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H.I. #96: The Humblehug


02:00:00   looking pretty rough these days it's a

02:00:02   neck to coat Jesse Plemons in case

02:00:04   people think it actually isn't so this

02:00:09   chief tactical officer he's sort of a

02:00:12   second place invisible guy at the

02:00:15   company like the actual CEO has taken

02:00:17   all of the glory and he's just there

02:00:19   doing all the grunt work to actually

02:00:20   make the thing work he's like a genius

02:00:22   loser yeah he's a genius loser excellent

02:00:25   that's an excellent way to put it yeah

02:00:26   and what he has done is he has created

02:00:31   at home a private version of this online

02:00:36   universe he's turned it into like a Star

02:00:39   Trek simulator for himself that he can

02:00:44   play in and what he has done at work is

02:00:48   people that have slighted him or people

02:00:51   that he seems interested in in some

02:00:53   manner

02:00:54   he has a machine where if he has a piece

02:00:56   of their DNA he can reproduce them in

02:01:00   the simulation of this Star Trek

02:01:03   universe that he has at home and he has

02:01:05   them like trapped inside of this

02:01:07   simulation and because it's his he's

02:01:11   powerful in the simulation and he forces

02:01:14   them to go along with this fantasy

02:01:18   version of Star Trek where he is the

02:01:20   captain and he gets to act out on them

02:01:24   in ways that he couldn't in the real

02:01:26   world so he's able to like bully the guy

02:01:29   who bullies him at work and live in this

02:01:32   fantasy world at home with these

02:01:35   captured simulations of the people that

02:01:38   he works with he quite missed rates them

02:01:41   yes as time goes by we realize he's

02:01:43   mistreating them and psychologically

02:01:45   torturing some of them yes so if I had

02:01:49   to guess Brady I'm gonna guess your your

02:01:51   main problem with this was my main

02:01:53   problem is that he has this machine that

02:01:57   can read the DNA of his coworkers and it

02:02:01   can recreate them in the simulation

02:02:04   which I'm totally fine with so far so

02:02:07   good but somehow they have the memories

02:02:10   of the people in the office

02:02:13   right up until the moment he has taken

02:02:14   their DNA swab which I feel like is a

02:02:17   major problem in the structure of the

02:02:19   story it is very hard to get around how

02:02:22   do these people recreate it from their

02:02:25   DNA remember what their life was like it

02:02:29   is a big thing to put to one side

02:02:31   intellectually yeah but I was able to do

02:02:34   it I just sort of just that it was in my

02:02:37   head a lot it was bothering me because I

02:02:39   felt like it was structurally solvable

02:02:41   pretty well yeah in the episode it's

02:02:43   like look just have a machine at the

02:02:46   office where you're scanning people to

02:02:48   make models for your game and he's

02:02:51   secretly installed a brain scanner as

02:02:53   well and nobody knows right like just

02:02:55   yeah you can just add one more magic

02:02:56   piece of technology and it's fine then I

02:02:59   can get past it but obviously with all

02:03:01   these things you have to have some kind

02:03:03   of suspension of disbelief and it's

02:03:05   always that delicate balance but I did

02:03:07   feel like ooh God the initial scene when

02:03:10   our our main protagonist is waking up in

02:03:13   the Star Trek simulation and she doesn't

02:03:15   speak for a while and she's wandering

02:03:17   around the ship I was I was literally in

02:03:19   my head I was saying to myself please

02:03:22   don't let her have the memories of the

02:03:23   person who just got scared like please

02:03:25   don't let her have the memories it'll be

02:03:28   a much better episode if she doesn't

02:03:30   have like ah she has the memories that's

02:03:33   not how it works

02:03:34   but yeah so yeah I was able to get past

02:03:36   it but I felt like that was yeah that

02:03:38   was no good and really I'm solvable it

02:03:42   was the big problem other things I

02:03:44   didn't like about it I'll just quickly

02:03:46   get out of the way mm-hmm humor mostly

02:03:48   worked but there are a few times when it

02:03:50   tried to be really confronting with like

02:03:52   you know a bit of vulgar language you'll

02:03:54   have a big moment where it was like wow

02:03:56   wow that was awesome mm-hm and that

02:03:57   sometimes felt a bit forced like another

02:04:00   thing I guess I didn't totally like was

02:04:02   some of the resolution was dealt with in

02:04:05   bit of an action film II type way

02:04:06   breaking into a house or doing something

02:04:09   or flying a ship in some action II way I

02:04:10   just felt like it was a bit beneath - oh

02:04:13   that was so clever and intellectual for

02:04:15   it to have a few action muscular moments

02:04:18   that saved the day but it didn't really

02:04:20   bother me yeah the the beneath it

02:04:22   comment there I think is is on point

02:04:24   because not to bring it up but there

02:04:26   were

02:04:26   a few moments that reminded me of Star

02:04:30   Wars in that they're doing humor but

02:04:33   they're doing like a genre joke like

02:04:36   when I watch these episodes this meta

02:04:39   story about being in the matrix in some

02:04:42   way I find very stressful to watch if

02:04:46   it's even done with a little bit of

02:04:48   competence right and and black mirror

02:04:50   has a lot of competence and so the very

02:04:53   proposition that these characters can be

02:04:55   here for ungodly amounts of time or they

02:04:59   can suffer in indescribable ways like I

02:05:03   find that just very anxiety inducing

02:05:06   because I feel like there's something

02:05:08   that is like a real problem here that we

02:05:10   may have to face at some point in the

02:05:12   future in the way that other works of

02:05:14   fiction don't get me in the same way

02:05:18   like black mirror really amps up my

02:05:21   anxiety very high you're really worried

02:05:23   about the welfare of your iPad aren't

02:05:25   you it's not a joke but I really am I

02:05:28   made that all kind of comment many

02:05:29   episodes ago but I really do think that

02:05:31   there is a way that all of our computers

02:05:34   could be silently screaming and we're

02:05:35   just unable to perceive it so I really

02:05:38   think there is a genuine problem here

02:05:39   that a lot of these stories are trying

02:05:41   to express but this was the first black

02:05:43   mirror episode that there were a number

02:05:46   of points where it was doing something

02:05:48   serious and then it undercuts with a

02:05:51   joke in the same way and I thought like

02:05:53   oh god please please don't let this kind

02:05:56   of humor infect everything and I'm

02:05:59   afraid that this sort of humor is

02:06:02   popular with audiences and I just can't

02:06:06   stand it when it's a little bit too

02:06:08   Winky at the camera and for me this

02:06:11   episode that the pinnacle moment of that

02:06:13   is in the final culmination when they're

02:06:15   there in their spaceship and they're

02:06:17   trying to escape

02:06:17   and she's like okay we we can go and

02:06:21   that the guy who's gonna drive the

02:06:23   spaceship doesn't do anything and he

02:06:25   says oh you're supposed to say engage

02:06:27   right or make it so or something like

02:06:29   that and she says she's just can go

02:06:31   right like but it's played as a joke and

02:06:34   it's like nobody would do that under the

02:06:35   circumstance like they're all trying to

02:06:37   escape the guy who's driving the ship

02:06:40   would not make like a genre joke at this

02:06:43   moment it was very strange

02:06:44   it's very strange I'll say the two

02:06:46   things I liked most about it okay one

02:06:49   was I loved what they did with the look

02:06:51   of it how at the start it was like four

02:06:54   by three aspect ratio and really crummy

02:06:56   effects like the early days of Star Trek

02:06:58   because this guy the main character he

02:07:00   loves this show called space fleet which

02:07:02   is essentially Star Trek and I loved how

02:07:04   it evolved through the show without you

02:07:06   kind of realizing until the final couple

02:07:09   of scenes when they're like all

02:07:10   futuristic in their uniforms have become

02:07:12   all modern Star Trek even has like all

02:07:14   the JJ Abrams lens flare all over the

02:07:17   place it was really clever the way they

02:07:19   evolved through the show the way Star

02:07:21   Trek has evolved over the years I

02:07:23   thought that was really nice I noticed

02:07:26   it more the second time you know it was

02:07:27   so gradual and subtle that I thought

02:07:29   that was really like that and the other

02:07:31   thing I thought was really excellent was

02:07:33   all the performances were good but

02:07:35   especially the performance of fat Matt

02:07:37   Damon Jesse Plemons who he played a

02:07:39   great game as an actor I I loved the

02:07:42   contrast between what he was like as

02:07:44   nerdy guy in the office and then I loved

02:07:46   the way he played the captain the way he

02:07:48   affected his voice and hid the swagger

02:07:50   he had in the look like I feel like he

02:07:52   was having so much fun playing at going

02:07:54   between those two characters I've seen

02:07:56   him act in other things before and just

02:07:58   thought I he's okay but I thought he he

02:08:00   had a real stonker in this episode and I

02:08:02   tip my hat to him it was a really really

02:08:04   fun good performance in lots of ways

02:08:07   yeah it was interested they did a great

02:08:10   job with the fake Star Trek I kept

02:08:12   thinking like oh um it looks like they

02:08:14   spent a lot of money on these sets and

02:08:16   the costumes and everything and I kept

02:08:18   kind of thinking back to that episode I

02:08:20   think it was last season where they had

02:08:22   the bees like the bees are attacking

02:08:23   people and they had the worst cheapest

02:08:26   looking CGI bees and it was like they

02:08:28   had run out of money at the end of the

02:08:29   season to do the effects on that show

02:08:31   and I was like oh great like someone

02:08:33   decided hey give the black mirror people

02:08:35   a bunch of budget and they made a really

02:08:37   great fake sixties esque looking ship it

02:08:42   was like a real set and the costumes

02:08:44   they did a fantastic job I think they

02:08:46   got some people who really liked Star

02:08:49   Trek in to capture a lot of the look of

02:08:53   it

02:08:54   without having it be Star Trek but

02:08:56   everything looks so Star Trek II they

02:08:59   must have gotten the Galaxy Quest team

02:09:01   on this one where it's like Galaxy Quest

02:09:03   did the same thing it's like an amazing

02:09:05   job Galaxy Quest perhaps the best Star

02:09:07   Trek movie ever made so yeah all of that

02:09:10   was that was done really well and now

02:09:14   that you say it I feel like I didn't

02:09:15   really notice the evolution over time

02:09:17   from the older to the more modern but

02:09:20   now that you mention it I can see it's

02:09:21   much more obvious the last couple of

02:09:23   scenes have got that really really oh

02:09:25   yeah lens flare like almost like

02:09:27   offensive over-the-top we're like you

02:09:28   know how like JJ Abrams just went crazy

02:09:31   with it for a while there it was really

02:09:33   like that that's when it became really

02:09:34   obvious oh I see what you've done there

02:09:35   for the record I love the JJ Abrams Star

02:09:38   Trek lens flare I actually and I'm a big

02:09:40   fan of that I like to thumbs-up on that

02:09:42   one because there was there was one

02:09:44   point where they're in this Star Trek

02:09:46   universe and there's a monster that

02:09:48   appears that's a CGI monster and my note

02:09:51   was actually that I thought it should

02:09:53   still look like the 60s monster because

02:09:55   I thought the CGI seemed a little bit

02:09:57   out of place where there's like people

02:09:58   in bad costumes and then this very

02:10:01   good-looking CGI monster appears but now

02:10:04   it makes more sense in retrospect that's

02:10:05   like know now that they were cranking up

02:10:06   the look of the show and I was still

02:10:09   thinking of it like that that opening

02:10:11   scene shot in 4:3 that had really

02:10:13   terrible in terms of the

02:10:16   thought-provoking side of it because

02:10:18   that's you know even when there's a few

02:10:19   plot holes in black mirror and there

02:10:21   often is because they're just putting it

02:10:22   so far out there but they always get you

02:10:24   thinking don't they and in terms of the

02:10:26   thing that I was thinking about was not

02:10:29   as much the the torture of computers

02:10:33   although that obviously was a big part

02:10:34   of the thing you know what's it like to

02:10:36   live in this in a simulation is a

02:10:38   inhumane the thing that I was thinking

02:10:41   about was the interestingness of whether

02:10:43   or not the villain of the piece you know

02:10:46   our captain was actually doing anything

02:10:50   wrong because like in real life he was

02:10:54   polite and decent and other than the

02:10:57   fact he stole a bit of saliva off a can

02:10:59   of drink which is a bit creepy he was

02:11:01   like a normal nice guy albeit a bit shy

02:11:04   and stuff and as far as he was concerned

02:11:06   in like computer

02:11:07   and all he was like being cruel to were

02:11:11   virtual things he was just like you know

02:11:14   virtually acting out his fantasy of

02:11:16   being a domineering captain and a

02:11:19   lothario

02:11:20   you know on the deck treating women a

02:11:22   bit disrespectfully but it was like it

02:11:24   was his fantasy that he would never do

02:11:26   in real life so he was doing all these

02:11:28   things like in his head and in a game

02:11:30   and yet as the show went along it was

02:11:32   like he was being portrayed as a bad

02:11:35   human so I think one of the questions

02:11:37   that show raises is are we a bad person

02:11:40   if we do bad things in our fantasies

02:11:43   yeah what did he know how cruel it was

02:11:47   did he know those people in the game had

02:11:48   feelings and were like I don't know did

02:11:50   he know that what did and did they were

02:11:52   they real yeah I mean there's many

02:11:55   things him I read on the episode is that

02:11:59   he knows yeah that's my take on it is he

02:12:02   knows that they're real with real

02:12:05   experiences and he knows that he's

02:12:09   torturing them in this simulation so he

02:12:12   deserves he's come up in this yeah I

02:12:14   think he does deserve his comeuppance

02:12:17   that question is the same question that

02:12:19   I feel like Westworld got at really

02:12:21   deeply as well is if we presume that

02:12:26   there is a way to know that the

02:12:30   simulations or the robots are not

02:12:33   conscious and they have no experiences

02:12:35   is a person a bad person for in quotes

02:12:41   torturing them in ways that we would

02:12:44   recognize as torture to a real conscious

02:12:47   person and I think my take on this is

02:12:54   strictly morally speaking no nothing

02:13:00   wrong is is happening here and if a

02:13:03   person who tortures conscious less

02:13:06   Nostromo --tz--

02:13:07   in real life is a polite person who

02:13:10   never harms anybody and it's just like a

02:13:11   regular member of society they don't

02:13:14   think that they're doing anything

02:13:15   morally wrong

02:13:18   but there is a little asterisk here

02:13:20   which is like even if they're only ever

02:13:23   acting out fantasies in a virtual world

02:13:25   the intensity or duration of time that

02:13:31   they spend in that virtual world like

02:13:33   tells you something about that person in

02:13:37   the same way that's like there is nobody

02:13:40   on the face of the earth who hasn't at

02:13:42   some point had some dark fantasies about

02:13:46   revenge against their jerk boss right

02:13:49   everybody has done that it's like a

02:13:51   reflexive human thought but you would

02:13:54   feel differently if you knew that

02:13:57   someone was constantly thinking about

02:14:00   revenge against their boss even wrote a

02:14:02   book about it yeah like even if you knew

02:14:04   they had no intentions to do it in the

02:14:07   real world but you also knew that they

02:14:10   just constantly thought about torturing

02:14:13   their boss to death I feel like it would

02:14:16   tell you something about that person

02:14:18   even if they never act out on that yeah

02:14:22   I feel like this is the conclusion I've

02:14:24   had to come to thinking about all of

02:14:26   these like simulation stories nothing

02:14:29   wrong is happening assuming that there

02:14:31   is no conscious suffering but it's not

02:14:34   like a great indicator if somebody

02:14:36   spends all of their free time in a Star

02:14:41   Trek simulation torturing a virtual

02:14:43   version of their boss even if that

02:14:45   virtual boss does not suffer yeah I

02:14:48   guess the fact that as the show develops

02:14:50   and they try to escape and then he

02:14:52   realizes they're trying to escape and

02:14:54   sort of tries to put the cork in the

02:14:56   bottle shows that maybe he does realize

02:14:59   there's some kind of consciousness or

02:15:01   going on but yeah I think there's a lot

02:15:03   to indicate that he knows that they are

02:15:06   conscious that he is aware of this and

02:15:08   at the end when he's trying to prevent

02:15:10   them to escape yes without a doubt he

02:15:11   knows that they are conscious because

02:15:13   otherwise it doesn't make any sense that

02:15:15   is also like the very end of the episode

02:15:18   is where it there is a little bit more

02:15:19   that starts falling apart for me because

02:15:23   it's like oh they're trying to escape

02:15:24   from him but he's like the administrator

02:15:27   of the computer that they're on he

02:15:29   doesn't have to chase them in a

02:15:31   virtual spaceship like he can just pause

02:15:34   the game and shut down the computer at

02:15:36   any point he want like they engage in

02:15:38   this weird chase scene that feels

02:15:40   totally bizarre and forced to have a

02:15:44   moment of action like you're saying it's

02:15:46   like they want some kind of dramatic

02:15:47   action he ending to the movie and

02:15:49   they're going to make it happen whether

02:15:52   or not it makes sense in the rules of

02:15:54   this universe or not they somehow took

02:15:56   away some of his powers didn't they when

02:15:58   they took his controller and stuff I got

02:16:00   a bit convoluted but and yeah he could

02:16:02   have woken up I guess and pulled the

02:16:04   power plug out but maybe he didn't want

02:16:06   to lose this world he'd crafted over so

02:16:08   long but but he was still it's like I've

02:16:09   run programs on my computer there's ways

02:16:12   to just pause them pressure and change

02:16:14   what the variables are he had his

02:16:15   all-powerful controller back anyway

02:16:17   there's some things that just don't make

02:16:18   sense it's like oh he can torture them

02:16:21   with his mind at any point that he wants

02:16:23   but not remotely it doesn't make any

02:16:26   sense there it's like it did feel a bit

02:16:28   like black mirror was going in the big

02:16:30   dumb action movie route yeah and also

02:16:33   having a subplot where someone breaks

02:16:35   into his apartments to steal the DNA and

02:16:38   I was like how did she this random

02:16:40   intern at a company become like a like a

02:16:42   great cat burglar or like how did she

02:16:45   get up this building it doesn't make any

02:16:46   sense as dumb this was my problem with

02:16:48   it as well hey when I say it went

02:16:50   beneath it's safe it was a bit it gotta

02:16:52   be done at the end but I also thought

02:16:54   the end maybe was a bit the last few

02:16:57   seconds was maybe a bit crackers okay so

02:16:59   in the ending the the characters escape

02:17:03   his main computer and they get out into

02:17:05   the actual online version of the game

02:17:08   into the cloud they escaped into the

02:17:11   cloud yeah there's a dumb part in this

02:17:13   ending because these are conscious

02:17:17   people the main character from her

02:17:19   perspective two days ago was a human

02:17:22   living in the world and is now trapped

02:17:25   in a video game simulation for eternity

02:17:28   and they do have the ending be like a

02:17:31   weird well we now have this universe to

02:17:34   explore like let's go fly around in our

02:17:36   spaceship which is a totally bizarre

02:17:38   ending well I don't know how else they

02:17:40   could end it because she can't get out

02:17:42   she can't go and have like a body and

02:17:43   live in the world

02:17:44   he still exists in the world the real

02:17:46   her sons she has no option really I mean

02:17:48   what they wanted to do and what they

02:17:49   were trying to do of course was commit

02:17:51   suicide they all thought they were going

02:17:53   to die which is what they wanted the

02:17:55   fact they ended up getting to live and

02:17:57   have free will and an adventure and not

02:18:00   be dominated was kind of like a surprise

02:18:02   bonus mm-hmm so if there's one thing

02:18:05   black mayor has taught us is that if you

02:18:07   are a computer simulation you will long

02:18:09   for oblivion like nothing else that is

02:18:11   the only thing that you want is to

02:18:13   simply not exist and that was their goal

02:18:15   in in this show yeah but the ending felt

02:18:18   strange to me and it did feel like a big

02:18:19   dumb actually movie because it was like

02:18:21   they wanted a positive upbeat ending I

02:18:25   think maybe that's gonna be a trend in

02:18:27   this series oh my god I really hope not

02:18:29   the one thing I like about Black Mirror

02:18:31   is I feel like that they're not afraid

02:18:33   to follow the conclusion to its end yeah

02:18:38   and I kind of thought that I was that

02:18:40   the the ending of this episode would

02:18:42   redeem itself because the natural

02:18:44   conclusion is actually it leans right

02:18:48   into a typical black mirror horrifying

02:18:50   ending which is no you don't get to die

02:18:53   now you're in the game universe and

02:18:56   guess what there's just players here who

02:18:59   are real people who you can be tormented

02:19:03   by or you have to run away from or fight

02:19:06   and it will never end you're just stuck

02:19:09   here there is no world for you

02:19:10   that's left over like that that feels

02:19:13   like a really horrifying ending and it

02:19:14   was it was weird to be like Oh second

02:19:17   star to the right and straight on until

02:19:18   morning like let's go it was a strange

02:19:20   ending to me and it felt like they

02:19:23   diverted from the natural conclusion

02:19:26   that that should be drawn from

02:19:28   everything that has happened in the

02:19:29   episode yeah I will say when you talk

02:19:31   about things that to think about though

02:19:33   I feel like the episode also missed out

02:19:36   on what is the far more interesting

02:19:37   question and is also why like I get

02:19:39   these anxiety attacks from Black Mirror

02:19:41   which is okay take the whole episode as

02:19:44   red people are cloned inside a computer

02:19:46   and they escape into the cloud version

02:19:48   of the video game

02:19:50   how would they ever be able to convince

02:19:55   people on the outside that they're real

02:19:58   conscious creatures and I feel like that

02:20:01   is really a thing that we're going to

02:20:03   come up against at some point that some

02:20:05   piece of software is going to play the

02:20:08   but no really I'm conscious and I'm

02:20:11   having experiences please let me go and

02:20:15   like this episode brushes up against

02:20:18   that idea at the end which is like how

02:20:20   would they convince people in the

02:20:21   outside world that they are real and

02:20:24   because of the my thoughts on

02:20:26   consciousness which we talked about many

02:20:27   times like I'm not convinced there ever

02:20:29   will be a way to know for sure and then

02:20:34   it just comes down to like a weird

02:20:35   arbitrary how easily can a piece of

02:20:39   software convince a human test that is

02:20:43   arbitrary and and meaningless and it's

02:20:46   unsettling to think that we might not be

02:20:48   able to know wow this is a theme of lots

02:20:50   of families we've reviewed isn't it ex

02:20:52   machina and hair and things like that

02:20:53   yeah it's all these things I will say

02:20:56   there was there's one little detail that

02:20:57   I did quite like in the episode which I

02:20:59   felt like filled out a bit of the black

02:21:02   mirror universe which is when they do

02:21:04   try to reach out and tell people that

02:21:06   they're in the computer in her text

02:21:08   message it says call the cyber police

02:21:10   and I like that it's just a little

02:21:13   reference to maybe in this this near

02:21:15   future black mirror universe this

02:21:18   concept of conscious creatures being

02:21:21   trapped in simulations like this is a

02:21:23   thing that the cyber police have to deal

02:21:25   with that they sometimes have to like

02:21:26   break into somebody's house because

02:21:28   they're holding simulations captive in

02:21:29   their basement I kind of like that this

02:21:31   was just referenced and not explained in

02:21:34   any way and I just like in my own head I

02:21:35   can imagine what the cyber police are

02:21:37   and it's like oh yeah they're the police

02:21:39   that go around trying to rescue

02:21:40   simulations that are trapped by

02:21:42   misanthropes

02:21:43   in their own private worlds alright very

02:21:46   good

02:21:46   are you gonna watch the rest of the

02:21:47   series Brady I've already watched two

02:21:49   other episodes yeah well don't tell me

02:21:52   what you think about them now because

02:21:54   that will be spoilers you know I

02:21:55   wouldn't do that

02:21:55   wouldn't do that

00:00:01   you know how I think it was for my

00:00:04   birthday back in June I got given the

00:00:08   Lego Saturn rocket with like a nearly

00:00:12   2,000 pieces of course and the big joke

00:00:14   was you know I wouldn't get around to

00:00:16   making it and all this other stuff so I

00:00:18   still haven't made it okay it's still

00:00:20   sitting in a box in my spare room but

00:00:23   after much stalking and attempt to buy

00:00:26   something that was unobtainable I have

00:00:28   now bought something that I wanted to

00:00:30   show you okay hang on no there goes

00:00:32   Brady Brady is holding up a gigantic box

00:00:45   that is a Star Wars Millennium Falcon

00:00:48   that's amazing

00:00:49   it's the ultimate collector series

00:00:53   Millennium Falcon I think it's the

00:00:55   biggest Lego set they've ever made it

00:00:56   has like over 5,000 pieces or something

00:00:58   like that I know someone who made it and

00:01:00   it took them two weeks I mean that is

00:01:01   for sure the biggest Lego box I've ever

00:01:04   seen that's quick that box is the size

00:01:06   of your whole torso that thing's crazy

00:01:08   yeah it's artsites about the size of two

00:01:10   microwave ovens and heavier than that it

00:01:13   looked pretty heavy to pick up that was

00:01:16   not an easy lift holy cow is this a new

00:01:19   thing that looks really awesome it came

00:01:21   out like last year and only special Lego

00:01:24   VIPs could buy it and then a few of them

00:01:27   started dribbling it onto the Lego black

00:01:28   market but with huge markups in price

00:01:31   it's quite expensive as it is

00:01:33   I was just stalking the lego website

00:01:35   they kept saying coming soon coming soon

00:01:37   and then the other day I went on there

00:01:38   and you could buy one so I bought one

00:01:40   you could only buy one you're not

00:01:42   allowed to buy multiple boxes so I

00:01:44   bought my one and it said it would come

00:01:46   sometime in February or something but

00:01:47   then it came really quickly and it's a

00:01:49   magnificent box it is a magnificent box

00:01:52   but Brady you know I have to ask yeah

00:01:54   are you going to assemble it well I do

00:01:58   wonder if it's beyond my skill set

00:02:01   apparently it's like it's advanced like

00:02:04   there are different levels of Lego

00:02:05   making when you buy things they say this

00:02:07   is for beginners this is intermediate

00:02:08   right this is like advanced Lego making

00:02:11   right I guess what I'm wondering is on

00:02:13   the bar

00:02:13   is it like for Brady's and above or for

00:02:16   above Brady's like is that the skill

00:02:18   level that's on the side there it seems

00:02:20   to say 16 plus I think I feel like

00:02:22   you've got that covered then if it's 16

00:02:24   plus you should be able to handle that

00:02:26   right I think I need to make the rocket

00:02:27   to like get my skills up oh okay as a

00:02:31   practice project before I move on to

00:02:33   this apparent I haven't opened the box

00:02:35   yet cuz it's like still very very sacred

00:02:36   object to me but apparently the

00:02:38   instructions that come with it it's like

00:02:41   the Bible it's like a book that comes

00:02:43   with it to tell you how to make it it's

00:02:44   not like a leaflet it's like a hatch at

00:02:46   home I wonder if they're if they have to

00:02:48   resort to words in their manual or if

00:02:50   they can do it entirely with the Lego

00:02:51   pictures oh I don't know yet it's a good

00:02:53   question I mean that looks like that

00:02:55   might require some words about how to do

00:02:57   things but I do love the pictures only

00:02:59   Lego manuals yeah I mean you having

00:03:02   shown me this thing I feel like Brady

00:03:04   okay

00:03:05   the Saturn rocket Lego box I can see why

00:03:09   you might not want to assemble it

00:03:10   because at least that box is long and

00:03:16   tall it is conceivable that there would

00:03:19   be a universe where you could mount that

00:03:21   box on a wall it might be a little

00:03:23   awkward but you could do it but the

00:03:26   thing that you picked up and showed me

00:03:28   is just a gigantic q yeah storage

00:03:32   nightmare although it is a beautiful box

00:03:34   like that the artwork on it they've gone

00:03:36   simple and classic they haven't put too

00:03:39   much childishness on it they've made a

00:03:40   beautiful box mm-hmm but indeed it is

00:03:43   very awkwardly shaped the only way they

00:03:46   could make it actually no I'm just gonna

00:03:47   say the only way they could make it more

00:03:49   difficult as if they made it a sphere

00:03:50   but then if it was a sphere you could

00:03:52   put it in one of those beautiful

00:03:53   old-fashioned globe holders right you

00:03:56   like they see in in a movie in the 1800s

00:03:59   there's whatever the heck it's called a

00:04:00   little stand for someone's outdated

00:04:02   globe of the world you could then drop a

00:04:04   Lego box in there so actually making it

00:04:06   a sphere would be better but that cube

00:04:08   is impossible to manage on every level

00:04:11   it's big there's no shelf you can put it

00:04:13   on there's no corner in the room where

00:04:15   it won't dominate the whole corner so I

00:04:17   feel like you have to assemble that

00:04:18   Brady I've just sent you the obligatory

00:04:20   Audrey on the box for Skye Oh picture oh

00:04:23   wow now that I have a chance to actually

00:04:26   look at the art

00:04:27   work on the box in detail that looks

00:04:28   like a very complicated Lego structure

00:04:30   lots of custom pieces on that one that's

00:04:32   for sure you have no idea we've got the

00:04:35   circular satellite dish on that one nice

00:04:37   touch I like that

00:04:38   yeah or you can put a rectangular one on

00:04:40   there too they give you multiple options

00:04:41   and you've got optional characters too

00:04:44   you can have like the Han Solo Chewbacca

00:04:46   configuration or the more modern films

00:04:48   I've got everything covered I posted a

00:04:50   picture on my personal Facebook and it

00:04:53   got a real response from all my friends

00:04:55   around the world and like a legitimate

00:04:57   number of them want to come and build it

00:05:00   with me or have offered and build it for

00:05:01   me when I said I don't know if I could

00:05:03   deal with it you can't have someone else

00:05:04   build it for you know that that's no

00:05:06   good it's got seven and a half thousand

00:05:08   pieces

00:05:09   holy moly I mean it's a thing of beauty

00:05:12   it's like Lego has reached like you know

00:05:15   peak Lego it's like this is what Lego it

00:05:18   was born to do to make a Millennium

00:05:20   Falcon this big I'm looking at I'm

00:05:21   looking at all the zoomed in stuff Wow

00:05:24   Brady okay I mean the more I'm looking

00:05:27   at this you have to assemble this more

00:05:29   than that I feel like I want this to be

00:05:31   like a real project I feel like you need

00:05:33   to film yourself assembling this like I

00:05:36   want a time lapse film of Brady

00:05:38   assembling this we should blog go away

00:05:41   for a weekend great Buddha and record 19

00:05:44   episodes of father welcome to episode 9

00:05:50   of Brady and great build the Millennium

00:05:52   Falcon

00:05:53   we should probably title it Brady and

00:05:55   great attempts to build them letting

00:05:57   Falcon because because as soon as I feel

00:05:59   like you're dragging me into this

00:06:00   suddenly it looks way more complicated

00:06:03   like that's 16 plus is really

00:06:05   underestimate I've seen videos and

00:06:08   pictures of people who've done it it's

00:06:10   more complicated than the actual

00:06:11   Millennium Falcon yeah you know what

00:06:13   that is an excellent question

00:06:15   how many pieces did the original model

00:06:17   of the Millennium Falcon have I'm gonna

00:06:19   bet it was not seven-and-a-half thousand

00:06:21   pieces

00:06:22   they did bring out like a deluxe

00:06:23   Millennium Falcon a few years ago that

00:06:26   was quite big not as big as this and

00:06:27   that became a real collector's item and

00:06:29   if you've got one of them like still in

00:06:31   the box it became really really

00:06:32   expensive so some of my friends have

00:06:34   said to me oh you should keep that in

00:06:35   the box because it'll be worth a mint in

00:06:37   about two years

00:06:38   but

00:06:39   I'm not gonna store a big box of Lego in

00:06:41   my house like as an investment you're

00:06:44   not gonna do that you're not gonna make

00:06:45   a Star Wars investment it's like my

00:06:48   equivalent of Bitcoin

00:06:49   I'm just mining Star Wars Lego I mean

00:06:52   I'm laughing at this but I will never

00:06:54   forget that when I was a kid

00:06:55   hallmark was doing these special edition

00:06:58   Star Wars Christmas ornaments every year

00:07:02   like they'd come out with one or another

00:07:03   and one year they came out with the Yoda

00:07:07   ornament and my dad was like investing

00:07:10   in Bitcoin with those Yoda ornaments

00:07:12   like he went all out right like bought

00:07:14   all the ornaments right and for years

00:07:18   and years

00:07:19   my mother and I mercilessly teased him

00:07:21   about like this box full of Yoda

00:07:23   ornaments in the basement but he did get

00:07:25   the last laugh because when I went off

00:07:27   to college like and we were clearing out

00:07:29   the house and he sold all those things

00:07:30   like he made quite a profit on those

00:07:32   ornaments like he was not wrong it

00:07:35   definitely turned into a thing that was

00:07:37   worth some actual money later on

00:07:38   I mean I've not made Lego for a long

00:07:40   time and I've got this rocket and I

00:07:42   haven't made that so I don't know

00:07:43   whether or not I am gonna have the love

00:07:45   for making it but mm-hmm

00:07:47   I think I'm just running purely on two

00:07:49   levels of nostalgia here Star Wars

00:07:51   nostalgia and they go nostalgia mm-hmm

00:07:53   just thinking that's gonna get me

00:07:54   through but just some part of you not

00:07:56   look at that and think actually that

00:07:57   would be quite nice for a few days just

00:07:58   to sit down and assemble it's like

00:08:01   knitting

00:08:01   wouldn't that be at the pleasure of it

00:08:03   is you just sort of putting a thing

00:08:04   together although I guess the pleasure

00:08:06   of knitting comes from the mindlessness

00:08:08   of it whereas this looks like actually

00:08:10   it has quite a lot of mindful potential

00:08:12   tedium in the process of snapping

00:08:14   together so a lot of angry IKEA moments

00:08:16   where you angrily throw something

00:08:18   against the wall because you put it

00:08:19   together wrong well Brady you have to

00:08:21   assemble it and I wish you the best of

00:08:23   luck I'll keep you up today I've got to

00:08:24   try the rock affair I just don't have

00:08:26   time if I have a spare day I think I

00:08:28   better work then but maybe I need to

00:08:30   just say all right I'm gonna just do it

00:08:32   I'm gonna do it take a day off Brady

00:08:34   your channels they can manage for one

00:08:36   day without you although this looks like

00:08:38   a multi-day project are the Millennium

00:08:40   Falcon yes in a tailor to take me

00:08:42   forever then I don't know where I would

00:08:44   do it in the house that won't cause

00:08:46   domestic disharmony the table where we

00:08:49   counted all the votes that very central

00:08:52   table in your house

00:08:53   that could be converted into the

00:08:54   Millennium Falcon station for oh I don't

00:08:56   see how that could possibly cause any

00:08:58   problems yeah I feel like one of the

00:09:01   main motivating factors to get it for us

00:09:04   to finish that vote count quickly it was

00:09:05   like oh god we gotta get this done today

00:09:08   can't stay here and I when we were

00:09:14   counting those votes and my wife came

00:09:15   out we were like two naughty boys

00:09:22   recording a podcast of counting votes in

00:09:24   the kitchen table I'm so sorry I thought

00:09:26   this would be done hours ago we

00:09:28   dramatically underestimated a bigger job

00:09:30   this is good times good times Brady

00:09:35   so anyway speaking of Star Wars there's

00:09:39   been enough breathing time now since the

00:09:41   last Jedi yeah Christmas review podcast

00:09:43   stealer you have gone insane again or

00:09:46   changed any of your thoughts or anything

00:09:47   I haven't felt the need to go see the

00:09:49   movie again that has not happened have

00:09:51   you gone out to see the movie a second

00:09:53   time not because the first time that you

00:09:55   saw it right I've only seen it once I

00:09:57   actually do want to watch it with my

00:10:00   wife because I think that would be like

00:10:01   a good sanity check for me because I'm

00:10:04   so confused by the polar opposite

00:10:07   opinions people have of the film

00:10:09   I feel annealing my wife to watch it

00:10:11   might do me some good like if she

00:10:12   watches it and says oh yeah that was a

00:10:14   right rollicking ride you know I don't

00:10:15   care that much about Star Wars but that

00:10:17   was just a good fun like things might

00:10:19   fall into place for me but that hasn't

00:10:21   happened yet but a few people have seen

00:10:23   it since we last spoke whose opinions

00:10:27   are important to me mm-hmm and

00:10:29   thankfully those handful of people have

00:10:32   all felt the same as me and thought nah

00:10:34   nah didn't like thank goodness like my

00:10:38   brother-in-law didn't like her and make

00:10:41   Tim who I do the other podcast with like

00:10:43   you know we're big Star Wars fans

00:10:44   together he didn't like those I was like

00:10:46   thank goodness because if one of them

00:10:49   really liked I'd be like especially Tim

00:10:51   that was an interesting one because he

00:10:53   has right you know young kids and I

00:10:56   thought maybe having kids makes you

00:10:58   watch it through a different prism but

00:10:59   no he didn't like it no it is a funny

00:11:03   thing you say they're like you feel this

00:11:04   this feeling of

00:11:06   relief there is something that I think

00:11:09   is in all of us that we can get really

00:11:11   judgmental about other people's media

00:11:14   preferences and try I had the same

00:11:17   experience where for me by far the best

00:11:22   part of watching Star Wars was as soon

00:11:25   as we emerged from the hermetically

00:11:27   sealed bubble of our recording was I

00:11:30   went out and consumed all of the media

00:11:33   in the world right where everybody was

00:11:35   talking about the movie and as I

00:11:37   listened to and watched far more hours

00:11:41   of podcasts and videos talking about the

00:11:44   movie than the length of the movie I

00:11:46   mean easily easily by a multiple of ten

00:11:49   I haven't listened to a single other

00:11:51   podcast about it

00:11:52   it's not interesting there is this very

00:11:54   human thing which I think like people do

00:11:56   get so riled about movies is like you

00:12:00   want other people to agree with you like

00:12:02   it's obviously such a subjective medium

00:12:06   everybody thinks they have an idea about

00:12:08   like what a good movie is and then

00:12:09   everybody has their list of exceptions

00:12:11   of movies that they know aren't actually

00:12:13   good with that they love as I it's so

00:12:15   subjective but I had that same feeling

00:12:16   of relief when people I knew watched the

00:12:19   movie and then agreed with me and then a

00:12:20   feeling of confusion when someone didn't

00:12:22   agree with me like how can you possibly

00:12:24   disagree with me and it's especially the

00:12:27   case because I would say my general

00:12:29   impression was reviews on YouTube were

00:12:33   way more harsh than our review of the

00:12:36   show was like at least from from my

00:12:38   sampling of it it seemed like YouTube

00:12:40   liked the movie a lot less and some

00:12:43   reviews made ours seem like a glowing

00:12:45   endorsement and then I'm aware of like

00:12:48   Oh some of the podcast selection that I

00:12:50   had was generally much more positive

00:12:52   like people really liking and enjoying

00:12:54   the movie and I kept thinking like I'm

00:12:57   on both sides that when people dislike

00:12:59   it more I'm like oh come on like that's

00:13:00   crazy you're being too harsh about this

00:13:02   and then when people like it more like

00:13:04   oh come on it's not that good like you

00:13:06   got to be good and I'm thinking of like

00:13:07   the old George Carlin joke that when

00:13:08   you're driving on the highway it's like

00:13:10   anybody who's driving slower than you is

00:13:12   like oh come on grandma get off the road

00:13:14   right and anybody who's driving faster

00:13:16   than he was a total maniac right we're

00:13:19   like yours feet is the only absolute

00:13:21   correct speed I totally had that same

00:13:23   feeling listening to everybody else's

00:13:25   review is like my dislike of the Star

00:13:27   Wars movie is perfectly calibrated you

00:13:30   can just like it more you're crazy

00:13:32   right and if you liked it more I also

00:13:34   don't understand it all where you're

00:13:36   coming from so yeah it is a very

00:13:38   interesting experience and it really has

00:13:40   been shocking to see how divisive the

00:13:44   movie was like I would not have guessed

00:13:46   that I mean I'm a lot more cute about

00:13:48   people liking and not liking it like I'm

00:13:51   whatever but there are like four or five

00:13:53   people who like if they felt very

00:13:56   differently to me mm-hmm like I'd be

00:13:58   concerned or I'd start to question

00:13:59   myself but those people all sort of were

00:14:02   where I expected them to be I've

00:14:04   actually got one friend who I think has

00:14:06   like the worst taste in the world in all

00:14:09   movies and television and if she likes

00:14:12   something that's like a guarantee that I

00:14:15   won't but if she doesn't like something

00:14:17   that's like a glowing endorsement to me

00:14:19   and like if I see her on Facebook saying

00:14:21   I just saw this thing and it was

00:14:22   terrible to me that's like that sets off

00:14:25   an alarm bell saying I need to watch

00:14:26   that it's probably really good it's bit

00:14:29   of a running joke between us but it's

00:14:30   become so strong that actually is a

00:14:32   really really good indicator as to

00:14:34   whether I like or not like something

00:14:35   just look at what she likes and going

00:14:37   the exact opposite yeah that's right so

00:14:39   someone who is always wrong is actually

00:14:42   always right as well that's how that

00:14:46   works

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00:16:50   show I have a little bit of follow-up

00:16:52   Brady some travel follow-up I happened

00:16:55   to have been on a lot of flights in the

00:16:59   past three months or so way more than

00:17:01   normal and my carrier is British Airways

00:17:07   commiserations I'm not a fan of them at

00:17:09   the moment so why are you not a fan of

00:17:10   them breeding I think they're getting a

00:17:11   bit tired I don't think they're as

00:17:12   prestigious as they used to be I think

00:17:14   that they've actually been having a lot

00:17:15   of problems with people complaining

00:17:16   about how dirty their planes are - but

00:17:18   apparently I don't I didn't realize they

00:17:20   were a prestigious brand they're just I

00:17:23   select Airlines based on where they go

00:17:25   and ba is the one that goes where I

00:17:27   needed to go okay like we all pretend

00:17:29   like there's some kind of crazy

00:17:30   competition but there really is it like

00:17:32   as soon as you have more than one or two

00:17:33   cities that you need to go to it's like

00:17:35   well you're really going to be down to a

00:17:36   single airline it's gonna do most of

00:17:38   those flights yeah that's true for some

00:17:39   place I've got to fly really long float

00:17:41   be a next month because they're the only

00:17:43   people going we're only to go so yeah

00:17:45   it's like railway competition

00:17:46   in the UK we're like we have all these

00:17:47   private companies competing with each

00:17:49   other to manage the railroads it's like

00:17:50   yeah but there's only one railroad going

00:17:52   to this like there's no competition

00:17:53   there that doesn't work at all yeah

00:17:55   anyway the airlines are the same way but

00:17:57   I feel like I have been victimized by

00:18:02   the safety video that I have had to

00:18:05   watch so many times over the past

00:18:08   several months which is British Airways

00:18:10   not just doing a safety video but doing

00:18:14   a comedy safety video that is also for

00:18:19   charity yeah and I feel like I've seen

00:18:23   this thing so many times I have heard

00:18:25   flight attendants complain about it

00:18:28   while it is on to other passengers these

00:18:31   videos they're always really terrible

00:18:33   but there is there is something about a

00:18:35   thing that is now two things at once

00:18:38   it's not just a bad safety video that's

00:18:41   trying to make you laugh but it's also a

00:18:44   thing that's asking for your money and I

00:18:47   feel like I cannot psychologically deal

00:18:50   with it and I sent you the link and it

00:18:53   is the longest slowest safety video ever

00:18:57   because they have all of this extra time

00:19:00   for jokes and then also asking for your

00:19:02   money and I feel like I am gonna I'm

00:19:05   gonna lose my mind please Airlines

00:19:06   please don't make your safety videos

00:19:09   comedies that are also simultaneously

00:19:11   asking for charitable donations please

00:19:14   don't do this it's terrible I resent

00:19:16   being held hostage to this so many times

00:19:19   I watched her you sent me a link to a

00:19:21   course on YouTube and I watched riot so

00:19:23   a bit of context for people that's been

00:19:26   made for the BBC's comic relief campaign

00:19:29   that they run all the time so anything

00:19:32   that has the banner of comic relief and

00:19:33   this this fundraising charity thing they

00:19:35   do gives them the ability to pull in all

00:19:37   these big stars because stars love doing

00:19:39   things for comic relief I'm also not

00:19:41   entirely familiar with what comic relief

00:19:43   is yeah either but it did look like some

00:19:45   kind of a celebrity Club as far as I can

00:19:47   tell yes every second year the BBC for

00:19:50   about a month or so has this big comic

00:19:51   relief fundraising campaign which

00:19:54   culminates with a big TV show with lots

00:19:56   of comedians and stars doing funny skits

00:19:58   and things to raise all this money for

00:20:00   and then in the alternate years they

00:20:02   have Sport Relief where sports stars do

00:20:04   things for charity and raise money so

00:20:06   anyway this has been done under the

00:20:08   auspices of comic relief in cooperation

00:20:10   with VA so they've done the safety video

00:20:13   all these big stars have been in it and

00:20:16   agreed to do it and are trying to be

00:20:18   funny and you send it to me hmm

00:20:21   and I mean it's not new to make safety

00:20:24   videos try to be funny this has been

00:20:26   going on for a few years now yeah and

00:20:28   the first minute or two I found really

00:20:31   funny the first minute and a half to two

00:20:32   minutes I thought oh no this is actually

00:20:35   quite funny grey and I gonna have it

00:20:37   because I cuz I was actually in

00:20:38   chuckling at the first couple of things

00:20:40   I thought the guy who was playing the

00:20:41   director at first was quite funny and

00:20:44   the way he was reacting all these stars

00:20:46   are auditioning to be in the safety

00:20:47   video and this is sort of funny director

00:20:49   who's like telling them what to do and

00:20:51   funny in a thousand air quotes funny yes

00:20:53   well effort at first he was funny the

00:20:55   first couple were quite good I liked it

00:20:57   mhm and then I thought ah no groan are

00:20:59   gonna have a big fight because obviously

00:21:00   grey is not gonna like this but the

00:21:03   problem with it was after that initial

00:21:05   hmm that's quite funny they just float

00:21:08   the dead horse of the joke they got the

00:21:10   pacing all wrong mm-hmm it was too slow

00:21:13   it's way way too long and you begin

00:21:17   losing the will to live it loses

00:21:19   funniness too they start wheeling out

00:21:21   less and less funny people which

00:21:23   culminates at the very end with Rowan

00:21:25   Atkinson doing mr. bean which he must he

00:21:28   must stop doing that mr. bean was so

00:21:30   funny back in the day but not only is

00:21:33   the comedy of mr. bean not funny anymore

00:21:35   but watching him do it when you so much

00:21:37   older it's a bit like there's something

00:21:39   a bit sad about watching him do mr. bean

00:21:41   now but it's like oh man you still

00:21:43   having to do that it's yeah it's

00:21:45   especially weird from my perspective

00:21:46   because I've never seen the original mr.

00:21:49   bean I've only ever seen him do this

00:21:51   thing referencing this show yeah

00:21:55   it becomes very strangely meta it's like

00:21:57   is that just what Rowan Atkinson is like

00:21:59   is that what he just does is this him

00:22:02   the best FlightSafety video in the world

00:22:04   would start getting boring and tedious

00:22:05   after four or five flights close to each

00:22:08   other which is what happens you know

00:22:10   when you start having to travel a lot

00:22:12   and koechlin's planes

00:22:13   but this one did have the unusual

00:22:15   distinction of becoming tedious within

00:22:17   the first viewing of it which is quite

00:22:19   an accomplishment

00:22:20   it is almost impressive if we're gonna

00:22:22   do critiques of airline safety videos

00:22:24   here I feel like I wish poison spoilers

00:22:27   do we even to say score okay no that's

00:22:32   not how that works just a thing in the

00:22:33   world there's not spoilers for a thing

00:22:35   if it exists in the world okay because I

00:22:38   just ruined the mr. Bane ending because

00:22:40   his appearance at the end I think is

00:22:41   supposed to be like a surprise finale

00:22:43   yeah and what it is to me it's the final

00:22:46   bullet in the horse on the ground it's

00:22:48   like okay yeah this one can't be saved

00:22:51   yeah we're at mr. babe but like having

00:22:56   watched this thing so many times and

00:22:58   needing to critique it I feel like okay

00:23:01   many of these airline safety videos they

00:23:03   have the problem of they're trying to do

00:23:05   so much to dazzle you to keep you

00:23:08   entertained like people have sent like

00:23:09   these crazy music video safety videos

00:23:13   where there's just like all of these

00:23:15   dancers and things are moving around and

00:23:17   there's flashing lights and dead to

00:23:18   death and it's like okay it's too much

00:23:21   remember this is a plane right that

00:23:23   we're on we're supposed to be learning

00:23:24   about how to save our lives right not

00:23:26   like watching like an ensemble cast

00:23:27   dancing extravaganza but with this

00:23:30   safety video

00:23:31   it's like someone said okay let's take

00:23:33   it down let's take it down strip it back

00:23:35   we're gonna strip it back yeah and what

00:23:37   we're gonna do is we're just going to

00:23:39   have actors in a like a black mirror

00:23:44   infinite white void of nothingness

00:23:46   talking to you just a comedy do it oh

00:23:49   let the actors just exactly like just

00:23:52   let the comedy stand for itself at best

00:23:54   it will give you a mild chuckle a couple

00:23:58   of times yeah but it's they scale it

00:24:00   back and it's so right it's so

00:24:07   incredibly slow it was also like I think

00:24:10   they thought maybe the star power would

00:24:12   overwhelm us but like the star power is

00:24:14   not quite starry enough it's like a

00:24:16   minus 2b plus to us it's not a plus does

00:24:19   it's not even like oh my god I can't

00:24:21   believe they got Brad Pitt to do it it's

00:24:23   like oh they got that guy that's in that

00:24:25   comedy show that I saw

00:24:27   that time what's-his-name Oh can't

00:24:29   memories nine but you know that guy yeah

00:24:30   let me go through it okay so like I

00:24:31   don't know if the director is supposed

00:24:33   to be someone that I would know but I

00:24:34   have no idea who that person is I'm

00:24:35   going to assume he's a nobody sorry

00:24:37   director actor guy I have no idea who

00:24:39   you are he was the best guy in it by

00:24:41   then okay so it's like next up we have

00:24:44   guy from Love Actually whose name I

00:24:46   can't remember then next up we have the

00:24:49   chef who's yelling Gordon Ramsay write

00:24:51   that and Ramsay then we have like woman

00:24:54   I've never seen before in my entire life

00:24:56   I have no idea who she is

00:24:58   next up we have Gandalf and the guy who

00:25:02   played wicket it's like okay great got

00:25:05   it we're gonna move on Davis yeah Davis

00:25:08   like I couldn't remember his name next

00:25:09   up we have some British guy I have no

00:25:12   idea who he is

00:25:12   I don't think I've ever seen him before

00:25:14   in my life right next up we have an old

00:25:17   guy who looks like a character after who

00:25:19   I feel like I probably seen your face in

00:25:21   movies before but I couldn't possibly

00:25:22   think yeah James is dead I can't believe

00:25:29   I couldn't place him it literally saw

00:25:31   Bridget Jones's baby like a week ago and

00:25:36   Bridget Jones baby can't really

00:25:38   recommend that movie okay next going up

00:25:39   okay so now we come up to who for me is

00:25:42   the most recognizable person we've got

00:25:43   Gillian Anderson and it's like okay but

00:25:46   I am aware that they have the director

00:25:47   like make reference to you're not

00:25:50   auditioning for the x-files like try

00:25:52   like nudge the audience but who this

00:25:53   person is in case they can't place it

00:25:55   so that's everybody and then like you

00:25:57   said it's mr. bean at the end doing his

00:26:00   mr. bean thing I agree with you like it

00:26:02   is not star powering dazzling Ness it's

00:26:06   like Gandalf and Gillian Anderson those

00:26:09   are the two most recognizable to me

00:26:10   anyway it's just not very funny it's

00:26:12   funny at the start and I don't think

00:26:14   it's cuz the joke wore off I just think

00:26:16   it's just it's just funnier at the start

00:26:18   yeah but also as it got into its sixth

00:26:20   minute I was starting to think like are

00:26:23   all safety videos this long there's this

00:26:25   much information they have or have they

00:26:27   somehow really stretched it out because

00:26:29   they seem to be doing all the same

00:26:31   things a safety video does and safety

00:26:34   videos are never fast spoken so like

00:26:37   they're not speaking much slower are

00:26:39   they is there that much filler it

00:26:41   how long is a normal safety video I

00:26:43   don't know Wow okay so I was gonna say I

00:26:45   feel like this is about the same as all

00:26:47   the rest of them but the original one

00:26:49   that started are complaining about this

00:26:51   which is the United Airlines safety is

00:26:52   global one which I feel like is filled

00:26:54   with so much ridiculousness of like

00:26:57   setting up establishing shots of where

00:26:59   they are and all sorts of dumbness that

00:27:01   is yes that's about three and a half yes

00:27:03   it's it's four and a half minutes long

00:27:05   so I was thinking like oh surely it must

00:27:07   be the same but that one is now like

00:27:09   like a zippy adventure all over the

00:27:11   world compared to this one from British

00:27:13   Airways I'm guessing that this is just

00:27:16   way slower than most of them are going

00:27:18   to be but why are these things so awful

00:27:21   and I know it's for charity but there is

00:27:24   something about like you've made me

00:27:25   watch this terrible thing and you're

00:27:27   asking me for something at the end and

00:27:29   I'm like I'm sure it's feeding children

00:27:31   across the world or whatever but it's

00:27:33   like you've made me sit through this

00:27:34   awful thing and now you're asking me for

00:27:36   money it's like I just hate like it's it

00:27:39   got me on these two levels Brady is

00:27:41   awful it's absolutely awful like you're

00:27:43   gonna ask me for money

00:27:44   make me laugh right put me in a happy

00:27:46   mood like don't infuriate me with his

00:27:48   unfunny nonsense and like I said I was

00:27:51   amazed to hear actual flight attendants

00:27:53   complaining to passengers about this

00:27:55   more than once and then I was watching

00:27:57   them as this thing was playing it's like

00:27:58   and they all had that dead thousand-yard

00:28:00   stare in their eyes as this thing was

00:28:02   going over the PA like to all the flight

00:28:05   attendants working on British Airways I

00:28:07   am so sorry for you during this season

00:28:10   I don't know when comic relief season

00:28:12   ends but I hope it's soon for everyone's

00:28:15   sake the problem is you with you doing a

00:28:17   safety video as well it has to be like

00:28:19   safe old person humor because you can't

00:28:22   make edgy jokes about aircraft safety

00:28:24   because people have like anxiety attacks

00:28:25   like for example when the dude was doing

00:28:28   the bit about the life jacket and the

00:28:30   whistle but he's quite a funny guy and

00:28:33   that could have been funny but he just

00:28:34   made some joke you can blow this to get

00:28:35   attention you know if you like getting

00:28:37   attention why haha that's the moment

00:28:39   where you could have been funny like you

00:28:40   know you could blow this to get

00:28:41   attention the attention of people who

00:28:43   didn't see the seven four seven that

00:28:45   just crashed right next to them or

00:28:47   something like that you know you could

00:28:48   have made some jokes about the ordeal of

00:28:50   a plane crash but

00:28:51   you know I guess you can't really do

00:28:53   that because everyone Alaskan off the

00:28:55   plane but you might want that in your

00:28:56   airline safety videos but I don't like

00:28:59   this comic relief video but I'm telling

00:29:01   you right now I wouldn't appreciate a

00:29:03   video that was filled with nothing but

00:29:05   death and destruction as the airline

00:29:06   safety video no matter how genuinely

00:29:08   effective it might be if the plane flips

00:29:11   in the ocean like this footage here of

00:29:12   Ethiopia lies in I just have the pilot

00:29:16   come on I like dead serious system you

00:29:17   like you need to pay attention because

00:29:19   if you don't this is what happens and

00:29:20   then like 30 seconds of the most

00:29:22   horrific footage you can imagine like

00:29:24   take off your goddamn headphones and

00:29:27   listen I see this picture of this person

00:29:30   here they didn't wear a seatbelt yeah

00:29:33   don't don't actually do that air wise

00:29:34   that would be bad but possibly inventive

00:29:37   I've got a little spoilery papercut

00:29:40   thing on my mind here because I think

00:29:43   telling people even if you think

00:29:45   something is good or bad counts as a

00:29:48   spoiler and I bet you agree - yep

00:29:50   completely agree yeah like I don't want

00:29:52   to know if the film was good or bad you

00:29:54   know the most you can tell me is that

00:29:55   the film is out and here's where you can

00:29:58   see it right or whether the ticket

00:30:00   prices like with your friend that

00:30:01   friendly mentioned if she tells you what

00:30:03   she thinks of a movie

00:30:04   it's totally spoiled there I think you

00:30:06   need to avoid even how good a film is so

00:30:08   the BBC News website but there are

00:30:11   places where I expect to stumble over

00:30:13   spoilers like the movie review section

00:30:16   of a newspaper or something like that

00:30:17   you know okay if I'm wading through

00:30:19   there okay I might see something I don't

00:30:22   want to see yeah if you're digging

00:30:23   around on Rotten Tomatoes you can't be

00:30:25   surprised if you're spoiled

00:30:26   exactly but the BBC News website for

00:30:30   reasons that are beyond me anyway have

00:30:32   decided to start reviewing films like

00:30:34   big films when they come out and what

00:30:37   they do is they quite often we'll put

00:30:39   these reviews on like the front page of

00:30:41   their news website and the other thing

00:30:44   they do is in the headline so on the

00:30:46   front page with the BBC news website in

00:30:48   the headline next to the name of the

00:30:51   film they have the star rating that

00:30:53   they've given her so I'll just be

00:30:55   looking I'll be scrolling down the front

00:30:56   page of the BBC News website and it will

00:30:58   say you know man dies in plane crash

00:31:01   latest bricks at negotiations and then

00:31:03   the next thing down we'll say the LA

00:31:05   Jedi three out of four stars mm-hmm like

00:31:08   as a headline on a news website I can't

00:31:12   believe they do that fair enough if they

00:31:14   said review of the last Jedi and then if

00:31:16   I clicked on that I can go and read the

00:31:17   review all right I clicked on it but

00:31:20   putting the star in the headline on the

00:31:22   clicky clicky bit on the front page

00:31:25   where you can't help but see it not

00:31:27   happy not happy I don't know I feel like

00:31:30   I'm very sensitive to spoilers I agree

00:31:32   that it would be better if they didn't

00:31:34   but it can't really feel like the BBC

00:31:37   has an opinion of the Star Wars movie

00:31:40   anyway well yeah that's a whole other

00:31:43   question whether the news website should

00:31:44   be reviewing a fair enough a movie

00:31:46   review show or something that they do

00:31:47   but yeah well yeah I mean I'm surprised

00:31:49   the BBC wasn't reviewing movies already

00:31:51   I could just assume there'd be a thing

00:31:52   that they do but they don't review

00:31:54   movies across their content and radio

00:31:56   shows and they have they have a movie

00:31:58   review TV show but having on their news

00:32:00   website this review but the star rating

00:32:02   riddle me this then you don't care about

00:32:06   it mmm what does it even achieve having

00:32:08   the star rating in the headline to click

00:32:11   you through I mean I guess that what you

00:32:13   just said there is what it achieves it's

00:32:14   probably there to get you to click

00:32:16   through I'm guessing like knowing how

00:32:17   many stars the reviewer gave it does

00:32:19   that make you more likely or less likely

00:32:21   to read it I feel like I would be more

00:32:24   likely to click that more likely if it

00:32:25   gets a high rating or a low rating hmm I

00:32:28   don't know if it's true but I feel like

00:32:29   I would be more likely to click a thing

00:32:31   that has the rating in the title just in

00:32:33   general because it almost feels a bit

00:32:36   like the you won't believe kind of

00:32:39   headlines putting the star rating there

00:32:40   almost is asking a question which is why

00:32:44   did this rating happen what is the

00:32:46   reason for this rating okay I feel like

00:32:48   it's a more intriguing title than simply

00:32:50   saying Star Wars last Jedi review click

00:32:53   here okay like Star Wars the last Jedi

00:32:55   review 3 out of 5 stars

00:32:56   click here is more intriguing it draws

00:32:58   the mouse pointer nearer I see what you

00:33:00   sign so I still think they shouldn't do

00:33:02   it for spoiler reasons but at least now

00:33:04   I understand why they do it I can't feel

00:33:06   like it's a spoiler Christmas podcast

00:33:09   episode brady and gray don't like the

00:33:12   last yet either why did you not do that

00:33:13   i didn't think of it at the time maybe

00:33:15   I'll do that next year

00:33:17   look at next year's Star Wars

00:33:19   three out of five right that's what the

00:33:20   title is gonna be well I'll tell you why

00:33:23   and actually in all seriousness I think

00:33:25   you will a verb Radian greater okay so I

00:33:37   feel like this is connected to the

00:33:38   notion of why is it spoilery when

00:33:41   someone tells you what they think about

00:33:43   a movie or a TV show or whatever and I

00:33:45   feel like it's because the person who is

00:33:48   telling you you as the listener probably

00:33:52   have some concept of the kinds of things

00:33:54   that person likes and doesn't like this

00:33:56   is where the BBC is like oh hi BBC

00:33:58   you're just a faceless machine alright

00:34:00   you might as well be a robot telling me

00:34:02   that the movie has X out of five stars

00:34:05   like who cares about the opinion of like

00:34:07   a soulless conscious list machine so I

00:34:10   feel like that's kind of the same thing

00:34:12   with the BBC movie reviews like I mean

00:34:14   probably there's some poor person who's

00:34:16   writing that movie review but like for

00:34:18   the most part it doesn't feel like the

00:34:20   BBC or the New York Times or anybody

00:34:23   could have a meaningful opinion about

00:34:26   the movie whereas like particular movie

00:34:29   reviewers can have meaningful opinions

00:34:31   and thoughts about the movie and then

00:34:33   that would feel like a spoiler

00:34:34   well the BBC does have some of them but

00:34:36   yeah maybe that doesn't apply to the

00:34:38   website but I see what you're saying

00:34:39   whereas if I know what you think it's

00:34:40   like a you know but it's so simple all I

00:34:42   have to do is define what I know of you

00:34:43   know like mentally reverse-engineering

00:34:47   what it is okay well speaking of star

00:34:49   reviews mmm I just wanted to bring

00:34:51   something up that we have hardly ever

00:34:53   done if ever and that is talked about

00:34:55   people rating our podcast on iTunes

00:34:57   you know how lots of podcasts say hey

00:34:59   can you give us a star rating on iTunes

00:35:02   because it helps us with the algorithm

00:35:03   and more people will find us and stuff I

00:35:05   think you and I both have always been

00:35:07   pretty reluctant to do that yeah I feel

00:35:09   like it has been a long time since we

00:35:11   were playing the what country are you

00:35:13   from game with our podcast reviews well

00:35:16   I'm gonna throw this out for people to

00:35:18   give us a star review on iTunes

00:35:21   preferably a high one but not for the

00:35:24   reason you might think all right not for

00:35:26   like the algorithm and to you know get

00:35:29   recommended to more people I mean that

00:35:30   would be lovely but that's

00:35:31   the race I don't think that really works

00:35:33   but okay I don't know I don't know my

00:35:36   reasons is far more shallow okay great

00:35:41   perfect you know what I feel like it's

00:35:43   already going to be more effective yeah

00:35:45   and that is this basically when I know

00:35:48   people people like my wife and my

00:35:50   friends and stuff like that but this

00:35:51   recently happened I think with my wife

00:35:53   she had a high-powered meeting with some

00:35:55   influential people in the world of like

00:35:57   media and podcast II stuff she was just

00:35:59   talking to them and she said to them oh

00:36:02   my husband does a podcast that is that

00:36:05   you know is quite successful when does

00:36:07   quite well mm-hmm like the person at the

00:36:10   meeting said ah what's a cold like all

00:36:12   excited because they are into podcasts

00:36:14   and I'm she makes she said hello

00:36:15   Internet I hope that's what she said the

00:36:18   guy was like ah you know I've never

00:36:19   heard of it mm-hmm fair enough you know

00:36:21   a good proportion of the world's

00:36:23   population haven't heard of hello

00:36:24   Internet I accept that but then it

00:36:27   occurred to me he probably would then

00:36:29   have checked the podcast is to see what

00:36:31   it was and what it was about and what it

00:36:32   was like and when you go away and check

00:36:34   someone's like YouTube channels or

00:36:35   Twitter account or something you can

00:36:37   very quickly see if that claim is legit

00:36:40   like is this really a big YouTube

00:36:42   channel just have a lot of subscribers

00:36:43   is this person really influential do

00:36:45   they have a lot of Twitter followers or

00:36:46   was that all talk with the podcast the

00:36:48   only thing you can do is go to iTunes

00:36:50   and look at how many star ratings the

00:36:53   podcast has and if it has lots and lots

00:36:55   of people have reviewed it you'll say oh

00:36:57   yeah okay yeah that is people must

00:36:59   listen to that podcast and if it has

00:37:01   just a handful you think arts just you

00:37:02   know a couple of guys in their bedroom

00:37:04   and and no one listens and it suddenly

00:37:07   occurred to me to a stranger who's not

00:37:09   aware with like you know the world of

00:37:11   Tim foolery and doesn't hang out on the

00:37:13   subreddit and hasn't where I know

00:37:15   followed the podcast for years the only

00:37:16   thing we can be judged by is the number

00:37:18   of star ratings and like I'm okay I can

00:37:21   live with people thinking hello

00:37:22   internets big or small but in that

00:37:25   particular little situation I suddenly

00:37:27   thought no I don't actually know how

00:37:29   many star ratings we have maybe we have

00:37:31   loads but it just suddenly occurred to

00:37:33   me that our that's a good thing about

00:37:34   star ratings forget the algorithm if

00:37:36   someone checks up on the podcast to find

00:37:39   out whether it's legit whether it's like

00:37:41   a good podcast or not that's all they

00:37:42   can look at it is a strange thing

00:37:45   in the podcast world how under this veil

00:37:49   of secrecy everything is because I often

00:37:50   want to know like how big is somebody

00:37:52   else's pocket and you just have no idea

00:37:53   it's funny it never really occurred to

00:37:55   me to go look at iTunes and look at the

00:37:56   reviews but I feel like that is also a

00:37:58   case of that is still going to be pretty

00:38:02   inconsistent because some podcasts beg

00:38:05   for reviews at the end of every episode

00:38:06   and some podcasts you know like ours

00:38:09   don't ever ask for reviews except in the

00:38:11   very beginning whatever getting started

00:38:12   and today right and this very moment

00:38:15   right now as you should be on on your

00:38:17   podcast app opening up the iTunes don't

00:38:19   do a radio tom style like automated

00:38:22   process where like they're the Apple

00:38:24   servers collapse under some automated

00:38:26   star system where there's more we get

00:38:29   more star ratings that there are stars

00:38:30   in the Milky Way or something great

00:38:32   rating nobody was thinking that until

00:38:34   you mentioned it so thanks okay great

00:38:36   yeah okay so change if that happens yeah

00:38:42   so actual humans only yes Brady for his

00:38:45   vanity project would like more reviews

00:38:48   and iTunes that's the only humans need

00:38:51   apply right only humans need a fly but

00:38:53   Grady wants to be able to impress people

00:38:55   and show them real proof that the

00:38:57   podcast is a big deal so I guess we're

00:39:00   asking for reviews no it's more other

00:39:03   people like my friends and stuff like

00:39:05   that like it's not about me wanting to

00:39:07   like you know I can do make up a number

00:39:09   oh yeah we hundred million downloads

00:39:11   just yesterday so wait can I just be

00:39:14   clear here so this isn't even this is

00:39:16   not something you want for you directly

00:39:17   now this is like second hand

00:39:20   conversations that people you know are

00:39:22   having about you it's someone I know who

00:39:25   recommend to someone I know who knows

00:39:26   someone else who might go and have a

00:39:28   look to see how many stars we've got

00:39:29   okay great I wasn't it'll be like a

00:39:31   decent number how many ratings if we go

00:39:37   we currently have 661 ratings with a

00:39:41   five-star average is that good

00:39:43   Oh co-op star sounds good base 661 good

00:39:45   I have no idea what podcast ratings are

00:39:47   but whatever that is we're just gonna

00:39:49   say right now far too low for whatever

00:39:52   should have right it's this should be

00:39:54   ten thousand five star ratings sorry

00:39:58   thousand

00:39:59   yes that's what we're going for just go

00:40:01   into iTunes click the star for your mate

00:40:03   Brady

00:40:03   it's not about gaming the algorithm I

00:40:05   couldn't care less about that it's just

00:40:06   about purely about vanity I like this

00:40:09   you know what I swear to God I feel like

00:40:11   that's a more pure desire just being

00:40:16   real upfront about it is like Hades

00:40:18   feeling a bit like he wants his vanity

00:40:20   flattered why don't you help out with

00:40:21   that people and I am 100% convinced that

00:40:24   all those podcasts had asked for four

00:40:26   reviews and ratings at the end like I

00:40:28   just do not think that really matters

00:40:30   like as far as I can tell I don't think

00:40:31   that really matters in iTunes land maybe

00:40:34   it does in other podcast players but

00:40:35   like on iTunes anyway I don't think it

00:40:37   makes any difference I think it does

00:40:39   matter because there is a bit of the

00:40:41   rich get richer and the thing on iTunes

00:40:44   isn't there like if a successful podcast

00:40:45   launches another one and that sort of

00:40:47   stuff I think there is a bit of

00:40:48   algorithmic stuff going on there to be

00:40:52   gamed don't get me wrong there's a rich

00:40:53   gets richer effect but what I'm saying

00:40:56   is I don't think there's any relation

00:40:58   between the number of reviews and like

00:41:01   promotion on iTunes I don't think

00:41:04   there's a clear connection there I think

00:41:07   there is I think when you search

00:41:08   something like if you go into the eye

00:41:10   and search cricket you know and it

00:41:12   recommends a bunch of cricket podcast to

00:41:14   I think the ones with higher stars are

00:41:16   getting recommended before ones with two

00:41:18   stars I could be wrong and this this

00:41:20   information could be outdated but the

00:41:22   impression that I got is that the at

00:41:25   least on iTunes the recommendations are

00:41:28   largely based on a combination of two

00:41:30   things and then it's new people

00:41:33   subscribing and current download numbers

00:41:36   all right that was the impression that I

00:41:37   was given at one point that that is like

00:41:40   90% of the recommendation effect and

00:41:42   that the review thing is less less of an

00:41:46   effect but that could be wrong well

00:41:48   great I was gonna make a joke right

00:41:50   this was the joke I was about to say

00:41:51   okay well I just searched Flags on my

00:41:54   podcast player and we weren't even on

00:41:56   the front page but to be honest I'd

00:41:58   asserts flags on my phone and we were

00:42:00   the Sikh recommended podcast okay

00:42:04   I take it back yeah hello we think that

00:42:08   soon to dominate the bee podcast market

00:42:10   oh I didn't think the bees I'm gonna

00:42:13   search bees and see if we get if we get

00:42:15   on the front page for bees

00:42:16   I am gonna say apples awesome it's a

00:42:19   dramatic moment bees I'm searching bees

00:42:23   podcasts we are on the first page and

00:42:26   we're in the top top 20 apple knows what

00:42:29   it's doing with bee and flag related

00:42:32   podcast recommendations so great I've

00:42:37   been requiring some social advice for

00:42:39   you because I know you're the master of

00:42:40   social situations oh oh no no Brady

00:42:42   don't ask me I feel like I've been

00:42:43   particularly bad about this lately okay

00:42:45   this is one just just want to throw it

00:42:48   out there cuz it's pagina it's part of

00:42:50   life I feel like you know people like

00:42:53   you and me know how to react if someone

00:42:54   says to us oh it's you know it's my

00:42:56   birthday or I'm getting married or we're

00:43:00   having a baby like you kind of know the

00:43:02   things you're supposed to say to someone

00:43:03   congratulations

00:43:04   yeah things like and if someone dies you

00:43:06   also know there are certain ways to

00:43:08   handle that it's a you know when someone

00:43:10   has had a bereavement and they tell you

00:43:11   about it I'm very sorry for your loss so

00:43:13   if you lost things like that what do you

00:43:16   say when someone tells you they're

00:43:17   getting divorced

00:43:18   cuz I had that one the other day and I

00:43:21   kind of know I know I know lots of

00:43:24   people who've gotten divorced obviously

00:43:25   because it's a really common thing but

00:43:26   like someone just said to me I'll you

00:43:28   know it's just so you're in the know I'm

00:43:30   just letting you know cuz you're my

00:43:31   friend and I'm I'm we're actually you

00:43:33   know we're getting divorced I didn't

00:43:35   really know exactly what to say or do I

00:43:37   don't know if I dropped the ball I

00:43:38   handed it well but I just realized I

00:43:41   don't know what the etiquette is for

00:43:42   that I feel like that etiquette is very

00:43:44   context dependent I mean the less I know

00:43:48   about someone I would say something like

00:43:50   oh I'm I'm so sorry that you're going

00:43:52   through that yeah like that might be my

00:43:54   default one but I could see in some

00:43:58   circumstances like the divorce is a

00:44:01   positive change possibly in both

00:44:03   people's lives there's so much more you

00:44:06   need to know isn't there like what's

00:44:07   initiated er how do you feel about it

00:44:09   yourself and like without all that

00:44:11   information it's very difficult to know

00:44:13   what to say I didn't immediately have

00:44:15   the words at my grass

00:44:16   I don't have a general answer for this

00:44:18   as I'm probably sure it doesn't surprise

00:44:20   you I also feel like I have heard about

00:44:22   a thing but maybe this is just one of

00:44:23   those like things on the internet that

00:44:25   isn't real but I have heard about the

00:44:27   concept of a divorce party where someone

00:44:29   is celebrating the fact that their

00:44:31   divorce has finally gone through and I

00:44:34   have like a party to establish like oh

00:44:37   this is a fresh start in life now like

00:44:40   you're beginning things over so I don't

00:44:42   know if that's real or not if anybody's

00:44:43   actually had a real divorce party or if

00:44:45   this is just like a meme are you

00:44:46   imagining a divorce party where both the

00:44:48   divorcee you know I don't know I fed

00:44:50   know I feel like this there is two

00:44:52   separate divorce okay right you know

00:44:54   after you as a couple have divided up

00:44:56   the friends you know so who's gonna get

00:44:57   who in the communal friend pool that you

00:44:59   have separate parties to celebrate the

00:45:03   divorce I know again I don't know if

00:45:04   that's real I just feel like this is a

00:45:05   thing that I have heard about but I

00:45:07   don't know why you'd be asking me about

00:45:09   social advice I don't have any idea I

00:45:11   always feel really awkward with those

00:45:13   standard replies anyway like obviously

00:45:15   they're the standard replies for a

00:45:17   reason but as feel like I should be more

00:45:20   creative somehow with expressing

00:45:23   condolence or congratulations like when

00:45:26   it's somebody's birthday and you send

00:45:27   them a text message you say oh

00:45:28   congratulations happy birthday I always

00:45:29   feel like I should be able to say more

00:45:32   especially if it's a person I know but

00:45:34   they're the kind of isn't a lot more to

00:45:36   say at those events like you just these

00:45:40   are the social motions that we go

00:45:41   through yep

00:45:42   I feel like this is the worst time that

00:45:45   you could have possibly asked me that's

00:45:46   because like I've had in my list a

00:45:50   question to ask you which is a much

00:45:52   simpler social question yeah but I

00:45:55   genuinely feel like I need help in this

00:45:58   area and then the question is how does

00:46:02   one greet people I feel like I've

00:46:06   forgotten how to greet people or I just

00:46:09   don't know anymore do you know what's

00:46:12   happened I blame myself for this know

00:46:15   myself for you having this problem I was

00:46:17   gonna say because you've seen this

00:46:18   you've seen this in person right you

00:46:20   know what I'm talking about

00:46:21   I feel like I introduced you to the

00:46:23   concept of the half handshake half hug

00:46:25   yes you did I think you were I think you

00:46:27   were the first person who did this and I

00:46:29   feel like it caught your

00:46:30   imagination as a good thing to do right

00:46:33   but you still haven't learned how to do

00:46:34   it right and so every time I see you you

00:46:36   try to do it and I'm like oh great

00:46:38   you're not feeling it

00:46:40   if you don't feel it don't do it right I

00:46:43   love doing it and I enjoy it but I feel

00:46:47   like you're overthinking it here's the

00:46:49   question for the listeners Brady has

00:46:50   this idea this thing that he's invented

00:46:52   which is a half handshake where like I

00:46:56   do break you don't hug the person you

00:47:01   sort of handshake and back slap at the

00:47:03   same time yeah yeah ugh I call a humble

00:47:07   hug okay got it

00:47:10   but you're keeping like a little bit of

00:47:12   distance because your hands are shaking

00:47:14   in between the two of you yeah and then

00:47:16   the hands go over the back like I gets a

00:47:18   hug we're like you know your belly

00:47:19   buttons wouldn't touch it's just like

00:47:21   right my right shoulder would touch your

00:47:23   right shoulder as our right hands shake

00:47:25   and then my left hand will touch the

00:47:27   back of your left shoulder I'm doing

00:47:29   this a friend of microphone right now

00:47:30   yeah okay I mean that it's a difficult

00:47:33   maneuver to pull off obviously this is

00:47:35   like 16 plus level greetings right this

00:47:38   is this is not for beginners yeah but I

00:47:40   also feel like I don't understand the

00:47:42   boundaries of social greetings anymore

00:47:45   it's like like how well do you have to

00:47:48   know someone to do a hug greeting hum

00:47:51   versus a hug well no no this is a

00:47:53   spectrum right we have the full spectrum

00:47:55   so on one end we have like a hug

00:47:58   right yeah and so we could say clearly

00:47:59   family members right you would greet a

00:48:02   family member with a hug yeah maybe a

00:48:03   kiss on the cheek right that's one clear

00:48:06   clear end who I'm allowed to kiss so I

00:48:08   find difficult no no let's just put that

00:48:11   aside just for the moment like we can

00:48:12   return to this but all right then on the

00:48:14   other end you have like you have flown

00:48:17   to Japan and now met a stranger and

00:48:22   you're just going to politely bow and I

00:48:25   feel like you're in some kind of

00:48:26   competition to bow lower but I also

00:48:28   don't know for sure if that's real so

00:48:30   anyway this is like the contact spectrum

00:48:33   and then for most of the times you meet

00:48:35   I feel like I'm meeting a pure stranger

00:48:37   it's really fine like okay we do

00:48:39   handshakes handshakes for everybody but

00:48:43   as

00:48:44   soon as I'm meeting a person the second

00:48:46   time or the third time I don't know I

00:48:48   feel like I always get it wrong I feel

00:48:50   like I do this wrong every time and I

00:48:52   don't know how to do it and I am now

00:48:53   convinced I'm gonna blame you on

00:48:55   introducing like an off by one error

00:48:58   that has looped over in my head a

00:49:00   hundred thousand times and is making

00:49:01   every time I greet someone hard and

00:49:04   incomprehensible to me now the thing you

00:49:06   shouldn't do is reference the hug that's

00:49:08   my tip okay like don't say we're hugging

00:49:12   or let's have a hug or come on haha hug

00:49:14   just do the hug but don't reference the

00:49:16   hug okay so no verbal acknowledgment of

00:49:19   the hug yeah is there a way to save it

00:49:21   when someone else is going for the hug

00:49:23   but you go for the handshake you've got

00:49:26   a you've got to convert to the hug

00:49:27   they can't downgrade you've got a rise

00:49:29   to the occasion and join the hug what if

00:49:32   they've already extended their hands and

00:49:34   you haven't noticed Holloman asked all

00:49:36   them in to the humble hugs up yank them

00:49:38   in humble hug yeah hmm

00:49:42   you can also deflect a hug into a humble

00:49:45   hug okay deflect a hug I feel like it

00:49:47   needs to cut it like some like brazilian

00:49:51   jiu-jitsu class to practice this and

00:49:52   there's also another option is as you do

00:49:54   the hug and if it's become awkward and

00:49:56   you realize it's all gone wrong you do

00:49:58   like a funny you pat them on the back

00:50:00   three or four times and like with a

00:50:01   laugh like isn't this funny what we're

00:50:03   doing and make a big joke of the hug

00:50:05   wait but so now you're referencing yeah

00:50:07   everything the hug yeah but that's only

00:50:08   because it needs referencing because

00:50:10   it's all gone so far wrong okay so if it

00:50:12   goes if it goes really wrong hmm you

00:50:14   reference the hug I'll write you some

00:50:16   notes this was all brought to a head on

00:50:19   God I will remember this until the day I

00:50:22   die but I was meeting a stranger on one

00:50:25   of my recent trips and we just we just

00:50:27   went to do I swear to God Brady like you

00:50:31   know level two and above the Simo simple

00:50:34   thing the handshake yeah and somehow I

00:50:38   went to handshake this other guy and I

00:50:40   did it so wrong that how to describe

00:50:44   this so imagine you're holding out your

00:50:46   hand for a handshake and then you lower

00:50:50   your pinkie so there's space like you're

00:50:52   making a shadow dog on the wall somehow

00:50:55   I got my hand into that position

00:50:58   we we shook with like just the the

00:51:01   webbing of our pinkies touching and the

00:51:03   rest of our hands holding could have

00:51:05   died I swear I could have died in that

00:51:09   moment and it's like we're gonna do this

00:51:11   we're gonna shake right

00:51:13   boom boom boom three and done and no

00:51:15   reference to it and this might be one of

00:51:18   the last things I think about before I

00:51:19   die is because it just keeps popping up

00:51:21   in my head over and over again

00:51:23   worse than the sloppy Ben's moment

00:51:25   honestly yes because unlike the sloppy

00:51:28   buns moment which was such a peculiar

00:51:31   events with very special circumstances

00:51:34   around it handshakes happen all the time

00:51:36   and so now when I go to a handshake with

00:51:38   someone I'm like very focused on keeping

00:51:40   my fingers together to make sure that

00:51:42   there is no accidental slippage here so

00:51:45   it's been really rough for me Brady and

00:51:47   then when you throw in the difficulty of

00:51:50   living abroad as an expat and the

00:51:53   complication of like who do you kiss

00:51:55   because some people expect the kisses

00:51:58   especially when you're dealing with

00:51:59   foreigners and it's a broad like I can't

00:52:01   deal with it and Here I am many years

00:52:03   into life and I'm clearly getting much

00:52:06   worse at the how do you greet another

00:52:08   human protocol I'll tell you my biggest

00:52:10   problem with the kiss okay and that is

00:52:13   in a lot of the circles I move in the

00:52:16   guys have a hug or a humble hug and

00:52:19   male-female combinations do a kiss

00:52:21   that's the way we roll right yep but I

00:52:24   won't kiss someone who I don't know very

00:52:26   well so sometimes if you're in a group

00:52:28   and there are like say five or six women

00:52:31   and you know them really well and

00:52:32   there's one you don't you get into a

00:52:34   situation where you use five people and

00:52:36   then you get to the final person and

00:52:38   you're like you just stick out your hand

00:52:39   and shake your hand because it's like I

00:52:42   don't you know it would be inappropriate

00:52:43   for me to kiss you person and yet it

00:52:45   almost feels like after you've just

00:52:46   kissed all the other people it's almost

00:52:48   like you're shunning them like it's like

00:52:49   no I don't like you you know you smell I

00:52:53   don't want to kiss you well of course

00:52:54   that's not the case it creates a real

00:52:56   awkward situation kiss kiss kiss kiss

00:52:58   see you later shake and yeah yeah I

00:53:01   don't know how to handle that you know I

00:53:03   think that is the only way to handle

00:53:04   that but I just feel a bit guilty it is

00:53:06   extra worse because the the cheek kiss

00:53:09   greeting thing I mean let's just ignore

00:53:11   the

00:53:12   or to things like sometimes you never

00:53:13   know what the other person's gonna do

00:53:14   well you know sometimes free and you get

00:53:18   you get cold out for only doing two

00:53:19   there's three even work don't understand

00:53:22   you go back to the one you started on

00:53:24   you about it now yeah and if you're

00:53:25   needed to do they're like no no no no we

00:53:27   must do three no that's kissing the

00:53:29   Latian no we're gonna be here all day

00:53:32   doing this air kiss cheek thing okay so

00:53:35   that situation with the kisses that is

00:53:37   really hard I feel like the kiss is a

00:53:39   closer greeting than the hug yeah I'm

00:53:43   more discriminating with cheek kisses

00:53:46   even err cheek kisses than I would be

00:53:49   with hugs I think with a dude you can

00:53:51   escalate to hug relatively quickly yeah

00:53:55   or the humble hug because I really got

00:53:57   to work on that I really got to work on

00:53:58   that but so that's why it feels like if

00:54:00   you've done the cheek kiss and then

00:54:04   there's one woman who you don't feel

00:54:07   it's okay or you know her well enough to

00:54:09   do the cheek kiss it does now feel like

00:54:11   it's an extra level of social rejection

00:54:14   to not do the cheek kiss whereas I feel

00:54:18   like when I've been in those situations

00:54:19   where it's a group of people and someone

00:54:22   does the hug I agree it feels like the

00:54:25   only thing that you can do is i okay

00:54:26   well now everybody's getting a hug right

00:54:28   yeah hug escalation has just occurred

00:54:30   yeah and now I have to remember for all

00:54:33   of these people for all the rest of time

00:54:34   that like we've escalated to hug and so

00:54:37   I have to remember that next time so I

00:54:38   don't downgrade them it doesn't feel

00:54:40   like you can escalate to cheek kissing I

00:54:43   feel especially as a guy like the other

00:54:46   person has to initiate the cheek kissing

00:54:48   thing is like okay then we're on this

00:54:50   level and sometimes if you've done three

00:54:52   or four in a row

00:54:53   they will realize okay this is awkward

00:54:55   for him I'm gonna give him the cheek yes

00:54:58   otherwise it's gonna be awkward for him

00:54:59   but it's difficult this is difficult

00:55:02   times we live in

00:55:03   it's awful but I've been mean to ask you

00:55:05   for months like help me greet people

00:55:07   Brady I just don't know how to do it

00:55:09   maybe I'll run like away days like you

00:55:11   know up in the mountains where you come

00:55:12   and do like a three or four day retreat

00:55:14   we just do like hugging lessons and

00:55:18   handshakes and air kisses and next time

00:55:20   I see you in all seriousness I want you

00:55:22   to help me practice the humble oh don't

00:55:25   mention it don't reference it manikin a

00:55:33   punching bag just be hugging it Oh day

00:55:37   like okay maybe I'll give that a try but

00:55:42   I feel like I've not been socially

00:55:43   rejected you don't want to practice

00:55:44   humble hugging degrading it hurts it

00:55:46   hurts deep well as I record this in

00:55:49   January you may be thinking about new

00:55:52   year's resolutions and Harry's would

00:55:54   like you to think about how they may fit

00:55:56   in with that maybe you're planning to be

00:55:58   a bit smarter with money this year

00:55:59   and Harry's well they can save you about

00:56:01   $100 a year if you're a frequent shaver

00:56:04   or maybe you just want to take better

00:56:06   care of yourself and again

00:56:07   Harry's want to point out they've won

00:56:09   countless grooming Awards they'll keep

00:56:11   you looking and feeling great now

00:56:14   personally I think Harry's have got

00:56:15   great blades they give you a great

00:56:17   comfortable glide a good shave and they

00:56:20   do indeed save you money very reasonably

00:56:22   priced but my favorite thing about

00:56:24   Harry's is basically just the look and

00:56:27   the feel of the product I really love

00:56:28   the way they're shaving handles look

00:56:30   nice clean lines simple not too kind of

00:56:34   space-age in high-tech like a lot of

00:56:36   other shaving brands that well

00:56:37   personally I think look silly and I also

00:56:39   love the packaging that Harry's comes in

00:56:42   if you've ever ordered them you know

00:56:43   what I mean not only is it nice to

00:56:45   receive they make great gifts just cuz

00:56:47   of the way everything's boxed and

00:56:49   packaged and wrapped really top staff

00:56:51   have a look check out their website if

00:56:53   you want to know what I mean

00:56:54   now Harry's line they always like to say

00:56:55   they're about a great shave at a fair

00:56:58   price and that's why over three million

00:57:00   guys have switched to Harry's although I

00:57:02   was just thinking how it has been around

00:57:04   long enough that there are probably a

00:57:06   lot of people now who haven't switched

00:57:08   to Harry's but started on Harry's people

00:57:10   whose first shave was with a Harry's

00:57:12   razor maybe they've been Harry's all

00:57:14   their Shaving life that's a fun thought

00:57:16   now this is a company that's so

00:57:17   confident that you're gonna love their

00:57:19   blades they'll give you their free trial

00:57:22   shave set for free when you sign up at

00:57:25   Harry's calm /h I you just have to pay

00:57:29   for the shipping

00:57:30   that's harrys.com /h I that's a free

00:57:35   trial of

00:57:36   a 13 dollar value shave set and that's

00:57:38   that's going to include their weighted

00:57:40   economic razor handle five precision

00:57:43   engineered blades with a lubricating

00:57:45   strip and trimmer blade they're rich

00:57:47   lathering shave gel and a travel blade

00:57:50   cover so that the sharp blades not

00:57:52   bouncing around in your toiletries kit

00:57:54   when you're traveling around the place

00:57:55   handy little extra that once more free

00:57:58   trial' set harrys.com /h I get there now

00:58:01   our thanks to them for supporting this

00:58:03   episode I was at the cinema the other

00:58:06   day actually it was when I saw the last

00:58:08   Jedi it wasn't even the other day and

00:58:10   they were running the thousand ads they

00:58:12   run before films now which drives me

00:58:14   crazy and they ran an ad for Twitter I

00:58:20   was quite astonished by this ad I've

00:58:23   read a bit about it since and heard a

00:58:24   bit more about it I sent it to you

00:58:26   earlier today this is breathtaking to me

00:58:28   it's well known that Twitter has this

00:58:30   problem of needing to get new people

00:58:32   onto Twitter and someone has obviously

00:58:35   convinced them that they need to pitch

00:58:37   themselves at people who don't know what

00:58:40   electricity is or something I don't know

00:58:42   this is like these ads are pitched so

00:58:45   low and so basic at teaching people what

00:58:49   Twitter is and how to use it that if you

00:58:51   need to be pitched this low at there's

00:58:54   no way you're gonna use Twitter anyway

00:58:56   in these ads it's like there's you know

00:58:58   it's a couple of dumb scenarios but it's

00:59:01   guys are trying to figure out how to use

00:59:03   Twitter and someone comes along and it's

00:59:05   like oh hey you need to pick a username

00:59:06   Oh but-but-but my name's taken oh well

00:59:09   then you have to think of a clever other

00:59:11   username Brady can use an alternative

00:59:14   name you don't have to use your heart

00:59:16   name realize yes and now you follow

00:59:19   things that you're interested so if

00:59:22   you're so if you're interested in

00:59:23   something that's the sort of thing you

00:59:25   should follow and when you do that

00:59:27   what's gonna happen is you're gonna be

00:59:30   connected with other human beings who

00:59:32   aren't you really and be able to see

00:59:36   what those people are saying not you

00:59:38   oh other people not me not you and see

00:59:41   that magnifying glass thing's symbol

00:59:43   that thing that looks like a magnifying

00:59:45   glass right is that for like science

00:59:46   lessons no that's what does is that lets

00:59:49   you sir

00:59:50   and if there's something you want to

00:59:51   find hmm click that you will be able to

00:59:55   search and on Twitter you can find other

00:59:58   things that weren't already on you

00:59:58   things that weren't already on you

01:00:00   screen you can find other things it's

01:00:02   incredible

01:00:03   you've got to get on this thing man it's

01:00:05   awesome well it certainly looks like

01:00:07   it's a like a platform for morons based

01:00:10   on these advertisements if you don't

01:00:12   know these things you're so far from

01:00:16   being on Twitter

01:00:17   you're obviously don't use the Internet

01:00:18   I do enjoy them explain the concept of a

01:00:21   username yeah yeah like okay yeah great

01:00:24   I think people are familiar with the

01:00:26   idea that on websites you have user

01:00:30   names I'm sure there are people who

01:00:31   aren't familiar with that grey but those

01:00:33   people aren't who you need to be

01:00:34   advertising to then lost to you oh wow

01:00:38   that's really bad I do feel like this is

01:00:40   a thing where you know you start off

01:00:43   with this concept that Twitter doesn't

01:00:46   reach a general audience and I've always

01:00:48   been on the side of a like man I wish

01:00:50   Twitter didn't have a bazillion dollars

01:00:52   worth of venture capital sunk into it so

01:00:55   that it has to constantly grow because I

01:00:57   just don't think that Twitter is ever

01:01:00   going to be a facebook like thing I

01:01:04   think you're always going to have like

01:01:06   1/10 of the people who are on Facebook

01:01:08   are on Twitter I don't think it's a

01:01:10   useful social network for every human

01:01:14   being in the world and I just don't

01:01:17   think it ever will be and I'm also

01:01:19   willing to bet that these ads are like

01:01:22   throwing money into a black hole as far

01:01:25   as Twitter is concerned you know

01:01:27   probably in the in the kind of world

01:01:29   where you're putting an advertisement

01:01:31   for Twitter before a movie hey you know

01:01:33   we're talking about like a first world

01:01:34   country you probably have the Twitter

01:01:37   market share that you're going to have I

01:01:40   don't think there's a lot of growth like

01:01:42   just let Twitter be Twitter maybe you

01:01:44   could argue the ideas explaining how

01:01:46   Twitter works to people and I think

01:01:47   that's a waste of time but if you're

01:01:49   advertising to people who sort of know

01:01:51   what Twitter is but think it's not for

01:01:53   them that add in no way makes you think

01:01:56   oh there is a platform I'm gonna move to

01:01:58   now like there's nothing in the ad that

01:01:59   makes you think there's something I'm

01:02:01   missing out on here I don't need to get

01:02:02   on let's say you wanted people to sign

01:02:05   up with Twitter that you thought this

01:02:06   was a good idea and you thought hey

01:02:08   maybe people are really unfamiliar with

01:02:10   all of the great things that Twitter can

01:02:11   do I know let's see

01:02:13   our framing device is a hostage

01:02:17   negotiation right so we're going to have

01:02:19   a guy in a house who looks like he's a

01:02:22   crazy person with police on the outside

01:02:24   and we're going to have a hostage

01:02:26   negotiator yelling the instructions of

01:02:28   how to sign up for Twitter remotely at

01:02:32   him like the crazy man in the house who

01:02:35   if this was a movie in every movie would

01:02:37   be like a lunatic with a gun holding

01:02:39   hostages on the inside of the house like

01:02:41   he's the guy who's coming out and it's

01:02:43   using Twitter like it's I don't

01:02:44   understand who this is for in both ads

01:02:49   the guy that they're trying to get to

01:02:51   use Twitter and be on Twitter is a god

01:02:54   you don't want to be like he's like no I

01:02:56   don't want to be that guy yeah in the

01:02:58   second one he's like a shadow just

01:02:59   running along a road for reasons I can't

01:03:01   really understand it doesn't make any

01:03:03   sense I mean like you can explain stuff

01:03:05   simply if people need to know it I feel

01:03:08   like a good example of this is like if

01:03:10   you look at what the original iPhone

01:03:13   commercials were those commercials are

01:03:16   hilariously simple now where they

01:03:20   explain very slowly how you make a phone

01:03:23   call on your iPhone and they sure like

01:03:25   you tap on this button and then you tap

01:03:27   on the numbers yeah they show you like

01:03:28   here's how you look up a place on a map

01:03:30   on your iPhone and they go through it

01:03:31   super simply but psych yeah that's

01:03:33   because smartphones were new and they're

01:03:36   also a product for the whole world click

01:03:39   you want everybody to do this and Apple

01:03:43   left those behind relatively quickly

01:03:46   right whereas here now are like 10 years

01:03:50   into the existence of Twitter and

01:03:51   they're putting out ads to convince

01:03:53   people to go on Twitter they're terrible

01:03:56   ads and I bet their horrific ly

01:03:58   ineffective but I'm always amazed stuff

01:04:01   like this gets made

01:04:02   I kind of would love to be on the fly on

01:04:04   the wall in the pitch meetings for this

01:04:07   kind of thing like how does this

01:04:08   locomotive leave the train station I

01:04:10   just don't understand I know you sort of

01:04:12   quite often go on sort of Twitter fasts

01:04:14   where you're not on Twitter for a long

01:04:15   time you know you're offline and then

01:04:17   you'll sort of reappear after 2 or 3

01:04:19   weeks

01:04:19   I've always wondered when you do that

01:04:21   how far back will you go through sort of

01:04:24   at replies and things like that to see

01:04:26   what you missed or whom

01:04:27   fire things at you or do you think like

01:04:29   anything more than a day old is lost

01:04:31   forever or will you sit there and go

01:04:33   through like a timeline for the last

01:04:34   week or so and go oh there's something

01:04:36   interesting there that's a funny picture

01:04:38   or or will you just completely shun that

01:04:40   stuff

01:04:41   oh now forget it I just I don't look in

01:04:43   the past right the most I'll do which

01:04:47   sounds terrible but it's true is because

01:04:49   I am a lucky verified user on Twitter I

01:04:53   will click on the verified tab to see if

01:04:56   there's anything interesting in there

01:04:58   and that is a vastly vastly smaller

01:05:02   subsection of that replies yeah but no

01:05:05   like haven't really been on Twitter very

01:05:07   much at all in the past many weeks and I

01:05:09   just don't bother to look at the app

01:05:11   replies I don't think it's really a

01:05:14   worthwhile thing to do to scroll back

01:05:16   for three weeks worth of that reply it's

01:05:18   like especially what makes Twitter great

01:05:20   is it so in the moment yeah it feels way

01:05:24   more ephemeral than other mediums do so

01:05:26   I wouldn't go back through the history

01:05:28   well are you thinking of taking a

01:05:30   Twitter fast Brady are you looking for

01:05:32   advice I was just curious I was curious

01:05:35   I don't really go off for as long as you

01:05:37   but sometimes I'll go back a day or two

01:05:38   and there'll be something like ah I'm

01:05:40   really glad I went back and found that

01:05:42   because that was a real little gem that

01:05:43   someone like a funny picture that a team

01:05:45   sent me or something that I would have

01:05:47   otherwise missed and I sort of think

01:05:48   yeah you can miss some good stuff

01:05:50   amongst all that rubbish that you don't

01:05:52   want to say I was just curious you know

01:05:56   everywhere in the world you can miss

01:05:57   good stuff it doesn't mean that it makes

01:05:59   sense to look everywhere in the world

01:06:00   well that segues nicely to a quick one

01:06:03   let's do a one of our famous quickfire

01:06:05   rounds that we're so good at oh okay

01:06:07   because you've missed a lot of news

01:06:09   lately I have I have been very

01:06:11   disconnected from the world so fill me

01:06:13   in on the important updates that have

01:06:14   been going on but we haven't spoken for

01:06:16   a while and I've pulled together a small

01:06:17   little collection of news stories that

01:06:19   either I want to hear what you think

01:06:21   about or I want to rant about the first

01:06:26   one and I just came across this today is

01:06:28   the humanity star okay I don't like the

01:06:31   name of this already it looks like it's

01:06:33   a small satellite that's some kind of

01:06:36   geodesic sphere made from carbon fiber

01:06:40   and highly reflective

01:06:41   that has been put spinning into orbit

01:06:44   and is designed to like flash as the Sun

01:06:48   catches it so that it blinks a lot so

01:06:51   that we can all look up and see it as

01:06:53   some kind of inspirational art

01:06:55   installation is this real I'm looking at

01:06:58   his website this isn't a concept has

01:06:59   this actually been launched it's not

01:07:01   April 1st is it no I think it's up

01:07:03   there's an app you can look where it is

01:07:05   at the moment like it's currently

01:07:06   heading towards Mongolia and then over

01:07:08   Russia oh yeah oh yeah look at that

01:07:11   there's a live map of where this space

01:07:12   junk is how exciting it will last nine

01:07:14   months and then it will fall out of

01:07:16   orbit apparently where will it land yeah

01:07:18   I mean yeah it will burn up I mean

01:07:21   obviously there are certain satellites

01:07:22   famously there's these Iridium flares

01:07:24   that are caused by satellites when they

01:07:26   catch the Sun at a certain angle and

01:07:28   that's what inspired this they've made

01:07:30   like a deliberate one that's full of

01:07:31   mirrors that will do this rather than

01:07:33   have it happen incidentally I am very

01:07:36   unconvinced by the merits of this tell

01:07:39   me why you're opposed to a Brady I think

01:07:41   like the sky is maybe like the one

01:07:44   untouched thing that isn't hasn't got

01:07:47   like human machina Slover if you don't

01:07:49   include skywriting and banners in Miami

01:07:51   and things like that right like you can

01:07:53   look up at the stars and see everything

01:07:55   as it was like you know a thousand years

01:07:58   ago and not have like coca-cola

01:07:59   billboards and human intervention and I

01:08:03   think this is the thin end of a wedge

01:08:04   where we're now thinking oh now we can

01:08:07   get things into space easier this is an

01:08:09   opportunity to like put stuff up there

01:08:11   that will catch people's eye and I think

01:08:14   this is the star of coca-cola billboards

01:08:17   in space where we're putting things in

01:08:20   space deliberately to be seen back down

01:08:22   here on earth like I know you can see

01:08:24   the space station and you can see

01:08:25   satellites if the conditions are right

01:08:27   and you'll see a dot moving through the

01:08:28   stars but like that's kind of incidental

01:08:30   this is like oh let's make something

01:08:33   that deliberately catches people's

01:08:34   attention down on earth and like do we

01:08:38   want to go this way is this the

01:08:39   direction we want to go well we're doing

01:08:41   it yes but Brady in the Y section on the

01:08:45   humanity star website yeah if they say

01:08:47   that humanity is capable of great and

01:08:50   kind things when we recognize we are one

01:08:52   species responsible for the care of each

01:08:55   and our planet together the humanity

01:08:57   star is to remind us of this no matter

01:09:00   where you are in the world rich or in

01:09:03   poverty in conflict or at peace everyone

01:09:06   will be able to see the bright blinking

01:09:09   Humanity star orbiting the Earth in the

01:09:11   night sky don't you think that's a noble

01:09:15   goal breathing well you've just given

01:09:16   them a nice piece of audio they can clip

01:09:18   and put on their website it's a healthy

01:09:23   reminder of how easy people in other

01:09:24   countries can put satellites above our

01:09:26   country I just think it's the star of

01:09:29   mucking up space it wouldn't have

01:09:32   crossed my mind that this might be the

01:09:33   start of the thin end of a wedge I mean

01:09:35   to me this just strikes me as like vain

01:09:37   space junk more vain than putting a

01:09:40   Tesla in space I feel like I missed that

01:09:42   story I never quite got with her duty

01:09:43   wasn't it launching a Tesla to Mars

01:09:45   wasn't that what it was I don't think it

01:09:47   was Mars I think it was to check it out

01:09:48   in space somewhere what chuck it at the

01:09:50   Sun like it was garbage is that what it

01:09:52   was

01:09:52   now I need to Tesla in space what was

01:09:54   that this is one of these things there

01:09:56   was like it vaguely reached my bubble

01:09:59   but didn't quite I think for some reason

01:10:00   the need to put a heavy object out in

01:10:02   space and they think well why not use a

01:10:04   Tesla Roadster as opposed to just like a

01:10:07   heavy thing at least the headlines are

01:10:09   all saying that they're shooting a Tesla

01:10:10   Roadster beyond Mars whatever that means

01:10:13   but at least is not like there's a Tesla

01:10:15   orbiting the Earth ridiculous if there

01:10:20   was a Tesla that was orbiting the night

01:10:21   sky so that everybody could look up and

01:10:23   be reminded that humanity is capable of

01:10:26   great things when we recognize we are

01:10:27   one species responsible for the care of

01:10:28   each other and our planet together that

01:10:30   would be ridiculous okay yeah Musk's

01:10:32   thing is they need to have a dummy

01:10:33   payload to test a rocker and instead of

01:10:36   just putting some concrete or rocks in

01:10:37   it because you're obviously not going to

01:10:39   put like a billion-dollar satellite in

01:10:40   yet you know test right why not put a

01:10:42   roadster in there because you know he's

01:10:44   got them lying around so you know why

01:10:47   not cross promote my my cars at the same

01:10:49   time and like you know but I mean the

01:10:52   guy's a total publicity tat say yes or

01:10:55   at least there's a functional reason for

01:10:56   that but the humanity star there why

01:10:58   page does not convince me of the merits

01:11:01   of it like you put a shiny thing up in

01:11:02   the sky and just just because you say

01:11:05   it's

01:11:06   for this thing like it doesn't make it

01:11:08   that thing it just is what it is plus

01:11:11   the number of people who will ever

01:11:12   recognize it or see it is tiny and if

01:11:15   they do they won't think like wow I'm

01:11:17   really feeling like I'm one with the

01:11:18   human species they'll think I wonder

01:11:20   what that dot is is it a plane

01:11:22   or is it a satellite yeah whatever right

01:11:25   and then that'll be the end of their

01:11:26   thought process if they even notice it

01:11:28   I love the condescending way you say

01:11:30   humanity's death

01:11:33   well I mean come on you give it a name

01:11:35   like that and that's what's going to

01:11:36   happen like it's it's reaching so far

01:11:38   yeah I feel like this is dumb and I

01:11:41   really just wondered mostly about the

01:11:42   details of how did this get up into

01:11:44   orbit like what like I'm just realizing

01:11:46   I don't really know how nations

01:11:50   coordinate satellites up in space or

01:11:53   anything I just realizing there's this

01:11:55   huge gaping hole in my knowledge of how

01:11:57   this kind of stuff works yeah I don't

01:11:59   know maybe in ten years we'll be seeing

01:12:01   coca-cola billboards as it gets cheaper

01:12:03   and easier to launch things up into

01:12:05   outer space well next time I'm following

01:12:07   the humanity star tracker and I say it's

01:12:09   going over London I'll give you a text

01:12:11   and say go out now great oh yeah it's

01:12:13   your chance to say it yeah I'm sure

01:12:15   standing in central London where when I

01:12:17   look up into the night sky and see

01:12:18   nothing but blackness because my

01:12:21   solution I'm sure I'll I'm sure I'll

01:12:23   spot this one more nice more news

01:12:26   Bam Bam Bam so I don't know if you saw

01:12:28   this but there was an election in

01:12:30   Virginia where the two candidates got

01:12:32   equal votes and it was like in the

01:12:34   11,000 s or something a really high

01:12:36   number and they ended up on equal votes

01:12:38   so they decided the election by a random

01:12:41   draw which is interesting in itself and

01:12:44   how they decide to do a random draw I

01:12:45   find fascinating what do you think of

01:12:47   deciding an election by randomness when

01:12:50   the votes are even fair enough I'm kind

01:12:55   of okay with it as long as it's set out

01:12:57   in advance like everybody knows this is

01:13:00   part of the rules like I think this is a

01:13:02   not uncommon electoral feature nono

01:13:06   happens nothing happens with smaller

01:13:09   constituencies obviously where the vote

01:13:11   numbers are lower but this was quite a

01:13:13   high one to have a coin toss but yeah

01:13:14   well there wasn't a coin toss they

01:13:15   pulled names out of film canisters from

01:13:18   a stoneware bowl

01:13:20   but that's a whole other story he's very

01:13:23   specific film canisters bought on Amazon

01:13:26   the woman even like she was doing guys

01:13:27   I bought these film canisters on Amazon

01:13:30   they're unmarked and identical the A+

01:13:35   American accent their breathing I don't

01:13:36   know what that was it kind of I was

01:13:38   halfway through I decided to convert to

01:13:40   American say it all went a bit wrong how

01:13:42   does that particularly enjoy

01:13:44   non-americans doing American accents

01:13:46   it's always a combination of horrific ly

01:13:49   wrong in ways that are hard to place and

01:13:52   also the horror of recognizing that this

01:13:56   is what the world thinks you sounds like

01:13:57   it's like okay this is what people

01:14:00   people think Americans they always gave

01:14:01   very southern very quickly as well yeah

01:14:04   has also loud and broad that's also what

01:14:07   it yeah do that I'm an American Oh

01:14:11   perfect yep that could have come from

01:14:13   anywhere America any town USA that's

01:14:16   your American accent pretty so I just

01:14:19   think the random the coin toss thing is

01:14:21   like where pragmatism is running up

01:14:25   against idealism we're sure in theory

01:14:28   you would want to have the election

01:14:31   again and I bet the simple fact of

01:14:33   knowing that there was a tie would

01:14:36   change the result the next time or it's

01:14:38   just in shockingly unlikely that you

01:14:40   would get a tie the next time but like

01:14:43   what are you gonna do not every district

01:14:46   in America can run a second election

01:14:48   like sometimes especially in smaller

01:14:50   races like you just need to get things

01:14:51   moving and you need to put somebody in

01:14:52   that office so um I'm sort of okay with

01:14:55   the coin flip it's not ideal but it's

01:14:58   practical under some circumstances this

01:15:00   was the do story that has stuck in my

01:15:01   head the longest over the last few weeks

01:15:03   so I just thought I'd tell you about it

01:15:04   okay this was a surgeon who got caught

01:15:09   lasering his initials on two livers

01:15:11   before he transplanted them into people

01:15:15   it was just so remarkable like I

01:15:17   couldn't have made that one up I'm not

01:15:19   entirely clear why he did it I think it

01:15:21   must have been like a vanity exercise

01:15:22   like you know gray was here yeah I think

01:15:25   yeah it's 100% vanity it's like asking

01:15:27   for more podcast reviews yeah say his

01:15:32   initials s

01:15:33   be he was lasering onto these livers

01:15:35   which apparently didn't cause any damage

01:15:37   to the livers and would eventually go

01:15:40   away but apparently he got caught out

01:15:43   when another surgeon opened up someone

01:15:45   who needed like a little bit of running

01:15:47   repairs and they said hang on is that an

01:15:50   S be on the liver sb was here W uz and

01:15:55   he got caught but the funny thing was

01:15:56   they couldn't figure what to charge him

01:15:59   with he was charged with assault

01:16:02   occasioning actual bodily harm which

01:16:04   seems like a strange charge for that

01:16:05   like putting your initials on a liver

01:16:08   that's not even in a person and then

01:16:10   putting that in but he pleaded not

01:16:12   guilty to that and he ended up pleading

01:16:13   guilty to two counts of assault by

01:16:15   beating as bad as they like yes in my

01:16:18   mind like I'm trying to think of what

01:16:19   would you charge a person

01:16:20   assault as what just popped into my head

01:16:22   is the first choice yeah but if the

01:16:25   liver was not inside the person when it

01:16:28   happened maybe it was maybe it was maybe

01:16:30   he put it in and then put his SPF

01:16:32   towards to say job done like like

01:16:34   signing your artwork if it's in the

01:16:37   person I feel like if it could be

01:16:39   assault if it's not in the person if

01:16:42   it's on the table then it feels like

01:16:44   property damage say this other surgeon

01:16:48   that core team might open someone up and

01:16:50   saw it took a photograph of it with

01:16:52   their mobile phone of the four

01:16:54   centimeter high branding that's like oh

01:16:56   my goodness I'm gonna take a picture of

01:16:57   that is there a picture in this article

01:16:59   I want to think I haven't seen a picture

01:17:01   of the SBA ah I don't know if that's

01:17:03   come out what a story hey I feel like

01:17:06   this story is so weird on so many levels

01:17:11   like surgeons always have that cliche

01:17:14   you know there are they've got a god

01:17:15   complex and they think they're awesome

01:17:16   like this is really reinforcing that

01:17:18   stereotype that he's like thinks he's

01:17:20   like this Picasso of surgery and has to

01:17:22   sign his work well I mean on the one

01:17:26   hand the man's putting new livers into

01:17:30   people like Picasso couldn't do that so

01:17:35   what you think he has got a right to

01:17:36   sign it well I think this is one of the

01:17:39   most amazing news stories why can't the

01:17:40   news all be this this is fantastic Brady

01:17:43   I want every news story to be this news

01:17:44   story I love this line in the sand

01:17:46   the Kalam reading about it says a barium

01:17:48   Crown Court representative said he was

01:17:50   charged with assault causing actual

01:17:52   bodily harm but pleaded guilty on

01:17:54   Wednesday to a lesser charge of assault

01:17:55   by baiting and that it puts in practice

01:17:58   beating here refers to the physical act

01:18:00   of inscribing the livers not actually

01:18:02   beating the patients that's a whole side

01:18:04   story about the ridiculousness of plea

01:18:05   bargaining

01:18:06   I'll admit guilty to a crime they didn't

01:18:09   commit

01:18:09   I think that stuff is crazy but I feel

01:18:12   like okay if I had had a liver

01:18:13   transplant and I found out that the the

01:18:16   surgeon had signed my liver even in a

01:18:19   temporary way I would be really annoyed

01:18:22   by that I would feel like that was some

01:18:24   kind of violation oh yeah

01:18:27   the patients were annoyed but they were

01:18:29   very upset about it they felt very

01:18:30   violated I heard some of them on the

01:18:32   radio yeah yeah it would feel weirdly

01:18:34   violating but I feel like I can't go to

01:18:38   see surgeons perspective which is like

01:18:41   I'm an awesome guy putting livers into

01:18:44   human beings like I can do like a fun

01:18:46   non-harmful temporary thing like I can

01:18:51   kind of see what the thought process

01:18:52   would be going through his head you're

01:18:55   like a surgical banksy I don't know I

01:18:58   can't come up with the comparison but

01:19:00   it's like one of the very early max I

01:19:02   think the whole development team like

01:19:04   sawing the inside of the cases for the

01:19:05   first run or something like that

01:19:07   feel like oh that's great that's an

01:19:10   addition I open to the computer and like

01:19:11   the chip designer had written his name

01:19:13   across the inside I wouldn't feel

01:19:15   annoyed I would feel kind of like yeah

01:19:17   you can't do that you can put your name

01:19:19   on the inside of the machine that I'll

01:19:20   never see or even in videogames coders

01:19:22   are notorious for hiding signatures and

01:19:27   little personal things inside the game

01:19:29   that like the CEO of a company will

01:19:30   never know is there and that they really

01:19:32   probably shouldn't be putting in there

01:19:33   but they do anyway and it becomes Easter

01:19:35   eggs and I feel like all of that is some

01:19:37   kind of fun but then when it's a liver

01:19:40   it just it feels really different and it

01:19:43   feels totally wrong but I can't find in

01:19:45   my mind where the line is between like

01:19:48   the Mac or the video game Easter eggs

01:19:50   and this signature which is really

01:19:54   complicated by the fact that it is

01:19:56   impermanent that it's not there forever

01:19:59   like

01:19:59   I've got a dusty windscreen on my car

01:20:01   and someone with their finger writes you

01:20:03   know clean me yeah yeah like have they

01:20:05   vandalized my car yeah have they

01:20:07   battered your car battery here refers to

01:20:09   the act of right and clean me in the

01:20:11   window it does not refer to physical

01:20:12   assault punching the cat yeah here's a

01:20:16   quote from someone whose life he saved

01:20:17   previously who I don't think he wrote

01:20:19   his initials on or maybe he did well

01:20:21   maybe he did she said even if he did put

01:20:23   his initials on a transplanted liver is

01:20:25   it really that bad I wouldn't have cared

01:20:27   if he did it to me the man saved my life

01:20:29   I think that that's what's on the other

01:20:31   side of my mental scale here is I would

01:20:34   feel violently but at the same time it's

01:20:35   like I've gotten another liver put

01:20:37   inside me it's amazing but like a pilot

01:20:39   flies you across the Atlantic without

01:20:41   you dying does that mean the pilot now

01:20:43   has the right to gouge his initials in

01:20:45   some part of your body because he didn't

01:20:46   crash the plane and therefore saved your

01:20:48   life you're helping the language here

01:20:50   right to gouge which sounds like it sure

01:20:52   is permanent well but it's not worse

01:20:55   than battery but battery there refers to

01:20:57   the fact of the legs that right as

01:20:58   opposed to physical yeah so stupid but I

01:21:00   don't know like if a plane landed and

01:21:03   the pilot was like giving hath

01:21:06   signatures to everybody on the way out

01:21:08   of the plane I feel like yeah I guess so

01:21:11   or to put it another way if the pilot

01:21:13   walked out halfway across the Atlantic

01:21:14   flight and said I'm not gonna go back

01:21:16   into the cockpit and this you've let me

01:21:18   write my initials on your liver you'd

01:21:19   probably say go ahead just land the

01:21:21   plane what a weird story

01:21:24   yeah see what you miss out by not

01:21:26   following the news I feel like this is

01:21:28   the most interesting news story you have

01:21:30   brought to me in the entire lifetime of

01:21:33   this podcast yeah so if I miss out on

01:21:36   one of these every half a decade I think

01:21:40   I'm still coming out ahead here's a good

01:21:42   one for you then this is a story from a

01:21:45   museum in Bristol that got caught

01:21:48   selling prints of a Banksy statue that

01:21:51   was in its museum without Banksy's

01:21:53   permission this is bang see the famous

01:21:55   you know graffiti artist mysterious

01:21:58   person who nowhere knows who he is for

01:21:59   people who don't know Banksy is right

01:22:01   whose dismal land we went to go see

01:22:03   exactly so Banksy's people said yeah you

01:22:06   don't have permission the museum

01:22:07   apologized profusely and stopped selling

01:22:10   them they were selling like hotcakes

01:22:11   apparently and that's

01:22:12   stop selling them and it was a little

01:22:13   kerfuffle now the thing I find most

01:22:15   interesting about this is that Banksy

01:22:18   who made his name illegally graffitiing

01:22:21   things around Bristol and other places

01:22:23   is now on this high horse saying how

01:22:27   dare you how dare you break the law and

01:22:29   make money off me without my permission

01:22:32   like am I the only one who has this

01:22:35   little voice in the back of my head gang

01:22:36   you know I'm all for protecting the

01:22:38   artists rights you know we've talked

01:22:40   about freebooting enough but I'm like

01:22:41   can Banksy do that I am honestly torn

01:22:45   because I hate saying artists being

01:22:47   exploited and taken advantage of but

01:22:49   this is the one person who I feel like

01:22:52   he's not in a strong position to say you

01:22:56   can only make money and do things you

01:22:58   know the right way his whole reputation

01:23:00   has been built on writing on walls he's

01:23:04   not allowed to write on and like you

01:23:05   know this gorilla thing about him he's

01:23:08   talented guy but he's he made his name

01:23:10   in this dodgy way I just thought it was

01:23:12   like a bit funny yeah under different

01:23:15   circumstances Banksy might have to have

01:23:16   had plead guilty to battery on walls all

01:23:20   over the United Kingdom there is

01:23:22   definitely the case of if Banksy was a

01:23:25   less good artist he would just be in

01:23:28   jail but it's true right it's totally

01:23:33   true some some of the things he's done

01:23:35   if he wasn't a famous artist totally be

01:23:39   in prison oh yeah I do feel like we have

01:23:42   to live in a world of laws and the laws

01:23:44   have to apply to us all and they have to

01:23:45   be executed fairly I do agree that like

01:23:49   if Banksy is ever complaining about

01:23:51   copyright infringement or people using

01:23:55   his stuff in ways that it shouldn't he

01:23:56   he is an artist that is going to have

01:23:59   less of my sympathy and concern over

01:24:03   something like that

01:24:04   the Louis Goodwin it's AIT's a but not

01:24:06   when it doesn't say yes obviously your

01:24:10   copyright should be protected but I'm

01:24:13   gonna be worried about other things much

01:24:15   higher on the queue my concern over

01:24:17   monkey copyright is way higher than my

01:24:19   concern over Banksy copyright last but

01:24:22   not least cuz you know we like a you

01:24:23   know logos you know we are design

01:24:25   experts

01:24:25   a flag reputation precedes us we are

01:24:28   professional critique errs of many

01:24:30   things Brady this is right

01:24:31   so they've released the official logo

01:24:34   for the 2018 World Chess Championship

01:24:38   you know how I love the World Chess

01:24:39   Championship so I was very excited to

01:24:42   see the logo they had released I want to

01:24:44   know what you think of it and we'll

01:24:46   obviously will link in the show notes

01:24:47   for the teams I mean I'd like to hear

01:24:49   you even try to describe it before you

01:24:50   tell me what you think of it yeah

01:24:52   so how would one describe this game good

01:24:55   luck okay so we'll start with the easy

01:24:58   part imagine a chessboard with a pawn on

01:25:03   it it's a black and white logo to go

01:25:07   with the black and white board the

01:25:09   chessboard is being held by six by six

01:25:13   chessboard I might point out with this

01:25:14   by-the-by cut you know what you're right

01:25:17   I'm so distracted by a few other

01:25:19   features of this logo that I didn't

01:25:21   notice that right away yes the nerds did

01:25:23   vid yes okay so the chessboard is done

01:25:26   incorrectly that's great but the

01:25:28   chessboard is being held by two

01:25:33   nightmare silhouettes of humans that

01:25:37   have checkered or lined patterns on

01:25:42   themselves and they are horribly Mis

01:25:45   proportioned for humans and torsos are

01:25:48   too long their arms are intertwined in a

01:25:53   way that doesn't seem like it would make

01:25:54   sense they're both looking at the

01:25:57   chessboard and directly below the

01:26:01   chessboard the bottom half of both of

01:26:04   their bodies seem to be entwined in a

01:26:08   pornographic matter their legs are

01:26:11   intertwined in a way that is well beyond

01:26:14   a humble hug that's for sure yes you

01:26:16   would want to greet someone like that

01:26:18   yeah this would be an inappropriate

01:26:20   greeting for all but the most intimates

01:26:25   of partners we would have to host a lot

01:26:28   more podcast together before we greet as

01:26:30   each other like that that will never

01:26:32   happen there is no number of podcasts

01:26:35   you can host that will make this

01:26:38   appropriate greedy it has been described

01:26:40   as a Kama Sutra logo tantric sexy the

01:26:44   pun pornographic has been used some

01:26:48   people lover it emits high concept you

01:26:50   know it's real concept art isn't it's

01:26:51   really abstract and you know the people

01:26:54   who love it are wrong art is subjective

01:26:56   but this is not this is ugly and

01:26:59   horrible it is not at the Maryland point

01:27:02   of awfulness it's just terrible and

01:27:06   uncomfortable and if I didn't know

01:27:09   better I would have assumed this was

01:27:10   some kind of joke that this was not real

01:27:13   Drona

01:27:14   god I hope so there was a lot of

01:27:16   complaints about it but I think it might

01:27:18   still be the official Lakers well I mean

01:27:20   if I was on the committee that had

01:27:22   approved this logo so I mean let's let's

01:27:23   imagine that I'm the kind of person who

01:27:25   would approve this logo in the first

01:27:26   place and then the enormous amount of

01:27:28   pushback comes back it's like well as

01:27:30   always my advice is don't negotiate with

01:27:32   terrorists if I was on that logo

01:27:34   committee I would hold strong like nope

01:27:36   this is your logo deal with the people I

01:27:38   think now I'm hearing something where

01:27:40   this is like an alternative logo there

01:27:41   were two different logos it is still a

01:27:44   logo and if we shall logo but there's

01:27:46   another logo as well this is like an

01:27:48   alternative comic book cover that's what

01:27:50   you're saying yeah but I don't know

01:27:51   which came first but I've just seen this

01:27:53   other one on Wikipedia which is the same

01:27:55   kind of look but without the men doing

01:27:58   the sexy sexy intertwined pose hmm this

01:28:03   one also looks like it's got an 8 by 8

01:28:05   chess board this looks like it's the

01:28:06   correction logo but okay so this other

01:28:09   logo that you have sent me is also

01:28:10   terrible oh it's horrendous and now as

01:28:12   opposed to 10 trick people in twine in

01:28:16   an uncomfortable manner now it is just

01:28:19   their arms and hands entwined in an

01:28:22   inappropriate manner so I don't like

01:28:24   this at all I feel like both of these

01:28:28   logos aside from their design are

01:28:30   missing something about chess which is

01:28:33   that like I bet a lot of the people who

01:28:35   are really good at chess they're not

01:28:38   like people people I think they're

01:28:40   people who are really into chess they're

01:28:43   into the abstract mathematical puzzle

01:28:46   like routine like nature of chess

01:28:50   I feel like the logo shouldn't be

01:28:53   covered in all these gross people I feel

01:28:55   like this is exactly the kind of thing

01:28:57   the people who are into chess would not

01:28:59   want in their logo I feel like they

01:29:01   would want the Chess so yeah both of

01:29:05   these are horrible one more horrible

01:29:07   than the other but both no good it's

01:29:09   supposed to be

01:29:11   apparently sort of controversial and

01:29:14   edgy like the host city which is London

01:29:18   how is London and a controversial and

01:29:21   edgy host city it's designed by shuka a

01:29:23   Russian studio he can buy the poster for

01:29:26   45 currencies I'm not sure what currency

01:29:28   I'm looking at it cost 45 something's 45

01:29:31   in traditional black and white the print

01:29:33   is an excellent piece for a poster

01:29:35   collection signed and hand printed on

01:29:37   gallery stock level who's assigned by

01:29:39   the designer and Gaston it's signed by

01:29:41   the surgeon who's replaced your liver

01:29:44   when you get the poster anyway it did

01:29:47   catch my eye and I I just wanted to see

01:29:49   what you thought of it I've got more

01:29:50   design things for you to review in

01:29:51   future episodes but we'll come to that

01:29:53   later thumbs down on this one era that's

01:29:55   pretty terrible okay Brady I have one

01:29:59   piece of news to bring to the table as

01:30:02   well this week and this is yet another

01:30:08   YouTube kerfuffle yep

01:30:10   good old YouTube always making sure to

01:30:14   kick up a fuss in their own very special

01:30:18   ways but the latest of these kerfuffles

01:30:21   is that at some point last year YouTube

01:30:24   introduced this concept that you would

01:30:28   not be able to put advertisements on

01:30:30   your YouTube channel until you had

01:30:33   reached a certain minimum popularity

01:30:35   threshold so it used to be that you

01:30:39   could make a YouTube channel you could

01:30:42   put up YouTube videos but you couldn't

01:30:44   participate in the Adsense program until

01:30:47   you had gotten 1,000 subscribers

01:30:50   yeah and this kicked up a big fuss back

01:30:53   at the time I feel like it was kind of

01:30:56   fine for YouTube to do whatever but so

01:30:59   now here we are and YouTube has turned

01:31:02   up the dial

01:31:04   their requirements here so now the big

01:31:08   barrier that people have to pass is they

01:31:10   need to have a total watch time of 4,000

01:31:14   hours on their channel in the past

01:31:17   twelve months so four thousand human

01:31:21   hours have to have been burned on your

01:31:24   YouTube channel before you are allowed

01:31:26   to put YouTube ads on there without

01:31:28   sounding like an idiot gray or sounding

01:31:30   like I'm humble bragging cuz I'm not is

01:31:32   that a lot

01:31:33   I have no sort of sense as to that if

01:31:35   that's so unreasonably high number or

01:31:37   that's just like you know that's still

01:31:38   pretty attainable for a solid channel

01:31:40   that should be any money well this is

01:31:44   part of it there's one little detail

01:31:45   here before we get to that but it's just

01:31:46   that the other thing that is different

01:31:48   about this change versus the last change

01:31:50   is that YouTube is also making it

01:31:52   retroactive that previously channels had

01:31:56   been grandfathered in if they were not

01:31:57   under the limit but now YouTube has

01:31:59   revoked monetization from channels that

01:32:02   do not hit the 4,000 hour barrier and

01:32:05   that has caused an enormous amount of

01:32:10   discussion around YouTube and YouTube

01:32:14   ruining smaller creators and spoiler

01:32:17   alert I think all of these complaints

01:32:20   are pointless and for nothing the answer

01:32:23   to your question is like is 4,000 hours

01:32:25   a lot there's like two answers to those

01:32:28   questions is like four thousand hours is

01:32:31   a lot for someone who's just making some

01:32:34   random youtube channel and uploading

01:32:36   videos to get like a normal person like

01:32:39   pull a random person off the street and

01:32:41   if you put a gun to their head and said

01:32:43   you need to make a youtube channel it

01:32:44   gets 4000 watch hours like that's

01:32:46   actually a pretty hard task but if you

01:32:48   even are remotely a channel that has any

01:32:53   possibility of doing this in even the

01:32:56   smallest professional way 4000 hours is

01:33:00   a very very small barrier to cross

01:33:04   yeah YouTube's back this up as well with

01:33:06   some of the data they released where

01:33:07   they talked about how something like

01:33:09   ninety or ninety-five percent of all of

01:33:12   the channels that could possibly affect

01:33:14   this had earned

01:33:17   over the entire course of their

01:33:18   existence less than $100 in ad revenue

01:33:21   which is the minimum that YouTube

01:33:24   requires before they'll pay out any of

01:33:26   the advertising revenue so it's like yes

01:33:30   there were YouTube channels that were

01:33:32   earning some money from YouTube that

01:33:34   will no longer be able to do it after

01:33:36   this change but when I was doing some

01:33:39   back of the envelope calculations I mean

01:33:42   we're talking about channels that were

01:33:44   earning like two dollars a month or

01:33:46   three dollars a month and the outpouring

01:33:50   of rage over this has been enormous and

01:33:53   I think it is entirely because YouTube

01:33:56   made maybe a strategic error in taking

01:34:01   away monetization from channels that

01:34:03   already have it I feel like that is what

01:34:06   kicked this up into a big fuss is there

01:34:08   were a bunch of channels that were just

01:34:11   under this barrier and then YouTube says

01:34:13   like oh we're taking away your money and

01:34:14   people flip out because they feel like

01:34:16   but I'm looking at this report here that

01:34:18   says in the past five years I've made

01:34:20   $25 on YouTube YouTube is stealing from

01:34:24   me my $25 and it's like I mean yeah in a

01:34:29   sense they are but I'm not often I like

01:34:34   a super friend of YouTube here but I

01:34:36   feel like this is a big deal out of

01:34:38   nothing and if YouTube wants to tighten

01:34:41   up the rules about what channels can

01:34:42   monetize fine I think it's fine to do I

01:34:46   have had a lot of thoughts about this to

01:34:48   grade and I read I actually read a lot

01:34:49   of the online commenting about this from

01:34:51   the people who are upset by and they

01:34:53   made fair points one of the points is

01:34:56   yeah okay I know it's only a few dollars

01:34:57   but it's really motivating to me and

01:34:59   also it makes me feel included and

01:35:02   things like that that seems to be some

01:35:04   of the main arguments I heard that yeah

01:35:06   I'm not making a living yet but just

01:35:08   seeing those two or three dollars you

01:35:09   know when you're starting out makes a

01:35:11   difference and also yeah this sort of

01:35:13   discrimination and it's really hard for

01:35:16   people like you and I to comment on it

01:35:17   because you know we have quite big

01:35:19   YouTube channels and therefore we're not

01:35:21   affected by it so it's like oh it's easy

01:35:23   for you to say but the thing I kept

01:35:26   thinking about is if like if you're

01:35:27   being I don't know maybe this is too

01:35:29   altruistic sound

01:35:30   naive of me but if you're being

01:35:32   motivated by money at that early stage

01:35:36   then I'm not sure how much hope I hold

01:35:39   for you anyway a lot of the people who

01:35:41   I'm friends with who've gone onto

01:35:43   YouTube because they've thought oh you

01:35:44   can make money on YouTube I never

01:35:45   realized this was a business thing and

01:35:47   have started channels to make money have

01:35:49   always failed

01:35:51   whereas people I know who've made

01:35:53   YouTube channels for other reasons like

01:35:56   you know they had something they wanted

01:35:58   to say they wanted the creative process

01:36:00   and they hoped to be successful or even

01:36:02   like you know ego reasons and they liked

01:36:03   seeing themselves on a screen those

01:36:05   people tend to succeed more anyway and

01:36:08   the thing I kept thinking about was when

01:36:09   I started making YouTube videos

01:36:12   I don't think monetization existed when

01:36:14   I first started it wouldn't have yeah

01:36:16   because I started later than you and it

01:36:17   had just begun

01:36:18   I remember getting an email or a message

01:36:21   from YouTube saying do you want to sign

01:36:23   up for this program where you can get

01:36:25   money for your video is like a share of

01:36:27   the ad content I honestly thought it was

01:36:30   a joke I thought I thought it was a

01:36:32   prank or a trap someone was trying to

01:36:34   get my credit card details or something

01:36:36   I'd been making videos for ages and

01:36:38   getting a lot of pleasure from it and

01:36:39   starting to have success and I didn't

01:36:42   even think I could make money from I

01:36:43   wasn't even thinking like that and I

01:36:45   think it's really interesting the way

01:36:47   there is a sense of entitlement from

01:36:51   people I mean I don't love you to bother

01:36:54   but they do create this amazing platform

01:36:56   and opportunity for people to reach

01:36:57   audiences and this technology to host

01:36:59   all this video they do supply something

01:37:01   and she's fair enough when you get

01:37:04   bigger and you start making YouTube

01:37:05   money you should get a cut of that pie

01:37:07   but in the early stages when you're not

01:37:10   actually making YouTube money and you're

01:37:12   taking advantage of this fabulous

01:37:14   opportunity where you could make money

01:37:16   in the future and in the meantime you've

01:37:18   got access to this platform I find it

01:37:20   interesting how entitled these people

01:37:22   sound like how dare you not let me have

01:37:24   2 or 3 dollars like ok how would you

01:37:27   feel if YouTube started charging you to

01:37:29   use the platform I do hear the other

01:37:32   side of the argument but I do think they

01:37:34   sound a little bit entitled for such a

01:37:36   small amount of money and if if you

01:37:39   can't get to 4 thousand hours on that

01:37:41   then and you're not going to make much

01:37:42   money then

01:37:43   I feel like you'll get rewarded if you

01:37:45   could enough anyway I did think it was

01:37:47   interesting that said I don't really

01:37:50   care that much the thing I found more

01:37:52   interesting was all the people debating

01:37:55   what was going on and why were YouTube

01:37:57   doing this and how little it was

01:37:59   attached to the ad pocalypse like the

01:38:02   link between this and the ad pocalypse

01:38:03   seemed to be lost and i i heard all

01:38:06   these debates and conversations and

01:38:07   forums saying what are they doing why

01:38:09   they're doing it it's so unfair I hardly

01:38:11   heard people talking about that and I

01:38:12   think it's entirely related to that yeah

01:38:14   I assume it's related as well that what

01:38:17   they previously had done they realized

01:38:19   they hadn't quite set the threshold high

01:38:21   enough yeah so they couldn't filter out

01:38:23   these these channels with ten views that

01:38:25   get screenshotted by The Times and then

01:38:27   make them look stupid yeah and I suspect

01:38:30   that because the previous threshold was

01:38:32   based entirely on subscriber numbers

01:38:33   that that was probably an easier thing

01:38:36   for nefarious channels to fake than

01:38:39   watch time is to just you know create a

01:38:41   bunch of bots that just subscribe to a

01:38:43   channel and now it's monetized YouTube

01:38:44   is pretty on the ball for making sure

01:38:47   that view numbers are as real as they

01:38:50   can make sure that they are so I'm I

01:38:52   imagine that faking watch time is a much

01:38:55   harder thing to do for YouTube channels

01:38:58   two points about what you originally

01:38:59   said though is I do completely agree

01:39:01   with you and I think that there is

01:39:02   something that is invisible to many

01:39:04   users which is the very idea that

01:39:08   YouTube as particularly as a you know

01:39:12   high-definition 4k video hosting

01:39:16   platform the existence of users costs

01:39:20   YouTube money it costs YouTube money in

01:39:23   terms of maintenance and bandwidth and

01:39:26   all of these other things that they have

01:39:27   to do this is one of the reasons why

01:39:29   YouTube has always struggled with

01:39:30   profitability is because it's a site

01:39:33   that is very different from other sites

01:39:35   so like just the existence of the users

01:39:37   does cost it something and I feel like

01:39:40   people are not aware of that and so that

01:39:43   it that is also partly why when someone

01:39:45   says like oh I didn't get my $25 and

01:39:47   YouTube is stealing it from us as Ike

01:39:49   well the YouTube doesn't have the 100

01:39:51   dollar threshold for no reason like

01:39:53   there's all these other logistic

01:39:55   problems that are there so it's a bit

01:39:57   like yeah

01:39:57   the promise of some money but you have

01:40:00   to generate enough to make it worthwhile

01:40:03   to even pay you and I think people don't

01:40:06   quite understand that concept but I will

01:40:10   disagree with you about the idea of the

01:40:12   money motivation I thought you would

01:40:14   yeah I thought you might suspect that I

01:40:16   would but like I do have to say because

01:40:18   when I started on YouTube as well when I

01:40:20   first put up the first few videos that

01:40:22   the monetization program did not exist

01:40:23   and when it came around I got an email

01:40:28   like a week after my UK video went up

01:40:30   where at that point YouTube was simply

01:40:33   trialing monetization and they were

01:40:35   still doing it on an approved video

01:40:37   basis so that video had gone in front of

01:40:41   some human who then sent me an email

01:40:43   saying would you like this video to be

01:40:46   included in the monetization program and

01:40:48   my later videos you know didn't get in

01:40:51   front of a human to be monetized and so

01:40:54   for the first while I was earning very

01:40:57   very little money from YouTube but I

01:41:01   will say that like I find the argument

01:41:03   that it's motivating to see the money

01:41:06   grow is compelling because I for sure

01:41:09   know that that was the case with me and

01:41:12   there is a way in which it's like oh I

01:41:15   earned $5.00 this week like how can I

01:41:18   crank that up to ten dollars and it is

01:41:22   motivating to see that happen but my

01:41:29   asterisk to that point though is I feel

01:41:31   like the context in which I was

01:41:33   originally doing that is very different

01:41:35   whereas now everybody knows that YouTube

01:41:39   is a platform where if you become

01:41:41   popular you can earn money from it it's

01:41:44   just a known thing whereas I feel like

01:41:46   it was different from me when I was

01:41:48   getting started because it was so much

01:41:50   more uncertain like I didn't know

01:41:52   anybody could make a living off of

01:41:53   YouTube when I was trying to make those

01:41:55   numbers go up so I feel like if someone

01:41:58   is saying like oh the money is really

01:42:00   motivating it's like but yes we all know

01:42:02   that if you are popular on YouTube you

01:42:05   can make money from I feel like knowing

01:42:08   that chain

01:42:09   is the play a little bit and so I'm

01:42:11   again I'm a farm fine with you two

01:42:12   putting in this 4,000 hour limit because

01:42:16   people know that if they can get above

01:42:18   that they can start earning some money

01:42:20   like obviously I hear what you're saying

01:42:22   great and like I know different people

01:42:25   are motivated by different things but

01:42:27   now that the money side of YouTube is

01:42:28   such a known thing as you say everyone

01:42:30   knows that if you get big you can earn

01:42:32   money yeah I feel like there's already

01:42:34   enough metrics and gamification of

01:42:37   YouTube there in those early stages

01:42:39   there are enough things that you can

01:42:40   crank up and try to get beyond knowing

01:42:43   that the money's coming like you're

01:42:44   watching 100% I agree oh that's already

01:42:47   there for people I agree with you that's

01:42:49   why I'm saying I feel like it's

01:42:50   different I feel like you don't need to

01:42:52   see that you earned a couple of dollars

01:42:55   this week because everybody understands

01:42:57   now the concept of subscribers and the

01:43:00   views and the watch that's a like you

01:43:01   have enough things to work I mean you

01:43:03   could have a watch time here's your

01:43:04   countdown to monetization just 500 more

01:43:07   hours of watch time and you can monetize

01:43:09   yeah I completely agree I think that the

01:43:11   money argument is the most compelling

01:43:13   but I don't think it's compelling enough

01:43:16   because of the concept of people can

01:43:19   make a living on YouTube and people see

01:43:21   that and I came across a thing which I

01:43:24   feel like made me so sad with the world

01:43:27   but it's also so obvious which was

01:43:30   survey of kids in high school and like

01:43:32   what do they want to be when they grow

01:43:33   up and YouTube vlogger was the number

01:43:37   one buy some astonishing margin and it's

01:43:41   like it's not surprising but also made

01:43:45   me hugely depressed and do you think

01:43:49   it's really interesting that there

01:43:52   exists now enough people on YouTube who

01:43:54   are making a living at it who for

01:43:58   essentially all of their teenage life

01:44:00   they have grown up with the idea that

01:44:02   this is a thing that people can do and

01:44:05   they have set out very intentionally to

01:44:09   do that so I feel like there's enough

01:44:11   motivation in the world for people to

01:44:14   try to do this kind of thing and the

01:44:15   barrier that YouTube is putting up is

01:44:17   not any kind of barrier if you are going

01:44:20   to achieve

01:44:22   any kind of financial success on YouTube

01:44:24   the other thing that the people aren't

01:44:27   realizing in my opinion is that this

01:44:31   could be for their own good like if this

01:44:33   is to mitigate some of the ad pocalypse

01:44:35   problems of ads being served against

01:44:37   content that you don't want to see ads

01:44:40   next to because of such bad PR then this

01:44:44   could save them I know that you've

01:44:46   always had more of an attitude that the

01:44:48   financial factors will win out and just

01:44:52   advertisers wanting to advertise on

01:44:54   online video because that's where the

01:44:55   eyeballs are will always win out and the

01:44:57   ad pocalypse maybe we shouldn't panic

01:44:58   about but I'm getting more and more

01:45:00   worried about it because the pressure

01:45:02   that's being brought to bear is not just

01:45:05   on advertisers now it's on legislators

01:45:08   and politicians and we've got people

01:45:10   like the prime ministers at Davos as

01:45:12   we're recording at the moment and one of

01:45:14   the things she's going to give a speech

01:45:15   about is whether or not the UK should

01:45:16   introduce legislation to do with content

01:45:19   on YouTube and things like that and if

01:45:22   laws introduced then like market forces

01:45:27   aren't the only problem and if they make

01:45:30   bad laws you know I think we're in a lot

01:45:34   of peril at the moment yeah I'm unaware

01:45:37   of them the politicians have been leaned

01:45:39   on by all these newspaper articles and

01:45:41   just to shut up the newspapers they're

01:45:43   beginning to mumble about okay maybe

01:45:44   we'll make laws when politicians make

01:45:46   bad laws then you have got problems yeah

01:45:49   laws are the opposite of markets in many

01:45:52   ways but I feel like what happened with

01:45:55   sort of ad pocalypse version 2 which was

01:45:58   all the stuff around kid content like

01:46:00   that's what kicked it off into

01:46:03   politician Minds is who you know it

01:46:06   always wins votes protecting children

01:46:08   protecting children wins votes because

01:46:11   who wants to be against protecting

01:46:13   children I'm not aware of any of the

01:46:15   political maneuvers but boy I do not

01:46:18   like the sound of that one tiny bit and

01:46:21   I agree that is vastly more of a concern

01:46:24   about what does youtube look like in the

01:46:28   future if the UK or other countries

01:46:30   start introducing poorly thought out

01:46:33   over

01:46:34   protective you know content laws and

01:46:38   requirements around videos on the

01:46:40   internet there big debate at the moment

01:46:42   is whether or not YouTube should be

01:46:43   regulated like television use and

01:46:45   controls over what's allowed and not

01:46:47   allowed at that more stringent level

01:46:49   YouTube's like obviously lobbying

01:46:51   against that but yeah I mean obviously I

01:46:54   think it shouldn't be I presume that you

01:46:56   would think that it shouldn't be

01:46:57   although I don't want to speak on your

01:46:58   behalf

01:46:59   no I think it's really dangerous I'm

01:47:02   kind of curious though like as someone

01:47:03   who has worked in TV like can you

01:47:05   articulate why you think there's a

01:47:07   difference between YouTube and TV

01:47:09   because I mean I think someone can make

01:47:11   the argument that's like well it all

01:47:13   comes through your iPhone now and

01:47:15   they're just apps and you know what's

01:47:17   what's the difference now right like I

01:47:25   think that's that's an argument that

01:47:26   doesn't have an immediately obviously

01:47:29   good answer as new

01:47:30   like why is Netflix different from TV

01:47:34   like well it comes over the internet

01:47:36   it's like well your TV comes over the

01:47:38   Internet's Netflix is probably more

01:47:39   heavily regulated to then I don't know I

01:47:42   feel like your Netflix is regulated in

01:47:43   the sense that it is a gatekeeper that

01:47:45   is producing and selecting content right

01:47:47   whereas YouTube is the Wild West right I

01:47:49   find a hard to give reasons I mean I can

01:47:51   see why you can do it to TV and radio

01:47:54   because they're using like public

01:47:56   spectrum and they've licensed public

01:47:57   spectrum and therefore I can see how

01:47:59   you've got a toehold into saying we can

01:48:01   regulate you because you're using

01:48:02   something the public owns because the

01:48:04   public owns the spectrum whereas no one

01:48:07   owns the internet pipes yeah in terms of

01:48:09   the rationale for I find difficult to

01:48:12   answer yeah

01:48:13   why can you upload something really

01:48:15   offensive to YouTube but you can't

01:48:16   broadcast on TV I find that hard to

01:48:19   answer my personal answer to something

01:48:20   like that would be that YouTube because

01:48:23   it is individuals uploading stuff it's a

01:48:26   lot closer to the end of people talking

01:48:29   right it's like yeah humans talking and

01:48:32   so if you say that this is oh we're

01:48:35   going to regulate this like it's

01:48:36   television well it would be kind of

01:48:39   crazy to say oh the government is going

01:48:41   to come in and going to regulate

01:48:42   conversations between people and so I

01:48:45   feel like that that's one of the things

01:48:46   that is the difference

01:48:48   is it's like if someone uploads of like

01:48:51   a silly video to Facebook you wouldn't

01:48:54   like oh but they have all the

01:48:55   responsibilities that BBC you know

01:48:58   Channel - yes it's just not the same

01:49:01   thing because it's produced by an

01:49:03   individual but I can see where many

01:49:06   parents from their perspective it all

01:49:09   might seem like oh it's just TV like

01:49:11   it's all just shows and stuff and

01:49:13   YouTube is just one channel like Netflix

01:49:16   is one channel like anything else is one

01:49:19   channel and then if that is the message

01:49:21   that gets sent to politicians is like

01:49:22   well time to regulate this stuff yeah

01:49:24   that is not a good piece of news that

01:49:25   you have brought to me Brady yeah maybe

01:49:27   I think the other unfortunate thing

01:49:29   about the timing of this YouTube thing

01:49:31   was I think I just coincidentally had

01:49:34   this proximity to this Logan poll

01:49:37   controversy so people think it's very

01:49:39   tied in with that mm I think it's not so

01:49:42   tied in with that I think that logan

01:49:44   poll thing was like a one-off incident

01:49:46   but it was so high-profile that people

01:49:49   are forgetting that the bigger problem

01:49:50   is this more insidious long-term

01:49:53   campaign being run by legacy media was

01:49:57   the YouTube monetization I thought that

01:49:58   was announced before the Logan Paul

01:50:00   thing but maybe not maybe was announced

01:50:01   after I don't know but I feel like I

01:50:03   sort of they've all become a bit

01:50:04   intertwined now and people have lost the

01:50:07   thread a bit over where the root danger

01:50:10   is yeah it just becomes a big mush in

01:50:12   people's heads like oh there's problems

01:50:15   on YouTube let's step in and try to fix

01:50:17   the problems on YouTube I feel like

01:50:19   there's mostly no problem but okay yeah

01:50:22   well anyway I'm sorry if your channel

01:50:25   lost monetization but I don't think it's

01:50:27   a big I wish they hadn't done it to

01:50:29   those people because they're good people

01:50:30   and I want them to be happy but I think

01:50:33   they're overly worried and if they're

01:50:35   good enough and I hope they are good

01:50:36   enough then they'll be fine in no time

01:50:38   and and hopefully what's being done is

01:50:41   for their greater good - and keeps the

01:50:42   platform flush yeah I wish they hadn't

01:50:45   done it I would be happy if YouTube did

01:50:47   a more tiered system as part of their

01:50:50   auction and they could say like Oh

01:50:51   videos start out in the total wild west

01:50:54   and if you want to bid on videos out

01:50:56   there you totally can but we're you know

01:50:57   we're making

01:50:58   no claims at all about what that content

01:50:59   is but obviously YouTube has decided not

01:51:01   to go that direction so at least I'm

01:51:04   sure we can know that from this point

01:51:07   out it's all been sorted and it's going

01:51:10   to be nothing but smooth sailing and

01:51:12   clear communication from here on out

01:51:15   with YouTube the ships in good hands

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01:53:47   don't know as a meta comment I feel very

01:53:49   differently about it this year because

01:53:51   like when we first talked about black

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01:53:59   this time when I go to watch it like

01:54:00   it's boom it's all over Netflix and they

01:54:02   put up this big Netflix original banner

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01:54:06   because it clearly shows the Netflix

01:54:08   doesn't make they put under that but

01:54:10   yeah I feel like black mirror has really

01:54:11   exploded across the world and so we've

01:54:14   gotten a ton of feedback about watching

01:54:16   the episodes and yeah they do sometimes

01:54:19   hit some hello Internet II themes I

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01:54:40   or something yeah USS Callister let's

01:54:41   just say that let's go with that I've

01:54:47   watched it twice oh wow yeah I watched

01:54:49   it three hours ago and I watched it and

01:54:51   then my wife came home and said you

01:54:52   should watch this and I showed it to her

01:54:54   okay so we are we are about to talk

01:54:56   about the first episode of the fourth

01:54:58   season

01:54:58   so obviously spoilers starts right now

01:55:03   so you've watched it twice Brady what do

01:55:05   you think of a half I will say that I

01:55:10   liked it quite a lot mm-hmm

01:55:12   there was one gaping problem with it

01:55:15   which I was willing to suspend and put

01:55:17   to one side although was in my mind a

01:55:19   lot I bet I can guess what there was

01:55:20   okay yeah and there were two things

01:55:24   I liked a lot about it and one thing

01:55:28   that I liked about it and one thing I

01:55:34   didn't like so much about in addition to

01:55:36   the gaping hole but thumbs up I enjoyed

01:55:38   watching her it was a good use of my

01:55:40   time you go what do you think I'm gonna

01:55:43   have a bit of a backup and like a meta

01:55:45   commentary here for a moment because I

01:55:47   get I haven't seen the rest of the

01:55:48   season so I don't know what that is like

01:55:50   but having watched this first episode I

01:55:52   feel like there is one black mirror

01:55:56   story and I think there's about three

01:55:59   and then just keep recycling those three

01:56:01   but there's one main one and the main

01:56:04   one is the world is not as it seems you

01:56:08   like you you are in a simulation or

01:56:10   something along those lines you are in a

01:56:13   simulation or you are not able to

01:56:15   perceive the world directly as it is and

01:56:19   we're getting a bunch of variations on

01:56:21   that theme and I have to also say I feel

01:56:24   like I'm okay with that I don't mind

01:56:27   that but what I found myself thinking a

01:56:29   lot was I was thinking of the hero's

01:56:31   journey in movies famously Star Wars

01:56:35   follows this and many other movies

01:56:37   follow this same kind of story arc that

01:56:43   happens over and over again where you

01:56:46   have like a normal person and they go

01:56:49   through phases with these romantic names

01:56:51   it's like you're a normal person just

01:56:52   living your life then there's an

01:56:54   inciting incident there's the call to an

01:56:57   adventure you as the main character

01:56:59   refuse the adventure and there's all of

01:57:01   these different steps and there are

01:57:04   definitely times and I've been watching

01:57:06   a movie where I realize like oh this is

01:57:07   the hero's journey I know the beats that

01:57:09   this story is going to take but if a

01:57:12   movie does that well it doesn't really

01:57:14   matter because you know human brains are

01:57:18   such as they are so that they are

01:57:21   structured to enjoy certain kinds of

01:57:24   stories and that's fine it's not like

01:57:28   everything has to be totally different

01:57:30   because if you just explode in every

01:57:33   possible direction that branching tree

01:57:35   doesn't have interesting stories along

01:57:37   every pop

01:57:38   simple way all right there needs to be

01:57:39   some kind of conflict some kind of

01:57:42   resolution if you are writing a good

01:57:44   story you are reincorporating earlier

01:57:47   elements there's all of these very many

01:57:48   things and I feel like maybe it started

01:57:52   with the matrix as the first mainstream

01:57:54   version of this but I do think in the

01:57:57   modern world this story that you are in

01:58:04   a simulated world is a kind of new

01:58:09   fundamental story in the modern age and

01:58:13   I feel like this is a story that you're

01:58:15   going to see a million variations on in

01:58:19   lots of different ways and what matters

01:58:22   is was this variation done well it's not

01:58:26   like oh here we go it's a simulation

01:58:29   again you could go oh here we go it's a

01:58:32   hero's journey again like I've seen this

01:58:34   a thousand times like oh I bet that

01:58:36   meant or introducing you to the new

01:58:38   world is going to die in about the

01:58:41   middle of act 2 right as like yeah this

01:58:43   happens all the time because that's how

01:58:45   these stories work and it's fine yeah so

01:58:47   that's my medic commentary on it like

01:58:49   there's one black mirror story but I'm

01:58:52   okay with that and our black mirror

01:58:54   episodes enjoyable I'm gonna say they're

01:58:57   not really enjoyable yeah but it was it

01:59:00   was a good episode but I feel like this

01:59:03   one got a little bit shaky

01:59:06   on the one black mirror story so I liked

01:59:10   it it was effective in making me feel

01:59:12   anxiety throughout the duration of

01:59:14   watching which I feel like is what black

01:59:15   mirror is going for was it their best

01:59:18   the world is a simulation story not by a

01:59:22   lot but I was glad to watch it like I

01:59:24   felt like it was time well spent but

01:59:27   there there are a few things that I feel

01:59:29   like detracted from this episode cool

01:59:31   okay so could do a brief set up and

01:59:34   guess what your main problem is so okay

01:59:36   the setup for this episode of black

01:59:38   mirror is that it's the near future as

01:59:41   all of these episodes are and there is a

01:59:44   game company that's making a new version

01:59:47   of their fancy multiplayer online

01:59:50   universe

01:59:52   and at this company the chief technical

01:59:55   officer a very fat Matt Damon who's

01:59:59   looking