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I have this vision of something that
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aesthetically looks vaguely like image
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capture where it's basically like a big
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table of here's a little preview of the
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image here's maybe a couple pieces of
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data about it and then here's where we
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think it should end up do you want to
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commit all these changes or like tweak a
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couple things and then there'll be
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basically the Big Green Go button
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that'll actually do it whereas right now
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it just goes immediately and it's
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copying it's not moving so in theory
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it's non-destructive but it would be
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nice to be able to say oh actually that
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definitely is not right let's tweak that
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you know what I mean and so who knows
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maybe in my copious spare time I'll be
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able to write my first Mac GUI app we'll
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see but I'll tell you one thing that is
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ten thousand times more work than making
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like the shell script version oh yes
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like like I I've had similar thoughts
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about you know I should really like
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polish up sidetrack and and make a
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little gooey forest people can like drag
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in their files and take like which
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channel should go where and output this
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the you know undrafted files whatever
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and it like even that that's just like
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especially like now I don't know like
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from forecast and like it's it's so much
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work it like gooeys are so much harder
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to make and like and especially like
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it's one thing if you just want a GUI
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but if you want a good one
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that's very differently if you want like
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a nice Mac app or even like a passably
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decent Mac app like forecast is not a
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nice Mac app it's it's at best like an
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okay passable back app but that's fine
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you know that's you know that I don't
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it's not worth investing you know tons
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and tons of my time into it to make it
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like a great Mac app you know what
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you're talking about like that's that's
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a pretty dramatic increase in the
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workload for this per 100 percent yeah
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yeah and especially especially if you
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don't really need the GUI like this was
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like sidetrack I don't need the GUI for
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sidetrack I call it in my in my giant
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shell scripts that process my site in my
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podcasts and you know someone like Jason
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Snell uses it and he I believe he made a
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automated workflow to use it so he can
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use it kind of kind of in a graphical
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way at least but like a lot like I just
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use it through shell scripts so I don't
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need it so what like it's one of the
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things I would love to do it someday but
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I'm probably never going to because it's
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probably not worth it you know this is
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the kind of thing like if you don't need
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this GUI you're talking about like now
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taking this nice
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small but you know script basically that
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works great for you now you're talking
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about making into a product basically
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like you're talking about the amount of
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work necessary to make it into a product
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for lots of people and then you have to
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deal with you know do you want to
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release that because it once you put in
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all that much of work you probably might
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as well release it then it's a big thing
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then you got to support it or even if
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it's not even if it's free or even as
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open-source you still got to deal with
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people's you know emails and questions
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and pull requests if it's open source
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and everything like you it basically
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dramatically broadens the scope of this
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project from a shell script that works
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for you to this product basically yeah
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and I agree with you I think the thing
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is though that if even if I GUI if I'd
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it if you will it would be the world's
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most ugly user interface because it
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would be intended just for me and at
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most I suspect I would open-source it
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like I'm not saying I'm going to but I'm
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saying with this hypothetical GUI on top
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of it maybe I would open-source it but I
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don't think I would ever like properly
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release it but to that end you're still
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right like I would then feel guilty
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about ignoring all the pull requests
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that I would end up ignoring and I would
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be I would feel guilty about ignoring
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all the issues I'd be ignoring no matter
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how much I said this is really made just
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for me and it's not intended for anyone
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else to use it inevitably somebody else
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would be like oh I should use this but
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now I want something new you know and or
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it didn't work on this one file right
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exactly exactly so this is why I don't
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mean this in like a I don't mean to be
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like an antagonist I don't mean to be
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antagonistic about it just these are all
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the reasons why I don't plan to release
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it because no matter how much I caveat
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no matter how much I say look this was
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written just for me this code I know
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it's garbage but I was it was quick and
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dirty just get it to work like no matter
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how much you say that nobody ever really
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and truly understands it and so it's
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just a it's just a waste of time to
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release this in any capacity even with a
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GUI but and the plus side though that
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means it could be the world's ugliest
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world's worst GUI and it would be okay
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because it would be literally just for
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me like github has changed just a little
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bit introduced and very important modern
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developer skill which is the ability to
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put source code up on
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on github and your under your github
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account and then feel zero guilts for
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ignoring it for the only reason you're
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putting it there is to have a convenient
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storage place so when you need to get
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that shell script on some new Mac that
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you're setting up for we're like
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basically using github as hosting and as
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version control for yourself and hosting
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for yourself and with no intention of
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ever looking at the issues or ever
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answering anyone's questions about
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anything or caring how many people
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forked or like because I see a lot of
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that people have personal projects in
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github that it's so clear that they're
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just using it as like their their git
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remote and communion hosting that's it
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and I'm maybe you you know you said
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you'd feel guilty about or whatever but
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like I think that getting over that and
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eventually getting the discipline to
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reframe the problem in that way can be
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slightly freeing because I think there
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is a benefit to not to having that
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source code like someplace else and to
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have it hosted even just as a single
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user I mean I go you can just make it
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private like a why even make a puzzle
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you could have and make a prep but this
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I know this goes against what I just
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said but every once in a while someone
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will do a convenient pull request or
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find a bug and you can just click a
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button and accept their thing and your
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program got better and you didn't have
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to do anything
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it may be super rare that that happens
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maybe it's once every three years but
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you know I don't know I I just feel like
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that's a that's a good thing to be able
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to do because I feel bad about all like
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because every we all have like piles of
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crap code like on our local computers
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for various purposes and I feel bad
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about all that I somehow I think I'd
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feel better if that crap code was like
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up on a public github page for some poor
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person to stumble across and do with
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it's time to return to Marcos vinyl
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corner oh no I forgot I forgot my own
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joke mark was vinyl Ark so in the last
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episode of Marcos vinyl Ark where I was
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discussing you know getting this
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turntable and enjoying it and he just
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needed one more turntable and you will
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finally arrived Oh cuz I have a
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microphone you may be oversubscribed in
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the microphone Department yeah anyway
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part of might be appeal what I like
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about it is that it is kind of the anti
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technology that it you just like you put
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on you manually take your hands you put
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a piece of physical media on a player
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that plays it in almost the most basic
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analog way possible like it's it's
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ridiculous how
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basic this technology really is at
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Hardin and how little it's really doing
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and so and I really enjoyed you know not
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only like the anti tech part of it of
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just like being so simple and not
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relying on things like crappy spotty
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voice assistance not relying on Wi-Fi or
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people's weird you know Network stuff or
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you know services or gated communities
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or whatever else just a single purpose
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device you put music on to it and it
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plays and then you get to listen to the
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music and you don't get to you don't get
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to like mess with the music you don't
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get to like skip around super easy or
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room it was no different and before the
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songs even finished yet like we so often
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do with the echo like you have to like
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sit and enjoy it slowly and and that is
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there's a lot of advantages to that
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builds character you might say okay but
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you know as as John rightfully pointed
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out you know you don't need a vinyl
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player to do that you know you can you
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can use like a CD play or an iPod or
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cassette deck or an eight-track if those
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still exist like you can use lots of
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things that can only play music you know
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it's in the more modern way I didn't
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want to just buy an iPod because a that
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that introduces too much choice again
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because then it's like okay now like
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part of it part of what I like about the
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vinyl situation is that it forces me to
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really narrow down what albums I
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actually want to buy like what albums
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are good enough that I actually want
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this giant square sitting in a bookshelf
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indefinitely yeah so so that's you know
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that's that's one angle and also when I
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when I when I want to place music it's
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nice to have restricted choice when you
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have like a cylinder you can speak into
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and you can just name anything in all of
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music and it will start playing that's
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act you know that's nice in certain
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contexts you know it's nice to be able
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to just call up any song if you if you
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want to hear it but if you just want to
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like put something on in the background
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or put something on to like listen to to
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you know chill out on the couch for a
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while or something I find that I'm
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almost paralyzed by the choice of that
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and and I often will just call up the
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same things over and over
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because I just can't think of anything
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else you know off the top of my head you
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know I don't have that kind of whatever
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kind of like creativity of the mind lets
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people like you know call things up or
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create new ideas out of nothing I've
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never really had that like I need like a
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prompt you know I I joked on the show a
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long time ago that I'm not a salad power
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user weren't you when you go to it like
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one of those Trinity salad places and
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like I want a list of presets and I get
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to choose from the presets and maybe do
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some like customization from the salad
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but I really like I just want presets to
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choose from and so one thing I like also
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about the final situation is that when I
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want to go play something I can look
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through the like you know roughly I
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think I have about 20 albums now I can
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look through like the 20 albums and and
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just say look these are one let's do
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right now by Nature they're it's all
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stuff I like you know because we bought
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them so like it's not like I don't have
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to look through every artist ever in the
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history of the world I can I'm already
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looking at stuff I like and I'd be fine
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putting them pretty much any of them and
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you know I'll see what I'm like oh yeah
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let's put on that one but I wouldn't
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have thought to call it up if I if I
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were just given a prompt by voice and I
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go what do you want to listen to I don't
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know so that part's nice as well the
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system is gonna fall apart when you've
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purchased your first 7,000 albums have a
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section of your stacks and stacks of
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them and now you've just recreated your
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iPod in physical form right okay so
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anyway the thing like you know remember
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record collections when we were when I
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was a kid and maybe you remembered well
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like people would fill their houses with
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these things yeah my dad has one yeah in
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fact we we actually we didn't in my in
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my house growing up we had our upstairs
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was it was just like the the three
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bedrooms in the bathroom arranged like
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basically in a giant square with like a
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little tiny like hexagonal hallway in
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the middle that it wasn't even like a
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long hallway it was like a little like
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hexagonal landing basically with like a
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door to each of the rooms and that's it
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and there was nowhere in the house where
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my mom could store her massive record
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collection so in that tiny little
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hallway were just like for like like
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milk crate type baskets filled with
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records and so basically my entire
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childhood growing up I would all the
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stub my toe on these giant boxes of
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vinyl that were sitting in in the
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hallway to our house that I walked
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through constantly it was like squeeze
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between two of them to walk into
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door in my bedroom like yeah big pain in
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the butt anyway
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I'm really enjoying the vinyl however
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there are a couple of limitations
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obviously one of them as John mentioned
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before is that you get like five minutes
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of play time before it flip it over
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especially on these new audiophile
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masters where they take a right they
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take like one album that's on if it's on
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CD it's on one CD but if it's on vinyl
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they split it onto four sides like - two
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discs four sides each one with like
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three songs at best so that's kind of a
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pain and and that that isn't even for
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length reasons like there's these giant
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black gaps in the middle of anyway so
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that's that's a minor pain but one of
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the more you know glaring limitations of
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this is that this only works for albums
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that are available on vinyl and not
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everything and not even just fished not
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everything is available on vinyl that I
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want to listen to in this fashion
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I would like something that I can just
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you know take some kind of physical
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media that it can be in some kind of
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small collection like what I have with
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it with the records and put it into a
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player and have it just start playing
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and to remove all the abilities I have
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with you know a voice assistant whose
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yell across the room to have a change to
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make it not that easy to even like skip
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a song because I actually kind of like
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being forced to listen to all the songs
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that I mentioned last time like I've
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always been a full album listener like I
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don't I don't I don't use shuffle or
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anything we always listen to fill out
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obviously one thing I could do is just
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get a CD player and just get CDs cuz CDs
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cost nothing like if you go on Amazon
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and look to buy used CDs any album you
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want you can buy in a used CD for like
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50 cents plus $4 shipping so I think
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they basically cost nothing and I also
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put I also thought like you know there's
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I also kind of want the ability to make
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my own like maybe certain albums that
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aren't even available on CD or like
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certain like fish shows I want to like
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have a whole show or so you know or like
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a band like the Beatles where I like a
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lot of Beatles songs but I don't like
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any of their albums well enough to play
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them straight through or things like the
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the two Glee Mountains by The Avett
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Brothers
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they're both EPS I would like to have
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that be one
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long CD that's the length of an album
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because they're really good but you know
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it's two very short EPS so anyway so I
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wanted some degree of customizability
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physical media and a way to play it
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where I could literally just put it in
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not navigate any menus of anything not
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even have like the TV on in living room
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just put it in and it can start playing
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and I can walk away
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so again CDs I think are the most
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obvious solution to this these days any
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CD player that you can find that's at
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all reasonable will also be able to play
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mp3 CDs and so that that blows through
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any kind of length limit you might be
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worried about with single discs the
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downside of CDs is that then I would
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have to have a CD burner on my computer
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all the time like I have to like get out
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a CD burner out of my closet and like
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plug it in and deal with that whenever I
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wanted to create a new one of these so I
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want to see if I could do better in the
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last segment that we talked about this a
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few weeks ago I jokingly said why don't
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I just get something that can play songs
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off of an SD card wouldn't it be cool to
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have like a little box full of SD cards
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because and you can make them like tiny
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little record albums like you could and
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I and so basically I decided
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let me try to actually make something
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that does this there's this entire world
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out there that I have not yet taken part
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in of really small really inexpensive
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hobbyist computer gear led by things
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like the Arduino and Raspberry Pi
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projects and the the more basic stuff
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like the Arduino base stuff I haven't
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used any of it before but like once you
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get into things like wiring things on
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bread boards this is beyond my level of
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expertise and and my level of interest
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honestly I don't really want to get into
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the hardware manipulation side of things
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for the most part like anything that
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involves like you know putting resistors
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on soldering anything or using you know
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little does a little waffle board
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breadboard things like I don't that's
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not for me right now
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the Raspberry Pi on the other hand has a
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bunch of really interesting stuff that
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until I started looking at this I really
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didn't realize quite how much stuff
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there was quite how easy it was to use
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and quite how little at all cost okay
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again like I mentioned before like in
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the Apple ecosystem it's kind of like if
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we spend too much time in Apple world
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it's easy to to miss or to not be aware
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of quite how cheap everything else is
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everywhere else like what you can get
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for like under $50 for almost any type
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of category that's not by Apple like
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it's it's pretty remarkable so I decided
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I'm gonna get a Raspberry Pi and I'm
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gonna try to build an SD card audio
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player I ordered the Raspberry Pi I got
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like the I mean and they're seconds
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there's tons of different ones the
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smallest one is like 10 dollars like
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it's it's ridiculous what you can get I
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got like the the kind of regular one
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which the board is about I think $35 and
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I got a little plastic case for if like
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another ten and a little USB power
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supply for another you know five or ten
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or whatever and it's just a Linux
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computer like it's a little tiny Linux
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computer with a remarkable amount of
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hardware and power like it had for as
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for USB ports HDMI out audio out and
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like in composite video if you need that
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for some reason and Wi-Fi and Ethernet
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all of that and one gig of ram and a
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pretty decent ARM processor all with a
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with an SD card that came with it in
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this bundle package with a micro SD card
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that you know has a pre-loaded
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installation of raspbian it's like yeah
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it's like the the debian variant I think
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of for Raspberry Pi you plug it in and
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like I floated this little tiny HDMI
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monitor I got for my video my fail a
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video career and you plug it you plug in
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any keyboard mouse an HDMI monitor and
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it it comes pre-configured like the SD
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distribution with your settings you give
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then it overwrites itself with the
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distribution that you just picked with
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the Wi-Fi pre-configured like it's it's
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shocking like how good this is and how
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really relatively easy it is to use and
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then I had a Linux computer that was
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ready to go and we're with built-in
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audio built a networking built in USB
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for me to do whatever I wanted with so I
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poked around you know one of the things
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with audio playback that is important to
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so I can't just do like a shell script
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that just like you know calls like
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something like a terminal thing that
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just plays audio synchronously and then
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stops and then goes to the next track
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because a lot of the album's I listen to
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our live albums or they have transitions
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between songs and so a gap between
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everything is you know just kind of it's
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jarring and it's kind of you know
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inelegant and so I want a gapless and it
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turns out there's this great music
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player that's been around forever that
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of course I never knew about because
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I've been in Apple land called MPD music
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player daemon and it does gapless like
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with all with no effort like this stuff
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like this software is really advanced
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idea and it the the Raspberry Pi has an
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SD a microSD slot but that's for its
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disk you can't really use it for
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anything else it has to boot off of that
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so I had to add my own card reader but I
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had like a drawer full of card readers
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and it's I made a shell script that
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would respond to the card being inserted
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via you dev it copies any audio files
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off of that card into a temp directory
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and as it's copying it starts playing
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the first one so it's fast response to
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time and then it unmount the card and if
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you remove the card it stops I gotta say
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it took not that much effort and it
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pretty much works and there's a couple
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of things I did with it that I do want
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to want to touch on but it's kind of
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Awesome like I wish I had like it now
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now I'm just like brainstorming like I
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wish I had more things that I needed
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raspberry pies for because I can't
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believe how good and how easy it is to
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use this stuff and how cheap it all was
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like it kind of ignited in me this like
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this this satisfaction and happiness
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that like oh my god I just made this
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awesome little computer do this crazy
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cool thing that I that I've wanted you
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know it's similar to you know we
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mentioned the earlier like the
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satisfaction of being a programmer me
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being a but I have a computer solve a
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problem for you by writing a script or
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something to do it this this was like
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the hardware version of that like I
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wanted a little SD card player to play
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audio and then in a very simple way and
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I just made one and it wasn't that hard
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because I don't know how to use Linux
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and it like it was really so satisfying
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and such a fun little project you know
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we don't get a lot of fun in the Apple
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world like we got some cool stuff and
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but like they they're not they're not so
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big on fun this is just like a fun
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little thing and it was really nice to
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do very satisfying and I'm just so
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thankful to the world of Linux and open
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source software and these amazing
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hobbyist things like Raspberry Pi and I
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even like I even later spend another $30
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to upgrade the the audio interface in it
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with this company called hifiberry that
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just makes a variety of audio i/o boards
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that just stick right on top of the
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Raspberry Pi using the big the big like
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IO header that's that's on it and they
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sell their own little cases that are a
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little bit taller that fit it it's
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amazing and so I made this awesome
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player now there are certain things that
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didn't go so well
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the the idea of automatically detecting
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an SD card being inserted or removed
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does indeed work from you dev but
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doesn't work all the time it's it
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occasionally it doesn't it gets into a
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state where it stops sending add and
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remove events it only sends change
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events so I have I have a little bit of
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a tweak that I need to do there that
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also seems to vary with which card
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reader I'm using one of them seems to
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work more reliable than the others in
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this regard so I'm just sticking with
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that one it's fine also the I guess
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that's where the only major problem oh
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the other problem is like I assumed that
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it would be really easy to like go on
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eBay and buy large lots of used low
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capacity SD cards for very little money
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because you know if you have like it's a
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copy over an album for or even even if
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you encode it with like a lakh or some
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kind of like large or you know flack so
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we had a large codec that's the only
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gonna be like three hundred Meg's maybe
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and so if you have like a car that's a
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gig or a 512 Meg's that's enough for
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this purpose like you don't need larger
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cards than that so I assumed it'd be
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really easy to just go online and get
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like you know lots of used one gig SD
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cards for like a dollar each or
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something or less it turns out it's not
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so easy I don't know where these all are
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but they're not being sold very very
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often so the best I could do is there's
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a couple of vendors that sell ten pack
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of 16-gig cheap cards for about $5 each
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that's insane
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oh my gosh that's cheap yeah exactly I
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understand it's more than you need like
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I totally get what you're driving at but
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man that's cheap 16 gigs and you're
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gonna put an albums worth of mp3 cards I
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can't find smaller cards or at least or
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like the smaller ones are also $5 each
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so it's like well I might as well get
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the 60 gig for the same price I I
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continue to think that you need to take
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this one step farther and put all of
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your music on the internal very large SD
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card that's part of the Raspberry Pi and
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have the thing that you insert basically
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be an amiibo like it's a series of these
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little chips they don't even have to
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have electronics in them they just need
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to have some sort of little code that
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says please play this track that you
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already have on your internal SD card
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that's what you need
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well I bring certain other options so
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you know one option would be like I
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think one of the coolest options would
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be you get one of the little camera
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modules for it and you just show it like
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a little card I'll show it your album
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hold up the vinyl album to it but you
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know a lot of things or things that
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aren't available on final so I'm
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thinking like you know you basically get
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like a little like had like a little
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like card file of like index cards
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nergis like printed album art I just
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hold it up and have it recognize it
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oh wait I've got an idea how about you
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just hook up a microphone then you could
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say what song you wanted to play and it
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would play it Wow
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oh did I ruin it yep a little bit yeah
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good hobby thing would like I just keep
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thinking of these little cards little
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cards I feel like you should maybe get
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some of that spray the Nintendo uses for
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the switch cartridges I'm not sure like
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no small children in your house eat your
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music and just think of what else you
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could do with that spray I mean I know
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hops isn't a cure but you know no he's
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not also and so and I also considered
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others so one thing I considered when I
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was battling you dev for reliability and
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I was thinking like oh hey maybe you
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know that if the problem is that the SD
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card readers aren't reliably telling you
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to have sometimes when things are added
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and removed maybe the solution is to
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either use compact flash cards which I
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didn't I didn't go down that path at
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least not yet and because eventually
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you'd have calmed down
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but I also thought like what about cheap
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little USB sticks like you know your
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thumb drives and because those are their
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own USB complete USB devices so they
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should be more reliable at telling the
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system but then you have to try to put
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them in three times every time you want
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exactly yeah that's that's one and also
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they're just kind of ugly and clunky but
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I did look and they have about the same
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pricing you can get like the those kind
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that you get at every conference ever
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they have like the big flip around metal
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cover like they like swivels around the
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plastic insert like everyone's seen
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these and you can get them printed with
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your logo and everything those cost
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about the same like a few dollars each
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is roughly where your what those costs
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like these are fine solutions and it
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depends on how many of these cards or
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things I intend to have but they're fun
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you know it's I'm probably not going to
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do a whole lot the other downside I
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found with with the SD cards is I had
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this great image in my mind of like you
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know having these wonderful like little
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labels I could that I could print the
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album art onto a label that fits the SD
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card and I'd be able to like flick
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through my little like box of SD cards
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and be able to look at like tiny little
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versions of what the record would look
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like if it was tiny and rectangular and
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I even got the right size labels it
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there there are point 75 by one inch and
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buy and they come in sheets by Avery and
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they're printable but the print quality
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on them is so bad like I have an inkjet
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and a laser and I tried them both and
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they both look horrendous printing on
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these and they're really hard to align
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and oh and also when you put a label on
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an SD card and then put into SD card
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it doesn't fit as well with the rest of
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this project I feel like you should hire
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some sort of artisan who lives in
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Portland to use a single hairbrush to
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hand paint to each one of your things
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onto the SD card yeah like people do
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these sculptures with with like graphite
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from a pencil oh yeah absolutely yeah
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thank and one of those people to do it
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I'll do it for you anyway this has been
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a fun project ultimately I think the
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better solution to all of this is
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probably just a CD burner so I'm really
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I'm really glad I did it
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but and it'll work sometimes but but I
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think I think a CD burner is actually
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the better solution to this problem
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because I can put it right into my
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blu-ray player and it just starts
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playing and I don't need to turn the TV
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on so I I like that problem gets solved
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that way but the downside is I have to
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see but this is the same thing that I
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scale like the easiest answer for me to
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return that stupid dongle would be to
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throw it away the second easiest answer
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would have been to give it to you PS but
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I'm actually really jealous of this even
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though I think this is a truly
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preposterous reason to get into the
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Raspberry Pi I have been searching for a
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reason to teach myself what the hell the
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Raspberry Pi and Arduino are all about
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and I have yet to come up with a good
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reason to do it and so in that sense I'm
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super jealous of what you've done
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because you now know a whole bunch about
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this world that I know absolutely
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nothing about and I want to know about
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and so I I applaud this well I mean I'll
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tell you what though I think you're
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overestimating what what you need to
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know like I was shocked how little I
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need to do like the this entire project
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I've been keeping it basically in one
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shell script on my desktop like one text
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file that right now let me see it's 90
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lines to set up this entire thing that's
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all it's very basic because all I'm
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doing is like responding to a system
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demon with a shell script when when
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things are inserted and removed and
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sending really simple commands to oh I
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gotta go to the control aspect of it as
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well the regular leak you know insert
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the card it plays take out the card it
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stops that's that's done it requires no
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external control or anything but I did
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think you know it would be nice to at
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least have a play/pause button and
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there's a number different ways to do
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this you can get for instance you can
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get buttons like actual physical buttons
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that have little wires on them that you
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can that have little connector on like
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at that plug right into the that big IO
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header on the Raspberry Pi the GPIO
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header and you can run a little python
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service that responds to button presses
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on those buttons really simply like
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that's and that's and I actually got a
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little pair of buttons I ended up not
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using them for
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I'll get into in a minute but but that's
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the thing you can do and again and a
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pair of buttons is like 6 bucks like it
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again I just it's so wonderful how
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inexpensive and affordable the stuff is
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you know I've heard a lot of people talk
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about how they're used in schools where
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you can like at these prices if you can
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get a little computer board for $35 or
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less you can get like one of the $10
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ones or you know you can outfit a whole
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classroom with these things and have
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students doing projects with these
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things like that's incredible and and to
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have it just the the amount of computing
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power and flexibility and hardware that
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you can get like it's a whole computer
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you could a Raspberry Pi could be a
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Linux computer like that you can it
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could be a desktop you can plug a
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monitor and key word a mouse into it and
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use it as a desktop like that like it
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wouldn't be the fastest desktop in the
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world but it's you could still do it
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like and some people do it like this
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it's just incredible what you can do
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with these things like I saw a Steve
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trout and Smith he recently made himself
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a homekit camera by using a Raspberry Pi
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one of the tiny ones with the camera
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module that's available for them in a
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little tiny case and it's like a
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security camera for his house but it's
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home compatible through god knows what
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and it's he and he made it I've had a
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Raspberry Pi for you know probably under
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$50 like that's that's just incredible
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like it's to have this kind of power
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available to people it's it really is
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you know game-changing and I know this
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is not a sudden thing I know this didn't
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just begin yesterday I'm just I'm just
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discovering it I'm late to it and it
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just blows my mind like what's available
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here and it's it's so inspiring to to
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make me want to do more projects with it
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and and for me and this kind of played
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into earlier what I was saying about
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like I wish the home pod had a line in
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like as I'm like dipping my toe in this
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rod just for five seconds like it's
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really obvious to me like you know I
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really do like things being open and I
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really do I see the value in openness
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and and free software and and you know
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just this whole world open hardware open
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software the power that be that the
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technology we have today can can offer
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to us if some of these walls are knocked
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down we're not there in the first place
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anyway one more quick thing I did I did
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decide it let me let me play with you
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know remote control options I
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actually had do you guys know Samuel
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clay and the news blur product that he
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makes mmm well he did he did a
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Kickstarter about I don't know maybe a
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year ago for a little wooden like
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Internet of Things type remote called
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turn touch and I backed it and I got two
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of them and it says little like
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beautiful little square wooden remote
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with four buttons on it it interfaces
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with either I think an iOS device or in
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my case I'm using my Mac Mini server to
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be like the host receiver for it and you
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can map these buttons to do whatever you
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want I made a little interface again
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using bash shell scripting I made a
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little interface on the on the SD card
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player that just uses netcat as like a
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simple command interface that to listen
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for the commands just listen for the
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strings play pause next in previous and
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on the Mac that's hosting the turn touch
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app I mapped it to send using netcat
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shell scripts to go set each of the
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buttons just sends you know play pause
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previous/next you know stop it was again
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like a half hour maybe to get this set
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up I never even had used netcat before
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but I didn't even know it existed but it
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did and it was super easy to seconds to
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make a bash grip that was a network
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service command response in everything
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it's just incredible what you can do
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with this stuff and if you if you have
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like the the Linux chops or the shell
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scripting shops I guess and so now I
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have this little remote that sends basic
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commands through you know through MPC to
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MPD and is play pause and next track
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previous track it's just amazing I
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really do like this world
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I don't immediately have any ideas for
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what else I can do with it
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but I'm gonna keep trying to come up
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with some because it's just so fun as a
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nerd to play with this stuff yeah this
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is super cool I'm super jealous that
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you've come up with all this 2018 year
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of the shell script even if it's written
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in Swift alright so we should do a skate
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EP let's see we're starting with I will
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let you pronounce this John since you
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put this in show notes I'm gonna go with
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Hans Chou lien wow I sound different
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well done John John put this in the show
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notes and the question is I want to
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remove clutter and unused old files from
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my system however not delete them a lot
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or like the like entire unity or blender
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projects I did a few years ago that I
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don't really need anymore however I
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don't want to just delete them because
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too frequently I deleted something
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ancient needed it half a year later
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because of something really specific I
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did there what should I do
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connect to disk drive every time I want
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to quote-unquote offload something burn
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corrupt crap loads of DS CDs or DVDs and
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pile them in a corner by a server and
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put it on an SD ftp server somewhere
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where I dump all those files get an ass
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I'm looking for a reliable solution that
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I would still have access to in 20 years
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I really think just get an ass is the
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easy answer this question but I'm
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assuming that that you guys have other
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thoughts
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so since John wrote this into the show
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that's Marco do you have any immediate
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thoughts then we'll let John give us the
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real answer to me like I've actually
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recently gone through this a little bit
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I mean first of all just told you a
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reason why I might be having a CD burner
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in my desk but I I used to burn first
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DVD arse and then I got the bread the
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bright idea in my head a while ago that
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I should get a blu-ray burner because
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that was the next thing after DVDs and I
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decided oh 25 gigs per disc and then
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later even more that would be great I
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could I can burn an archived discs of
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all my important files and have this
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master set of backups in this big CD box
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in the closet or you know whatever else
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and I started that I did that for a
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little while but it turns out 25 gigs
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isn't that much anymore and even when
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the the fancier like multi layer discs
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came out like a couple years back even
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they they're still not really enough to
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be useful and turns out blu-ray burners
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are finicky and they're a pain and
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they're unreliable and the world of
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blu-ray burning discs is unreliable
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it's there's lots of different formats
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the burners don't always burn them all
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you know
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similarly or are compatible with them so
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you basically have this array of what's
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really quite obscure formats the idea of
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being able to read them in 20 years has
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a lot has a number of problems whatever
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disk format you're writing is not a
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blu-ray movie it's not a blu-ray disc
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and it's very possible that any drive
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you can find in 20 years might
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actually read that physical format the
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second problem you're gonna have is that
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optical discs deteriorate they are all
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based on organic dyes and certain
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assumptions that over time have proven
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to not always be the case if you have
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like even even today like we're a good
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15 years past the heyday of seedy ours
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if you still have CDR is like in your
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closet somewhere you might not be able
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to heed them anymore like they actually
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might have deteriorated to the point
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where you can't read them same thing
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with most DVD our DVDs were a little
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better because they sandwich the organic
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layer between two pieces of plastic
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instead of just having it on the top the
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way CDs did so it's they had a little
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more protection there's still like
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deterioration of the dyes than n layers
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that happens and so it's very light like
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the initial estimates of how long
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recordable media work was supposed to
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last many of them have not been achieved
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and they've had to revise his estimate
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so actually these don't last fifty or
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hundred years or a thousand years they
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actually might last like five years and
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so you have reliability issues there
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there actually was there's one type of
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blu-ray disc called M disc that was
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supposed to last for a millennium
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thousand years and I actually bought it
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I still have a spindle in my closet that
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I bought aspirationally thinking I would
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use them and I never did it's still
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supposedly is supposed to solve this
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problem but optical discs are not as
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reliable and long-lasting as we think
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they are they have proven that so far
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and even this you know end this that's
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supposed to last forever and be for
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archival purposes they're brand new
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relatively speaking and so we don't
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actually know like everyone thought that
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recordable you know CDs and DVDs would
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last a long time too and they didn't so
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you can try to simulate some things here
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and there but it's it's not it's it's
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not always dependable and then and you
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know the other thing is like again like
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are you gonna be able front-drive in 20
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years that can read these discs I think
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that's fairly unlikely like you might be
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able to find a drive that reads blu-rays
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but it might not read these blu-rays or
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whatever else like it's I think your
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options are going to be fairly weak
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they're your best option here is to use
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hard drives and
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every few years when when you get larger
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ones move the stuff to the larger ones
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because the only the only way to keep
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data like this really preserved long
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term is to take it with you to move it
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periodically to the new set up if you
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don't do that you are reliant on certain
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technologies being very long-lasting and
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being able to be read forever and that's
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just unlikely to be true meanwhile hard
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drives are huge and relatively cost
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nothing for the amount of storage you
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get like there it's you can get such
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large drives now that if you're if you
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are offloading you know what used to be
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considered large files five ten years
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ago today you can get one hard drive for
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$200 or less that can hold all of them
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probably plus a lot of extra space so
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that's me that's my recommended solution
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is use hard drive somehow whether that's
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in an ass or whether that's just
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external disks that you plug in once a
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year to you know check them and move
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them on to new ones and also by the way
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have some redundancy here like one
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external drive having your only copy of
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something is still just one disk and
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that disk can fail and you can lose
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everything so you know have things on
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multiple disks but the the grand the
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overarching answer to the question is
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don't just leave them in a box for 20
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years keep them moving with you as
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technology moves on as as drives get
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bigger as your setups change and then
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down the road you know maybe just move
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them to cloud storage yeah that pretty
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much covers it the only thing I'd add is
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if you really want to go for like how do
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I do that how do i how do I keep the
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data moving in my large current set
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while making sure every done in C is you
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you know so you want it to be your
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currently active pile of data you want
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that currently active pile of data to be
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backed up and you want it to be stored
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on some kind of thing that has like
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checksumming right well that's a file
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system or a device or some other
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facility to prevent bedrock because
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that's your only remaining enemy once
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you have the data with you active
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constantly moving to bigger and bigger
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storage just got always keep it moving
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bit rot is your enemy because you're
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moving it over the course of a decade
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and if the bits are slowly rotting by
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the time you go to
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pull something out it could be corrupted
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especially if it's something you know
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like a some particular file format or
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whatever that's sensitive to a bit
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flipped here there so yeah I mean it's
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difficult to do but that's you know I
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wish there was an easier answer like
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Marco special magic blu-ray discs but
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there's not you just got it you just got
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to have it all in your currently active
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set of data and it has to be backed up
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and redundant and you have to keep them
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moving on Lois Thompson writes the
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switch has shown that people are willing
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to pay for full blown console games on
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the go why are there no Triple A games
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for iOS or TV OS is it just down to lack
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of bundled controllers or docks
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maybe but to me the obvious answer to
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this question is nobody wants to pay a
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dollar for anything why would somebody
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want to pay sixty of their dollars for
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something on iOS like is there more to
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this than that John well I mean there's
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lots of different controller thing is
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definitely a big one I don't think the
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pricing is that big a deal like didn't
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civilization come out for iPad and it
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was like $60 like it's not like you
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can't put them at that price it's just a
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question of do the people who want to
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play that much money for him in this
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presence Triple A games what they mean
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are Triple A games as they have existed
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on PC and consoles which i think is a
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more it's a it's a different definition
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than just saying Triple A games because
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you might think well that just means
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good games there are tons of good games
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on iOS and you could say maybe they're
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not as expansive because they have to be
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sold for $2 or something like that but
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they're I think they're very good games
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I don't think length determines the
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value of a game but they mean Triple A
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games in the PC console sense which is
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implies a certain amount of production
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values a certain amount of content and
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the people who want to play those games
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aren't on iOS and TV us waiting
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patiently to pay you 60 dollars that
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they have consoles they have pcs that's
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where they are that's where they want to
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play their games
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so making a $60 game and putting it on
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iOS or TV OS is not going to get people
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to buy that game not because it's a bad
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game or people don't want to face it now
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let's take that exact same game and
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offer it on a console and or PC and our
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steam or whatever and it will sell it's
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the same game in both play
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and there's nothing other than the lack
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of controller and you know the lack of
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Apple courting game developers in the
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same way that console makers do and
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Microsoft does right there's nothing
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preventing that game from working fine
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on those on those platforms I mean most
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of the Apple stuff is really more
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powerful than the switch it's just a
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question of where the people are and the
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hardware I definitely has something to
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do with it but it also is just habits
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and where people where people want play
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their games takes a long time to
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dislodge somebody like if you're a PC
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gamer what's gonna get you off that PC
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if you're a console gamer what's gonna
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get you off that console onto TV OS
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thing doesn't ship with a controller
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that doesn't have a lot of games like
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it's a lot of it is just playing inertia
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so I thought that Apple couldn't go for
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it I mean Apple could have made
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something like the switch long ago or
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could turn TV OS into something like a
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television stranded switch in that it is
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like a not too powerful console that is
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small and doesn't require you know
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humongous fans and a giant embedded
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harddrive and everything right the iPad
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could have been the switch well yeah
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unless so because it's less natural
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pairing with a controller but Apple just
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didn't pursue that strategy which is
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fine like they'll battle Apple happily
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sold millions and millions of 99-cent
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games or free to play games that release
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a bunch of people for $20,000 until they
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go bankrupt and lose their house but
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yeah it's it's I don't want to say it's
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mostly cultural but like that's what I
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feel about like the technological
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questions and even like the consumer
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questions you're not where it's at it's
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about it's about like the culture and
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the platform owners have to be motivated
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to change the culture and honestly I'm
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not sure if Apple if it would be a good
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move for Apple do that we always say you
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know the gaming market is there for
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Apple to take it but they're taking a
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different slice of the gaming market and
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who's to say that Apple you know we put
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all the stock in like Oh Triple A games
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as they exist on PC and consoles but
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that's just you are where we're coming
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from culturally that we think those are
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the big games but are those companies
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more successful making more money than
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Apple's currently making selling $1
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games it really depends on what your
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value I continue to think Apple doesn't
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understand games and doesn't really care
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about them and so I think it's perfectly
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natural for
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the games and the game customers to go
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elsewhere yeah I think you pretty much
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covered it I would just add that I do
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think there's a lot of value in the
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limited number of games that's available
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on a game console like like if you if
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you buy a switch and you want to play
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some games on it well you don't have 10
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billion games available for free to $1
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the to choose from there you have a you
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know vastly smaller number even when
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there's lot of games for a console it's
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still like a vastly smaller number
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compared to like you have on iOS and and
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those games have been vetted to a much
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larger degree like the the quality
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standards that are enforced by a company
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like Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft for
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their consoles are way higher and way
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more strict than what Apple enforces in
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the App Store so there's certain minimum
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barrier there and even you know and
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honestly it's not so great for like you
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know inclusion and diversity of game
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makers but it's also usually more
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expensive to develop these platforms or
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at least there's barriers in place it's
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not as easy as signing up for an Apple
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Developer membership and and it's
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sometimes it's more expensive as well so
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there are these barriers in place to
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getting the games onto these platforms
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there are much higher restrictions put
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in place by the vendors these platforms
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and all the games on these platforms are
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you know by iOS standards
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extraordinarily expensive by being like
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you know 15 dollars and up basically you
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know a good triple-a game is 50 or 60
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bucks and and you know even though even
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the indie games you know it's like
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stardew valley or even like some of the
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smaller ones they're like you know $10
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$15 etc O'Brien up stardew valley it's a
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good point because on the PC that has
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all the advantages of iOS anyone can
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make one it's much more open you don't
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have to get an sdk from Nintendo or Sony
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or Microsoft you know as you pointed out
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when you talk about started Valley was
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made by one person no one was stopping
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him from doing that he didn't get have
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to get App Store approval to make it he
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did have to get on Steam which was kind
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of app story but there's no reason he
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couldn't just sold that on his own
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website with stripe or PayPal or
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whatever
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so it has almost all the advantages of
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simple to choose from and console gamers
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including all the crap weird games for
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the chance to be the first person to
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play stardew valley because I'm assuming
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the PC version came out first just
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because that's the easiest platform to
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develop for if you're a single developer
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you're not gonna be dealing with Sony or
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game off the ground yeah and also like
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you know because the the game the game
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consoles have so many fewer games and
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these it they're basically like a a much
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smaller number of generally much better
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games on the consoles and you have an
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promotion is very different the the
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storefront is very different you know
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you don't have in the App Store on iOS
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you're competing against everything in
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the world whereas if you go on a switch
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only choices are premium price games you
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know whether that's $15 or 60 dollars
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like those are your only choices and
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because this these standards are higher
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the whole market behaves differently
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first of all you can go read reviews and
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you can see how good they are but you
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can also probably just buy a game that
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just bought it because we knew like
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chances are that this is going to be a
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very good game because of reputation and
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nintendo and what we heard about it and
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that iOS you just don't really have that
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as much and and your battle with
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everything else and consumers if you go
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to the App Store and a game is priced at
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$40 or more like you're never gonna drop
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that on an iOS game because your
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expectations of whether that's going to
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be worth it or good or not are by
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necessity way lower you know the reality
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is the App Store ecosystem on all sides
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is set up to incentivize and reward
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certain types of behavior and it's you
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know it culminates in these free-to-play
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social manipulation games and that's
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what the app store in
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Courage's that's what it gets like it's
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like that the entire store is set up in
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a way that encourages promotes and
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rewards abusive in-app purchase free
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games and so that's what they're gonna
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get tons of and that's going to succeed
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that's what Apple's going to promote
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because it sells more of their devices
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games and you know it's it's a vicious
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cycle I don't see how they break out of
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that I also would not discount the
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controller question too much because
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there's a lot of game types that gamers
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who are willing to pay 60 bucks for a
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game enjoy playing that either are
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unplayable or really inferior on a
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touchscreen now granted there's also
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types of games that you know work on a
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touchscreen that would suck on a console
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but the fact remains that there's a lot
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of very popular established triple-a
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game types that are very cumbersome to
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play on a touchscreen without some other
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kind of controller or a mouse or
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something and so I think that also plays
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into it too to a lesser degree but I
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think that the bigger the bigger problem
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is simply that difference in the market
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place and styles of how you buy games
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what games are available to buy how you
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find them how they're promoted what what
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your other options are on those
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platforms etc you know if I don't buy a
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$60 game on my switch there's not much
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more I can do with the switch like if I
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don't buy you know a secret or game on
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the iPad I have 10 billion free games to
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choose from instead and so like there's
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a reason where the market goes it goes
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the way that it goes and the cultural
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differences even even comes up in the
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controller thing right so Nintendo when
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they made the new console they put a
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touchscreen on it because they recognize
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there's a bunch of games that benefit
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from touchscreens and even just the non
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game stuff like it's nice to have a
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touchscreen and it's got a controller on
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the flip side Apple said oh yeah we'll
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have a way you can use controllers with
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their Apple TVs but we're not gonna
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build one like it it's a
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misunderstanding games like if you're
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making a game thing you're like we
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should put a touch screen on just in
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case someone wants to make it touch
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we're here but they won't be able to use
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it when I come to their TV yeah but
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we're still putting it on there like
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it's we should just do it because we
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care about games and maybe there's some
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awesome game that we don't want to miss
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out on by not having a touchscreen even
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though you can
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use it when I talk to the TV and we're
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making this consult they can go most
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places just put the touch screen in
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whereas Apple can't even bring
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themselves to sell to make their own
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controller let alone bundle a
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third-party controller with it they'll
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just like will sell third-party
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controllers in our stores and if someone
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wants when they can get it and you know
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they flip-flopped on whether it's read
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you were allowed to require it in games
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it just shows that Apple's you know just
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not that into games and just doesn't
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have the the mindset that a real game
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maker would get would would have which
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is like can we conceive of a cool game
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being made by this I'll look at all
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these touch games on those platforms we
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should make sure we're not excluded from
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that so please put a touch screen on the
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it was accidental oh it was accidental
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research Marco and Casey wouldn't let
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him cuz it was accidentally was
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accidental and you can find the show
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notes at ADP and Twitter you can follow
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things done you should have a baby
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application and do a YouTube video and
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got all this free time he just needs to
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fill with new hobbies yes so so tell us
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about this so so you you reviewed an SUV
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so how we actually talked about this on
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the forthcoming episode of analog which
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as we talked tonight is not released and
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and will probably be released after this
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episode of ATP is because that's the
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schedule we're on but I had the car was
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it last week I believe and Alfre may
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austell vo which is their new more
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reasonably new SUV they were like hey we
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can give it to you mid-january and I was
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like oh sure I guess I know I'm gonna be
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home but that's gonna be a busy time so
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I'll just see what I can do and in short
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it was actually a really nice truck like
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trucks are not my thing just in somebody
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pointed helped via Twitter you know I'm
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saying that it despite saying oh I'm
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probably gonna buy a Wrangler soon but
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generally speaking trucks are not my
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thing but this thing and actually a lot
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of people wouldn't even call it a truck
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but that's neither here nor there yeah
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but whatever at all car is not usually
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my thing but this was actually really
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nice there are some problems with it but
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all told it was reasonably quick handled
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stunningly well for for a car that does
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that tall and I really liked it
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like I don't know if this would be what
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I would choose if I were to buy a car
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but I can see how one could end up with
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this over like an x3 or an Audi q5 or
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something like that cool well I really
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enjoyed your video I think I don't
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really have any a peanut about the car
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but you continue to be like
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frustratingly improving quickly at
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making videos like you started out way
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better than I thought you would no
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offense like I just thought it was a
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hard problem and then you know video 2
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is even better and so yeah pretty cool
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well thanks yeah I mean I'm pretty proud
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of the video like there's definitely
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problems don't get me wrong it's not
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flawless by any means but I am pretty
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pleased with how it turned out and I
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feel like I've made a lot of I've made a
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lot of positive steps
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and again there's gonna be a fairly
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in-depth discussion about this on analog
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we'll talk about it or I mean I'll link
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it in the show notes but if you're
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listening to this you may or may not be
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able to click that link and get to
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anything because yeah the analog episode
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isn't out yet but no I'm pretty pleased
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with the video it was shorter which I
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think was good I probably still could
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have cut something from it and there
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were probably some places where I could
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have tightened it up a little bit but
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all told it I'm pretty darn pleased with
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how it came out I think the biggest
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issues with the prior video with the
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Giulia were were that I was not
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particularly effusive or I mean maybe
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not effusive but I wasn't particularly
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interesting I guess you could say like I
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was kind of monotone and kind of just
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there and additionally the audio was
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just garbage as we talked about ad
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nauseam previously now the audio
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accepting one section I think was pretty
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darn good yeah I definitely clipped in a
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few spots which was unfortunate but you
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know all told it was pretty good
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and I think I was a much more
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interesting person to watch this time
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which is also good but there's still
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plenty of room to be improved you know
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you could see me in the reflection of
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the car and a bunch of spots which in a
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perfect world wouldn't have happened
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there were some there was some video I
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shot before I had a chance to very very
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quickly wash the car because it had
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rained like the day after I got it or
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something like that so it was dirty and
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a few of the shots which in a perfect
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world I wouldn't have done it one of the
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shots I didn't realize that my bucket of
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equipment was in the background which I
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regret but I mean I'm not gonna sit
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there and like Photoshop it out or
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anything like that so all told I'm
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really pleased with the video the car
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was very very nice if he wanted
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something that's more interesting than
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like an x3 I think it's a it's a very
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reasonable choice this particular car
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was mildly optioned and it priced at
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about $55,000 and there are some things
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that I really wish it had like I wish it
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had a little bit of autonomous driving
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capability I very much wish it had
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car play or it's coming soon I'm not
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entirely clear based on Alfa Romeos
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website but I couldn't think
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car you know all told it was a very very
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more interesting than just another x3 I
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and not compare it to actual cars the x3
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sport utility vehicles are mostly gross
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the Audi ones are okay Infiniti ones are
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horrendous anyway I was surprised you
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didn't compare it to the Volvo I mean
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you know you haven't done the volvo
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video yet but it's the other SUV thing
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that you have the most experience with
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and it's similar price range so I mean
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you kind of alluded to it like look if I
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the funding is if I cut your Amazon
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story we can always refer back to it as
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member caseys Amazon story and nobody
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will be like this enigma no one's ever
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heard because we won't tell them cases
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Amazon story and like like case he's not
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gonna bring it up again the next time
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you bring something to the lockers next
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time you return a $15.00 dongle he's
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spending like two hours of your life to
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return this $15 thing it was not two
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hours you bastard but yes I understand
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your point there's two hours of our
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lives no no no everything's changed and
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now it's gonna be all screwed up I blame
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you duh what's your middle name Charles
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Chester Casey no Craig mm-hmm no really
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what is it John Craig got it yes I
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didn't know I can tell if you were
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trolling me and that was a federighi
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joke I know how to pronounce it I know
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what the middle name is boom I'm the
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better friend well now that we've got
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that sorted no anyway John Craig
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Syracuse oh you need to grow up and get
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a proper microphone like an adult I'm
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really loud in my own ears who knows
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what you're gonna get here you want
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anything - no is a are you recording and
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B are you clipping those the only
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concerns I have but I know I can't top
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I'm clipping I got the little meter
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thingies and they never reached the top
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does that mean I'm not clipping yes good
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but but can I make them reach the top
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test test if it clips so which are you
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are you talking with the meters that are
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in audio hijack peak slash RMS it's the
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box right next to the input and and I
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blow white bars or hanging at the oven
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can I get them to go you know I can't
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get the top good your turn red they stay
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orange the whole time then you're not
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clipping
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but those claps those claps should have
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pushed it up that was me that time that
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was me that time then I saw a little red
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on my they do not turn red good best
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episode ever
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no I'm clapping we'll just have to keep
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you nice and calm so your voice doesn't
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get raised
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yeah the Mac Pro man you know I love
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maximizing all my windows space this is
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the one true way actually really I think
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that's true but wait John are you a VI
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or Emacs guy I don't even remember but
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Marco knows hmm you know what how is
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being tested yes my middle name doesn't
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know if I know yeah so now wait I'm
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gonna try I'm gonna try to guess very
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disappointed I'm gonna guess because
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John is old and picky
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I'm gonna guess Emacs is that right I'm
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interested in your reasoning why is old
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anything he just usually like is Emacs
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older yeah I don't think it is probably
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not but but I think it's demographic is
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so what was I right about a million
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podcast never never wavering I actually
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agree with you I think it's Emacs all
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the way but I am surprised that a man of
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your pickiness thinks that VI is is not
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better you guys are nuts
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I think anyone who enjoys VI is a true
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to form animal like what kind of monster
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would enjoy using VI I wouldn't say I
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enjoy it I I would say I hate it less
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than I hate e^x anyway we should move on
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who ordered a home pod because I believe
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all of us were pretty tepid about it
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weren't we so did either of you guys
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order a home pod I will tell you that I
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did not I mean we know John probably
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didn't right no John hate spending money
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so of course it well we have now made
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show history none of the three of us is
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the brand-new Apple product Wow haribol
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at this I'm really disappointed in us
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like you know I mean I covered most of
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it last week but like you know as the
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pre-order period passed and went and and
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as you know some people are you know
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having those like hour-long sample tests
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with them and PR and everything it just
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it sounds like okay they focused on
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their strengths they focused on you know
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the audio engineering side their
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weaknesses are you know things like the
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home assistant area and the low cost
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they didn't focus on their weak sides
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which is probably smart but they ended
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up making a product that I don't think I
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have not only a need for but I don't
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even think I have a place in my house
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where it could go that would make sense
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it can't go in my living room because
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only the TV speakers serve that and it
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can't be my TV speakers and I also don't
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want treatment TVs because I have nice
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TV speakers already it can't go in the
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kitchen because the home of the
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assistant part of it is not good enough
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you know frankly it just not good enough
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like what the things we do most often
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things like timers on on the Amazon echo
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in the Amazon echo has really good
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timers now you can name them you can
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have multiple timers running at once so
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you can say hey Amazon thing set an oven
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timer for 14 minutes hey I was on things
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said I rotate the thing in the oven
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timer for seven minutes like you can you
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can stack them up like that and you can
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have like when you're cooking and when
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you have like multiple things going it's
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a lifesaver and then it beeps and tells
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you your rotate oven timer is done like
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it's just it's so convenient and and
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pretty advanced these days the Siri
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functionality on the home pod if it's
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anything like other Siri functionality
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it's not gonna be good at that kind of
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stuff you know me it might be able to do
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a little bit of it I think we I think we
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know that I can do like one timer I mean
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because the iPhone can't even do
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multiple timers or name timers like a
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Siri on the phone can't even do that so
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I don't expect you know Siri on the on
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the home pod to be that much better in
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that regard so it seems like this is
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really just focused on music but it's
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music only with these restrictions and
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only for certain environments and
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there's nowhere in my house that I
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listen to music that either doesn't
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require the more advanced home assistant
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functionality of the echo in the kitchen
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or doesn't have requirements the home
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pod can't satisfy like in my living room
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we don't listen to music in the bedrooms
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upstairs
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in my office I listen to music mostly on
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headphones and when I do use my speakers
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it's it's because I need to play music
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from my computer which the home pod
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can't do even if I had one I don't even
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know where where I would put it in my
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house so yeah I just I passed and it
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feels really weird for a major Apple
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product lunch to go by that I'm not
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buying and I'm not really excited about
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but this product is just so boxed in in
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in what it serves and what it's good at
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and what it can't do that
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it just it boxed itself right out of my
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life well it has competitors if you
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didn't have an echo any Amazon stuff you
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probably would've bought this visi you'd
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be like oh I've been meaning to try
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these cylinder things and here's an
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Apple one so I'll try it
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mm-hmm I don't have any Amazon stuff not
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you Marco I'm just saying I am that
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ya know you you are anti Solon's are
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entirely so you're just continuing your
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cylinder cap on a second Marco totally
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would have bought this if he didn't
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already have a product that he liked
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better because he still would have been
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at the point of like I don't know about
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these cylinders or whatever and then
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eventually I pull to come up with him he
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would have tried it well I'm like I
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don't even have the the very common
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excuse of I need this for testing my app
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because my app can't do anything with
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the home pod like until Siri has
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basically like audio app support which
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as I mentioned I said look I don't I'm
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not expect that to happen in time soon
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because that would also enable Spotify
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and other services like that and so you
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know it's possible as we mentioned last
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everybody see when when Sirikit updates
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came and went and there was no audio
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thing like it's possible that he's
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haven't gotten to it yet and that they
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do intend to do it at some point later I
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would say this summer this WDC is kind
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of like the the do-or-die point here
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like if they don't add some kind of
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music app support this summer I think it
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becomes increasingly likely that the
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explanation is they don't want to do it
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for competitive reasons which is not
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good I really hope that isn't what's
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happening but right now like I don't
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even have anything meaningful to test
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with overcast on the home pod because
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airplay 2 isn't done yet you get a bunch
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of good ideas and slack remind me and
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overcast to play the latest ATP yeah I
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can make overcast a to-do app like yeah
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can you make overcast a workout app and
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a to-do app and every month yes I that
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would be funny to attempt that but it
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would be not only clumsy but there's no
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way Apple above that stand for more than
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a week that would be a waste but it's
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just like I just there's nothing for me
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to do with the home pod and I suppose
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like it's healthy for me as a human
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being to not just buy every product
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Apple releases but it just feels weird
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there's a major launch that and and none
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of us are buying it
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yeah I think I actually have a place
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in my house where I could put this cuz
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in in the living room I have a free
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Google home mini thing that I got it
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came free with some other thing but just
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convenient makes it so you know you can
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ask questions and kids can ask how to
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spell words or to find things and stuff
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like but you can't play any music on it
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because it's you know it's the mini and
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it sounds like a tinny little speaker
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and I do have my speaker sock up to my
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TV but there's no way to talk to them
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and they're mostly turned off all the
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sound which is what this thing could do
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for that in my life and I would just you
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provide but I mine it doesn't you know I
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don't like the idea that it would be
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tied to my Apple ID and I don't like the
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idea that I could talk to it but not
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well and so I'm taking a wait-and-see
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people and they can understand who's
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talking to it and it can you know
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connect to both my phone and my wife's
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phone and like it's eventually when the
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software catches up I probably will buy
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one of these to fill exactly that
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function to basically fill my living
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room with better sounding sound I don't
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know if it'll ever get to the point
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though where I can talk to it and have
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it play like any song because I
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subscribe to will play music and I don't
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see myself subscribing to Apple music
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just to be able to talk to this speaker
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because I have to subscribe to google
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play music to get no ads on YouTube
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because of the way Google structures
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things Google ever changes its YouTube
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red whatever family plan thing that I
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get so that I don't have to play for
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google play music anymore but I can
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still the whole family can still be ad
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free on YouTube then I would probably
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subscribe to help music and try it but
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for now I'm just kind of stuck in this
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you know this weirdly carved out problem
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space of streaming service and ad free
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YouTube and you know and this is the
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capabilities of the home pod I'm a
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devout Spotify user I admittedly have
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not tried Apple music since
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was brand-new and as such I've been
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debating you know maybe I should try it
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again but two of the playlists that
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Spotify comes out with every single week
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for every single user is I believe they
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were called discover weekly which is
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just hey given the entirety of Spotify
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library and given what we've noticed you
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listening to so far here's so other
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music that we think you would enjoy and
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that comes out on Mondays and then on
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Fridays there's release radar which is
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similar but limited to just new or new
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ish releases so here's something that's
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brand new that just entered Spotify and
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we think you might enjoy
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and those two playlists are tremendous
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and I love them and beyond that Spotify
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is is a couple of really great apps it
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is one of the few apps that is electron
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or equivalent that doesn't make me that
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doesn't remind me of that every time I
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use it unlike slack and on the on the
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iPhone it's a really great app and
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what's wonderful about it is if I
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accidentally as I often do leave Spotify
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open everywhere any Spotify client that
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is signed in as the same Spotify user
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can control any other Spotify client so
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I could control my phone from my
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computer or vice versa and that becomes
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useful if your airplane to something
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else that's awesome yeah so any so I
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could have my phone airplane to my Apple
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TV but control it from my computer if my
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computer happens to be right in front of
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it whatever the case may be so like I
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said I have not tried Apple music in a
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while but there's a lot to love about
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Spotify and I've been a loyal Spotify
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users since it came to the United States
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and I've been paying for it since it
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came to the United States so if the home
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pod supported Spotify like if I could
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say you know cylinder play such-and-such
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on Spotify I think there's a pretty darn
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good chance I would be getting one what
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is it a week from Friday and I probably
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would have pre-ordered it but given that
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it is tied to Apple music and right now
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I don't particularly care for Apple
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music this is kind of a non-starter to
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me and it's really unfortunate because
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I've been thinking about this a lot and
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we'll talk about it I think over the
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next couple of weeks because I have a
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few topics
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which we may not get to this week to
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discuss this but I I don't like that
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that whole like Google mantra especially
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from years ago of like oh we're open
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we're open and we do things because
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we're open and you can do whatever you
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want with our stuff cuz we're open like
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that's just like open for open sake is
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just cheesy and I don't really care
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also I mean Google's case they're often
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using it as a total marketing BS thing
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like it's a there's open and there's
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Google and those occasionally intersect
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a little bit but they're not usually
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that intersecting yeah I completely
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agree with you
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but this is a case where this sort of
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gated community really bums me out that
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that I can't use the music streaming
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platform that I prefer with the physical
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speaker that I would probably really
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love I have been so far I am so far
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behind on podcast like I haven't
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listened to what was it query that was
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on relay that um had serenity Caldwell
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discussing her experience with home pod
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is that right I think I have that right
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well whatever it is I'll put a link in
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the show notes and so I haven't listened
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to that yet but I'm really looking
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forward to yes query number 23 I'll put
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it in the show notes and certainly
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Caldwell was able to get some hands-on
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time with the home pod and apparently
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spent basically an hour discussing it on
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on this episode of query which is a
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really great podcast with with Steven
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Hackett so I have no chance listen to
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that all I've heard through the
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grapevine from the little I've been
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paying attention to is that the home pod
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really does sound really great and you
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know what that sounds good to me let it
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pardon the pun but that sounds good like
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I could see me putting this in my living
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room even as a redundant set of speakers
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just because I could see screaming
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across the room
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hey cylinder play you know the latest
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album by Radiohead on Spotify or
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something like that and that would be
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pretty awesome like one of my favorite
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things about one with a brief window
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time I used Apple music was being able
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to use Siri with it especially on my
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phone but because this is this is a
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walled garden that that Spotify isn't
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allowed in and actually to that end
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overcast isn't either in terms of of
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Siri support this is this is a
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non-starter to me like I'm just not
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interested in it and
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and that kind of bums me out because
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which is stupid right like it bums me
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out that I can't send some faceless
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corporation another 350 dollars of my
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money like that's so dumb but I don't
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know like a few years ago I would be
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excited about this sort of thing and now
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I'm kind of like huh that's too bad I
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wish I could get excited about this but
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I can't and I know that there's like
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some capitalism like capitalism thoughts
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and stuff is evil etcetera etcetera but
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I don't know this is just a silly thing
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that used to make me happy and a new
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Apple thing used to always make me happy
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even when I claimed it wouldn't it have
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any inevitably did but and maybe that'll
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be the case here - who knows but I don't
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know man I'm just bummed because I want
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to be excited about it and I just can't
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bring myself to you know I guess we're
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all in the same page but I guess we all
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don't like music as much as we like
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television and movies because multiple
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multiple streaming services right for
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video we all subscribe to Netflix right
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how many people subscribe to something
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else besides Netflix I have HBO whatever
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right and Casey anything else definite
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so recurring subscriptions are Netflix
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and Spotify and I think that's it for us
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maybe cases uneven footing but Markos
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got twice as many video as audio
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services Grande it's just two to one I
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have like seven times as many video
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services wait nope you're wrong I
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subscribe to Apple music and Amazon
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music whatever on the echo oh so I'm
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tied alright but but it's I think it's
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different because like with streaming
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services I think you have way lower of a
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percentage of overlap if you look at
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like the Venn diagram of each one's
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catalogs right video streaming services
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I feel like there's a lot less overlap
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between each one's music streaming
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services the overlap of those Venn
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diagram circles of what they have is
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like almost identical to call mostly on
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top of each other yeah so you don't feel
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like you're getting anything extra I
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mean yeah it feels redundant to pay for
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multiple uses whereas it doesn't feel
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redundant to pay for multiple streaming
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services there's different content on
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them yeah I suppose although but there's
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probably lots of exclusive content we
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just don't know what it is because you
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know maybe you're into classical music
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maybe one
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like all the class of me is gonna when I
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scrap or none of them I fish you know
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foreign music none of them have fish
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right but if one of them did that would
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be a differentiator oh no I think
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Spotify has a fair bit of fish doesn't
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it not they don't know but not all the
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live shows actually live fish has their
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own app and with other you think the
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restroom service that has has all the
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stuff yeah well anyway what I'm getting
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at is like why you know why is it I play
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for Google Play and I won't play valve
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music part of it might be the overlap
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but like I don't have that problem in
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video there's a lot of overlap in the
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video services but all when I envision
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the video services it's like look the
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only reason I'm subscribing to the CBS
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thing is for the one Star Trek show like
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in the worst case scenario it's like I'm
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literally subscribing for a single show
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because it's the only place I can get it
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it's a hundred percent exclusive right
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and these video services pay to have
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exclusive content created for them
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that's what brings me to them I'm not at
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this point I'm no longer subscribe to
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Netflix to see a bunch of like their
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back catalogue of movies it's purely for
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original Netflix series we don't have
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that in the music space but anyway I'm
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what I'm getting as I'm paying you know
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tens of dollars for all these services
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every single month and it doesn't bother
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me but also paying for Apple music just
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feels like yeah and I think that mostly
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for me anyway it's because I I watch
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much more television movies than I
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listen to music because there's a fact
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right I mean and even in scenarios where
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I would be listening to music most of
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the things of podcasts which you know so
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what does all this say that I don't
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hosed it is hosed in very similar ways
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video market it's just that the video
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the original content although it doesn't
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feel great I mean I you know when I
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resist adding up exactly how much money
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services because I think it's a pretty
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big number going back one more minute to
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what you said a few minutes ago Casey
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about like the the kind of feeling of
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openness that you that you want or or
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seek from this product that you can't
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get hmm so for reasons I'll get into
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later in the show I've kind of been
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thinking similar lines recently or
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having similar sensibility and I you
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know the the fact that the home
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has no equivalent or to basically a line
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in port
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like maybe airplay one might be that
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equivalent to put like basically it has
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no line in port this
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I feel like limits its lifetime in a way
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that people who buy speakers I think are
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gonna be disappointed with this long
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term like if you look at the iPod hi-fi
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the famous flop Apple product well you
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know what
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the iPod high-five for the very few
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people who spent the crazy amount of
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money to buy it which actually I think
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was four hundred dollars right it's not
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that different from the price of the
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whole but I thought maybe anyway it was
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350 by the way okay yeah so he Co but
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like for the few people who bought those
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or who got them later off eBay as a joke
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like you know like I know Jason snow and
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Steven Hackett both have them and they
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both still use them now the the iPod
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hi-fi the main input was an iPod 30-pin
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dock connector on the top but it also
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had a line in port on the back and so
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this speaker that by all accounts is
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actually a pretty decent speaker is
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still useful today what is it a decade
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after it came out something like that so
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like it's still useful today
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because it's just a good speaker and
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good speakers don't go out of date good
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speakers are always good speakers I mean
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eventually maybe the cones could rot but
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it takes a very long time like a good
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speaker is useful way beyond the
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lifetime of a typical tech gadget and
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people who buy good speakers and who
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value good speakers know this because
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every good speakers ever bought has been
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this way and you know Casey like you
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know your your parents and and you know
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and my parents were both like you know
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super into music and hi-fi systems and
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you know we both grew up listening to
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speaker systems that were decades old
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and you know at many of those components
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still work today decades later that's
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exactly true so my dad's fancy fancy
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fancy stereo is 15-20 years old at this
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point and I know he has T loud speakers
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are now I'm having second thoughts I'm
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pretty sure he has T loud speakers
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there's a second set of speakers a
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second stereo in his house that is like
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that I believe they're Dahlquist s-- and
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i am almost sure he had those in his
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dorm room when he was a kid and my dad
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is 60 and change and he was in college
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when he was like 20 so he
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her point I think you might have had to
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replace a cone here there something like
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that but i % agree with what you're
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driving at that good speakers can last
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not literally forever but effectively
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freaking forever yeah in the tech world
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they last forever like you know relative
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to other products that we use and so the
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iPod hi-fi this this speaker that came
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out forever ago and was a flop is still
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totally functional today for the few
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people who have them because it had a
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line in jacket it has like this escape
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valve that like this future proofs this
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thing for a very long time you know and
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the home pod I understand why Apple's
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positioning it so much as like a good
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speaker because I said like that's
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playing to its strain sanding and trying
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to position it away from Apple's
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weaknesses in this product that's good
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but a good speaker is expected to last
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and to be useful you know if you're
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gonna be spending $350 for a good
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speaker and and that's just for one by
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the way like I think a lot of people are
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gonna end up wanting to for the way it
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feels bitten you know larger rooms
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better mm-hm you know if you can be
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spending this kind of money on a speaker
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it is convention in the industry that
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that speaker lasts and it doesn't have
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to last 50 years you know I I understand
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there's like complex processors going in
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there and lots of different tweeters and
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everything like that so it's more
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complex than most speakers but if this
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thing is a flop your and you know
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there's no guarantee that it will be but
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I'm saying like this thing is a flop and
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support for it dwindles and in the
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software over the next you know five 10
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years whatever if you have one of these
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10 years from now if it has a line
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import you can still use it but if like
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the software ecosystem dries up or moves
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on this thing is now useless and I
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understand a lot of tech products are
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this way now this is honestly how much
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of Sonos has operated I'm in fact almost
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all of Sonos works this way and that's
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one of the reasons why I kind of don't
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like it but it just kind of rubs me the
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wrong way that like this product is so
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dependent on its internet connection the
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series servers backing it up and the
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proprietary airplay protocol and things
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like that that it's it makes it really
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hard to envision this thing being useful
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in 10 years yeah and to that end it's
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super surprising to me like you were
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saying that there's no just like
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input Jack and you are on here and I'm
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looking at the home pod specs and it
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says where is this it says shoot I just
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lost it
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lalala audio sources there we go it says
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Apple music itunes music purchases Eike
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Eike loud music library with an apple
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music or iTunes Match subscription which
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by the way is very cool I'm glad that I
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choose in iTunes mattress supported
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because I do still subscribe to that I
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guess that is another audio service to
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John's point earlier anyway
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beats will i/o beats one live radio what
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is it always on worldwide podcast that's
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still our play I think podcasts play a
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worldwide airplay other content - home
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pod from iphone ipad ipod touch apple TV
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and Mac you'll note that Bluetooth is
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not listed in the audio sources section
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however in the wireless section it lists
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802 11 AC Wi-Fi with mi mo direct guest
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access whatever the crap that means in
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Bluetooth 5 so I don't know if bluetooth
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is supported or not and again I
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apologize if I should know this but I
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have not had time to read up on any of
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this stuff lately but it is quite
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possible that that your point Marco
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airplay is the only way to get
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quote-unquote other audio into this
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thing and that just Sevilla and I am I
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love airplay like it has its problems
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don't get me wrong but I love airplay I
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use airplay all the time B oftentimes
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streaming Spotify to my Apple TV because
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it would be great if spot if I made a
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friggin Apple TV app but that's a
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different issue anyway I like airplay I
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think airplay works great and that seems
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to be the only mechanism to get other
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audio in here which I agree with you
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Marco is kind of bananas because you
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would think like at least give us a
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little like what is it an RCA jack or
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like a headphone jack or did you know
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what I'm thinking of it but what was
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either an 8 inch stereo headphone in
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Jack or a or a pair of RCA plugs right
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exactly like that would that would
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dramatically increase the usefulness of
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that of this thing in my personal
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opinion and here again like I think it's
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a bit of a stretch for me to say what
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I'm about to say but here's like another
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quote unquote open issue like if this
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was designed
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maybe openness is a poor choice of words
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maybe flexibility is a better word if
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this was designed to be more flexible
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then it may have some mechanism of
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audio input maybe it would have more
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software support for Spotify or friggin
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overcast or pocket cast whatever I don't
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care if overcast isn't your you know
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podcasting platform of choice but I do
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affair whoo you know what I mean though
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like anything it would be a god it's
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just so frustrating cuz I feel like this
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is right up my alley as someone who has
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music playing in the house almost always
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and I really mean that like I if silence
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just freaks me out I have to have music
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playing when I'm when I'm in the house
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just playing with declan or whatever I
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constantly have mice my stereo that my
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like home theater if you will stereo on
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playing some sort of music this would be
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perfect for me if I could get music into
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it from some mechanism other than
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airplay and I guess maybe the adult
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answer if you will is well your airplane
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to your Apple TV a lot of the time
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anyway so who cares grow up but I know
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it just it's so frustrating that it
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doesn't have to be that way that's
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that's not a good answer
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you know what I mean exactly like it
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doesn't feel right to me like why would
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I spend 3 or $50 to do something I'm
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already doing you know it's just well
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and also airplay is limited you know as
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I mentioned last episode airplay has
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certain latency in different scenarios
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even airplay to is going to have latency
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Apple TV is is going to be able to work
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with it by compensating for that and
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like delaying the video stream so it
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catches up with the audio properly but
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you know any other thing sent into it
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might not and so you know if your answer
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here is airplay or even Bluetooth which
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also has some latency you know that
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rules out things like using it as TV
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speakers for a lot of people setups
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rules out you know future audio
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components you might want to connect to
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it like honestly I know this this is not
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something Apple would want to enable but
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like if you really liked the Amazon echo
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service and wanted to buy a home pod for
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its audio if I had a line in you could
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plug in an echo dot to it and have it
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and have it be like have it receive
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audio from that like in my word that's
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something that people actually consider
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that for my kitchen like it's actually
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something like people could do and I
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know apples not gonna try to enable it
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for reasons like that but like they
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would probably saw more and it's just
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again like it's the audio world I feel
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like yeah and this is kind of a larger
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tech problem like you know Apple talks
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so much about their environmental
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responsibility and everything but they
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sure make a lot of really limited
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don't know some of us have this since we
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failed as a group to buy one I don't
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know if it works as a plain old
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Bluetooth speaker but imagine if Amazon
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ships the dot with Bluetooth and then
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the dot can use the home pod as a
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Bluetooth speaker but by the way all
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including the dots but as far as we know
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like your phone calls
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perhaps oh yeah actually I bet you're
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right it's probably for the phone call
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profile but like you know blue it's
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exposed to certain profiles and you know
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there's some phone calls or something
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for being speakers for music and from
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what we know so far it does not expose
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the a2dp protocol for music and so or
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whatever the more modern ones are so it
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far that it is capable of being a
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Bluetooth speaker you know by itself
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seems like you have to buy one to find
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out Karam hasn't said either way no one
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in the chatroom Balwyn either we failed
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as a collective well nobody has them yet
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there was something I'm pretty sure
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during the hour-long demo at Apple PR
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though that some people had they
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probably didn't want you to like pair
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your phone to it to see if I could run
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as a Bluetooth speaker yeah oh let me
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I'll bring an echo in what you'd see if
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the echo compared to it yeah another
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point about this is you know all of us
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are asking for like line in or RCA or
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you know basically a wire connected to
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the thing but it could be that the
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ubiquity of Bluetooth just washes over
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the entire industry and having bluetooth
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is becomes the equivalent of having a
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line in for most people like not
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high-end audio people because I would
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say you know $300 is expensive but it's
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not high-end audio
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expensive right no no it's it's high-end
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audio a mid-range mid-range I guess when
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you have two of them maybe it's made
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arrangement well okay in audio there's
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like there's three prices that
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everything is either nothing $300 or
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$50,000 like that's roughly to get the
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classes here yeah so anyway well it
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could be that we're just behind the
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market and having the ability to take
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glue to the input is sufficient for
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everybody in fact to what people want
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and then we just have to find out
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whether they can take them all so
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getting back to the hardware thing if it
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doesn't take bluetooth input now as long
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as the hardware is there there's no
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reason they can't change that later and
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then you can have your echo dot talking
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to your own pod scenario in your kitchen
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yeah maybe I mean that would be nice to
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have just to have options like that like
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I know that's a ridiculous thing but
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although I would probably actually I
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really might complain a little dot on
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top of it well that would cover up the
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little screen on it yeah like it just
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like again it you know case you
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mentioned earlier flexibility I would I
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would maybe use the word versatility
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like it's there are so many more things
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scenarios in which the home pod could be
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useful or could be compelling if it had
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just one or two of these walls knocked
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down a little bit but yeah over time
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my MacBook adorable and I have a USB c2
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Ethernet adapter that also has three
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traditional USB ports on it and it's a
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little bit physically large but the
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problem is because I have a MacBook
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adorable that only has one port which
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usually doesn't bother me but
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occasionally does let's say I wanted to
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do a initial Time Machine backup which
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can take hours then I would have to make
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sure that I can do that before my
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battery depletes because this USB C
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Ethernet adapter does not have USB C in
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so I have no mechanism by which I can
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power my laptop all I'm using Ethernet
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which normally is not that big a deal
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but it's sometimes frustrating right
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well I also have a knockoff version of
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the Apple I forget the official term for
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it but the Apple adapter that has HDMI
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USB C in to provide power and a single
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USB what a you know traditional USB 3
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port yes the $80 middle finger from
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Apple yeah well I think I got mine for
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like 15 or 20 bucks or something like
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that I'll put a link in the show notes
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of course I paid 80 for mine because I
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think I'd got mine from monoprice or
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something like that all again I'll have
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to dig it up I don't remember offhand
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but it were I've never had a problem
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with it it works great and it was a heck
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of a lot less than 80 bucks
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so it occurred to me this you know HDMI
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thing err that again has HDMI USB see in
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traditional USB that's actually a really
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nice way to add a single USB port while
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maintaining power so you know what I
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should do I should get a USB Ethernet
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adapter and this way if I do have a long
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running
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operation like a like a time machine
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back up I can plug this you know the
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old-school USB Ethernet adapter into my
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fancy pants not you know 80 but not
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actually $80 adapter into the macbook
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adorable so I bought a like $15 Ethernet
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adapter that runs over USB 3 I get it to
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the house and I bought it from Amazon I
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get it to the house and I did not do my
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due diligence and it requires a driver
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and that should have been enough to stop
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me but I was annoyed and I was like well
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screw it it's already here I don't wanna
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have to return it so I'll just install
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this driver so there I go installing a
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kernel extension that unequivocally came
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from China thinking to myself this is
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not a wise choice but Here I am here's
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our extension for a USB network adapter
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yeah I would have gone right back in the
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box for me well I understand that this
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was a terrible idea I don't need you to
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write into me anyone I understand I get
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it I understand China might be looking
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at every bit of network traffic that
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ever comes through this computer I get
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mean that's one problem also just like
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your computer is gonna suck now like
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it's gonna have you're gonna have
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stability issues no the next OS updates
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gonna probably break it like well so you
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should not say I am fully aware of all
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these that so I was just frustrated and
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in the heat of the moment I just went
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with it well then I do this kernel
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extension I know I tried to install this
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driver it installs just fine but I can't
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maintain a connection for more than like
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a minute or two and I decide you know
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what that is definitely not gonna work
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and even though this thing is only $15
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I'm gonna have to return it so I go to
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return it on to Amazon which I've done
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like once or twice in the past but I
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think it was one of you guys had said
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this before like it takes a lot for me
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to return anything even to like a
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nameless corporation you know it's
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really bad for me to return something to
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a retail store I hate doing that because
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I just feel like a jerk oh yeah even if
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it's well within my you know an ability
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that's not the word I'm looking for but
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if it's well within my rights I guess
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for lack of a better word to return
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something I hate doing it I think Marco
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you've talked about this a lot and I
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feel exactly the same way
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I mean honestly to be fairly it's so
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easy to returns up to Amazon that I do
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return Swift Amazon at more of a regular
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person rate
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than anything else in my life there you
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go so perfect segue thank you all I'll
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send you a dollar later uh-huh so I
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decide to return this thing to Amazon
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and I start grumbling to myself because
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like I'm gonna have to box it up and
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then I have to mail it and it's gonna be
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a royal pain but one of the options I
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had was to return it to an Amazon locker
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I thought to myself you know I know
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there's at least a couple of lockers
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nearby don't be creepy I'm gonna try
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this so they say okay you can return it
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to an Amazon locker here's what you do
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we've given you a PDF that has a
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hilariously large like it almost looks
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like a mailing label except there was no
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postage required because it's going to
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add Amazon locker and given that this
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was a little USB adapter that was
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probably the size of a deck of cards
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like the box of it was roughly the size
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of a deck of cards I needed to put it in
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this like hilariously large box just to
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fit the stupid mailing label on it but
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so I print that out I find a much larger
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box than I shouldn't that I should
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really need I tape it all I put it in
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the box I tape it a lot blah blah blah
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and I go to the Amazon locker how much
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did this thing cost again because now
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you're over running my like how much did
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you say $15 it was about 15 bucks
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there's a way over $15 right you've
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already spent it just I feel like I
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spent $15 worth of effort listening to
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this story so far well thanks a lot yeah
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if I if I had a $15 product that didn't
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work I would probably honestly just
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throw it away
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like I don't think I would go through
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this system normally I would agree
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normally I would not even think about it
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especially since my LLC bought this so
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it's like you know free money except not
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but whatever oh that works yeah I know
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but it's not like sometimes think about
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it but anyway you really should I know I
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shouldn't all right just leave me alone
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okay just let me finish so the point is
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that I decide to return his Amazon
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locker and I agree with you guys this
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was a hilarious amount of effort for
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something that I should have just thrown
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in the trash and walked away from but I
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was annoyed and I wanted to kind of send
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this back and say screw you this thing
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was a piece of garbage so I Drive to the
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Amazon locker and they give you a little
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code and so there's a screen in the
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middle of the lockers and you type in
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your like 6 digit or 6 character code
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whatever and I do that and then a locker
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just pop
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open which isn't entirely surprising
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that was kind of cool to see and I go to
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put my hilariously large box in this
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locker that was about three or four
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maybe three inches tall and this box was
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easily six or seven inches and I look at
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the box and I look at the locker and I
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looked at the box and I look at the
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locker and I think well crap this isn't
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gonna go well I'm like what do I do
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you throw it in the trash you consider
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this problem gone American you would
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have made that box fake just shove it in
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scrunch it up wait why was the box so
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big for like a little USB dongle thing
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because of a stupid mailing label like
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because the mailing label was easily
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like six inches wide for this teeny tiny
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little I think what I would have done is
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just like tape the mail label around the
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the item installation with make the men
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label and tape the box and just make
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sure the barcode is visible some well I
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was gonna say you're also supposed
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supposed to put something in like a
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different bar code in the box just in
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case but I agree with you well anyway
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the reason I bring this up though is
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because on the screen there was an
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option that said my box is too big I
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need a bigger locker please or whatever
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and so I closed that I closed the locker
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and I hit that button or I think I hit
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the button then closed the locker and
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sure enough a different one popped open
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and it fit just fine and this was this
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all happened yesterday
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and so then X can't be the story it's no
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in that and then I put my box into the
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locker I shut the locker I waited a day
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and they said they're gonna credit my
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credit card how cool is that I just
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thought that was such a neat about the
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option to say that your box is too big
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yeah to give like I'm really not messing
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with you I know but this establishment
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that's that's all in the cloud if you
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will figuratively speaking it's all in
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the cloud like there's there's no real
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Amazon brick-and-mortar stores except
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yeah well actually whatever whatever but
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the point is that they just install this
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was like a friggin Sunoco station that
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they had this locker at and I could
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drive to the Sunoco station don't be
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creepy and I could return my item
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without having to send anything in the
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without having to worry about postage
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without having to worry about whether or
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not the mail was open wait you know that
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when you return something they give you
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a prepaid UPS label but then I still
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would have to bring it to a UPS store
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UPS drop but let me tell you the UPS
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Drakh boxes are big enough to
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accommodate your package yes first of
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all there are tons of UPS doors and drop
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boxes everywhere second of all you can
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also hand it to any UPS driver anywhere
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so if you have a UPS driver who comes to
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your office everyday you can just bring
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it to work and leave it like the front
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us and say hey can you give this the you
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to the UPS guy like or if you are at
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home like I am and you see the UPS
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person either come to your house or go
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to a neighbor's house you can walk
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outside me like here we go that's it
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it's so easy I think that the second
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strategy only works for Marco where the
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UPS man comes to his house every single
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day exactly that's exactly right you go
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to you both go to offices where they
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definitely come every day like there's
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no like everything come to every office
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every day like also you have like a
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month to return it when you do this not
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the Amazon locker the Amazon locker you
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have one full business day thank you
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very much okay if if you do if you do
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the the UPS prepaid label which is the
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option you should always take they give
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you like a month to return it so it
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doesn't matter if the UPS guy does come
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to your house every day if somebody from
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UPS comes to your house at least once a
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month or you can find a drop box or past
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the UPS store at least once a month you
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just do that it's so my god I can't
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believe you spent that much effort
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because I know the reason I brought all
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this up was not about this particular
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stupid dongle it was not about you know
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whether or not this was the most
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effective way to return this item this
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was just my first experience with an
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Amazon Locker and I thought it was
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really freaking cool and I could see how
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having this at like Whole Foods is is
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would be really convenient and I just
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thought and I think that this is a
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company that that really exists only in
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the ether by most definitions right
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there's there's magic where in you know
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I click some buttons on like my keyboard
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in my mouse then something suddenly
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shows up at my house and I have no
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mechanism why where wherein I can
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physically take something and return it
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to them like yes I understand what you
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just said Marco
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let you pee it the same way it got there
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I get it but I understand but like I
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just thought that this was really
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freaking cool and and yes I understand
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okay you can nitpick everything I just
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said yes there's a local Amazon
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warehouse but no I couldn't have brought
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it there yes I can take you TBS that's
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but I just thought that this was a
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really neat like half way in a really
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neat way to give themselves a foothold
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geographically without having to have a
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full-on brick-and-mortar store and if
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you end up cutting this from the
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released episode fine I just feel like
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it's really cool and after all the
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moaning and complaining we all did about
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the home pod I thought we would like a
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nice story and this to me was a nice
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story so you're gonna try that Amazon
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key thing next where you let Amazon open
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the door to your house and go inside no
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sir no no no that's the next step can be
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neat just try it hate you're installing
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text from China on your laptop why not
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scripts to do some basic rearranging of
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the idea is I have a single folder that
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has a shedload of files be that from the
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but I want them all to be filed away in
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folders that are like you know the the
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root folder / 20 18 / 0 1 and then the
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because this is one of the rare cases
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perfect sense so the file name would be
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something along the lines of 2018 - oh 1
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space which I know some people may not
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agree with whatever doesn't matter then
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the 24-hour time so something like 21 -
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so all this script did was it would
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this I'm gonna do it in Swift and I'm
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gonna make a command line app to do it
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five five hundred lines and it's just
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movies or images and here's the target
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folder and then it will do basically the
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taken when they when the snapshot
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happened or when the recording happened
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rename them and then file them
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appropriately
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took like a burst and you actually kept
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the bursts
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it'll rename it to like you know
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something something something a
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something something something B
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something something something C etc
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cetera et cetera and so there wouldn't
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be any collisions and it will report it
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couldn't figure out when the picture was
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taken because sometimes for example with
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Instagram when you save a picture or
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maybe it's Instagram stories I forget
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what but one way or another sometimes
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there is no exif data so there's no
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reliable way to figure out when was this
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picture taken and and i have the option
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of falling back to like the file
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creation date but sometimes that works
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sometimes it doesn't blah blah so i
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500 lines it does not use any sort of
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third-party library there's no carthage
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there's no cocoapods because I'm not an
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animal and also because I didn't need
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anything and it felt really really good
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like I'm really happy with it it's not
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perfect but
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no this one is mine and it works for me
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during it for whatever reason I had
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never really had an occasion to use what
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old people will call anis operation
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queue what I would call just operation
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queue I'd never really had a need for
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that in the past and I used one and I
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actually found a bug because of it
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earlier today but that's a different
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story but nevertheless this thing is
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multi-threaded so it will it will you
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know spew a whole ton of threads and
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churn through all these files and rename
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them and move them well copy them and so
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on and so forth and I really am happy
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with this now do I plan to release it to
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anyone absolutely not because I wrote it
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for me it works only for me this is it's
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specifically designed to work for me and
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the code kind of looks like garbage
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because I'm not showing it to anyone nor
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do I really plan on open sourcing it
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because I don't really know what good
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will come from that other than people
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laughing it why this is crummy code
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because again I didn't make it super
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testable I didn't make it super robust
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because it's just for me it's okay but
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I'm really pleased with how it worked
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out and a couple of small bugs aside and
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I just thought it was a really neat
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learning experience and maybe the only
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thing that's super interesting for the
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listeners is to say sometimes scratching
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your own itch can really be helpful
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because now I can use operation queues
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with confidence in my work work and I
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understand that operation queue is in
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iOS like I am fully aware of that but
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for whatever reason I just never really
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had a need for it and now and I'm
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picking on this only because it's a
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silly example that that many many iOS
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developers have used in the past
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tomorrow I assume you've used operation
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queues at some point or another sponsor
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overcast I use many of them yeah exactly
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so maybe it's kind of weird that I
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hadn't had a need for one but for
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whatever reason I hadn't and now I've
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used them and so now I kind of know
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something and that's exciting and so I
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just thought it was a useful thing to
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share that you know if you're developer
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even if you're not learning a new
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language to do these sorts of things you
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know if you're not trying to use this as
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an excuse to teach yourself Python for
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example sometimes it's just nice to do
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something different in the language you
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already know and love so that's
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basically it that's all I got
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that's cool yeah like I think this is
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kind of one of the unspoken benefits of
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being a programmer and also just a
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computer user it's like if you as a
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computer user have a problem that you
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would like to be solved in a better or
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different way you know if it's something
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that can be reasonably easily programmed
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and you're a programmer you can just do
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it you can just make something that does
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this for you it's very empowering it's
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really amazing and it's one of the
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amazing things about modern computers
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like about all computers really that
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like you know that give people the power
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to do that if they learn the you know
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relatively accessible skill of
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programming like then you can do lots of
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cool things like this we know whether
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it's as simple as like you know an Excel
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macro all the way down to doing
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something cool like this with Swift and
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operation cues on you know on the
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command line this is just it's one of
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the great satisfactions and advantages
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of being a programmer is that you can
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you know if you have a problem there's a
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decent chance you can make a solution to
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it if one doesn't exist out there that's
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exactly what you want yep exactly right
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and and and I think your point that you
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just made is very important that this
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doesn't have to be writing a swift
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command line app this can be just like
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you said something in Excel it can be
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something with Automator again if you're
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one of those iOS weirdos like Federico
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and Mike and you can do this using
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workflow I mean it's all there's all
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sorts of different things you can do in
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in all different levels of the stack
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there are levels of abstraction and it's
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just really really nice and convenient
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and yeah there's a couple of minor bugs
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I need to work out it occurred to me
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earlier tonight that the problem with
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going multi-threaded is that as multiple
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threads are trying to figure out if
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there's name collisions sometimes the
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one thread will think there's not a name
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collision and by the time it gets to
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copying the file there will be a name
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collision which is unwise I need to I
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need to clean that up a little bit and
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make sure I have some gates in there
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where where those sorts of things are
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being figured out but nonetheless the
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point I'm driving at is whatever the
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level may be be it in assembly or be it
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in an Excel macro or anything in between
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it's just really really neat to be able
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to solve these sorts of problems for
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yourself and once I get this thing like
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really and truly locked in which I think
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I'm pretty darn close this is going to
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be perfect for me for
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ever because it was written for me like
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no III guess my first contracting
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assignment for for my newfound future
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which may or may not ever happen of
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being an iOS or or Mac contractor I
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hired myself I wrote this for myself and
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you know what I did a pretty great job
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it's perfect short of that one bug so
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it's it's this sort of thing like in
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again is the I can't stress enough like
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whatever your abilities may be there's
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something like this that you can do it
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may even be in workflow it may be
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whatever but there's something like this
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you can do and it feels so great once
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it's done
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forecast is another great example
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actually that was written entirely for
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you wasn't it like you never and
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sidetrack still is like sidetrack is is
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the is the drift sink utility like
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that's still written just for me in the
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language I already knew but doing
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something that was totally new to me
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like you know similar what you were just
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saying like it was wonderful and solved
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a really big problem I had editing
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podcast and lighting on people's tracks
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like it but you know and but like you
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know like you're probably gonna get at
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least two or three people asking you
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don't like open source says you know
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I've had handfuls of people ask me over
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the years that side to side track is now
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I think like four years old you know
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I've given to a few friends here and
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there but like it's it's not releasable
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like there's a lot like it works you
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know this is one of the advantages of
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making things for yourself it works for
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me most of the time right exactly like
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you know give it something it doesn't
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expect or or some kind of condition I
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didn't consider or that I never run into
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myself so it's not really tested and you
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know it might not work so well or might
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not work at all or it might do weird
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things and and so you know it like
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making something releasable and then
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releasing it is way different and way
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more work than making something that
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works for you and that's occasionally
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worth doing you know some things are
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worth release into the world for like
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the benefit of the world or maybe for
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some kind of business reason but but you
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know it there's nothing wrong with
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making things that are just for you that
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you never share with anybody or that you
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share with only a couple of friends like
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it doesn't have to be a releasable big
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thing like i have i usually use shell
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scripts for these kinds of tasks and i
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just like using shell scripts a lot but
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like I have a giant shell script that
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takes the input files from each of the
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podcasts I do so
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takes like my file the file you give me
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the file that John gives me for this
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show and it doesn't I don't even have to
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move them out of Dropbox anymore it goes
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and looks in Dropbox for the files where
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them puts you know moves all the
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channels around decodes the weird call
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recorder files like you know it does all
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this stuff mostly by like calling out to
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ffmpeg and stuff like that lines them
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all up and outputs all the right files
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and it's just a big shell script and I
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made it just for me just to help me with
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this task I do every week that's kind of
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tedious if I do it manually and it's
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great and like just the ability of
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programmers to do this is just it's so
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wonderful and productive like as to be a
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power user of a computer than to also be
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able to do at least a little bit of
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program and you can just make the
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computer work so much better for you and
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take them to and take even more
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advantage of the massive amount of
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computational power that is at our
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fingertips just waiting for the right
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software to come along and actually use
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it one uh one other final thought on
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this which I forgot to mention earlier
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the I do have a problem with this thing
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that I've written and the problem that I
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have is that now I kind of want to make
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a full-on Mac app like not a command
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line app like a full-on GUI Mac app
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where it'll basically that's my problem
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with the thing you wrote the fact that
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you called it a Mac app and I was all
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excited Wow in case you wrote a man
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shell script in Swift as much as I
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really want to get angry and argue with
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you I think that is actually a fair
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characterization but um but now I kind
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of do want to want to mark I usually
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make overcast for the Mac but just make
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it you know a command line script thing
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that just hits hits the web into Ray's
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endpoints and pulls down the audio that
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way it would just be a shell script just
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like pipe it to like you know hey am
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play or whatever this is a really long
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alias for a curl command yeah but no now
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I do kind of want a GUI apps so rather
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than just going on faith that this will
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work which again short of this one bug
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has worked pretty well the few times
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I've used it so far but I'd actually I'm
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thinking about maybe quote-unquote
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upgrading this to be a full-on GUI app
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such that this way I can kind of stage
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okay here's what we think this file
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should be named and here's where it will
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belong it
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like image capture like make it
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like image capture like make it
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as much money I wanted to be nicer
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inside probably you know I'm thinking
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like well the Volvo is probably nicer
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inside than this thing oh very much so
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yeah and it's similar price and also
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bigger and so you're trading a lot it
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seemed like down market in exchange for
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sportiness I was surprised at how much
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Headroom it seemed to have that was
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pretty nice but even with the sunroof
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things seemed like you had enough room
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to put a helmet on in there you could
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fit your tall hair yeah and I do have
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tall hair but I mean again I've never
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really had an interference fit with my
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head in a slam roof so I can't say that
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I'm surprised by that I don't think I'm
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a good judge of these things in some of
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the footage that I filmed I did make
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direct comparisons to Aaron's car but
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part of the reason I left that out well
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a lot of it was that was early on and
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basically I'd never come up with like a
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formal script for anything I record I do
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have some like broad talking points that
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I think through when I'm when I'm
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recording but I don't have a script or
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anything like that and so footage that I
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filmed early in the week I made a lot of
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comparisons Darren's car but it just
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seemed like that wasn't terribly
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relevant because as you said John like I
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haven't formally reviewed Aaron's car
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and so I think when I do the video
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review of Aaron's car I will probably
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make some comparisons to the stell vo
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but I think to do that in the reverse
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order would have been ill-suited but
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yeah I think you didn't hit the nail on
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the head like Aaron's car is not
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particularly sporty it given that it's a
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freaking whale it moves pretty well his
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car moves pretty well but it's not fast
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this thing felt actually reasonably
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quick and moved in turn you know handled
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really well all told I was very very
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surprised by that and so I think you're
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right in saying that you would give up
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some luxury in moving from a Volvo xc90
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or perhaps an XC 60 which is a more
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direct competitor to this you would give
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up a little bit of luxury but you would
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gain a lot of sportiness I haven't tried
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the xc60 the brand new xc60 cuz that
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just got revamped this year to be
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basically a mini version of Aaron's car
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but another part of the reason why I
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didn't think it was a fair comparison is
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because this is more x3 whereas the the
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xc90 that we have is more like an x5 or
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even a quote-unquote x7 if you will
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because it's you know ours is 3 row
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whereas I don't think you can get an X
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