The Accidental Tech Podcast

258: Non-Beta Data

 

  at work yeah that's what I was curious [TS]

  about too and I didn't know if I just [TS]

  hadn't read the right documentation yet [TS]

  or something but the thought of having [TS]

  all of my health records from all of my [TS]

  different health professionals all in [TS]

  one spot all for me to be able to see [TS]

  that genuinely sounds really awesome but [TS]

  Color Me a little skeptical that that'll [TS]

  actually be what ends up happening [TS]

  because I mean look at Apple pay which [TS]

  is a seemingly odd analogy to use but [TS]

  like I feel like in America it's pulling [TS]

  teeth to get an its to get a retailer to [TS]

  use Apple pay and that's to give them [TS]

  money and here it's like what is going [TS]

  to encourage anyone insurance companies [TS]

  or doctors or whomever to share medical [TS]

  records I mean yeah there are records in [TS]

  theory since it's our bodies etc etc but [TS]

  I don't know I don't see any real [TS]

  incentive to get health providers or [TS]

  insurance companies or whatever to [TS]

  provide this information to us well but [TS]

  have them in government incentives to [TS]

  make them adopt some of the things that [TS]

  would make them potentially closer to [TS]

  supporting this type of feature but not [TS]

  anytime soon there won't be if there's [TS]

  one thing that's true and they know [TS]

  there has been in the past like the all [TS]

  meaningful use thing then in past years [TS]

  was to try to get you know medical [TS]

  businesses in the u.s. to adopt [TS]

  electronic health record stuff like who [TS]

  knows how affect it was but anyway this [TS]

  is one thing that's true about [TS]

  healthcare in the u.s. is that getting [TS]

  all of your medical anything anywhere is [TS]

  basically impossible so I would love to [TS]

  have all my medical stop stop right [TS]

  there unless you were very very lucky [TS]

  it's not gonna happen it's hard enough [TS]

  to get any of your medical so if you are [TS]

  astronomically lucky and all of your [TS]

  health records happen to be at the tiny [TS]

  subset of medical institutions and [TS]

  providers that are participating in this [TS]

  program yes you could have all of your [TS]

  medical records in this thing but [TS]

  chances are very very good that some of [TS]

  your medical records will not be [TS]

  participating in this and so it's just [TS]

  an adoption problem so I I like to see [TS]

  Apple tackling this and they're trying [TS]

  to do it in a sort of you know agnostic [TS]

  way using standard [TS]

  protocols for interchange so it's not [TS]

  like some Apple proprietary thing where [TS]

  Apple has to convince everybody to adopt [TS]

  some standards it's just that getting [TS]

  all of any medical things in the US do [TS]

  anything is very difficult because it's [TS]

  a very diverse shall we say environment [TS]

  of providers and technology expertise [TS]

  and motivation and financial incentive [TS]

  to support something like this all right [TS]

  then John in the gifts just keep coming [TS]

  for you you have El Capitan fixes that [TS]

  you're choosing not to install and TV OS [TS]

  11.3 has a new gift for you does it not [TS]

  I really get from me because even though [TS]

  I have an older Apple TV it's not hooked [TS]

  up to a television set that I think can [TS]

  even do 24 frames per second like its [TS]

  cuts up to a crappy TV like a bedroom TV [TS]

  right so anyway the one changed it is [TS]

  most interesting to me in TV OS 11.3 [TS]

  which is currently in beta is frame rate [TS]

  matching which was previously only [TS]

  supported on the Apple TV 4k is now [TS]

  supported on the one that looks exactly [TS]

  like the Apple TV 4k but isn't because [TS]

  it doesn't have slots in the box that's [TS]

  mine [TS]

  yeah so now you get that feature too I [TS]

  don't know I also don't know if you have [TS]

  a television that condition was like [TS]

  probably not almost sure I do not yeah [TS]

  but that was the question before is like [TS]

  why isn't this support is it some kind [TS]

  of hardware limitation no they just [TS]

  didn't get around to it software another [TS]

  getting around to it so thumbs up for [TS]

  that alright let's do some ask ATP some [TS]

  guy I've never heard of Todd Vaziri [TS]

  writes with your iPhone 10 experience [TS]

  are there any signs that Apple intends [TS]

  to unify 3d touch and a long press to [TS]

  give the same result or do you feel it [TS]

  that they have every intention of [TS]

  keeping these two gestures separate and [TS]

  distinctive I even looked at gesture [TS]

  recognizers in a while and nor have I [TS]

  really fiddled with 3d touch api's but [TS]

  as far as I can tell and just as a user [TS]

  it seems to me that it's pretty clearly [TS]

  going to be kept separate but I don't [TS]

  know marco have you been looking through [TS]

  these api's more recently to have any [TS]

  thoughts on this I I don't have any [TS]

  thoughts I don't think it's gonna be [TS]

  touched in any meaningful way I think [TS]

  it's gonna stay the way it is now which [TS]

  is basically like you know most things [TS]

  are 3d touch or nothing and occasionally [TS]

  one of the app developers either Apple [TS]

  or third-party [TS]

  will have some good idea oh you know we [TS]

  should make this available with long [TS]

  press eventually and then eventually [TS]

  somebody does it but [TS]

  it's probably gonna always be you know [TS]

  3d touch first kind of like how the [TS]

  clear all notifications thing remember [TS]

  wasn't that 3d touch first and then [TS]

  eventually they had a long press it's [TS]

  probably gonna be like that that kind of [TS]

  pattern I'm just like 3d touches first [TS]

  long press if somebody gets to it but do [TS]

  you think like I think part of this [TS]

  question is like are the do the api's [TS]

  make it look like there will ever be a [TS]

  way to like you know coalesce them in [TS]

  terms of you'd write an application to [TS]

  handle one kind of event and both of [TS]

  those things that happen on the screen [TS]

  could funnel into one kind of event or [TS]

  do you think the API still reflect the [TS]

  fact that they are entirely separate [TS]

  entirely separate I mean you could write [TS]

  something like in your app that would [TS]

  you know respond to either one alright [TS]

  and you could write some kind of [TS]

  reusable component to make that easier [TS]

  to do but as far as I could tell Apple [TS]

  has not moved in that direction at all I [TS]

  could be wrong could I couldn't miss [TS]

  something but I don't think so yeah I [TS]

  don't think that we they're just like my [TS]

  impression from the outside not looking [TS]

  at the guys but just looking how they're [TS]

  used is that I would go so far as to say [TS]

  that Apple thinks there actually is an [TS]

  important distinction between 3d touch [TS]

  and long press that should be meaningful [TS]

  in that UI and cases where they merely [TS]

  say long press is just an affordance for [TS]

  people who have devices about 3d per [TS]

  touch are kind of in the minority like [TS]

  it seems like especially as 3d touch [TS]

  spreads to more and more device or at [TS]

  least phones I know because they don't [TS]

  have it on iPads the 3d touch is a [TS]

  different thing than long press now and [TS]

  it may still be an optional thing like [TS]

  oh if you happen to have a device that [TS]

  can support you can get this feature but [TS]

  that is not it's not the same thing as [TS]

  long press despite the fact a lot of [TS]

  people like wish it was that it was just [TS]

  more community long rest and and using [TS]

  the phone from my perspective it feels [TS]

  different to me I wouldn't want it to be [TS]

  just an alternate way to do long press [TS]

  because it just it just feels so very [TS]

  different so I think I'm mostly on the [TS]

  same page for the Apple here despite the [TS]

  fact that it is somewhat confusing to [TS]

  have to explain to people I I don't [TS]

  think they're interchangeable they don't [TS]

  feel interchangeable to me I tend to [TS]

  agree [TS]

  Alex writes what is their play to and [TS]

  why is it so hard for both developers [TS]

  and Apple to implement it so I guess [TS]

  marco jumping whenever you're ready but [TS]

  airplay to is it supposed to be [TS]

  other than multi room stuff which you [TS]

  can't really do with airplay one unless [TS]

  you're using iTunes on a Mac is it [TS]

  supposed to be kind of self-sufficient [TS]

  where it's more like a Google chromecast [TS]

  sort of scenario where you just tell it [TS]

  hey go play this thing [TS]

  over there and it does it all by itself [TS]

  or is that completely wrong [TS]

  that's how about halfway wrong it's so [TS]

  so basically the way our play one worked [TS]

  was kind of like it's not that different [TS]

  from like how Bluetooth audio works just [TS]

  done over Wi-Fi it is you know what they [TS]

  call basically a real-time protocol just [TS]

  a stream that you screaming to the [TS]

  airplay one device there is a fixed [TS]

  latency that all airplay one devices [TS]

  have of two seconds and everything goes [TS]

  over that same stream that same latency [TS]

  audio gets streamed at that rate [TS]

  commands like play pause or seek get [TS]

  streamed at that rate that's why with an [TS]

  airplay speaker if you hit pause in your [TS]

  phone it takes two seconds before it [TS]

  actually pauses and so it was a simpler [TS]

  protocol it was launched forever ago and [TS]

  you know back then things had to be [TS]

  simpler for just technical practicality [TS]

  reasons so airplay one very simple [TS]

  protocol what you're alluding to Casey [TS]

  how how Sonos and the Google cast [TS]

  protocols usually work is basically like [TS]

  the speaker in those cases or like the [TS]

  the casted to device is controlling and [TS]

  and playing the whatever the media is [TS]

  itself it isn't having a device send it [TS]

  a stream of media in most cases the the [TS]

  Sonos speaker or google chromecast [TS]

  whatever is given like a URL and say [TS]

  play play the file here and the client [TS]

  applications are basically giving it [TS]

  commands whenever they feel like it okay [TS]

  pause it now play this thing instead or [TS]

  whatever else but the advantage of a [TS]

  system like that is your phone or [TS]

  whatever is streaming the audio from or [TS]

  causing the audio to be streamed is not [TS]

  actually really involved in the [TS]

  real-time playback so like the example [TS]

  that that look that is often given is [TS]

  like if you go out and take out the [TS]

  trash during a party and your phone is [TS]

  is what's telling Sonos to play this [TS]

  playlist when you leave your houses of [TS]

  Wi-Fi for 30 seconds the music isn't [TS]

  gonna stop it's gonna keep playing [TS]

  because your phone is simply giving a [TS]

  command sometimes when you tell it to [TS]

  it isn't streaming the audio itself the [TS]

  you know the device for so notice in [TS]

  Google class or whatever is is getting [TS]

  the audio itself over the network and [TS]

  only just doing what your phone tells it [TS]

  to when it's time to make changes [TS]

  airplay never worked that way airplay [TS]

  was always [TS]

  real-time streamed from the source [TS]

  device to the speaker question yeah home [TS]

  pod literature or whatever PR literature [TS]

  makes that claim about it that that it [TS]

  you that it's just pulling the music [TS]

  from Apple music not pulling it from [TS]

  your phone but it doesn't currently [TS]

  support airplay - yes so there's there's [TS]

  a few different things here so that what [TS]

  the home pot is doing with Apple music [TS]

  first of all I believe that applies only [TS]

  to Apple music and that is because the [TS]

  home pod does appear from what they're [TS]

  saying to be a native Apple music client [TS]

  in the sense that you can ask it to play [TS]

  something from Apple music I don't know [TS]

  if your phone is involved in the Siri [TS]

  request itself but once it is playing it [TS]

  does sound like I can just keep playing [TS]

  without your phone's presence so that is [TS]

  a separate thing that's not involving [TS]

  airplay too though [TS]

  so what airplay to does is kind of just [TS]

  a halfway point between these are kind [TS]

  of like a better airplay one so what it [TS]

  lets you do is buffer for much larger [TS]

  chunks of data and what Apple said in [TS]

  the UC session about it they said [TS]

  basically think minutes instead of [TS]

  seconds and it lets you buffer faster [TS]

  than real time so you know airplay one [TS]

  was a fixed two-second latency [TS]

  everywhere the streaming device supplied [TS]

  the audio in real time the playing [TS]

  device played it in real time there's a [TS]

  two-second buffer on the playing device [TS]

  airplay to the streaming device is asked [TS]

  to supply the audio as fast as it can [TS]

  faster than real time until the buffer [TS]

  fills up and so your airplay to client [TS]

  program that's playing media has to be [TS]

  able to feed the buffer a lot like you [TS]

  know 5 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever [TS]

  it is of the future audio and then the [TS]

  playing device maintains that buffer and [TS]

  plays it in real time and notifies you [TS]

  of you know what point it has reached in [TS]

  playback and so this changes a bunch of [TS]

  things this is a really big foundational [TS]

  change to how this works there are a [TS]

  number of big advantages so number one [TS]

  is that scenario of taking out the [TS]

  grabbers during a party as long as [TS]

  you're not taking like 20 minutes [TS]

  outside to take the garbage out in which [TS]

  case I would say you have to think about [TS]

  your a home layout that's too much of a [TS]

  trip [TS]

  you know it should be fine you should [TS]

  get back inside in time for that you [TS]

  know minutes long buffer the two do not [TS]

  have to under run itself also you know [TS]

  in as we talked about during Euro ads [TS]

  like a lot of times like places in your [TS]

  house are kind of Wi-Fi dead zones and [TS]

  so the same problem with that was like [TS]

  there's lots of like common scenarios [TS]

  where like if your airplane anybody [TS]

  who's ever done airplay hasn't you know [TS]

  you know this because this has probably [TS]

  happened to you at some point where like [TS]

  you know the person with the phone is [TS]

  walking around somewhere and drops out [TS]

  arrange for a second and the music stops [TS]

  or skips or whatever also another big [TS]

  advantage of this of breaking it out of [TS]

  that like fixed latency model is that [TS]

  commands to change so play pause seek [TS]

  commands those can happen faster than [TS]

  that two-second buffer those can happen [TS]

  basically as quickly as the as the [TS]

  device receives and processes them so [TS]

  like any other Wi-Fi command in your [TS]

  house so it can be really fast so way [TS]

  faster way more responsive playback [TS]

  controls as well as that long super long [TS]

  buffer and it's also airplay one did [TS]

  support multi-room audio in some way I'm [TS]

  not familiar with the details of how it [TS]

  coordinated it but I think only iTunes [TS]

  on the Mac could ever really officially [TS]

  be the source for that there was never a [TS]

  way for it to have an iOS device as the [TS]

  source of multi-room audio with airplay [TS]

  one airplay to that is now possible you [TS]

  cannot do multi-room audio with the iOS [TS]

  device as the source of that so that's [TS]

  another big change I don't really know [TS]

  what has changed by the protocol to [TS]

  allow that but I'm sure it's I'm sure [TS]

  there's a good reason also because the [TS]

  playback buffering and the media supply [TS]

  has been separated from the command [TS]

  interface of like play pause you can now [TS]

  have multiple devices in your house [TS]

  being able to control the play pause [TS]

  type controls of a stream it's playing [TS]

  from not them so like you and your [TS]

  spouse can both have play pause control [TS]

  over the music playing from only one of [TS]

  your phones to the airplay to speaker so [TS]

  also you know fun stuff there's also [TS]

  separation now of phone call status from [TS]

  airplay so you can for instance take a [TS]

  phone call on your phone that is air [TS]

  playing music to a speak [TS]

  and the music continues to play back on [TS]

  that speaker while you're on the phone [TS]

  call that didn't happen before so this [TS]

  and so this is all a lot of major [TS]

  changes and this is I think one of the [TS]

  reasons why this is taking so long - and [TS]

  wide airplay - seems to be the big delay [TS]

  for the home pod this is tons of new iOS [TS]

  api's tons of new background processes [TS]

  and changes to fundamental things in iOS [TS]

  to make all this happen also on the [TS]

  device side on the speaker side you now [TS]

  have this you know long buffering [TS]

  mechanism and that's much more complex [TS]

  than before you know I'm sure Apple has [TS]

  some kind of component or a library or [TS]

  something that they will sell [TS]

  manufacturers to make this easier on [TS]

  them to you know to kind of automate [TS]

  this for them would be like a drop in [TS]

  component or something but it's more [TS]

  complex than airplay one was by a lot [TS]

  and even airplay one the client [TS]

  implementations tended to suck that [TS]

  weren't apples like there was like one [TS]

  airplay chip that every airplay speaker [TS]

  used and it sucked it was unreliable and [TS]

  it was terrible so I'm guessing the [TS]

  delay in the speaker availability is [TS]

  because this is more complex and you [TS]

  know maybe maybe the industry was caught [TS]

  off guard a little bit who knows maybe [TS]

  maybe Apple hasn't actually really [TS]

  finished it yet and they're just not [TS]

  saying that but either way it's a [TS]

  complex protocol and then on the [TS]

  software side on the iOS side and [TS]

  probably the home pod side this is [TS]

  complex III ran into some of this [TS]

  complexity when I started looking at [TS]

  these api's for overcast and the main [TS]

  complexity here is these streaming the [TS]

  music to the buffer is now disconnected [TS]

  from what time stamp or even like what [TS]

  track is actually playing at that moment [TS]

  because you can read ahead by so far [TS]

  like before with the old airplay one [TS]

  model whatever function in your app [TS]

  supplied the audio to the output stream [TS]

  could notify the app as that happened [TS]

  you're now at timestamp one you're now [TS]

  at timestamp two and as soon as it [TS]

  played through a track you can say this [TS]

  track has finished playing you're now [TS]

  playing this next track now it can [TS]

  buffer so far ahead of real time [TS]

  that the production of the audio in your [TS]

  app the thing that is supplying the [TS]

  audio has to be a separate thing [TS]

  entirely from what parts of your app [TS]

  manage what time stamp it's playing at [TS]

  and what track is currently playing and [TS]

  they they've moved all that out now to [TS]

  this new like synchronizer object that [TS]

  you need so like none of this is like [TS]

  difficult to to deal with but it's [TS]

  different it's it's a major change from [TS]

  the way it used to work and there's also [TS]

  things like like for instance if you if [TS]

  your app has like a concept of like a [TS]

  playlist and an item that is coming up [TS]

  it's changed say the user deletes an [TS]

  entry in a playlist or reorder as a [TS]

  playlist and that part has already been [TS]

  buffered you now have to tell the buffer [TS]

  thing oh and everything after this [TS]

  timestamp is now different reload it so [TS]

  there's there's all sorts of big and [TS]

  small changes like that needed to adopt [TS]

  this kind of model and none of them are [TS]

  difficult or impossible it's just a lot [TS]

  of things to deal with it's a lot of [TS]

  change a lot of potential for new bugs [TS]

  or not realizing that old bugs were [TS]

  really bugs and so it's like even doing [TS]

  it for overcast is a is a pretty major [TS]

  undertaking that I'm nowhere near done [TS]

  with I've only done like the early [TS]

  stages of it and now can I put on the [TS]

  back burner because now I know that it's [TS]

  not going to be imminent and I have more [TS]

  pressing things I want to do but it's a [TS]

  big change to audio applications and to [TS]

  these systems in iOS that manage them so [TS]

  I think there's very very good [TS]

  justification for airplay - to be late [TS]

  and for Apple to be running behind I [TS]

  think they should have probably [TS]

  anticipated it better and plan for it [TS]

  better but oh well they're all this is [TS]

  just to say that technically speaking [TS]

  this is a nice improvement it is also a [TS]

  really big job so it's totally [TS]

  reasonable for it to be like you know [TS]

  harder than they might have predicted or [TS]

  taking longer than they predicted you [TS]

  have a fun class of bugs like you could [TS]

  have a bug based on what you described [TS]

  where the speaker is playing a song but [TS]

  but your your player application on your [TS]

  phone indicates that it's playing a [TS]

  different song so I can it goes to the [TS]

  next track you didn't do that [TS]

  synchronization thing that you said oh [TS]

  by the way they've deleted something the [TS]

  your phone will say I'm happily playing [TS]

  song a and you [TS]

  hearing a totally different song comes [TS]

  through the speaker you'd be like this [TS]

  thing is totally broken how does that [TS]

  even happen well now we know how it [TS]

  happens yeah or like as it starts [TS]

  buffering if you didn't do the time [TS]

  stamp you know change of how it reports [TS]

  what time you're playing until then like [TS]

  you can have it if you watch your time [TS]

  thing in the app you started playing to [TS]

  a speaker and your time starts racing [TS]

  ahead by like 10 minutes all of a sudden [TS]

  but you're not hearing at that fast like [TS]

  there's so many or like it races to the [TS]

  end and deletes the file because so it's [TS]

  played already gone like there's there's [TS]

  a lot of potential for big and small [TS]

  bugs here in your application if they [TS]

  change the playback speed midstream you [TS]

  have to invalidate everything that you [TS]

  freeze the uploaded at the other speed [TS]

  yep or if they toggle off smart speed [TS]

  yep anything or if you seek I think if [TS]

  you I don't think it actually does in [TS]

  the current protocol I'm not sure [TS]

  actually does seeking anyway and you [TS]

  know what concern I have too is like [TS]

  this stuff is all so early and so [TS]

  complex and such a big undertaking I'm [TS]

  not sure I want to devote a whole bunch [TS]

  of time to changing my entire audio [TS]

  engine to support this before I know [TS]

  that the API is solid and given that [TS]

  Apple is delaying their own airplay to [TS]

  stuff and I'm kind of worried that maybe [TS]

  the API is not done yet or not baked yet [TS]

  so in it there's another reason why I've [TS]

  kind of paused my work on this for now [TS]

  yeah I could end up like crashing your [TS]

  application in scenarios where their [TS]

  person is not even using airplay to just [TS]

  because of how you had to rejigger the [TS]

  internals which is not a great thing to [TS]

  happen all right what are we in the [TS]

  middle of were in the middle of SKT P [TS]

  right yep okay and rule in limb penning [TS]

  rights could John please detail his [TS]

  method for reading extremely long soft [TS]

  Carver boats without ruining spine where [TS]

  the hell did this even come from what [TS]

  about some other podcast that I'm on [TS]

  that and repair business do I discussed [TS]

  this I think you two should know about [TS]

  it too in the long history of weird [TS]

  things that have anyway I I when I was [TS]

  younger I had a lot of books like paper [TS]

  books before I got on the book bandwagon [TS]

  and I had a lot of paperback books when [TS]

  I was younger and some of them are [TS]

  really thick because I'm big Stephen [TS]

  King fan and [TS]

  books are long and eventually I got into [TS]

  books as a thing that you can buy like [TS]

  sort of a physical object in addition to [TS]

  the words that they contain in fact I'm [TS]

  still like that I read e-books mostly [TS]

  but I still like physical books often I [TS]

  will buy a physical book but still read [TS]

  the e-book anyway we've got a lot of [TS]

  soft covers and I like them I got a lot [TS]

  of series that had cool spines I put [TS]

  them up all on my shelf arranged them [TS]

  they looked nice pretty soon after [TS]

  getting my first collection of [TS]

  paperbacks I decided that didn't like [TS]

  how the books looked when the spines [TS]

  were broken if you opened up a paperback [TS]

  really wide the nice printed spine on it [TS]

  will get a big white you know crease or [TS]

  crack on it and if you read the book [TS]

  eventually you have cracks going up and [TS]

  down the whole spine anyone who has had [TS]

  a big thick paperback book knows about [TS]

  this so I didn't like that so eventually [TS]

  I decided I'm going to read all myself [TS]

  cover books no matter how thick they are [TS]

  without breaking the spine and that's [TS]

  what this question is about how do you [TS]

  do that [TS]

  unfortunately for Andrew the answer is [TS]

  exactly how you would think you do that [TS]

  you don't open the book really wide you [TS]

  support the spine with your fingers [TS]

  behind it and you open it a crack [TS]

  anybody like how are you gonna read an [TS]

  entire literally eight hundred page book [TS]

  peeking into this tiny crevice to read [TS]

  the text out of the you know like it you [TS]

  know there is no secret the secret you [TS]

  know like the technique is put your [TS]

  fingers on the back of the spine so you [TS]

  can feel what's happening at the back of [TS]

  that spine and open it as wide as you [TS]

  can before it greases and just be really [TS]

  really careful and I don't think that's [TS]

  a particularly fun way I read I think [TS]

  people should buy ebooks because they're [TS]

  way better than paper books but paper [TS]

  books you're beautiful so you should [TS]

  still buy them and collect them and [TS]

  display them so how do you use an iPhone [TS]

  without scratching it well you keep it [TS]

  in a small felt pouch every single time [TS]

  you use it you never actually in the [TS]

  pouch ever yeah but what could possibly [TS]

  be more convenient than the pouch is [TS]

  awesome I like here's the thing about I [TS]

  originally I'd started doing it for the [TS]

  reason you you noted for like scratch [TS]

  ability but I have come to appreciate [TS]

  the fingerprint like I don't I don't [TS]

  ever have to clean off my phone screen [TS]

  which is apparently things a lot of [TS]

  people have to do or their phone screens [TS]

  look [TS]

  gusting because every time it goes in [TS]

  and out of my pouch it gets cleaned of [TS]

  course and when it stays in there and it [TS]

  rubs around like it's a microfiber thing [TS]

  it is always cleaning my phone screen [TS]

  that's nice [TS]

  so a year of using my jet-black iPhone 7 [TS]

  and you know how much should ever matter [TS]

  how scratched it was not at all [TS]

  you know how much I ever noticed zero at [TS]

  the back I'm talking about talking about [TS]

  the front actually you know what case on [TS]

  that so I don't care about the back I [TS]

  actually do have a small problem with [TS]

  the iPhone 10 I'm getting scratches on [TS]

  my screen really on the front yeah why [TS]

  from what I don't know like they're [TS]

  they're not like deep scratches but you [TS]

  know when the light hits certain angle [TS]

  you can see them and I think I think I [TS]

  heard from a few other people that they [TS]

  were having a similar issue like I've [TS]

  never had I phone screen scratches that [TS]

  noticeable I'm getting scratches on my [TS]

  iPhone 10 like already so I don't know I [TS]

  don't know what's up they like micro [TS]

  like a very micro scratches like maybe [TS]

  they're just scratches in the sort of [TS]

  oleophobic whatever coating and not like [TS]

  actually in the class [TS]

  maybe I mean I get like they they don't [TS]

  look deep like you can't see them at all [TS]

  angles if you turn the screen off [TS]

  they're pretty they're pretty noticeable [TS]

  mm-hmm that's interesting anyway I don't [TS]

  have any online pouch it's an answer it [TS]

  may not be the answer but it is an [TS]

  answer I will concede it is an answer on [TS]

  the back of my jet-black iPhone 7 I'm [TS]

  sure its pristine underneath my leather [TS]

  case good for it I'm sure that's that's [TS]

  gonna really be it's gonna really matter [TS]

  a long term yeah but I've already [TS]

  decided that I'm not speaking of keeping [TS]

  phones pristine I'm not gonna give my my [TS]

  any of my kids this iPhone 7 like I [TS]

  handed down my iPhone 6 and you know god [TS]

  knows what my son is doing to it for the [TS]

  7 I'm like no no we'll buy you like an [TS]

  iPhone se use or something but we're not [TS]

  you're not getting my 7 I spent all this [TS]

  time keeping it pristine like this is [TS]

  this I put my iPhone 7 I think is in the [TS]

  category of like my ac30 in my 2008 Mac [TS]

  Pro I really like this phone I mean I [TS]

  grant I've only had two iPhones but this [TS]

  is by far my favorite like there's [TS]

  nothing about it that is bad even the [TS]

  lack of that phone port like I've you [TS]

  know I think as iPhone 7 is great and [TS]

  I'm now appreciating it as my last like [TS]

  pre iPhone 10 not [TS]

  era of Apple phone you know yeah it [TS]

  honestly like you know as we talked [TS]

  about it in our iPhone 7 exit interview [TS]

  segment I like looking back on it like I [TS]

  don't want to go back to it because I [TS]

  like the 10 too much but that really was [TS]

  a great phone like David really it was [TS]

  it was a great phone yeah and it's great [TS]

  too and everything but you know [TS]

  overshadowed by the tensile be like and [TS]

  I didn't get the 8 right so I've got the [TS]

  7 and this is my phone that like hit the [TS]

  sweet spot of like the culmination of a [TS]

  long evolution of a particular phone [TS]

  factor before Apple took a hard left [TS]

  turn to iPhone Penland also like the 8 [TS]

  doesn't have the jet black finish and [TS]

  that to me was a critical part of why [TS]

  the 7 was so awesome because it so [TS]

  dramatically improved and changed the [TS]

  feel of the phone like it really gave [TS]

  that awesome caseless grip that I miss I [TS]

  you know the iPhone 10 is better than [TS]

  like the previous aluminum ones but it's [TS]

  still not as good as the iPhone 7 grip [TS]

  but I like the rest of it so I'm keeping [TS]

  it I guess even though my screen is [TS]

  scratched anyway thanks to our sponsors [TS]

  this week Casper betterment and SRC and [TS]

  we will talk to you next week now the [TS]

  show is over [TS]

  they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  the only research Margaux and Casey [TS]

  wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

  accidentally was accidental and you can [TS]

  find the show notes at ADP CAS pyl ISS [TS]

  so that's Casey less and a are Co a RM [TS]

  auntie Marco Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

  I I really I do this every year I guess [TS]

  this is my my lose weight kind of New [TS]

  Year's resolution even though it's not a [TS]

  resolution it's just something I remind [TS]

  myself of every year and every year you [TS]

  know January comes around I remind [TS]

  myself you know what you should really [TS]

  be less negative Casey up on the [TS]

  internet and stop complaining and [TS]

  moaning about things which I don't think [TS]

  I do [TS]

  overwhelmingly but I do probably more [TS]

  than I should and then something like [TS]

  this happens I see a news report saying [TS]

  BMW is going to charge $80 a year for a [TS]

  subscription of carplay $80 for a [TS]

  subscription of carplay that involves no [TS]

  like cloud services or anything like [TS]

  that of any sort [TS]

  it's just $80 for them to not cut you [TS]

  off for the thing in your car yeah what [TS]

  what huh there's a number of angles to [TS]

  this so like a few people asked when [TS]

  this first came out like well do we know [TS]

  like his Apple charging them dearly and [TS]

  we don't have a firm answer on that [TS]

  apparently somebody heard from some car [TS]

  maker that Apple does not charge fees [TS]

  for car play and there certainly is not [TS]

  an annual fee Apple did say so [TS]

  according to Gruber this is website [TS]

  Gruber says I've now received the [TS]

  following clarification from Apple there [TS]

  is no fee for OEMs for either MFI or [TS]

  carplay integration there never has been [TS]

  and and then every will to my knowledge [TS]

  there are no plans to this change there [TS]

  is no royalty costs or ongoing costs the [TS]

  only cost automakers are those necessary [TS]

  to create the hardware this includes an [TS]

  authentication chip alright that's good [TS]

  okay so anyway so that rules that out [TS]

  but anyway so this does solve a problem [TS]

  I don't think it solves it in the right [TS]

  way but there there is a problem that [TS]

  BMWs as you know case you from having [TS]

  bought them especially I have about them [TS]

  used certain options like this there are [TS]

  options at you know I purchased when the [TS]

  car is new and you can't add them later [TS]

  the car play there's not much reason [TS]

  like it's like a three [TS]

  hundred dollar option normally before [TS]

  this thing there's not a lot of reason [TS]

  that they had to charge three hundred [TS]

  extra dollars they're just doing it [TS]

  because they can because cars like this [TS]

  you know luxury cars especially they [TS]

  charge money for every little thing [TS]

  anything if you want like they've [TS]

  offered for years now they've offered [TS]

  like wireless phone charging where they [TS]

  just put basically a Qi charger in the [TS]

  armrest and they charge you like $700 or [TS]

  some obscene thing for that like that's [TS]

  just the game here when you're buying a [TS]

  high-end car like this many of the [TS]

  brands will nickel and dime you to death [TS]

  over stuff that does not cost them that [TS]

  much to add but they have a captive [TS]

  audience you know it's just like buying [TS]

  a beer at a baseball stadium it's a [TS]

  captive audience [TS]

  you're already spending a lot of money [TS]

  they know that they can get more out of [TS]

  people if they do this so you know that [TS]

  I I don't really fault them for charging [TS]

  separately for this I think it's a [TS]

  crappy luxury experience that not every [TS]

  BMW has carplay like a lot of other [TS]

  manufacturers all of their cars now have [TS]

  carplay or all of certain model lines [TS]

  have it BMWs not doing that that creates [TS]

  a problem if you're looking for a used [TS]

  one and this is a fairly minor feature [TS]

  distinction so if you're looking at used [TS]

  BMWs or if you have acquired a used BMW [TS]

  it might be difficult to find one that [TS]

  has carplay or you might not know until [TS]

  you actually go visit one of the dealer [TS]

  whether the one you're looking at has [TS]

  carplay or not there is a problem that [TS]

  they are now solving that now you can [TS]

  add carplay so I think you can actually [TS]

  like if a car was sold without it and [TS]

  you go buy it use and you want it I [TS]

  think you can add it by starting to pay [TS]

  this fee that's not a great solution to [TS]

  that problem there are way better [TS]

  solutions like honestly you know a [TS]

  decent a well spec BMW cost like over 40 [TS]

  grand most of the time you can throw in [TS]

  car play but at no additional charge [TS]

  like there this is this is the kind of [TS]

  thing like you know the brakes aren't [TS]

  optional you know the like that like the [TS]

  air conditioning now comes standard like [TS]

  you know I think car plays is really [TS]

  very quickly becoming one of those [TS]

  features where like people just expect [TS]

  that like it's weird if you don't have [TS]

  it on a nice car these days so they [TS]

  should really include it on all the cars [TS]

  and not [TS]

  charge you this dumphy one of the [TS]

  analogies I heard was like and in cheap [TS]

  to mid price hotels the Wi-Fi is free [TS]

  but in fancy hotels they charge you for [TS]

  it that is definitely not true they [TS]

  charge you for it every no like that's [TS]

  I've heard that saying before and I have [TS]

  experienced some of that where main [TS]

  places I've seen free Wi-Fi are not in [TS]

  the fanciest hotels but kind of in the [TS]

  mid tier ones but once you get fancy [TS]

  they're like well you're already paying [TS]

  so much for the room anyway we'll just [TS]

  add this charge on for the wife yeah [TS]

  well and also like you know [TS]

  see also iCloud storage plans like what [TS]

  we talked about earlier there's this is [TS]

  a captive audience [TS]

  right like iCloud storage cells not [TS]

  because it's a great deal but because [TS]

  you kind of want it it makes the [TS]

  experience way better and what else you [TS]

  gonna do like this is all system [TS]

  integration stuff it's like if you want [TS]

  this experience in the native first [TS]

  party way that works with everything [TS]

  you're probably going to pay whatever [TS]

  they want for it the car plan BMWs is [TS]

  the same thing like you're gonna have to [TS]

  pay whatever they want for it basically [TS]

  so I think the solution here is to stop [TS]

  buying BMWs exactly the problem of like [TS]

  they do have competitors like maybe [TS]

  there's no competitor for car play for [TS]

  you I want integration with my iPhone in [TS]

  such and such a way but you can buy [TS]

  another luxury car that has car play [TS]

  that doesn't charge you this much [TS]

  and one of the points I've seen from [TS]

  people talking about this in terms of [TS]

  pricing it's like well if you get a [TS]

  three year lease and it's 80 bucks it's [TS]

  still cheaper than a $300 up front [TS]

  option which is kind of true and like in [TS]

  the grand scheme of things given like [TS]

  you know like how much they charge for [TS]

  the different paint color it's like an [TS]

  additional twenty five hundred dollars [TS]

  or whatever like if you add it all up [TS]

  the number of absurd things you're going [TS]

  to pay way more for for the life of this [TS]

  BMW that you'll happily pay for it [TS]

  because you want the sparkly red paint [TS]

  or whatever Dwarfs this car plaything [TS]

  but the car everything just just feels [TS]

  punitive because yeah everyone else is [TS]

  giving it to you for free and there's [TS]

  not even a hint of a justifiable reason [TS]

  for it to be an ongoing eternal payment [TS]

  and so just the noise people so I think [TS]

  BMW will is what will either happen [TS]

  either BMW will reverse this or every [TS]

  other luxury car maker will do the same [TS]

  thing it's true it's just I don't know [TS]

  it's just so frustrating because I know [TS]

  like in my [TS]

  that this is a completely unsurprising [TS]

  thing for a luxury car manufacturer to [TS]

  do like the things that BMW charged [TS]

  sport like up until recently and maybe [TS]

  still to this day they they had a [TS]

  tremendous up charge for for xenon [TS]

  headlamps or the high intensity [TS]

  discharge headlamps I guess their LEDs [TS]

  now in all likelihood but for years when [TS]

  when hind in high intensity discharge [TS]

  headlamps were a thing BMWs would still [TS]

  have that as an option like my [TS]

  generation the the early 2010 oh yeah my [TS]

  13 my 3-series that was that generation [TS]

  I didn't get the HIDs they were too [TS]

  expensive [TS]

  right exactly and I will see them [TS]

  constantly to this day they mean you can [TS]

  tell you know what is HIDs and what [TS]

  doesn't but that seemed preposterous to [TS]

  me like I'm not saying that it shouldn't [TS]

  necessarily be paid for but come on it's [TS]

  an option really like you're buying a [TS]

  BMW buying a Mercedes you're buying an [TS]

  Acura whatever the case may be like that [TS]

  that should just be part of the car and [TS]

  I don't know this just seems like such a [TS]

  preposterous absurd thing to nickel and [TS]

  dime people over and it's not as bad as [TS]

  Porsche from what I understand who I [TS]

  guess is the the kings and queens of [TS]

  nickel and diming but it's just gross [TS]

  and I think BMW has been heading more [TS]

  and more this way over time and it just [TS]

  grosses me out and here again I just I [TS]

  don't know what car I should get if I [TS]

  get a new car cuz I'm screwed no matter [TS]

  what what happened to the ultimate [TS]

  driving machine that reviews that slogan [TS]

  anymore I love that slogan I mean to be [TS]

  fair like every be MOU owner has always [TS]

  had this progression with the company [TS]

  and it just rolls into different times [TS]

  it's like yep every BMW owner for the [TS]

  history of BMW has always said whatever [TS]

  happened to the BMW that made you know [TS]

  my first car yeah like now the ones they [TS]

  make today are crap but whatever [TS]

  happened to the MacBook Pros with better [TS]

  keyboards am i right Marco well it's a [TS]

  little bit different when the failure [TS]

  rate changes so dramatically it was a I [TS]

  think your inhaler [TS]

  maybe was him or someone else tweeted a [TS]

  picture of an old power book and all I [TS]

  could think I was looking at that it's [TS]

  like look at the travel on those keys [TS]

  sighs keyboard keys like that was before [TS]

  they even started really flattening them [TS]

  out like they look like just full size [TS]

  and mechanical [TS]

  keyboard key caps right yeah they [TS]

  probably have more travel than the the [TS]

  total thickness of the current proline [TS]

  [Laughter] [TS]

  [Laughter] [TS]

  I was thinking the MacPro design [TS]

  speculation that could be pretty much [TS]

  any time before WTC probably every every [TS]

  time every day is my perspective Asia [TS]

  day all right me I was thinking to like [TS]

  I like I probably like we probably have [TS]

  done too much Mac Pro stuff recently so [TS]

  they could we could use it like a few [TS]

  weeks break from that oh thank god [TS]

  disagree we should start with follow-up [TS]

  Peter van Brookhaven has some thoughts [TS]

  about apples hesitation to do battery [TS]

  replacements and he writes in that one [TS]

  of the reasons that they really don't [TS]

  like to do battery replacements is that [TS]

  if they can't get the battery out [TS]

  cleanly then they'll replace the whole [TS]

  phone but they'll do it for the cost of [TS]

  just that battery replacement so he said [TS]

  he had an older phone I think he said [TS]

  like a 5s or something like that that he [TS]

  still was running on the original [TS]

  battery went to the Apple store he asked [TS]

  them to replace the battery they botched [TS]

  it and so he got himself a brand new 5s [TS]

  for 90 whatever dollars or $30 whatever [TS]

  the cost is now and that that explains [TS]

  to me anyway why they're super reticent [TS]

  to be doing battery replacements unless [TS]

  they're really sure it's necessary yeah [TS]

  and that you know even if you're willing [TS]

  to pay like oh you know just take my [TS]

  money I'm willing to pay for the battery [TS]

  placements like yeah but this battery [TS]

  replacement could change from even from [TS]

  an $80 build with the old price into [TS]

  something that costs Apple you know [TS]

  several hundred dollars to give you [TS]

  basically a brand new phone because they [TS]

  couldn't at the very out but it could be [TS]

  argued well a volt here and stupid fault [TS]

  for making phones that you can't get the [TS]

  batteries out of without destroying them [TS]

  so maybe the next time you design a [TS]

  phone make it easier to get the battery [TS]

  in and out and they probably have [TS]

  because he's talking about a 5s and [TS]

  there's been many phones since then and [TS]

  so designing designing phones for [TS]

  serviceability is I think something that [TS]

  Apple has been he was probably like a [TS]

  narc like the first ones were probably [TS]

  reasonably serviceable just because they [TS]

  were simpler and then they probably got [TS]

  a lot less serviceable as they got [TS]

  thinner and more complicated and I feel [TS]

  like now they go in the opposite [TS]

  direction of yeah we want to make them [TS]

  thin and compact but also try to do the [TS]

  best we can for serviceability so really [TS]

  Apple is you know you're just making [TS]

  problems for themselves they continue to [TS]

  make things that are always glued [TS]

  together and have little ribbon [TS]

  connectors that are all [TS]

  then glued on with adhesives that age [TS]

  and everything like that's that's their [TS]

  own fault so I feel like they have to [TS]

  either just eat this cost or do better [TS]

  about making serviceable phones because [TS]

  they're the ones servicing them moving [TS]

  on we have some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

  which we'll talk about later but one of [TS]

  the things that's come out come out over [TS]

  the last week is that 11 3 will let [TS]

  users turn off the battery performance [TS]

  throttling and I don't really understand [TS]

  this [TS]

  like if the choice is your phone [TS]

  spontaneously dying or just being very [TS]

  slow I'll go with very slow but I say [TS]

  this from the position of not really had [TS]

  a phone that's gotten this performance [TS]

  throttling so maybe I don't really [TS]

  understand how unbelievably unbearable [TS]

  the throttling is but regardless [TS]

  11:3 will add new features to show the [TS]

  battery health and recommend if a [TS]

  battery needs to be serviced so that'll [TS]

  be found in settings battery and are [TS]

  available for the iPhone 6 and later for [TS]

  the more users can now see if the power [TS]

  management feature that dynamically [TS]

  manages maximum performance to prevent [TS]

  unexpected shutdowns which was [TS]

  introduced in 10.1 is on and whether and [TS]

  they can choose whether or not to turn [TS]

  it off this feature can be found in [TS]

  settings battery as well and is also [TS]

  available from the 6 and up yeah this so [TS]

  this is not a great fix to this problem [TS]

  or solution to this need to users it is [TS]

  possible that they needed to do it this [TS]

  way to have that off switch for some [TS]

  kind of legal or a lawsuit or regulatory [TS]

  compliance reason you know they've [TS]

  gotten a lot of crap for this from a lot [TS]

  of different places a lot of different [TS]

  countries but just as a user experience [TS]

  having a switch to let your phone [TS]

  randomly shut down seems very [TS]

  unappetizing and it seems like this is [TS]

  very much a like you know Steve Jobs [TS]

  you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong kind [TS]

  of response from Apple you want a free [TS]

  bumper find take a free bumper we've [TS]

  heard it from a lot of people why don't [TS]

  you just give everybody a case ok great [TS]

  let's give everybody a case yeah like it [TS]

  there there general response and tone [TS]

  with this is not good that interview Tim [TS]

  Cook gave it's better than the Steve [TS]

  Jobs talk [TS]

  you see was actually pretty obnoxious [TS]

  and snarky and everything every [TS]

  communication I've seen about this has [TS]

  been fairly magnanimous and [TS]

  understanding he made the feature itself [TS]

  may seem snarky but I don't think the [TS]

  communication has been Steve Jobs level [TS]

  you want a bumper fine here's a free [TS]

  bumper III thought the the Tim Cook [TS]

  quote about it in that interview a few [TS]

  days ago was pretty bad Oh people people [TS]

  not understanding yet Tim Cook had a [TS]

  couple of statements the media but like [TS]

  honestly Tim Cook should not talk to the [TS]

  media like I really honestly I'm serious [TS]

  like he does not come off well in these [TS]

  kind of interviews whenever he's asked [TS]

  anything of substance it does not come [TS]

  off well well usually his problem is [TS]

  that he's just blinded didn't say [TS]

  anything right so that's but this is a [TS]

  rare case where he showed a little bit [TS]

  of teeth it was like I just think maybe [TS]

  people just didn't really understand or [TS]

  weren't paying attention there was just [TS]

  such BS like that's what you should know [TS]

  STUV the time it's merely what he says [TS]

  has no to information it's just kind of [TS]

  platitude right the platitudes one isn't [TS]

  harmful and I think maybe that's [TS]

  actually a good way to communicate with [TS]

  the people in those venues but it's not [TS]

  like Apple fans you know it's just like [TS]

  whoever is watching you know CNN or [TS]

  whatever whatever you know news network [TS]

  he's on at that moment I think that's a [TS]

  fine communication but it's boring we're [TS]

  not interested in it and he's not gonna [TS]

  say anything new the snark shows a [TS]

  little personality of a nominee he's you [TS]

  know off-base but I think that the [TS]

  strangest bit of communication this [TS]

  actually started and follow up as a [TS]

  story about Tim's communication and [TS]

  changed into now that we have the actual [TS]

  release notes for the 11 3 beta into you [TS]

  know more concrete story but the the [TS]

  original story was Tim Cook was on a new [TS]

  show and yeah he did his normal [TS]

  platitudes that he normally does just [TS]

  sort of saying speaking generalities [TS]

  about stuff that close I'll follow was [TS]

  already new but then he mentioned [TS]

  something about being able to turn off [TS]

  the battery throttling and that's not [TS]

  what Apple's press release said like way [TS]

  back when when they talked about this [TS]

  the press release said oh we're gonna [TS]

  have new battery information and you [TS]

  know old stuff but didn't say anything [TS]

  about being able to turn off so I was [TS]

  like is he like misremembering what they [TS]

  plan to do maybe they talked about [TS]

  having an off switch and he is just [TS]

  misremembering instead it's like no he's [TS]

  much more controlled than that but then [TS]

  he's like essentially breaking Apple [TS]

  news on a random cable news channel like [TS]

  he pre-announced features of the iOS 11 [TS]

  3 beta [TS]

  like a couple days ahead of time which [TS]

  is weird for [TS]

  Apple so the Riddler who's gonna be was [TS]

  he misremembering or is this a thing [TS]

  they're gonna do but now the story is [TS]

  Tim Cook is breaking news about Apple on [TS]

  cable news shows which is weird well I [TS]

  mean I I think that's his prerogative oh [TS]

  yeah no it's totally up but it's it's [TS]

  it's definitely a change it makes me [TS]

  wonder like it is that like the new [TS]

  version of the controlled leaked to The [TS]

  Wall Street Journal where they just send [TS]

  Tim out and tell him to say that I mean [TS]

  this is not the first time that an Apple [TS]

  executive has like broken some news in [TS]

  an interview like this that that seems [TS]

  pretty clearly you know planned that way [TS]

  okay minor news it's not big news but [TS]

  still honestly that is minor news I mean [TS]

  like the big news was the problem at all [TS]

  the the how they're solving it in these [TS]

  various ways is fairly small news but I [TS]

  do think though just going back to the [TS]

  the actual feature and solution here I [TS]

  don't think this is quite enough what [TS]

  this is basically saying is if this is [TS]

  happening to you we will now display [TS]

  that in this settings battery panel that [TS]

  nobody ever knows better goes to and you [TS]

  know will display it there and so you [TS]

  able to check there to see what's [TS]

  happening that's not good enough because [TS]

  most people will never think to check [TS]

  there or won't know how to check there [TS]

  or won't you know like they just think [TS]

  my phone is slow I need to buy a new one [TS]

  so really I think users need to be [TS]

  notified in some way when their phone [TS]

  reaches a state in which this setting is [TS]

  turned on for them and and I tweeted [TS]

  this earlier a lot of people [TS]

  misunderstood I wasn't clear enough I'm [TS]

  not saying that like every time the CPU [TS]

  gets throttled they should get another [TS]

  notification dialog boxes yeah what I'm [TS]

  saying is that at some point when when [TS]

  your phone has reached some kind of [TS]

  metric as measured by the battery or [TS]

  whatever at some point this setting gets [TS]

  turned on for you without you knowing [TS]

  that needs to be a user notification [TS]

  when that happens and it might be like [TS]

  to be clear we don't know that that [TS]

  that's not happened just the release [TS]

  just say that there's a setting for all [TS]

  we know there is a notification and [TS]

  there is a battery indicator in the [TS]

  status Mart those things could both be [TS]

  true they just you know might not merit [TS]

  mentioning here so the only way [TS]

  unfortunately the only way we'll be able [TS]

  to find out unless is the way you can do [TS]

  this in simulator is there someone to [TS]

  have a phone that's on the threshold [TS]

  between like they'll go to the battery [TS]

  settings screen let's say oh I'm right [TS]

  on the border where it's gonna yell at [TS]

  me if they show some kind of bar graph [TS]

  or something and then just abuse the [TS]

  phone until it crosses that threshold [TS]

  and see if you get [TS]

  and alert of any kind and in a [TS]

  surprising stroke of good news for John [TS]

  your ancient cheese grater is running El [TS]

  Cap is it not it is and you got a little [TS]

  present recently tell me about this I [TS]

  didn't get it because I am installed it [TS]

  but [TS]

  Specter fixes have been backported all [TS]

  the way back to El Capitan and Sierra [TS]

  and of course High Sierra which is [TS]

  extended what they usually do is they [TS]

  back pour it to a few recent versions if [TS]

  you watch are there back in that you [TS]

  don't get the fix I almost don't want to [TS]

  install the fixture so I can get that [TS]

  extra speed which I said best really [TS]

  need in my computer yeah this will push [TS]

  you over the edge yeah but I haven't [TS]

  installed yet but anyway in case you're [TS]

  wondering yes the the fix is backward I [TS]

  already have a safari update which I [TS]

  feel like is you know maybe just as [TS]

  important because the main vector [TS]

  through which unknown software runs on [TS]

  my computer is probably the web browser [TS]

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  we got some news over the last few days [TS]

  we've gotten some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

  we're gonna talk about that a little [TS]

  later but perhaps more interestingly he [TS]

  says with little confidence the home pod [TS]

  has been officially officially announced [TS]

  it will start shipping on February 9th [TS]

  the pre-orders will open or I guess it's [TS]

  not really pre-orders it doesn't matter [TS]

  anyway the orders will open this coming [TS]

  Friday which at this point may have [TS]

  already happened by the time you're [TS]

  listening to this and we don't really [TS]

  know a whole heck of a lot else this is [TS]

  the kind of product that theoretically I [TS]

  should be excited about many of us I [TS]

  think should be excited about this but [TS]

  it just seems like it's had such a [TS]

  clumsy release cycle and we know so [TS]

  little about it that it's really hard to [TS]

  get excited about it because it seems [TS]

  like it's you know it's coming out late [TS]

  and some key features we're not [TS]

  launching yet they're they're coming you [TS]

  know later this year or whatever and we [TS]

  still don't really know much about it [TS]

  there's still no reviews there are there [TS]

  there's been no like you know hands on [TS]

  or anything there was a very brief press [TS]

  demo last last summer everybody see when [TS]

  they announced it but it was extremely [TS]

  limited there was no speak it was just [TS]

  music playback so it was there's some [TS]

  really big question marks about this [TS]

  product that we just don't know yet now [TS]

  we could we could listen back to this in [TS]

  a few weeks from when people have this [TS]

  and it's amazing and we could listen [TS]

  back to anything we say now and be like [TS]

  well they were so wrong we were so wrong [TS]

  I can't believe that we all thought this [TS]

  product would be weird or suck you know [TS]

  it could turn out amazing we don't know [TS]

  yet but it's just weird that there's [TS]

  this product that I think a lot of us [TS]

  thought would be a major product launch [TS]

  that is kind of just like stumbling out [TS]

  the door been in this clumsy fashion and [TS]

  it's gonna have launched incomplete in [TS]

  its State on launch day there are so [TS]

  many missing features and limitations [TS]

  that I think the potential market for it [TS]

  is [TS]

  not gonna be that big now over time as [TS]

  they lift these limitations we'll see [TS]

  you know it's probably gonna get popular [TS]

  eventually it might not but but I think [TS]

  the chances are more likely than not [TS]

  that it will work long term it's just [TS]

  weird that it's launching in such a in [TS]

  such a clumsy fashion and in such an [TS]

  incomplete state and I still question [TS]

  why that had to be announced last summer [TS]

  I don't question it that much because [TS]

  like this is this was a market that [TS]

  Apple has is late to like its other [TS]

  competitors you know Amazon echo was [TS]

  obviously the first let's all talk to [TS]

  our cylinder and it was out there for a [TS]

  while before Google launched its clone [TS]

  and now Google's been out for a while [TS]

  and finally Apple and O's and those are [TS]

  the big three tech companies and Apple [TS]

  you know it took the longest to decide [TS]

  yes we're gonna make a cylinder that you [TS]

  talk to that connects to our streaming [TS]

  music service right and so everyone else [TS]

  has a big hit start on them everyone [TS]

  else was shipping a couple of companies [TS]

  have had multiple revisions and multiple [TS]

  products and diversify their product [TS]

  lines even Google has a big one and a [TS]

  little one now and an even bigger one [TS]

  that sounds fancy right so other [TS]

  companies have not just done the product [TS]

  for longer but I've had more revisions [TS]

  and this is a case where it just seemed [TS]

  to me that Apple [TS]

  I mean apples very often late to market [TS]

  right but in this case Apple it seemed [TS]

  like it felt self-conscious like we're [TS]

  late but we want you to know that we are [TS]

  we do want to compete in our but we're [TS]

  not ready yet so they had to like [TS]

  pre-announce it no I think they pre they [TS]

  didn't expect it to be this late right [TS]

  so you make your bed you're like oh we [TS]

  can announce this now we think it'll be [TS]

  ready you know not that long from now [TS]

  like within the window of like [TS]

  reasonableness but obviously they [TS]

  they've missed that window and it's [TS]

  pretty darn late at this point and you [TS]

  know how can it be late if they never [TS]

  told you exactly when it would be [TS]

  available just in terms of you know [TS]

  practically speaking if you have a such [TS]

  a limited pre announcement of a product [TS]

  and then say nothing about it for like [TS]

  six months [TS]

  it's that's not good timing it's not [TS]

  good PR you want to get people [TS]

  interested about a product and slowly [TS]

  dole out news building up to a launch [TS]

  not kill people barely anything and then [TS]

  don't say anything about it for many [TS]

  many months that's it's just bad PR so [TS]

  that's why that's why we say oh it feels [TS]

  like it's late that if you had a choice [TS]

  that's not how you do [TS]

  a PR rollout so you know why did they [TS]

  announce it so early if to me my read on [TS]

  that is they felt pressure to get in get [TS]

  their foot in the market ASAP put their [TS]

  quarter on the videogame machine or [TS]

  whatever's I've got next right we're [TS]

  gonna be there and not just like in a [TS]

  vague way but here's the actual thing [TS]

  we're gonna ship it looks like this it [TS]

  sounds like this it probably does other [TS]

  things but don't ask us now right and [TS]

  they had an opportunity to announce that [TS]

  and so they did and I think that is you [TS]

  know it's a sign it's an acknowledgement [TS]

  that Apple agrees with us that they are [TS]

  behind and laid in this market versus a [TS]

  more confident Apple that could say yeah [TS]

  other people have done stuff but we [TS]

  think all the solutions they've done or [TS]

  crappy and we don't feel any pressure to [TS]

  tell you that we're gonna enter this [TS]

  market we're gonna show you our awesome [TS]

  thing I'm ready to see it doesn't matter [TS]

  how late we are that's the other [TS]

  strategy that could have taken and they [TS]

  have with many other things but not with [TS]

  this with this one they said we really [TS]

  feel like we need to tell you that we're [TS]

  gonna be in this market with this thing [TS]

  so that is not a confident move that [TS]

  doesn't that doesn't project confidence [TS]

  anyway and what they had to demo was not [TS]

  like they didn't have anything to say or [TS]

  demo that knocked our socks off either [TS]

  so it was kind of weird and now now that [TS]

  they're gonna roll this thing out it's [TS]

  like a major new product line that will [TS]

  end up rolling out without Apple ever [TS]

  having gone up on a stage and told us [TS]

  all the things that this product can do [TS]

  because they went up on a stage and told [TS]

  us very limited things about this [TS]

  product it's specifically about the [TS]

  audio but not much else [TS]

  and then many many months pass and then [TS]

  here's the product right and people will [TS]

  get you know reviews I'm sure they'll be [TS]

  reviews coming out of the thing around [TS]

  lunchtime or whatever but never did [TS]

  Apple go up in any side of special press [TS]

  presentation or anything and say let's [TS]

  just run down everything about this they [TS]

  do with all the phones with all the [TS]

  iPads even with most of the Macs here's [TS]

  all the features here's all the specs [TS]

  here's all the things about this thing [TS]

  here's what it can do they never did [TS]

  that for this product which is weird [TS]

  even something like a hobby product like [TS]

  the Apple TV they went up on stage and [TS]

  said here's Apple TV you know this is [TS]

  what it does this is what it looks like [TS]

  this is how much [TS]

  it runs you know Mac os10 point for [TS]

  inside don't tell anybody it's mega was [TS]

  ten ten point four enough to many tens [TS]

  they didn't do that this product at all [TS]

  so yeah I'm kind of a salmon Marco this [TS]

  could be awesome and everybody could [TS]

  love it and in particular if I'm trying [TS]

  to think of how ways that this product [TS]

  could be awesome that we are under [TS]

  estimating right now is potentially just [TS]

  the the hardware that this stuff that [TS]

  Apple has shown they've shown like oh [TS]

  it's got speakers and microphones and [TS]

  blah blah blah well and and like they're [TS]

  engineering in regards to audio and [TS]

  sound quality in recent years has been [TS]

  awesome like they have they've [TS]

  dramatically improved the speaker's in [TS]

  most of their products that have [TS]

  speakers including the phones yeah [TS]

  including the phones like like they [TS]

  they've really done a lot in in the [TS]

  areas of audio and speaker engineering [TS]

  recently so I have full confidence in in [TS]

  their proclamations that it is going to [TS]

  sound amazing that it is going to be [TS]

  super advanced in the way it measures a [TS]

  room and and bounce the sound off of [TS]

  walls I bet it will sound amazing but [TS]

  that is just one aspect of this product [TS]

  and there are so many other ones that [TS]

  either sound kind of bad or that are [TS]

  just giant question marks yeah and like [TS]

  the thing about this product is that I'm [TS]

  trying to think of you know it does this [TS]

  track with like the Apple TV they're [TS]

  thinking about the Apple TV is they [TS]

  didn't get the hardware right for a long [TS]

  time they took the wrong approach the [TS]

  wrong OS the wrong size there were you [TS]

  know the really early one was like a [TS]

  little bit too early the puck I think [TS]

  they hit on with everybody else the the [TS]

  better size and price for this kind of a [TS]

  product then they took too long to come [TS]

  up with 4k but now that they've settled [TS]

  down like hardware wise it's reasonable [TS]

  especially now that frame rate at frame [TS]

  rate matching more on that in a little [TS]

  bit with this product I feel like it's [TS]

  possible that they have more or less [TS]

  gotten the hardware right on the first [TS]

  try that the the sound output looks [TS]

  impressive and you know can justify the [TS]

  price because it's got a lot of little [TS]

  speakers and a lot of hardware to be [TS]

  able to do all the magic to make it [TS]

  sound good [TS]

  I think it also has a lot of microphones [TS]

  and it hopefully does a good job with [TS]

  them which is the other important part [TS]

  of this hardware it's clean and clear [TS]

  stand about what it's supposed to be you [TS]

  know not having a screen of any kind [TS]

  it's basically speakers and a microphone [TS]

  the software side is where we we know [TS]

  they have gaps cuz there's features that [TS]

  they they sort of talked about but Arnie [TS]

  and I'm going to ship until later but it [TS]

  is possible that Apple can essentially [TS]

  slowly catch up without actually [TS]

  revising this hardware but merely by [TS]

  shipping regular software updates to [TS]

  make this thing more and more capable [TS]

  and improving Siri and all the other [TS]

  stuff behind the scenes like in other [TS]

  words do you think after the ship's [TS]

  there will be some kind of pressing need [TS]

  for a revised home pod I think this [TS]

  hardware could potentially last a long [TS]

  time they just have to update the [TS]

  software so that's it's not ideal right [TS]

  but it does mean that if they can sell [TS]

  these things and then improve them over [TS]

  time they can build up some loyalty by [TS]

  people yeah I bought this product and it [TS]

  was limited and now it gets better and [TS]

  better as I use it and a year from now [TS]

  they could be selling the quote-unquote [TS]

  exact same home pod and it could be a [TS]

  way better product than it is now [TS]

  because I don't think that there's some [TS]

  essential hardware feature that this [TS]

  doesn't have and especially if the audio [TS]

  is really good it could you know [TS]

  certainly it will have better sound than [TS]

  like the hundred dollar things like an [TS]

  echo or a cheap Google home maybe it [TS]

  will even have better sound then an even [TS]

  more expensive Sonos it's just a matter [TS]

  of them getting their software story [TS]

  together and they can do that not at [TS]

  their leisure but they can do that [TS]

  without revising this product you know [TS]

  essentially so I was gonna get one I [TS]

  don't know I was just about to say like [TS]

  I'm sure knowing me I will end up buying [TS]

  one because this is the moment as always [TS]

  I said I really think it's interesting [TS]

  you have to visit we all have some [TS]

  wonders but you so you're so under lists [TS]

  so you need to also like until I have a [TS]

  way to interact with it as a developer I [TS]

  don't think I'm gonna buy one because [TS]

  there's not a place in my life where [TS]

  this makes sense right now and and of [TS]

  course that might change but right now [TS]

  like given its current limitations like [TS]

  one of the big things is yeah maybe you [TS]

  can replace your TV's speakers with [TS]

  it well you can't have a stereo pair yet [TS]

  right so like because airplay to which [TS]

  we'll get to in a little while [TS]

  airplay to is not yet shipping so one of [TS]

  the things you can't do is have a stereo [TS]

  pair of these things acting as you know [TS]

  two stereo speakers so that that rules [TS]

  out a lot of that already [TS]

  and it also there's no line in like the [TS]

  only way you can receive audio is either [TS]

  via Siri playing things from Apple music [TS]

  or via airplay and right now just [TS]

  airplay one which has some limitations [TS]

  and everything but mmm one limitation by [TS]

  the way has a fixed two-second latency [TS]

  so even if you do some kind of crazy [TS]

  thing where you have something beaming [TS]

  other audio like from your other home [TS]

  theatre components via some kind of [TS]

  airplay bridge to this thing about the [TS]

  latency will be too high even for TVs to [TS]

  compensate for it so there's basically [TS]

  no good way to get the rest of your [TS]

  audio from your TV to this the Apple TV [TS]

  can allegedly airplay to it and use it [TS]

  as speakers and that's probably gonna be [TS]

  nice for you know airplay to when that [TS]

  comes out that's gonna be low latency [TS]

  and everything but that's it so like you [TS]

  could do it if the only input that to [TS]

  your TV if the only source of sound that [TS]

  you want to hear from this is an Apple [TS]

  TV you could theoretically have that [TS]

  kind of setup but if you have anything [TS]

  else a game console other streaming [TS]

  boxes a DVD player blu-ray player like [TS]

  if you have anything else that you want [TS]

  to plug into this you're out of luck [TS]

  a Sonos connect bridge maybe but it's [TS]

  like two people use the computing [TS]

  devices because I would never think [TS]

  about playing my TV through this I will [TS]

  also wouldn't think about playing my TV [TS]

  through an Amazon echo or through a [TS]

  Google home even the big speaker 1:i [TS]

  also wouldn't play my TV through any of [TS]

  the little Sonos things yes so much [TS]

  makes a sound bar that I play you my TV [TS]

  through so almost makes a sound bar and [TS]

  the sound bar can also use the little [TS]

  sono speakers as satellite speakers so [TS]

  you can't stand people do that so Sonos [TS]

  has solutions to this other spirit and [TS]

  like I feel and you know Amazon and [TS]

  Google home I feel like the the kind of [TS]

  speakers that they sell in volume don't [TS]

  really lend themselves to this they're [TS]

  too small but it doesn't really matter [TS]

  cuz like they're more made for like a [TS]

  kitchen or a counter or something like [TS]

  that but if you're gonna have a larger [TS]

  and more expensive speaker that focuses [TS]

  on sound quality one of the big places [TS]

  you put it is in [TS]

  is it is for your TV like you'd replace [TS]

  the speakers for your TV isn't that much [TS]

  bigger though it's not like I'd say it's [TS]

  in between I don't even think it's as [TS]

  big as the Google big speaker whatever [TS]

  they call that one the big rectangular [TS]

  Google one [TS]

  I think it's smaller than that like I'm [TS]

  trying to recall seeing at WWC and I [TS]

  think I was struck by how much smaller [TS]

  was than I thought certainly bigger than [TS]

  an echo and also bigger than than the [TS]

  like traditional little Google home [TS]

  thing not that many but the regular size [TS]

  the air freshener I don't I don't I [TS]

  don't think it's as big as the Sonos [TS]

  play five I don't know when one case he [TS]

  gets as well ask him to measure mm-hmm [TS]

  regardless so like for the market [TS]

  they're selling two which is sound [TS]

  quality and middle come in the middle [TS]

  the price range there I think a lot of [TS]

  people would want it to be that home [TS]

  theater role and it can't do that so [TS]

  again that limits the market it also [TS]

  limits the market that it only supports [TS]

  Apple music and not other human services [TS]

  so far and other streaming services can [TS]

  airplay to it but so far they won't be [TS]

  able to do Siri and now I kind of wonder [TS]

  if I'm ever gonna get overcast Syria [TS]

  intense because anything that would [TS]

  enable overcast but also enable Spotify [TS]

  and maybe they don't want that for the [TS]

  home pop maybe they want to solve a home [TS]

  pod only for Apple music and have you [TS]

  know lock that together and you know to [TS]

  boost the sales of Apple music so this [TS]

  is like the we talked about this before [TS]

  where the cylinders and stuff but this [TS]

  is like the omnivorous box TV problem [TS]

  all what consumers want is a speaker [TS]

  like some kind of speaker thing that [TS]

  they buy that they can talk to that can [TS]

  also play any audio from anywhere right [TS]

  and nobody offers that it's all a bunch [TS]

  of a bunch of islands you know some [TS]

  someone come close like I think the [TS]

  Sonos can play a lot of stuff but can't [TS]

  can you do Apple music by voice command [TS]

  I don't know yes oh wait no I it can do [TS]

  have music I don't think I can do it by [TS]

  a voice command yet yeah it's it's a [TS]

  weird integration that the the the [TS]

  summers product is weird limits but [TS]

  sometimes it's getting closer because [TS]

  some US doesn't have a dog in the [TS]

  streaming service fight so like whatever [TS]

  we'll play Amazon service we'll play [TS]

  google play music will play Apple music [TS]

  if all those companies will let us but [TS]

  everybody else has their own preferred [TS]

  streaming service and is in varying [TS]

  degrees restrictive you know or they're [TS]

  not letting each other play in each [TS]

  other stuff so it's not like you just [TS]

  pick the speaker you like about [TS]

  right and say I'll just gonna pick this [TS]

  figure that looks it looks the best and [TS]

  it sounds the best which would be good [TS]

  for admah like if I was gonna compete on [TS]

  audio I think it said look we we have [TS]

  the best sounding speaker the best [TS]

  balance of speaker performance and price [TS]

  $350 for something it sounds better than [TS]

  a $500 some of us buy it but if it also [TS]

  comes with oh but the only things you [TS]

  can hear over it cause this very very [TS]

  limited set of things we allow you to [TS]

  hear no no like you said no line in and [TS]

  stuff like that although honestly I [TS]

  still think that it's not an intended [TS]

  purpose for this thing to be a TV [TS]

  speaker but a stereo speaker like hey [TS]

  this is the sound system for my small [TS]

  apartment and I could play my music on [TS]

  it that's the thing like if they're [TS]

  gonna promote it as as audio quality you [TS]

  can't connect like a CD player or or [TS]

  even collect your record player yeah [TS]

  like honestly if this is truly going to [TS]

  appeal to people who can drop a $300 on [TS]

  a speaker who want something cool and [TS]

  nice and hip for their for a part of [TS]

  their home that isn't their TV a lot of [TS]

  people would want to connect a vinyl [TS]

  player to it like oh people want to [TS]

  connect other sorry I turned player so [TS]

  this weekend Marcos vinyl Ark they don't [TS]

  have corners so anyway so you know [TS]

  people want people want to connect other [TS]

  components to something to two really [TS]

  good speakers sure not all people but [TS]

  like what I'm saying is basically like [TS]

  this market is being limited by the [TS]

  limitation this device I think pretty [TS]

  severely like that really I think this [TS]

  device is very boxed in right now with [TS]

  limitations like it's appealing to [TS]

  people who like to listen to your music [TS]

  via voice but only Apple music and the [TS]

  voice service is probably gonna be a [TS]

  little bit iffy because that's how Siri [TS]

  has been so it's gonna be probably a [TS]

  mediocre voice service it's not gonna [TS]

  have a lot of integrations with other [TS]

  things that we tend to use these for [TS]

  like you know various smart home devices [TS]

  and everything you have some but it's [TS]

  not gonna have as much as an echo or [TS]

  things like that it's not gonna have [TS]

  almost any third-party services that can [TS]

  integrate with it anything you ask it to [TS]

  do that is not playing music is probably [TS]

  going to fail mysteriously in weird ways [TS]

  because that's how Syrians to operate [TS]

  even if you get it just [TS]

  for the Apple music or for airplane [TS]

  stuff - look who's going to be clumsy [TS]

  for the next six months or so yeah this [TS]

  is for people who are okay spending that [TS]

  amount of money on it who don't already [TS]

  have other kinds of you know speakers [TS]

  that are that also sound good and who [TS]

  don't want a stereo pair because it [TS]

  can't start a repair yet so it's like [TS]

  you care about sound quality but not [TS]

  enough to have a stereo pair and so it's [TS]

  just again it's just more and more [TS]

  boxing in boxing it in boxing box it in [TS]

  so I think it's gonna start out pretty [TS]

  slowly and maybe in a year it'll have [TS]

  all these features and it'll be much [TS]

  better and maybe there'll be another [TS]

  model that's a different price or a [TS]

  different size or something that would [TS]

  expand the market a little bit more but [TS]

  I think it's gonna have a really slow [TS]

  start yeah some of the other Apple [TS]

  specific features are like are you so [TS]

  granted we don't have all the [TS]

  third-party stuff but what can it do [TS]

  that NOAA device can do aside from you [TS]

  know obviously very tight integration [TS]

  with Apple music and of course Siri [TS]

  handing off your phone call the home [TS]

  potter is apparently something else you [TS]

  can do obviously from your iphone only [TS]

  but if you're on a phone call that you [TS]

  start on your iphone you come into the [TS]

  house and you want to hand it off to the [TS]

  ipod for a speakerphone conversation [TS]

  which i think is a good application of a [TS]

  good speaker and a good set of [TS]

  microphone so you can wander around talk [TS]

  and pace like an important executive as [TS]

  you discuss things that's something [TS]

  other devices don't have and of course [TS]

  they're playing up the privacy angle of [TS]

  like we're not going to upload every [TS]

  single thing you say to our servers and [TS]

  keep it there forever and all that [TS]

  business and they do try to tout that [TS]

  anyone can talk to it and that it can [TS]

  play things from Apple music even if [TS]

  you're not there which is something so [TS]

  absurd that I wouldn't even think about [TS]

  it until Apple reassured me that it's [TS]

  not the case like oh I guess they could [TS]

  have done that boy that would have been [TS]

  done but they're not well but there is a [TS]

  big question mark on that though it can [TS]

  play Apple music when you're out there [TS]

  but apparently it does a lot of the Siri [TS]

  processing on the phone on the phone is [TS]

  paired to it and it's only one person's [TS]

  phone of course so the question is how [TS]

  much can I do if that phone like suppose [TS]

  the phone that's paired to it is your [TS]

  spouse's phone and your spouse leaves [TS]

  the house how much does this function we [TS]

  don't know yeah there's also the [TS]

  question that a lot of people had of [TS]

  people like me who are not yet in the [TS]

  streaming music world but who have their [TS]

  own music collections so I have my music [TS]

  collection on my phone that which [TS]

  consists of things from CDs plus things [TS]

  purchase from iTunes my [TS]

  that's our collection my kids have their [TS]

  collections I have my giant fish [TS]

  collection right what if you want to [TS]

  play something from one of those [TS]

  collections that doesn't exist on Apple [TS]

  music is there any mechanism for that I [TS]

  think your only option is to air play it [TS]

  from iTunes or your phone but you can't [TS]

  the home pod can't call it up via voice [TS]

  right but Apple in my case since I'm an [TS]

  iTunes Match described Apple has all of [TS]

  my music in the cloud and it knows it [TS]

  belongs to me but I'm pretty sure the [TS]

  home pod has no idea that I'm talking to [TS]

  it like that that feature is only [TS]

  reasonable you're in the services [TS]

  division that's that's the world of [TS]

  walls and silos that's like your app [TS]

  your iTunes Match silo is over there [TS]

  rotting in the corner with really big [TS]

  thick walls nobody can get into so they [TS]

  built this new silo over here if we wrap [TS]

  the music and other stuff and God knows [TS]

  what's gonna be next and it's you know [TS]

  don't expect any of this stuff to talk [TS]

  to each other yeah so but you know we [TS]

  don't know what all the limitations are [TS]

  but it seems like there's a lot of them [TS]

  but I still keep coming back to if they [TS]

  got the hardware right and of all all [TS]

  the speakers and the microphones are all [TS]

  great there's no reason they can't knock [TS]

  down these limitations one by one and [TS]

  eventually have a competitive product [TS]

  and I keep comparing it to Apple TV [TS]

  because they didn't have the choice of [TS]

  the Apple TV they got the hardware so [TS]

  wrong in the beginning it took them a [TS]

  long time to get it right and now I feel [TS]

  like they're finally at the you know the [TS]

  the fat part of the curve or the Apple [TS]

  TV where they gonna start knocking down [TS]

  the software features and you know [TS]

  becoming competitive yes they're premium [TS]

  price but now they have some you know 4k [TS]

  support they have you know features that [TS]

  video files care about like the [TS]

  framerate matching they have an [TS]

  application ecosystem you know they're [TS]

  they're improving in that area and [TS]

  there's this home pod like best-case [TS]

  scenario it launches it sounds really [TS]

  good but it's super limited and not a [TS]

  lot of people buy it and then over the [TS]

  course of the next year all they do is [TS]

  make the software better and you know [TS]

  it's it might take a while like how long [TS]

  did it take you know Google home just I [TS]

  think the last year or so got the [TS]

  feature where it understands that there [TS]

  are different people talking to it and [TS]

  it can understand who that person is [TS]

  hopefully we won't date but I take Apple [TS]

  as long as it's a Google to do that but [TS]

  I see I see potential as long as the [TS]

  hardware is right but all that said I'm [TS]

  not running out to buy this Hardware [TS]

  only Casey is [TS]

  you know a lot of people are gonna wait [TS]

  until they have the complete story and [TS]

  not just buy it based on the promise as [TS]

  they should so I've been thinking about [TS]

  this a little bit over the last couple [TS]

  of days since this news is broken and I [TS]

  am NOT ordering a home pod immediately I [TS]

  will probably knowing the order one not [TS]

  too long after immediately because the [TS]

  FOMO will get to me but I think the [TS]

  thing that appeals to me in principle is [TS]

  that I do trust Apple to make really [TS]

  clever in good choices with regard to [TS]

  audio fidelity and although I am [TS]

  perfectly happy listening to music or [TS]

  podcasts on speakers that are truly and [TS]

  utterly terrible that doesn't mean I [TS]

  don't also appreciate some really really [TS]

  great speakers as well and the what I [TS]

  have in our home theater is not great it [TS]

  is sufficient I don't even know what it [TS]

  is it was like a Denon Dean on whatever [TS]

  it's called like home theater in a box [TS]

  from probably 10 plus years ago [TS]

  it is sufficient but I have no doubt [TS]

  that one or particularly a pair of home [TS]

  pods would be considerably better [TS]

  sounding and that would be appealing to [TS]

  me but knowing that I won't be able to [TS]

  play Spotify easily without airplane to [TS]

  Marco's point knowing I won't be able to [TS]

  say hey dingus can you play me [TS]

  such-and-such song by such-and-such [TS]

  artist without being an apple music [TS]

  subscriber which I'm not like all of [TS]

  these things make it not terribly [TS]

  appealing and I don't also I don't have [TS]

  anything connected to homekit right now [TS]

  I have several devices that I could [TS]

  connect to homekit via $50 bridges but I [TS]

  have nothing that's natively connecting [TS]

  to home kid at the moment so I have a [TS]

  few you're missing nothing okay fair [TS]

  enough [TS]

  I don't really sitting here now and this [TS]

  is when we'll play this back you know [TS]

  mark will do that to Lulu in like three [TS]

  weeks when I say I just bought one but [TS]

  sitting here now I don't really see I [TS]

  don't really see any draw other than [TS]

  just getting a really great set of [TS]

  speakers and that does that definitely [TS]

  you know intrigues me and it's [TS]

  definitely interesting but I have a div [TS]

  sufficient set of speakers that's zero [TS]

  dollars because we bought them ten years [TS]

  ago I think they were a gift but anyways [TS]

  they [TS]

  we already have them I don't know that [TS]

  one $350 speaker is going to sound [TS]

  better [TS]

  the it's enough better to justify it [TS]

  then our quote unquote free speakers [TS]

  that we have now so I'm curious to see [TS]

  what people like real-world people say [TS]

  after these are in the wild but I don't [TS]

  know I think the reviews would have to [TS]

  be pretty stellar for me to start saying [TS]

  oh wow I really screwed up on this one [TS]

  as with every other Apple product I need [TS]

  one let me reiterate one last time do [TS]

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  [Music] [TS]

  we have some news as I've been alluding [TS]

  to you for a while for iOS eleven point [TS]

  three so in a slightly surprising move [TS]

  Apple has made a kind of sort of PR site [TS]

  it's actually just a news article but [TS]

  it's almost like a mini site about iOS [TS]

  eleven point three so the headline is [TS]

  major updates they are kit messages and [TS]

  more coming this spring and they start [TS]

  off by telling us we're getting a lion [TS]

  an emoji they're getting we're getting a [TS]

  dragon we're getting a skull and I [TS]

  thought there was one other dragon an [TS]

  emoji this is my problem of not knowing [TS]

  what the plural of an emoji including [TS]

  new an emoji does that mean more than [TS]

  one for new iOS eleven point three [TS]

  includes four new an emoji giving iOS or [TS]

  excuse me iPhone ten users the ability [TS]

  to express themselves as a lion bear [TS]

  dragon or skull oh I see it later than [TS]

  later section at the line is up top I [TS]

  see okay yeah that's the most important [TS]

  new feature as far as I'm aware most [TS]

  people I know you're probably snarking [TS]

  and the thing is I actually really do [TS]

  still like an emoji but that being said [TS]

  I haven't sent or received an an emoji [TS]

  in like a month or two it's not like [TS]

  knowing that they exist yeah yeah [TS]

  they're cute they're cute and they're [TS]

  little an emoji drawer they're waiting [TS]

  for me if I need them no I I don't know [TS]

  I was thinking about it even before this [TS]

  announcement that I really do think it's [TS]

  cute and clever but I I don't often find [TS]

  myself in a position that a it's not [TS]

  socially awkward to create and send one [TS]

  and be that I even think to do it in the [TS]

  first place I really do think it's a [TS]

  good idea I don't fault them for the [TS]

  idea and I like that they're adding more [TS]

  an emoji and in fact I think I tweeted a [TS]

  while back that it would be cool if they [TS]

  had like seasonal ones like you could [TS]

  only do Santa when it's Christmastime or [TS]

  something along those lines but it goes [TS]

  back on the Disney Vault you're a [TS]

  terrible person yeah seriously no I mean [TS]

  I hate the Disney Vault but it I do [TS]

  think it would be kind of cool [TS]

  but anyways I'm not using an emoji in [TS]

  that kind of it's a little bit so maybe [TS]

  it's a new audience for your analogy he [TS]

  does get a kick out of them actually [TS]

  just the other day he asked me he asked [TS]

  me if I could show him the video of the [TS]

  Fox singing which is I think the [TS]

  Bohemian rad Bohemian Rhapsody video [TS]

  that had come out like one of the first [TS]

  karaoke ones he really likes watching [TS]

  and so he had had me pull that up on [TS]

  YouTube just a day or two ago but anyway [TS]

  also new and 11.3 a our kit which [TS]

  apparently is now understanding what a [TS]

  vertical surfaces which no snark I guess [TS]

  is a big deal I don't really use a our [TS]

  kit for anything that's actually like no [TS]

  being able to recognize vertical [TS]

  surfaces in addition to horizontal and [TS]

  having some other improvements in the [TS]

  kind of surfaces they can recognize and [TS]

  how it just it broadens the applications [TS]

  of it basically like before it's like [TS]

  alright finds find a big flat table or [TS]

  if the floor or something and then you [TS]

  can do this cool thing and now you can [TS]

  do cool things with walls and other like [TS]

  so it just it broadens the possible [TS]

  applications you can make and it [TS]

  improves existing excuse me applications [TS]

  or it gives them the chance to be [TS]

  improved and there's other improvements [TS]

  to a our kit too but I'm not really [TS]

  qualified to recognize what's good about [TS]

  them but it's it's significantly [TS]

  improved but the main I think the main [TS]

  story around a our kid is that our kit [TS]

  was their first try at this and it was [TS]

  pretty impressive out of the gate like [TS]

  we all tried and it worked I think [TS]

  better than most of us had any right to [TS]

  expect especially if you have tried any [TS]

  of the previous sort of academic type [TS]

  things and seeing what they can do this [TS]

  was a commercial product they ran on [TS]

  everybody's phones that work [TS]

  surprisingly well and it hasn't been [TS]

  that long and they've significantly [TS]

  enhanced it so I feel like the AR kid [TS]

  team is doing well there their initial [TS]

  release was good and they're not waiting [TS]

  then unable waiting does Nebuta receive [TS]

  for new features like this because like [TS]

  Margot said I think Wallis's is a [TS]

  significant new feature and there have [TS]

  been like applications unlike perhaps an [TS]

  emoji which maybe people get bored by [TS]

  the the applications that you would [TS]

  think you could build with a our kit [TS]

  like a thing to try furniture in your [TS]

  room like IKEA has an app like that and [TS]

  guess what it does what they say it does [TS]

  surprisingly well for a thing that just [TS]

  runs on your phone doesn't require this [TS]

  crazy rig with five cameras slapped [TS]

  together by some PhD student so I'm very [TS]

  impressed with a our kit and [TS]

  and Presta they keep getting better all [TS]

  right what else is in this messages [TS]

  thing messages and iCloud is back yeah [TS]

  this is connected yeah that very [TS]

  unexpected but very welcome assuming [TS]

  that it works I haven't tried it yet [TS]

  have you guys know is it actually in [TS]

  this beta is the the some things aren't [TS]

  in this video is in the beta batteries [TS]

  yeah the the messages and I thought I [TS]

  think I know it's prompting people to [TS]

  enable it so I think it is in the beta [TS]

  but it's like for me personally I'm not [TS]

  gonna have much use for this until it [TS]

  also works with my Mac you know it's [TS]

  like that's that that's the big question [TS]

  work for me and and also like if there's [TS]

  any hint that it doesn't quite work it [TS]

  that it isn't fully baked yet then I [TS]

  might be afraid to turn it on for a [TS]

  little while but they did take so long [TS]

  to do it that I I'm confident that they [TS]

  were probably really conservative about [TS]

  this because it's so important to get [TS]

  that right so it's probably gonna work [TS]

  fine yeah but but word of warning to [TS]

  everybody like when you're running beta [TS]

  software like this is the reason I have [TS]

  a whole set of other Apple IDs that are [TS]

  not my Apple IDs for when I was doing [TS]

  Mac OS 10 reviews when you're running [TS]

  betas and there's some feature that has [TS]

  cloud integration that especially if it [TS]

  wants to like take some existing set of [TS]

  data and like bring it to the cloud or [TS]

  I've heard it from one cloud back-end to [TS]

  another their betas like they're not [TS]

  done they might have bugs but that's [TS]

  your non beta data right like that's [TS]

  your real so if you don't want your non [TS]

  beta data to be potentially hosed and [TS]

  you can't restore that like like if [TS]

  something goes wrong with the phone you [TS]

  can restore the phone back to an old [TS]

  version you can't restore your data in [TS]

  the ini cloud back to an old version yes [TS]

  but especially gets scrambled or deleted [TS]

  or hosed in some way so be very careful [TS]

  and it like you know you're probably [TS]

  excited like oh I want to try out this [TS]

  new feature or whatever but beta is not [TS]

  done and yes I said whenever I would [TS]

  test beta asses and do reviews whole [TS]

  separate world of data which it was free [TS]

  to completely hosed and sometimes it did [TS]

  and sometimes I have to wipe all I did [TS]

  and re-enter a bunch of fake data for it [TS]

  or whatever [TS]

  so beware but anyway it looks like that [TS]

  feature is back after basically entirely [TS]

  disappearing from their website and now [TS]

  it's back and like Marco it really [TS]

  doesn't fulfill its promise for me until [TS]

  it has a Mac equivalent which I'm [TS]

  assuming it will eventually but I'm I'm [TS]

  glad it's not waiting until iOS 12 foot [TS]

  it that way [TS]

  what is this really but what does it buy [TS]

  me there's messages in the cloud because [TS]

  I still sort of get everything coming in [TS]

  of kind of obnoxiously you know what I [TS]

  mean like when I start a mag you're [TS]

  you're a lucky person yeah I mean so so [TS]

  basically what it buys you is it should [TS]

  in theory first of all it should fix a [TS]

  lot of the inconsistencies people see [TS]

  like so it's syncing the messages with [TS]

  iCloud rather than rather than depending [TS]

  on this crazy like you know key [TS]

  generation sharing thing between [TS]

  different computers and like the way it [TS]

  works security wise is is really [TS]

  complicated and pretty impressive but [TS]

  unfortunately creates a lot of bugs and [TS]

  practice that cause people to have [TS]

  things like messages appearing on all [TS]

  but one device or messages appearing in [TS]

  different orders and different devices [TS]

  and things like that [TS]

  this should if if done correctly and if [TS]

  done well this should make your messages [TS]

  the same on all your devices and it also [TS]

  brings additional benefits of things [TS]

  like if you set up a brand new Mac from [TS]

  scratch for instance and you log into to [TS]

  iMessage you don't get all the old [TS]

  messages also if you delete a [TS]

  conversation somewhere like if you get [TS]

  spam and you delete it in one place it [TS]

  doesn't get deleted on all the other [TS]

  devices it like you have to delete [TS]

  delete delete conversations in every [TS]

  place separately so like there's there's [TS]

  a lot of big and small benefits to this [TS]

  if it works correctly and completely [TS]

  that is a big if but if they can pull it [TS]

  off the benefits are pretty big yeah [TS]

  like well I think of this is aligning [TS]

  messages with the mental model I've [TS]

  always ended I had in my head about [TS]

  messages that there's one conversation [TS]

  that participate in from different [TS]

  devices but it's always one conversation [TS]

  right in the same way that our show [TS]

  notes document it's one show notes [TS]

  document I can edit it on my phone I can [TS]

  edit on my iPad I can edit on my Mac at [TS]

  work I can [TS]

  I can home and you guys can all do the [TS]

  same from whatever devices you have but [TS]

  wherever I go the document looks like a [TS]

  document that's how I my mental model of [TS]

  iMessage conversations I'm conversing [TS]

  with the person and no matter where I [TS]

  converse with them the conversation is [TS]

  the conversation so it's jarring to me [TS]

  they would be jarring to me like the new [TS]

  Mac setup to set up a new Mac and not [TS]

  see that conversation at all or could go [TS]

  to my Mac at work and not see a bunch of [TS]

  messages that I had sent previously on [TS]

  my phone because my Mac was asleep [TS]

  during that time and they didn't [TS]

  propagate or whatever now people who [TS]

  don't have these problems and [TS]

  everything's in sync if you limit the [TS]

  number of places you converse and and or [TS]

  if you're mess if your devices are [TS]

  always online at the same time to accept [TS]

  the propagations and all the [TS]

  propagations work then maybe you won't [TS]

  notice that but I think that's the [TS]

  mental model most people have that it is [TS]

  that it is a conversation and it's the [TS]

  same conversation everywhere so that's [TS]

  the promise of this one one more feature [TS]

  by the way that Apple touts is actually [TS]

  the first bullet point in their little [TS]

  screen is free up space on your iPhone [TS]

  by keeping photos and other attachments [TS]

  in iCloud which right now like you'd be [TS]

  surprised at how much space your [TS]

  messages thing takes up if you go to [TS]

  this you know because people send you [TS]

  videos and they send you photos and you [TS]

  don't want to delete things who's there [TS]

  Cubans maybe something sometimes you [TS]

  save them to your photo library or [TS]

  whatever and one of the prompts for the [TS]

  Iowa storage screen is like hey if you [TS]

  want to save up some space you can [TS]

  delete some all messages would be like I [TS]

  don't want to delete all that stuff well [TS]

  now apparently it will take the big [TS]

  attachments and put them in iCloud and I [TS]

  guess only when you scroll back to them [TS]

  will it download them on demand or [TS]

  something so anything's it frees up [TS]

  space on our phone by using cloud [TS]

  storage that were already paying for [TS]

  it's good so that's another potential [TS]

  advantage that doesn't speak to the the [TS]

  mental model but it's good that's a huge [TS]

  advantage in practice lots of people [TS]

  have like massive you know multi gig [TS]

  message multi gig messages that are just [TS]

  sitting there taking up space in their [TS]

  phone that they don't want to delete the [TS]

  the upside of this is great you'll have [TS]

  this option iCloud to store this things [TS]

  in to free up space in your phone so you [TS]

  won't be always running out of space the [TS]

  downside is Apple's still pretty stingy [TS]

  with iCloud stores oh you're gonna need [TS]

  one of the paid plans and and possibly [TS]

  even one of the larger plans so that [TS]

  that is going to make this hurt for a [TS]

  lot of people but I I think at this [TS]

  point [TS]

  if you want a good experience using [TS]

  Apple devices you're gonna have to just [TS]

  factor in the price of a you know small [TS]

  to mid-size iCloud storage plan at least [TS]

  like it just as when you're deciding [TS]

  whether to whether to have an iPhone you [TS]

  just plan for this because in reality [TS]

  you're going to need something beyond [TS]

  the free you know five megabytes of [TS]

  space they give you and I I'm that was a [TS]

  joke not a measure and bring the unit it [TS]

  feels like five megabytes right it does [TS]

  right like it might as well be it might [TS]

  as well be five kilobytes like that like [TS]

  in in this day and age with the amount [TS]

  of stuff that's stored in iCloud that's [TS]

  that is kind of insulting but it's at [TS]

  this point I'm also I've given up on [TS]

  like trying to like wish and hope that [TS]

  Apple's gonna raise the free limit on [TS]

  iCloud and make the plans all bigger and [TS]

  super price competitive like no they're [TS]

  not going to they they're making a ton [TS]

  of money the way it is now they're not [TS]

  gonna change that [TS]

  so oh well that you've acted in as the [TS]

  cost of having these devices that if [TS]

  you're going to have this and you want [TS]

  the full experience of having the luxury [TS]

  of iCloud doing all these things for you [TS]

  and doing backups and everything else [TS]

  you're gonna have to pay for an iCloud [TS]

  plan and that's just part of it and by [TS]

  the way the one of my tips for general [TS]

  happiness of using iOS things is like [TS]

  this is a problem a lot of people have [TS]

  like I'm not paying for iCloud storage [TS]

  which I understand it's expensive as [TS]

  Marco said it's not as competitive as it [TS]

  should be and they should give you more [TS]

  and it should be cheaper but in the [TS]

  grand scheme of things it doesn't cost [TS]

  that much money to get more storage and [TS]

  it will like the the amount of the [TS]

  amount of improvement to your computing [TS]

  life that you will get for $10 a month [TS]

  of actually just paying for our cloud [TS]

  storage it's well worth the $10 a month [TS]

  right well as far as I'm concerned well [TS]

  worth it because I hate having to deal [TS]

  with storage problems and running out of [TS]

  room and trying to manage things and [TS]

  like you know especially for things like [TS]

  photos if you used the photos in the [TS]

  cloud feature you're not going to delete [TS]

  your photos but are you gonna do when [TS]

  you're in a storage you're just gonna [TS]

  you know complain and grind your teeth [TS]

  it's like just just pay for the storage [TS]

  I know it's bad and with the family plan [TS]

  by the way though you can pay for [TS]

  storage for your whole family if you [TS]

  have a family and they all have devices [TS]

  the family plan is another good way to [TS]

  not have to have stupid individual bills [TS]

  for like your kids iCloud backup and [TS]

  your other kids iCloud backup and your [TS]

  spouse's iCloud [TS]

  now you can do one bill and that will [TS]

  further encourage you to get the big [TS]

  plan for the whole family [TS]

  and yes it cost money but ten dollars a [TS]

  month for someone who can afford Apple [TS]

  devices is not that much it will really [TS]

  improve your life and it's I think it's [TS]

  mostly a mental barrier like you know [TS]

  people just don't want to pay for it in [TS]

  the same way they don't want to pay for [TS]

  applications but overcome that hurdle [TS]

  yeah I would put it this way you know [TS]

  for like people who do tech support for [TS]

  their families just just by your parents [TS]

  like don't tell them you're doing it but [TS]

  just by them pay them the $10 a month [TS]

  secretly pay for their storage plan like [TS]

  that is another great investment of your [TS]

  money the amount of aggravation you have [TS]

  doing tech support and your parents if [TS]

  you just secretly pay for the one [TS]

  terabyte storage plan and put and put [TS]

  them in a family with together and pay [TS]

  for their storage plan enable iCloud [TS]

  backup on all their devices just don't [TS]

  even tell them just pay for it all just [TS]

  do it yourself you will improve [TS]

  everybody's life oh yeah yeah like [TS]

  because we always advise people doing [TS]

  that on their parents computers to [TS]

  install like Backblaze or your cloud [TS]

  backup of choice and just pay for just [TS]

  yeah just pay just do it for them pay [TS]

  for it because you know you as like the [TS]

  the young adult probably don't care the [TS]

  old people won't pay for it and yeah and [TS]

  so it's like they need this you know [TS]

  that they don't [TS]

  so you just pay for it so on computers [TS]

  that's Backblaze on their phones and [TS]

  iPads [TS]

  it's iCloud storage yeah your your [TS]

  parents who have retired on their [TS]

  astronomical pensions that they only [TS]

  exist for generation after who are [TS]

  taking vacations to Hawaii and living in [TS]

  luxury and buying fancy cars will never [TS]

  pay $10 a month what am I getting for [TS]

  that money I have to pay for storage no [TS]

  thanks I don't need backups it doesn't [TS]

  make sense but that's that's the mindset [TS]

  so you know since you're the one doing [TS]

  tech support just just pay for their pay [TS]

  for that $10 a month they carried you [TS]

  for nine months in their body right so [TS]

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  what else in 11 three iBooks is no more [TS]

  it's just plain books it's not no more [TS]

  yeah they just renamed it I mean this is [TS]

  the most substantial iBooks update in [TS]

  years I think we did something recently [TS]

  I know the updated iBooks Author I think [TS]

  recently but uh yeah iBooks was the [TS]

  second thing to get the iBook named [TS]

  after the old computer and now it's got [TS]

  its eyes stripped away joining what is [TS]

  it joining [TS]

  music what are the other generic ones [TS]

  well numbers I guess maybe pages the [TS]

  generically named applications now it's [TS]

  just called books and as Jason Snell [TS]

  said on Twitter I wonder if there's some [TS]

  other hardware product Apple could use [TS]

  the iBook name for what he's referring [TS]

  to of course is iOS laptops which we [TS]

  talked about last show and yeah that [TS]

  would be a good use and it would be like [TS]

  the iBook name coming back home to a [TS]

  laptop form factor but not a Mac so [TS]

  we'll say I think that would be cool [TS]

  that I don't I don't know how likely [TS]

  that is but that that would be a really [TS]

  cool fun reason for this I think it [TS]

  might be confusing because it seems like [TS]

  iBook is still kind of in living memory [TS]

  so to speak of the potential consumers [TS]

  and like to have someone who previously [TS]

  owned an iBook buy a new look and have [TS]

  it not be a Mac it might be strange but [TS]

  anyway is it this this changes [TS]

  completely explicable by Apple's Drive [TS]

  to name all of its products like Marco's [TS]

  products like the magazine no one [TS]

  product I named that way one I know it [TS]

  seems so significant I can't think of a [TS]

  good numbers pages music books movie [TS]

  tunes iMovie is interesting because you [TS]

  can't just rip off the eye because [TS]

  that's just called movie yeah all right [TS]

  so what's going on in Mac OS 10 dot 13.4 [TS]

  probably a bunch of stuff but the only [TS]

  thing that poked out at me is the the [TS]

  long foreshadowed end of 32-bit we're [TS]

  just not happening in ten thirteen four [TS]

  but the foreshadowing continues [TS]

  preparing for the end of 32-bit as [TS]

  Apple says I think this isn't a release [TS]

  notes to prepare for future release of [TS]

  Mac OS and which 32-bit software will no [TS]

  longer run without compromise well no [TS]

  longer run you know not belong wrong [TS]

  without compromises [TS]

  well no long run without compromise [TS]

  starting a mac OS I see are ten thirteen [TS]

  for a user is notified at the launch of [TS]

  an app that depends on thirty bit [TS]

  software the alert [TS]

  is only once per app so this is kind of [TS]

  like I'm look good does an iOS to like [TS]

  for a while [TS]

  32-bit applications would pop up a [TS]

  dialog that says this may slow down your [TS]

  phone or is not optimized or had some [TS]

  message like that yeah yeah that would [TS]

  translate to if you knew what it was [TS]

  talking about this is 32-bit up and then [TS]

  eventually on iOS like yeah no those [TS]

  aren't going to launch anymore this this [TS]

  application needs to be updated for a [TS]

  blah blah blah right so the fun thing [TS]

  about 10 13 4 is that if you're a [TS]

  developer you can reboot your Mac with [TS]

  the Buddha or - no 32 exec and it will [TS]

  stop all 32-bit processes from launching [TS]

  right so then you can try to use your [TS]

  app like you think your app is clean and [TS]

  it's the 64-bit clean that doesn't [TS]

  require any 32-bit frameworks doesn't [TS]

  invoke any 32-bit commands doesn't do [TS]

  anything 32-bit fine reboot your Mac in [TS]

  this developer mode that will forbid any [TS]

  32-bit stuff from running and you'll see [TS]

  if it's broken of course this is a [TS]

  developer mode for people who are [TS]

  developing applications users should not [TS]

  do this because half the stuff that you [TS]

  use from day-to-day will probably be [TS]

  broken including including parts of the [TS]

  OS or other things that you know are [TS]

  command-line programs that have 32-bit [TS]

  parts or you know lots doesn't put it [TS]

  this way I bet there is a surprising [TS]

  amount of 32-bit software lurking in [TS]

  everybody's Mac at this point but this [TS]

  is the only way you get to a 64-bit [TS]

  clean world Apple doesn't say what [TS]

  future version of Mac OS the where [TS]

  32-bit software would no longer run and [TS]

  it also doesn't explain what compromise [TS]

  they're talking about because if they [TS]

  had just said will no longer run I'd be [TS]

  like oh that's just what happened to my [TS]

  I was 32-bit stuff no longer runs fair [TS]

  enough right but compromise makes me [TS]

  think there's going to be some kind of [TS]

  way to still run 32-bit stuff just [TS]

  because it seems like Apple doesn't have [TS]

  as much faith in the Apple developer or [TS]

  the Mac developer community to bring [TS]

  everything to 64-bit like there's just [TS]

  not enough of them and they're just not [TS]

  motivated enough to bring everything so [TS]

  there will always be this really long [TS]

  tail of stragglers where in iOS they're [TS]

  like look we're going 64-bit if you [TS]

  don't care enough about your app support [TS]

  it fine there's a thousand other apps [TS]

  it'll take your place we don't care but [TS]

  on the Mac I don't know if that's the [TS]

  case so I'm very interested to see what [TS]

  the compromise is and how they managed [TS]

  to run 32-bit stuff in an OS that more [TS]

  or less doesn't support they could use [TS]

  some kind of [TS]

  think some kind of weird hypervisor [TS]

  thing who knows but you know my guess is [TS]

  it's the it's 10:14 we'll find out the [TS]

  answer to that question to go back a [TS]

  step I forgot to mention that a health [TS]

  records is also new in 11 3 I think that [TS]

  completely slipped my mind and it's not [TS]

  clear how that works like I see this [TS]

  yeah that seems cool but how does [TS]