The Accidental Tech Podcast

258: Non-Beta Data


  at work yeah that's what I was curious

  about too and I didn't know if I just

  hadn't read the right documentation yet

  or something but the thought of having

  all of my health records from all of my

  different health professionals all in

  one spot all for me to be able to see

  that genuinely sounds really awesome but

  Color Me a little skeptical that that'll

  actually be what ends up happening

  because I mean look at Apple pay which

  is a seemingly odd analogy to use but

  like I feel like in America it's pulling

  teeth to get an its to get a retailer to

  use Apple pay and that's to give them

  money and here it's like what is going

  to encourage anyone insurance companies

  or doctors or whomever to share medical

  records I mean yeah there are records in

  theory since it's our bodies etc etc but

  I don't know I don't see any real

  incentive to get health providers or

  insurance companies or whatever to

  provide this information to us well but

  have them in government incentives to

  make them adopt some of the things that

  would make them potentially closer to

  supporting this type of feature but not

  anytime soon there won't be if there's

  one thing that's true and they know

  there has been in the past like the all

  meaningful use thing then in past years

  was to try to get you know medical

  businesses in the u.s. to adopt

  electronic health record stuff like who

  knows how affect it was but anyway this

  is one thing that's true about

  healthcare in the u.s. is that getting

  all of your medical anything anywhere is

  basically impossible so I would love to

  have all my medical stop stop right

  there unless you were very very lucky

  it's not gonna happen it's hard enough

  to get any of your medical so if you are

  astronomically lucky and all of your

  health records happen to be at the tiny

  subset of medical institutions and

  providers that are participating in this

  program yes you could have all of your

  medical records in this thing but

  chances are very very good that some of

  your medical records will not be

  participating in this and so it's just

  an adoption problem so I I like to see

  Apple tackling this and they're trying

  to do it in a sort of you know agnostic

  way using standard

  protocols for interchange so it's not

  like some Apple proprietary thing where

  Apple has to convince everybody to adopt

  some standards it's just that getting

  all of any medical things in the US do

  anything is very difficult because it's

  a very diverse shall we say environment

  of providers and technology expertise

  and motivation and financial incentive

  to support something like this all right

  then John in the gifts just keep coming

  for you you have El Capitan fixes that

  you're choosing not to install and TV OS

  11.3 has a new gift for you does it not

  I really get from me because even though

  I have an older Apple TV it's not hooked

  up to a television set that I think can

  even do 24 frames per second like its

  cuts up to a crappy TV like a bedroom TV

  right so anyway the one changed it is

  most interesting to me in TV OS 11.3

  which is currently in beta is frame rate

  matching which was previously only

  supported on the Apple TV 4k is now

  supported on the one that looks exactly

  like the Apple TV 4k but isn't because

  it doesn't have slots in the box that's


  yeah so now you get that feature too I

  don't know I also don't know if you have

  a television that condition was like

  probably not almost sure I do not yeah

  but that was the question before is like

  why isn't this support is it some kind

  of hardware limitation no they just

  didn't get around to it software another

  getting around to it so thumbs up for

  that alright let's do some ask ATP some

  guy I've never heard of Todd Vaziri

  writes with your iPhone 10 experience

  are there any signs that Apple intends

  to unify 3d touch and a long press to

  give the same result or do you feel it

  that they have every intention of

  keeping these two gestures separate and

  distinctive I even looked at gesture

  recognizers in a while and nor have I

  really fiddled with 3d touch api's but

  as far as I can tell and just as a user

  it seems to me that it's pretty clearly

  going to be kept separate but I don't

  know marco have you been looking through

  these api's more recently to have any

  thoughts on this I I don't have any

  thoughts I don't think it's gonna be

  touched in any meaningful way I think

  it's gonna stay the way it is now which

  is basically like you know most things

  are 3d touch or nothing and occasionally

  one of the app developers either Apple

  or third-party

  will have some good idea oh you know we

  should make this available with long

  press eventually and then eventually

  somebody does it but

  it's probably gonna always be you know

  3d touch first kind of like how the

  clear all notifications thing remember

  wasn't that 3d touch first and then

  eventually they had a long press it's

  probably gonna be like that that kind of

  pattern I'm just like 3d touches first

  long press if somebody gets to it but do

  you think like I think part of this

  question is like are the do the api's

  make it look like there will ever be a

  way to like you know coalesce them in

  terms of you'd write an application to

  handle one kind of event and both of

  those things that happen on the screen

  could funnel into one kind of event or

  do you think the API still reflect the

  fact that they are entirely separate

  entirely separate I mean you could write

  something like in your app that would

  you know respond to either one alright

  and you could write some kind of

  reusable component to make that easier

  to do but as far as I could tell Apple

  has not moved in that direction at all I

  could be wrong could I couldn't miss

  something but I don't think so yeah I

  don't think that we they're just like my

  impression from the outside not looking

  at the guys but just looking how they're

  used is that I would go so far as to say

  that Apple thinks there actually is an

  important distinction between 3d touch

  and long press that should be meaningful

  in that UI and cases where they merely

  say long press is just an affordance for

  people who have devices about 3d per

  touch are kind of in the minority like

  it seems like especially as 3d touch

  spreads to more and more device or at

  least phones I know because they don't

  have it on iPads the 3d touch is a

  different thing than long press now and

  it may still be an optional thing like

  oh if you happen to have a device that

  can support you can get this feature but

  that is not it's not the same thing as

  long press despite the fact a lot of

  people like wish it was that it was just

  more community long rest and and using

  the phone from my perspective it feels

  different to me I wouldn't want it to be

  just an alternate way to do long press

  because it just it just feels so very

  different so I think I'm mostly on the

  same page for the Apple here despite the

  fact that it is somewhat confusing to

  have to explain to people I I don't

  think they're interchangeable they don't

  feel interchangeable to me I tend to


  Alex writes what is their play to and

  why is it so hard for both developers

  and Apple to implement it so I guess

  marco jumping whenever you're ready but

  airplay to is it supposed to be

  other than multi room stuff which you

  can't really do with airplay one unless

  you're using iTunes on a Mac is it

  supposed to be kind of self-sufficient

  where it's more like a Google chromecast

  sort of scenario where you just tell it

  hey go play this thing

  over there and it does it all by itself

  or is that completely wrong

  that's how about halfway wrong it's so

  so basically the way our play one worked

  was kind of like it's not that different

  from like how Bluetooth audio works just

  done over Wi-Fi it is you know what they

  call basically a real-time protocol just

  a stream that you screaming to the

  airplay one device there is a fixed

  latency that all airplay one devices

  have of two seconds and everything goes

  over that same stream that same latency

  audio gets streamed at that rate

  commands like play pause or seek get

  streamed at that rate that's why with an

  airplay speaker if you hit pause in your

  phone it takes two seconds before it

  actually pauses and so it was a simpler

  protocol it was launched forever ago and

  you know back then things had to be

  simpler for just technical practicality

  reasons so airplay one very simple

  protocol what you're alluding to Casey

  how how Sonos and the Google cast

  protocols usually work is basically like

  the speaker in those cases or like the

  the casted to device is controlling and

  and playing the whatever the media is

  itself it isn't having a device send it

  a stream of media in most cases the the

  Sonos speaker or google chromecast

  whatever is given like a URL and say

  play play the file here and the client

  applications are basically giving it

  commands whenever they feel like it okay

  pause it now play this thing instead or

  whatever else but the advantage of a

  system like that is your phone or

  whatever is streaming the audio from or

  causing the audio to be streamed is not

  actually really involved in the

  real-time playback so like the example

  that that look that is often given is

  like if you go out and take out the

  trash during a party and your phone is

  is what's telling Sonos to play this

  playlist when you leave your houses of

  Wi-Fi for 30 seconds the music isn't

  gonna stop it's gonna keep playing

  because your phone is simply giving a

  command sometimes when you tell it to

  it isn't streaming the audio itself the

  you know the device for so notice in

  Google class or whatever is is getting

  the audio itself over the network and

  only just doing what your phone tells it

  to when it's time to make changes

  airplay never worked that way airplay

  was always

  real-time streamed from the source

  device to the speaker question yeah home

  pod literature or whatever PR literature

  makes that claim about it that that it

  you that it's just pulling the music

  from Apple music not pulling it from

  your phone but it doesn't currently

  support airplay - yes so there's there's

  a few different things here so that what

  the home pot is doing with Apple music

  first of all I believe that applies only

  to Apple music and that is because the

  home pod does appear from what they're

  saying to be a native Apple music client

  in the sense that you can ask it to play

  something from Apple music I don't know

  if your phone is involved in the Siri

  request itself but once it is playing it

  does sound like I can just keep playing

  without your phone's presence so that is

  a separate thing that's not involving

  airplay too though

  so what airplay to does is kind of just

  a halfway point between these are kind

  of like a better airplay one so what it

  lets you do is buffer for much larger

  chunks of data and what Apple said in

  the UC session about it they said

  basically think minutes instead of

  seconds and it lets you buffer faster

  than real time so you know airplay one

  was a fixed two-second latency

  everywhere the streaming device supplied

  the audio in real time the playing

  device played it in real time there's a

  two-second buffer on the playing device

  airplay to the streaming device is asked

  to supply the audio as fast as it can

  faster than real time until the buffer

  fills up and so your airplay to client

  program that's playing media has to be

  able to feed the buffer a lot like you

  know 5 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever

  it is of the future audio and then the

  playing device maintains that buffer and

  plays it in real time and notifies you

  of you know what point it has reached in

  playback and so this changes a bunch of

  things this is a really big foundational

  change to how this works there are a

  number of big advantages so number one

  is that scenario of taking out the

  grabbers during a party as long as

  you're not taking like 20 minutes

  outside to take the garbage out in which

  case I would say you have to think about

  your a home layout that's too much of a


  you know it should be fine you should

  get back inside in time for that you

  know minutes long buffer the two do not

  have to under run itself also you know

  in as we talked about during Euro ads

  like a lot of times like places in your

  house are kind of Wi-Fi dead zones and

  so the same problem with that was like

  there's lots of like common scenarios

  where like if your airplane anybody

  who's ever done airplay hasn't you know

  you know this because this has probably

  happened to you at some point where like

  you know the person with the phone is

  walking around somewhere and drops out

  arrange for a second and the music stops

  or skips or whatever also another big

  advantage of this of breaking it out of

  that like fixed latency model is that

  commands to change so play pause seek

  commands those can happen faster than

  that two-second buffer those can happen

  basically as quickly as the as the

  device receives and processes them so

  like any other Wi-Fi command in your

  house so it can be really fast so way

  faster way more responsive playback

  controls as well as that long super long

  buffer and it's also airplay one did

  support multi-room audio in some way I'm

  not familiar with the details of how it

  coordinated it but I think only iTunes

  on the Mac could ever really officially

  be the source for that there was never a

  way for it to have an iOS device as the

  source of multi-room audio with airplay

  one airplay to that is now possible you

  cannot do multi-room audio with the iOS

  device as the source of that so that's

  another big change I don't really know

  what has changed by the protocol to

  allow that but I'm sure it's I'm sure

  there's a good reason also because the

  playback buffering and the media supply

  has been separated from the command

  interface of like play pause you can now

  have multiple devices in your house

  being able to control the play pause

  type controls of a stream it's playing

  from not them so like you and your

  spouse can both have play pause control

  over the music playing from only one of

  your phones to the airplay to speaker so

  also you know fun stuff there's also

  separation now of phone call status from

  airplay so you can for instance take a

  phone call on your phone that is air

  playing music to a speak

  and the music continues to play back on

  that speaker while you're on the phone

  call that didn't happen before so this

  and so this is all a lot of major

  changes and this is I think one of the

  reasons why this is taking so long - and

  wide airplay - seems to be the big delay

  for the home pod this is tons of new iOS

  api's tons of new background processes

  and changes to fundamental things in iOS

  to make all this happen also on the

  device side on the speaker side you now

  have this you know long buffering

  mechanism and that's much more complex

  than before you know I'm sure Apple has

  some kind of component or a library or

  something that they will sell

  manufacturers to make this easier on

  them to you know to kind of automate

  this for them would be like a drop in

  component or something but it's more

  complex than airplay one was by a lot

  and even airplay one the client

  implementations tended to suck that

  weren't apples like there was like one

  airplay chip that every airplay speaker

  used and it sucked it was unreliable and

  it was terrible so I'm guessing the

  delay in the speaker availability is

  because this is more complex and you

  know maybe maybe the industry was caught

  off guard a little bit who knows maybe

  maybe Apple hasn't actually really

  finished it yet and they're just not

  saying that but either way it's a

  complex protocol and then on the

  software side on the iOS side and

  probably the home pod side this is

  complex III ran into some of this

  complexity when I started looking at

  these api's for overcast and the main

  complexity here is these streaming the

  music to the buffer is now disconnected

  from what time stamp or even like what

  track is actually playing at that moment

  because you can read ahead by so far

  like before with the old airplay one

  model whatever function in your app

  supplied the audio to the output stream

  could notify the app as that happened

  you're now at timestamp one you're now

  at timestamp two and as soon as it

  played through a track you can say this

  track has finished playing you're now

  playing this next track now it can

  buffer so far ahead of real time

  that the production of the audio in your

  app the thing that is supplying the

  audio has to be a separate thing

  entirely from what parts of your app

  manage what time stamp it's playing at

  and what track is currently playing and

  they they've moved all that out now to

  this new like synchronizer object that

  you need so like none of this is like

  difficult to to deal with but it's

  different it's it's a major change from

  the way it used to work and there's also

  things like like for instance if you if

  your app has like a concept of like a

  playlist and an item that is coming up

  it's changed say the user deletes an

  entry in a playlist or reorder as a

  playlist and that part has already been

  buffered you now have to tell the buffer

  thing oh and everything after this

  timestamp is now different reload it so

  there's there's all sorts of big and

  small changes like that needed to adopt

  this kind of model and none of them are

  difficult or impossible it's just a lot

  of things to deal with it's a lot of

  change a lot of potential for new bugs

  or not realizing that old bugs were

  really bugs and so it's like even doing

  it for overcast is a is a pretty major

  undertaking that I'm nowhere near done

  with I've only done like the early

  stages of it and now can I put on the

  back burner because now I know that it's

  not going to be imminent and I have more

  pressing things I want to do but it's a

  big change to audio applications and to

  these systems in iOS that manage them so

  I think there's very very good

  justification for airplay - to be late

  and for Apple to be running behind I

  think they should have probably

  anticipated it better and plan for it

  better but oh well they're all this is

  just to say that technically speaking

  this is a nice improvement it is also a

  really big job so it's totally

  reasonable for it to be like you know

  harder than they might have predicted or

  taking longer than they predicted you

  have a fun class of bugs like you could

  have a bug based on what you described

  where the speaker is playing a song but

  but your your player application on your

  phone indicates that it's playing a

  different song so I can it goes to the

  next track you didn't do that

  synchronization thing that you said oh

  by the way they've deleted something the

  your phone will say I'm happily playing

  song a and you

  hearing a totally different song comes

  through the speaker you'd be like this

  thing is totally broken how does that

  even happen well now we know how it

  happens yeah or like as it starts

  buffering if you didn't do the time

  stamp you know change of how it reports

  what time you're playing until then like

  you can have it if you watch your time

  thing in the app you started playing to

  a speaker and your time starts racing

  ahead by like 10 minutes all of a sudden

  but you're not hearing at that fast like

  there's so many or like it races to the

  end and deletes the file because so it's

  played already gone like there's there's

  a lot of potential for big and small

  bugs here in your application if they

  change the playback speed midstream you

  have to invalidate everything that you

  freeze the uploaded at the other speed

  yep or if they toggle off smart speed

  yep anything or if you seek I think if

  you I don't think it actually does in

  the current protocol I'm not sure

  actually does seeking anyway and you

  know what concern I have too is like

  this stuff is all so early and so

  complex and such a big undertaking I'm

  not sure I want to devote a whole bunch

  of time to changing my entire audio

  engine to support this before I know

  that the API is solid and given that

  Apple is delaying their own airplay to

  stuff and I'm kind of worried that maybe

  the API is not done yet or not baked yet

  so in it there's another reason why I've

  kind of paused my work on this for now

  yeah I could end up like crashing your

  application in scenarios where their

  person is not even using airplay to just

  because of how you had to rejigger the

  internals which is not a great thing to

  happen all right what are we in the

  middle of were in the middle of SKT P

  right yep okay and rule in limb penning

  rights could John please detail his

  method for reading extremely long soft

  Carver boats without ruining spine where

  the hell did this even come from what

  about some other podcast that I'm on

  that and repair business do I discussed

  this I think you two should know about

  it too in the long history of weird

  things that have anyway I I when I was

  younger I had a lot of books like paper

  books before I got on the book bandwagon

  and I had a lot of paperback books when

  I was younger and some of them are

  really thick because I'm big Stephen

  King fan and

  books are long and eventually I got into

  books as a thing that you can buy like

  sort of a physical object in addition to

  the words that they contain in fact I'm

  still like that I read e-books mostly

  but I still like physical books often I

  will buy a physical book but still read

  the e-book anyway we've got a lot of

  soft covers and I like them I got a lot

  of series that had cool spines I put

  them up all on my shelf arranged them

  they looked nice pretty soon after

  getting my first collection of

  paperbacks I decided that didn't like

  how the books looked when the spines

  were broken if you opened up a paperback

  really wide the nice printed spine on it

  will get a big white you know crease or

  crack on it and if you read the book

  eventually you have cracks going up and

  down the whole spine anyone who has had

  a big thick paperback book knows about

  this so I didn't like that so eventually

  I decided I'm going to read all myself

  cover books no matter how thick they are

  without breaking the spine and that's

  what this question is about how do you

  do that

  unfortunately for Andrew the answer is

  exactly how you would think you do that

  you don't open the book really wide you

  support the spine with your fingers

  behind it and you open it a crack

  anybody like how are you gonna read an

  entire literally eight hundred page book

  peeking into this tiny crevice to read

  the text out of the you know like it you

  know there is no secret the secret you

  know like the technique is put your

  fingers on the back of the spine so you

  can feel what's happening at the back of

  that spine and open it as wide as you

  can before it greases and just be really

  really careful and I don't think that's

  a particularly fun way I read I think

  people should buy ebooks because they're

  way better than paper books but paper

  books you're beautiful so you should

  still buy them and collect them and

  display them so how do you use an iPhone

  without scratching it well you keep it

  in a small felt pouch every single time

  you use it you never actually in the

  pouch ever yeah but what could possibly

  be more convenient than the pouch is

  awesome I like here's the thing about I

  originally I'd started doing it for the

  reason you you noted for like scratch

  ability but I have come to appreciate

  the fingerprint like I don't I don't

  ever have to clean off my phone screen

  which is apparently things a lot of

  people have to do or their phone screens


  gusting because every time it goes in

  and out of my pouch it gets cleaned of

  course and when it stays in there and it

  rubs around like it's a microfiber thing

  it is always cleaning my phone screen

  that's nice

  so a year of using my jet-black iPhone 7

  and you know how much should ever matter

  how scratched it was not at all

  you know how much I ever noticed zero at

  the back I'm talking about talking about

  the front actually you know what case on

  that so I don't care about the back I

  actually do have a small problem with

  the iPhone 10 I'm getting scratches on

  my screen really on the front yeah why

  from what I don't know like they're

  they're not like deep scratches but you

  know when the light hits certain angle

  you can see them and I think I think I

  heard from a few other people that they

  were having a similar issue like I've

  never had I phone screen scratches that

  noticeable I'm getting scratches on my

  iPhone 10 like already so I don't know I

  don't know what's up they like micro

  like a very micro scratches like maybe

  they're just scratches in the sort of

  oleophobic whatever coating and not like

  actually in the class

  maybe I mean I get like they they don't

  look deep like you can't see them at all

  angles if you turn the screen off

  they're pretty they're pretty noticeable

  mm-hmm that's interesting anyway I don't

  have any online pouch it's an answer it

  may not be the answer but it is an

  answer I will concede it is an answer on

  the back of my jet-black iPhone 7 I'm

  sure its pristine underneath my leather

  case good for it I'm sure that's that's

  gonna really be it's gonna really matter

  a long term yeah but I've already

  decided that I'm not speaking of keeping

  phones pristine I'm not gonna give my my

  any of my kids this iPhone 7 like I

  handed down my iPhone 6 and you know god

  knows what my son is doing to it for the

  7 I'm like no no we'll buy you like an

  iPhone se use or something but we're not

  you're not getting my 7 I spent all this

  time keeping it pristine like this is

  this I put my iPhone 7 I think is in the

  category of like my ac30 in my 2008 Mac

  Pro I really like this phone I mean I

  grant I've only had two iPhones but this

  is by far my favorite like there's

  nothing about it that is bad even the

  lack of that phone port like I've you

  know I think as iPhone 7 is great and

  I'm now appreciating it as my last like

  pre iPhone 10 not

  era of Apple phone you know yeah it

  honestly like you know as we talked

  about it in our iPhone 7 exit interview

  segment I like looking back on it like I

  don't want to go back to it because I

  like the 10 too much but that really was

  a great phone like David really it was

  it was a great phone yeah and it's great

  too and everything but you know

  overshadowed by the tensile be like and

  I didn't get the 8 right so I've got the

  7 and this is my phone that like hit the

  sweet spot of like the culmination of a

  long evolution of a particular phone

  factor before Apple took a hard left

  turn to iPhone Penland also like the 8

  doesn't have the jet black finish and

  that to me was a critical part of why

  the 7 was so awesome because it so

  dramatically improved and changed the

  feel of the phone like it really gave

  that awesome caseless grip that I miss I

  you know the iPhone 10 is better than

  like the previous aluminum ones but it's

  still not as good as the iPhone 7 grip

  but I like the rest of it so I'm keeping

  it I guess even though my screen is

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  I I really I do this every year I guess

  this is my my lose weight kind of New

  Year's resolution even though it's not a

  resolution it's just something I remind

  myself of every year and every year you

  know January comes around I remind

  myself you know what you should really

  be less negative Casey up on the

  internet and stop complaining and

  moaning about things which I don't think

  I do

  overwhelmingly but I do probably more

  than I should and then something like

  this happens I see a news report saying

  BMW is going to charge $80 a year for a

  subscription of carplay $80 for a

  subscription of carplay that involves no

  like cloud services or anything like

  that of any sort

  it's just $80 for them to not cut you

  off for the thing in your car yeah what

  what huh there's a number of angles to

  this so like a few people asked when

  this first came out like well do we know

  like his Apple charging them dearly and

  we don't have a firm answer on that

  apparently somebody heard from some car

  maker that Apple does not charge fees

  for car play and there certainly is not

  an annual fee Apple did say so

  according to Gruber this is website

  Gruber says I've now received the

  following clarification from Apple there

  is no fee for OEMs for either MFI or

  carplay integration there never has been

  and and then every will to my knowledge

  there are no plans to this change there

  is no royalty costs or ongoing costs the

  only cost automakers are those necessary

  to create the hardware this includes an

  authentication chip alright that's good

  okay so anyway so that rules that out

  but anyway so this does solve a problem

  I don't think it solves it in the right

  way but there there is a problem that

  BMWs as you know case you from having

  bought them especially I have about them

  used certain options like this there are

  options at you know I purchased when the

  car is new and you can't add them later

  the car play there's not much reason

  like it's like a three

  hundred dollar option normally before

  this thing there's not a lot of reason

  that they had to charge three hundred

  extra dollars they're just doing it

  because they can because cars like this

  you know luxury cars especially they

  charge money for every little thing

  anything if you want like they've

  offered for years now they've offered

  like wireless phone charging where they

  just put basically a Qi charger in the

  armrest and they charge you like $700 or

  some obscene thing for that like that's

  just the game here when you're buying a

  high-end car like this many of the

  brands will nickel and dime you to death

  over stuff that does not cost them that

  much to add but they have a captive

  audience you know it's just like buying

  a beer at a baseball stadium it's a

  captive audience

  you're already spending a lot of money

  they know that they can get more out of

  people if they do this so you know that

  I I don't really fault them for charging

  separately for this I think it's a

  crappy luxury experience that not every

  BMW has carplay like a lot of other

  manufacturers all of their cars now have

  carplay or all of certain model lines

  have it BMWs not doing that that creates

  a problem if you're looking for a used

  one and this is a fairly minor feature

  distinction so if you're looking at used

  BMWs or if you have acquired a used BMW

  it might be difficult to find one that

  has carplay or you might not know until

  you actually go visit one of the dealer

  whether the one you're looking at has

  carplay or not there is a problem that

  they are now solving that now you can

  add carplay so I think you can actually

  like if a car was sold without it and

  you go buy it use and you want it I

  think you can add it by starting to pay

  this fee that's not a great solution to

  that problem there are way better

  solutions like honestly you know a

  decent a well spec BMW cost like over 40

  grand most of the time you can throw in

  car play but at no additional charge

  like there this is this is the kind of

  thing like you know the brakes aren't

  optional you know the like that like the

  air conditioning now comes standard like

  you know I think car plays is really

  very quickly becoming one of those

  features where like people just expect

  that like it's weird if you don't have

  it on a nice car these days so they

  should really include it on all the cars

  and not

  charge you this dumphy one of the

  analogies I heard was like and in cheap

  to mid price hotels the Wi-Fi is free

  but in fancy hotels they charge you for

  it that is definitely not true they

  charge you for it every no like that's

  I've heard that saying before and I have

  experienced some of that where main

  places I've seen free Wi-Fi are not in

  the fanciest hotels but kind of in the

  mid tier ones but once you get fancy

  they're like well you're already paying

  so much for the room anyway we'll just

  add this charge on for the wife yeah

  well and also like you know

  see also iCloud storage plans like what

  we talked about earlier there's this is

  a captive audience

  right like iCloud storage cells not

  because it's a great deal but because

  you kind of want it it makes the

  experience way better and what else you

  gonna do like this is all system

  integration stuff it's like if you want

  this experience in the native first

  party way that works with everything

  you're probably going to pay whatever

  they want for it the car plan BMWs is

  the same thing like you're gonna have to

  pay whatever they want for it basically

  so I think the solution here is to stop

  buying BMWs exactly the problem of like

  they do have competitors like maybe

  there's no competitor for car play for

  you I want integration with my iPhone in

  such and such a way but you can buy

  another luxury car that has car play

  that doesn't charge you this much

  and one of the points I've seen from

  people talking about this in terms of

  pricing it's like well if you get a

  three year lease and it's 80 bucks it's

  still cheaper than a $300 up front

  option which is kind of true and like in

  the grand scheme of things given like

  you know like how much they charge for

  the different paint color it's like an

  additional twenty five hundred dollars

  or whatever like if you add it all up

  the number of absurd things you're going

  to pay way more for for the life of this

  BMW that you'll happily pay for it

  because you want the sparkly red paint

  or whatever Dwarfs this car plaything

  but the car everything just just feels

  punitive because yeah everyone else is

  giving it to you for free and there's

  not even a hint of a justifiable reason

  for it to be an ongoing eternal payment

  and so just the noise people so I think

  BMW will is what will either happen

  either BMW will reverse this or every

  other luxury car maker will do the same

  thing it's true it's just I don't know

  it's just so frustrating because I know

  like in my

  that this is a completely unsurprising

  thing for a luxury car manufacturer to

  do like the things that BMW charged

  sport like up until recently and maybe

  still to this day they they had a

  tremendous up charge for for xenon

  headlamps or the high intensity

  discharge headlamps I guess their LEDs

  now in all likelihood but for years when

  when hind in high intensity discharge

  headlamps were a thing BMWs would still

  have that as an option like my

  generation the the early 2010 oh yeah my

  13 my 3-series that was that generation

  I didn't get the HIDs they were too


  right exactly and I will see them

  constantly to this day they mean you can

  tell you know what is HIDs and what

  doesn't but that seemed preposterous to

  me like I'm not saying that it shouldn't

  necessarily be paid for but come on it's

  an option really like you're buying a

  BMW buying a Mercedes you're buying an

  Acura whatever the case may be like that

  that should just be part of the car and

  I don't know this just seems like such a

  preposterous absurd thing to nickel and

  dime people over and it's not as bad as

  Porsche from what I understand who I

  guess is the the kings and queens of

  nickel and diming but it's just gross

  and I think BMW has been heading more

  and more this way over time and it just

  grosses me out and here again I just I

  don't know what car I should get if I

  get a new car cuz I'm screwed no matter

  what what happened to the ultimate

  driving machine that reviews that slogan

  anymore I love that slogan I mean to be

  fair like every be MOU owner has always

  had this progression with the company

  and it just rolls into different times

  it's like yep every BMW owner for the

  history of BMW has always said whatever

  happened to the BMW that made you know

  my first car yeah like now the ones they

  make today are crap but whatever

  happened to the MacBook Pros with better

  keyboards am i right Marco well it's a

  little bit different when the failure

  rate changes so dramatically it was a I

  think your inhaler

  maybe was him or someone else tweeted a

  picture of an old power book and all I

  could think I was looking at that it's

  like look at the travel on those keys

  sighs keyboard keys like that was before

  they even started really flattening them

  out like they look like just full size

  and mechanical

  keyboard key caps right yeah they

  probably have more travel than the the

  total thickness of the current proline



  I was thinking the MacPro design

  speculation that could be pretty much

  any time before WTC probably every every

  time every day is my perspective Asia

  day all right me I was thinking to like

  I like I probably like we probably have

  done too much Mac Pro stuff recently so

  they could we could use it like a few

  weeks break from that oh thank god

  disagree we should start with follow-up

  Peter van Brookhaven has some thoughts

  about apples hesitation to do battery

  replacements and he writes in that one

  of the reasons that they really don't

  like to do battery replacements is that

  if they can't get the battery out

  cleanly then they'll replace the whole

  phone but they'll do it for the cost of

  just that battery replacement so he said

  he had an older phone I think he said

  like a 5s or something like that that he

  still was running on the original

  battery went to the Apple store he asked

  them to replace the battery they botched

  it and so he got himself a brand new 5s

  for 90 whatever dollars or $30 whatever

  the cost is now and that that explains

  to me anyway why they're super reticent

  to be doing battery replacements unless

  they're really sure it's necessary yeah

  and that you know even if you're willing

  to pay like oh you know just take my

  money I'm willing to pay for the battery

  placements like yeah but this battery

  replacement could change from even from

  an $80 build with the old price into

  something that costs Apple you know

  several hundred dollars to give you

  basically a brand new phone because they

  couldn't at the very out but it could be

  argued well a volt here and stupid fault

  for making phones that you can't get the

  batteries out of without destroying them

  so maybe the next time you design a

  phone make it easier to get the battery

  in and out and they probably have

  because he's talking about a 5s and

  there's been many phones since then and

  so designing designing phones for

  serviceability is I think something that

  Apple has been he was probably like a

  narc like the first ones were probably

  reasonably serviceable just because they

  were simpler and then they probably got

  a lot less serviceable as they got

  thinner and more complicated and I feel

  like now they go in the opposite

  direction of yeah we want to make them

  thin and compact but also try to do the

  best we can for serviceability so really

  Apple is you know you're just making

  problems for themselves they continue to

  make things that are always glued

  together and have little ribbon

  connectors that are all

  then glued on with adhesives that age

  and everything like that's that's their

  own fault so I feel like they have to

  either just eat this cost or do better

  about making serviceable phones because

  they're the ones servicing them moving

  on we have some news about iOS 11 3

  which we'll talk about later but one of

  the things that's come out come out over

  the last week is that 11 3 will let

  users turn off the battery performance

  throttling and I don't really understand


  like if the choice is your phone

  spontaneously dying or just being very

  slow I'll go with very slow but I say

  this from the position of not really had

  a phone that's gotten this performance

  throttling so maybe I don't really

  understand how unbelievably unbearable

  the throttling is but regardless

  11:3 will add new features to show the

  battery health and recommend if a

  battery needs to be serviced so that'll

  be found in settings battery and are

  available for the iPhone 6 and later for

  the more users can now see if the power

  management feature that dynamically

  manages maximum performance to prevent

  unexpected shutdowns which was

  introduced in 10.1 is on and whether and

  they can choose whether or not to turn

  it off this feature can be found in

  settings battery as well and is also

  available from the 6 and up yeah this so

  this is not a great fix to this problem

  or solution to this need to users it is

  possible that they needed to do it this

  way to have that off switch for some

  kind of legal or a lawsuit or regulatory

  compliance reason you know they've

  gotten a lot of crap for this from a lot

  of different places a lot of different

  countries but just as a user experience

  having a switch to let your phone

  randomly shut down seems very

  unappetizing and it seems like this is

  very much a like you know Steve Jobs

  you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong kind

  of response from Apple you want a free

  bumper find take a free bumper we've

  heard it from a lot of people why don't

  you just give everybody a case ok great

  let's give everybody a case yeah like it

  there there general response and tone

  with this is not good that interview Tim

  Cook gave it's better than the Steve

  Jobs talk

  you see was actually pretty obnoxious

  and snarky and everything every

  communication I've seen about this has

  been fairly magnanimous and

  understanding he made the feature itself

  may seem snarky but I don't think the

  communication has been Steve Jobs level

  you want a bumper fine here's a free

  bumper III thought the the Tim Cook

  quote about it in that interview a few

  days ago was pretty bad Oh people people

  not understanding yet Tim Cook had a

  couple of statements the media but like

  honestly Tim Cook should not talk to the

  media like I really honestly I'm serious

  like he does not come off well in these

  kind of interviews whenever he's asked

  anything of substance it does not come

  off well well usually his problem is

  that he's just blinded didn't say

  anything right so that's but this is a

  rare case where he showed a little bit

  of teeth it was like I just think maybe

  people just didn't really understand or

  weren't paying attention there was just

  such BS like that's what you should know

  STUV the time it's merely what he says

  has no to information it's just kind of

  platitude right the platitudes one isn't

  harmful and I think maybe that's

  actually a good way to communicate with

  the people in those venues but it's not

  like Apple fans you know it's just like

  whoever is watching you know CNN or

  whatever whatever you know news network

  he's on at that moment I think that's a

  fine communication but it's boring we're

  not interested in it and he's not gonna

  say anything new the snark shows a

  little personality of a nominee he's you

  know off-base but I think that the

  strangest bit of communication this

  actually started and follow up as a

  story about Tim's communication and

  changed into now that we have the actual

  release notes for the 11 3 beta into you

  know more concrete story but the the

  original story was Tim Cook was on a new

  show and yeah he did his normal

  platitudes that he normally does just

  sort of saying speaking generalities

  about stuff that close I'll follow was

  already new but then he mentioned

  something about being able to turn off

  the battery throttling and that's not

  what Apple's press release said like way

  back when when they talked about this

  the press release said oh we're gonna

  have new battery information and you

  know old stuff but didn't say anything

  about being able to turn off so I was

  like is he like misremembering what they

  plan to do maybe they talked about

  having an off switch and he is just

  misremembering instead it's like no he's

  much more controlled than that but then

  he's like essentially breaking Apple

  news on a random cable news channel like

  he pre-announced features of the iOS 11

  3 beta

  like a couple days ahead of time which

  is weird for

  Apple so the Riddler who's gonna be was

  he misremembering or is this a thing

  they're gonna do but now the story is

  Tim Cook is breaking news about Apple on

  cable news shows which is weird well I

  mean I I think that's his prerogative oh

  yeah no it's totally up but it's it's

  it's definitely a change it makes me

  wonder like it is that like the new

  version of the controlled leaked to The

  Wall Street Journal where they just send

  Tim out and tell him to say that I mean

  this is not the first time that an Apple

  executive has like broken some news in

  an interview like this that that seems

  pretty clearly you know planned that way

  okay minor news it's not big news but

  still honestly that is minor news I mean

  like the big news was the problem at all

  the the how they're solving it in these

  various ways is fairly small news but I

  do think though just going back to the

  the actual feature and solution here I

  don't think this is quite enough what

  this is basically saying is if this is

  happening to you we will now display

  that in this settings battery panel that

  nobody ever knows better goes to and you

  know will display it there and so you

  able to check there to see what's

  happening that's not good enough because

  most people will never think to check

  there or won't know how to check there

  or won't you know like they just think

  my phone is slow I need to buy a new one

  so really I think users need to be

  notified in some way when their phone

  reaches a state in which this setting is

  turned on for them and and I tweeted

  this earlier a lot of people

  misunderstood I wasn't clear enough I'm

  not saying that like every time the CPU

  gets throttled they should get another

  notification dialog boxes yeah what I'm

  saying is that at some point when when

  your phone has reached some kind of

  metric as measured by the battery or

  whatever at some point this setting gets

  turned on for you without you knowing

  that needs to be a user notification

  when that happens and it might be like

  to be clear we don't know that that

  that's not happened just the release

  just say that there's a setting for all

  we know there is a notification and

  there is a battery indicator in the

  status Mart those things could both be

  true they just you know might not merit

  mentioning here so the only way

  unfortunately the only way we'll be able

  to find out unless is the way you can do

  this in simulator is there someone to

  have a phone that's on the threshold

  between like they'll go to the battery

  settings screen let's say oh I'm right

  on the border where it's gonna yell at

  me if they show some kind of bar graph

  or something and then just abuse the

  phone until it crosses that threshold

  and see if you get

  and alert of any kind and in a

  surprising stroke of good news for John

  your ancient cheese grater is running El

  Cap is it not it is and you got a little

  present recently tell me about this I

  didn't get it because I am installed it


  Specter fixes have been backported all

  the way back to El Capitan and Sierra

  and of course High Sierra which is

  extended what they usually do is they

  back pour it to a few recent versions if

  you watch are there back in that you

  don't get the fix I almost don't want to

  install the fixture so I can get that

  extra speed which I said best really

  need in my computer yeah this will push

  you over the edge yeah but I haven't

  installed yet but anyway in case you're

  wondering yes the the fix is backward I

  already have a safari update which I

  feel like is you know maybe just as

  important because the main vector

  through which unknown software runs on

  my computer is probably the web browser

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  we got some news over the last few days

  we've gotten some news about iOS 11 3

  we're gonna talk about that a little

  later but perhaps more interestingly he

  says with little confidence the home pod

  has been officially officially announced

  it will start shipping on February 9th

  the pre-orders will open or I guess it's

  not really pre-orders it doesn't matter

  anyway the orders will open this coming

  Friday which at this point may have

  already happened by the time you're

  listening to this and we don't really

  know a whole heck of a lot else this is

  the kind of product that theoretically I

  should be excited about many of us I

  think should be excited about this but

  it just seems like it's had such a

  clumsy release cycle and we know so

  little about it that it's really hard to

  get excited about it because it seems

  like it's you know it's coming out late

  and some key features we're not

  launching yet they're they're coming you

  know later this year or whatever and we

  still don't really know much about it

  there's still no reviews there are there

  there's been no like you know hands on

  or anything there was a very brief press

  demo last last summer everybody see when

  they announced it but it was extremely

  limited there was no speak it was just

  music playback so it was there's some

  really big question marks about this

  product that we just don't know yet now

  we could we could listen back to this in

  a few weeks from when people have this

  and it's amazing and we could listen

  back to anything we say now and be like

  well they were so wrong we were so wrong

  I can't believe that we all thought this

  product would be weird or suck you know

  it could turn out amazing we don't know

  yet but it's just weird that there's

  this product that I think a lot of us

  thought would be a major product launch

  that is kind of just like stumbling out

  the door been in this clumsy fashion and

  it's gonna have launched incomplete in

  its State on launch day there are so

  many missing features and limitations

  that I think the potential market for it


  not gonna be that big now over time as

  they lift these limitations we'll see

  you know it's probably gonna get popular

  eventually it might not but but I think

  the chances are more likely than not

  that it will work long term it's just

  weird that it's launching in such a in

  such a clumsy fashion and in such an

  incomplete state and I still question

  why that had to be announced last summer

  I don't question it that much because

  like this is this was a market that

  Apple has is late to like its other

  competitors you know Amazon echo was

  obviously the first let's all talk to

  our cylinder and it was out there for a

  while before Google launched its clone

  and now Google's been out for a while

  and finally Apple and O's and those are

  the big three tech companies and Apple

  you know it took the longest to decide

  yes we're gonna make a cylinder that you

  talk to that connects to our streaming

  music service right and so everyone else

  has a big hit start on them everyone

  else was shipping a couple of companies

  have had multiple revisions and multiple

  products and diversify their product

  lines even Google has a big one and a

  little one now and an even bigger one

  that sounds fancy right so other

  companies have not just done the product

  for longer but I've had more revisions

  and this is a case where it just seemed

  to me that Apple

  I mean apples very often late to market

  right but in this case Apple it seemed

  like it felt self-conscious like we're

  late but we want you to know that we are

  we do want to compete in our but we're

  not ready yet so they had to like

  pre-announce it no I think they pre they

  didn't expect it to be this late right

  so you make your bed you're like oh we

  can announce this now we think it'll be

  ready you know not that long from now

  like within the window of like

  reasonableness but obviously they

  they've missed that window and it's

  pretty darn late at this point and you

  know how can it be late if they never

  told you exactly when it would be

  available just in terms of you know

  practically speaking if you have a such

  a limited pre announcement of a product

  and then say nothing about it for like

  six months

  it's that's not good timing it's not

  good PR you want to get people

  interested about a product and slowly

  dole out news building up to a launch

  not kill people barely anything and then

  don't say anything about it for many

  many months that's it's just bad PR so

  that's why that's why we say oh it feels

  like it's late that if you had a choice

  that's not how you do

  a PR rollout so you know why did they

  announce it so early if to me my read on

  that is they felt pressure to get in get

  their foot in the market ASAP put their

  quarter on the videogame machine or

  whatever's I've got next right we're

  gonna be there and not just like in a

  vague way but here's the actual thing

  we're gonna ship it looks like this it

  sounds like this it probably does other

  things but don't ask us now right and

  they had an opportunity to announce that

  and so they did and I think that is you

  know it's a sign it's an acknowledgement

  that Apple agrees with us that they are

  behind and laid in this market versus a

  more confident Apple that could say yeah

  other people have done stuff but we

  think all the solutions they've done or

  crappy and we don't feel any pressure to

  tell you that we're gonna enter this

  market we're gonna show you our awesome

  thing I'm ready to see it doesn't matter

  how late we are that's the other

  strategy that could have taken and they

  have with many other things but not with

  this with this one they said we really

  feel like we need to tell you that we're

  gonna be in this market with this thing

  so that is not a confident move that

  doesn't that doesn't project confidence

  anyway and what they had to demo was not

  like they didn't have anything to say or

  demo that knocked our socks off either

  so it was kind of weird and now now that

  they're gonna roll this thing out it's

  like a major new product line that will

  end up rolling out without Apple ever

  having gone up on a stage and told us

  all the things that this product can do

  because they went up on a stage and told

  us very limited things about this

  product it's specifically about the

  audio but not much else

  and then many many months pass and then

  here's the product right and people will

  get you know reviews I'm sure they'll be

  reviews coming out of the thing around

  lunchtime or whatever but never did

  Apple go up in any side of special press

  presentation or anything and say let's

  just run down everything about this they

  do with all the phones with all the

  iPads even with most of the Macs here's

  all the features here's all the specs

  here's all the things about this thing

  here's what it can do they never did

  that for this product which is weird

  even something like a hobby product like

  the Apple TV they went up on stage and

  said here's Apple TV you know this is

  what it does this is what it looks like

  this is how much

  it runs you know Mac os10 point for

  inside don't tell anybody it's mega was

  ten ten point four enough to many tens

  they didn't do that this product at all

  so yeah I'm kind of a salmon Marco this

  could be awesome and everybody could

  love it and in particular if I'm trying

  to think of how ways that this product

  could be awesome that we are under

  estimating right now is potentially just

  the the hardware that this stuff that

  Apple has shown they've shown like oh

  it's got speakers and microphones and

  blah blah blah well and and like they're

  engineering in regards to audio and

  sound quality in recent years has been

  awesome like they have they've

  dramatically improved the speaker's in

  most of their products that have

  speakers including the phones yeah

  including the phones like like they

  they've really done a lot in in the

  areas of audio and speaker engineering

  recently so I have full confidence in in

  their proclamations that it is going to

  sound amazing that it is going to be

  super advanced in the way it measures a

  room and and bounce the sound off of

  walls I bet it will sound amazing but

  that is just one aspect of this product

  and there are so many other ones that

  either sound kind of bad or that are

  just giant question marks yeah and like

  the thing about this product is that I'm

  trying to think of you know it does this

  track with like the Apple TV they're

  thinking about the Apple TV is they

  didn't get the hardware right for a long

  time they took the wrong approach the

  wrong OS the wrong size there were you

  know the really early one was like a

  little bit too early the puck I think

  they hit on with everybody else the the

  better size and price for this kind of a

  product then they took too long to come

  up with 4k but now that they've settled

  down like hardware wise it's reasonable

  especially now that frame rate at frame

  rate matching more on that in a little

  bit with this product I feel like it's

  possible that they have more or less

  gotten the hardware right on the first

  try that the the sound output looks

  impressive and you know can justify the

  price because it's got a lot of little

  speakers and a lot of hardware to be

  able to do all the magic to make it

  sound good

  I think it also has a lot of microphones

  and it hopefully does a good job with

  them which is the other important part

  of this hardware it's clean and clear

  stand about what it's supposed to be you

  know not having a screen of any kind

  it's basically speakers and a microphone

  the software side is where we we know

  they have gaps cuz there's features that

  they they sort of talked about but Arnie

  and I'm going to ship until later but it

  is possible that Apple can essentially

  slowly catch up without actually

  revising this hardware but merely by

  shipping regular software updates to

  make this thing more and more capable

  and improving Siri and all the other

  stuff behind the scenes like in other

  words do you think after the ship's

  there will be some kind of pressing need

  for a revised home pod I think this

  hardware could potentially last a long

  time they just have to update the

  software so that's it's not ideal right

  but it does mean that if they can sell

  these things and then improve them over

  time they can build up some loyalty by

  people yeah I bought this product and it

  was limited and now it gets better and

  better as I use it and a year from now

  they could be selling the quote-unquote

  exact same home pod and it could be a

  way better product than it is now

  because I don't think that there's some

  essential hardware feature that this

  doesn't have and especially if the audio

  is really good it could you know

  certainly it will have better sound than

  like the hundred dollar things like an

  echo or a cheap Google home maybe it

  will even have better sound then an even

  more expensive Sonos it's just a matter

  of them getting their software story

  together and they can do that not at

  their leisure but they can do that

  without revising this product you know

  essentially so I was gonna get one I

  don't know I was just about to say like

  I'm sure knowing me I will end up buying

  one because this is the moment as always

  I said I really think it's interesting

  you have to visit we all have some

  wonders but you so you're so under lists

  so you need to also like until I have a

  way to interact with it as a developer I

  don't think I'm gonna buy one because

  there's not a place in my life where

  this makes sense right now and and of

  course that might change but right now

  like given its current limitations like

  one of the big things is yeah maybe you

  can replace your TV's speakers with

  it well you can't have a stereo pair yet

  right so like because airplay to which

  we'll get to in a little while

  airplay to is not yet shipping so one of

  the things you can't do is have a stereo

  pair of these things acting as you know

  two stereo speakers so that that rules

  out a lot of that already

  and it also there's no line in like the

  only way you can receive audio is either

  via Siri playing things from Apple music

  or via airplay and right now just

  airplay one which has some limitations

  and everything but mmm one limitation by

  the way has a fixed two-second latency

  so even if you do some kind of crazy

  thing where you have something beaming

  other audio like from your other home

  theatre components via some kind of

  airplay bridge to this thing about the

  latency will be too high even for TVs to

  compensate for it so there's basically

  no good way to get the rest of your

  audio from your TV to this the Apple TV

  can allegedly airplay to it and use it

  as speakers and that's probably gonna be

  nice for you know airplay to when that

  comes out that's gonna be low latency

  and everything but that's it so like you

  could do it if the only input that to

  your TV if the only source of sound that

  you want to hear from this is an Apple

  TV you could theoretically have that

  kind of setup but if you have anything

  else a game console other streaming

  boxes a DVD player blu-ray player like

  if you have anything else that you want

  to plug into this you're out of luck

  a Sonos connect bridge maybe but it's

  like two people use the computing

  devices because I would never think

  about playing my TV through this I will

  also wouldn't think about playing my TV

  through an Amazon echo or through a

  Google home even the big speaker 1:i

  also wouldn't play my TV through any of

  the little Sonos things yes so much

  makes a sound bar that I play you my TV

  through so almost makes a sound bar and

  the sound bar can also use the little

  sono speakers as satellite speakers so

  you can't stand people do that so Sonos

  has solutions to this other spirit and

  like I feel and you know Amazon and

  Google home I feel like the the kind of

  speakers that they sell in volume don't

  really lend themselves to this they're

  too small but it doesn't really matter

  cuz like they're more made for like a

  kitchen or a counter or something like

  that but if you're gonna have a larger

  and more expensive speaker that focuses

  on sound quality one of the big places

  you put it is in

  is it is for your TV like you'd replace

  the speakers for your TV isn't that much

  bigger though it's not like I'd say it's

  in between I don't even think it's as

  big as the Google big speaker whatever

  they call that one the big rectangular

  Google one

  I think it's smaller than that like I'm

  trying to recall seeing at WWC and I

  think I was struck by how much smaller

  was than I thought certainly bigger than

  an echo and also bigger than than the

  like traditional little Google home

  thing not that many but the regular size

  the air freshener I don't I don't I

  don't think it's as big as the Sonos

  play five I don't know when one case he

  gets as well ask him to measure mm-hmm

  regardless so like for the market

  they're selling two which is sound

  quality and middle come in the middle

  the price range there I think a lot of

  people would want it to be that home

  theater role and it can't do that so

  again that limits the market it also

  limits the market that it only supports

  Apple music and not other human services

  so far and other streaming services can

  airplay to it but so far they won't be

  able to do Siri and now I kind of wonder

  if I'm ever gonna get overcast Syria

  intense because anything that would

  enable overcast but also enable Spotify

  and maybe they don't want that for the

  home pop maybe they want to solve a home

  pod only for Apple music and have you

  know lock that together and you know to

  boost the sales of Apple music so this

  is like the we talked about this before

  where the cylinders and stuff but this

  is like the omnivorous box TV problem

  all what consumers want is a speaker

  like some kind of speaker thing that

  they buy that they can talk to that can

  also play any audio from anywhere right

  and nobody offers that it's all a bunch

  of a bunch of islands you know some

  someone come close like I think the

  Sonos can play a lot of stuff but can't

  can you do Apple music by voice command

  I don't know yes oh wait no I it can do

  have music I don't think I can do it by

  a voice command yet yeah it's it's a

  weird integration that the the the

  summers product is weird limits but

  sometimes it's getting closer because

  some US doesn't have a dog in the

  streaming service fight so like whatever

  we'll play Amazon service we'll play

  google play music will play Apple music

  if all those companies will let us but

  everybody else has their own preferred

  streaming service and is in varying

  degrees restrictive you know or they're

  not letting each other play in each

  other stuff so it's not like you just

  pick the speaker you like about

  right and say I'll just gonna pick this

  figure that looks it looks the best and

  it sounds the best which would be good

  for admah like if I was gonna compete on

  audio I think it said look we we have

  the best sounding speaker the best

  balance of speaker performance and price

  $350 for something it sounds better than

  a $500 some of us buy it but if it also

  comes with oh but the only things you

  can hear over it cause this very very

  limited set of things we allow you to

  hear no no like you said no line in and

  stuff like that although honestly I

  still think that it's not an intended

  purpose for this thing to be a TV

  speaker but a stereo speaker like hey

  this is the sound system for my small

  apartment and I could play my music on

  it that's the thing like if they're

  gonna promote it as as audio quality you

  can't connect like a CD player or or

  even collect your record player yeah

  like honestly if this is truly going to

  appeal to people who can drop a $300 on

  a speaker who want something cool and

  nice and hip for their for a part of

  their home that isn't their TV a lot of

  people would want to connect a vinyl

  player to it like oh people want to

  connect other sorry I turned player so

  this weekend Marcos vinyl Ark they don't

  have corners so anyway so you know

  people want people want to connect other

  components to something to two really

  good speakers sure not all people but

  like what I'm saying is basically like

  this market is being limited by the

  limitation this device I think pretty

  severely like that really I think this

  device is very boxed in right now with

  limitations like it's appealing to

  people who like to listen to your music

  via voice but only Apple music and the

  voice service is probably gonna be a

  little bit iffy because that's how Siri

  has been so it's gonna be probably a

  mediocre voice service it's not gonna

  have a lot of integrations with other

  things that we tend to use these for

  like you know various smart home devices

  and everything you have some but it's

  not gonna have as much as an echo or

  things like that it's not gonna have

  almost any third-party services that can

  integrate with it anything you ask it to

  do that is not playing music is probably

  going to fail mysteriously in weird ways

  because that's how Syrians to operate

  even if you get it just

  for the Apple music or for airplane

  stuff - look who's going to be clumsy

  for the next six months or so yeah this

  is for people who are okay spending that

  amount of money on it who don't already

  have other kinds of you know speakers

  that are that also sound good and who

  don't want a stereo pair because it

  can't start a repair yet so it's like

  you care about sound quality but not

  enough to have a stereo pair and so it's

  just again it's just more and more

  boxing in boxing it in boxing box it in

  so I think it's gonna start out pretty

  slowly and maybe in a year it'll have

  all these features and it'll be much

  better and maybe there'll be another

  model that's a different price or a

  different size or something that would

  expand the market a little bit more but

  I think it's gonna have a really slow

  start yeah some of the other Apple

  specific features are like are you so

  granted we don't have all the

  third-party stuff but what can it do

  that NOAA device can do aside from you

  know obviously very tight integration

  with Apple music and of course Siri

  handing off your phone call the home

  potter is apparently something else you

  can do obviously from your iphone only

  but if you're on a phone call that you

  start on your iphone you come into the

  house and you want to hand it off to the

  ipod for a speakerphone conversation

  which i think is a good application of a

  good speaker and a good set of

  microphone so you can wander around talk

  and pace like an important executive as

  you discuss things that's something

  other devices don't have and of course

  they're playing up the privacy angle of

  like we're not going to upload every

  single thing you say to our servers and

  keep it there forever and all that

  business and they do try to tout that

  anyone can talk to it and that it can

  play things from Apple music even if

  you're not there which is something so

  absurd that I wouldn't even think about

  it until Apple reassured me that it's

  not the case like oh I guess they could

  have done that boy that would have been

  done but they're not well but there is a

  big question mark on that though it can

  play Apple music when you're out there

  but apparently it does a lot of the Siri

  processing on the phone on the phone is

  paired to it and it's only one person's

  phone of course so the question is how

  much can I do if that phone like suppose

  the phone that's paired to it is your

  spouse's phone and your spouse leaves

  the house how much does this function we

  don't know yeah there's also the

  question that a lot of people had of

  people like me who are not yet in the

  streaming music world but who have their

  own music collections so I have my music

  collection on my phone that which

  consists of things from CDs plus things

  purchase from iTunes my

  that's our collection my kids have their

  collections I have my giant fish

  collection right what if you want to

  play something from one of those

  collections that doesn't exist on Apple

  music is there any mechanism for that I

  think your only option is to air play it

  from iTunes or your phone but you can't

  the home pod can't call it up via voice

  right but Apple in my case since I'm an

  iTunes Match described Apple has all of

  my music in the cloud and it knows it

  belongs to me but I'm pretty sure the

  home pod has no idea that I'm talking to

  it like that that feature is only

  reasonable you're in the services

  division that's that's the world of

  walls and silos that's like your app

  your iTunes Match silo is over there

  rotting in the corner with really big

  thick walls nobody can get into so they

  built this new silo over here if we wrap

  the music and other stuff and God knows

  what's gonna be next and it's you know

  don't expect any of this stuff to talk

  to each other yeah so but you know we

  don't know what all the limitations are

  but it seems like there's a lot of them

  but I still keep coming back to if they

  got the hardware right and of all all

  the speakers and the microphones are all

  great there's no reason they can't knock

  down these limitations one by one and

  eventually have a competitive product

  and I keep comparing it to Apple TV

  because they didn't have the choice of

  the Apple TV they got the hardware so

  wrong in the beginning it took them a

  long time to get it right and now I feel

  like they're finally at the you know the

  the fat part of the curve or the Apple

  TV where they gonna start knocking down

  the software features and you know

  becoming competitive yes they're premium

  price but now they have some you know 4k

  support they have you know features that

  video files care about like the

  framerate matching they have an

  application ecosystem you know they're

  they're improving in that area and

  there's this home pod like best-case

  scenario it launches it sounds really

  good but it's super limited and not a

  lot of people buy it and then over the

  course of the next year all they do is

  make the software better and you know

  it's it might take a while like how long

  did it take you know Google home just I

  think the last year or so got the

  feature where it understands that there

  are different people talking to it and

  it can understand who that person is

  hopefully we won't date but I take Apple

  as long as it's a Google to do that but

  I see I see potential as long as the

  hardware is right but all that said I'm

  not running out to buy this Hardware

  only Casey is

  you know a lot of people are gonna wait

  until they have the complete story and

  not just buy it based on the promise as

  they should so I've been thinking about

  this a little bit over the last couple

  of days since this news is broken and I

  am NOT ordering a home pod immediately I

  will probably knowing the order one not

  too long after immediately because the

  FOMO will get to me but I think the

  thing that appeals to me in principle is

  that I do trust Apple to make really

  clever in good choices with regard to

  audio fidelity and although I am

  perfectly happy listening to music or

  podcasts on speakers that are truly and

  utterly terrible that doesn't mean I

  don't also appreciate some really really

  great speakers as well and the what I

  have in our home theater is not great it

  is sufficient I don't even know what it

  is it was like a Denon Dean on whatever

  it's called like home theater in a box

  from probably 10 plus years ago

  it is sufficient but I have no doubt

  that one or particularly a pair of home

  pods would be considerably better

  sounding and that would be appealing to

  me but knowing that I won't be able to

  play Spotify easily without airplane to

  Marco's point knowing I won't be able to

  say hey dingus can you play me

  such-and-such song by such-and-such

  artist without being an apple music

  subscriber which I'm not like all of

  these things make it not terribly

  appealing and I don't also I don't have

  anything connected to homekit right now

  I have several devices that I could

  connect to homekit via $50 bridges but I

  have nothing that's natively connecting

  to home kid at the moment so I have a

  few you're missing nothing okay fair


  I don't really sitting here now and this

  is when we'll play this back you know

  mark will do that to Lulu in like three

  weeks when I say I just bought one but

  sitting here now I don't really see I

  don't really see any draw other than

  just getting a really great set of

  speakers and that does that definitely

  you know intrigues me and it's

  definitely interesting but I have a div

  sufficient set of speakers that's zero

  dollars because we bought them ten years

  ago I think they were a gift but anyways


  we already have them I don't know that

  one $350 speaker is going to sound


  the it's enough better to justify it

  then our quote unquote free speakers

  that we have now so I'm curious to see

  what people like real-world people say

  after these are in the wild but I don't

  know I think the reviews would have to

  be pretty stellar for me to start saying

  oh wow I really screwed up on this one

  as with every other Apple product I need

  one let me reiterate one last time do

  not connect this to your television it

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  we have some news as I've been alluding

  to you for a while for iOS eleven point

  three so in a slightly surprising move

  Apple has made a kind of sort of PR site

  it's actually just a news article but

  it's almost like a mini site about iOS

  eleven point three so the headline is

  major updates they are kit messages and

  more coming this spring and they start

  off by telling us we're getting a lion

  an emoji they're getting we're getting a

  dragon we're getting a skull and I

  thought there was one other dragon an

  emoji this is my problem of not knowing

  what the plural of an emoji including

  new an emoji does that mean more than

  one for new iOS eleven point three

  includes four new an emoji giving iOS or

  excuse me iPhone ten users the ability

  to express themselves as a lion bear

  dragon or skull oh I see it later than

  later section at the line is up top I

  see okay yeah that's the most important

  new feature as far as I'm aware most

  people I know you're probably snarking

  and the thing is I actually really do

  still like an emoji but that being said

  I haven't sent or received an an emoji

  in like a month or two it's not like

  knowing that they exist yeah yeah

  they're cute they're cute and they're

  little an emoji drawer they're waiting

  for me if I need them no I I don't know

  I was thinking about it even before this

  announcement that I really do think it's

  cute and clever but I I don't often find

  myself in a position that a it's not

  socially awkward to create and send one

  and be that I even think to do it in the

  first place I really do think it's a

  good idea I don't fault them for the

  idea and I like that they're adding more

  an emoji and in fact I think I tweeted a

  while back that it would be cool if they

  had like seasonal ones like you could

  only do Santa when it's Christmastime or

  something along those lines but it goes

  back on the Disney Vault you're a

  terrible person yeah seriously no I mean

  I hate the Disney Vault but it I do

  think it would be kind of cool

  but anyways I'm not using an emoji in

  that kind of it's a little bit so maybe

  it's a new audience for your analogy he

  does get a kick out of them actually

  just the other day he asked me he asked

  me if I could show him the video of the

  Fox singing which is I think the

  Bohemian rad Bohemian Rhapsody video

  that had come out like one of the first

  karaoke ones he really likes watching

  and so he had had me pull that up on

  YouTube just a day or two ago but anyway

  also new and 11.3 a our kit which

  apparently is now understanding what a

  vertical surfaces which no snark I guess

  is a big deal I don't really use a our

  kit for anything that's actually like no

  being able to recognize vertical

  surfaces in addition to horizontal and

  having some other improvements in the

  kind of surfaces they can recognize and

  how it just it broadens the applications

  of it basically like before it's like

  alright finds find a big flat table or

  if the floor or something and then you

  can do this cool thing and now you can

  do cool things with walls and other like

  so it just it broadens the possible

  applications you can make and it

  improves existing excuse me applications

  or it gives them the chance to be

  improved and there's other improvements

  to a our kit too but I'm not really

  qualified to recognize what's good about

  them but it's it's significantly

  improved but the main I think the main

  story around a our kid is that our kit

  was their first try at this and it was

  pretty impressive out of the gate like

  we all tried and it worked I think

  better than most of us had any right to

  expect especially if you have tried any

  of the previous sort of academic type

  things and seeing what they can do this

  was a commercial product they ran on

  everybody's phones that work

  surprisingly well and it hasn't been

  that long and they've significantly

  enhanced it so I feel like the AR kid

  team is doing well there their initial

  release was good and they're not waiting

  then unable waiting does Nebuta receive

  for new features like this because like

  Margot said I think Wallis's is a

  significant new feature and there have

  been like applications unlike perhaps an

  emoji which maybe people get bored by

  the the applications that you would

  think you could build with a our kit

  like a thing to try furniture in your

  room like IKEA has an app like that and

  guess what it does what they say it does

  surprisingly well for a thing that just

  runs on your phone doesn't require this

  crazy rig with five cameras slapped

  together by some PhD student so I'm very

  impressed with a our kit and

  and Presta they keep getting better all

  right what else is in this messages

  thing messages and iCloud is back yeah

  this is connected yeah that very

  unexpected but very welcome assuming

  that it works I haven't tried it yet

  have you guys know is it actually in

  this beta is the the some things aren't

  in this video is in the beta batteries

  yeah the the messages and I thought I

  think I know it's prompting people to

  enable it so I think it is in the beta

  but it's like for me personally I'm not

  gonna have much use for this until it

  also works with my Mac you know it's

  like that's that that's the big question

  work for me and and also like if there's

  any hint that it doesn't quite work it

  that it isn't fully baked yet then I

  might be afraid to turn it on for a

  little while but they did take so long

  to do it that I I'm confident that they

  were probably really conservative about

  this because it's so important to get

  that right so it's probably gonna work

  fine yeah but but word of warning to

  everybody like when you're running beta

  software like this is the reason I have

  a whole set of other Apple IDs that are

  not my Apple IDs for when I was doing

  Mac OS 10 reviews when you're running

  betas and there's some feature that has

  cloud integration that especially if it

  wants to like take some existing set of

  data and like bring it to the cloud or

  I've heard it from one cloud back-end to

  another their betas like they're not

  done they might have bugs but that's

  your non beta data right like that's

  your real so if you don't want your non

  beta data to be potentially hosed and

  you can't restore that like like if

  something goes wrong with the phone you

  can restore the phone back to an old

  version you can't restore your data in

  the ini cloud back to an old version yes

  but especially gets scrambled or deleted

  or hosed in some way so be very careful

  and it like you know you're probably

  excited like oh I want to try out this

  new feature or whatever but beta is not

  done and yes I said whenever I would

  test beta asses and do reviews whole

  separate world of data which it was free

  to completely hosed and sometimes it did

  and sometimes I have to wipe all I did

  and re-enter a bunch of fake data for it

  or whatever

  so beware but anyway it looks like that

  feature is back after basically entirely

  disappearing from their website and now

  it's back and like Marco it really

  doesn't fulfill its promise for me until

  it has a Mac equivalent which I'm

  assuming it will eventually but I'm I'm

  glad it's not waiting until iOS 12 foot

  it that way

  what is this really but what does it buy

  me there's messages in the cloud because

  I still sort of get everything coming in

  of kind of obnoxiously you know what I

  mean like when I start a mag you're

  you're a lucky person yeah I mean so so

  basically what it buys you is it should

  in theory first of all it should fix a

  lot of the inconsistencies people see

  like so it's syncing the messages with

  iCloud rather than rather than depending

  on this crazy like you know key

  generation sharing thing between

  different computers and like the way it

  works security wise is is really

  complicated and pretty impressive but

  unfortunately creates a lot of bugs and

  practice that cause people to have

  things like messages appearing on all

  but one device or messages appearing in

  different orders and different devices

  and things like that

  this should if if done correctly and if

  done well this should make your messages

  the same on all your devices and it also

  brings additional benefits of things

  like if you set up a brand new Mac from

  scratch for instance and you log into to

  iMessage you don't get all the old

  messages also if you delete a

  conversation somewhere like if you get

  spam and you delete it in one place it

  doesn't get deleted on all the other

  devices it like you have to delete

  delete delete conversations in every

  place separately so like there's there's

  a lot of big and small benefits to this

  if it works correctly and completely

  that is a big if but if they can pull it

  off the benefits are pretty big yeah

  like well I think of this is aligning

  messages with the mental model I've

  always ended I had in my head about

  messages that there's one conversation

  that participate in from different

  devices but it's always one conversation

  right in the same way that our show

  notes document it's one show notes

  document I can edit it on my phone I can

  edit on my iPad I can edit on my Mac at

  work I can

  I can home and you guys can all do the

  same from whatever devices you have but

  wherever I go the document looks like a

  document that's how I my mental model of

  iMessage conversations I'm conversing

  with the person and no matter where I

  converse with them the conversation is

  the conversation so it's jarring to me

  they would be jarring to me like the new

  Mac setup to set up a new Mac and not

  see that conversation at all or could go

  to my Mac at work and not see a bunch of

  messages that I had sent previously on

  my phone because my Mac was asleep

  during that time and they didn't

  propagate or whatever now people who

  don't have these problems and

  everything's in sync if you limit the

  number of places you converse and and or

  if you're mess if your devices are

  always online at the same time to accept

  the propagations and all the

  propagations work then maybe you won't

  notice that but I think that's the

  mental model most people have that it is

  that it is a conversation and it's the

  same conversation everywhere so that's

  the promise of this one one more feature

  by the way that Apple touts is actually

  the first bullet point in their little

  screen is free up space on your iPhone

  by keeping photos and other attachments

  in iCloud which right now like you'd be

  surprised at how much space your

  messages thing takes up if you go to

  this you know because people send you

  videos and they send you photos and you

  don't want to delete things who's there

  Cubans maybe something sometimes you

  save them to your photo library or

  whatever and one of the prompts for the

  Iowa storage screen is like hey if you

  want to save up some space you can

  delete some all messages would be like I

  don't want to delete all that stuff well

  now apparently it will take the big

  attachments and put them in iCloud and I

  guess only when you scroll back to them

  will it download them on demand or

  something so anything's it frees up

  space on our phone by using cloud

  storage that were already paying for

  it's good so that's another potential

  advantage that doesn't speak to the the

  mental model but it's good that's a huge

  advantage in practice lots of people

  have like massive you know multi gig

  message multi gig messages that are just

  sitting there taking up space in their

  phone that they don't want to delete the

  the upside of this is great you'll have

  this option iCloud to store this things

  in to free up space in your phone so you

  won't be always running out of space the

  downside is Apple's still pretty stingy

  with iCloud stores oh you're gonna need

  one of the paid plans and and possibly

  even one of the larger plans so that

  that is going to make this hurt for a

  lot of people but I I think at this


  if you want a good experience using

  Apple devices you're gonna have to just

  factor in the price of a you know small

  to mid-size iCloud storage plan at least

  like it just as when you're deciding

  whether to whether to have an iPhone you

  just plan for this because in reality

  you're going to need something beyond

  the free you know five megabytes of

  space they give you and I I'm that was a

  joke not a measure and bring the unit it

  feels like five megabytes right it does

  right like it might as well be it might

  as well be five kilobytes like that like

  in in this day and age with the amount

  of stuff that's stored in iCloud that's

  that is kind of insulting but it's at

  this point I'm also I've given up on

  like trying to like wish and hope that

  Apple's gonna raise the free limit on

  iCloud and make the plans all bigger and

  super price competitive like no they're

  not going to they they're making a ton

  of money the way it is now they're not

  gonna change that

  so oh well that you've acted in as the

  cost of having these devices that if

  you're going to have this and you want

  the full experience of having the luxury

  of iCloud doing all these things for you

  and doing backups and everything else

  you're gonna have to pay for an iCloud

  plan and that's just part of it and by

  the way the one of my tips for general

  happiness of using iOS things is like

  this is a problem a lot of people have

  like I'm not paying for iCloud storage

  which I understand it's expensive as

  Marco said it's not as competitive as it

  should be and they should give you more

  and it should be cheaper but in the

  grand scheme of things it doesn't cost

  that much money to get more storage and

  it will like the the amount of the

  amount of improvement to your computing

  life that you will get for $10 a month

  of actually just paying for our cloud

  storage it's well worth the $10 a month

  right well as far as I'm concerned well

  worth it because I hate having to deal

  with storage problems and running out of

  room and trying to manage things and

  like you know especially for things like

  photos if you used the photos in the

  cloud feature you're not going to delete

  your photos but are you gonna do when

  you're in a storage you're just gonna

  you know complain and grind your teeth

  it's like just just pay for the storage

  I know it's bad and with the family plan

  by the way though you can pay for

  storage for your whole family if you

  have a family and they all have devices

  the family plan is another good way to

  not have to have stupid individual bills

  for like your kids iCloud backup and

  your other kids iCloud backup and your

  spouse's iCloud

  now you can do one bill and that will

  further encourage you to get the big

  plan for the whole family

  and yes it cost money but ten dollars a

  month for someone who can afford Apple

  devices is not that much it will really

  improve your life and it's I think it's

  mostly a mental barrier like you know

  people just don't want to pay for it in

  the same way they don't want to pay for

  applications but overcome that hurdle

  yeah I would put it this way you know

  for like people who do tech support for

  their families just just by your parents

  like don't tell them you're doing it but

  just by them pay them the $10 a month

  secretly pay for their storage plan like

  that is another great investment of your

  money the amount of aggravation you have

  doing tech support and your parents if

  you just secretly pay for the one

  terabyte storage plan and put and put

  them in a family with together and pay

  for their storage plan enable iCloud

  backup on all their devices just don't

  even tell them just pay for it all just

  do it yourself you will improve

  everybody's life oh yeah yeah like

  because we always advise people doing

  that on their parents computers to

  install like Backblaze or your cloud

  backup of choice and just pay for just

  yeah just pay just do it for them pay

  for it because you know you as like the

  the young adult probably don't care the

  old people won't pay for it and yeah and

  so it's like they need this you know

  that they don't

  so you just pay for it so on computers

  that's Backblaze on their phones and


  it's iCloud storage yeah your your

  parents who have retired on their

  astronomical pensions that they only

  exist for generation after who are

  taking vacations to Hawaii and living in

  luxury and buying fancy cars will never

  pay $10 a month what am I getting for

  that money I have to pay for storage no

  thanks I don't need backups it doesn't

  make sense but that's that's the mindset

  so you know since you're the one doing

  tech support just just pay for their pay

  for that $10 a month they carried you

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  what else in 11 three iBooks is no more

  it's just plain books it's not no more

  yeah they just renamed it I mean this is

  the most substantial iBooks update in

  years I think we did something recently

  I know the updated iBooks Author I think

  recently but uh yeah iBooks was the

  second thing to get the iBook named

  after the old computer and now it's got

  its eyes stripped away joining what is

  it joining

  music what are the other generic ones

  well numbers I guess maybe pages the

  generically named applications now it's

  just called books and as Jason Snell

  said on Twitter I wonder if there's some

  other hardware product Apple could use

  the iBook name for what he's referring

  to of course is iOS laptops which we

  talked about last show and yeah that

  would be a good use and it would be like

  the iBook name coming back home to a

  laptop form factor but not a Mac so

  we'll say I think that would be cool

  that I don't I don't know how likely

  that is but that that would be a really

  cool fun reason for this I think it

  might be confusing because it seems like

  iBook is still kind of in living memory

  so to speak of the potential consumers

  and like to have someone who previously

  owned an iBook buy a new look and have

  it not be a Mac it might be strange but

  anyway is it this this changes

  completely explicable by Apple's Drive

  to name all of its products like Marco's

  products like the magazine no one

  product I named that way one I know it

  seems so significant I can't think of a

  good numbers pages music books movie

  tunes iMovie is interesting because you

  can't just rip off the eye because

  that's just called movie yeah all right

  so what's going on in Mac OS 10 dot 13.4

  probably a bunch of stuff but the only

  thing that poked out at me is the the

  long foreshadowed end of 32-bit we're

  just not happening in ten thirteen four

  but the foreshadowing continues

  preparing for the end of 32-bit as

  Apple says I think this isn't a release

  notes to prepare for future release of

  Mac OS and which 32-bit software will no

  longer run without compromise well no

  longer run you know not belong wrong

  without compromises

  well no long run without compromise

  starting a mac OS I see are ten thirteen

  for a user is notified at the launch of

  an app that depends on thirty bit

  software the alert

  is only once per app so this is kind of

  like I'm look good does an iOS to like

  for a while

  32-bit applications would pop up a

  dialog that says this may slow down your

  phone or is not optimized or had some

  message like that yeah yeah that would

  translate to if you knew what it was

  talking about this is 32-bit up and then

  eventually on iOS like yeah no those

  aren't going to launch anymore this this

  application needs to be updated for a

  blah blah blah right so the fun thing

  about 10 13 4 is that if you're a

  developer you can reboot your Mac with

  the Buddha or - no 32 exec and it will

  stop all 32-bit processes from launching

  right so then you can try to use your

  app like you think your app is clean and

  it's the 64-bit clean that doesn't

  require any 32-bit frameworks doesn't

  invoke any 32-bit commands doesn't do

  anything 32-bit fine reboot your Mac in

  this developer mode that will forbid any

  32-bit stuff from running and you'll see

  if it's broken of course this is a

  developer mode for people who are

  developing applications users should not

  do this because half the stuff that you

  use from day-to-day will probably be

  broken including including parts of the

  OS or other things that you know are

  command-line programs that have 32-bit

  parts or you know lots doesn't put it

  this way I bet there is a surprising

  amount of 32-bit software lurking in

  everybody's Mac at this point but this

  is the only way you get to a 64-bit

  clean world Apple doesn't say what

  future version of Mac OS the where

  32-bit software would no longer run and

  it also doesn't explain what compromise

  they're talking about because if they

  had just said will no longer run I'd be

  like oh that's just what happened to my

  I was 32-bit stuff no longer runs fair

  enough right but compromise makes me

  think there's going to be some kind of

  way to still run 32-bit stuff just

  because it seems like Apple doesn't have

  as much faith in the Apple developer or

  the Mac developer community to bring

  everything to 64-bit like there's just

  not enough of them and they're just not

  motivated enough to bring everything so

  there will always be this really long

  tail of stragglers where in iOS they're

  like look we're going 64-bit if you

  don't care enough about your app support

  it fine there's a thousand other apps

  it'll take your place we don't care but

  on the Mac I don't know if that's the

  case so I'm very interested to see what

  the compromise is and how they managed

  to run 32-bit stuff in an OS that more

  or less doesn't support they could use

  some kind of

  think some kind of weird hypervisor

  thing who knows but you know my guess is

  it's the it's 10:14 we'll find out the

  answer to that question to go back a

  step I forgot to mention that a health

  records is also new in 11 3 I think that

  completely slipped my mind and it's not

  clear how that works like I see this

  yeah that seems cool but how does