The Accidental Tech Podcast

257: Smell the Wind


  we this and almost nothing else image

  capture says oh I can't do that because

  of air 9 negative nine thousand nine

  hundred seventeen and I was like wolf

  crap at this point I'm basically using

  Windows already that's a useful error

  message negative nine nine thousand

  seven system is negative number errors

  right it's probably an OS status that's

  that's uh that's that's deep Mac flavor

  negative number and in a dialog error

  dialog all I'm saying is it was a

  completely non actionable error and I

  could not find anything useful on the

  internet about what to do about it and I

  don't know if the issue was that

  something on my iPhone is corrupted and

  the issue is iOS software is kind of

  broken or at least for me anyway I don't

  know if it was something that was wrong

  with my Mac I tried two different Mac's

  had different but similar problems

  across both it's just things like what

  roommates I can tell you what the

  problem was you were doing something

  that Apple does not give that they could

  not possibly give less efficient about

  you were connecting an iPad or you can

  se an iPhone to your Mac with a cable

  and then you were launching an old

  program from the Mac OS utilities folder

  to try to take data off of your iPhone

  over a wire Apple could not give less

  efficient about that so it's never

  tested and I think you're probably right

  and that's just really too bad right and

  maybe the problem is this gets me maybe

  the problem is Kaycee again and that

  maybe I just need to accept iCloud photo

  library but for reasons that are not

  interesting and that I don't care to

  explain I'm not all in on iCloud photo

  library and because it in the past it

  was always fine because I would just I

  would have to remember to pull things

  off my phone but no big deal that it

  worked every time a hundred percent of

  the time it worked every time

  now sixty percent of the time it works

  every time that's also a reference John

  so anyway though it's just it I found

  myself and I think I made the same

  speech again like six months ago I found

  myself just more and more annoyed that

  things that used to reliably work don't

  work anymore

  and it was such whiplash because in the

  in in the same you know day or two

  window I've just head over heels fallen

  in love with this with this MacBook

  adorable and thoughts myself you know

  what even though I'm not the kind of

  person to buy computers hourly like

  Marco I I will probably get a new

  adorable whenever it's refreshed because

  I want more of this adorable

  I want more speed I want more ports and

  if they don't give me more ports that's

  fine but if they give me more speed

  that's great the adorable fans have to

  buy every one because each one is barely

  usable so any improvements like oh my

  god please it's not that bad I

  understand your point I understand your

  point so I go from like just being

  overjoyed by this adorable and generally

  speaking I'm pretty overjoyed with my

  iPhone 10 and then I just see these

  software issues that are just depressing

  and in disheartening it's pressing may

  not be the right word but just just just

  heartening and it makes me just feel

  like it's like that throw your hands in

  the air like and don't wave them like

  you don't care cuz you do care you just

  throw your hands in the air and then

  plop them down on the desk you just like

  well now what now what do I do cuz I'm

  just screwed I mean where am I gonna go

  and it's a rhetorical question and I

  don't think we need to answer it but

  it's just frustrating because it used to

  be this was my happy place and maybe

  maybe the problem is that said I'm

  clinging to the Mac and the Mac is dead

  again we don't need to go there we spent

  so much time there it's not even worth

  it plus I don't want to give Federico

  and Mike the the pleasure but one way or

  another it's I don't know where the

  issue is if it's me if it's the Mac if

  it's Apple if it's software it's

  hardware it is in this case like you're

  just sending your photos workflow is a

  little bit old right and so I'm not like

  Marco said you are exercising code paths

  that are not popular anymore with most

  other people so they're gonna be

  abandoned not tested as much so you're

  keeping your habits hey I use image

  capture this is how I do my photos is

  just the way I like to do it and time

  marches on and everyone else has

  different photo workflows they do not

  exercise this code path at all it's kind

  of like if you you know I I manually

  arrange my music I don't want to use

  iTunes so I manually arrange it and I

  play the stuff manually from the finder

  where it's like you can keep doing that

  for a long time but once everyone starts

  using iTunes it's hard to swim against

  that tide no like

  now they sell music and I'm forced to

  use iTunes is the only way I can buy

  music because I can play the Fairplay

  beer and both like how long can you keep

  doing it

  the one old way that you did it you keep

  doing it the one all the way forever

  if you never update anything else about

  your computing life right and but you

  know it's it's hard to hold on to that

  so it's like you know you're using

  third-party software that fewer and

  fewer people are using for the tasks

  you're using it for

  and you're asking more and more of it

  because you're taking more bigger more

  complicated pictures in different

  formats alright so this it's not you

  know I'm not saying you're doing

  anything particularly wrong but it's

  it's explicable right and I think

  there's it's inevitable in situations

  where you're like that we don't have

  computer habits that are like that we're

  like I'm just gonna keep doing it this

  way until I can't do it anymore I think

  you may be approaching the until you

  can't do it anymore

  think because unless you're gonna write

  the Mac app yourself to handle this

  which you were just entertaining the

  idea of doing probably there's not a big

  market for other people to write Mac

  applications to support these kind of

  workflows so as I think we have all done

  at various points there comes a time

  where you say I will give in and try

  whatever everyone else is doing try the

  you know iCloud photo library try Google

  photos try get back on the code path

  that is being actively developed that

  has lots of people using and that if it

  breaks spectacularly at least you'll be

  suffering along with millions of other

  people who will cause the thing to be

  fixed whereas here you are just

  screaming to the void about a very high

  number negative error code from from

  image capture and by the way I put a

  link in in our notes for the good old

  days of negative numbers and error

  messages from the Mac when most of them

  were singular double digits before we

  got into negative nine thousand four

  hundred and seventy-eight we had good

  old negative 27 and it was like a good

  friend and then you'd have to turn your

  computer off and back on again no memory

  protection so I agree with everything

  you said but with one small correction I

  the the pieces of this workflow that are

  falling down right now that that I was

  complaining or that I'm without I was

  complaining about a moment ago that was

  all first party you had said third party

  maybe that was accidental but this is

  image capture which is first party using

  then it was like Marco said it's

  something you dig in something that I've

  liked is that in utilities folder but

  anyway yes it is first party there's

  lots of applications

  that come with the Mac that haven't been

  touched in forever or end that if they

  stop working who's gonna notice like

  when's the last time you launch the

  chest application as I still work are

  there bugs in the chest application I

  don't know also like the conditions that

  it's like this is operating in are

  changing like now that iCloud photo

  library is on phones and that photo

  management is kind of automatic and

  managed you know on on the device the

  interface to interface capture like

  exposing the DCIM folder and exposing

  photos like like you know through a

  virtual file system on the phone that

  the computer can just copy off of like I

  think that's all simulated at this point

  or something

  it's it's different it's all weird now

  because iCloud photo library messes with

  what photos are actually on the phone

  and what control you have over that and

  like if things try to access them weird

  things might happen so like it's

  probably running into something is

  different now with that versus with

  maybe the you know the HCI C and he you

  know change over and not to mention the

  High Sierra appears that nothing has

  been tested at all in the entire OS ever

  so like you know it's the combination of

  all these things like you have one of

  those one of those things is going to

  make your incredibly low priority use

  case not work but this is like you know

  this is not an excuse this is probably

  just the reason ultimately this is like

  I I totally share I think your your

  disappointment here it's like clearly

  you know both the hardware and the

  software on the Mac we're really being

  elected for a few few bad years there it

  seems like they have righted or are

  riding the ship on the hardware side but

  the software side I don't see any sign

  of that and that's so like we're just

  gonna keep having more and more

  embarrassing disheartening OS releases

  where it seems like more gets broken

  then gets fixed that's my concern and I

  hope that doesn't come past but so far

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  it's it's it's literally it is a gift

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  a skating right if we're talking about

  the Mac Pro I'm hanging up we're not

  that's first of all part one of the gift

  is we're not talking with the Mac Pro

  all right fair enough all right starting

  with the ask a teepee Eric Berlin writes

  do you expect the release of the iMac

  Pro will slow the update cadence of the

  non Pro iMac for example would Apple

  hold back a 6 core coffee like iMac


  in 2018 because it would outperform the

  eight core Zeon W configuration in the

  current Mac Pro it's an interesting

  question I would think that it would not

  slow things down because they're they're

  serving different purposes and me okay

  maybe single core is way better on the

  non pro iMac but presumably multi-core

  will always be way way way way way

  better on the iMac Pro so I don't think

  this would be the case but I am not

  terribly confident in my guess here

  Marco terribly confident I

  yeah to me it's no question the iMac Pro

  was like they're not going to hold back

  new releases of the regular iMac that

  outpace or come close to the iMac pros

  performance in certain ways due to the

  progress of the consumer CPUs versus the

  progress of the Zeon's I know that I

  really have them yeah I know this

  because not only is the current iMac

  faster in single core but most of the

  microcut it will always be almost yeah

  but also there I did it once the 2013

  Mac Pro cylinder that came out was

  bested seven months later or eight

  months later when the iMac 5k came out

  and those processors were faster than in

  single core so they've already done this

  in the past it is currently the case

  they don't let that control them at all

  Apple is confident enough and neglectful

  enough of the Mac Pro but they it's a

  combination of like you know they know

  that like I'm Mac Pro buyers are not

  going to not buy the iMac fro in

  meaningful numbers because the newest

  iMac is now slightly faster in single

  threaded tasks that's that's not a major

  factor for most Pro buyers also I don't

  think Apple would care and also they you

  know that they're not they would never

  hold back the release plans of consumer

  lines in order to favor a Mac Pro lie he

  told care about the Mac Pro to do that

  but it's at the time yeah and if they

  had to wait on Xeon timelines they would

  never update anything it would be

  ridiculous like part of this is Intel

  but like but but honestly it's like it

  the single core differences like it's

  good for bragging right in benchmarks

  you're a few percentage faster but the

  multi-core difference when you have 18

  cores for a good parallel thing is

  you're you know you're many times faster

  so it's the difference of like minor

  percentages and bragging rights versus a

  fundamental change in your workflow of

  like if I can do this three times faster

  that's why you buy a pro Mac if you know

  and if you want fastest single core

  performance Apple sells you one of those

  like if that's what you want like for

  you know you have some tasks that is you

  can't make multi-threaded and you want

  the absolute fastest machine you can do


  Apple will sell you one but it's gonna

  make a change in your life that is in

  like single or double digit percentages

  it's not going to be like 500 percent

  faster like it might be if you go from a

  you know a low core count on a low-end

  iMac to 18 cores on the top-end

  iMac Pro so I honestly I don't think I

  don't think they really compete with

  each other now it could be argued that

  you know for the people who just want

  everything all the time which you know

  we've been so conditioned to expects a

  little but I ask you this but yeah you

  can take one of those Intel CPUs that

  has the fastest single core performance

  and wedge it into an iMac Pro if they

  make one of those that supports ECC Ram

  like the eye nine or whatever or

  something like that like you could say

  why why won't Apple sell me an iMac Pro

  with a low core count that is just as

  fast as the iMac 5k yeah you know like I

  don't think again I don't think there's

  a demand for that like if you want that

  buy 5k iMac because you know it's not

  it's not appreciably different right

  you're not getting the big multi-core

  performance the reason it's so fast in

  single core is because well it's that

  it's not busy online so it's revved more

  and because you can go faster where you

  don't have so many damn cores shoved

  inside there so it's a long way of

  answering Eric's question to say they

  won't hold it back don't worry okay they

  might not ship new iMacs for other

  reasons but believe me it's not because

  they're afraid of stopping on their pro

  max all right Andy Hume writes what are

  John's plans for his cheese grater after

  he replaces it sell it donate it to the

  Hackett collection and I'm going to add

  my guess which is it'll go in your attic

  never to be seen again

  yeah I had a collection before Hackett

  was in short pants Wow giant collection

  of stuff in my attic that's probably

  where it's going room but I have a half

  of mine to answer this literally because

  I actually do have plans for and

  collections of actual cheese graders

  because oXXO makes it actually used to

  make a cheese grater for that I used to

  grate cheese it was the one hard cheese

  grater that I found like very satisfying

  and they stopped the making it so much

  they stopped making it because it had

  like a design flaw like it had had this

  flappy plastic part of it that would

  eventually crack so I kind of understand

  why they stopped making it because you

  know it would last like a couple of

  years and then that thing would crack so

  it's like oh you know we need to go back

  to the drawing board because yeah this

  thing is great but eventually it cracks

  and the one they replaced it with is

  terrible it is ergonomically bad you

  don't get as much mechanical advantage

  when you no pressing the cheese against

  the the grating part that turns or

  whatever I continue to wish and hope for

  and have many times thought about trying

  to tinker my way into a electric powered

  one of these because it is difficult to

  do and tiring kind of tedious if you use

  as much Parmesan cheese as I do to

  constantly have to be grading it by hand

  you can't really use a food processor or

  any other things for a variety of other

  reasons you kind of need something it's

  slow high torque anyway I've thought

  about it a little bit but in the

  meantime these Oxford cheeseburgers they

  don't make anymore

  I think either I or my wife for some

  combination like we waited too long we

  realized we went to like buy a new one

  after one of ours cracked mic we can't

  find it anymore what happened to when

  you found it it was discontinued and we

  tried a bunch of other ones and they all

  suck and it was like we need to there's

  no we need to just find every one of

  these things it's still for sale so I

  have like a collection of three of them

  I think in the basement my current one

  is slowly cracking upstairs in my

  kitchen right now and when I go through

  those three like I don't know what I'm

  gonna do it may be at that point it's

  time for me to build my electric powered

  one but anyway my plans for my cheese

  graters are grim like I don't know what

  I'm gonna do after I go through all

  three of them but my friends alone


  it will go into my attic alongside its

  brethren surely it will because this is

  one of my champion max of all times it

  will go it will have a place of honor

  next to my ac30 Wow I never in a million

  years did I think that that was where

  this was this question was going to end

  up and I this is one of the reasons I

  love this show so damn much because

  that's where we ended up alrighty and

  finally in our diversion into a skate EP

  that's going to make us happy again Kurt

  asks hey remember messages in iCloud


  is this question like what's the quit

  yeah honestly I almost forgot about it

  but like yeah there's there's no look

  there's no news here if they announced

  it it isn't here you know it it probably

  got delayed until the next OS release oh

  well I wanted actually is a topic in the

  list for a long time and it kept getting

  pushed down and I want to say to this

  question yeah I remember it looking

  forward to it every time I go to

  messages and I see a different

  collection of messages and a different

  conversation contents on my Mac and on

  my phone that are like sitting two feet

  from each other I think why why does

  this have to be this way so I really

  hope fine if it's not done like by all

  means like wait until it's done right

  but I really really hope that this

  feature appears eventually yeah me too

  it mean there's a reason why I got like

  a noticeable applause during the keynote

  where it was announced last summer but

  you know yeah it's it's a kind of thing

  like if look if it's not done don't ship

  it if it's unreliable or if it's broken

  like the system we have now is already

  and reliable in Birken we don't need to

  be broken in new ways like let's wait

  until it works right and then ship it

  and then you know I'd rather have it you

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  now the show is over they didn't even

  mean to begin because it was accidental

  oh it was accidental Johnny research

  Marco and Casey wouldn't let him because

  it was accidental it was accidental you

  can find the show notes at a CAS pyl ISS

  so that's Casey list and a are Co AR m

  and T Marco Arment

  si R ACC Syracuse

  so Casey I have a gift for you okay I

  was I was wondering where whether to

  keep this secret how long to keep the

  secret but at some point the secret is

  going to fall out so I figured I might

  as well come clean with you now oh my

  god I think he fired you somehow I got

  you fired from your job that's his gift

  that's it yeah yeah I really know as you

  to your boss say well filled with full

  of profanity that would be for me so it

  doesn't make sense yeah actually yes so

  my gift to you is revealing the secret

  Tiff's got me a vinyl player for

  Christmas look at the box they're

  definitely not called vinyl players this

  is the best moment of my life right now

  yeah you could use a gift after after

  your probably sleepless week all right

  so can you can you uh can you give me

  context for this like is she buying it

  for you as a joke is it something that

  you mentioned you want is it something

  that she wanted and is passing it off as

  a gift to you but really she wants it is

  this her bowling ball so we've had the

  hello Internet episode of vinyl sitting

  on like two years or however long it's

  been since it came out

  does she know she can make a player out

  of a cone of paper and a needle did not

  know that actually I guess that makes

  sense yeah yeah anyway so we got she got

  me a turntable so that we could play the

  hello internet vinyl and I have a

  turntable and I have that that

  particular record the spoilers not at a

  time not even either I've had it for

  forever and I still haven't had a chance

  to play it so I'm right there with you

  but that's awesome so I need to start

  sending you actual good music in the

  snot fish post paste well and she also

  got me a fish album she got me yeah

  a live one in history giveth and taketh


  so so I we've actually so I actually

  decided you know because also over the

  holidays we visited Mike and Adina and

  they had a turntable and they were and

  we we they were playing music on it

  during our entire you know you know meal

  there and it was really nice to just

  kind of be hanging out and to have music

  playing now yeah you can't do that

  without vinyl that's for sure right and

  so it was nice though and so it okay

  let's I'll try this on like you know

  it's it's like trying on a new style of

  hat or something it's like here's

  something that like the hip people are

  doing I don't know if I don't know if

  this is my thing but I'll try it on you

  know and so I tried it on and so I have

  a couple of albums you know and also by

  the way

  boy do I suck at buying vinyl there's a

  lot of albums that are available on

  violently the modern album so you know

  besides like the night you know the ones

  that were originally issued on vinyl

  like in like the 60s and stuff

  but there's a lot of like modern modern

  albums and reissues from like the 90s

  and stuff that have been reissued now

  and vinyl now that now that's like a

  growth business that you can charge

  people twenty five dollars for the same

  album they bought twenty years ago most

  of them that I have found like about

  half of the ones I have found I have

  accidentally bought them where it's like

  they split what was one CD on to two

  records and so each side of each record

  has three or two songs on it followed by

  this giant wide strip of black silence

  in the middle yes so this is like I know

  how to use them you don't remember that

  like you don't remember one of the

  things about CDs being its capacity for

  like how many minutes of audio you can

  have on it and with the compromises

  about the inner and outer tracks like

  that those things were gone like that

  was one of the innovations of CDs oh my

  god I just figured it out yeah cuz the

  air the outer tracks will rotate more so

  they'll have more fidelity oh that's why

  they do it final as the show oh that's

  those ticks all right did you see

  I was trying to think of a way to say it

  without cursing but I just said after

  show yeah so like he so let me tell you

  my annoyance is first then I'll get into

  some things I actually like about it

  yeah like so many like I bought albums

  thinking like oh I love this album it's

  good because you might get my criteria

  is obviously things that I want to play

  like out loud with other people around

  that I wouldn't be embarrassed by the

  whole album has to be good all the way

  through cuz skipping songs is not really

  an easy thing oh it's not bad I

  understand your point but it's not bad

  so anyway and and I had to get a photo

  preamp so I got of course the one from

  shit I forgive that alright this record

  player is just a way for a marker to buy

  more amps and other German boxes with

  vulgar names one box a photo preamp

  because the turntable do not have a

  built-in preamp okay so first of all I'm

  like you know I connect everything up

  and there's like just constant constant

  low-level noise coming out of speaker

  and I'm like well something's wrong warm

  doesn't it yes so it's like I get like I

  got a ground loop isolator I tried that

  tried like a power isolating brick I

  tried like different different cables in

  case the cables were introducing

  interferences everything's analog so

  like everything can use interference and

  in all analog signal path tried lots of

  things isolated lots of things it turns

  out yeah that's just like the noise

  floor of this cartridge or whatever it's

  like there's no like it isn't the ground

  loop it isn't electrical interference

  like it's it's just like yeah just the

  noise floor isn't that isn't that low

  and and definitely the my least favorite

  thing about playing them is how often

  you have to flip it over because each

  side holds I think a maximum of

  something like 22 minutes or 20 minutes

  something like that you know these

  number John no I don't remember from my

  youth but I'm sure I surely do remember

  flipping yeah exactly so you have to

  flip them you know every like four or

  five songs basically unless you have one

  of these stupid audiophile ones that I

  accidentally bought where it's like you

  take one out and split onto four and you

  go about every two songs thanks a lot

  anyway I will say in in this endeavor

  there are things that I

  unexpectedly like about it the best way

  I can the best metaphor I've come up

  with for this is it's kind of like a

  Kindle is for reading like a Kindle does

  not look as good as an iPad or a printed

  page like the the the resolution of the

  text is nowhere near it even on the new

  Kindles with the higher resolution

  screens - no it's nowhere close to

  either print or even Retina screens on

  an iPad pro like a Kindle by all

  accounts looks worse it also does less

  and functions worse in a number of ways

  than other ways to read books but the

  the appeal of Kindles is that they can

  do nothing else so it it kind of helps

  you appreciate the book more that this

  that if you're using this device to read

  books that's all you're doing like

  that's all you you kind of have to put

  some effort into it that's all you're

  doing it's not going to ever do anything

  else it's very simple etc playing music

  on vinyl is a pain in the X but it's a

  way to like deliberately sit down and

  choose to enjoy an album and this works

  especially for me because I'm I've

  always been an album listener even when

  I listen to mp3s and everything I don't

  listen on shuffle to my whole collection

  or anything I don't make playlists I

  listen to albums all the way through

  that's how I've always listened for like

  the last 20 years like that's just how I

  listen to music and I've joked Tift like

  oh we could've just gotten a CD player

  I'm gonna say there are other devices

  music I know I know but I'm saying like

  you know this is a pain in the end and

  it's a novelty and it's you know I don't

  expect to be playing vinyl forever and

  it doesn't sound better it sounds worse

  notes will be worse you know I'm not I'm


  my-my-my making fun of Casey in the past

  on vinyl is that you know I don't mind

  if people say they enjoy it more I do

  mind when people say it sounds better

  because it doesn't and it can't and it

  never will but I do appreciate the

  activity of playing music on vinyl now

  in a way I didn't appreciate before so

  that is my gift to you Casey you need to

  get one of those I don't know if they

  make these but like the best analogy is

  like one of these things you use for

  like pets or animals where like it looks

  like a record player and you put a

  record on it and you put the little

  needle in and you hear the little

  crackle but then what actually happens

  is behind the scenes it plays just you

  know a digital audio file that is

  exactly equivalent to whatever record

  you put on there so you can get the

  audio quality you want with all the

  other stuff that you want from her like

  so you get you get all the ceremony of

  doing it help make the make the digital

  audio file stop and make you flip the

  disc before it plays the next two tracks

  I've actually been scheming like I

  wonder if I could get a Raspberry Pi or


  next to the record player and just put

  an SD card and had like have cheap SD

  cards in the pocket of each vinyl cover

  and just like stick it so you just what

  you just want to do is put a plastic

  disc on something and drop a needle on

  it that's what you want to happen and

  they use music play music doesn't have

  to come from that thing yeah it's anyway

  well so you didn't you didn't adequately

  explain to me I guess it was it was it

  just the the hello intern and that's

  like literally it or just if actually

  was to have actually convinced by the

  the moon hipsters from London that this

  is a thing they have to do you have to

  do to regain your youth and coolness I

  think some of both certainly and you

  know it's a cool thing it's it's a

  really nicely designed object like it's

  a nice like hipster turntable it's like

  this like you know minimal minimal

  visual design thing made of wood like

  it's really nice-looking so I think it's

  a combination of all those things

  well I'm very disappointed in you Marco

  oh yeah you I'm very disappointed in

  Mike Medina but uh you know they're

  young so next year I'll buy I'll buy an

  SI CD player maybe and I'll tell you how

  that goes oh no I would not be I would

  say there you go you know you're on the

  right track you got to get a Nakamichi

  stereo and a super audio CD player and

  what was the other one DVD audio DVD a

  yeah I think that's dead I think si CD I

  mean both formats as well you can get

  like if you get a Sony blu-ray player it

  will it's they're almost all also si CD

  players hmm so you so I could get like a

  Sony 4k blue because I was saying like

  maybe I should have

  okay blu-ray player okay TV now yeah

  exactly so I could all have it you can

  think I think of the ceremony of the

  blu-ray as you wait for a Java to load

  the stupid menus that's all part of the

  ceremony Margot I met it's very I'm very

  yeah I want to be very clear here I

  don't give two craps about the ceremony

  I I appreciate the idea of sitting down

  to deliberately and only listen to music

  like to to just enjoy the music that is

  playing and not have it be part of a

  whole separate like computing experience

  and multimedia device and everything

  like it's it's hard you could just get a

  CD player I'm not convinced you don't

  you don't care about the ceremony I

  don't care about ceremony I'm not

  convinced and and just just give you a

  few more days I'm flipping these discs

  and believe me you know what else you

  can do with records you might remember

  from your youth they shatter real good

  when you have fights with them well it's

  also it's kind of cool to lay first of

  all like the the the services like like

  I've been buying most of them on Amazon

  the ones that are still in print at

  least and it's cool because like they

  include a digital copy if you buy vinyl

  in Amazon it automatically adds that

  album to your music collection that is

  the most millennia lips or thing I've

  ever heard in my life well I'm sure you

  buy a record and it comes yeah yeah cut

  some of the ones I bought have the CD in

  a paper sleeve inside the inside the

  fire like it comes one reason I've never

  seen that yeah I think I think the

  nickel creek when I thought I think has

  that band great great fan I know yeah if

  you if you buy the one with the corn

  song on the elephant the corn the album

  that has that on it it's come to that

  you know how they make like like USB

  thumb drives out of all sorts of things

  and they need to come up with a vinyl

  album that is itself actually an SD card

  like it's an SD card with a huge

  circular grooved handle this is a record

  but it really is a giant SD card yeah so

  anyway yeah it's I again it's I know

  it's ridiculous and it does not sound

  better and it's a bit of a pain in the

  ass but it is kind of fun I also I kind

  of like having the giant album

  art look what this is like the original

  album art that's what you should be

  buying you should just be buying record

  sleeves and putting them on your walls

  art don't listen to them look at them

  that's actually not a bad idea okay look

  at things I used to have I used to have

  long boxes on my wall when the scene I

  liked it as a replacement of like

  because I was kind of disappointed that

  album liked the album art went away it's

  like well I got these long boxes so I

  guess it's all I and then those why

  don't wait to well I for one am happy

  that that you've discovered that

  sometimes I say things that are not

  completely insane turns out I know it's

  weird but it does happen

  well you it wasn't sane when you said it

  sounded better that was definitely

  insane it does not sound well I'm

  excited I applaud Tiff's purchase for

  you I applaud you realizing that

  something I've known for most of my life

  and older people older than us have

  known for their entire lives basically

  that hey it's not so bad and you know

  what in the grand scheme of things as a

  man who likes wristwatches based out of

  1812 I'm not entirely surprised that you

  like an audio playback system that is

  also based from out of 1812 so as time

  goes on and as you get older so does

  your techno do your technical

  technological preferences and so this is

  just the next step in the way you have a

  beard now I mean you just need that

  strand you in the beard I mean you're

  you're really getting clear you need

  flannel and skinny jeans and you'll be

  full hipster yeah man I'm not actually

  skinny though that's the problem does

  that matter

  I'm saying you're trying to recapture

  your youth you're not actually in your

  youth oh that is a good gift though it's

  a press shift god damn it Sean

  a press shift god damn it Sean

  so we should probably catch everyone up

  in case they weren't aware Aaron did in

  fact have our baby early Thursday

  morning so for those of you who may have

  heard the last episode you may recall

  that that was that was recorded Tuesday

  night and I didn't really want to get

  into it during the show but Aaron Aaron

  was actually starting to have

  contractions during the show like it was

  shortly before the show that we looked

  at each other and said oh yeah this is

  probably yet so we we went into the OB

  the following morning Wednesday morning

  and the OB had said Oh she'll definitely

  Aaron will definitely be done by evening

  time and as we got closer and closer to

  the evening time Oh it'll be definitely

  done by midnight and as we got closer

  and closer to midnight Oh it'll be

  definitely done any second now and sure

  enough that a little after 3:00 in the

  morning Aaron blessed our family with a

  little girl whose name is Mikayla

  Charlotte and and we are overjoyed and

  very tired exactly the normal response

  for having a newborn oh and I started to

  say earlier and then I got myself

  sidetracked we did what appears to be

  the inverse of the siracusa family

  approach because our first child was or

  at least my hazy memory of Declan was

  reasonably easy in the grand scheme of

  things like any child is a royal pain in

  the tuchus but nonetheless Declan was

  reasonably easy

  whereas Mikayla is starting out anyway

  considerably more challenging and it may

  just be that my memory which is already

  bad in general has just blocked the new

  baby phase from my mind but hoo boy this

  is something else and if I recall

  correctly John you said that that your

  son was what did you call him I was

  asking Aaron necessarily like a scream a

  pillar or something like that yeah

  there's one of his many delightful names

  he basically screamed for the first

  several months of his life continuously

  yet you somehow decided to have a second

  child which you know like the only thing

  that he kept this weed out was like what

  if the next one is worse like is that

  impossible could be worse like literal

  fire coming from the baby I don't know

  it could be yeah yeah Alex was was


  nothing consoled him in any way you know

  rocking walking burping feeding and he

  refused to eat okay so you're worse off

  than we are because the one the one

  thing that we do have going for us is

  that if Mikael is attached to Aaron

  everyone is happy well except Aaron but

  everyone is happy and I say except Aaron

  only because as it turns out which I

  didn't know until we had a kid

  breastfeeding not fun not easy who knew

  and so Aaron is you know extremely happy

  to be able to do it don't get me wrong

  but it is not an intensely pleasurable

  experience for Aaron dev this like leech

  latched on to her all the time I mean it

  can be depending but like but yeah

  there's definitely a learning curve that

  most people don't think about and one of

  the extra difficulties with Alex was

  because it was our first we didn't have

  like the experience to know that this is

  a thing we could successfully do like

  you know Aaron had a journal I was like

  I'm capable of this like it's a pain and

  it's annoying and lots of things can go

  wrong and you know be a bother and be

  painful and things you know whatever but

  she can do it but Alex it was like look

  or you know can can we accomplish this

  well why does our child refuse to to

  feed why is he just screaming at me like

  surely this child is hungry but no it's

  only hungry for screaming oh he's hungry

  for more so it wasn't yet Michaela isn't

  as bad as Alex in that regard this is a

  lot of complaining which is truly an

  utterly unfair you just hit me at a

  tired moment the reality of the

  situation is and I'm being serious is

  that if I take a step back we have been

  lucky enough through the miracle of

  science did I say that with no hyperbole

  intended we have been lucky enough

  through the miracle science to have two

  kids that that nature by itself wouldn't

  let us have and that is really

  tremendous and we're deeply deeply

  deeply lucky for it

  Aaron's labor was difficult every labor

  is difficult I'm not saying hers is more

  or less too

  cult than any other regardless big

  congratulations Casey you guys went

  through a lot on both fronts with both

  kids and we're really proud of you and

  big congratulations it's all smooth

  sailing for me so you have a newborn

  everything is in chaos you haven't slept

  at all

  you got a self-employment gig set up yet

  lining right up no I do not I have not

  even thought about it although because

  this is what I need to do with my time

  I'm working on a Mac app what sort of

  kind of I know it's the correct

  reversing clock Pro yes that's it that's

  exactly no I'm overcast you're like

  overcast Rumaki and by the way I'm

  billing you tomorrow um no I I yeah Adam

  trying a short short version of the

  story so I have a very esoteric and very

  weird photo management workflow that

  works for me I understand that it's

  complete garbage to everyone else on the

  planet but it works for me and the

  problem with that workflow is it's based

  on a bunch of Python that I basically

  understand but can't really create

  anymore like I can I'm not very good at

  writing Python I've done a smattering in

  my day but very very little and these

  scripts came from dr. Drang I've tweaked

  them ever so slightly in order to do

  what I need but they're almost entirely

  what drying had written so anyway so

  Apple and their infinite wisdom has

  decided to release new images new image

  codecs or formats whatever you want to

  call it with HEV C and a she I see hafe

  whatever I don't even care whatever I'm

  tired point is there's new things and

  those have ruined my workflow and so

  rather than trying to hack apart Drang

  script which is great like I'm not

  trying to say script is bad it's just

  it's it's a KC problem I don't really

  understand Python very well although I

  do approve of using free using white

  space as delimiters don't at me but

  anyway the point is I've decided to

  write a swift command line app in order

  to do basically the same thing which is

  to say look at a folder

  full of images and videos figure out

  what the date was that those images or

  videos were taken which could be as

  simple as the file creation date but

  often times does not rename them to a

  given format so in my case I prefer and

  this is one of the few cases where I

  like 8601 so my my preferred file format

  or my preferred file naming is 2017 or

  2018 - oh one - 17 space hour hour -

  minute minute - second second that's

  just the one I like if you don't like it

  that's fine

  this one is mine that's a reference Tron

  anyway point is the the script that

  Drang wrote does all of this for me but

  I decided I don't I don't like the way I

  hacked it up to work with live photos

  and trying to figure out what's the

  Associated movie with a particular image

  and so I'm just rewriting it as a swift

  command line app that'll do all this for

  me and in the span of just today I think

  I started it I feel like I'm about a

  third of the way through which means I'm

  actually about a tenth of the way

  through but that's better than nothing

  and that's exciting and I will probably

  either never release this or at most

  open source it so other people can laugh

  at how hacky this is because I'm not

  writing it for a job I'm writing it for

  me and hashtag Yolo but that's what I've

  been doing on and off when I've had a

  moment to breathe when I've not been

  entertaining Declan or keeping the

  screaming pillar from screaming I'll try

  to steal my screaming pill you gotta

  come up with a new name

  you had your peak you had your free

  birth name with sprig and sprout you

  gotta have a post birth name yeah yeah I

  thought Mikayla was getting names not


  what so what else didn't follow up what

  we got here so there's another black

  desktop Mac I hear yeah this is one I

  did not know about why because it's

  Europe only so many things are Europe

  only I like this model of Mac this is

  like the I don't know what you would

  have called this case it's the sort of

  iMac looking all-in-one but the

  nice-looking one they made a lot of

  Mac's in this particular form back here

  but apparently one of them came in black

  in Europe so more cool stuff again I was

  also trying to find I look for the link

  for the second thing there was a story

  that went around a while ago about

  how Europe or some European countries or

  some sort of international standards

  body had some requirement about the

  specific color of computers I think the

  story was like here's why all computers

  used to be beige it's because of this

  like ISOs yeah yeah yeah and I couldn't

  for the life of me find the link so if

  anyone knows it's an adjustment put in

  the show notes but anyway the important

  part of that story other than

  necessarily you know sensational

  headline was that to comply with this

  apparently Apple had to create a bunch

  of power books whose keyboards were

  greyish and it looked just awful because

  power books were all kind of like dark

  grey or black and they had keyboards

  that either matched or complemented that

  except for this they would make them fur

  I think was just Germany but maybe it

  was other European countries they'd make

  a nice sleek black power book and put it

  like a light grey keyboard and it was

  gross so kudos for Europe for having

  this black power mike 5500 and whatever

  the opposite of kudos is for making

  Apple make their computers ugly for you

  cheers and cheers John cheers and jeers

  yeah what's the opposite of kudos though

  cheers and jeers works kudos and dukey's

  all right moving on so tell me about the

  Peak elk about screen and how it is as

  quoting and I am now quoting from the

  show notes the refere of fans yeah so

  Marcos my ti Mac Pro was recently

  purchased by James Thomson creator of

  peacock the an iMac Pro configured like

  mine not like my actual one I didn't

  sell mine to him yes yes and peacock has

  been around for many many years it's a

  calculator application and it was able

  to run his fans at full blast

  how can a calculator run my Mac both

  pros fans at full blast well if you

  haven't been keeping up with P calc and

  you really shouldn't be there is an

  interesting feature hidden in the about

  screen that starts to make more sense

  when you understand that it's wrecking

  the fans so I don't want to spoil it for

  you but it does other things as they say

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  our show so this is an older story about

  people announcing arms windows pcs is

  kind of Microsoft's second run at

  selling you hard arm hardware that runs

  Windows remember was at Windows RT was

  the first one they were gonna sell like

  x86 versions of I think it was their

  surface stuff or whatever and also arm

  versions with

  special version of Windows that runs on

  it they did they actually did it yeah no

  one bought them but they did it and it

  was it just wasn't that popular a lot of

  people speculated because it's like well

  it's all well and good and it runs

  Windows and it has some advantages but

  it was a while ago arm pcs weren't as

  powerful as they are now and the main

  thing is like well I can't run office or

  office I think they ported office but

  like all the software that runs on

  Windows unless the developers recompile

  for arm I can't run it so their second

  run at this is cleaner without a special

  you know without it being like Windows

  you know suffix type thing is just

  Windows 10 for arm they have an emulator

  that will run x86 software so everyone

  doesn't have to part like they're doing

  a better job of like you know supporting

  a second architectures still remains to

  be seen whether it will succeed for them

  because I really think well you know I

  don't know the only examples I have that

  I'm knowledgeable about are the many

  transitions Apple has made to different

  CPU architectures and in all cases Apple

  has made a transition from one thing to

  another it has not tried to sustain an

  ongoing basis two things at the same

  time so I'm not sure what when Microsoft

  7-game hears but anyway I'm not not

  really interested in Microsoft's ongoing

  strategy to find ways to sell people

  more copies of Windows and making

  interesting Hardware mostly interested

  in this because of the consumer

  experience that is offered by these

  various arm pcs these are all laptops

  obviously or portable things and a lot

  of these products offer to the customer

  statistics like 20 hours of battery life

  and one one reviewer said that he has

  been using it for five days without

  charging the battery this was you know

  an ARM based PC was testing and most of

  these things come with LTE you know the

  modern the slightly more modern than

  December twistin as a CES happened

  recently which Ivan Boesky do my best to

  ignore plus or minus the new televisions

  but apparently at CES people who were

  there were saying you know you can't

  throw a rock without hang a laptop that

  has LTE so this combines

  two new ways for our Marco to reiterate

  old complaints about Apple laptops one I

  realize doesn't seem to be that great

  and two they don't have LTE and I have

  to think this is kind of one of those if

  you know again if Microsoft is

  successful with these things like maybe

  they find a way to sell them the

  emulator works well enough to make

  people consider them but like it's not

  like they get a little bit more battery

  life than like a MacBook adorable

  because 20 hours is a little is enough

  more than five or six hours that it's in

  a different ballpark it changes how you

  would use this thing if you could buy an

  Apple laptop there was MacBook adorably

  ish you know form factor with LTE they

  got 20 hours of battery life people

  would flip their lid right and so the

  question is why can't we buy that the

  LTE question we've talked about many

  times in the past seems like that is

  within Apple's grasps to do that but so

  far they haven't and the arm thing we've

  also talked about in the past but this

  is another scenario kind of like the

  Microsoft Surface studio and various

  other things that Microsoft does where I

  look at it and I think Microsoft is has

  better Hardware ideas than Apple and

  it's merely thwarted by the fact that

  their platform is not as successful and

  I have lots of other problems that are

  you know so you could say well you know

  you kept saying in Microsoft server

  studio is such a big deal but it's not

  really setting the world on fire yes

  they have other problems like you don't

  win just because you have interesting

  hardware but it pains me to see

  Microsoft being more innovative and it's

  hardware when I think if Apple just did

  those same things but also stayed good

  at all the things that it's good at and

  it's much more you know sort of popular

  on the upswing platform I think we would

  all all love products like that and I'm

  not saying it's time for Apple to go to

  arm or whatever I'm just saying the

  longer Apple waits the more its laptops

  seem like they are I don't know I'm not

  gonna say like from another age but

  going in a different direction than

  everybody else I can't think of any

  person who you know who is a current

  MacBook adorable owner this is that the

  12-inch MacBook with one little board on

  the side of it also known as the MacBook

  one and saying hey you like that and

  everything but what if I gave you the

  same thing and it had to run some of

  your existing software and emulation but

  you had 20 hours of battery life

  LT I think a lot of people would be

  willing to give that a try I know I


  oh absolutely I was just thinking

  earlier today that I love my my adorable

  I freaking love this thing but I was

  also thinking I would kill everyone I

  knew for a second port but that's a

  different issue

  um I do love this thing no I really and

  truly and honestly do it is not

  exceptionally fast it is only one port

  which is which is very frustrating from

  time to time not always but from time to

  time but I love this computer and if you

  told me that I could get two times the

  battery life not to say that I have a

  problem with the battery life but if you

  said hey charging once a day isn't even

  necessary charge once a weekend and or

  you said oh and by the way you can have

  the internet anywhere

  oh my word I would pay twice as much as

  I paid for this thing I think I paid

  like two or three thousand dollars for

  this thing whatever it was it was not

  insignificant given that it's the

  tiniest laptop that Happel sells and I

  would do anything just like John was

  saying I would do anything to have that

  this phantom this phantom laptop with

  you know twice the battery life in LTE I

  don't care if it has an arm or not

  that's that to me is mostly irrelevant

  like obviously it's an interesting

  conversation for us three nerds but as a

  consumer I don't care if it has an arm

  or not I just want it to last forever

  which it sort of does now and have LT

  would be tremendous yes I understand you

  can tether I get that but to me I'd

  prefer to have it on board if I could so

  the arm factor is you know yeah it's

  like if you put X a six and I wouldn't

  get twenty hours back like that's that

  that's the contention of total arm right

  and it starts to be ever more plausible

  when you think about how like the iPhone

  benchmarks against the adorable in

  single and multi-threaded like the

  modern iPhone and then you compare the

  size of the battery in the iPhone ten to

  the size of the battery in the adorable

  I granted the adorable has a massive

  screen on it like it's not apples to

  apples it's not a hundred percent clear

  to me that oh just magically replace the

  CPU with arm you get twenty hours of

  battery life but you know like aside

  from consumer perspective they don't

  know or care

  what hardware is inside these except as

  it might impact their software

  compatibility experience that's where

  the emulator comes in and maybe that

  hurts the battery life but either way if

  they treat this as a transition and go

  all the way this is an experience that

  Apple currently can't compete against is

  very far from competing against and the

  other angular we didn't get to hear is

  the sort of a teacher angle where if you

  were to go to the story that will link

  in the show notes from our second again

  look at these products you would say but

  wait a second that's not a MacBook

  adorable that's an iPad with the

  keyboard that's like a Windows 10

  convertible bond remember Windows has

  the one OS strategy that handles

  touching blah blah blah and Apple

  doesn't and that brings us into a second

  conversation that I think I had probably

  around December whenever I was an

  upgrade with Jason's now talking about

  iOS laptops and since then or maybe

  before that I remember Jason is written

  a couple of articles about it

  the teachers talked about it forever and

  it's come up again and so you know maybe

  the answer isn't in adorable 20 hours of

  battery life maybe the answer is an iOS

  laptop which is another thing that

  people are climbing for and as I said an

  upgrade Apple should totally make one

  because it is a known proven form factor

  and some people really like iOS and I

  can see you getting 20 hours of battery

  life from an iOS laptop so if you're not

  gonna do it with the actual adorable to

  my case you happen do the iOS laptop

  thing I think the iOS type of thing is

  is a thing that they should do I don't

  know how good end up being but I know a

  lot of people who would buy them I would

  probably buy one i I've had ever since

  the 9.7 Pro came out I've used I have

  dramatically increased my iPad usage

  because I got it with the smart Keyboard

  and the smart keyboard cover it

  transforms an iPad for a lot of people

  and I'm one of them and I'm I know Matt

  the only woman it and it's pretty much

  always in it I I never take it out of

  that cover I do occasionally like if I'm

  gonna be sitting on the couch for a

  while I will occasionally fold the

  keyboard behind it but I'm not even

  detaching it it's I consider that

  keyboard part of my iPad so if we had

  basically what tablet PCs offered like

  15 years ago

  which was the convertible form factor

  where it looked like a laptop except the

  hinge you could rotate the screen

  like all the way around and then flip it

  back to fold it back on itself

  you know PC makers still make laptops

  like this like this is still a thing you

  can get that some version of that as an

  iPad that had a permanently attached

  keyboard that was a really good keyboard

  that and then the whole thing could be

  shaped and weighted the way a laptop is

  shaped and waited and had a lot of

  benefits there that would be an amazing

  device for a lot of people and this is

  not to say that all iPads should become

  laptops obviously that's not true

  but what we've seen with the the like

  stopping the fall of iPad sales and

  starting to have some growth again in

  the last you know few quarters I think

  that's directly attributable to two big

  changes in the iPad line number one that

  awesome new cheap 329 iPad that's a big

  thing and then number two the iPad pro

  finally giving a lot of high-end and

  business users what they've been begging

  for for the iPad since day one and like

  I made this tweet abettor that was kind

  of you know quick on this point but it's

  like the history of the iPad has has

  been like you know Apple said Apple

  tries something they say we don't we

  don't need legacy thing X Y or Z and

  then customers like I don't know III

  think you do need that and apples not

  trust us you don't need it and sometimes

  they're right a lot and that's why I

  think they they make that bet so often

  and the and they're so stubborn on its

  for so long most of the time because a

  lot of times they are right about that

  but sometimes they're not and like you

  know if when you have like a pretty

  decent sized portion of your customer

  base like hacking keyboards onto iPads

  in weird ways in these like you know

  crappy like cases and brackets and

  things eventually you're like okay well

  let's actually just make the iPad do

  this well and we will we will make the

  iPad support a better the same way like

  the iPad one didn't have any support in

  the hardware for a case and that's where

  the iPad one case was that horrible like

  vinyl pocket thing that was a disaster

  because the like there was no good way

  to a tat to attach a case to an iPad

  the ipad2 they realize oh everyone is

  attaching cases to this so we'll build

  in the magnets to have this you know

  magnet connector on the side and that

  that can support the case over time you

  know these needs expand eventually we

  get where we are with the iPad pro now

  where we have the smart connector we

  have a nice easy way to attach keyboards

  that dealing with Bluetooth or batteries

  or anything and an apple makes this nice

  one it really hasn't panned out that

  much in the in the sense that nobody

  else really makes anything for the smart

  connector but Apple does at least and so

  I feel like going towards this like you

  know clamshell iPad option or this

  convertible iPad option as kind of a

  half laptop that is a perfectly valid

  place for the iPad line to go not all of

  them but for that to be an option they

  already sell it in like four different

  sizes it would you know people are

  always like will they only want to ever

  make one and they they don't they want

  to minimize SKUs like no that's not true

  anymore like that's that's that's not

  has not been true for a long time for

  most Apple product lines they're fine

  making additional models if it expands

  the market and so I think this would

  expand the market by enough to make it

  work the additional cost of having it so

  that aside for a minute let me just rant

  about LTE for one more time this will be

  quick there we don't have to think about

  why Apple might or might not want to put

  LTE in Mac laptops we don't have to this

  does not have to be theoretical because

  PC laptops have offered LTE built-in as

  an option for over a decade it's not

  theoretical at all if we can see why

  people want we can see that people buy

  it we can see the good and bad that

  comes from it we can see how it can be

  managed and sold all of this has been

  shown by the PC world for over a decade

  the only good reason they might have

  some bad reasons but the only good

  reason why I don't think Apple has LTE

  in max is because Mac hardware has spent

  so much of the last few years especially

  but you know honestly a lot of the time

  since iOS came out mac harbor has spent

  so much of this time in neglect and in

  seemingly the entire platform has seemed

  to be in maintenance mode in a lot of


  and we see signs of this maybe not being

  true anymore with things like the iMac

  Pro where this is like you know this

  awesome computer or lots of custom

  engineering and everything so you know

  maybe we're coming out of this time but

  there is no question in my mind that

  there is no good reason why we can't

  have LTE as an option in MacBooks there

  are only bad reasons and if Apple wanted

  to make it happen if they cared to make

  that happen in the Mac line if they

  thought that was a thing that was worth

  their time they could do it it would be

  totally fine it Mac OS has had support

  for distinguishing cellular connections

  on network API requests since I think

  mountain lion or something it's it's

  been there for a while now so the

  software support is there there are apps

  like Trip mode if you really need to

  watch it more than that but you know

  these are all solved problems on the

  software side the hardware side is okay

  is it a cost issue charge more for it

  it's a cost issue on the iPads too you

  can get $1,000 iPad pro and then you can

  add an LTE for LTE to it for like 150

  bucks like that's it okay whatever you

  need to charge charge it okay like what

  we will bear that as the market like

  people want this yes you can tether as

  you mentioned earlier Casey

  but tethering sucks it's not always on

  your phone isn't always with you you're

  draining two batteries and instead of

  one like that sucks

  nobody wants that yes you have to have

  another plan for the device

  but these days we have plans for our

  watches now for God's sake plans for

  additional devices have become easier

  and easier over time and cheaper and

  cheaper over time there are so many

  people who would buy a MacBook Pro or

  MacBook whatever I don't care

  buy some Apple laptop running Mac OS I

  don't care what it's called they would

  buy that with an LT option for an extra

  I don't know 200 bucks and would gladly

  pay an extra 20 to 40 dollars a month to

  have that on a cellular plan this is not

  theoretical the entire PC world has done

  this for a decade we know this we see

  this we know it can be done Apple for

  God's sake it's way past time just do it

  so in that category of things the Apple

  you know sees other people do

  we don't need to do that one very minor

  one oh I don't know I don't think it's

  that minor because I continue to be

  annoyed by it despite the fact that I'm

  not really in the market for this thing

  take a look at the picture at the top of

  that our technical article about the

  Windows 10 pcs and you know so this is a

  great example of a convertible iPad ish

  type thing and it's got an OS on it that

  runs through desktop apps but you can

  also touch it and it's got a keyboard

  and it's got a little kickstand this is

  actually a less less laptop more smart

  key there's a little loop where you can

  store your pen look at that a it's got a

  pen which is the earlier category of

  things Apple didn't till I realized yeah

  but B guess what it has a place for you

  to put the pen that you're going to use

  with your tablet E and there are a

  million third-party ways to do that but

  I'm not entirely sure what Apple expects

  people to do like they expect people to

  put it behind their ear like you know a

  carpenter or something by the way the

  third-party ways all suck I've tried

  many of them they're all terrible right

  I just saw one today of like another one

  of these things likely they've like a

  case with a big long stick that

  magnetically attached to the smart cover

  or whatever it's like you know it's

  almost like we had it better in the palm

  days where all this devices came with a

  little slot where you put that tiny

  little stinky plastics house help the

  Newton had slots for you to slide a

  stylus into that a collapsible one where

  it went in sort of horizontally and then

  in the message pad 110 it went in

  vertically like if you're you know they

  sell a stylus now a pretty good one and

  people like it and the people who like

  it want to use it with their iPad

  because as far as I'm aware you can't

  use that spouse anywhere else can you

  like it doesn't work with anything

  except for an iPad so the only reason

  you own it is to use it with your iPad

  and I guess you just carry the pencil on

  one hand and the iPad and the other it's

  just this seems like a huge oversight

  and so my tiny tiny miniature wishlist

  things that Apple should do obviously

  LTE is bigger and you know iOS laptops

  is bigger but like if we can't get

  either one of those things Apple

  give us an officially supported place to

  put the Apple pencil so you can carry

  both it and the iPad that it goes with

  together in some way where there is a

  reasonable chance that they won't

  immediately detaching you loser

  yeah there's also I mean I honestly I

  think the pencil could use a lot more

  consideration than that but maybe that's

  for another show yeah but anyway the

  Microsoft obviously has been on that

  page for a long time is there sort of a

  kitchen sink thing oh it's a laptop it's

  a tablet it's you can draw on that you

  can touch the screen it's got a stylus

  you know it's got a he'll the surface

  book thing had that whatever that little

  cylinder thing that you stick on the

  screen and turn and do all knob yeah

  they're trying all sorts of stuff I'm

  just saying like where we've crossed the

  the stylus Rubicon here like we're all

  we're all in stylus land we just need

  some place to put it and I say I own one

  of these and you know our mine is it is

  on my nightstand next to my iPad and no

  it doesn't roll off because it's vaguely

  weighted and I have it on the inside set

  of the outside but it just annoys me

  like one of the reasons I never have my

  sows with my iPad is I don't have a way

  to attach it and all those third-party

  ways always just seemed a little bit I

  don't know inconvenient for me

  especially since I'm not like a super

  heavy stylus user but honestly if there

  should be there should be an Apple

  supportive way to do it please I just

  want my macbook adorable with LTE yes I

  would pay the extra fees for it if I

  really thought it was useful much as a

  watch you know I know is the adorable so

  much bigger than the watch and the

  watches are small money for a small

  thing why should I pay for that it's

  it's just it's sipping data

  who buys batteries if that's why Mac

  apps get more money because the screens

  are bigger yeah right well I I feel like

  we kind of got sidetracked though on the

  idea of arm like us yeah I know right do

  we think that this is realistic

  I feel like we went through this like

  six months ago or something like that

  and I don't remember what conclusion we

  came to it seems to me like if it wasn't

  for the fact that there's so many third

  parties that would need to get on board

  this train this would have maybe already

  happened at this point like it seems it

  seems like Apple would want to control

  the entire stack they're clear they're

  clearly very good at making arm CPUs

  there the arm CPUs they make are clearly

  very power efficient like in so many

  ways I'm slightly surprised they haven't

  dip their toes into this water although

  I agree with I think it was John that

  said earlier that they don't typically

  you know

  straddle two platforms they will they

  will just decide okay we're going from

  PowerPC to Intel or we're going from

  Intel to arm etc but I don't know I I

  feel like this I feel like this is an

  inevitability but remind me of this in

  like 15 years when we're still on you

  know Intel processors well they're

  playing chicken with that inevitability

  like so we all see it as an

  inevitability but it's you know the game

  of chicken is that inevitability of like

  look they've got a dorm like they're so

  good at doing armed cpus they're i'm

  cpus are getting better and better like

  isn't it only a matter of time the car

  racing in the other direction at that

  eventualities yeah but if they keep

  holding on eventually the Mac will just

  fade away on its own and we wanted to

  deal with it because iOS always been

  armed and so problem solved but it gets

  back to the Mac investment thing and you

  know in our past discussions like look

  if you really want to go armed on the

  Mac it's very difficult to support both

  for a long time which means you're kind

  of signing up to build like an 18 core

  ARM processor to compete with Zeon's if

  you're still gonna be in that market

  which as of last year Apple has

  decisively said yes we want to be in the

  market Marco's sitting in front of one

  right now so if you want to go arm on

  the Mac oh no it's not just yes great so

  we can take the phone CPU and throw it

  in a laptop and we're like oh but we're

  good to go there it's perfect fit what

  do you put in the iMac Pro and then you

  got the Thunderbolt issue it's like yeah

  we could solve all these problems you

  could totally do it if the Mac was a

  growing platform and it was the future

  of the company they would do that they

  would make arm CPUs with 18 cores in

  them they compete with Zeon's and they

  would figure out the Thunderbolt thing

  and they'd be fine but that's not where

  the Mac is right now and so it's like do

  we really want to put that much money

  into a platform that we sell so little

  of maybe if we just hold on long enough

  we won't have to worry about this

  problem then it will solve itself so

  that is the game of chicken I see on the

  arm CPUs like in the fantasy engineer

  world it seems like a no-brainer that

  Apple would do it because they're so

  good at it and surely they do a great

  job where they'd work out the tech

  issues but in the reality where you have

  to look at sales numbers and consider

  how much you're investing in yada yada


  it does not look like a sure bet you

  know clear clearly the right thing for

  Apple to do so you know every year like

  you smell the wind and me like this

  this deer farm and I suppose that the

  thing that could make it happen sooner

  rather than later or not at all is Apple

  could actually decide we're gonna do to

  a to CBO strategy we're not going to

  bother trying to compete with the Xeon

  but all these you know next year's set

  of arm assist amount of chips for

  iPhones and iPads could cover such a

  vast portion of their laptop line at

  this point right in terms of CPU power

  and and GPU power for that matter that

  they could sell more than half of their

  Mac's with arm CPUs without having to

  basically build the new chips we have

  building these anyway for the iPads and

  the iPhones repurpose them do all the

  work we have to do the u.s. voix arm on

  the Mac and you know the Mac Pro and the

  iMac Pro know a lot of the stuff you

  know we're not going to put that much

  money into arm two to build chips for

  those so those will stay with x86 and

  we'll just continue to ride this out

  with two CPUs that but so far Apple has

  never done that and I don't think that

  strategy is a good idea I think the

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  tell me about Windows 10 sets this was

  uh I've been keeping up with Windows 10

  I have not actually ever run Windows 10

  my windows stuff at work is Windows 8 or

  earlier I still retreat to the comfort

  of Windows 7 the relative comfort of

  Windows 7 for someone who's not a

  Windows user obviously although I bet

  Windows users are comfortable in Windows

  7 to like yeah that was last one that

  still seemed vaguely like Windows but

  when those eight screwed it all up

  some people like Windows 10 but anyway

  windows 10 sets I'm assuming this is

  official an official shipping feature

  but I can't really tell because it's

  just a YouTube video for all I know it's

  just a speculative thing but you know my

  love of window arranging and so to see

  any OS vendor coming up with new

  strategies for dealing with Windows is

  interesting to me now obviously the

  windows the windows windowing model is

  so different from the Mac and I like the

  Mac windowing model better but given the

  windows windowing model where everything

  it's his own damn window and it's it's

  own little taskbar item and its own

  independent entity and potentially also

  its own duplicate running instance of an

  application like is everything flies in

  the face of the Mac model but given that

  model on Windows where you got a lot of

  windows floating around many of which

  are actually independent instances of

  programs it's difficult to figure out


  to come up with a sort of a system or to

  create any sort of hierarchy like on the

  Mac because you basically can't have you

  know you know technically you can but

  from a user's perspective you can only

  have one instances of an application

  running at once right so if you start

  Safari and it shows up in your dock what

  if I want to run a second instance of


  well you can't now obviously if you know

  what you're doing you can make that

  happen the regular users if they

  double-click Safari again in the finder

  it doesn't launch a second Safari on

  your dock if you click it again on your

  dock it doesn't launch a second Safari

  you've got so far and within Safari you

  have multiple Safari windows and then

  within windows you have multiple tabs

  that hierarchy on the Mac application is

  one level and then drill down one level

  each application can have zero or more

  windows that's the one fundamental

  aspect of Windows is not like that so if

  you don't have that hierarchy I mean

  Windows kind of had that hierarchy back

  in the day maybe you two windows victims

  can tell me about this do you remember

  the windowing model I think I think the

  visual studio did it at one point there

  was a name for that I used to know where

  you'd have a parent window a gnome di a

  an all child windows were inside the

  parent window called MDI multiple

  document interface yeah that was a

  terrible idea but anyway they're there

  you know there is still that hierarchy

  because you can launch one instance of

  ie and have multiple tabs and many

  applications you could launch one

  instance of the application and open

  multiple documents even though depending

  on the taskbar

  that's why Photoshop has always done and

  did various ways yeah because that

  started as a Mac app so this inherits so

  you have some flexibility to do but in

  general it's much more flat in Windows

  so Windows 10 sets let's it's kind of

  like when Apple added framework support

  for tabbed windows on the Mac where it

  was easy for a Mac application to say

  we're gonna support tabs that look and

  behave vaguely like Safari tabs so

  previously you'd have my document based

  application TextEdit you know you launch

  TextEdit and you open a bunch of new

  documents in each document is in a new

  window and with the framework support

  for tabbing it's like oh it's pretty

  easy for text said to say now I support

  tabs and you could take your to TextEdit

  windows and merge them together

  and now they're in one tab the window

  that kind of looks like a safari window

  a little Safari tab right they added

  that a couple years ago well windows 10

  sets ads tab

  sort of to the window manager so that an

  OS level you can assemble Windows from

  multiple different applications into one

  tabbed mega window to make a set of

  documents so you've got a web browser

  window a text editor window your

  graphics application window all are our

  tabs within the same you know master

  window so there's not like it's seven

  PowerPoint documents

  it's a PowerPoint document and ie

  document like a Finder window whatever

  that like all the windows you know that

  a file system thing showing you know

  your disk explorer X is it even called

  that anymore who knows and that's their

  that's their way of organization so

  instead of just being a flat stew of

  Windows which is one of the many reasons

  that Windows you left a full screen

  because like look there is no hierarchy

  so just give each one no the entire

  screen and I will just furiously alt-tab

  between them and I'll feel efficient now

  then you have the ability to make sets

  of Windows based on whatever task you're

  doing kind of like I've talked about

  making sets of tabs in my web browser

  this is my like I'm shopping for a new

  you know screwdriver window and I have

  like seven tabs of different sites

  looking at screwdrivers right this could

  be I'm working on a project here's all

  the graphics from the project is my

  research window here's you know a text

  editor window here's a web preview of

  what I'm doing put them all together

  into one big set and then the cloud

  twist is oh and also Microsoft will

  cloud sync those sets so if you go over

  to another Windows 10 computer and log

  in is you you can recall that set and

  say what was i working on bring up that

  window set you know that from that thing

  I was working on and all those windows

  appear on your new computer all those

  tabs or whatever so I think that's very

  intriguing I would love both that

  statefulness and the ability to sort of

  mix and match windows in a task oriented

  way it doesn't work really with the Mac

  windowing model so I don't think Apple

  should look at this in adopted wholesale

  but I kind of excited by Windows itself

  taking another look at something as

  basic as window document and application

  management and trying to come up with a

  you know unlike I say it's novel because

  I'm sure 57 X Windows managers

  this exact same thing but I found

  interesting and there are parts of it I

  find attractive especially the cloud

  singing statefulness of course all the

  caveats apply does this require support

  from application vendors will the only

  person who supports to be Microsoft if

  you take a bunch of kardi one in his

  application and try to use it with this

  will they not behave correctly

  historically when Microsoft has had a

  harder time getting all its developers

  to adopt new technologies Apple has done

  better they're a little bit spotty in

  recent years especially with things like

  autosave and state restoration and stuff

  like that that kind of flew in the face

  of Mac orthodoxy and was sort of only

  half-heartedly implemented by some Mac

  applications but in general I think

  Apple has a better time in it so once

  again I'm in the position where I am

  forced to praise Microsoft and be proud

  of what they're doing and wish Apple not

  did the same things but innovated with a

  similar spirit like when's the last time

  a politico management in the Mac and had

  some bold new ideas like they they added

  like some vague slightly annoying

  snapping thing in like Sierra and then

  like the the you know the tiling thing

  was that Sierra - they've added a couple

  of minor features in half-hearted ways

  and in recent years but nothing that

  tries to not fundamentally rethink but

  add a dramatically new feature akin to

  like you know Mission Control or expose

  or whatever like in the early days of

  Mac OS 10 you know that's what they were

  doing they were saying you know we have

  a new idea of how you might want to

  manage Windows and we call it expose and

  later we'll rename it and make it even

  more confusing and then spaces like this

  is not a new idea but hey we think it's

  maybe worth bringing to the Mac and

  we'll refine it and try to make a

  different model I that I miss those days

  of windowing innovation yeah I mean this

  is like it this is just one more area

  where it feels like the Mac is in

  maintenance mode at one of these times

  one of these cool experiments by

  somebody else is going to take off like

  Microsoft is doing a lot of things

  they're trying a lot of things and

  they're they aren't all working but some

  of them are and some of them will and

  it's you know both in hardware and

  software with with you know with what

  trying over there and Apple is really

  not trying that much in on this level

  with the Mac the touch bar is probably

  the only thing that was on anywhere near

  this level that they tried and that was

  more of a hardware I know the

  implementation crosses everything but

  like that was more of a hardware feature

  than a software feature you know from

  the user point of view and it wasn't

  particularly well received and it's and

  I think you know I think history will

  judge it as a flop if the president

  hasn't at least but that doesn't mean

  they should not try anything else that

  just means the one thing they tried that

  was anywhere near this type of thing

  didn't work out but they need to keep

  trying because the PC industry is and

  you know we forget sometimes like quite

  how small percentage-wise the Mac has

  compared to PCs in market share and you

  know the Mac is much more influential

  compared to its market share of size

  than you would expect but if people are

  like on their work pcs and they're using

  all these things at work and they get

  used to something like this this sets

  feature then the Mac just looks bad by

  comparison for not having it you know

  and the more the more as time goes on

  the more Microsoft tries things you know

  some percentage of them will stick some

  some of them already have like

  touchscreen laptops like hidden we

  helped made fun of that Apple makes fun

  of that but the reality is people use

  them and like them that's fine and Apple

  doesn't do that and so when somebody who

  is used to being able to scroll the

  screen in the laptop occasionally with

  their finger or poke a link with their

  finger sometimes they go to a Mac and it

  doesn't work and that doesn't make Apple

  look like great product visionaries it

  makes the Mac look broken or outdated

  and over time the number of things that

  caused that feeling in new buyers is

  going to increase that's my concern with

  the Macs dating is that it a polemic

  kind of in maintenance mode for a lot of

  its you know for a lot of the platform

  and you might think oh well Apple is

  fine they're selling you know iPhones

  and iPads yeah that's fine but the rest

  of the industry that the Mac competes

  with is moving forward with or without

  Apple they are moving and if Apple is

  not even really putting in a strong

  effort to compete with them

  Mack isn't going to remain constant over

  time it's going to decline over time

  there it's going to start falling behind

  in big ways and I don't want that to

  happen to my favorite computing platform

  of all time I'm just tired of being sad


  it's hard being sad hi I'm happy with

  this my my pro I'll tell you that but

  nothing to do with the software yeah

  like like the touch forest as Marco said

  is a reason to be happy because look

  that was a pretty big investment and a

  you know a pretty important dramatic

  clearly Mac only future doesn't seem to

  have worked out whatever bless exactly

  were asking for you know you got it you

  gotta try things right but I would say

  that the t2 in Marcos iMac Pro is

  another example of granted mostly

  hardware based but interesting

  innovation that you know it is its

  borrowing technology from iOS like it's

  building on other that's just smart

  business but they didn't have to do that

  they could have made a more traditional

  Xeon based PC and slapped it inside and

  I'm a case but they didn't they're they

  you know there's there's extra cost and

  expense involved in adapting that iOS

  hardware and software to the Mac and

  they did it and that's that's an

  exciting Avenue for innovation I think

  to make Mac's less like you know less

  like Apple branded hackintosh this and

  more like you can't you can't assemble

  this from parts you you know this has

  advantages over a PC that you would

  build in terms of you know performance

  power draw security all the areas that

  we expect Apple to innovate in which for

  many years even in the max heyday you

  know in the in the jobs you know PowerPC

  g3 g4 our when max were very exciting

  and we're you know the the bread and

  butter of the company those max inside

  were more conventionally like pcs than

  Markos I Mac Pro is they didn't have

  some weird custom ARM chip implementing

  secure boot they were more or less on

  the same you know was it uh EFI and

  later the all of Intel's security

  features like that but it wasn't like

  Apple was building these giant custom

  ships to do all of its like image

  processing from the camera and to run

  the SSD and to do a secure boot and

  stuff like that that I think is

  innovation it's not software innovation

  but it is innovation and investment in

  Maxo I'm heartened by the renewed

  interest and yeah we all would have

  liked the touch bar to maybe be more to

  our tastes you know maybe some people

  like but for the three of us it hasn't

  really set the world on fire so I guess

  I guess more of that more of that please

  and you know with a higher batting

  average well and I'm you know it seems

  like there's obviously a lot of

  different areas in which Apple is

  innovating or not innovating or moving

  forward or just in maintenance mode my

  main complaint about stagnation is in

  frequency of hardware updates number one

  and number two did the most bigger

  problem I think is the software platform

  you know it's it's very I think there's

  John I think there's a lot of parallels

  to be made to your you know Copeland

  2010 yeah to that article like you know

  the arguments you made back forever ago

  which is like you know at some point

  forgive me for trying to paraphrase your

  argument it's at some point you know

  they can't continue doing this forever

  like something has to change they have

  to there has to be a next generation

  version of this at some point and I

  don't know we we don't know we don't

  have enough insight into Apple to know

  like is there a next generation version

  of Mac OS that they're working on

  because you know we don't see any signs

  of that and obviously we probably

  wouldn't until it was much further along

  and almost ready to ship but like if

  there isn't that's a big problem that's

  a really big problem because what the up

  the OS we're using right now on the Mac

  is you know it's it's fine in a lot of

  ways it's world-class in a lot of ways

  but it's really ancient and creaky and

  has a lot of baggage and does a lot of

  things in really outdated ways that is

  catching up to it it you know it has

  been catching up to it for quite some

  time it's going to keep catching up to

  it more and more and for Apple to move

  the Mac forward they need to be

  investing heavily in it they need to be

  giving it its next generation operating

  system an x generation platform and so

  things like the touch bar and the t2 are

  awesome on the hardware side the iMac

  Pro is amazing I continue to be

  incredibly happy with it as a computer

  but Mac OS is starving for attention

  it is stagnating it is falling apart it

  is starving hi Sierra is

  many ways pathetic and scary in in how

  sloppy things were done with it how many

  bugs there still are in a lot of areas

  the security bugs are embarrassing I

  mean it's it's getting worse every

  release seems like it's getting worse

  Sierra was a terrible release also very

  unreliable lots of bugs lots of problems

  lots of subsystems and things that were

  seemingly rewritten for vague reasons

  and then we're worse and more buggy like

  this is increasing over time because

  they're not putting the resources into

  the OS that it needs to be stable and

  secure and to be moved forward that's my

  concern area it's not about the t2 in

  the touch bar it's that Mac OS itself is

  not being properly maintained and

  invested in and hopefully I'm wrong

  hopefully I'm totally wrong and they're

  working on our awesome new next

  generation you know OS 11 or whatever

  would be called it with me not that but

  you know hopefully I'm wrong about all

  this but we haven't seen no signs in

  that direction so we have no way to know

  if there's a next gen operating system I

  don't think it would be an extra in Mac

  or everything system it would be a next

  gen operating apple operating system

  that would span the range right because

  like what you're really talking about

  for an external operating systems and

  honestly I don't think Apple is at the

  k√∂ppen 2010 point just because like in

  the if you look at the the rate of

  important advancement in computing lots

  of really important sort of industry

  changing paradigm shifting stuff

  happened really early on in that

  beginning part going from very simple

  computers to more complicated ones and

  it just so happens that Apple's success

  with the Apple 2 in the Mac happened to

  hit right before all of the personal

  computers got on the memory protection

  and pre-emptive multitasking bandwagon

  so it was unfortunate timing that they

  were successful with a slightly older

  platform but there's there's nothing out

  there as clear-cut as like memory

  protection either have it or you don't

  and it's a pretty big innovation and if

  you are unfortunate enough to be

  massively successful with the platform

  that doesn't have it it's very hard to

  edit after the fact everyone else has it

  and it's not a minor thing now but don't

  worry there's no room for an extra

  hopper existing but I think Apple can

  get along with

  you know Mach BSD amalgam as they've

  shown they can bring that down to

  watches and all the way up to max so

  it's fairly flexible and it's pretty

  neat and they can piecemeal replace

  parts of it and improve it so it's still

  got life like that left in it but

  eventually you want a next generation

  operating system that next generation

  operating system is not next generation

  iOS and not a next generation Mac

  operation the next generation Apple

  operating system that will probably have

  to run on their self-driving cars and

  you're you know you're watching your

  glasses and your whatever like that's

  that's where they would go and I don't

  think it's pressing for them to do that

  now but they you know all their you know

  the car projects and any other weird

  things they've tried with glasses and

  rings and whatever those are avenues to

  experiment with different kernels

  real-time operating systems things

  optimized for neural nets which you know

  arguably their experiment on the phone

  with the whatever that what's the little

  thing the name the branding name they

  gave to the neural process or m/l know

  some part of the chip that was dead

  anything anyway I've heard lots of

  rumors of experimentation with different

  sort of kernels and you know sort of

  core OS designs and also anything

  they're doing with the car I've also

  heard rumors that that stack was

  potentially different from the bottom up

  than a lot of the existing ones one of

  those things go anywhere you know I

  guess I don't think it's pressing but if

  and when a next-generation Apple

  operating platform comes along I fully

  expect it to span the range of all their

  products and to finally and decisively

  the dichotomy between Mac and iOS which

  is say I don't think it is it is

  imminent or more much more likely to get

  something sooner as we talked about in a

  couple shows ago with the unified UI

  framework right that is a much more

  reasonable incremental step towards that

  that goal and you know right now like it

  could be argued that Apple currently has

  a unified low-level or s across all

  their products because under the covers

  it's all mock BSD Darwin

  however you want it like that's

  underneath all of them it's not like the

  watch as far as I'm aware is running a

  dramatically different operating system

  from the kernel all the way up then your

  Mac is like so there is a common

  foundational platform with various bits

  stripped down on it and obviously

  different architectures and different

  optimizations and stuff like that it's

  just that as you get up to the higher

  layer this you know historical somewhat

  artificial distinction appears oh this

  is a Mac Apple that's an iPad app no

  there they're totally different it

  looked kind of the same you I know but

  just their same core OS same grunt yeah

  I know but they're not it's not the same


  so I think Apple can address that top

  layer before they have to go all way

  down to the bottom and start you know

  and what was that google has a project

  like that what was it called this is the

  the show where I can't remember the

  names of anything fuschia there we go I

  pulled it out pulled it out before the

  chat room huh

  that there fuschia operating system sort

  of like and out in the open let's try

  this experiment with another potential

  platform which is such an unappetizing

  to do which is like so is confusion is

  like wait so you're still doing Chrome

  OS and what about Android and what the

  hell is fuchsia and not an Apple move at

  all but Apple should be doing things

  exactly like that internally maybe they

  are who knows I don't know it's just

  weird cuz in the last 24 hours as I

  mentioned previously I've I've been

  reminded how much I freaking love this

  MacBook adorable even the keyboard which

  admittedly is not the most reliable

  thing in the world but I do love the

  feel of it something something

  tremendous turns off by itself sometimes

  but it's fine I won't make much it's

  it's not a big deal no I love I love

  this I love this little laptop and I

  love this little laptops hardware design

  but I tell you

  Mac's the Apple software is not not

  doing it for me and for a fleeting

  moment earlier today actually it was

  yesterday it's all a blur you guys

  anyway for a fleeting moment sometime in

  the last 48 hours I thought to myself

  man I wonder if I should just try

  Windows again no because well and I know

  that that's the answer but but I'm

  looking at and I think I tweeted about


  but I was trying to pull pictures off my

  iPhone an image capture which is you

  know an on board an app that comes with

  the operating system that is designed to

  do specific