260: The Todoyist Problem
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late for to-do item because you want to
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do it at a particular time depending on
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how you view things how many you just
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use one calendar KC way to use I use a
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shared Google Calendar that is off of my
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gmail account that Aaron and I share and
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that is the canonical family calendar
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that being said anything that happens
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during the workday or anything that for
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some reason I don't want Aaron to see
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like maybe I've booked a time to go buy
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her a gift or something like that like
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that's the only thing I can think of
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that I wouldn't want her to see or maybe
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something that's irrelevant to her that
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goes on my work calendar just because
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he's going to the Tesla dealership
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exactly right how did you know but but
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yes so basically the Google Calendar
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that's associated with my gmail account
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well strictly speaking my Google Apps
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for my domain account that is a shared
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calendar that that she has on her phone
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that she has on her computer that's
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everywhere that is the canonical list
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family calendar and then anything that
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is basically basically anything that
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happens during the workday or for some
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reason I don't want her to be burdened
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with that is on my work calendar what is
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your work calendar its Google Apps but
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it's all Google yeah it's Google
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everywhere so I also have a separate
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work calendar it's not Google because my
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work doesn't use Google at work out look
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whatever exchange and I don't I think
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that's split I like that split I like
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not having my work calendar messed with
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my family code most ago than my work
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calendar is totally bonkers like is just
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massively booked and oversubscribed and
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I would never want that noise in my life
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right and then the life calendar is less
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and there's a split the market but it's
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pretty much the same split that I use
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like on the family calendar it's you
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know podcast recording I would put
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plumber on the calendar it would be an
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all-day item and then reminders are if
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I'm doing something off the normal
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schedule I do put what I do put what
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time I have to leave work on my work
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calendar I do put what time I have to
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leave home on my home calendar for days
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where that is different than normal
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right so if I have to write if I have a
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very early meeting and I want to remind
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yet today you have a early meeting you
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actually have to be working or earlier
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than you normally are I put that on my
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home calendar early in the morning and
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if I have to leave work early to like a
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parent-teacher conference I put that in
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my work calendar which is weird like I
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was thinking about for the to-do apps as
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well and when I use reminders I'm a lot
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of time I'm choosing a system based on
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where I think I'll be when I'll need
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this information and what I think I'll
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be doing if I think my phone will be
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with me reminders is a candidate because
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that's where I'm gonna see it but if I
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think I won't have my phone if I put in
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reminders not gonna do me any good
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you know if I'm if I'm someplace where I
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don't have that and that's the homework
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calendar split is I don't want to look
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at my work calendar at home and I do
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look at my home calendar at work which
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you requires some combining of stuff but
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for the to do stuff like marker said
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with the multiple applications that are
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you know task specific I just got done
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asking for the ability to say like Oh
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reminding you whatever and have you use
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a single app the next logical step and
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that is to have it understand you well
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enough to know when you ask to add
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something to your shopping list that it
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means this Apple when you when you say
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something about the trash it means that
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app right these are all within the realm
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of reason because these are a fairly
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narrow problem demands and also within
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the realm of you know Apple's favorite
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thing machine learning where if you keep
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talking about the trash it should
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eventually like learn or ask you when
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your actual trash day is and you should
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be able to say increasingly offhand and
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casual things which result in the
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correct being reminded at the correct
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time because it has some context in
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history about what you've done in the
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past we're not asking for how bind
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thousand here I think all this is within
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the grass but it's the stuff that
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probably Google probably already knows
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about us from like monitoring all our
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activities through its various
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applications and stuff I
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I would love for those systems to get
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just a little tiny bit smarter so Marco
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how long until you write your own is
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really what we all want to know that is
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not an unreasonable question it would be
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totally my style to get upset with all
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the options and just write my own but
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honestly I don't think that's going to
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happen I you know there's first of all
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there's limited time in the day and it's
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a little bit of a crowded market perhaps
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honestly it well it isn't because
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there's only so many they're actually
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problem is that for this is kind of a
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similar problem that that that you know
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John Gruber and Brent Simmons and Dave
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whiskas had with Vesper yeah is that to
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enter this market in a competitive way
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that's that's useful to a lot of people
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you really need to be on like all of the
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Apple platforms at once at launch and
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that's really hard for any India to do
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these days like I'm not gonna use as do
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a to-do app that is not on my Mac and my
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iPhone and my iPad and a lot of people
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are also gonna need a watch app that's
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getting really like the barrier is just
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so high that it is certainly possible
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for people to do it and there's gonna be
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certainly some people who are totally
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fine to have it say only on their phone
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That's not me and that's not it's not
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many people unfortunately and so in
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order to make a good to do a that's
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actually competitive you really need to
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launch on all those platforms at once
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and that's just really a massive amount
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of work that I don't think I'm ever
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not only the bandwidth to do but also
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like I don't have the passion for this
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market at all I'm happy to use these
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apps and talk about them once on a
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podcast for 30 minutes but I really
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don't think I'm going to fall in love
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with to do app systems and suddenly want
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to make my own enough to actually be
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willing to devote the massive amount of
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time it would take to make apps for all
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these platforms to make it actually
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so another this actually reduces the
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amount of work but it does is a novel
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approach to reducing the apparent
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footprint on all the different platforms
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is the approach that I think I think
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Google is taking this approach I'm sure
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other apps have done it as well where
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you decide that the problem you're
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solving well you know whatever ever is
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to do laptops or whatever you're going
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to implement that entirely server-side
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and with some smart somewhere right and
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that the interface to those smarts will
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be something that is not directly
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connected with a task so in the Google
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in Google's case like I forget what is
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it was it a low or something like they
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basically had a chat app it's bubbles of
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text it's you versus the thing you're
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communicating with and that chat app can
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be used to chat with any person or thing
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there's nothing in the chat app that is
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specific to the problem so you if you
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have the chat app on all the different
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is on your watch it's on your phone it's
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on your Mac or whatever you just write
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that chat app once and then what you're
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conversing with is a series of
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intelligent agents that know how to do
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certain kinds of things and so then you
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implement your to-do app entirely
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server-side and then when you want to do
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your next app which is like you know a
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shopping list it's the same sort of
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interface with the chat type thing or
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speaking or whatever like getting
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getting closer to the idea of not
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looking at pictures and screens and
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poking in them but they're having sort
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of an assistant in helps you with things
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obviously writing the assistant is much
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harder even harder than writing an
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application for all the different
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platforms but that is it's an
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interesting approach to these kinds of
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problems where you're never gonna make
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one user interface or one way of
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organizing that works best but if you
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can make one kind of reasonably fake
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intelligent agent that learns based on
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your habits in some reasonable way it
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could be you know it could be a better
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actually a better experience to be able
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to go back and forth the thing with over
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text invoice and eventually it's sort of
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like having your own very primitive
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personal assistant who in the beginning
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doesn't really know how you like things
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done but eventually learns and that
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could be better than any really nice
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interface that you make on all the
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different platforms and potentially
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easier to maintain because once you've
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mastered that interface whether it's
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faceless talking or just like a chat
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type interface you don't need to revisit
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that that much another angle I
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considered when I when I was thinking
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like should I make my own one of these
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or not is that the reminders like we've
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seen a lot of apps over the last couple
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years that are basically like better
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interfaces to the built-in Apple
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calendar fantastical is number one and
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it's been and I use phantastic owl for
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all of my event entry on the Mac but I
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still use calendar for the for the
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browsing of it but I use for the Xcode
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for entry it's wonderful iCal or rather
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calendar does have a somewhat
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fantastical like natural language entry
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field in recent versions of OS 10 sorry
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if Mac OS but it's not nearly as good so
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I don't use it but the same API exists
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reminders database so one way someone
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could tackle this market I don't know if
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anybody has really in a serious way but
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you could just make a nicer interface to
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the built-in reminders database I don't
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know what the limitations that would be
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I'm sure it's not gonna be nearly as
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full-featured as if you make your own
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database and run your own service but
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that is one way you could do this where
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like if you first just tackle like just
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the Mac first or just iOS first with our
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really nice interface to the reminders
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database maybe that's the way you could
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do it more incrementally but again this
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is not this is not a market that I feel
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passionate enough about to spend my time
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on and unfortunately if you wanted to be
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differentiated in this market which I
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still think is crowded yes there are the
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good ones but there is such a long tail
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of mediocre to bad ones that someone
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somewhere loves right I'm sure because
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the tail is so long that someone has
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already done this but when you were
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talking about and when other people talk
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about these a million to do apps and how
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they do one thing you like but not some
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other thing or whatever I'm always
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reminded of the calculator Construction
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Set sorry about Steve Jobs worth the
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calculator app wasn't quite to his
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liking and the developer was tired of
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hearing him say you know this should be
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like that it just basically made away
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here's Steve you can arrange the buttons
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and size them and like you build the
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calculator that you want so instead of a
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to-do app maker you say well this person
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says they want this but that person said
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they always want that and they want this
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too many demands here you make the to-do
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app you want so if you can make it to do
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app construction kit there was an app
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that gave you the tools to build the app
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that you wanted I mean that maybe that's
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what I'm the focus is and that's what
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marco was recoiling from because it was
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just too darn complicated but I think
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army focus does have at least some point
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of view about what you're doing but if
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you really made a construction kit for
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to do apps where and again I started
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thinking of agents like I don't want to
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get him to a program really quick and
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that just narrows your market to nothing
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cuz no one wants to even do some kind of
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simple programming but if I could
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converse with the application and
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negotiate how things are gonna work you
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know do you want me to remind you once
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you do you always want you me to keep
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reminding you like then the nagging
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thing the case he was talking about you
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know most of the time what do you want
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okay do you want to see all the things
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that are coming up and today or dress
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the things that are due in the next time
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window or like just
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sort of go through the process of
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building the app it's view again that
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would be astronomically hard to make but
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I think it would be I'm assuming it
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would be relatively novel in the market
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because having heard many many dozens of
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hours if people saw you about to do
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absent podcast I have yet to hear
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someone say I tried this construction
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kid and it was terrible so if it doesn't
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guess maybe it's so far in the long tail
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and no one's even seen it we respond to
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roar Locker what a great name roar
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that's amazing what what parent decides
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to name their child roar and why didn't
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anyway he or she writes kc do you miss
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this C sharp and dotnet development
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stack I'm taking my computer engineer
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Bachelor degree and I must say that I
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enjoy very much I also like c-sharp much
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better than Swift although I've spent
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more time coding in Swift maybe I'm just
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feeling in Xcode versus Visual Studio
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effects so I miss c-sharp and that's
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ed dotnet is fine whatever
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like it's good I guess but to me it's
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just a vehicle to give me C sharp
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I do miss C sharp I love Swift I really
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honestly do love Swift
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I like Swift quite a lot but C sharp
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does I've probably said this before on
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the show C sharp does a stunningly good
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job of being all things to all people if
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you want to write sort of kind of
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functional programming and yes I'm aware
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that there's f sharp but like if you
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want to get halfway to functional
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programming you can do that with C sharp
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if you want to write kind of basic
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boring procedural stuff you can do that
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with C sharp if you want to write super
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object-oriented stuff you can do that
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with C sharp and I know that the C sharp
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is not the only language that all this
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applies to I'm waiting for John to jump
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in and talk about pearl but C sharp does
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a really good job of being just about
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anything to anyone and I do miss xishi
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sharp a lot I am I don't really mind X
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code which means one of a couple things
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it means either I'm still a noob which
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is possible it means either I just
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haven't been burned by it which is semi
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true or it means I'm an idiot which is
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possible as well but in the same way
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that everyone else seems to complain and
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moan about X code like I don't really
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mind it and maybe it's because Visual
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Studio well great in many ways is
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aesthetically an assault on my eyes and
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Xcode for all of its faults Xcode does
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one thing very well and that's be very
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very pretty Marco you said something
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earlier about you know hey I'm a Mac
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user and I'm an apple person so I like
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things to be pretty or well designed I
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forget how you phrased it earlier but
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yeah it's it's that right like Xcode is
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painful in some ways but a it is and
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forever will be better than eclipse
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don't email me and B it is it is not
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that bad in my personal opinion now if
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you want to talk about
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Swift like code completion what is its
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source kit is that what I'm thinking of
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like source kit is at an utter disaster
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but Xcode itself it's not bad and I like
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it and do I miss Visual Studio no not
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and holy hell do I not miss anything
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related to Windows nothing about Windows
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is something I miss or long for I am so
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unbelievably thankful to be off Windows
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I cannot even verbalize it I am so
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thankful to be away from that so I miss
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C sharp net whatever it's something that
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gives me C sharp Visual Studio me
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windows hell no I don't miss it
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right David steer asks the next time you
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discuss single versus multi thread
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processing would it be possible to give
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it a couple of real-world examples of
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tasks or applications that perform
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better in each process I love the show
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but a mother technical and sometimes I
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struggled to and sometimes struggled to
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give context to your discussions trying
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to figure out exactly what is being
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asked here because one way to read it is
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like what types of things benefit from
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multiple threads and that's getting into
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the Marco zone of like look if you're
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doing this type of task and you got a
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10-car Mac Pro you'll see a big benefit
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a Mac Pro but if you're doing this kind
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of task you're not going to see a
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benefit because it's not you know it
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doesn't use multiple cores and the and
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which tests those are really depends on
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a lot of factors including just like
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what the application is like I think
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Final Cut Pro 10 wasn't particularly
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strong at multi-threading until recently
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so but that doesn't mean video
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processing does or doesn't benefit
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the other way to think about this
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question is they're asking like what
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makes something a problem to which you
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can apply some parallelism beyond like
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you know any kind of parallelism or like
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degrees of parallelism I think that's I
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think that's probably closer to the
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answer so I'm going to try to give a
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non-technical explanation it's best I
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can do this so doing stuff in parallel
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requires a problem where you can break
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it up into pieces and that the pieces
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don't have dependencies between them or
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have a lot of dependencies between the
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obvious example that comes up a lot is
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almost anything having to do with
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graphics processing where you've got a
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lot of dots on your screen and for the
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most part dots may depend on their
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neighboring dots but they don't depend
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on the dots way over at the other side
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so if you're taking an entire image and
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blurring it you can break that image up
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into a bunch of smaller pieces dole out
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those pieces to a bunch of things that
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are gonna work on them all at the same
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time and then put the pieces back
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together at the end lots of graphics
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cards do exactly that for you know
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tiling processing but in general just
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the giant array of pixels
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they are worked on as much as possible
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in parallel by your graphics card
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there's probably a Wikipedia page on
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this expression but there is a term of
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art in the computer science world called
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embarrassingly parallel problems where
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it is so easy to parallel eyes because
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you can break it up and do as many
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chunks is you want and there are a lot
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of chunks and so it's like look if you
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gave me a million processors this
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problem is embarrassingly parallel I
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could break it up into a million pieces
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and do them all at once and it would be
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a million times faster than doing them
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one at a time right you know assuming
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the thing is processes at the same time
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so whether something performs in
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parallelize is based on sort of the
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nature of the problem there are problems
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that you can't do in parallel because
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the to do step one to do step two you
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need the answer from step one to do step
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three you need the answer for step two
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so you can't break you can't do steps
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one two and three all at the same time
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and so that's the high level computer
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size the explanation you can apply your
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basic reasoning about things to try to
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discover whether a particular problem
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you're having is parallelizable in any
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way is it embarrassingly parallel
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or is it generally serial by nature but
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that's when we get into the complexity
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is like well this problem is
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parallelizable say mp3 encoding but it
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turns out the mp3 encoder I have doesn't
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do anything in parallel it just does it
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from the beginning to the end and that's
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where marco said well I can it's not
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embarrassingly parallel but I can break
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this audio track up into five pieces and
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encode all five at the same time
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and then put the five pieces back
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together and now I've done it five times
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faster right you can't break it up into
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a billion pieces because at a certain
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point you're doing I don't know what the
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size is Marco would know if like a
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single frame or whatever that 1,200
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yeah like there there is some you know
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some unit size that beyond which you
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don't get any benefit but that's an
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example where the problem itself is
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parallelizable but the but you can say
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if I buy a faster computer my mp3
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encoding will be faster not if you're
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using an unparalleled mp3 encoder it
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won't so it gets a little bit
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complicated okay see you want to try a
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different angle yeah so what I've been
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working on lately is this thing where I
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have a folder full of photographs right
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or there may be live photos so it's a
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photograph in and a movie and I want to
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file them away in a particular way and
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what I've run into is some of this is
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parallelizable and some of the some of
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it is not so if you think about it
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anytime that I have a any photo that
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doesn't share a date so if for example
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on on today which is the 7th of February
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I take only one photograph with my
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iPhone I can without worrying about a
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conflict I can just copy that to where I
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want it to go right because without
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worrying about a conflict with any other
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photos taken from my iPhone I can copy
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it to where I want it to go but if I
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take 15 or if I took 15 photos yesterday
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it's possible that maybe some of those
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were taken at the same hour minute and
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second maybe I did a burst or something
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like that and so some of this is
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paralyzed of parallelizable in some of
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it is not I've met when I was relisting
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last week's episode I meant to talk to
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you more about how you're gonna resolve
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your race condition and how you said my
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thing is bug-free except for the massive
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reason that's not bug free I mean you
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could you could parallelize by day what
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I've what I was trying to explain and I
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think I've done a poor job of it and
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that's why I want it to be cut is that
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if if in the batch of photos that I have
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I have no conflicts in terms of date so
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the hour minute and second is unique all
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of the photos or movies or
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all the media that has a unique hour
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minute and second can be processed in
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parallel so that is to say it may have a
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conflict in the tour in the destination
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but it doesn't have a tart or it doesn't
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have a conflict amongst its peers that
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I'm doing that that are being imported
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that does that make any sense at all so
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it does yeah but I'm honestly I'm kind
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of wondering like does this problem
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benefit from parallelization like it
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seems like it's pretty fast to just dump
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the files serially so here's the thing
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the problem with the the reason I think
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it may benefit from parallelization is
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that there's two different things at
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play number one let's say that I took a
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photo at exactly noon today just for the
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sake of discussion I took a photo at
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exactly noon today and it turns out that
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the destination so my photo repository
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that has every photograph I've ever
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taken also already has by some mechanism
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don't worry about why but let's just say
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it already has a photo that was taken at
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exactly noon today at 12 o'clock at 0
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minutes and 0 seconds one of the things
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that my app is going to do is it is it's
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going to say hey let me take an md5 of
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the source that I'm trying to import and
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of the thing that's already at the
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target and if the md5 is the same then I
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need to take like evasive action so to
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speak so I need to increment the the
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fire I need to add a suffix to the
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imported file name so instead of being
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2018 - o - - o 7 space 12 - oo - oo the
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imported file will be all of that with
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an A at the end the letter A at the end
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because they're two different files well
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if you're doing that across a whole
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bunch of files at once which presumably
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I am that may be well-served to be
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parallelized because on an average
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modern processor you have at least two
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if not four or six or eight or ten or
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twelve or 18 cores which are all working
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simultaneously to solve problems and so
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it makes sense to split this same kind
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of operation across all or at least some
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where it doesn't make sense to split it
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is if I have multiple pictures that were
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taken at 12 o'clock in 0 seconds because
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then I can get into this race condition
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that I found earlier which is to say the
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the the first photo that I'm processing
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looks at the target and says oh there's
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nothing there and starts the copy the
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second photo that I'm processing looks
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at the target and says oh there's
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nothing there and tries to start the
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copy but then they collide with each
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other and that's the problem that I was
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running into before and that's in I'm
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solving it now by parallelizing anything
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that doesn't have an internal conflict
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because even if it has a conflict at the
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target that's fine it doesn't matter I
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can still parallelize it but if it has
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an internal conflict then then then I
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have a problem and so anything that
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doesn't have an internal conflict can be
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parallelized anything that has an
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internal conflict will be serialized so
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what if you in parallel read the input
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files get there get whatever date and
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timestamp buckets they belong to and
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stuff all that into an array then in
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then serially just have a thing run
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through that array look for the
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conflicts resolve them and do all the
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renaming serially because like that's
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gonna be like that's gonna be so fast
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anyway like you're really just relying
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on the file system speed at that point
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yes but no but the thing that I haven't
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mentioned and I have made I I alluded to
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this earlier than never actually put a
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period on the sentence the thing that I
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haven't mentioned is that my target for
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all of these image and also movie files
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my target is actually my Synology so
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it's not the local file system I have to
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crawl across the network to do all of
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these check sums and to figure out if
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these files are identical or not and
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some of these video setup that I'm
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taking I mean like like five or ten
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minutes of 4k video off the iPhone is
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multiple gigabytes so if it a rename
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should be quick right isn't that what a
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well you could import it somewhere first
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then do a rename later it really fast
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yes but what again what I'm what my
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process is that I'm saying hey I found a
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identically named file at the
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destination which in my case happens to
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be a Synology so I need two MD
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five both the local file that is on my
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remote file that's on the Synology and
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parallelized it's the the what I worry
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card that we're all taken at twelve
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o'clock in 0 seconds that's what I need
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to do it serially because otherwise I
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run into a situation where I say oh just
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the target that makes sense but so but
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like what when when something is slow in
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like the transfer bandwidth of the SD
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card or the network protocol for really
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whatever like I dis paralyzing those
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actually get you anything or is it just
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clog it up and make everything run you
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know like where you can run ten things
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at 1/10 the speed each he's already
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spent more time writing this program
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that he's gonna point out that your race
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condition is like a look canonical race
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condition which is if something's okay
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and then go do the thing and while
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you're going to do the thing something
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that you check was okay is right so my
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suggestion for a strategy for dealing
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with this that doesn't involve
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serializing any portion of it is to use
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what other past technologies have used
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including unix and in this specific case
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access with collision detection it's
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kind of getting it what a marker always
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saying don't do everything in parallel
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you just need some kind of remotely
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atomic operation and even with an ass if
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you can get the stuff on to the nasa and
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do a rename local to the nasa hopefully
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you can get atomic renames and then you
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just try to do your rename and if your
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name fails because the file exists you
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increment it and then you try to do the
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rename again and you do binding
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exponential back-off and you just let
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all the parallel things fight it out and
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because there is no inherent order to
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things that are literally you don't have
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any increased resolution if you did
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you'd put it in the file name right
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there's no inherent order to the new and
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pictures right they're all just new in
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pictures mmm so let me Duke it out you
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no no locks no shared state no wig no
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serialization and you'd be surprised at
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how nicely things terminate because this
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is the network's it tries and if the
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line is busy it weights a little bit and
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tries again if it's still busy awaits a
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little bit longer and tries again and
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everything works yeah but there is a bit
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of an inherent order right because the
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source file name is like IMG underscore
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1 1 1 1 IMG underscore 1 are you tell me
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about that so why aren't you using that
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as your tiebreaker
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yeah wait you have sequential name from
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the in the source that doesn't that
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totally solve your problem well that's
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why I'm running the collision that the
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potential collision stuff serially
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that's exactly why I'm running it
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serially so I'm guaranteed you've
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already got you you've already got a
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unique unique a fire that you'll never
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have a collision because you've got the
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date you're doing the import and you've
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got a sequence number
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yeah what's what's the problem he
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doesn't want to put two dates in the
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final menses problem it's too much too
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much of an aesthetic is this happening
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in these file names there no you're
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right because I want it to be you know
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I've never run into a situation when
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that's a problem but I understand your
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point and there's another another bug
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free program that you'll never be more
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than 26 conflicts you sir you are why I
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will never open source yes when the
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iPhone 15 shoots shoots like you know 30
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frame per second burst photos you're
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gonna have a problem I think the problem
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is that you're not an old and crusty
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enough programmer is always fine and I'm
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like do we need to use unsigned 256 bit
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source code to like one of those Bitcoin
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were literally using like that I'd never
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seen it in like seed like the the you
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256 type for like for one of their
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values because they're like 64 bits is
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not enough we need 200 expensive
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unsigned precision for this value like
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AB you are really future proofing this
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thing that will be gone in two years not
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not Bitcoin just some other random I I
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so moving on so where do we leave this
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cuz John you did exactly what you were
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supposed to do which is give it over to
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me and then I completely ruined it
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I tried but I think that we have that
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question has been addressed to the best
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that we can do in a ski teepee style
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segment really you should you'll be able
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to talk about it with Mike when you do
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like your computer science e-learning
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stuff if that even that even keeps on
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and wait a second since when did you
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ever listen to analog I know you do from
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time to time but I am vaguely aware of
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many podcasts like you're my dad the
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best way to characterize my current
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podcast listening which is very spotty
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and diffuse no I was doing that I know I
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so Thomas no switz saw or something like
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that writes have any of you ever tried
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meditation please discuss no I have
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never tried meditation John I'm pretty
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sure no I might have done something no
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you have lots of things qualify as
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meditation and I'm sure as a teenager I
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probably did one of those things that
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was called sleeping thing that was
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called zoning out no no anyway I'm gonna
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say no that no is the quick answer I too
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have not tried anything III have a vague
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concept of the kinds of things you're
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supposed to do I I kind of want to try
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it someday but it's never been more than
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like a passing notion like that for me I
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was hoping one of us had done that's why
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I put this question in there's like
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surely one of us has tried meditation
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but nope we've just heard podcast about
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it you know what I really want to do I
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really want to get a hypnotized sometime
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because I think that's bogus I think
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it's a bunch of malarkey and I don't
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think it's real but I want to start
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smoking so then you can try to get
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hypnotized to stop oh my god
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now we're gonna hear from so many people
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about everything that just happen
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we're gonna hear from listen we just
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haven't tried meditation but we just
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helped the truth I don't really say
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anything bad about meditation Casey said
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bad things about hypnotism yeah
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we're gonna hear from the meditation
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people the smoking people the hypnotists
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people who have been hypnotized
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allegedly more like we're gonna hear
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from all of those people now I think you
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might hear from the hypnotize people but
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you won't hear were smokers who's gonna
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object to the joke about smoking
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hypnotism you'd be surprised
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hypnotists I don't know it helps some
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people quit smoking if that's the goal
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does it work did it help you quit
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smoking sure yeah I suppose it doesn't
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really matter yeah you just have to if
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you believe it works and it actually
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helps you quit smoking great like stand
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on your head whatever works don't smoke
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kids it's terrible now the show is over
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they didn't even mean to begin as it was
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accidental oh it was accidental johnny
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research Margo and Casey wouldn't let
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because it was accidentally was
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accidental you can find the show notes
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love Michaela to death she is adorable
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and she is my precious little angel yet
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if she doesn't learned how to sleep I'm
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going to go insane she's brand new like
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this is like this takes a while usually
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I am extremely lucky to I've had one
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child let alone two I cannot believe my
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good fortune that I have had two so far
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healthy children either one of them
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could have been unhealthy or had some
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sort of physical ailment that would have
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been really unfortunately in so many
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ways I am extremely lucky but in the
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heat of the moment it's funny how you
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kind of forget that I'm so miserable so
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how long are the usual sleep stretches
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at night between two and a half and
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three and a half hours now it's not you
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which is not terrible but is not great
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and to be fair the funniest part of this
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is that Aaron hasn't really woken me up
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deliberately to help with the nighttime
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stuff in like a week so I am being this
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much of a baby and all I'm doing is
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getting woken up when I hear the cry and
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then going right back to roll over
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no this is true this is how ridiculous
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men are you're really not having a good
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showing right now oh no I know I'm fully
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aware of this a hundred percent and
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maybe I shouldn't maybe I should not all
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men myself but like okay I mean all men
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cannot feed i cannot feed Mikayla I
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don't have the equipment to feed Mikayla
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right but the fact that I'm this much of
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a baby after being woken up like John
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said by a bunch of like oh yeah oh geez
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we gotta wake up earlier to go to work
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in the morning right oh right
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every part of this is B being but I'm
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the biggest baby in the house a for me
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look I can help you with two liquids
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vodka and coffee I will let you decide
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when to apply each one to the baby these
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both go into you at different time don't
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do at the same time it's a bad idea and
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early may not appreciated you doing
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things that she can't yeah that's also
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part of it but but you know if if you
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being a little bit happier and a little
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bit more functional turns into you being
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a little more helpful unless of a baby
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she might appreciate yeah right so so
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yeah this you know obviously this is a
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hard time for anybody it is it is it
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could be so much worse like I don't
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think that Mikayla is is to the point of
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being having colic I don't know what the
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right right phrasing is but she is very
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fussy for a lot of the day but I would
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not go to go so far as to say that she
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is like you know Alex was or anything
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like that like she is she is manageable
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but horrible Alex by comparison John's
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eldest was from everything I've been
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told indescribable bad in a way you'll
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know you're reached Alex level when you
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find yourself bringing your baby to a
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chiropractor oh yeah no no no not even
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in the baby is it in constant pain is it
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filled with spice I'm going to go to a
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quack non-doctor
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anything scan my baby is it filled with
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bees like we will try anything that has
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is there a spell on my baby colic is one
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of those words it means nothing - it's
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that means you're busy cries oh yeah
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that's something like I recognize that
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I'm being the biggest baby in the world
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I I mean that you're doing something
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hard right like it's for anybody even
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even for like the weak baby men it's
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having a new infant in the house that
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you're caring for is a lot of work and
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it's hard on everybody so you know you
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don't need to belittle yourself over
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that it's hard for everybody it's not
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constructive or useful to get into like
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trying to outdo each other of like oh
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well it's hard for me well it's hard for
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me to like don't worry about that like
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that's not constructive it's hard for
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everybody it's hard for you it's hard
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for Aaron it's hard for Mikayla it's
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probably hard for Declan to like it's
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hard for everyone second sleeping like a
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baby so to speak thankfully misery feels
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like unfair it's like oh come on you
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can't wake the other one up we did all
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the work like it's everyone it's a hard
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time for everyone so the best thing you
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can do is just try to be as functional
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and useful as you can and try to add as
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little drama and problems as possible to
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the situation that is already very hard
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on everybody so whatever you need to do
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to do that do that so if that's coffee
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sometimes I'm vodka some other times
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fine keep it under control but if
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otherwise fine like you know if it just
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like cuz like that's the most helpful
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thing you can do right now for everyone
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including yourself is to try to make
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yourself useful and to try to not get
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bogged down by the hardships and drama
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of this although like wait you were
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trying to remind yourself how lucky you
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are which is a place that parents often
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go to try and I found a perhaps more
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successful method is to remind yourself
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in it you should have an easy time for
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this to remind yourself this this will
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pass like they don't stay they don't
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stay babies forever like you you can do
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it you have done it and this will pass
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and I find I personally find that much
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more comforting than trying to remind
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because that's like okay another night
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off the chalkboard like the kid is
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getting older this he's he or she is not
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going to be three months old forever yes
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literally earlier tonight as we were
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I sent the following text to Aaron but
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in the same way nobody goes to college
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in diapers she will eventually learn to
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sleep that's a big one with potty
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training is the other time you remind
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yourself most kids are not thirty and
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still going in the diaper it's gonna
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happen I remember reminding Marco of
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that remember but now it's done like
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it's it's totally like it's it's kind of
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surprising like you know it seems like
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you're doing it forever and then one day
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it just kind of just you're past it it
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just happens that he's probably not
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gonna go off to college with diapers
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exactly and it seems like when you're in
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it it seems like it's never gonna end
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and you're like oh my god what is the
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chiropractor yeah I know but the reality
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you know get through it keep yourself
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and your family healthy and as happy as
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like I'm not saying you have to go to
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the extreme I'm going to like your your
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local neighborhood like psychic or
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Exorcist but you bring up all the issues
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with the doctor because some babies have
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reflux and there's all sorts of
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they can they can help and so you might
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you should exhaust those right just
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maybe don't go the step further and
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start you know being totally desperate
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you know from having a kid before you
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know that things are hard for a while
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there's new challenges that arise but
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like whatever you know whatever
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challenge you're in it eventually ends
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and then you know so you get to move on
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and that's just a thing that becomes
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automatic now it's nice so like
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eventually she will sleep and it won't
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be that big of a problem and it's it
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might happen next week or it might take
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two years or more likely somewhere in
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between and it you know you know it's
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coming it's gonna be hard until it gets
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here but you did it once before you can
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you are a human you are an adult you can
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do hard things like also you don't have
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a choice yeah this is like I am very
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happy and I'm sure underscore will be -
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to teach you how to use coffee it's
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wonderful faces so many way or at least
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it improves so much of this like there's
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a reason why coffee is so popular this
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is a thing I don't know if you heard
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about it in the world but it really does
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Tiny's Drive kids but it's nice it helps
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Syracuse let me down if his beloved
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Accord could be had with a stick with
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anything other than cloth and basically
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no other options I would have won all
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seats are great were you talking about
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people love to get really fancy
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expensive luxury cars with cloth seats
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because there's so much better than
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leather you know what's awesome static
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in the winter when you rub against them
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you get static I live in the winter
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place I don't have static and quasi
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that's fine all right no but that is a
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thing of people wanting cloth seats in
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their luxury sporty cars because they
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grip you better right and also there how
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could rip you better that makes no sense
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leather is not literally sticky but kind
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of sort of sleeve you do kind of slide
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on leather when it's cold but if you
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better in this summer they caught the
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cloth seats no it's funny because I've
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been talking to a couple other friends
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of mine this is the one that had the r32
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and previously before that the m3 the 96
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m3 and he's the one that suggested both
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the legacy in the 335 so I really should
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never trust him about any car ever
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and he's also suggested the go far by
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the way but anyway I was talking to him
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and another friend of ours about how you
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know I really want to go far but I
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really want a sunroof like I really
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really really don't like not having a
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and then oh you know you wouldn't even
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mousse it you wouldn't even know and I
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feel like that's sort of kinda the
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conversation we're having now you don't
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even know you you have no cloth seats
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and forever clothes teach a better
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burger well as attorney wouldn't miss
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cloth seats I'm just saying the stack is
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not as big a problem as he thinks it is
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especially now I would take cloth seats
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before I'd lose my son
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that's an interesting question actually
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I think I agree I think I agree like
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leather is just making you like feel
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luxurious and having a nice smell right
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but leather in terms of just what it
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feels like to sit in it is not like the
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Holy Grail is cloth seats with seat
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heaters which almost nobody makes
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because then you're like oh I have if I
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want to get seat heaters I have to get
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leather right ahead of them in my Accord
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my nobody makes that these days because
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basically once you go to seat heaters
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you also get like the leather package
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right because it seems luxurious leather
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you know whether or fake leather yeah I
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don't really I don't draw a lot like a
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line between those two I think like
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there's fake leather is so good these
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days that it doesn't really matter which
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one I have I don't even notice really
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all I know is to go back a half step you
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know my friends were saying oh you you
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don't even know you wouldn't even miss
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the sunroof in the Gulf are you you did
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before I do be fine well as it turns out
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my legacy GT that I had before the 335
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it was something to the order of $3,000
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to get basically two options and that
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was leather and a sunroof and I bought
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the legacy because my then car a 300zx
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wouldn't stay on the road sound familiar
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at all and it couldn't stay on the road
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because it was always in the shop and so
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I bought the the Legacy GT after having
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been employed as a real adult for like
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literally a month or two months or
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something like that which is to say I
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was friggin broke and $3,000 would have
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destroyed me financially like truly even
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like over the course of you know the
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four or five or probably even have a six
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year car loan I was so broke at the time
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but whatever it was like that $3,000 yes
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I understand it was only like ten or
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twenty or thirty dollars a month but if
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that would have ruined me truly it
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really would have ruined me so I didn't
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get it and I had that car for like eight
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years I had it from oh four to twenty
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twelve yeah I was eight years and every
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single day in the spring summer and fall
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where it wasn't actively precipitating I
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hated not having a sunroof I hated to
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marco's point not having leather less
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but I hated that too and so I can tell
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both of you not that you're really
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arguing with me but I can tell both of
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you and my two other
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friends with with confidence that yes I
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have lived the non sunroof life and I
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have lived the not leather life and it
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sucks and I don't want to go back but my
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leather I just I don't I don't like
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cloth and that's like such a thing to
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say it just it feels so not nice because
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there's a wide variability in cost these
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cloths disease just basically means not
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whether or not pretending to be those
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very wide variability in whether it's
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fuzzy or like stitched or you know all
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sorts of different textures and and
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patterns and all that other stuff I'm
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wondering what you missed other than the
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that it feels more luxurious because
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we've been trained to think leather is
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fancier I think it was just that I mean
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even the Saturn that I had the infamous
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Saturn where the wheel fell off even
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that head like I'm serious I swear to
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God why I'm surprised you were like the
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only person who has like this is gonna
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let their insider like do you know what
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kind of car you're getting like it's a
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lot of people have been saying in fact
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even in the chat room just moments ago
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Tim underscore underscore was saying the
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same thing a lot of people have been
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saying why are you even considering a
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golf are why not get a GTI you can get a
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GTI with sunroof it is not that much
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slower what is wrong with you why
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wouldn't you do that and my answer has
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always been twofold one I would want the
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best of what I was getting if at all
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possible because that's kind of who have
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to come I'll blame that on Marco but
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it's kind of always been a bit of me any
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yeah come on that's like saying like oh
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I drink and I become mature like no
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you're just a jerk or when you drink
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like it's like this has always been
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inside of you it's true but I don't know
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but I would want why I would want the
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fastest one and I would want the
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quote-unquote best one and that's why I
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think I would prefer the R plus in my
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experience which admittedly admittedly I
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have not driven a front-wheel drive car
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and I don't know 15 years or something
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like that but I in the past have never
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particularly enjoyed driving front-wheel
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drive cars actually that's not true
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Aran's Mazda was front-wheel drive and
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although I didn't drive it regularly I
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did not like the feeling when I drove it
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it just felt like the front wheels were
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doing too much I didn't care for it and
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the GTI is front-wheel drive now with
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that said my understanding of the GTI is
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that it actually has like a limited slip
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differential up front which is weird and
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kind of like the Dodge SRT 4 from back
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in the day but anyway all of this is to
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ask the question do you think you guys
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would if you were if I told you you had
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to buy a Golf R or a GTI which I know
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John you're gonna blow this predicament
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out of the water someway somehow but if
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you had to choose between one of those
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two cars do you think you would enter
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Tom entertain the front-wheel-drive GTI
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that has a sunroof or do you think you
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would have to go all-in on the Golf R I
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would keep saying like oh there are is
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the best quote-unquote best but it's
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clear that you really want a sunroof so
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it's not the best for you yeah like the
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amount of time I would imagine you would
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enjoy a sunroof was greater than the
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amount of time you would enjoy it being
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rear-wheel drive or whatever all-wheel
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drive but yes I'm with you in principle
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dad why do you gotta use your logic on
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me because you just you're just cruising
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down the road at 1530 miles an hour
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you're enjoying the sunroof on a sunny
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day and you're only enjoying the
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slightly different driving dynamics when
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you're driving hard which is weightless
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you haven't been in the car with me in a
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long time have you but anyway I
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understand your point you should drive
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more safely look you're talking to
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people who have Volkswagen things and
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they're gonna want to sell you while
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storing things does everybody always
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wants to convince other people to buy
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what they bought so keep in mind though
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that that is their perspective like you
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know I'm telling you first I told you
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you should buy a BMW because I bought
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one now yeah then I'm telling you should
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buy a Tesla because I bought like that
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John's telling you to buy an AK or
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because he bought one you know part of
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this is to value their own purchase as
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part of it is because whatever thought
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process led us to make the choices for
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ourselves it's natural to apply the same
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processes to to you the reality is
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though that when you like you're bending
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over backwards trying to get some GTI
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like vehicle to fit what you actually
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want but it sounds like they just don't
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make one that is what you actually want
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and that's a totally fine answer like
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the answer I think just is they don't
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make what you want so therefore this is
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not the right car family for you and you
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should look at other things that might
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be so in conclusion I need to buy
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Wrangler one of the two choices ut TIRR
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I picked one mark was like
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oh you should get some told it was the
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question I have a specific point of that
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question was seeing if he should value
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all-wheel drive over the sunroof I'm
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with John I think you would probably
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enjoy the sunroof more but I think
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ultimately neat none of these Volkswagen
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small you know hatchback things are
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actually what you want so you shouldn't
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really it like this is kind of a
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pointless exercise because you shouldn't
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really be considering any of them unless
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what you want completely doesn't exist
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by anybody but that's not true there's
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lots of there's lots of cars that well
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not Lots but there are some cars that
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you would enjoy more that are from other
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brands and that maybe you are not you
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know considering because you don't think
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you should like in the case of your SUV
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envy but you know where your friends
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will accept you for whoever you are but
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like you know maybe it's because you
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don't want to pay the price or you're
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mad at BMW like with the m3 or Tesla
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with the price but like these caught
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like the cars you're looking at or not
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for you because every choice you have in
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that lineup has some kind of severe
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downside that you really don't like I
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know there's a kilise it's Achilles
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heels all the way down right so
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therefore none of them are the right car
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for you and that's okay I know I know
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you should be test driving these cars
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though like you always like to talk
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about them in Hemet just go test drive
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them just like is you don't cost me
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anything test drive them in
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coincidentally I might have a little bit
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of time outside the house just by myself
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tomorrow maybe and I've been debating I
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probably won't because I'm gonna want to
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come back and save Aaron but I've been
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debating going to Volkswagen dealer and
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oh that's right that's why I wasn't
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gonna do it because I've looked at their
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inventory and it's garbage but I was
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kicking around the idea of going to the
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Volkswagen dealer and driving a GTI just
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to try it and if there's any part of
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this segment that Marco you leave in the
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show would you please leave the
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following I am aware of the kia stinger
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it looks very nice well not
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aesthetically aesthetically whatever
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exactly aesthetically it's I'm aware of
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this car you keep telling me about it's
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ugly it's not beautiful but I understand
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it ticks a lot of the the checkboxes
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that I'm interested in except everyone
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seems to be forgetting that it's to
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peddle only and if I'm going to go for a
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to pedal car I'm going to go all in
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and do something like Tesla or really
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make my life miserable and get the the
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Julia Quadrifoglio or something along
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those lines I'm not gonna get a Kia and
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get a to pedal Kia it's not happening
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you're giving up so much by going by
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dropping the clutch that you better be
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getting something amazing every day
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exactly no truly like I completely agree
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with you I could not have said it better
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and that's that's the thing and ladies
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Car and Driver the kiyose thing are tied
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with the BMW 430 I X Drive Grand Sport
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grand coupe it's a giant long name it
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was like fastback it's hard I talked
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about the Kia stinger for a second place
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in a three car race so they were both
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massively behind the winner which was
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the Audi a5 so what is the thing is how
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far BMW is fallen because I used to
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routinely win these matchups by a wide
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margin now it's way behind by not just
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you know a couple they have a point
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system not as a couple points yeah and W
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has lost their way
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yeah like any any comparison to the the
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F 30 and Beyond generation of BMW 3 and
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4 Series has to have the disclaimer that
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like yeah but these are way worse than
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made up you used to be so like yeah kia
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has reached the level of BMW in BMWs
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degraded state or I forget oh man so I
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started going to an exercise thing with
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dip and the trainer used some amazing
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euphemism to describe my physical state
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they're like a key astanga marga
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I think it was oh it was my my D
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conditioned state like a battery even
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deaconess you know yeah it's like which
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is hilarious cuz like it like that
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implies that I was at one time
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conditioned which was never the case did
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you show them your mouse and trackpad
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hands these hands mouse track that all
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day with these I've worked hard for
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these look at how precisely I can double
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click I'm a computer athlete
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click I'm a computer athlete
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but eventually the test-riding becomes
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exactly as much coding as the coding
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does that doesn't sound right
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I know it sounds weird I'm not trying to
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convert you I'm just saying like this is
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the that sounds like it's not math this
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is not the show where we can it's you
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it's not the show where he commits Casey
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to drink coffee when when Marko starts
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writing tests I'll start drinking coffee
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let's make that agreement oh there you
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go now you're gonna make him do it we
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should start with some follow-up and
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Ravis our rights in in a teepee 258
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Casey said he'd rather have Apple
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throttle the iPhone by slowing it down
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and have it shut down due to poor pirate
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battery performance however I assume
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that's being said by someone owning a
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relatively new iPhone that's true you
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should use an older model to really
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understand the issue I have an iPhone 6
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and believe me the slowdown is
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one should not be waiting 10 seconds to
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see an app come up or imagine when you
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see something you want to capture in
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photo or film but it takes ages for the
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camera to launch and you've missed your
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shot the list goes on and on this is a
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serious usability issue for people with
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older iPhones and and they suffer from
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it daily during the whole day now this
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is a completely fair point and Ravi is
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right that I haven't really experienced
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this because in well lately because I've
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always been on the latest and greatest
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phone that being said I believe was
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either my fix for my success and we did
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talk about this on the show at some
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point or another I want to say was my 6s
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would occasionally just shut itself down
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and it whether or not it was the same
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problem because it was a relatively new
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phone at the time and I think it was
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during a generation of phones where they
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did have battery problems if I'm not
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mistaken and you know what the specifics
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of why it happened don't really matter
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but the fact the matter is I had a phone
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where this sort of shutdown was
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happening and I remember vividly that
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there were at least two or three times
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that I was trying to capture something
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that Declan was doing with the foot with
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the phone's camera and it decided to
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shut itself down
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what Rabi seems to forget is that
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booting a phone even a brand new iPhone
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10 is like 15 20 30 seconds or something
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like that that is way worse than waiting
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five to ten seconds for the camera to
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come up which is also terrible don't get
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me wrong I am NOT arguing that that is
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and I can't imagine how tough it would
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be to have every app open after 10
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seconds unequivocally that is trash but
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I would still take that trash over
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having the phone completely shut down
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when I'm trying to capture a picture of
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Declan or now Michaela like no question
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I am still convinced that I would rather
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have throttling than not well the slow
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this little app launch could happen
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every single time whereas the shows not
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only happens once in a while but the
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reason I put this thing and follow up is
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not to debate whether shutdowns are
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worse than slow performance but to
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reiterate again what I think I said on a
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past show which is if your phone is
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doing stuff like really really slow like
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this kind of slow like I literally I
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mean I don't know maybe he's
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exaggerating but if it's literally like
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10 seconds to launch an app and you
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noticed a routine regular app like if
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it's doing things massively so that's
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not throttling that is something else
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that is the mysterious ailment that no
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one has been able to identify that is
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sometimes but not always cured by either
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wiping and restoring from map backup or
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wiping and starting as a new phone why
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is that cure it what does it do I have
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no idea but the throttling is not it's
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going to make it feel slower you know
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for sure but it's not going to make it
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do this tight like even if you cut the
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the clock speed in a quarter it wouldn't
[TS]
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take 10 or 20 seconds to launch an app
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right it's not you know it's it that's
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too much right it would take a quarter
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of the time to launch the app or
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whatever so phones that have these
[TS]
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massive slowdowns or freezes and stuff I
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don't think those are explicable by the
[TS]
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throttling the throttling feels
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different the throttling feels like your
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whole phone is kind of going through
[TS]
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molasses but not these huge things all
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I'm gonna say is that if you're
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encountering one of these problems don't
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merely assume that you're being
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throttled you may have something much
[TS]
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much worse than throttling and what can
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you do about it the only thing I've
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heard of some you know like I said wipe
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wipe and restore from backup or wipe and
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star as a new phone and that may or may
[TS]
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not fix it which is terrible advice I
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don't have anything better I just want
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people to be aware that every problem is
[TS]
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not throttling people people often
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complain about how I bother Apple about
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their software quality and you know well
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it doesn't matter they're very
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successful you know they're moving fast
[TS]
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they're competitive they don't need to
[TS]
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make everything perfect
[TS]
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but part of the reason why this battery
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thing became such a big deal and part of
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the reason why so many people jumped on
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the on you know sometimes even wrong
[TS]
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information about it but but definitely
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sensationalized the the motivations and
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and what was actually happening is
[TS]
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because apples had problems for years
[TS]
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where I OS has weird bugs is not tested
[TS]
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well enough on old phones weird cruft
[TS]
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accumulates with with older phones older
[TS]
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installations like an upgraded sometimes
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you have things like this where you have
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to like restore your phone and that
[TS]
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might fix it like this is all just
[TS]
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problems that that arise from having a
[TS]
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massive amount of technical debt and bad
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software quality that never gets a
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chance to get fixed if Apple had better
[TS]
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software quality and better testing and
[TS]
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better supporting these old devices the
[TS]
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battery gate thing would have been a way
[TS]
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less severe problem the like one of the
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biggest reasons why it looked the way it
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did is because there are so many quality
[TS]
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problems with software on old phones and
[TS]
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people you know Apple basically handed
[TS]
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them on a platter a very good
[TS]
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explanation for why their phones are
[TS]
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this slow that isn't their fault that's
[TS]
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Apple being evil it probably isn't the
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right explanation as John said like I
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think most if most people's phones are
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this slow it's probably not because the
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CPU speed has been cut down by you know
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50 or 60 percent whatever it is like
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this seems like a more severe software
[TS]
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issue but the Apple like for years
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they've been ignoring this kind of
[TS]
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software quality and it bit them really
[TS]
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hard and there's lots of areas like you
[TS]
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things like security where like you know
[TS]
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►
technical debt can really come back and
[TS]
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►
bite you hard maybe they need to really
[TS]
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reconsider their priorities and and how
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much they value and and devote resources
[TS]
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►
to quality of their software and running
[TS]
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a little device especially as opposed to
[TS]
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►
just plowing ahead and giving engineers
[TS]
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►
no time to fix bugs alright Andres
[TS]
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police rights does anyone other than
[TS]
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tech blocker bloggers give a darn about
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smart speakers isn't there a gigantic
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►
market of dumb Bluetooth speakers it
[TS]
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seems that way Oliver you're upright
[TS]
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I seem to be taken over by on an
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unreasonably huge selection of these
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►
devices blah blah blah I'll get a home
[TS]
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►
pod as soon as I can
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I doubt I'll ever say a single word to
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it can't blah blah blah blah middle part
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you're skipping over the important parts
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I didn't put the whole for the love of
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all that's good and holy okay from the
[TS]
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from the middle part don't normal people
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just want a fantastic sounding speaker
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even if it's not the cutting edge of
[TS]
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solving their lazy old white men
[TS]
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►
problems of switching off the mood
[TS]
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lights are turning on their smart
[TS]
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kettles I know I want a great speaker
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that connect seamlessly to my Apple
[TS]
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►
devices so I'll get a home pod as soon
[TS]
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as I can buy dad will ever say a single
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word to it the reason I put this in here
[TS]
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is like so if I had to summarize this
[TS]
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nasai less snarky way it's like
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Bluetooth speakers we all have a
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Bluetooth speaker I bet a lot of people
[TS]
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they're everywhere it's kind of it
[TS]
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becomes sort of the baseline for so you
[TS]
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want a little speaker that's better than
[TS]
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►
your your phone speakers that you can
[TS]
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►
play stuff from your phone or whatever
[TS]
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►
right and he's right there's lots of
[TS]
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►
Bluetooth speakers around so why do you
[TS]
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even need all like what's the deal with
[TS]
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the home pod if it was just a Bluetooth
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speaker wouldn't that be fine who cares
[TS]
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about things you can talk to except for
[TS]
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as he you know puts it like turning on
[TS]
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your mood lighting her your smart tea
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kettles or whatever and he even says
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I'll get one because he wants something
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connected Apple devices by dental or
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assessing a wardrobe i think this falls
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into the same category albeit less i'll
[TS]
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be much more angry as casey wear and i
[TS]
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think we've talked about these before
[TS]
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►
and I want to reiterate to it if it
[TS]
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seems silly that you're talking to your
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speaker no speaker who cares about the
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talking about that seems silly people
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who say that probably have not tried one
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of these things and I know if you
[TS]
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haven't done it it sounds like a froofy
[TS]
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thing but as a technology required to
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make something that works like this goes
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down and I argue it's pretty low already
[TS]
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►
considering you get a little Amazon dot
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that does a pretty good job of
[TS]
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understanding what you're saying the
[TS]
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utility of it will be apparent these
[TS]
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►
things are not popular for no reason so
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I would once again urge everybody if
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you've never had a thing like this that
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you talked to don't immediately dismiss
[TS]
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the idea of talking to it as something
[TS]
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►
that like is a passing fad or a thing
[TS]
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►
that only you rich lazy people do or
[TS]
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►
whatever it is a technology that has
[TS]
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►
utility talking to things is a useful
[TS]
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►
interface in many situations and that's
[TS]
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as time marches on Bluetooth speakers
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that you can't talk to will become less
[TS]
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popular in the same way that like
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►
smartphones that were not iPhones became
[TS]
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less popular because you could do some
[TS]
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►
the same stuff but once you've spoken to
[TS]
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►
something to tell you to play music
[TS]
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►
having to go to your device and flick
[TS]
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►
around in an interface and send the
[TS]
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►
audio to the Bluetooth thing just seems
[TS]
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it doesn't just seem slower it is slower
[TS]
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it is less convene it's a different way
[TS]
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of interacting with things so I would
[TS]
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once again sigh do not do not just miss
[TS]
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talking to cylinders there they're good
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to talk to you know I I understand why
[TS]
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you brought me up earlier I I have mixed
[TS]
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feelings about this but I think even
[TS]
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despite having never had an echo or any
[TS]
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I stumbled because I have couldn't
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remember if that was gonna trigger them
[TS]
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or not despite having never had an echo
[TS]
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in my house I I think to some degree I
[TS]
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understand the draw it's not something I
[TS]
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feel like I need but I do think I
[TS]
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understand it the reason I'm so grumpy
[TS]
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about the home pod is because I want to
[TS]
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be able to shout at my home pod hey you
[TS]
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know cylinder play such-and-such by such
[TS]
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and such artists and in the fact that I
[TS]
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can't do that unless I have either that
[TS]
◼
►
in my library or an Apple music
[TS]
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►
subscription is what bums me out because
[TS]
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as I talked about for a very long time
[TS]
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previously I would like to use Spotify
[TS]
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to do that and yes I am aware that you
[TS]
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►
can do basic controls like you know hey
[TS]
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►
cylinder skip to the next track and it
[TS]
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will work even if your air playing
[TS]
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Spotify like I get that but the whole
[TS]
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point is I want to be able to say hey
[TS]
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cylinder play placed on hold by me math
[TS]
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and I want it to just work without
[TS]
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having to pay Apple for an Apple music
[TS]
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►
subscription this was a more general
[TS]
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this person is more general anger is
[TS]
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like don't normal people what you want
[TS]
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►
just wanted a speaker even if it's not
[TS]
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on the cutting edge of solving your late
[TS]
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►
like it's not your lazy old men problems
[TS]
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►
right and mood lighting and stuff like
[TS]
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that it's not that you're lazy it's like
[TS]
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saying don't know when people just want
[TS]
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to command line so the solving your lazy
[TS]
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►
problems of oh no you're just pointed
[TS]
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the thing on the screen with the mouse
[TS]
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►
and click on it like it's just this sort
[TS]
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of backwards macho thinking that you
[TS]
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►
don't need any fancy thing to do that it
[TS]
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►
should be fine to do it the way
[TS]
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►
we just want a Bluetooth speaker that
[TS]
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►
sounds good you don't need to talk to
[TS]
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things it's like no like people have
[TS]
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tried it and it's it's convenient to
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proven its utility and just because you
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never tried so you have no idea what it
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have utility and doesn't mean everyone
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who's talking to their cylinders or
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their phones or their watches or talking
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to their cars to tell them to call so
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then I think their hands off the wheel
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too you know call home while they're
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those are good user interfaces they do
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not reflect badly on the people who use
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them and people who think that way
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should reconsider some brief feedback
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brief follow-up on my Raspberry Pi music
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player that I discussed last week lots
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of people wrote in to suggest that I try
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something that uses that reads RFID or
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NFC tags and there's a been a number of
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projects that do this one of the best
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ones I've seen is called plastic player
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and and there's a few of the projects
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that were similar where basically you
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have a Raspberry Pi with an NFC reading
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board and you stick NFC stickers to the
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back of some kind of like card or
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something there was also a really
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awesome original NES like it like kind
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of like an NES mini project that
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somebody made that used RFID reading
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cartridges like he would he made like
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little mini versions of old NES
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cartridges in throw them into an old
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mini NES had like the power and reset
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buttons all wired up to actually do
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correct things and it was but in the in
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reality it wasn't playing the games off
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of the cartridges it was playing them
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off of internal memory and the
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cartridges were simply telling it what
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to play and that's how all these RFID
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based music players work - some of them
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play them off a Spotify or something
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some of them play them off of internal
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storage so I started playing with this I
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actually I got a NFC board I was a
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little hesitant at first because they
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were there there don't seem to be any
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kind of like quick little plug-and-play
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boards like the like the sound cards you
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can get some that fit the Raspberry Pi
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hat specification which is like it's
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just like a board that like sticks on
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top of the Raspberry Pi it like with
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like a predefined connector on the on
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the main i/o connector and you just kind
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of stick it on and it stacks on top
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nicely and it's like plug and play and
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it just works pretty easily
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there's none of those 4r
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NFC reading that I could find at least
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none that were maintained so I had to
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get like a different board that required
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me to actually acquire it and then later
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on I soldered some stuff and it was kind
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of fun but and I'm terrible at soldering
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this is the first time I've done it in
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years and still terrible at it but
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slowly getting less terrible anyway so
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now I have one that plays via NFC it's
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just using internal storage and the NFC
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cards that I'm sticking like on the
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reader just play the album and it's
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really nice it's still a little bit in
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progress but I'm really enjoying it so
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far I'm kind of I'm really enjoying this
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crazy little world of making fun crap as
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as you know procrastination when I'm
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waiting for overcast to get through test
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flight beta review or something like
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that it's it's nice and yeah I'm really
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enjoying this world that's about all I
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don't have anything to show for it yet
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but it's coming along well it's getting
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pretty cool and so once it's done I'll
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like take pictures and make a blog post
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maybe I don't know you sure you should
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get TIFF to help you design the case for
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it you can do you know she can make a
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nice case or do something like painting
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on the outside you got to involve her in
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this project show she'll allow you to
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put this thing in a prominent place in
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the home hi so I actually already have
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version one of it in a case in a
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prominent place in the home that she has
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approved I'm I'm not going to spoil what
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the case is yet I will tell you that it
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was manufactured by Apple oh my anyway
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once it's done I'll take pictures I'm
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gonna I actually ordered a Raspberry Pi
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0 W which is much smaller than the
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full-size Raspberry Pi to help it fit
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better into this case but we will see
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how that goes when it arrives you should
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have saved your trashcan so you could
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chuck these little NFC cards into the
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chuck them into the hole and then they
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rattle down to the bottom and it plays
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the the song eventually you have to turn
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the thing upside down and empty em all
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in the last week or so there have been
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some rejections of iPhone apps or iOS
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apps I guess I should say that use emoji
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as part of the user interface the
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rejections have said something along the
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lines of listen that's you know Apple
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copyrighted material which really is
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true you can't use that in a campion
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screenshots you really got to change
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your app let me start by saying that I
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am quite confident by the letter of the
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law Apple is 100% right and they are
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there's nothing we can really do about
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it but it seems short sighted and stupid
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that apple provides all these beautiful
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emoji and as most of you probably know I
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do love me some emoji that apple
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provides all these beautiful emoji and
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then if you use them as part of you user
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interface they stomp on you and say no
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that's not allowed
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now shortly before we went to record
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tonight I had seen some rumblings about
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this maybe being walked back so instead
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of spending the entire rest of this
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episode on it I guess we just kind of
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talked about it and then move along and
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hope that it's getting resolved but man
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that just seems dumb like I understand
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that yes it is their right to do this
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but it's just dumb I I don't get it
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and it's I like using emoji like I can't
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say that I've done this day at work but
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if I was writing my own iOS app I would
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absolutely use emoji in my in my user
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interface from time to time because I
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just think it's cute and fun but gosh I
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don't dig it and I haven't had the
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chance to listen to the most recent
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connected which will link in the show
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notes where Jeremy Burch FMOD mojo pedia
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is on and I guess that interview is
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probably pretty good because Jeremy's
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pretty damn awesome it is you're missing
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a lot you really really should have
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listened to it it's it's really your
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I know I will listen to what six hours
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ago already been a little busy but no
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the the connected guys of course are
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dear friends of ours and and Jeremy even
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though we've never met he's a dear
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friend of mine he just doesn't know it
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and so I'll talk with him does that
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that is superhot and in any case the
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point of join it was a giant hot pool it
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wasn't a hot tub
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well in that case not so hot no anyway
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you should listen to that and just
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certainly one of you guys I guess Marco
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if you'd like to jump in kind of fill in
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the gaps here but I just I don't care
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for it I understand swith in Apple's
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right but I don't care for it and I
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think it's a it's just a poor decision
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so Marco since you seem to be more read
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up on this than I anything you can add
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or fill in or kind of clarify for me I
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mean once again the the the specific day
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that we are recording is kind of
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inconvenient for the story because it
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does seem to be like kind of in progress
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and still in motion so this may be out
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of date by the time that I'm able to you
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know release this tomorrow morning or
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whatever but I think Apple clearly needs
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to the final line of what is okay and
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what is not because certain things with
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you know the emoji is Apple's
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copyrighted work not that different from
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you know it's the San Francisco font is
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Apple's font they own it they can
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dictate the terms of use one of the
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things that you can't do with the San
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Francisco font is you can't embed the
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San Francisco font on an Android app or
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on a website you can you can like call
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for it in your CSS but like you can't
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actually embed the files that would then
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show the San Francisco font to people on
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windows or people on Android because
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that's ripping off their copyrighted
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stuff and put it on your server and
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redistributing it like that's that's
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obviously over the line so similar
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things with emoji there are apps
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sometimes really big apps like I think
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like I'm not too familiar with the
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specifics but I think people were saying
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like whatsapp just copied all that emoji
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was putting it on all their platforms
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like on Android and stuff obviously
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taking apples emoji images and embedding
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them in your app on Android is obviously
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over the line and that should be you
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know enforced by Apple's Copyright
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Department that makes total sense so
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obviously there is a line of what is too
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far the question is where is that line
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being drawn and it seems like that might
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still be in flux or the or maybe there
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was some interpretation by a preview
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that is still in flux I don't know
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obviously I think anything that involves
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you taking the images off the system and
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and manipulating the images themselves
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is probably not right and not cool with
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Apple but I don't think it's right for
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Apple to say that like a text label in
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your app can't include characters in
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this range being rendered by the system
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fonts that I think is is too restrictive
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and you know so for me from a technical
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perspective I think it's easy to define
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that line you're allowed to use emoji in
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your app if it's being rendered as text
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like by the text system being rendered
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as text that makes total sense that
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seems reasonable
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because then Apple can change the images
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whenever they want it can only ever
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render that way on Apple's platforms
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because you're not embedding the images
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you're just calling for the text
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characters so if you if you do the same
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thing on Android or somewhere else it's
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gonna render the Android mojo set which
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is what you should be doing that I think
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is a very good line to draw it's unclear
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whether they are drawing that line or
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that kind of kicked all this off is an
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app by Sam Eckert called bit tracker so
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bit tracker has basically emoji all over
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the UI like in in text labels there's
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like little emoji Thanos how salient
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everything but that looks okay to me and
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so he this is mostly coming out like on
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his Twitter account over the last few
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days and originally he got rejected then
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he got a phone call from a preview and
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in the phone call it's like a perv you
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apparently told him that you cannot use
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emoji anywhere in your app UI except
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like the user being able to enter text
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so like if there's a text field and the
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user can type emoji into the text field
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that's okay and if you're doing things
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with that text like displaying a message
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that someone else sent that person that
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happens to include emoji that's okay but
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what he was told on the phone is
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apparently that you cannot use emoji in
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the UI in other ways but then app review
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decided to retroactively Lee go back and
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approve his app after all and to let him
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use the emoji that way but we haven't
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yet received clarification on the policy
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so whether the policy is actually
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different we have no idea
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and this is a little bit you know I have
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a little bit of skin in this game
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because overcast has a couple of small
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uses of emoji in the interface if you if
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you star an episode a little emoji star
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will show up if you have not downloaded
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it but it's simply being streamed a
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little cloud will show up both these
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things appear in the detail label like
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relate the date shows on the episode and
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and oh and I use the emoji heart it like
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you know also in tiny little form in the
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text label for becoming a premium
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subscriber so obviously I have some skin
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in this game because if this policy is
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calling for emoji as characters in text
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labels in your app being rendered by the
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that should be prohibited
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front like they can legally that's
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innocent way I was saying earlier of
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like being used like in text labels
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restricting that I think would be a big
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mistake for just kind of the the like
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design landscape of iOS apps and I don't
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think I pause to worry about like
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dilution of their brand or losing
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control of their copyright with these
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images as long as it's being rendered by
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the text system on their device and not
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in other places that actually in my
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opinion reinforces their brand because
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then all these apps that have these
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unique looks that include apples emoji
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in their text fields can't look the same
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way on other platforms and that actually
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I think reinforces the like design walls
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are on Apple make sure that look if you
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want your app to look like this cool to
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have this kind of cool mood it has to be
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on iOS it can't be anywhere else like
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III think any any effort to restrict
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apps from using emoji in the UI in this
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kind of you know relatively innocent way
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with the text system I think is not a
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good decision and and is likely to do
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more harm than good
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not you know not to mention it's gonna
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really annoy and anger a lot of
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developers so the last point you brought
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factor for Apple's platform is I think
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starting to get that the angle that I'm
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taking on this as a Jeremy pointed out
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in emoji PD Oracle Google has an emoji
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font too but there is has different
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licensing terms he describes as an
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open-source license that allows other
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projects use it within the term set out
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blah blah blah but like but it's a
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different license alright so it's still
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it but it's easier to use elsewhere so
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recently on six colors talking about
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slack used to let you pick which emoji
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you want do you want to see apples emoji
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do you want to see Google's emoji what
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are the other choices there was a bunch
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all their Twitter hostile emoji emoji
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once not like it had a bunch of emojis
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clearly like embedded in the app somehow
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because I think it was like this on all
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platforms right even if you were on
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Windows or whatever you can get the
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Apple emoji and then obviously applets
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know using platforms so Apple must have
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gone to them because now you don't have
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that option anymore you get that you can
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get the Apple ology and Apple platforms
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but not on Windows or whatever and but
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if you're on Windows you can get the
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Google emoji because Google's license is
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more permissive when it comes to what
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Apple should or shouldn't do with its
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emoji rights yes there is the angle
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that's saying look if you're on Apple
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platforms you get our nice emoji we
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think our mode you're good they make our
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platform nicer to use because we think
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they're better than other people's emoji
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and people can use them in their
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interface like marker or whatever and
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that's a differentiating factor the
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other angle is if Apple decided to have
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a much more permissive license for its
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emoji what could happen and what I think
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is already kind of sort of happening
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without apples permission is they could
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attain visual dominance but like they
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could become the face of emoji to the
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world like the the what they decide the
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representation of each one of these
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fairly vaguely specified emoji symbols
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is what they artwork they choose and
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their art style and their all their
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artistic choices could come to define
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emoji across the entire industry
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including when they decide to change an
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emoji or make a new emoji or whatever
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like that they could become the de-facto
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leaders of emoji merely by having the
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most widely-used set uh and you know
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don't think Google is winning that
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battle judged based on like how often
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apples emoji are copied without
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permission rather than using Google's
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with permission it's like given the
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choice between Google lets me use it in
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my app or platform so I'm an Apple
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doesn't but I kind of like the Apple
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ones better right so that position being
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the sort of visual leader of emoji for
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the entire world also has value
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I'm not sure the value of saying if you
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want apples nice emoji come for the owl
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platform is worth the sacrifice because
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this happens all the time for me like
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when you're communicating with emoji if
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you're just communicating with all your
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Apple using friends you're all in the
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same page about what the emoji looks
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like right but if you're communicating
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across platforms it's harder to know
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what their if they're seeing the little
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face with the teary eyes or the whatever
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like or the the thing that looks like a
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grimace that's supposed to be a grin
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like there can be miscommunication
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because of differences in art style and
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people on Apple platforms experience
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that me as an Apple user I wish that
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Apple would widely license its emoji to
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whoever the heck wanted it so I could be
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sure that other people would see the
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same things I did because I had the
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expectation that given the choice
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they'll choose apples emoji over
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Google's whose goals is weird and ugly
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or whatever like I don't know if that's
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entirely true but I would prefer that
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world and I think being the de facto
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visual leader emoji has more value to
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Apple as a company than retaining its
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fancy stuff to only be on its platform
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there's also the issue of like app
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design quality like you know this is not
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quite the same but honestly it's not
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that different imagine if we were not
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allowed to use the same at the San
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Francisco font in our apps that Apple
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had this wonderful system font that all
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their apps used but the third part of
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developers could not use the San
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Francisco font in their apps period what
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that would mean would be that every app
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would have to figure out some fonts that
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it could use probably make its own or by
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its own license its own so what that
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would do is not only would all apps look
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different like way more than they do now
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and sometimes in bad ways but that also
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would draw some lines between apps that
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had money behind them and apps that
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didn't so much it would make that more
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apparent and you would have you'd have
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like a bigger quality a visual quality
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difference making quality app design
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less accessible to people and also there
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would be somebody out there like you
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know we would all just go use the Google
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open-source fonts or whatever like there
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would be some small collection of free
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or low-cost fonts for developers to just
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go get instead and so you would have iOS
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the design as you were just saying
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jointly the design would basically be
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dictated by third parties like googled
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who were offering some kind of
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permissive font that we could use
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instead the emotion situation if we
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can't use them in text labels and stuff
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isn't that different because the fact is
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app design is including emoji now that
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is happening it's been happening it's
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going to happen more emoji is how is is
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a is becoming an increasing part of how
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people use computers what how people
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expect to be able to use apps what
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people how how things should look how
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people expect things to look so a lot of
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apps want or need to use emoji in their
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UI and if we can't use Apple's emoji
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there we're gonna have to go get our own
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made which almost no one can afford to
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do this with the biggest companies or go
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you know license some open-source just
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so you go use some open source one like
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Google's if we I don't even know if
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we're allowed to put their license but I
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know it's pretty permissive so maybe an
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English case what you said is right John
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in which case then you know app then all
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third-party apps on iOS looked like
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these weird other emoji and then apples
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look weird by comparison you know so
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that's not a good situation to be in
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which is why I think like for the same
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reason that we are allowed to use the
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San Francisco font in our apps on iOS as
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long as we don't like rip out that font
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and bring it to Android for that same
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reason we should also be able to use the
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Apple emoji set in our you eyes as long
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as that emoji set does not leave iOS
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well I wanted to be used on Android too
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because I want the uniformity but as for
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using it just in iOS Apple does have a
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point which I can imagine being made in
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some future to view that would be
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secession if it hasn't already in that
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they're not gonna say this but it would
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almost be better if you if you like
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ripped off the image as a ping and put
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it in your app than if you did it as a
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character because if you do it as a
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character Apple changes its emoji font
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from time to time and your UI like if
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they changed that star to be something
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totally different and it clashes with
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you UI all of sudden because it's not
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yellow anymore and you expected it to be
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yellow or the cloud that used to look a
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certain way it looks a totally different
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way and you know sometimes they change
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the the emoji so much that semantically
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doesn't even you know convey the same
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it's probably not a good idea to use a
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little graphic that you don't control as
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part of your user interface unless
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you're willing to chase that around but
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of course once you start taking ripping
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off the image of it that's even worse in
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terms of Apple getting all uppity about
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it's a copyright and everything so again
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if they gave a permissive license and
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just consider these like these are free
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glyphs that you can use in your thing if
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you want it you know that's the case
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where I would say if you want to use it
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as your user interface you can only do
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it on an Apple platform so it not on any
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other ones and then that the license
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would say if you want to use it as you
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know as text or like if someone types
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text and they want to see like in the
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slack application on Windows that would
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be the case where you say fine you can
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use our emoji just don't use them in
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your user interface on Windows but it
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you can use them for typing on those
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anyway I think there's a thing there's
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definitely a way for Apple to sort of
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have their cake and eat it too and I
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don't think the the way that is the most
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benefit to Apple you're setting aside
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developers the most been an apple is
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keeping it so tight that you know that
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people can use it even on Apple's
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platform and I don't even think it's
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gonna eat it just to confine it to a
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because I don't think there's any
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advantage or I don't think the advantage
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is worth being that restrictive and
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saying come to Apple for our cool emoji
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because people won't and some other
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uglier form of emoji will spread
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everywhere and then Apple people will
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feel weird because they'll send you the
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grimacing face and other people will see
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something different and not understand
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what you're saying and that will make
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Apple people feel marginalized rather
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than the other way around I just want us
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to be able to use some OG on Apple
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platforms just like Marco said is that
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yeah I mean I've been following the drum
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but I'm sure I'm assuming that that
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there'll be some nuances there because I
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think Apple's goal is to make sure emoji
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and stuff looks nice on their own
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platform right I don't think they're
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gonna be so restrictive as the you know
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they did let the guys that through but
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that's just you know that's just me
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thinking that the App Store has been
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you so much to Kashmir for sponsoring
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our show I started using its adieu app
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this past winter I had only one well
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I'll get there okay I had always kind of
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used reminders the bill Tina rappley
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reminders app very lightly like I'd have
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it remind me of maybe one thing a week
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and you know simple stuff like take out
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the garbage you know stuff like that
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I very lightly used it and it was never
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really never ly a habit for overcast
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planning I kept a task paper document
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since the beating of overcast and even
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before that since for a lot of
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and I still find the test paper format
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really nice for like planning a software
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release for an indie developer like me
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but this past holiday season I was just
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super busy and like everything in my
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life was like half done projects and
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things I had to you know worry about and
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check in on and and try to complete all
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this crazy stuff and I finally started
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using reminders very heavily and what
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really got me into it was Siri capture
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see refresh hurts me a lot
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but it's pretty good at reminders like
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it's you know it's not perfect but it's
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it's close enough that it's like it's
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useful and I found it to be a very nice
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way to capture like as I'm out as I'm
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thinking about something oh
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remind me to blah blah blah you know
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okay the problem with Apple reminders is
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that while the Siri capture on Apple
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reminders is great
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pretty much everything else about it is
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terrible like the the only reason why I
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ever used reminders to enter tasks is
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because I'd never had to actually use
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the reminders app to enter a task
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creating a task on the reminders app is
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awful like the the UI is incredibly
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clunky it's ugly it's hideous it still
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has a lot of like weird like iOS you
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know pre iOS seven kind of behaviors and
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looks and everything it and and it's
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it's especially horrible on the Mac like
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it's way worse than the Mac but no does
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an iOS it the Apple reminders on the Mac
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is honestly embarrassing and and maybe
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at some point they're going to do what
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they did with notes where they like they
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totally redid the Notes app a few years
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back and made it awesome maybe that's
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coming to reminders I hope it's coming
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reminders but we don't know whether that
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will happen yet so I started seeking out
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third-party apps to to help me finally
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do either of you use reminders or to do
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apps because of hearing a friend of the
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show Mike Hurley talked about it
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constantly I think it was Mike I'm
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pretty sure it was Mike now I'm having
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second thoughts but anyway somebody in
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my life had talked about the app D you e
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do and because I decided that I wanted
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to have occasional periodic reminders
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that were repeating and all I wanted was
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reminders I didn't want to go all the
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way into like OmniFocus or anything like
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that I just wanted to have reminders are
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repeated I've started using D you e do
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and if I'm honest I kind of really love
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it because it does exactly what I want
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which is reminders often times but not
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always periodic and most importantly
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that will nag you to death which is
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exactly what I need because I'm the kind
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of person that'll be like oh yeah take
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out the trash yeah sure I'll do that in
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you know like clear you know clear the
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notification whatever you can't clear
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the notification until you did it
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mistake you can never clear never I mean
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unless it's complete I know I'm not
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saying it's not a KC problem but I know
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myself one has to know oneself and I
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know myself and myself is the kind of
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person oh yeah sure I'll get that in a
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and so I have been using do for I want
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to say three to six months and I kind of
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love it I just used the default
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I'm also because it was the one that had
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serious support for so long when no
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other ones did right so remind me to
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whatever like that's one of the few
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times I use Siri to do that occasionally
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I will type them in and you can actually
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type like remind me to you know do
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whatever at 7:00 p.m. tomorrow and that
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will save you from having to look at the
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UI that lets you pick dates and times
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which is not fun to use but that's it
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just never use any third-party apps I
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use it very rarely it's usually like and
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like Marco said usually for capture like
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I'm in a situation where however I would
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normally make sure I remembered you this
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is not available I can't put it on my
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calendar or that would be too cumbersome
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but my phone is there so you just pick
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it up baba remind me to do the bubble
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blah right you know remind me to go pick
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up my daughter and in 15 minutes to
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remind me to I'm you know I usually
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Ferb's you know ro I mean just throw the
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sauce in ten minutes or whatever that's
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why I get annoyed that it won't do a
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repeating reminder for 10 minutes
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because I don't know why because it
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won't but but yeah not very frequently
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but when I do use it it's Syria and it's
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on my phone and it's plain old reminders
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quick addendum I should mention that for
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shopping lists and only shopping lists I
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also use the app any list which I love
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it's really really great at doing shared
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shopping lists before everyone writes me
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email yes I am aware that reminders can
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do shared reminders lists I am I am
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aware that that's a thing I don't care
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for it I much prefer any list for
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reasons that are not interesting for
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right now but anyway I use any list and
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I don't remember if I stumbled upon that
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myself or if that's because Jason Snell
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who is also in any list person had told
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me about it it could have been either
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but one way or another if you're the
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kind of person that wants to have a
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that's shared between you and your
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partner which is me I'd wouldn't I'm
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sorry your partner isn't me you know
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point I'm driving at is that if you want
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to have a shared shopping list I cannot
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recommend any list enough the notes will
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do that now to the fancy version of
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notes has that's true that's true can
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you can make a shared note and you can
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put those little radio buttons on it's
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not as nice as any list but you know if
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you're if you're it's a good way to try
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out like you see if this is a thing that
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you'll want to use and you don't want to
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bother downloading another I've just
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tried and notes and if it seems nice get
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a better app like any list yeah yeah I
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keep mean to try any list because of
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your recommendations Casey mostly I
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think it's like I've heard you mention
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her a few times and yeah because I would
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like to like right now I just have a
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shopping list and the way we share it is
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TIFF tells me hey add this to your
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oh that's barbaric that's far better
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that's a good system that I bet she
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likes oh I have a worse problem like
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I've I've been trying to get my wife to
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use any kind of shared grocery list I
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bought and subscribe to any list I've
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tried using notes I've tried using other
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third-party apps whose names I've
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forgotten it's just go down my purchases
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and just the problem is she she just
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wants to use paper she just wants to use
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paper it's like in her purse or in her
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wallet and she wants to use the
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whiteboard that's on the fridge and like
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three pieces of paper in the whiteboard
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I'm like but but those aren't
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electronically shared and if I read it
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on the like oh I didn't see it on the
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whiteboard I had a separate list I wrote
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down on this piece of paper so I'm stuck
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outside the digital realm there's no
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real computer solution to that
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just like I bet TIFF enjoys the system
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where she just yells things to you and
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it's like paper doesn't work for me
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because so right now I use the app clear
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and I know I've heard they're they have
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like a new beta going on that's supposed
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to be a lot better but I'm not on that
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beta I'm just using the old one which is
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like not even updated for the iPhone 10
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and everything but what I like about
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clear is that it's very simple and it
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lets me manually reorder things really
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easily you could drag the road it's
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because what I do with my shopping lists
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the reason I don't use paper is you know
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I'll enter things you know however they
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come to me but then before I go shot I'm
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the shopper and before I go shopping I
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reorder them to be in the order that I
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know they're in the store because I know
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I know the stores really well like it's
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so like I know where things are and so
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all the Rings I'm like okay I'll be that
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you know walking to the produce first of
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all the pretty stuff on top and I and so
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as I'm going through the store I can
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very quickly check them off
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Marco why do you do this to yourself any
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list will do this for you doesn't know
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my stores well no it doesn't know your
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stores but if you enter I don't know
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like banana it will be smart enough to
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put that in the produce section so it's
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also a single list will be section 2 2
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in it defaults to groceries but you can
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set up you know other things but if you
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enter banana it is smart enough to put
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that in the produce section if you enter
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milk it's smart enough to put that in
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the dairy section you are begging for
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any list you just don't know it
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alright that's a I will I will
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definitely give it a shot anyway so
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going back to my to-do item look I've
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been trying to talk about for like -
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alright so what I what I really came to
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want like I wanted basically something
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that was fairly simple like reminders
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that had great Siri integration I
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basically wanted like reminders Pro like
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what reminders would be if Apple did it
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from scratch today and actually put
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resources on it instead of just whatever
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the heck is working on it and how it
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works is probably nobody what I want is
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reminders Pro basically I don't want to
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practice getting things done or any kind
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of GTD like system I know I'm not that
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kind of person I respect people who do
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that that's that's great for you and
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that's not for me at all I want
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basically a flat simple like single
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screen home view of what's going on when
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I complete that I'm I want to disappear
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I don't want to see future items at all
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until their date comes up you know I
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have the concept of like separate
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projects or lists but I only need like
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one level of that I don't need things
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like contacts and tags to also be here
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like I really just need like a very
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simple hierarchy very simple like flat
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structure and I really dislike the
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concept that most these other apps have
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where they have an inbox between capture
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and when it's in like it's home I don't
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want that extra step I don't want to
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have to review my inbox I want I want to
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just say in my Siri command when I'm
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recording the to-do item I want to say
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where it goes right then and not have
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anything in the inbox if I don't specify
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a project I want like a default list
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that just all the - I just arrived in
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this is this is basically have reminders
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works just reminders is terrible in all
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other ways and I've want something
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better so the Mac is my primary platform
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for viewing editing and completing tasks
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so it must have a good Mac app my
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primary capture platform is Siri on the
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phone so it must have an iOS app with
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Siri integration it should be able to
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handle recurring tasks pretty well
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because I have a lot of those and I want
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whatever app I use to be an active
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development on all three major Apple
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platforms Mac iPhone and iPad so some
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nice to haves I would like maybe to have
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shared list or shared projects I think I
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might someday want a web service for
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some kind of API integration but I
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haven't in practice actually needed that
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for anything yet so maybe I won't
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actually need that after all and just
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kind of a nice to have like the apps
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should be pretty because I'm an apple
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person damn it and I like things to be
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pretty like I'm like an attractive app
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that is you know simple and has a little
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stuff okay so Apple reminders was not
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doing it for me in many ways I like it
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you know I like the integration Apple
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reminders is the only one that works
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with Siri on the Mac because there is no
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Sirikit on the Mac so any of the
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third-party apps no matter how good
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their Mac apps are they cannot take it
[TS]
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take it to do item from Siri on the Mac
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that's annoying but that's an Apple
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problem really that's that's not there
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at the apps fault you know the Apple
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reminders app will always get system
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integration abilities and stuff like
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that first before those are third-party
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way to do it if it doesn't arrive at the
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same time so there's a big advantage to
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Apple reminders they're just keeping it
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simple keeping in the system and
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everything but again it's just it's such
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a clunky app I really didn't like it
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I tried to do it to do it has tons of
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features it's very much web service
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oriented so it has really good
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collaboration features shared projects
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shared list API integration stuff like
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that they have apps on every platform
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but the two duyst Mac app is horrendous
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it is basically a very poorly wrapped
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web app like like slack it makes that
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look native-like it's real I cannot
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believe that oh it's bad it every
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interaction with the todoist Mac app
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feels just wrong and limited and nothing
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works the way you think honestly I think
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it's kind of embarrassing if if iOS is
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your primary platform like I understand
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like why Federico likes to do us because
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iOS it's a primary platform and he needs
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collaboration feature with some of his
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employees and stuff so that makes total
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sense but for me as somebody who works
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alone on a Mac I cannot recommend it to
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us at all it's it's rough I also I
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couldn't get over like hearing hearing
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the way that people like Federico and
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Mike talk about todoist one of the
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problems is that Siri doesn't really
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recognize the the pronunciation todoist
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you have to pronounce it wrong like two
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diced or other or like I couldn't get
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over that like I I know that's that's
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kind of a stupid reason to not pick an
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app but like even if everything else was
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great about it the fact that every time
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I added a reminder I have to tell my
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phone to add something seduced I didn't
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know if I couldn't get past so I also I
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tried OmniFocus this OmniFocus seems to
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be kind of like the the good default for
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if you want a powerful task management
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system you should probably just use
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OmniFocus the omni group makes amazing
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software that they have an amazing
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long-standing reputation for very high
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quality Mac and iOS software and and
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OmniFocus has been around for a long
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time it's a very mature of tons of
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guides on how to use it and everything
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it has first-class Siri integration it's
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frequently updated very well supported
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very powerful very customizable but it's
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ultimately very complex it's far too
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complex for me maybe someday I will
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graduate to OmniFocus but I'm not ready
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for that right now and I might never be
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you know it has a lot of roots in
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getting things done and and the kind of
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people who practice that kind of like
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more structured system than what I'm
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looking for maybe it would be possible
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to heavily customize it to be what I
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want but I honestly don't have the time
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or will to do that and again maybe
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someday I will but for now OmniFocus is
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just way too complex for me so then I
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tried things things has frankly the best
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Mac app I've seen like not among all the
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to do it's a really good mac app I think
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the mac app is actually better than
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their iOS apps again first-class Siri
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integration one thing I like about
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things is that it's one syllable and
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it's a regular word that C R you can
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always recognize properly and it also
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doesn't sound too nerdy if I'm saying it
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when other people are around like if I
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have to say it's a joist to Siri that's
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how many focus sounds okay but a little
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nerdy things you breeze right right by
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you don't even hear it right on this on
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this topic of the names of the app by
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the way this is another place where I
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feel like I've been waiting too long for
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what seems like a pretty obvious
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advancement this I understand why
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circuit works the way it does with the
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name of the app as part of the sentence
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then you say it but that's not how
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people want to talk to their phones even
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if it's a nice one syllable normal word
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that's not how people want to talk to
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things right if someone decides that
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they're gonna use things as their
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reminder app this should be away in iOS
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to tell it when I say remind me to blah
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blah blah I mean to do it in things cuz
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I use things like it's not I don't think
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it's asking for the moon and it makes
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the experience so much better because
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your interface is talking and once I
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feel like I have to talk about
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particular syntax I'm playing a text
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adventure game with my phone I don't
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want to do that I want to speak I want
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to speak in a natural way that's one of
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the beautiful things that I love about a
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lot of the cylinders and like my Google
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home right for my Google home I just say
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things however the hell it occurs to me
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to say it and it amazes me that it
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figures out what I meant in a very
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narrow problem domain like remind me to
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or do like there's already a million
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ways to say set a reminder of all blah I
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shouldn't have to insert the name of the
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app I want to use especially if it's the
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same app every time that would avoid the
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Taos and it would just make it better
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this gets back to the you know default
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apps things over anyway that's I if
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Apple's looking for something for iOS 13
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not iOS 12 make that experience better
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because we do like talking to our phones
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we don't like say to doused or things or
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whatever yeah and and and there was
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actually they actually midoriko brought
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this up on connected this week the
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episode that you all should have already
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been listening to for the Jeremy Birds
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emoji interview anyway that was also in
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this episode and Federico mentioned like
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like you know people have for years we
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wanted Apple to have default apps choice
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for things like the browser in the mail
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client and I understand why they don't
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you know there that's been argued to
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death but this does seem like an area
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where that's very easy to say yes to
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like sirikit has a limited number of
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intense there doesn't seem to be any
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downside to enabling like a default
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option for something for somebody to say
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like okay things is my reminders app
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like always put reminders and things you
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know the X or Y is my Notes app like
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that like that should be that should be
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supported there should be a system-wide
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preference to just default that and and
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if Apple you know really wants to make
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Syria awesome I hope they consider that
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but anyway so go just finishing up with
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things there's no shared functionality
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like know kind of like shared groups or
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lists or projects not like that there is
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no API or public web service but they
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did recently had an email in feature so
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you can kind of simulate parts of it you
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can like get like the add this two
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things working by basically using email
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as a gateway one of the annoying things
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about things his head I can't figure out
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how to make a new task from Siri go
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directly to no project anytime you can
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sit you can say like remind me today to
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do this thing and things and then it
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gets no project I think but it gets
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today I can't figure out how to make it
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go no project if you say any time it
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goes to the inbox I don't want it like I
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don't want anything to ever go to the
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inbox ever on the Mac you can configure
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it to basically skip that with quick
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entry but you can't do that with Siri
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kit on iOS yet and it annoys me but for
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the most part I have found things pretty
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good there's a couple of other small
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weirdnesses so for instance the
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repeating UI is really weird like once
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you get it set up it's fine but creating
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recurring events is very unintuitive
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like I mentioned earlier that I don't
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want things that are in the future to
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show up until it's their time to show up
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then is only done on the granularity of
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the day level so you can't say don't
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show up until Wednesday at 9:00 p.m.
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that I have to put out the cardboard
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recycling all day today I've had put out
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cut the cardboard recycling on my to-do
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list even though I really shouldn't do
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it till 9:00 p.m. you can
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a reminder to alert you of that at 9
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p.m. but it's gonna show up on your list
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all day I don't love that and and
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finally the weather it is an active
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development or not it's kind of a big
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question mark with things because the
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developer of a culture code went for a
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very long span between previous versions
[TS]
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and it seemed that many times as though
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the app was abandoned and it turned out
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it wasn't but there were there were such
[TS]
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long delays that it's a little hard to
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shake the fear that it might get
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abandoned again or go for long spans
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without updates again and so finally
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after trying all these apps I finally
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understand why so many of our podcaster
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friends are always talking about their
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frustrations with their to-do apps and
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why there are we switching between them
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and saying oh now I'm switching this
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because this thing I know we've me about
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this other app I finally get it because
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it's such it's it's a hard problem like
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this is a very personal app you're
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you're trying to codify people's
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internal mental systems in an app and
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that's really hard to do in a way that
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pleases many people no at none of these
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apps are perfect for almost anybody
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everyone is kind of 70% satisfied with
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any given one at most one thing I
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thought of though is that there's really
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nothing saying that you have to only use
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one to-do app for everything like case
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you mentioned earlier that you know you
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use any list for groceries and you use
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do for some other stuff like mmm it that
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is totally a solution like if you don't
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like the way things does recurring
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reminders like I could just have some
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other app remind me to take out the
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trash like I don't need things to be the
[TS]
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app that does all that stuff there's
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nothing saying that you only have to use
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one app for everything you can have
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different to do apps for different needs
[TS]
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depending on what they're good at your
[TS]
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grocery store shopping list does not
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need to necessarily be in the same app
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as like your next version of your iOS
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app what you're doing for it it would be
[TS]
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nice if one app could do multiple things
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like that in a way that didn't step on
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each other but doesn't have to be I've
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settled on things for the time being and
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I think I'm gonna be here for a while
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because the Mac app is just so much
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nicer than the other Mac apps
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and so I like things a lot it does fit
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what I want in some ways there's some
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things about that that are just friction
[TS]
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to me but for the most part it's it's
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the closest I found to good for me but
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I'm also probably gonna check out any
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list for grocery stuff and I'm really
[TS]
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curious to know whatever the heck clear
[TS]
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is working on for their next version for
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you know other like really casual stuff
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like groceries but ultimately I'm now
[TS]
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using it to do app and it's things and
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it's pretty nice not perfect but
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definitely the nicest for me once I kind
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of got a feel for it it just felt really
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right for for the way I like to use
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things and the way I like things to to
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look and work and behave and yeah there
[TS]
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is some friction but ultimately I like
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it so thanks things
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what are you use for your calendar
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calendar and so how do you decide
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whether something goes on your calendar
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or in one of those to-do app things oh
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that's that's easy a to-do app is a list
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of things I need to get done a calendar
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is a list of like time slots that are
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booked so like you know it and this is
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great apologies to people like Merlin
[TS]
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who have talked about this at great
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length forever but like you know a
[TS]
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calendar entry is like a thing that I
[TS]
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have to do at that time so like if I
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have to have a meeting with somebody or
[TS]
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recording a podcast like that has to
[TS]
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happen at a certain time that is not a
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to-do entry that's a do entry as things
[TS]
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like you know follow-up about this thing
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I had this email about like you know
[TS]
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stuff it's or like you know check out
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the trash you know sometime today or
[TS]
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stuff like that that exactly wanted to
[TS]
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be told to take out the trash precisely
[TS]
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at 9:00 yes but I don't have to do it at
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9:00 I have to do it sometime between
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9:00 and tomorrow morning so where would
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you put the fact that a plumber is
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coming that's a calendar entry because
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that is how that is like a thing that is
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happening at a certain time it's not a
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to-do item it's it's an event like
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that's that's a very different you know
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semantics thing I think that the line is
[TS]
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fuzzier than you're making it sound
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because anything I feel like has a date
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and a time associated with it is a
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potential candidate for our calendar but
[TS]
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it's also a potential candidate for a
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reminder but it's also a potential
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