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◼   ► possibly not be true who would ever

◼   ► confess to a crime that they haven't

◼   ► committed and I was watching this I just

◼   ► kept thinking why don't we have

◼   ► professional jurors I don't understand

◼   ► why it's like an advantage to pull a

◼   ► bunch of randos off the street and have

◼   ► them being the one in in the trial

◼   ► circumstances

◼   ► well because here's the thing I feel

◼   ► like having watched a bunch of these

◼   ► episodes this idea kept coming into my

◼   ► head that part of the problem

◼   ► is not even just that you can manipulate

◼   ► a person into confessing a crime that

◼   ► they did not commit the other half of

◼   ► the problem is the way that the

◼   ► prosecution can manipulate the jury to

◼   ► get a win for the prosecution because

◼   ► the jurors are unfamiliar with what the

◼   ► system is surely it would be an

◼   ► advantage to have people who are

◼   ► professional jurors who are familiar

◼   ► with how the whole system works doing

◼   ► this who don't have to a newbie

◼   ► explained every time here's what police

◼   ► procedures should be who don't have to

◼   ► anew every time be introduced to and

◼   ► convinced and sold on the idea that a

◼   ► confession is not as a reliable piece of

◼   ► evidence as you think it is it's just

◼   ► blowing my mind thinking about the

◼   ► man-hours as a society we must invest in

◼   ► re-explaining stuff too every brand-new

◼   ► pool of jurors that exists and I'm just

◼   ► what like is there something that I'm

◼   ► missing here is there an argument

◼   ► against professional jurors I've never

◼   ► really thought about it until yesterday

◼   ► and today when I was watching these

◼   ► episodes but it's just like I can't get

◼   ► this out of my head why is this not a

◼   ► thing that we have oh you're making my

◼   ► head explode

◼   ► I've thought of so many things to say I

◼   ► can't remember the moment well I mean

◼   ► every jurisdiction is different and I

◼   ► finally talked about jurisdictions in

◼   ► which I've have experiences like a

◼   ► journalist and have lived in the first

◼   ► thing I'd say is in most of the places

◼   ► I've lived we do have professional do

◼   ► their code judges and in a lot of

◼   ► jurisdictions you can choose if you wish

◼   ► to be judged by the judge the

◼   ► professional juror instead of a jury of

◼   ► civilians and the reason most people

◼   ► don't do that is because juries are

◼   ► actually in the defense's best interest

◼   ► in most cases and they would prefer to

◼   ► have a jury so suggesting that a juries

◼   ► are too easily manipulated by the

◼   ► prosecution I think it's the exact

◼   ► opposite and they're too easily

◼   ► manipulated by the defense well I think

◼   ► we could say that they're too easily

◼   ► manipulated right well fair enough and

◼   ► we have this thing that it's enshrined

◼   ► in law in some places that you can be

◼   ► tried by your peers and it's not

◼   ► enshrined in law that you can be tried

◼   ► by professionally appointed government

◼   ► appointed officials who are part of like

◼   ► the establishment and I think that would

◼   ► cause an even bigger problem if everyone

◼   ► was being tried by government appointees

◼   ► you can see that's the thin end of a

◼   ► wedge that's going to get really

◼   ► problematic really quickly I think when

◼   ► you say it like professional jurors

◼   ► you've got this nice idea in your head

◼   ► of like you know just smart super fair

◼   ► impartial people but they have to be

◼   ► appointed and who appoints them a

◼   ► government and as soon as you say

◼   ► government appointed officials are going

◼   ► to be deciding who's innocent and guilty

◼   ► you've totally lost this tried by your

◼   ► peers component of the law that is so

◼   ► sacred to so many people yeah I don't

◼   ► think the judge gets around that though

◼   ► like when you say oh you can be tried by

◼   ► professional juror who was a judge to me

◼   ► that the terrifying thing about the

◼   ► judge is that they are one person I feel

◼   ► like I would almost never want to roll

◼   ► the dice on a single person because a

◼   ► single person is too unreliable that's

◼   ► why you have multiple jurors there you

◼   ► do actually there are some cases by the

◼   ► way that can be heard by three judges

◼   ► okay that's much better

◼   ► we're splitting hairs now but no no but

◼   ► that does make a difference if I had to

◼   ► choose between like a trial by jury and

◼   ► three judges that is much more of a real

◼   ► consideration although that does start

◼   ► getting into against some of the America

◼   ► specific scary stuff first like but the

◼   ► judges need to be elected and then it's

◼   ► like oh god now that's a little

◼   ► different affair or even appointed but

◼   ► also I haven't got numbers on this but

◼   ► I'm almost certain that you get far more

◼   ► acquittals from juries than you do from

◼   ► judges so if you

◼   ► like thinking of being wrongly accused

◼   ► CGP grey i think you may want to

◼   ► consider that the jury I think you do

◼   ► raise a good point that there may be a

◼   ► thin end of the wedge here which is how

◼   ► does a professional jury member become

◼   ► one of those people when you say like

◼   ► their government to point it I was

◼   ► saying like oh no but that they wouldn't

◼   ► be like that it's like ah but obviously

◼   ► ultimately the legal system in some way

◼   ► would need to be deciding who is able to

◼   ► become a professional juror and I

◼   ► haven't really thought this through I'm

◼   ► just I'm just thinking this out loud now

◼   ► but I mean I don't know how much you

◼   ► know about the UK justice system gray

◼   ► but one thing they do this doesn't

◼   ► really apply to you know murder trials

◼   ► and stuff but you do have volunteer

◼   ► magistrates through the country and

◼   ► these are normally people who are like

◼   ► respected people in good jobs and

◼   ► they're and they'll volunteer a couple

◼   ► of days a month to sit in the

◼   ► magistrate's court and they become just

◼   ► like a judge doing like high-volume

◼   ► stuff with people who've you know had

◼   ► minor run-ins with the law and they have

◼   ► like a professional little committee

◼   ► with them that advises them and tells

◼   ► them how the law works and things they

◼   ► can do but they sit there and show their

◼   ► own discretion and and make decisions so

◼   ► you mean like it like it's a civil court

◼   ► no it's a proper court like it's a

◼   ► Criminal Court but it's for more low

◼   ► stakes infringement I don't know a lot

◼   ► about it except I know a few people who

◼   ► do it an old boss of mine at the BBC was

◼   ► a magistrate for many years so once or

◼   ► twice a month she would have to go and

◼   ► do it and she would just sit there and

◼   ► people would make their case to her and

◼   ► she would decide whether they got a

◼   ► rough ride or an easy ride and she had

◼   ► experts there they'd be like a

◼   ► magistrate's assistant that would tell

◼   ► her here's what you can deal with his

◼   ► what you can do you could sentence up to

◼   ► this or you could do that but they got

◼   ► to show the discretion and they were

◼   ► almost like community judges but I mean

◼   ► this is for low stakes stuff she wasn't

◼   ► sitting there deciding whether or not

◼   ► someone murdered their girlfriend yeah I

◼   ► don't know I feel like you have

◼   ► immediately thrown all of these monkey

◼   ► wrenches into my poorly thought-out

◼   ► ideas but I still have this emotional

◼   ► response to what I view as like oh

◼   ► you're just gonna have 12 randos pulled

◼   ► off the streets

◼   ► and they're unfamiliar with the whole

◼   ► process and because I'm watching the

◼   ► show about false confessions obviously

◼   ► my concern is about being manipulated

◼   ► into convicting someone but then again

◼   ► like my scales of justice are weighed

◼   ► very heavily on it's it's far worse to

◼   ► convict an innocent person than to let a

◼   ► guilty person go for you by far so

◼   ► that's where my concern is but

◼   ► nonetheless their inexperience allows

◼   ► them to be manipulated by the defense as

◼   ► well I don't know it's just it seems

◼   ► like it's just in tremendous advantage

◼   ► for the jurors not to all be noobs at

◼   ► the job of handling people's lives I

◼   ► don't know a way around this yeah I say

◼   ► you made you feel that we're having to

◼   ► reinvent the wheel every trial to my

◼   ► mind the problem is also that you're

◼   ► having these noobs go up against the

◼   ► experts and so the trial lawyers on both

◼   ► sides are able to see how jurors react

◼   ► to different things over time or

◼   ► different cases or different ways to

◼   ► present things I just I feel like it is

◼   ► extraordinarily asymmetric I just don't

◼   ► think this is good or Eve even things

◼   ► like you know my dad's a lawyer

◼   ► and that basically excludes him from

◼   ► ever being able to be on a jury ever

◼   ► like when he's been called in to jury

◼   ► duty it's like oh you're a lawyer get

◼   ► out of here like we don't want you on

◼   ► the jury have you ever been summoned for

◼   ► jury duty I haven't but I'm gonna in a

◼   ► bit of a funny situation getting

◼   ► overseas but I received a summons and

◼   ► then there's like a form that you fill

◼   ► out that says lol I live 2,000 miles

◼   ► away it's not it's not going to happen

◼   ► I'm not coming back to North Carolina to

◼   ► sit on a jury have you I never have no I

◼   ► remember once being in a in a court

◼   ► covering a trial and there was like a

◼   ► fire evacuation in the court building

◼   ► and we had to go out through the jury

◼   ► room it was so exciting and getting to

◼   ► go into the jury room and all their

◼   ► personal stuff was lying around and it

◼   ► was like oh this is so naughty because

◼   ► they're so sacred to the jury getting to

◼   ► go through their room was like a real

◼   ► treat I imagine it was there and it was

◼   ► like also often in the lunch break I

◼   ► would go out into at the markets and get

◼   ► food and like jurors from cases who I

◼   ► was covering would be

◼   ► out getting themselves a hot dog and a

◼   ► milkshake as well and a bit like at the

◼   ► airport when you're like really

◼   ► conscientious about doing the right

◼   ► thing I would make such an effort to not

◼   ► look at them or talk to any jurors or be

◼   ► seen going anywhere near any of them it

◼   ► was crazy because you're very

◼   ► responsible very response very

◼   ► responsible member of the media

◼   ► unlike in America all the crazy stuff

◼   ► that can happen where you take a

◼   ► bewildered guy you put him up through a

◼   ► perp walk right in front of some cameras

◼   ► and tell him to apologize to the world

◼   ► for the thing that he's done it's like

◼   ► oh absolutely crazy that that kind of

◼   ► thing can happen in American media with

◼   ► juries but if I was ever called I mean

◼   ► of course I would do everything within

◼   ► my human power to not sit on that jury

◼   ► the number one thing being is I'd be

◼   ► like I will disregard all eyewitness

◼   ► testimony no matter what I'm pretty sure

◼   ► just that would get me disqualified from

◼   ► a jury immediately like I will not

◼   ► listen to any of your eyewitness

◼   ► testimony I really wouldn't want to be

◼   ► in a jury because I think I would just

◼   ► freak out at the idea that like I have

◼   ► to sit in this little box when they tell

◼   ► me to sit in the box and I can only take

◼   ► breaks when they tell me it's time to

◼   ► take breaks

◼   ► I feel like now if I want to go to the

◼   ► bathroom I'm gonna go to the bathroom

◼   ► and I don't care what you guys are doing

◼   ► I would make a terrible juror so no I

◼   ► wouldn't I wouldn't want to be in the

◼   ► box I would do and say anything to not

◼   ► be on a jury so I don't think that

◼   ► that's gonna happen anytime soon there

◼   ► was a case in Scotland just recently

◼   ► that I've just caught up on my screen I

◼   ► was reading about it where it was a one

◼   ► of those nightmare white-collar criminal

◼   ► property fraud type trials and the jury

◼   ► had to sit for 20 months for the case I

◼   ► mean he might as well be in prison if

◼   ► that's happening apparently they needed

◼   ► like counselling and psychological

◼   ► treatment afterwards to go back to the

◼   ► real world and because of Scottish law

◼   ► is really strict about the 12 jurors

◼   ► thing and there were 12 of them if one

◼   ► of them left or something the whole

◼   ► trial would have collapsed so they all

◼   ► had to like make sure they could see it

◼   ► through so the trial didn't fall in a

◼   ► hey this is why I don't want to be on

◼   ► the jury I would forget it like screw

◼   ► your trial I'm going home what happened

◼   ► to those people do any of them have like

◼   ► did they lose their jobs or like did

◼   ► they just lose a bunch of money to their

◼   ► employer I have to pay them all that

◼   ► time sometimes big chunky a lot of 20

◼   ► months yeah I know at least in the u.s.

◼   ► you basically

◼   ► screw it if you get on a jury there's

◼   ► some amount of compensation that you get

◼   ► that is insulting Lelo like here have a

◼   ► dollar a day I feel like you know what

◼   ► keep your goddamn dollar don't think

◼   ► like you're paying me and we're even now

◼   ► you take this dollar and you shove it up

◼   ► your ass for me losing a day of my life

◼   ► so your employer doesn't have to pay but

◼   ► presumably they can't sack you like you

◼   ► must be allowed to go back to your job I

◼   ► hope all right yeah I don't know I don't

◼   ► know how it works with the work like

◼   ► that

◼   ► I don't know but it doesn't sound fun

◼   ► one last thing though that's again

◼   ► watching the show just hammered into me

◼   ► as thoroughly as an idea can be hammered

◼   ► into a person even someone who is the

◼   ► son of a lawyer is the idea of just like

◼   ► the police are not your friends never

◼   ► talk to the police hmm

◼   ► ever for any reason it's like the world

◼   ► shouldn't be this way but it it totally

◼   ► is and it just makes me feel bad seeing

◼   ► people get caught up in the idea that

◼   ► like oh I'm just trying to help the

◼   ► police because they need to clear me as

◼   ► the boyfriend so they can move on and

◼   ► find who the real killer is hmm what is

◼   ► like that's not really the police's

◼   ► motivation the police's motivation is to

◼   ► close this case as fast as possible and

◼   ► you're sitting right in front get the

◼   ► clearance up on the board yeah exactly

◼   ► like you are a file that's a stack of

◼   ► files that needs to go away

◼   ► and if I was ever pulled in to talk to

◼   ► the police about anything it's like I

◼   ► will say nothing unless my attorney is

◼   ► here and be like oh we didn't want to

◼   ► talk to you because the Queen was

◼   ► assassinated and you were in the crowd

◼   ► we have you on CCTV we know you didn't

◼   ► do it we just want to know if you saw

◼   ► anything that could help us I'd be like

◼   ► I'm not saying a goddamn word until my

◼   ► attorney is here I know how you people

◼   ► work I wonder if it would be any

◼   ► different than if someone like you

◼   ► really loved hello had something had

◼   ► happened to them whether or not you'd be

◼   ► like more eager to help the police just

◼   ► out of can't some kind of devotion to

◼   ► obviously it's different if the person's

◼   ► died but but say you know someone you

◼   ► loved was kidnapped and you were

◼   ► thinking well I've got to just do

◼   ► everything I can to help the police to

◼   ► you know get this person back or yeah I

◼   ► mean I know kidnapping said not pretty

◼   ► rare but kidnappings are rare but it

◼   ► puts you in a really difficult position

◼   ► as the only thing which I think it never

◼   ► the details of a never

◼   ► crossed my mind but watching this

◼   ► documentary it also really solidified is

◼   ► in every episode it's it's somebody who

◼   ► has lost a very close loved one right

◼   ► it's it's a girlfriend or its parents or

◼   ► it's a child or it's a spouse and it

◼   ► never really quite occurred to me how

◼   ► horrible this situation is where it's

◼   ► like okay you you have lost your wife

◼   ► and then you're going to spend 16 hours

◼   ► a day for the next three days being

◼   ► interrogated by the police while you're

◼   ► in the middle of the worst emotional

◼   ► event of your entire life and I think I

◼   ► just it had never really crossed me the

◼   ► true horror of that like you're in a

◼   ► daze but you also have these people who

◼   ► are just asking you questions about

◼   ► absolutely everything and you're

◼   ► obviously the number one suspect of

◼   ► what's going on it's like it's not bad

◼   ► enough that you've lost a loved one but

◼   ► you're also getting like bullied at the

◼   ► same time that this is going on

◼   ► obviously the police have to talk to the

◼   ► people who are the most likely suspects

◼   ► because when someone dies is like well

◼   ► let's put that family up on the board

◼   ► like it's probably one of these people

◼   ► so I don't know how to resolve that but

◼   ► it just seems inhumanly cruel to

◼   ► immediately start questioning someone

◼   ► when you find out like Oh their

◼   ► girlfriend has died let's take them to

◼   ► the station right now to do an interview

◼   ► I can't imagine talking to anyone under

◼   ► those circumstances so be like I'm sorry

◼   ► I need to go curl up in a ball and just

◼   ► cry for days for a while like you can

◼   ► call me in a week and maybe I can put

◼   ► together a coherent sentence like I

◼   ► can't talk to police officers now it

◼   ► just seems so cruel but you don't need

◼   ► to obviously you know that you need to

◼   ► try and sort out crimes as soon as

◼   ► possible after they happen before

◼   ► evidence vanishes but let's put that to

◼   ► one side because it is it that is an

◼   ► interesting conflict do you think that

◼   ► you are being naive to think that you

◼   ► can get a confession or someone to tell

◼   ► the truth just with

◼   ► logic or catching them out in a lie or

◼   ► do you think like in a real world where

◼   ► bad people do bad things and then lie

◼   ► about them that you need to use some

◼   ► Dark Arts to get to the truth sometimes

◼   ► and it's unrealistic to expect this sort

◼   ► of goody-two-shoes fair's fair approach

◼   ► and when you're dealing with bad people

◼   ► sometimes a bit of tricking them can get

◼   ► you to the truth I think that the legal

◼   ► system is so important that you can't

◼   ► have it be the system that uses the dark

◼   ► arts I mean that to me is like okay

◼   ► professional jurors maybe there's a thin

◼   ► end of a wedge here where the government

◼   ► starts appointing the people who are

◼   ► going to decide who is innocent and who

◼   ► is not innocent but if you say like oh

◼   ► the police can use tricks to try to

◼   ► catch the bad guys I just can never get

◼   ► behind that because I feel like it

◼   ► sullies the entire system and also just

◼   ► my own personal belief here that I just

◼   ► don't I don't think those tricks are

◼   ► meaningful because of my disregard of

◼   ► human memory I don't think it's

◼   ► meaningful I think it is too easy to get

◼   ► people to talk about things that they

◼   ► just remember very poorly even in

◼   ► trivial ways that documentary that you

◼   ► had may watch episode 3 I'm sure link to

◼   ► if people want to watch this specific

◼   ► one I watch that and obviously there was

◼   ► no recording of the second day of the

◼   ► questioning of this guy so I don't who

◼   ► knows what happened but if we're just

◼   ► going on what we saw in the documentary

◼   ► I loved what I saw that policeman doing

◼   ► was just kind of like building a rapport

◼   ► even though he's faking and being

◼   ► insincere and I can't believe the guy

◼   ► didn't see through it like do you think

◼   ► it's wrong for a policeman to try and

◼   ► build a rapport with someone who they

◼   ► thinks a suspect build up a level of

◼   ► trust even though it's insincere in the

◼   ► hope that you get to the truth I think

◼   ► that's a that's a trickier question have

◼   ► you happened to see also on Netflix

◼   ► there's a series which they fixed

◼   ► analyze series but it's called mine

◼   ► hunter have you happened to watch I just

◼   ► finished it last night

◼   ► yeah so no spoilers for mine hunter for

◼   ► the listeners but this is a mean plot

◼   ► device in

◼   ► Hunter is like building up insincere

◼   ► rapport yeah criminals the big

◼   ► difference there is I feel like in that

◼   ► show the FBI agents are talking to

◼   ► convicted criminals so I think there's a

◼   ► big difference when you talk about

◼   ► someone who has already been convicted

◼   ► at that point like do you want to build

◼   ► up a false rapport with them to get

◼   ► information like whatever I don't have a

◼   ► lot of problem with that but I do have

◼   ► much more of a problem when you're

◼   ► talking about someone who is presumed

◼   ► innocent someone who is just a suspect

◼   ► and yeah I have even more of a problem

◼   ► with it when the rapport that you're

◼   ► building is all pointing in a particular

◼   ► direction so the police officer is

◼   ► saying things like well we all get into

◼   ► fights with the people we love the most

◼   ► and he's like well I've never thought

◼   ► about divorcing my wife but I sure have

◼   ► thought about strangling her to death

◼   ► you know what I mean and it's like

◼   ► that's not building rapport that's how

◼   ► you start planting ideas in the mind of

◼   ► someone going through trauma it seems

◼   ► like it's rapport building and if the

◼   ► person was guilty maybe it would be

◼   ► which is also partly why I selected that

◼   ► episode because I feel like of all the

◼   ► episodes that is maybe the most

◼   ► ambiguous one hmm but it's like it's

◼   ► rapport building but it's rapport

◼   ► building that's pointing toward

◼   ► something so that's why I can't go along

◼   ► with it because it's also a person who

◼   ► is presumed innocent I mean we discuss

◼   ► this issue a bit I always feel like you

◼   ► see it in very black-and-white terms I

◼   ► don't feel like you sort of see some of

◼   ► the shades of grey involved but in some

◼   ► ways I think maybe you're right to be

◼   ► that way when the stakes are so high and

◼   ► it's important that a system retains so

◼   ► much integrity so it's it's it's hard to

◼   ► argue against you although I think in

◼   ► practice like I feel like a lot of

◼   ► crimes might go unsolved but I know

◼   ► you're kind of you know I'd rather have

◼   ► ten unsolved crimes than one falsely

◼   ► imprisoned person but yeah I mean again

◼   ► this is this is where the criminal

◼   ► justice system to me is is the most

◼   ► perfect example of this way I think

◼   ► about a lot of things in society where

◼   ► you can just there are outcomes you want

◼   ► and there are dials that you can turn

◼   ► on this big machine to try to get the

◼   ► outcomes that you want but you don't

◼   ► know exactly how far to turn all of

◼   ► those dials you don't know where to

◼   ► precisely tune them you can only have

◼   ► answers about tuning too far in one

◼   ► direction or tuning too far in the other

◼   ► direction and so yeah I'm particularly

◼   ► with criminal justice I'm always leaning

◼   ► on the side of if we have to tune too

◼   ► far in the direction of letting too many

◼   ► people go that is a vastly preferable

◼   ► option to convicting innocent people but

◼   ► there are shades of gray here but I just

◼   ► I I feel like I can't sign below the

◼   ► document that says I'm okay with using

◼   ► Dark Arts and tricks in the pursuit of

◼   ► justice even if you have the most noble

◼   ► of police officers behind that pursuit I

◼   ► hope you don't use any of these

◼   ► techniques on me when you lull me into

◼   ► talking about SpaceX and a lot of us

◼   ► could get myself into trouble but I'm

◼   ► the interviewer here coming alive you're

◼   ► the cop you're the cop I uh I could see

◼   ► why you'd think that Brady tell me more

◼   ► I'm just digging myself deeper and

◼   ► deeper yeah can I have an inbox full of

◼   ► Elon Musk fans now I'm making casual

◼   ► comments about the commercial nature of

◼   ► Tesla just unrelated to build rapport to

◼   ► you baby listeners don't know that we

◼   ► did discuss the commercial interests of

◼   ► the world for 20 minutes before we

◼   ► started recording coz I was trying to

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◼   ► show let's talk about hotmail for sir ok

◼   ► let's talk about a hotmail okay I

◼   ► actually have a lot of thoughts about

◼   ► hotmail ok I know I thought you might I

◼   ► thought you might so there was a story

◼   ► going around the other day about

◼   ► insurance companies and profiling they

◼   ► were using to set people's insurance

◼   ► rates and I think the original story was

◼   ► if people had a name that sounded though

◼   ► of a certain ethnicity they were having

◼   ► higher insurance rates set and that was

◼   ► obviously considered quite unfair and by

◼   ► most people but

◼   ► in the second day as the story rolled on

◼   ► it emerged that insurance companies were

◼   ► setting higher rates for people who were

◼   ► using hot mail addresses than other

◼   ► words they thought if you use hotmail

◼   ► you're obviously a greater insurance

◼   ► risk and you would have to pay higher

◼   ► premiums to insure you like car

◼   ► insurance or is just like an insurance

◼   ► company in general if it's car insurance

◼   ► I have a theory about this think it was

◼   ► car insurance in the story I read what

◼   ► do you think about that profiling by a

◼   ► choice of email sex this is kind of

◼   ► delightful because I think these stories

◼   ► come up with insurance okay isn't it

◼   ► this might be the most boring thing to

◼   ► ever say but I think it is fascinating

◼   ► the constraints that we want to put on

◼   ► insurance companies versus their

◼   ► actuarial knowledge of the world right

◼   ► so if anybody has accurate actuarial

◼   ► knowledge of the world it is insurance

◼   ► companies they will know correlations

◼   ► and expenses that is their their whole

◼   ► job but then there is this intersection

◼   ► where insurance companies run into the

◼   ► real world where we say like oh no no oh

◼   ► no no insurance company this correlation

◼   ► is not okay you can't use this and I

◼   ► feel like insurance companies are just

◼   ► at this this real intersection of these

◼   ► two things where's like they can know

◼   ► things but we forced them to pretend

◼   ► like they don't know things well I

◼   ► thought was it will get to a point where

◼   ► they're no longer like sharing risks

◼   ► right well yeah if they become old

◼   ► knowing insurance ceases to be insurance

◼   ► it just becomes paying first yeah but

◼   ► that's exactly like that is the super

◼   ► fascinating thing right because the only

◼   ► reason insurance exists is because they

◼   ► don't know everything but as their

◼   ► knowledge increases you are 100% right

◼   ► that the insurance company just trends

◼   ► toward the cost of the thing right and

◼   ► then it's like wait there's no business

◼   ► here at all right so is like insurance

◼   ► companies can only exist in a world that

◼   ► has some amount of in certainty and then

◼   ► we want to enforce uncertainty on them

◼   ► as well

◼   ► like the hotmail thing my total guests

◼   ► here for car insurance is that I'd be

◼   ► willing to bet that hotmail users trend

◼   ► much older on average than the general

◼   ► population and I'm gonna say that much

◼   ► older people are going to have higher

◼   ► rates of car accidents than the general

◼   ► that's not true I think older people get

◼   ► cheaper car insurance I think it's young

◼   ► 21 year old males that are most likely

◼   ► to wrap their car around a tree and that

◼   ► to me is the prime example of do you

◼   ► allow an insurance company to do this is

◼   ► the teenage boy driving a car if a car

◼   ► is going to be destroyed a teenage boy

◼   ► is going to do it and this is legal or

◼   ► not legal in various jurisdictions to

◼   ► say something like can you charge a

◼   ► teenage boy higher car insurance and

◼   ► some places say yes some places say no I

◼   ► was just suspecting that you would also

◼   ► have a higher incidence of accident for

◼   ► older drivers I'm at least thinking of

◼   ► places in America where I'm always

◼   ► horrified by people who are like wildly

◼   ► unqualified to be drivers who still have

◼   ► driver's licenses that is just my theory

◼   ► like what might hotmail be correlated

◼   ► with I mean you probably are right

◼   ► because you usually are but that

◼   ► wouldn't have been my guess I hadn't

◼   ► thought of hotmail users as being older

◼   ► I can see why you would say that but I

◼   ► thought it would be more the case that

◼   ► they were figuring hotmail users were

◼   ► less professional and therefore maybe

◼   ► less likely to be very responsible big

◼   ► yeah or just like you know anyone who's

◼   ► using hotmail has obviously made poor

◼   ► decisions in their life so they're going

◼   ► to make poor decisions on the road could

◼   ► also just be yes I had it since you're a

◼   ► boy great yeah no so I've just kept it

◼   ► so I do have my hotmail account I do

◼   ► have other I do have numerous other no

◼   ► of course you do but don't use that when

◼   ► you're applying for your insurance right

◼   ► that's that's what you don't want to do

◼   ► this is another dial of society that I

◼   ► don't really know how to adjust because

◼   ► in in general I feel like I'm okay with

◼   ► insurance companies charging different

◼   ► rates to different people but there

◼   ► would come a point where it's simply not

◼   ► insurance anymore if you just know too

◼   ► much about

◼   ► everybody so that like there's going to

◼   ► need to be something like that but I

◼   ► think the hotmail thing is funny and I

◼   ► personally don't have any problem with

◼   ► it whatsoever I don't know how people

◼   ► would react to this but I suspect that

◼   ► there are going to be vastly more and

◼   ► more things like this that come to light

◼   ► through big data analysis and through

◼   ► through this kind of thing where some of

◼   ► my favorite examples of this are

◼   ► innocuous questions you can ask people

◼   ► that will very rapidly zero in on things

◼   ► like who do they vote for in the last

◼   ► election and so you ask people questions

◼   ► like do you like dogs better than cats

◼   ► and questions like that that seem like

◼   ► they have nothing to do with anything

◼   ► and if you are picking really well

◼   ► chosen questions that have been

◼   ► developed from enormous databases of

◼   ► people's preferences you can

◼   ► surprisingly quickly zero in with a very

◼   ► high confidence interval on what did a

◼   ► person vote for in the previous election

◼   ► or all these kinds of things where again

◼   ► like people imagine that they are vastly

◼   ► different from other people but then

◼   ► they're not like there are patterns that

◼   ► exist here

◼   ► you know how they traditionally have

◼   ► some problems with political polling

◼   ► because people aren't always honest

◼   ► about who they vote for do you think it

◼   ► will ever get to a stage where those

◼   ► companies will ring people up and say do

◼   ► you like dogs do you like hamburgers

◼   ► where do you go on holiday and not even

◼   ► ask you who you voted for and say thank

◼   ► you very much and say okay Democrat

◼   ► voter well I wonder if it'll ever get to

◼   ► that point where they just don't trust

◼   ► your answer to who do you vote for and

◼   ► they use the other stuff to get to the

◼   ► truth instead I haven't seen something

◼   ► like that I have some come across some

◼   ► research which does things like using

◼   ► similar methods to estimate voter

◼   ► dishonesty right where you are looking

◼   ► at some information that you can gather

◼   ► about a person and then looking at their

◼   ► actual response and you can't know

◼   ► obviously perfectly but you can put

◼   ► higher or lower confidence intervals on

◼   ► was this person reporting the truth and

◼   ► it becomes very quickly very unlikely or

◼   ► very likely if you can gather enough

◼   ► information on this kind of thing so I

◼   ► do kind of think that that's the case I

◼   ► mean again this is this is much more an

◼   ► issue in the United States where you

◼   ► have to motivate people to go vote but

◼   ► this is this is a real science now of

◼   ► trying to drill down to very very

◼   ► particular individual people and knowing

◼   ► like when do you want to send them stuff

◼   ► in the mail to try to motivate them to

◼   ► vote and you can do that because you're

◼   ► highly confident about who they will

◼   ► vote for with the information that

◼   ► you're sending so I think that is kind

◼   ► of a thing already but either way I

◼   ► think insurance companies are gonna be

◼   ► at the forefront of this because they

◼   ► they are the ones who are at the

◼   ► bleeding edge of being able to extract

◼   ► value from knowing more and more about

◼   ► what data represents about a person's

◼   ► actions in the world

◼   ► actions in the world

◼   ► I like this podcast it's pretty cool and

◼   ► if you're someone who met someone who

◼   ► knows Brady I can confirm this podcast

◼   ► is legit

◼   ► Brady and gray have influenced

◼   ► real-world events such as the New

◼   ► Zealand flag referendum and a poll on

◼   ► some radio website or something about

◼   ► top audio personalities so rest assured

◼   ► reader this podcast is legit five stars

◼   ► we've been getting a lot of reviews

◼   ► Brady what was that you've met someone

◼   ► who knows someone who I don't even get

◼   ► that that was your call Brady you wanted

◼   ► like acquaintances that your wife was

◼   ► talking to when hello internet was

◼   ► mentioned in reference to you you wanted

◼   ► that person when they went to go look up

◼   ► the reviews on iTunes to see that the

◼   ► podcast was a big deal I've be crated

◼   ► back to myself this is the danger of

◼   ► this podcast sometimes when I make

◼   ► people oh this and they'll say some line

◼   ► at me like and I'll be like what are you

◼   ► talking about but you said that the

◼   ► things I say on the show you're missing

◼   ► out on your own in jokes I say a lot of

◼   ► rubbish I can't remember all of it you

◼   ► asked for something Brady and to quote

◼   ► Henry is cool one on iTunes yep five

◼   ► stars for Brady so he looks more popular

◼   ► five stars

◼   ► I appreciate the five stars yeah we have

◼   ► a ton of reviews they're very fun to

◼   ► read through and there was a very

◼   ► consistent theme through all of them

◼   ► have a hello internet reviewed numbers

◼   ► going like up high enough you know has

◼   ► there been a noticeable bump well I mean

◼   ► Brady we're trying to quench your thirst

◼   ► for recognition we're trying to feed

◼   ► your Hannity here I guess the question

◼   ► really it's not for me to answer if the

◼   ► reviews are enough I don't know if there

◼   ► is any number of reviews that will be

◼   ► enough for you look great I will go

◼   ► along with being stitched up like this

◼   ► and you know because I deserve oh yes

◼   ► yes dude stuff I'm pulling this just out

◼   ► of the air I'm making up things but if

◼   ► they put it in the right context like I

◼   ► didn't know the number right I don't

◼   ► know the number now it occurred to me

◼   ► that if anyone ever goes

◼   ► and looks checks will we look like we

◼   ► know what we're doing right without even

◼   ► having looked myself I just said if you

◼   ► haven't left a review go and do it

◼   ► because it'll look good for us like I'm

◼   ► not there like sitting there watching a

◼   ► counter and like keeping a notebook of

◼   ► the scores and ringing people up and

◼   ► saying have you looked at my reviews

◼   ► right it just occurred to me right not

◼   ► like the Radio Times contest right where

◼   ► that was occurring right no this is

◼   ► totally different that kind of got a bit

◼   ► out of control but I don't think that

◼   ► was my fault either that was a perfect

◼   ► storm that was nobody's fault I mean you

◼   ► can say what you want Brady

◼   ► but according to Raven ho 27 Brady's

◼   ► vanity knows no bounds five stars

◼   ► I'm just telling you what I'm reading

◼   ► here in black and white so when we were

◼   ► having the discussion last time there

◼   ► was a thing which I did not realize

◼   ► which is that iTunes does the counting

◼   ► of reviews separately for every country

◼   ► or I feel like that's a bit of a strange

◼   ► decision to make I don't quite

◼   ► understand why iTunes would say that Oh

◼   ► UK reviews are going to be in a

◼   ► different group than us reviews I don't

◼   ► quite understand that they do that

◼   ► across the whole platform great cuz when

◼   ► I go and look at what the top podcasts

◼   ► are it's always like 95,000 BBC podcasts

◼   ► which I'll come to in another episode

◼   ► sometime because I have thoughts about

◼   ► that and then there's like a couple of

◼   ► American ones and then that's it it's

◼   ► like does anyone else in the world make

◼   ► podcasts other than the baby say whereas

◼   ► I'm sure in America it's not completely

◼   ► dominated by the baby season I can get

◼   ► behind the idea of regional

◼   ► recommendations waiting a bit of white

◼   ► yeah a bit of waiting so when we were

◼   ► talking about having whatever it was

◼   ► like 600 views I think we were both

◼   ► looking at the iTunes U K store and so

◼   ► we're now closing in on like 1,100 of

◼   ► views on the U case or the US store

◼   ► though as you might imagine that's where

◼   ► the big explosion occurred because it

◼   ► seems like most of our listeners are in

◼   ► America or at least the plurality of

◼   ► listeners are in America and we went

◼   ► from something like I think it was

◼   ► somewhere like 2000 reviews to 4333

◼   ► reviews on the US store I feel like

◼   ► that's quite a bump it's such a bump

◼   ► that

◼   ► while I am making fun of you for your

◼   ► vanity that bump makes it feel like

◼   ► 10,000 is within our grasp like it's a

◼   ► thing that is possible

◼   ► Harry's : for the numbers now hey I'm

◼   ► just saying look before it never really

◼   ► crossed my mind but now it's like oh I

◼   ► can see it on the horizon it's not close

◼   ► but it's within our grasp Brady so I'm

◼   ► looking at this 4,000 number and I am

◼   ► finding myself thinking this needs to

◼   ► get to 10,000 I said 10,000 as a joke

◼   ► but it's a joke that has lodged itself

◼   ► in my mind so I can see that like we're

◼   ► close there we're close I would be

◼   ► willing to bet if you summed up all of

◼   ► the different country stores we actually

◼   ► probably do have 10,000 are pretty close

◼   ► to 10,000 but I feel like that doesn't

◼   ► count if your wife's friends

◼   ► acquaintances are looking up the show

◼   ► they're not going to sum it up that's

◼   ► not how that works I would love to see

◼   ► it actually hit 10,000 on at least one

◼   ► of the stores probably the US store I

◼   ► feel like right if we can get to 10,000

◼   ► in the UK it'll be like we've cracked

◼   ► America that's like every overseas

◼   ► entertainers dream isn't it you know

◼   ► yeah sure we've done well here in the

◼   ► colonies in that but if we can crack

◼   ► America we can make it anywhere

◼   ► meanwhile we have eight reviews in the

◼   ► de poele store

◼   ► I'll take her I'll take the I hope we're

◼   ► doing well in the pollen I hope you have

◼   ► a high five star rating over there I was

◼   ► making that up I haven't like set up a

◼   ► VPN hidden the poll to see what I mean

◼   ► great lady you can on iTunes you can

◼   ► scroll down to the very bottom and click

◼   ► the little flag and then you can switch

◼   ► to a different country to try to see how

◼   ► you're doing in different spots all

◼   ► right but anyway so yes I have found it

◼   ► interesting the reviews make me laugh

◼   ► people are always funny on the internet

◼   ► but aside from the reviews mocking your

◼   ► vanity there was also a very consistent

◼   ► theme which is people saying like I love

◼   ► this podcast but it's really hard to

◼   ► describe why I have no ability to

◼   ► describe why I like the show and why I

◼   ► listen to it but I really like it five

◼   ► stars so I enjoyed those as well I

◼   ► sympathize with you people because I

◼   ► have the same problem every time I tell

◼   ► someone I'd do a podcast oh I do a

◼   ► podcast oh what's a code and then I've

◼   ► got a let's say hello internet which I'm

◼   ► a bit embarrassed about and they like

◼   ► are really oh what's that about and then

◼   ► I'm like

◼   ► it's kind of like nerdy stuff and flags

◼   ► I feel like we've lured a lot of like

◼   ► vexillology people in under false

◼   ► pretenses and we haven't been delivering

◼   ► lately I think we need a flag bonanza

◼   ► sometime soon I'll see what we can do

◼   ► there but in the meantime I couldn't

◼   ► help but check and just load it up in

◼   ► Nepal store yeah all right what are we

◼   ► on let me guess

◼   ► I'm gonna go with two you are exactly

◼   ► right two reviews in the fall but the

◼   ► store is listing us as not having

◼   ► received enough ratings to display an

◼   ► average for this podcast so get on it

◼   ► Nepalese did they write anything one

◼   ► review is from Nepal and then they put

◼   ► the Nepal flag emoji

◼   ► which I feel like is his on point not

◼   ► realizing that their review would only

◼   ► be displayed in Nepal Nepal we need to

◼   ► let's aim for a target in Nepal of eight

◼   ► thousand eight hundred years because

◼   ► there's the high of Mount Everest in

◼   ► meters I can't any think we're gonna get

◼   ► past 29,000 which would be in fate for

◼   ► it now Freddie that's that's insanity

◼   ► don't ask for unreasonable goals don't

◼   ► do that

◼   ► just the reasonable goals the reason

◼   ► we're goals on the horizon so close the

◼   ► last time Brady we were discussing the

◼   ► airline safety videos and since that

◼   ► episode went up I discovered that it is

◼   ► still Comic Relief season in British

◼   ► Airways comic relief meaning they're

◼   ► taking a break from anything funny I got

◼   ► to see the video twice the space of like

◼   ► eight hours because I ended up flying

◼   ► out to the continent and back on the

◼   ► same day and I was like oh my god I

◼   ► can't believe I can't believe this like

◼   ► Here I am

◼   ► and as I oh god it's so awful I took a

◼   ► little video I put up on Twitter Comic

◼   ► Relief season maybe it never ends well

◼   ► it's not even Comic Relief year this

◼   ► year so they're clearly not bounded by

◼   ► any season here they're just going for I

◼   ► really resent that video as like the

◼   ► kids and watching it anymore but anyway

◼   ► the biggest universal piece of feedback

◼   ► that I received from people is hey why

◼   ► are you watching this anyway why don't

◼   ► you just put on your headphones like a

◼   ► normal person and not not paying

◼   ► attention to this hmm you know what

◼   ► that's an excellent point this is

◼   ► one of these moments where I realized

◼   ► that there is something that I have not

◼   ► really weighted in my life which is as I

◼   ► have mentioned on the show my mom was a

◼   ► flight attendant for many many many

◼   ► years and like because of that I always

◼   ► felt like when the flight attendants are

◼   ► doing the safety demonstration you

◼   ► should pay attention because it's rude

◼   ► not to pay attention I also feel like I

◼   ► something I could be told off for like

◼   ► because being at airports and Airlines

◼   ► is always a time of like we've talked

◼   ► about before you're like hyper

◼   ► conscientious mmm you answer all the

◼   ► questions you know how have you did you

◼   ► pack any scissors no I didn't you were

◼   ► very deliberate yeah and I feel like if

◼   ► I don't watch the safety video I'm doing

◼   ► something wrong and they could like

◼   ► throw me off the plane or or worse yet

◼   ► tell me off in front of other people hmm

◼   ► so I feel like I kind of deliberately

◼   ► would take off my headphones and watch

◼   ► the video just to be like bit of a goody

◼   ► two-shoes and show you the it fly

◼   ► attendants that yes I'm doing what I'm

◼   ► supposed to do I'm a good person yeah

◼   ► there is definitely a part of that

◼   ► there's like such a different mindset

◼   ► when you're at airports and when you're

◼   ► flying it's like you're a different

◼   ► person

◼   ► any other there is a deliberateness and

◼   ► showing that like I'm a person who's

◼   ► paying attention yeah you want to be

◼   ► sane to do the right thing right I'm in

◼   ► the exit row and I'm not a person that

◼   ► you have to worry about flight attendant

◼   ► I'm a reasonable person I'm not gonna

◼   ► cause any problems here I also realized

◼   ► that a transfer had happened in my mind

◼   ► that when I was a kid and growing up and

◼   ► if I was on an airplane with my parents

◼   ► you know my mom would like we take out

◼   ► the safety card and she look we know

◼   ► let's look at where the exits are let's

◼   ► make sure you recognize visually where

◼   ► the exits are because as she used to

◼   ► always say if you like if this plane is

◼   ► going down my son is going to survive

◼   ► right he's gonna know where the exits

◼   ► are he's gonna get out of this and it's

◼   ► like okay yeah now if the planes going

◼   ► down I'm gonna make sure I'm not one of

◼   ► the people who dies on this plane and

◼   ► then that's also just paying attention

◼   ► to the flight attendants during the

◼   ► safety demonstration but they were

◼   ► always people when I was a kid and I

◼   ► never really thought about it but there

◼   ► has been this very slow very gradual

◼   ► transition over time too

◼   ► the frequency of getting a safety

◼   ► demonstration from an actual human going

◼   ► down and the probability of watching a

◼   ► video going up even on relatively small

◼   ► planes where it's been the longer

◼   ► holdout that there's a person doing the

◼   ► safety demonstration even on the smaller

◼   ► planes now it's very very likely that

◼   ► you're going to be watching an actual

◼   ► video and somehow this transition

◼   ► happened so slowly and gradually that I

◼   ► feel like the respect that I felt I

◼   ► needed to accord a human being

◼   ► transferred to the machine that's just

◼   ► showing me this stupid comedy video

◼   ► that's why the safety videos have

◼   ► bothered me is because I've always felt

◼   ► like I need to watch this out of some

◼   ► kind of respect but I don't think I do

◼   ► anymore

◼   ► especially not if they're going to be

◼   ► propagandizing me with ten thousand

◼   ► viewings of the same unfunny thing I

◼   ► feel like you know what safety video

◼   ► that doesn't have specifics about this

◼   ► airplane anyway I don't need to watch

◼   ► you I don't need to pay attention and I

◼   ► think if the flight attendant is just

◼   ► going to think worse of me because I put

◼   ► my headphones on when I don't want to

◼   ► watch the safety video I think I'm just

◼   ► gonna eat that in terms of social

◼   ► respectability I think that's that's

◼   ► what's gonna happen going forward that

◼   ► observation you makes interesting though

◼   ► isn't it because even when they show

◼   ► safety videos now on most of the planes

◼   ► I've been on the flight attendants will

◼   ► still sort of stand in the corridor and

◼   ► they might wave their arms once or twice

◼   ► in the general direction of an excerpt

◼   ► but they always seem to be sort of

◼   ► standing there unnecessarily

◼   ► maybe that's why they're standing there

◼   ► because they're tapping into that old

◼   ► emotion that if someone's standing there

◼   ► like if they're making the effort you

◼   ► have to make the effort and if they just

◼   ► went about their business and made

◼   ► coffee and sat down and you know checked

◼   ► their hair in the mirror you wouldn't

◼   ► watch the video but because they are

◼   ► standing there and they're making the

◼   ► effort you make the effort

◼   ► it's probably like a rule I bet that

◼   ► they do have to stand there even then

◼   ► the number of things that the flight

◼   ► attendants are actually doing has

◼   ► dramatically decreased oh yeah or maybe

◼   ► the one of their jobs is to make sure

◼   ► people are watching and that's a good

◼   ► place to do it from that's why they

◼   ► stand there they must have to stand

◼   ► there for a reason I mean the reason is

◼   ► not to tell off people with headphones

◼   ► on because they certainly don't then I'm

◼   ► the only sucker sitting there watching

◼   ► the safety video and thinking how God

◼   ► not again don't make me watch the joke

◼   ► about the sea

◼   ► belt one more time they don't tell you

◼   ► off if you're wearing your headphones so

◼   ► I don't know what you're listening to

◼   ► you could be listening to that too yes

◼   ► I'm sure that's what I'm doing as I'm

◼   ► looking at my iPad with my headphones on

◼   ► and clearly writing stuff on the screen

◼   ► oh yes I'm I'm making notes on the

◼   ► safety video that's that's what I'm

◼   ► doing right now I'm certainly not doing

◼   ► my crash notes I do just want to be

◼   ► clear though that even though I am going

◼   ► to pay less attention to the safety

◼   ► videos in the future I reserve the right

◼   ► to complain about safety videos in the

◼   ► future oh yeah reserving the right to

◼   ► complain is like the hello Internet my

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◼   ► not looking forward to this

◼   ► why not breathing because although I

◼   ► will battle on and will not cave to the

◼   ► cheer pressure mm-hmm I know I'm gonna

◼   ► get okay you know you're waiting in to a

◼   ► forest of to your pressure I know how

◼   ► people feel about SpaceX and they're

◼   ► starting to not like if I say anything

◼   ► negative more than they used to so just

◼   ► to put it in context at the time of

◼   ► recording it's just a day actually I

◼   ► think since SpaceX had this historic

◼   ► historic moment for the company where

◼   ► they did their first launch of the

◼   ► so-called Falcon Heavy which is the more

◼   ► powerful rocket which can throw things

◼   ► further out into space and it's a big

◼   ► milestone in the efforts to you know get

◼   ► to Mars because you're going to need

◼   ► these bigger rockets to get beyond Earth

◼   ► orbit yeah my understanding is that this

◼   ► is like a cargo rocket that's the idea

◼   ► of it is it's it's for transporting a

◼   ► non-trivial amount of stuff into space

◼   ► yeah I imagine it what can also probably

◼   ► transport manned craft I don't know

◼   ► where exactly where that's heading but

◼   ► what they had in at this time of course

◼   ► was this Tesla Roadster car which

◼   ► resulted in quite a substantial amount

◼   ► of publicity they used Elon Musk's red

◼   ► car with a mannequin astronaut at the

◼   ► wheel as like their test payload mm-hmm

◼   ► and it was all very successful so how am

◼   ► I gonna do this gray do I get my gripes

◼   ► out the way first or do i do them last

◼   ► or do we go chronological or oh I wasn't

◼   ► going to watch this live I was aware it

◼   ► was happening because of Twitter but I

◼   ► was not paying much attention and I

◼   ► actually got a phone call from Duke of

◼   ► Venezuela and he said are you watching

◼   ► are you gonna watch it so I said alright

◼   ► I'll watch oh and I watched him he

◼   ► didn't call me no I totally missed out

◼   ► on this because I was busy watching a

◼   ► chick flick at the time I really didn't

◼   ► have any idea well I was in the bath

◼   ► when he code so I can top that

◼   ► by anyway so I watched up I watched the

◼   ► livestream along with all the other

◼   ► SpaceX diehards and the rest of the

◼   ► world and so I'm willing to talk about

◼   ► on hello Internet if you were because

◼   ► you have watched as well now gray at my

◼   ► request haven't you but lately it's been

◼   ► a very busy week but yes you sent me the

◼   ► video you told me the relevant sections

◼   ► to watch and so I I have seen the the

◼   ► take off to reveal and the landing part

◼   ► of the of the launch mera yet so let me

◼   ► say when people criticize things that

◼   ► doesn't mean they don't necessarily like

◼   ► it gray and I criticize Star Wars all

◼   ► day long but where Star Wars fans mm-hmm

◼   ► so just because I say negative things

◼   ► you know that just happens you know

◼   ► that's just part of being a critic right

◼   ► which is what we sometimes do but my

◼   ► overall feeling watching the launch was

◼   ► one of very great excitement more than I

◼   ► would have expected partly maybe because

◼   ► it was live and I knew you know

◼   ► something could go wrong and I felt

◼   ► myself really really hoping nothing

◼   ► would go wrong mm-hmm

◼   ► which is you know nice in itself and

◼   ► also for the first time I was sort of

◼   ► thinking do you know what we might

◼   ► actually go like to Mars and stuff while

◼   ► I'm still alive that's a very exciting

◼   ► feeling mm-hmm so I was very excited by

◼   ► it I thought it it looked fantastic

◼   ► they're getting so good at covering

◼   ► these things now and coverage has

◼   ► improved so much that of course it's

◼   ► gonna look fantastic but you know the

◼   ► shots were good and the tracking shots

◼   ► were good the landing of the two

◼   ► boosters when they came back down like

◼   ► in sync and landed was remarkable I

◼   ► don't think that will ever get old the

◼   ► sight of those boosters landing like a

◼   ► couple of newborn giraffes trying to

◼   ► walk on ice and you think surely those

◼   ► things are gonna fall over and they

◼   ► stuck it which was amazing I know the

◼   ► one out to sea had a big smash and

◼   ► didn't land properly but I think that is

◼   ► a fantastic looking thing and I think

◼   ► that's becoming the new kind of iconic

◼   ► image of launchers like in the days of

◼   ► Saturn the iconic shot was always you

◼   ► know that one with us like a camera on

◼   ► the on the gantry and you're really

◼   ► close to the rocket and you'd always see

◼   ► the fire and the ice falling off and

◼   ► you'd see us a go past I know the exact

◼   ► shot

◼   ► you're talking about that is that that

◼   ► is the iconic we're flying in a space

◼   ► yeah funnily enough I think the iconic

◼   ► shot now is those are those boosters

◼   ► landing which is funny because it's not

◼   ► the launch but I agree that that is

◼   ► really impressive and it's way more

◼   ► impressive than the launch yeah I found

◼   ► watching the launch much more

◼   ► interesting than I expected

◼   ► it's one of those things where I don't

◼   ► really have any sense of scale like I

◼   ► don't actually understand what is the

◼   ► size of this compared to like a Saturn 5

◼   ► rocket I don't understand but on the

◼   ► video it just looks huge and it looks

◼   ► powerful with all of those boosters it

◼   ► should look like a hell of a thing

◼   ► taking off but I would say watching the

◼   ► two boosters then return to Earth and

◼   ► land vertically simultaneously I mean it

◼   ► literally gave me chills I thought like

◼   ► that is just such a crazy technological

◼   ► achievement that it's it's just

◼   ► impossible to fathom

◼   ► obviously the launch of the payload is

◼   ► the part that really matters here but

◼   ► the booster landing is incredible and

◼   ► it's it's a thing that in our previous

◼   ► conversations about SpaceX I feel like I

◼   ► didn't really understand at that point

◼   ► in time and this one was like wow that

◼   ► is amazing to see I don't get all

◼   ► excited about it because I think oh wow

◼   ► this is gonna make space travel cheaper

◼   ► like that's just boring accounting the

◼   ► thing that about it that I'm amazed by

◼   ► is just how awesome it looks like it

◼   ► just looks like made up so good on them

◼   ► but just one last thing about the launch

◼   ► and the coverage of the launch that I

◼   ► watched and this is where I will upset

◼   ► some people

◼   ► the editorial decision that was made to

◼   ► give so much prominence to the cheering

◼   ► and hollering of the SpaceX employees

◼   ► who were watching this happen which made

◼   ► it feel more like a sporting event than

◼   ► a scientific moment or an engineering

◼   ► moment and I'm not opposed to them

◼   ► getting excited and cheering and like a

◼   ► lot of people said to me ah it added to

◼   ► the drama and I think a little bit of it

◼   ► maybe would have added to the drama

◼   ► cutting to them occasionally or showing

◼   ► them but I thought it was

◼   ► too much for me it was laid on too thick

◼   ► they were carrying on like a bunch of

◼   ► frat boys and from the shots they showed

◼   ► they were mainly boys so I don't feel

◼   ► bad saying that they were carrying on

◼   ► like pork chops at one point I heard

◼   ► them go spook spook spooks like they

◼   ► were superbowl people drinking from a

◼   ► keg before the game for me it was like

◼   ► it trampled all over the moment and it

◼   ► wasn't like a bit of like controlled

◼   ► excitement where the cool heads of the

◼   ► of the engineers were saying come on

◼   ► everyone let's come down I know you're

◼   ► excited but this is like this is serious

◼   ► business here

◼   ► it was just like hollering and whooping

◼   ► and no I thought it was too much and it

◼   ► was an editorial decision because they

◼   ► deliberately injected it all the way

◼   ► through and they were cheering for every

◼   ► single step that happened which you know

◼   ► because they're engineers I get that

◼   ► they're excited and each step was

◼   ► another milestone for them okay we've

◼   ► now gone to full electronic control

◼   ► inside the rocket like come on man this

◼   ► is like this is undignified

◼   ► you're such a party pooper I'm not

◼   ► objecting to their excitement and a

◼   ► little bit of it it was very American

◼   ► and it trampled all over the moment for

◼   ► me and I know how much that upsets

◼   ► people because it's all about the

◼   ► employees and they had their names

◼   ► written on the on the rocket and they're

◼   ► the heroes of the day but I don't think

◼   ► it was done with a very good Sensibility

◼   ► I also would love to know where their

◼   ► contingency was if the rocket had blown

◼   ► up like were they going to cut that fade

◼   ► or were they still going to show those

◼   ► people then fall in a heap I'd love to

◼   ► know what the plan was but we'll never

◼   ► know because thankfully it didn't blow

◼   ► up yes thankfully it didn't blow up

◼   ► Brady you like space exploration much

◼   ► better when it's boring guys and ties in

◼   ► Houston not finding a proxy nuclear war

◼   ► with the Soviet Union oh well I mean

◼   ► obviously I'm a real fan of it but like

◼   ► I love the dignity of then they were

◼   ► bottling it up because they knew they

◼   ► had a job to do and when they got

◼   ► excited they be told hang on don't be

◼   ► excited there's more to come come on

◼   ► well we're professionals we're

◼   ► scientists were engineers we know the

◼   ► risks here and I know these people

◼   ► weren't like on shift

◼   ► I was gonna say I don't think this was

◼   ► like the people in the night crew yeah

◼   ► bunch of people who were standing around

◼   ► like it looked like engineers who had

◼   ► worked on the thing yeah and and it's

◼   ► great that they were made so much a part

◼   ► of it I just thought I don't know they

◼   ► were turned up to lay out they was laid

◼   ► on too thick and it was a bit like can

◼   ► everyone just shut up for a minute I'm

◼   ► trying to hear what's going on and like

◼   ► I don't think they got the balance right

◼   ► of that part of the broadcast and here

◼   ► we're just talking about cosmetics of

◼   ► course this is just the broadcast this

◼   ► has got nothing to do with the

◼   ► accomplishment or the fate and yes I

◼   ► know they're happy and I know they're

◼   ► proud and I know they're responsible and

◼   ► I know all that stuff but I'm not the

◼   ► only one who thought that by the way

◼   ► what did you think you watched it what

◼   ► did you think I'm laughing because I had

◼   ► a bit of a different reaction I was

◼   ► aware that there was a ton of cheering

◼   ► and that's obviously like an editorial

◼   ► decision

◼   ► I didn't mind because I do think it

◼   ► makes it more exciting to watch than if

◼   ► they just had the audio feed from

◼   ► Mission Control and you were hearing the

◼   ► the people who were actually working

◼   ► just saying whatever they need to say

◼   ► sort of like when we when we've

◼   ► discussed the audio logs from plane

◼   ► crashes I'm always struck by how

◼   ► professional those recordings are and

◼   ► how calm the pilots are under

◼   ► circumstances where I would be screaming

◼   ► and they're just like we're reporting

◼   ► the second engine is out on the

◼   ► right-hand side it's like oh my god dude

◼   ► but that's what you need when it's a

◼   ► professional environment right I want a

◼   ► playlist who's able to just do that

◼   ► because it is like keep it together man

◼   ► I'm fine with the yelling in the

◼   ► excitement because part of what SpaceX

◼   ► is doing here is almost like a

◼   ► recruitment video for like future

◼   ► engineers for working at SpaceX like you

◼   ► want a thing that's exciting so I

◼   ► totally get that at one point they had

◼   ► two commentators who just start talking

◼   ► and then for me that's where am I think

◼   ► like stop talking comment are you

◼   ► talking over the thing like I don't want

◼   ► to hear it whatever user just show me

◼   ► the feet I can see it on the screen I

◼   ► don't need to talking heads telling me

◼   ► that I'm looking at a rocket going into

◼   ► space like obviously they turned it into

◼   ► a sports coverage I have the hollering

◼   ► you know frat boys they've got the

◼   ► glitzy good-looking young commentators

◼   ► who are sitting there at the day

◼   ► giving us some punditry and filling time

◼   ► and that they're turning until uh yeah

◼   ► it's the Superbowl of space the thing

◼   ► that it made me think of it's like this

◼   ► is an old rage comic which I wonder if

◼   ► anybody can find on the internet it's

◼   ► forever old but it always made me laugh

◼   ► so hard and it was a comic that somebody

◼   ► made when the Royal Wedding happened

◼   ► years ago and it shows that like a guy

◼   ► who's sitting at home who doesn't really

◼   ► care about the Royal Wedding and he just

◼   ► turns it on and he's watching it he

◼   ► starts getting more and more into the

◼   ► Royal Wedding

◼   ► and then Katie Couric is doing the

◼   ► narration about what's happening on the

◼   ► wedding and like the caption has like

◼   ► shut the fuck up Katie Couric I just

◼   ► want to watch as pretty princess getting

◼   ► married that was kind of my feeling with

◼   ► the space launch is like when the two

◼   ► commentators start talking is like shut

◼   ► the fuck up I just want to watch the

◼   ► rocket I don't really want to hear your

◼   ► comments on this so that's where it

◼   ► bothered me more is like the words but

◼   ► the cheering I don't know personally I

◼   ► can see why some people might think it

◼   ► was a bit much because it was a lot but

◼   ► the cheering I was okay with I think it

◼   ► made it more exciting to watch so I

◼   ► can't get with you on this one I would

◼   ► have cut to the cheering mm-hmm as it

◼   ► lifted off the pad mm-hmm but all the

◼   ► other cheering throughout the whole

◼   ► process from like three or four minutes

◼   ► before to five minutes after it just

◼   ► been little de Anna you know what it did

◼   ► make it more exciting

◼   ► but open-heart surgery would be more

◼   ► exciting if you had a thousand people

◼   ► cheering as it happened it doesn't mean

◼   ► it's like appropriate that's not what

◼   ► was really going on the people who are

◼   ► making this happened well I just I don't

◼   ► know I like the image in my head of

◼   ► broadcaster Brady who's managing all the

◼   ► live streams for SpaceX and the Rockets

◼   ► going up you have your hand on the dial

◼   ► for how much crowd cheering we can hear

◼   ► and you turn it up as the rocket goes up

◼   ► you give it a second dip and then Brady

◼   ► turns it down that's enough of that

◼   ► people just turns it and I would have

◼   ► had okay now's a good time cut to the

◼   ► frat boys let's see them jumping up and

◼   ► down give them a few seconds well

◼   ► include er include them as part of it

◼   ► but it just overwhelmed it anyway

◼   ► obviously obviously I'm in the minority

◼   ► here and so be it let's get to the

◼   ► business of the car in space okay all

◼   ► right so to the final stage we had

◼   ► bolted this Tesla Roadster

◼   ► which I didn't realize of course I

◼   ► should have realized cuz of course it

◼   ► always has to be this way was going to

◼   ► like do some laps of the earth before it

◼   ► got flung out into the far reaches of

◼   ► the solar system mm-hmm and I have a few

◼   ► thoughts about it but the first thing I

◼   ► have to say is I was not prepared for

◼   ► how awesome it would look like when they

◼   ► started cutting to those shots and you

◼   ► had the live stream of it and like the

◼   ► thing was just slowly rotating and the

◼   ► earth was just like creeping into shock

◼   ► behind

◼   ► spaceman star man in the red car it was

◼   ► like I couldn't stop looking at it and I

◼   ► was like like I had to show people I

◼   ► would like say to my wife oh my goodness

◼   ► you just have to look at this and I'd be

◼   ► watching her and she'd be like yeah okay

◼   ► I've seen it but like I found it

◼   ► completely hypnotic artistically it was

◼   ► like it looked impressive yeah I'll

◼   ► completely agree with you there this is

◼   ► how I was aware the event occurred

◼   ► because when I was done watching my

◼   ► chick flick and I've turned on Twitter

◼   ► realize like what are all these pictures

◼   ► is from space of this car like I had a

◼   ► weird experience of the pictures look so

◼   ► in some sense so strange like I had a

◼   ► very hard time understanding out of

◼   ► context what is this actually a

◼   ► photograph of and so I had to do a

◼   ► little bit of digging around about like

◼   ► what does this situation actually look

◼   ► like not just from the the camera that's

◼   ► on the the front of this car like what

◼   ► is what is the actual situation that I'm

◼   ► looking at but the pictures themselves

◼   ► they're very impressive but there's

◼   ► almost like sort of like the Maryland

◼   ► point where a photo can become so

◼   ► impressive it becomes unreal looking

◼   ► like I have a hard time looking at those

◼   ► photos and thinking of them as real even

◼   ► though I know they are it's just like

◼   ► I'm looking at a car floating above the

◼   ► earth my brain does not process this as

◼   ► a real image it looks very strange so

◼   ► should they have sent a car to space or

◼   ► not yeah of course why not

◼   ► what can be the reason to not do well

◼   ► here's what I think about it it looked

◼   ► amazing as like an artistic project as a

◼   ► piece of art I think that warrants it

◼   ► like it just you know sometimes you have

◼   ► to do something

◼   ► I mean musk himself

◼   ► sometimes you just have to do something

◼   ► because it's fun and a bit crazy hmm

◼   ► and I think that completely justifies it

◼   ► and I think you know and whether or not

◼   ► they sent up sculpture or a bright red

◼   ► car with the with an astronaut the wheel

◼   ► which was a bit more funny or whatever

◼   ► they decided to send up okay they they

◼   ► decided to make it an artistic project

◼   ► the main argument that burns on the

◼   ► internet about this was if they're going

◼   ► to spend all that money could they have

◼   ► used a payload that had a bit more

◼   ► scientific value like they didn't want

◼   ► to risk some billion-dollar satellite

◼   ► but could they have sent something up

◼   ► that was like more useful and that's

◼   ► like you know I think your position

◼   ► that's clear from your noise I

◼   ► understand the reason why people want to

◼   ► go down that road

◼   ► yeah but they that road never ends okay

◼   ► well you could always in theory spend

◼   ► more money in a more practical way

◼   ► there's a never a time that is not true

◼   ► that argument on its own I find never

◼   ► convincing oh this money could have been

◼   ► spent in a more effective way of course

◼   ► all money that could be true so I just

◼   ► don't find that interesting I agree with

◼   ► you and I think doing something artistic

◼   ► and fun is good mm-hmm

◼   ► here's the one problem I have with it

◼   ► though and that is the muddy water that

◼   ► is created by the commercial aspect of

◼   ► it because ela must run SpaceX and he's

◼   ► got grand plans for it he also runs

◼   ► Tesla which is you know losing a bit of

◼   ► money at the moment and they're trying

◼   ► to make a successful business out of it

◼   ► this was fantastic publicity and

◼   ► promotion for the Tesla company and I

◼   ► think that's where it starts getting a

◼   ► bit blurrier between doing something for

◼   ► fun and something artistic that just

◼   ► tickled the world and inspired people

◼   ► which is what it did without question

◼   ► it's a very inspiring thing to do and a

◼   ► very viral thing to do and in fairness

◼   ► to Tesla and Elon Musk I do think they

◼   ► showed restraint you know they didn't

◼   ► have big bright Tesla signs everywhere

◼   ► and make it look too commercial I think

◼   ► they showed a lot of dignity in that

◼   ► respect the dashboard said don't panic

◼   ► it didn't say for 25 percent off your

◼   ► next Tesla offer code spaceman right at

◼   ► your local dealer right looks like

◼   ► that's not what they did

◼   ► so yeah there was not an overabundance

◼   ► of commercial this year exactly they did

◼   ► show restraint but I do think it is

◼   ► still a little bit muddy

◼   ► I mean he's you know they're paying for

◼   ► it themselves it's not I don't know how

◼   ► much taxpayer money went into this whole

◼   ► thing I don't know if they you know are

◼   ► paying the normal rates for the use of

◼   ► the NASA facilities or not but you know

◼   ► they're paying for it so to some extent

◼   ► I'm completely on board with them doing

◼   ► what they want with their rocket but you

◼   ► do know I worry about the

◼   ► commercialization of space and coca-cola

◼   ► billboards and things like that and this

◼   ► still was a little bit promotional and I

◼   ► think that's what left me with a little

◼   ► bit of unease about it like you can't

◼   ► just say ah I did this for fun because I

◼   ► thought it would be funny and I just

◼   ► needed some weight there's certainly a

◼   ► marketing and promotional agenda at play

◼   ► here that is legitimate and no one's

◼   ► breaking any rules or anything but it

◼   ► just feels a bit like okay yeah I

◼   ► selling a few cars while you're there

◼   ► are you mate okay so yeah I feel like I

◼   ► I don't understand the parameters of

◼   ► what you mean by muddied the only

◼   ► comparison I could think of here is like

◼   ► Steve Jobs being so involved in Pixar

◼   ► and Apple and so then you had like cross

◼   ► promotion between those companies but I

◼   ► feel like at least from what I have read

◼   ► about the greater musk Empire like the

◼   ► Solar City Tesla and SpaceX are

◼   ► companies that are sharing a lot of

◼   ► technology between them yeah so there's

◼   ► something to me that I just I do not

◼   ► think that these companies are as

◼   ► separate as normal companies would be so

◼   ► I guess I'm just I'm not quite

◼   ► understanding what you're saying money

◼   ► people complaining about a lack of

◼   ► quarantining between his different

◼   ► business is it more like the humanity

◼   ► star it's just the fact that there's

◼   ► like a tesla going around earth I feel

◼   ► like this was like a big milestone for

◼   ► space exploration certainly that's how

◼   ► it's been pitched and having a carrot

◼   ► virtus man bolted to the front of it

◼   ► feels like cheapening it a bit and by

◼   ► the way I'm also well aware that I wear

◼   ► an amiga watch that was the one they

◼   ► wore on the moon and all the marketing

◼   ► involved with it as well say like I'm

◼   ► aware this goes back to the days of NASA

◼   ► too

◼   ► right this was a bit more overt

◼   ► obviously a bright red car with a

◼   ► mannequin at the steering wheel rather

◼   ► than oh we need a watch who are we gonna

◼   ► get out what just from it's certainly

◼   ► easier to spot on the live stream than

◼   ► the bridge I've watched the astronauts

◼   ► are wearing when they landed on the moon

◼   ► yes that's for sure it just felt

◼   ► promotional it's a bit like did you have

◼   ► to try and flog your cars at the same

◼   ► time too

◼   ► don't get me wrong I like the whimsy of

◼   ► it and like the fun of it and I'm

◼   ► totally on board with that and it

◼   ► totally worked on me it totally worked

◼   ► on me but at the same time I was

◼   ► thinking I yep pocketing a few extra

◼   ► bucks there Hey

◼   ► yeah let's push the business it's like

◼   ► if you know when if Neil Armstrong and

◼   ► Buzz Aldrin went to the moon and they

◼   ► stuck a flag in the soil and it had the

◼   ► General Motors logo on it instead of

◼   ► America because General Motors had paid

◼   ► them you know five hundred million you'd

◼   ► be thinking man that was a pretty

◼   ► historic moment to be vlogging cars I

◼   ► think that there is something

◼   ► interesting about your thoughts here

◼   ► that I can't quite grasp why I don't

◼   ► agree with you on this and I think like

◼   ► so the General Motors one is an

◼   ► interesting comparison and it's like I

◼   ► agree under that circumstance if they

◼   ► got out and they put a GM flag on the

◼   ► moon because GM sponsored the NASA space

◼   ► flight it would feel like oh that's sad

◼   ► but I wouldn't feel that way if in an

◼   ► alternate universe of history the United

◼   ► States government wasn't actually the

◼   ► primary mover and the primary mover was

◼   ► GE like an n GE was the entity that was

◼   ► doing the space exploration in a much

◼   ► more direct way I guess this is partly

◼   ► like I don't really care what the entity

◼   ► is and in some ways like when NASA does

◼   ► a thing they're selling the idea that

◼   ► America has nuclear superiority during

◼   ► the Cold War and when SpaceX is doing a

◼   ► thing they are selling the idea of

◼   ► increased cargo capacity to space I

◼   ► don't see those things as wildly

◼   ► different I'll tell you where the

◼   ► problem comes from and I know there's a

◼   ► difference here between a businessman

◼   ► and a commercial entity and for example

◼   ► say governments and politicians right

◼   ► but people have a resist

◼   ► well some people have a resistance to

◼   ► people in positions of great power and

◼   ► authority using that to give themselves

◼   ► even more and the best example I could

◼   ► think of was say you elected a leader of

◼   ► a country you know you elected someone

◼   ► your president or prime minister and

◼   ► they happen to own a bunch of hotels or

◼   ► golf courses or something like that and

◼   ► when they became leader they started

◼   ► using all their facilities and their

◼   ► commercial interests in the duties of

◼   ► their political office you'd start to

◼   ► think hang on you're using that to your

◼   ► advantage to feather your own nest and

◼   ► like you shouldn't be leveraging that

◼   ► position of power yeah and I taught I

◼   ► totally agree with you that right like

◼   ► that's also a case but that seems much

◼   ► more like a like a conflict of interest

◼   ► yeah between the role of a civil servant

◼   ► and the role of a businessperson I said

◼   ► at the start I say a difference but he

◼   ► is leveraging a position of great brute

◼   ► force and power financial power and you

◼   ► know privilege and collaboration with

◼   ► the government and things that help

◼   ► SpaceX like the SpaceX has a lot of

◼   ► government contracts so he's like he's

◼   ► got into this position of great power

◼   ► and great influence and then bolting his

◼   ► car from his other company on the front

◼   ► while he's at it

◼   ► fear was in this in a similar vein it's

◼   ► not the same but it feels in a similar

◼   ► vein it's like okay so you've built this

◼   ► rocket company and you're getting all

◼   ► these government contracts and you're

◼   ► like you're launching from a NASA

◼   ► facility and that and while you're there

◼   ► you're thinking oh let's Chuck a Tesla

◼   ► on the front as well because that will

◼   ► help my other business it's not the same

◼   ► mm-hmm I don't think he's done anything

◼   ► well I'm sure he hasn't done anything

◼   ► improper he wouldn't have been allowed

◼   ► to do it but it just has that feeling to

◼   ► it of I came I that's enough enough what

◼   ► else do you want to sell while you're at

◼   ► it hmm

◼   ► that's just a little feeling in the back

◼   ► of the head about it I did think it was

◼   ► cold though I did love it I did love it

◼   ► okay here's a question for you if we

◼   ► could go back in time and you're able to

◼   ► make the decision about what the payload

◼   ► should be would you change it would you

◼   ► say I think it would be better if it's

◼   ► not a Tesla if it's a different payload

◼   ► you know if the decision was totally

◼   ► down to you what's happening is like

◼   ► Elon Musk has brought you on and an

◼   ► advisor and he's saying I may have lost

◼   ► perspective on this

◼   ► you Brady we all know from the podcast

◼   ► yeah you're hugely influential podcast

◼   ► that you are the number one fan of space

◼   ► what do you think we should do yeah I

◼   ► would say to him I think this is a good

◼   ► idea I think the visual of a cool sports

◼   ► car with an astronaut at the wheel will

◼   ► really capture people's imaginations but

◼   ► I think I mean he's in an impossible

◼   ► position that if you're gonna use a car

◼   ► cause he owns a car company but I would

◼   ► say to him is there something else that

◼   ► would have equal impact and be equally

◼   ► clever and funny that hasn't got such a

◼   ► direct attachment to you a because of

◼   ► the commercial appearance of it and

◼   ► because of maybe the slightly

◼   ► egotistical appearance of it I'd say to

◼   ► him I love the idea I probably wouldn't

◼   ► have said to him I love the idea because

◼   ► I was wrong I didn't realize how cold it

◼   ► would look but now that I do realize how

◼   ► cool yet in this scenario you are both

◼   ► future Brady who knows how it works and

◼   ► Asprey who's doing the advice right so

◼   ► my my advice with all this knowledge of

◼   ► hindsight would be brilliant idea it's

◼   ► gonna really capture people but do it in

◼   ► a way that makes you look a bit less

◼   ► egotistical in a way that looks less

◼   ► like you're trying to do something

◼   ► commercial is this something else is

◼   ► there another way we could do it and

◼   ► achieve all the same good things without

◼   ► that kind of akina's to it I don't know

◼   ► if I'd have that idea but that's what I

◼   ► say they're just listening to that all I

◼   ► can imagine is if I was the CEO of

◼   ► company and you were my advisor there

◼   ► I'd be coming like okay great but I'm

◼   ► really busy what is your suggestion if

◼   ► you don't have another suggestion we're

◼   ► going with this well I'd say can I have

◼   ► more than the 30 seconds that gray just

◼   ► gave me okay you can have until the next

◼   ► episode of hello internet that's how

◼   ► much time you I don't astok and that

◼   ► achiness like just to put things in the

◼   ► right context that achiness is less than

◼   ► how fantastic I thought it was like on

◼   ► the cosmic scales of this there is no

◼   ► doubt that launching a Tesla into space

◼   ► means that way more people watch this

◼   ► launch than ever would have yes I'm not

◼   ► convinced that this actually sells a lot

◼   ► of Tesla's but it's sure like I can

◼   ► guarantee that there's like increased

◼   ► the viewership of the livestream

◼   ► 50% 60% I bet it is some enormous amount

◼   ► this is a concrete load because it just

◼   ► makes it such a thing and the subsequent

◼   ► coverage yeah I bet you're a hassle cars

◼   ► I know people that are looking at the

◼   ► cars now as a result and then also just

◼   ► increases like the brand awareness so

◼   ► which is also probably what the chief

◼   ► executive would have laughed me out of

◼   ► in the office when I went in there with

◼   ► mine is not a commercial Hey are you

◼   ► worried let's you work at a company

◼   ► you're in the wrong place but yeah the

◼   ► the showmanship of it was very good do

◼   ► you want to hear my idea okay what's

◼   ► your idea if we're gonna be a key in

◼   ► about money what do you think of this

◼   ► you know how I had that screen on it