01:00:00 ◼ ► Apple APIs for a long time that certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► points on one side are better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► ports on the other side that's been true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► for many laptops in Apple's history yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► it's always kind of annoying but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► understand why it is the way it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► we accept it I don't think it's a source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► of ridicule all right I just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► all I can imagine is all of us going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► haha those idiot PC P plate it's an Emmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► we have talked about that as an inherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► problem with using the same connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► for all these things I think the I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► think that the advantages are using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► same connection for all them outweigh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► the disadvantages but you know as marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► just that your laptop has a port as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► whole that's exactly the same shape is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► the ones at Marcos and yet it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► capable of the things that Marcos Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► okay it's both the same cables fit into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► both of them but if you plug in a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► that expects Thunderbolt endears it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► won't work and there's no indication for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► that physically speaking I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► know if there's a little lightning bolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► thingy next to them anymore no so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► that's just that's just the nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► wouldn't be next to yours so I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I think the implicit assumption I'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► thinking of my own feelings about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► underlyings discussion is that I still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► still believe I'm still hoping I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► that when Apple does you know make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► bigger vision as a laptop line that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► introduced will have more ports than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► thing that it's replacing and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► I keep getting to like what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► they'll add or whatever if if I'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► about that and if they introduced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► whole new laptop line that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► next generation after like this current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► crop of 2016 2017 like I've had time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► process the the feedback from the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► and you know someone and so forth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► none of them have any more ports I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► realized in myself like I've just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► assuming basically since the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► roundtable about the Mac when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► talked about the Mac Pro from that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► on I you know I read into what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► would imply hopes and dreams of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► yeah I know you're talking about the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► Pro and the iMac Pro like I know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► what this is really about and about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► rededication to the Mac but the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► sentences they said about the laptops I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► latched on to really hard and said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► means eventually you know after you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► two year cycle whatever takes a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► time like not not immediately but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► eventually when they do the next big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► laptop revision one or more of them will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► have more ports and I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► I'm going to do if that turns out not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► I'm already a laptop hater I guess but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► my faith in Apple's laptops will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► fundamentally shaken because so far it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► still just like they made a wrong turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► and things were already in the pipeline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► and they couldn't really do much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► the revision for 2017 all they did was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► that the rubber gaskets and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► it's like hopefully they know it's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► next time they do the big revision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► different fundamental decisions but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► the next ones come along and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► exactly the same set of just USBC only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► MacBook one is still the MacBook one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► the other one still just have two ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► and you know and there's no changes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► no max a4 no SD card no HDMI and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► gets any not even an additional USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► port nothing I don't know I'm gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► I'll probably you know I probably can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► stall myself by hugging my new Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► but but I you know but I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► you have you did you guys like have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► internalized that as a thing you expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► disappointed by not being there or are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► you still like pessimistic and you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► pleasantly surprised if they do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► that I will be stunned if there's any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► sort of and not really Maricopa but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► if they add any sort of ports to any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► these laptops I will be flabbergasted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► I'm not saying it's it's unreasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► but I do think it is a what did you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► like egg on the face sort of admission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► that oh maybe we didn't get this exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► thunderbolt like it's not an admission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► of anything is just they added a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► port even that will be something it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► say look we realize us PC is great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► when you only get two of them one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► taken with power it really limits things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► so now you got one more so you got three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► yeah I mean and let's be realistic here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► also like if you look at if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► the side one of these things and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► look at like the height of ports I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► it's very unlikely that we will see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► return of USB a or even MagSafe because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► I don't think they fit I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3838">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► too tall I don't think they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► reasonably fit those it would have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► a pneumatic safe yeah it had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► MagSafe three yeah right because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► I can't see them doing that and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► honestly I'm totally okay with USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► I wish the charger was nicer I wish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► had things like the charging light and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► some kind of version of MagSafe would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► nice but other than that actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► third-party chargers that have like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► like the wonderful anchor one that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► the built-in USB charging also like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► in you know it makes the charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► situation much more flexible and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► you couldn't you can travel a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► lighter and stuff like that so I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► but if you look at what can actually fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► in this new super thin case design not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► lot can USBC you know you can fit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► of them and maybe you know what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► maybe you could put them a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► further apart because they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► close to each other and it makes it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► little bit annoying to use also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► headphone jack should move back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► left side where it belongs because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► there's a reason why headphones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► always on the left side of laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► before it's because when you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► headphone cable that only has a wire on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► one side historically that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► conventionally on the left ear cup so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► your headphone cable goes down the left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► of your cup down your left arm into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► left side port of the laptop when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► on the right side you have to cross your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► headphone cable over your laptop which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► sucks so that's wrong anyway you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► wrap it around the back oh oh by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► speaking of ports on different sides I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► do that's another thing I appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► about USB power that you can connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► power to decide so depending on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► where you are on the couch or wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► if you're in someplace that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► it like that's why I think they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► always keep that and I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► never expect them to make MagSafe 3 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► I've been musing on it lately yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► anyway so I think if we look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► realistically actually get I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► expect USBA I wouldn't expect MagSafe SD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► cards are actually plausible that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► think could fit if I'm not sure if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► want to but again I think that would go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► a long way towards addressing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► certainly won't fit they could do mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► HDMI but they won't you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► gonna rely on Thunderbolt USBC for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► realistic option is to either get no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► port changes at all which like John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► would be very disappointed by or to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► more USB C ports which I would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► happy with so we'll see ya more USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► supports is the most likely I'm still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► rooting for SD I think back when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► talked about this originally I said just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► add an SD card and they'll be fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► about the port being taken up by power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► and experiencing myself the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► more or USBC would be good idea and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► the way for our magazine three design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► again not that they're doing this but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► you give up on the notion that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► magnet is on the side of the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► you can do lots of interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► imagine if MagSafe look like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► shovel and and it was a large surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► area magnet sort of on the bottom like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► in an L shape like it clipped onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► corner and tucked underneath a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► curve like there are things you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► to add much more magnet surface area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► while keeping it very thin like we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► have to think inside the box defined by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► MagSafe as it previously existed manic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► magnetically detachable charging cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► for trip proof nests is I still think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► manifest in a way they will work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► the thinnest possible laptops still so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► in the chat room expressly asked an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► interesting question they said which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► prefer second USB see on the adorable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► a headphone jack and and I presume the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► genesis of this is that on the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► side of the laptop on the right hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► side and mark oh you're right to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► that that is bananas but on the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► hand side the laptop of the of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► there is a headphone jack and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► absolutely without a shadow of a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► trade in that headphone jack for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► USB C port without question because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► you've you've got air pause that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► yeah I mean you know and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► other bluetooth headphones and in yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► there are occasions that I have plugged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► in headphones to this laptop but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► are extremely rare and I would get much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► more maybe not daily but much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► frequent use out of a second USB C port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► then I would the headphone jack that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► there today there's no reason to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► that trade though we already did 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► shows about complaining about there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► room for another USB port there is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► phone it will be fine we are sponsored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4100">TS</a>]
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01:08:35 ◼ ► and protect your Apple devices on demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► it's pretty easy to keep track of say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► your own devices your own Mac your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► iPad or your own iPhone but what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► organization as a business grows it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► harder to manage everybody has iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► iPhones and Macs and this is especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► true if employees are indifferent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► locations with jams now that the JAMF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4134">TS</a>]
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01:09:00 ◼ ► you can configure Wi-Fi and email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► settings deploy applications protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► your sensitive company data and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4144">TS</a>]
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01:09:32 ◼ ► pretty great at Jam comm slash ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► that's JAMF comm slash ATP secure your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► business today with Jam for now thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► you so much to camp now for sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► our show WTC is announced it is in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► Jose again it is the 4th through the 8th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► of June which is phenomenally great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► because that's what the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4197">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► guessed it would be and that's what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► booked hotel tickets for a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► so that's great news it is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► apparently about marzipan or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► it's being called today if you believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► what people are looking at on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► invitation which i think is a exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► in futility because the invitation never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► use anything but also of interest on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► that Monday which is the fourth all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► three of your hosts will be there to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► another episode in addition of ATP live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► which is part of a what are they calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► it like a podcast fair or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► that festival festival that's what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► looking for thank you which means to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► live fought cast at all calm we so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► so we're going to be doing a kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► joint thing between us alt conflict like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► Marco said and relay they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► addition to some other things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► genuinely don't know what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► but I know enough to know that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► going to be an extravaganza so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► are interested in coming to see ATP live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► in San Jose on Monday June 4th you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► get tickets at alt con Fissel alt cuffs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► we'll put a link in the show notes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► are five dollars a piece if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► still available I honestly haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► looked that money goes to alt conf which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► is good because all conf is free so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► don't see any of that money but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► think that's a bad thing at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► additionally you can get tickets to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► relay thing as well or to all con and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► it's worth noting that even if WDC lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► if the if the lottery doesn't work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► well for you in addition to alt con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► there's also layers that will be going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► on the same time run by friend of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► show jesse char and a couple of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► lovely women actually I think it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► Elaine and she but anyway they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► awesome they are super super awesome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► the the conference is super super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► awesome and the snacks at the conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► are super super awesome so no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► you slice it later layers is great all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► conf is great W DC is great plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► options if you can find yourself in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► Jose that week is that it well that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► you covered it pretty well go team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► raised in chief yeah chief summarize our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► and cheap chief actually do my job for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► once you talk about the WWC graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► which you alluded to earlier I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► some of the commentary about those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► commentary tweets whatever about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► have kind of combined to things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► not really related one is the artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► Apple puts on the email invitations to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► select press when they are gonna have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► event come hear us talk about whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► we you know like iPhone announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► event or you know Mac update a bit press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► events right and traditionally they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► a little graphic and usually sometimes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► little phrase underneath it right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► then there is what we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► talking about here which is every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► when they do WWDC there's some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► graphical motif or theme it's used like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► exhibition halls and the rooms where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► they have things that's used in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► websites and the materials and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► emails and it started off pretty generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► many many years ago but it has evolved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► so that now each WWC has kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► branding theme or flavor so for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► sometimes those have been intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► pointing to something they're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► like the one with a little rotating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► Apple with the like back to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► thing behind it where they were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► talk more about the Mac and guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► some of them are only explicable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► hindsight where you can tell some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► graphic treatments on the invitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► were the same ones they would use when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► they announced a particular product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► whether it's the iPhone or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► sometimes it's just a fun graphical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► theme that has to do with hey we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► app store and you make apps or it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► absurd these little rounded rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► things so we use lots of lot of rounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► rectangles in our and our stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► would say that there is a fairly solid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► track record of some of the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► intentionally indicates something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► they're going to talk about in a vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► way WWC art on the other hand has a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► worse track record of communicating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4437">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► anything about what's going to breathe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► Zenta to other than the fact that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► developer conference where they tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► about developing crapple platforms as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► far as I can recall there has never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► a WWDC website that hinted strongly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► the specific nature of a specific thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► they're going to announce probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► mostly because at the time this artwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► presented at WWDC and things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► know are going into and out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► keynote and into and out of the sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► for a long time so I feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► route trying to read the tea leaves in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► sort work it's probably about as useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► as trying to read the tea leaves in last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► year's artwork which is all those top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► views of of people yeah a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► which was like it's a particular artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► who does that style of stuff and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► that that aesthetic theme was all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► WWC yesteryear but it had nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► with anything that was presented it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► just a cool fun marketing style that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► talked about you know people developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► are people and they're doing developing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► things and it's fun and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► all right this one looks super cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► it's got these cool 3d representations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► of like you know UI elements from iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► and the Mac it's because and it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► curly braces and other weird shapes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► communicates like hey these are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► you use when you're developing for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► platforms and this is a conference about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► developing for our platforms it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► hard to read anything into it but people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► are so they so want to see something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► it those things see how these are all 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► it's a showing that they're moving away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► from flat design because nothing is flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► there you know and like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► reaching and I have to admit when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► this and I thought was nostalgia because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► elements in this very cool looking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► there's an animation that goes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► with very cool looking 3d rendered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► things showing a bunch of controls one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► of the elements in the lower left corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► are three translucent spheres with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► symbols in them an X a minus and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► two little arrow e things like a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► with a slash through it and I I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► about it with a one-word tweet said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► memories dot a lot of people didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► referring to things in like iOS 10 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► something or you know or pre iOS 7 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► whatever what I was actually referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► to was the window control widgets what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► we used to call the stoplight widgets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► red for window clothes yellow for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► minimizing green for what used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► zoom and is now or the fullscreen arosa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► rendered as if they were glossy spheres [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and when you brought your mouse near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► them or hovered over one of them you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► see these symbols appear in the spheres [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and they were glassy spheres just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► these spheres all this is just viewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► them from a different angle later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► life life of the Mac operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► they became flatter and eventually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► just became like what they are now which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► is like you know flat colors of red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► yellow and where they're not they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► even look like their spheres at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► right even though they still have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► symbols in them but floating in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► thing are not the flat window widgets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► today's high sierra floating in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► thing are the window widgets of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► cheetah puma and Panther Mac os10 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► forgot about mr. Jaguar sorry Mike OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► ten point zero one two and three I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► is how long these things last before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► they start getting really flat and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► I thought was a nice nostalgic nod or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► indication that the Mac is considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► legacy but it's a nice nod towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► past because most of the other controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► that you see here are clearly elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► from iOS or elements from applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► that are popularized by iOS like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► little dot dot when someone's typing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► messages right I think it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► graphic they use in in messages on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► Mac but I associated with iOS just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► because that's where you know text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► messaging first came to the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► my take is that you should not read into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► these type of graphics I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► an awesome graphic I love the aesthetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► theme and I'm just enjoying it as cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► branding for WWC yeah I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► everything inter said so we'll all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► there and I'm excited for it it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► my favorite times a year and it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► really fun I don't really care at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► about textures so I don't know which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► of you added this to the show notes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► apparently magazines are a really hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► business right now they're it's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► growth industry apples getting into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► air you really messed that one up Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► mm we should explain what this thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► I hadn't heard of it before today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► surprised because really popular anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► Apple as an apple press release end or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► PR person would say Apple acquires small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► companies all the time you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► actually is really a high number every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► time they say like did you know the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► year Apple acquired 35 companies or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► some huge entry like really they you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► know it's mostly small like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► doesn't want to buy them when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► attending dollar company they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► get them before that sometimes they buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► companies just for the people sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► for the technologies or patents rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► do they buy them for complete working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► businesses but that does happen to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► beets they bought beets and continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► headphones right pickets maybe the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► businesses they purchased so texture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► seems like one of the small ones it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► not clear to me whether they bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► for the business or the people or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► tech or anything like that but it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► it is described as is Netflix for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► magazines where you play a flat fee and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► get access to a bunch of magazines in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► the same way you pay a flat fee every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► month for Netflix and you get access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► why does Apple need to buy this I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► sure why they might want to buy it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► Apple has in the past shown that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► interested in being some kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► platform aid to periodicals we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► remember newsstand Marco I'm sure most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► that was an attempt to do something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► this newsstand did not work out so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► newsstand is now gone but it signals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► apples interest in this texture strikes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► me as all right the approach with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► newsstand of making this weird app slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► folder where a bunch of things go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► putting weird limitations on them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► you know of recurring structures like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► the whole newsstand thing didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► out having individual applications for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► individual things but having them be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► newsstand savvy that that model didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► work for us let's try this model and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► this model seems a little bit more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► Apple News where Apple itself could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► potentially make an application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► within that application you see a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► of magazines just like within Apple news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► you see a bunch of news and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► content you know content providers can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► launching their own application that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► Apple News powered but rather by getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► their news into the one and only Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► established business that works in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► certain way so I'm not sure if Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► gonna rebrand it or just put it out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► way it is or just scrap texture entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and take those people and tell them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► make newsstand version 2 this time it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► be better but as Marco or maybe Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► pointed out it's great that they're kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► of into that but I'm not sure magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► on computers or otherwise they're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► where it's at in terms of a growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:56 ◼ ► industry but I you know I I would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4856">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► Apple full credit for recognizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► newsstand didn't work out Sun setting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► a fairly graceful way you know as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► think Marco said the best time to cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► something is when no one notices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► you cancel it and many people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► realize newsstand is gone now because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► you never really news it like isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► thank God or if you remember what news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► thing was yeah it's gone and no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► so that was that was good and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► it's worth taking another on it I know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► read magazines and I do have individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► app you know I have like the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► magazines on my iPads I don't I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► totally offended by that idea I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► e-books on my iPad too and so if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► wants to make a really nice service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► application thingy for reading magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► sure give it a shot why shouldn't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► be allowed to give that a try yeah no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► argument here it just this was not on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► radar before and as soon as we cease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► talking about it it will not be on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► radar yeah do either one of you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► magazines at all on any iOS device no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► don't read magazines at all on anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► ever yeah no I mean I still recon driver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► on paper and I read edge on paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► also in iOS I think there iOS app I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► it's not great but it's not the bad old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► days of like the original Zinio for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► I know this is the new Zinio behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► these I have no idea what the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► powers it is but it's not just a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► of PDFs they throw under your screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► although with today's retina they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► probably do that it would probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► okay especially on the twelve point nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► inch because it's a practically magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► size and what the brightness screen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► would look great I'm mostly doing it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► edge and card driver because I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► content but the presentation in Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► isn't bad and it's nice like not to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► to carry around you know if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► on vacation you want to read through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► your last three issues of edge magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► to have them all on your iPad rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► than three paper things yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► convenient so I'm I will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► download this and try it and see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► good the app is and if there are any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► magazines that I care about in there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► doubt I'll subscribe to it though cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► I have nothing to say about this I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► I just say I don't care and maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► should care but I think Apple buy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► leading manufacturer of fax machines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► yeah I mean here's the thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► magazines like we were making fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► them because magazines is the old world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► or whatever but websites most websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► are not that different from magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► and once you have a magazine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► publishes through an application it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► like is this just like a closed version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► of the web and a closed version of a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► browser maybe but I you know websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► and magazines still seem slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► different like magazines have websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► nostalgic for the old days of magazines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and there's lots of legacy businesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► that are tied to the magazine format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► that I'm glad to see allowed to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► another decade or two through an effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► like this alright so time for skc p m-- [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► at Wallin writes my mac pro does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► wait this is a Mac Pro question I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► care bill Balinor writes I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► kidding I'm kidding my Mac Pro does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► have a Wi-Fi card my wife and son both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► of accounts in the Mac Pro and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► thinking of using migration assistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► copy stuff from the old machine to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► new can I connect them via ethernet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► this purpose does or will it matter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► the new machine will be running on High [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► Sierra and the old machine is El Capitan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► I've looked for specific documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► on this online and haven't found a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► satisfyingly definitive answer no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► don't think I have ever used migration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► I'm not saying it's bad I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► that I'm doing things the right way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► just I like to kind of start fresh each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► time I know that this is also a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► bit different because you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► about other people and they may not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► heart fresh even though you do but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► don't really have any good answers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► regard to migration assistant have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► guys to use that I thought both of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► proponent of migration system I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► there are a couple parts this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► starting at the very end I've looked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► specific documentation haven't found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► anything I almost guarantee that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► is satisfying definitive documentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► related to this on Apple's website but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► yes sometimes it can be hard to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► beginning of the question go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► beginning I can connect by all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► there are things I don't have Wi-Fi does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► it matter I can tell you that you do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► want to use my gray decision migration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► assistant over Wi-Fi if you can at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► help it so the fact that your Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► doesn't have a Wi-Fi card don't worry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► about it I would never recommend doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► it was worse when Wi-Fi was slower it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► better that with now the Wi-Fi is faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► but I have not had good luck with using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► migration assistant over Wi-Fi the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► news is that most reasonably modern Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► can do migration assistant through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► almost any of their ports like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► headphone jack yet but like the old iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► shuffle syncing over the headphones yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► I used to do it through firewire you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► do it through Ethernet you can do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► through Thunderbolt you can do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► there's all sorts of ways that migration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► and system will work the bad news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► figuring out how to get it to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► especially with the more obscure ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► can be tricky so what I would recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► is finding going back to Apple's website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► and digging through this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► finding the documentation for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► specific computer and it will usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► tell you and by the way from your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5156">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► computer you can only a migrate to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► interfaces like there are there is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► sort of a matrix of what connected ins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► kind of use and how is known as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► computer and you can unfortunately find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► yourself in a situation where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► trying to migrate from like a really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► computer to a really new one when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► there's no great way to do it except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► maybe Ethernet but then you need even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► adapter or whatever but I have never as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► someone who keeps computers for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► time I've never kept one long enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► that I was unable to run migration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► assistant so I was just using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► fastest connection you can Ethernet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► probably sufficient and it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► the sort of the baseline so try to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► that if you possibly can find the docs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► for it and just give it a try I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► these were the results I always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► been I find like that mobile migration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► assistance really does migrate my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► and yes it does take a long time but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► amount of time it takes when I do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► math works out to be roughly a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► data it has to transfer you know divided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► by the the transfer rate or whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► have had almost similar look as that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► only differences i would suggest are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► when you connect the old mac by a target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► disk mode it tends to be a significantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► faster migration justin has an a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► big problem that i think it's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► basically forever in that it is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► at estimating how much time you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► left and it will frequently get into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► state where it appears as though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► making no progress at all and it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► stay there for hours or even days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► that's very frustrating it's very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► to tell often what it's doing whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► is still going to go how long it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► going to go for that's why I said do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► math like if you know you have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► a one terabyte hard drive is mostly full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► and you know your connection is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► gigabit like do the division figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► how long you think it's gonna take and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► use that as you're outside you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► to get an idea of how long you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► it's gonna take if it takes 10 times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► that thing something is probably gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► wrong but it don't you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► believe the progress bar because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► doesn't know well anyway I I have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► significantly better luck with doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► via target disc mode on the on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► sending machine rather than like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► assistant app this would probably also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► if there's any problems with the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► being El Capitan target is mode would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► probably avoid those problems a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► bit more likely or more easily than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► running the migrate just an app on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► sides but also yeah it's just I've found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► the disk method to be way faster and way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► more reliable and I have never had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► reach one of those states where it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► like it's gonna just take forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► whereas over Wi-Fi and even Gigabit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► Ethernet I've had that happen so if I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► in target this mode you have most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► options that John suggested on the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Mac Pro you probably see the Mac Pro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► that had Wi-Fi are optional would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► 2006 to 2008 I believe it was standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► because thunderbolt came after the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► pro so your best port is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► firewire 800 assuming you have well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► definitely have that assuming it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► works then I would suggest you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► you have any problems trying to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► I would suggest assuming the new machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► go to the Apple store get a thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► - well let's see you're gonna need two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► dongles all right now if I were 800 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► is what I've got on the iMac right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► isn't it suggest if you like target us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► moment he doesn't go firewire 800 to USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► 3 then our mold or does it hat do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► have to adapt 2 to 3 and then 2 to 800 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► only have one adapter in the back of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► it's like firewire 800 into this adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► and this adapter into the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► iMac but I confess I do not recall what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► exactly it's going into the back of yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► so you know it so assuming that your he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► doesn't actually say what he's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► write no ok so assuming let's say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► it's a current generation machine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► only has Thunderbolt 3 ports you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► need two dongles to go once from 800 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 2 and then once again from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 2 to 300 3 so that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► like $80 worth of don lows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► practically speaking the reason I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► myself using Ethernet is because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► doing two desktops in the far away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► each other and it's kind of a pain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► like yeah disconnected that top and lug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► it over and put it close enough so your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► little firewire or Thunderbolt or USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► cable can connect to the right ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► just then you're like look you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► Ethernet is easier even if your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► isn't wire everything in it so just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► on your feet of Ethernet cable and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► it in and snake it over and leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► there for a day for you to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► transfers that of course encourage you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► to wire your house or Ethernet like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► civilized person yeah well I mean it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► me if they have a Mac Pro that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► have Wi-Fi they probably have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► covered anyway so yeah that I agree try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► Ethernet first and only go by the $80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► worth of dongles and cables if for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► reason you can't always sales and backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► backup make a bunch of backups take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► backups disconnect them from all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► have fun screwing through computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► worst case scenario you screw everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► up you erase everything you restore from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► backup and then you're back to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► initial stage again also wait if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► back up to like a USB 3 hard drive your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► old my protists must be 3 migration but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► yeah you could just then plug that into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► the new computer and just do it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► developers to force flight interactions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► on their users such as labeling the ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► button and a prompt yes please or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► dismiss button in a confirmation dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► Thanks these things make me cranky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► this is absolutely acceptable and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► it Oh God know what's right ok so ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► there's if done in a non-intrusive non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► suggestive not putting words in my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► kind of way it can be fine unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► that's not what happens in practice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► practice you have things like no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► want to subscribe to the newsletter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► get all these special deals because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► cheap like or like somebody that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► they make you so often the words they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► use are passive-aggressively condemning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► yourself for making a choice that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► not benefit the developer's business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► interests and it's really obnoxious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► oftentimes other than that it just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► know it tries to sound human and hip and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► corporation and we know that's fake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► it comes off as just insincere fakery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► trying to appeal to be more human from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► company that is anything but so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► very it's very hard and very rare to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► this kind of thing right in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► sounds both sincere and non offensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► III think you're reading too much into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► this or maybe I'm not reading enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► into it to me like having a having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► dismissed button that says things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► don't have a problem with that having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► dismiss button dismissed button that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► says no I'm too cheap or even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► passive-aggressively saying no I'm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► cheap and not using those literal words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► that yes I agree with you that's total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► garbage but something as simple as yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► please or thanks or no thank you like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► don't have a problem with that at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► you I think you would have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► with the thanks because thanks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► putting words in your mouth like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► just want the box to go away so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► there's two aspects of problem one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► the giving your you know press thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► personality and putting words into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► mouth of the user because what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► they're annoyed at your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► right now and are forced to hit a button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► that says thanks and they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► thank your application at all because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► they're frustrated with your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► the thanks button makes them hate your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► application even more because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► forcing them to pretend they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► thanks right but the second reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► independent of all this stuff is people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► are accustomed to the dialog box is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► alerted in a certain way yes no okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► standards that they're accustomed to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► if your application deviates from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► standards in any way there should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► reason for it maybe your carrot weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► and you have a personality type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► and that's part of the selling point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► your application fine but if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► application is selling point it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► expectations it causes people to pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► and have to look at it and think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► what the hit-and and like read it causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► them to have to read where it's no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► reads yes no or okay cancel if they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► them a million times they just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► it becomes like a visual macro you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► like oh I recognize that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► which thing I want to hit or even just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► single button dismiss thing in iOS where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► the button is always labeled is okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► now suddenly that button has different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► text on it you're forced to read it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► find out it says thanks you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► like thanking anybody and now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► annoyed so I would I would in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► say there is no 100% safe way to inject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► personality into labels like that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► are a lot of downsides and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► applications value proposition is based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► on its personality and whimsy which can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► be done but it's much trickier than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► think it also be very careful when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► you're writing dialog text if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► developer or if you're Apple mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► that attributes malice or actions to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► user or if they're in tributes its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► intent or actions to the user that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► or may not be the case one of the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► infuriating pieces of text and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► Mac OS is the dialog that comes up after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► it has a kernel panic and shuts down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► reboots that says you shut down your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► computer because of a problem and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► of times no you shut down my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► because of your problem it doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► totally that it says your computer shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► down doodles you shut down your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► yeah I agree with John that is not how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► remember this are you sure I am Not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► I would check because ever I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► it often but every time I see it I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► like oh I'm on fire you shut down my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► computer I didn't shut down my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► so so here's what the kernel panic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► know the overlay the overlay that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► on in five languages when you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► kernel panic yeah it's not that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► it's the dialogue that shows up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► first boot after right okay but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► anyway the overlay says your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► restarted because of a problems that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► be what I'm remembering for that wording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► all right now the after your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► restarts marker was right I'm looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► this thing in Apple's website it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► you shut down your computer because of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► problem it's really it sets me on fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► if I ever system run apple's website up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► we will put it in the show notes i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► assuming this is the current dialog but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► it's a Apple support document looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► it might be an old theme but yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► that's definitely at the current wording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► yeah maybe I was reading that as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► because you know the the kernel panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► one does say you're but the dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► versus you shut it doesn't even make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► it how would you shut down the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► like spontaneously because of a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► like is it just like all of a sudden you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► saw a problem and you reach for the plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► in the wall and yanked it out like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► is that even the thing that you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► because if you if you found a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► and you selected shut down you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► never see this dialog box you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► kind of like putting words in my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► and it's like putting actions in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► mouth it's like no I didn't do this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► know you did this you know it like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► it's like you know so when you're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► know when you see an app that's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5818">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► know forcing you to say thanks or no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► don't want to see your great deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► I don't like great deals like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► is it seems like it might be cute or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► helpful or something and trust me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► not at all like it you have to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► careful with that stuff that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► and there is a there is an additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► computer was restarted because of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► problem and then that one it says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► you know ignore more info and move to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► trash for like an application they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► crashed like we see that one when an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► crashes so there is one that is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► you know let's blame me but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► that there exists any dialog says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► shut down your computer because of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► problem but it's the dialogue that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► asking whether you want to restore all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► the applications that were open so your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► choices are please reopen everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► like it was before it canceled I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► what reopen everything please reopen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► everything yeah I'm not a dialog box I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► don't have to put that like the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5877">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► is not saying please the button says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► open and the cancel button says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► thanks comma cancel oh I'm sorry it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► doesn't say no thanks comma cancel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► says cancel because that's what cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► button say on them I'm not a button on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► person um yeah that's that's what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► asking you and so again if it's asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► you that it means the entire thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► abruptly stopped functioning and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► functioning because it didn't do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► like the nice shutdown clean up stuff so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► the next time it starts up it says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► don't see the nice shutdown clean up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► stuff which means things ended abruptly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► last time and I honestly don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► there's any user action that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► take other than if it knew somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► because of cameras that you had yank the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► cord out or flick the power switch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► hard yourself even if it sees you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► it still shouldn't say that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► unnecessarily and how would it know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► was because of a problem maybe you shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► down your computer because you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► figure out any other way like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► you're you're in an experienced computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► user and the only way you know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► turn it off is to hold down the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► maybe you shut your computer as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► statement yeah because of a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► wasn't a problem with your computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► just like a problem in the world I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► you might be reading too much into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► I think what the way I've always read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► this and why I haven't been perturbed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► it is because the computer well I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► I can turn itself off but in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► scenario of a kernel panic it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► turn itself off it is you that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► physically turning the computer off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► restarting it not always no default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► every boot itself doesn't it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► reboot it I didn't think it did I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► it does now I think that's been the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► oh no you're right you know press a key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► you're wait a few seconds to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► starting oh no I guess you're right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► guess you're right all I know is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► guys are clearly from the Northeast or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► have lived there too long because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► employed assholes moving on before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► move on like oh yeah and I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► there are conventions for the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► interface and anything that deviates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► convention it's like whatever bill maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► things work like anything that deviates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► from the convention requires thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5997">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► and processing time and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► cognitive load for no benefit unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► personality application otherwise every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► time we look at dialogue we'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► parse each person's you know politeness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► and phrasing and preambles stuff when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► just want okay cancel or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► there's some standard buttons that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► standard things that fit in a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► amount of space and we don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► completely agree with you on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► Chadd supports key rights when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► completionist eve each of you consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► yourselves to be how much does it depend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► on the type of game scope of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► and your level of interest in it I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:32 ◼ ► start by saying I am not at all a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6032">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► completionist and obviously I am I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► mark when I fight over who is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► video game II person of the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► but but I I do play video games from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► time to time as I think we mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► last week the week before I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► getting back into breath of the wild but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► there whenever it is I beat Ganon at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► end of breath of the wild if I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► have all 120 whatever it is shrines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► if I don't have all 80 gazillion Quora [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► Corki rock or whatever they're called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► seeds I am NOT gonna care I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► putting that game down and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► never playing it again and that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► me Marco since you are all so useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► like me how do you treat this kind of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► between you and a normal person I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► try to be fairly complete as I'm playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► but then I will usually reach a point at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► which my interest just Falls you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► for a game that that can be quote beaten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► or that has like a main storyline that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► can be completed I do really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► compete that main storyline but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► I you know once I and on my way there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► might be you know collecting as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:36 ◼ ► I possibly can like true like like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6096">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► I really tried to get as many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► moons as possible like yeah you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► I don't just fly away as soon as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► but then after you complete the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► storyline you can go back and get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► whole bunch more and I started doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► that and I just haven't really continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► yet and and I I intend to go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► play it I don't know when I will exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► cuz now I'm up I'm playing other games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► I don't know when I actually will but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► do intend to still go back and do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► don't stop because I like decide I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► done with this game forever it just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► of happens like like stardew valley I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► plates already Valley very heavily for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► long time and I intend to go back to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► but the last time I played it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► probably three months ago you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► just haven't gone back to it yet but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► do intend to I haven't had a kid yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► want to see you how that works so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► you know I you know there's more I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► to do in that game but like once I reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► a certain point where I feel like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:36 ◼ ► done mostly everything there is to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6156">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► find it hard to motivate myself to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► back and get like the last 10% you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► have an actual kid what you mean is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► pixelated kid yes all right just just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► make that clear like I had a kid yet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► stardew valley the game I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► about during that sentence I just named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► the context freely where's Adam he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► upstairs asleep so this this question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► doesn't really define what completionist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► means but I'm kind of with Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► that like there's there's two strains oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:09 ◼ ► I like Marco if I'm playing a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6189">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► game that is trying to tell me a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► and if I like the game well enough like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► you know that like I'm having fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► playing it I do want to see how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► story turns out but the modern practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► providing a tremendous amount of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► to do outside the main story means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► for me to actually 100% clear game by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► getting all the things that you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► and doing all the things that you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► has actually become a lot harder over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► investment and skill it used to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► if you finish a story then there'd be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► couple of ancillary things to do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► Mario Odyssey is like this story is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► one-eighth of the game and then like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► you really wanted to complete it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► terms of hours spent and effort required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► the real game begins after you finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► the story mode so I did finish the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► and I did enjoy it and I do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:03 ◼ ► fact that there's a lot more after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6243">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► and then you can do it kind of in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► order that you want but I don't think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► will 100% clear Mario does he ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► contrast that with mario sunshine which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► was not as good at Mario game but any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► stretch of the imagination is Odyssey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► under percent cleared sunshine because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► the amount of stuff that you had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► beyond the main story in sunshine seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► so much more tractable to me and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► the things they had you doing we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► one annoying collection quest and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► bunch of levels that were hard but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► the variety that they'd already had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► I really enjoyed and so it seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► thing that I could do and lo and behold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► similarly with Zelda games uh you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► will always finish the story enemies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► Elda game i love zelda games 100% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► cleared a couple of Zelda's but not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► of them because some yeah especially as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► time goes on when I start adding even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► more and more collect it was like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► never gonna get all the coal Rock seeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► and in breath of the wild I won't I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► it's never gonna happen right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► probably will do eventually all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6297">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► shrines and that's kind of and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► that's a game that I love it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► game that I love I'll do the story and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► feel like it done with it what if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► game has no story the game has no story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► I just play it when it's fun and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► stops being fun I'll stop playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► like I I feel like I will actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► continue to play a game after it stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► being fun to her I'm really close to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► end of a narrative story just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► want to see how it ends that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► true like movies and books too we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► sometimes you're like well I'm invested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► and I know there's only three chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► left and even those books kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► knowing me I still want to see how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► ends and so you'll power your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► through so that's that's kind of my take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► on completion ISM anybody games thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► to our sponsors this week aftershocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► Backblaze and jammed now and we'll talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► to you next week now the show is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► they didn't even mean to begin as it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► Johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► let him cuz it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► notes at ADP FM and if you're into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► CAS URL is s so that's Casey less ma RC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► o AR m auntie Marco Arment SI r AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► Casey you're back at work now yeah tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► us about that so you're you're full-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► back now brightly no that's normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► no no no no I'm spending the month of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► March easing my way in so as we record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► this last week I did a sum total of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► day of work and I did two half days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► which basically means I went in when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► Declan was a preschool and then this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► week I did full-day Tuesday but only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► half of it at work I did the rest from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► home so you can guess where this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► going I went to work when Declan was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► preschool then I came home and was here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► working on my iMac for the remainder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► the day and then tomorrow I am doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► sort of kind of the same we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► appointment to get Mikayla's passport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► for some events that are happening in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► couple of months that I believe I'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► seeing both of you at so we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► that squared away but this week I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► doing two days next week I'm doing three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► whole days and I think the week after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► that I'm actually ramped up to full-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► now I might be doing some of that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► home here and there which is not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► usually did I usually pretty much only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► worked in the office but it's a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► after next that I will be a real real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► adult worker again and it's going fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► it's a pretty understanding job letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► you ease back into it I've never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► heard of a company doing that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► the second time yeah like the last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► I took less time easing my way into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► and I also didn't take an unpaid leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► but they were fairly cool about it both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► both the last job and this job so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► that's pretty cool yeah that's I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► think I've ever had a job that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► give me that usually and most of my jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► I had trouble of taking vacation days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► let alone like doing this yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► and to be fair I didn't as much asked is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► said this is what I was planning to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► and waited for somebody to say no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► nobody said no and that that's been nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► and I mean the place I work it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► pretty no I was gonna say chill but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► sound like a tool I don't know it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:38 ◼ ► relaxed and and it's I think in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► because it's not consulting like most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► there's a lot less urgency and it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► of okay if I'm gone that being said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► know my I'm easing back in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► hours worked I am not easing back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► terms of stress level and need for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► be paying attention to things again the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► staff that I work with is excellent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► at least on the iOS side but is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:07 ◼ ► young and that's not a bad thing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6547">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► but that means that they've kind of been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► queuing up a whole band a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► questions to ask and and how do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► this what should we do here what are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► gonna do about this other thing and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► so I have been in high demand in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► little bit of time I've been working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► which is a good problem the elementary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► school students what the hell is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► young man when you're one is one is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► started as an intern and is still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► school in his part-time so she is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► major version of pearl were they born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► during it so are you at the stage now or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► anyone in their twenties counts is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► young getting there I mean my birthday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► Saturday for goodness sakes I'm turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► I'm getting old John gettin old hey I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► be that old in a couple more months so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► the 29 year olds at work are very young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► no no one of the intern just turned 21 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► at the end of last year she she was born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► in 96 I guess which is bananas oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► yeah so so yeah so the the intern who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► now part-time was born in 96 and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► hired a guy who I don't know how old he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:18 ◼ ► is but I would guess 25 or less so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6618">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► that's that's the whole staff as me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► in these - well the whole i/os staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► that is it so it's me in these other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:28 ◼ ► so and they're great they really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:32 ◼ ► great and I'm really really lucky to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6632">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► have them as my co-workers but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► they're young and that's not a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► it's just you know is the there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► things that you only get from being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► the trenches in any sort of code base B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► it iOS or otherwise for a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► so I am the old man in every measurable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:50 ◼ ► way and and that's just my life I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6650">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► to adjust you so here's a question do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:55 ◼ ► you have anybody yet who is either so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6655">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► or just so new to iOS programming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► they have no objective-c experience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► the only has 50 experience I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:07 ◼ ► think if the if the part-time person did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6667">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► I think she had done some Objective C in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► the past if I'm not mistaken but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► a toss-up cuz I almost wonder like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► might make things easier right like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► you had if you if you have like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► try to maintain an all Swift code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► or mostly Swift code base and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► somebody who doesn't have any mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► baggage of Objective C that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► I don't know I I totally understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► where you're coming from and I'm not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► all saying you're wrong I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► know because it's one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► like do you really need to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► what a pointer is to be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► code today and I know you're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:45 ◼ ► probably gonna jump all over me but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6705">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► if you think about it on a surface level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► in a lot of cases you don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► to know what a pointer is now I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► strongly believe that you do so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► all I'm like um I'm presenting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6717">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► argument I don't actually believe in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► you could make an argument that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► you don't totally need a pointer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► understand what what the concept of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► pointer is in order to be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► Swift yeah I would totally argue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► actually yeah and and I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► important to understand what a pointer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► is it's important to understand these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► sorts of things and I think to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► degree you get a lot more of that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► objective-c and not only because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► have stupid asterisks everywhere but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► what I'm what a meandering toward is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► think having an understanding of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► makes Objective C Objective C helps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► understand what makes cocoa and cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:33 ◼ ► touch cocoa into cocoa touch does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6753">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► make any sense at all yeah I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► that although I I would also suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:40 ◼ ► that like like I mean in my time working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6760">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► around other programmers I was fortunate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► enough that to usually work around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► really smart people but not a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► percent of the time and and I was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► sometimes really surprised how little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► somebody could know about programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► and be working full-time as a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► oh yeah and I think and I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► this till I say like oh they're so dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► like that just there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► that are pretty forgiving of having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:13 ◼ ► very shallow understanding of it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6793">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► pretty forgiving of bad coding or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► mistakes or a leaking memory or things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► like that Len and iOS is a huge sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► that like you know the when the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► Store was this huge explosion gold rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► thing back you know ten years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► you know in the interviewing year since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► like a lot of people learned objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► just enough to get an app out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► just like kind of stumbling through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► I mean heck that was basically me when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► first started to and I mean I had to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► background so I knew I knew that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► stuff but like there was a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► who start knowing a lot less and can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► an app in the store because if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► leave memory all over the place it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► doesn't matter at the scale they are or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► like you know like if their app gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► kicked out of the background cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:56 ◼ ► crashes in the background you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6836">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► notice you launch it again and there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6838">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► is especially it's actually yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► actually a fairly forgiving environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► and and the tools now protect you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► much from doing things that are too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► horrible that you can actually get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► pretty far without having knowledge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► things like pointers and memory and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► stuff like that yeah so and it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► you know to some degree like what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► level are you hiring right like when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► hired our newest developer you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► were hiring somebody we were intending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► to hire someone that was a bit junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► and and so I don't recall how this went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► during his interview I did interview him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► I'm sure asked him you know what's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► retain cycle how do you create it why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► accidentally create it and you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► would you find it how would you fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► and if I'm hiring a junior developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► potentially would be okay with it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► you know I would hope that they would at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► least somewhat understand what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:53 ◼ ► talking about but they can have a wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6893">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► answer and as long as they have a vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6896">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► understanding and I feel like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6897">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► coachable and which is a very corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► thing to say well yeah exactly we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► have a coaching opportunity in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► parking lot after we stand up all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► you say you have worked with me you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► what I'm driving at like I I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:15 ◼ ► that that beings I'm agreeing with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6915">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► and roundabout way you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► think being super experienced and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► a deep deep deep knowledge of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► and why is message-passing different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► than calling a method you know why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► well I don't think you need all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► but I do know it is fair enough but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► think it is assistive in understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:36 ◼ ► like I said earlier you know what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6936">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► what makes Coco the way it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► because it's it's in large ways because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► of what made Objective C what it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:45 ◼ ► I don't I don't think it's necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6945">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► what is the thing that's it's necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► but not sufficient provided I screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► that up didn't I sufficient but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► necessary you get what I'm driving at is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► that's what Johnson always says yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6957">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► totally but anyway so the point is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► you know it's it's useful to have but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► would not require John given very quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► any thoughts about this this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► specific instance of the more general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:13 ◼ ► question of whether not whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6973">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► should have but what the value is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► having a background in the fundamentals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:22 ◼ ► when it comes to the everyday craft of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6982">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► particular task without knowing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► history cultural baggage and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► other lower levels of abstraction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► I'm building upon the answer is yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► can you can be a craftsman at a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► level of abstraction without knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► of detailed knowledge of history and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► culture and all the lower layers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► there is most certainly value in knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► all that stuff I mean you could take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► just auto mechanic right there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► things that you can be trained to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► a car without knowing the details of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7016">TS</a>]
01:56:59 ◼ ► levels of abstraction that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7019">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► dealing with without knowing the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► particularly the history of the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► of the internal combustion engine for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► particular make of car you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► that background to be really good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► doing the brakes changing the oil even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:17 ◼ ► particular model of engine if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7037">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► how to do that at that level you're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► there you know but you know so the gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► a computer programming the question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► do I need a computer science background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► and a knowledge of algorithms data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► structures electrical engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► circuit design basics of electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► like so you need to have all that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► hell no you do not but having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► background is valuable and makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► better at the job of writing an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► inevitably happens things go wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► you have to figure out why they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► abstraction you're working at starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► fall apart and you find yourself looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► at memory addresses in a debugger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► navigate a debugger and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► know what a pointer is it just feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► like gibberish and it feels you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► lost right but if you understand all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► those lower levels you can drop down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► level and drop down a little further and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► like and if you're really good to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► the whole stack in your omigosh type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► person you can look at machine code and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► figure out what the hell's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:19 ◼ ► right and even if you're not though even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7099">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► if you're not like someone who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► can navigate the whole stack just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► knowing how in general computers work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► from top to bottom lets you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► at least what parts you don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► where you might go to look up something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► and to understand I know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► looking at here I just don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► understand where it came from and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► understand if there's a part of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► I need to figure out I know where to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► look for it or you know and all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► down to like hopefully none of us get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► down to the hardware level or you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► figure out what what's wrong at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► hardware level but I still feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► even that which probably won't come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:53 ◼ ► in debugging a program is useful to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7133">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► because it explains many of the features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► higher up just as you were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7137">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► knowing about objective-c explains a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► of the weird features of Swift like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► you don't know about objective-c it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► be seem weird that that Swift has these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► things and what the hell is a table C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► mean and why is that even there and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:10 ◼ ► is it what do you mean by an object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7150">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► being backed by the objective-c runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:14 ◼ ► versus one that isn't and like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7154">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► that you know you can get by without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► but there is most certainly value for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► and I think the question when people ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► about this whether it's should it have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► to know pointers are doing you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► have a computer science background is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► they want to know if it's like a gating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► factor and I don't think it is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:29 ◼ ► you can actually be a successful a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7169">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► background that you're like do I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► know this there is value for it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► just a question of how much value does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► it have for the thing that you are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► frameworks it's probably more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► background if you're working it up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► the compiler team yet more important if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► software system from top to bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► really really important so you just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► of have to decide how much how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7195">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► as we've already discussed I have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► paneled setup of Windows and in the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► accent come from it's not a Connecticut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/5">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► thing I wasn't aware I had one the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► the word for the thing you cook in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/9">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► the first syllable for your intrument of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/12">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► windows PA ne l vs. PA in Tamil right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► what how do you pronounce it not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► same way as the as the thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► what do you cook in a pan oh not a pan i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► I'm you say them both the same you say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► cook in a pan and I have a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/34">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► panels yeah so how would you say it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/36">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► cook in a pan I have a bunch of panels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/38">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► that sounded these are you trolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► sounded exactly the same analyze the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► waveforms and panels pan panels Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► you said what do you have I cook in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/51">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► slightly different from each other I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► don't understand what it's just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/61">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► being colorblind feels like all right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/67">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► onboarding screens and why they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/76">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► what is their purpose whether they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► good whether they're bad etc and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► informed that the reason that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► screens are happening is because of gdpr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/86">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► which I know almost nothing about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► I've been a little busy and so I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► nevertheless GPG DPR is a general data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/96">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► protection regulation which is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► that the EU passed recently and has come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/103">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► into effect or is coming into effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► enforceable from the 25th of May 2018 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► we are coming up on it now I guess this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► doesn't apply to Britain too soon anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► the point is Faline is sorry everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► the point is apparently it's it talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► about how companies store your data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► tries to give you more control of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► data and I've been told that that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/127">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► genesis of all of these onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► sure if I buy that because I bet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► screen is gonna be everywhere not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/135">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► in Europe and it's not like Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/136">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► above doing a region-specific you eyes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► do a bunch of stuff I think it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► interesting maybe yeah on the other hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► I feel like this gdpr thing which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/146">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► because I didn't actually follow your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► regulation stuff do you remember that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/154">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► yeah remember I think it's throne effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/156">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► like if you go to they got a throw up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► pop-up it says just so you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► website is gonna you know use cookies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/162">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► keep track of you agree or disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► properly motivated but ill-conceived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► legislation where the motivation is pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/171">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► like there's these computers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► potentially could be storing us personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► information and tracking us which by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/178">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► way they totally do let's do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► with the law to deal with that but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► you know the impulse to do this comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► really early on in the history of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► web when the scariest thing out there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/190">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► a cookie right and the legislation is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/191">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► know let's make every website in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► and let's never do anything else related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► to other kinds of tracking that'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/201">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► much much worse than cookies and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/202">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► know like so many other laws like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/205">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► just sits there until someone you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► who's gonna have the motivation say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/208">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► know we should stop doing that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/209">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► it's dumb or like we should realize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► folly of this particular technique of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► trying to get people to grapple with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► privacy because if you if you say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► is the this is the way we should deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/222">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► with everything then you gotta have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/223">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► JavaScript every kind of local storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► whatever thing it just it never ends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/230">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► you know you'd have to plow through 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► layers of click-wrap as they call it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► get to the website that you want so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► there's some new kind of legislation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► says by the way every time you launch an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/243">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► application go throw a thing in someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/244">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► sites which I don't think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/245">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► this gdpr thing says but if there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/246">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► such a thing I think that would be sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/248">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► of the modern equivalent of the cookie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/250">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► legislation perhaps motivated by a noble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/253">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► so we'll say maybe when these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► roll out and Apple talks about them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► stage maybe they will make it pitch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► that direction but as far as I can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► it looks a lot more like what we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► about last show a way for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/275">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► reassurance and to explain what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/280">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► applications do in a more clear way than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► just showing a nebulous view yeah we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► see but supposedly that is that is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► of the genesis for this there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► going to be a link in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/291">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► Smashing Magazine has how gdpr will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► change the way you develop which talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/296">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► about you know kind of how how all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/299">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► will affect developers and the rumblings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/301">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► I've heard through various sources is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► that this is a bigger deal than any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► us Americans are realizing because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/307">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► doesn't seem to apply to us but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► applies to any of us that have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► code that reaches more than one country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/315">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► in more than just America so and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► way I think it is possible to make good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► legislation to protect consumers privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► it's just really hard to do when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/322">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► comes to tech because you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► specifics of the technology are at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► moment and attack them and demonize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► one really it's a much more general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► legislative bodies I had a good track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► record with legislating technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► essentially like understanding what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► attacking a specific technology as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► one and only vehicle through which this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► issue will manifest and that's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► true like maybe that you know cookies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► were how privacy manifested a long long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/353">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► time ago privacy issues manifest in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► important ways than cookies and yet the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► legislation is just sits there staring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► at cookies which is why you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► legislate too technical details you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/366">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► to figure out what it is that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/369">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► really concerned about and make a law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/371">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► such that it applies in a useful way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► any future technology but also at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► technologies that may run afoul of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/380">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► letter of law if not the spirit making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► technologies doubly hard one way to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► with this by the way I'm saying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/387">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► most from a u.s. perspective I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► idea Europe is perhaps take the advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► and consultation of people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► technology a vested interest in one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/396">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► the other like kind of like talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► mathematicians and cryptographic experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► when you when you make any laws related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/403">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► to cryptography which the u.s. seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/404">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► completely incapable of doing or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/406">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► talk to them and ignore what they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► and said I think I'll listen to industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► lobbying groups instead they have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/412">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► the money so they must know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/413">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► talking about I mean to be fair like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/414">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► can't even agree that facts are facts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► I'm thinking back to a you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► naive time when we could simply just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► complain about how technologically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► illiterate our legislative bodies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► now we have much more pressing concerns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/431">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► and now I'm sad thanks for that John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► alright last week we talked about how if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► you are a member of one or thirty slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► teams you can actually a little no in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► I don't know when this announcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► actually happened but as it turns out we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► got word within moments of releasing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/452">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► episode that that's going away now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/455">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► though it has been disabled for slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► teams that haven't enabled it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► think it will be the it will be phased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► out in the next some duration of time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► I'm not surprised by this because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► totally seems like a thing that slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► might do early on as part of it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► let's make sure you have no excuse not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/476">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► to use slack right and then as slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/477">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► becomes more successful and as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► compare the statistics of how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► people use our IRC gateway versus how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► much does it take to maintain it versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/485">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► how much does it help our you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/486">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► strategic intent of the company it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/488">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► know it's probably used by a vanishingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► small percentage of slack's customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► they no longer are in that mode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/495">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► they need to convince people to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/496">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► slack because the ball started rolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► and it probably does take some amount to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► maintain and it's just a distraction so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► kind of make sure it makes sense that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/503">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► goes away but I bet if you use it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► probably pretty annoyed by that indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► so that happened coincidentally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► around the time we were bringing up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/510">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► the show its head hey you can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/511">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► moving on Amazon's Alexa is gaining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► new follow up mode which no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► requires a trigger word after every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/518">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► request so what'll happen is Alexa will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► listen for five seconds after your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/522">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► wanting to ask another question the blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/525">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► ring on your echo will remain lit and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/526">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► will indicate the cheese to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/529">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► in this time period you can ask her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► another question otherwise she'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/532">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► see this to me this is it sounds cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► until you actually think about how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/540">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► works in practice and I think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/542">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► actually label it now but the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/544">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► with that is it's not addressing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► you actually want which is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/549">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► actually want is to say cylinder play el [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/550">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► Scorcho by Weezer and turn the volume to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► five you know like you want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► to do multiple commands in one sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► or in one command and they can't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► right now none of them can as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/564">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► know and that's what you actually want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► what this feature does is hey cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► play Oh score sure by Weezer and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► says okay and then it starts playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► like you don't want that like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► not like I don't think it's stopping on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/580">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► the command I think all it's doing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► mean it's my reading of this article is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► all it's doing is it will immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/586">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► start playing the song that you asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/587">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► interpret as a command as if you had pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/593">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► fixed it with a cylinder right but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► like I'm pretty sure then the volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/596">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► still stays ducked and it's just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/597">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► feel like the the percentage of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/599">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► that's going to actually do what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► want versus the percentage of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/604">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► that it's going to either keep listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► something you say afterwards that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► didn't intend for it to be a command or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► just delay what you were trying to do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► do something or like you thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► still listening give it another command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/617">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► but the five seconds had just ended like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► I feel like the failure rate of that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► do what people actually want is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► be way way too high to be acceptable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► like it's just it's not going to be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/629">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► enough enough of the time whereas what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/631">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► like and it's also like to me that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/633">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► actually making the service smarter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► we actually need is for all these voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► assistants to become smarter and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► recognize compound commands that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► people actually want play el Scorcho by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/649">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► Weezer and turn the volume to five set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/651">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► of rice timer for 10 minutes and a pasta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► timer for seven minutes this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► people actually want to do and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/658">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► know little trees like this like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/660">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► really what we need is for the the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► actually recognize multiple commands the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► way humans will actually give them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► this is also not what I was asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► last week I think that's why I was sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/673">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► to us as follow-up what well I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► asking for was context awareness such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/676">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► that follow-up commands could be aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► interpret your subsequent commands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/681">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► light of what you had just asked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/683">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► based on like like the way a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/685">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► would if you say something to a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/686">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► an hour later you see something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/688">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► there's no way they're gonna connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/689">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► that to the context of the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► addendum two seconds later they have of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/694">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► the context of the first command you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/696">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► know to understand what you mean and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► the key part of that is that the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/701">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► thing that you say is not itself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/702">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► knowledge of the context that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/707">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► said last week that it probably requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/708">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► some more local hardware because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► would want I'm at least for privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► reasons or whatever you'd want some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/714">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► of that local context awareness to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► happen you know locally you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/717">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► the server to keep track of like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/719">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► session or whatever so we can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► locally compound commands would also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/724">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► good and actually seems much easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/727">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► me than what I'm asking for because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/729">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► it's two commands and there's a joiner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/730">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► and you can figure it out and break it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/732">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► up into pieces but I think it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/734">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► natural to have a conversation to hone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► in on what you want because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► formulate even a single command let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► alone a compound command as if as I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► a couple weeks ago you're playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/749">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► verbal text adventure where maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► don't have to get the syntax just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► but you understand that you're issuing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/754">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► command and now you maybe even issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/756">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► compound commands but it's not the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► you would yell them to have the room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► Marco to add something to your shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► list you would you don't you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/763">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► to formulate a command for Marco you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/764">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► basically say it in any way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/765">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► want including addendums and revisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► and you know what never mind about i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/770">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► just get the other thing that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/773">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► say stuff like that and it knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/774">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► the heck you're talking about and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/776">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► cylinder does not and that is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► tall order delay mode or follow-up mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► or whatever is not close to that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► least shows then the next shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► they understand that the current mode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/790">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► wake wake wake word or wake phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► followed by I forget you exist is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/798">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► primitive also like I feel like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/801">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► this kind of has like a Simon Says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/804">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► problem where like if you if you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► accustomed to not saying the wake word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► before every command you give that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► doesn't work all the time like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/815">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► say cylinder play out square by tweezer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/817">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► and then 10 seconds later say volume 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/819">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► because it won't recognize it yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/823">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► say Simon Says volume 5 you gotta say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► cylinder volume right and it's like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/826">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► but sometimes you don't have to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/828">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► like if you say it within 5 seconds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/830">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► the previous command being completed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/833">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► then you can omit the word cylinder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► it's like well that's like that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► gonna be confusing like that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► know it's gonna trip you up when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/840">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► like it's gonna increase your error rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/841">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► like this is okay this is this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/843">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► one of the reasons why this isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/845">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► solution I I feel like in at a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► level I think what kind of makes me sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/849">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► about the voice assistant market is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► all of us like Apple fans are accustomed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► to somebody being you know historically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► Apple being really good at designing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► really smart software and really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/862">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► software experiences and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► industry has always been pretty crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/868">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► overall if there's been a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/870">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► bright spots here there but not many and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► I feel like like we're all having to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/874">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► like the like Amazon and Google stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► and Amazon and Google have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/879">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► pretty rough especially Amazon pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► rough at user interaction design and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/883">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► software usability design and what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/887">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► seeing here is just like you know tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► companies making stuff that's mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/893">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► which is what we've always seen an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► is always the one who could save us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► particular market they just seem not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► capable of that for whatever reason and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► that just makes me sad like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► usually Apple will be the ones to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► us and to make like the really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/908">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► thing for people like us who cared about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/910">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► good experiences and all the details and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► everything and invoice systems they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► just aren't capable of doing that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► whatever reason oh it's kind of sad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► continue to think that this is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► in Google's wheelhouse than apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► interface design but specifically this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► this realm of translating words that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► up with into an intent is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► frustrates some of us because it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/936">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► longer works like AltaVista where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/937">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► can formulate like a boolean query with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/939">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► exact substring matching and and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/940">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► predictable results but that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► search box is all about saying people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/944">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► just type lots of stuff there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► can type things there and concise I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/949">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► still amazed that the Google search box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/952">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► I type things there and it finds what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► meant for it to find and I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► know how it's doing it like I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► it's not it's you know how did you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/959">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► what I was trying you know you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/961">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► page or whatever like none of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/963">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► words are on this page like you somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/965">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► figured out what I meant I granted it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► still a single command in response and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► it's not a conversation but Google was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/971">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► founded on that strength of going beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► the sort of simple direct computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► search to intelligent interpretation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► human generated words and translating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► that to an intent and satisfying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► despite spelling errors weird phrasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► you know the foibles of humans right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► speech-to-text is as good as it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► Maps very well on to the search problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/999">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► in that you have to figure out intent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► and you can get the words from it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► well and you have to figure out intent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► and same thing with spelling errors same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► thing with like you know homonyms or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► whatever that google is good at figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► strength so I totally look to them to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► the ones to figure to figure out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► aspect of user interface before Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► and I think they are doing it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► than Apple but I agree that all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► are are not not as good as I could help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► like Apple is way behind and Amazon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► Google have been ahead but I'm waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► for them both to take like the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► small step we are sponsored this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1034">TS</a>]
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00:17:32 ◼ ► per computer back please backs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► documents music photos videos drawings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► projects everything and you can access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► all of your data anywhere in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► on the website or on the go using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► as much as you want you can restore your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► entire drive if you want to if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► a major data loss or if your say on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► trip and you just need access to a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► that you forget to bring with you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► can restore just one file once again on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► the website or on their apps for mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► phones it's your choice you can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► restore by mail so for instance if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► have a whole bunch of files or like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► whole drive to restore and it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► take an unreasonable amount of time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► download all that stuff you can buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► hard drive with all your data on it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► gets overnighted to you via FedEx and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► you return the drive back then when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► you're done you get a refund Backblaze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► is used by tons of people they have over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► 500 petabytes of data under management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► terabytes or so of data from my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► it's wonderful I use them I've used them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► for a long time since before they were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► sponsor of any of my stuff and I'll tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► they really are if you you want online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► and if you're gonna get online backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► I've tried a lot of services and I stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► with back plays for lots of good reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► I highly suggest use back plays back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1123">TS</a>]
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00:18:56 ◼ ► that you can upload as fast as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► connection will do it and of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► have control of that if you want to it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► wonderful go to back plays comm slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► ATP to see for yourself and start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1143">TS</a>]
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00:19:10 ◼ ► yourself from all the risks that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► happen if you don't have your data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► backed up in the cloud and they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► have now business backup so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► already have back plays at home tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► your system in at work or if you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► system at work tell yourself to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► back please calm slash a TV and hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► business backup link in the top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► page the same awesome service with more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► admin tools using back please groups see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► for yourself once again 15-day free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► trial at Backblaze comm slash ATP start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► backing up your data right now trust me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► you will not regret it thank you so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► to back pleas for sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► what did you guys see there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► sort of like drama about Siri that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► happened today I did not get a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► look up what happened but apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► someone was like Oh series garbage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► it's not my fault do you know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► information which when I see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► website I always think of Marco and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► like thank someone the website it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► worse much worse than the magazine ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► was because the information is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► anyway you know the information is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► really spammy I really don't like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► they signed me up to their man list when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► they launched as if I had signed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► saying I was interested and as a result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► even though I have never responded to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► anything never sign up for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► they still incessantly spam me and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► really like you know I know it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► low to call them up publicly for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► but that is not okay for anybody to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► unsubscribe I just unsubscribe today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► speaking of them I did it because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► finally drove me that nuts but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► like like I never signed up for this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► all you're doing is promoting articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► that I can't see because I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► pay 40 bucks a month to a spammer and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► like it just it drives me nuts I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► people play fast and loose with mailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► lists all the time and on the maleness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► companies like MailChimp everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► they're all complicit in this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1258">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► they don't require a double opt-in when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► you import am analyst from another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► service allegedly and so like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► all complicit because they all make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► spamming people in in Mass really easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► and as a result I get on all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► spam lists that appear like I signed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► for them and you know it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► it's a dirty scammy trick when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► launching something like this to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► like a PR list you find somewhere or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► buy somewhere and the information was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► one of the companies that does that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► one of the many companies that does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► and so I just have zero respect for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► zero and I know it's a dumb reason but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► that's how nuts does drives me well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► anyway this explains why I know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► actually read the article because none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► of us have paid for the information but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► we know about it because there exists it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:42 ◼ ► was I think summarized on nine to five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1302">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► Mac which is also kind of a scummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► practice of like taking a paywall the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► article and then basically rewriting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► worse on your site so that people read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► your site instead of the paywall thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► yeah I love this business it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► great basis I should really go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► publishing web content that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► a lot of fun I mean I can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► like a paragraph and a link seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► reasonable but once you've gone on for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► page and a half with laborious the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► summarizing an article that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► the story as far as I could tell was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► bunch of a bunch of reports from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► inside Apple or X Apple people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► about the environment workings of Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► over the years is saying how and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► things went wrong with specific quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► from specific people assigning blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► to other people not to themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► explaining the situation and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► the typical you know things aren't going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► great inside a big company you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► product launches and it's not scalable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► and it's band-aided and everyone points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► fingers about who set the priorities or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► what they should be doing and how often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► it should be updated I mean it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► interesting you know or like from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► business case perspective if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► learning about how businesses run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► speaking I care less and less about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► internal political goings-on in Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► and and mostly just say like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► Apple's job to figure out like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► running Apple I'm not an executive there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► I'm not a high-level manager that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► their job as a company to figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► to corral the people to produce results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► and if it doesn't go well I'm not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► interested in why didn't go well who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► to blame which person was more difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► strategic decision at what point they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► just need to figure that out but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► outside of they say look how's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► product doing and the product is we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► discussed in the past not doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► great and they've had a long time so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► hope they get it sorted out I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► want to get angry about Siri again so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► let's just move on and instead let's get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► angry about keyboards Marco this is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► cue Apple apparently has a patented a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► keyboard that cannot be defeated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► crumbs Marco I know you have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► celebrating you are swinging from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► rafters you're so excited so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► know when we're gonna expect to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► but hopefully it will mean that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► need to invest in compressed air anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1437">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► I mean this is a problem I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► because I have a laptop that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► functioning keyboard I walked right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► that one but why do you think Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► would be excited by this this seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► Marcos nightmare to me because Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► loves the fact that the keyboard he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► hates also has a terrible reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► problem that allows him to righteously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► rail against it imagine if they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► that keyboard hundra's i'm relying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► this keyboard works all the time but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► fair when it first came out before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► knew how badly it would break all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► time that is what I did and also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► arrow key placement is still horrendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► and not having the not having the gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► above the arrows as a both the left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► but anyway look I I'm of two minds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► this you know number one John's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► you know I I in a way I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► see this keyboard succeed and be fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► I'm not gonna lie that's that is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► my motivation because I don't like it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► much but also like keep in mind I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► those keyboards for what about a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► before I finally gave up across 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► different laptops three and and so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► it's so I had the keyboard and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► I got used to it enough like I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► liked it but I was able to function with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► it until it stopped working reliably and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► so the reality is I know you know I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► a I got to choose my battles here I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► that a lot of people out there don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► care or even like this keyboard I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► that I'm that Apple is always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► press to make these things thinner and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► think Apple has shown it across multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► years and multiple products that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► only care about making the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► thinner and they will make some efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► to make the thin keyboard tolerable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► they are no longer interested in keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► it a good keyboard if that means they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► can't make it thinner and so I just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► to kind of resign myself to accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► III don't I'm not gonna round this for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► half hour like I usually do because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► this battle I lost this battle and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► going to continue to lose this battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► into the future the last thing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► Apple's gonna do in the next MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► revision is to make the keyboard thicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► and I I fundamentally don't believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► they can make a keyboard with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► little travel good I give to one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► they can do it good as far as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► concerned though because lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► do really like the keyboard I mean Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► and I included it basically being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► converted to this new keyboard this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► just the reliability issues and as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► reliability problems yeah I would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► if they made the keyboard a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► if they can fix the reliability problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► that that's the best I can hope for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► key layout is just sitting right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► too because there can be divisive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► opinions about do you like how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► keyboard feels or not like some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► like it some people don't find but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► feel like key layout changes there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► certain key layout changes that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► universally praised from the perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► of using the keyboard and the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► naysayers would be aesthetic for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► inverted t full-size breaking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► aesthetically people would hate that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► would be like the notch on the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► it would be like an asymmetrical notch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► on the bottom of your keyboard and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► people would yell about it but from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► perspective of people who type how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► it feel to type on I don't see anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► saying please bring back the half size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► our keys with or without the gaps above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► them I mean are there fans out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► who'd say please bring them back again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► yes I can imagine it but not from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► functional perspective did you just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► that you would bring asked to bring back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► the half our keys the what would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► mean the way I have them only 2015 where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► the left and right are half height now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► mean Brett make a full height and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► that have the rectangular shape the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► defines be broken so basically have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► up key in line with the other ones now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► but have the down left and right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► you know a look in their own row below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► us exactly I have all them be full sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► and have gaps above them I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► would be cool but there that's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► gonna do that so yeah no I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► like like the our key outlet he layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► universally praised for our functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► perspective but derided only from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► static perspective I'm not even saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► that wrong because I understand thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► that's ugly but boy would that be nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► for people use air which is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► everybody like who doesn't use the arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► keys a lot like my son these days he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► using the mouse to move his insertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► point one space I'm just like yo case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► use them like stop he goes from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► keyboard to the mass of the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► when he can't reach him he can't figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► out where they are because they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► the same height as everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► oh he's using a full-size Apple extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► keyboard sighs are you kidding we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► using not my Hanson yeah increase in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► real keyboards here and like I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► showed him the modifier for moving a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► word at a time and beginning of end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► line but just for a single character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► like see take the mouse and steer it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► of you know the place where he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► insert a quotation mark to match the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► other one and it's like just just hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► the left arrow once I swear to you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► will work and he's just not he's not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► that page this is what happens from not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1738">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► using computers and only using like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► iPads and iPhones like your whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► formative years you have no idea about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► moving the cursor with arrow keys well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► anyway yeah I don't I wouldn't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Apple to do anything that's gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► the keyboard less attractive to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► current Apple design teams aesthetic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► agree unfortunately they're just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► gonna do it like you know it's this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► not not like a rare thing with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► these days like look at the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► remote look at I mean look even look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► they're right they're regular like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► keyboards and mice and everything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► if they were willing to make it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► bit ugly they could make it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► economically or feel better or work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► better or whatever else but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► and it's easy to see both sides of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► argument like we all argue like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► things should work better design is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► it works they argue we are printing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► money and this is how we like to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► things and this is what looks good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► people buy our stuff in part because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► looks good it is ascetically better I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► think we would all agree it does look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► better when the keyboard is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► rectangle like it just does like as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► piece of art as a you know but yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► look Apple these days is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► designing beautiful things that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► suck to use like that's that's good it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► could even be argued that the uniformity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► is the reason the right and left our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► piece became full height because those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► little gaps were an asymmetry it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► guarantee you that's the reason because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► there's no there's no other reason to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► it doesn't make them easier to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► same reason that the bottom row of keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► is now the same height as all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► rows again uniformity yeah Oh totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► yeah it's you know because it's its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► aesthetics it's egotistical design it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► indulgent design for the designers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► indulge themselves and what they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► looks the best without regard to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► things work someone I think I'll also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► point out that even on the like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► external keyboards for desktop computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► the bottom row of keys is now the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► high as all the Owens I didn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► check this because I don't have one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► those new keyboards to compare with but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► I wouldn't be surprised to that were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► case if only for parts sharing reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► suppose you all know Apple likes to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► the same keyboard across all of his all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► of its laptops from 12 inches to 17 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► which I will you know forever remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► there's only slightly less ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► that's shared between the 15 and the 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and the 12 I guess oh so I'm this before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► we leave this this bit of fall pair on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► this this pen the date of his patent is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► uh 2016 which makes me think like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► as the original Mac books were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► out about 2016 or was that they came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► in early 2015 a year before and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► before they brought this keyboard to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► of their laptops during which it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► very clear during that year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► that it failed a lot yeah so so but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► but in 2016 they introduced the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► Pros with the same keyboard at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► time they filed this patent so it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► that they had been thinking about at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► some point you know before 2016 they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► been investigating these different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► to seal up the bottom of the thing no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► I think I brought this up when we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► about the original slimline keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► maybe was when we talked about the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► bar but I think this is oh use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► opportunity to once again promote the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► idea that I think Apple would benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► from on all of its laptops this idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► sealing up the key caps with little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► membrane so that stuff can't get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► there just take the next level and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► these damn things waterproof right if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► you can waterproof a phone if you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► waterproof keyboard included which will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► also obviously include as a side effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► the inability to get crap underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► keys I would imagine I mean doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► to necessarily but I would imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► would be that could be part of it people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► how many people KC spill things on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► laptops if you like is it beyond us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► technologically speaking to make a sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► of sealed keyboard that feels good I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► mean maybe these patterns are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► patents because Apple figured out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► do this it makes the keyboard feel even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► worse I don't know we'll see if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► ever produce something like this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► well no I mean we we kind of know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► from the smart Keyboard the the iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► smart keyboard has I think but the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► butterfly switches or at least similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► feeling switches but it has like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► membrane across the whole thing and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► it is I think roughly a water resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► at least but it doesn't get it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► get stuff under the keys it doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► that so we kind of know like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► possible to do with just a membrane and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► I know that one of the Microsoft Surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► notebook lines does it too and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► issues with it like you know getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► dirty and looking really grimy and gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► really fast but like that's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► that it has to go that way like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► different materials choices could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► different different results they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► that's not actually that bad of a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► to try I don't know if it would feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► better or worse than we have now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► like the smart Keyboard like I use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► smart Keyboard all the time on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► I wouldn't call it great but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► tolerable and that's about what I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► say for the notebook one as well so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► just tolerable in slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► keyboard keys never failed on me not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► once because stuff can't get in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► it's not a ridiculous idea do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► the problems of the smart Keyboard with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► like I think it was iOS 11 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► people complaining the smart Keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► doesn't work reliable anymore due to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► like some change and in a debouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► firmware some crap oh yeah no I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► it's it's not I haven't had I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► if it's related to deep bouncing or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► no I definitely is less reliable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► seems like a like an iOS software thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► like just like the way the apps behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► with the keyboard attached to detached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► it has been more buggy rotations been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► more buggy yeah it's it's been kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► mess but I attribute that to iOS 11 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► challenge you might have with the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► of waterproofing a laptop is ventilation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► and cooling yeah no it mean is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► the MacBook is your easiest one right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► because the reason I bring up this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► idea of waterproofing now is that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► has slowly been sealing up its laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► not for the purpose of water performing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► but just for the purpose of Apple being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► Apple like getting rid of moving parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► and seams and making them unibody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► then the battery is not removable then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► contenting I mean it's a simplification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► it's moving towards this Platonic ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► of like this is a featureless you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► smooth they are certainly featureless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► all right and so the MacBook no vents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► right you still have to deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► ports which I think might be challenging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► because Apple doesn't get to define all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► those ports you have to come up with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► sealed but still repairable e internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► or replaceable USB C port or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► but there's not a lot of holes in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► 12-inch MacBook right so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► that is that is a good candidate if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► can steal an iPad or an iPhone you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► it has similar number of holes to to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► Apple laptop for the ones with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► vents and fans I granted us a lot harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► but even on those if you say look it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► not waterproof but the top surface the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► keyboard surface if you do a spill on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► the water will shed away and not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► sucked into the vents and the top is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► sealed so that it's waterproof so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► take a spill you can't dunk the thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► water but it's better than it was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► because if you spell on the keyboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► doom didn't Apple would never repair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► everything again and if this membrane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► keyboard like if they do this for chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► reasons I said while you're in there see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► what you can do about water let's call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► it water resistance or something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► know I I just think it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► silly as time goes on that our phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► can be dropped into a glass of water and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► come back out okay but are much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► expensive laptops like a pin drop of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► water fan falls on the keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► filters down to the inside and starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► corroding things and it's all over one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► speck of dust $700 one speck of wet dust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► $1,200 yeah no more that's like total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► replacements like sorry well it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► they probably the phone's water got in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► this and that we don't cover water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► damage I don't know that's true of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► laptops but I know the phones have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► little water damage sensor thingies on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► them that they yell at you about if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► turns out your thing has water damage no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► it is also true of laptops right use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► desktop kids they don't get wet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► don't get wet in those cases around I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► bet everybody good friends challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► accepted I would say hold my beer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► I'm gonna need it we are sponsored this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► week by after socks bone conduction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► headphones go to ATP aftershocks calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► and use code ATP 30 to get $30 off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► wonderful new treks air their new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► flagship headphones bone conduction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► headphones rest next to your ear not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► it not around it not in it and they send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► small vibrations through your cheek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► bones that reach your inner ear so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► feels like you're wearing nothing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► really and especially the new Trek's air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► are so light they have a full titanium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► wraparound band weighs just 1.06 ounces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► it's incredibly light it's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► comfortable and it feels like you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► nothing at all but you hear the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► from the headphones and you also hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► the sound around you which just can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► very useful for practicality and safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► reasons in various conditions and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► best thing is there's nothing in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► ear so if your ears hurt like mine do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► when you when you put in like regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► earbuds you won't have this problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► the Trek's air because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► resting in your ear or they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► resting next year with a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► certified to repel sweat dust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► moisture so it's very good for bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► weather or workouts or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► that battery life is great on these they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► have over six hours of battery life for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► continuous music and phone calls a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► twenty days standby time and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► the tracks are also features EQ options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► so if you want a boost bass or reduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► vibration you can do that there's of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► course microphones dual noise cancelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► microphones to make incredibly clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► phone calls with the new tracks air they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► are wonderful if you have any problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► they are they have a two-year warranty I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► use the tracks air myself and I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► them I absolutely love them they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► wonderful for hearing the world around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► headphones really don't offer very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► if at all with these they're great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► if you're like walking outside and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► want to hear so you don't get like hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► by a car or something terrible like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► or even more practical stuff like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► you're in your house and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► hear somebody knocks on the door or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► your phone is ringing somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► it's very very useful check it out today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► ATP aftershocks calm and you can get $30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► off the treks air model which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► model I highly recommend ATP's of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► aftershocks comm code ATP 30 for $30 off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► the treks air thank you so much two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2337">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► aftershocks bone conduction headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► for sponsoring our show what do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► think I know this has been very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► covered especially on the talk show a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► few days ago but what do you guys think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► of the rumors of a potential MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► update this this to me I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► potentially very interesting yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► heard that was the talk show with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► Jason us now Snell was on yeah Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► Snell and John Gruber were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► that I kind of agree with Jason about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► his consternation of this like somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► we can't kill this laptop and I'm mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► I'm also coming at it from a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► Apple should be embarrassed angle not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► much of the MacBook Air is a bad machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► but there's one part of the machine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► think is inexcusable that's the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► now because it's not in retina like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► made all the points in the show some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► people don't care about retina some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► people can't even see the difference but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► because it has such incredibly bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► viewing angles brightness and color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► reproduction right it just it's just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► this point when it was introduced fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► looks worse than basically any new PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► laptop screen you could buy at any price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► we hold an honest question have you seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► a 12-inch MacBook screen yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► because they like if you look at the 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► inch compared to the other higher end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► noticeably worse at things like viewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► angle color everything it's it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► good screen but it's better than it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► better than the air that's true I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► give you the head but but but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► it's still like a crap screen it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► Oh a slowdown it is not a cracked screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► wouldn't compare it to a MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► screen of an even the old ones I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► every day I know yeah the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► adorable one any day its retina so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► like way better than that but but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► I'm just saying for color reproduction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► of viewing it were a thing that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► you surprised itself andhe they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► really had crap monitors that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► always had pretty much the best monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and then they wouldn't let a really old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► monitor stay around for a long time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► they would that they would refresh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► they have been refreshing the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► Air like ripping out the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► changing the internals and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► like that but leaving that screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► it just it just boggles my mind because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► I feel like at this point I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► want to buy a thousand dollar laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► inexcusable so if they had been updating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► the MacBook Air to keep it limping along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► on life support and had also updated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► screen I would be like well this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► ideal but they're you know they found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► themselves in a weird place with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► product line so let's see what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► with it like I think Jason and Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► had a good analysis of that as they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► somehow it's conceivable they somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► found themselves in the scenario where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► any move to replace it would result in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► reduced margins on one or both lines as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► the as the pyre shifted and then Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► Cook philosophy is like it if it ain't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► broke people are still giving us money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► for it don't fix it which is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► from a like coherent product line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► directive and if there is another live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► talk show with Apple executives on it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► really hope John asks them there I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► you doesn't ask them because if you ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► them it seems like your laptop line has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► no coherent story you can make like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► the errors would be able to like blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► blah blah and then you have the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2518">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► of people all you're doing is like wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► listing the pros and cons of your models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► but there there is no coherent story to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► the naming features or pricing of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► it is a mess and so I would state that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► coherent story to the naming features of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► pricing of your hub line why is that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► if they want to contest that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► push back pretty hard to set con one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► them is called air but it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► lightest but it's super old it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► mag safe on it but the element don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► have MagSafe one's called macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► but it's got the internals of the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► and it's your brain explodes so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► their line is in disarray and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► they can make I think the MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► was a great model of laptop but that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► have the technology now to make a line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► of computers that spans the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► computer at the thousand dollar price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► point than they current offer now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► also there's a better computer at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► the other ones and you know depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► how you want to do it hey put on MagSafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► and USB see you let people charge from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► both let's see which one people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2578">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► better right because then you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► advantages of cases and his his switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► charger and the advantage of you trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► over my card you won't break it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► can maybe you can choose when you order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► it whether you want the MagSafe or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► because maybe you just want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► to use all your same chart anyway or put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► a SD card slot on the side of it of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► these computers or maybe you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► HDMI port on one model like I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► gonna live a crazy here but I long for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► the days when you could look at the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► of Apple laptops and say I see how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► big small low price high price lot not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► lot of features a bunch of features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► have them all look like a family and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► that's not the case not the case at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► I think curiosity that I that I had but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► thread the other nice discussion of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► again I think listen to the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► this week it's a really good discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► about this from a lot of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► angles but one one thought I had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► like if they make a retina MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► if they literally change nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► about it except a Retina screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► maybe replacing the two Thunderbolt 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► ports it has I have one or two replacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► its Thunderbolt 2 ports with USBC ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► and then of course you know a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► chipset of the same type that we that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► currently the MacBook Escape would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► anybody still buy the MacBook escape no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► like that that that's the problem we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► MacBook Air why would anyone buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► MacBook or MacBook why would I not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► - sorry a MacBook Pro rather not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► MacBook the MacBook escaped a 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► MacBook without touch bar is by many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► measures a MacBook Air it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► MacBook Air Class processors the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► Air Class chipset and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► it's it's the same approximate size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► weight it's a little bit you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► slightly different but it roughly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► same size and weight as the 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► MacBook Air but if you put it if you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► a Retina screen in the old ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► MacBook Air body that was designed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► 2010 I bet it would sell better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► 13-inch MacBook Escape it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2697">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► better laptop it has an SD card slot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► has you know MagSafe the option for mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► safe it has legacy USB ports which apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► acknowledges is a thing that some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► want otherwise they wouldn't have put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► them on the I of Mac Pro right yeah if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► you could show the regular person which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► one of these laptops do you think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► better which one do you want and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► tell them about the price and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► weren't sensitive to styling cues that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► clearly indicate for the MacBook Air is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► super old right they would say oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► one's got more stuff it's got more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► features it's got more things and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► magnet power cable is really smart right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► why should you ever pick the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► if we tell you guess what that one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► three hundred dollars more you like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► who would pay three hundred dollars more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► to have no ports on the side for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► computer that is basically the same size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► and weight and it perceptibly seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► thicker because it doesn't taper right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► like the MacBook Air is thicker on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► end but thinner on the other but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► seems smaller because it gets skinny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► just for the perception type thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► that that's the and and it's fine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► they do that like if they want to remake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► their line and in that way you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► sort this type of thing out but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► they they leave it in the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► scenario where the old one is clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► old that has serious downsides versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► terrible screen they have on it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► perceptible reason and you trade off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► bunch of stuff and then they gets even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► more super expensive and you still don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► get your ports back and you still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► no magic say from the keyboard is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► and breaks all the time so they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► they need to do something I really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► to just clean house on the laptop line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► and say all new line one nice family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► unified in appearance features and has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► coherent ramp from from expensive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► point centered all sizes every one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► them is better in some way whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► has more features or better reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► or you know faster or whatever yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► suspect we're gonna see some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► major movement in the laptop line this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► year I really hope we do the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► line has so many of these like weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► issues not to mention you know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► the problems it has but like just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► these like weird things about like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► make it you know more or less compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► or seemingly weirdly priced in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► ways or really segmented in other ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► like it needs help and I have a feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Apple knew that two years ago at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► shortly after it launched and I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► feeling they've work to fix it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► the only question is how they're fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► it and I don't expect this to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► know giving me all my hopes and dreams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► or anything but but I do expect change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► and hopefully improvement and so we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► see what that means speaking of hopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► and dreams this is a tough question in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► the style these recent ones that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► listeners have been sending us for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► high end laptops which is where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► all shopping well you two are shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► cos I don't buy laptops I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► towards that point if you had to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► one port to add to the current crop of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► MacBook Pro ports I suspect the 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► MacBook Pro visit as the most would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► can only pick one for your own personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► purposes not for like what would make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► better laptop for Apple to sell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► would you pick on a 15-inch no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► an SD card reader jay-z I'm torn between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► I would probably h TM I would also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► convenient I know I'm thinking I see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► like to me like if you if it's less if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► it's not the 15-inch like if you ask me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► what what port I would add to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► MacBook Escape it would be a third of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► anything like a third USB C port just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► one more of anything because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► it most desperately needs like the 12 X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► 2 right yeah the same thing I would kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► for a second USB C port in my but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► my big the 15 just just to see like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► know you feel like there's enough USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► seasoned on the 15 but you can add one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► more thing you know what would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► I I am very torn between SD between old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► USB and between HDMI but I think if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► probably come down on SD card reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► because I don't find a need for plugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► in the Aged HDMI that often and I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► dongle for it I don't have a need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► plugging in Legacy USB stuff that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► and I have a dongle for it but I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► an SD card reader that I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► convenient to just be able to slot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► yeah it to me is like you can solve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► lot like a lot of the annoyances of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► new of the new laptop ports are solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► by just having a lot of them like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► know like when you have four of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► well technically really you have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► of them because one of them have a power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► plug in it but we know when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► three you pass through like your diiii I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► hear your point a hundred percent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► you're in dongle town and it like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► regardless yeah I know well that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► of the problem were all landowners in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► dongle town my friend but I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► you like the other ports you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► inconvenience of USB ceiling laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► with getting new cables for old devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► like you can you can you can go on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► know mana price grammars or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► get inexpensive cables that have USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► on one end and whatever your peripheral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► needs on the other end and you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► replace their cables and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2997">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► there's some issues with hubs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► multiplying those that I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► before which is still annoying but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► feel like you can reduce a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► annoyance with just like new cables but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► if you if you need SD cards as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► your workflow there's no way to reduce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► that annoyance you're always gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► like an SD card hanging out of the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► of it through a cable or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► that's that sucks and when it's built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► it sucks less so like other problems can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► be solved with either time or cabling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► choices or peripheral choices but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► having an SD card reader if you use SD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► cards is always a pain so the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► asked this question is because I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► thinking about it a lot lately and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► tell you if you if you surveyed all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► people in my office at work they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► increasingly when we we land in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► conference room and someone needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► project never mind the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► should really with the number of Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► and it's all of us they should really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► have Apple TVs connected to every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► thing so we could airplay to them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► would solve this problem in a much nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► way Steve Jobs would approve you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► need an HDMI port you just need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► able to airplay to everything I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► department anyway they would all save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► because it's so frustrating we all sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► down there and it's like we look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► for the one person with with the 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► laptop who can actually plug in because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► everyone forgot their dog and it used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► be there was just one person with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► new laptop and we would laugh at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and now there's like one person left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► with the old laptop and once the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► laptop disappears just gonna be a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► of people sitting around unable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► project I don't understand why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► don't put the adapters for this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► anyway that's what people work would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► but that's not what I would say because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► in my regular life if I was buying ops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► for myself I don't need to connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► HDMI so I never pick HDMI but work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► totally would I would have said in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► past SD right because I do have cameras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► that have SD cards when I go on vacation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► I like to offload pictures from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► camera to my thing without a dongle it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► gonna be and build it in its small its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► skinny it'll fit fine but the more I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► been thinking about it the more I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► been getting attached to the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► taking a 15-inch MacBook Pro and adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► MagSafe and still having the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► charge by any of the USB see things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► not removing that ability but adding mag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► save as an addition because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► you get the twofer you get MagSafe which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► is better to trip over and stuff you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► as I think it was a the Jason snow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► maybe it was a Gruber saying you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► indicator light which i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► useful feature when you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► clothes laptop and you plug in to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► sure you see the little light that shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► grip up amber or green show whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► floyd charge Jerry's charging right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► it's a great feature it's not like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► Apple had that what fifteen years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► like it's not a new thing and left up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► this right and you also get one of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► ports back now you really do have four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► ports instead of three if you want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► convenience if I just have USB C charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► with me on vacation it could charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► everything you've got it but also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► could have the Mac safe and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► only question is what are you ship in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► the box you should MagSafe to ship USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► or you should both and probably Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► would make you pick or something and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► know are we backsliding and I know max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► they've had problems too and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► I feel like ship them both let let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► people decide what they want to use how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► Apple can collect stats about what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► use and anonymously send them back with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► its differential privacy for how often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► the laptops are charging via Mac save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► versus how often they're charging by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► USB see I probably would get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► benefit out of SD but I I'm finding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► Toofer of getting a getting a port back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► irresistible and so now I'm envisioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► it's laptops by adding an SD card slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► and now envision them adding back Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► safe which i think is astronomical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► that's likely the netting SD card slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► because it just it would be like egg on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► face of like Oh Romero MagSafe we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► bringing it back that would be a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► sell whereas SD not there's so much room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► alongside the the edges of those 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► laptops right it's just a giant expanse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► with these two little tiny USBC holes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► tolerate the Aesthetica marring of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► very skinny discreet SD card slot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► there how it looks fine on Marco's 2015 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► MacBook Pro I think it would be fine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► a by 2018 model one thing also they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► could do that that I think it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► goes against their sensibilities but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► I think it probably shouldn't because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► engineering flops of the numa of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► lineup is that the the number of USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► like its it to me like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► biggest problems with these as I've said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► numerous times is just there aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► enough ports like if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► sell us on an all USB see world ok we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► can adapt to that over time with dongles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► and stuff and new cables and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► especially with one of them being lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► to power as you said like you basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► lose one during most practical usage for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► most people most of the time so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► like the MacBook Escape basically has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► one port Kasey's MacBook one has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► ports pretty much so like and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► the and the 15-inch has three and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► look at and any no.13 pearls and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► look at like you know what the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► ones had like you could connect more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► than that amount of things to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► without adapters and I feel like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► the if you look at the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► behind this one of the challenges for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► example one of the reasons why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► MacBook Escape only has two ports is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► because of limitations of how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► Thunderbolt channels you can deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► because Apple decided to make all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► these USB C ports also Thunderbolt three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► ports except for the morning KC's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► macbook one and that's a choice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► they made they didn't have to it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► possible to have a USB C port that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► not support Thunderbolt 3 like the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► in KC's might pick one hmm and so Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► no trust me this is in many ways a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► thing it used me more of them and so hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► I feel like you know one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► ways to solve the the anoints these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► laptops is to use if you're gonna insist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► on USBC okay but we need more of them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► total including your power hole is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► enough if you can't make them on certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► models if you can't make them full-blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 ports which you already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► can't they're already not Thunderbolt 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► the MacBook one and the ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► right side of the 13-inch MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► are half bandwidth or whatever it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► there's already exceptions the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► that comes with it that charges from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► brick to the computer is a USBC cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► that is not a Thunderbolt cable in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► shouldn't even exist but they do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► you know there's already all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► exceptions to what the ports can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► can't do in addition Thunderbolt usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► in practice is pretty low and it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► the common case what most people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► plugging into these things it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► either just power or power and USB it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► you know most of the peripherals being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► plugged into these ports do not need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 and so by Apple taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► taking these ports on the on mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► stops except for Katie's and saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► can only have as many as a Thunderball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► controllers allow us to with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► chipset or whatever that's very limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► to the number of ports you can have if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► they had if they had like you know two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 and 2 more that couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► maybe on the other side or whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► you know that's not ideal but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► that's better than not having enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► ports to do basic things that you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► so I know be more complicated I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► they wouldn't be able to put a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► thunder bolt lightning bolt symbol next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► to all of them but I think that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► best compromise that we have if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► gonna do in all USBC world we need more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► of these ports and it is a waste to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► suggest that they all need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► thunder both three I mean look one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► them most of the time is used for power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► and nothing else no data at all you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► wasting Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► port that transfers nothing except power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► so like obviously like you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► there's a there's a major engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► inefficiency in tying Thunderbolt 3 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► USBC for all these laptops if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► separate them you could give us way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► ports and when I weigh more you can give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► us a to more ports at least some close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► to these without having any bandwidth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► challenges you could give away more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► they have they have USB inside these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► cases you could give you could give 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► USB seaports along with 4 Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► ports like I felt like they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► controller capacity or space inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► case to put it controller they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► support that like USB connections are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► cheap in the grand scheme of things yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► complicated like with like the wiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► and stuff if if the other ones could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► also do some of the other alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► modes like if they can take power input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► or if they can do certain video output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► types but because I know Thunderbolts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► required for some of the alternate modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► but not all of them or it is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► those Ramon's I don't know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 3 made these ports very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► limited and in number and probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► fairly expensive to implement but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► was an unforced error they didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► to do that I understand why they did but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► I think that was the wrong move and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► hope they fix it ok a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► first of all you just said unforced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► error and to my ears it was the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► uncomfortable with my reality right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► wait so I it's not a sports term because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► I learned it from John it is a sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► term okay to me it's a Syracuse a term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► Wow well that and then now my reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► back to being reality so I appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► that let's let's go on a adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► together a little mental exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► together it is 2016 or whatever year it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► was that the USBC MacBook Pros came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► it doesn't matter what it was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► whatever whenever they debuted it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► that year that moment and within a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► weeks of each other the new MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► come out and let's pick on the 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► specifically there's a new MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► it's 15 inches it has four USB C and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► thunderbolt ports simultaneously lenovo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► or dell or somebody else comes out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► effectively the same thing as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► off to do and it has the same for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► physical USB C ports but only two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► them are Thunderbolt do you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► the three of us would be doing at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► moment we would be saying oh haha these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► idiot PC vendors now that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► worry about whether or not you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► what a ridiculous mess that is we did we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► didn't say that on the MacBook we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► situation now where you have to know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► side is special Neal that's been I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3598">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► side is special Neal that's been I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/3598">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► background knowledge do I need to do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► acquiring an apple in terms of time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:08 ◼ ► money I think you said something smart a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7208">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► minute ago with regard to it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► important when things fall apart you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:17 ◼ ► know in general in my experience like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7217">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► I'm a relatively novice iOS developer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► mean I've been doing it casually for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► fairly long time but I've only been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► doing it professionally for two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► now and it's when things fall apart that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► I start really getting stressed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► have to start kind of reaching way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► outside my comfort zone trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:37 ◼ ► out what is broken and why and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7237">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► think in some ways if I was a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► experienced developer I would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► through these problems a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► experienced iOS developer I would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► through some of these problems more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► quickly but it's my experience in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:53 ◼ ► general as a developer and in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7253">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► it's my experience of understanding most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► of the stack and in and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7256">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► keeps me you know kind of level-headed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► patience and tenacity to figure out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:05 ◼ ► lot of these problems and I wish I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7265">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► specific example offhand and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► don't which is good I guess because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► means things haven't finally died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► recently but but you know I I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► it's valuable that that I have not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► engineering background which to me is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► engineering and I'm sure a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► will take offense at that I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► that's the way I look at it and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► that means you know where where CS from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► my experience and I'm not trying to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► this is fact this is just way I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► it CS tends to stop with code usually or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► engineering goes all the way down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► logic gates and that isn't helpful in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► day to day time but it is helpful just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► like John said a minute ago it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► helpful to understand what at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► vaguely what are all these abstractions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► and how do they relate to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► it demystifies it like it like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► anything's works but I know how a CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:01 ◼ ► works and I have built CPU from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7321">TS</a>]
02:02:03 ◼ ► logic you level up and I have built a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7323">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► logic gate with solid state electrical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► components and you know like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► whole thing it doesn't mean suddenly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► know how your computer works but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► like you know from top to bottom you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► know the magic starts basically at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► quantum level where my physics courses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► ran out like that's where the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► starts that's pretty long that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► low down everything else is like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► scared of it it doesn't seem magical the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► other thing I forgot to mention about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► having a background in the fundamentals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► is it also gates how high you can go so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► if you want to make an iOS application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► chances are good that you won't need any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► sort of in-depth knowledge about data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► structures and you know fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► computer signs the algorithms or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► things like neural networks and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► like that because the frameworks do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► application is not a complicated as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► think it is like probably it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► fairly basic application right but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7374">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► you are building a more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7377">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► application games are a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► because they employ a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► where you know the first approach that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► occurs to you is terrible and will work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► well that's the time where you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► if I had a background in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► science I might know some algorithms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:13 ◼ ► that would do this in a more efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7393">TS</a>]
02:03:15 ◼ ► way if you don't have a background in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7395">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► that very often you will find like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► you'll find yourself deriving from first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► principles a sort of half-assed version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► of a well known algorithm like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:28 ◼ ► know I'm not saying you can figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7408">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► out yourself but it's like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► wasting your own time if you just had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► background in data structures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► algorithms you would have immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:36 ◼ ► narrowed down to a couple of choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7416">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► maybe recall off the top of your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► different things and known which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► works best and then just you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► know implemented that yourself most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► the time again most time you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► to do this most time libraries implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:51 ◼ ► these things for you if you have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7431">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► sort of associative array or dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► or hash structure or NS array under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7435">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► covers is doing all sorts of smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7437">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► algorithms switching from hash buckets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► to a linear search when the size it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► dictates that it's smart like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► have to know what that the magic happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► behind the scenes for you but if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► building a structure like that yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► to manage your own data again maybe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► games where efficiency is paramount it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► figuring out the lower layers above you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► but being able to do for yourself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► things that for most developers are done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► for them by the frameworks in the OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► complicated things and if you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► that background you can still do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► you will essentially be figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:35 ◼ ► things that people figured out tens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► hundreds of years ago as you derive from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► first principles basic old mathematical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7479">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► concepts and data structures which works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:42 ◼ ► fine but it's it takes more time there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7482">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► is a truly phenomenal series of YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► videos that PBS made in association with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► it's called crash course computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► science and Mike and I talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:57 ◼ ► a little bit on analogue and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7497">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► trying to do like a you know we'll watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7499">TS</a>]
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02:05:21 ◼ ► them but it is step by step going from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7521">TS</a>]
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02:05:44 ◼ ► top of another and it's abstractions all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7544">TS</a>]
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02:06:51 ◼ ► that series I was too I couldn't get him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7611">TS</a>]
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02:06:57 ◼ ► enjoyed it to some degree but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTMXyfg/7617">TS</a>]
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