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01:07:17 ◼ ► some one of those glass waterfall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4037">TS</a>]
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01:07:30 ◼ ► just an aesthetic so the building looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4050">TS</a>]
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01:07:34 ◼ ► enhances the experience of being in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► building in an important way right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4056">TS</a>]
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01:07:40 ◼ ► people outside looking at it but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► maybe there was a little bit of wishful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► thinking in terms of all right so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4066">TS</a>]
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01:07:57 ◼ ► will develop the flint reflexes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4077">TS</a>]
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01:08:00 ◼ ► adjust their daily paths to not do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4080">TS</a>]
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01:08:08 ◼ ► sure it's not a factor anymore I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► they might have been optimistic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► how much people will eventually adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► to it and we'll see maybe maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► don't know you know what they should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4094">TS</a>]
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01:08:30 ◼ ► will get used to it like this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4110">TS</a>]
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01:09:37 ◼ ► subtly guide you to where you where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4177">TS</a>]
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01:10:30 ◼ ► fogs it up and lets you see all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► or they can do what they do then the ski [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► jumps where they put pine boughs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► everything they just you ever see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► where they go to the back flips off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► ski jump at the Olympics they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► the slope that they land on to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► completely wiped is that I can't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► they can't do depth perception to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► where it is when they flip to the air so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► dark-colored junk all over it at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► that would be natural it's just just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► bunch of pine needles stuck to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► windows what if they use like like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► of like fiber-optic style like light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► guide lighting in the glass panes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► that all the panes of glass can eat like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► each department can pick a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► like neon color that all their glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► will be lit with all right I got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► transition to accidental neutral quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► at this point but they need driver aids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► right so if you are approaching if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► are approaching a glass wall to speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► they feel a collision is imminent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► glass wall should change to like in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► of those transparent LCD screens and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► warning stop wall is in front of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► goodness so there's some transcripts on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► the San Francisco Chronicle website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► dispatcher tell me exactly what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► patient I walked into a glass door in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► the first floor of Apple Park when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► trying to go outside which was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4294">TS</a>]
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01:11:39 ◼ ► walked through a glass door patient I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4299">TS</a>]
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01:11:42 ◼ ► walked into a glass door yeah speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► of those big glass doors like the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► guess the cafeteria doors though forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► like the the the eating place I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► they don't call it a cafeteria because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► that's not fancy enough but like has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► like what four story or three story high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► glass doors that way some astronomical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4318">TS</a>]
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01:12:03 ◼ ► like barn doors and they're just huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► expanses of glass and I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► about this about a month ago looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► the pictures of really you know the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► the final building being constructed now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4331">TS</a>]
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01:12:15 ◼ ► been constructing California has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► sorts of like earthquake readiness stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► built into it because surely the codes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► require that and surely Apple would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4340">TS</a>]
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01:12:41 ◼ ► be during an earthquake is near one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► these giant sheets of glass because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► don't want a chunk of glass falling from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4366">TS</a>]
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01:12:54 ◼ ► the sheer weight like forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4374">TS</a>]
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01:12:59 ◼ ► breaks into small pieces it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► clear Rock landing on your head from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4381">TS</a>]
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01:21:35 ◼ ► the beach by the way and it's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► and I guess where I'm going and my hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► isn't messed up because it can't be it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► amazing I go to the shower and it's dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► like it's done I just walk out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► bathroom it's wonderful like so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► don't feel bad for me as these two were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► talking about comparing the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► product in their hair and and how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► can't enjoy wind movement because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► might mess up their hair that's only for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► going to work I'm glad you broke the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► beach Beach is the one time where I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► a sunroof just to smell the beach air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► and because no one should ever care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► where the hair looks like when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► going to or from the beach and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► and finally when do you turn your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► recirculation on or recirculating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► the air conditioning I don't typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► mess with this unless there is an odor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► or I'm in a hurry to get the the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► either colder or warmer my car does have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► an automatic recirculation feature I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► have no idea if that's like a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► placebo or if it actually does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► flip recirculation on and off and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► typically I just leave that on but in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► Prior cars I would only ever really turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► recirculation on if I was in a real big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► hurry to reach the temperature I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► John I think it's your turn now I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► manual control even though my car has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► automatic climate control I have manual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► control or I'm a micro manager of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► climate controls and recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► different i preemptively turn it on when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► I know I'm going to be coming to a stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► behind a smoker because smokers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► disgusting and flickers dependent other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► windows which they leave cracked open so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► we're the entire world can enjoy their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► stupid smoke and then they flick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► cigarette that their have done without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► the window to I put three Sark on again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► preemptively when I'm you know gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► stopped behind a big truck that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► spewing its stinky exhaust basically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► mean I know there's going to be an order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► from the outside I turned on and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► final time that I do it is yeah in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► summer when I want to get the car cooler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► faster but only after I allow enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► fresh air in so the inside and outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► temperatures are equalized and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► winter when my cars when my cars pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► heating system I can't keep up can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► like literally can't make the car warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► enough because it is so freakin cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► that the air coming out of the vents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► gets appreciably warmer when I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► recirc on like in the really cold spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► that we have are it's like below zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► for several days in a row the car will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► eventually warm up and be comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► enough but if you're on a shortness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5037">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► drive where you don't have time to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► that you just got to put on research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► just to get it just for me to not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► freezing my boat I don't have heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► seats I think that would really help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► get around with it but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► I used to manually manage recirculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► I don't anymore because modern nice cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► not only do it for you and and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► defaults of when to use it versus when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► not to seem pretty good but also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► the smoker issue I I too like one way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► really make me very angry is to make me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► smell cigarette smoke for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► and but the good thing is about like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► I don't know if it's a Tesla and BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► thing or whatever but like usually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► the intake air filters seem to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► good on some of these cars now that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► don't usually smell outside smells if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► windows are up and my Sun roof is closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► now occasionally I will still smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► cigarette because my windows cracked or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► something but that's coming in through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► the window not the ventilation system so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► I almost never have any reason to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► manually adjust whether recirculation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► on or off I just let the system handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► Peter Gosling writes in there seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► be a lot of disappointment to slack Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► client justifiably so why not stick with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:14 ◼ ► IRC like the live show the native Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5114">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► IRC clients are joy to use and aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► half-baked like slack is so a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► of background slack is written using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► electron which does not by necessity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► means it's a pile of mean that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► pile of garbage but it turns out it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► in fact a pile of garbage but a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► known fact about slack which I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► will not remember to put in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► notes and say you can actually access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► slack I chat rooms teams whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► terminology is via IRC there's an IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► front-end to slack so you could use any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► IRC client in connect to slack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► that's what Peters talking about where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► this falls down is a couple of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► one Peter said the native Matt mac IRC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► clients are joy to use and I must not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► using the ones that he's using I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► colloquy which is okay whatever Peters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► using must be much better than that yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► I got agree on that by the way like I IV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► I used colloquy I've also used textual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► and there's one more if use ones before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► I forget what it is and I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► describe any of them as okay yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► anyway so you can use IRC to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► slack and the reason that I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► this well there's a couple of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► but mostly the reason the the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► reason I don't do this is because one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► the better things about slack and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and if I don't love the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► use electron is that so much of their so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► much of the things you put into a slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► chat will like Auto expands so think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► about what's going on with iMessage when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► you put a tweet in or a link to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► website it will try to grab like a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► image or if there's a tweet with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► image it will grab the image and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► put it right in line in that iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► conversation will slack does the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► thing but it does it for all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► different data and it's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► nice I mean that genuinely and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► think I would really miss if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► have that and so like another example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► that is say if somebody pastes in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► animated gif or a URL to an animated gif [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► I would want to see that inline like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► part of what makes slack fun is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► kind of shucking and jiving back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► forth with gifts and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► and I think I would miss out on that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► it was just in a traditional IRC client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► and maybe I should try it just to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► but I don't know that's that's my two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► cents do you guys have anything to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► about that so I think in this contest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► between various applications let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► type words to other people even if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► various friends to slack in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► the IRC gateway to slack or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► I think the slack application on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► features and ease of use that's what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► comes down to like yes IRC is existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► forever and yes lots of IRC clients are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► good but slack offered a combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► functionality and application that gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► you a front-end for that functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► that is simply more attractive to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► people than all of the alternatives like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► it's not like slack one accidentally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► because it was bundled as part of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► monopolistic thing and you couldn't help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► but have slack forced down our throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► slack has lots of warts but it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► right balance of stuff it is a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► interesting easy to use application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► provides I think more fun and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► features focused on exactly what it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► in an IRC client and enough speed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► functionality that we all you know grit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► our teeth and deal with the electron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► weirdness and everything like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► because on balance it is better than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► those things otherwise we would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► all be using those things I was in tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► of IRC channels before slack claimed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► and most of them have been replaced by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► slack because that's what more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► want to use I can understand being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► situation where it's like yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► like the IRC you better sure but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► most people did not like IRC better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► didn't like IRC at all which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5335">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► slack is as successful as it is so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► think the reason we don't use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► because lack is better in general one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► Pablo Rodriguez writes in John I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► your tweet about the halting problem I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► would like to hear how you would explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► it so the context this was just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► of days ago and John jump in and cut me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► off whenever you're ready quote why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► this program taking so long to run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► quote big milestone today my son's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► infinite loop then he asked why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► programming courseware website he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► using can't just tell him there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► infinite loop instead of trying to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► the program as written I introduced him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► to the halting problem but he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► impressed so do you want to fill in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► other context or just jump into the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► is the halting problem so the context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► here is that I tried to show my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► both of my kids programming it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► early ages say if you're interested this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► is the thing I can show you how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► but of course me being a father they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► don't want to have anything to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► I know how to do so fine or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► I just laid off like they were into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► whatever they're into but my son is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► eighth grade now and he's looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► take he wants to take a computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► course in ninth grade which is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► that it's even offered I didn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► computer science courses in my high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► school yes they had computers but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► interested in taking that maybe just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► because his friends are interested it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► can't tell if he's really interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► it but he's trying to get into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► advanced level computer science class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► and he wants to have some experience so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► he's going through this online course or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► a thing with his friends right this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► all is all him right but I'm offering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► help him with it so that's why he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► doing any kind of programming stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► all and it's pretty late in the game and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► the grand scheme of things he's got like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► five year-olds who are writing iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and a lot of on stage at Apple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► and stuff like that and he's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► he's not a precocious programmer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► he's getting into it and so I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► to help them you know as laid-back way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► as possible because you don't help too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► much you know because like becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► uncool if dad's into it whatever and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► did write an infinite loop and he did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► asked me like the course where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► running his program for it and like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► just was like a spinner on the web babe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► and he's like why is it taking so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► I feel like it really is a milestone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5457">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► like the first time you do that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► don't understand what the hell's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► on in your program specifically he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► he was iterating over an array and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► inside the loop he was adding I am to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► the end of the array which is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► fun way to do your first infinite loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► as opposed to just like forgetting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► check for termination condition he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► iterating over listed he kept growing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► the same pace he was iterating over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► apologies to the courseware website for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► the for the infinite loop bomb my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► invoked on you as he opened up tab after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► tab and tried to run the same program it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► wasn't he didn't do a fork bomb but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► not he's not up at that process level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► yet so I did try to say actually there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► a general problem about this the halting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► problem and to finally get to answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► specific question how would you go about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► explaining it part of the knowledge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► wisdom I'm trying to impart on him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► part of this is not the specifics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► whatever he's doing about programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► which I figure will come on his own but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► how do you how do you how do programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► do this how do you figure stuff out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► early on I want to show them if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► a question about how something works the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► magic of the Internet you know after me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► saying you know up hill both ways how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► had to do it in my day so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► you can just type your question into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► Google and every like a Stack Overflow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► answer like you know how to concatenate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► strings you know in Python or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► like the answer is right there you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► have to ask me you don't have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► just type it into Google search box so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► for the halting problem rather than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► trying to explain this is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► halting problem is based on like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► memory of it from school you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► just like even just in broad strokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► just go to the Wikipedia page for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► halting problem and there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► paragraph at the top it does a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► good job of explaining more or less what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► the halting problem is in links to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► examples and so on and so forth but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► idea is that you shouldn't ask your dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► or ask someone next to you to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► what the halting problem is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► empowered because you have the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► internet at your fingertips to find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► the answer to this question quickly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► in a much more authoritative way than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► trying to you know recite it from memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► because if I was gonna recite it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► memory if I was gonna talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► halting problem on this show I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► did it when I saw his question I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5578">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► like oh I should go to the Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► page and and paste the first bit but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► like the lesson is you this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► those things that you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► backwards and forwards it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► sometimes to explain something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► no if you haven't like taught a course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► into five or six times so use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► use the tools that are available to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► don't rely on other people to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► things I haven't yet explained to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► about it Wikipedia being a tertiary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► source a little crap but here we go one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► there's only so much dad that kids can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► take in one dose all right thanks to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► and we'll see you next week now the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► is over to be y el asesor that's Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5618">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► less and a are Co AR m and T Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► all right so last week we what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► the Genesis the question I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► left in the show notes but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► talking about like cars and things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► suggested something that hopefully you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► guys have at least put two minutes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► thought into which I know Marko hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► and John maybe has oh no I put exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:58 ◼ ► two minutes of thought into it alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5698">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► well that works for me what car would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► you pick for your other hosts now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► rollin 0-0 nor did I clarify what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► mean by that is it the car you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► they would enjoy the most is it the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► you would most like to see them in is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► the car that you would get to just troll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► them and I didn't want to give you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► any sort of direction about any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► so I have answered the question in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► own way but I don't have to go first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► this time since I was very aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► first during ask ATP so which one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► would like to volunteer to tell each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► us what cars we should be driving I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► do it if you want all right Marko feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► free all right this is fairly easy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► Casey you would have the new m3 period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► well what's that your criteria is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► car would I most like to drive I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► yeah my criteria basically I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► we're assuming that like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► don't have to worry about how much these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► cars cost they're just being paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► somehow and that I guess get to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► which car you have then my rationale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► here is which car would you be most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► happy with you know what is the car that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► you should have and so I think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► m3 done and John a little bit harder I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► was kind of thinking maybe the m5 or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► he doesn't want to go necessary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► large because I know I know like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► parking situations a little bit tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► over there so I figured maybe you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► also go with something in the 3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► range maybe your dad's old 3-series that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► like like it maybe like the 335 of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► generation maybe something like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► probably just I think John I think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► answer is actually gonna be just the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► m5 so new m3 4kc new m5 for John why for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► me I understand your reasoning for KC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5817">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► what's your reasoning for me like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► are you even picking from BMWs for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► well I know you wouldn't actually enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► owning a Ferrari I know that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► Mercedes but I'm too young to know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► to select one I went with the brand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► I know how to use and how to pick from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► that gives you what you want which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► similar to eylem which is a nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► faster damn like you like those and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► know you're not gonna get see here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► problem though I know you like stick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► lot and that can't you can't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► in stick so maybe I try to find you an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► f10 generation in a stick which they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► probably made like three of those total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► but maybe that's the right answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► people didn't like those those stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► shifts they said that the manual was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► yeah see this it's it's picking for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► is very challenging picking for case is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► easy because I know what he wants it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► it's easy picking for you is is harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► but you know I don't think Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► makes any sticks either that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► want but I don't know no yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► know that but I think so I'm gonna stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► by my answer of the new m5 but with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► reservations I was proud of KC for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► recognizing what a terrible question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► this is saying but I don't care and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► not gonna clarify so let's just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► interpret the question or however that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► we want this question is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► because it just has no parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► whatsoever oh just to have a little fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► it's not useful anyway so if I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► pick first I'd have to pick the how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► interpret this question but I'd say how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► did you interpret the question I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► mostly interpreting as a car I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► that you would enjoy that you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► sure okay I like that interpret um for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► Casey I think I would go with a caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► slash Boxster whichever one comes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► the sunroof or and or convertible 718 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► whatever the hell it's called now or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► would actually maybe go with it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► naturally aspirated because I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► would really enjoy a stick-shift caiman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► because you get that open-air driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► experience I think it would be a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► fun dynamic driving experience than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► of your like regular car cars and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► just an all-around great car like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► super - super fast not too super loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► not as small and wimpy as a Miata which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► I think you would also enjoy by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► it's like it's like the big boy Miata so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► I like that choice I drove I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► told the story maybe on neutral I drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► a Boxster S early on in the life time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► the Boxster's this was circa 2005 maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► 2006 and I think the Box had only been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► out for a couple of years at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► I might have these dates wrong but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► and I got in that car expecting to hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► it oh it's a you know poor man's 911 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► it's just garbage this is gonna be crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► and I loved it I couldn't believe how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5996">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► much I loved it and that was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► ten plus years ago so I can only imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► I came in or you know whatever the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► Boxster came in like the epic a - the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► the natural have spread one right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► they change to 718 it's just an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► all-around balance it's fun a not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► ridiculous car and you wouldn't buy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► for yourself because you're like oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► gotta have a car that can put car seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► in it oh yeah but I feel like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► giant shoebox thing that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► going on for the whole family it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► be a nice compromise of like a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► small ish fun interesting fast enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► be cool open air kind of car nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► for Marco from Marco a little bit torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► on this my my go-to would say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► especially if I'm not allowed to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► from like future models because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► people coming out with cars that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► you would enjoy more than most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► picks because like everyone else all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► other tests the competitors are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► but they're not here yet so I can't pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► so I would go I would probably shop on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► the Mercedes range because I truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► continuous ADEs perhaps more than he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► enjoyed his m5 and so I probably go kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► of like what I was I'd pick up myself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► that preview show like it like an AMG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► II class if I could find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► balance of options and features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► satisfy and if not believe it or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► would probably look at howdy there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► another brand that Marco seems to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► not wanted to really consider for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► himself but I think there are models in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► that range that he would really enjoy so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► those would be my picks a mid-sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► Mercedes and if I can't find the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► set of options in car in model year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► would go Abby I think those are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► choices Marco thoughts it's reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► yeah I mean I haven't driven a Mercedes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► when I have driven those cars I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► been incredibly unimpressed with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► media and navigation systems but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► know I would give it a shot and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► thing is wouldn't buy for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► because you're all electric so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► all gas cars are now cars that Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► wouldn't buy for himself there yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► and he had the 1m right so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► if that was a thing that he still wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► he would have gone back to I well but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► hasn't so that's why I'm picking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► you know mid-sized cars I think those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► interpreted this as what do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► would be the best fit for my co-host and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► they may or may not buy this but my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► rule was I couldn't just say like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► well Marco just wants another Tesla so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► actually thought it was a little easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► to pick for John because the options I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:32 ◼ ► came up with were a new mazda6 which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6152">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► basically what you already have just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► different manufacturer and and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► always thought the mazda6 is with there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► was one really crummy generation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► is the generation after Aaron so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► was like late 2000s early early 2010's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► which was not attractive at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► every other monster six has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► pretty attractive in my eyes and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6176">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► loved Aaron's Mazda 6 who treated us so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► really really well and I think John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► would like that but the other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► III really think hatchbacks are dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► sorry Europeans I think would love a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► I really think you would love a GTI John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► I think that's definitely a car I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► but do you like leaving aside the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► that hatchbacks are stupid do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► it with a stick I think the main thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► the main thing I would enjoy about a GTI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► is the small ish size both in length and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► width but they're not as small as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► used to be and they're definitely not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► light as they used to be so I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► I would get that much enjoyment out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► well those were my picks for for John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► and obviously the you know the the clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► answer was the Ferrari which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► Marco said like that would be that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► actually probably make John more unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► than happy exactly if you again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6235">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► the question is so vague you could say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► Ferrari and and a mansion with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► heated garage to start in and say fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► Marco I actually found harder because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► really do think that the Tesla in in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► the current iteration of Marco and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► version 2017 or 2018 I think this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► the Model S is probably the perfect car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► for you Marco however if I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► choose that what would I choose and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► obvious answer is a brand new m5 I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► you would quite like that it gives you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► the all-wheel drive that you didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► last for the last iteration it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► quick as your Tesla or Daenerys makes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:33 ◼ ► difference if not quicker but then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6273">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► interesting choices and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► myself well what about a Prius Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► which is somewhat insulting and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► mean it to be but my parents have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► Prius Prime which I plug-in Prius and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► is for what it is thinking like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6291">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► would you if you're so bent on electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► then then what would I mean I guess the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► Chevy Volt maybe but that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► you're gonna get a much worse electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► now that's a bad idea and the Prius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► Prime is that perhaps the ugliest car on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► none of the Aztec is that function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► wasn't designed to be a punishment it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► was taking your insistence on having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► electric car in mind but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► that's a terribly good answer either I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► was just throwing it out there very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► active conversation and then I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► to myself well let me think about Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► less as a driver but more is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► let me think about Marcos personality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► and disposition Marcos tends to obsess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► over things and I have this quality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► me as well so I can recognize it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► others you know tends to obsess over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6356">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► things and get just like really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► deep into something and just I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► explore it to the to the most extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:05 ◼ ► depths and I will explore every avenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6365">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► of it I will know something front to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► back in and out left and right what kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► of car would Marco be able to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► sort of thing with you would need a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► that's like I don't know like an erector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► set or like a like a like a Lego set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► Marco should have a Wrangler because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► could have 17 different tops you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► have 17 different doors you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► six-speed if you want it and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► go rock crawling in in the little hills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► and mountains of New York and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► go driving off-road up you know up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► tips parents house you could do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► those things you could have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► winches it's imagine the fun you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► have Marco figuring out the exact right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► winch you should put on the front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► extraordinarily expensive winch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6415">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► weighs just 5 pounds left less than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► one that's half the cost but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► you're saving that weight and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► deciding exactly how big a gas can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► want to put on the rear bumper for when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► you're going off-road do you want five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► five gallons oh no no I think I want six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► this is like your perfect car it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► nothing but useless decisions that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► can throw oodles of money at this car is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► made for you you're gonna get a Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► with Doodles of money and useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► the Wrangler is like didn't you hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► discussion of head burns you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► with a hardtop but I know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► going to agree with this but I stand by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► this decision it this is what I get for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► all the mac pro talk I get it I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► I have speechless I you have done it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► commend you excellent job I know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► don't have any interest in a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6477">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► like I get that but if you just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► aside the fact you have no interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► the thing I want you to have interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► like there's so many ways you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► customize this you could have a soft top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► you could have a soft top that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► look kind of like a pickup you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► have a hardtop you could have a hardtop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► with a little convertible section you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► you could have onboard air inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► system you can have different spare tire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► set up you'll mean all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► things you could do to this car oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► word I think it's perfect for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► anyway the actual answer I have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► either an m5 or Hardy 63 AMG oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► like is it possible to make a custom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► configuration of the Jeep Wrangler that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► I would tolerate and I'm pretty sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► answer is no I don't I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► do it I challenge you to try I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► think it's possible I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► is what I really want is like a Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► equivalent that's a sedan that's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► go-fast again you know something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► you could mess with the tops and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6535">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► different wheels on any car but like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► really stand by that you would just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► wrapped around the axle but I'm wrapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► around the axle with all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► decisions you can make in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► different tweaks you can make like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► is why I think and I feel I get I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► guess that you and I would enjoy camping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► an equivalent amount and the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► is you've actually gone camping and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► have not but that's a similar thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► where I could see really either of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► projecting onto you well I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► either of us obsessing over well the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► aluminum spoon in fork and knife set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► ways one else but the titanium spoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► fork and knife set weighs a half an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► ounce and even though it's literally ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► times the cost that half an ounce in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► aggregate and aggregate adds up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► it's the same sort of thing right like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► ridiculous about camping equipment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► the same way I could see you or me going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► ridiculous with your Tinkertoys Wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► so you forgot to expand our silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► unconfined question to say okay Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6594">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► all of a sudden you live in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6597">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► of nowhere there are no paved roads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► your house and you have like hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► acres that you have to patrol to hunt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► for your own food then all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► mark was interested in a jeep wrangler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► because he has a reason you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► pretty good off-road easy to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► and out of four-wheel drive vehicle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► wander around his property with and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► we can you know get out when he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► get to the hospital fifty miles away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► can construct a scenario which Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:29 ◼ ► would want a Jeep Wrangler but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6629">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► scenario where he lives now is not it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► not even close do you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► you're not picking up what I'm putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► down on this one are you surprised by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:40 ◼ ► that no I'm not can we at least concede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6640">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► though can you at least concede that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► can see that the tweak enos of it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► you can just just dial it in just right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► I concede nothing come on I completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► disagree because it's tweaking a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► of things that I don't care about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6657">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► like no matter what you tweak about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► build I still don't want it and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:04 ◼ ► will like you can like it's like asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6664">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► me like how do I want to set the EQ for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► my day of Matthews Band I can take a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► of things look I can I love it I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► take a lot of the EQ that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► every band - 90 decibels that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► would set it I was proud of my response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► but that's okay stick with the m5 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/6687">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► I kind of feel like I should have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► left TIFF here and left the show because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► we had so much awesome feedback about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► how not only how great she was but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/5">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► unfortunately you guys are stuck with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/11">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► this week all right let's start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► some follow-up and Bradley Davis writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► in with regard to hard to hit up/down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► arrow keys on the new MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► shorter than the previous generation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/23">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► bottom really used to be taller than all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/25">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► the other rows now it's the same height [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► huge loss in my opinion especially as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► programmer who uses modifier keys more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/30">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► than your average person I didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/31">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► believe this so I measured it at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/34">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► and he is totally right did you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► both realize that in the right up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► the 2016-2017 on the MacBook Pros the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/40">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► like the spacebar and that whole row was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/43">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► taller than all the other rows of keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► thought it's plausible but it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► that much bigger so I measured it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/53">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► it's appreciably bigger you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► I didn't have I was using the side of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► credit card or whatever but you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/58">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► know get a ruler and see how much bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► it's but it's at least like 5% bigger I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► don't know if I believe let me get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► my behemoth of Oracle so while you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► get out things to measure the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► this is relevant is not so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/69">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► it's hard or actually but are we getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/70">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► out to measure I'm getting at a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/72">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► wow this look a little bit taller it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/76">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► so they're saying the reason it makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/79">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► difference is not because it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/82">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► hit the spacebar or the command key or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/84">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► anything but because the arrow keys oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► yeah it's a huge difference the up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► down our keys are jammed into a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► key space and I was complaining it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/91">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► felt that was a little bit harder to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/92">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► the up figure out the up and down arrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/93">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► though it's like the same layout it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/97">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► the same layout but the with taller keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/98">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► each half the top half and the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/101">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► half are bigger so it makes a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► particularly for the arrow keys yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/105">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► the height of the command key my 2015 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► 17 point 8 millimeters and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/108">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► height of the keys and the row above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/111">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► are only 15 point 2 that's surprising by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► the way only tangentially related if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► ever have a longing for the 17-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/118">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► MacBook Pro which I always thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/122">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► just hilariously stupid but I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► there are people that love it I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/126">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► need to hear from you I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/127">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► it's not for me anyway if you ever want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► to make your 15-inch feel like a 17 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► you know the days of the past spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► couple of months using exclusively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/136">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► importantly a 12-inch MacBook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► and then bust out your work 15-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► MacBook for the first time in two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► holy monkey that thing is enormous it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/148">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► just gigantic compared to the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► well I'll tell you what I mean like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/156">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► even you know during during my great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► laptop shuffle of 2016-2017 when I for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► while there owned the 13-inch MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/165">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► escape that that to me is a it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► great size and I and I do intend to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► generation whatever comes out but when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/173">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► was using that even after years of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/176">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► 15 inches a lot of the time I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► occasionally see a 15-inch out in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► world and it would it would look crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► to me even the brand-new like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/185">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► current generation ones that are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/187">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► you know a little more compact in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► old ones once you're used to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► size you're used to anything above it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► looks like a monster good but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► by comparison yeah it it's started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/197">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► striking the difference but that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► but today I did a half day at work from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► for the first time since January ah half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► congratulations yeah I was speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► work in giant laptops I you I had my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► 15-inch 2017 MacBook Pro at about 85% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► charge and I did a one-hour meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/219">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► where I projected during the meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► dream my whole battery the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► I watched it go down the whole medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► its WebEx the magic of WebEx like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► single one-hour meeting from 85 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► to basically you can no longer wear in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/237">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► your computer sorry off yeah because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► that's you say WebEx is I don't I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► never used WebEx but I I assume it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► pretty inefficient on the CPU right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► need to have a special episode where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/247">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► just make Marco use all software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/248">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► then I would imagine too that you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► that you were plugged in you said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/255">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► you're projecting I was so that dooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► the discrete GPU was forced on the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► time and so it was basically as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► were playing a game and like playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► CPU is probably being maxed out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/267">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► it sounds like the software is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/269">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► so yeah that's gonna be about one hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► battery life it was bad you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► the most popular advertisements that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/276">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► we've ever run on this show were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/278">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► ones that cards against Mandy did where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► we where John was forced to try a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► usually garbage toaster each week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/283">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► against humanity' folks are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/290">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► that making Marco use some piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► enterprise grade software once for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/294">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► once per ad that might be an even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/297">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► popular even better segment because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► would be magical you would probably quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► the show just from just from being near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► enterprise these sort of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► John and I have to deal with every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/311">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► yeah I would I would make a switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► patreon the trick is though that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► have to be forced to use them like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/317">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► they're mandated by the company or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► because you have to like teleconference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/321">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► so you need to use the only approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/323">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► teleconference offer that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/324">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► everybody has right that's the part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/325">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► its not just using the software it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/327">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► that you have two toasters kind of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/329">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► because like I maybe I'll be making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/330">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► toast anyway but there's no way Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► going to even be doing the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/334">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► these that's true programs you know are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► made to do let alone being forced to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► them are to be Kendall writes in if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► think the MacBooks arrowkey setup is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► check Dells recipe for annoyance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► there's a link included so imagine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► same arrow key setup that we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► brand-new MacBook Pros but just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► funsies let's put page up and page down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/355">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► in the dead space between so I'm sorry I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► guess it's not like a new MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► like the previous MacBook Pros and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► put a page up and page down in the dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► space to the left and right of the up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► arrow key so if you're looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/367">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► it's page up and then below that is left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/369">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► up and down page down and below that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/372">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► right it looks horrible I'm sure if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► get used to it it's convenient but oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/378">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► man it does not look it's not because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► like if you accidentally hit like see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/382">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► it's above the arrow keys right so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► you accidentally hit the wrong key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/386">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► trying to go for left you don't go more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► left you go page up which is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► unrelated to left but that's the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► that's near there so I would never want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► to like fumble tooth and and what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► didn't notice you fumble it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► so you hit left arrow you've done left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► one character or whatever but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► realize you're a page up from where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/405">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► were and it's just well it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► brightness the up and down arrow keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/410">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► what I'm assuming that's a modifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/411">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► thing but it'd be kind of funny if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► wasn't like every time gonna move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/414">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► cursor up you get a little brighter you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/416">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► can keep moving down the document but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/419">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► eventually you can't see it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► no this this like I feel like and part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► of the reason and I swear I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/427">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► make this all about apples dumb laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/428">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► keyboards but part of the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► Apple's keyboard design offenses bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► me so much is because we have it so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► keyboards don't have horrendous flaws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/438">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► and if you look over in the PC land like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/439">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► I mean you can get a ton of really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► PC desktop keyboards but once you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► into laptops especially a mass-market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► laptops especially small laptops you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► know like you can get the big gamer ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► that have the built-in mechanical key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/455">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► switches but like once you get down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► designs are all over the place and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► horrendous bad design choices about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► often as the worst of Apple you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► just we normally are not seeing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/470">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► from Apple land because we don't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► these things and so if we're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► spoiled that like when Apple does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► generation where they really stood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/478">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► really terrible keyboard like our heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/479">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► explode because we can't take it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/481">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► commonplace occurrence it's it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► time so now I have a question you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► there in mark oh you wouldn't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► but maybe John would are there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► rabid Dell fanboys on the way there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/495">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► like five ten years ago because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► how like there were the Apple fanboys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► like well us and then there were all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► people on the PC side they were all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► devout Dell people and I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► haven't run into any of them in years do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/508">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► they still exist I've never met someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► who's super into Dell we all know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/514">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► there are people who love ThinkPads I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/516">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► mean in case you're one of them oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/517">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► and let me think I mean obviously this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/520">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► this enthusiasm for the specialty brands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► like Alienware or Asus or even for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► know gaming focused stuff but Dell or HP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/527">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► I mean the closest I can get to that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/530">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► I think there was a lot of brand loyalty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/532">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► behind gateway 2000 yeah back when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/534">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► had the cow boxes and B and before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/536">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► was 2000 but that was my first computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/538">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► same but that but that was more of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► computer enthusiasts thing but if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► are Dell enthusiasts I have not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/545">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► across their path like my brother-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/546">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► for example was a huge Dale enthusiast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► as much as one can be up until a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/550">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► years ago and then he started buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► surfaces surface or things I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► enthusiastic about those ever since but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► and maybe that's what they did is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► the Dell people went and bought surfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► but I know I just had occurred to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/565">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► that I haven't seen anyone that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/566">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► really amped for Dell in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► and our final bit of follow up just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/571">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► small anecdote from the kitchen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► list household earlier tonight we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/576">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► Aaron was making dinner and I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/578">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► something with with Declan and oh I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► I I was walking around carrying Michaela [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► in a little carrier on my chest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► multitasking and playing breath of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/590">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► wild at the same time because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/591">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► started to pick that up again and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/593">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► Declan caught wind of what I was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► and he was like oh I want to watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/597">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► we don't really like giving Declan a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/598">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► whole ton of screen time if we can avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► it so what I decided to do was set a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► timer for myself and remind me not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/604">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► play Zelda for more than like five or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/608">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► ten minutes while Declan was watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/610">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► and I was just gonna put it away this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► a hell of a multitask yeah well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► I do what I can so so I asked the lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/615">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► in a tube to remind me to stop playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/618">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► Zelda in five minutes or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► that and I think the key is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/623">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► phrased it with remind which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/624">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► sure why I did that but that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/626">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► did and she got really really confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► and apparently there's like a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► different reminders versus timers setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► which makes sense but I'd never you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/636">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► experienced this in my week in a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/638">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► with you know a lady in a tube in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► house so anyway so I'm like going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► and forth with with the echo trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► get it to just set what amounts it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► like a five minute timer and I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► know this was my fault I phrased it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/651">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► what was funny was from the kitchen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/654">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► hear Aaron say something along the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/656">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► of oh come on Siri get your act together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► knowing full well I was talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/661">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► echo so here it was that she was using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/663">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► like she was she was calling the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► Siri as a not derogatory the sun--the or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/669">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► what I'm looking for but like as a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► a put-down you know like she was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► oh this is reminding me of how terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► interesting because Aaron is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► normal person in the list household by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/685">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► far margin and so it was interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/687">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► me to see her kind of associate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/690">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► equate a crummy voice experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► Siri because you know early on I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/696">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► briefly on Twitter earlier early on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/701">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► actually thought Siri was extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/703">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► impressive like like the first year - I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► thought Siri was really good and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/707">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► seemed like everyone else started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/709">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► assistance or make their own voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/712">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► assistance really a whole lot better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/715">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► ever since the first year or two when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/717">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► unimpressed as we've talked about on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/722">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► show more than once and as we've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/723">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► the echo for more and more things I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/726">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► been more more impressed by it so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/728">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► silly example of that we were listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► to vinyl we were listening to the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/732">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► thriller the terrible song the girl is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► mine came on which is a collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/736">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► between McCartney and Jackson and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/738">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► asked I asked the lady a tube something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/740">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► along the lines of how much older is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/743">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► Michael jack all right I'm sorry it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/745">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Paul McCartney the Michael Jackson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/747">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► she knew exactly what I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► about and gave me the answer and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/750">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► was like 16 years and I think I had even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► asked if I recall correctly I'd asked if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► Michael Jackson were alive today how old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► would he be and I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► stretching a bit like I was not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► surprised if the lady in the tube would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► not know what the crap I was asking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► couldn't tell you what it was offhand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/768">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► but she gave me an answer and that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► if I haven't tried it but if I ask Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► how old Michael Jackson be today I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/773">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► be very surprised if Siri had any darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/776">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► idea what I was talking about and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/778">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► fact that I don't think even think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/780">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► worth trying is itself an indication of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► my lack of confidence in Siri well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► next time you ask one of those questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/787">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► and you're and you're impressed or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/789">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► impressed by by happy echo does take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► your phone rest here the same thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/793">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► is it is kind of useful as commentators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► and enthusiasts in this field to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/797">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► and compare like you know how are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► things doing with the things that I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► that I think I should ask them because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► found whenever I do that I do find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► echo devices to have better answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► faster more of the time but they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► always get them and Siri doesn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► not get them you know it's just it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/816">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► series average is worse for me but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/818">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► the the Alexa devices are actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► perfect either they just have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/824">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► averages I do I do think they like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► back to the to the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/830">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► story though I just I wish that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► devices handled the the basic like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► basic PDA functions like the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► like all computing hardware and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► have tried to do since the beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► timers calendar like these are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► basic things that everything should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► able to do these days and the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/858">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► like you know and the echo devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► think do a pretty good job on a timer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► front that I think their timer support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/865">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► is excellent their alarms are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/866">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► just like timers they're excellent as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► iPhones and and you know I stuff as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► as we talked about with the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/874">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► long she's not having multiple timers or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► name time or things like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/877">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► that's still so far behind and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► seems like that like that stuff is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/880">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► that hard from a programming perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► it just seems it's it seems baffling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► me that anything any of these like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► voice assistant services or devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► nailing reminders timers alarms and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► your own calendar like those should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► easy and at least like calendar I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► kind of understand if any of them don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► because you have to like connect two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/908">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► different services and maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► they don't support the one you use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/911">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► you haven't set it up or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► like reminders should be local on device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► if they if they don't have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► same thing set up like that that's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/918">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► you know remind me at this time too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/919">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► do this like they just they should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/921">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► treat that as a timer and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► fact that anything that is that simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/924">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► to do doesn't work properly on any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► embarrassing I think we discussed the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► the past on this topic I'm still waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► for like forget about how far beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/935">TS</a>]
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00:16:03 ◼ ► is some some context awareness to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► the beginnings of a conversation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/966">TS</a>]
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00:16:12 ◼ ► are flexible about how we request the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/972">TS</a>]
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00:16:15 ◼ ► someone somewhere that it ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► single command single response there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/977">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► no semblance of a conversation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/980">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► most part except for in very rudimentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► things will ever ask for confirmation or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/984">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► something or sometimes cereal ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/986">TS</a>]
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00:16:42 ◼ ► the thing doesn't entirely forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the interaction you had three seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► ago when you make some other requests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► that it can figure out what you mean oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1008">TS</a>]
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00:16:52 ◼ ► hasn't forgotten the the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► context just basic conversation thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1014">TS</a>]
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00:17:03 ◼ ► step into this right if Apple still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► can't even do multiple timers by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1026">TS</a>]
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00:17:37 ◼ ► try to when I speak to the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1057">TS</a>]
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00:19:55 ◼ ► there's going to be an onboarding screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► for every single damn app on future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► versions of iOS we've seen a little of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► this trickle out over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► months and how do you pronounce this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► it's a gear may Rambo mr. Rambo mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► Rambo who is underscore inside on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► Twitter he first jumped into my radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► screen by being one of the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► was tag teaming with Steve trout and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► Smith during the home pod firmware I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► picking about or you know the hyenas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► went and and picked at the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► firmware but anyways he had tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► earlier Apple is busy adding onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► screens to every single iOS feature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► here's a screenshot of welcome to videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1239">TS</a>]
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00:20:47 ◼ ► if you please has been going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► other iOS features and finding similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► things I don't get this I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► it's necessarily bad even though in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► time I get asked to make an onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► screen I always fight tooth and nail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► avoid it but I mean for for novice users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► or new users I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► necessarily bad but what do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► think about this let's start with Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1269">TS</a>]
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00:21:14 ◼ ► an iOS update and I get these screens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► every app I try to use I'm annoyed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► them I I don't like them as a user from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► Apple's point of view though from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► the developer point of view like I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► developer and I've never had one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► these screens in any of my apps but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► kind of need them sometimes because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► you when you're updating your software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1296">TS</a>]
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00:21:43 ◼ ► people when things have changed in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1303">TS</a>]
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00:21:54 ◼ ► hard problem and so there have been lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1314">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► make a change and I'll you know mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► it on the Twitter account or I'll write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► a blog post about it or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1324">TS</a>]
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00:23:01 ◼ ► any other fail / does which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► some small percentage of users of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► devices pay attention when they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► announce a new feature in a keynote or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► on on apple.com or whatever else but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► most of their customers don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► and if even even the ones that do don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► all remember it by the time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► actually using these things so Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► the same problem that every other app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► developer has which is how do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► communicate changes to their app or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► do they communicate changes to their app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► which is a valid question to ask or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► they just kind of let the app stand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► its own and let people figure it out so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► this is Apple I think trying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► trying a new way of doing this so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► they've really not communicated changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► to the apps in the app stem cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► they've usually just made the changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► mention it in you know press events and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► stuff and that's it and people just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► of find them when they when they update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► and this is a different approach this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► them saying you know what let's put up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► these little helpful sheets the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► time you launch some of these apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1438">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► saying hey here's what's new in this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► in this version of iOS again I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► love these as a user but I see why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► do it it solves a problem and it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► problem nonetheless and it solves it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► not a great way but it might be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► least crappy way we've thought of so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► so I don't object very strongly I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► what they're trying to do it's annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► when I go to do something I have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► dismiss a screen instead of like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► the thing actual into that to do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► that's a one-time annoyance and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► overall it helps people you know find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► stuff I guess I'm okay with that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► part of I mean the screenshots here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► a phone right but they might do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► other things in the iPad I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► but part of the problem they're solving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► here is caused by the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► screens are just so darn small compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► personal computer world we've always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► I mean there's a long history in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► personal computer world the splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► remember those where they were just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► up a big box that puts the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► application and maybe some credits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► like some loading stuff for you to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► while your application takes a year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► day to launch right that transition on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► the desktop - well the general move away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► from loading screens if you see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► loading screen you know you're either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► using like Microsoft for an Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► product or you're like back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► somewhere most desktop applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► the Mac anyway have moved far far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► from any kind of splash screen right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► there is a trend that started you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► maybe a decade ago probably led by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► office or some other things to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► that screen I don't know what you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► it that's probably a name for it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► it shows a bunch of template's or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► the first-run experience like tutorial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► click through next next next thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► show you screen shots of the app it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► called ubi the out of box experience oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► my god it's not coming out of a box yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► but yeah so that kind of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► sometimes it doesn't even go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► sometimes like in an office it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► preference you have to say every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► launch you know Excel don't show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► thing with a bunch of Excel templates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► I just don't show me that just open it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► and like you know I can handle it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► application on the Mac especially a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► buddy most desktop platforms there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► place that you can go to learn more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► about what this application can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► you or like Apple guide in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► like there's some standard way to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► what can I do in this application I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► I see a bunch of menus up there but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► know help me out and help very some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► application application sometimes it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► just a limited thing that you can search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► but some applications have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► comprehensive help or even if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► Chuck you to a website I think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► main thing that these screens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► answering for new users who again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► don't have to be told about changes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► anything is what can I do in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► application so if we look at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► welcome to videos thing that in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► tweet here it's not really telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► what changes last version it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► where's the video app do because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► just launch it forget the screen what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► the first screen you see when you launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► videos especially if you actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► no videos that's always the problem on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► iOS like what do you show when there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► no stuff it's not really clear what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► would use this application for so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► you know browse your library I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► purchases and rentals you know watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► anytime anywhere play videos over Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► or cell you download to watch offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► and enjoy extras right I mean I would if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► I had to describe what you're doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► videos app I wouldn't have put that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► important piece of information people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► might not know oh there might be special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► features associated with something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► purchased and I can watch them here too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► and then it's so it's important to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► convey that basic information but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► unfortunately unlike the desktop say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► what you're like most people and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► yeah yeah like Marco said this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► generally an annoyance and if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► in the Apple's old you know human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► interface guidelines they'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► don't stop your user from doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► they set out to do by interrupting them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► with the thing that that you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► before you do what you want to do I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► to tell you something about the videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► that was like men oh yeah yeah I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► whatever you're trying to tell me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► don't care just let me get to the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► I want to do and you reflexively hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► continue button before you even register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► any words on the page right which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► expect that to happen a lot but unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► in a desktop app you know how do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► wondering okay something I can do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► videos that were what is this video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► happy even for you can't go to the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► menu and say show me that first run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► experience thing again like I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► know if there is a way to get this back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► once you've dismissed it other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► waiting for the next OS update or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► something or resetting your ear thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► iOS applications probably because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► screen is so small to say where do I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► to get help about this application or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► will there ever even be help within this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► application is it always something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► have to do elsewhere and then but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► not a thing that happens in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► the final bit that I think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► leaning on here is the wish you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► here people down at the bottom of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► Apple's new little logo for privacy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► shows two people shaking hands with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► other part of that is marketing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Apple wants to emphasize is one of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► competitive advantages which is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► every application that you launched this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► an Apple application we care about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► privacy we'll tell you exactly how we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► not using your information in a creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► way and and implicitly how everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► disclosure is using your information in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► a creepy way so you should use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► stuff that little logo I think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► trying to associate with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► information that you'll find linked from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► it is like when you see that logo that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Apple reminding you that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► probably is a company that doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► creepy things and tap here on the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► text to find out exactly how non creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► we are and the only way you get that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► people's faces is if you put that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► people's faces otherwise you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► past Apple has not been doing creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► things with your data but there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► way as a user of these applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► you know that because you launched them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► they just show whatever their initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► screen is and there's no indication in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► the application of exactly how creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► and so how Paul is relying on the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► that you trust them enough to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► them when they tell you that by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► we're not doing creepy stuff and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► want to remind you of that so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► similar mixed feelings to Marco about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► the screen and that I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► reasoning behind it but I but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► is it is difficult to for it to fulfill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► its purpose because it's probably so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► easy to dismiss quickly because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► no way to get it back after you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► that and because it interrupts the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► from doing what they wanted to doing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► I think most new users especially would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► benefit from not reflexively dismissing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► the screen from actually reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► three little bullet points so they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► why you would ever want to launch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► videos app or whatever now it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► taken to extremes here we have this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► follow-up create from a micro sergeant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► that shows that what's new in clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► yeah we're the only item is this splash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► screen literally just the splash screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► what do you want from us but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1858">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► got the privacy bring up the bottom it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► was that real I assumed that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► Photoshop yeah it's fake but it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► but like where does it where does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► end so similar to the trend of desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► applications all opening up with like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► template library create a new document [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► pick from one of these 17 templates like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► just no just get out of my face right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► this type of thing can be annoying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► if Apple does it it may encourage other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► people to do it and if every new iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► application you launched put one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► these screens up it really amplifies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► the you are stopping me from doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► I'm trying to do factor and it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► people even more quick on the draw to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► reflexively dismiss these things and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► further emphasizes the fact that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► do reflexively dismiss it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► probably no standard way to get it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► so I think this is a difficult problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► that Apple is solving in a not-so-great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► way but I do understand why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► doing it yeah I mean like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► hard you know as it's like it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► hard to figure out how to communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► change like this in your app but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► like yeah I think you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► mentioned initially and what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► kind of confirmed and clarified for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► is like I think the biggest reason why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► don't like these things is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► almost never a good time when I see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► it's like no I didn't come here to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► something like you know it's it - I came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► here doing a task that I don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► features that you did for me and get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► get through your marking language like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► the problem is like you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► what percentage of the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► people are first seen this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► christendom breeze right by it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► people have time we are so conditioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► to dismiss those screens that were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► going to remember you know things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► are on it you know it's one of the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► of the most sad realities of interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► design but this has been true forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► and will always be true is that nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► reads anything like anything you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► explaining by just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► bullet points a text nobody will read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► the very small handful to do won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► remember it and so explaining things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► with text is just not very effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► should never rely on that ultimately the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► best way to solve the problem of how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► you communicate changes in your app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► with the design of the app itself this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► isn't always possible this isn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► practical but ideally the changes should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► either be like not worth mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► because the user doesn't care if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► like oh we under the hood change it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► great dude do the other changes makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► you happy it makes your users happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► like things are faster or don't crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► whatever else great don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► mention that or it's like new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► in which case like those will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► themselves apparent in the interface as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► the user is using them it's hard these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► days not only is it hard on touchscreens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► because as you mentioned like they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► small that makes it hard for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► features to be visible because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► have space on the screen to have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► toolbar button for everything the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2036">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► can do but also modern design trends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► such that you try to hide as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► possible in the main interface you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► to make the main interface like as empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► as possible everything looks super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► sparse and open the way Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► phrase that is maximize your content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► they wouldn't say you're hiding things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► they would say you're allowing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► content they've said with so many it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► many sessions the content maximizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► content not minimizing UI but in effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► you are hiding everything else if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► putting the content in front and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► think gets to what you were saying with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► you you know this is not a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► application to be telling me about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► features right that's the beauty of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► help menu when the user seeks out an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► item in the help menu that is their task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► at that point they're trying to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► more about the application that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► exactly the time you should tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► more but there is no standardized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► interface element in iOS for almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► anything like that it's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► beauty of iOS that each application gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► the entire screen back from the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► testing model and maximizing the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► all those are good trends but the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► of really any standardized interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► element aside from the status bar which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► at least we know you can use to scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► to the top most of the time really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► hurt discoverability if there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► kind of standard help widget that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► the same across all apps that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► the perfect place to stash this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► information about your application at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► that moment but it in the absence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► that even if even if you have a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► help widget in your app no one knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► what it means or where it is or what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► does because it's not standardized right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► and so we're forced to throw this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► people's faces otherwise they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► literally never see it oh yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► you know and part of that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► a lot of a lot of I don't know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► who haven't been around this stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► long you know the kids these days or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► lot of a lot of assumptions are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► about current design trends that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► project as universal design rules that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► have always and will always be the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► and and the fact is right now we are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► you know I'd say probably the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► three-quarters point of a trend of ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► minimalism everywhere and the fact is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► that's just a style that's it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► been in fact it's been in style for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► little while we have a little more of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► to go probably that isn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► the only or best way to design apps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► lot of the minimalism of iOS apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► interfaces and getting out of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► for the content was born of limitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► of the original iPhone hardware being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► really small screen but as phones have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► gotten significantly bigger as also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► we've added things like iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► possibly you know Mac through Bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► layers this fall we hope you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► we've added larger screens and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► capability and everything the ultra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► minimalist thing doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► work or doesn't carry over as well also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► the software like iOS started from zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► with software I started with like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► software gonna be one point out here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► so no there weren't a lot of features in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► most apps for a long time and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► still aren't on iOS apps but many apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► now are pushing those boundaries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► have developed over the last decade into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► very capable apps and the conventions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► everything design while they still look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► very nice they suffer greatly from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► discoverability and an affordances of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► like you know showing people what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► possible or how to how to use things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► and this is again this is just a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► trend of hide everything that won't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► forever you know and and I honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► think it's almost over because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► it's it's many usability flaws are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► really piling up and it's resulting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► people having to do bad hacks like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► splash screens you know like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► those are terrible hacks you know like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► frequently tell the story about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► when I first made the magazine app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► thought it would be a good design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► principle to not need a settings screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► and so I didn't have 11.0 and I tried I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► tried to get it I was just okay there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► no settings anywhere or there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► settings screen right there anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► let me just design the app to not need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► settings screen wouldn't that be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► wouldn't that be clean and modern and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► everything and the fact is to not have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► settings screen I had to jump through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► hoops and the hoops I jumped through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► were worse than just having a setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► screen and this is a very important like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► you know lesson that I learned at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► time and a metaphor that had that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► think is widely applicable by the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► still haven't listened every time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► I have a stoop I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► design problem in overcast right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► that I need to revert on the Now Playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► screen just guess how many emails I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► per day from people asking how to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► the speed it's I have a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► problem that I need to redesign there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► but in our efforts to make things clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► and simple and minimal usability suffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► big time and I think we're finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► starting to realize that but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► an open question of how we are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► solve that going forward I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► not just a design problem as obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► there's the obvious design thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► Apple isn't emphasizing that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► make make your content give it give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► focus make it the primary thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► it's the thing that people care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► most people use all the features yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► I'm mostly good but especially on larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► iOS devices which may include phones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► know they're getting bigger at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► they'll sell the SE but especially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► iPads potentially even larger things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► part of it is up to the OS to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► standardized elements for things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► a set of standardized elements you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► for a 3.5 inch phone screen is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► elements that you need to make a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► great application on a 12 point 9 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► iPad and getting back to the help menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► not that I'm saying that they should add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► a menu bar but if you leave it up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► even if this trend the design trend ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► and everybody stops doing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► minimal and they start adding just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► toolbars and palettes everywhere if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► there is no standardization for that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► application will be wildly different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► users still won't know where to go for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► common functions like finding the help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► or any kind of guide or and you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► trend towards that or whatever may be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► think one of the poster children for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► this was I forget what version it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► but a couple of releases ago apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► photos application that would launch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► it would show like a highlight or mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► up with things circled in yellow pen all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► over the screen with one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► overlays the worst I was at photos I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► know iMovie did that but it might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► been lots of applications do this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► because yeah they're they're not they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► not going super minimal because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► those applications particularly Apple in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► that I'm thinking of that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► remember the chatroom will tell me in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► second they have tons of controls on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► screen there are a lot of buttons maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► the minimalism is like a why aren't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► buttons labeled they're all icons which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► is why they're so damn inscrutable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► they were everywhere there was like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► of them on the screen and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► would circle them all with pen and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► use this for this use this for this use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► this for this use this for this use it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► like no one's ever gonna remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► no one's ever gonna read that no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► ever gonna be able to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► bring it back and the reason you need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► is because without that overlay nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► knows what any of those icons do because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► there is no standardization for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► toolbars for common functionality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► it's somewhat like the Mac had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► Cambrian explosion of applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► iOS did because a lot of the conventions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► let's say in graphics applications on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► the Mac it was like seeded by a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► Paint and evolved slowly through like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► super paint and the Adobe applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► to establish over the course of several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► important formative years the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► applications if you see a little Mickey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► everyone knows that's like the grabber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► thing if you see a paint bucket with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► paint pouring out of it everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► what that does like I'm so glad that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► know that those those widgets have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► know whoever owned the copyright on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► first ones those didn't aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► pursue it and say you can't use a paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► bucket in your application because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► wasn't Adobe who did it first it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► Apple and you know so anyway there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► applications that even if you use a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► graphics app you know where to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► things but that's application level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► beyond that the help menu is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► that Apple defines as the offender to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► say there is a menu bar the main user in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► this order the help system in this era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► of the Mac is this shape and in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► position and here's what you can expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► to find on it or the menu bar itself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► fact that a menu bar exists applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► didn't decide that the OS decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► again not saying that iOS needs a menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► bar but that the combination of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► and the applications develop a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► interface language that means when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► complicated application you have a hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► in hell of knowing how the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► application works because hopefully it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► works in some way similar to the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► one and the the model of iOS where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► application owns the entire screen makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► it very difficult to have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► consistency yeah maybe the buttons look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► the same and yeah maybe the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► pop-up dialog things look the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► stuff but the application itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► almost like games where they can design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► their own interface entirely and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► leads us down the path of Apple being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► you know football style telestrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► interface that no one's ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► remember and then having a thing go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► and having you look at a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► hieroglyphics and go so I guess I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► just tap things randomly and see is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► crop tool is this the crop tool is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► I mean any crop tool they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► steal the icon from from the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► applications but even that varies a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► so I think iOS has a long way to go even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► once we get over the design trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► minimalism to have to realize the dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► of the Mac that the the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► consistency allows you to understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► a new application would work by reusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► knowledge about a previous application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► I mean I I'm not even sure that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► gonna have that again because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► companies and platforms these days are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► just so much bigger than they used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► like you know we Apple is a huge company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► now way bigger than even you know five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► ten years ago when when they were doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► a lot of these like initial iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► designs and everything they're way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► bigger now there are way more apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► divisions and services and apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► platforms and everything else like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► know the Apple watch looks nothing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► the rest of us Apple TV is a total is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► whole different ballgame as well even on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► iOS there there's tons of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► design languages like you have Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► music you have maps you have some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► older stuff that wasn't really that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► still kind of very iOS 70 like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► there's all these different designs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► being followed now I'm not sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► modern Apple that that it's realistic to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► expect design coherency from them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► they're just too big there's too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► things and and I think if there was any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► chance of design coherency it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► happen now when design at Apple runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► Apple like there is no more powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► department in Apple right now than in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► the design department they and they're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► company that heavily prioritizes design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► it like heavily you know funds it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► allocations of time and resources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► everything else like if anybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► have a coherent design right now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► Apple and they don't I think the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► set is just too big now I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► we're ever gonna see that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► coherence like what we used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► again instead it's gonna be mostly left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► up to I think third parties to slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► evolve standards over over time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► just kind of become you know the de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► facto standards and that's that's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► Messier and slower process but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► that's that's kind of what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► happen in reality I feel like the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► department lately has not added any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► new sort of standardized controls or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► standard you know standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► elements they've mostly just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► dressing up the ones that are there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► the same ones doesn't have a menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► but just to give an example I don't mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► out what tell him at the class name as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► UI navigation controller the thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► the right-left thing with the back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► done button I'm like that's been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► since iOS since since iPhone OS 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► iPhone OS firmware 1.0 like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► that you have at the top of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► you had you know left-to-right sliding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► transition interface they used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► the little arrow shape on it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► that was a standard interface element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► that you know it was the same way any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► standard interface element works hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► don't have to write this GUI widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► we've actually written it for you and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► provides some important functionality so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► now you don't have to worry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► part of application if you decide you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► master/detail view and you and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► into the right and out to the left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► you want to have cancel and done buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► or slightly like we've provided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► control for you so don't bother writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► it and by providing it for you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► standardized the interface so think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► all the applications from the day one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► the iPhone that worked that way where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► the top part of the screen was for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► to go back and forth and there was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► and cancel buttons and arrows and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► like that that's a standard element that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► interface element is still with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► despite the fact on top of our phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► it's like a mile and a half away now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► and in the iOS 7 days they've jammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► other crap up there like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► arrow thing which is always look super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► weird from a aesthetic point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► that little tiny you know go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► Safari we're just super convenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► functionality wise but it shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► didn't really anything but still that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► one interface element does provide an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► important degree of consistency across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► all applications not just apples because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► it generally does look the same and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► generally does kind of work the same and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► people know to look and look up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► for stuff but again if there had really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► been design innovation design being how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► it works and not just how it looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► some point you have to rethink the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► the top of the phone is really far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► and at some point you have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► about are there other standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► elements that are appropriate and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► age of twelve point nine inch iPads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► we should introduce standard removable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► palettes or tab interfaces like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► Safari on the iPad or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► just any kind of standard interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► element that other applications can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► that is appropriate for the modern iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► usage the more of those they can produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► including perhaps standard icons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► widgets for things like help or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► a quick way to get to settings for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► application from within an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► if they don't want to give up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► whole idea of settings being a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► app which I think it's also a dinosaur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► of a bygone era of much less RAM usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► and also the whole you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► want anything in our application so hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► application that never worked by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► rethought about the design of iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2937">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► almost none of it has to do with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► applications look like I feel like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► need we need more we need more help from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► the the OS and the foundational classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► functionality on iOS applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► think that's mostly true I think to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► back a step though part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► that I think we haven't standardized on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► anyone like design or anyone like a set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► of iconography is because it didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► long in my recollection starting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► know with iPhone OS 2 it wasn't too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► after that that it became kind of blase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► 2 or maybe that's not the word I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► looking for but kind of gross to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► vanilla UI kit for most of your app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► I think that there's plenty of vanilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► UI kit controls in any app but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► looking at overcast is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► there's plenty of Anila UI kit there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► so much of it is hidden in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► different custom controls I mean look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the card interface Marco that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2998">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► rolling for a long time like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► completely and utterly custom and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► what you said on the show and from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► I've heard elsewhere you know you bent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► over backwards to do it and we can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► a different discussion another time as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► to whether or not that was wise but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► fact of the matter that I'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► toward is that for better or worse one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► way or another in order to stand out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► this ever more crowded App Store you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► need to have a more and more custom UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► or at least in most cases that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► case I'm sure you could well actually me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► to death on this one but it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► that your average consumer be it design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► minded or otherwise tends to like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► that are very opinionated and somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► different I mean look at tweet bot is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► great example of that I wouldn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► that I see a whole lot of vanilla UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► Canton tweet bot but I would say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► looks like it belongs on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► personality and I would say the same of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► overcast actually and so I think because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► everyone was branching out in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► creating their own personal or perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► company-wide you know conventions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► things I think that may be why we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► directions and that kind of bums me out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► partially because I'm really bad at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► customizing you like it to do weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► things like Marco does but uh but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► it's understandable nevertheless because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► in this evermore crowded space you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► to do something to stand out well you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► need to be differentiated but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► separate from do you need to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► super custom controls like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► that's part of the skill of making an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► application in any platform is use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► standard controls but add some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► branding and flair to them and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► think every application also needs at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► least one or two unique interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► advances in the sort of quote/unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► standard UI have very often come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► third parties like the first you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► just look at pull-to-refresh for crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► out loud on iOS but I was gonna do is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► bunch of old Mac examples granted Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► paint seeded a lot of the the DNA of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► graphic applications across all GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► platforms but subsequent applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► like you know illustrator and super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► paint and and Photoshop especially had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► informed the whole rest of the the genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► um and in the best case new interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► whatever you know should eventually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► co-opted by the OS and become standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► control so I'm not saying Apple has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► do it all but I think you can get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► with having an application that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► hundred percent standard controls with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► little bit of flair plus one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► things that totally don't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► standard controls even if they are under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► the covers that they give you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► app to have personality right like tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► bot has a personality and you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► have some some kind of differentiating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► thing like oh this is this feature the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► only this application has this UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► element is fun to use flicking the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► away or whatever and if that's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► a couple years down the line Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► should adapt the iOS interface say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► here's a way you can pop up sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► thing on the screen and people can flick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► it away in a like physics-based you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► if so many applications do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► should be a standard type thing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► that should be the feedback cycle I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► don't think you need to go even on iOS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► don't think you need to go whole hog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► say everything I do is custom it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► basically a game like every one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► controls awesome because that's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► said it's too much differentiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► because maybe like people still do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► that but you're in for a world of hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► and I think it's not necessary you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► want people to notice you but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► especially with the flexibility Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► controls you can really customize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► to look almost nothing like what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► what you would think they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► generic things like the collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► abused and stuff where you have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► control over exactly what is drawn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► collection view into something that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► longer resembles a collection view at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► all with some cleverness right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► think I think app developers have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► freedom to be differentiable staying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:05 ◼ ► standard controls but I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3245">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► see what's popular see what's works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► innovations to give a better pallet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► tools in the end the interface builder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► sense even if nobody uses that in iOS - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► well I don't know it's popular these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► days with the kids but - to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► say I'm gonna make the next great iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► graphics application of which there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► many and but I you know I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► have to invent everything from all cloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► I want to you know I want Apple to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► me here by saying oh are you gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► floating palettes in your graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► application but we have a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► control for that because everyone seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► to be making their own all the way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► to all the little experiments speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► of Steve trout and Smith earlier of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► floating with quote/unquote Windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► whatever stuff like that if it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► from a third-party application first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► its popular fine but that's exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► type of stuff that Apple should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► looking into trying to figure out a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► sophisticated bucket of parts for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► to build their fancy iOS applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► out of yeah and I think it's it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► worth pointing out like the timing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► talking about this now I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► interesting because the iPhone 10 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► how things in iOS should be designed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► know again it's this isn't news I'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► boy I'll be quick but like we have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► like culminated this this this trend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► that we've been going on for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► while now with the plus phones we're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► a lot of iOS interfaces have critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► functions and buttons and things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► top area of the screen which is now very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► hard to reach for a lot of people a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► of the time on a lot of devices and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► this is like a fundamental thing that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► much of iOS design has been based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► putting important controls in those top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► corners and now that should be rethought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► I'm sure Apple is feeling this too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► I'm sure they are thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► and are hopefully working on this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► this is also a time where they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► lot of software quality problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► they have to like slow down on the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► move forward aggressively side of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► to let the quality catch up really we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► heard rumblings here and there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► maybe there was some kind of iOS 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► redesign plan but then maybe that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► pushed to next year and next version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► iOS because of the of the quality push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► and so assuming that either it's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► this year or next year I do expect Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► redesign to better accommodate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► iPhone 10 not to mention that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► think you should need to update the look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► and feel of it to just be you know fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► and and new and no longer iOS 7 stale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► but I do expect that to happen soon I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► hope it does and even if even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► next year for quality reasons that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► I really would love to see what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► has in mind for a coherent direction to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► bring iOS in now I hope we get that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► don't think it's a sure thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► will ever get that because of what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► said earlier but I hope we get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► whether it's this year next and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► look forward to seeing what they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► the direction is I hope it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► for the iPhone 10 because I think as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► because things really are farther away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► from your thumb they ever have been it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► not like the plus ones have been around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► for a while but I feel like the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► needs it more because I do see a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► people I mean a lot of us gravitations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► use with the pencil but I see a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► increasingly sophisticated applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► on the iPad and they all still look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► games to me in terms of the interface I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► see very little consistency among them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► everybody having to roll their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► controls for everything which increases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► the barrier to entry for good graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► applications like I just think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► something like acorn which I'm sure has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► some custom interface elements but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► general it's using app kit to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► fullest effect taking advantage of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► the controls Apple gives to design an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► interface doesn't look like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► graphics application interfaces but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► looks Mac like you know how it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► to work and the fact that I mean both on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► the front end on the back end that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► frameworks that apple provides for UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► and for image processing itself allows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► one-person software shop to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► graphics application that is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► like a mini Photoshop that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► platform advantage that Apple should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► selling come develop on our platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► look what a single person can do it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► unbelievable on on the iPad I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► maybe it's the only three people teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► but I feel like it just looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► hell of a lot of work to make a top-tier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► iPad graphics application and that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► you're done you have unless you exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► ape your competitors interface you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRNPods/3533">TS</a>]
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