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262: A Clear Path to Okayness

 

00:00:00   John how are you let's lighten the mood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   how's things going with you John I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   tired I'm exhausted you guys are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   any more exhaustion I seem to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5">TS</a>]

00:00:10   become the authority on not seeing easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/10">TS</a>]

00:00:14   solutions to my problems so if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:18   didn't tell you about our sink now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   have heard about our sink and I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   have used it for years literally years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   but that's not the issue um I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   working on an app that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28   particularly want to talk about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/28">TS</a>]

00:00:29   specifics on the show but suffice to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/29">TS</a>]

00:00:32   it relates to health kit which already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/32">TS</a>]

00:00:34   means I'm kind of treading on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/34">TS</a>]

00:00:35   underscores waters actually but whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   so I asked him you know hey is there any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/37">TS</a>]

00:00:41   way to export health kit data and bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:45   it into the simulator because I prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   to do most of my development against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/47">TS</a>]

00:00:48   simulator because it's quicker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/48">TS</a>]

00:00:49   easier so I need a whole bunch of health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   get data on on the simulator and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   like man is there any way to export it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55   then like important places there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   somewhere on the file system or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58   something like that that I can do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   and in in the most polite way which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/60">TS</a>]

00:01:03   underscores you know mo in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   polite way he said to me these are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   words mind you you freaking idiot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   can get on iCloud on the simulator just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   join your accounts on iCloud I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   know you could do that you'll see but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   did know that you could do that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   didn't put two and two together but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/79">TS</a>]

00:01:20   is where it gets real bad and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21   shouldn't share this publicly but here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   am he said I said to him but underscore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/82">TS</a>]

00:01:26   here's the thing I want to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   like save things to health kit but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   don't want them to actually save too you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   know like the canonical instance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   health kids so in other words if I save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   I don't know like in at like a workout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   which is not actually what this app does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   but for the sake of conversation I save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42   a workout I don't want it to go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   my actual canonical health kit I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48   know identity for lack of a better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   a repository I want that to kind of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   live alone on the simulator so without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   batting an eye underscore says so sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   out of iCloud like two weeks away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/117">TS</a>]

00:02:05   having an arm full of Apple watches like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   underscore does you know this is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/127">TS</a>]

00:02:11   easy solution why do I not see these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   things I maybe I'm just a really crummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   developer and I don't realize it but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   golly like I don't think I'm an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/138">TS</a>]

00:02:19   exceptionally great developer but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20   didn't think I was that bad of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   developer why don't why don't I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   these things why can't I why can't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:25   recognize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/145">TS</a>]

00:02:26   so everyone hire KC for your development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   that's the trick that's the ticket right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   there you really do a good job at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35   selling yourself this is why I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   want to this is why I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38   an independent consultant I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   you you keep I heard your episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   analog it was very good last episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   analog where Mike talk to you through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   lot of this stuff which I highly suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:48   anyway everybody listen to just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   it's a good show to begin with but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:52   if you're interested in our arc of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   trying to convince Casey to you know go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/174">TS</a>]

00:02:56   out on his own somehow it was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   good episode and and and I think and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   even got we got this like two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   word email that it does seem like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/182">TS</a>]

00:03:07   heart is not really in consulting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/187">TS</a>]

00:03:08   it does seem like you don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   to do it right and that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/190">TS</a>]

00:03:11   that's the thing then you know fine I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   not gonna I'm not gonna push that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/194">TS</a>]

00:03:15   anymore because to do anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   you have to you have to be a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   into it then than what you are so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   what I'm not gonna happen so okay I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   stop pushing that button I do however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   think it's hilarious that you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   trying to trade in these like these ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   that you can immediately get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/210">TS</a>]

00:03:31   money for things that take like years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   build up to a livable wage like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   I'm gonna start a YouTube app and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   small indie apps or YouTube channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/218">TS</a>]

00:03:42   rather excuse me yeah that's indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43   success right there guaranteed everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46   is making money hand over fist in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   App Store on YouTube there's no way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   this to be for this to be a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   right here's what you do you get five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   envelopes in each one you put $5 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   mail the top two to these people then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   you mail it a whole buncha letter so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/238">TS</a>]

00:03:59   it's like it's like this like like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/239">TS</a>]

00:04:03   you started doing these things ten years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   ago you might now have enough to live on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   exactly these are slow slow buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   slow like it takes a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   that's so true I don't know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17   I have been waffling about this Erin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   I have been talking a lot about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   and I I not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   in an angry way like I'm not upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/263">TS</a>]

00:04:24   it at all but I'm I I don't want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   about anymore at this particular moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   because I feel like all I've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   stressing about it for the last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/269">TS</a>]

00:04:30   and a half but I have such conflicted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   and mixed thoughts that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   what to do and it's like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   think your your assessment is accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   that the idea of just $10.99 in my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   through life that is to say being an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   independent consultant like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   ways in which I think that would be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/288">TS</a>]

00:04:49   like let's say for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   discussion I can I can wave my magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52   wand and I can have you give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:56   I don't know between 5 and 10 hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/296">TS</a>]

00:04:57   work a week I can have underscore give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   me 5 to 10 hours of work a week I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   have some of my other independent you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   know app developers like you know jelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   who works on gift-wrapped which if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06   believe in animated gifs at all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   should have or you know Curtis who works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   on slopes as another example which if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   you believe in skiing or snowboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/312">TS</a>]

00:05:13   you should have that app you know if any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   of these people if all of you guys an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   underscore of course you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   guys could each you know shave off 5 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   10 hours each then then I could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   make a living but the idea of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   going out and chasing random people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   work and random businesses for work it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:29   just just the thought of is it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   extremely tiring and that's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34   that that's bad or wrong or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/334">TS</a>]

00:05:36   else it's just I don't see your point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   Marco I don't think my heart is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   chasing chasing work from random people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   and and I mean that in a nasty way just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   in in in an observational way so well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   do wonder though I think the the part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   that of the 2,000 word email that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   that was mostly a little bit off-putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   but the part of it I thought was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   interesting and potentially a good path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   to consider is the part where the author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   says that you know clearly your heart's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   not in consulting which I think was true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   but that maybe you should consider being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:09   like the Swift person like yes and who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   has been a lot of instructional Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   content like you know granted that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   very crowded market there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17   people who have been doing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   instructional Swift content for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   but you also already have an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   audience of developers which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   good like that's that's a pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   advantage to start with and and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/388">TS</a>]

00:06:30   do have a bit of an unfair advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31   there which you can used you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34   your advantage the other thing I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/394">TS</a>]

00:06:35   say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   if it when when talking about like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   know who you could get consulting work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   from don't do like me and underscore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/400">TS</a>]

00:06:44   Curtis like we're all indie developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   working on indie budgets like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   know it's like we're the worst people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   have trying to get consulting work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   because we can barely afford employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   like I think Margaret has pre fired you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   I thought I might give him some hours if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   he did this but like but you know I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   in a position that most in these are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/422">TS</a>]

00:07:03   and and even I you know I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   afford you full time although okay can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08   just say publicly that it may be worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/428">TS</a>]

00:07:12   maybe not the money but worth the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   experience for both of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   to watch me have to slum it an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   objective-c land and watch you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   slum it and deal with an employee like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:21   that would be hilarious on many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/441">TS</a>]

00:07:24   different levels the really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   reality show it would be the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/446">TS</a>]

00:07:30   interesting but perhaps most funny cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   against humanity' to sponsor yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   but seriously like you don't let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38   speak for you but I have the feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   like even with me and I like to think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   get a little bit of special privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/462">TS</a>]

00:07:43   here you have no interest in having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   anyone as like an employee in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   capacity and although I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   real angst against Objective C I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   let's say I feel like it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   old and a little bit tired I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   what could be said for all of us right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   well that that's fair you do bad you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/479">TS</a>]

00:08:05   like you you send me off to work on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06   bug fix and I like rewrite an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   class and Swift and try to pass that by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   I wouldn't do that for several different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11   reasons but just was take a discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   like I write this entire class I rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14   the entire class and Swift like here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   go here you go Marco this is good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   you just look at this not like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   I could just settle all this money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22   fire by making you write unit tests well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   I don't know if it on fire I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   walked into that you bastard you're more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/507">TS</a>]

00:08:32   right than you are wrong you big jerk we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/512">TS</a>]

00:08:36   should get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   slash continue with talking about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   Siri is all up in front of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   Daniel jelq it's business so who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   added this the show notes can tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   what's going on I added the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   here's the first account I read of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   think a story that I've heard from a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   of people now as he relates to home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   it's that you've got this thing in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/533">TS</a>]

00:08:56   house and unfortunately it has the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/536">TS</a>]

00:08:59   trigger phrase as a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   things that you might also have in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   house so once you get past the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   being amazed that it can hear you over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   the odd music or whatever and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   happen to be in your house and you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   to some device that may or may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   your home pod and your home pod decides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/553">TS</a>]

00:09:16   oh I can totally hear you and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   take this for you hang on I got it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   Apple has this thing where if multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   devices are around and you say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   trigger word they negotiate amongst each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   other to figure out who's gonna answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/567">TS</a>]

00:09:28   but home pod will grab a request that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/568">TS</a>]

00:09:33   can't handle just to tell you that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   can't do that all right so that it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   have worked if it was on your phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   home pods grabs it maybe because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   better microphones or because it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   takes priority or whatever and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   grabs it and says oh yeah no I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   can't do that sorry about that so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   not that's not nice behavior and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   of people have complained about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53   it's kind of another situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   apples had a few of these where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   their best customers are more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/597">TS</a>]

00:10:02   run into these complex problems right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   Apple wants you to have a household of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   Apple devices you got Macs and iPads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   phones and everybody should have one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   they should be all over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   yet if you do that you run into all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   situations in which apple doesn't handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   a houseful of devices we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   before about the you know families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   sharing you know iCloud and photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/619">TS</a>]

00:10:22   accounts you know the before the family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   plans for iCloud storage existed before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   was a while before Siri could understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   different people and you had to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/630">TS</a>]

00:10:31   training and everything so now can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   distinguish voices well here's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34   growing pane of the multi Apple device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:38   lifestyle if you've got multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   in your house listening for the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/640">TS</a>]

00:10:41   trigger phrase it's great that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42   didn't go she ate with each other it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/642">TS</a>]

00:10:43   not so great that the negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   results in the worst possible device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   answering your question I mean the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   thing is like in many ways it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   rewards you if you're a person who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   not gotten into the hey Siri ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   like if you like like me like I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   leave it on my phones I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01   because I have like my iPad that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   sits in the kitchen all day for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   part and I figured like maybe I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   use that the way I use the Amazon echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   like maybe I could set timers and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09   using using hey Siri on the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   I've tried that and it's terrible so I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   never do it but oh crap my development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/673">TS</a>]

00:11:17   phones why you saying it see how nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/677">TS</a>]

00:11:21   I said trigger phrase like 9 times so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   you're just rattling on them off and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   you're being punished no the rule is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   Phil Schiller can go on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/686">TS</a>]

00:11:27   and say hey Siri in front of everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/687">TS</a>]

00:11:28   have it not have nothing go off then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   can do it on on a podcast but he's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   computerized chip in his throat that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33   masks and says if Isis won't pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   yeah like the Amazon echo ads in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   Superbowl by the way that's that Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   echo method where you cut out the 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/700">TS</a>]

00:11:41   kilohertz thing I played with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/701">TS</a>]

00:11:42   could not reproduce that I could not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   that to actually work and that post was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   like a year old so I'm guessing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/706">TS</a>]

00:11:47   it's not did you see that I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   something there's some paper about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   you can make basically any spoken phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   be interpreted by speech recognition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   engine as any other phrase that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   you have to know the details of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   recognition engine but of course Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/719">TS</a>]

00:12:00   does know the details it's pretty neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   it does you can notice that it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   modified like there's noise added but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   it's fascinating and terrifying that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   can have the audio say anything you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   and have the transcription say an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   entirely different phrase yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   anyway so the point is like if you are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   a home pod person you actually have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   pretty good reason right now to disable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   the hey dingus feature on as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   devices you can get away with it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   it's like like if you don't end up using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   that much like if you're if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   willing to just hit the button on things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   you're way better off having that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   lots of devices because that way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/751">TS</a>]

00:12:32   won't have this problem where the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   pod grabs it when it's actually not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   device that either you want or that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   can handle the requestor giving it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41   add a good story to it he was using he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   was timers for like a midday meditation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   and the home pod grabbed the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   please set a timer for whatever we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   just fine you know whatever and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/769">TS</a>]

00:12:50   set a timer for me but unlike the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   Cindy normally that he was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   talk to his his watch they're like taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56   you when like your time is up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   then the home pod would speak out loud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   about setting the timer and about one a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   time one offer really kind of harsh your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   mellow when you're trying to meditate so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/785">TS</a>]

00:13:07   yeah that's the intentionality of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/787">TS</a>]

00:13:10   you want like if you talk to your wrist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   despite the fact that the home pod can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   you just fine and like quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15   wins the contest and it can support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   timers it doesn't understand that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   were talking to your wrist anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   looking at you would know you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/801">TS</a>]

00:13:22   talking to your wrist because they'd see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/802">TS</a>]

00:13:23   you doing that but the home pod can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   see you maybe just needs cameras Wow but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/805">TS</a>]

00:13:29   on a happier note tell us about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   Sonos and wood furniture that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   happy it's sad but yeah so no said I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/813">TS</a>]

00:13:37   sure lots of other audio and non audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   products that have the same feet made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   the same or similar material that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   soaks up the oil from the wood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   everything can also leave marks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   think that's terrible I think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   know again I said on a live show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   understand that it's important to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/833">TS</a>]

00:13:54   something vibration absorbing down there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   for audio performance but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   believe there is some substance on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   planet that is both squishy and does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   absorb oil from wood furniture leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   rings or marks of any kind so shame on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   Sonos shame on Apple and I believe we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/848">TS</a>]

00:14:11   have a technology to solve this we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/851">TS</a>]

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00:16:04   I don't and that's a no small part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   because I friggin hate Siri Marco I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   not although that's in partially small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/968">TS</a>]

00:16:11   part because I've been traveling so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12   wasn't actually anywhere where I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   buy one I have still thought about maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   put it on the counter one day I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   know actually I was thinking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   because I know like some of our friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/980">TS</a>]

00:16:21   like Merlin are very positive about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/981">TS</a>]

00:16:24   echo is that the spot the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/984">TS</a>]

00:16:27   circular one I think that's right yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   was I was wondering maybe I could try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   one of those because the one the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   reason I got the echo show for a day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/992">TS</a>]

00:16:36   then returned it promptly was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   really would like to see the progress of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   the timer's counting down while cooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   you know right now I could just I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   asked the echo hey timer status but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   you know ideally I could watch them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   see them you know without having to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:51   something have it hear it over the fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   on the stove and then you know so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   so I was thinking maybe I could get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   echo spot put it on the little counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   right next to where we cook and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   have the home pod on like the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:05   like transitional counter to the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   great room and dining room area where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:09   that's where the music should come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:10   so I thought about that but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   I still I still think I want to wait it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:16   just seems like there's so many like 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   limitations and little annoyances here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   and there that people are having and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   also I got I'm not that hot on Siri so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:26   think I'm gonna wait a little bit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   until I have a really good reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   overcast development oh we can hope we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:33   can hope how about you John I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   got something for Marco mark it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   calendar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   you got the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:40   got a home pod yeah just one just one uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:44   which actually more than one would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47   been cool but anyway I did I I knew I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   had a place for it because I don't I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   it in the same room that I have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   Google home Mini which I got for free as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:55   part of some other purchase and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:56   course you did never one play audio on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:57   all right so there's competition for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:00   in terms of answering questions and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   general I think I'll probably still ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   questions to the Google home mini mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   about who stars in movies that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   watching on television well I'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   them and yes I know that lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:12   applications on Apple TV can do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:16   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:17   some of them like I think the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18   won't even if you just pause it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   show you like who's on screen right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   so be aware of that but but anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:24   find myself asking questions of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   Google home mostly because force of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:30   habit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   but I don't really have anything in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   room that can play good audio that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:37   always on I do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   okay speakers attached to my TV but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   usually that whole receiver and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   everything is off when someone's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   watching TV so it's nice to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   something in there that you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:49   sounds okay and that I can both speak to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   to make it play something and in a pinch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   airplay too so I subscribe to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   music I tried to do like some family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   trial thing or whatever I still assume I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59   will unsubscribe eventually but I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:02   to give it a fair shot to say I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03   be able to just speak to the air and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   have it play music and it sounds pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:08   no I didn't put it on the coaster it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   sitting on top of my furniture but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   don't have any nice furniture in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   period so I don't have to worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   let me see like my dining room tables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   okay but anyway I don't have a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   furniture for the most part so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:23   have to worry about it leaving rings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   it's sitting on top of what I assume is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   a computer printed photograph of wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   you know transferred onto some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   aluminum powder cover with the plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   dust crappy piece of furniture that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1173">TS</a>]

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00:19:39   positions to see how it would adjust its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:42   couldn't tell much of a difference you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46   I couldn't tell whether it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   thing it's sound or whether just sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   different because it was in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50   place I do have a kind of near a corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   which i think is not great for Bumi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   but I really it's really the best place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   I have for the thing I got white mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1196">TS</a>]

00:20:00   because I couldn't decide and so I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   my son he picked white which I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   a reasonable choice because all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   other things are white as well in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:08   of filling the room with sound tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   it's a point source like that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   mentioned I could get two of them might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:14   be better even if it wasn't just stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   like I can tell the sound is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   that part of the room but of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20   expected to be able to tell that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   it's not it's not magic but it is let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   put it this way it is less enveloping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   than the 5.1 system that I have on my TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   and yeah I probably sounds better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   the 5.1 system but the 5.1 system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   surrounds the room so when I play you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   know find out actually open those times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   I play music like during Christmas Eve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   like Christmas music when you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41   decorating the tree or on Christmas Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   or whatever it's nice to have it come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   from all around and maybe I'll still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   that but it's in the room I talked to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:49   my my like out of box experience was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:52   the greatest because you go and you set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   up a thing it shows a little picture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   the home pod you like yes set up and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   know you go through the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   everything seems fine and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:03   go to the home app to control the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:07   or to do something I know I'd never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   launched my life so I launched the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:09   map and there's my home pod that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   set up and just got a big red message on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   it that says like not responding it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   like that for is like what do you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:16   not responding the thing is right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   I'm talking to it it's working fine how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:19   can you tell me it's not responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   eventually it started responding and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24   saw you can tap on it to like pause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25   music and tap again to unpause and write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   whatever and then like 15 minutes later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   launched the home application again to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   try to pause it from a different room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   and there was a little spinner on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   like the little dodd spinner and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:37   spinner just spun there and it just spun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   for like five minutes since I closed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   home app not you know what I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   what the deal with that is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   what its problem was seems to work now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   not a great experience just one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   kind of like oh sometimes Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   doesn't work you do have to wait those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   kind of kind of depressing I did all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56   experiments everyone else did turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:57   volume real loud talk to it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   impressive how well I can hear you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   not impressed with how quickly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   executed my commands it shows the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:07   when you're telling it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:08   playing a song because I do that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   time with the with the Google home side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   because my kids make them play things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:13   and I want them to stop immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   right so this is probably my most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:17   interaction I mean these devices tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   to stop playing whatever audio it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   currently playing and the home pod will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   do it but a little bit more lag than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   there is when I'm telling any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   Gould devices the Google devices like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   soon as I get the word out of my mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   it's like boom the audio cuts off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   home pod seems like I have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   about it for a half a second or so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   find that a little bit annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   considering it's much more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37   than the other ones so yeah not no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:42   surprises are the only thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   didn't anticipate is how angry my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47   children would get when they try to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:48   to it using the Google's trigger phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:51   so they're constantly saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   okay Google or whatever to try to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   it do things especially again if it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:58   the middle of something and one kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1378">TS</a>]

00:22:59   wants to stop it playing audio play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   different one they're yelling at it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   be and this of the odd so the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   thing is answering them at this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04   trying to play music at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   it's like you have to talk to but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   like what they don't understand why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   would have to use a different phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:11   mean I guess you can explain like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   not a Google thing or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:14   that's stupid so yeah so I have I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:20   such mixed feelings about this so we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   a letter from Tim routers in in Tim said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:26   I see some funny parallels between Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   product launches even with you guys with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   respect to home pod in your latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   episodes and Tim enumerates a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35   things in and I'll try to summarize his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   summary so in when the iPod was released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   in 2001 you know it enters an existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   market of mp3 players oh there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   wireless so there's less space no Nomad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   lame iPhone oh it's ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   expensive it isn't a physical keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:48   no cop cut copy paste no 3G etc etc home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:52   pod well it's ridiculously expensive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   doesn't do multi-room audio doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   stereo doesn't do multi users fearless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   serious is severely limited etc so Tim's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:01   point as he continues I'm assuming he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   continues every time Apple blitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   eights critics with its relentless focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07   on continuous improvement so in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   words why isn't home pod the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:11   all over again well I mean I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   it's fair to assume that every Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   product that is a kind of weird or if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   or delayed or incomplete one point oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   we'll like you know grow up to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23   awesome 2.0 or 3.0 4.0 like the initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:26   iPod was really expensive and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   pretty limited especially cuz it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   like Mac only at the time like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   there were reasons to be skeptical of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   the initial iPod and that market wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   really proven yet whereas you know over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   time they did make it great and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   very successful the original iPhone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:46   too expensive for a lot of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47   original one did not sell nearly as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   as the follow-up models but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   over time they made the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   ridiculously great I mean in my opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   was pretty great from day one but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   they made it more successful and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:58   mass-market as time went on but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   look at the Apple watch the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   version the Apple watch was barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   usable it was really a pretty mediocre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09   product it had lots of problems lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   limitations lots of weird and bad design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   choices they did it iterate that over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   time but most of that iteration happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   with the help of additional hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   generations and a couple of years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   software generations that doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   that we were wrong to criticize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   Apple watch 1.0 the Apple watch 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30   needed a lot of criticism the home pod I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:33   think is gonna be more like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:36   although I think it's probably starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   from a better place you know the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   pod is clearly at one point there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   of missing features there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:43   things that are a little bit wonky or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   don't quite work the way people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   them to but I do expect over time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:50   the home pod to get significantly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   that doesn't mean that this home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   will get necessarily a better life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:55   might require new hardware so I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   is fair to criticize this one and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1557">TS</a>]

00:25:59   other side of this is that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:04   criticism about the home pod today is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   bath Siri and the limitations of Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   and inferior performance in some areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:13   of Siri I don't think we can reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:17   assume that's going to get better at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   the same kind of pace that we're used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   seeing Apple products get better with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   when you're mainly waiting on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   hardware advances like we need the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   in this thing to get faster that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   happen that's you know that that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   of a sure thing to happen you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   to two years after the launch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   version 1 of pretty much anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   Apple makes when you're when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   worried about like the local device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   software getting better like apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   pretty good at local device software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   there's some flaws here and there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:45   they're pretty good at it but Siri is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   not new and has gotten better at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51   glacial pace and in many ways has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:55   same problems to it as it did when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   launched like seven years ago I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   necessarily think it's a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   assumption that the home pods flaws that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   are Siri related are about to get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   or gonna get better in two years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   actually don't think that's a safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10   assumption I would love that to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   case but the track record of serious so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   far is is pretty slow progress and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:18   certain types of things that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   are always problems I don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:23   changing quickly at least not as a sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:26   thing so I think it is reasonable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   criticize home pod 1.0 for no one to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   making fun of us for criticizing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   things that are actually wrong with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34   today and also to be a little skeptical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   of Siri improvements being meaningful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40   that are coming anytime soon the funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   thing about this is is that Siri murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   at least my understanding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:46   implementation of Siri is one of the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   things that Apple could actually tweak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:49   on their end without a software update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   right like they can make tweaks to Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   server-side and they can do that at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   time and obviously that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   universal thing but generally speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   they can make Siri a lot better without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02   having to do any sort of software update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   locally and so here's the one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   where Apple is most well equipped to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:08   make changes and yet I completely agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   with you Marco that Siri has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   potentially even worse than when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   new no it's not worse than it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   and they started out pretty bad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:19   definitely is better and and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   getting better but it's getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   at a very slow pace and it still is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:27   know it gains new abilities you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30   about once a year which is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   frequently enough it you know gains like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   new abilities about once a year but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:35   is not it seems like it hit a plateau of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:39   reliability like roughly in year two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   three and hasn't really gotten more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   reliable since then yeah the point I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:48   driving at though is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   it's weird to me that this is the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   place where Apple could really you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   ship fast ship ship off and and and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:55   don't and it really bums me out and man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:58   I have so many angry thoughts about Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   that we'll probably get to next that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   just gonna leave for now but I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:04   with pretty much everything you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:05   John so when you read this I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:09   got all of it from the email and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   think this like we didn't leave out any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   examples and basically the only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:15   examples are iPod and iPhone the gist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:16   the email is you know why do you doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19   Apple like they haven't they proven the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   doubters wrong right doesn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:23   the last night history proves you wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24   doesn't it right well I think to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   we have to say whatever whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   logical fallacy or statistical bias that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   is you know you cherry picked like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:33   a ipod an iPhone as two examples yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:37   there's the you know the famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:38   was it Rob motive of Slashdot anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:41   remember slash time yeah no I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   know where I let's let's paste in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:44   nomadland that's what that quote is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   that people lots of people doubted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47   iPhone right those are like the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:51   two biggest products have for the Mac so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   yeah you can pick them and say there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:54   were doubters there were doubters for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   ping two that didn't go anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   there were doubters for the iPod Hi five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   doesn't go anywhere there were doubters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   for the g4 cube that like you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:03   if you just pick the ones that end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   being smash successes it can look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:06   hey history proves you wrong but setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   that aside like so whatever you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:10   you can't use these as examples anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   but what's different about the home pot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:13   then the success is what makes it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   likely to be more like whatever sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   no not-so-great success then it is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:24   like the iPod and the iPhone and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   there is not to say that this means home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   pot is not going to be a success but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:32   think it probably means a home pot won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   be as huge of success as the iPod iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   both of those things came into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   market and they were substantially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   different than the existing players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   obviously the iPhone was difficult is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   amused about how it was different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:46   there's no physical keyboard no one does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   phones like that you can't make a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49   like this doesn't even have 3G all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   phones out there have 3G and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   expensive but like the iPhone was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56   just like a Nokia candy bar phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:58   with an apple logo on it right it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   very very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   it had things that no other phone in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   market had that's you know the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   obviously no other phone in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07   behave like that people didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   think it could possibly be real right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   the iPod was more conventional but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   it was smaller and more well integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   than the other devices that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   buy that hold lots of songs in them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   the key part about the iPod was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   normal people could successful it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   be successful at the task of taking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   music collection and putting it on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   device and listening to it I owned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   bunch of pre iPod solid-state music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:33   players and if you remember they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   had pre iPod hard drive based ones over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   the size of a truck right normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   would if they bought those things at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   which they probably wouldn't tended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   be less successful again I know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:45   that my wife was not successful getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   the audio onto her tiny little flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   whatever a samsung or maybe was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   Panasonic I can remember like there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   a Yamaha that iPod was different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:58   the others in that it was better in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   ways in terms of like size and number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:03   songs that had held and it was better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:05   and always related to user interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:07   so even though it was very limited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:08   it was Mac only it was expensive and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   had no wireless and had less space than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   a nomad which I think was the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   hard drive bass players in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   yep it had significant advantages home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   pod enters a market already populated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   devices that already do more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   home pod does in exactly the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   that the home pod intents that do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:28   there are cylindrical shape speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   that play audio that you can talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   right there is no differentiator for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   home pot except perhaps audio quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   and it's not like there's no competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   for audio quality Sonos has good audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   quality and depending on whose test you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   look at even the google max thing seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   to be so so right so the home pod comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48   in with no real differentiator like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:51   there's nothing that it does that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   different it's not like everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54   has a physical keyboard and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   all the other ones require you to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   them and the home pod lets you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:58   it no it's exactly the same feature set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   and that's why the home pods getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   slammed because it comes into a crowded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   market doing nothing different or better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   than the competition and not doing many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:12   things that the competition does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:13   like I said the only thing you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   homebuyers go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   for it is audio quality but even audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:17   quality / price you can get to Sonos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   ones versus the home pod and two saunas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   one sound just about as good as the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   pod with the possible exception of bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   most people say so that thin edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:28   like okay well it's the best sounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   cylinder that you can talk that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   get but on the other side of that coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   you can't talk to it in as many ways as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   you can talk to these seven other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:35   products means that it's getting slammed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:39   for I think legitimate reasons and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   also means that unless something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   important changes it doesn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   potential to be a breakout hit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   same way the iPhone the iPod dupe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   because it isn't differentiated enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   even if it gets better at everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   it is as good as the Google home devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   at answering your things and you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57   good as Sonos an audio quality or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00   whatever you've just caught up then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   right whereas the iPhone was is either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:05   gonna live or die based on the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   you can have a phone that's all screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   and guess what it lived right and same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   thing with the iPod is the ease of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:13   putting some music on this thing enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:14   to make up for the high price well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   know that turns out that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   especially once it came to Windows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   iteration is definitely a thing but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   iteration can't save you entirely okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   not save you can't make you a wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   successful Apple TV is a great example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   Apple TV came out a long time ago back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   when it was called ITV before the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   doesn't learn they couldn't use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   the original Apple TV was not popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:39   and did not succeed other devices came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   on market and did better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   original Apple TV eventually Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   know caught up and said we're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:48   a little puck shape thing and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:51   gonna do what everyone else is doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   right now Apple TV is you know it can it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:58   main advantages that you play your DRM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   lock the Apple content but other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   that it has no great differentiator for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   you know besides media login from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   the other you know television connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   devices and even some Smart TVs can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   play netflix just as well as the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:13   so they iterated an Apple TV room for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16   long time and it actually took them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   essentially two tries to even figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   what the correct you know features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   and price for for that type of device so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:24   I think it's it's not like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   doubting that the home pod will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   you know be a successful product but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:33   think it is entirely reasonable to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   it all the criticism I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   getting and I think it's entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:38   reasonable not to expect it to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   breakout success like the iPod and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   iPhone at least at least unless it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   it comes out with some differentiator in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   fact if it was it would have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   they always say this like if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   aren't making fun of you you're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   not gonna be that successful it if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   was more differentiated and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   something radically different that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   give it probably more potential because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   like maybe it does maybe that weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   thing that it's doing that nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   is doing is going to be the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   makes it a great success right but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:08   you look at it it's like it's not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   anything differently anyone else it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   doing exactly the same stuff only some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   of it not as good and that doesn't spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   you know massive success it spells ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:20   success right even the watch I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   is much more differentiated and even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   watch has taken a while to get going but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   there was really no other SmartWatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27   that had the basically the the power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   the you know the fashion sense that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   Apple watch did on its introduction so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   even that had more potential upside than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   the home pod so I think everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   lukewarm on the home pod for valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   reasons ok I mean it's just it's a fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:46   point like I I understand why the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   was written I just I don't currently see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52   it as the same and even if home had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   version 7 is the best speaker that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   ever been made I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:00   negates any of the criticisms we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   now and I'm trying to think of like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   would be a breakout feature like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05   know it's a feature that doesn't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08   exist in the Google or Amazon or Sonos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   product that the home pod could have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:15   you know just because I can't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   one doesn't mean there isn't one there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   could be one but nothing Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   announced I think fits that category [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   maybe well I don't know maybe like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:27   the home kit stuff ever takes off apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   do a better job of integrating all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   our light switches and doorbells and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   whatever then Amazon currently does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   I don't know and you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:39   meantime we're all just hoping that home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   pod catches up that its voice stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   that being as good as Google and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   and that it gets all the capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   that Apple originally advertised for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:49   in terms of having multiple ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   multi-room audio and all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   things that some of its competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:53   already have I want one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:57   but I know I'm gonna be disappointed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   it and so that's why I'm bought one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   plus it's what is it three and fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:01   four hundred dollars like that's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   enough money that's that's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:04   impulse buy to me and not to say that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   is to you to either just for me anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   it's not an impulse buy and and so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   just it's new and shiny and Apple made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:15   its that means I should I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:16   won that's that's the rule that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   they tell me to do that's what uncle Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   tells me to do and I don't know I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   probably get one eventually but sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   here now I just I know it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   disappoint me yeah I I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   want the home pod more you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:31   like I feel like I'm like on Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   team for pretty much everything else as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   much as some people think I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   really AM on Apple's team for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   part and and the reason why I sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   criticism is because I like them so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:44   and because I think they're better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:45   everyone else in industry a lot of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   but it I really want so badly to love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:51   and then buy everything that they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   but I can't like the home pod is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:57   70 percent of the way there for me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2337">TS</a>]

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00:39:03   overcast to be developing on it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   might be airplay to whenever that ships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:06   or you I need you know a Siri kid a P I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2346">TS</a>]

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00:39:14   these you know open check boxes here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   that that that are making it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:19   not quite enough for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   ultimately the thing that could really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   make it awesome for me is if Siri gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   lot better and I'm I think we might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   waiting on time for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   on the on the audio from the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   quality or even just that did their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   overall device quality and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:36   integration with the Apple ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37   home pod has the very easy potential to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:41   be the audio : of Apple TV and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   there are lots of Apple TV like devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   that you can connect to your television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   they can play like YouTube and Netflix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   and Hulu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   you know all the stuff right there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   Apple TV is not the only competitor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   that market but a lot of people I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   who are in the Apple ecosystem and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   fancy Apple stuff instead of having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   Roku or fi TV they have Apple TVs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:04   why do they have them is it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   Apple TV is fantastically better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   fire TV and Roku yes it's better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   it's better in ways that Apple nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   care about no trust me it's better I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   mean I tried like maybe when I was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:16   two years ago when I tried like the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   I tried to Roku and a fire TV because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   was frustrated with the Apple TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   I'll tell you what the Apple TV drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   me crazy but it's bet it's still better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:28   than a bunch of them and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:31   the difference is not that big I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   like it's mostly aesthetic I like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   of the other remotes better than well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:39   but but anyway like Apple TV is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:42   expensive but people buy it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   the Apple iasts one so home pod easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48   could get the market for people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   a cylinder they can talk to the plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   audio nicely and they're people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:55   in the Apple ecosystem that are willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:56   to pay a little bit more for a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:57   looking device that sounds really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   like that's the easy market right even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   if it doesn't do everything the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02   home and echo do and you know and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   know setting aside sona's for now home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   pod for sure should get that entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:09   market which is not a small market like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   that's if it's if it can suddenly be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   successful as the Apple TV 4k I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   Apple would be OK for that for a 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   product right and then they can go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2478">TS</a>]

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00:41:20   so I think there is a clear path to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   okayness for the home pod even without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:25   improving anything about it simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   because it is nice-looking and it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   good and it's integrated with the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2489">TS</a>]

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00:43:56   doing what I would want them to do which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   is to do the right thing and keep new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   user privacy at the forefront and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03   know if their product is a little crummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04   or because of it then so be it but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   I got thinking about it a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:08   more and it occurred to me but Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:12   still sucks for a lot of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   have nothing to do with my data like did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18   I tell the story on the show I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   about asking when the the UVA Tech game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:23   basketball game was and I'd asked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26   like you know when is the Cavaliers game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   on and it wanted to show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   Cleveland Cavaliers okay fine and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   asked like when it's the Hokie game on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33   and they was I don't know okay when are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   the Hokies and Cavaliers playing each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:37   yeah the they played each other six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   months ago here's the score okay what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   time is the Hokie basketball game oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43   it's totally tonight at six o'clock why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   do you ask like it's just in and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:48   the thing that's so frustrating well one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   of the things that's so frustrating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   me is that yeah I think Jamie was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   that in and of itself this things could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:57   be a lot better or or you know Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   would be more knowledgeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:01   if privacy wasn't as big a deal you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:05   if so much more of this stuff could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:06   crunched server side like if my entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   calendar was server side if all of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   email was server side and by that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   Apple could read all of it in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   ways I feel like Siri could be so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   better and I respect Apple I truly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   honestly respect Apple for making their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   product by most arguments worse by not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   cutting that corner because I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   that that's better for me even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   the product on the whole is worse but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:29   can you get like an actor's name right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   was in in and even just basic dictation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   so I went for a run yesterday and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:40   one point to the ride my iPods and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   all I'm on my Apple watch my Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   with LTE connection which I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   if you've ever heard I'm a little grumpy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:47   about but here be that as it may I'm on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   my ear pods Apple watch I am panting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   be fair but I if I had held down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:57   crown on the Apple watch so it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   listen to me because I've hey Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00   alright no actually he Syria doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   work with the air pods but I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:05   the the double tap to kick on Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:08   because I prefer to do it differently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   prefer the double tap to do different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   things so I hold down the crown on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   watch I hear the beep beep and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   something to the effect of like remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   me to open a 529 savings account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   Makayla and holy God I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   recorded what it had come up with in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:24   defense of Siri I was panting this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   like two-thirds of the way through my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:27   run but it came up with like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   that was barely intelligible I was able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   to piece it together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   after the fact but it was hilarious how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:37   bad the transcription was and all it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:40   was a reminder like this shouldn't in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   theory have been that complex then I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:45   home and I decide I wanted to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   you some probably got off on me as I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   or even remember what it was and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   in front of my garage I'm on my driveway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   my phone was sitting in my kitchen now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   Marco you've seen the house and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:59   talking 20 feet maybe from the from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:03   basically the garage door to the kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   and to be fair there's a couple of walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   including an exterior wall between me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   and my phone but probably a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   Tito's and Villita shells and cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   naturally and so I you know said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:16   know hey can you play me the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   album by yo mute math or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   that I don't remember exactly what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   was and then I see hold on again this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:25   on my watch now I have plenty of Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   coverage at this point but it appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30   that's not good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:30   hold on I'll tap you when I'm ready yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:36   series not available sorry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   and it's like come on no maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   isn't I guess strictly speaking that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:42   not serious like that's just a general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:43   connectivity because that's well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46   is it or is it like is it a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   failure or a server failure either way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   it's kind of serious problem like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   your watch should be connected you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   like if it's in an area where it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   good coverage it should be connected I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   mean I have plenty of LTE although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   don't I did look and it was not on LTE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   at the time I plenty of LTE though so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   hypothetically it could should have fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   back - fall back fell back to LTE I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   certainly was well within my Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:13   coverage without question I was in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   within Wi-Fi coverage and yet it insists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   on going I think to the phone because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   you know when I did the swipe up to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:22   the little control center thing I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:23   phone icon in the upper left and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   insistent on going to the phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   you have itself as a first stop okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   fine I'm okay with that but can you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   fall back onto something else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   whatever I was trying to play was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   something that I had night UNS match so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   this sure to have like the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39   expected it to work is that maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   would have tried the phone and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   given up when it wasn't too strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   enough connection or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   just gone via either Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   LTE and asked you know Apple hey what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   did Casey just say oh he wants to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   to the latest out of my new math okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   does he have anything by yo mute math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   and iTunes Oh indeed he does here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:58   you should play and it should work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   it's just these little failures are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:03   happening all the friggin time and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:06   to the point that I feel like I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:10   communicate with my phone verbally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   cannot communicate with my phone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   typing on my phone because that's become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16   a disaster so I just I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:19   only device that I have that I can input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:22   any text into with any efficacy is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   Mac and it's driving me insane but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:28   better hope it's not the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   keyboard actually my psyche there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   little bit crunchy today it's not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:33   happy about that I was able to mash on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   and get whatever you know microscopic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   speck of dust was out of the way I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   not need to return to work the can of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   compressed air that I kid you not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   bought specifically for my macbook I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   hadn't had a can of compressed air in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   the house and like ten years but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   I needed I think a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:55   frustration here is like like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   I mentioned I think last show or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   maybe it was on my seventeen our talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   show last week or whatever it was and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:03   mentioned that I that like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:07   I first got the Amazon echo it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:09   you know after years of like kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   know passively trying to use Siri and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   have it fail a lot of the time and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   kind of be frustrated about it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   striking to me how reliable the Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   echo was in in and how quickly it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23   answer me and and you know in part this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   is kind of not a straight comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   because the Amazon echo is stationary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   plugged in all the time listening all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   the time for the wake word at least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   is in a controlled environment it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:39   always in the same spot and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   like you know acoustic things that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   happen like for instance I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   earlier like when when my range hood fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   is on on the stove it creates like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   know a good deal of fairly broadband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:53   white noise and the echo just can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   anything anymore like even if it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   if humans can hear over it just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   like sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   types of noise that are in the room the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   echo just seems to really hear very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   badly if those noises are present but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   but otherwise like the echo is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09   reliable but again that's because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   in one place plugged in all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:14   listening for the wake where all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:15   time and has a stable connection like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   can remain connected the network it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   doesn't have to it doesn't have to Power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20   Save and drop itself off the Wi-Fi when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23   it's not necessary is stuff like that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   there are it this is not not a straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:26   comparison here to your watch situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   which was very possibly affected by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   connectivity and power saving stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   that being said like you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   the way the error rates of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   work suppose the echo hears me 95 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   percent of the time and Siri hears me 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   percent of the time that still means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   Siri fails twice as often and so as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:47   get closer to these higher number you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   know it's very same same math when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   talk about cache hit rates you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   same problem like like you know it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   like my like when when one of my cache [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   servers is down then about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   eight percent of hits will miss but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   also means that my databases are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   serving like five times as many hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   because the hit rate is usually so high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   so like you know you'll see a huge spike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   in load on the databases for what seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14   like a small difference in the cache hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   rate so this is you know it's similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   problem here with like you know for Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   to get like competitive and better in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   this way it needs to get what's it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:27   to dramatically reduce its error rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   and its failure rate and Apple might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   think it's really good if you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   Apple has data on this which I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   they do you know they might see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   somewhere being in the 80s or 90s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   think that's great but the competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   is even better than that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   difference can still be seen and felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   pretty pretty regularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   I would love so much for Siri to improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:50   at the same rate as Apple's hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   software usually improves but it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55   here a while and we haven't seen that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56   I I don't think anybody should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   reasonably anticipate that that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   to happen now like all of a sudden you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   see you're gonna start getting better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:04   a rapid pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   I don't know like they have this they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   have the home pod which depends very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   heavily on Siri so you might think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   that's great motivation but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   iPhone for the last 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   there's also pretty good motivation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15   they haven't done that so you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:18   don't it just it doesn't seem like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   really a core competency of Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:24   make really good AI based big data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   services like this and and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   lot of people lean on the privacy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   and Apple to some reason or to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   degree also kind of leans on the privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33   angle it almost as an excuse of why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:37   has to be this way and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   not a valid argument you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:45   the the privacy aspect of the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   does things is nice and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51   merit to that there's value to that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   glad they do that but that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   preclude them from making really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   services in this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58   it just doesn't it's two it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   separate things yes if they had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   data if they if they were more creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:03   with letting stuff certain types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   certain services could get better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   Apple makes a lot of services that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   get better with what they already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12   and they don't or they don't get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   enough so I don't think that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:19   to give up privacy to make great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   services conversely I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   privacy is the reason their services in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   some of these areas are not great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   think that's a convenient excuse for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   people who don't really understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   to make these services very well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   otherwise it's that's not the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:34   the reality is these services can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:38   way better with the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   information that they already do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41   don't collect I don't think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   culturally and structurally set up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   make really great services of this type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48   I think they have proven that yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   that's exactly my point when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   bringing up what Jamie had said of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   is that there's so much that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   to do with privacy like okay fine maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   if Siri saw that I was sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   Virginia when I was asking about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02   Virginia colleges playing each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:04   maybe it could have narrowed down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   little bit more but either way I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:09   think that would have made a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:10   difference and okay even if that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   have made a difference then what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   when I'm using Siri is like a front end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   IMDB like I think it was John had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:18   mentioned earlier you know I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:19   know about who's acting in the movie I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   watching or the TV show I'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   like Siri falls all over its face on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:25   that half the time and that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:26   to do with any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:27   thing except I guess if it was listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   to what I was watching which is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   creepy enough that I don't think Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   does that sort of thing so you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   I mean like there's so much that it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   has nothing to do with privacy and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   is what I was saying originally what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   Marco is saying now just a moment ago it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   there's so much that is beyond this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:47   I I just it's frustrating and I wanna I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:51   want to see it get better and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   frustrated that it's not getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   especially since unlike you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   annual release cycles for Mac OS and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   which we hopefully talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:01   episode I I don't understand why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:05   isn't getting better faster except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:06   perhaps just in in Marco you said this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   moment ago you know a corporate culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   that that doesn't that isn't conducive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   to it I'd like to generalize this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   from Syria specifically to these voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18   since in general this is just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   reiterate some what Marco just said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   what he said on this topic many times I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   think we all talked about in the past I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   think it's actually analogous to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   iPhone which I'm thinking about because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   we had that earlier feedback about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:32   that it's Marco talked about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   percentage differences in the gaps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   like so you know if the competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   products are this good and Siri is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40   good even if Siri is improving there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   still a gap between it but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   important part of those hypothetical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   numbers is that like the original iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49   there is a there's a threshold on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:54   side the same interface is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58   acceptable on the other side of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   threshold you pass into the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   acceptability the iPhone was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   first mass-market devices to cross that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:08   threshold for touch input on a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   the touch screen which touch screens was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   existed forever and people generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:15   hated suddenly got responsive enough so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:19   that you know it wasn't just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   this is like 1% better it crossed over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   all aligned right and suddenly it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26   good enough and they've gotten way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   better since then right but it was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   clear that this is the first device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   that is good enough that regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   will use the touchscreen and not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   fine you know they like they won't hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   it it'll it'll feel good it'll feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   it'll feel like they're directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:42   manipulating the things on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43   right for the cylinders that you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   the essential that they're there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   same line and Amazon cross that a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   time ago and it's this a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   aspects one is this got to hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   right - is it has to know what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3476">TS</a>]

00:58:00   you're asking me about and three is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01   has to do it fast right and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:04   combination of those three things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:05   produces a feedback cycle for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   use the echo that builds confidence the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:11   first time you use it you're impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:12   that even understood what you mumbled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   then you're impressed that it did like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   it could do the thing that you asked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   and then I think with the echo you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   impressed that it did it so quickly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   you feel like you barely had the words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23   out of your mouth and it's setting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   timer doing whatever telling you what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   time it is are telling you the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   it just seems so fast and when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   happens that the threshold that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:32   crosses like the utility threshold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33   like this is an appliance and it's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   longer a computer thing where I just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   know cross my fingers and hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39   something cool and computery works just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   becomes part of your day right even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:43   it has limitations like oh I just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   it can't hear me with the rangehood on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   right there this is parameters to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:49   know if you know that's the case that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   bad and Amazon should improve that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   it's not like on some days when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:57   raining you can't hear me and then on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   Thursdays sometimes doesn't hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:00   right like you crossed that threshold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   where it becomes reliable and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   so many things that we could talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   including Siri and lots of other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   that have some kind of voice interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   that do not cross that threshold and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   you you give up on them you don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   them or use them for an extremely narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   you know set of things and in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   circumstances now I think the home pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   has actually crossed some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:23   thresholds for Apple I think the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   Bob can hear me really really well I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:28   be able to hear me better than any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   device on the market not better enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   perhaps to make a difference because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   general the I'm still amazed at how well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:36   the Google home could hear me and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   seen other people talk to their echoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:39   from far distances and it seems to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   pretty well but the home pot I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   crosses the threshold for can it hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   it does not cross the threshold for does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   that understand what I'm asking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   because still many times it will neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:54   do what I think it should do or the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:58   command will get different results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   command will get different results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   and it also I think doesn't cross the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   threshold as I mentioned before for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03   responding quickly enough when I tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   to stop playing music I know it hears me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   I know it understands what I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   and it does it but it does it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   bit more slowly than I would like slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:14   enough that it makes me it gives me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   millisecond of doubt whether it's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   it it doesn't create that that feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   cycle where I'm like oh now I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:20   I have a voice connection to an off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:22   right in the same way that whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   Marco says like turn everything off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25   is downstairs that it turns everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   off you get used to it doing that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:30   then you don't get you don't expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   to have like a little spinner light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   going spin spin spin spin okay I'll turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:36   off your lights that's too long that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   doesn't create the feedback cycle so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:41   not sure exactly what values those lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   are at but I can tell that certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:44   devices are over in certain devices or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   not and I think home pod with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   advancement of its of its audio output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:49   and input has crossed over a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:51   those lines but it's still a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   things lagged behind and you really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   to get everything over the line kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   like the original iPhone did to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   enter the game to enter the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:03   devices that regular people will use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   routinely day after day and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   thinking about as a tech gadget and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   start thinking about as an appliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   that you just expect to work all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   time yeah we're a long way from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   unfortunately but not for the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   cylinders Casey should get a Google home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   right now with an echo I actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21   an Amazon echo on its way to me right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23   now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:23   really wait what sorry I bury the lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   actually yes so a friend of mine Justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:30   Williams he might know from Glassport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   among other things he was getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   his echo and said to me you know rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   than trying to figure out you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   to sell it to you know if I covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   postage he would send it my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   and so I baked ashed him the cost to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:47   send it from him to me and it'll be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:50   sometime next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:51   probably after we record actually so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   you're not gonna hear any more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   this for a couple of weeks at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:55   still don't have any particular interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   in having an echo in my house but since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:59   almost everyone I know has one in almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   everyone I know loves them I'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   to see what'll happen with it but start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   asking kitchen questions or putting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   TV room and start asking me TV questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   by the way I can't test the home pod on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   we questions I asked it who was the star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14   of a movie that's out now and I asked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17   when a movie was released and I did both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   of them in just the first way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   occurred to me the you know questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:25   that I have a good comparison to possess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:26   my Google things all the time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   who stars in the movie it it more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:31   less got it it basically read me a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   page but it read me the relevant portion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   of the web page and it read me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:37   seven of the people that are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:38   movie and then asked me if I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   read the next two as well so it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   get like who the star was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:43   there's an obvious answer like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   person but it it read the cast it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   read me that the title on the rating saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48   I give it that one but it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   sounded like I found this on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:51   about blah blah blah which is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:53   direct as when I asked the question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:55   Google it just tells me straight up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   asked if the release date and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   verbose about it it said the movie XYZ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   was released on you know January 12th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   but it got the right answer so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:06   know I don't know if home pod has gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:09   better about that then Siri mostly I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   just enjoying the fact that I find it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   much more reliably able to hear me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:16   hate using Syria I don't you have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   watch I don't where am i watch it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:19   the time but I hate using Siri on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   phone because I activate it and I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:22   know if it went safe for me to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   talking and almost all the time I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   know hold down the home button and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   the little Siri thing appears on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   screen and I say whatever I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   right and I see the little waveform move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   and while I'm talking it goes boo boo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   loop that is exactly and then I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:43   well maybe it maybe it heard me anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   so I finished what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   and it just stares at me and says how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   can I help you you moved your waveform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   in response to my speaking it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   that the audio was entering into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55   system and you know jiggling but and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:57   I always have to end up saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   everything twice and I hate that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3838">TS</a>]

01:03:59   makes me feel dumb and it's not a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   interaction if I wait for the bloop I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:02   feel like I'm waiting there forever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   now now is it okay for me to talk it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   the worst talking to a cylinder is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   much better I don't care if it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:09   for me I just start talking and the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   pod definitely passes that test you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   not once they did not hear me not once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   did it you know but bloop at me or do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   anything or interrupt me in any way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   was able to say what I wanted to say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   it was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:24   do what I wanted to do so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   excited I think home pod definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   crosses some thresholds that previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   hadn't been crossed by any Apple product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3870">TS</a>]

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01:06:15   word and not us three specifically just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   in general there was word spread a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:20   couple of weeks ago I think that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:23   is going to pull a Snow Leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   but for real this time like we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:28   mean it this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   for realsies pinkie swear there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:33   article in Bloomberg that said Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   going to kind of pump the brakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   and it's going to well the the headline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:41   is how Apple plans to root out bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:43   revamp iPhone software so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:47   quote that one of you pulled for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   convenience so thank you quote instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   of keeping engineers on a relentless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:52   annual schedule and cramming features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:54   into a single update Apple will start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:55   focusing on the next two years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:57   updates for its iPhone and iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   operating system according to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   familiar with the change the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   will continue to update its software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:03   annually but internally engineers will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   have more discretion to push back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:06   features that aren't as polished to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:09   following year I don't know where to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:15   start with this other than to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   if this really is true sitting here now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:21   anyway this sounds magical this sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:24   like you know the the the glass of ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   water in hell and that's not to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:29   things are that bad by any stretch but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:30   what I mean is I really think that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33   could stand to kind of pump the brakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   on new features and just work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   hardening things and I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:39   three of us are amongst many voices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   have been saying the same and when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   were doing Jason Snell's end-of-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:47   recap in survey or whatever he called it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:50   we'll put a link in the show notes one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   of the things that struck me as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   reflecting on some of the things he'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   asked about like software quality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:57   that over the past year so during 2017 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:01   had had a lot of my like family members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   and you know so most of my friends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   kind of pretty big nerds but most of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:08   family members are not and I had had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   some family members say to me in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:13   words holy crap this Apple stuff never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:15   works anymore what happened to it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   working and that that really struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:21   and and I mentioned that to Jason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   think he actually used that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:24   report card and it seems like it's time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:28   that the perception anyway whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   not it's reality the perception is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:31   I'm very much in this camp that software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   quality's really kind of taking a turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   for the worse so it's it's easy to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:40   the relentless speed of new features for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43   maybe that being the problem maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   maybe that's just that they need to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   be not have a litany of new features to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:49   release every WWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   so perhaps slowing down on new and shiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:55   will give everyone time to improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:59   old end well busted but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:03   it's it's hard because I've worked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   big software companies but not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:06   this big John you can be the adult in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   the room as you always are so I'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   to you now is Marco Marco how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:13   feel about this first let's have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:14   children discussing you and me are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:17   the kiddie table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:18   and Thanksgiving so let's let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   amongst ourselves Marco already talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:21   about this for an hour in another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:22   podcast now I ever had this time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   listen that I known as the time well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:26   was trying to figure out so thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:29   all right so anyway so can you give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   the chief summarizer and chief version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   then of that argument yeah basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:34   this is great to hear I'm I'm happy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:38   this you know and you know this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   like it has multiple sources and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   everything it's a probe it probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   happened this this meeting or this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   change but I don't think it really means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   much of anything yet it's very much show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   you like ok that sounds promising let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   see what happens you know let's wait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53   see what the actual results of this are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   I do think that the the annual schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:59   of heavy feature filled releases on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   almost all their platforms has been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   significant contributor to the recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   quality issues you know I just I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:09   think there I don't I think from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   little bit we've heard here and there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:15   really does seem like they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   they don't devote enough time to bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:20   fixing and refinement before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   engineers on most of these projects have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   to go to the next thing I have to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   the next the next marketing features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:27   build the next headlining features or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   you know get to the next major version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:30   like there there's not a lot of time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   an annual cycle for refinement and bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:36   fixes and so if indeed they're moving to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:38   a two-year cycle for major efforts like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   and this isn't saying that they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   like only release iOS every two years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   whatever it's just like you know major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   features will now take will now be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   allowed to take two years that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   sounds good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:51   I don't know how different that is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   how it has been though I mean we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   you know certain things like a PFS like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   that wasn't that didn't take one year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:58   like that was like major features have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:02   always been allowed to take more than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:03   year but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:04   it's I don't I don't know what exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   this is allegedly changing and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:10   we're not really going to know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:13   it's you know working or whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   having a real effect for probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   couple years like we're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:18   just see how the software evolved over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   the next couple of years and kind of see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   like it doesn't seem better now or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:25   I've been in a lot of big software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:28   companies and over the years I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   III can't speak to what it's like inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   Apple but I have to think that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   so incredibly different from other large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   companies especially these days and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:41   thing that happens in companies to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:44   stuff with software or technology in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:45   general and probably in any companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   that the higher you go up the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   management chain the more the incentives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   are structured for those people to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:56   it seem like things are going well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59   to themselves believe that things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:03   going well but eventually something will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05   happen that ripples alway up the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08   org chart that you know me from down at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   the bottom of the org chart I always saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   those those unfortunate things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   happened as opportunities that must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   seized upon by those in the lower ranks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   because that's your chance to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:23   people higher up have thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:24   everything's been great but we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   down here telling you that X is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:29   problem and now those chickens are come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   home to roost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:31   so let's hell you know come together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   have a discussion about how we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   change things right and this cycle just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   repeats itself like it never never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40   actually like fixes all your problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41   but basically you know you gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:44   together you say we're gonna change how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:45   we do things in a way that will prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   things like this from happening and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:48   do it like you make the actual change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   you change procedures you reorganize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   people you change priorities you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   know almost exactly the same thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:56   talk about here you know lengthen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:57   schedules give people who are closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:00   the actual work more authority to push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:04   back on deadlines or I do you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   setting unrealistic internal deadlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:08   just so some middle manager can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   bonus this year like you do all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:11   stuff right and it works like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:15   like it doesn't work it works like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   make things better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   there are the countervailing forces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   things slowing down and everything also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   happened but then it just builds back up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   again you get into a happy place again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:26   and then you know get the same incentive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29   structures cause people to press hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31   and set aggressive internal deadlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:33   and fear of competition makes you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   lots of features and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:37   and you get it and then another crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:39   happens and people seize on it and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:40   this is just a cycle of any large group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   of people doing things and that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46   stay I'm not trying to be like cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47   about it I agree with marco and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   everyone else has looked at this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:50   yes this is exactly what we want Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   to do and I really believe that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   they're really gonna do it and be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   it will really help right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   I think this same cycle has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:03   inside Apple many times in the past and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:05   it will happen many times in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   and I just think we're kind of in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   know in like a downswing that hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13   is about to take a turn into an upswing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   so I see it as positive and like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   an entire industry around like how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20   not go through this you know roller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   coaster cycle and how to you know get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:23   sustainable growth and just do great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   things for ever and ever and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26   constant struggle to get any larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   group of people to do that maybe Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31   that's another topic we won't get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   today but like you know people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   rose-colored glasses about the whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35   they think the heyday of Apple was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   how well it was able to execute during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39   those times and I think we will talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:40   about that on a future show but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43   general this this quality focused thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   I think is positive real and we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:49   real results but we'll find ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51   back yet here in about ten years at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53   minimum or a maximum rather and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   just the nature of the beast and we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   need to learn to learn to write it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00   so I'm I'm optimistic I you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:04   keep saying i optimistic until I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   what they do with the Mac Pro because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:07   they disappoint me though they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08   really crushed me but I think I may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10   unique in that regard well but and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12   Mac Pro is actually a really good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   know thing to mention here it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:16   they told us directly like officially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:19   the record that they're working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:20   great new Mac Pro that this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:22   that our Mac Pro problem will be solved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   and honestly half of us I think our Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   Pro problem was solved by the iMac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:27   it's pretty great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:28   but like you know but for like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   you know the modular upgradable tower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   or module upgradeable Mac Pro I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   know if Tuvia tower that's still a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   unknown they said they promised it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   be better but until it actually comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:41   out we don't know that it will be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:42   and so like it's like great uh we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   that was great talk to get but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   haven't seen the actions yet so we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:49   really say whether that's you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   actual positive thing or not and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:56   this one more minor point is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   talked about this in the past as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59   it's particularly for the Mac where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:02   the phone obviously they're still doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   great in the phone and they have fierce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   competition in the phone right so I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:08   they're gonna still be running pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09   hard on the phone front and so far they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   have been running hard they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:12   chipping good phones so good on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   right so obviously the highest priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:15   to do a good job on it you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18   expect that to change that much the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20   that runs in the phone you know the push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   features out here and there I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   they've they don't feel as much pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   from the competition as they did back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:27   when they had really you know back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   Android was just so far ahead of them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:31   terms of notifications and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33   multitasking and stuff like that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:34   that you know it's it's a closer race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   now but the Mac the the fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   opportunity that the low-level engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   would love to seize upon us like boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   imagine if we could have you know sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:46   of people permanently responsible to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:49   every important part of the system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:50   those people's just sat there and drain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:52   their bug queues and like improve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54   performance and test coverage and drain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:55   their bug queues for like three years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:58   make and why would you do that how can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4618">TS</a>]

01:16:59   you afford to do that because the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   competition is not moving as fast as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:04   the phones in the tablets competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:05   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06   not as much action is happening down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:08   there and if you're trying to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   find a role for the Mac in the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   it could one possibility as we discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   and shows in the past is it to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:16   the super reliable bulletproof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18   industrial-grade you know never crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:21   never does the wrong thing just does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24   what it's supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26   reliably make that the reputation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29   Mac make it seem you know you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:32   exchange for boringness and for slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   slower or perhaps you know much slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   rate of change you get massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   reliability so staff up the Mac teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   drain those bug queues improve your test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   coverage improve performance and memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:45   usage and all those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:46   of things you know this is assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:50   there's no major components still need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   to be written because there may still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:53   things lurking in there and then do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56   for a couple of years to restore the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58   reputation and to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:01   attractive to the people who are most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   likely to use the Mac before you go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   to the next cycle whatever that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:06   marzipan thing and now it's time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:08   Mac take its next evolution time to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:10   radical again I don't think that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   happen but that is one way that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:15   were the were the people who seized on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   this opportunity able to really seize on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   it I'm sure that's the dream of lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:23   low level people who work on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:24   who are sick of ignoring your bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:26   justice you are sick of them ignoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28   them I mean this is definitely a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30   thing I don't see any way we can spin it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   as a bad thing but fast forward to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:35   episode are we on like 265 fast word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   episode I don't know 3:10 but Phenom I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:44   excited about this as much as I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   joking around I'm really excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47   this I think this is a good sign that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49   that Apple's seeing we're seeing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:52   it's also tough too because you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55   don't get to see all the like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   know if analytics is the right word for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:58   it but like the analytics data that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   Apple sees and they may see that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   you know hard crashes and software are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   trending down over the years and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:09   think that that that very well could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12   true but it seems to me that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:15   kind of Wiggly stuff that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:16   really been letting us down lately like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:19   Siri just not working when you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21   to for example let alone just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   answering the question incorrectly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25   don't know it's tough and it's it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:28   don't know what to make of it but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:31   Steven Sinofsky is that how I pronounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   that I think something like that wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:34   tweet storm about this and we'll put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   link to either the tweet storm or he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:39   eventually wrote a blog post about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:40   we'll put some sort of link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:41   in the show notes but I wanted to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:43   out a few tweets of his he was a he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   a Microsoft engineer and headed up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:50   of their bigger software products if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   most of software I don't know exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:54   where he was when when he left Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:56   but supposed to say the guy knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:58   he's talking about and he knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4798">TS</a>]

01:19:59   he's talking I when I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:00   to delivering software to lots and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03   and lots of people and so in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   tweets he wrote and this was a tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   number 28 of his tweets to him I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:09   anywhere has delivered a general-purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   piece of software and hardware at scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13   to a billion people delivering such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   broad robust consistent experience we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   don't have a measure for what it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   to be quote high quality quote I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   that in any absolute sense Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   exceeded everyone else and that's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:24   what I'm talking about right like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4824">TS</a>]

01:20:26   know it may be that that really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   software quality is is good it's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   better but it's in terms of crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:33   perhaps and we've talked about this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:34   than once on the show but maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:37   getting worse in some of the the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   gray area that's harder it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   track Steven continues in tweet 31 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:44   what happens to a team as complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46   evolves is simply the challenge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:47   coordination and more importantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   consistency or leveling of decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:51   across a complex system this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:52   particularly acute if the bulk of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:54   team has only known the previous few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:55   years of success he continues in 32 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:58   Apple will just renew their engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4858">TS</a>]

01:20:59   process it means thinking about how risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:02   is analyzed how schedules are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:03   constructed how priorities are set this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   is literally what it means to run a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:06   project and what we are all paying them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   to do so in conclusion so to me on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:11   this is Steven to me on Apple even as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   outsider I feel confident saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:14   this isn't reactionary or crisis or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:17   response to externalities importantly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   isn't a massive pivot or a student body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21   left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:22   it's a methodical in predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   evolution of an extremely robust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   proven system so the short short version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28   is hey when you have a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29   writing a lot of code for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   different systems every once in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   just like John said you're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:34   sit back and take stock and say we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:36   we got a tweak a few things and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:38   what they're doing I think what Sinofsky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:39   missed is the cyclic nature of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41   yes this is this is totally routine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43   thing that happens and that it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   repeatedly like I don't know I get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:48   that forms a kind of a rollercoaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:49   that people don't like they'd rather see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51   just like a gentle slope from you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   with constant improvement I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:56   seen that happen in the real world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:59   the cyclic nature of it can make you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   make you jaded if you are a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02   employee or a long time engineer and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   like yeah this always happens or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   whatever but that you know the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08   just come back I think that's true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:11   that's but it's better if you don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:14   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:14   banan rollercoaster just becomes a down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   rollercoaster there just goes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17   forever and you never do make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:18   adjustment so I've you know I fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   believe that these type of adjustments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22   have gone on an apple for the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24   life of the company and will continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:25   go on and you just you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27   have to roll with it but I'm ready I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29   ready for an upswing I think everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   yep big time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   Barton Meeks writes in do you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:35   modular Mac Pro will provide a solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   to a Mac Mini update at a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   price nope nope Alastair Campbell writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   in you've alluded to a negative effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   of running movies at the wrong framerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45   but I must have missed the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47   explanation I'm wondering if it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49   better to hand break blu-rays at 24 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   30 frames per second what's the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:54   digital backup for you and John you seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   to be the most opinionated about this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:57   do you want to take this one so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   negative effect of running things at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:00   wrong framerate is if they're not nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   multiples of each other and has to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   frames for different amounts of time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   the video content we have expects you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   show a refrain from equal amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:09   whether it's one thirtieth of a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11   or one twenty-fourth of a second or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:12   whatever if you show some frames longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   than you show other frames it can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:15   motion look stuttery because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:17   like long long short short short long or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19   whatever it doesn't you might not notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   then lots of still images and maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22   don't notice that much in motion but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   doesn't quite look right so that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25   negative effect you don't want that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:29   asking whether it's better to handbrake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   to to encode blu-rays at 24 or 30 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:34   should encode them at whatever the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:35   frame rate of the original source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:37   material is so if it's TV show and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   a twenty nine point nine seven whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:40   encoded at that frame rate if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:42   movie and it's the 24 encoded at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:43   frame rate don't do any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:45   conversion whatever the source framer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   is keep that and what's a good digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   backup I'm assuming you mean like take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:52   it off of your class discs and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   somewhere you have to just rip the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   exactly as is no transcoding no anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   if you really want to have a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59   backup use something like make MKV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   whatever to just pull the bit the bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:02   off the disk exactly as is with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:05   conversion of format whatsoever and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   is the only digital backup then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09   have of stuff like this the best digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   backup is perhaps to buy all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:12   things in the cloud and then you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   have to worry about storing them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15   then you have to worry about the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:16   going out of business and you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:17   no way to watch that stuff anymore which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:19   leads us into our next question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:20   the next question is from Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:23   ischium John you've mentioned that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   prefer ebooks to paper books how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:26   deal with DRM slowly making your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   books inaccessible over time Benjamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   continues I quote unquote own a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32   of palm digital media books that I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34   never be able to read again so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   tricky it's a lot there was a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39   churn in the e-book business early on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   some people who made in Soul the ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44   no longer do so I worked for prom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   digital media back when we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   largest ebook store in the world if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50   can believe it this is before Hamazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:51   entered the game and many many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:55   went wrong there but anyway they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   DRM in comfort and if you purchase them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59   from the store you could read them in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00   application that was ported to all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   of different platforms so it eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:05   went down the drain and that business of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   selling ebooks went down the drain with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   it more or less and eventually you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:10   to the point where the you know the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:13   reader application which existed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   many years like doesn't even launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:16   anymore I think it's probably because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:17   it's 32-bit these days so you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   these DRM encumbered ebooks that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:22   quote-unquote own that you can no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:24   read or that you can only read on like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:25   really old Mac that can still run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:27   role to reader software or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   what to do how do you deal with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   do still prefer ebooks just for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33   convenience or whatever I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   limitations they provide but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36   convenience is worth it for me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:39   general these days you're buying ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   from one of the modern vendors most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:45   them there's some shady way for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:48   crack their DRM and to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   unencumbered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51   so you're still stuck with the format I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   can convert them to ePub or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   50 years ago you want to read your epub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:57   isn't like we have nothing they can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:58   bub epubs you know HTML died and the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:01   know the fire of the nuclear Armageddon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04   and whatever you know who knows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:05   don't be able to read your epub so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06   point is it's not DRM encumbered at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   least you're only limited by the format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:09   for palm those are media books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   specifically I don't know if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14   way to crack them you can try the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17   application calibre which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   used to crack a whole bunch of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:22   Amazon stuff with certain plugins or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:23   whatever but plums as a media ebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   were originally encrypted with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   credit card number they used to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   and if you if you don't know the credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   card number with modern computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35   hardware I can tell you that it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:36   be feasible to brute-force crack them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:39   but I don't know because this is a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:42   I don't know of any actual application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:44   that understands enough about the DRM to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47   actually brute force it but I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:48   that you could in reasonable amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   time literally brute force crack it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51   much easier if you just know your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:52   credit card number the palm eBook format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:55   was actually very simple so if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   get the data out you can easily convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   it to ePub or some other more modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   format I know that doesn't help too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   I'm sure I myself have some purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:07   palm digital media books and peanut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   press ebooks that I can no longer read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   but in most cases I also have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:15   books in epub from a different source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:16   and also in paper sitting to the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:19   than me right here so if you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:20   worried about it buy the paper copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   don't keep them in the basement that'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:24   flood because you'll lose your paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:25   books that way nothing you'd know thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5245">TS</a>]

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01:27:38   is over they didn't even need to begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:41   because it was accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:49   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52   him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:52   because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:56   accidental you can find a s ey L is s so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5276">TS</a>]

01:28:12   that's K sealless ma accion AR m auntie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:17   Marco Arment know what made me think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:40   this to be honest but obviously I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:42   been going back and forth about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:44   if I'm going to buy a car which I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:46   convinced I am actually what should I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:47   buy should I get a Jeep Wrangler should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49   I get it go go far should I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:51   something else entirely a new BMW etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:53   and it occurred to me that I think to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:57   or to some degree I am as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   particularly you to have self pigeonhole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:02   to have pigeon-holed yourselves and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:04   specific you know kinds of cars Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06   you've basically said that until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:07   something dramatic changes you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:09   be a Tesla owner until the end of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:11   John you know unless something dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14   changes like you know money raining from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:16   the skies right over your house yo your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   seemed to be an accord guy for at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20   the foreseeable future so I have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:23   each of you a question and I'll start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:26   with Marco you know if if you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:29   buy a Tesla and then I'll even broaden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32   it to if you couldn't buy an electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:35   car and and you've made a very plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:36   that that's what you prefer but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38   couldn't buy an electric car just out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:40   curiosity what would you buy so I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:43   this in the notes earlier I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:44   thinking about it this evening and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:46   unfortunately I don't really know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:48   about like what cars are available these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:50   days to have a great answer yeah what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53   has happened but I'll tell you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:54   very high on the list would be the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56   m5 because you know even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:59   doesn't have a transmission I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   I really enjoy having a fast large sedan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:06   now there's lots of options within that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:07   you know obviously you know and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:10   probably list in this list something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:13   from like Mercedes or Porsche something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   but I just don't know their lineups at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16   all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:17   ow d might be somewhere on the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:20   because honestly one thing I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   enjoy about the Tesla that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:23   expect to enjoy as much as I do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   having the nice big hatchback trunk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:28   so I know like the Audi a7 is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:32   similar in like size and and trunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   nature and also hideous yes it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:37   bad looking so yeah oh you're so I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:43   probably I would probably at least give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:44   that like a look just to see if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   tolerate it because I do I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:47   having a large facet and that is also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49   hatchback without being a wagon or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:51   SUV or a crossover so so that's great so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:55   yeah probably on the list would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56   know maybe look at the a7 maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   maybe look at the new m5 I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:00   probably look at you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   mercedes offered in the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:05   also might just consider a regular 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:06   series like a 550 or even a whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08   540 is these days I might look at those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   because you know the the m5 was it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:15   fun time in my life but I have now grown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:19   to appreciate the value of a quiet car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:23   I like having a quiet car that is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25   fast I feel like I don't need to shout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:28   to the world how fast my car is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:31   noise but ultimately when I Drive other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:36   cars now like I so I went on a trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   which is why were a couple days late and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41   on the trip I rented a Nissan Maxima and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:43   it was a perfectly nice car it had lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:46   of great features you know lots of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:47   nice little luxuries inside I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:48   happy I rented it we were somewhere very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:50   cold and I was having the heated seats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:51   but like it just feels like going so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:55   backwards to both have a gas car and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:59   have some like little entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:01   system on like a six inch screen with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03   like you know running basically DOS feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:07   to me and when I occasionally have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09   drive Tiff's car which is a modern BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11   3-series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:12   it doesn't feel modern to me anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:14   like it feels old like using I Drive you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:17   know everything about a gas car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:19   like you know starting it up putting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:20   in gear and haven't remember like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:22   actually like turn it off and lock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   like an animal yeah like it's it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:28   doesn't it just doesn't feel great to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:30   so I think if I had to get a gas car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33   again I might actually go lower end than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:38   like an m5 or something because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:41   get the enjoyment out of that anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   that I used to like it's almost it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:47   it's like well this is I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   it's like you know getting back with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:51   your high school girlfriend but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:53   really have any basis on which to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:54   that because I never really had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:56   girlfriends in high school because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   just terrible at everything so but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00   it's like I've moved past that in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   life now like I I had a great time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   loud fast cars but now I'm perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:07   happy with quiet boring more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10   cars that also happen to be fast so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:13   would probably just get something fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:16   but not too ridiculous that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   thinking maybe like a 550 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:20   mmm sure enough I I want to hate the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:25   m5 because it does use the ZF 8-speed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:29   from not mistaken which is very good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31   I I can't believe the m5 can't be had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:34   with a stick anymore but oh my word all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   the initial reviews of the new m5 zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:41   to 60 in like between 2.8 and three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   point two seconds depending on who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44   ask like it's a ninety million pound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:48   full-size sedan going to 60 in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:51   seconds like I I probably have mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53   this on the show 44 times but when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   a kid and really getting into cars I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:57   remember that like having a 0-60 time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:00   the four second range was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02   Lamborghini and Ferrari territory like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:04   nobody could get to 60 in four seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:06   and here it is this m5 will do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:09   maybe two worst case low threes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:12   yeah god it's just bananas I'll tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:15   what like you know maybe maybe one other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17   direction that I might want to go is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:18   like you know if I can't get my nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   comfort boat from space like maybe if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:25   Tiff's car could become the family car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:26   that could hold a lot and be big then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   then maybe I would I would do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   that electric currently is not very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   something small and light and fast and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   fun so you know maybe something like uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   nem - or like a caiman or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:40   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:41   like something that electric cars really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:43   can't be very well yet that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:46   interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:47   do you miss the the 1-series them ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:50   occasionally like but but not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:53   significantly like I I would love to saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:56   at some point drive the new m2 or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   the 235 like that like the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   m235i would love to drive either of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:03   those just because I they do by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:05   reviews and accounts they do sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   they're pretty fun little cars I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:10   that would be fun to drive those and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   to you know to consider those if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   couldn't have my big comfort boat but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:16   but ultimately like I I've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:19   slightly older and a lot more boring and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   I kind of just like my fast comfort boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   now so it's it's hard for me to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25   give this question an honest answer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:28   honest consideration because I just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   head's not in that space anymore yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:33   that's fair I I drove an m235i which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:36   now an m240 I and it was it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:40   great like I wouldn't say that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   anything tremendously remarkable about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:46   it it was just a fun small you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:50   nimble car which there's some to be said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:53   for that right you know it was just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:55   was really nice in that regard and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57   had a lot of fun with it alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5757">TS</a>]

01:36:00   moving on to well John you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   comments on Marcos choices not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:05   that this was really designed to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:06   an argument but but far be it for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   not give you a chance to respond any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09   thoughts I was gonna start by telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:12   Marco dieter but anyway okay my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   so the best direct replacement that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17   non electric direct replacement for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:18   Tesla is the Panamera has a hatchback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:21   the new version of Samus ugly is the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:24   one it's really fast and fun to drive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   seats four which should be adequate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28   his needs and yeah I think you would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31   think he would end up there because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:32   think it is more exciting than the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:35   five series and you know shape wise like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:38   it practically looks like a Model S at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:40   this point so I think we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:42   fun with it there's still not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:43   looking you gotta see it in person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45   not it III think they actually are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47   good-looking III didn't the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49   obviously had the weird hunchback the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   look it wasn't nice this is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   nicely proportionate when you see it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   person like the Model S which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   looks kind of dowdy in pictures when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:58   see it in person you realize it is lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5818">TS</a>]

01:36:59   and wider than you thought and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:01   nice presence in person I know because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:02   see them all over where I live yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:05   mean looking at the Islamic than shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:06   their website everything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   because I really have enjoyed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10   hatchback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:11   I would I would give this I would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   this a look but I wouldn't feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:15   about it and and everyone said like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:16   this behaves the is the least sedan like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:20   of all of the big sedans like everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   says no I'm but I mean like in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:26   not feeling heavy and like a boat right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:29   that it feels nimble and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   feels like a slightly bigger Cayman it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:33   doesn't feel like a souped up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36   Cadillac or whatever yeah they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38   they're making an electric too by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:40   way so Marco actually might be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:41   market eventually when when their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   elections come out cuz they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:44   actually have a direct electric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:45   competitor to Tesla and that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47   reason Marco will be in the Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:49   dealership well and like like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:50   their concept like the is the mission EE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:52   they're comfortable a year or two ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   that did look really cool but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   a concept and you know it's who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   what will actually ship and when it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   ship there's there's a big question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:02   charging stations like Tesla has a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   of superchargers and they keep adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06   more at a pretty remarkable rate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:09   know I know there's like the the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11   know standard based networks that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13   also out there but but Tesla has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:16   pretty big head start and they're in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   lot of places and there are places that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   I go like they now cover upstate pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:23   well like what that used to they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24   have very little coverage now they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25   great coverage like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   getting all over the place and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   anybody who comes in with with a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:32   know major long-distance electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:35   competitor is going to have a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   serious fight ahead of them to get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:38   the supercharger network well you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:40   worried about though is when the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42   they can replace the Model S because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   this is always comes out in comparison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:47   test where like one model that is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   the comparison test for the five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   running is at the end of its its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:52   generations lifetime and it's about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54   be redesigned and it comes up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:55   the newly redesigned competitor and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   loses for the first time and so yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5937">TS</a>]

01:39:00   Model S is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01   but you can't just keep the same car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:03   with minor interior and exterior tweaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:05   for 15 years you have to you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:09   come up with the next version and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:10   next version has to be better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:12   presumably everybody who's targeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:13   Tesla they've got the Model S in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   sights they know that what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:16   benchmark they have to beat and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   gonna end up beating it you know setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   aside the the charger network things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:21   Tesla but you would fully expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:24   okay well Tesla's gonna be the two with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25   the next Model S and mostly how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:27   goes I am very very curious to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:31   the heck the next Model S is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:33   they've done a lot of things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35   Model 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:35   that sound really good to me and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:38   things that sound really bad to me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:41   are they gonna carry over like the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:43   the single screen thing nope not for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:46   that does not sound good the elimination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   of the of the auto steer cruise control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:51   stock nope don't like that but things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5991">TS</a>]

01:39:54   like you know having the one giant vent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   across the top and having the way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   more responsive touchscreen that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:00   so yeah there's things I like from model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:03   3 we'll see what they actually bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:04   over right I really hope they don't ruin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:06   it the seat it seems like every Tesla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09   Model they do like almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:12   right and one thing that's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:15   dumb risk they took that didn't pay off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:18   that you know ends up being annoying or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   failure prone so like with the Model S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:21   it was the stupid pop-out door handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23   that fail constantly with the exit was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   the the weird gull wing doors that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:27   know caused them to have lots of delays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29   and issues Falcon wings please whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   yeah and then with the model three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:32   think they're weird risk they took was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   having just that one screen and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35   way too many functions rely on that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:39   screens and like you know some menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:40   there so you know who knows what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:42   gonna ruin with the next Model S I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:44   hope it's something I can tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:45   so John's challenged similar if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:50   to buy something that wasn't an accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:52   what would you buy mazda6 because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:55   about the same size it gets good reviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:57   comes with a stick-shift okay and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00   its I didn't know specifically what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   were going to say but I had a feeling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03   would be something along those lines so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   now let's assume for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:07   conversation that a two pedal car is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:10   okay just for the sake of conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12   I'm not saying this is what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:13   would that change your too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   would you choose something different no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   I've if it's okay no I would never pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:19   okay what porch was not allowed I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:23   allowed to have a stick sure let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:24   with that let's say you're not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:25   to have a stick shift I think I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:31   find myself in the one Accord that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:33   recently learned comes with an automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:35   they not the CVT once but the mom with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:37   the automatic interesting okay wait I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:39   see you later picking a course let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:43   no actually I did not specify I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45   specify but yeah good point let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   with no because let's make this more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49   interesting get you out of your comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:50   zone no no because like now we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:53   getting to spending more money than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   want to spend on a car well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57   next question we're not there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59   what's the cheapest non disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:03   automatic transmission car that it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   fit my family that I would buy I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:10   know does this the Mazda 6 come with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:12   auto sure get that yeah I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   what Erin had she had a no I know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:19   just saying like she had a 2007 mazda 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   Grand Touring it had darn near every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:23   option on it it was an automatic and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   was a phenomenal car it was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:26   really really great yeah I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:28   I'll get the Mazda 6 with automatic all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:31   right so now some you know African [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:33   Prince has died and bequeath to you all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:36   of his money but it's actually legit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:38   this time you have you know ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:41   dollars of with which you can spend on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   this car what would you buy ten million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:46   dollars I mean you have to use all ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:49   that's been part of that on the house to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:51   house the car don't worry about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:55   acorn so much I'm worried about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:58   ruined by my kids scrape and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   bicycle handles across that as I shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:01   into my little garage don't worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:03   the acorns just just worry about the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:05   let's just presume that everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   is - and you said I can't no Ferraris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:10   you're cheating you're looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12   show notes so show notes it reads as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:15   follows John has to buy one non Accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:17   what would he buy next bullet what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:19   two pedals were okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:20   next bullet okay this is in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22   notes okay fine now money is no object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:23   and it has to be two pedals no Ferraris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:26   but let's start with the Ferraris but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:28   even though we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:29   your answer to whatever the the v12 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31   yeah I was looking at you know I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:34   looking at the 48 again I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:35   48 just hasn't grown on me as much as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:37   thought it would so I'm wondering if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39   would actually get a 458 or even a 430 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:42   because I do like both of those cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:44   better but then I look at the interiors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:46   they're all kind of weird so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:47   know but like practically speaking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   I wouldn't if you only let me have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51   car I wouldn't get any of those because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:52   I can't I can't like drive that to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   every day and carry your kids kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   around then didn't go on vacations is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   just not practical it has to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6238">TS</a>]

01:43:59   your second or third or fourth car right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:01   so I'm I went back into four-door sedans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:04   then I'm gonna especially if I'm allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:09   to get a new house no just don't again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6249">TS</a>]

01:44:12   don't worry about the house they give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:13   the acorns have gone away your kids will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:15   not touch the car but it was only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:18   car I think I would end up with like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:21   AMG E Series Mercedes because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:24   s-class as much as I love it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:26   it's just I think it's just too big to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:29   be I think I would like these better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:32   because these aren't that small these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33   days I feel like they're more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:35   accord size they're really fast but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:38   are comfortable and have lots of tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:40   gadgets I'm not even sure if I'd we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:41   the AMG model frankly I'm actually end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:44   up with the non AMG model if I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:46   that was fast enough for the AMG one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6286">TS</a>]

01:44:48   squishy but I really like these and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:51   feel like they are more they're more to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:54   my taste I think then then probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:56   m5 that's that I haven't really seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:58   details about the new m5 so maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:00   were just a little and I did like Markos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:01   m5 but I just feel like all the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04   the bad vibes that you've both given me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:05   about BMWs and repair wheels and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07   everything go to the devil I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:10   and Mercedes I suppose but you would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:13   get a wagon you would get a sedan yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:15   get a sit down do you like wagons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17   principle I do I just don't think I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:20   one like we just have the two kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:21   it's not like we're going camping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:22   you know I do like wagons I would I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:24   would get a wagon over a minivan any day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:25   but I just don't feel like I need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:26   extra space up why would I get a wagon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:28   when I could just get us a man since I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30   now a car journalist I mean I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:35   considering wagons more and more with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:36   each passing day and even though as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:38   American I'm supposed to hate wagons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:40   there's something to be said for a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42   that has no business being as fast as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:45   is so I'm configuring my Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:47   Panamera excuse me it's Porsche sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:50   don't pick the the $20,000 option that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6350">TS</a>]

01:45:53   gives you like a card key fob the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:56   options that they give you are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:59   there's like first of all there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6359">TS</a>]

01:46:00   90 different options that's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02   exaggeration and the the it is ludicrous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:06   like I thought BMW was crazy with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:08   the little diamonds is the king of oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:11   god so among other things I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:12   option to add a six disc DVD changer or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:17   nice five hundred and sixty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:19   wow that's cheap I can add a USB port in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:21   the rear for four hundred and twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6381">TS</a>]

01:46:24   dollars that's just the port I can add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   fire extinguisher I don't know where or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:29   how for one hundred and eighty dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:33   like I've never seen this many options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:38   it's it's ridiculous I was watching a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:42   demurrer video recently I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6402">TS</a>]

01:46:44   talking about the like the 918 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   something but what I think was it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:49   paint car option that was 65 grand there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:51   was some there so it was like a cosmetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6411">TS</a>]

01:46:54   option that it cost more than like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:56   know most cars so I can get the the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6416">TS</a>]

01:47:00   vent slats painted for two thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:04   three hundred thirty dollars so I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:07   like the look of this interior at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:09   I bet the interior is is very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:12   highly configurable so it is very highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:14   configurable as long as you're willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:15   to spend two thousand dollars to paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:17   your air slats yeah Porsche it seen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   seems like it if you want anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:22   that's not stock it costs a huge such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:25   huge amount of money that you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:26   did they just buy the stock car and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   take out the parts and burn them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30   then put in new parts like why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:31   cost so much money god there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:34   see like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:36   holy smokes like and yeah the good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:40   is like if yeah I think John's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6460">TS</a>]

01:47:42   like it you know if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:42   customize I mean they have they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:44   like 15 different wheels you can pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:47   like there's there's so many options to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6467">TS</a>]

01:47:50   this you and a half of them I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53   understand what they would do or why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:55   would want them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:56   seat belts in chalk 616 dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:59   decorative valve stems decorative valve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6479">TS</a>]

01:48:02   stems in black with colored Porsche [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6482">TS</a>]

01:48:04   crest $70 that's that might be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:07   cheapest thing on this entire list oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:12   god it's amazing and this is starting at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:14   150,000 for the Porsche Panamera Turbo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:16   executive oh I didn't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:18   executive I stopped at the 4s which my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:21   configuration is 124,000 and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6501">TS</a>]

01:48:26   even gotten like you know like good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28   seats and everything I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   like a game with the poor top is it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:32   just you want to get the one with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:33   good engine right and then after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:36   you want to pick like two things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:39   are important to you everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41   except stock I think the real answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:45   here is you want to buy these used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:47   because like you know used cars you tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:49   to you tend to get a lot of the options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:51   basically for free it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54   it's like you don't you know if you spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:55   up a cart like though the use pricing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57   based on not all the options is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:59   like the engine trim level year and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:01   legs like that's a that's about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:04   like the way to get any of these cars if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:06   you want a lot of options is to guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:08   wait for a used one to come up that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   a lot of options that someone else took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:11   a bath on and you get those pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:14   nicely I think I mentioned there's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:16   like rolls-royce uh Mercedes last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17   we talked about it but I'm just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:18   surprised that these companies stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6558">TS</a>]

01:49:20   this I mean I suppose there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:21   attraction to the the high-end clientele [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6561">TS</a>]

01:49:24   if being able to customize everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:25   especially like on Bentley enrolls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:27   stuff but as Marco is noted in is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:30   salad power user you know diatribe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:36   paralysis of choice I would be terrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6576">TS</a>]

01:49:38   that I would be accidentally configuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:40   the world's ugliest rolls-royce right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:42   because you have you can choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:43   everything every kind of every material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6583">TS</a>]

01:49:45   every surface every color everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:47   it's like don't don't trust me to design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:50   it especially if they have not-so-great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52   visualization it's like I paid through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:54   and 50 grand for this mentally and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:56   looks like a clown car cuz I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:57   think about how this color leather would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6597">TS</a>]

01:50:00   look with this color stitching would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:01   look with this material because I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:02   a car interior designer just give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:04   some presets like Marco wants for salads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:06   and then maybe I'll say let me give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6606">TS</a>]

01:50:09   preset and then a little tweak one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:11   or something cuz I think I scare you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6611">TS</a>]

01:50:13   mean I think it mostly nerves in my how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:15   scary it would be to buy a car sight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6615">TS</a>]

01:50:17   unseen like you've never seen a car with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:19   this materials you've never sat down you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:20   don't know what it's gonna look like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6620">TS</a>]

01:50:21   don't know how it's gonna feel and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   picking from a menu terrifying so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   wonder which people have like other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:27   people configure their cars for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:28   right or they just say oh I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSWqkTo/6628">TS</a>]

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