Roderick on the Line

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

◼   ► hmm

◼   ► SuperDuper

◼   ► um late because I got I got to head

◼   ► strong I thought I could run an errand

◼   ► oh yeah late 9 1 1 where's the late

◼   ► crown yeah I'm all right 9 1 1 joke in

◼   ► your town yeah

◼   ► what was your errand oh it's not very

◼   ► interesting go to the bread store for

◼   ► some bread no no no no I went to the the

◼   ► ATM oh hey Jim sometimes you couldn't

◼   ► need some cash around the house tonight

◼   ► I don't like not having cash yeah these

◼   ► millenniums they love everything on a

◼   ► card I know they do it all on their

◼   ► thermostat uh it needs to stop John I

◼   ► need to stop the card thing needs to we

◼   ► just need you to pump the brakes

◼   ► hmm but anyway sorry obvious I don't

◼   ► usually talk about the show on the show

◼   ► but I ran a little late and so now I

◼   ► need to walk over here dry company oh

◼   ► you're drinking the brand name seltzer

◼   ► taste for Canada dry and it's become a

◼   ► monkey on my back yeah cuz all those

◼   ► years ago also you would got this just

◼   ► like the Kroger okay so we should

◼   ► probably just do a whole episode about

◼   ► water at some point cuz I it's been a

◼   ► journey for me I have some issues yeah

◼   ► well what okay so when I first got into

◼   ► sparkling water slash seltzer water

◼   ► slash soda water it's a regional thing I

◼   ► guess

◼   ► I used to get it in like Safeway 12

◼   ► packs and ran out of business still a

◼   ► point when I would drive a car around

◼   ► like an animal and then I I discovered

◼   ► that you could get Safeway encases yep

◼   ► yep and then I discovered that the

◼   ► Safeway delivery people would

◼   ► theoretically deliver things to your

◼   ► house for a nominal fee

◼   ► it's like a back alley dealers oh this

◼   ► is this is the seltzer hack for show so

◼   ► I got the wrong keyboard and all my

◼   ► document open holy shit so what I did

◼   ► was I discovered I'd like you to put a

◼   ► fork they're in the wrong keyboard I

◼   ► have to revisit that put it in the

◼   ► document wrong the wrong keyboard for

◼   ► old times sake I should use the old keep

◼   ► I'm a regular keyboard okay no no I

◼   ► don't make noise people email us um so

◼   ► what I discovered was a seltzer hack

◼   ► which was you could contact the Safeway

◼   ► company of Pleasanton California and you

◼   ► could say hey icebox chocolate cake and

◼   ► 18 cases of Sultan do you have to talk

◼   ► to them like Randy Newman character the

◼   ► guy who goes into the corner store he's

◼   ► like oh I'm so thirsty today I wonder

◼   ► what I should have this morning in my

◼   ► case I'm like yeah you know why don't

◼   ► you give me some of those give me some

◼   ► of those all right a french fries okay

◼   ► flank steak is good I got 18 cases of

◼   ► seltzer and they will deliver it to your

◼   ► oh they hate it they hate it cuz this is

◼   ► back in the day so this is you know lots

◼   ► this lots happened in the years since

◼   ► since this this went down but this is

◼   ► when Safeway was trying to do their own

◼   ► offering they still do this but they're

◼   ► getting their bike kicked by all the

◼   ► other companies

◼   ► but a man and a Safeway truck would come

◼   ► to your house and man he was fuckin

◼   ► hating life cuz Lee idea well you know

◼   ► normally you're like oh you know could I

◼   ► get a loaf of bread and a stick of

◼   ► butter and they come out and they give

◼   ► you a nice little bag to milk stick of

◼   ► butter tick chip the cap is just staples

◼   ► then what they were not expecting was

◼   ► the life hack guy asking for 18 cases of

◼   ► seltzer and then ask you please stack

◼   ► them up in this area of my garage please

◼   ► and thank you it's not pallet I mean how

◼   ► many is 18 cases I don't know if I've

◼   ► seen that in a long time it's more than

◼   ► the guy with the little back brace

◼   ► really feels like bring it into your

◼   ► house yeah and so then now I still

◼   ► continue this to this day because I

◼   ► fight this I fight the system the system

◼   ► does not want me to get heavy objects

◼   ► you know they want me to get the dainty

◼   ► bag sure now and pay the fee we're happy

◼   ► to home deliver toilet paper to you well

◼   ► they'll bring you a few but you know

◼   ► let's not abuse the system right it's

◼   ► like I'm like the guy with that

◼   ► all-you-can-eat salad bar wearing waders

◼   ► and like just stuffing mashed potatoes

◼   ► into my pants and so but since sometimes

◼   ► you got to be strategic about it and you

◼   ► got it you do an orbit and you say I

◼   ► want 18 18 cases of seltzer and they

◼   ► show up they go sorry brah they didn't

◼   ► have any seltzer and you're like really

◼   ► you didn't have any seltzer and so I

◼   ► have to start doing competitive ordering

◼   ► where I might do two to three orders in

◼   ► a day hitting the minimum until I got

◼   ► you follow me here so let's say let's

◼   ► say the minimum is $30.00 you pay attend

◼   ► or fee or whatever I didn't have the

◼   ► first time I do it a second time

◼   ► I keep scheduling I keep scheduling I

◼   ► still do that to this day I am prepared

◼   ► at this point to open a back channel

◼   ► with the Canada Dry company to say look

◼   ► I treat me like a restaurant like I am

◼   ► probably the single largest consumer of

◼   ► this let's bypass the middleman a little

◼   ► premium but like you know across your

◼   ► palm but I want some fucking Canada Dry

◼   ► original sparkling seltzer water 12

◼   ► fluid ounces I want that in large large

◼   ► amounts at my house there's got to be a

◼   ► distribution center somewhere in the Bay

◼   ► Area yeah where the you know where the

◼   ► big truck pulls up and it's like when

◼   ► Axel Foley is is hijacking or intercept

◼   ► the hijacked truck full of cigarettes at

◼   ► the beginning yes diehard or whatever

◼   ► yeah the one it's him the other guy it's

◼   ► the one he buys the carton of cigarettes

◼   ► yeah Axel Foley there's gotta be some

◼   ► deal you can make some like you know

◼   ► stack of money gets exchanged and a guy

◼   ► opens up the back of a semi-trailer and

◼   ► right full of Canada drive well okay so

◼   ► so this is an interesting twist on the

◼   ► decongestant problem okay cuz you think

◼   ► about the glory days and you know about

◼   ► my glory days I know I got a spreadsheet

◼   ► about ephedra I still hope yeah I rode

◼   ► that wave with you for a little brother

◼   ► so you could go time was you could go

◼   ► get yourself a dollar nine malt liquor

◼   ► and you get yourself a bottle and I

◼   ► think it was a hundred twenty-five

◼   ► milligram ephedrine the ephedra I think

◼   ► it was $2.99 for a hundred mmm overtime

◼   ► that went up eventually they made it

◼   ► illegal and today if you want to be able

◼   ► to breathe and I'm the JIT wanna breathe

◼   ► I want that claret indeed

◼   ► I gotta go with me both right so I have

◼   ► to go to the pharmacist window where for

◼   ► some reason they're a little higher up

◼   ► than me not a fan okay they're looking

◼   ► down on me when I see your driver's

◼   ► license for your 30 tablets of clarity I

◼   ► was like what's the jam up on this is

◼   ► this so people won't make you know

◼   ► Walter White meth and they're like yeah

◼   ► we can't you can't buy if you buy this

◼   ► more than twice in a month federal

◼   ► agents will come to your house right Wow

◼   ► now here's the thing I kind of get that

◼   ► it's sort of I was telling me we have

◼   ► traveled recently and I was telling my

◼   ► daughter about TSA and you know one time

◼   ► somebody had a kind of like a bomb in

◼   ► their shoes so now we take our shoes off

◼   ► and one time somebody had some liquid

◼   ► and that's why we can't have liquids

◼   ► right for liquid yeah yeah yeah but I

◼   ► mean like how much meth can you really

◼   ► make with 60 claritin DS not very much

◼   ► at all I mean so many of the decisions

◼   ► we make now as people are based on that

◼   ► the absolute worst okay thing that a

◼   ► single like lowest common denominator

◼   ► person will do right in to none in the

◼   ► nature can do can write this down dumb

◼   ► pretty good numbness thermometer

◼   ► denominator

◼   ► but in that case in that case here's the

◼   ► thing now I'm in convenience I'm not

◼   ► trying to make meth sure I'd love to

◼   ► abuse stimulants I'd be super into it

◼   ► but I can't so I've made my peace now I

◼   ► get my claritin once a month because I

◼   ► don't want federal agents of my house I

◼   ► don't want to you know have a problem

◼   ► but here's the thing ninety nine point

◼   ► how many nines of people out there just

◼   ► won't fucking claret and so they can

◼   ► breathe

◼   ► yeah in the same way most people you

◼   ► think about buying Canada dry original

◼   ► sparkling seltzer water you're buying

◼   ► that for a party would you buy you're

◼   ► gonna buy one to another bottle of that

◼   ► it's it's like it's like Vernors

◼   ► ginger-ale

◼   ► or what caffeine free diet coke it's

◼   ► something for the weirdos that want to

◼   ► mix a drink yeah but you know what it is

◼   ► I bet you it's some of these flat

◼   ► earthers are using bulk canada dry to

◼   ► power their low orbit spacecraft huh we

◼   ► laughed we laughed at that guy but he

◼   ► got it off the ground

◼   ► sure he did and do you know it was steam

◼   ► powered right yeah so I think so I think

◼   ► yeah the steam had a steam power steam

◼   ► punk rocket yeah so how far is it before

◼   ► we realize that oh no it's just it's

◼   ► like frizzy water-powered that's the

◼   ► real way that's what Elon Musk has been

◼   ► working on this whole time that's why

◼   ► they don't want to give you a pallet of

◼   ► flavorless pop oh you think it's big

◼   ► space I think it's big space they're

◼   ► putting the kibosh on your on your

◼   ► garage so what's he building in their

◼   ► situation hmm get to the fireworks

◼   ► factory yeah and so now here's the

◼   ► situation now is I do have a gig economy

◼   ► service that I use to have these things

◼   ► delivered to my house but here's the

◼   ► thing now Canada Dry has made the move

◼   ► of now putting them they don't they

◼   ► don't have cases a Canada Dry can't buy

◼   ► kids can it dry time was a man a grown

◼   ► man grown-ass man in his early 50s could

◼   ► buy a gentleman's 12-pack of Canada Oh

◼   ► guess what they're doing now now they're

◼   ► getting cute and now they're they have

◼   ► eight packs

◼   ► John John they sell you in a cardboard

◼   ► eight pack and the little dispenser

◼   ► doesn't even you heard me struggling did

◼   ► you hear me struggling over there what

◼   ► they're trying to get was that from an

◼   ► eight pack that's from an eight pack I'm

◼   ► stuck with eight packs now like an

◼   ► animal I've never heard of an eight pack

◼   ► eight pack mm-hmm

◼   ► mm-hmm and I don't get from Safeway

◼   ► anymore because my gig economy service

◼   ► they have the the charge a premium for

◼   ► going to Safeway fuck Safeway in the eye

◼   ► to begin with I'm a Molly stones man all

◼   ► right I don't wanna make it creepy I

◼   ► don't even know what that is what's that

◼   ► pussy when I go to in Seattle the what's

◼   ► your kind of nice grocery store Oh we'll

◼   ► see how is just built on kind of nice

◼   ► grocery stores now but are you talking

◼   ► about the QFC probably the place that

◼   ► has flowers and we bought some steaks

◼   ► there

◼   ► yeah QFC probably they're owned by

◼   ► somebody now I don't know if you sure

◼   ► they're not independent anymore but then

◼   ► we have the you know we've got the coop

◼   ► and we've got the other co-op market you

◼   ► know the like how many fancy olives do

◼   ► you want store only get olive barge on

◼   ► you can we've got more olives than the

◼   ► other place stuff it with blue cheese so

◼   ► now I'm in a situation where I got a

◼   ► monkey on my back and I got them down

◼   ► right on my butt so now I've got room or

◼   ► a Rebecca De Mornay is the actress right

◼   ► right okay it's a Monet yeah Mon I got a

◼   ► Monet up close it looks like a bargain

◼   ► but the so now we're stuck with this

◼   ► with the lobster cuz also I like though

◼   ► here's the problem I'm a connoisseur

◼   ► John I like the flavor I like the

◼   ► mouthfeel of Canada Dry it's better than

◼   ► the generics yeah it has a slightly

◼   ► sweet aspect to it maybe because of

◼   ► where they source their water it's sweet

◼   ► water it's sweet well it's not sweet

◼   ► it's not like that fucking vitamin water

◼   ► bullshit like just have a coke

◼   ► like you know in this case but you're

◼   ► thinking like the booth has it has a

◼   ► cool sweet round quality to it utterly

◼   ► lacking in the other generics or let's

◼   ► be honest the other premium products how

◼   ► well speaking of which I have a good

◼   ► friend who is addicted well let me roll

◼   ► that back Wow I have I live in a culture

◼   ► now of people who are addicted to the

◼   ► Lacroix brand of a mildly flavored I

◼   ► don't understand how that has become

◼   ► such a lifestyle

◼   ► I understand how that is that people

◼   ► have taken up the mantle of Lacroix and

◼   ► something it's like vaping it's like

◼   ► just don't understand like how that

◼   ► became such a thing I have a gal pal who

◼   ► is a motorcycle adventure person and her

◼   ► online handle is hookers and popcorn

◼   ► that's her tag that's her her brand her

◼   ► what would you call it not her avatar

◼   ► I guess handle let's call it hands on

◼   ► handle and under the handle hookers and

◼   ► popcorn she does all kinds of motorcycle

◼   ► he stunts and lifestyle events she goes

◼   ► into adventures and does adventury

◼   ► things she jumps around mm-hmm

◼   ► sometimes we'll ride a motorcycle

◼   ► standing on it seem very safe it's not

◼   ► she does unsafe things that's a that's

◼   ► another that's unsafe photos on on the

◼   ► Instagram she does unsafe things puts

◼   ► photos up of them and then it's she's

◼   ► you know she's not saying that she's a

◼   ► role model you know if you go jump on

◼   ► your motorcycle in sparkly underwear and

◼   ► riding standing up over a cliff like

◼   ► that's your problem the fact that she

◼   ► has a trained eagle that grabbed her

◼   ► right at the last minute and flew her

◼   ► off to a Mesa where she had a ayahuasca

◼   ► ceremony does not mean that that's gonna

◼   ► happen to you

◼   ► and she's a member of a culture of

◼   ► people who are lifestyle purveyors she

◼   ► said she has a lifestyle brand I think

◼   ► so

◼   ► I mean she resists it or maybe resisted

◼   ► it put it that way no no no but but you

◼   ► know you she often is in a group of

◼   ► people and they're all like whoa check

◼   ► me and they're all doing like amazing

◼   ► things they're all like stunt

◼   ► motorcyclists and skateboarders you know

◼   ► the group they're basically all

◼   ► skateboarders let's be honest but

◼   ► skateboarders of cars but and it's

◼   ► amazing believe me they truly do amazing

◼   ► things it's just that like there's

◼   ► always a drone flying around somebody's

◼   ► jumping their motorcycle this is a

◼   ► there's like that one guy looks like a

◼   ► frog on YouTube and he's real popular

◼   ► and he he takes his Canon camera out and

◼   ► he jumps canyons and stuff and yeah

◼   ► enjoy life and you are a la

◼   ► you're alive exactly yeah they all have

◼   ► like like a million followers and I

◼   ► don't know what happens people give them

◼   ► stuff okay and you know me I've been

◼   ► living on Reds vitamin C and cocaine for

◼   ► many years and and I never you know I

◼   ► don't turn my nose up at a swag bag you

◼   ► know I think coffee

◼   ► that's how can my coffee but like

◼   ► nobody's giving me a motorcycle mm-hmm

◼   ► and I'm not saying anybody's given them

◼   ► motorcycles either yeah but uh oh and

◼   ► also the we got to talk about the Gibson

◼   ► Company later oh shit dog I saw that and

◼   ► thought wrong keyboard worst thing with

◼   ► a common denominator

◼   ► yeah and Gibson was yo they got was

◼   ► buddy you saw this cut you saw that

◼   ► coming miles off I did have been talking

◼   ► about the factory thing you were

◼   ► disappointed yes yes it's on the list I

◼   ► got it but she drinks 80 Lacroix a day

◼   ► mmm

◼   ► I think so she'll often send a

◼   ► photograph of the floor bed of her you

◼   ► know the foot wells of her truck as she

◼   ► drives across America from one adventure

◼   ► to the next in a never-ending

◼   ► constellation of string of pearls of

◼   ► outrageous adventures and the footwell

◼   ► of her truck will be like like ankle

◼   ► deep in

◼   ► Lucroy cans and I don't think you're

◼   ► throwing those Lacroix cans down there

◼   ► half full that would be a mess I think

◼   ► she's finishing them off she's not doing

◼   ► what we used to do and I don't see

◼   ► people do this very often anymore where

◼   ► you finish a can of something and you

◼   ► crush it yeah as part of finishing it

◼   ► did you ever do that I do it now because

◼   ► I'm a super recycler and I need every

◼   ► square inch every cubic inch and you

◼   ► have that problem I remember the last

◼   ► time I spent any you know stayed

◼   ► multiple nights at your home there was

◼   ► the constant problem of where is the can

◼   ► of sparkling water I was most recently

◼   ► drinking oh yeah yeah there's like

◼   ► there's cans on top of everything and

◼   ► it's like oh shit and they're all

◼   ► half-full when I did my afternoon

◼   ► cleanup yesterday I tried to clean up in

◼   ► the afternoon get ready for the dinner

◼   ► hour get everything prepped

◼   ► and I go in and I clean up any cans that

◼   ► around I had I had three 3/4 full cans

◼   ► that's that's how you know you got a

◼   ► problem cuz the fizz is done at that

◼   ► point but I feel like she has been

◼   ► trying to get Lacroix to start backing

◼   ► up the Lacroix truck

◼   ► but I think they don't I don't think

◼   ► they do it because I feel like there's

◼   ► probably within the Lacroix cult uh-huh

◼   ► I don't know if they need it know

◼   ► everybody's drinking that stuff they

◼   ► don't need any advertising they don't

◼   ► need anybody jumping motorcycles

◼   ► drinking a la croix she's making some of

◼   ► these photos John or part naked yeah

◼   ► yeah I mean not everybody in the

◼   ► lifestyle brand circuit she finds

◼   ► herself naked in a lot of unusual

◼   ► situations

◼   ► she's busy having adventures a lot of

◼   ► public John be aware of this I just got

◼   ► a pan sparked off in this one she's not

◼   ► a she's not a role model she's a she

◼   ► never said that no she's doing her own

◼   ► thing in her own in her own time

◼   ► she's making stuff up as she goes but

◼   ► she's you know she truly does do some

◼   ► she lays on the ground a lot hairball

◼   ► stuff that's one of her that's one of

◼   ► her things she does the like I'm

◼   ► facedown dead on the ground some

◼   ► somewhere okay it's it's a kids over

◼   ► time you know everybody's got a little

◼   ► bit and when you follow people's bits

◼   ► yeah over time you're like yeah she was

◼   ► like she laid down in front of a

◼   ► farmhouse here and did a dead dead girl

◼   ► thing she seems pretty good at this

◼   ► yeah she's good she has she's good she's

◼   ► good she's good people but but but you

◼   ► know though it's the Lacroix really that

◼   ► is the manure think she'd be like reppin

◼   ► all these heavy brands like sports gear

◼   ► and you know all that the people that

◼   ► are doing like adventure sports stuff it

◼   ► seems like they're always going holding

◼   ► up their K twos and being like I did it

◼   ► you know mountain dew or whatever you

◼   ► know they're like you know or you'd find

◼   ► some kind of bespoke upstart brand that

◼   ► needs a motorcycle lady you know that

◼   ► could really benefit from being part of

◼   ► that that branding

◼   ► I'm just saying Lacroix is pretty

◼   ► well-established yeah but but she's not

◼   ► doing it to get I don't think she's

◼   ► she's just like addicted to Lacroix the

◼   ► point of this story signs I don't well

◼   ► no it's that what's directly to your

◼   ► point I don't understand to any of you

◼   ► how you get addicted to fizzy water

◼   ► it's got no caffeine in it it's got no

◼   ► sugar in it it's got no what is it doing

◼   ► to you like I'll have it I'll have a

◼   ► soda water when I'm with you uh-huh but

◼   ► like I don't think your haven't you're

◼   ► having a can of Safeway Seltzer in the

◼   ► interview in my yard that one time they

◼   ► get a coffee you got a coffee maybe at a

◼   ► coffee out of salts or something like

◼   ► that I have a theory I think I think

◼   ► part of it is and I got into this with

◼   ► the when I was doing the SodaStream

◼   ► family of products is if you're somebody

◼   ► who enjoys sparkling water you I think

◼   ► increasingly you're chasing the dragon

◼   ► you like that burn you you like that

◼   ► super strong fizz it doesn't hurt but I

◼   ► mean think about you and hydrogen

◼   ► peroxide another monkey you got on my

◼   ► back don't you like that feeling you

◼   ► swish it around it burns a little bit

◼   ► you got canker sore you I really got in

◼   ► there yeah yeah I like that burn I like

◼   ► any kind of burn any anything you put on

◼   ► something and it hurts see yeah see

◼   ► that's it's the healing it do you want

◼   ► that with grapefruit you know what my

◼   ► lady likes the Pomplamoose that's her

◼   ► favorite of the lowboys did you did you

◼   ► know that the medication that I'm taking

◼   ► it is contraindicated to eat grapefruit

◼   ► oh the devil you say yeah something I

◼   ► don't know what and this is the miracles

◼   ► of the world this is chemistry somehow

◼   ► if you eat grapefruit

◼   ► it makes the medicine not work is it is

◼   ► it contraindicated by other hand fruit

◼   ► and citrus some special something

◼   ► special about fruit yeah and the thing

◼   ► is I didn't even know that medical

◼   ► people and pharmacologists were even

◼   ► paying that close of it

◼   ► attention to stuff like how would they

◼   ► have even figured that out I feel like

◼   ► it's the thing where somebody was like

◼   ► grapefruit fiend and they said my

◼   ► medicine doesn't work and they they put

◼   ► it together but like are they just

◼   ► testing it how did they even test that

◼   ► I'm on the WebMD page for interactions

◼   ► for the fruit grapefruit and there's a

◼   ► lot of interactions between grapefruit

◼   ► and other things

◼   ► Oh sister you're not gonna you wouldn't

◼   ► believe how many there are

◼   ► Buse buspar coreg propyl Sid and now for

◼   ► now I think that's one of the stay awake

◼   ► drugs

◼   ► dextromethorphan oh that's we have a

◼   ► tussin you can't have dextromethorphan

◼   ► the body breaks down

◼   ► dextromethorphan to get rid of a

◼   ► grapefruit might decrease how quickly

◼   ► the body breaks down dextromethorphan

◼   ► you're drinking juice might increase the

◼   ► effects and side effects of it yeah

◼   ► oh so it's it's an antagonist an agonist

◼   ► yeah it's and as a multiplier fer for

◼   ► cough syrup some things it forced

◼   ► multiplies some things that antagonizes

◼   ► interesting but you know don't mess

◼   ► around with Leroy Brown yeah as you know

◼   ► a Pomplamoose lover myself because I

◼   ► like anything that burns I like anything

◼   ► that hurts

◼   ► uh-huh and major oh there's major in

◼   ► Russia's I'm not sending this link this

◼   ► is crazy John you know but I but I don't

◼   ► I've never gotten on the the personal

◼   ► fizzy water train and I did get I did

◼   ► get one of those soda streams and I did

◼   ► make my own fizzy water for a long time

◼   ► before I just like everybody that buys a

◼   ► thing like that just sort of got bored

◼   ► of it but I but it's not a thing like I

◼   ► don't do that thing that you or jenni

◼   ► like it does with the would like I need

◼   ► this in profusion how many do you drink

◼   ► an entire 12 pack a day

◼   ► uh-huh and that's a real screwed up now

◼   ► with the eight packs I don't even have a

◼   ► way of like easily knowing how many I've

◼   ► had now you can't get a 12 pack there

◼   ► they don't sell anymore they've redone

◼   ► it they've repackaged it oh yeah no but

◼   ► here's this is the indication that

◼   ► you're a user is that I'm never out

◼   ► uh-huh

◼   ► I'm and I'm always I'm always stocked up

◼   ► I'm saying

◼   ► so I mean IIIi think it's it's one of

◼   ► those things like chain-smoking where

◼   ► you're never not doing the thing unless

◼   ► there's a reason or you know admonition

◼   ► from doing the thing like I've always

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◼   ► with this ever sticks I got you know for

◼   ► long time I would get the cans and then

◼   ► on haul I should do the Soda Stream and

◼   ► of course then you know III think I

◼   ► became in our circle somewhat well known

◼   ► ya for doing the SodaStream that's part

◼   ► of your brain know that it matters but

◼   ► like no I would make it I was really

◼   ► into it and I got really into it I got

◼   ► extra bottles and then pretty soon I was

◼   ► getting into a situation where I was

◼   ► remodeled because he wanted a stockpile

◼   ► he got a stockpile I'm not gonna be out

◼   ► of it but then of course we got a kid

◼   ► and you can't do that at night it wakes

◼   ► up the whole household and then III I

◼   ► passed the Rubicon II and sticks which

◼   ► is that at this point is like okay this

◼   ► isn't really practical there's too many

◼   ► like bottles that have to be washed and

◼   ► there's the Rubicon Amitha Cobo them

◼   ► yeah go both ways

◼   ► mm-hmm a pill yeah anyway so that's how

◼   ► I got back into the cans and then

◼   ► eventually in the fullness of time I

◼   ► discovered the Canada Drive brand and I

◼   ► started now you know there's a problem

◼   ► so now I'm not they're trying to buy

◼   ► like the Mickey Mouse LSD like I had to

◼   ► have a special kind of fizzy

◼   ► it's just you know I don't have places

◼   ► to talk about this so this is an

◼   ► opportunity to the ATM in order to pay

◼   ► your dealer anyway what's the worst

◼   ► thing I type this really don't talk

◼   ► about Gibson was the wrong keyboard or

◼   ► the worst thing to do with a common

◼   ► denominator well let me ask you first of

◼   ► all I this is the only I'm always amazed

◼   ► as you know yeah by computer people and

◼   ► by their their ups and downs their ins

◼   ► and outs their foibles their you know

◼   ► their common little like keychains that

◼   ► they hand to one another it must seem

◼   ► very odd to you and you have for a long

◼   ► time you were my number one computer guy

◼   ► the one that was that would explain all

◼   ► the computers to me and when I would say

◼   ► what the what the world you would say oh

◼   ► well that's just this or this is just

◼   ► that oh thank you I like to think of it

◼   ► John is I think I I feel this is true

◼   ► for myself with technology for a long

◼   ► time and I know it's true with other

◼   ► people who instruct me which is like I

◼   ► just I don't need to know everything

◼   ► about this at a high level let me know

◼   ► if this is something I need to know

◼   ► about and if it is or something I just

◼   ► need to not worry about or think about

◼   ► right and if it is something I might

◼   ► want to be interested in can you just

◼   ► give me some bullets to just sort of a

◼   ► quaint need to kind of be my personal

◼   ► Wikipedia for letting me know like if

◼   ► I'm in the ballpark for getting near

◼   ► understanding of this thing so I can say

◼   ► to you like oh you don't need to worry

◼   ► about that yeah you don't need to sign

◼   ► up for that service that's silly don't

◼   ► do that you did that a lot for me you

◼   ► would say that's not a thing that you

◼   ► care about and I would say butBut and

◼   ► you'd say no yeah don't worry don't

◼   ► worry don't worry if that ever becomes a

◼   ► thing that you need to know about you'll

◼   ► know about it and I was like great

◼   ► awesome but there are still things that

◼   ► amaze me all the time I had a question

◼   ► about for instance last night it seemed

◼   ► like when I got home I

◼   ► on the internet to look at things as you

◼   ► do and it seemed like everyone that I

◼   ► knew and everyone in the world well

◼   ► everyone was watching Jesus Christ

◼   ► Superstar on the television yes and my

◼   ► question was not like why because

◼   ► obviously Jesus Christ Superstar is

◼   ► amazing and and and this was a live

◼   ► production of it live streaming on TV

◼   ► yeah they did they did a live production

◼   ► of it

◼   ► for the East Coast and the west coast so

◼   ► they did it twice but oh oh really in

◼   ► both times it was a different

◼   ► performance I think so typically when

◼   ► NBC does these live things that they

◼   ► tend to do it twice and judging by the

◼   ► way Judah's kind of screwed up the

◼   ► lyrics for know he did fine but it was a

◼   ► loud room I think he lost the cadence a

◼   ► little bit but that guy was good where

◼   ► was the performance taking place I want

◼   ► to say the Los Angeles area so here's my

◼   ► question I do not remember in the last

◼   ► five days everybody saying we're all

◼   ► gonna watch Jesus Christ Superstar on TV

◼   ► right everybody came out of nowhere it

◼   ► came out of nowhere and everyone seemed

◼   ► to be watching it I hadn't heard about

◼   ► it and also I think if I had heard about

◼   ► it like the premise wouldn't have

◼   ► necessarily been super enticing like Oh

◼   ► NBC is gonna do a live Jesus Christ

◼   ► Superstar I would have been like you

◼   ► know what you wouldn't like clear your

◼   ► schedule for that if you know about two

◼   ► weeks ahead yeah like there's a lot of

◼   ► stuff going on that you can watch on TV

◼   ► and and yet it seemed like everybody

◼   ► just agreed offline or in a secret news

◼   ► group oh we're all gonna watch this

◼   ► thing and we're all gonna like live

◼   ► comment on it and I understand when it's

◼   ► the Oscars or something yeah that

◼   ► everybody's on everybody's watching the

◼   ► Oscars it's just understood that you're

◼   ► gonna do it

◼   ► that was an example of a cultural moment

◼   ► where where I was like okay do I follow

◼   ► 400 people who just all are really into

◼   ► musical theater is that that's not

◼   ► unlikely and it's not impossible

◼   ► like what was like where did this come

◼   ► from and when it came where it came from

◼   ► is it more about an interesting a live

◼   ► event is it about the the theatre part

◼   ► is it about you're curious about this

◼   ► production like what how did it become

◼   ► such a phenom yeah do you have any

◼   ► insight into that

◼   ► for me yeah I mean I think just because

◼   ► of my own way in with it was I had not

◼   ► heard about this at all yeah at all and

◼   ► then mmm I saw a couple people on

◼   ► political Twitter making jokes about

◼   ► Jesus Christ Superstar and referencing

◼   ► mr. shows Jeepers Creepers and and I

◼   ► thought that's kind of weird everybody's

◼   ► mentioning that and then it didn't seem

◼   ► like it was until like I think Saturday

◼   ► night Sunday morning that I was even

◼   ► aware that this was gonna be a thing I

◼   ► don't know I don't know where I mean I

◼   ► just there's a testament to this is the

◼   ► fact that when I did flip it on at 7:58

◼   ► last night there was a show where Steve

◼   ► Harvey talks to talented children - oh I

◼   ► didn't know existed because I don't know

◼   ► I don't know most TV exists not cuz I'm

◼   ► a snob but just cuz that's the nature of

◼   ► TV today let's find out about it and I

◼   ► am a fan of I mean I guess I'm a fan of

◼   ► the musical I'm really a super fan of a

◼   ► handful of the songs yeah and my

◼   ► daughter is getting more into what you

◼   ► could generally call musical theater I

◼   ► mean she likes some musicals a lot and

◼   ► especially some kind of like especially

◼   ► stage II things a lot I thought you know

◼   ► this could be fun she doesn't know if

◼   ► Jesus I had to give her a lot of like

◼   ► backstory on what's happening with Judas

◼   ► Jesus backstory yeah basically said

◼   ► Judas Judas in this is good apart from

◼   ► also being a black guy Judas and this is

◼   ► kind of like Aaron Burr and Hamilton

◼   ► he's the ring he sort of down to earth

◼   ► he's worried about being practical yeah

◼   ► but no that's the time I found out about

◼   ► it we watched it I let her watch a

◼   ► little bit of it she got to see Caiaphas

◼   ► in the shed to go to bed I know a lot

◼   ► about Steve Harvey mm-hmm

◼   ► because I follow do you know Vic burger

◼   ► is well he makes the funny videos right

◼   ► he makes the funny videos yeah Joey

◼   ► knows about Kenan Thompson's

◼   ► impersonation of him from Sarah alive

◼   ► that's the guy that the guy you like I'm

◼   ► Sara alive is impersonated he Victor gur

◼   ► makes little videos oh my gosh so funny

◼   ► his Jim Baker it is oh my god they're

◼   ► they're awful

◼   ► but his Steve Harvey videos are are also

◼   ► he hasn't made one in a while but

◼   ► they're very fun and so I have a so I

◼   ► became aware of Steve Harvey and then

◼   ► you know did a little background

◼   ► research on him to know what the hell I

◼   ► was looking at the Jim Baker food

◼   ► buckets that's that is a very very funny

◼   ► assist ivar he's like he's kind of a

◼   ► throwback maybe a little bit along the

◼   ► lines of Chris Hardwick kind of a

◼   ► throwback to a kind of character you

◼   ► don't see as much anymore actually the

◼   ► kind of character I always thought you

◼   ► should aspire to be which is a TV

◼   ► personality you got people who just show

◼   ► up and do stuff in different places and

◼   ► sometimes they have a regular show or

◼   ► another regular show but they're just

◼   ► like a fixture of TV to a mental says

◼   ► disparagingly but to administer your

◼   ► mind you go oh look that Steve Harvey

◼   ► he's doing another thing yeah sort of

◼   ► like what sort of like I don't say Paul

◼   ► Lin but sort of like along the lines of

◼   ► somebody you would see on Mike Douglas

◼   ► you know who might host you know battle

◼   ► the network stars or something

◼   ► I mean that that world doesn't exist

◼   ► anymore and I and that's kind of the

◼   ► thing that confuses me about this thing

◼   ► that you watched last night because it

◼   ► feels like a throwback to a time when

◼   ► everybody sat down to watch the day

◼   ► after no you're gonna watch the one

◼   ► you're gonna watch the show where

◼   ► there's not that much event viewing

◼   ► anymore and in any age of so lots of

◼   ► people like idiots like me will there

◼   ► are a handful of shows like Game of

◼   ► Thrones that I will watch the second

◼   ► that it comes on but you can't really

◼   ► talk about it because the spoilers and

◼   ► stuff but like a part if you're not in

◼   ► the world of live sports you don't have

◼   ► that much community event viewing

◼   ► anymore right community event viewing

◼   ► and well you know I don't even have a TV

◼   ► oh of course I don't either

◼   ► I thought you have TV I don't know about

◼   ► it but so you were saying earlier that

◼   ► you were like oh

◼   ► and I have the wrong keyboard and and

◼   ► and so in my mind all of a sudden not

◼   ► only did did my mind generate a world in

◼   ► which you have like a shelf with between

◼   ► nine and fifteen keyboards and you pull

◼   ► them down like like people from West

◼   ► Virginia deploy rifles yeah oh man I

◼   ► need my or just like oh I need my Gibson

◼   ► SG for this song you're like oh this is

◼   ► my router come the line keyboard doing a

◼   ► personal Harold you're like bringing all

◼   ► the topics together and and and so I was

◼   ► like wow but then I thought then

◼   ► immediately I left - oh shit do I not

◼   ► have enough keyboards oh no I was just

◼   ► like Oh Merlin didn't tell me I needed

◼   ► multiple keyboards and now you send me a

◼   ► picture and what it seems like you have

◼   ► is an analog clickety clack keyboard and

◼   ► then you have that great little keyboard

◼   ► that you told me to buy a long time ago

◼   ► the little solar-powered keyboard and I

◼   ► still have mine and not only do I have

◼   ► one but I got another one for another

◼   ► key or another computer and I think

◼   ► they're just great little keyboards so

◼   ► you were saying you were gonna be on the

◼   ► clackety-clack one but look at all the

◼   ► gears you see all the dander on these

◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I posted a picture of my

◼   ► keyboard one time and I got like 45

◼   ► disgusting anymore I got a box cutter

◼   ► you terrorist scotch tape you like

◼   ► scotch brand tape expensive earphones I

◼   ► bet I bet though five dollar bill I

◼   ► can't believe you still use cash what is

◼   ► that is that a moleskin pair why don't

◼   ► you if it's a solar keyboard why don't

◼   ► you clean off the solar part monkey

◼   ► solar part thanks thanks thanks buddy I

◼   ► got it I got a tweet yesterday that was

◼   ► and this is how you know that there it's

◼   ► a crazy tweet because although it's only

◼   ► at they only at me they're speaking as

◼   ► though they are talking about me to a

◼   ► group of people

◼   ► check the tweet before that one oh I see

◼   ► where Professor Roderick yeah she I

◼   ► think this was just out of the blue or

◼   ► no it was in reply cuz I sent out some I

◼   ► sent out some tweets I mean you get

◼   ► you're getting lots of lots of responses

◼   ► to your nice tweets that was a nice

◼   ► tweet storm you did well I was very I'm

◼   ► pretty shy about about promoting myself

◼   ► and yeah and about promoting the podcast

◼   ► but you did it well you did it well and

◼   ► you were real straight up about it you

◼   ► didn't go hey for the afternoon crowd in

◼   ► case you missed it titillating yeah you

◼   ► were straight up you said hey I make

◼   ► these podcasts and I'm happy I'm proud

◼   ► of these and if you're not listening to

◼   ► them I like you to give them a try and I

◼   ► thought you're a real gentleman about it

◼   ► well and I got a lot of nice nice nice

◼   ► replies a lot of a lot of people that

◼   ► that you know that obviously like

◼   ► Roderick on the line was their

◼   ► introduction and and their and they

◼   ► still love the show and they wanted to

◼   ► say how much that they did and and you

◼   ► know I love that stuff although that's

◼   ► not when I was president nixon said you

◼   ► get a silent majority you get I mean the

◼   ► truth is most people who listen dear to

◼   ► a podcast like tend to like the podcast

◼   ► and why would they ever say anything

◼   ► about it

◼   ► it's nice when people do that I'm happy

◼   ► and humbled when people do that it makes

◼   ► me very happy

◼   ► yeah me too me too absolutely but then

◼   ► but then and and and as you're just

◼   ► describing like when I put them out

◼   ► there I thought you're cuz every time

◼   ► you're reading the replies you're like

◼   ► well how long before I get how long

◼   ► before I get a turkey here how long

◼   ► before I get that before I met the wonka

◼   ► factory and the goose that's laying the

◼   ► golden eggs one of them goes and goes

◼   ► down the shithole you know what I mean I

◼   ► know and there was one that was just

◼   ► like some asshole remark and I went and

◼   ► looked at their bio and their Twitter

◼   ► bio was like I'm an asshole I was like

◼   ► okay you're easy to block yeah but this

◼   ► couple years ago I couldn't you know it

◼   ► said no the one that's the one that was

◼   ► like I'm an asshole was just you know

◼   ► like what do you call three white guys

◼   ► sitting around with nothing to talk

◼   ► about a podcast it's like

◼   ► that's good stuff that's good you should

◼   ► never take it on the road but no this

◼   ► guy was like I used to love Roderick on

◼   ► the line I listen to it all the time it

◼   ► was you know might be a number one show

◼   ► or whatever but I listen to friendly

◼   ► fire my podcast where I talk about war

◼   ► movies and John was so mean to Saving

◼   ► Private Ryan hmm

◼   ► that I can't listen to any of the shows

◼   ► anymore not only know that sounds like a

◼   ► straight-up medical situation very very

◼   ► difficult to diagnose what happened is

◼   ► that what happened is Johnson did make a

◼   ► movie and now you can't listen to his

◼   ► stuff well it wasn't just the night that

◼   ► I said I do like Saving Private Ryan I

◼   ► might have like oversold how mad I guess

◼   ► we just complement things all the time

◼   ► movies if you don't like wow this bag

◼   ► check mix check party mix not really

◼   ► good I like every single thing in it I

◼   ► can't even I don't even know which one

◼   ► to praise most they're all so good I can

◼   ► imagine why anybody would love these

◼   ► more than all of their foods I could not

◼   ► praise anyone more than another you get

◼   ► oh you know what you forgot you forgot

◼   ► this other check mix that I make these

◼   ► never heard of you forgot you forgot I

◼   ► love you for God guy oh there was a guy

◼   ► that replied and said oh yeah podcasts

◼   ► were great you should listen to mine

◼   ► another guy like a pretty excellent guy

◼   ► was like that's kind of not how you do

◼   ► it you don't do that you don't like

◼   ► reply to somebody's really nice tweet

◼   ► stream about what they're making with a

◼   ► link to your own thing and then the guy

◼   ► applied to that guy oh boy and said it's

◼   ► on he said you don't know me man I'm

◼   ► living in my car right now and still I'm

◼   ► managing to put podcasts out every week

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► he was like well you know like being

◼   ► poor and being an asshole are not

◼   ► mutually exclusive Oh doctor what are

◼   ► you

◼   ► I just always we talked about this

◼   ► before I've talked about this everywhere

◼   ► I'm sorry it's just how I feel I think

◼   ► one must be very careful about feeling a

◼   ► level of familiarity with a stranger -

◼   ► to where your first time that you

◼   ► address them you address them as though

◼   ► they know you as well as you feel you

◼   ► know them and I almost did it last night

◼   ► somebody like that I like and follow on

◼   ► political Twitter who has no idea who I

◼   ► am had a hot take on how Godspell is

◼   ► better than Jesus Christ Superstar which

◼   ► of course is a garbage opinion and I was

◼   ► I was about to make a joke about it and

◼   ► then I thought wait a minute if somebody

◼   ► if somebody did that to me I'd go like

◼   ► this / like you know basically the sound

◼   ► of running into something in an old

◼   ► video game try the key again and like

◼   ► that my first interaction with Matthew

◼   ► Gertz might have been ma I'm gonna let

◼   ► you have this one because it's Easter

◼   ► Matthew Gertz and of course you would

◼   ► see that I close the window I'm gonna be

◼   ► my first interaction with this person

◼   ► that I like and admire is to be an

◼   ► asshole and I was like don't be that guy

◼   ► ya see I'm not even saying you have to

◼   ► go and like roll out of carpet and bring

◼   ► a fizzy drink and say oh I love

◼   ► everything you do but like don't don't

◼   ► assume like a level of familiarity that

◼   ► thought that's not there somebody is

◼   ► there with you well look what happened

◼   ► with that guy decade that somebody

◼   ► turned around did that to him and he got

◼   ► all touchy about it oh he was mad he was

◼   ► mad in fact he ended up texting and

◼   ► tweeting me that he blocked the other

◼   ► dude oh and I was like hey buddy you and

◼   ► I are not the friends in this scenario

◼   ► like you and I are not the ones that are

◼   ► conspiring against the other guy who is

◼   ► moving myself from this narrow but I you

◼   ► know I still do it where I see somebody

◼   ► I admire on Twitter that I think is

◼   ► doing something funny and I try to chime

◼   ► in with some funny thing like law

◼   ► [Laughter]

◼   ► and I'm just like oh and then I kind of

◼   ► you know my shoulders sag and I'm like

◼   ► you know and then I would go through a

◼   ► little minute or two where I'm like just

◼   ► don't even bother my friend Elon Gale

◼   ► right the the producer of The Bachelor

◼   ► the airplane guy because he's the

◼   ► airplane he says he's whatever Janet and

◼   ► c7c try his troublemaker he's a

◼   ► troublemaker and he probably gets 20,000

◼   ► replies to every tweet he does oh yeah

◼   ► like let me let me redo your joke in a

◼   ► not as funny way or explain it to you

◼   ► yeah yep

◼   ► but he's incredibly good about making

◼   ► sure that if if I like jump in and go

◼   ► like a little leg up he always gives me

◼   ► a prop he oh he always like he always

◼   ► does a touch right he just like reaches

◼   ► out and and even if it's just like yeah

◼   ► buddy

◼   ► he he's super duper duper considerate

◼   ► about the about like there's my friend

◼   ► and I don't know how he does it I don't

◼   ► know how he's scanning through all this

◼   ► stuff and maybe he has some setting

◼   ► where he's just like people I know are

◼   ► the only ones I want to see oh it's good

◼   ► about just like hello and gives that

◼   ► little touch that's nice I'm not good at

◼   ► it people are like you know trying to

◼   ► jump in all the time and I'm just like

◼   ► yeah that's funny that's funny but I

◼   ► don't like give them a bunch of I'm not

◼   ► like throwing a game at everybody yeah

◼   ► but boy it's unseemly it is but but but

◼   ► you know if I'm like jumping in on some

◼   ► some thread of friends and I'm like yeah

◼   ► you guys and it's just like you know

◼   ► just to hear that tumbleweed never try

◼   ► never try just go just go die aren't you

◼   ► being a try-hard

◼   ► this is a term I learned last week are

◼   ► you being a trihard mmm see now I need

◼   ► you a good thing to do are you are you

◼   ► here for this is this everything right

◼   ► now I'm here

◼   ► everybody's telling you what they're

◼   ► here for

◼   ► Oh tell me though tell me that is

◼   ► everything or or or sometimes there are

◼   ► some kinds of things that are too real

◼   ► what do these things mean oh I don't

◼   ► know like these Easter eggs were too

◼   ► real Twitter told me too real no what

◼   ► you real like oh man who to to real I'm

◼   ► here for this I'm here for this I'm here

◼   ► for this where do you put the accent I'm

◼   ► here I'm here for this

◼   ► oh man you uh you uh untangled a lot of

◼   ► wire there well you know the thing that

◼   ► was going around a few years ago which

◼   ► was I'm done Oh

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► people were like all right I'm done and

◼   ► it wasn't friendly it wasn't like I'm

◼   ► done it was like I'm done and they were

◼   ► so gallantly Sam over this yeah it was

◼   ► like a mic drop thing where they have

◼   ► some exchange with somebody and then

◼   ► they just be like I'm done mm-hm as

◼   ► though like they were some you know some

◼   ► King in a like a 50s teleplay who was

◼   ► like off with his head or something or

◼   ► like vaudeville they're giving you the

◼   ► hook oh the hook right but but it wasn't

◼   ► funny or friendly and I remember so I

◼   ► when I was running for City Council

◼   ► I was sitting in the stranger offices

◼   ► with their election Control Board with

◼   ► my opponents the three of us were

◼   ► sitting in or four of us I'm sorry we're

◼   ► sitting around a big table with all of

◼   ► the stranger editorial writers and they

◼   ► were peppering us with hard question

◼   ► hats it said press on them they

◼   ► basically did and there was an on the

◼   ► election Control Board there were like

◼   ► three people who were older in the my

◼   ► age area one of them was Dan Savage

◼   ► who's Lou older than me one of them was

◼   ► Tim Keck the publisher who's a little

◼   ► older than me but they were like put

◼   ► olds and then there were the Youngs who

◼   ► were all in their mid 20s who were like

◼   ► the radical stranger writers who believe

◼   ► that private property should be

◼   ► abolished and that we don't need police

◼   ► and they were really one of them in

◼   ► particular who ended up getting fired

◼   ► from the stranger for being a dickhole

◼   ► and like a not not just personality wise

◼   ► but he was fired because he did

◼   ► unscrupulous journalistic things that's

◼   ► not good you know what that no and I

◼   ► never liked it means that he's a tool

◼   ► and a bad writer but he definitely felt

◼   ► like he wanted the other guy to win my

◼   ► opponent to win he could use it was just

◼   ► written all over him and he was asking

◼   ► peppering me with questions about stuff

◼   ► that my opponent was an expert on so one

◼   ► of my opponents was a housing like a

◼   ► housing advocate and he was directing

◼   ► the the the writer was directing a

◼   ► stream of increasingly hostile questions

◼   ► to me like well what's your housing plan

◼   ► and essentially my answer was my housing

◼   ► plan is once I'm elected I'm gonna hire

◼   ► this guy to my right to be my housing

◼   ► guy what are you talking about what's my

◼   ► housing plan I'm not gonna go

◼   ► head-to-head with a with my opponent

◼   ► who's got it for ten years has been

◼   ► developing a housing plan mm-hmm like

◼   ► I'm running for City Council not for

◼   ► housing guy and at one point he said he

◼   ► leaned back in his chair and he was like

◼   ► I've done really yeah that's the thing

◼   ► that he said yeah and I felt what when

◼   ► you go back when you run for office like

◼   ► that it's a very concentrated set of

◼   ► events where apparently if I'm any

◼   ► indication the rest of your life you

◼   ► will be replaying those moments ongoing

◼   ► oh you know what I should have said

◼   ► because it's a lot of those things all

◼   ► at once and you know you build up a

◼   ► lifetime's a lifetime worth of what I

◼   ► should have said like what every time

◼   ► I'm driving necessary tasks ali-a yeah

◼   ► if I drive for very long I will my mind

◼   ► will start to go to some event in a

◼   ► union hall somewhere where I should have

◼   ► told somebody where they could put it

◼   ► and what I should have said to that guy

◼   ► was exactly what I mean you're done

◼   ► gonna done like that

◼   ► but you're done yeah buddy now you don't

◼   ► want to become that guy where you're

◼   ► famous for that interview well you know

◼   ► I'd rather be famous for that interview

◼   ► that not famous for that interview

◼   ► that's a what Scott said you know I

◼   ► could have I would have happily burned

◼   ► that place down because the stranger was

◼   ► supposed to they were supposed to be my

◼   ► friends right I've known I've been part

◼   ► of the stranger I've written for the

◼   ► stranger they're all they're all pals

◼   ► you know and yet they had this every

◼   ► three years they hire a bunch of new

◼   ► young writers and the new young writers

◼   ► weren't friends of mine they didn't know

◼   ► anything about me and it was like oh I

◼   ► expected some leftist Oldboy Network

◼   ► treatment where I was like the stranger

◼   ► has been you know like the stranger is a

◼   ► radical newspaper I'm a radical we've

◼   ► always been on the same page but now

◼   ► there are a bunch of 24 year olds that

◼   ► think I'm a that think I'm some crusty

◼   ► ten years ago I in the spirit of your

◼   ► personal Harold I feel like there's a

◼   ► sort of a threat that runs through some

◼   ► of this stuff that something is

◼   ► something that I try to be aware of

◼   ► because I think it's important I mean

◼   ► one problem when we communicate with

◼   ► others and especially today in the

◼   ► weirdly mediated way that we have access

◼   ► to strangers not the titular stranger

◼   ► but people we don't know I I feel like

◼   ► there's a certain kind of I'm done

◼   ► tone to things I certainly do it I'm

◼   ► sure we all do it we all have limited

◼   ► attention in patience and vulnerability

◼   ► that we're willing to have destroyed but

◼   ► I think I think one thing you don't have

◼   ► to be cute about this you don't have to

◼   ► be like a fakie weirdo about it but like

◼   ► when you're interacting with people in

◼   ► general I think it's important to try

◼   ► and leave room leave air like you don't

◼   ► need to settle every mystery immediately

◼   ► there should be it doesn't necessarily

◼   ► like a flirtation but in interactions

◼   ► that you have with people there should

◼   ► you unless you have a real unless you're

◼   ► like you know

◼   ► serving a warrant like generally try and

◼   ► leave some air try to leave some room

◼   ► for joy for playfulness for the other

◼   ► person to have an opportunity to to get

◼   ► get their fun in as well but also and I

◼   ► want to say this I'm not saying you have

◼   ► to have a relationship with everybody

◼   ► but like it seems like a lot of

◼   ► communication in some ways especially on

◼   ► the internet especially in places like

◼   ► Twitter comes down to like you're a bad

◼   ► person

◼   ► you're a bad person and I would never

◼   ► want to have a relationship with you and

◼   ► even if that relationship is just kind

◼   ► of a silent from a distance enjoying

◼   ► another person's stuff in your case I

◼   ► mean that was probably kind of not cool

◼   ► of that person I understand their job is

◼   ► to comfort the affor to afflict the

◼   ► company and all that kind of stuff but

◼   ► like when even in the way you ask

◼   ► interview questions of people like give

◼   ► people some space to answer in an

◼   ► interesting way and if they don't if

◼   ► they aren't answering the question you

◼   ► could pursue them but like I feel like

◼   ► in so many of our interactions we are

◼   ► we're trying to create some kind of a

◼   ► conversational trap that leaves no room

◼   ► for this to go anywhere

◼   ► we're basically you're just going mad

◼   ► and then it just stops right there and

◼   ► like I mean I don't have one specific

◼   ► example of this that I can give but like

◼   ► I do know that like a certain amount of

◼   ► lightness and playfulness and like or

◼   ► you know or curiosity is maybe another

◼   ► way to put it like don't be afraid to be

◼   ► curious and you don't have to be a

◼   ► weirdo about it but it's what I when

◼   ► you're communicating with people on

◼   ► Twitter like think about that like think

◼   ► about whether you are preemptively

◼   ► shutting down an actual conversation

◼   ► that you could have with somebody if it

◼   ► is a conversation you want having if

◼   ► it's not just mute them and have them go

◼   ► away but I don't know I I I don't mean

◼   ► to be a concern troll here but I worry

◼   ► that that what starts out as something

◼   ► we type with our fingers on our phone

◼   ► can start to affect the way that we

◼   ► think about any interaction and now

◼   ► becomes become super annoyed about

◼   ► everybody in line at the grocery store

◼   ► and we forget that this is water and

◼   ► like I don't know I just I'd like to try

◼   ► and keep that in mind and if I if I I'm

◼   ► genuinely curious about another person I

◼   ► want to give them room to take this

◼   ► thing where they want to go with it

◼   ► rather than feeling like I'm going to

◼   ► constrict them or or creep them out by

◼   ► giving some kind of decisive punctuation

◼   ► mark about this non relationship we have

◼   ► I wonder if it is a I wonder if it's a

◼   ► thing where like wouldn't when we've

◼   ► talked about this quite a bit when we

◼   ► were young there were still a lot of

◼   ► unsolved mysteries yeah right the leaf

◼   ► flu sure talked about this the Bermuda

◼   ► Triangle etc or just knowing who the guy

◼   ► in that show is the unsolved mysteries

◼   ► yeah no sorry

◼   ► who was that's not Leonard Nimoy isn't

◼   ► yeah but was it John Walsh I don't even

◼   ► I wouldn't know John Walsh would be

◼   ► walked in right now and handed me a

◼   ► cupcake okay but I could google him no

◼   ► but you're right I mean like the obvious

◼   ► example is like like me sitting there

◼   ► last night watching a series of

◼   ► unfortunate events and going look I know

◼   ► that actress oh it's that actress from

◼   ► the Austin Powers movies that I really

◼   ► like and of course I'm able to look that

◼   ► up instantly and drill straight into

◼   ► that episode that just aired a day ago

◼   ► and it's already there I already have

◼   ► instantly the information about

◼   ► something that I want immediately that's

◼   ► a trivial example yeah

◼   ► Oh John Walsh is exactly who I was

◼   ► thinking of he's the host of America's

◼   ► Most Wanted and Adam lost his father

◼   ► right yeah you had that terrible

◼   ► situation with his son that's how his

◼   ► one doesn't want to say career but

◼   ► that's like he's started off by being an

◼   ► advocate for for kids well so that's not

◼   ► that's probably not who did unsolved

◼   ► mysteries but you're to my pal Gary his

◼   ► name's Gary you're saying he's not right

◼   ► Gary I got those tweets that is good

◼   ► that was funny that was making fun of us

◼   ► for not remembering one of our canonical

◼   ► characters but but things that were not

◼   ► know not easily findable but they not

◼   ► even be knowable at all well I'm still a

◼   ► great number of places in the world that

◼   ► you felt like hadn't been explored right

◼   ► islands in the South Pacific that were

◼   ► uninhabited it was still plausible that

◼   ► Gilligan and the skipper would get into

◼   ► a shipwreck on a island that

◼   ► could sustain life but that there just

◼   ► wasn't anybody living there and it was

◼   ► uncharted like there were uncharted

◼   ► places who knew behind the Iron Curtain

◼   ► who knew it was back they can't prove a

◼   ► negative like how do you know Atlantis

◼   ► doesn't exist what we have no way of

◼   ► knowing we have no way of knowing and

◼   ► now we've mapped the entire world we've

◼   ► we believe we have overlaid it with a

◼   ► grid system enough that we can pretty

◼   ► much put our put our pinkie down on

◼   ► anything we wanted to see and with

◼   ► Wikipedia and everything else we feel

◼   ► like we've called it all we've named

◼   ► everything and all that's missing from

◼   ► Wikipedia is stuff from the olden times

◼   ► that we haven't brought forward and put

◼   ► on but there's nothing happening now

◼   ► that isn't being recorded there's

◼   ► nothing you know if you

◼   ► nothing you know if you

◼   ► when I wanted to go sit and study Google

◼   ► Earth we could find Gilligan we could

◼   ► find anything we were looking for and

◼   ► that's happened in a very brief amount

◼   ► of time and so so there's an element to

◼   ► the curiosity that we grew up being

◼   ► expected to have or it was kind of baked

◼   ► in a kind of curiosity about what is in

◼   ► the forest even like oh if I go into the

◼   ► woods here next to my house cuz I'm a

◼   ► little kid I don't know how big the

◼   ► woods are and I imagine maybe the woods

◼   ► go forever and maybe these will go into

◼   ► you dig a hole to China yeah right it's

◼   ► gonna Sherwood Forest or whatever and

◼   ► now there's a maybe I feel like in the

◼   ► world a sense that everything's mapped

◼   ► and so there isn't that feeling that oh

◼   ► you know maybe no one's ever been in

◼   ► this cave maybe no one's ever I mean

◼   ► from the time that you're small uh-huh

◼   ► Oh what if I'm the first person to ever

◼   ► climb this tree yeah yeah yeah and so is

◼   ► our relationship to curiosity changings

◼   ► so that all these responses that we're

◼   ► getting to on the on the internet

◼   ► there's not a feeling that anybody else

◼   ► has anything to teach you anymore like

◼   ► you you already know everything -

◼   ► everything's already known it's not a

◼   ► question of learning it's a question of

◼   ► just opinion like it's not it's not that

◼   ► I didn't know that it's that I just

◼   ► didn't have an opinion about it yet and

◼   ► it's so different from when when we were

◼   ► kids where I was just like you know when

◼   ► I heard that maybe Led Zeppelin Jimmy

◼   ► Page was like I had bought aleister

◼   ► crowley's house I was like it is the

◼   ► music of Led Zeppelin amazing because

◼   ► Jimmy Page talking to the devil and now

◼   ► they would even if I was the little

◼   ► eight years old

◼   ► there'd be like eleven other

◼   ► eight-year-olds who are like well

◼   ► actually mm-hmm snows know whether I

◼   ► don't know what how to teach curiosity

◼   ► or how to how to do what you're saying

◼   ► like reply to people and say leave some

◼   ► space

◼   ► like like let it be interesting I

◼   ► totally agree and like yeah this is I

◼   ► don't mean this to sound sexist sexist

◼   ► because I think it's actually true of

◼   ► everybody but one of the first things I

◼   ► remember hearing in terms of grown-up

◼   ► relationship advice that I found to be

◼   ► very useful especially given my

◼   ► personality this is now this is such a

◼   ► cliche a but B it's also it's true of I

◼   ► think all sexes in sexes and genders

◼   ► which is like when somebody especially

◼   ► historically you see like a woman wants

◼   ► to talk about something men have a

◼   ► tendency to once you solve a problem and

◼   ► I feel silly even saying this because

◼   ► everybody knows this at this point

◼   ► supposedly but like the idea is that

◼   ► like somebody comes to you and they want

◼   ► to talk about Oh God

◼   ► you know Barbara at work has been really

◼   ► kind of been a thorn in my side lately

◼   ► and like you know she didn't invite me

◼   ► to this meeting and I'm not sure if I

◼   ► should feel weird about that and like

◼   ► men tend to want to like me tend to want

◼   ► to jump in and go well you should go

◼   ► straight to your boss or you should talk

◼   ► to Barbara or you should send an email

◼   ► my credit but let me solve this problem

◼   ► for you before you're even done with the

◼   ► sentence let alone the paragraph where

◼   ► really that person maybe maybe wasn't

◼   ► looking for a solution that person just

◼   ► wanted to talk about something in their

◼   ► life that they maybe don't want a

◼   ► solution for and maybe the talking and

◼   ► like could be sometimes the talking

◼   ► about it is the solution but like you

◼   ► don't you know and I really really

◼   ► struggle with this in life like I don't

◼   ► like when people finish my sentences

◼   ► like I don't want to finish other

◼   ► people's sentences because sometimes

◼   ► they just need to ramble a little bit

◼   ► I've talked about this I think as a

◼   ► component in the relationship between my

◼   ► mother and sister my sister comes home

◼   ► and is one of these people that wants to

◼   ► just talk about the problems that she

◼   ► had during the day no she's not doing it

◼   ► she's not filing a bug she's not looked

◼   ► on so like in an hour

◼   ► I need this solved does not want a it

◼   ► does not want the problem solved wants

◼   ► to I mean basically wants to bitch about

◼   ► it

◼   ► yes and then at the end be done and my

◼   ► mom is someone who wants to solve the

◼   ► problem and she's a grown man she is she

◼   ► saw

◼   ► problems yeah she's just like well why

◼   ► don't you talk to your manager why oh

◼   ► here's that you know here's something

◼   ► you could do unplug maybe with a little

◼   ► bit of hint of like this is actually not

◼   ► that complicated

◼   ► absolutely I mean I think there's that

◼   ► kind of an important aspect of the like

◼   ► why is this a problem well but also the

◼   ► flip side of it is that bitching about

◼   ► stuff is uncomfortable for certain

◼   ► people to listen to like my mom is

◼   ► extremely impatient because she doesn't

◼   ► want to hear because to her ears it's

◼   ► just like belly ain't what why are you

◼   ► complacent like either solve the problem

◼   ► or get used to it you know get

◼   ► accustomed to it and deal with it and

◼   ► like stop complaining is my mom's take

◼   ► on it and so it's a it's it's a long bin

◼   ► when it starts to happen in my house I

◼   ► usually pick up the newspaper so just

◼   ► slowly edge out of the room like without

◼   ► saying it's like I'm behind the

◼   ► newspaper I'm reading an article showing

◼   ► fuse that has just been to another

◼   ► response does she for years it was just

◼   ► really frustrating because they had not

◼   ► identified this as the dynamic Susan's

◼   ► response was just to get more and more

◼   ► agitated because she's like well yeah

◼   ► like sure I could unplug the

◼   ► refrigerator but that's not the point

◼   ► right and the point is sometimes what

◼   ► you're really saying is yeah I know I

◼   ► know the world is that way I don't want

◼   ► the world to be that way you know saying

◼   ► you know I don't tell me how to change

◼   ► the world just listen to me be

◼   ► frustrated that the world is this way

◼   ► yeah and it and it was and my mom just

◼   ► got more and more frustrated to like

◼   ► shell if you don't want if you don't

◼   ► want my advice why are you coming home I

◼   ► can see but I can see and have been on

◼   ► both points of view both sides of that

◼   ► yeah and I think there is a there is a

◼   ► culture of well I don't know I mean like

◼   ► for myself personally I try it's not

◼   ► even that I try it is not in my nature

◼   ► to complain

◼   ► there are times when I protest like if I

◼   ► go up to the counter at an airline and

◼   ► they say you do not get blank I say I

◼   ► would like to lodge a protest what do

◼   ► you mean I'm not getting an upgrade but

◼   ► that's a protest once they say you don't

◼   ► get an upgrade or once they say sorry

◼   ► we're not going to let you put your

◼   ► guitar in the overhead bin because we

◼   ► didn't read the memo from the US Senate

◼   ► or whatever I don't then sit in the

◼   ► chair and complain you know I'm like

◼   ► resolved and resolved being a part of it

◼   ► is that I feel like I deserve suffering

◼   ► but but also like there is no point to

◼   ► it because I cannot win now you know and

◼   ► my mom is the same way like well you

◼   ► know if I have to wear these shoes that

◼   ► are made out of fire then I guess I have

◼   ► to wear a shoes made out of fire I don't

◼   ► like it but what does it serve to

◼   ► complain and my sister on yeah on the

◼   ► other hand is going you know her way of

◼   ► processing the events that happened to

◼   ► her is just kind of like putting them

◼   ► out there in the form of either

◼   ► celebration or lament and but it is

◼   ► participatory right my mom does not

◼   ► require my sister to to help her process

◼   ► her events because she is doing them

◼   ► internally and quietly but my sister

◼   ► does require my mom she does require a

◼   ► listener it wouldn't be sufficient to

◼   ► just make a cage and put some socks

◼   ► around it and have a and have a bowl of

◼   ► food in it so Susan could cling to it

◼   ► and yell at day it wouldn't that would

◼   ► not work right she needs someone to

◼   ► listen and pay and that pay that

◼   ► attention somehow and that it feels like

◼   ► another example of like the

◼   ► introvert/extrovert issue where the

◼   ► extrovert is like introverts are

◼   ► very very aware of extrovert culture

◼   ► introverts know what extrovert world

◼   ► looks like because they can't help but

◼   ► know yeah it's like it's like not being

◼   ► into sports like I'm not into sports but

◼   ► boy do I ever have to know about sports

◼   ► right

◼   ► but extroverts are not aware of

◼   ► introvert culture or their needs because

◼   ► why would they be all they see are other

◼   ► extroverts and introverts just seem like

◼   ► people who are standing there waiting

◼   ► for them to come talk to them and you

◼   ► know it's like it's like when you talk

◼   ► to black people about white culture

◼   ► they're like look we know all about

◼   ► white example is everywhere what a guy

◼   ► butts into like three women talking on

◼   ► the internet to explain what they must

◼   ► understand about feminism yeah man it's

◼   ► like Oh what you don't know about men

◼   ► and they're like no seriously we know

◼   ► that I can't even believe is real which

◼   ► was where somebody responded to a woman

◼   ► and said you know mansplaining is not

◼   ► really a thing great but it's that but

◼   ► it's that type of thing you know you

◼   ► hear about you hear about this the

◼   ► divide as being a thing of like not you

◼   ► know like or or or the way you initially

◼   ► started to describe it initially it was

◼   ► presented as husband and wife was a wife

◼   ► the model was that hey husbands you need

◼   ► to listen to your wives more but like I

◼   ► I only did that as a jumping-off point

◼   ► of how I learned about it the truth is

◼   ► it goes for everybody do you be aware

◼   ► when somebody just wants to think out

◼   ► loud a little bit there's a funny

◼   ► episode of a very good episode of Parks

◼   ► and Rec and I think you're probably not

◼   ► a fan a huge fan but we're Chris Chris

◼   ► Traeger the play by Rob Lowe like is

◼   ► trying to is like his wife Quincy

◼   ► Jones's daughter is pregnant and he

◼   ► keeps trying to like fix everything and

◼   ► and I forget who it was the system you

◼   ► know here's your here's a trick go stop

◼   ► talking except to periodically say that

◼   ► sucks and like that is that is a way

◼   ► over simplified shorthand but it's kind

◼   ► of true like

◼   ► adopt a that sucks attitude that has you

◼   ► open to listening to that person rather

◼   ► than trying to like explain how they're

◼   ► being unhappy wrong yeah that's pretty

◼   ► good yeah i'm i am definitely being

◼   ► unhappy wrong periodically check in on

◼   ► this podcast called i only listen to the

◼   ► mountain goats i don't listen to every

◼   ► episode but it's a very interesting idea

◼   ► it's the guy from oh what show is it he

◼   ► does night Vale i think i love that when

◼   ► you are trying to remember something you

◼   ► put put a little tremolo in it anyway

◼   ► and they're going through god what album

◼   ► is it all hell west texas but anyway and

◼   ► they go through track by track and this

◼   ► guy interviews John Darnielle who's a

◼   ► very articulate guy I'm not a giant fan

◼   ► of music but hear me out you know I I

◼   ► know John pretty well nowadays and is a

◼   ► very very bright guy extremely bright

◼   ► guy but but that's really neat so the

◼   ► the show has like a kind of chemistry to

◼   ► it that would be impossible for obvious

◼   ► reasons on any other show which is like

◼   ► he's a very interesting writer who has

◼   ► interesting thoughts about life and this

◼   ► very good interviewer interviews him and

◼   ► they talk about one song on the album

◼   ► and then somebody covers it at the end

◼   ► yeah yeah I need it on iTunes you can go

◼   ► into all the songs like I think large

◼   ► and grace did the best ever death metal

◼   ► band from Denton like these great songs

◼   ► but anyway a recent episode was source

◼   ► decay which is a song that I really like

◼   ► it's a slightly unusual mountain good

◼   ► song for the time but long story short

◼   ► the reason I mentioned this is he said

◼   ► something you know how it is somebody

◼   ► says something that once you hear it you

◼   ► could God it's so obvious but I so

◼   ► needed to hear that

◼   ► and they're talking about the

◼   ► composition of the song a little bit of

◼   ► a looking into like how he writes a song

◼   ► kind of from the inside out where

◼   ► sometimes he starts with a little bit of

◼   ► a detail like okay this guy this guy

◼   ► goes to his old house to pick up the

◼   ► mail what are the letters that he sees

◼   ► and kind of builds out this story from

◼   ► there right and it's very I think a very

◼   ► interesting and kind of authentic way to

◼   ► write a song which is like telling a

◼   ► specific story with these specific

◼   ► waypoints rad

◼   ► starting with an outline of everything I

◼   ► wanted to say in the song right

◼   ► probably not the entirely dissimilar

◼   ► from how you write I'm guessing but but

◼   ► the guy said something so cool because

◼   ► name is Joseph he's he was talking to

◼   ► him about like well you know but what is

◼   ► what is this mean in this song like is

◼   ► this Jenny the same Jenny from the other

◼   ► song but Jenny in it and I don't

◼   ► remember his exact response but he's

◼   ► basically saying yeah I don't know I

◼   ► mean I don't know I could guess just as

◼   ► much as you could guess but here's the

◼   ► quote he said most people don't treasure

◼   ► the unknown

◼   ► most people want all the information I

◼   ► never want all the information and I was

◼   ► like oh man I shouldn't even tweet about

◼   ► this but I'm gonna because I thought

◼   ► that was so great I was like you know

◼   ► what I'm kind of the same way I love

◼   ► whilst I love being able to watch

◼   ► Netflix and look up the name of an

◼   ► actress in a scene that's no problem at

◼   ► all while it's great to me to be three

◼   ► seconds away from knowing drugs that

◼   ► interact with grapefruit while I'm on a

◼   ► podcast all great but I kind of I think

◼   ► about when I started this is not a slam

◼   ► on Star Wars but like I saw Star Wars

◼   ► when it was just Star Wars like a week

◼   ► after it came out I saw Star Wars I

◼   ► didn't understand what are these

◼   ► creatures what is going on I didn't know

◼   ► that George Lucas had a name for every

◼   ► single piece of equipment in every rock

◼   ► in the entire area I had basically two

◼   ► viewings of Star Wars the reviews about

◼   ► it and then maybe like a Fangoria

◼   ► magazine feature but like I didn't know

◼   ► I don't have like a DK encyclopedia of

◼   ► Star Wars and that was part of the fun I

◼   ► wanted to know everything I would just

◼   ► consume everything I could find about it

◼   ► but there wasn't that much to consume

◼   ► especially after the first one you know

◼   ► I'm saying it was six or eight months

◼   ► into the cycle before I mean they were

◼   ► sending out coupons for the action

◼   ► figures there were not big books about

◼   ► it that were official books anyway I

◼   ► trying to put that in front of you

◼   ► because I thought John Darnielle saying

◼   ► that was really smart I realize I'm the

◼   ► same way like I I don't need to know

◼   ► that there's an answer to like it you

◼   ► know in that song is that Warren Beatty

◼   ► like is that David David Branson it's

◼   ► like I don't know I don't know if I need

◼   ► to know I don't know if my enjoyment of

◼   ► that song will change one way or another

◼   ► if I know who you're so vain is about

◼   ► does it have to be about one of them

◼   ► maybe maybe that's a bad example but I

◼   ► like the not knowing and I like the fact

◼   ► that this is this is a this is a

◼   ► snapshot of a little bit of a story and

◼   ► like I don't

◼   ► if you can even know all the details of

◼   ► this especially if the person who wrote

◼   ► it

◼   ► choose chose to not have a codex or a a

◼   ► rubric for being able to delineate what

◼   ► everything in the song means and I have

◼   ► to tell you that's one reason I love

◼   ► your songs I don't know what the fuck

◼   ► your songs are all about even when you

◼   ► explain them to them to me I don't

◼   ► understand though and I really like that

◼   ► I I and I want to just toss to you do

◼   ► you do you feel that way about do you

◼   ► like the not knowing yeah there are

◼   ► three three things that I that you're

◼   ► inspiring me to think about I want to

◼   ► say simultaneously the geographic

◼   ► version of this somebody posted

◼   ► something the other day that was like

◼   ► did you know that Google knows

◼   ► everything that you've ever done and

◼   ► everything you've ever thought and said

◼   ► and I was like oh no you know Google is

◼   ► gonna be Google's gonna know all this

◼   ► stuff about me and I went I followed the

◼   ► link and you know Google does know

◼   ► everything I've ever googled but that

◼   ► would be very confusing to an algorithm

◼   ► because it's like who are the you know

◼   ► who are the last five kings of Armenia

◼   ► it's like how are you gonna sell me but

◼   ► but Google supposedly knows everywhere

◼   ► I've been and I went to the thing where

◼   ► it said you know Google it basically

◼   ► knows everywhere you've been

◼   ► and I was kind of excited about it like

◼   ► where what what is this map that

◼   ► Google's gonna draw of all the places

◼   ► I've been like how exciting the truth is

◼   ► it's actually kind of disappointing

◼   ► you're like oh man Google I thought you

◼   ► would know all the places I went well

◼   ► and what's what is what was crazy was I

◼   ► got there and there was no information

◼   ► and then I realized that what I do I do

◼   ► Google where things are I googled the

◼   ► like is there traffic or whatever I

◼   ► Google routes to things but I look at

◼   ► the route and then I put my phone away

◼   ► I have never followed GPS instructions

◼   ► where it's like turn left like I put it

◼   ► away I look at it like I used to look at

◼   ► paper maps I get a sense of where it's

◼   ► telling me to go but I never follows the

◼   ► voice the machine and so Google doesn't

◼   ► know where I've been

◼   ► because I never because I always turn it

◼   ► off

◼   ► because I still don't want to know all

◼   ► the answers like I don't want to get

◼   ► there even if I'm late I don't want to

◼   ► get there via the computers best

◼   ► estimation of the fastest route I want

◼   ► to find it that's like that's a big big

◼   ► part of how I live in the world I want

◼   ► to find it I know it's there

◼   ► I know it's over there and I'm here in

◼   ► that case you do know that there is an

◼   ► answer that it does exist there is no

◼   ► Stuckey's somewhere best right I'm going

◼   ► to a place right I can I know where

◼   ► Spokane generally is I want to get there

◼   ► and not just be guided there by a by a

◼   ► tour guide you know by a by up I don't

◼   ► want to I don't want to ring in my nose

◼   ► and somebody yanking on a rope that's

◼   ► the geographic version but in response

◼   ► to your thing you're the real thing the

◼   ► John Danielle thing you know I think my

◼   ► greatest regret about the success of my

◼   ► band the and by success I mean the level

◼   ► of success and one of the things about

◼   ► I'm one of the things that complicates

◼   ► my relationship with John Darnielle

◼   ► personally is that he has and this is

◼   ► true of so many I mean so many musicians

◼   ► when you really get them down and get a

◼   ► few drinks in them and they're sitting

◼   ► around a campfire you can't help but say

◼   ► if I just had like I don't want to be

◼   ► Eddie Van Halen I just want the success

◼   ► of John Darnielle the amount and kind of

◼   ► success that he had and maybe maybe the

◼   ► steadiness the Admiralty admirable

◼   ► things about him is like just that he

◼   ► seems so steady about he just keeps

◼   ► doing the work he does the he does the

◼   ► work and you know when you get to know

◼   ► him personally he realize like oh it's

◼   ► part of his process of coping right to

◼   ► do the work like he's he is also

◼   ► struggling as we all are with a

◼   ► constellation of like contraindications

◼   ► of grapefruit and he well his way of

◼   ► getting through the year is is making

◼   ► music and putting it out and that's true

◼   ► of a lot of people I know and I have the

◼   ► opposite of fliction or

◼   ► some other you know I've ate too much

◼   ► grapefruit but you know guys like if you

◼   ► I mean I'm sure if you sat down with

◼   ► Carl Newman and said how do you how do

◼   ► you like your fame he'd say it's great

◼   ► I'm very happy here

◼   ► but I would you know wouldn't it be nice

◼   ► if I had just the you know the fame of

◼   ► Jonathan Richmond or well I don't know

◼   ► who's anybody's comparison is but I

◼   ► believe it was it was you even Bono has

◼   ► a boss even Bono has a bond yeah but I

◼   ► would love to sit down with somebody who

◼   ► wanted to go through my music and talk

◼   ► about what things meant because I when I

◼   ► was writing it like everything I meant

◼   ► something by everything there was no

◼   ► there's no filler

◼   ► I wasn't like well I need to get to the

◼   ► chorus so I'm just gonna say the same

◼   ► thing over again yeah I remember first

◼   ► reading this I feel like in the John

◼   ► chardee poetry book we said something

◼   ► like make every line tell yeah and and

◼   ► and and I think that's part of why I

◼   ► mean when I listen to great pop music

◼   ► and I'm and I realized that there are so

◼   ► many songs that I really love where the

◼   ► course is just like hey na na and I and

◼   ► I love that music but like I just I just

◼   ► filled the lyrics with meaning and I

◼   ► want somebody to care enough and I know

◼   ► that there are people that do but I

◼   ► didn't have that you know like Darnell

◼   ► and his band inspire a kind of cult II

◼   ► reverence you can get kind of a lot law

◼   ► of large numbers thing where they have

◼   ► enough fans that they probably would

◼   ► eventually get to meet some super smart

◼   ► and engage people that were super fans

◼   ► and would want to talk about it yeah and

◼   ► and there are those people about the

◼   ► long winters it's just that there's not

◼   ► an audience for their output right

◼   ► there's not like you could do a podcast

◼   ► about John darn Yellin there'd be an

◼   ► audience for it if there was a podcast

◼   ► about the long winters there wouldn't be

◼   ► necessarily very big audience for

◼   ► listening to those songs digested but

◼   ► you know I got a I got a I got an email

◼   ► from

◼   ► a guy the other day who was like I teach

◼   ► literature I teach you know English

◼   ► literature in college and I wanted to oh

◼   ► and I asked my students to take your

◼   ► line from the song which is a seven I

◼   ► think where where I say every eyelash is

◼   ► a picutre a wire and he was like you

◼   ► know and I had to explain to people what

◼   ► I just explained to them what tickets

◼   ► were because they didn't know what

◼   ► pickets were but then we talked about it