268: A Tarnished Brass Age
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they're not selling the a leaven chip to
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other cell phone makers this is not a
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thing they do and we just assume if they
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were going to make chips for the Mac's
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they also wouldn't say oh this is our
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new business now by the way we're
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selling chips to everybody in the
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industry and what that would mean is
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that max would have CPUs that are not
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the same as the CPUs that are running in
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other things in the industry and what so
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what is that who cares well it was it
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matter or don't we just care if we have
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a nice CPU and iMac well right now we
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are in a a I know what you'd call it a
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Golden Age used to be a golden age now
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it's not quite golden now it's more of
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like a tarnished brass age anyway we're
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where max use the same CPUs that are
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also used in the servers further we run
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server-side software in which means that
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if you're writing server-side software
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and using the Mac as your dev
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environment you can run VMs and you can
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run docker and you can do all sorts of
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things and run the same software that's
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running on your server locally on your
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Mac because they're both x86 64 CPUs
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right and to a lesser extent you can
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also run Windows stuff because render
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ones the next 86 thinker on Windows in
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virtualization and high-speed so it's
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over line and those are real advantages
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for certain constituencies of pro Mac
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users who use the the Mac as like a
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development platform for writing
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server-side software and maybe just
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because I'm in that world that I see it
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a lot but I have been shocked over the
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course of my career how prevalent Mac's
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have become for people who essentially
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you know not know who pejoratively used
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them as glorified terminals right I
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don't think that's really true because
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lots of people do local development like
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they will you know they will run docker
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on their Mac they will run you know a
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VirtualBox on their Mac or whatever and
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they will use software and binaries that
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run on the server they will run them on
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their Mac alright and so they're not
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just using this glorified terminal but
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actually doing local development that is
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one class of software developer these
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server-side software developers so if
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Apple makes a CPU transition the Mac as
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a server-side software dev platform
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becomes far less attractive because
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apples not going to sell those CPUs to
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run on the server and now it could be if
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they just use the same instruction set
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and somehow armed on the server becomes
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a thing lots of companies have been
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trying to make armor and the server
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birthing for a long time hasn't quite
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happened but if Apple's not gonna make
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it happen and no one else makes it
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happen and Intel continues to endure
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even AMD continue to dominate the server
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it makes the Mac Mac less attractive to
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in one particular area and same thing
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for Windows I'm just picking this
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example but if you rely on the ability
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to run Windows virtualized Windows at
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full speed as part of some important
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business that you do let's use a Mac
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when previously you couldn't because you
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can also run a Windows on it I know when
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those is ported to arm as well right but
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it really just depends on do people
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portal or Windows software arm do they
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recompile it for arm do most pcs sold
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ideally whatever transition Apple makes
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the whole rest of the industry would
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also make pcs servers everything whether
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or not Apple helps them naked I think
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Apple will not help them make it so the
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only way we can get maintain the golden
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age where everything runs on the same
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platform is if the rest of the industry
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also transitions more or less at the
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same time without any of Apple's help
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which seems unlikely to me so that would
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make me slightly more sad and I think it
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would make the app the Mac slightly less
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desirable or even viable for certain Pro
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applications everything else that the
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Mac normally does no one cares you can
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develop Mac software on it you could run
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all your applications you can browse the
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web so it's probably not that big of a
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deal but it is the one angle that I have
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found myself pondering you know if I'm
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able to bring myself to believe that
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they're really gonna do this actually be
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like how would it change my experience
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of Mac's you know what would it and I'd
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even get into you know playing Windows
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games with our guess who cares that's
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really small but I look around my big
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company full of hundreds of developers
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and how many Mac's I see and everything
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they're doing with them and think what
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if that Mac was armed but all of our
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servers were still x86 how would that
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change how viable the Mac is for you and
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I think it would be would be worse so
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that's one more thing for me to not look
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forward to on the flip side of that is
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what Mark was talking about how awesome
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Thompson I frankly I think how awesome
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it would be on the Mac Pro I would love
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to see a massive multi-core apple design
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ARM processor that outperforms a Xeon
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with less power I would love that and I
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think it's 100% possible maybe on
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Apple's second or third try and help
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maybe on their first try those people
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are really smart but there are some
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things I would miss one other thing to
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think about is like you know we're
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assuming that you know if Apple does
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this transition that the processor is
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being in their hands would be a good
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thing and that they would outperform or
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they would match or I perform what Intel
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is doing and the assumption in that is
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that they will always or at least for a
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outperform what the rest of the PC
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industry is doing but that might not
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hold like it might be what if they can
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put this transition and then they find
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themselves actually not doing as well as
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the PC industry or not caring as much
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about the processors of developing for
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the Mac and therefore like you know
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today we have the issue of you know it
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doesn't see them I take care as much
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about the Mac but as they do about iOS
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so you know they have like these product
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lines that just sit around forever when
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at when Intel does make a new generation
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of processor it's not that much work to
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create to update these new product lines
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to use that new component it's way less
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engineering resources to take Intel's
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newest chip and stick it in the Mac you
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already have designed than it is to
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design the next version of the you know
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a10 you know quadruple x whatever
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whatever it is that would be like you
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know the high-performance version of
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this this year's a series processor it's
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very possible that could backfire on us
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like it could be that Apple takes it
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over then down the road decides the Mac
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is not that you know important to them
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which wouldn't be unheard of because
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that's already how it's been and then
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they just never update those chips for
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those compute for the Mac and because as
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John's like because they're not selling
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these chips outside of Apple which I can
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never see them doing there would be no
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other pressure for them to keep those
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chips updated so they actually might
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make them like it would basically raise
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of updating the Mack line to keep pace
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with the latest and greatest hardware
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and I think the last thing Apple he
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heats us for that cost to be raised
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because right now they already seem to
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have a lot of trouble justifying
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investment in the Mac so if it's more
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expensive to update the Mac to you know
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update Mac hardware to the latest
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generation of whatever that actually
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could really backfire quite badly on us
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and we that could result in even less
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attention even fewer updates even less
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competitive performance to what the rest
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of industry is doing it's like the the
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trashcan Mac Pro we were like oh why
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isn't Apple updated to use the latest
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Zeon's we'll imagine there were no
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latest eons and I would say we're using
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the highest performance yes a whatever
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processes are available it's like yeah
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but well you got me there I mean they
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are you just haven't made another one so
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technically it is still using the
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fastest one Yeah right like you get the
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good and the bad with like bringing this
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stuff in-house to Apple you get probably
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pretty good performance and power
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efficiency gains but at the cost of now
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you're at the wins of Apple and Apple is
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you know fickle and in in many areas
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unreliable and you know this you would
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be at the whims of whatever they felt
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worth doing even more than you are now
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because the cost of keeping the things
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updated would be higher to them that's
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worth mentioning the other angle that a
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lot of people are talking about mostly
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because this Bloomberg article is so
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careful not to say anything definitive
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about anything they're like well you
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know that Bloomberg girl doesn't
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actually say arm anywhere they're just
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Apple would make its own chips what if
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they make their own x86 chips and they
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can do that you know money solves a lot
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patents licensing instruction set
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whatever you know dealing with Intel
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like assuming you threw enough money of
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the people you need to throw money at to
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be allowed to do that
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Alpo could probably make a pretty good
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x86 chip I have a hard time believing
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Apple could make it substantially better
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x86 check than Intel because apples
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expertise thus far has been in making
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arm CPUs and x86 even just plain old
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664 is a much more let's say warty
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instruction set than arm it's got a lot
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of history behind it it's weird in lots
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of interesting ways and intel has a lot
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of experience and you know instruction
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decode hardware and all sorts of you
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know chip within a chip ways to crack
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apart those big variable with
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instructions and feed it into a machine
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that works more like a modern processor
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on the inside I mean it's not as big a
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difference as people think because
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modern you know arm risk style
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processors also have to do lots of weird
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stuff internally as well but there's a
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lot of institutional expertise both AMD
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and Intel have that Apple does not have
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when it comes to figuring out how to
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make the x86 instruction set faster even
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just the x86 64 one which is much nicer
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than a 32-bit or let alone the 16-bit or
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whatever variants so I it that seems
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much less likely to me like it really
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hammers on what Marko was getting at
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which is like okay Apple now you're on
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now you have something to keep up with
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you're making your own x86 chips and so
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we can still ask the question hey Apple
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you have an update that whatever chip in
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your whatever Mac for a long time
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meanwhile Intel has released three new
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chips that are faster what's the deal
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you could just use those Intel chips why
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did you go on your own or it's at least
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if they do arm we can't tell them you
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know unless someone else decides to make
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like 17 core ARM chips they're
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stubbornly refusing to use in their new
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arm Mac Pro whatever so that I think
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this this realization and everything
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we're talking about is leading people to
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talk more around this blimp rogues story
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about I think for the first time I'm
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hearing people speculates more seriously
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about the idea of them having x86 at the
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high end and arm at the low end like for
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some sustained period of time rather
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than having a transition where you just
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say all the x86 Mac's are gone and all
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the Mac's are a whatever ARM chips but
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rather instead saying we're never going
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to make the investment to compete with
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Zeon's those are always gonna be Zeon's
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in the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro and we
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will keep up with Intel's line as much
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as we always have and we're just not
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going to do stuff there but for all for
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max that can essentially take drop-in
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chips from our iPad and phone line maybe
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with some minor tweaks in terms of
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adding more cash or maybe some more
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cores and you know beef your GPU and
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stuff like that those will get armed and
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as Marco said those are the majority of
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Mac's sold and like the the x86 max will
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just be as technical curiosity that
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nerds and developers use but then the
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max that most people buy to do basic
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computing stuff and word processing and
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run office and web browsing and run
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spreadsheets and watch Netflix and
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whatever else people want to do those
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will all be armed and that is an
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unprecedented move because Apple has
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never had a sustained dual CPU strategy
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on the Mac it has always been a
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transition old chip goes out and your
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chip comes in new chip has lots of
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advantages everyone loves the new chip
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look how fast it is look how fast
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graphing calculator runs on the PowerPC
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look how fast everything runs on x86
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versus these ancient power pcs that IBM
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doesn't update anymore I am NOT
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enthusiastic about that future even
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though it makes sense from a technical
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perspective in terms of like what you
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want to spend money on and what you
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don't because tomorrow is earlier point
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dealing with an OS that runs on two
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different platforms is a who is it I
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think a TP tipster said it on Twitter is
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a bug multiplier like potentially there
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are new bugs that might only exist on
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one platform or another throwing another
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very it's not double the bugs right
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because not every bug is architecture
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specific but throwing another variable
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into the mix especially as variable as
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significant as the instruction set is
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not the best way to drive down bugs and
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cost and it could be that the software
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maintaining the software and dealing
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with the bugs and the changes there is
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actually more expensive than dealing
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with the hardware I don't know how that
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shakes out in the grand scheme of things
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exactly how many millions of dollars it
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would cost to build a Zeon competitor
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yourself versus how many millions of
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dollars it would cost to maintain in
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perpetuity or at least for a decade or
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so two architectures that you make and
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OS the same OS for with the same apps
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compiled the stat minor II
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to toolchains and all the other stuff so
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that also strikes me it's not ideal
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likely the simplest solutions are that
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Apple nope doesn't do this transition or
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that they transition everything to the
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same architecture on all their devices
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and any sort of hybrid thing though it
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might make sense from a nickel-and-dime
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perspective I bet if you had to pitch it
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to the Board of Directors it would seem
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to too much like a half-measure and they
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would say why don't we just all go if
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you had to pitch them and say we're
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gonna go all armed and it's unified and
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we have a unified framework and a
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unified architecture and we own all the
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stuff that is way easier to sell to a
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board of directors than any of the more
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technical solutions where you leave the
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pro Max's x86 and you support both of
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them and have two tool trains two
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compilers in fact binaries and you don't
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transition I you know I don't think
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that's a that's a winner it's funny
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because I'm of two minds about this
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whole thing the KC from a couple of
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years ago that lived in VMware fusion in
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Windows but on a Mac would most likely
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really hate this and this is exactly
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what you were talking about earlier John
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that you know one of the advantages of
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being able to virtualize a OS or a
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platform that's based on the same
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platform you're running is that it
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happens really really fast right this is
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in contrast to in this hypothetical
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future when you're trying to emulate x86
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on top of arm and who knows maybe this
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phantom apple processor would be so damn
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fast that you could get away with it but
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the likelihood of that is not good and
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so you know past KC who is doing Windows
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development on his Mac does not want
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this at all and I think the last time we
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really spoke about this seriously I was
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still that KC that that does not want
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this at all but the current me that only
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works on Xcode and you know other things
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that are native to the Mac and I haven't
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run Windows in at least a year if not
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more I don't feel like I have a problem
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with this and the thought of my beloved
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12-inch MacBook being faster with a
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battery that lasts even longer which to
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be fair I don't have any particular
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complaints about the battery on this
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►
thing but that being said you can always
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have more more is always better so
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having a 12-inch MacBook that is
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considerably faster and yet has much
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better battery life that sounds friggin
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awesome like I totally want that
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but what I'm not really doing is
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considering what am I losing out on
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because maybe there's some there's some
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app that's vital to my workflow that I
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won't be able to use anymore like you
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know ffmpeg I believe is open-source so
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presumably I could compile from source
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if I needed to but just let's suppose
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for the sake of discussion that ffmpeg
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was never built forearm could not be
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built forearm like that would stink I
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use ffmpeg all the time for stupid stuff
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that doesn't matter but it but you know
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whether or not it matters it's important
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to me it matters to me
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weight to be clear you use it on the
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12-inch every great once well not
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usually but perhaps not my best choice
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of analogies or a examples but but you
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get my point right is that there maybe
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maybe it's the app rocket which lets you
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you know easily insert emoji pretty much
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anywhere in the system you know it's a
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rocket is a modern app I would assume if
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this X eighties excuse me if this arm
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thing happened that rocket would get
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updated but what if for the sake of
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discussion rocket isn't updated I use
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rocket constantly probably hundreds of
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times a day and if it didn't get updated
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that would really bum me out and so
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there there are probably trade-offs that
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I'm not considering but on the surface
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and going on the assumption that it you
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know a this phantom new Apple processor
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that goes in the 12-inch MacBook is you
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know five times faster and that uses
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half as much power or whatever the case
◼
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may be I think that sounds freaking
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great an Apple being in control of its
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own pipeline sounds freaking great but
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who knows I mean like you guys were
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saying maybe it would be that Apple
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makes crummy desktop level CPUs maybe it
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would be that they're even slower than
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Intel like we don't know how it would
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turn out but on the server is it faster
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and then they don't make a new one for
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three years yeah like you never know how
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it's gonna turn out but the optimist in
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me thinks hell yeah like even if even if
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it's painful at first because some of
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the things I really love don't get you
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know don't get moved to like fat binary
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or whatever they end up doing in
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principle this sounds great I'm all I'm
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all in on it I think I'd really like to
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see how this plays out but it sounds
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like we're waiting until at least
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20 20 if not after that so we'll say uh
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or steak you want to put in dates no
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think your windows VM thing like I think
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that's a definitely a pretty rare case
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because you really really wanted to use
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a Mac but we're kind of doing Windows
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developing and you can get away with it
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because of VMware but I'm honestly I'm
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surprised you were able to tolerate that
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because that's no way to live an imac
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constantly be using VMware to do Windows
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stuff what's my alternative use a Dell
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I'm not a monster yeah I know at some
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point maybe that's better but like the
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reason I brought into the point is that
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yeah the reason I brought up server side
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of stuff it's not just because it's what
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I do for a living but because they're
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there you know think of the big the big
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tech companies you know you've got Apple
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what is it Apple Google Amazon maybe
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Microsoft Facebook right Facebook Amazon
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increasingly Microsoft and Google write
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a lot of or mostly server-side software
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and when you picture the stereotypical
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developer who works at any of those
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companies and you picture them using a
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Mac and being a cool tech nerd hipster
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person they're writing server-side
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software on the Mac and I have to think
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that there is some aspect of having the
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same CPU architecture as all of their
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servers makes that a more desirable
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development platform and there are a lot
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of those people right I don't know how
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many people are using a Mac to do
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Windows development because they hate
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Windows so much but there are a lot of
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people writing server-side software and
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my impression is that Mac's are very
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prevalent at those companies and that's
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why I think it's a use case that
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actually may raise to the level of being
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a factor in Apple's decision they will
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at least consider it right because you
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know like just think of the apple says
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well we considered it but it's not
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important enough use case it's too small
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like we care about consumers right so
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fine ten years from now if you went into
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Facebook or Google or Microsoft or
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Amazon and looked at all the developers
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who are doing server-side development
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what would it look like would it still
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be filled with Mac's or would they be
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and people switch to what to to Windows
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to Linux I don't know something that's
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still on x86 or it could be that by
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initiating this thing that Apple finally
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kick-starts all other companies to start
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pushing arm on the server more and
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Amazon rolls that arm on the server for
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all your ec2 instances and everything
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and you know Microsoft arm on Windows
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really starts to take off and Intel just
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really has a bad decade it really just
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fades from prominence and we're all
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happy because we're all using arm
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everywhere like that's a possibility I
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suppose but you know I just the big tech
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companies these days aren't the big tech
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companies because they make native
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applications and hardware most of the
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big temp tech companies are big because
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they run server-side software on cloud
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infrastructure on x86 CPUs and their
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developers all used Macs and run docker
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and stuff yeah just to clarify what I
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was saying earlier about ffmpeg that was
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really a crummy example because ffmpeg
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is open source so presumably like I
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think I said it earlier but that could
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be rebuilt from source but there's got
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to be some closed source thing maybe
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it's an Adobe product which doesn't
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typically get updated very well maybe
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it's some other thing maybe it's make
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MKV maybe it's any number of other apps
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that maybe you wouldn't be able to
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recompile yourself from source and maybe
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won't ever get upgraded or updated I
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should say for this new platform and
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then you would never be able to run that
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app again and that would really stink or
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you would have to be used some sort of
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what was the virtual virtualization but
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the thing that thank you were they you
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would have some sort of Rosetta style
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situation where yes you can still run it
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but it's at you know a compromised
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performance and blah blah blah so that's
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the thing that worries me is that
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sitting here now I'm all enthusiastic
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yeah give me my arm MacBook adorable
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give it to me tomorrow but maybe I'd get
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that arm MacBook adorable and realize oh
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this this grass isn't quite as green as
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I thought mark or any other thoughts on
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this I think the the software argument
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is is a good one like I think in any
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transition like this one of the big
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risks and problems is that you do lose
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some apps you lose software like you
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know when we went from PowerPC to Intel
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not everything made it along the
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now the Mack is in a very different
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place than where it was in 2006 when
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that transition really happened you know
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now a whole lot more Mack software's
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really in maintenance mode or being
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totally unmaintained and the software
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the people still use you know like a lot
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of developer attention moved to mobile
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and a lot of Mac developers no longer
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work on their apps or rather than the
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apps the developers have a lot of Mac
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apps are no longer working on them so
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the magazine is in a kind of a bad spot
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to go through an architecture transition
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with no other modifications I think this
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is possibly one of the reasons why I'm
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so excited about this idea of project
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marzipan of having iOS and Mac kind of
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cross having cross compatibility between
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the apps is that I think that could
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really revive a lot of the Macs off our
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market in theirs they were that would
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dramatically I think increase the
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developer interest in the Mac and and
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developer support of the Mac because it
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would lower that barrier allowed more
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skills to be shared a lot more code to
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be shared cetera so you know we talked
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about that before so anything to to
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revive software interest in the Mac of
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among developers would be very well
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timed to go before or during a partial
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or full architectural transition because
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that's when you need the developers to
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be active on the Mac is right now if you
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look around like like you know we're
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►
about to lose a 32-bit probably this
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almost everyone probably has something
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that will break you and we show this on
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iOS too like when when I always drop
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32-bit almost everyone lost something
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and if you might have been using any
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more but you know you know not
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everything made it and that's how this
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is gonna be - like if max transition
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away from Intel not everything is going
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to make it we're already losing some a
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lot of things with 32-bit and so to do
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that without significant destruction and
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problems for your users you need a
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healthy and well maintained software
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ecosystem the Mac had that in 2006 and
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that's why PowerPC to Intel went so well
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it's hard to say the Mac
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has that now so this kind of transition
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I think would be a very bad idea unless
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and until the Mac has more active
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development from third parties on it and
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right now I don't see that happening
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without some kind of major intervention
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and project marzipan could be that I and
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I so that's one of the reasons again I
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really hope that happens yeah I think
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the good news is that if either one of
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these things happen I don't think anyone
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can imagine a sequence in which the
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marzipan anything doesn't come either
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before simultaneous with the CPU
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►
transition just because it takes so long
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to make CPUs and Apple has already
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dabbled in what it takes to reuse stuff
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that you wrote in iOS on the Mac and so
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like it see that just seems so much
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closer to being a reality to me than a
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CPU transition so I think we will get
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something to address the GUI API parity
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between iOS and the Mac before any CPU
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transition or at exactly the same time
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as a CPU transition for for the reasons
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you just set because it's Apple I think
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recognized is the same thing that going
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through a transition with the Mac market
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the way it is it's just gonna make more
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people say well that's the last straw
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screw it I'm just gonna be an iOS
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developer or do something else well see
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it's exciting times ahead maybe possibly
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you never know alright let's do some
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oh please writes hey we'll lift be
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generally available during WDC as in not
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swamped with users or should I rent a
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car if I want to see the things around
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San Jose like the Computer History
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Museum in my experience from only one
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year of WDC in San Jose it was fine like
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I can't remember ever waiting on a lift
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for any particular reason or for any
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particular amounts of time I didn't have
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any trouble so I don't know about you
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compared to San Francisco San Jose is
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like a neutron bomb went off like
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there's nobody there there is there's a
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weird side effect though like it's a
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you're right first of all San Jose is
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empty the relatively speaking
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the problem with San Jose so it's kind
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of like the inverse plot of The Truman
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Show where it seems like you walking
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around are the only human being there
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and everyone who works
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every establishment in San Jose seems
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like they're an actor and for the very
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first time ever you are asking them to
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do their job that is a bit much but you
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are closer to the truth that I really
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want to admit well welcome to California
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like its it really does seem like you
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are like the first customer
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everyone's ever had everyone it's their
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first day on the job like it's we we
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found this to be the case last year
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almost everywhere we went almost every
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day it like and in various different
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contexts like it just seems like the
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city it seems like this is the first
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time people had ever come here and I
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know it's I know that's not the case
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like I know you know this is a big city
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like obviously people are here all the
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time but it's not that big that's the
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thing it's not a big city so anyway
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hiring like lifts and stuff you know for
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your time there you might have to tell
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the person how to drive you are the
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first person to ever ask them to do
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their job you know obviously at least
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that's how it will seem so I don't know
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what happened in San Jose to make
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everybody behave this way but that's how
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it felt the entire time
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San Jose from the perspective of an
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adopted New Yorker you ain't wrong all
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right Bart hoofs rights hey should I use
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the new CloudFlare DNS thing or should I
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stay with Google's DNS thing
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so to recap google has a free and not
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open but a free DNS it's the DNS servers
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actually the IP address 8.8.8.8 and what
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you can do is you can use Google's DNS
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which is supposed to provide perks
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although honestly I'm not even sure what
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they are anymore the last time I used it
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the only thing it really provided for me
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was making things like YouTube slower
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because I I was hitting servers that
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were very far away from where I was
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sitting I guess one of the advantages is
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it prevents your ISP from knowing as
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easily what web addresses you're going
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to and things of that nature instead
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you're giving it to Google because
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that's a better choice but nevertheless
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►
but yeah so that that was a thing it is
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►
useful if your ISPs DNS perhaps the bed
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►
is a comcastic thing to happen but I
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don't know I've never really had that
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trouble on on files or of your ISP does
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stupid redirects where they they take
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over the DNS when you do they mean you
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typo something and throw you to some
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stupid page to reuse ISP DNS because
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they do that well also like you know I
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really don't trust ISPs to be ethical at
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all because they have shown in the u.s.
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that they're not like they're just not
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they they will do anything and
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everything to be as sleazy as possible
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because what are you gonna do about it
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there's no competition and now there's
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►
no FCC to regulate them so they can do
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whatever they want and they know it and
◼
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they do like I would actually trust
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Google more than I would trust Verizon
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any major ISP in this country because at
◼
►
least Google like there's a lot riding
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on that if they mess up if they do
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something creepy like so I think they're
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less likely to try creepy stuff and if
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they do creepy stuff they're less likely
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to to get hacked and have my information
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leaked all over the place so there's
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►
there's a few reasons why I think I
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►
would trust Google over any ISP that
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being said I think I trust CloudFlare
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more than any of them because a they're
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►
not an advertising company and B they've
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►
spelled out in their post announcing
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this like why they're doing this for
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free what's in it for them like what is
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their business plan here and their
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business plan is in part because they
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seem to honestly care about making the
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internet a better place and in part
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because they offer Enterprise DNS
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services that would be better and are
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►
faster if more people who access the
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enterprise's sites are using their DNS
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on the client-side so there is a clear
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business reason why this benefits
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CloudFlare to do that does not depend on
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►
creepy stuff that I don't want them to
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be doing yeah systems good I'm not using
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it personally but I I will say that I
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would be far more likely to use this
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►
than Google's thing I do use my eyes p's
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►
dns because I don't often fat-finger
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►
URLs so I don't see that god-awful
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►
Verizon search page that I hate that it
◼
►
hijacks when you enter a bogus URL they
◼
►
used to have a way for you to turn that
◼
►
like you go to Verizon's preferences and
◼
►
find it somewhere and say please don't
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but there still is it's it's poorly
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►
documented but like if you change like
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the last digit of your DNS servers in a
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certain way like you get you get
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alternate ones yeah yeah that used to be
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that used to be the way but there's a
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►
lot of like outdated documentation on
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that and sometimes what used to works
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►
stops working and it's it's annoying
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sorry I dig up on your on your concern
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KC about eight eight eight and eight
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eight eight eight four four the other
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one like that's my concern and my
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experience with them as well as like a
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lot of the the ISP DNS likes a sort of
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local DNS use the fact that that that
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DNS is local to get to give you
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different names for common services so
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you hit the closer incarnation of it and
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if you use the Google one so the theory
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went that it didn't know where you were
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to as much you know like and it would
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just send you to a server far away or
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that has a worse route to you I'm pretty
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►
sure Google with is a date thing
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does a bunch of stuff to try to make
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that less severe in other words is
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you're not going to some central DNS
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server in the middle of the country that
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gives everyone the same number for all
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the different services and that's why
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you know like it tries to be local like
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all Google thing it's massively
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►
distributed it's not just one thing in
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one place but my experience has been
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►
that whatever that local thing is it's
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►
not local enough and still occasionally
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►
I will get poor performance on the flip
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►
side sometimes you'll get better
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performance because if you try using
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your ISPs DNS I found is PDS to be
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►
unreliable as in no-name resolves or
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►
crappy as and it gives me like the same
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IP for that name as everyone else was on
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my the same ISP as me and it's crowded
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►
and if I switch to a today they get
◼
►
better traffic but either way I just I
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think CloudFlare is probably doing the
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►
same thing as Google in that regard I
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didn't I didn't read their full blog
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post but that that concern is real and
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does sometimes ever on vacations and
◼
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that's why I hesitate to suggest to
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non-technical friends and family oh you
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shouldn't use the ISP DNS just always
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use a today there or one on one
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whatever because if they do find
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themselves in a situation where they're
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being sent to a server far away and they
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get terrible forms they're gonna have no
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►
idea how to debug that and I feel like
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it's better for them to just use the ISP
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►
DNS so then at least when it breaks they
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►
know the number to call and complain to
◼
►
people and the complaint will be
◼
►
legitimate and they won't find
◼
►
themselves in a situation where they the
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►
ISP support person eventually discovers
◼
►
that they have some weird dns and say oh
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►
there's your problem just they're at the
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mercy or their ISP in more ways than one
◼
►
but even for me I think maybe half of
◼
►
the devices in my house use the Google
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DNS but the other half use the native
◼
►
ones and I choose based on how important
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it is for that device to get good video
◼
►
streaming from like Netflix or whatever
◼
►
not an ideal situation
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►
ideal situation would be if the kind of
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technical expertise general morality and
◼
►
aligned business success incentives
◼
►
demonstrated by CloudFlare actually
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existed in is peace but we do not live
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in that country no not even close which
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all right so Josh Rappaport asks hey
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John with the release of Mac OS 10 point
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three point four have you considered
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►
getting an external GPU enclosure and a
◼
►
fancy graphics card can you do more in
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►
gaming on your Mac you can your Mac even
◼
►
support this isn't it way too old for
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►
this it doesn't even have thunderbolt
◼
►
yeah I don't I can't I'm running out
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►
Capitan I can't even run Sierra John's
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Mac doesn't even have USB 3 nope to the
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question about external GPUs
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I think those are a good solution for
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people who need to use GPU incentive
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intensive things on a computer that
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can't fit an internal GPU so laptops
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right and my main concern in the laptop
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realm is based on my experience using my
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2017 15 inch macbook pro at work
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constantly connecting and disconnecting
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it to my monitor and a hub thing that
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gives me USB a connections and you know
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what else comes off of that
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well maybe DisplayPort for my old
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monitor or whatever anyway I plug it
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into a thing that periodically makes it
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turn on the discrete GPU and connect up
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to a an external monitor and the
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reliability of that is terrible there I
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have to do all sorts of weird dances and
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do things to make sure the machine
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doesn't feel too rushed or too hassled
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by me plugging and unplugging things
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very often I plug it in and it just
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no no unplug it and plug it in again oh
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maybe in a little potentially sometimes
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no matter how many times I plug it in
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and unplug it I have to pull the power
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cord out of my hub thing that it's
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connected to and basically reboot the
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hub thingy sometimes it freezes with a
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black screen and so like all this is
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making me think do I really want to be
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plugging and unplugging a GPU and
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thinking this operating system is gonna
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handle that gracefully because it can't
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even handle plugging into an external
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monitor in a consistent manner so I am
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NOT optimistic about how good an
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experience it will be to use an external
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GPU but especially to connect an
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external GPU to a system that didn't
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previously have it and disconnect it
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without doing all sorts of dances and
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jumping through hoops and bending over
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backwards to make sure the machine isn't
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too rushed or isn't too upset
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I mean plugging in the second GPU so my
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faith and the reliability of the Mac
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operating system to handle this is
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shaken despite the fact that I realize
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this is a revolutionary feature for the
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part of people who are on the go
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previously had no way to to increase the
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GPU power of their portable machine like
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you do only so much you could fit in
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that case and they were just the fans
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would be spinning you get the hottest
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one you could and it would still be
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terrible and now all of a sudden you're
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telling me I can get this little
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external enclosure and have massively
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more powerful GPU maybe they'll just
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deal with the bugs and they'll just be
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worth it for them to be able to do like
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live video previews of 4k video or
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whatever they're doing with their GPU
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rendering stuff like that but for me
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personally like I would not my choice of
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a gaming rig would not be a Mac laptop
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there's a reason I'm waiting for the Mac
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Pro so I don't know I'm not personal
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►
interested in this thanks to our
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Kaspar Squarespace and Rover and we'll
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they didn't even mean to begin cuz it
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was accidental oh it was accidental John
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didn't do any research Marko and Casey
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because it was accidentally was
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accidental and you can find the show
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notes at a TPM and if you can follow
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them CAS II WA L is s so that's Casey
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less and a are Co AR m and T Marco
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Arment SI r AC Syracuse
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so Casey I think I have a solution to
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your BMW problem if I'm trying to solve
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my BMW problem with Morgan with more BMW
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spend a shitload of money then yes you
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have definitely found a solution for me
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BMW is come up with a subscription
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service you heard that right that is not
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it is now offering a subscription
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service only in Nashville or I'm sorry
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it will be offering a subscription
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service only in Nashville for $2,000 a
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month and thousand dollars a month you
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can choose between x5s for syriza's five
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syriza's plug-in hybrids etc and they
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will deliver with like white-glove
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►
service they will deliver the car you
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►
want to your door they will take away
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the car you already have and you can be
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assured that the car you are given is
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freshly detailed etc etc for $3,700 a
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month you can alternatively get access
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to m4 m5 m6 convertibles as well as x5m
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►
etc none of these apparently offer the 7
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Series but you know whatever but what's
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►
interesting about this is it includes
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not only access to the car but insurance
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maintenance roadside assistance etcetera
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etcetera etcetera so if you are willing
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to trade an asinine amount of money for
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a fair bit of convenience you can get a
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suite or a fleet I should say of BMWs at
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your disposal and I think in general
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this is a pretty cool idea as long as
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you don't have kids where you have to
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plug in a car seat as long as you're not
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the kind of person that likes to have a
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whole bunch of things sitting around in
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►
your car be that a rag or a charger
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►
perhaps a obscenely overpriced car
◼
►
charger to go with your obscenely
◼
►
overpriced BMW subscription do you have
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a rag in your car yes I have a rag in my
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car why wouldn't you have a rag in here
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alright what kind of rag do you have
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I believe generally speaking it is a
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blue surgical rag that was never used
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for surgery but my my uncle was a eye
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surgeon for the longest time and he
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would either purchase or snag a series
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►
of these blue rags that are probably
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►
about a foot square and they are the
◼
►
best rags for general purpose use and
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they're intended to be used in like
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surgeries and things but he would just
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grab them and then give a batch to my
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dad or me and it is sitting in the
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►
little container compartment whatever in
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►
in the driver side door so if I ever
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have to say wipe off the inside of the
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inside of the of the windshield because
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maybe I've had my windows open and some
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like you know that kind of like film
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►
that gets on the inside after a while
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►
you can wipe it off with that if you
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►
ever have to kill a spider because
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►
somehow spider has found its way into
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►
your car yeah but then you're then
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►
you're smearing spiders all over the
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►
windshield after the next time you clean
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►
yeah yeah so the reason I asked about it
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►
is because it brought back memories of
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my grandfather who also had a rag in his
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car but it was a filthy rag and it was
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in the trunk and it was used to clean
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off the dipstick when you're checking
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►
the oil yeah that's the I'm more curious
◼
►
what it what are these rags used for in
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the surgery I think to mop up blood and
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►
things like that third eye surgeon
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►
that's it's not terribly useful right or
◼
►
one would hope not anyway but for
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►
general purpose surgeries I'm assuming
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►
that's what they're for speaking of
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►
surgery and surgical cleanliness the
◼
►
reason I was moaning about you about
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your use of this rag that you keep in
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that the door pocket to clean the inside
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of your windshield is because mm-hmm be
◼
►
first of all the inside every wind chill
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►
is a hard spot to clean it's
◼
►
inconvenient it's hard to reach right
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►
you know like just arm angle wise and
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stuff does all sorts of film of your
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►
human gross miss like collects on there
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►
and everything but the other problem
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►
especially I imagined in Casey's car
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►
well that you can correct me if I'm
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►
wrong is that potentially you may use
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something to clean the dashboard that is
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►
right below the windshield some kind of
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►
product to to keep that clean there
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►
maintained it or protected from UV or
◼
►
whatever you're thinking like armor-all
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►
or equivalent or anything like that
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►
right something something other than
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►
just a completely dry rag to clean that
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►
part of your dashboard and make it look
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►
if you touch the rag that you're using
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►
to clean the inside of your dashboard
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►
to the the inside of your windshield if
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►
you touch that to the dashboard and then
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►
bring that to your windshield you're in
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►
for a world of hurt because the last
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►
thing you wanted to do is have even a
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►
corner of that thing touch your armor
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►
all covered dashboard and then smear
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►
that all over your window because you
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►
will spend the rest of your life with
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►
your arm at a weird angle of trying to
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get that stuff off the inside of your
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►
windshield and it is not easy so to try
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►
it there's some good YouTube videos
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►
about this for the like the correct and
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►
only sane way to clean the inside of
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your windshield involves basically
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►
surgical cleanliness it's like you're
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►
like you're in you know this looking
◼
►
chip fab a cleanroom you must use a rag
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►
perfectly clean freshly cleaned has not
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►
touched anything else you use it to wipe
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►
off the gross film then maybe you can
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►
use the other side of that rag and then
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►
it's done then you have to get your next
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rag and you can't touch it to any part
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►
of the trim or anything else that might
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►
have arm roll on it like this is a
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►
disaster alright I have an alternate
◼
►
ever goes in my car I hate armor oh I
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►
hate the idea that I touch any surface
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►
and it's greasy that is awful there was
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►
one time where like a detailer used it
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►
without asking and it drove me nuts I
◼
►
was like taking like a beach towel like
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►
wiping it like trying to wipe it all off
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►
probably smearing it all over the inside
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►
of your windshield yeah why we're all is
◼
►
the worst but there are lots of things
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►
that you can use to clean the inside of
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►
your car all of them have in various
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►
ways are you do not want them touching
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►
your windshield no they don't all vacuum
◼
►
cleaner and cloth that's all you need to
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►
clean a car you don't need like two like
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►
coat your your dashboard with the grease
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►
unfortunately even water even like
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►
dampness the problem is the grease comes
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►
from you from your body
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►
what's collecting on the inside of your
◼
►
windshield is human scum right it's
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►
coming from inside the car that also
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►
settles on your dashboard so even just
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►
rubbing it with a dry cloth you were
◼
►
picking up some some grease and if you
◼
►
if you would like to rub the top of your
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►
dashboard with a dry cloth and then take
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►
that same dry cloth and rub your
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►
windshield you are adding to the mess on
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►
your windshield clean the inside of your
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►
windshield is really hard to do I and
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I'm terrible at it by the way like don't
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►
think just because I reference those
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►
YouTube videos I show you how to do it
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►
right I am terrible I which is why I
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►
difficult actually is to do I mean maybe
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►
maybe I'm just not as as greasy greasy
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►
is you guys I'm Italian I I don't
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►
I hardly ever have to clean somebody
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►
said I just don't touch it and by not
◼
►
touching it I almost never have to do
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►
but that is one that is a reasonable
◼
►
policy because a lot of people make the
◼
►
mistake of getting something on their
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►
windshield and then they try to like rub
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►
it with their hand or something an
◼
►
accident has grease on it started the
◼
►
cycle of grease Christmas but Casey's
◼
►
rag that thing I would never touch that
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►
to the inside of my windshield because I
◼
►
think you're just making it worse like
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►
you okay so you need to come on you're
◼
►
you are fancy enough of a car person you
◼
►
need to come on board they like time to
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►
crack out the completely sealed
◼
►
completely sterile never seen the light
◼
►
of day rag which I will carefully handle
◼
►
with my perfectly clean hands and wipe
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►
down the inside of my windshield maybe
◼
►
not even the whole windshield but just
◼
►
half of it and then throw that thing
◼
►
away and then your rag just keeping the
◼
►
keeping the trunk for dipstick checking
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►
or you can just have lower standards can
◼
►
we get back to the point so BMW has a
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►
subscription starter so do you think the
◼
►
BMW concierge a car seat what if you
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►
have a rag I mean cuz they they say they
◼
►
would they will personally deliver the
◼
►
vehicle they arrived fully fueled and
◼
►
freshly detailed with personal
◼
►
preferences already preset say can I get
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►
a filthy rag in the door pocket yeah
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►
well what do you mean by personal
◼
►
preference is it just like where the
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►
seat is or can it be like can you also
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►
install this particular brand of car
◼
►
seat in this spot load the pocket below
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►
it with these three toys my kid likes
◼
►
and wants to play with in the car today
◼
►
put my brand of sunglasses in the
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►
sunglass holder that is probably not
◼
►
there because BMW doesn't percent less
◼
►
holders anywhere how far will this go
◼
►
could you get them to even pick your
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►
scent in the 7 Series I think yeah like
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►
could you get them to include one of
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►
these surgical rags that mops up KC's
◼
►
uncle's eye blood in the door pocket so
◼
►
you can reach it and can can they pre
◼
►
clean the windshield for you so that you
◼
►
don't get anyone elses ambient grease
◼
►
and on your windshield well they say it
◼
►
is detailed so you shouldn't have to do
◼
►
anything the windshield should be
◼
►
sparkling clean when you get it yeah but
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►
I just think this is an interesting
◼
►
thing the first I'd heard of this was
◼
►
actually with Volvo with the new XC 40
◼
►
you get euro and XZ 40 and you can the
◼
►
interesting thing about this actually I
◼
►
could swear I had read that you can do
◼
►
this all via an app on your phone which
◼
►
how does that make sense when there's
◼
►
payment involved it's not it's like
◼
►
Netflix for cars you just you just
◼
►
constantly get a bill for $3,700 every
◼
►
month and that covers all the cost of
◼
►
you picking whatever vehicle you want
◼
►
like it more than covers the cost they
◼
►
just charge you too much yeah but but in
◼
►
the case of Volvo you know they're
◼
►
saying what makes care by Volvo unique
◼
►
which is what they're calling their
◼
►
subscription Verve the service no down
◼
►
payment no price negotiation one flat
◼
►
monthly fee with no surprises includes
◼
►
premium insurance no matter where you
◼
►
live maintenance and excess wear
◼
►
coverage upgrade to new Volvo is in as
◼
►
little as 12 months subscribe easily
◼
►
online or via the app and a 15,000 mile
◼
►
allowance per year like if I was
◼
►
interested in an XC 40 which that's not
◼
►
the kind of car that I particularly want
◼
►
this is a really really cool idea I
◼
►
don't know how much the Volvo setup
◼
►
costs and oh there you go starting $600
◼
►
a month for the base model $700 a month
◼
►
for their equivalent of the M Sport
◼
►
which they call our drive or excuse me
◼
►
our design but the BMW version is you
◼
►
know many times that and yes I think
◼
►
it's a cool idea and I kind of like
◼
►
where this is going the thought of just
◼
►
paying one monthly fee to have
◼
►
everything taken care of is really cool
◼
►
yeah but but there but believe me
◼
►
they're charging you for like this is
◼
►
not none of these things are good deals
◼
►
financially speaking peace of mind wise
◼
►
you may be appealing to you to say oh
◼
►
and I just don't have to worry about it
◼
►
but you are paying not to worry and
◼
►
you're paying I loves like like for the
◼
►
the $3,700 a month one for the high one
◼
►
to get like the M cards like you can
◼
►
lease an m5 for like $1,000 a month
◼
►
and insurance on it is gonna be less
◼
►
than that more it's not gonna be another
◼
►
thousand a month at least three M fives
◼
►
and you could just rotate them each day
◼
►
yeah and another thing is like you see
◼
►
you just said like oh it wouldn't it be
◼
►
great if you could just pay a monthly
◼
►
fee and have written taken care of you
◼
►
can do that already it's called leasing
◼
►
that's it already takes care of almost
◼
►
all well but it doesn't do insurance
◼
►
like not to say that paying an insurance
◼
►
bill it does include maintenance and
◼
►
roadside assistance and you get a
◼
►
concierge to your house oh I never tell
◼
►
it's the same car all the time I mean
◼
►
this is totally for rich people who are
◼
►
like Oh today I want to try this car
◼
►
today I want to obey Him w came out with
◼
►
a new car is that included in my head
◼
►
fix for cars sure it is Oh trade this
◼
►
you know like you really I feel like you
◼
►
really have to have a lot of time and
◼
►
also at Casey's point not a lot of junk
◼
►
in your car to do this kind of rotation
◼
►
although like I was trying to think of
◼
►
things in my life that have been like
◼
►
this that actually have been
◼
►
ridiculously good deals and I thought of
◼
►
one which I'm sure this doesn't exist
◼
►
anymore but someone can write and tell
◼
►
me when I was kid I went skiing almost
◼
►
every year and when I was teen I was
◼
►
wanted to buy fancy new skis for myself
◼
►
for a huge amount of money and the only
◼
►
way to know which keys you wanna buy is
◼
►
to try a bunch of skis kind of like
◼
►
and at the mountain they have they have
◼
►
demos you could go to the ski shop and
◼
►
say I want a demo skis and you'd give
◼
►
them some paltry amount of money I don't
◼
►
remember it was maybe it was $15 $10 $20
◼
►
and how much gonna cost yeah exactly but
◼
►
it was a really seeming small to me then
◼
►
right and in exchange for that all day
◼
►
you can go to the ski shop and point to
◼
►
the $700 in 1990 money ski behind the
◼
►
counter that you wanted to try and so I
◼
►
want to try that one and you've given
◼
►
your ski boot and they would dress the
◼
►
bindings and say here you go I need to
◼
►
go up and take a run you come back down
◼
►
you say alright let me try that one and
◼
►
you point to the $800 nineteen nineties
◼
►
money ski over there and they would take
◼
►
your boot and adjust the bindings and
◼
►
give it to you you go up and come back
◼
►
down you can do that all day they change
◼
►
skis as many times you want no
◼
►
additional fee each time every time they
◼
►
would adjust the bindings for your ski
◼
►
boots on your weight and you would get
◼
►
to try hundreds and hundreds and
◼
►
hundreds of dollars of skis in one day
◼
►
for one flat fee of like ten or fifteen
◼
►
dollars now granted the lift tickets
◼
►
were 100 bucks in 1990 money but my
◼
►
parents were paying for those so I'd
◼
►
have to worry about it but I just I
◼
►
remember being amazed that like what a
◼
►
good deal it was like there was no
◼
►
equivalent of that it's as if you could
◼
►
for a fee of like $80 try as many bbws
◼
►
as you wanted for a week and just every
◼
►
time you wanted to go back to the dealer
◼
►
along I'd try that one now and you'd
◼
►
have to buy anything at the end of it
◼
►
and I didn't buy anything at the end of
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it I tried all these skis on real ski
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mountains which is why I found how I
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found my beloved Rossignol 7s to be the
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me just alone to this day well and like
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that actually is you know one possible
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reason why somebody could reasonably
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want a plan like this is like I mean I
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don't know what if they have like
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minimum terms but if you could just sign
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up for it for one month and like if you
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if you wanted to buy one of these cars
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but you couldn't decide which one and
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you didn't want to make like an
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►
expensive mistake you you know kiss
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$2,000 goodbye or whatever and just try
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basically having a one-month test-drive
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of all these different models and you
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►
could make you decision that way or say
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►
if you were trying to get a car review
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channel off the ground on YouTube and
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you needed access to a bunch of cars to
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review and you can schedule it so you
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had all them you could do them all in
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one month like imagine being able to
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review like seven different cars in one
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►
month because you'd have access to them
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I have to pay Casey for that so we can
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have as little demurrer ad in the front
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►
and say I got this car courtesy you know
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►
whatever Toyota the like you do a little
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►
ad for them like they pay you this is
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►
why I'm not a youtube car journalist
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►
yeah well neither am i these days
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►
apparently Porsche also has one called
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Porsche passport which is so related so
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you could try all two of their cars they
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have so many SUVs and Plus up some other
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cars in any case I just think it's a
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►
very cool idea I don't I don't know that
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it's gonna work for most people not the
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►
least of which because it's obscene
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►
amount of money but like you guys were
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saying this is trading money in favor of
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convenience and you know to your point
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Marko if you're gonna go this route like
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there's an argument that leasing would
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be just as good or almost as good you
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don't get a guaranteed one-year upgrade
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in a lease or most leases anyway like
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you would within in the case of the
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Volvo one and you don't get access to
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►
many cars in a lease like you can and
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this BMW or Porsche ones but I do think
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it's a cool idea and if you have more
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►
money than sense I mean the good thing
◼
►
is like this makes leasing look pretty
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►
reasonable by comparison like I'm like
◼
►
leasing like yeah like you don't get a
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you don't get every years new model but
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►
most cars like every year is a really
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►
minor update like in most cars they only
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►
change in substantial ways every you
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►
know three to five years so
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you know you don't need to get every
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single year and you know while I would
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miss the year while you would miss the
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concierge with your blood cloth I think
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there's a pretty good argument to be
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made that like the parts of this that
◼
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are appealing to you right now in theory
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are really directly saying like you're
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►
ready for a lease that's what this means
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►
like you are so ready for release
◼
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because you're like oh I can just pay a
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►
flat monthly fee and then like
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►
maintenance is included yes terribly
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►
used to do that and you don't have to
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►
worry about upgrades down the road yes
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►
yes exactly you can do it now like I can
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►
offer you a wonderful deal where I will
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►
offer you most of this service for a
◼
►
quarter of the price and you don't even
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►
have to be in Nashville oh that's great
◼
►
man reason I think of leasing is not for
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caseous because it will force him to
◼
►
make a new car buying decision every
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►
three months and I don't think the show
◼
►
can handle that yeah even every three
◼
►
years that's true if people just made
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►
cars I wanted to buy it would be so much
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►
like just make make the model three have
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►
an actual dashboard make the model s not
◼
►
a bazillion dollars make BMWs that don't
◼
►
break any of these would be reasonable
◼
►
options make a Golf R with a sunroof but
◼
►
here's the thing if you lease if you
◼
►
start a three-year lease today what
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►
you're doing is just kicking that can
◼
►
down the road for three years yes so
◼
►
that's great you can say no but you can
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►
say like you know what I would rather
◼
►
not think about this for the next three
◼
►
years I'll get back to it then it's like
◼
►
snoozing your car angst like he just
◼
►
snooze it for three years and you know
◼
►
remind me in three years to revisit the
◼
►
my car craziness in the meantime I will
◼
►
happily drive this thing that's being
◼
►
taken care of by the lease plan and I
◼
►
don't have to worry about his
◼
►
maintenance costs and the thing could be
◼
►
like an m3 or something Casey's just
◼
►
waiting for BMW to have a roundtable
◼
►
manual transmission reliable cars but I
◼
►
don't think that's in your future no I
◼
►
also my throat's burning from all the
◼
►
ginger I put in my lemon ginger honey
◼
►
things too much normally I just minced
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►
the ginger but this time I decided to to
◼
►
put a ginger and hot water solution in
◼
►
my blender and really puree the crap out
◼
►
of those really in there and Wow is it
◼
►
stronger that way using chemical weapons
◼
►
on yourself next Marco pepper sprays his
◼
►
throat yeah and then of course all the
◼
►
ginger like particles sank to the bottom
◼
►
of the cup so the whole time I was
◼
►
drinking it wasn't too bad but now I
◼
►
mean now at the bottom and now it's
◼
►
every sip is like fire mmm you just need
◼
►
to get crystallized ginger so you slowly
◼
►
the crystals did you know that ginger
◼
►
tea is almost always BS like if you try
◼
►
to get like just like bad ginger tea so
◼
►
it's all dried every single one time
◼
►
I've ever seen includes is one of the
◼
►
ingredients black pepper
◼
►
that's why is that BS because you don't
◼
►
like black pepper because they're trying
◼
►
to make it feel like fresh ginger with
◼
►
the burn in the back of your throat by
◼
►
making you drink black pepper basically
◼
►
ginger fresh ginger gives you a burn in
◼
►
the back of your I guess I don't need
◼
►
enough fresh ginger to know i mean i
◼
►
gender is spicy it's like there's like a
◼
►
spice to it but when you dry it out and
◼
►
and you know make dry teabags with it
◼
►
you lose that and so to make you think
◼
►
you're tasting more fresh ginger than
◼
►
you are they add black pepper to ginger
◼
►
tea bags to remind you of the burn that
◼
►
you get with fresh ginger but it's you
◼
►
know it's it's like engine noises it's
◼
►
like it's totally fake when do you eat
◼
►
fresh ginger other than this thing that
◼
►
you're doing to yourself because you're
◼
►
sick I'm not sick I use enjoy this okay
◼
►
yes it's fresh but then you chop it up
◼
►
and then you cook it you make it hot in
◼
►
some kind of pain about the ginger that
◼
►
that's pickled ah okay and I don't eat
◼
►
have you tried it mMmmm neither do I I
◼
►
finally so my problem is I don't like
◼
►
fish and I'm allergic to avocado try to
◼
►
find anything at a sushi restaurant that
◼
►
contains neither of those things
◼
►
but anyway I'm eating fresh ginger right
◼
►
now in this drink it's really good but a
◼
►
little Bernie but a little Bernie yeah
◼
►
cuz I'm making my own ginger tea because
◼
►
actual user tea is bullshit
◼
►
just because it contains pepper like I'm
◼
►
not convinced people just are like that
◼
►
- pepper you think it's it's you think
◼
►
it's ginger fakery but maybe it's just
◼
►
it's positive peppering if they if
◼
►
that's the reason they added it they
◼
►
would put pepper on the label they was
◼
►
advertised as ginger pepper tea is zero
◼
►
of them do this little put salt on the
◼
►
labels they're solvent
◼
►
no actually I don't think so let's do
◼
►
follow-up Peter Kendall writes that he
◼
►
loves that Marco you purchased an
◼
►
walkie-talkies for your road trip since
◼
►
he is an amateur or ham radio operator
◼
►
and he is glad that they worked well
◼
►
Peter continues well walkie-talkies
◼
►
don't have the best range once one
◼
►
passes an amateur radio exam that you
◼
►
can get access to much more powerful
◼
►
radios for example one can get these
◼
►
mobile radios that pump out 50 watts and
◼
►
are powered by the 12-volt battery in
◼
►
your car and to have a detachable head
◼
►
unit to put on your dash there are other
◼
►
shapes and sizes as well including
◼
►
smaller ones that are basically
◼
►
glorified walkie talkies but more
◼
►
powerful holy monkey 50 watts is yeah I
◼
►
don't know anything and I know that's
◼
►
significant yeah I mean for reference
◼
►
the walkie talkies maxed out at two
◼
►
watts and you only get the two watts if
◼
►
you go on your only legally supposed to
◼
►
use the the two want versions if you go
◼
►
to the FCC's website and register for a
◼
►
GM RS license which I actually did and I
◼
►
didn't want to get in trouble for using
◼
►
the tool on channels and I did it
◼
►
because it was really easy and
◼
►
inexpensive to do it going all the way
◼
►
for a full ham radio license is
◼
►
considerably more involved and I didn't
◼
►
think it was necessary to communicate
◼
►
between two vehicles that were usually
◼
►
at most a few hundred feet apart so it
◼
►
wasn't necessary for this use case but
◼
►
ham radio is one of those things like
◼
►
that there's a lot of overlap between
◼
►
ham radio and nerd culture and I respect
◼
►
a lot of it but I don't know that much
◼
►
about it but ultimately I've never had
◼
►
much of a reason to get into it because
◼
►
the the broadcast nature of that hobby
◼
►
for me I've solved with odd casting and
◼
►
the like short range communication
◼
►
nature I've never really had a need
◼
►
until now and walkie talkies served my
◼
►
needs perfectly well I put this in here
◼
►
because I feel like it fits well with
◼
►
Marcos vinyl revival and
◼
►
I stopped not that he's gonna be into it
◼
►
now but maybe this is like the ghost of
◼
►
Marco future when he wants another tech
◼
►
thing to get into her maybe find himself
◼
►
traveling to upstate a lot maybe retires
◼
►
to upstate and needs to have
◼
►
walkie-talkies seeing Marco take an
◼
►
amateur radio exam to get a license for
◼
►
a more powerful radio is a thing that
◼
►
seems plausible to me so just put a
◼
►
marker here come back in 20 years there
◼
►
is no way I would ever be allowed to put
◼
►
a giant antenna in my yard once you have
◼
►
your giant compound upstate you have
◼
►
plenty of land for that there's some
◼
►
sort of ham joke here that I just can't
◼
►
put my finger on I'm more of a brisket
◼
►
person now that's not that that's not
◼
►
the ham I was going for but I'll allow
◼
►
it as long as some one of us got one in
◼
►
I'm good all right Eduardo ponts writes
◼
►
if anyone's wondering whether the new
◼
►
onboarding screens on iOS 11.3 we're all
◼
►
wonder no more and they include a link
◼
►
to the photograph of their Apple TV
◼
►
where there are clearly some string what
◼
►
would you call these I don't like
◼
►
placeholders their localization
◼
►
identifiers basically like like when so
◼
►
when you're when you're writing an app
◼
►
that's supposed to be localized to
◼
►
different languages you usually wrap the
◼
►
string calls in some kind of
◼
►
localization layer like NS localized
◼
►
string or something like that and so the
◼
►
idea is you you don't just hard code the
◼
►
language strings are going to be shown
◼
►
to the user in like the source code you
◼
►
have some kind of resource file that is
◼
►
a strings file and then you can localize
◼
►
the strings file that's just like a list
◼
►
of all the strings that would be
◼
►
displayed to a user you can have that
◼
►
localized by translators and then you
◼
►
could have a whole bundle of those
◼
►
things in your app and you can have
◼
►
different ones show for different
◼
►
language and locale settings and your
◼
►
app simply instead of saying like ask
◼
►
the user are you sure the app says give
◼
►
me the string for the are you short
◼
►
dialogue on this page so it might have
◼
►
some kind of identifier for that some
◼
►
kind of like you know are you sure dot
◼
►
identifiers are dot set up dot one or
◼
►
something like that and so what we see
◼
►
here is there was some kind of problem
◼
►
or some kind of bug or something where
◼
►
the string didn't load and instead it
◼
►
just showed the identifier and it has
◼
►
GDP are in the identifiers in the name
◼
►
of the identifiers for the for the text
◼
►
of this dialog for these boxes so
◼
►
considers these GDP our dialogues right
◼
►
so like a couple samples a TV for Apple
◼
►
TV videos GDP our welcome to movies or a
◼
►
TV videos GDP our continue button label
◼
►
so yeah it was funny to me because I was
◼
►
pretty darn confident that this was this
◼
►
boiled down to GDP our and man there
◼
►
were not a lot of people who disagreed
◼
►
but who boy to the people who disagree
◼
►
they were very confident that we were
◼
►
wrong and guess what told you so
◼
►
moving on oh man I did not think to
◼
►
figure out how to pronounce this say
◼
►
Liam kellian mr. or mrs. Babcock who
◼
►
writes in of Dell with technology at the
◼
►
high school and elementary levels when
◼
►
it comes to cost and collaboration
◼
►
features Google wins since that device
◼
►
is configured and lockdown iOS doesn't
◼
►
count much as for video editing it
◼
►
sounds cool but it's a huge time sink I
◼
►
didn't add this who did what are you
◼
►
what are we trying to say here I just
◼
►
put a little bit of etu feedback we got
◼
►
a lot of people replying so I just want
◼
►
to have a few samples to sort of cover
◼
►
the range that's what the next few items
◼
►
are about fair enough Andrew link writes
◼
►
creativity is the peak of learning but
◼
►
40% of the time I'm dealing with quote
◼
►
unquote classroom management and 50% is
◼
►
trying to even get students to reach the
◼
►
baseline there's a broad or there
◼
►
they're abroad family and cultural
◼
►
issues to address before tech really
◼
►
Andrews school or whatever is
◼
►
implementing Google suite over the next
◼
►
two years it's a mixed bag the
◼
►
software's okay that our kid is slowing
◼
►
everything to a crawl also tween
◼
►
memories and Google level secure
◼
►
passwords are painful mix in other words
◼
►
everyone's always forgetting their
◼
►
passwords did one of your kids have that
◼
►
happen to them not me no not me my kid
◼
►
has good password hygiene I don't even
◼
►
know if you're serious or not scared to
◼
►
bits here is that we are people who are
◼
►
actually in education writing to us and
◼
►
maybe not all of them
◼
►
but no matter what it was these people
◼
►
were using everyone had complaints right
◼
►
so it's not complaints about the thing
◼
►
they're not using complaints about the
◼
►
thing they are using complaints about
◼
►
the difficulty of the job about the
◼
►
difficulty of dealing with technology
◼
►
and no matter what it was they were
◼
►
using if they were all Apple if they
◼
►
were all googles they were mix that
◼
►
everything had problem we know this
◼
►
Varitek podcast we complain about
◼
►
technology and we know the frustration
◼
►
is that most people who aren't tech
◼
►
enthusiasts feel about technology like
◼
►
this is frustrated when it doesn't work
◼
►
especially if it's you're supposed to be
◼
►
using as part of your job so not not a
◼
►
lot of feedback was like here's what we
◼
►
use and we love it and it's awesome
◼
►
awesome some people like one thing
◼
►
better than the other one said I'm so
◼
►
glad I have X it's better than Y but
◼
►
they all had complaints about whatever
◼
►
it was they were using so no silver
◼
►
bullet for our tech in schools and I
◼
►
particularly like the idea of like that
◼
►
creativity is the peak of learning sort
◼
►
of like a pyramid of like you know what
◼
►
said Maslow's hierarchy of needs if
◼
►
somebody has a hierarchy of need not
◼
►
sloth yeah it's like you know safety and
◼
►
bubble and very at the top of like
◼
►
self-actualization or whatever and so
◼
►
it's like in the classroom get the kids
◼
►
to show up get them to be safe get you
◼
►
know get them to pay attention get them
◼
►
to absorb something like and creativity
◼
►
is like when you get all that other
◼
►
stuff taken care of and then finally
◼
►
they're allowed to to blossom and that
◼
►
that's the aspirational nature of what
◼
►
Apple is pitching that by buying our
◼
►
products they will enhance the the peak
◼
►
of learning but you have to get to that
◼
►
peak first yeah you know you have to
◼
►
have the students in the seats paying
◼
►
attention absorbing the material and
◼
►
then sprout you know spreading their
◼
►
wings and being creative with the things
◼
►
that you've successfully taught them it
◼
►
was interesting to me that um I felt
◼
►
like a lot of the feedback we got about
◼
►
education was very contradictory
◼
►
you know somebody would say oh of course
◼
►
you would want an iPad the total cost of
◼
►
ownership is so much better oh you could
◼
►
never get an iPad the total cost is so
◼
►
much worse it was very it was very in
◼
►
and yang and it made me laugh oh yeah
◼
►
one more thing I didn't put anybody's
◼
►
feedback and I should have but the idea
◼
►
of Apple devices or whatever device is
◼
►
being expensive and then only being
◼
►
available in the quote-unquote rich
◼
►
schools lots of people were all right
◼
►
there seems to be like a disconnect
◼
►
between the students that attend the
◼
►
schools and attack space that
◼
►
potentially feeds into them because a
◼
►
lot of people are like you know we have
◼
►
iPads in our school and our it's we're
◼
►
not in a wealthy area right and so it's
◼
►
like it doesn't mean necessarily the
◼
►
students who go to the school are
◼
►
well-to-do but it seems in some areas
◼
►
more than others money somehow is
◼
►
getting to these schools that is not
◼
►
directly attributable to the incomes of
◼
►
the individual students who are
◼
►
attending and I think that's just the
◼
►
nature of tax spaces it depends on where
◼
►
you live it depends on how your taxes
◼
►
are distributed it depends on if there's
◼
►
some other program that's feeding money
◼
►
into the school to buy the fancy iPads
◼
►
for the school that otherwise is not
◼
►
awash in cash I mean that I can tell you
◼
►
the opposite here where where I live
◼
►
it's filled with rich people and yet a
◼
►
lot of the technology in the schools too
◼
►
my kids attend especially elementary
◼
►
school is entirely funded directly by
◼
►
the parents as in there is no money in
◼
►
the school budget for technology
◼
►
whatsoever and the only reason there's
◼
►
any technology is because all the kids
◼
►
parents are rich and give directly money
◼
►
to buy like if you want to see any
◼
►
computers in your kids school you're
◼
►
gonna have to collect money and give
◼
►
them to us right and is it because the
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budgeting and how much money goes
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towards elementary and how much priority
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be this Taj Mahal multi-million dollar
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menu bar with a help menu and we were we
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this by circling a bunch of stuff on the
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screen and throwing a bunch of words at
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people's faces putting it pointing a
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this thing to do this tap that thing to
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do that tap that thing I'm expecting
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them to memorize at the one time they
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little video of what happens and I'm
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assuming this is a new version of pages
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on iOS so they have you know what you do
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have visible in many iOS applications is
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a toolbar with some glyphs on it some
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kind I conjure glyphs either whether
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it's the top or at the bottom and in
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pages this looks like on a phone you
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launch it and the new collaboration
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glyph pulses like if it gets a little
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bigger and smaller I don't know if it
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tap sit right away right but if you tap
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it it takes you to this little video
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that shows you like oh the collaborate
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feature and it sort of does this
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wordless animation showing you how
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collaboration might work it's pretty
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good animation that communicates without
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too much text kind of what collaboration
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does it has a brief explanation but then
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shows you a bunch of thing I don't know
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it I think you kind of already have to
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know how collaboration works to
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understand what a video frankly but
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that's I mean I don't know if I like
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that better than the overlay but I guess
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it's certainly trying to be more subtle
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I just can imagine people launching the
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app and going why's that button pulsing
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especially if it doesn't stop or if it
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does stop you might think you're you
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know going a little bit mad that like I
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could swear last time I launched his
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application part of the toolbar was
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pulsing sure I wasn't under cold
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medicine or anything anyways I just
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thought it was interesting
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here's Apple trying alternate solutions
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for bad news every managed Apple ID
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account that's involved in education
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need to give more iCloud storage to
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everybody and you know they haven't for
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a really long time someone put it how
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long it was like seven years there's
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nothing since the five gig free yeah I
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think it's since I flab was introduced
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like it was never less than five gigs
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that's what it's during it yeah and so
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for education this this is something a
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lot of people cited and feedback
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including one that just came in just
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before the show like how much it cost to
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buy all the third-party things you have
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by to fill in the gaps in functionality
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that Apple doesn't offer including
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having cloud storage which according to
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an email we just got I believe a person
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said that there is no way to pay for
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more iCloud storage for students like
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even if you wanted to give them more
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money for more you couldn't I'm not you
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know that seems that seems very strange
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to me but anyway Apple said hey we're
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increasing to two hundred and got lots
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of applause but why wouldn't you you
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know two hundred gigabytes free up from
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five that is a big increase but for
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people who are not students still five
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gigabytes and you know we've heard from
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lots of other you know podcasters and
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fans and Apple users we I keep hearing
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that everyone expects that oh well
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they're just waiting until WTC in June
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and that's when they're going to raise
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the limits for everybody for free I
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honestly would not consider that a safe
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in fact I might even bet against that
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you know we did the five gigs is indeed
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comically stingy and even was seven
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years ago when I'm pretty sure Steve
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Jobs introduced it but you know it was
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it was bad then and it's bad now but
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services are apple's biggest area of
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potential growth I think I don't think
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they're gonna want to give up services
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revenue that easily and this is probably
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not a small portion of it like you know
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the people who upgrade to and iCloud a
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pate iCloud storage plan for you know
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basic functionality of their iOS devices
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really that's probably not a small
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amount of their services revenue so I
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can't imagine them all of a sudden
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raising it to a level that would cover
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way more people for free it'd be nice if
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this happens Apple has in the past
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occasionally intentionally taken a hit
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on margin to do something really
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compelling for consumers and they'll
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usually even warn analysts of that in
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like one of the earnings calls
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beforehand but honestly I don't I just
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don't see that I mean that happened a
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lot more in the past than it does now
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and I don't see them giving up a big
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chunk of services revenue when that is
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clearly an area where they're focusing a
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lot on and depending on for growth I
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think the balance that they have to keep
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how many how many people buy it how
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people are willing to pay money for
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extra storage versus how many people are
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at their storage limits but still I'm
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willing to pay because when you're at
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your storage limit and they're still
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unwilling to pay that becomes apple's
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problem if it starts to affect their
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satisfaction like that they don't like
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apple because it's like they they want
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to charge me money I don't want to give
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them any money and my phone is
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constantly full because a constantly
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full phone is a bad user experience it
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yells you about having too much storage
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you can't take pictures you have to
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choose precious things that you want to
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delete it's a bad experience right and
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so it is in Apple's interest to get
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people somehow to have more storage
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ideally by paying Apple money right
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that's they prefer but if it turns out
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that nothing they do can dislodge this
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very large percentage of people who
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refuse to pay money and constantly have
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full phones that's not a good situation
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now maybe it's still just a fraction of
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people maybe like people do in the end
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they complain but they pay and that an
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apple may be willing to do that and then
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you know people feel better but whenever
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I see somebody with a full iOS device
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who refuses to pay for additional
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storage I I feel apples pain by proxy
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this person is dissatisfied or
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unsatisfied whichever those is the
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correct word with their product and
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there's an obvious solution that doesn't
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cost that much money but there's no way
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you will convince them to pay for you
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know pay for nothing to pay for air to
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pay for whatever storage should be free
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bla bla bla software should be free like
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it's it's a tough sell but it really
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does affect their opinion of their
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device maybe not enough to get them on
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to another device maybe eventually be at
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them on the device but they are mad
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about it so I think that's that's a
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problem Apple needs to address in some
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way maybe they can address it just by
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reducing the prices or changing the
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tears or cleverly arranging the tears
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such that people get on board like with
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the thin end of the wedge like get on
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board a cheapo tear and then slowly like
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ratchet up as they need storage to like
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to make it feel better for people to pay
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for storage because I think that's the
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big barrier the big barrier is not how
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much it costs it's getting people over
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the hump from not paying anything to
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paying something oh yeah because like
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you know so much of this is
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it's it's more about feeling than about
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whether you can afford or not afford the
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you know whatever whatever's the
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cheapest planning like three bucks a
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month or something and a lot of it is
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more like you know people are just kind
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of annoyed on principle that they have
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to pay for this or they're annoyed on
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principle that their phone is bugging
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them about this thing that they haven't
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even actually really rather looked into
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they just know that their phones bugging
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them or they're annoyed on principle
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that they only get five gigs for free
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and and that bugs them or they look at
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the prices of additional storage on
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other services like Dropbox and how it
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compares and they're like oh this is a
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bad deal and and so like it's it's so
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much more about like I don't want to pay
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then I can't afford the X dollars a
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month in a lot of cases or they're
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putting their money like you said
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towards a different thing like well if
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I'm gonna pay for storage I'm gonna get
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the most bang for my buck and that takes
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people off Apple services if you're
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using Dropbox for all your file surge
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you know it's actually even more viable
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now that Apple has the you know the
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share shoot integration for Dropbox and
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stuff but you know like I think Apple
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would be upset if people decided to use
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Google photos instead of Apple's photo
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solution like I think Apple wants you to
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use their photo solution for a variety
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of reasons well they should be trying a
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little harder on a variety of fronts
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then sure yeah and I think Apple would
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tell you that their photo solution is
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like you know better on privacy and all
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those other reasons how you might use it
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but if you are conta you know that's the
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feature that Google has hammer tap on if
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you're constantly running out of storage
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because you're filling up your phone
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with videos and photos and Apple wants
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you to pay more money and Google says
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don't pay us anything we'll keep an
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unlimited amount of your photos where's
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quality asterisk forever and ever people
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say oh well then why would I pay for the
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Apple thing I'm just gonna use Google
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photos and I'm gonna use you know the
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Google Photos app instead of the Apple
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Photos app and I'm gonna use the Google
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Website and like Apple doesn't want you
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to go all in on the Google ecosystem
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right so the Apple should do something I
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don't know if that means increase the
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five gig tier to 200 for everybody for
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free but something would be nice you
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know what it is that bothers me so much
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about this is that I feel like five gigs
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is it egregiously obnoxiously paltry
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amounts if it was maybe as much is the
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smallest modern iPhone so let's say it's
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thirty or whatever gigs you know 32 gigs
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that at least feels like okay they're
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giving you something reasonable if you
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have one single iPhone attached to your
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Apple ID it stands to reason that you
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should be able to back that up to iCloud
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for free that to me would be still more
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paltry than I would want like something
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along the lines of 200 gigs sounds
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really great you know but let's say for
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the sake of argument you know 32 gigs is
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is what they're going to bring tomorrow
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that's tomorrow you can have 32 gig
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storage then I wouldn't be as offended
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by it I would be slightly annoyed but I
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wouldn't be frigging offended but five
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gigs is like man screw you you don't
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have any storage you know but here fine
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fine okay we'll give you a little bit be
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it's just it's I just find it obnoxious
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it's so little and that's the thing that
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bothers me yeah under how much of this
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is just like inertia like like if they
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were launching the service today I doubt
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that the number they would pick would be
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five gigs but you know it's probably
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►
hard for them to you know first of all
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in typical Apple fashion they probably
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don't look at this very often you know
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like they set it up it's going and it's
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probably you know a lot like a lot of
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their hardware releases very like it
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just gets ignored for years until
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somebody realizes they should look at it
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eventually and so I'm guessing this
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hasn't actually been reconsidered that
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often and then because there's the
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inertia of having it there for so long
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the idea of increasing it by by a large
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amount probably does scare them on two
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fronts number one you know Marg and as
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mentioned earlier they're probably
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afraid of that services revenue going
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down or or having the growth slowdown
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and number two every iOS device is a lot
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of iOS devices and so the scale of the
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scale at which they would have to scale
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this up they they probably can't offer
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something like a terabyte for free to
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everybody because there probably aren't
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enough hard drive in the world or
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something like that like there is
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probably some kind of major limit on
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scale in place here I don't know where
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that limit is it's gotta be way higher
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than five gigs but they probably
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couldn't say offer 200 gigs to everybody
◼
►
like that that might be too high or it
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might be just impractical or it might be
◼
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they can do it in a couple years maybe
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not yet so there you know there's
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definitely I guarantee you to some kind
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of scale concerns there whether they are
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impassable or not I don't know but you
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know if you start doing the math of how
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many active iOS devices there are out
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there and and how many you know how many
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hard drives and data centers and stuff
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they would need it is pretty large
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►
numbers so there is definitely a factor
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there but it might not you know its way
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it's gotta be higher than five cakes oh
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there's a new single region only variant
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of s3 for twenty-two percent less than
◼
►
the regular price how could get right on
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that I'm trying to think back to when
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the five gig limit was introduced and
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I'm pretty sure that five gigs was
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always positioned as this is not enough
◼
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for you - this is not cover you even
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there wasn't the Apple never sold the
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five gig device with a five K good thing
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it was always so clearly the starter
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price you get a little bit for free but
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if you use and fill whatever device you
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purchased fine you're gonna run out of
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five gigs so it was always with the
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expectation that if you fill the device
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you need to buy more five gigs today
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still is something that if you get it
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and you feel that it ice you got to buy
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more it's so it fulfills the same role
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like it is it is equally able to cause
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people to hit the limit right and
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arguably with with the he can he's you
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know h.265 stuff you could hit your
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►
limits more slowly now than you did last
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►
year because your images are half the
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►
size and stuff and now you can fit ten
◼
►
minutes of 4k video yeah but in general
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►
things every every photo and every video
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►
is so much bigger than it was back when
◼
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the five gig limit was introduced that
◼
►
it you know it feels more punitive now
◼
►
than it did before it's just it's a
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►
bummer classrooms for Mac so there's
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already classrooms app for iPad maybe
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iPhone I don't remember doesn't really
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matter for iOS and they said classrooms
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for Mac is coming in June as a beta what
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why not now as a beta why June well
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there's one clear well I shouldn't say
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clear answer there's one clear theory
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there's one hopeful theory
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and probably a few other explanations
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that are less interesting right and one
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of the less interesting ones is probably
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the accurate you know real answer but
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the fun theory that we can pontificate
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about is marzipan which is that supposed
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cross-platform framework that is maybe
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but maybe not coming at WWDC and perhaps
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that's why we can't talk about it
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because there's more things to come in
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June at WDC and then they will all be
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made clear that's why you can't download
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it like because if you download it then
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everyone just you know run class dump or
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whatever and look at the frameworks but
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speaking of frameworks the the much more
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boring explanation it's it's UX kit the
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same thing that photos and stuff is made
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out of like when when Apple has been in
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situations in the past where there's an
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iOS device and they want something more
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or less like that iOS device on the Mac
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they have ways of doing that that don't
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involve the rumored cross platform
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framework thing yeah and also it might
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not be ready yet it actually is they're
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just not done writing it and that's and
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that I think is by far the most likely I
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love the idea of this project marzipan
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thing I really hope it's real and I do
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think this summer would not be an
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unreasonable time to launch it into beta
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that would be a really fun explanation
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for this it's much more likely that it
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just isn't ready yet because it is not
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like the fact that Apple said here's an
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event that we're going to announce
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something but you can't actually see it
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or buy it or use it yet for a few months
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that's so common now like that that's
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constantly used for all sorts of reasons
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for all sorts of products it the most
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rare thing now is when they have an
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event and then on something that's ready
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right then you can buy like today or
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tomorrow that's the less common case now
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so the fact this isn't ready yet I
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really I I think it's unlikely that it
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has any other meaning other than it's
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not ready yet but it probably is using
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UX kit because I don't see why they
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would pour something from iOS and not
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use the framework they have that they
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have you successfully deport a bunch of
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stuff from iOS right that's not the
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cross flight that's not marzipan but it
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is a way that Apple has done this in the
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past and I'm sure you know it saves some
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time especially if marzipan requires
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support the OS level on the Mac side
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which it probably would I they probably
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wouldn't have that support in
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hi Sierra it would probably be pushed to
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the next version of Mac OS or maybe even
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the one after that if it's gonna launch
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in beta and that's not gonna be ready in
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time for this coming school year it's
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gonna be launched probably in like
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October or something and no IT
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administrators should be installing it
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in October it's so so you know it's
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probably just not ready yet
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then setting aside new bikes kit like
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the way like I knew Apple applications
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to be iOS like whether or not they use
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your xcode under the covers when they
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just feel like an iOS app photos
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certainly does I think maps maps maybe
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contacts or notes depending on how you
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squint at them reminders calendar yeah
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it could be argued that this is actually
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not iOS like but merely the modern Mac
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way like apples trying to say this is
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what modern man can look like but if you
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use iOS a lot a lot of things look
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mighty familiar and again I didn't I'm
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not looking at the you know I'm not
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class dumping every single one of these
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apps to see do they actually use the
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same framework as photos or is it you
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know but from a user's perspective they
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vary they feel very iOS see in this case
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we know it's an application that already
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existed in iOS and so it makes sense
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that they would use some technique to
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reuse some of the work that they've
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already done in iOS rather than
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reloading it from scratch in app kit but
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I'm sure when this application comes out
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some of them will tell us definitively
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probably Steve John Smith I have one
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quickie I just wanted to share I have
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finally joined the world of inductive
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charging and by and large my phone for
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the last couple of weeks now has not had
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anything plugged into it and inductive
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charging is pretty cool turns out who
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knew oh that's right I told you this a
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long time ago well but the difference
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between you and me is I didn't crap all
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over inductive charging I just said oh
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that sounds neat sir anyway the point
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I'm trying to say is the most that that
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I think you and most of the rest of
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world recommended is really great and I
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got what appears to be like what is
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aesthetically a terrible mount for my
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car but in in functionality is a really
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great mount for my car and so what I can
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do is I can get in my car I can just
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my phone in this little mount and it
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starts charging and when I want to leave
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my car I just pick it up out of the
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mount and it's super convenient I'm only
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ever in my car for like two minutes at a
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time so I'm doing this just because I
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think it's cool not because it's ever
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particularly useful but inductive
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►
charging super cool and it is super
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►
weird after having had an iPhone since
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the 3GS to have gone for like two weeks
◼
►
without having plugged anything to my
◼
►
phone so odd but I love it yeah it's
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like I know a lot of people try and it's
◼
►
not for them that's cool
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I I find it very much for me as well
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like I really like now plugging in my
◼
►
phone like when I travel it just feels
◼
►
barbaric it's like wait man like I have
◼
►
to plug this am like this is so weird
◼
►
yeah the one thing I will I do still
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plug it in in the car I did so in our
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episode about my $7 piece of garbage
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that I was using to mount my phone on my
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car before a bunch of people wrote in to
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recommend better phone mounts and by far
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the most commonly recommended one is the
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pro clip line of products and you
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basically you go on pro cliff site and
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you buy like a certain like base that's
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made to fit exactly your model of car
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and then you buy like the second part of
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it which is like the phone part that you
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you buy exactly the one for exactly the
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phone you have and they enter the
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interface in some kind of standard way
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and so you like when you get a new phone
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you can just replace the phone part and
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you get a new car you just place the car
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part and it's not cheap the combination
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of both the both sides of this was $90
◼
►
holy hell mess up your dashboard - right
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well no so it does a like a pressure fit
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inside one of the air vents so it just
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it's like it's like pushing against the
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top and bottom of the air vent to kind
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►
of wedge yourself in there with like a
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►
little rubber pad under it to keep it in
◼
►
place and I gotta say it is really
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►
really solid like my is the only thing
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►
I've seen that has that actually keeps
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►
the phone like totally still you know
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►
you can run over a bump or anything the
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►
phone does not move like it is it is
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►
attached very firmly to the car it was
◼
►
very easy to get and install the cable
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►
routings my got the kind I got the let's
◼
►
see the adjustable phone adjustable
◼
►
lightning to USB cable so what you do is
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►
it has like a little clamp in the bottom
◼
►
you actually stick an apple cable into
◼
►
it and this is this is where I used my
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►
one black Apple lightning cable from my
◼
►
iMac Pro I use it here it look better in
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►
black and it is basically a dock and so
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►
I just stick my phone into it and it is
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►
getting a wired charge and it just stays
◼
►
right there and it's awesome the only
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►
major downside to this is that it's not
◼
►
it's combo it was it was 34 the car part
◼
►
and 60 for the iPhone adjustable thing
◼
►
with the cable so again why not cheap
◼
►
way more than my seven dollar piece of
◼
►
garbage however also way nicer than my
◼
►
seven dollar piece of garbage and I can
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►
see myself keeping this up as long as I
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continue to use ways on a semi-regular
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►
basis in my car I think as I get new
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►
phones and new cars down the road I
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►
think I will probably stay in the pro
◼
►
clip yukos system for now cuz it is
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►
surprisingly nice like you can like take
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►
the phone out with one hand and the
◼
►
mount doesn't move and stuff like that
◼
►
like it just it's just nice like it's
◼
►
it's solid and heavy-duty and just
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►
really nice the reason I stick with
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►
wired charging which is why I thought of
◼
►
this here is that Qi charging is not
◼
►
fast enough to charge the phone and run
◼
►
ways it can keep the phone at about the
◼
►
same charge level it's already at or
◼
►
maybe very slowly trickle charge it well
◼
►
but like the the charge rate really
◼
►
requires a 10 watt plug like like what
◼
►
you get from the iPad bricks or from the
◼
►
high powered USB chargers so it really
◼
►
requires that too both runways
◼
►
constantly and also charge the phone and
◼
►
a meaningful rate and you right now I
◼
►
don't think any Qi charger even the 7.5
◼
►
watt movie one I don't think any of them
◼
►
can actually do it fast enough so for Qi
◼
►
charging in cars I've still honestly
◼
►
can't recommend that unless you are very
◼
►
light with your phone's usage in the car
◼
►
but for Wired stuff I can recommend Pro
◼
►
clip if you were willing to spend $90 on
◼
►
a clip for your phone to your car this
◼
►
is the difference between you and me in
◼
►
summary you bought one car charger for
◼
►
ninety dollars you could buy three and a
◼
►
of the inductive chargers that I just
◼
►
bought which admittedly are not nearly
◼
►
as nice I'm quite sure but three and a
◼
►
half if the Chargers still can't charge
◼
►
my phone for ways know what I'm saying
◼
►
this is this is you and me in a nutshell
◼
►
I don't need three and a half chargers I
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►
I'm just saying also before we get a
◼
►
bazillion pieces of email do we really
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►
care about the report that came out
◼
►
recently I don't remember where I saw it
◼
►
about how wireless charging destroys
◼
►
your battery because it's when it's
◼
►
trying to keep your battery topped up
◼
►
it's like discharging recharging
◼
►
discharging recharging discharging
◼
►
recharging I don't think I really care
◼
►
that much and maybe I will if I see that
◼
►
my battery is not doing well which maybe
◼
►
I could do in this new battery window or
◼
►
a screen in settings but I don't know
◼
►
man like especially someone who keeps
◼
►
iPhones only for a year I just don't
◼
►
care like Apple wouldn't have made this
◼
►
a thing if they thought it was going to
◼
►
nuke their batteries so hashtag yellow I
◼
►
thought that pitch was that it was heat
◼
►
yeah part of the idea was that because
◼
►
Qi charging generates some heat like a
◼
►
little more heat than regular charging
◼
►
that it that you know charging your
◼
►
battery in a hot environment is worse
◼
►
for it you know just operating your
◼
►
battery in a hot environment is worse
◼
►
for it so there's you know there might
◼
►
be something to that I can't imagine you
◼
►
know because it's Apple is doing like
◼
►
the management of the charging on the
◼
►
phone end in their firmware I can't
◼
►
imagine they would allow it to abuse the
◼
►
battery like that I think they would
◼
►
control that a little bit better well
◼
►
that's not abuse that everything does
◼
►
that laptops and phones they they don't
◼
►
they allow it to discharge a little bit
◼
►
and then trickle it up and then
◼
►
discharge a little bit do that
◼
►
everything every device has done that
◼
►
forever that's good I I don't think duck
◼
►
dude does that anymore than plugged in
◼
►
because like marques that Apple's
◼
►
controlling it but if all charging
◼
►
things produce more heat for equivalent
◼
►
power transfer to the battery which
◼
►
makes sense to me for a you know
◼
►
inductive type thing then maybe you have
◼
►
a little bit extra heat yeah but
◼
►
regardless I think the you know just
◼
►
using your phone on a regular basis is
◼
►
probably doing way more you know where
◼
►
on the battery then the minor
◼
►
differences in how you charge it
◼
►
generally charging it more slowly is
◼
►
usually better for its long-term health
◼
►
but again a twitch and an image case she
◼
►
charges should actually be really good
◼
►
for a good theory but you know I it's a
◼
►
kind of thing like you know we talked
◼
►
about before if you just use your phone
◼
►
normally you're gonna burn through
◼
►
batteries you know over a year or two
◼
►
and now that Apple's offering less
◼
►
expensive battery replacements I think
◼
►
if you care about this kind of thing
◼
►
it's much more reasonable to just going
◼
►
after two years again a new battery for
◼
►
30 bucks then to have to micromanage
◼
►
your entire life around not using
◼
►
convenient things or trying to like
◼
►
tiptoe around the battery because you
◼
►
know no matter what you do it's gonna
◼
►
wear out and a reasonable amount of time
◼
►
like it's gonna it's gonna wear out
◼
►
probably around the same amount of time
◼
►
as it would have no matter what you did
◼
►
so you might as well use your phone to
◼
►
its fullest potential use whatever is
◼
►
convenient about it use it how you want
◼
►
to use it and if your battery wears out
◼
►
in a year and a half or two years just
◼
►
get a new battery for 30 bucks and just
◼
►
plan for that ahead of time and try to
◼
►
live a healthy life so you can live long
◼
►
enough for some battery technology to
◼
►
come out that has way longer charge
◼
►
cycle failure rates like I don't think
◼
►
we can expect the infinite like I can
◼
►
charge and recharge and uncharged just a
◼
►
million times and it never degrades
◼
►
right but if you can just change it from
◼
►
whatever these bad all your batteries
◼
►
are rated I like the rate of like a
◼
►
thousand cycles or something before that
◼
►
could put if that was you know 100,000
◼
►
it would seem like that you could use a
◼
►
phone basically forever and the battery
◼
►
was as good the day you bought it as the
◼
►
day it went away we are not living in
◼
►
the current time with that technology
◼
►
available but there are lots of research
◼
►
things that are all the the cliched five
◼
►
to ten years away so stay alive long
◼
►
enough and you might see one of those
◼
►
happen I will also say if you are
◼
►
interested in getting a better
◼
►
replacement maybe wait on that a little
◼
►
bit because you have no choice isn't I'm
◼
►
to like four months now yeah yeah we
◼
►
keep hearing from people that the wait
◼
►
times span from weeks to months for
◼
►
getting new batteries you know there's
◼
►
so many people going in now after a
◼
►
battery gate scandal and now with 11.3
◼
►
actually telling them you know whether
◼
►
the battery is degraded or not there's a
◼
►
lot of people going in and apparently
◼
►
the wait for the battery is at the
◼
►
Genius Bar is literally like weeks or
◼
►
months in a lot of places and so
◼
►
by the time you know if you buy a new
◼
►
phone now and you cheat charged it all
◼
►
the time but that's how the battery
◼
►
wears out you should probably be able to
◼
►
get one might not be $30 anymore but
◼
►
that's probably true oh and one more
◼
►
thing on this pro clip thing I remember
◼
►
when you mentioned your clip and people
◼
►
sent in stuff I went to this site
◼
►
because I was looking for similar clips
◼
►
I think I just bought one for my wife
◼
►
and I was wondering if they were better
◼
►
ones and on the pro clip usa.com website
◼
►
the image they have in the background at
◼
►
the top of the page shows a mount that
◼
►
goes into like the gap in the dashboard
◼
►
between like the the top stuff and the
◼
►
thing that has the vents it doesn't go
◼
►
inside the vents like you were just
◼
►
describing and like you know I have one
◼
►
right now that goes inside the vents
◼
►
that's usually difficult way to do it
◼
►
you see that on the website it's like
◼
►
good I do see what you mean mine is not
◼
►
mine does not do that mine is mine
◼
►
presses against the top and bottom inner
◼
►
edge of the vent right and so when I saw
◼
►
this I was like well forget that I'm not
◼
►
jamming anything into the cracks in my
◼
►
dashboard if it had just gotten into the
◼
►
air vent I probably would have liked oh
◼
►
well that's how they all work so it
◼
►
so that scared me away so I guess it
◼
►
depends on your exact model of car but I
◼
►
really don't want anything because once
◼
►
you do that you know if you ever take
◼
►
that out now you have giant gaps where
◼
►
that thing had been wedged in for the
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past six months or whatever we are
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Squarespace bloomberg reports that Apple
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is planning to use its own chips and
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Mac's starting in just a couple of years
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and giving Intel the boot I feel like we
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on this show have flirted with this
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topic on and off pretty much since this
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year the show started in 2013 so on the
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one side I find this fascinating and I
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feel like we should talk about it on the
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other side I feel like we've we've been
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around this this topic so many times I'm
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not sure what else there is to say but
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yeah Intel has not had the dramatic
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improvements that they used to have
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there what does a tick-tock cycle has
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been slowing down and now they've
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basically said yeah we're not going to
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do that anymore so Apple may be taking
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matters into their own hands when it
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comes to CPUs and they may just start
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putting those in computers rather than
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just iPhones and fake computers I mean
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iPads so what are our thoughts because
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what we assume we don't know but we
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assume these would be ARM processors
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which is different than the Intel
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processor in a Mac it's a different
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instruction set which means things would
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have to be you know all your apps and
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the operating system would have to be
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compiled again like there are many many
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many things that fall out of this it
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would basically be the PowerPC to Intel
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transition all over again
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how do we feel are we excited are we
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bummed I mean let's start with Marco
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what do you think I don't really know
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what to think yet at a high level it
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seems inevitable that if Apple wants to
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keep maintaining the Mac you know
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competitively and if they want to push
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it forward and if basically if they're
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gonna care about the Mac again this does
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seem like an obvious direction to take
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it and we have seen rumblings that they
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are caring about the Mac again I mean
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the iMac Pro I think is one of the
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biggest ones like there's a lot of
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things about the iMac Pro that they
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didn't have to do but but they did it
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anyway and and they made a really great
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product and and so I'm I'm heartened to
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see like they are actually investing you
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know non-trivial into Mac hardware and
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will I hope to see more of that as the
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year goes on I hope to see fixed laptops
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I hope to see the Mac Pro we'll see how
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that all turns out but clearly they they
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have they have had some kind of change
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of heart or at least change of direction
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with Mac hardware if they're gonna keep
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doing stuff like that
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this does seem like an obvious place to
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go because Intel really is holding them
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back in a few areas and I wouldn't say
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all areas you know as some people have
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pointed out we haven't seen what Apple's
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chip design department can do for for
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computing with like the Xeon in the iMac
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Pro you know they could probably do a
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pretty good job if I had to guess but we
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what we do know is that Apple can
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definitely compete with Intel with their
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chip designs at lower ends of the power
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spectrum so that would be most important
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in frankly the most commonly sold Mac's
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small laptops like that's where this
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makes a huge difference like if you can
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actually have say something like the
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size of a macbook 12-inch or if you can
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have something like a real computer size
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like a 13-inch you can get serious gains
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and battery life and maybe even
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performance at the same time by
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switching to a modern Apple arm design
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and these things probably so it does
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seem like that's a really clear place to
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go in addition Intel has been a pretty
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crappy supplier to Apple I think in
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recent years and not even yet
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like over a long time now you know intel
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has really had a lot of problems itself
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a lot of problems too you know shipping
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its ships on time getting its fabs going
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and whatever it's needing to do a lot of
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problems with performance per watt
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compared to arm chips you know in a lot
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of ways Intel is really not delivering
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very well on supplying apple with what
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it actually needs and and this isn't
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that different from when IBM was not
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delivering very well on PowerPC and
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Apple made a switch you know in that
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case to Intel because they were doing
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great then but it wouldn't surprise me
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at all if Apple decides to take this
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kind of move as long as they care enough
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about the Mac to to push this kind of
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thing through it's a big job it's a
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really big job it requires tons of major
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and long-running changes it's going to
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be a heck of a transition if it happens
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it's gonna really you know need a lot of
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work a lot of time it's gonna be a
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little messy however I do think where
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they would end up it could be really
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nice even if it doesn't even go to the
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whole line even even if it doesn't do
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like the high end like the desktops in
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the Zeon's even if it just stays in like
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the smallest laptop line maybe even like
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the 15-inch doesn't even have it but
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maybe the 12 inch and 13 inch do okay it
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probably Sartain 12 meter honestly that
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would be really really competitive for
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those products you get really good
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battery life you get pretty competitive
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performance and many of the apps that
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people use you know first of all maybe
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the apps people use are built in OS apps
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that come with the system and so those
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would all be ready you know on day one
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probably and then you know a lot of apps
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people use would be simple recompiles or
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not that much work to to get them
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updated for it or recompile for it so
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like I think that could be a really
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great direction for the products to take
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the downside to this might where I'm
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concerned and I did a little quick tweet
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about this earlier the main reason I'm
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concerned about this is that if this is
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true which that's a big if I worry will
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Apple in the near future or ever place
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enough priority on mac OS to really make
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this happen well on the software side
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because ever since iOS came out Mac OS
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has been really a distant second
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priority they you know they have made no
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efforts to hide that and I think it's
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obvious to everybody and you could argue
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that that should be how it is because
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iOS devices sell so much more than Macs
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and really are the bulk of the company's
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income and everything so like Mac OS is
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really not a priority for them and
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hasn't been for a long time and what we
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see every time they do try to update Mac
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OS they seem to be getting Messier and
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sloppier and introducing more and and
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worse and more embarrassing bugs a lot
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you know every time they rewrite a
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subsystem it comes out buggier than the
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one before it and maybe it might
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eventually catch up but it usually takes
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a few release this is at least there's a
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lot of problems with Mac OS and it seems
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like they're incapable of touching it
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recently without breaking stuff and a
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lot of times the stuff they break never
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gets fixed so I'm concerned if they're
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going to approach this kind of move to
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arm like a whole architecture transition
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if they're going to approach that with
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the same level of frankly I don't know
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if it's carelessness but at least they
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are not giving it the resources that
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they need to make quality so far if
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they're gonna you know attack this
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problem like that then they might just
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break everything and make everything way
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worse and maybe never fix it or fix it
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very slowly or never fix certain parts
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of it that's where I'm concerned is like
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I really want the Mac platform to be
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brought forward in big ways it needs it
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however if it's going to do that with
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the same amount of starved resources and
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seeming disregard for quality and
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exchange for ship dates that I don't
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think is is beneficial to the platform
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so that's my concern came back though
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when do you kick this off with Casey the
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fact that we've discussed this many
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times in the past this is this is a bit
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of inside baseball medic concern but I'm
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always worried about like how much to
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repeat something that we've said on a
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past show because you
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you can't assume that everyone listening
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now is listening to all the dozens of
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hours we have talked about the same
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topic but on the other hand if you have
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listened to them do you really want us
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to hear this here I say the same things
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again so on this topic I'm I'm looking
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for two things I think Marco was at
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least looking for one of these but one
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is something new to say on the topic
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which think Marco is found with is
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concerned about that via the care and
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attention that they've shown to Mac OS
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being applied to a hardware transition
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right which we haven't really talked
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about that much in the past because I
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think if you pass three times we talked
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we weren't collectively as disgruntled
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about the quality of Mac OS right and
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the second one is specifically this
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story when stuff like this comes out I'm
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looking for is there any new information
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►
and the story like is that is there any
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►
information period other than hey guess
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►
what Apple could could transition Mac's
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to a different processor that it makes
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itself and in this story there isn't
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►
really much new information except
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perhaps some dates a whole lot of
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►
hedging this this line from the article
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is great I would call this comprehensive
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but covering Apple could still
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theoretically abandon or delay the
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switch theoretically is the icing on the
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cake there but it could still abandon or
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delay it's like you're reading this
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whole article let me tell you Apple's
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gonna do this thing half way through the
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Oracle says and by the way they might
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not do this it's like all right we get
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it you're covering yourself okay you can
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say well we didn't say there were gonna
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we just said they they're gonna but they
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►
might not and then theoretically
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abandoned or delay theoretically they
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can abandon or delay it
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there's no theory you don't need anyway
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not a big fan of the article but as in
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all these things set aside the article
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and just take it as a data point as
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another little pebble to the pile you
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know maybe this pebble you know we'll
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see like where there's smoke this fire
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kind of as you see more and more stories
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about a topic maybe you start to take it
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start taking it more seriously than just
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like when we've talked about in the past
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it has just been sort of idle musing
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like because it's an obvious thing like
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Apple is really good at making and
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getting better making ARM processors
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and Apple likes to control this stuff
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and apples trying to make him more and
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more of the stuff themselves or design
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more more than stuff themselves and have
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it fab and Intel's befall on behind
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likes lots of reasons to talk about this
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so I don't want to rehash all the things
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we've discussed about in the past but I
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mean I kinda actually I kind of do but I
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I want everyone who's listening now to
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know all the hours of discussion we had
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about this because I want us all to get
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credit for having the foresight and
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wisdom to have discussed this issues
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well in the past but I don't want to
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have to repeat them for everybody now
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the only one I will repeat explicitly is
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one of the things that is in tension
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about this topic is the idea of Apple
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spending the money that would be
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required to make an ARM chip that is
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essentially useless for iOS devices
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right to make an ARM chip for the Mac
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Pro for instance right 150 watt Mac Pro
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caliber chip to make something like that
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to design it is a lot of work and you
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can reuse a lot of the work you did for
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you the lesser chips that are in phones
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and iPads like to use the cores and
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assemble them or whatever but a lot of
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the stuff you do will only be for that
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Mac Pro like you won't be able to use
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that chip anywhere else because nothing
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else has that that power envelope and in
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the past when we've talked about this
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the question was always alright well so
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Apple can reuse a lot of the chips
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directly like in the mac books and stuff
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but when it comes to the Mac Pro if
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they're going to transition the whole
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line they have to make that chip
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themselves from scratch there is no you
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know and and that's a lot of money to
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invest does Apple really want to invest
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that amount of money solely in the Mac
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as Margaret Cho said and you know in our
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in our modern iMac Pro having error we
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could say hey they actually spent a lot
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of money money they didn't necessarily
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have to spend reusing and adapting
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technology from iOS things in an
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application that basically is only
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useful in the iMac Pro like that t2 chip
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is probably not going into an iPad
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anytime soon it's probably not even
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going into a laptop right is that you
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know is that e1 in there we'll see but
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they spent a lot of time and money
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made a good product out of it and like
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the touch bar before it as much as we
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►
may or may not like it it shows a
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willingness to invest in Mac hardware
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that is probably out of proportion
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financially to how much money the Mac
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brings in because as we've pointed out
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in Apple now seems to agree the Mac's
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importance is also out of proportion to
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the amount of money it brings in its
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importance to the overall Apple platform
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and not just because you develop iOS
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►
apps for but that's part of it but Apple
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seems to be on the same page with with
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all of us now about you know Pro Mac
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►
users are an important constituency they
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had that roundtable a year or so ago or
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►
whatever and Apple said they agreed and
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it's made us all happy for a long time
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when we're patiently waiting for the
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►
fruits of that labor the iMac Pro is one
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►
of the fruits of that labor and it's
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good right it came out good right so
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we're all enthusiastic about that but
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that makes it more and more likely that
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they would be willing to spend the money
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they would need to spend to make a bunch
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of arm CPUs reusing cores and other
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technology and stuff from elsewhere but
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in it but in a big giant high-power blob
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that is not useful anywhere except for
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Mac's so this story is another pebble on
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►
the pile the iMac Pro and that round
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►
table some more pebbles so it's starting
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to look more and more likely things
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against it new tried to come up with
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some a new angle on us and the new angle
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that I have not against this theory but
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because doesn't mean they're not going
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to do it but something that if they did
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do it would be a disadvantage to Mac
◼
►
users it would be a step down from where
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is that none of the stories I've seen
◼
►
rumors or whatever have suggested that
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what Apple would actually be doing is
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making a new line of CPUs that they
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would use in Macs and that they would
◼
►
also sell to the whole rest of the
◼
►
industry I haven't even seen that
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►
suggested like no one no one even dare
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►
speculate about that let alone say that
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►
they think it's a thing that I was going
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to do so we always just assume yeah
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Apple would make its own CPUs because
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they like to make their own whatever's
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and they make their own a series system
◼
►
out of chips and then they make their
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►
own Wi-Fi you know why would
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the W one ship and they make they make
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all sorts of stuff right not make but
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you know design and have someone fit for
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them and they don't sell them to the
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►
rest the industry yeah they license the
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W one for the purposes of referrals and