The Accidental Tech Podcast

01:00:00 ◼   ► they're not selling the a leaven chip to

01:00:02 ◼   ► other cell phone makers this is not a

01:00:03 ◼   ► thing they do and we just assume if they

01:00:05 ◼   ► were going to make chips for the Mac's

01:00:06 ◼   ► they also wouldn't say oh this is our

01:00:08 ◼   ► new business now by the way we're

01:00:09 ◼   ► selling chips to everybody in the

01:00:10 ◼   ► industry and what that would mean is

01:00:13 ◼   ► that max would have CPUs that are not

01:00:18 ◼   ► the same as the CPUs that are running in

01:00:21 ◼   ► other things in the industry and what so

01:00:24 ◼   ► what is that who cares well it was it

01:00:25 ◼   ► matter or don't we just care if we have

01:00:26 ◼   ► a nice CPU and iMac well right now we

01:00:28 ◼   ► are in a a I know what you'd call it a

01:00:32 ◼   ► Golden Age used to be a golden age now

01:00:35 ◼   ► it's not quite golden now it's more of

01:00:36 ◼   ► like a tarnished brass age anyway we're

01:00:39 ◼   ► where max use the same CPUs that are

01:00:43 ◼   ► also used in the servers further we run

01:00:46 ◼   ► server-side software in which means that

01:00:48 ◼   ► if you're writing server-side software

01:00:49 ◼   ► and using the Mac as your dev

01:00:50 ◼   ► environment you can run VMs and you can

01:00:53 ◼   ► run docker and you can do all sorts of

01:00:55 ◼   ► things and run the same software that's

01:00:58 ◼   ► running on your server locally on your

01:00:59 ◼   ► Mac because they're both x86 64 CPUs

01:01:03 ◼   ► right and to a lesser extent you can

01:01:06 ◼   ► also run Windows stuff because render

01:01:08 ◼   ► ones the next 86 thinker on Windows in

01:01:09 ◼   ► virtualization and high-speed so it's

01:01:11 ◼   ► over line and those are real advantages

01:01:15 ◼   ► for certain constituencies of pro Mac

01:01:17 ◼   ► users who use the the Mac as like a

01:01:20 ◼   ► development platform for writing

01:01:21 ◼   ► server-side software and maybe just

01:01:23 ◼   ► because I'm in that world that I see it

01:01:24 ◼   ► a lot but I have been shocked over the

01:01:27 ◼   ► course of my career how prevalent Mac's

01:01:29 ◼   ► have become for people who essentially

01:01:32 ◼   ► you know not know who pejoratively used

01:01:34 ◼   ► them as glorified terminals right I

01:01:36 ◼   ► don't think that's really true because

01:01:37 ◼   ► lots of people do local development like

01:01:39 ◼   ► they will you know they will run docker

01:01:40 ◼   ► on their Mac they will run you know a

01:01:42 ◼   ► VirtualBox on their Mac or whatever and

01:01:43 ◼   ► they will use software and binaries that

01:01:48 ◼   ► run on the server they will run them on

01:01:49 ◼   ► their Mac alright and so they're not

01:01:52 ◼   ► just using this glorified terminal but

01:01:53 ◼   ► actually doing local development that is

01:01:55 ◼   ► one class of software developer these

01:01:56 ◼   ► server-side software developers so if

01:01:58 ◼   ► Apple makes a CPU transition the Mac as

01:02:02 ◼   ► a server-side software dev platform

01:02:04 ◼   ► becomes far less attractive because

01:02:07 ◼   ► apples not going to sell those CPUs to

01:02:10 ◼   ► run on the server and now it could be if

01:02:12 ◼   ► they just use the same instruction set

01:02:13 ◼   ► and somehow armed on the server becomes

01:02:15 ◼   ► a thing lots of companies have been

01:02:17 ◼   ► trying to make armor and the server

01:02:18 ◼   ► birthing for a long time hasn't quite

01:02:22 ◼   ► happened but if Apple's not gonna make

01:02:24 ◼   ► it happen and no one else makes it

01:02:26 ◼   ► happen and Intel continues to endure

01:02:29 ◼   ► even AMD continue to dominate the server

01:02:31 ◼   ► space with x86 64

01:02:33 ◼   ► it makes the Mac Mac less attractive to

01:02:35 ◼   ► in one particular area and same thing

01:02:38 ◼   ► for Windows I'm just picking this

01:02:39 ◼   ► example but if you rely on the ability

01:02:40 ◼   ► to run Windows virtualized Windows at

01:02:43 ◼   ► full speed as part of some important

01:02:46 ◼   ► business that you do let's use a Mac

01:02:47 ◼   ► when previously you couldn't because you

01:02:48 ◼   ► can also run a Windows on it I know when

01:02:50 ◼   ► those is ported to arm as well right but

01:02:53 ◼   ► it really just depends on do people

01:02:55 ◼   ► portal or Windows software arm do they

01:02:57 ◼   ► recompile it for arm do most pcs sold

01:02:59 ◼   ► become arm

01:03:01 ◼   ► ideally whatever transition Apple makes

01:03:05 ◼   ► the whole rest of the industry would

01:03:08 ◼   ► also make pcs servers everything whether

01:03:12 ◼   ► or not Apple helps them naked I think

01:03:14 ◼   ► Apple will not help them make it so the

01:03:16 ◼   ► only way we can get maintain the golden

01:03:18 ◼   ► age where everything runs on the same

01:03:20 ◼   ► platform is if the rest of the industry

01:03:22 ◼   ► also transitions more or less at the

01:03:24 ◼   ► same time without any of Apple's help

01:03:27 ◼   ► which seems unlikely to me so that would

01:03:29 ◼   ► make me slightly more sad and I think it

01:03:32 ◼   ► would make the app the Mac slightly less

01:03:34 ◼   ► desirable or even viable for certain Pro

01:03:38 ◼   ► applications everything else that the

01:03:41 ◼   ► Mac normally does no one cares you can

01:03:42 ◼   ► develop Mac software on it you could run

01:03:44 ◼   ► all your applications you can browse the

01:03:45 ◼   ► web so it's probably not that big of a

01:03:46 ◼   ► deal but it is the one angle that I have

01:03:48 ◼   ► found myself pondering you know if I'm

01:03:51 ◼   ► able to bring myself to believe that

01:03:53 ◼   ► they're really gonna do this actually be

01:03:55 ◼   ► like how would it change my experience

01:03:56 ◼   ► of Mac's you know what would it and I'd

01:03:59 ◼   ► even get into you know playing Windows

01:04:00 ◼   ► games with our guess who cares that's

01:04:01 ◼   ► really small but I look around my big

01:04:03 ◼   ► company full of hundreds of developers

01:04:05 ◼   ► and how many Mac's I see and everything

01:04:06 ◼   ► they're doing with them and think what

01:04:08 ◼   ► if that Mac was armed but all of our

01:04:11 ◼   ► servers were still x86 how would that

01:04:13 ◼   ► change how viable the Mac is for you and

01:04:16 ◼   ► I think it would be would be worse so

01:04:19 ◼   ► that's one more thing for me to not look

01:04:21 ◼   ► forward to on the flip side of that is

01:04:22 ◼   ► what Mark was talking about how awesome

01:04:23 ◼   ► would be

01:04:24 ◼   ► Thompson I frankly I think how awesome

01:04:26 ◼   ► it would be on the Mac Pro I would love

01:04:28 ◼   ► to see a massive multi-core apple design

01:04:31 ◼   ► ARM processor that outperforms a Xeon

01:04:32 ◼   ► with less power I would love that and I

01:04:34 ◼   ► think it's 100% possible maybe on

01:04:36 ◼   ► Apple's second or third try and help

01:04:38 ◼   ► maybe on their first try those people

01:04:39 ◼   ► are really smart but there are some

01:04:41 ◼   ► things I would miss one other thing to

01:04:44 ◼   ► think about is like you know we're

01:04:46 ◼   ► assuming that you know if Apple does

01:04:49 ◼   ► this transition that the processor is

01:04:52 ◼   ► being in their hands would be a good

01:04:54 ◼   ► thing and that they would outperform or

01:04:57 ◼   ► they would match or I perform what Intel

01:04:59 ◼   ► is doing and the assumption in that is

01:05:01 ◼   ► that they will always or at least for a

01:05:03 ◼   ► long time

01:05:04 ◼   ► outperform what the rest of the PC

01:05:06 ◼   ► industry is doing but that might not

01:05:08 ◼   ► hold like it might be what if they can

01:05:10 ◼   ► put this transition and then they find

01:05:13 ◼   ► themselves actually not doing as well as

01:05:16 ◼   ► the PC industry or not caring as much

01:05:18 ◼   ► about the processors of developing for

01:05:20 ◼   ► the Mac and therefore like you know

01:05:22 ◼   ► today we have the issue of you know it

01:05:24 ◼   ► doesn't see them I take care as much

01:05:25 ◼   ► about the Mac but as they do about iOS

01:05:27 ◼   ► so you know they have like these product

01:05:29 ◼   ► lines that just sit around forever when

01:05:32 ◼   ► at when Intel does make a new generation

01:05:34 ◼   ► of processor it's not that much work to

01:05:38 ◼   ► create to update these new product lines

01:05:40 ◼   ► to use that new component it's way less

01:05:43 ◼   ► engineering resources to take Intel's

01:05:46 ◼   ► newest chip and stick it in the Mac you

01:05:48 ◼   ► already have designed than it is to

01:05:51 ◼   ► design the next version of the you know

01:05:53 ◼   ► a10 you know quadruple x whatever

01:05:57 ◼   ► whatever it is that would be like you

01:05:59 ◼   ► know the high-performance version of

01:06:00 ◼   ► this this year's a series processor it's

01:06:03 ◼   ► very possible that could backfire on us

01:06:05 ◼   ► like it could be that Apple takes it

01:06:09 ◼   ► over then down the road decides the Mac

01:06:11 ◼   ► is not that you know important to them

01:06:13 ◼   ► which wouldn't be unheard of because

01:06:15 ◼   ► that's already how it's been and then

01:06:17 ◼   ► they just never update those chips for

01:06:21 ◼   ► those compute for the Mac and because as

01:06:24 ◼   ► John's like because they're not selling

01:06:25 ◼   ► these chips outside of Apple which I can

01:06:27 ◼   ► never see them doing there would be no

01:06:29 ◼   ► other pressure for them to keep those

01:06:32 ◼   ► chips updated so they actually might

01:06:34 ◼   ► make them like it would basically raise

01:06:37 ◼   ► the car

01:06:38 ◼   ► of updating the Mack line to keep pace

01:06:41 ◼   ► with the latest and greatest hardware

01:06:43 ◼   ► and I think the last thing Apple he

01:06:46 ◼   ► heats us for that cost to be raised

01:06:47 ◼   ► because right now they already seem to

01:06:50 ◼   ► have a lot of trouble justifying

01:06:51 ◼   ► investment in the Mac so if it's more

01:06:54 ◼   ► expensive to update the Mac to you know

01:06:57 ◼   ► update Mac hardware to the latest

01:06:59 ◼   ► generation of whatever that actually

01:07:02 ◼   ► could really backfire quite badly on us

01:07:04 ◼   ► and we that could result in even less

01:07:07 ◼   ► attention even fewer updates even less

01:07:10 ◼   ► competitive performance to what the rest

01:07:12 ◼   ► of industry is doing it's like the the

01:07:15 ◼   ► trashcan Mac Pro we were like oh why

01:07:17 ◼   ► isn't Apple updated to use the latest

01:07:19 ◼   ► Zeon's we'll imagine there were no

01:07:20 ◼   ► latest eons and I would say we're using

01:07:22 ◼   ► the highest performance yes a whatever

01:07:25 ◼   ► processes are available it's like yeah

01:07:27 ◼   ► but well you got me there I mean they

01:07:29 ◼   ► are you just haven't made another one so

01:07:32 ◼   ► technically it is still using the

01:07:33 ◼   ► fastest one Yeah right like you get the

01:07:35 ◼   ► good and the bad with like bringing this

01:07:37 ◼   ► stuff in-house to Apple you get probably

01:07:40 ◼   ► pretty good performance and power

01:07:42 ◼   ► efficiency gains but at the cost of now

01:07:45 ◼   ► you're at the wins of Apple and Apple is

01:07:48 ◼   ► you know fickle and in in many areas

01:07:51 ◼   ► unreliable and you know this you would

01:07:55 ◼   ► be at the whims of whatever they felt

01:07:56 ◼   ► worth doing even more than you are now

01:08:00 ◼   ► because the cost of keeping the things

01:08:02 ◼   ► updated would be higher to them that's

01:08:05 ◼   ► worth mentioning the other angle that a

01:08:06 ◼   ► lot of people are talking about mostly

01:08:08 ◼   ► because this Bloomberg article is so

01:08:09 ◼   ► careful not to say anything definitive

01:08:11 ◼   ► about anything they're like well you

01:08:13 ◼   ► know that Bloomberg girl doesn't

01:08:14 ◼   ► actually say arm anywhere they're just

01:08:16 ◼   ► Apple would make its own chips what if

01:08:17 ◼   ► they make their own x86 chips and they

01:08:20 ◼   ► can do that you know money solves a lot

01:08:23 ◼   ► of problems

01:08:24 ◼   ► patents licensing instruction set

01:08:26 ◼   ► whatever you know dealing with Intel

01:08:28 ◼   ► like assuming you threw enough money of

01:08:31 ◼   ► the people you need to throw money at to

01:08:32 ◼   ► be allowed to do that

01:08:33 ◼   ► Alpo could probably make a pretty good

01:08:35 ◼   ► x86 chip I have a hard time believing

01:08:38 ◼   ► Apple could make it substantially better

01:08:41 ◼   ► x86 check than Intel because apples

01:08:44 ◼   ► expertise thus far has been in making

01:08:46 ◼   ► arm CPUs and x86 even just plain old

01:08:50 ◼   ► Exodus

01:08:50 ◼   ► 664 is a much more let's say warty

01:08:55 ◼   ► instruction set than arm it's got a lot

01:08:58 ◼   ► of history behind it it's weird in lots

01:09:01 ◼   ► of interesting ways and intel has a lot

01:09:03 ◼   ► of experience and you know instruction

01:09:06 ◼   ► decode hardware and all sorts of you

01:09:09 ◼   ► know chip within a chip ways to crack

01:09:11 ◼   ► apart those big variable with

01:09:13 ◼   ► instructions and feed it into a machine

01:09:15 ◼   ► that works more like a modern processor

01:09:17 ◼   ► on the inside I mean it's not as big a

01:09:20 ◼   ► difference as people think because

01:09:21 ◼   ► modern you know arm risk style

01:09:24 ◼   ► processors also have to do lots of weird

01:09:26 ◼   ► stuff internally as well but there's a

01:09:29 ◼   ► lot of institutional expertise both AMD

01:09:31 ◼   ► and Intel have that Apple does not have

01:09:33 ◼   ► when it comes to figuring out how to

01:09:34 ◼   ► make the x86 instruction set faster even

01:09:37 ◼   ► just the x86 64 one which is much nicer

01:09:40 ◼   ► than a 32-bit or let alone the 16-bit or

01:09:42 ◼   ► whatever variants so I it that seems

01:09:48 ◼   ► much less likely to me like it really

01:09:51 ◼   ► hammers on what Marko was getting at

01:09:52 ◼   ► which is like okay Apple now you're on

01:09:55 ◼   ► now you have something to keep up with

01:09:57 ◼   ► you're making your own x86 chips and so

01:09:59 ◼   ► we can still ask the question hey Apple

01:10:01 ◼   ► you have an update that whatever chip in

01:10:02 ◼   ► your whatever Mac for a long time

01:10:03 ◼   ► meanwhile Intel has released three new

01:10:05 ◼   ► chips that are faster what's the deal

01:10:07 ◼   ► you could just use those Intel chips why

01:10:08 ◼   ► did you go on your own or it's at least

01:10:10 ◼   ► if they do arm we can't tell them you

01:10:12 ◼   ► know unless someone else decides to make

01:10:13 ◼   ► like 17 core ARM chips they're

01:10:17 ◼   ► stubbornly refusing to use in their new

01:10:19 ◼   ► arm Mac Pro whatever so that I think

01:10:23 ◼   ► this this realization and everything

01:10:25 ◼   ► we're talking about is leading people to

01:10:27 ◼   ► talk more around this blimp rogues story

01:10:28 ◼   ► about I think for the first time I'm

01:10:29 ◼   ► hearing people speculates more seriously

01:10:31 ◼   ► about the idea of them having x86 at the

01:10:35 ◼   ► high end and arm at the low end like for

01:10:37 ◼   ► some sustained period of time rather

01:10:38 ◼   ► than having a transition where you just

01:10:40 ◼   ► say all the x86 Mac's are gone and all

01:10:43 ◼   ► the Mac's are a whatever ARM chips but

01:10:46 ◼   ► rather instead saying we're never going

01:10:47 ◼   ► to make the investment to compete with

01:10:50 ◼   ► Zeon's those are always gonna be Zeon's

01:10:52 ◼   ► in the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro and we

01:10:54 ◼   ► will keep up with Intel's line as much

01:10:56 ◼   ► as we always have and we're just not

01:10:59 ◼   ► going to do stuff there but for all for

01:11:02 ◼   ► all of them

01:11:02 ◼   ► max that can essentially take drop-in

01:11:05 ◼   ► chips from our iPad and phone line maybe

01:11:08 ◼   ► with some minor tweaks in terms of

01:11:09 ◼   ► adding more cash or maybe some more

01:11:11 ◼   ► cores and you know beef your GPU and

01:11:13 ◼   ► stuff like that those will get armed and

01:11:16 ◼   ► as Marco said those are the majority of

01:11:18 ◼   ► Mac's sold and like the the x86 max will

01:11:23 ◼   ► just be as technical curiosity that

01:11:24 ◼   ► nerds and developers use but then the

01:11:27 ◼   ► max that most people buy to do basic

01:11:29 ◼   ► computing stuff and word processing and

01:11:32 ◼   ► run office and web browsing and run

01:11:35 ◼   ► spreadsheets and watch Netflix and

01:11:37 ◼   ► whatever else people want to do those

01:11:40 ◼   ► will all be armed and that is an

01:11:42 ◼   ► unprecedented move because Apple has

01:11:44 ◼   ► never had a sustained dual CPU strategy

01:11:49 ◼   ► on the Mac it has always been a

01:11:50 ◼   ► transition old chip goes out and your

01:11:52 ◼   ► chip comes in new chip has lots of

01:11:55 ◼   ► advantages everyone loves the new chip

01:11:56 ◼   ► look how fast it is look how fast

01:11:58 ◼   ► graphing calculator runs on the PowerPC

01:12:00 ◼   ► look how fast everything runs on x86

01:12:02 ◼   ► versus these ancient power pcs that IBM

01:12:04 ◼   ► doesn't update anymore I am NOT

01:12:09 ◼   ► enthusiastic about that future even

01:12:12 ◼   ► though it makes sense from a technical

01:12:13 ◼   ► perspective in terms of like what you

01:12:14 ◼   ► want to spend money on and what you

01:12:15 ◼   ► don't because tomorrow is earlier point

01:12:18 ◼   ► dealing with an OS that runs on two

01:12:21 ◼   ► different platforms is a who is it I

01:12:26 ◼   ► think a TP tipster said it on Twitter is

01:12:28 ◼   ► a bug multiplier like potentially there

01:12:31 ◼   ► are new bugs that might only exist on

01:12:33 ◼   ► one platform or another throwing another

01:12:34 ◼   ► very it's not double the bugs right

01:12:36 ◼   ► because not every bug is architecture

01:12:38 ◼   ► specific but throwing another variable

01:12:40 ◼   ► into the mix especially as variable as

01:12:42 ◼   ► significant as the instruction set is

01:12:45 ◼   ► not the best way to drive down bugs and

01:12:49 ◼   ► cost and it could be that the software

01:12:51 ◼   ► maintaining the software and dealing

01:12:53 ◼   ► with the bugs and the changes there is

01:12:55 ◼   ► actually more expensive than dealing

01:12:56 ◼   ► with the hardware I don't know how that

01:12:58 ◼   ► shakes out in the grand scheme of things

01:12:59 ◼   ► exactly how many millions of dollars it

01:13:01 ◼   ► would cost to build a Zeon competitor

01:13:03 ◼   ► yourself versus how many millions of

01:13:04 ◼   ► dollars it would cost to maintain in

01:13:06 ◼   ► perpetuity or at least for a decade or

01:13:08 ◼   ► so two architectures that you make and

01:13:12 ◼   ► OS the same OS for with the same apps

01:13:14 ◼   ► compiled the stat minor II

01:13:16 ◼   ► to toolchains and all the other stuff so

01:13:17 ◼   ► that also strikes me it's not ideal

01:13:19 ◼   ► likely the simplest solutions are that

01:13:22 ◼   ► Apple nope doesn't do this transition or

01:13:23 ◼   ► that they transition everything to the

01:13:25 ◼   ► same architecture on all their devices

01:13:27 ◼   ► and any sort of hybrid thing though it

01:13:29 ◼   ► might make sense from a nickel-and-dime

01:13:32 ◼   ► perspective I bet if you had to pitch it

01:13:34 ◼   ► to the Board of Directors it would seem

01:13:36 ◼   ► to too much like a half-measure and they

01:13:38 ◼   ► would say why don't we just all go if

01:13:40 ◼   ► you had to pitch them and say we're

01:13:41 ◼   ► gonna go all armed and it's unified and

01:13:43 ◼   ► we have a unified framework and a

01:13:44 ◼   ► unified architecture and we own all the

01:13:46 ◼   ► stuff that is way easier to sell to a

01:13:47 ◼   ► board of directors than any of the more

01:13:50 ◼   ► technical solutions where you leave the

01:13:52 ◼   ► pro Max's x86 and you support both of

01:13:54 ◼   ► them and have two tool trains two

01:13:55 ◼   ► compilers in fact binaries and you don't

01:13:56 ◼   ► transition I you know I don't think

01:13:59 ◼   ► that's a that's a winner it's funny

01:14:02 ◼   ► because I'm of two minds about this

01:14:04 ◼   ► whole thing the KC from a couple of

01:14:07 ◼   ► years ago that lived in VMware fusion in

01:14:10 ◼   ► Windows but on a Mac would most likely

01:14:14 ◼   ► really hate this and this is exactly

01:14:16 ◼   ► what you were talking about earlier John

01:14:18 ◼   ► that you know one of the advantages of

01:14:19 ◼   ► being able to virtualize a OS or a

01:14:23 ◼   ► platform that's based on the same

01:14:25 ◼   ► platform you're running is that it

01:14:26 ◼   ► happens really really fast right this is

01:14:28 ◼   ► in contrast to in this hypothetical

01:14:30 ◼   ► future when you're trying to emulate x86

01:14:33 ◼   ► on top of arm and who knows maybe this

01:14:35 ◼   ► phantom apple processor would be so damn

01:14:37 ◼   ► fast that you could get away with it but

01:14:40 ◼   ► the likelihood of that is not good and

01:14:41 ◼   ► so you know past KC who is doing Windows

01:14:44 ◼   ► development on his Mac does not want

01:14:46 ◼   ► this at all and I think the last time we

01:14:48 ◼   ► really spoke about this seriously I was

01:14:50 ◼   ► still that KC that that does not want

01:14:53 ◼   ► this at all but the current me that only

01:14:56 ◼   ► works on Xcode and you know other things

01:14:59 ◼   ► that are native to the Mac and I haven't

01:15:01 ◼   ► run Windows in at least a year if not

01:15:04 ◼   ► more I don't feel like I have a problem

01:15:07 ◼   ► with this and the thought of my beloved

01:15:09 ◼   ► 12-inch MacBook being faster with a

01:15:12 ◼   ► battery that lasts even longer which to

01:15:14 ◼   ► be fair I don't have any particular

01:15:15 ◼   ► complaints about the battery on this

01:15:17 ◼   ► thing but that being said you can always

01:15:19 ◼   ► have more more is always better so

01:15:21 ◼   ► having a 12-inch MacBook that is

01:15:23 ◼   ► considerably faster and yet has much

01:15:25 ◼   ► better battery life that sounds friggin

01:15:27 ◼   ► awesome like I totally want that

01:15:29 ◼   ► but what I'm not really doing is

01:15:32 ◼   ► considering what am I losing out on

01:15:33 ◼   ► because maybe there's some there's some

01:15:35 ◼   ► app that's vital to my workflow that I

01:15:38 ◼   ► won't be able to use anymore like you

01:15:41 ◼   ► know ffmpeg I believe is open-source so

01:15:43 ◼   ► presumably I could compile from source

01:15:44 ◼   ► if I needed to but just let's suppose

01:15:46 ◼   ► for the sake of discussion that ffmpeg

01:15:47 ◼   ► was never built forearm could not be

01:15:50 ◼   ► built forearm like that would stink I

01:15:52 ◼   ► use ffmpeg all the time for stupid stuff

01:15:54 ◼   ► that doesn't matter but it but you know

01:15:56 ◼   ► whether or not it matters it's important

01:15:58 ◼   ► to me it matters to me

01:16:00 ◼   ► weight to be clear you use it on the

01:16:01 ◼   ► 12-inch every great once well not

01:16:04 ◼   ► usually but perhaps not my best choice

01:16:08 ◼   ► of analogies or a examples but but you

01:16:11 ◼   ► get my point right is that there maybe

01:16:13 ◼   ► it's something else

01:16:14 ◼   ► maybe it's the app rocket which lets you

01:16:16 ◼   ► you know easily insert emoji pretty much

01:16:19 ◼   ► anywhere in the system you know it's a

01:16:21 ◼   ► rocket is a modern app I would assume if

01:16:23 ◼   ► this X eighties excuse me if this arm

01:16:25 ◼   ► thing happened that rocket would get

01:16:27 ◼   ► updated but what if for the sake of

01:16:28 ◼   ► discussion rocket isn't updated I use

01:16:31 ◼   ► rocket constantly probably hundreds of

01:16:33 ◼   ► times a day and if it didn't get updated

01:16:35 ◼   ► that would really bum me out and so

01:16:37 ◼   ► there there are probably trade-offs that

01:16:40 ◼   ► I'm not considering but on the surface

01:16:42 ◼   ► and going on the assumption that it you

01:16:44 ◼   ► know a this phantom new Apple processor

01:16:48 ◼   ► that goes in the 12-inch MacBook is you

01:16:50 ◼   ► know five times faster and that uses

01:16:53 ◼   ► half as much power or whatever the case

01:16:54 ◼   ► may be I think that sounds freaking

01:16:56 ◼   ► great an Apple being in control of its

01:16:58 ◼   ► own pipeline sounds freaking great but

01:17:01 ◼   ► who knows I mean like you guys were

01:17:03 ◼   ► saying maybe it would be that Apple

01:17:06 ◼   ► makes crummy desktop level CPUs maybe it

01:17:09 ◼   ► would be that they're even slower than

01:17:10 ◼   ► Intel like we don't know how it would

01:17:12 ◼   ► turn out but on the server is it faster

01:17:15 ◼   ► and then they don't make a new one for

01:17:16 ◼   ► three years yeah like you never know how

01:17:21 ◼   ► it's gonna turn out but the optimist in

01:17:23 ◼   ► me thinks hell yeah like even if even if

01:17:27 ◼   ► it's painful at first because some of

01:17:29 ◼   ► the things I really love don't get you

01:17:32 ◼   ► know don't get moved to like fat binary

01:17:34 ◼   ► or whatever they end up doing in

01:17:35 ◼   ► principle this sounds great I'm all I'm

01:17:38 ◼   ► all in on it I think I'd really like to

01:17:39 ◼   ► see how this plays out but it sounds

01:17:41 ◼   ► like we're waiting until at least

01:17:43 ◼   ► 20 20 if not after that so we'll say uh

01:17:46 ◼   ► or steak you want to put in dates no

01:17:49 ◼   ► think your windows VM thing like I think

01:17:51 ◼   ► that's a definitely a pretty rare case

01:17:54 ◼   ► because you really really wanted to use

01:17:55 ◼   ► a Mac but we're kind of doing Windows

01:17:56 ◼   ► developing and you can get away with it

01:17:58 ◼   ► because of VMware but I'm honestly I'm

01:17:59 ◼   ► surprised you were able to tolerate that

01:18:01 ◼   ► because that's no way to live an imac

01:18:02 ◼   ► constantly be using VMware to do Windows

01:18:04 ◼   ► stuff what's my alternative use a Dell

01:18:06 ◼   ► I'm not a monster yeah I know at some

01:18:09 ◼   ► point maybe that's better but like the

01:18:11 ◼   ► reason I brought into the point is that

01:18:13 ◼   ► yeah the reason I brought up server side

01:18:15 ◼   ► of stuff it's not just because it's what

01:18:17 ◼   ► I do for a living but because they're

01:18:20 ◼   ► there you know think of the big the big

01:18:23 ◼   ► tech companies you know you've got Apple

01:18:27 ◼   ► what is it Apple Google Amazon maybe

01:18:30 ◼   ► Microsoft Facebook right Facebook Amazon

01:18:35 ◼   ► increasingly Microsoft and Google write

01:18:39 ◼   ► a lot of or mostly server-side software

01:18:43 ◼   ► and when you picture the stereotypical

01:18:45 ◼   ► developer who works at any of those

01:18:47 ◼   ► companies and you picture them using a

01:18:49 ◼   ► Mac and being a cool tech nerd hipster

01:18:51 ◼   ► person they're writing server-side

01:18:53 ◼   ► software on the Mac and I have to think

01:18:56 ◼   ► that there is some aspect of having the

01:19:00 ◼   ► same CPU architecture as all of their

01:19:02 ◼   ► servers makes that a more desirable

01:19:06 ◼   ► development platform and there are a lot

01:19:09 ◼   ► of those people right I don't know how

01:19:11 ◼   ► many people are using a Mac to do

01:19:12 ◼   ► Windows development because they hate

01:19:13 ◼   ► Windows so much but there are a lot of

01:19:16 ◼   ► people writing server-side software and

01:19:18 ◼   ► my impression is that Mac's are very

01:19:20 ◼   ► prevalent at those companies and that's

01:19:23 ◼   ► why I think it's a use case that

01:19:24 ◼   ► actually may raise to the level of being

01:19:27 ◼   ► a factor in Apple's decision they will

01:19:30 ◼   ► at least consider it right because you

01:19:34 ◼   ► know like just think of the apple says

01:19:35 ◼   ► well we considered it but it's not

01:19:37 ◼   ► important enough use case it's too small

01:19:38 ◼   ► like we care about consumers right so

01:19:40 ◼   ► fine ten years from now if you went into

01:19:44 ◼   ► Facebook or Google or Microsoft or

01:19:47 ◼   ► Amazon and looked at all the developers

01:19:50 ◼   ► who are doing server-side development

01:19:51 ◼   ► what would it look like would it still

01:19:53 ◼   ► be filled with Mac's or would they be

01:19:55 ◼   ► mostly gone now

01:19:57 ◼   ► and people switch to what to to Windows

01:19:59 ◼   ► to Linux I don't know something that's

01:20:01 ◼   ► still on x86 or it could be that by

01:20:04 ◼   ► initiating this thing that Apple finally

01:20:06 ◼   ► kick-starts all other companies to start

01:20:08 ◼   ► pushing arm on the server more and

01:20:11 ◼   ► Amazon rolls that arm on the server for

01:20:13 ◼   ► all your ec2 instances and everything

01:20:14 ◼   ► and you know Microsoft arm on Windows

01:20:17 ◼   ► really starts to take off and Intel just

01:20:20 ◼   ► really has a bad decade it really just

01:20:24 ◼   ► fades from prominence and we're all

01:20:26 ◼   ► happy because we're all using arm

01:20:27 ◼   ► everywhere like that's a possibility I

01:20:30 ◼   ► suppose but you know I just the big tech

01:20:33 ◼   ► companies these days aren't the big tech

01:20:35 ◼   ► companies because they make native

01:20:38 ◼   ► applications and hardware most of the

01:20:41 ◼   ► big temp tech companies are big because

01:20:42 ◼   ► they run server-side software on cloud

01:20:46 ◼   ► infrastructure on x86 CPUs and their

01:20:49 ◼   ► developers all used Macs and run docker

01:20:52 ◼   ► and stuff yeah just to clarify what I

01:20:54 ◼   ► was saying earlier about ffmpeg that was

01:20:56 ◼   ► really a crummy example because ffmpeg

01:20:58 ◼   ► is open source so presumably like I

01:21:00 ◼   ► think I said it earlier but that could

01:21:02 ◼   ► be rebuilt from source but there's got

01:21:03 ◼   ► to be some closed source thing maybe

01:21:05 ◼   ► it's an Adobe product which doesn't

01:21:07 ◼   ► typically get updated very well maybe

01:21:08 ◼   ► it's some other thing maybe it's make

01:21:10 ◼   ► MKV maybe it's any number of other apps

01:21:12 ◼   ► that maybe you wouldn't be able to

01:21:15 ◼   ► recompile yourself from source and maybe

01:21:16 ◼   ► won't ever get upgraded or updated I

01:21:19 ◼   ► should say for this new platform and

01:21:21 ◼   ► then you would never be able to run that

01:21:22 ◼   ► app again and that would really stink or

01:21:23 ◼   ► you would have to be used some sort of

01:21:25 ◼   ► what was the virtual virtualization but

01:21:27 ◼   ► the thing that thank you were they you

01:21:29 ◼   ► would have some sort of Rosetta style

01:21:30 ◼   ► situation where yes you can still run it

01:21:33 ◼   ► but it's at you know a compromised

01:21:35 ◼   ► performance and blah blah blah so that's

01:21:38 ◼   ► the thing that worries me is that

01:21:39 ◼   ► sitting here now I'm all enthusiastic

01:21:41 ◼   ► and it sounds great

01:21:41 ◼   ► yeah give me my arm MacBook adorable

01:21:44 ◼   ► give it to me tomorrow but maybe I'd get

01:21:46 ◼   ► that arm MacBook adorable and realize oh

01:21:48 ◼   ► this this grass isn't quite as green as

01:21:50 ◼   ► I thought mark or any other thoughts on

01:21:52 ◼   ► this I think the the software argument

01:21:55 ◼   ► is is a good one like I think in any

01:21:57 ◼   ► transition like this one of the big

01:22:00 ◼   ► risks and problems is that you do lose

01:22:02 ◼   ► some apps you lose software like you

01:22:04 ◼   ► know when we went from PowerPC to Intel

01:22:05 ◼   ► not everything made it along the

01:22:07 ◼   ► transition

01:22:09 ◼   ► now the Mack is in a very different

01:22:12 ◼   ► place than where it was in 2006 when

01:22:15 ◼   ► that transition really happened you know

01:22:17 ◼   ► now a whole lot more Mack software's

01:22:20 ◼   ► really in maintenance mode or being

01:22:23 ◼   ► totally unmaintained and the software

01:22:25 ◼   ► the people still use you know like a lot

01:22:27 ◼   ► of developer attention moved to mobile

01:22:30 ◼   ► and a lot of Mac developers no longer

01:22:34 ◼   ► work on their apps or rather than the

01:22:36 ◼   ► apps the developers have a lot of Mac

01:22:38 ◼   ► apps are no longer working on them so

01:22:41 ◼   ► the magazine is in a kind of a bad spot

01:22:44 ◼   ► to go through an architecture transition

01:22:47 ◼   ► with no other modifications I think this

01:22:50 ◼   ► is possibly one of the reasons why I'm

01:22:51 ◼   ► so excited about this idea of project

01:22:54 ◼   ► marzipan of having iOS and Mac kind of

01:22:56 ◼   ► cross having cross compatibility between

01:22:58 ◼   ► the apps is that I think that could

01:23:00 ◼   ► really revive a lot of the Macs off our

01:23:01 ◼   ► market in theirs they were that would

01:23:04 ◼   ► dramatically I think increase the

01:23:08 ◼   ► developer interest in the Mac and and

01:23:11 ◼   ► developer support of the Mac because it

01:23:13 ◼   ► would lower that barrier allowed more

01:23:14 ◼   ► skills to be shared a lot more code to

01:23:16 ◼   ► be shared cetera so you know we talked

01:23:17 ◼   ► about that before so anything to to

01:23:20 ◼   ► revive software interest in the Mac of

01:23:22 ◼   ► among developers would be very well

01:23:26 ◼   ► timed to go before or during a partial

01:23:31 ◼   ► or full architectural transition because

01:23:34 ◼   ► that's when you need the developers to

01:23:37 ◼   ► be active on the Mac is right now if you

01:23:39 ◼   ► look around like like you know we're

01:23:40 ◼   ► about to lose a 32-bit probably this

01:23:42 ◼   ► fall

01:23:43 ◼   ► almost everyone probably has something

01:23:45 ◼   ► that will break you and we show this on

01:23:46 ◼   ► iOS too like when when I always drop

01:23:48 ◼   ► 32-bit almost everyone lost something

01:23:50 ◼   ► and if you might have been using any

01:23:52 ◼   ► more but you know you know not

01:23:54 ◼   ► everything made it and that's how this

01:23:56 ◼   ► is gonna be - like if max transition

01:23:58 ◼   ► away from Intel not everything is going

01:24:01 ◼   ► to make it we're already losing some a

01:24:02 ◼   ► lot of things with 32-bit and so to do

01:24:06 ◼   ► that without significant destruction and

01:24:09 ◼   ► problems for your users you need a

01:24:11 ◼   ► healthy and well maintained software

01:24:14 ◼   ► ecosystem the Mac had that in 2006 and

01:24:18 ◼   ► that's why PowerPC to Intel went so well

01:24:21 ◼   ► it's hard to say the Mac

01:24:23 ◼   ► has that now so this kind of transition

01:24:26 ◼   ► I think would be a very bad idea unless

01:24:28 ◼   ► and until the Mac has more active

01:24:32 ◼   ► development from third parties on it and

01:24:35 ◼   ► right now I don't see that happening

01:24:38 ◼   ► without some kind of major intervention

01:24:39 ◼   ► and project marzipan could be that I and

01:24:43 ◼   ► I so that's one of the reasons again I

01:24:44 ◼   ► really hope that happens yeah I think

01:24:46 ◼   ► the good news is that if either one of

01:24:48 ◼   ► these things happen I don't think anyone

01:24:50 ◼   ► can imagine a sequence in which the

01:24:52 ◼   ► marzipan anything doesn't come either

01:24:53 ◼   ► before simultaneous with the CPU

01:24:55 ◼   ► transition just because it takes so long

01:24:57 ◼   ► to make CPUs and Apple has already

01:25:01 ◼   ► dabbled in what it takes to reuse stuff

01:25:04 ◼   ► that you wrote in iOS on the Mac and so

01:25:07 ◼   ► like it see that just seems so much

01:25:08 ◼   ► closer to being a reality to me than a

01:25:11 ◼   ► CPU transition so I think we will get

01:25:15 ◼   ► something to address the GUI API parity

01:25:19 ◼   ► between iOS and the Mac before any CPU

01:25:23 ◼   ► transition or at exactly the same time

01:25:25 ◼   ► as a CPU transition for for the reasons

01:25:27 ◼   ► you just set because it's Apple I think

01:25:29 ◼   ► recognized is the same thing that going

01:25:31 ◼   ► through a transition with the Mac market

01:25:33 ◼   ► the way it is it's just gonna make more

01:25:34 ◼   ► people say well that's the last straw

01:25:36 ◼   ► screw it I'm just gonna be an iOS

01:25:38 ◼   ► developer or do something else well see

01:25:40 ◼   ► it's exciting times ahead maybe possibly

01:25:43 ◼   ► you never know alright let's do some

01:25:46 ◼   ► ASCII tipi

01:25:47 ◼   ► oh please writes hey we'll lift be

01:25:49 ◼   ► generally available during WDC as in not

01:25:52 ◼   ► swamped with users or should I rent a

01:25:54 ◼   ► car if I want to see the things around

01:25:55 ◼   ► San Jose like the Computer History

01:25:56 ◼   ► Museum in my experience from only one

01:26:01 ◼   ► year of WDC in San Jose it was fine like

01:26:04 ◼   ► I can't remember ever waiting on a lift

01:26:06 ◼   ► for any particular reason or for any

01:26:08 ◼   ► particular amounts of time I didn't have

01:26:10 ◼   ► any trouble so I don't know about you

01:26:11 ◼   ► guys

01:26:11 ◼   ► compared to San Francisco San Jose is

01:26:13 ◼   ► like a neutron bomb went off like

01:26:14 ◼   ► there's nobody there there is there's a

01:26:17 ◼   ► weird side effect though like it's a

01:26:18 ◼   ► you're right first of all San Jose is

01:26:20 ◼   ► empty the relatively speaking

01:26:22 ◼   ► the problem with San Jose so it's kind

01:26:24 ◼   ► of like the inverse plot of The Truman

01:26:27 ◼   ► Show where it seems like you walking

01:26:31 ◼   ► around are the only human being there

01:26:34 ◼   ► and everyone who works

01:26:36 ◼   ► every establishment in San Jose seems

01:26:40 ◼   ► like they're an actor and for the very

01:26:42 ◼   ► first time ever you are asking them to

01:26:44 ◼   ► do their job that is a bit much but you

01:26:49 ◼   ► are closer to the truth that I really

01:26:51 ◼   ► want to admit well welcome to California

01:26:54 ◼   ► like its it really does seem like you

01:26:56 ◼   ► are like the first customer

01:26:57 ◼   ► everyone's ever had everyone it's their

01:26:59 ◼   ► first day on the job like it's we we

01:27:03 ◼   ► found this to be the case last year

01:27:04 ◼   ► almost everywhere we went almost every

01:27:07 ◼   ► day it like and in various different

01:27:10 ◼   ► contexts like it just seems like the

01:27:13 ◼   ► city it seems like this is the first

01:27:15 ◼   ► time people had ever come here and I

01:27:17 ◼   ► know it's I know that's not the case

01:27:18 ◼   ► like I know you know this is a big city

01:27:20 ◼   ► like obviously people are here all the

01:27:22 ◼   ► time but it's not that big that's the

01:27:24 ◼   ► thing it's not a big city so anyway

01:27:27 ◼   ► hiring like lifts and stuff you know for

01:27:30 ◼   ► your time there you might have to tell

01:27:32 ◼   ► the person how to drive you are the

01:27:34 ◼   ► first person to ever ask them to do

01:27:36 ◼   ► their job you know obviously at least

01:27:37 ◼   ► that's how it will seem so I don't know

01:27:39 ◼   ► what happened in San Jose to make

01:27:41 ◼   ► everybody behave this way but that's how

01:27:43 ◼   ► it felt the entire time

01:27:45 ◼   ► San Jose from the perspective of an

01:27:47 ◼   ► adopted New Yorker you ain't wrong all

01:27:53 ◼   ► right Bart hoofs rights hey should I use

01:27:56 ◼   ► the new CloudFlare DNS thing or should I

01:27:58 ◼   ► stay with Google's DNS thing

01:28:00 ◼   ► so to recap google has a free and not

01:28:05 ◼   ► open but a free DNS it's the DNS servers

01:28:08 ◼   ► actually the IP address 8.8.8.8 and what

01:28:11 ◼   ► you can do is you can use Google's DNS

01:28:13 ◼   ► which is supposed to provide perks

01:28:15 ◼   ► although honestly I'm not even sure what

01:28:16 ◼   ► they are anymore the last time I used it

01:28:18 ◼   ► the only thing it really provided for me

01:28:20 ◼   ► was making things like YouTube slower

01:28:23 ◼   ► because I I was hitting servers that

01:28:25 ◼   ► were very far away from where I was

01:28:27 ◼   ► sitting I guess one of the advantages is

01:28:29 ◼   ► it prevents your ISP from knowing as

01:28:32 ◼   ► easily what web addresses you're going

01:28:34 ◼   ► to and things of that nature instead

01:28:36 ◼   ► you're giving it to Google because

01:28:37 ◼   ► that's a better choice but nevertheless

01:28:42 ◼   ► but yeah so that that was a thing it is

01:28:45 ◼   ► useful if your ISPs DNS perhaps the bed

01:28:48 ◼   ► which I know

01:28:49 ◼   ► is a comcastic thing to happen but I

01:28:53 ◼   ► don't know I've never really had that

01:28:54 ◼   ► trouble on on files or of your ISP does

01:28:57 ◼   ► stupid redirects where they they take

01:28:59 ◼   ► over the DNS when you do they mean you

01:29:01 ◼   ► typo something and throw you to some

01:29:02 ◼   ► stupid page to reuse ISP DNS because

01:29:08 ◼   ► they do that well also like you know I

01:29:10 ◼   ► really don't trust ISPs to be ethical at

01:29:13 ◼   ► all because they have shown in the u.s.

01:29:15 ◼   ► that they're not like they're just not

01:29:17 ◼   ► they they will do anything and

01:29:18 ◼   ► everything to be as sleazy as possible

01:29:20 ◼   ► because what are you gonna do about it

01:29:22 ◼   ► there's no competition and now there's

01:29:24 ◼   ► no FCC to regulate them so they can do

01:29:26 ◼   ► whatever they want and they know it and

01:29:28 ◼   ► they do like I would actually trust

01:29:30 ◼   ► Google more than I would trust Verizon

01:29:33 ◼   ► which is my ISP or

01:29:34 ◼   ► any major ISP in this country because at

01:29:38 ◼   ► least Google like there's a lot riding

01:29:40 ◼   ► on that if they mess up if they do

01:29:42 ◼   ► something creepy like so I think they're

01:29:44 ◼   ► less likely to try creepy stuff and if

01:29:47 ◼   ► they do creepy stuff they're less likely

01:29:48 ◼   ► to to get hacked and have my information

01:29:50 ◼   ► leaked all over the place so there's

01:29:53 ◼   ► there's a few reasons why I think I

01:29:54 ◼   ► would trust Google over any ISP that

01:29:57 ◼   ► being said I think I trust CloudFlare

01:30:00 ◼   ► more than any of them because a they're

01:30:04 ◼   ► not an advertising company and B they've

01:30:06 ◼   ► spelled out in their post announcing

01:30:08 ◼   ► this like why they're doing this for

01:30:10 ◼   ► free what's in it for them like what is

01:30:12 ◼   ► their business plan here and their

01:30:14 ◼   ► business plan is in part because they

01:30:16 ◼   ► seem to honestly care about making the

01:30:18 ◼   ► internet a better place and in part

01:30:19 ◼   ► because they offer Enterprise DNS

01:30:22 ◼   ► services that would be better and are

01:30:24 ◼   ► faster if more people who access the

01:30:27 ◼   ► enterprise's sites are using their DNS

01:30:30 ◼   ► on the client-side so there is a clear

01:30:33 ◼   ► business reason why this benefits

01:30:35 ◼   ► CloudFlare to do that does not depend on

01:30:39 ◼   ► creepy stuff that I don't want them to

01:30:41 ◼   ► be doing yeah systems good I'm not using

01:30:43 ◼   ► it personally but I I will say that I

01:30:46 ◼   ► would be far more likely to use this

01:30:48 ◼   ► than Google's thing I do use my eyes p's

01:30:51 ◼   ► dns because I don't often fat-finger

01:30:54 ◼   ► URLs so I don't see that god-awful

01:30:55 ◼   ► Verizon search page that I hate that it

01:30:58 ◼   ► hijacks when you enter a bogus URL they

01:31:00 ◼   ► used to have a way for you to turn that

01:31:01 ◼   ► off by

01:31:02 ◼   ► like you go to Verizon's preferences and

01:31:04 ◼   ► find it somewhere and say please don't

01:31:05 ◼   ► do that

01:31:05 ◼   ► but there still is it's it's poorly

01:31:08 ◼   ► documented but like if you change like

01:31:10 ◼   ► the last digit of your DNS servers in a

01:31:12 ◼   ► certain way like you get you get

01:31:13 ◼   ► alternate ones yeah yeah that used to be

01:31:15 ◼   ► that used to be the way but there's a

01:31:17 ◼   ► lot of like outdated documentation on

01:31:18 ◼   ► that and sometimes what used to works

01:31:20 ◼   ► stops working and it's it's annoying

01:31:22 ◼   ► sorry I dig up on your on your concern

01:31:26 ◼   ► KC about eight eight eight and eight

01:31:27 ◼   ► eight eight eight four four the other

01:31:29 ◼   ► one like that's my concern and my

01:31:32 ◼   ► experience with them as well as like a

01:31:33 ◼   ► lot of the the ISP DNS likes a sort of

01:31:37 ◼   ► local DNS use the fact that that that

01:31:40 ◼   ► DNS is local to get to give you

01:31:41 ◼   ► different names for common services so

01:31:43 ◼   ► you hit the closer incarnation of it and

01:31:47 ◼   ► if you use the Google one so the theory

01:31:49 ◼   ► went that it didn't know where you were

01:31:50 ◼   ► to as much you know like and it would

01:31:53 ◼   ► just send you to a server far away or

01:31:55 ◼   ► that has a worse route to you I'm pretty

01:31:58 ◼   ► sure Google with is a date thing

01:32:00 ◼   ► does a bunch of stuff to try to make

01:32:03 ◼   ► that less severe in other words is

01:32:04 ◼   ► you're not going to some central DNS

01:32:06 ◼   ► server in the middle of the country that

01:32:08 ◼   ► gives everyone the same number for all

01:32:10 ◼   ► the different services and that's why

01:32:11 ◼   ► you know like it tries to be local like

01:32:14 ◼   ► all Google thing it's massively

01:32:15 ◼   ► distributed it's not just one thing in

01:32:17 ◼   ► one place but my experience has been

01:32:20 ◼   ► that whatever that local thing is it's

01:32:22 ◼   ► not local enough and still occasionally

01:32:24 ◼   ► I will get poor performance on the flip

01:32:27 ◼   ► side sometimes you'll get better

01:32:28 ◼   ► performance because if you try using

01:32:29 ◼   ► your ISPs DNS I found is PDS to be

01:32:32 ◼   ► unreliable as in no-name resolves or

01:32:35 ◼   ► crappy as and it gives me like the same

01:32:39 ◼   ► IP for that name as everyone else was on

01:32:41 ◼   ► my the same ISP as me and it's crowded

01:32:44 ◼   ► and if I switch to a today they get

01:32:45 ◼   ► better traffic but either way I just I

01:32:50 ◼   ► think CloudFlare is probably doing the

01:32:51 ◼   ► same thing as Google in that regard I

01:32:53 ◼   ► didn't I didn't read their full blog

01:32:55 ◼   ► post but that that concern is real and

01:32:59 ◼   ► does sometimes ever on vacations and

01:33:01 ◼   ► that's why I hesitate to suggest to

01:33:04 ◼   ► non-technical friends and family oh you

01:33:06 ◼   ► shouldn't use the ISP DNS just always

01:33:09 ◼   ► use a today there or one on one

01:33:11 ◼   ► whatever because if they do find

01:33:13 ◼   ► themselves in a situation where they're

01:33:15 ◼   ► being sent to a server far away and they

01:33:16 ◼   ► get terrible forms they're gonna have no

01:33:17 ◼   ► idea how to debug that and I feel like

01:33:20 ◼   ► it's better for them to just use the ISP

01:33:22 ◼   ► DNS so then at least when it breaks they

01:33:23 ◼   ► know the number to call and complain to

01:33:25 ◼   ► people and the complaint will be

01:33:26 ◼   ► legitimate and they won't find

01:33:27 ◼   ► themselves in a situation where they the

01:33:30 ◼   ► ISP support person eventually discovers

01:33:32 ◼   ► that they have some weird dns and say oh

01:33:33 ◼   ► there's your problem just they're at the

01:33:36 ◼   ► mercy or their ISP in more ways than one

01:33:39 ◼   ► but even for me I think maybe half of

01:33:42 ◼   ► the devices in my house use the Google

01:33:43 ◼   ► DNS but the other half use the native

01:33:45 ◼   ► ones and I choose based on how important

01:33:48 ◼   ► it is for that device to get good video

01:33:50 ◼   ► streaming from like Netflix or whatever

01:33:52 ◼   ► not an ideal situation

01:33:54 ◼   ► ideal situation would be if the kind of

01:33:58 ◼   ► technical expertise general morality and

01:34:02 ◼   ► aligned business success incentives

01:34:05 ◼   ► demonstrated by CloudFlare actually

01:34:07 ◼   ► existed in is peace but we do not live

01:34:09 ◼   ► in that country no not even close which

01:34:12 ◼   ► is too bad

01:34:13 ◼   ► all right so Josh Rappaport asks hey

01:34:16 ◼   ► John with the release of Mac OS 10 point

01:34:18 ◼   ► three point four have you considered

01:34:19 ◼   ► getting an external GPU enclosure and a

01:34:21 ◼   ► fancy graphics card can you do more in

01:34:22 ◼   ► gaming on your Mac you can your Mac even

01:34:25 ◼   ► support this isn't it way too old for

01:34:27 ◼   ► this it doesn't even have thunderbolt

01:34:28 ◼   ► yeah I don't I can't I'm running out

01:34:31 ◼   ► Capitan I can't even run Sierra John's

01:34:35 ◼   ► Mac doesn't even have USB 3 nope to the

01:34:41 ◼   ► question about external GPUs

01:34:43 ◼   ► I think those are a good solution for

01:34:49 ◼   ► people who need to use GPU incentive

01:34:51 ◼   ► intensive things on a computer that

01:34:53 ◼   ► can't fit an internal GPU so laptops

01:34:55 ◼   ► right and my main concern in the laptop

01:35:00 ◼   ► realm is based on my experience using my

01:35:03 ◼   ► 2017 15 inch macbook pro at work

01:35:06 ◼   ► constantly connecting and disconnecting

01:35:08 ◼   ► it to my monitor and a hub thing that

01:35:11 ◼   ► gives me USB a connections and you know

01:35:16 ◼   ► what else comes off of that

01:35:17 ◼   ► well maybe DisplayPort for my old

01:35:19 ◼   ► monitor or whatever anyway I plug it

01:35:21 ◼   ► into a thing that periodically makes it

01:35:23 ◼   ► forces

01:35:24 ◼   ► turn on the discrete GPU and connect up

01:35:28 ◼   ► to a an external monitor and the

01:35:31 ◼   ► reliability of that is terrible there I

01:35:35 ◼   ► have to do all sorts of weird dances and

01:35:38 ◼   ► do things to make sure the machine

01:35:41 ◼   ► doesn't feel too rushed or too hassled

01:35:43 ◼   ► by me plugging and unplugging things

01:35:44 ◼   ► very often I plug it in and it just

01:35:47 ◼   ► ignores me

01:35:47 ◼   ► no no unplug it and plug it in again oh

01:35:50 ◼   ► maybe in a little potentially sometimes

01:35:51 ◼   ► no matter how many times I plug it in

01:35:53 ◼   ► and unplug it I have to pull the power

01:35:56 ◼   ► cord out of my hub thing that it's

01:35:59 ◼   ► connected to and basically reboot the

01:36:01 ◼   ► hub thingy sometimes it freezes with a

01:36:04 ◼   ► black screen and so like all this is

01:36:05 ◼   ► making me think do I really want to be

01:36:08 ◼   ► plugging and unplugging a GPU and

01:36:10 ◼   ► thinking this operating system is gonna

01:36:11 ◼   ► handle that gracefully because it can't

01:36:13 ◼   ► even handle plugging into an external

01:36:14 ◼   ► monitor in a consistent manner so I am

01:36:17 ◼   ► NOT optimistic about how good an

01:36:21 ◼   ► experience it will be to use an external

01:36:24 ◼   ► GPU but especially to connect an

01:36:26 ◼   ► external GPU to a system that didn't

01:36:28 ◼   ► previously have it and disconnect it

01:36:30 ◼   ► without doing all sorts of dances and

01:36:32 ◼   ► jumping through hoops and bending over

01:36:33 ◼   ► backwards to make sure the machine isn't

01:36:34 ◼   ► too rushed or isn't too upset

01:36:36 ◼   ► I mean plugging in the second GPU so my

01:36:39 ◼   ► faith and the reliability of the Mac

01:36:42 ◼   ► operating system to handle this is

01:36:43 ◼   ► shaken despite the fact that I realize

01:36:45 ◼   ► this is a revolutionary feature for the

01:36:48 ◼   ► part of people who are on the go

01:36:49 ◼   ► previously had no way to to increase the

01:36:53 ◼   ► GPU power of their portable machine like

01:36:56 ◼   ► you do only so much you could fit in

01:36:57 ◼   ► that case and they were just the fans

01:36:58 ◼   ► would be spinning you get the hottest

01:37:00 ◼   ► one you could and it would still be

01:37:01 ◼   ► terrible and now all of a sudden you're

01:37:02 ◼   ► telling me I can get this little

01:37:03 ◼   ► external enclosure and have massively

01:37:06 ◼   ► more powerful GPU maybe they'll just

01:37:08 ◼   ► deal with the bugs and they'll just be

01:37:09 ◼   ► worth it for them to be able to do like

01:37:10 ◼   ► live video previews of 4k video or

01:37:12 ◼   ► whatever they're doing with their GPU

01:37:14 ◼   ► rendering stuff like that but for me

01:37:16 ◼   ► personally like I would not my choice of

01:37:21 ◼   ► a gaming rig would not be a Mac laptop

01:37:23 ◼   ► with an external GPU

01:37:25 ◼   ► there's a reason I'm waiting for the Mac

01:37:26 ◼   ► Pro so I don't know I'm not personal

01:37:27 ◼   ► interested in this thanks to our

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01:37:30 ◼   ► Kaspar Squarespace and Rover and we'll

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01:37:36 ◼   ► now the show is over

01:37:39 ◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin cuz it

01:37:42 ◼   ► was accidental oh it was accidental John

01:37:48 ◼   ► didn't do any research Marko and Casey

01:37:51 ◼   ► wouldn't let him

01:37:52 ◼   ► because it was accidentally was

01:37:56 ◼   ► accidental and you can find the show

01:37:59 ◼   ► notes at a TPM and if you can follow

01:38:07 ◼   ► them CAS II WA L is s so that's Casey

01:38:13 ◼   ► less and a are Co AR m and T Marco

01:38:18 ◼   ► Arment SI r AC Syracuse

01:38:36 ◼   ► [Music]

01:38:38 ◼   ► so Casey I think I have a solution to

01:38:41 ◼   ► your BMW problem if I'm trying to solve

01:38:45 ◼   ► my BMW problem with Morgan with more BMW

01:38:48 ◼   ► spend a shitload of money then yes you

01:38:51 ◼   ► have definitely found a solution for me

01:38:54 ◼   ► BMW is come up with a subscription

01:38:55 ◼   ► service you heard that right that is not

01:38:58 ◼   ► a joke

01:38:59 ◼   ► it is now offering a subscription

01:39:01 ◼   ► service only in Nashville or I'm sorry

01:39:03 ◼   ► it will be offering a subscription

01:39:05 ◼   ► service only in Nashville for $2,000 a

01:39:09 ◼   ► month and thousand dollars a month you

01:39:14 ◼   ► can choose between x5s for syriza's five

01:39:18 ◼   ► syriza's plug-in hybrids etc and they

01:39:22 ◼   ► will deliver with like white-glove

01:39:24 ◼   ► service they will deliver the car you

01:39:25 ◼   ► want to your door they will take away

01:39:27 ◼   ► the car you already have and you can be

01:39:30 ◼   ► assured that the car you are given is

01:39:32 ◼   ► freshly detailed etc etc for $3,700 a

01:39:38 ◼   ► month you can alternatively get access

01:39:40 ◼   ► to m4 m5 m6 convertibles as well as x5m

01:39:44 ◼   ► x6m

01:39:45 ◼   ► etc none of these apparently offer the 7

01:39:48 ◼   ► Series but you know whatever but what's

01:39:50 ◼   ► interesting about this is it includes

01:39:52 ◼   ► not only access to the car but insurance

01:39:54 ◼   ► maintenance roadside assistance etcetera

01:39:55 ◼   ► etcetera etcetera so if you are willing

01:39:57 ◼   ► to trade an asinine amount of money for

01:40:00 ◼   ► a fair bit of convenience you can get a

01:40:02 ◼   ► suite or a fleet I should say of BMWs at

01:40:06 ◼   ► your disposal and I think in general

01:40:10 ◼   ► this is a pretty cool idea as long as

01:40:14 ◼   ► you don't have kids where you have to

01:40:15 ◼   ► plug in a car seat as long as you're not

01:40:17 ◼   ► the kind of person that likes to have a

01:40:18 ◼   ► whole bunch of things sitting around in

01:40:20 ◼   ► your car be that a rag or a charger

01:40:24 ◼   ► perhaps a obscenely overpriced car

01:40:26 ◼   ► charger to go with your obscenely

01:40:27 ◼   ► overpriced BMW subscription do you have

01:40:31 ◼   ► a rag in your car yes I have a rag in my

01:40:34 ◼   ► car why wouldn't you have a rag in here

01:40:35 ◼   ► alright what kind of rag do you have

01:40:36 ◼   ► where is it

01:40:37 ◼   ► I believe generally speaking it is a

01:40:40 ◼   ► blue surgical rag that was never used

01:40:43 ◼   ► for surgery but my my uncle was a eye

01:40:46 ◼   ► surgeon for the longest time and he

01:40:48 ◼   ► would either purchase or snag a series

01:40:52 ◼   ► of these blue rags that are probably

01:40:53 ◼   ► about a foot square and they are the

01:40:55 ◼   ► best rags for general purpose use and

01:40:58 ◼   ► they're intended to be used in like

01:40:59 ◼   ► surgeries and things but he would just

01:41:01 ◼   ► grab them and then give a batch to my

01:41:03 ◼   ► dad or me and it is sitting in the

01:41:05 ◼   ► little container compartment whatever in

01:41:08 ◼   ► in the driver side door so if I ever

01:41:09 ◼   ► have to say wipe off the inside of the

01:41:11 ◼   ► inside of the of the windshield because

01:41:15 ◼   ► maybe I've had my windows open and some

01:41:16 ◼   ► like you know that kind of like film

01:41:18 ◼   ► that gets on the inside after a while

01:41:19 ◼   ► you can wipe it off with that if you

01:41:22 ◼   ► ever have to kill a spider because

01:41:23 ◼   ► somehow spider has found its way into

01:41:25 ◼   ► your car yeah but then you're then

01:41:26 ◼   ► you're smearing spiders all over the

01:41:28 ◼   ► windshield after the next time you clean

01:41:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah so the reason I asked about it

01:41:31 ◼   ► is because it brought back memories of

01:41:34 ◼   ► my grandfather who also had a rag in his

01:41:37 ◼   ► car but it was a filthy rag and it was

01:41:39 ◼   ► in the trunk and it was used to clean

01:41:40 ◼   ► off the dipstick when you're checking

01:41:41 ◼   ► the oil yeah that's the I'm more curious

01:41:45 ◼   ► what it what are these rags used for in

01:41:47 ◼   ► the surgery I think to mop up blood and

01:41:49 ◼   ► things like that third eye surgeon

01:41:51 ◼   ► that's it's not terribly useful right or

01:41:53 ◼   ► one would hope not anyway but for

01:41:54 ◼   ► general purpose surgeries I'm assuming

01:41:56 ◼   ► that's what they're for speaking of

01:41:57 ◼   ► surgery and surgical cleanliness the

01:41:59 ◼   ► reason I was moaning about you about

01:42:02 ◼   ► your use of this rag that you keep in

01:42:06 ◼   ► that the door pocket to clean the inside

01:42:08 ◼   ► of your windshield is because mm-hmm be

01:42:11 ◼   ► first of all the inside every wind chill

01:42:12 ◼   ► is a hard spot to clean it's

01:42:13 ◼   ► inconvenient it's hard to reach right

01:42:15 ◼   ► you know like just arm angle wise and

01:42:19 ◼   ► stuff does all sorts of film of your

01:42:22 ◼   ► human gross miss like collects on there

01:42:23 ◼   ► and everything but the other problem

01:42:25 ◼   ► especially I imagined in Casey's car

01:42:27 ◼   ► well that you can correct me if I'm

01:42:28 ◼   ► wrong is that potentially you may use

01:42:31 ◼   ► something to clean the dashboard that is

01:42:34 ◼   ► right below the windshield some kind of

01:42:36 ◼   ► product to to keep that clean there

01:42:38 ◼   ► maintained it or protected from UV or

01:42:40 ◼   ► whatever you're thinking like armor-all

01:42:41 ◼   ► or equivalent or anything like that

01:42:43 ◼   ► right something something other than

01:42:45 ◼   ► just a completely dry rag to clean that

01:42:47 ◼   ► part of your dashboard and make it look

01:42:48 ◼   ► nice

01:42:49 ◼   ► if you touch the rag that you're using

01:42:52 ◼   ► to clean the inside of your dashboard

01:42:54 ◼   ► any part of it

01:42:55 ◼   ► to the the inside of your windshield if

01:42:58 ◼   ► you touch that to the dashboard and then

01:43:00 ◼   ► bring that to your windshield you're in

01:43:01 ◼   ► for a world of hurt because the last

01:43:03 ◼   ► thing you wanted to do is have even a

01:43:04 ◼   ► corner of that thing touch your armor

01:43:06 ◼   ► all covered dashboard and then smear

01:43:08 ◼   ► that all over your window because you

01:43:10 ◼   ► will spend the rest of your life with

01:43:11 ◼   ► your arm at a weird angle of trying to

01:43:12 ◼   ► get that stuff off the inside of your

01:43:14 ◼   ► windshield and it is not easy so to try

01:43:16 ◼   ► it there's some good YouTube videos

01:43:17 ◼   ► about this for the like the correct and

01:43:19 ◼   ► only sane way to clean the inside of

01:43:22 ◼   ► your windshield involves basically

01:43:24 ◼   ► surgical cleanliness it's like you're

01:43:26 ◼   ► like you're in you know this looking

01:43:28 ◼   ► chip fab a cleanroom you must use a rag

01:43:31 ◼   ► perfectly clean freshly cleaned has not

01:43:34 ◼   ► touched anything else you use it to wipe

01:43:36 ◼   ► off the gross film then maybe you can

01:43:38 ◼   ► use the other side of that rag and then

01:43:39 ◼   ► it's done then you have to get your next

01:43:41 ◼   ► rag and you can't touch it to any part

01:43:43 ◼   ► of the trim or anything else that might

01:43:44 ◼   ► have arm roll on it like this is a

01:43:46 ◼   ► disaster alright I have an alternate

01:43:48 ◼   ► policy no armor-all

01:43:50 ◼   ► ever goes in my car I hate armor oh I

01:43:53 ◼   ► hate the idea that I touch any surface

01:43:55 ◼   ► and it's greasy that is awful there was

01:43:57 ◼   ► one time where like a detailer used it

01:44:00 ◼   ► without asking and it drove me nuts I

01:44:04 ◼   ► was like taking like a beach towel like

01:44:06 ◼   ► wiping it like trying to wipe it all off

01:44:08 ◼   ► it was horrible

01:44:10 ◼   ► probably smearing it all over the inside

01:44:12 ◼   ► of your windshield yeah why we're all is

01:44:13 ◼   ► the worst but there are lots of things

01:44:14 ◼   ► that you can use to clean the inside of

01:44:16 ◼   ► your car all of them have in various

01:44:19 ◼   ► ways are you do not want them touching

01:44:20 ◼   ► your windshield no they don't all vacuum

01:44:23 ◼   ► cleaner and cloth that's all you need to

01:44:25 ◼   ► clean a car you don't need like two like

01:44:27 ◼   ► coat your your dashboard with the grease

01:44:31 ◼   ► unfortunately even water even like

01:44:33 ◼   ► dampness the problem is the grease comes

01:44:35 ◼   ► from you from your body

01:44:37 ◼   ► what's collecting on the inside of your

01:44:40 ◼   ► windshield is human scum right it's

01:44:44 ◼   ► coming from inside the car that also

01:44:46 ◼   ► settles on your dashboard so even just

01:44:48 ◼   ► rubbing it with a dry cloth you were

01:44:49 ◼   ► picking up some some grease and if you

01:44:52 ◼   ► if you would like to rub the top of your

01:44:54 ◼   ► dashboard with a dry cloth and then take

01:44:55 ◼   ► that same dry cloth and rub your

01:44:56 ◼   ► windshield you are adding to the mess on

01:44:58 ◼   ► your windshield clean the inside of your

01:44:59 ◼   ► windshield is really hard to do I and

01:45:02 ◼   ► I'm terrible at it by the way like don't

01:45:04 ◼   ► think just because I reference those

01:45:05 ◼   ► YouTube videos I show you how to do it

01:45:06 ◼   ► right I am terrible I which is why I

01:45:07 ◼   ► know

01:45:08 ◼   ► difficult actually is to do I mean maybe

01:45:10 ◼   ► maybe I'm just not as as greasy greasy

01:45:14 ◼   ► is you guys I'm Italian I I don't

01:45:17 ◼   ► I hardly ever have to clean somebody

01:45:18 ◼   ► said I just don't touch it and by not

01:45:20 ◼   ► touching it I almost never have to do

01:45:22 ◼   ► but that is one that is a reasonable

01:45:25 ◼   ► policy because a lot of people make the

01:45:26 ◼   ► mistake of getting something on their

01:45:28 ◼   ► windshield and then they try to like rub

01:45:30 ◼   ► it with their hand or something an

01:45:31 ◼   ► accident has grease on it started the

01:45:33 ◼   ► cycle of grease Christmas but Casey's

01:45:35 ◼   ► rag that thing I would never touch that

01:45:38 ◼   ► to the inside of my windshield because I

01:45:40 ◼   ► think you're just making it worse like

01:45:41 ◼   ► you okay so you need to come on you're

01:45:43 ◼   ► you are fancy enough of a car person you

01:45:45 ◼   ► need to come on board they like time to

01:45:47 ◼   ► crack out the completely sealed

01:45:49 ◼   ► completely sterile never seen the light

01:45:51 ◼   ► of day rag which I will carefully handle

01:45:54 ◼   ► with my perfectly clean hands and wipe

01:45:56 ◼   ► down the inside of my windshield maybe

01:45:59 ◼   ► not even the whole windshield but just

01:46:00 ◼   ► half of it and then throw that thing

01:46:01 ◼   ► away and then your rag just keeping the

01:46:04 ◼   ► keeping the trunk for dipstick checking

01:46:06 ◼   ► or you can just have lower standards can

01:46:07 ◼   ► we get back to the point so BMW has a

01:46:10 ◼   ► subscription starter so do you think the

01:46:11 ◼   ► BMW concierge a car seat what if you

01:46:18 ◼   ► have a rag I mean cuz they they say they

01:46:20 ◼   ► would they will personally deliver the

01:46:21 ◼   ► vehicle they arrived fully fueled and

01:46:24 ◼   ► freshly detailed with personal

01:46:25 ◼   ► preferences already preset say can I get

01:46:29 ◼   ► a filthy rag in the door pocket yeah

01:46:31 ◼   ► well what do you mean by personal

01:46:33 ◼   ► preference is it just like where the

01:46:34 ◼   ► seat is or can it be like can you also

01:46:36 ◼   ► install this particular brand of car

01:46:38 ◼   ► seat in this spot load the pocket below

01:46:40 ◼   ► it with these three toys my kid likes

01:46:41 ◼   ► and wants to play with in the car today

01:46:42 ◼   ► put my brand of sunglasses in the

01:46:44 ◼   ► sunglass holder that is probably not

01:46:46 ◼   ► there because BMW doesn't percent less

01:46:47 ◼   ► holders anywhere how far will this go

01:46:49 ◼   ► could you get them to even pick your

01:46:51 ◼   ► scent in the 7 Series I think yeah like

01:46:53 ◼   ► could you get them to include one of

01:46:55 ◼   ► these surgical rags that mops up KC's

01:46:58 ◼   ► uncle's eye blood in the door pocket so

01:47:00 ◼   ► you can reach it and can can they pre

01:47:03 ◼   ► clean the windshield for you so that you

01:47:05 ◼   ► don't get anyone elses ambient grease

01:47:06 ◼   ► and on your windshield well they say it

01:47:08 ◼   ► is detailed so you shouldn't have to do

01:47:10 ◼   ► anything the windshield should be

01:47:11 ◼   ► sparkling clean when you get it yeah but

01:47:14 ◼   ► I just think this is an interesting

01:47:15 ◼   ► thing the first I'd heard of this was

01:47:17 ◼   ► actually with Volvo with the new XC 40

01:47:20 ◼   ► where you kid

01:47:22 ◼   ► you get euro and XZ 40 and you can the

01:47:27 ◼   ► interesting thing about this actually I

01:47:28 ◼   ► could swear I had read that you can do

01:47:30 ◼   ► this all via an app on your phone which

01:47:33 ◼   ► how does that make sense when there's

01:47:34 ◼   ► payment involved it's not it's like

01:47:36 ◼   ► Netflix for cars you just you just

01:47:38 ◼   ► constantly get a bill for $3,700 every

01:47:40 ◼   ► month and that covers all the cost of

01:47:42 ◼   ► you picking whatever vehicle you want

01:47:44 ◼   ► like it more than covers the cost they

01:47:46 ◼   ► just charge you too much yeah but but in

01:47:49 ◼   ► the case of Volvo you know they're

01:47:50 ◼   ► saying what makes care by Volvo unique

01:47:52 ◼   ► which is what they're calling their

01:47:53 ◼   ► subscription Verve the service no down

01:47:55 ◼   ► payment no price negotiation one flat

01:47:57 ◼   ► monthly fee with no surprises includes

01:47:59 ◼   ► premium insurance no matter where you

01:48:00 ◼   ► live maintenance and excess wear

01:48:01 ◼   ► coverage upgrade to new Volvo is in as

01:48:03 ◼   ► little as 12 months subscribe easily

01:48:05 ◼   ► online or via the app and a 15,000 mile

01:48:07 ◼   ► allowance per year like if I was

01:48:09 ◼   ► interested in an XC 40 which that's not

01:48:12 ◼   ► the kind of car that I particularly want

01:48:13 ◼   ► this is a really really cool idea I

01:48:16 ◼   ► don't know how much the Volvo setup

01:48:18 ◼   ► costs and oh there you go starting $600

01:48:20 ◼   ► a month for the base model $700 a month

01:48:23 ◼   ► for their equivalent of the M Sport

01:48:26 ◼   ► which they call our drive or excuse me

01:48:28 ◼   ► our design but the BMW version is you

01:48:30 ◼   ► know many times that and yes I think

01:48:33 ◼   ► it's a cool idea and I kind of like

01:48:37 ◼   ► where this is going the thought of just

01:48:39 ◼   ► paying one monthly fee to have

01:48:40 ◼   ► everything taken care of is really cool

01:48:43 ◼   ► yeah but but there but believe me

01:48:45 ◼   ► they're charging you for like this is

01:48:46 ◼   ► not none of these things are good deals

01:48:49 ◼   ► financially speaking peace of mind wise

01:48:51 ◼   ► you may be appealing to you to say oh

01:48:52 ◼   ► and I just don't have to worry about it

01:48:54 ◼   ► but you are paying not to worry and

01:48:56 ◼   ► you're paying I loves like like for the

01:48:58 ◼   ► the $3,700 a month one for the high one

01:49:00 ◼   ► to get like the M cards like you can

01:49:03 ◼   ► lease an m5 for like $1,000 a month

01:49:07 ◼   ► and insurance on it is gonna be less

01:49:10 ◼   ► than that more it's not gonna be another

01:49:12 ◼   ► thousand a month at least three M fives

01:49:14 ◼   ► and you could just rotate them each day

01:49:15 ◼   ► yeah and another thing is like you see

01:49:18 ◼   ► you just said like oh it wouldn't it be

01:49:19 ◼   ► great if you could just pay a monthly

01:49:20 ◼   ► fee and have written taken care of you

01:49:23 ◼   ► can do that already it's called leasing

01:49:24 ◼   ► that's it already takes care of almost

01:49:27 ◼   ► all well but it doesn't do insurance

01:49:29 ◼   ► like not to say that paying an insurance

01:49:30 ◼   ► bill it does include maintenance and

01:49:32 ◼   ► roadside assistance and you get a

01:49:33 ◼   ► concierge to your house oh I never tell

01:49:35 ◼   ► you about that

01:49:35 ◼   ► it's the same car all the time I mean

01:49:37 ◼   ► this is totally for rich people who are

01:49:38 ◼   ► like Oh today I want to try this car

01:49:39 ◼   ► today I want to obey Him w came out with

01:49:41 ◼   ► a new car is that included in my head

01:49:42 ◼   ► fix for cars sure it is Oh trade this

01:49:45 ◼   ► you know like you really I feel like you

01:49:46 ◼   ► really have to have a lot of time and

01:49:48 ◼   ► also at Casey's point not a lot of junk

01:49:50 ◼   ► in your car to do this kind of rotation

01:49:52 ◼   ► although like I was trying to think of

01:49:53 ◼   ► things in my life that have been like

01:49:55 ◼   ► this that actually have been

01:49:56 ◼   ► ridiculously good deals and I thought of

01:49:59 ◼   ► one which I'm sure this doesn't exist

01:50:01 ◼   ► anymore but someone can write and tell

01:50:02 ◼   ► me when I was kid I went skiing almost

01:50:04 ◼   ► every year and when I was teen I was

01:50:07 ◼   ► wanted to buy fancy new skis for myself

01:50:09 ◼   ► for a huge amount of money and the only

01:50:14 ◼   ► way to know which keys you wanna buy is

01:50:16 ◼   ► to try a bunch of skis kind of like

01:50:17 ◼   ► test-driving

01:50:18 ◼   ► and at the mountain they have they have

01:50:21 ◼   ► demos you could go to the ski shop and

01:50:22 ◼   ► say I want a demo skis and you'd give

01:50:24 ◼   ► them some paltry amount of money I don't

01:50:27 ◼   ► remember it was maybe it was $15 $10 $20

01:50:30 ◼   ► and how much gonna cost yeah exactly but

01:50:35 ◼   ► it was a really seeming small to me then

01:50:38 ◼   ► right and in exchange for that all day

01:50:41 ◼   ► you can go to the ski shop and point to

01:50:43 ◼   ► the $700 in 1990 money ski behind the

01:50:48 ◼   ► counter that you wanted to try and so I

01:50:49 ◼   ► want to try that one and you've given

01:50:50 ◼   ► your ski boot and they would dress the

01:50:52 ◼   ► bindings and say here you go I need to

01:50:53 ◼   ► go up and take a run you come back down

01:50:55 ◼   ► you say alright let me try that one and

01:50:56 ◼   ► you point to the $800 nineteen nineties

01:50:58 ◼   ► money ski over there and they would take

01:51:00 ◼   ► your boot and adjust the bindings and

01:51:01 ◼   ► give it to you you go up and come back

01:51:02 ◼   ► down you can do that all day they change

01:51:05 ◼   ► skis as many times you want no

01:51:07 ◼   ► additional fee each time every time they

01:51:09 ◼   ► would adjust the bindings for your ski

01:51:11 ◼   ► boots on your weight and you would get

01:51:12 ◼   ► to try hundreds and hundreds and

01:51:13 ◼   ► hundreds of dollars of skis in one day

01:51:15 ◼   ► for one flat fee of like ten or fifteen

01:51:18 ◼   ► dollars now granted the lift tickets

01:51:19 ◼   ► were 100 bucks in 1990 money but my

01:51:21 ◼   ► parents were paying for those so I'd

01:51:22 ◼   ► have to worry about it but I just I

01:51:23 ◼   ► remember being amazed that like what a

01:51:27 ◼   ► good deal it was like there was no

01:51:28 ◼   ► equivalent of that it's as if you could

01:51:30 ◼   ► for a fee of like $80 try as many bbws

01:51:35 ◼   ► as you wanted for a week and just every

01:51:36 ◼   ► time you wanted to go back to the dealer

01:51:37 ◼   ► along I'd try that one now and you'd

01:51:39 ◼   ► have to buy anything at the end of it

01:51:40 ◼   ► and I didn't buy anything at the end of

01:51:42 ◼   ► it I tried all these skis on real ski

01:51:43 ◼   ► mountains which is why I found how I

01:51:45 ◼   ► found my beloved Rossignol 7s to be the

01:51:49 ◼   ► ideal ski

01:51:49 ◼   ► me just alone to this day well and like

01:51:52 ◼   ► that actually is you know one possible

01:51:55 ◼   ► reason why somebody could reasonably

01:51:57 ◼   ► want a plan like this is like I mean I

01:52:00 ◼   ► don't know what if they have like

01:52:00 ◼   ► minimum terms but if you could just sign

01:52:02 ◼   ► up for it for one month and like if you

01:52:05 ◼   ► if you wanted to buy one of these cars

01:52:06 ◼   ► but you couldn't decide which one and

01:52:09 ◼   ► you didn't want to make like an

01:52:09 ◼   ► expensive mistake you you know kiss

01:52:12 ◼   ► $2,000 goodbye or whatever and just try

01:52:15 ◼   ► basically having a one-month test-drive

01:52:17 ◼   ► of all these different models and you

01:52:20 ◼   ► could make you decision that way or say

01:52:22 ◼   ► if you were trying to get a car review

01:52:24 ◼   ► channel off the ground on YouTube and

01:52:25 ◼   ► you needed access to a bunch of cars to

01:52:27 ◼   ► review and you can schedule it so you

01:52:29 ◼   ► had all them you could do them all in

01:52:30 ◼   ► one month like imagine being able to

01:52:33 ◼   ► review like seven different cars in one

01:52:35 ◼   ► month because you'd have access to them

01:52:37 ◼   ► I have to pay Casey for that so we can

01:52:39 ◼   ► have as little demurrer ad in the front

01:52:41 ◼   ► and say I got this car courtesy you know

01:52:44 ◼   ► whatever Toyota the like you do a little

01:52:48 ◼   ► ad for them like they pay you this is

01:52:50 ◼   ► why I'm not a youtube car journalist

01:52:51 ◼   ► yeah well neither am i these days

01:52:53 ◼   ► apparently Porsche also has one called

01:52:55 ◼   ► Porsche passport which is so related so

01:52:57 ◼   ► you could try all two of their cars they

01:53:00 ◼   ► have so many SUVs and Plus up some other

01:53:03 ◼   ► cars in any case I just think it's a

01:53:04 ◼   ► very cool idea I don't I don't know that

01:53:06 ◼   ► it's gonna work for most people not the

01:53:08 ◼   ► least of which because it's obscene

01:53:10 ◼   ► amount of money but like you guys were

01:53:12 ◼   ► saying this is trading money in favor of

01:53:15 ◼   ► convenience and you know to your point

01:53:17 ◼   ► Marko if you're gonna go this route like

01:53:20 ◼   ► there's an argument that leasing would

01:53:22 ◼   ► be just as good or almost as good you

01:53:26 ◼   ► don't get a guaranteed one-year upgrade

01:53:28 ◼   ► in a lease or most leases anyway like

01:53:31 ◼   ► you would within in the case of the

01:53:32 ◼   ► Volvo one and you don't get access to

01:53:34 ◼   ► many cars in a lease like you can and

01:53:37 ◼   ► this BMW or Porsche ones but I do think

01:53:40 ◼   ► it's a cool idea and if you have more

01:53:42 ◼   ► money than sense I mean the good thing

01:53:45 ◼   ► is like this makes leasing look pretty

01:53:46 ◼   ► reasonable by comparison like I'm like

01:53:49 ◼   ► leasing like yeah like you don't get a

01:53:51 ◼   ► you don't get every years new model but

01:53:53 ◼   ► most cars like every year is a really

01:53:56 ◼   ► minor update like in most cars they only

01:53:58 ◼   ► change in substantial ways every you

01:54:01 ◼   ► know three to five years so

01:54:03 ◼   ► you know you don't need to get every

01:54:05 ◼   ► single year and you know while I would

01:54:07 ◼   ► miss the year while you would miss the

01:54:10 ◼   ► concierge with your blood cloth I think

01:54:13 ◼   ► there's a pretty good argument to be

01:54:15 ◼   ► made that like the parts of this that

01:54:17 ◼   ► are appealing to you right now in theory

01:54:19 ◼   ► are really directly saying like you're

01:54:22 ◼   ► ready for a lease that's what this means

01:54:24 ◼   ► like you are so ready for release

01:54:26 ◼   ► because you're like oh I can just pay a

01:54:28 ◼   ► flat monthly fee and then like

01:54:31 ◼   ► maintenance is included yes terribly

01:54:34 ◼   ► used to do that and you don't have to

01:54:37 ◼   ► worry about upgrades down the road yes

01:54:39 ◼   ► yes exactly you can do it now like I can

01:54:44 ◼   ► offer you a wonderful deal where I will

01:54:46 ◼   ► offer you most of this service for a

01:54:49 ◼   ► quarter of the price and you don't even

01:54:51 ◼   ► have to be in Nashville oh that's great

01:54:53 ◼   ► man reason I think of leasing is not for

01:54:55 ◼   ► caseous because it will force him to

01:54:57 ◼   ► make a new car buying decision every

01:54:59 ◼   ► three months and I don't think the show

01:55:00 ◼   ► can handle that yeah even every three

01:55:03 ◼   ► years that's true if people just made

01:55:05 ◼   ► cars I wanted to buy it would be so much

01:55:06 ◼   ► easier

01:55:07 ◼   ► like just make make the model three have

01:55:09 ◼   ► an actual dashboard make the model s not

01:55:11 ◼   ► a bazillion dollars make BMWs that don't

01:55:13 ◼   ► break any of these would be reasonable

01:55:15 ◼   ► options make a Golf R with a sunroof but

01:55:18 ◼   ► here's the thing if you lease if you

01:55:20 ◼   ► start a three-year lease today what

01:55:22 ◼   ► you're doing is just kicking that can

01:55:24 ◼   ► down the road for three years yes so

01:55:25 ◼   ► that's great you can say no but you can

01:55:27 ◼   ► say like you know what I would rather

01:55:28 ◼   ► not think about this for the next three

01:55:30 ◼   ► years I'll get back to it then it's like

01:55:32 ◼   ► snoozing your car angst like he just

01:55:34 ◼   ► snooze it for three years and you know

01:55:37 ◼   ► remind me in three years to revisit the

01:55:39 ◼   ► my car craziness in the meantime I will

01:55:42 ◼   ► happily drive this thing that's being

01:55:43 ◼   ► taken care of by the lease plan and I

01:55:46 ◼   ► don't have to worry about his

01:55:47 ◼   ► maintenance costs and the thing could be

01:55:48 ◼   ► like an m3 or something Casey's just

01:55:50 ◼   ► waiting for BMW to have a roundtable

01:55:53 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:55:55 ◼   ► manual transmission reliable cars but I

01:55:58 ◼   ► don't think that's in your future no I

01:56:00 ◼   ► don't think so

01:56:00 ◼   ► don't think so

00:00:00 ◼   ► also my throat's burning from all the

00:00:01 ◼   ► ginger I put in my lemon ginger honey

00:00:02 ◼   ► things too much normally I just minced

00:00:06 ◼   ► the ginger but this time I decided to to

00:00:08 ◼   ► put a ginger and hot water solution in

00:00:10 ◼   ► my blender and really puree the crap out

00:00:12 ◼   ► of those really in there and Wow is it

00:00:15 ◼   ► stronger that way using chemical weapons

00:00:17 ◼   ► on yourself next Marco pepper sprays his

00:00:21 ◼   ► throat yeah and then of course all the

00:00:24 ◼   ► ginger like particles sank to the bottom

00:00:26 ◼   ► of the cup so the whole time I was

00:00:28 ◼   ► drinking it wasn't too bad but now I

00:00:30 ◼   ► mean now at the bottom and now it's

00:00:31 ◼   ► every sip is like fire mmm you just need

00:00:35 ◼   ► to get crystallized ginger so you slowly

00:00:36 ◼   ► the crystals did you know that ginger

00:00:41 ◼   ► tea is almost always BS like if you try

00:00:43 ◼   ► to get like just like bad ginger tea so

00:00:46 ◼   ► it's all dried every single one time

00:00:48 ◼   ► I've ever seen includes is one of the

00:00:50 ◼   ► ingredients black pepper

00:00:52 ◼   ► that's why is that BS because you don't

00:00:55 ◼   ► like black pepper because they're trying

00:00:57 ◼   ► to make it feel like fresh ginger with

00:00:59 ◼   ► the burn in the back of your throat by

00:01:01 ◼   ► making you drink black pepper basically

00:01:03 ◼   ► ginger fresh ginger gives you a burn in

00:01:06 ◼   ► the back of your I guess I don't need

00:01:07 ◼   ► enough fresh ginger to know i mean i

00:01:09 ◼   ► gender is spicy it's like there's like a

00:01:11 ◼   ► spice to it but when you dry it out and

00:01:13 ◼   ► and you know make dry teabags with it

00:01:15 ◼   ► you lose that and so to make you think

00:01:18 ◼   ► you're tasting more fresh ginger than

00:01:19 ◼   ► you are they add black pepper to ginger

00:01:22 ◼   ► tea bags to remind you of the burn that

00:01:25 ◼   ► you get with fresh ginger but it's you

00:01:27 ◼   ► know it's it's like engine noises it's

00:01:28 ◼   ► like it's totally fake when do you eat

00:01:30 ◼   ► fresh ginger other than this thing that

00:01:31 ◼   ► you're doing to yourself because you're

00:01:32 ◼   ► sick I'm not sick I use enjoy this okay

00:01:35 ◼   ► yes it's fresh but then you chop it up

00:01:37 ◼   ► and then you cook it you make it hot in

00:01:39 ◼   ► some kind of pain about the ginger that

00:01:41 ◼   ► comes with sushi

00:01:41 ◼   ► that's pickled ah okay and I don't eat

00:01:44 ◼   ► sushi

00:01:45 ◼   ► have you tried it mMmmm neither do I I

00:01:50 ◼   ► finally so my problem is I don't like

00:01:52 ◼   ► fish and I'm allergic to avocado try to

00:01:55 ◼   ► find anything at a sushi restaurant that

00:01:58 ◼   ► contains neither of those things

00:01:59 ◼   ► but anyway I'm eating fresh ginger right

00:02:02 ◼   ► now in this drink it's really good but a

00:02:04 ◼   ► little Bernie but a little Bernie yeah

00:02:07 ◼   ► cuz I'm making my own ginger tea because

00:02:09 ◼   ► actual user tea is bullshit

00:02:10 ◼   ► just because it contains pepper like I'm

00:02:12 ◼   ► not convinced people just are like that

00:02:14 ◼   ► - pepper you think it's it's you think

00:02:16 ◼   ► it's ginger fakery but maybe it's just

00:02:17 ◼   ► it's positive peppering if they if

00:02:21 ◼   ► that's the reason they added it they

00:02:22 ◼   ► would put pepper on the label they was

00:02:24 ◼   ► advertised as ginger pepper tea is zero

00:02:27 ◼   ► of them do this little put salt on the

00:02:30 ◼   ► labels they're solvent

00:02:31 ◼   ► no actually I don't think so let's do

00:02:37 ◼   ► follow-up Peter Kendall writes that he

00:02:39 ◼   ► loves that Marco you purchased an

00:02:41 ◼   ► walkie-talkies for your road trip since

00:02:43 ◼   ► he is an amateur or ham radio operator

00:02:45 ◼   ► and he is glad that they worked well

00:02:47 ◼   ► Peter continues well walkie-talkies

00:02:49 ◼   ► don't have the best range once one

00:02:51 ◼   ► passes an amateur radio exam that you

00:02:53 ◼   ► can get access to much more powerful

00:02:54 ◼   ► radios for example one can get these

00:02:55 ◼   ► mobile radios that pump out 50 watts and

00:02:59 ◼   ► are powered by the 12-volt battery in

00:03:01 ◼   ► your car and to have a detachable head

00:03:02 ◼   ► unit to put on your dash there are other

00:03:04 ◼   ► shapes and sizes as well including

00:03:06 ◼   ► smaller ones that are basically

00:03:06 ◼   ► glorified walkie talkies but more

00:03:08 ◼   ► powerful holy monkey 50 watts is yeah I

00:03:11 ◼   ► don't know anything and I know that's

00:03:12 ◼   ► significant yeah I mean for reference

00:03:14 ◼   ► the walkie talkies maxed out at two

00:03:16 ◼   ► watts and you only get the two watts if

00:03:19 ◼   ► you go on your only legally supposed to

00:03:21 ◼   ► use the the two want versions if you go

00:03:24 ◼   ► to the FCC's website and register for a

00:03:26 ◼   ► GM RS license which I actually did and I

00:03:30 ◼   ► didn't want to get in trouble for using

00:03:32 ◼   ► the tool on channels and I did it

00:03:33 ◼   ► because it was really easy and

00:03:34 ◼   ► inexpensive to do it going all the way

00:03:37 ◼   ► for a full ham radio license is

00:03:39 ◼   ► considerably more involved and I didn't

00:03:42 ◼   ► think it was necessary to communicate

00:03:44 ◼   ► between two vehicles that were usually

00:03:47 ◼   ► at most a few hundred feet apart so it

00:03:50 ◼   ► wasn't necessary for this use case but

00:03:52 ◼   ► ham radio is one of those things like

00:03:54 ◼   ► that there's a lot of overlap between

00:03:55 ◼   ► ham radio and nerd culture and I respect

00:03:59 ◼   ► a lot of it but I don't know that much

00:04:00 ◼   ► about it but ultimately I've never had

00:04:02 ◼   ► much of a reason to get into it because

00:04:05 ◼   ► the the broadcast nature of that hobby

00:04:09 ◼   ► for me I've solved with odd casting and

00:04:10 ◼   ► the like short range communication

00:04:12 ◼   ► nature I've never really had a need

00:04:14 ◼   ► until now and walkie talkies served my

00:04:18 ◼   ► needs perfectly well I put this in here

00:04:20 ◼   ► because I feel like it fits well with

00:04:22 ◼   ► Marcos vinyl revival and

00:04:25 ◼   ► I stopped not that he's gonna be into it

00:04:28 ◼   ► now but maybe this is like the ghost of

00:04:30 ◼   ► Marco future when he wants another tech

00:04:32 ◼   ► thing to get into her maybe find himself

00:04:34 ◼   ► traveling to upstate a lot maybe retires

00:04:35 ◼   ► to upstate and needs to have

00:04:37 ◼   ► walkie-talkies seeing Marco take an

00:04:40 ◼   ► amateur radio exam to get a license for

00:04:42 ◼   ► a more powerful radio is a thing that

00:04:44 ◼   ► seems plausible to me so just put a

00:04:46 ◼   ► marker here come back in 20 years there

00:04:48 ◼   ► is no way I would ever be allowed to put

00:04:50 ◼   ► a giant antenna in my yard once you have

00:04:52 ◼   ► your giant compound upstate you have

00:04:54 ◼   ► plenty of land for that there's some

00:04:58 ◼   ► sort of ham joke here that I just can't

00:05:00 ◼   ► put my finger on I'm more of a brisket

00:05:03 ◼   ► person now that's not that that's not

00:05:05 ◼   ► the ham I was going for but I'll allow

00:05:06 ◼   ► it as long as some one of us got one in

00:05:08 ◼   ► I'm good all right Eduardo ponts writes

00:05:10 ◼   ► if anyone's wondering whether the new

00:05:12 ◼   ► onboarding screens on iOS 11.3 we're all

00:05:14 ◼   ► about gdpr

00:05:15 ◼   ► wonder no more and they include a link

00:05:19 ◼   ► to the photograph of their Apple TV

00:05:21 ◼   ► where there are clearly some string what

00:05:26 ◼   ► would you call these I don't like

00:05:27 ◼   ► placeholders their localization

00:05:28 ◼   ► identifiers basically like like when so

00:05:31 ◼   ► when you're when you're writing an app

00:05:32 ◼   ► that's supposed to be localized to

00:05:33 ◼   ► different languages you usually wrap the

00:05:36 ◼   ► string calls in some kind of

00:05:38 ◼   ► localization layer like NS localized

00:05:40 ◼   ► string or something like that and so the

00:05:41 ◼   ► idea is you you don't just hard code the

00:05:45 ◼   ► language strings are going to be shown

00:05:47 ◼   ► to the user in like the source code you

00:05:49 ◼   ► have some kind of resource file that is

00:05:51 ◼   ► a strings file and then you can localize

00:05:53 ◼   ► the strings file that's just like a list

00:05:55 ◼   ► of all the strings that would be

00:05:56 ◼   ► displayed to a user you can have that

00:05:58 ◼   ► localized by translators and then you

00:06:00 ◼   ► could have a whole bundle of those

00:06:01 ◼   ► things in your app and you can have

00:06:03 ◼   ► different ones show for different

00:06:04 ◼   ► language and locale settings and your

00:06:06 ◼   ► app simply instead of saying like ask

00:06:08 ◼   ► the user are you sure the app says give

00:06:11 ◼   ► me the string for the are you short

00:06:12 ◼   ► dialogue on this page so it might have

00:06:14 ◼   ► some kind of identifier for that some

00:06:16 ◼   ► kind of like you know are you sure dot

00:06:18 ◼   ► identifiers are dot set up dot one or

00:06:19 ◼   ► something like that and so what we see

00:06:22 ◼   ► here is there was some kind of problem

00:06:24 ◼   ► or some kind of bug or something where

00:06:26 ◼   ► the string didn't load and instead it

00:06:29 ◼   ► just showed the identifier and it has

00:06:31 ◼   ► GDP are in the identifiers in the name

00:06:33 ◼   ► of the identifiers for the for the text

00:06:35 ◼   ► of this dialog for these boxes so

00:06:37 ◼   ► clearly Apple

00:06:39 ◼   ► considers these GDP our dialogues right

00:06:41 ◼   ► so like a couple samples a TV for Apple

00:06:43 ◼   ► TV videos GDP our welcome to movies or a

00:06:47 ◼   ► TV videos GDP our continue button label

00:06:49 ◼   ► so yeah it was funny to me because I was

00:06:53 ◼   ► pretty darn confident that this was this

00:06:57 ◼   ► boiled down to GDP our and man there

00:06:59 ◼   ► were not a lot of people who disagreed

00:07:01 ◼   ► but who boy to the people who disagree

00:07:03 ◼   ► they were very confident that we were

00:07:06 ◼   ► wrong and guess what told you so

00:07:07 ◼   ► moving on oh man I did not think to

00:07:11 ◼   ► figure out how to pronounce this say

00:07:14 ◼   ► Liam kellian mr. or mrs. Babcock who

00:07:17 ◼   ► writes in of Dell with technology at the

00:07:20 ◼   ► high school and elementary levels when

00:07:22 ◼   ► it comes to cost and collaboration

00:07:23 ◼   ► features Google wins since that device

00:07:25 ◼   ► is configured and lockdown iOS doesn't

00:07:27 ◼   ► count much as for video editing it

00:07:29 ◼   ► sounds cool but it's a huge time sink I

00:07:31 ◼   ► didn't add this who did what are you

00:07:33 ◼   ► what are we trying to say here I just

00:07:34 ◼   ► put a little bit of etu feedback we got

00:07:36 ◼   ► a lot of people replying so I just want

00:07:39 ◼   ► to have a few samples to sort of cover

00:07:40 ◼   ► the range that's what the next few items

00:07:41 ◼   ► are about fair enough Andrew link writes

00:07:44 ◼   ► creativity is the peak of learning but

00:07:47 ◼   ► 40% of the time I'm dealing with quote

00:07:49 ◼   ► unquote classroom management and 50% is

00:07:51 ◼   ► trying to even get students to reach the

00:07:53 ◼   ► baseline there's a broad or there

00:07:55 ◼   ► they're abroad family and cultural

00:07:57 ◼   ► issues to address before tech really

00:07:59 ◼   ► matters

00:08:00 ◼   ► Andrews school or whatever is

00:08:03 ◼   ► implementing Google suite over the next

00:08:04 ◼   ► two years it's a mixed bag the

00:08:05 ◼   ► software's okay that our kid is slowing

00:08:07 ◼   ► everything to a crawl also tween

00:08:10 ◼   ► memories and Google level secure

00:08:12 ◼   ► passwords are painful mix in other words

00:08:14 ◼   ► everyone's always forgetting their

00:08:15 ◼   ► passwords did one of your kids have that

00:08:16 ◼   ► happen to them not me no not me my kid

00:08:20 ◼   ► has good password hygiene I don't even

00:08:22 ◼   ► know if you're serious or not scared to

00:08:25 ◼   ► bits here is that we are people who are

00:08:29 ◼   ► actually in education writing to us and

00:08:32 ◼   ► maybe not all of them

00:08:33 ◼   ► but no matter what it was these people

00:08:35 ◼   ► were using everyone had complaints right

00:08:38 ◼   ► so it's not complaints about the thing

00:08:40 ◼   ► they're not using complaints about the

00:08:41 ◼   ► thing they are using complaints about

00:08:43 ◼   ► the difficulty of the job about the

00:08:45 ◼   ► difficulty of dealing with technology

00:08:46 ◼   ► and no matter what it was they were

00:08:47 ◼   ► using if they were all Apple if they

00:08:49 ◼   ► were all googles they were mix that

00:08:51 ◼   ► everything had problem we know this

00:08:52 ◼   ► Varitek podcast we complain about

00:08:54 ◼   ► technology and we know the frustration

00:08:56 ◼   ► is that most people who aren't tech

00:08:58 ◼   ► enthusiasts feel about technology like

00:09:00 ◼   ► this is frustrated when it doesn't work

00:09:01 ◼   ► especially if it's you're supposed to be

00:09:02 ◼   ► using as part of your job so not not a

00:09:06 ◼   ► lot of feedback was like here's what we

00:09:08 ◼   ► use and we love it and it's awesome

00:09:10 ◼   ► awesome some people like one thing

00:09:11 ◼   ► better than the other one said I'm so

00:09:13 ◼   ► glad I have X it's better than Y but

00:09:15 ◼   ► they all had complaints about whatever

00:09:16 ◼   ► it was they were using so no silver

00:09:19 ◼   ► bullet for our tech in schools and I

00:09:21 ◼   ► particularly like the idea of like that

00:09:23 ◼   ► creativity is the peak of learning sort

00:09:25 ◼   ► of like a pyramid of like you know what

00:09:27 ◼   ► was that uh

00:09:28 ◼   ► said Maslow's hierarchy of needs if

00:09:31 ◼   ► somebody has a hierarchy of need not

00:09:32 ◼   ► sloth yeah it's like you know safety and

00:09:35 ◼   ► bubble and very at the top of like

00:09:37 ◼   ► self-actualization or whatever and so

00:09:39 ◼   ► it's like in the classroom get the kids

00:09:42 ◼   ► to show up get them to be safe get you

00:09:46 ◼   ► know get them to pay attention get them

00:09:48 ◼   ► to absorb something like and creativity

00:09:50 ◼   ► is like when you get all that other

00:09:52 ◼   ► stuff taken care of and then finally

00:09:53 ◼   ► they're allowed to to blossom and that

00:09:55 ◼   ► that's the aspirational nature of what

00:09:57 ◼   ► Apple is pitching that by buying our

00:10:00 ◼   ► products they will enhance the the peak

00:10:03 ◼   ► of learning but you have to get to that

00:10:05 ◼   ► peak first yeah you know you have to

00:10:07 ◼   ► have the students in the seats paying

00:10:10 ◼   ► attention absorbing the material and

00:10:11 ◼   ► then sprout you know spreading their

00:10:14 ◼   ► wings and being creative with the things

00:10:16 ◼   ► that you've successfully taught them it

00:10:18 ◼   ► was interesting to me that um I felt

00:10:20 ◼   ► like a lot of the feedback we got about

00:10:22 ◼   ► education was very contradictory

00:10:24 ◼   ► you know somebody would say oh of course

00:10:25 ◼   ► you would want an iPad the total cost of

00:10:27 ◼   ► ownership is so much better oh you could

00:10:29 ◼   ► never get an iPad the total cost is so

00:10:31 ◼   ► much worse it was very it was very in

00:10:34 ◼   ► and yang and it made me laugh oh yeah

00:10:37 ◼   ► one more thing I didn't put anybody's

00:10:39 ◼   ► feedback and I should have but the idea

00:10:41 ◼   ► of Apple devices or whatever device is

00:10:44 ◼   ► being expensive and then only being

00:10:45 ◼   ► available in the quote-unquote rich

00:10:47 ◼   ► schools lots of people were all right

00:10:49 ◼   ► there seems to be like a disconnect

00:10:50 ◼   ► between the students that attend the

00:10:53 ◼   ► schools and attack space that

00:10:55 ◼   ► potentially feeds into them because a

00:10:56 ◼   ► lot of people are like you know we have

00:10:58 ◼   ► iPads in our school and our it's we're

00:11:00 ◼   ► not in a wealthy area right and so it's

00:11:03 ◼   ► like it doesn't mean necessarily the

00:11:06 ◼   ► students who go to the school are

00:11:09 ◼   ► well-to-do but it seems in some areas

00:11:12 ◼   ► more than others money somehow is

00:11:15 ◼   ► getting to these schools that is not

00:11:17 ◼   ► directly attributable to the incomes of

00:11:20 ◼   ► the individual students who are

00:11:21 ◼   ► attending and I think that's just the

00:11:23 ◼   ► nature of tax spaces it depends on where

00:11:24 ◼   ► you live it depends on how your taxes

00:11:26 ◼   ► are distributed it depends on if there's

00:11:30 ◼   ► some other program that's feeding money

00:11:32 ◼   ► into the school to buy the fancy iPads

00:11:34 ◼   ► for the school that otherwise is not

00:11:36 ◼   ► awash in cash I mean that I can tell you

00:11:41 ◼   ► the opposite here where where I live

00:11:43 ◼   ► it's filled with rich people and yet a

00:11:46 ◼   ► lot of the technology in the schools too

00:11:48 ◼   ► my kids attend especially elementary

00:11:50 ◼   ► school is entirely funded directly by

00:11:52 ◼   ► the parents as in there is no money in

00:11:55 ◼   ► the school budget for technology

00:11:56 ◼   ► whatsoever and the only reason there's

00:11:58 ◼   ► any technology is because all the kids

00:12:00 ◼   ► parents are rich and give directly money

00:12:02 ◼   ► to buy like if you want to see any

00:12:04 ◼   ► computers in your kids school you're

00:12:06 ◼   ► gonna have to collect money and give

00:12:08 ◼   ► them to us right and is it because the

00:12:12 ◼   ► tax base is a big enough here no I can't

00:12:14 ◼   ► possibly be it it's just a question of

00:12:16 ◼   ► budgeting and how much money goes

00:12:17 ◼   ► towards elementary and how much priority

00:12:19 ◼   ► they put on putting technology in school

00:12:23 ◼   ► versus you know tearing down one a local

00:12:26 ◼   ► elementary school and rebuilding it to

00:12:28 ◼   ► be this Taj Mahal multi-million dollar

00:12:30 ◼   ► amazing piece of construction right that

00:12:34 ◼   ► costs a lot more money than iPads and

00:12:36 ◼   ► that was not funded by people's parents

00:12:38 ◼   ► with direct contributions but with good

00:12:39 ◼   ► old-fashioned taxes and bonds would one

00:12:43 ◼   ► of you like to tell me about what

00:12:44 ◼   ► happens when you open a new document in

00:12:46 ◼   ► pages I think there is a video of it

00:12:49 ◼   ► this is related to our topic for like

00:12:50 ◼   ► how do you how do you how do people find

00:12:53 ◼   ► help in iOS apps when the screen is so

00:12:55 ◼   ► small how do you communicate the

00:12:57 ◼   ► features of your application so people

00:13:00 ◼   ► know when it launches what you can do

00:13:01 ◼   ► with it begin because the screen is so

00:13:03 ◼   ► small and there's no I'm the president

00:13:05 ◼   ► menu bar with a help menu and we were we

00:13:09 ◼   ► talked about the bad ways you can do

00:13:10 ◼   ► this by circling a bunch of stuff on the

00:13:11 ◼   ► screen and throwing a bunch of words at

00:13:13 ◼   ► people's faces putting it pointing a

00:13:15 ◼   ► finger and said this

00:13:16 ◼   ► this thing to do this tap that thing to

00:13:17 ◼   ► do that tap that thing I'm expecting

00:13:19 ◼   ► them to memorize at the one time they

00:13:20 ◼   ► see it

00:13:21 ◼   ► so there's Benjamin Mayo tweeted a

00:13:22 ◼   ► little video of what happens and I'm

00:13:26 ◼   ► assuming this is a new version of pages

00:13:28 ◼   ► on iOS so they have you know what you do

00:13:32 ◼   ► have visible in many iOS applications is

00:13:33 ◼   ► a toolbar with some glyphs on it some

00:13:36 ◼   ► kind I conjure glyphs either whether

00:13:37 ◼   ► it's the top or at the bottom and in

00:13:40 ◼   ► pages this looks like on a phone you

00:13:42 ◼   ► launch it and the new collaboration

00:13:45 ◼   ► glyph pulses like if it gets a little

00:13:47 ◼   ► bigger and smaller I don't know if it

00:13:48 ◼   ► ever stops pulsing cuz in the video we

00:13:50 ◼   ► tap sit right away right but if you tap

00:13:53 ◼   ► it it takes you to this little video

00:13:55 ◼   ► that shows you like oh the collaborate

00:13:57 ◼   ► feature and it sort of does this

00:13:58 ◼   ► wordless animation showing you how

00:14:01 ◼   ► collaboration might work it's pretty

00:14:02 ◼   ► good animation that communicates without

00:14:04 ◼   ► too much text kind of what collaboration

00:14:08 ◼   ► does it has a brief explanation but then

00:14:11 ◼   ► shows you a bunch of thing I don't know

00:14:12 ◼   ► it I think you kind of already have to

00:14:14 ◼   ► know how collaboration works to

00:14:15 ◼   ► understand what a video frankly but

00:14:17 ◼   ► that's I mean I don't know if I like

00:14:21 ◼   ► that better than the overlay but I guess

00:14:23 ◼   ► it's certainly trying to be more subtle

00:14:25 ◼   ► I just can imagine people launching the

00:14:27 ◼   ► app and going why's that button pulsing

00:14:29 ◼   ► especially if it doesn't stop or if it

00:14:30 ◼   ► does stop you might think you're you

00:14:32 ◼   ► know going a little bit mad that like I

00:14:34 ◼   ► could swear last time I launched his

00:14:36 ◼   ► application part of the toolbar was

00:14:37 ◼   ► pulsing sure I wasn't under cold

00:14:41 ◼   ► medicine or anything anyways I just

00:14:43 ◼   ► thought it was interesting

00:14:44 ◼   ► here's Apple trying alternate solutions

00:14:48 ◼   ► to scribbling over screen with a bunch

00:14:50 ◼   ► of arrows so keep trying Apple we are

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