The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► they're not selling the a leaven chip to

◼   ► other cell phone makers this is not a

◼   ► thing they do and we just assume if they

◼   ► were going to make chips for the Mac's

◼   ► they also wouldn't say oh this is our

◼   ► new business now by the way we're

◼   ► selling chips to everybody in the

◼   ► industry and what that would mean is

◼   ► that max would have CPUs that are not

◼   ► the same as the CPUs that are running in

◼   ► other things in the industry and what so

◼   ► what is that who cares well it was it

◼   ► matter or don't we just care if we have

◼   ► a nice CPU and iMac well right now we

◼   ► are in a a I know what you'd call it a

◼   ► Golden Age used to be a golden age now

◼   ► it's not quite golden now it's more of

◼   ► like a tarnished brass age anyway we're

◼   ► where max use the same CPUs that are

◼   ► also used in the servers further we run

◼   ► server-side software in which means that

◼   ► if you're writing server-side software

◼   ► and using the Mac as your dev

◼   ► environment you can run VMs and you can

◼   ► run docker and you can do all sorts of

◼   ► things and run the same software that's

◼   ► running on your server locally on your

◼   ► Mac because they're both x86 64 CPUs

◼   ► right and to a lesser extent you can

◼   ► also run Windows stuff because render

◼   ► ones the next 86 thinker on Windows in

◼   ► virtualization and high-speed so it's

◼   ► over line and those are real advantages

◼   ► for certain constituencies of pro Mac

◼   ► users who use the the Mac as like a

◼   ► development platform for writing

◼   ► server-side software and maybe just

◼   ► because I'm in that world that I see it

◼   ► a lot but I have been shocked over the

◼   ► course of my career how prevalent Mac's

◼   ► have become for people who essentially

◼   ► you know not know who pejoratively used

◼   ► them as glorified terminals right I

◼   ► don't think that's really true because

◼   ► lots of people do local development like

◼   ► they will you know they will run docker

◼   ► on their Mac they will run you know a

◼   ► VirtualBox on their Mac or whatever and

◼   ► they will use software and binaries that

◼   ► run on the server they will run them on

◼   ► their Mac alright and so they're not

◼   ► just using this glorified terminal but

◼   ► actually doing local development that is

◼   ► one class of software developer these

◼   ► server-side software developers so if

◼   ► Apple makes a CPU transition the Mac as

◼   ► a server-side software dev platform

◼   ► becomes far less attractive because

◼   ► apples not going to sell those CPUs to

◼   ► run on the server and now it could be if

◼   ► they just use the same instruction set

◼   ► and somehow armed on the server becomes

◼   ► a thing lots of companies have been

◼   ► trying to make armor and the server

◼   ► birthing for a long time hasn't quite

◼   ► happened but if Apple's not gonna make

◼   ► it happen and no one else makes it

◼   ► happen and Intel continues to endure

◼   ► even AMD continue to dominate the server

◼   ► space with x86 64

◼   ► it makes the Mac Mac less attractive to

◼   ► in one particular area and same thing

◼   ► for Windows I'm just picking this

◼   ► example but if you rely on the ability

◼   ► to run Windows virtualized Windows at

◼   ► full speed as part of some important

◼   ► business that you do let's use a Mac

◼   ► when previously you couldn't because you

◼   ► can also run a Windows on it I know when

◼   ► those is ported to arm as well right but

◼   ► it really just depends on do people

◼   ► portal or Windows software arm do they

◼   ► recompile it for arm do most pcs sold

◼   ► become arm

◼   ► ideally whatever transition Apple makes

◼   ► the whole rest of the industry would

◼   ► also make pcs servers everything whether

◼   ► or not Apple helps them naked I think

◼   ► Apple will not help them make it so the

◼   ► only way we can get maintain the golden

◼   ► age where everything runs on the same

◼   ► platform is if the rest of the industry

◼   ► also transitions more or less at the

◼   ► same time without any of Apple's help

◼   ► which seems unlikely to me so that would

◼   ► make me slightly more sad and I think it

◼   ► would make the app the Mac slightly less

◼   ► desirable or even viable for certain Pro

◼   ► applications everything else that the

◼   ► Mac normally does no one cares you can

◼   ► develop Mac software on it you could run

◼   ► all your applications you can browse the

◼   ► web so it's probably not that big of a

◼   ► deal but it is the one angle that I have

◼   ► found myself pondering you know if I'm

◼   ► able to bring myself to believe that

◼   ► they're really gonna do this actually be

◼   ► like how would it change my experience

◼   ► of Mac's you know what would it and I'd

◼   ► even get into you know playing Windows

◼   ► games with our guess who cares that's

◼   ► really small but I look around my big

◼   ► company full of hundreds of developers

◼   ► and how many Mac's I see and everything

◼   ► they're doing with them and think what

◼   ► if that Mac was armed but all of our

◼   ► servers were still x86 how would that

◼   ► change how viable the Mac is for you and

◼   ► I think it would be would be worse so

◼   ► that's one more thing for me to not look

◼   ► forward to on the flip side of that is

◼   ► what Mark was talking about how awesome

◼   ► would be

◼   ► Thompson I frankly I think how awesome

◼   ► it would be on the Mac Pro I would love

◼   ► to see a massive multi-core apple design

◼   ► ARM processor that outperforms a Xeon

◼   ► with less power I would love that and I

◼   ► think it's 100% possible maybe on

◼   ► Apple's second or third try and help

◼   ► maybe on their first try those people

◼   ► are really smart but there are some

◼   ► things I would miss one other thing to

◼   ► think about is like you know we're

◼   ► assuming that you know if Apple does

◼   ► this transition that the processor is

◼   ► being in their hands would be a good

◼   ► thing and that they would outperform or

◼   ► they would match or I perform what Intel

◼   ► is doing and the assumption in that is

◼   ► that they will always or at least for a

◼   ► long time

◼   ► outperform what the rest of the PC

◼   ► industry is doing but that might not

◼   ► hold like it might be what if they can

◼   ► put this transition and then they find

◼   ► themselves actually not doing as well as

◼   ► the PC industry or not caring as much

◼   ► about the processors of developing for

◼   ► the Mac and therefore like you know

◼   ► today we have the issue of you know it

◼   ► doesn't see them I take care as much

◼   ► about the Mac but as they do about iOS

◼   ► so you know they have like these product

◼   ► lines that just sit around forever when

◼   ► at when Intel does make a new generation

◼   ► of processor it's not that much work to

◼   ► create to update these new product lines

◼   ► to use that new component it's way less

◼   ► engineering resources to take Intel's

◼   ► newest chip and stick it in the Mac you

◼   ► already have designed than it is to

◼   ► design the next version of the you know

◼   ► a10 you know quadruple x whatever

◼   ► whatever it is that would be like you

◼   ► know the high-performance version of

◼   ► this this year's a series processor it's

◼   ► very possible that could backfire on us

◼   ► like it could be that Apple takes it

◼   ► over then down the road decides the Mac

◼   ► is not that you know important to them

◼   ► which wouldn't be unheard of because

◼   ► that's already how it's been and then

◼   ► they just never update those chips for

◼   ► those compute for the Mac and because as

◼   ► John's like because they're not selling

◼   ► these chips outside of Apple which I can

◼   ► never see them doing there would be no

◼   ► other pressure for them to keep those

◼   ► chips updated so they actually might

◼   ► make them like it would basically raise

◼   ► the car

◼   ► of updating the Mack line to keep pace

◼   ► with the latest and greatest hardware

◼   ► and I think the last thing Apple he

◼   ► heats us for that cost to be raised

◼   ► because right now they already seem to

◼   ► have a lot of trouble justifying

◼   ► investment in the Mac so if it's more

◼   ► expensive to update the Mac to you know

◼   ► update Mac hardware to the latest

◼   ► generation of whatever that actually

◼   ► could really backfire quite badly on us

◼   ► and we that could result in even less

◼   ► attention even fewer updates even less

◼   ► competitive performance to what the rest

◼   ► of industry is doing it's like the the

◼   ► trashcan Mac Pro we were like oh why

◼   ► isn't Apple updated to use the latest

◼   ► Zeon's we'll imagine there were no

◼   ► latest eons and I would say we're using

◼   ► the highest performance yes a whatever

◼   ► processes are available it's like yeah

◼   ► but well you got me there I mean they

◼   ► are you just haven't made another one so

◼   ► technically it is still using the

◼   ► fastest one Yeah right like you get the

◼   ► good and the bad with like bringing this

◼   ► stuff in-house to Apple you get probably

◼   ► pretty good performance and power

◼   ► efficiency gains but at the cost of now

◼   ► you're at the wins of Apple and Apple is

◼   ► you know fickle and in in many areas

◼   ► unreliable and you know this you would

◼   ► be at the whims of whatever they felt

◼   ► worth doing even more than you are now

◼   ► because the cost of keeping the things

◼   ► updated would be higher to them that's

◼   ► worth mentioning the other angle that a

◼   ► lot of people are talking about mostly

◼   ► because this Bloomberg article is so

◼   ► careful not to say anything definitive

◼   ► about anything they're like well you

◼   ► know that Bloomberg girl doesn't

◼   ► actually say arm anywhere they're just

◼   ► Apple would make its own chips what if

◼   ► they make their own x86 chips and they

◼   ► can do that you know money solves a lot

◼   ► of problems

◼   ► patents licensing instruction set

◼   ► whatever you know dealing with Intel

◼   ► like assuming you threw enough money of

◼   ► the people you need to throw money at to

◼   ► be allowed to do that

◼   ► Alpo could probably make a pretty good

◼   ► x86 chip I have a hard time believing

◼   ► Apple could make it substantially better

◼   ► x86 check than Intel because apples

◼   ► expertise thus far has been in making

◼   ► arm CPUs and x86 even just plain old

◼   ► Exodus

◼   ► 664 is a much more let's say warty

◼   ► instruction set than arm it's got a lot

◼   ► of history behind it it's weird in lots

◼   ► of interesting ways and intel has a lot

◼   ► of experience and you know instruction

◼   ► decode hardware and all sorts of you

◼   ► know chip within a chip ways to crack

◼   ► apart those big variable with

◼   ► instructions and feed it into a machine

◼   ► that works more like a modern processor

◼   ► on the inside I mean it's not as big a

◼   ► difference as people think because

◼   ► modern you know arm risk style

◼   ► processors also have to do lots of weird

◼   ► stuff internally as well but there's a

◼   ► lot of institutional expertise both AMD

◼   ► and Intel have that Apple does not have

◼   ► when it comes to figuring out how to

◼   ► make the x86 instruction set faster even

◼   ► just the x86 64 one which is much nicer

◼   ► than a 32-bit or let alone the 16-bit or

◼   ► whatever variants so I it that seems

◼   ► much less likely to me like it really

◼   ► hammers on what Marko was getting at

◼   ► which is like okay Apple now you're on

◼   ► now you have something to keep up with

◼   ► you're making your own x86 chips and so

◼   ► we can still ask the question hey Apple

◼   ► you have an update that whatever chip in

◼   ► your whatever Mac for a long time

◼   ► meanwhile Intel has released three new

◼   ► chips that are faster what's the deal

◼   ► you could just use those Intel chips why

◼   ► did you go on your own or it's at least

◼   ► if they do arm we can't tell them you

◼   ► know unless someone else decides to make

◼   ► like 17 core ARM chips they're

◼   ► stubbornly refusing to use in their new

◼   ► arm Mac Pro whatever so that I think

◼   ► this this realization and everything

◼   ► we're talking about is leading people to

◼   ► talk more around this blimp rogues story

◼   ► about I think for the first time I'm

◼   ► hearing people speculates more seriously

◼   ► about the idea of them having x86 at the

◼   ► high end and arm at the low end like for

◼   ► some sustained period of time rather

◼   ► than having a transition where you just

◼   ► say all the x86 Mac's are gone and all

◼   ► the Mac's are a whatever ARM chips but

◼   ► rather instead saying we're never going

◼   ► to make the investment to compete with

◼   ► Zeon's those are always gonna be Zeon's

◼   ► in the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro and we

◼   ► will keep up with Intel's line as much

◼   ► as we always have and we're just not

◼   ► going to do stuff there but for all for

◼   ► all of them

◼   ► max that can essentially take drop-in

◼   ► chips from our iPad and phone line maybe

◼   ► with some minor tweaks in terms of

◼   ► adding more cash or maybe some more

◼   ► cores and you know beef your GPU and

◼   ► stuff like that those will get armed and

◼   ► as Marco said those are the majority of

◼   ► Mac's sold and like the the x86 max will

◼   ► just be as technical curiosity that

◼   ► nerds and developers use but then the

◼   ► max that most people buy to do basic

◼   ► computing stuff and word processing and

◼   ► run office and web browsing and run

◼   ► spreadsheets and watch Netflix and

◼   ► whatever else people want to do those

◼   ► will all be armed and that is an

◼   ► unprecedented move because Apple has

◼   ► never had a sustained dual CPU strategy

◼   ► on the Mac it has always been a

◼   ► transition old chip goes out and your

◼   ► chip comes in new chip has lots of

◼   ► advantages everyone loves the new chip

◼   ► look how fast it is look how fast

◼   ► graphing calculator runs on the PowerPC

◼   ► look how fast everything runs on x86

◼   ► versus these ancient power pcs that IBM

◼   ► doesn't update anymore I am NOT

◼   ► enthusiastic about that future even

◼   ► though it makes sense from a technical

◼   ► perspective in terms of like what you

◼   ► want to spend money on and what you

◼   ► don't because tomorrow is earlier point

◼   ► dealing with an OS that runs on two

◼   ► different platforms is a who is it I

◼   ► think a TP tipster said it on Twitter is

◼   ► a bug multiplier like potentially there

◼   ► are new bugs that might only exist on

◼   ► one platform or another throwing another

◼   ► very it's not double the bugs right

◼   ► because not every bug is architecture

◼   ► specific but throwing another variable

◼   ► into the mix especially as variable as

◼   ► significant as the instruction set is

◼   ► not the best way to drive down bugs and

◼   ► cost and it could be that the software

◼   ► maintaining the software and dealing

◼   ► with the bugs and the changes there is

◼   ► actually more expensive than dealing

◼   ► with the hardware I don't know how that

◼   ► shakes out in the grand scheme of things

◼   ► exactly how many millions of dollars it

◼   ► would cost to build a Zeon competitor

◼   ► yourself versus how many millions of

◼   ► dollars it would cost to maintain in

◼   ► perpetuity or at least for a decade or

◼   ► so two architectures that you make and

◼   ► OS the same OS for with the same apps

◼   ► compiled the stat minor II

◼   ► to toolchains and all the other stuff so

◼   ► that also strikes me it's not ideal

◼   ► likely the simplest solutions are that

◼   ► Apple nope doesn't do this transition or

◼   ► that they transition everything to the

◼   ► same architecture on all their devices

◼   ► and any sort of hybrid thing though it

◼   ► might make sense from a nickel-and-dime

◼   ► perspective I bet if you had to pitch it

◼   ► to the Board of Directors it would seem

◼   ► to too much like a half-measure and they

◼   ► would say why don't we just all go if

◼   ► you had to pitch them and say we're

◼   ► gonna go all armed and it's unified and

◼   ► we have a unified framework and a

◼   ► unified architecture and we own all the

◼   ► stuff that is way easier to sell to a

◼   ► board of directors than any of the more

◼   ► technical solutions where you leave the

◼   ► pro Max's x86 and you support both of

◼   ► them and have two tool trains two

◼   ► compilers in fact binaries and you don't

◼   ► transition I you know I don't think

◼   ► that's a that's a winner it's funny

◼   ► because I'm of two minds about this

◼   ► whole thing the KC from a couple of

◼   ► years ago that lived in VMware fusion in

◼   ► Windows but on a Mac would most likely

◼   ► really hate this and this is exactly

◼   ► what you were talking about earlier John

◼   ► that you know one of the advantages of

◼   ► being able to virtualize a OS or a

◼   ► platform that's based on the same

◼   ► platform you're running is that it

◼   ► happens really really fast right this is

◼   ► in contrast to in this hypothetical

◼   ► future when you're trying to emulate x86

◼   ► on top of arm and who knows maybe this

◼   ► phantom apple processor would be so damn

◼   ► fast that you could get away with it but

◼   ► the likelihood of that is not good and

◼   ► so you know past KC who is doing Windows

◼   ► development on his Mac does not want

◼   ► this at all and I think the last time we

◼   ► really spoke about this seriously I was

◼   ► still that KC that that does not want

◼   ► this at all but the current me that only

◼   ► works on Xcode and you know other things

◼   ► that are native to the Mac and I haven't

◼   ► run Windows in at least a year if not

◼   ► more I don't feel like I have a problem

◼   ► with this and the thought of my beloved

◼   ► 12-inch MacBook being faster with a

◼   ► battery that lasts even longer which to

◼   ► be fair I don't have any particular

◼   ► complaints about the battery on this

◼   ► thing but that being said you can always

◼   ► have more more is always better so

◼   ► having a 12-inch MacBook that is

◼   ► considerably faster and yet has much

◼   ► better battery life that sounds friggin

◼   ► awesome like I totally want that

◼   ► but what I'm not really doing is

◼   ► considering what am I losing out on

◼   ► because maybe there's some there's some

◼   ► app that's vital to my workflow that I

◼   ► won't be able to use anymore like you

◼   ► know ffmpeg I believe is open-source so

◼   ► presumably I could compile from source

◼   ► if I needed to but just let's suppose

◼   ► for the sake of discussion that ffmpeg

◼   ► was never built forearm could not be

◼   ► built forearm like that would stink I

◼   ► use ffmpeg all the time for stupid stuff

◼   ► that doesn't matter but it but you know

◼   ► whether or not it matters it's important

◼   ► to me it matters to me

◼   ► weight to be clear you use it on the

◼   ► 12-inch every great once well not

◼   ► usually but perhaps not my best choice

◼   ► of analogies or a examples but but you

◼   ► get my point right is that there maybe

◼   ► it's something else

◼   ► maybe it's the app rocket which lets you

◼   ► you know easily insert emoji pretty much

◼   ► anywhere in the system you know it's a

◼   ► rocket is a modern app I would assume if

◼   ► this X eighties excuse me if this arm

◼   ► thing happened that rocket would get

◼   ► updated but what if for the sake of

◼   ► discussion rocket isn't updated I use

◼   ► rocket constantly probably hundreds of

◼   ► times a day and if it didn't get updated

◼   ► that would really bum me out and so

◼   ► there there are probably trade-offs that

◼   ► I'm not considering but on the surface

◼   ► and going on the assumption that it you

◼   ► know a this phantom new Apple processor

◼   ► that goes in the 12-inch MacBook is you

◼   ► know five times faster and that uses

◼   ► half as much power or whatever the case

◼   ► may be I think that sounds freaking

◼   ► great an Apple being in control of its

◼   ► own pipeline sounds freaking great but

◼   ► who knows I mean like you guys were

◼   ► saying maybe it would be that Apple

◼   ► makes crummy desktop level CPUs maybe it

◼   ► would be that they're even slower than

◼   ► Intel like we don't know how it would

◼   ► turn out but on the server is it faster

◼   ► and then they don't make a new one for

◼   ► three years yeah like you never know how

◼   ► it's gonna turn out but the optimist in

◼   ► me thinks hell yeah like even if even if

◼   ► it's painful at first because some of

◼   ► the things I really love don't get you

◼   ► know don't get moved to like fat binary

◼   ► or whatever they end up doing in

◼   ► principle this sounds great I'm all I'm

◼   ► all in on it I think I'd really like to

◼   ► see how this plays out but it sounds

◼   ► like we're waiting until at least

◼   ► 20 20 if not after that so we'll say uh

◼   ► or steak you want to put in dates no

◼   ► think your windows VM thing like I think

◼   ► that's a definitely a pretty rare case

◼   ► because you really really wanted to use

◼   ► a Mac but we're kind of doing Windows

◼   ► developing and you can get away with it

◼   ► because of VMware but I'm honestly I'm

◼   ► surprised you were able to tolerate that

◼   ► because that's no way to live an imac

◼   ► constantly be using VMware to do Windows

◼   ► stuff what's my alternative use a Dell

◼   ► I'm not a monster yeah I know at some

◼   ► point maybe that's better but like the

◼   ► reason I brought into the point is that

◼   ► yeah the reason I brought up server side

◼   ► of stuff it's not just because it's what

◼   ► I do for a living but because they're

◼   ► there you know think of the big the big

◼   ► tech companies you know you've got Apple

◼   ► what is it Apple Google Amazon maybe

◼   ► Microsoft Facebook right Facebook Amazon

◼   ► increasingly Microsoft and Google write

◼   ► a lot of or mostly server-side software

◼   ► and when you picture the stereotypical

◼   ► developer who works at any of those

◼   ► companies and you picture them using a

◼   ► Mac and being a cool tech nerd hipster

◼   ► person they're writing server-side

◼   ► software on the Mac and I have to think

◼   ► that there is some aspect of having the

◼   ► same CPU architecture as all of their

◼   ► servers makes that a more desirable

◼   ► development platform and there are a lot

◼   ► of those people right I don't know how

◼   ► many people are using a Mac to do

◼   ► Windows development because they hate

◼   ► Windows so much but there are a lot of

◼   ► people writing server-side software and

◼   ► my impression is that Mac's are very

◼   ► prevalent at those companies and that's

◼   ► why I think it's a use case that

◼   ► actually may raise to the level of being

◼   ► a factor in Apple's decision they will

◼   ► at least consider it right because you

◼   ► know like just think of the apple says

◼   ► well we considered it but it's not

◼   ► important enough use case it's too small

◼   ► like we care about consumers right so

◼   ► fine ten years from now if you went into

◼   ► Facebook or Google or Microsoft or

◼   ► Amazon and looked at all the developers

◼   ► who are doing server-side development

◼   ► what would it look like would it still

◼   ► be filled with Mac's or would they be

◼   ► mostly gone now

◼   ► and people switch to what to to Windows

◼   ► to Linux I don't know something that's

◼   ► still on x86 or it could be that by

◼   ► initiating this thing that Apple finally

◼   ► kick-starts all other companies to start

◼   ► pushing arm on the server more and

◼   ► Amazon rolls that arm on the server for

◼   ► all your ec2 instances and everything

◼   ► and you know Microsoft arm on Windows

◼   ► really starts to take off and Intel just

◼   ► really has a bad decade it really just

◼   ► fades from prominence and we're all

◼   ► happy because we're all using arm

◼   ► everywhere like that's a possibility I

◼   ► suppose but you know I just the big tech

◼   ► companies these days aren't the big tech

◼   ► companies because they make native

◼   ► applications and hardware most of the

◼   ► big temp tech companies are big because

◼   ► they run server-side software on cloud

◼   ► infrastructure on x86 CPUs and their

◼   ► developers all used Macs and run docker

◼   ► and stuff yeah just to clarify what I

◼   ► was saying earlier about ffmpeg that was

◼   ► really a crummy example because ffmpeg

◼   ► is open source so presumably like I

◼   ► think I said it earlier but that could

◼   ► be rebuilt from source but there's got

◼   ► to be some closed source thing maybe

◼   ► it's an Adobe product which doesn't

◼   ► typically get updated very well maybe

◼   ► it's some other thing maybe it's make

◼   ► MKV maybe it's any number of other apps

◼   ► that maybe you wouldn't be able to

◼   ► recompile yourself from source and maybe

◼   ► won't ever get upgraded or updated I

◼   ► should say for this new platform and

◼   ► then you would never be able to run that

◼   ► app again and that would really stink or

◼   ► you would have to be used some sort of

◼   ► what was the virtual virtualization but

◼   ► the thing that thank you were they you

◼   ► would have some sort of Rosetta style

◼   ► situation where yes you can still run it

◼   ► but it's at you know a compromised

◼   ► performance and blah blah blah so that's

◼   ► the thing that worries me is that

◼   ► sitting here now I'm all enthusiastic

◼   ► and it sounds great

◼   ► yeah give me my arm MacBook adorable

◼   ► give it to me tomorrow but maybe I'd get

◼   ► that arm MacBook adorable and realize oh

◼   ► this this grass isn't quite as green as

◼   ► I thought mark or any other thoughts on

◼   ► this I think the the software argument

◼   ► is is a good one like I think in any

◼   ► transition like this one of the big

◼   ► risks and problems is that you do lose

◼   ► some apps you lose software like you

◼   ► know when we went from PowerPC to Intel

◼   ► not everything made it along the

◼   ► transition

◼   ► now the Mack is in a very different

◼   ► place than where it was in 2006 when

◼   ► that transition really happened you know

◼   ► now a whole lot more Mack software's

◼   ► really in maintenance mode or being

◼   ► totally unmaintained and the software

◼   ► the people still use you know like a lot

◼   ► of developer attention moved to mobile

◼   ► and a lot of Mac developers no longer

◼   ► work on their apps or rather than the

◼   ► apps the developers have a lot of Mac

◼   ► apps are no longer working on them so

◼   ► the magazine is in a kind of a bad spot

◼   ► to go through an architecture transition

◼   ► with no other modifications I think this

◼   ► is possibly one of the reasons why I'm

◼   ► so excited about this idea of project

◼   ► marzipan of having iOS and Mac kind of

◼   ► cross having cross compatibility between

◼   ► the apps is that I think that could

◼   ► really revive a lot of the Macs off our

◼   ► market in theirs they were that would

◼   ► dramatically I think increase the

◼   ► developer interest in the Mac and and

◼   ► developer support of the Mac because it

◼   ► would lower that barrier allowed more

◼   ► skills to be shared a lot more code to

◼   ► be shared cetera so you know we talked

◼   ► about that before so anything to to

◼   ► revive software interest in the Mac of

◼   ► among developers would be very well

◼   ► timed to go before or during a partial

◼   ► or full architectural transition because

◼   ► that's when you need the developers to

◼   ► be active on the Mac is right now if you

◼   ► look around like like you know we're

◼   ► about to lose a 32-bit probably this

◼   ► fall

◼   ► almost everyone probably has something

◼   ► that will break you and we show this on

◼   ► iOS too like when when I always drop

◼   ► 32-bit almost everyone lost something

◼   ► and if you might have been using any

◼   ► more but you know you know not

◼   ► everything made it and that's how this

◼   ► is gonna be - like if max transition

◼   ► away from Intel not everything is going

◼   ► to make it we're already losing some a

◼   ► lot of things with 32-bit and so to do

◼   ► that without significant destruction and

◼   ► problems for your users you need a

◼   ► healthy and well maintained software

◼   ► ecosystem the Mac had that in 2006 and

◼   ► that's why PowerPC to Intel went so well

◼   ► it's hard to say the Mac

◼   ► has that now so this kind of transition

◼   ► I think would be a very bad idea unless

◼   ► and until the Mac has more active

◼   ► development from third parties on it and

◼   ► right now I don't see that happening

◼   ► without some kind of major intervention

◼   ► and project marzipan could be that I and

◼   ► I so that's one of the reasons again I

◼   ► really hope that happens yeah I think

◼   ► the good news is that if either one of

◼   ► these things happen I don't think anyone

◼   ► can imagine a sequence in which the

◼   ► marzipan anything doesn't come either

◼   ► before simultaneous with the CPU

◼   ► transition just because it takes so long

◼   ► to make CPUs and Apple has already

◼   ► dabbled in what it takes to reuse stuff

◼   ► that you wrote in iOS on the Mac and so

◼   ► like it see that just seems so much

◼   ► closer to being a reality to me than a

◼   ► CPU transition so I think we will get

◼   ► something to address the GUI API parity

◼   ► between iOS and the Mac before any CPU

◼   ► transition or at exactly the same time

◼   ► as a CPU transition for for the reasons

◼   ► you just set because it's Apple I think

◼   ► recognized is the same thing that going

◼   ► through a transition with the Mac market

◼   ► the way it is it's just gonna make more

◼   ► people say well that's the last straw

◼   ► screw it I'm just gonna be an iOS

◼   ► developer or do something else well see

◼   ► it's exciting times ahead maybe possibly

◼   ► you never know alright let's do some

◼   ► ASCII tipi

◼   ► oh please writes hey we'll lift be

◼   ► generally available during WDC as in not

◼   ► swamped with users or should I rent a

◼   ► car if I want to see the things around

◼   ► San Jose like the Computer History

◼   ► Museum in my experience from only one

◼   ► year of WDC in San Jose it was fine like

◼   ► I can't remember ever waiting on a lift

◼   ► for any particular reason or for any

◼   ► particular amounts of time I didn't have

◼   ► any trouble so I don't know about you

◼   ► guys

◼   ► compared to San Francisco San Jose is

◼   ► like a neutron bomb went off like

◼   ► there's nobody there there is there's a

◼   ► weird side effect though like it's a

◼   ► you're right first of all San Jose is

◼   ► empty the relatively speaking

◼   ► the problem with San Jose so it's kind

◼   ► of like the inverse plot of The Truman

◼   ► Show where it seems like you walking

◼   ► around are the only human being there

◼   ► and everyone who works

◼   ► every establishment in San Jose seems

◼   ► like they're an actor and for the very

◼   ► first time ever you are asking them to

◼   ► do their job that is a bit much but you

◼   ► are closer to the truth that I really

◼   ► want to admit well welcome to California

◼   ► like its it really does seem like you

◼   ► are like the first customer

◼   ► everyone's ever had everyone it's their

◼   ► first day on the job like it's we we

◼   ► found this to be the case last year

◼   ► almost everywhere we went almost every

◼   ► day it like and in various different

◼   ► contexts like it just seems like the

◼   ► city it seems like this is the first

◼   ► time people had ever come here and I

◼   ► know it's I know that's not the case

◼   ► like I know you know this is a big city

◼   ► like obviously people are here all the

◼   ► time but it's not that big that's the

◼   ► thing it's not a big city so anyway

◼   ► hiring like lifts and stuff you know for

◼   ► your time there you might have to tell

◼   ► the person how to drive you are the

◼   ► first person to ever ask them to do

◼   ► their job you know obviously at least

◼   ► that's how it will seem so I don't know

◼   ► what happened in San Jose to make

◼   ► everybody behave this way but that's how

◼   ► it felt the entire time

◼   ► San Jose from the perspective of an

◼   ► adopted New Yorker you ain't wrong all

◼   ► right Bart hoofs rights hey should I use

◼   ► the new CloudFlare DNS thing or should I

◼   ► stay with Google's DNS thing

◼   ► so to recap google has a free and not

◼   ► open but a free DNS it's the DNS servers

◼   ► actually the IP address 8.8.8.8 and what

◼   ► you can do is you can use Google's DNS

◼   ► which is supposed to provide perks

◼   ► although honestly I'm not even sure what

◼   ► they are anymore the last time I used it

◼   ► the only thing it really provided for me

◼   ► was making things like YouTube slower

◼   ► because I I was hitting servers that

◼   ► were very far away from where I was

◼   ► sitting I guess one of the advantages is

◼   ► it prevents your ISP from knowing as

◼   ► easily what web addresses you're going

◼   ► to and things of that nature instead

◼   ► you're giving it to Google because

◼   ► that's a better choice but nevertheless

◼   ► but yeah so that that was a thing it is

◼   ► useful if your ISPs DNS perhaps the bed

◼   ► which I know

◼   ► is a comcastic thing to happen but I

◼   ► don't know I've never really had that

◼   ► trouble on on files or of your ISP does

◼   ► stupid redirects where they they take

◼   ► over the DNS when you do they mean you

◼   ► typo something and throw you to some

◼   ► stupid page to reuse ISP DNS because

◼   ► they do that well also like you know I

◼   ► really don't trust ISPs to be ethical at

◼   ► all because they have shown in the u.s.

◼   ► that they're not like they're just not

◼   ► they they will do anything and

◼   ► everything to be as sleazy as possible

◼   ► because what are you gonna do about it

◼   ► there's no competition and now there's

◼   ► no FCC to regulate them so they can do

◼   ► whatever they want and they know it and

◼   ► they do like I would actually trust

◼   ► Google more than I would trust Verizon

◼   ► which is my ISP or

◼   ► any major ISP in this country because at

◼   ► least Google like there's a lot riding

◼   ► on that if they mess up if they do

◼   ► something creepy like so I think they're

◼   ► less likely to try creepy stuff and if

◼   ► they do creepy stuff they're less likely

◼   ► to to get hacked and have my information

◼   ► leaked all over the place so there's

◼   ► there's a few reasons why I think I

◼   ► would trust Google over any ISP that

◼   ► being said I think I trust CloudFlare

◼   ► more than any of them because a they're

◼   ► not an advertising company and B they've

◼   ► spelled out in their post announcing

◼   ► this like why they're doing this for

◼   ► free what's in it for them like what is

◼   ► their business plan here and their

◼   ► business plan is in part because they

◼   ► seem to honestly care about making the

◼   ► internet a better place and in part

◼   ► because they offer Enterprise DNS

◼   ► services that would be better and are

◼   ► faster if more people who access the

◼   ► enterprise's sites are using their DNS

◼   ► on the client-side so there is a clear

◼   ► business reason why this benefits

◼   ► CloudFlare to do that does not depend on

◼   ► creepy stuff that I don't want them to

◼   ► be doing yeah systems good I'm not using

◼   ► it personally but I I will say that I

◼   ► would be far more likely to use this

◼   ► than Google's thing I do use my eyes p's

◼   ► dns because I don't often fat-finger

◼   ► URLs so I don't see that god-awful

◼   ► Verizon search page that I hate that it

◼   ► hijacks when you enter a bogus URL they

◼   ► used to have a way for you to turn that

◼   ► off by

◼   ► like you go to Verizon's preferences and

◼   ► find it somewhere and say please don't

◼   ► do that

◼   ► but there still is it's it's poorly

◼   ► documented but like if you change like

◼   ► the last digit of your DNS servers in a

◼   ► certain way like you get you get

◼   ► alternate ones yeah yeah that used to be

◼   ► that used to be the way but there's a

◼   ► lot of like outdated documentation on

◼   ► that and sometimes what used to works

◼   ► stops working and it's it's annoying

◼   ► sorry I dig up on your on your concern

◼   ► KC about eight eight eight and eight

◼   ► eight eight eight four four the other

◼   ► one like that's my concern and my

◼   ► experience with them as well as like a

◼   ► lot of the the ISP DNS likes a sort of

◼   ► local DNS use the fact that that that

◼   ► DNS is local to get to give you

◼   ► different names for common services so

◼   ► you hit the closer incarnation of it and

◼   ► if you use the Google one so the theory

◼   ► went that it didn't know where you were

◼   ► to as much you know like and it would

◼   ► just send you to a server far away or

◼   ► that has a worse route to you I'm pretty

◼   ► sure Google with is a date thing

◼   ► does a bunch of stuff to try to make

◼   ► that less severe in other words is

◼   ► you're not going to some central DNS

◼   ► server in the middle of the country that

◼   ► gives everyone the same number for all

◼   ► the different services and that's why

◼   ► you know like it tries to be local like

◼   ► all Google thing it's massively

◼   ► distributed it's not just one thing in

◼   ► one place but my experience has been

◼   ► that whatever that local thing is it's

◼   ► not local enough and still occasionally

◼   ► I will get poor performance on the flip

◼   ► side sometimes you'll get better

◼   ► performance because if you try using

◼   ► your ISPs DNS I found is PDS to be

◼   ► unreliable as in no-name resolves or

◼   ► crappy as and it gives me like the same

◼   ► IP for that name as everyone else was on

◼   ► my the same ISP as me and it's crowded

◼   ► and if I switch to a today they get

◼   ► better traffic but either way I just I

◼   ► think CloudFlare is probably doing the

◼   ► same thing as Google in that regard I

◼   ► didn't I didn't read their full blog

◼   ► post but that that concern is real and

◼   ► does sometimes ever on vacations and

◼   ► that's why I hesitate to suggest to

◼   ► non-technical friends and family oh you

◼   ► shouldn't use the ISP DNS just always

◼   ► use a today there or one on one

◼   ► whatever because if they do find

◼   ► themselves in a situation where they're

◼   ► being sent to a server far away and they

◼   ► get terrible forms they're gonna have no

◼   ► idea how to debug that and I feel like

◼   ► it's better for them to just use the ISP

◼   ► DNS so then at least when it breaks they

◼   ► know the number to call and complain to

◼   ► people and the complaint will be

◼   ► legitimate and they won't find

◼   ► themselves in a situation where they the

◼   ► ISP support person eventually discovers

◼   ► that they have some weird dns and say oh

◼   ► there's your problem just they're at the

◼   ► mercy or their ISP in more ways than one

◼   ► but even for me I think maybe half of

◼   ► the devices in my house use the Google

◼   ► DNS but the other half use the native

◼   ► ones and I choose based on how important

◼   ► it is for that device to get good video

◼   ► streaming from like Netflix or whatever

◼   ► not an ideal situation

◼   ► ideal situation would be if the kind of

◼   ► technical expertise general morality and

◼   ► aligned business success incentives

◼   ► demonstrated by CloudFlare actually

◼   ► existed in is peace but we do not live

◼   ► in that country no not even close which

◼   ► is too bad

◼   ► all right so Josh Rappaport asks hey

◼   ► John with the release of Mac OS 10 point

◼   ► three point four have you considered

◼   ► getting an external GPU enclosure and a

◼   ► fancy graphics card can you do more in

◼   ► gaming on your Mac you can your Mac even

◼   ► support this isn't it way too old for

◼   ► this it doesn't even have thunderbolt

◼   ► yeah I don't I can't I'm running out

◼   ► Capitan I can't even run Sierra John's

◼   ► Mac doesn't even have USB 3 nope to the

◼   ► question about external GPUs

◼   ► I think those are a good solution for

◼   ► people who need to use GPU incentive

◼   ► intensive things on a computer that

◼   ► can't fit an internal GPU so laptops

◼   ► right and my main concern in the laptop

◼   ► realm is based on my experience using my

◼   ► 2017 15 inch macbook pro at work

◼   ► constantly connecting and disconnecting

◼   ► it to my monitor and a hub thing that

◼   ► gives me USB a connections and you know

◼   ► what else comes off of that

◼   ► well maybe DisplayPort for my old

◼   ► monitor or whatever anyway I plug it

◼   ► into a thing that periodically makes it

◼   ► forces

◼   ► turn on the discrete GPU and connect up

◼   ► to a an external monitor and the

◼   ► reliability of that is terrible there I

◼   ► have to do all sorts of weird dances and

◼   ► do things to make sure the machine

◼   ► doesn't feel too rushed or too hassled

◼   ► by me plugging and unplugging things

◼   ► very often I plug it in and it just

◼   ► ignores me

◼   ► no no unplug it and plug it in again oh

◼   ► maybe in a little potentially sometimes

◼   ► no matter how many times I plug it in

◼   ► and unplug it I have to pull the power

◼   ► cord out of my hub thing that it's

◼   ► connected to and basically reboot the

◼   ► hub thingy sometimes it freezes with a

◼   ► black screen and so like all this is

◼   ► making me think do I really want to be

◼   ► plugging and unplugging a GPU and

◼   ► thinking this operating system is gonna

◼   ► handle that gracefully because it can't

◼   ► even handle plugging into an external

◼   ► monitor in a consistent manner so I am

◼   ► NOT optimistic about how good an

◼   ► experience it will be to use an external

◼   ► GPU but especially to connect an

◼   ► external GPU to a system that didn't

◼   ► previously have it and disconnect it

◼   ► without doing all sorts of dances and

◼   ► jumping through hoops and bending over

◼   ► backwards to make sure the machine isn't

◼   ► too rushed or isn't too upset

◼   ► I mean plugging in the second GPU so my

◼   ► faith and the reliability of the Mac

◼   ► operating system to handle this is

◼   ► shaken despite the fact that I realize

◼   ► this is a revolutionary feature for the

◼   ► part of people who are on the go

◼   ► previously had no way to to increase the

◼   ► GPU power of their portable machine like

◼   ► you do only so much you could fit in

◼   ► that case and they were just the fans

◼   ► would be spinning you get the hottest

◼   ► one you could and it would still be

◼   ► terrible and now all of a sudden you're

◼   ► telling me I can get this little

◼   ► external enclosure and have massively

◼   ► more powerful GPU maybe they'll just

◼   ► deal with the bugs and they'll just be

◼   ► worth it for them to be able to do like

◼   ► live video previews of 4k video or

◼   ► whatever they're doing with their GPU

◼   ► rendering stuff like that but for me

◼   ► personally like I would not my choice of

◼   ► a gaming rig would not be a Mac laptop

◼   ► with an external GPU

◼   ► there's a reason I'm waiting for the Mac

◼   ► Pro so I don't know I'm not personal

◼   ► interested in this thanks to our

◼   ► sponsors this week

◼   ► Kaspar Squarespace and Rover and we'll

◼   ► see you next week

◼   ► now the show is over

◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin cuz it

◼   ► was accidental oh it was accidental John

◼   ► didn't do any research Marko and Casey

◼   ► wouldn't let him

◼   ► because it was accidentally was

◼   ► accidental and you can find the show

◼   ► notes at a TPM and if you can follow

◼   ► them CAS II WA L is s so that's Casey

◼   ► less and a are Co AR m and T Marco

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◼   ► so Casey I think I have a solution to

◼   ► your BMW problem if I'm trying to solve

◼   ► my BMW problem with Morgan with more BMW

◼   ► spend a shitload of money then yes you

◼   ► have definitely found a solution for me

◼   ► BMW is come up with a subscription

◼   ► service you heard that right that is not

◼   ► a joke

◼   ► it is now offering a subscription

◼   ► service only in Nashville or I'm sorry

◼   ► it will be offering a subscription

◼   ► service only in Nashville for $2,000 a

◼   ► month and thousand dollars a month you

◼   ► can choose between x5s for syriza's five

◼   ► syriza's plug-in hybrids etc and they

◼   ► will deliver with like white-glove

◼   ► service they will deliver the car you

◼   ► want to your door they will take away

◼   ► the car you already have and you can be

◼   ► assured that the car you are given is

◼   ► freshly detailed etc etc for $3,700 a

◼   ► month you can alternatively get access

◼   ► to m4 m5 m6 convertibles as well as x5m

◼   ► x6m

◼   ► etc none of these apparently offer the 7

◼   ► Series but you know whatever but what's

◼   ► interesting about this is it includes

◼   ► not only access to the car but insurance

◼   ► maintenance roadside assistance etcetera

◼   ► etcetera etcetera so if you are willing

◼   ► to trade an asinine amount of money for

◼   ► a fair bit of convenience you can get a

◼   ► suite or a fleet I should say of BMWs at

◼   ► your disposal and I think in general

◼   ► this is a pretty cool idea as long as

◼   ► you don't have kids where you have to

◼   ► plug in a car seat as long as you're not

◼   ► the kind of person that likes to have a

◼   ► whole bunch of things sitting around in

◼   ► your car be that a rag or a charger

◼   ► perhaps a obscenely overpriced car

◼   ► charger to go with your obscenely

◼   ► overpriced BMW subscription do you have

◼   ► a rag in your car yes I have a rag in my

◼   ► car why wouldn't you have a rag in here

◼   ► alright what kind of rag do you have

◼   ► where is it

◼   ► I believe generally speaking it is a

◼   ► blue surgical rag that was never used

◼   ► for surgery but my my uncle was a eye

◼   ► surgeon for the longest time and he

◼   ► would either purchase or snag a series

◼   ► of these blue rags that are probably

◼   ► about a foot square and they are the

◼   ► best rags for general purpose use and

◼   ► they're intended to be used in like

◼   ► surgeries and things but he would just

◼   ► grab them and then give a batch to my

◼   ► dad or me and it is sitting in the

◼   ► little container compartment whatever in

◼   ► in the driver side door so if I ever

◼   ► have to say wipe off the inside of the

◼   ► inside of the of the windshield because

◼   ► maybe I've had my windows open and some

◼   ► like you know that kind of like film

◼   ► that gets on the inside after a while

◼   ► you can wipe it off with that if you

◼   ► ever have to kill a spider because

◼   ► somehow spider has found its way into

◼   ► your car yeah but then you're then

◼   ► you're smearing spiders all over the

◼   ► windshield after the next time you clean

◼   ► yeah yeah so the reason I asked about it

◼   ► is because it brought back memories of

◼   ► my grandfather who also had a rag in his

◼   ► car but it was a filthy rag and it was

◼   ► in the trunk and it was used to clean

◼   ► off the dipstick when you're checking

◼   ► the oil yeah that's the I'm more curious

◼   ► what it what are these rags used for in

◼   ► the surgery I think to mop up blood and

◼   ► things like that third eye surgeon

◼   ► that's it's not terribly useful right or

◼   ► one would hope not anyway but for

◼   ► general purpose surgeries I'm assuming

◼   ► that's what they're for speaking of

◼   ► surgery and surgical cleanliness the

◼   ► reason I was moaning about you about

◼   ► your use of this rag that you keep in

◼   ► that the door pocket to clean the inside

◼   ► of your windshield is because mm-hmm be

◼   ► first of all the inside every wind chill

◼   ► is a hard spot to clean it's

◼   ► inconvenient it's hard to reach right

◼   ► you know like just arm angle wise and

◼   ► stuff does all sorts of film of your

◼   ► human gross miss like collects on there

◼   ► and everything but the other problem

◼   ► especially I imagined in Casey's car

◼   ► well that you can correct me if I'm

◼   ► wrong is that potentially you may use

◼   ► something to clean the dashboard that is

◼   ► right below the windshield some kind of

◼   ► product to to keep that clean there

◼   ► maintained it or protected from UV or

◼   ► whatever you're thinking like armor-all

◼   ► or equivalent or anything like that

◼   ► right something something other than

◼   ► just a completely dry rag to clean that

◼   ► part of your dashboard and make it look

◼   ► nice

◼   ► if you touch the rag that you're using

◼   ► to clean the inside of your dashboard

◼   ► any part of it

◼   ► to the the inside of your windshield if

◼   ► you touch that to the dashboard and then

◼   ► bring that to your windshield you're in

◼   ► for a world of hurt because the last

◼   ► thing you wanted to do is have even a

◼   ► corner of that thing touch your armor

◼   ► all covered dashboard and then smear

◼   ► that all over your window because you

◼   ► will spend the rest of your life with

◼   ► your arm at a weird angle of trying to

◼   ► get that stuff off the inside of your

◼   ► windshield and it is not easy so to try

◼   ► it there's some good YouTube videos

◼   ► about this for the like the correct and

◼   ► only sane way to clean the inside of

◼   ► your windshield involves basically

◼   ► surgical cleanliness it's like you're

◼   ► like you're in you know this looking

◼   ► chip fab a cleanroom you must use a rag

◼   ► perfectly clean freshly cleaned has not

◼   ► touched anything else you use it to wipe

◼   ► off the gross film then maybe you can

◼   ► use the other side of that rag and then

◼   ► it's done then you have to get your next

◼   ► rag and you can't touch it to any part

◼   ► of the trim or anything else that might

◼   ► have arm roll on it like this is a

◼   ► disaster alright I have an alternate

◼   ► policy no armor-all

◼   ► ever goes in my car I hate armor oh I

◼   ► hate the idea that I touch any surface

◼   ► and it's greasy that is awful there was

◼   ► one time where like a detailer used it

◼   ► without asking and it drove me nuts I

◼   ► was like taking like a beach towel like

◼   ► wiping it like trying to wipe it all off

◼   ► it was horrible

◼   ► probably smearing it all over the inside

◼   ► of your windshield yeah why we're all is

◼   ► the worst but there are lots of things

◼   ► that you can use to clean the inside of

◼   ► your car all of them have in various

◼   ► ways are you do not want them touching

◼   ► your windshield no they don't all vacuum

◼   ► cleaner and cloth that's all you need to

◼   ► clean a car you don't need like two like

◼   ► coat your your dashboard with the grease

◼   ► unfortunately even water even like

◼   ► dampness the problem is the grease comes

◼   ► from you from your body

◼   ► what's collecting on the inside of your

◼   ► windshield is human scum right it's

◼   ► coming from inside the car that also

◼   ► settles on your dashboard so even just

◼   ► rubbing it with a dry cloth you were

◼   ► picking up some some grease and if you

◼   ► if you would like to rub the top of your

◼   ► dashboard with a dry cloth and then take

◼   ► that same dry cloth and rub your

◼   ► windshield you are adding to the mess on

◼   ► your windshield clean the inside of your

◼   ► windshield is really hard to do I and

◼   ► I'm terrible at it by the way like don't

◼   ► think just because I reference those

◼   ► YouTube videos I show you how to do it

◼   ► right I am terrible I which is why I

◼   ► know

◼   ► difficult actually is to do I mean maybe

◼   ► maybe I'm just not as as greasy greasy

◼   ► is you guys I'm Italian I I don't

◼   ► I hardly ever have to clean somebody

◼   ► said I just don't touch it and by not

◼   ► touching it I almost never have to do

◼   ► but that is one that is a reasonable

◼   ► policy because a lot of people make the

◼   ► mistake of getting something on their

◼   ► windshield and then they try to like rub

◼   ► it with their hand or something an

◼   ► accident has grease on it started the

◼   ► cycle of grease Christmas but Casey's

◼   ► rag that thing I would never touch that

◼   ► to the inside of my windshield because I

◼   ► think you're just making it worse like

◼   ► you okay so you need to come on you're

◼   ► you are fancy enough of a car person you

◼   ► need to come on board they like time to

◼   ► crack out the completely sealed

◼   ► completely sterile never seen the light

◼   ► of day rag which I will carefully handle

◼   ► with my perfectly clean hands and wipe

◼   ► down the inside of my windshield maybe

◼   ► not even the whole windshield but just

◼   ► half of it and then throw that thing

◼   ► away and then your rag just keeping the

◼   ► keeping the trunk for dipstick checking

◼   ► or you can just have lower standards can

◼   ► we get back to the point so BMW has a

◼   ► subscription starter so do you think the

◼   ► BMW concierge a car seat what if you

◼   ► have a rag I mean cuz they they say they

◼   ► would they will personally deliver the

◼   ► vehicle they arrived fully fueled and

◼   ► freshly detailed with personal

◼   ► preferences already preset say can I get

◼   ► a filthy rag in the door pocket yeah

◼   ► well what do you mean by personal

◼   ► preference is it just like where the

◼   ► seat is or can it be like can you also

◼   ► install this particular brand of car

◼   ► seat in this spot load the pocket below

◼   ► it with these three toys my kid likes

◼   ► and wants to play with in the car today

◼   ► put my brand of sunglasses in the

◼   ► sunglass holder that is probably not

◼   ► there because BMW doesn't percent less

◼   ► holders anywhere how far will this go

◼   ► could you get them to even pick your

◼   ► scent in the 7 Series I think yeah like

◼   ► could you get them to include one of

◼   ► these surgical rags that mops up KC's

◼   ► uncle's eye blood in the door pocket so

◼   ► you can reach it and can can they pre

◼   ► clean the windshield for you so that you

◼   ► don't get anyone elses ambient grease

◼   ► and on your windshield well they say it

◼   ► is detailed so you shouldn't have to do

◼   ► anything the windshield should be

◼   ► sparkling clean when you get it yeah but

◼   ► I just think this is an interesting

◼   ► thing the first I'd heard of this was

◼   ► actually with Volvo with the new XC 40

◼   ► where you kid

◼   ► you get euro and XZ 40 and you can the

◼   ► interesting thing about this actually I

◼   ► could swear I had read that you can do

◼   ► this all via an app on your phone which

◼   ► how does that make sense when there's

◼   ► payment involved it's not it's like

◼   ► Netflix for cars you just you just

◼   ► constantly get a bill for $3,700 every

◼   ► month and that covers all the cost of

◼   ► you picking whatever vehicle you want

◼   ► like it more than covers the cost they

◼   ► just charge you too much yeah but but in

◼   ► the case of Volvo you know they're

◼   ► saying what makes care by Volvo unique

◼   ► which is what they're calling their

◼   ► subscription Verve the service no down

◼   ► payment no price negotiation one flat

◼   ► monthly fee with no surprises includes

◼   ► premium insurance no matter where you

◼   ► live maintenance and excess wear

◼   ► coverage upgrade to new Volvo is in as

◼   ► little as 12 months subscribe easily

◼   ► online or via the app and a 15,000 mile

◼   ► allowance per year like if I was

◼   ► interested in an XC 40 which that's not

◼   ► the kind of car that I particularly want

◼   ► this is a really really cool idea I

◼   ► don't know how much the Volvo setup

◼   ► costs and oh there you go starting $600

◼   ► a month for the base model $700 a month

◼   ► for their equivalent of the M Sport

◼   ► which they call our drive or excuse me

◼   ► our design but the BMW version is you

◼   ► know many times that and yes I think

◼   ► it's a cool idea and I kind of like

◼   ► where this is going the thought of just

◼   ► paying one monthly fee to have

◼   ► everything taken care of is really cool

◼   ► yeah but but there but believe me

◼   ► they're charging you for like this is

◼   ► not none of these things are good deals

◼   ► financially speaking peace of mind wise

◼   ► you may be appealing to you to say oh

◼   ► and I just don't have to worry about it

◼   ► but you are paying not to worry and

◼   ► you're paying I loves like like for the

◼   ► the $3,700 a month one for the high one

◼   ► to get like the M cards like you can

◼   ► lease an m5 for like $1,000 a month

◼   ► and insurance on it is gonna be less

◼   ► than that more it's not gonna be another

◼   ► thousand a month at least three M fives

◼   ► and you could just rotate them each day

◼   ► yeah and another thing is like you see

◼   ► you just said like oh it wouldn't it be

◼   ► great if you could just pay a monthly

◼   ► fee and have written taken care of you

◼   ► can do that already it's called leasing

◼   ► that's it already takes care of almost

◼   ► all well but it doesn't do insurance

◼   ► like not to say that paying an insurance

◼   ► bill it does include maintenance and

◼   ► roadside assistance and you get a

◼   ► concierge to your house oh I never tell

◼   ► you about that

◼   ► it's the same car all the time I mean

◼   ► this is totally for rich people who are

◼   ► like Oh today I want to try this car

◼   ► today I want to obey Him w came out with

◼   ► a new car is that included in my head

◼   ► fix for cars sure it is Oh trade this

◼   ► you know like you really I feel like you

◼   ► really have to have a lot of time and

◼   ► also at Casey's point not a lot of junk

◼   ► in your car to do this kind of rotation

◼   ► although like I was trying to think of

◼   ► things in my life that have been like

◼   ► this that actually have been

◼   ► ridiculously good deals and I thought of

◼   ► one which I'm sure this doesn't exist

◼   ► anymore but someone can write and tell

◼   ► me when I was kid I went skiing almost

◼   ► every year and when I was teen I was

◼   ► wanted to buy fancy new skis for myself

◼   ► for a huge amount of money and the only

◼   ► way to know which keys you wanna buy is

◼   ► to try a bunch of skis kind of like

◼   ► test-driving

◼   ► and at the mountain they have they have

◼   ► demos you could go to the ski shop and

◼   ► say I want a demo skis and you'd give

◼   ► them some paltry amount of money I don't

◼   ► remember it was maybe it was $15 $10 $20

◼   ► and how much gonna cost yeah exactly but

◼   ► it was a really seeming small to me then

◼   ► right and in exchange for that all day

◼   ► you can go to the ski shop and point to

◼   ► the $700 in 1990 money ski behind the

◼   ► counter that you wanted to try and so I

◼   ► want to try that one and you've given

◼   ► your ski boot and they would dress the

◼   ► bindings and say here you go I need to

◼   ► go up and take a run you come back down

◼   ► you say alright let me try that one and

◼   ► you point to the $800 nineteen nineties

◼   ► money ski over there and they would take

◼   ► your boot and adjust the bindings and

◼   ► give it to you you go up and come back

◼   ► down you can do that all day they change

◼   ► skis as many times you want no

◼   ► additional fee each time every time they

◼   ► would adjust the bindings for your ski

◼   ► boots on your weight and you would get

◼   ► to try hundreds and hundreds and

◼   ► hundreds of dollars of skis in one day

◼   ► for one flat fee of like ten or fifteen

◼   ► dollars now granted the lift tickets

◼   ► were 100 bucks in 1990 money but my

◼   ► parents were paying for those so I'd

◼   ► have to worry about it but I just I

◼   ► remember being amazed that like what a

◼   ► good deal it was like there was no

◼   ► equivalent of that it's as if you could

◼   ► for a fee of like $80 try as many bbws

◼   ► as you wanted for a week and just every

◼   ► time you wanted to go back to the dealer

◼   ► along I'd try that one now and you'd

◼   ► have to buy anything at the end of it

◼   ► and I didn't buy anything at the end of

◼   ► it I tried all these skis on real ski

◼   ► mountains which is why I found how I

◼   ► found my beloved Rossignol 7s to be the

◼   ► ideal ski

◼   ► me just alone to this day well and like

◼   ► that actually is you know one possible

◼   ► reason why somebody could reasonably

◼   ► want a plan like this is like I mean I

◼   ► don't know what if they have like

◼   ► minimum terms but if you could just sign

◼   ► up for it for one month and like if you

◼   ► if you wanted to buy one of these cars

◼   ► but you couldn't decide which one and

◼   ► you didn't want to make like an

◼   ► expensive mistake you you know kiss

◼   ► $2,000 goodbye or whatever and just try

◼   ► basically having a one-month test-drive

◼   ► of all these different models and you

◼   ► could make you decision that way or say

◼   ► if you were trying to get a car review

◼   ► channel off the ground on YouTube and

◼   ► you needed access to a bunch of cars to

◼   ► review and you can schedule it so you

◼   ► had all them you could do them all in

◼   ► one month like imagine being able to

◼   ► review like seven different cars in one

◼   ► month because you'd have access to them

◼   ► I have to pay Casey for that so we can

◼   ► have as little demurrer ad in the front

◼   ► and say I got this car courtesy you know

◼   ► whatever Toyota the like you do a little

◼   ► ad for them like they pay you this is

◼   ► why I'm not a youtube car journalist

◼   ► yeah well neither am i these days

◼   ► apparently Porsche also has one called

◼   ► Porsche passport which is so related so

◼   ► you could try all two of their cars they

◼   ► have so many SUVs and Plus up some other

◼   ► cars in any case I just think it's a

◼   ► very cool idea I don't I don't know that

◼   ► it's gonna work for most people not the

◼   ► least of which because it's obscene

◼   ► amount of money but like you guys were

◼   ► saying this is trading money in favor of

◼   ► convenience and you know to your point

◼   ► Marko if you're gonna go this route like

◼   ► there's an argument that leasing would

◼   ► be just as good or almost as good you

◼   ► don't get a guaranteed one-year upgrade

◼   ► in a lease or most leases anyway like

◼   ► you would within in the case of the

◼   ► Volvo one and you don't get access to

◼   ► many cars in a lease like you can and

◼   ► this BMW or Porsche ones but I do think

◼   ► it's a cool idea and if you have more

◼   ► money than sense I mean the good thing

◼   ► is like this makes leasing look pretty

◼   ► reasonable by comparison like I'm like

◼   ► leasing like yeah like you don't get a

◼   ► you don't get every years new model but

◼   ► most cars like every year is a really

◼   ► minor update like in most cars they only

◼   ► change in substantial ways every you

◼   ► know three to five years so

◼   ► you know you don't need to get every

◼   ► single year and you know while I would

◼   ► miss the year while you would miss the

◼   ► concierge with your blood cloth I think

◼   ► there's a pretty good argument to be

◼   ► made that like the parts of this that

◼   ► are appealing to you right now in theory

◼   ► are really directly saying like you're

◼   ► ready for a lease that's what this means

◼   ► like you are so ready for release

◼   ► because you're like oh I can just pay a

◼   ► flat monthly fee and then like

◼   ► maintenance is included yes terribly

◼   ► used to do that and you don't have to

◼   ► worry about upgrades down the road yes

◼   ► yes exactly you can do it now like I can

◼   ► offer you a wonderful deal where I will

◼   ► offer you most of this service for a

◼   ► quarter of the price and you don't even

◼   ► have to be in Nashville oh that's great

◼   ► man reason I think of leasing is not for

◼   ► caseous because it will force him to

◼   ► make a new car buying decision every

◼   ► three months and I don't think the show

◼   ► can handle that yeah even every three

◼   ► years that's true if people just made

◼   ► cars I wanted to buy it would be so much

◼   ► easier

◼   ► like just make make the model three have

◼   ► an actual dashboard make the model s not

◼   ► a bazillion dollars make BMWs that don't

◼   ► break any of these would be reasonable

◼   ► options make a Golf R with a sunroof but

◼   ► here's the thing if you lease if you

◼   ► start a three-year lease today what

◼   ► you're doing is just kicking that can

◼   ► down the road for three years yes so

◼   ► that's great you can say no but you can

◼   ► say like you know what I would rather

◼   ► not think about this for the next three

◼   ► years I'll get back to it then it's like

◼   ► snoozing your car angst like he just

◼   ► snooze it for three years and you know

◼   ► remind me in three years to revisit the

◼   ► my car craziness in the meantime I will

◼   ► happily drive this thing that's being

◼   ► taken care of by the lease plan and I

◼   ► don't have to worry about his

◼   ► maintenance costs and the thing could be

◼   ► like an m3 or something Casey's just

◼   ► waiting for BMW to have a roundtable

◼   ► [Laughter]

◼   ► manual transmission reliable cars but I

◼   ► don't think that's in your future no I

◼   ► don't think so

◼   ► don't think so

◼   ► also my throat's burning from all the

◼   ► ginger I put in my lemon ginger honey

◼   ► things too much normally I just minced

◼   ► the ginger but this time I decided to to

◼   ► put a ginger and hot water solution in

◼   ► my blender and really puree the crap out

◼   ► of those really in there and Wow is it

◼   ► stronger that way using chemical weapons

◼   ► on yourself next Marco pepper sprays his

◼   ► throat yeah and then of course all the

◼   ► ginger like particles sank to the bottom

◼   ► of the cup so the whole time I was

◼   ► drinking it wasn't too bad but now I

◼   ► mean now at the bottom and now it's

◼   ► every sip is like fire mmm you just need

◼   ► to get crystallized ginger so you slowly

◼   ► the crystals did you know that ginger

◼   ► tea is almost always BS like if you try

◼   ► to get like just like bad ginger tea so

◼   ► it's all dried every single one time

◼   ► I've ever seen includes is one of the

◼   ► ingredients black pepper

◼   ► that's why is that BS because you don't

◼   ► like black pepper because they're trying

◼   ► to make it feel like fresh ginger with

◼   ► the burn in the back of your throat by

◼   ► making you drink black pepper basically

◼   ► ginger fresh ginger gives you a burn in

◼   ► the back of your I guess I don't need

◼   ► enough fresh ginger to know i mean i

◼   ► gender is spicy it's like there's like a

◼   ► spice to it but when you dry it out and

◼   ► and you know make dry teabags with it

◼   ► you lose that and so to make you think

◼   ► you're tasting more fresh ginger than

◼   ► you are they add black pepper to ginger

◼   ► tea bags to remind you of the burn that

◼   ► you get with fresh ginger but it's you

◼   ► know it's it's like engine noises it's

◼   ► like it's totally fake when do you eat

◼   ► fresh ginger other than this thing that

◼   ► you're doing to yourself because you're

◼   ► sick I'm not sick I use enjoy this okay

◼   ► yes it's fresh but then you chop it up

◼   ► and then you cook it you make it hot in

◼   ► some kind of pain about the ginger that

◼   ► comes with sushi

◼   ► that's pickled ah okay and I don't eat

◼   ► sushi

◼   ► have you tried it mMmmm neither do I I

◼   ► finally so my problem is I don't like

◼   ► fish and I'm allergic to avocado try to

◼   ► find anything at a sushi restaurant that

◼   ► contains neither of those things

◼   ► but anyway I'm eating fresh ginger right

◼   ► now in this drink it's really good but a

◼   ► little Bernie but a little Bernie yeah

◼   ► cuz I'm making my own ginger tea because

◼   ► actual user tea is bullshit

◼   ► just because it contains pepper like I'm

◼   ► not convinced people just are like that

◼   ► - pepper you think it's it's you think

◼   ► it's ginger fakery but maybe it's just

◼   ► it's positive peppering if they if

◼   ► that's the reason they added it they

◼   ► would put pepper on the label they was

◼   ► advertised as ginger pepper tea is zero

◼   ► of them do this little put salt on the

◼   ► labels they're solvent

◼   ► no actually I don't think so let's do

◼   ► follow-up Peter Kendall writes that he

◼   ► loves that Marco you purchased an

◼   ► walkie-talkies for your road trip since

◼   ► he is an amateur or ham radio operator

◼   ► and he is glad that they worked well

◼   ► Peter continues well walkie-talkies

◼   ► don't have the best range once one

◼   ► passes an amateur radio exam that you

◼   ► can get access to much more powerful

◼   ► radios for example one can get these

◼   ► mobile radios that pump out 50 watts and

◼   ► are powered by the 12-volt battery in

◼   ► your car and to have a detachable head

◼   ► unit to put on your dash there are other

◼   ► shapes and sizes as well including

◼   ► smaller ones that are basically

◼   ► glorified walkie talkies but more

◼   ► powerful holy monkey 50 watts is yeah I

◼   ► don't know anything and I know that's

◼   ► significant yeah I mean for reference

◼   ► the walkie talkies maxed out at two

◼   ► watts and you only get the two watts if

◼   ► you go on your only legally supposed to

◼   ► use the the two want versions if you go

◼   ► to the FCC's website and register for a

◼   ► GM RS license which I actually did and I

◼   ► didn't want to get in trouble for using

◼   ► the tool on channels and I did it

◼   ► because it was really easy and

◼   ► inexpensive to do it going all the way

◼   ► for a full ham radio license is

◼   ► considerably more involved and I didn't

◼   ► think it was necessary to communicate

◼   ► between two vehicles that were usually

◼   ► at most a few hundred feet apart so it

◼   ► wasn't necessary for this use case but

◼   ► ham radio is one of those things like

◼   ► that there's a lot of overlap between

◼   ► ham radio and nerd culture and I respect

◼   ► a lot of it but I don't know that much

◼   ► about it but ultimately I've never had

◼   ► much of a reason to get into it because

◼   ► the the broadcast nature of that hobby

◼   ► for me I've solved with odd casting and

◼   ► the like short range communication

◼   ► nature I've never really had a need

◼   ► until now and walkie talkies served my

◼   ► needs perfectly well I put this in here

◼   ► because I feel like it fits well with

◼   ► Marcos vinyl revival and

◼   ► I stopped not that he's gonna be into it

◼   ► now but maybe this is like the ghost of

◼   ► Marco future when he wants another tech

◼   ► thing to get into her maybe find himself

◼   ► traveling to upstate a lot maybe retires

◼   ► to upstate and needs to have

◼   ► walkie-talkies seeing Marco take an

◼   ► amateur radio exam to get a license for

◼   ► a more powerful radio is a thing that

◼   ► seems plausible to me so just put a

◼   ► marker here come back in 20 years there

◼   ► is no way I would ever be allowed to put

◼   ► a giant antenna in my yard once you have

◼   ► your giant compound upstate you have

◼   ► plenty of land for that there's some

◼   ► sort of ham joke here that I just can't

◼   ► put my finger on I'm more of a brisket

◼   ► person now that's not that that's not

◼   ► the ham I was going for but I'll allow

◼   ► it as long as some one of us got one in

◼   ► I'm good all right Eduardo ponts writes

◼   ► if anyone's wondering whether the new

◼   ► onboarding screens on iOS 11.3 we're all

◼   ► about gdpr

◼   ► wonder no more and they include a link

◼   ► to the photograph of their Apple TV

◼   ► where there are clearly some string what

◼   ► would you call these I don't like

◼   ► placeholders their localization

◼   ► identifiers basically like like when so

◼   ► when you're when you're writing an app

◼   ► that's supposed to be localized to

◼   ► different languages you usually wrap the

◼   ► string calls in some kind of

◼   ► localization layer like NS localized

◼   ► string or something like that and so the

◼   ► idea is you you don't just hard code the

◼   ► language strings are going to be shown

◼   ► to the user in like the source code you

◼   ► have some kind of resource file that is

◼   ► a strings file and then you can localize

◼   ► the strings file that's just like a list

◼   ► of all the strings that would be

◼   ► displayed to a user you can have that

◼   ► localized by translators and then you

◼   ► could have a whole bundle of those

◼   ► things in your app and you can have

◼   ► different ones show for different

◼   ► language and locale settings and your

◼   ► app simply instead of saying like ask

◼   ► the user are you sure the app says give

◼   ► me the string for the are you short

◼   ► dialogue on this page so it might have

◼   ► some kind of identifier for that some

◼   ► kind of like you know are you sure dot

◼   ► identifiers are dot set up dot one or

◼   ► something like that and so what we see

◼   ► here is there was some kind of problem

◼   ► or some kind of bug or something where

◼   ► the string didn't load and instead it

◼   ► just showed the identifier and it has

◼   ► GDP are in the identifiers in the name

◼   ► of the identifiers for the for the text

◼   ► of this dialog for these boxes so

◼   ► clearly Apple

◼   ► considers these GDP our dialogues right

◼   ► so like a couple samples a TV for Apple

◼   ► TV videos GDP our welcome to movies or a

◼   ► TV videos GDP our continue button label

◼   ► so yeah it was funny to me because I was

◼   ► pretty darn confident that this was this

◼   ► boiled down to GDP our and man there

◼   ► were not a lot of people who disagreed

◼   ► but who boy to the people who disagree

◼   ► they were very confident that we were

◼   ► wrong and guess what told you so

◼   ► moving on oh man I did not think to

◼   ► figure out how to pronounce this say

◼   ► Liam kellian mr. or mrs. Babcock who

◼   ► writes in of Dell with technology at the

◼   ► high school and elementary levels when

◼   ► it comes to cost and collaboration

◼   ► features Google wins since that device

◼   ► is configured and lockdown iOS doesn't

◼   ► count much as for video editing it

◼   ► sounds cool but it's a huge time sink I

◼   ► didn't add this who did what are you

◼   ► what are we trying to say here I just

◼   ► put a little bit of etu feedback we got

◼   ► a lot of people replying so I just want

◼   ► to have a few samples to sort of cover

◼   ► the range that's what the next few items

◼   ► are about fair enough Andrew link writes

◼   ► creativity is the peak of learning but

◼   ► 40% of the time I'm dealing with quote

◼   ► unquote classroom management and 50% is

◼   ► trying to even get students to reach the

◼   ► baseline there's a broad or there

◼   ► they're abroad family and cultural

◼   ► issues to address before tech really

◼   ► matters

◼   ► Andrews school or whatever is

◼   ► implementing Google suite over the next

◼   ► two years it's a mixed bag the

◼   ► software's okay that our kid is slowing

◼   ► everything to a crawl also tween

◼   ► memories and Google level secure

◼   ► passwords are painful mix in other words

◼   ► everyone's always forgetting their

◼   ► passwords did one of your kids have that

◼   ► happen to them not me no not me my kid

◼   ► has good password hygiene I don't even

◼   ► know if you're serious or not scared to

◼   ► bits here is that we are people who are

◼   ► actually in education writing to us and

◼   ► maybe not all of them

◼   ► but no matter what it was these people

◼   ► were using everyone had complaints right

◼   ► so it's not complaints about the thing

◼   ► they're not using complaints about the

◼   ► thing they are using complaints about

◼   ► the difficulty of the job about the

◼   ► difficulty of dealing with technology

◼   ► and no matter what it was they were

◼   ► using if they were all Apple if they

◼   ► were all googles they were mix that

◼   ► everything had problem we know this

◼   ► Varitek podcast we complain about

◼   ► technology and we know the frustration

◼   ► is that most people who aren't tech

◼   ► enthusiasts feel about technology like

◼   ► this is frustrated when it doesn't work

◼   ► especially if it's you're supposed to be

◼   ► using as part of your job so not not a

◼   ► lot of feedback was like here's what we

◼   ► use and we love it and it's awesome

◼   ► awesome some people like one thing

◼   ► better than the other one said I'm so

◼   ► glad I have X it's better than Y but

◼   ► they all had complaints about whatever

◼   ► it was they were using so no silver

◼   ► bullet for our tech in schools and I

◼   ► particularly like the idea of like that

◼   ► creativity is the peak of learning sort

◼   ► of like a pyramid of like you know what

◼   ► was that uh

◼   ► said Maslow's hierarchy of needs if

◼   ► somebody has a hierarchy of need not

◼   ► sloth yeah it's like you know safety and

◼   ► bubble and very at the top of like

◼   ► self-actualization or whatever and so

◼   ► it's like in the classroom get the kids

◼   ► to show up get them to be safe get you

◼   ► know get them to pay attention get them

◼   ► to absorb something like and creativity

◼   ► is like when you get all that other

◼   ► stuff taken care of and then finally

◼   ► they're allowed to to blossom and that

◼   ► that's the aspirational nature of what

◼   ► Apple is pitching that by buying our

◼   ► products they will enhance the the peak

◼   ► of learning but you have to get to that

◼   ► peak first yeah you know you have to

◼   ► have the students in the seats paying

◼   ► attention absorbing the material and

◼   ► then sprout you know spreading their

◼   ► wings and being creative with the things

◼   ► that you've successfully taught them it

◼   ► was interesting to me that um I felt

◼   ► like a lot of the feedback we got about

◼   ► education was very contradictory

◼   ► you know somebody would say oh of course

◼   ► you would want an iPad the total cost of

◼   ► ownership is so much better oh you could

◼   ► never get an iPad the total cost is so

◼   ► much worse it was very it was very in

◼   ► and yang and it made me laugh oh yeah

◼   ► one more thing I didn't put anybody's

◼   ► feedback and I should have but the idea

◼   ► of Apple devices or whatever device is

◼   ► being expensive and then only being

◼   ► available in the quote-unquote rich

◼   ► schools lots of people were all right

◼   ► there seems to be like a disconnect

◼   ► between the students that attend the

◼   ► schools and attack space that

◼   ► potentially feeds into them because a

◼   ► lot of people are like you know we have

◼   ► iPads in our school and our it's we're

◼   ► not in a wealthy area right and so it's

◼   ► like it doesn't mean necessarily the

◼   ► students who go to the school are

◼   ► well-to-do but it seems in some areas

◼   ► more than others money somehow is

◼   ► getting to these schools that is not

◼   ► directly attributable to the incomes of

◼   ► the individual students who are

◼   ► attending and I think that's just the

◼   ► nature of tax spaces it depends on where

◼   ► you live it depends on how your taxes

◼   ► are distributed it depends on if there's

◼   ► some other program that's feeding money

◼   ► into the school to buy the fancy iPads

◼   ► for the school that otherwise is not

◼   ► awash in cash I mean that I can tell you

◼   ► the opposite here where where I live

◼   ► it's filled with rich people and yet a

◼   ► lot of the technology in the schools too

◼   ► my kids attend especially elementary

◼   ► school is entirely funded directly by

◼   ► the parents as in there is no money in

◼   ► the school budget for technology

◼   ► whatsoever and the only reason there's

◼   ► any technology is because all the kids

◼   ► parents are rich and give directly money

◼   ► to buy like if you want to see any

◼   ► computers in your kids school you're

◼   ► gonna have to collect money and give

◼   ► them to us right and is it because the

◼   ► tax base is a big enough here no I can't

◼   ► possibly be it it's just a question of

◼   ► budgeting and how much money goes

◼   ► towards elementary and how much priority

◼   ► they put on putting technology in school

◼   ► versus you know tearing down one a local

◼   ► elementary school and rebuilding it to

◼   ► be this Taj Mahal multi-million dollar

◼   ► amazing piece of construction right that

◼   ► costs a lot more money than iPads and

◼   ► that was not funded by people's parents

◼   ► with direct contributions but with good

◼   ► old-fashioned taxes and bonds would one

◼   ► of you like to tell me about what

◼   ► happens when you open a new document in

◼   ► pages I think there is a video of it

◼   ► this is related to our topic for like

◼   ► how do you how do you how do people find

◼   ► help in iOS apps when the screen is so

◼   ► small how do you communicate the

◼   ► features of your application so people

◼   ► know when it launches what you can do

◼   ► with it begin because the screen is so

◼   ► small and there's no I'm the president

◼   ► menu bar with a help menu and we were we

◼   ► talked about the bad ways you can do

◼   ► this by circling a bunch of stuff on the

◼   ► screen and throwing a bunch of words at

◼   ► people's faces putting it pointing a

◼   ► finger and said this

◼   ► this thing to do this tap that thing to

◼   ► do that tap that thing I'm expecting

◼   ► them to memorize at the one time they

◼   ► see it

◼   ► so there's Benjamin Mayo tweeted a

◼   ► little video of what happens and I'm

◼   ► assuming this is a new version of pages

◼   ► on iOS so they have you know what you do

◼   ► have visible in many iOS applications is

◼   ► a toolbar with some glyphs on it some

◼   ► kind I conjure glyphs either whether

◼   ► it's the top or at the bottom and in

◼   ► pages this looks like on a phone you

◼   ► launch it and the new collaboration

◼   ► glyph pulses like if it gets a little

◼   ► bigger and smaller I don't know if it

◼   ► ever stops pulsing cuz in the video we

◼   ► tap sit right away right but if you tap

◼   ► it it takes you to this little video

◼   ► that shows you like oh the collaborate

◼   ► feature and it sort of does this

◼   ► wordless animation showing you how

◼   ► collaboration might work it's pretty

◼   ► good animation that communicates without

◼   ► too much text kind of what collaboration

◼   ► does it has a brief explanation but then

◼   ► shows you a bunch of thing I don't know

◼   ► it I think you kind of already have to

◼   ► know how collaboration works to

◼   ► understand what a video frankly but

◼   ► that's I mean I don't know if I like

◼   ► that better than the overlay but I guess

◼   ► it's certainly trying to be more subtle

◼   ► I just can imagine people launching the

◼   ► app and going why's that button pulsing

◼   ► especially if it doesn't stop or if it

◼   ► does stop you might think you're you

◼   ► know going a little bit mad that like I

◼   ► could swear last time I launched his

◼   ► application part of the toolbar was

◼   ► pulsing sure I wasn't under cold

◼   ► medicine or anything anyways I just

◼   ► thought it was interesting

◼   ► here's Apple trying alternate solutions

◼   ► to scribbling over screen with a bunch

◼   ► of arrows so keep trying Apple we are

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