The Incomparable

125: Kiss the Elf


  the incomparable number 125 January 2013 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast when you last [TS]

  heard us we were midway through our [TS]

  discussion of the lord of the rings [TS]

  movies i showed remarkable restraint in [TS]

  only making two episodes instead of [TS]

  three or four or five or six like Peter [TS]

  Jackson would do but we should jump back [TS]

  into it so that uh so that I'm not [TS]

  tempted like being tempted by the power [TS]

  of the Ring the power of splitting [TS]

  podcasts in two more episodes is strong [TS]

  so too here to save me from the tip that [TS]

  temptation are the members of my [TS]

  fellowship indian taco is here hi Andy [TS]

  your father wanted you to have this when [TS]

  you're old enough I'm sorry about [TS]

  ecology hmm i'm very confused now Dan [TS]

  Moore and help me out [TS]

  oh I'm just glad i got to sleep for a [TS]

  couple hours before this we started [TS]

  talking about the second part that's it [TS]

  would be exhausting to do it all [TS]

  everywhere in the world before we start [TS]

  talking about this [TS]

  no Andy I don't drive people see I don't [TS]

  remember the shower only when the Ellis [TS]

  the elves were still in the world then I [TS]

  told you that this journey was going to [TS]

  damage or destroy you you did not would [TS]

  not could not believe me I know yaar my [TS]

  fingers now o.o and that Hobbit that [TS]

  habit i do not trust that Hobbit strict [TS]

  see hobbitses that bugs body or column [TS]

  rascally rabbits though it's Elmer Fudd [TS]

  it's john syracuse hi John do not meddle [TS]

  in the affairs of handy because he is [TS]

  subtle and quick to anger [TS]

  well you've got a million of its great [TS]

  head that that's not going to be my new [TS]

  twitter like description that's their [TS]

  ego and cleanse leishman is also here he [TS]

  knows Elvis and we don't [TS]

  oh I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention i [TS]

  was forging more brings up our want me [TS]

  guys reason or no and you around if I [TS]

  had a ring of power i would become [TS]

  terrible and beautiful [TS]

  if i had a good a hammer I'd hammer out [TS]

  some rings of power you put those up on [TS]

  etsy you get this big long story about [TS]

  how you were trying to make these in the [TS]

  roads but you just bordering this for a [TS]

  supplier in China 11 i'm sick of [TS]

  pretending for were made for the elves [TS]

  nine were made for men and 15 were made [TS]

  for SC the 15 million QVC got a shipment [TS]

  of a hundred and fifty i like i like the [TS]

  alternate version of lord of the ring [TS]

  I swear or Gandalf throws the ring into [TS]

  the fire the very beginning and it just [TS]

  melts in these look right does its job [TS]

  well done [TS]

  unfortunately that didn't happen and so [TS]

  now we need to talk more about the lord [TS]

  of the ring now let's go shoot a [TS]

  nine-hour shifts comedy with so treating [TS]

  jerry not well one of the things that i [TS]

  would say was a strong traumatic change [TS]

  in the movies over the books and I [TS]

  appreciate it and actually going back at [TS]

  times in fact i did this when watching [TS]

  it recently and checked the book to [TS]

  remind me of the scene because the scene [TS]

  in the movie is so strong is that in the [TS]

  book Saruman is an important character [TS]

  is often the background off to the side [TS]

  he sort of another malicious force until [TS]

  they actually confront him and organic [TS]

  off will recall meeting with mr we know [TS]

  he was reticent at the White council and [TS]

  the hobbit era and whatever in the [TS]

  movies when they decided they brought [TS]

  much father but much closer to four and [TS]

  made him the big villain as a proxy for [TS]

  Sarang as you move through the movies [TS]

  and I think it worked very well so when [TS]

  they're climbing the mountain the past [TS]

  of colorado colorado ass across the the [TS]

  mines of moria below they're trying to [TS]

  go across the mountain is opposing them [TS]

  in the books [TS]

  it's the mountain the mountain sort of [TS]

  part of that sense of evil it's signed [TS]

  so forth in the movie they have this [TS]

  great thing of of Christopher Lee [TS]

  standing on top of our of you know of [TS]

  the our thang camera or thank Thor thank [TS]

  it which is a North is beautifully [TS]

  conceived of it is exactly how I thought [TS]

  of it from the books and stay there and [TS]

  stealing their instant orrible island [TS]

  about over you know it [TS]

  speaking of these words of power and [TS]

  creating the storm that is traveling [TS]

  across all of middle-earth to prevent [TS]

  them across the past that's great movie [TS]

  making is a great thing because you [TS]

  can't just have in the fellowship [TS]

  specifically everything is against the [TS]

  rocks the trees the land the earth the [TS]

  markings the orcs and in this to have [TS]

  one malicious force and then I think [TS]

  there's other elements as well we're [TS]

  Saruman is directly engaged in opposing [TS]

  them the the scene in row and row and [TS]

  two towers where the garden is under [TS]

  warm tongues you know control [TS]

  essentially you seen this old man is a [TS]

  wonderful this i think the most [TS]

  evocative scene in the movie it's be [TS]

  full and it's also a terrific scene in [TS]

  the book and I went and read the scene [TS]

  in the book and realize it's completely [TS]

  different in many ways as Gandalf goes [TS]

  in there he has his staff in the movie [TS]

  and the staff is an important thing and [TS]

  he's battling Saruman the movie Saruman [TS]

  has essentially put a spell over theta [TS]

  and he says I will draw you from him [TS]

  like poison from a wound and does this [TS]

  thing and then you sort of knock [TS]

  ceremony you cut back to or thanks [TS]

  either Monacan is asked come back there [TS]

  when you watch the King become younger [TS]

  and stand up and resume is sort of what [TS]

  has been removed the and social event [TS]

  and the book it's a more gradual process [TS]

  of Saruman is not mentioned his words [TS]

  may have poison but the King gradually [TS]

  comes back to himself over the course of [TS]

  a number of pages and I think of all the [TS]

  things they did I think that's one of [TS]

  the best enhancements because it's not [TS]

  that Saruman becomes the focus of the [TS]

  films but it's more like it makes sense [TS]

  there are things in the book where you [TS]

  feel like there's just too much evil in [TS]

  too much sort of in coey action going on [TS]

  and to have him actually directing it [TS]

  and then for him to be defeated you have [TS]

  this point well now we are now stepping [TS]

  forward we're going into the might of [TS]

  Sauron in Mordor now a wonderfully done [TS]

  all that stuff kind of works in the book [TS]

  when the whole world is against you like [TS]

  this nameless evil where is it moving [TS]

  you don't you when you met do a movie [TS]

  adaptation you have to say okay we need [TS]

  an actual antagonist we can't be in a [TS]

  book you have plenty of time to describe [TS]

  the evilness of the roots of those trees [TS]

  and all that because not everything [TS]

  being against you you can you can [TS]

  actually convey that the trees hit men [TS]

  for whatever is in the hit man because [TS]

  you've got you down for narration [TS]

  basically in the book you have the [TS]

  writer writing stuff and you can [TS]

  describe in the movie you either have to [TS]

  have a literal narrator which is usually [TS]

  death or you have to say well let's just [TS]

  have an actual antagonist then we'll [TS]

  make it Saruman so yeah that's that's [TS]

  what you gotta do when you make [TS]

  something a movie those are they made a [TS]

  lot of good choices in the adaptation [TS]

  but all those choices necessarily make [TS]

  it different from the book because the [TS]

  book it's not like one of those books [TS]

  sometimes I read a book and I'm like [TS]

  this could be a movie just take it right [TS]

  off the page throw it on the screen it's [TS]

  a movie boom is Lord of the Rings is not [TS]

  one of those books at all i think we can [TS]

  argue the Balrog is actually also [TS]

  well-conceived because even though it's [TS]

  that scene is nearly word identical to [TS]

  the book they did the thing where you [TS]

  don't see it as distinctly they didn't [TS]

  say oh here [TS]

  balrog you know we all know that from [TS]

  dnd with a ball gag is I had the monster [TS]

  manual let's bring one out folks [TS]

  ladies and gentlemen the Balrog I think [TS]

  that's one of my favorite scenes in the [TS]

  movie is that you bring him out he's [TS]

  still you can't see him exactly again of [TS]

  spending on you like this poor old man [TS]

  we've thought of his without his powers [TS]

  like oh he can actually battle this huge [TS]

  thing all rocky you know it's a great [TS]

  that that was of my favorite part of [TS]

  showing these movies to my son was we [TS]

  have I remember I remember if we had [TS]

  taken a break between discs or not but [TS]

  of course you know so fellowship ends [TS]

  and Gandalf is gone and everything and [TS]

  two towers opened an office in the very [TS]

  opening but somewhere near the very [TS]

  beginning to terrorists like they take [TS]

  you back to hey remember Gandalf falling [TS]

  down the pit guess what he's falling and [TS]

  he's next to this guy and that was that [TS]

  that's how you know the Gandalf is back [TS]

  and he was so excited to see that like [TS]

  it's a reminds me the beginning of [TS]

  castle in the sky where they show that [TS]

  the girl falling off of the the airship [TS]

  and the credits roll then they resumed [TS]

  on her fall and also that you come back [TS]

  to this movie and it's like guess what [TS]

  he's fallen down to put that wasn't the [TS]

  end of him falling down with the Balrog [TS]

  it's a really deep pit and they're [TS]

  fighting as they fall they're means that [TS]

  was photo was having a dream which I [TS]

  forgot until I saw the films that [TS]

  they've struck that that he wakes and so [TS]

  you don't you see him fall you see that [TS]

  whole part and you get that emotional [TS]

  resonance of the end of the film you [TS]

  know the end of that part and then or of [TS]

  the ghetto get enough said i should say [TS]

  and then they break away so you can [TS]

  often tell it later when he meets yeah [TS]

  it is somewhere in the second movie like [TS]

  if you had been waiting between the [TS]

  movies but of course he's not waiting in [TS]

  the movies he just we got to see the end [TS]

  of our and then the next one like at [TS]

  some point they show you like and it's [TS]

  like resuming in progress that you [TS]

  thought it was the end but like it when [TS]

  people fall into bottomless pits like [TS]

  well the bottomless when they still be [TS]

  fine guess what he was still falling and [TS]

  while he was falling he was still [TS]

  fighting the rotten that was an exciting [TS]

  scene [TS]

  can we all at least agree that gandalf [TS]

  the grey is way cooler than getting off [TS]

  the way to as a giant staff opens but [TS]

  again off the White has things to [TS]

  recommend off the white is boring he's [TS]

  too powerful guess when she's beautiful [TS]

  and get off the grace to Bigfoot bigger [TS]

  hippie yeah I love Gandalf the Grey he's [TS]

  got character homespun close smokes a [TS]

  lot of pot he's got he's got a fireworks [TS]

  on the side he lives off of this like [TS]

  okay [TS]

  Gandalf the White has an important job [TS]

  to do again dealing with geopolitics and [TS]

  important Bigfoot off and get off the [TS]

  great just want to hang out with [TS]

  hobbits he's the Hillary Clinton of the [TS]

  shower using his fireworks are neither [TS]

  safe nor say Mandy the Wizards are [TS]

  fascinating thing I think in the books [TS]

  too because unless you read in the [TS]

  background material they make no sense [TS]

  in the books other like yeah we came out [TS]

  of the west and we've been here a long [TS]

  time and yep that's it we got some [TS]

  amount of power but not tell you what [TS]

  it's like I started reading the [TS]

  wikipedia entry on the wizards and holy [TS]

  crap is that confusing really the best [TS]

  surgeon in a book in the book I get the [TS]

  sense that the Wizards you know in in [TS]

  the book they say the Wizards are not [TS]

  humans [TS]

  the Wizards are not writing the Wizards [TS]

  our own rather race of of of people and [TS]

  in the movies [TS]

  it's just like the Wizards are guys with [TS]

  powers right they're all there just [TS]

  magic guys where they live forever and [TS]

  they know their thousands of years old [TS]

  and their powers are incredibly [TS]

  inconsistent like you're half the time [TS]

  you're like Gandalf do just like Wizard [TS]

  this you know with this crap to take [TS]

  care of it but he can whisper to the [TS]

  butterfly which then works great Chinese [TS]

  equals a damn hippie way you think he's [TS]

  a pretty badass and then like you know [TS]

  the than the witch-king shows up at the [TS]

  end is like I'm gonna break her staff [TS]

  can explore that a Booma no man can [TS]

  defeat him then that was assured i had [TS]

  to have a lot of progress that i read [TS]

  that in Macbeth the fields of pellet [TS]

  very nice the fields of Pellinor will [TS]

  also in the trees from tons of Maine [TS]

  woods [TS]

  yeah that sounds amazing right the trees [TS]

  come I don't know man born of woman man [TS]

  born of woman in the trees will come to [TS]

  forget what this is for Shakespeare [TS]

  podcast save that for no no it's in the [TS]

  believe it the home steep the trees come [TS]

  to the home steep so it's just like [TS]

  mcbath I'm sorry it's the trees of [TS]

  burning wood come towards Dunsinane just [TS]

  to get it right sign Shakespeare fans [TS]

  are gonna be I know what any of them [TS]

  hey I I got an idea let's talk about the [TS]

  performances in this movie a good idea [TS]

  Jason John Syracuse's suggested that i [TS]

  do that that's a wonderful idea [TS]

  it is John do you want to talk about the [TS]

  performances together started when [TS]

  you've got people in roles like this [TS]

  like that the script for the most part [TS]

  is set down like they're gonna have to [TS]

  say what they're gonna have to say it's [TS]

  going to be Lord of the Rings stuff even [TS]

  the lines aren't right from the book [TS]

  there's no really getting around the [TS]

  fact [TS]

  you're going to talk about magic and use [TS]

  lots of weird words & hobbies are going [TS]

  to talk about habits so it's like it's [TS]

  what you do with the material we talked [TS]

  about like you know Han Solo you know [TS]

  saying laugh it up fuzzball and you can [TS]

  sell that line is not a well-written [TS]

  line but you know he could sell it and I [TS]

  so I'm judging these people by how well [TS]

  did you sell the kind of silly sounding [TS]

  out of context Swiss cheese lines that [TS]

  you were given did i believe your [TS]

  performance um I'm not let you guys talk [TS]

  about who you thought but I just want to [TS]

  start with my least favorite performance [TS]

  in the entire series this is kind of a [TS]

  shame because he is the main character [TS]

  Elijah Wood operatic I do not like him [TS]

  totally agree i do not know how does a [TS]

  good job at destroido I he's not a bad [TS]

  actor he does his best with what he's [TS]

  given but he just does not read this [TS]

  photo to me and I don't know why he just [TS]

  doesn't it's not it's not that it's not [TS]

  that he for me something he was bad it's [TS]

  just that he was not my feet up in a [TS]

  movie weather so many characters that [TS]

  actors that really managed to nail [TS]

  things with Elijah Wood the only thing [TS]

  that I didn't like is that ok he's gonna [TS]

  get the easy at some point he reaches [TS]

  down deep inside and he flips that [TS]

  switch is ok and time to get my browser [TS]

  my eyes and I'm looking at this and I'm [TS]

  going to get my brows another one of my [TS]

  scouts that he's got it Sam expression [TS]

  he's got his ring expression like it and [TS]

  the reason i really like him because he [TS]

  has the he has the pivotal scene in the [TS]

  entire movie where he changes his mind [TS]

  about the ring and by that point I was [TS]

  like I just shot on here I don't believe [TS]

  that you've changed your mind or that [TS]

  you've struggled with this ring at all [TS]

  it's so heavy oh is it [TS]

  I mean it's just he just and it really [TS]

  really hurts me because that part of the [TS]

  books sam and frodo going through more [TS]

  on doing that thing works for me in the [TS]

  book and I don't like him in the movie [TS]

  I don't know if I agree with that [TS]

  entirely i think that he and sean astin [TS]

  managed to pull out some some otherwise [TS]

  some scenes that we've all agreed are [TS]

  kind of dull and boring you know it yes [TS]

  he's not he's not giving the most [TS]

  interesting material to work with and [TS]

  his role is basically that of martyr for [TS]

  the second two books especially [TS]

  pronounced Mordor no way at the bottom [TS]

  are thorns [TS]

  for everybody he does he has he only has [TS]

  he's like the kristen stewart in this [TS]

  movie he only had a few naughty Matt's [TS]

  pretty that's pretty rough man you may [TS]

  already be seeing have just one [TS]

  expression he's like 4 i'm gonna agree I [TS]

  agree with John i was so tired I'd [TS]

  forgotten and i don't think i'd watch [TS]

  the whole sequence for a couple years [TS]

  and I forgotten how much I just blank [TS]

  out on Elijah Wood ways instead on [TS]

  screen because he's got the sloggi [TS]

  scenes and he's just I don't know I its [TS]

  photo is stronger in the books and I [TS]

  think it works but it has to be strong [TS]

  enough yeah because you have to see his [TS]

  strength away from you have to see him [TS]

  lose instead of Weathertop he [TS]

  practically gives up the fight or his [TS]

  eyes rolled back in his head again and [TS]

  he puts the ring on your like if it's [TS]

  that easy he doesn't get to Mordor you [TS]

  just seem awfully weak and that scene [TS]

  right yeah and and the two of them like [TS]

  Sam Sam holds up his weight more than [TS]

  Frodo and the same photo relationship in [TS]

  the movie but even I mean he does his [TS]

  gimmick his performance a little gamey [TS]

  to what's-his-name sean astin anybody [TS]

  does better than photo of the two of [TS]

  them like they're they're such a tough [TS]

  little like tough little plumbers and in [TS]

  the book and in the movies they're just [TS]

  two guys so so whatever so who's your [TS]

  favorite I'm not favorite performances [TS]

  from other people [TS]

  I'd say favorite is a I think Viggo [TS]

  Mortensen oh yeah I loved him sir he [TS]

  certainly commits to that role yet again [TS]

  that is that he had that man is a method [TS]

  actor like he is he's like a Daniel [TS]

  day-lewis right like I think he just [TS]

  totally he totally embraces it totally [TS]

  rolls with it LOL i wouldn't go Daniel [TS]

  day-lewis maybe I'm just saying I i [TS]

  think i think from an element of you [TS]

  know you're talking about people who can [TS]

  spew nonsense and sound like it's [TS]

  actually they're actually talking about [TS]

  something real [TS]

  I think he does a great job with a role [TS]

  that as a ton of jargon and yet he looks [TS]

  like he just completely believes in it [TS]

  but Peter Jackson decided that he was [TS]

  the most relatable character essentially [TS]

  for mainstream audiences in action [TS]

  fantasy movie and and and so you know [TS]

  aragorn's like the main character of the [TS]

  movie in many ways hehe has I think he [TS]

  doesn't have the weight the emotional [TS]

  weight of of photos journey but he has [TS]

  much more to do throughout is more [TS]

  boring in the book that isn't [TS]

  yeah he's very tedious in the book it's [TS]

  a decision I mean when they decided to [TS]

  make this make these movies and have the [TS]

  big action scenes and all of that you [TS]

  know the decision is that one through [TS]

  line will be Frodo and Sam in the ring [TS]

  and and column and the other one is the [TS]

  the awesome adventures of a record right [TS]

  and and and i think Viggo Mortensen does [TS]

  a great job he does have a little bit of [TS]

  personal struggle to like to give them a [TS]

  little bit of personal struggle with [TS]

  like do I want this crown and like do I [TS]

  want to change i'll hit my elbow [TS]

  girlfriend will do they even put him [TS]

  puts the hand over the ring which I [TS]

  don't think it happens in the at the end [TS]

  of fellowship I don't think aragorn [TS]

  never directly confront taking the ring [TS]

  and he does not think it's a great [TS]

  little if it's in addition which i think [TS]

  it is it's a great little bit where he [TS]

  everyone is obliged to come to confront [TS]

  the ring in the movie [TS]

  not everyone is obliged to the books to [TS]

  say that's not mine i have its put in [TS]

  front of me you know fair mirrors [TS]

  rejection is very critical obviously but [TS]

  aragorn's in the movie i think it's just [TS]

  the same he took his chance he said ok [TS]

  let's go to go away and moves on to his [TS]

  own story [TS]

  well and I think you give the fact that [TS]

  they do a good job of though he is you [TS]

  know a good-looking guy he also comes [TS]

  across with it a certain amount of [TS]

  menace and over cute especially in his [TS]

  introduction [TS]

  there's a certain amount of you know [TS]

  scariness German I remember I remember [TS]

  watching the the trailer for the first [TS]

  time and i was looking at me like I was [TS]

  kind of rough in my friend Jen who is [TS]

  like dyed-in-the-wool diehard Lord of [TS]

  the Rings fan was like come on all that [TS]

  is gold does not glitter which is the [TS]

  the target line from the from the other [TS]

  poem and I think Viggo does a good job [TS]

  of also selling the fact that that [TS]

  aragorn in the movies is a competent [TS]

  warfighter my keys [TS]

  he's able he's he's he's not like a [TS]

  pretty boy like like some people he [TS]

  sells the fact that this guy is this is [TS]

  the guy who would be dangerous with a [TS]

  sword because he's been using a sword [TS]

  his entire life and you don't want to [TS]

  get into a fight with him like I really [TS]

  believe the heel and it's not ceremonial [TS]

  right that he is the match of five works [TS]

  i totally buy that from his performance [TS]

  because he's so severe and you know [TS]

  seriously everybody that he is a little [TS]

  bit goes into a little bit of [TS]

  self-parody but again the things he has [TS]

  to say those wonderful line that [TS]

  wonderful 12 that I think is directly [TS]

  from the books which is I think he would [TS]

  look you know I don't think he's an [TS]

  agent more [TS]

  barbie is a tricky would it look they [TS]

  would look fairer and seen Fowler yep [TS]

  that's line right i think it's also [TS]

  right from the book at it they drop [TS]

  those in there and sometimes it's like [TS]

  oh wait hey that talking i had a way [TS]

  with words out back to the script so so [TS]

  might my pick for a and I was just [TS]

  trying to think who do I think is the [TS]

  best performance in this in this movie [TS]

  i'm super nerd he'll as made and I think [TS]

  partially this is because he's got a [TS]

  really interesting story arc that he [TS]

  begins this kind of he's been enchanted [TS]

  by Wormtongue and he's all confused and [TS]

  all but I i get the sense with him that [TS]

  he has a you know he has a lot that he [TS]

  has to think about and that i really [TS]

  like that he he's a good man but he's [TS]

  got a lot of responsibilities and he's [TS]

  not entirely sure that the request that [TS]

  everybody else is going is the bet he [TS]

  has to be convinced that it's the best [TS]

  thing for his kingdom because he's [TS]

  concerned he knows what his job is he [TS]

  receives resigned to death twice in this [TS]

  ya series of movies once at helm's deep [TS]

  and then he can and he agrees after that [TS]

  say alright I'll go down with us other [TS]

  place [TS]

  yeah yeah and it's a it's a really [TS]

  interesting character you know he's not [TS]

  one of the main characters but you get [TS]

  that sense of weight that this is a man [TS]

  who you know first off he had this [TS]

  terrible you know enchantment thing [TS]

  happened to him but that he was a good [TS]

  man before he's a good man again he's [TS]

  really concerned about his people [TS]

  he's skeptical of the whole the [TS]

  obviously the relationship between Rohan [TS]

  and Gondor has cooled over the years [TS]

  right so he's like why should we [TS]

  you know why should we take care of [TS]

  Gondor if they don't they don't take [TS]

  care of us [TS]

  it's just it's a really interesting [TS]

  performance and yes indeed he dies at [TS]

  the end inter said and there isn't a [TS]

  field and works I think it's because [TS]

  unlike Gondor of Rohan is populated [TS]

  gatineau in unison Gondor but it's like [TS]

  it's like you know / DC it's like a [TS]

  bunch of monuments but then I guess [TS]

  tourists in ghost town is in the [TS]

  mountains that strip for fair point in [TS]

  the movies that was the weirdest thing [TS]

  is given that they could have populated [TS]

  stuff with CGI yonder has enormous [TS]

  population is shrunken but Rohan has [TS]

  fewer number of people but in the movies [TS]

  they portrayed it as if Gondor was [TS]

  totally depopulated which was alright [TS]

  and that's why you feel about the [TS]

  identities like he's he's responsible [TS]

  for all these people they're all looking [TS]

  to him and is on there on this week's [TS]

  web tail and it's cold and they're all [TS]

  die and you know we're gonna go to this [TS]

  this keep and just hope the orcs don't [TS]

  tell us in the night and you know i like [TS]

  that performance I you know if there's a [TS]

  lot of dignity and and and just wait to [TS]

  to that character that I really like and [TS]

  I'm reminded I'm surprised by watching [TS]

  something know right because he's just [TS]

  suppose with john noble who has a who [TS]

  has a a tougher task if his just chewing [TS]

  the scenery and you know I like John [TS]

  Noble and some fringe and it's great [TS]

  mall but you compare his his his his [TS]

  stuff to Bernard hill it's like I'm [TS]

  always pleasantly surprised by fade and [TS]

  what an interesting and and [TS]

  multi-dimensional character is that he's [TS]

  a little more time you he does get more [TS]

  time and he gets more time where he's [TS]

  not completely just crazy and what [TS]

  you're suggesting you wouldn't set [TS]

  himself on fire and throw himself off [TS]

  the wall it so it is actually rare in [TS]

  lots of movies it's rare to see somebody [TS]

  who you can tell that they that this [TS]

  character has their own motivations and [TS]

  they may be a cross purposes with a plot [TS]

  and the characters that we like in the [TS]

  movie and it's not that they're a [TS]

  villain it's just that they they aren't [TS]

  motivated in the same way and they have [TS]

  to work out what they really think about [TS]

  what's going on in that they didn't [TS]

  really does that and Bernard healthcare [TS]

  set off so I can get a really great [TS]

  character his character is in this [TS]

  product I think this is where Bernard [TS]

  helped raise him so well and I think the [TS]

  script serves and well is he's a man [TS]

  he's a king is a leader but he's a man [TS]

  among what he seems as you know God's [TS]

  and legends there's the wizard there's [TS]

  hobbits and elves and you know god no [TS]

  then there's you know the the return of [TS]

  the king is the guy who is the direct [TS]

  descendant man of nĂºmenor this whole [TS]

  thing in the book and then Bernard [TS]

  humanize that's like he's like I don't [TS]

  even know if I'm worthy to be mentioned [TS]

  among you know my predecessors and he [TS]

  finds that in himself even though you [TS]

  know because he needs to for his people [TS]

  it's a great job other other [TS]

  performances to praise from people [TS]

  cate blanchett i love k planchette [TS]

  didn't she do all four scenes in in like [TS]

  with the camera sped up so that they're [TS]

  in slow motion no did she really she [TS]

  doesn't actually talk like is that they [TS]

  actually the way the way they shot for [TS]

  seems to make her seem kind of ethereal [TS]

  is a shot at with the camera running a [TS]

  higher frame rate and slowed it down and [TS]

  then she read up your dialogue but that [TS]

  the whole idea was to make [TS]

  seemed almost like out of step from [TS]

  everybody else and that's why she's all [TS]

  but what's funny [TS]

  so what I'll say about that character is [TS]

  she's pulled their couple scenes that I [TS]

  really like i like where she she [TS]

  basically says if i take the ring I you [TS]

  know you think I'm all pretty and [TS]

  wonderful but i would be a terrible [TS]

  terrible we were right the end she also [TS]

  gives her her scene with gimli where [TS]

  he's you know talk about stupid else [TS]

  they don't know and then he stole my [TS]

  lady you're so beautiful and she gives [TS]

  him [TS]

  it turns out she gives him 13 her hair's [TS]

  me he asks he asks for it that's what he [TS]

  wants when he was one she gives him [TS]

  three right but that that's really sweet [TS]

  scene and it's funny because it that [TS]

  character [TS]

  those are the little notes that you get [TS]

  that fill out that character because she [TS]

  doesn't have a lot to do i also see from [TS]

  for me as a super geek well it you know [TS]

  an electric performance quite a bit i [TS]

  thought they may try to to put her in I [TS]

  mean she becomes the connective tissue [TS]

  and then issues a narrator for the [TS]

  opening bit and fellowship of the rings [TS]

  which is and they use her character [TS]

  better i think to enhance the fact that [TS]

  there's no more than one woman in the [TS]

  movies which is hard to see Chiefs all [TS]

  over the place and using a bit in the [TS]

  hobbit I think that way there are three [TS]

  as well there are three words for there [TS]

  are three wins a win [TS]

  galadriel and our went up our when live [TS]

  for one and uh but I thought I thought [TS]

  she got the tone just right is that [TS]

  there's this odd thing about the elves [TS]

  have reserved essentially three kingdoms [TS]

  we only see two of them and where [TS]

  everything is in the past they should [TS]

  rivendell that way they shoot shoot my [TS]

  camera team of it they shoot lorien that [TS]

  way as well or in that it looks like [TS]

  it's out of keeping and they make her [TS]

  even more ethereal but then she's [TS]

  brought the earth she's given that [TS]

  moment and I thought planets performance [TS]

  of that was great as a super geek super [TS]

  talking pan that is something that is [TS]

  deeply rooted that moment is traced back [TS]

  when she turns down the ring is traced [TS]

  back to practically the the early [TS]

  history that token set in that she's a [TS]

  descendant of you know someone who [TS]

  basically caused the elves to leave who [TS]

  allowed the great evil to come in the [TS]

  middle earth and her moment of rejecting [TS]

  that in the book is one of the key [TS]

  moments I think [TS]

  he played the scene well I think she [TS]

  played it well and it comes across as [TS]

  being something more than just know she [TS]

  turned on the ring like everybody else [TS]

  does I will diminish that's what she [TS]

  says this [TS]

  yes she's gonna go in the West going to [TS]

  the west and remain Galadriel another [TS]

  example of you passed the test [TS]

  I feel like we skipped override and [TS]

  miquelon who i think i dont i love i [TS]

  love his performances get off to me he [TS]

  is he's now you know forever burned in [TS]

  my mind as Gandalf he is the best [TS]

  headmaster of Hogwarts has ever had [TS]

  so you are your ways are we got [TS]

  criticism i want to know I i think is [TS]

  great scandal is fantastic [TS]

  he's great i mean i know that was one of [TS]

  my moments of concern when you know they [TS]

  started talking about filming The Hobbit [TS]

  was like well Jesus you know because you [TS]

  have someone else do this could you have [TS]

  someone else play Gandalf and I feel [TS]

  like for me it would have been it would [TS]

  have been weird it would like he's just [TS]

  so identified with that character in my [TS]

  head there's another great job of of [TS]

  inhabiting a character and arguably two [TS]

  characters depending on how you view [TS]

  grande off again off the gray and [TS]

  Gandalf the White he regenerates it's [TS]

  very doctor who yeah help it but it [TS]

  doesn't you may he manages to do a good [TS]

  job of keeping of keeping them distinct [TS]

  well yet clearly the same character it [TS]

  would have been a shame if he wasn't [TS]

  able to do the hobbit and michael gambon [TS]

  had to step in but you know no he it's [TS]

  great it's a great performance and I ido [TS]

  point I'm glad it was Christopher Lee a [TS]

  sarah man and and not Patrick Stewart [TS]

  because again i would be confused with [TS]

  other movies but it's a great it's a [TS]

  great performance and it's funny because [TS]

  he's been in all the genres stuff nobody [TS]

  is he's a great actor and you want that [TS]

  he got older English you know English [TS]

  experian actor with a lot of gravitas [TS]

  and yet and he has that and he also has [TS]

  all those really nice funny light [TS]

  touches as the gandalf the grey before [TS]

  he gets the staff up is but it's very [TS]

  warm and he has a couple someone in the [TS]

  chatroom pointed out the he gets a [TS]

  couple good lines and as Gandalf the [TS]

  White including in return of the king [TS]

  the don't say anything about aragorn or [TS]

  anything about the ring actually don't [TS]

  really say anything at all so the joss [TS]

  whedon dialogue section of the movie i [TS]

  know we're not talking about The Hobbit [TS]

  but there is a very little fun [TS]

  moment which is he goes into Bilbo's [TS]

  front parlor and knocks his head into [TS]

  the the chandelier area just like he [TS]

  does and I was like oh that's cute like [TS]

  you're making sure we're watching that [TS]

  we saw the other movies said alright I [TS]

  like a lot like Christopher Lee too [TS]

  although for a very different reason [TS]

  because he's he's like just awesome [TS]

  I think we're the reasons in mcallen [TS]

  come up is because he's so good in the [TS]

  role I don't even think of him as ian [TS]

  mckellen yeah i mean i was thinking like [TS]

  an added to its about a little portray [TS]

  and don't know you don't stand back from [TS]

  and go here enter the URL that's just [TS]

  his that's what that's what happens when [TS]

  you have an actress selling the lines [TS]

  like I gave you my least favorite one [TS]

  was Elijah Wood i'm not sure if he would [TS]

  be my favorite but he's close because he [TS]

  has to say ridiculous things to a he [TS]

  manages to say every single one of them [TS]

  and like in a way that's perfectly [TS]

  fitting with the character when he [TS]

  supposed to be like a rascal who loves [TS]

  hobbits you totally if his rascally was [TS]

  Earl of time between has to be dignified [TS]

  and Gandalf the White you believe him in [TS]

  that rolling at every stage like that [TS]

  doesn't seem like he's playing a role we [TS]

  don't we don't see his acting even when [TS]

  he says that crazy thing in Moorea which [TS]

  is a great scene one of the many great [TS]

  scenes was like I am the keeper of the [TS]

  secret flame I let you know you totally [TS]

  buy it which is not and then he does it [TS]

  but you're like it's actually it's you [TS]

  know that he's in the book you just like [TS]

  coast of canada says in the movie he [TS]

  sells it as he is reinforcing his own [TS]

  believe he has to remind himself who he [TS]

  is and then just to be able in the book [TS]

  in the lines are fly you fools [TS]

  he says it like wow that was great it's [TS]

  actually only that line still get a [TS]

  chill out such a great thing as a good [TS]

  actor he has a bright future in the [TS]

  industry i feel like he does and in the [TS]

  even the beginning when he's talking to [TS]

  Bilbo about the ring and you know Bilbo [TS]

  tries to keep it for a bit and you know [TS]

  where to use is afraid Gandalf is going [TS]

  to try to steal the ring for many does [TS]

  the whole draw himself up Bilbo Baggins [TS]

  right thats great lot of your country [TS]

  yeah we have other other positive things [TS]

  before we go back go back to the [TS]

  negative the pound-for-pound to your [TS]

  presentation because the volunteers are [TS]

  ridiculous device in the books i had to [TS]

  do a lot of pausing to explain those [TS]

  things like well because ok so there's [TS]

  magic in the books and there's lots of [TS]

  people being able to have [TS]

  visions and larger reality can see afar [TS]

  and they cut the secret Elvis rings like [TS]

  all this you know stuff permeating in [TS]

  the great eye of sauron can cast design [TS]

  see so there's all of this sort of [TS]

  far-seeing already but the palantir is [TS]

  the closest thing to like technology [TS]

  unlike the internet yeah they've got [TS]

  Wi-Fi on those crystal globe and that is [TS]

  it really is is very internetting is [TS]

  that it's a party-line dangerous party [TS]

  line that's more like a security camera [TS]

  this is this my first time I my first [TS]

  time watching the movies since reading [TS]

  dark tower and of course i said for John [TS]

  i started to give black 13 immediately [TS]

  which I had never made that connection [TS]

  before I don't [TS]

  yeah it's like it's like we said all [TS]

  these things that seem like there have [TS]

  been done before i thinkyeah in nineteen [TS]

  world could write exactly make much much [TS]

  later whatever clearly o modules do that [TS]

  but yeah well the but the the palantir I [TS]

  think the way they use them in the movie [TS]

  was more effective [TS]

  I mean obviously you can do it visually [TS]

  I understand that but even the way that [TS]

  I picture them being used that was sort [TS]

  of i have to say my own imagination was [TS]

  blender then what they did in the film [TS]

  where they used you know they're sort of [TS]

  burning flames of and they showed so [TS]

  having kind of hijack the network more [TS]

  effectively to is the original hacker he [TS]

  hijacked that palantir network and [TS]

  turned into his own ends but it's it's a [TS]

  more effective thing you can't do like [TS]

  in the books in any book at a magical [TS]

  item you can you can imbue a boring [TS]

  physical item with incredible medicine [TS]

  and import and the only reason the movie [TS]

  is visually unless you have narration [TS]

  because you can't spend an hour talking [TS]

  about the monitory Lian Yu [TS]

  I know but like it's not you have to [TS]

  change it for the movie like to convey [TS]

  the same sense of power i think you can [TS]

  get a lot of like again with the dark [TS]

  tower there's a lot of things in and [TS]

  stephen king books for example that have [TS]

  incredible menace to them and visually [TS]

  there's nothing interesting about that [TS]

  because it's all about the description [TS]

  and the the effects they have on the the [TS]

  internal mental dialogue with people [TS]

  that you just don't hear in movies well [TS]

  and in some ways you know the I mean a [TS]

  good counter examples of that is the [TS]

  ring right like which is you know that [TS]

  it has on visual effects in movies too [TS]

  but yeah it does but that's not the [TS]

  important part like that's so little of [TS]

  the time that you see the ring on screen [TS]

  i think is devoted to its effects are [TS]

  it's you know it's special presidency [TS]

  it's the the effect it has on the people [TS]

  who carry it and people around it and [TS]

  what makes them do i think is is far [TS]

  more interesting as a as an artifact [TS]

  right I can I say that a I know it's a [TS]

  thankless part but Liv Tyler not only is [TS]

  she the person who if you see your [TS]

  on-screen you can go to the bathroom if [TS]

  you're in the theater or even if you're [TS]

  not in the theater on your couch chicken [TS]

  arguing about the right now someone's [TS]

  someone's watching it somewhere in the [TS]

  world we posit no don't just let it [TS]

  right slamming on Dan mentioned on a [TS]

  recent podcasts that when m night [TS]

  shyamalan's name came up in the screen [TS]

  everybody boo'd 000 times that I saw [TS]

  fellowship of believers out twice and [TS]

  they're both times I saw in the theater [TS]

  when Liv Tyler appears on the screen [TS]

  everybody laughed and it's just because [TS]

  like at that particular moment in time [TS]

  when that movie was put out she was in [TS]

  that particular place in pop culture [TS]

  that seeing her as an like people [TS]

  because he was overexposed it's like oh [TS]

  it's live yeah and that laugh both times [TS]

  when she when she appeared which is a [TS]

  shame because it's not a bad performance [TS]

  she does she does find it's just that it [TS]

  was she just happened to be in that [TS]

  place in pop culture that we couldn't [TS]

  buy her is that person was great [TS]

  it's a thankless performance though it's [TS]

  a thankless reports because she she has [TS]

  nothing to do and I don't think she's a [TS]

  very good actress either so I don't [TS]

  think she's a bad actors I don't think [TS]

  she's even bad in this movie it's just [TS]

  the subject matter is not it's not a [TS]

  very good actress but that's the black [TS]

  hole smoothie went with that because [TS]

  that is a plot that I mean that that's [TS]

  where it feels calculated to me it's [TS]

  like we don't have it we need more [TS]

  female characters we need two more [TS]

  romantic elements we're gonna put in [TS]

  this subplot up about their relationship [TS]

  the flash-forward scene with their [TS]

  babies and the his coffin and everything [TS]

  I like that that was that that scene i [TS]

  liked right there trying to add to the [TS]

  movies that we have to have for [TS]

  something to do [TS]

  okay we can't just have to show up at [TS]

  the end anyway we're married now it's [TS]

  like who the hell is this [TS]

  that's what I'm doing the book [TS]

  practically that was like a nose like a [TS]

  minority report moment where it's like [TS]

  in the future if you stay you know he [TS]

  gets married he has a job [TS]

  oh my god i just always pictured the [TS]

  voice-over of the part where the kid [TS]

  wearing the necklace is like totally [TS]

  story the elf stuff where it feels like [TS]

  the old stuff you know again with with [TS]

  with galadriel a [TS]

  it feels like she's underwater in your [TS]

  underwater and it's all this weird slow [TS]

  kind of strange feeling that they do [TS]

  that with Liv Tyler too and it just [TS]

  feels like I'm being smothered to death [TS]

  because you can't carry cate blanchett [TS]

  can carry that often live Todd cannot [TS]

  yeah yeah exactly right and so you know [TS]

  it's not her fault and yet that that for [TS]

  me I so I i guess not the performance [TS]

  but the character and also good when [TS]

  she's on the horse with a sword i buy [TS]

  that are young 19 year old looking elf [TS]

  under on you know it's one hell of an [TS]

  entrance when they raided an enchanted [TS]

  grotto in in it you know in orange is [TS]

  wanting to her daddy that she wants to [TS]

  date the boy that she wants to date like [TS]

  it's too much of a cross over here all [TS]

  thousands of years old you is it is is [TS]

  this the second little mermaid [TS]

  comparison you've made a kickass [TS]

  characters well right yeah why don't you [TS]

  kiss [TS]

  don't be so much of your self just tease [TS]

  LOL well it's not good it's just not [TS]

  it's not only the song to encourage them [TS]

  to kiss the alphabets kissing the filthy [TS]

  humans that's the problem if they shave [TS]

  once in awhile maybe you know a one is [TS]

  an interesting character that I like [TS]

  that actress to it I really marine auto [TS]

  she's great is forced into this work [TS]

  into this actually think that the [TS]

  problem with the characters that she's [TS]

  forced into this kind of ridiculous [TS]

  pining over aragorn then I think I know [TS]

  you didn't like them and i thought i [TS]

  bought that because she really is [TS]

  trapped in this bad family / kingdom [TS]

  situation well that's true yeah [TS]

  apparently officer dead her surrogate [TS]

  father has been in a week on the throne [TS]

  her brother has been killed another [TS]

  brother because of fathers and sons [TS]

  mother is bones McCoy her brother her [TS]

  brother has been banished and is out [TS]

  with all the other horse guys riding [TS]

  around and Aaron comes in and like the [TS]

  arrogant as a way out for her so of [TS]

  course she's going to clean them and I [TS]

  like the fact that clean doesn't need [TS]

  anything because the only reason she was [TS]

  cleaning it was like well freedom he can [TS]

  lead me out of this life and and she [TS]

  what does I'd really to believe that she [TS]

  wants to be a warrior and stuff which is [TS]

  not easy to pull off your supposed to be [TS]

  like the pretty princess tiana supposed [TS]

  to believe you want to go off to war [TS]

  well I like that to do that very well [TS]

  she just seemed sharper to me to click [TS]

  she clung to aragorn I felt like for [TS]

  longer [TS]

  I would have liked to have seen her kind [TS]

  of figure figure out just as an elf [TS]

  girlfriend who put before sucking [TS]

  mortality or yes right third right so [TS]

  she should be like oh sorry [TS]

  he encouraged her more though in the in [TS]

  the movie and the book he's much cooler [TS]

  and fairer to her and he feels bad from [TS]

  the start because she can feel but she's [TS]

  the human link right she is she's the [TS]

  person he would marry and the movie [TS]

  Aragorn is torn too yeah it would marry [TS]

  her if she left if there are we didn't [TS]

  exist [TS]

  this is he would marry it's another [TS]

  Kingdom will be the right thing would be [TS]

  a good yeah [TS]

  merging of the people it's actually good [TS]

  match and he's torn over like do I [TS]

  really want to do this elf thing I'm IPC [TS]

  feels bad about like I'm keeping you [TS]

  here with me instead of going west with [TS]

  your family it's it's not [TS]

  yeah it's not my favorite part of it but [TS]

  i like that i really like that character [TS]

  and she had stuff to do and is [TS]

  interesting in a way that Liv Tyler is [TS]

  not able she has not she got nothing out [TS]

  is that no one picked the column because [TS]

  i remember when the movies were first [TS]

  out everyone was raving about columns [TS]

  performance in motion capture and I [TS]

  think you know cg is great in circles a [TS]

  good performance and everything but yeah [TS]

  what they have gone do in the movie [TS]

  feels a lot more not one note but let's [TS]

  say to note and the government the books [TS]

  feels and more multivariate to me [TS]

  easy easy you know he's a crack addict [TS]

  so he really is all about crack that the [TS]

  one ring addict [TS]

  nothing not thats circus shouldn't be [TS]

  praised for the job he did I just think [TS]

  that the people process the idea that oh [TS]

  well he got into the he got to the [TS]

  special suit with markers on it and then [TS]

  there is aimed the camera and they [TS]

  attract matter then that is simply [TS]

  basically dressed the model the [TS]

  wherewithal these motions that really I [TS]

  I think it kind of just diminishes the [TS]

  amount of work for the animators put [TS]

  into that character because you you the [TS]

  amount of work that has to be done to [TS]

  take that motion then I take the [TS]

  performance data and actually turn it [TS]

  into column is immense giving that [TS]

  episodes actually that was a conference [TS]

  with one of the lead animators on calm [TS]

  years ago and she was explained to me [TS]

  that well think that the the big problem [TS]

  was that column is a crack addict who [TS]

  weighs about 10 pounds he has no meat on [TS]

  his bones whatsoever is andy serkis is [TS]

  essentially [TS]

  essentially an athlete with muscle and [TS]

  bone and muscle and tissue and so what [TS]

  the legs we had to make sure that we had [TS]

  given these spindly legs that would sort [TS]

  of move in with each other and like move [TS]

  as though there's no flashes of any kind [TS]

  that was preventing those those those [TS]

  legs from doing things that no human [TS]

  legs would possibly do and that's the [TS]

  sort of this sort of maybe thinking okay [TS]

  guess I'm stupid and thinking that ok [TS]

  then just push record and then say okay [TS]

  let's just drag this with this is this [TS]

  capture file onto this model file and [TS]

  then exported to iMovie good whose squad [TS]

  for what yes that's what I think it's a [TS]

  lot of people were praying at the time [TS]

  was wow what a technical achievement and [TS]

  it was but now it's going with hindsight [TS]

  you can look RK technical achievement is [TS]

  fine and everything and we've done such [TS]

  a great job but let's just look at it as [TS]

  a character for you pretend I don't know [TS]

  how it was done how does that work and [TS]

  the character I field is flatter than [TS]

  like people like always [TS]

  what an amazing performances yeah you [TS]

  know he only especially with the the [TS]

  really very it struck me watching the [TS]

  blu-rays how pronounced they did these [TS]

  Smeagol versus Tom split yeah like I [TS]

  bought that the first couple times I saw [TS]

  but now my car I like maybe it's just [TS]

  watching them altogether my ok we get it [TS]

  yeah they do what they do it maybe one [TS]

  too many times but you know technically [TS]

  it is I I think it's one of the one of [TS]

  the most amazing cinematic achievement [TS]

  of the last you know maybe ever write [TS]

  the fact that this is a fully-realized [TS]

  character I i still think you're over [TS]

  him by the way talking about achievement [TS]

  something like well yeah the original yo [TS]

  shorty yes yes that's not what is there [TS]

  any other yo what are you talking about [TS]

  that [TS]

  touche your puppet is great but I mean [TS]

  that the fact that they they have a CGI [TS]

  character and it is my kids how do you [TS]

  think you know they did column and they [TS]

  said you know they had fit my I think my [TS]

  son said they found a very skinny man in [TS]

  put him in a little suit and and no he's [TS]

  from a computer entirely it its it's [TS]

  amazing calling himself yeah he you know [TS]

  he's a funny character he's a memorable [TS]

  character there's no doubt about it i [TS]

  mean tricksy hobbitses right that [TS]

  happens all [TS]

  yeah I bring I speak like Gollum [TS]

  frequently perhaps I've said too much [TS]

  but uh but he is he is a he has some [TS]

  plot points that he does he needs to be [TS]

  in [TS]

  tagme Stewie the only thing interesting [TS]

  happening in those sam and frodo scenes [TS]

  for God's sake so I mean that there when [TS]

  he has he has a tough job because he's [TS]

  trying to like keep it interesting keep [TS]

  the plate spinning and but yeah I mean [TS]

  he's he's a he's like a comic relief [TS]

  antagonist you don't know the other part [TS]

  that's like that was bred to reef [TS]

  playing as a pronounced to rephrase [TS]

  playing in a hour we're going to [TS]

  reference is playing in I don't know how [TS]

  you pronounce it I tell anyone and I [TS]

  were not in Spain as an Elvish do I [TS]

  plane were playing Grima Wormtongue in [TS]

  the books it's really ridiculous part i [TS]

  mean it's kind of like colony and its [TS]

  way and I think the more the one role [TS]

  that I think I like more than more watch [TS]

  the films is brad dourif that I think he [TS]

  is able to take a sort of ridiculous [TS]

  role where the guys serving two masters [TS]

  whatever and I think he actually pulls a [TS]

  lot of nobility out of this being a [TS]

  lickspittle partner i think i think [TS]

  that's more of a 10 character then a [TS]

  medium is no one remembers you remember [TS]

  the scene I don't know what's in the [TS]

  extended aim is Wormtongue well as names [TS]

  grima but why would you trust that guy [TS]

  don't forget name is warm time yeah [TS]

  don't have missed your advisee I've got [TS]

  my mind my advisors name is John bad [TS]

  advice like yeah exactly yeah whatever [TS]

  that guy said sign me up breakfast great [TS]

  but he's I've seen him to that he did it [TS]

  back 15 did the x-files it's what he [TS]

  does and he does it it's funny because [TS]

  he voices i play a video game right now [TS]

  where he plays use the voice actor of [TS]

  one of the characters it's like I came [TS]

  here I can see grateful working on every [TS]

  time I look it wasn't he didn't do that [TS]

  ruling doin also yeah well he was a [TS]

  mentat into a mental seemed he was a [TS]

  little nervous in turn he was a turncoat [TS]

  his name was a Phil backstabber i think [TS]

  was never used to typecast in roles that [TS]

  are just described by their character [TS]

  names he was the murderer Eugene tooms [TS]

  in the x-files so yeah this is what no [TS]

  he's that he's the guy that i love but [TS]

  he's a scene that I like with him know [TS]

  that I think is the best apartments [TS]

  services both the same with Saruman at [TS]

  the end when they both are killed but [TS]

  the one where he's talking to me when he [TS]

  has this discussion [TS]

  you know he's like where they always [TS]

  trying to sort of to seduce ER [TS]

  and I actually think it's a great little [TS]

  scene that's his moment that's another [TS]

  moment tube is that defines her [TS]

  character his moment is skeezy he's [TS]

  already squeezies it's a subtle moment [TS]

  you think that he may actually working [TS]

  her now I don't know haha i don't think [TS]

  that I don't know I'm 56 handle oh let's [TS]

  see that subtlety but he can't even [TS]

  stabbed Saruman right i don't know if [TS]

  people in the chat room are complaining [TS]

  about my saying yo was better than gamma [TS]

  want to address these people now Angela [TS]

  what you're gonna stand on a soapbox and [TS]

  address them [TS]

  well I have time to heat up a microwave [TS]

  pizza at the reason I say Yoda is is [TS]

  more impressive is because like is you [TS]

  know it's like wow computers are made [TS]

  like you have so much more freedom with [TS]

  a computer it's much more difficult to [TS]

  have a bunch of foam on a guy's hand and [TS]

  then buy it as a dramatic part than it [TS]

  is to do computers at this stage the [TS]

  technology was I'm saying that the [TS]

  achievement of making someone's hand [TS]

  shoved up into a doll with a phone leaf [TS]

  a muppet buying that is what is a much [TS]

  greater an amazing achievement then [TS]

  making gone with computers now the [TS]

  government also my puter she was [TS]

  everything to be just so much more [TS]

  freedom [TS]

  I mean like it yo get you can't even see [TS]

  his feet [TS]

  well that's a bit like CGI you know like [TS]

  the same problem every time you look at [TS]

  cgi you become you know painfully aware [TS]

  that it is CG on a sec I and I think you [TS]

  can soon that to a certain degree with [TS]

  God by agree with you I i mean i agree [TS]

  with you that I like you as a muppet [TS]

  because it's like so the in mcallen [TS]

  effect where it's like I don't see a [TS]

  puppet and I see Yoda and with gollum [TS]

  i'm still always in the back of my head [TS]

  aware that like it's not the Lighting's [TS]

  not quite right and it's the seat like [TS]

  I'm not as followed bothered by the [TS]

  helicopter shop but golem is very common [TS]

  very close but the promise column has to [TS]

  be human a little bit so like when i see [TS]

  you die say for all I know that alien [TS]

  skin looks exactly like foam rubber [TS]

  I think I i think the service between [TS]

  respect and admiration and actually [TS]

  thinking it's it's more solid I mean and [TS]

  it's just I'm I'm going to talk about [TS]

  Star Wars just as an illustration of [TS]

  this concept but i think that the Yoda [TS]

  puppet had at least as much person [TS]

  personality if not more than C driver [TS]

  conversion but the fact that they have [TS]

  the freedom to say well we if we were [TS]

  shooting a real actor we would have an [TS]

  establishing shot which he walks into [TS]

  the frame and then takes a position on [TS]

  it's a mark right in front of this [TS]

  person is going to talk to the ability [TS]

  to actually do that shot in CGI I think [TS]

  that's you know that that's a more solid [TS]

  choice and that's why column is a I [TS]

  think he's a more realized character [TS]

  than yoga was in public forum but you [TS]

  can't do column as a bunch more premium [TS]

  wordpress because of what he's asked to [TS]

  talk say I'm saying in terms of like [TS]

  being a being impressed by the [TS]

  technology [TS]

  I mean I think we need to advise cgi [TS]

  there's so much more you can do with me [TS]

  i'm impressed by the technology I just [TS]

  don't necessarily buy it as a former [TS]

  character it takes me out of it but i [TS]

  think the same thing with Jason was [TS]

  saying about the helicopter shot just [TS]

  like I'm aware of it but i but I am [TS]

  impressed i really i like him as a [TS]

  character i think between the hobbit [TS]

  version i'm sorry the the version in the [TS]

  movie The Hobbit and The version of the [TS]

  First Lord of the Rings movie because [TS]

  they were able to put a wire up that [TS]

  face so much better again and rig it so [TS]

  much better for the hobbit that there's [TS]

  that extra I I believed it was the first [TS]

  movie but when you compare the 2i didn't [TS]

  even think about how impressive this the [TS]

  CGI character was in the hobbit just ok [TS]

  there's column don't know how the dead [TS]

  and I don't have to think about how they [TS]

  did that that's just a really good life [TS]

  like character now is the time when I i [TS]

  believe as a fellowship we should [TS]

  consider going our separate ways and [TS]

  saying goodbye so i'm considering this [TS]

  the end of this episode [TS]

  what else what should we talk about I [TS]

  thought we had another hour to go but we [TS]

  do that was just the first ending [TS]

  oh shoot there's plenty more to talk i [TS]

  just want to work in semantics in in two [TS]

  hours we all get on a boat [TS]

  I want to talk about my favorite other [TS]

  seen the movie of my many favorite [TS]

  scenes the movie about seven favorite [TS]

  scenes there's 15 endings i have seven [TS]

  favorite seems like one or two hours [TS]

  telling the Battle of Pellinor fields i [TS]

  think is a wonderful thing it's true [TS]

  it's actually i think one of the most [TS]

  readable battle scenes in the book and [TS]

  it's it goes it has a lot of interesting [TS]

  detail and it tells the story very well [TS]

  even with so much actually on token [TS]

  tends to do like army generals he throws [TS]

  wave after wave of people in New York [TS]

  City [TS]

  other at times the movie does that too [TS]

  but pound or fields in the movie it it's [TS]

  you know it's sort of a crazy amount of [TS]

  action there's all the giant elephant [TS]

  monsters that come with the old fonts [TS]

  that come in and wave after wave of [TS]

  things happening but there's that bit [TS]

  with the race with the with the [TS]

  witch-king and wear ao when the reason [TS]

  that all different themes have come [TS]

  together you know something going back [TS]

  thousands of years now in the books [TS]

  mythology it all comes together and [TS]

  she's there for the right reason and [TS]

  mary poppins Pippin know Mary Pippin I [TS]

  can be one of those is it charlie was [TS]

  lost in the other ones that Mary was a [TS]

  pic but I've lost check out the scene [TS]

  we're talking about those guys hot in it [TS]

  and there's a guy with the brown mean [TS]

  Hobbit fathobbit Charlie from water any [TS]

  other arm huh anyway so they're one of [TS]

  the purposes there and he's got the [TS]

  sword in the books as Pippin I'm sorry [TS]

  Spencer he's got the sword in the books [TS]

  they described he got a sword in the tom [TS]

  bombadil seen that is the only thing [TS]

  that could possibly affect the [TS]

  witch-king so in the book at all comes [TS]

  together more but it still plays in the [TS]

  movie that you have this bit where the [TS]

  battle is going it goes back and forth [TS]

  you know it looks like everything that [TS]

  he lost us the moment you know in the [TS]

  movie can't happen there's going to be [TS]

  some kind of outcome and then we have [TS]

  students downfall he's knocked over the [TS]

  witch-king comes in the head ringwraith [TS]

  to sort of you know to finish him off [TS]

  and eat then i'll take the horse the [TS]

  whole thing [TS]

  scrape it and if anyone comes up it's [TS]

  more in the book she's hidden immunity [TS]

  for this long [TS]

  she is going to you know she's battles [TS]

  this guy and she lets the air out of the [TS]

  which case shasha g that she's got a big [TS]

  she's got the big flail he's gonna [TS]

  conquer this woman suddenly seems weak [TS]

  you know she's a shieldmaiden right and [TS]

  then Pippin just you know cuts his leg [TS]

  basically stabs him and kill she'll [TS]

  exactly exactly and that she's able to [TS]

  to kill him and then it suddenly like [TS]

  that's the turning they've got this [TS]

  great moment happens that's the turning [TS]

  of the tide and it's I think it's a [TS]

  wonderful thing that that seems not that [TS]

  I like the extended edition scene with [TS]

  the mouth of Sauron where aragorn's just [TS]

  decide what have had enough [TS]

  that's just cut it off as equipment gets [TS]

  better as a wonderful scene that doesn't [TS]

  read this thing on the the the the mouth [TS]

  which isn't quite right as a mouth is [TS]

  very creepy you have two big in the [TS]

  strange and optional lips move weird and [TS]

  it all is gonna be cooking mouth there's [TS]

  to cleanse favorite scenes from 41 [TS]

  Glenn's favorite since it's been great i [TS]

  really enjoyed being on the show and [TS]

  yeah it's been great but it's sadly it's [TS]

  time I think maybe we must all go into [TS]

  the West now and and because i'm feeling [TS]

  that the world is an end so we may have [TS]

  to all say goodbye [TS]

  what else we talked about was a deal [TS]

  with galadriel and Gandalf was that [TS]

  about I think you know what the deal i [TS]

  don't know i mean caliber when she [TS]

  married to and their ring bearers know [TS]

  she's I thought she was married to the [TS]

  other dude another guy in the forest [TS]

  Delabar and what everyone called him [TS]

  celery kill a boat but that's not the [TS]

  guy from the major celebrate the unabomb [TS]

  no no she never tell rod or one's wife [TS]

  was killed by works long ago [TS]

  what is true read the books man i did [TS]

  like 10 years ago his wife that's why he [TS]

  hates works [TS]

  do you ever wonder why L run hoods works [TS]

  so much everybody hates or does anybody [TS]

  like those on loves them hangs out with [TS]

  the lost found her sorry mom doesn't [TS]

  like works here's the thing about what I [TS]

  mean let's talk about orcs orcs are [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  they're really bad at their jobs they [TS]

  die very easily you have like a thousand [TS]

  orcs and five guys and they just kill [TS]

  the orcs there the stormtroopers of the [TS]

  lord of the rare the stormtroopers right [TS]

  so so so sorry Mon doesn't like works [TS]

  that's why he goes to all the trouble of [TS]

  cutting down all the trees and mining [TS]

  all the metal so he can make Eric I [TS]

  because or acai are actually kind of [TS]

  competent than warriors works you know [TS]

  we have they're there because the great [TS]

  warriors they dance from hockey and [TS]

  displays being a great performances as [TS]

  we were earlier can we just give a good [TS]

  hand to all the people who play the orc [TS]

  extras [TS]

  I got a UH you a great job there they're [TS]

  great no I love the ones especially the [TS]

  ones of lines would be with the crazy [TS]

  like New Zealand British accent and [TS]

  everything makeup is awesome on some of [TS]

  those do a great job with the makeup and [TS]

  all mia the physicality and everything [TS]

  of it i love that work like sergeant [TS]

  what was he the guy with the great [TS]

  misshapen head with the limp and then [TS]

  sort of half arm who sort of pink is [TS]

  like like colored like our [TS]

  sir and that giant stone comes lobbed [TS]

  anime stands aside because Jackson large [TS]

  databases got a blue one in the harlot [TS]

  my recollection traits but they are kind [TS]

  much scarier I just like I like this I [TS]

  like the simple ones like the one in in [TS]

  Mordor who takes a when when photos all [TS]

  tied up in the in the web I like you [TS]

  know I just I don't know if there's [TS]

  something he's kinda you know he's like [TS]

  he's like a London docket [TS]

  yeah yeah the mortar arcs have something [TS]

  going to them they have more of like a [TS]

  sniveling sneaky nature I feel like [TS]

  they're like the archivist big dumb [TS]

  brutes but the the more orcs like yeah [TS]

  they're wimpy and get our daily but like [TS]

  there's the guys their blue-collar orcs [TS]

  yet know about their they'll slit your [TS]

  throat in the night and steal your stuff [TS]

  and your livestock as the orcs are like [TS]

  hatch to like that's something that's [TS]

  only hinted at in the books and [TS]

  appendices never mentioned the books [TS]

  they have no women have sex with someone [TS]

  might have Tommy had 10 women apparently [TS]

  like everybody reproduces asexually or [TS]

  like buds or something I don't stephanie [TS]

  l so lov I just don't they don't [TS]

  reproduce heels look at each other with [TS]

  a smoldering passion for a couple years [TS]

  and then standing still a couple hundred [TS]

  years probably better than babies are [TS]

  born somehow somehow they have the [TS]

  dwarves build their children don't huge [TS]

  them know that the door for women you [TS]

  know look like if we're at your service [TS]

  we can't tell the difference where women [TS]

  have beards that's one of the better [TS]

  added lines that's from the books and [TS]

  we're trying to say positive things but [TS]

  like what something that comes up is the [TS]

  John cannot fight his nature mom what [TS]

  about John let it out when i watch these [TS]

  movies i know they're necessary for plot [TS]

  purposes but i always like to ponder [TS]

  like that we really need the ants I know [TS]

  that's sacrilege but like yeah because [TS]

  you do need them for so many important [TS]

  plot points but i don't think they come [TS]

  off well in the movie there's some funny [TS]

  you know i like i like the end meeting [TS]

  where there's the scene where my kids [TS]

  actually thought that was hilarious [TS]

  where they're saying good morning in a [TS]

  nighttime that's a funny bit and I'll i [TS]

  kinda like it when they get pissed off [TS]

  and they start throwing rocks at at [TS]

  Saruman [TS]

  other than the end in the end they're [TS]

  walking trees and like somehow that [TS]

  works better in the book is really does [TS]

  John is saying there John saying that he [TS]

  walks basically it [TS]

  well he's not quick be mean he's right [TS]

  that that uh that it you've got to [TS]

  portray them and that makes you have to [TS]

  have sentries and how the heck do you do [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah yeah I think they lose me a little [TS]

  bit that part where the the end the the [TS]

  young and steals the speeder bike and [TS]

  draws its alright [TS]

  actually it's it's exactly like return [TS]

  of the jedi x1 speeder bike it's the [TS]

  tree the tree is really angry with my [TS]

  brother it back i like that John [TS]

  rhys-davies gets double billing yes [TS]

  because he's game Lee and reappeared and [TS]

  Sawa wait they're digging in the wrong [TS]

  mines of moria oh that's good i got [TS]

  there yet far out man that I like them [TS]

  tired so I like mines of moria i really [TS]

  like that i think that the foreboding I [TS]

  Johnson looks like i said earlier but [TS]

  like the foreboding I like the comedy in [TS]

  the middle of it there's that there's a [TS]

  bit there's that quite part where I [TS]

  don't think i'll figure out where to go [TS]

  and and they and they see it always [TS]

  climbing and then he's like oh you know [TS]

  i like when Pip and knocks the thing [TS]

  down the well and it's just like keeps [TS]

  going [TS]

  oh he's like everybody thinks it's over [TS]

  and it just keeps echoing down and they [TS]

  got that great close shot on him just [TS]

  watching him wince every time it hits [TS]

  something we did open with me trying to [TS]

  do that but this it's pronounced mental [TS]

  on but it is that very funny bits funny [TS]

  in the books too [TS]

  we're sitting in from the doors and [TS]

  again it's like all these stores used to [TS]

  be us but you're open to all comers [TS]

  let's see it says speak friend and enter [TS]

  and he tries like every smell and in the [TS]

  books it gets darker and darker there [TS]

  for hours he's trying everything he's [TS]

  learned over thousands of years and [TS]

  finally photos like does it literally [TS]

  say speak friend and enter these saying [TS]

  speak the word friend enters a cold [TS]

  that's it once again punctuation and or [TS]

  if he had you there John would have it [TS]

  all set to some parentheses semicolon [TS]

  so how come how come the writing on the [TS]

  dwarf doors in alvin because of oh god [TS]

  don't ask that question because i'll [TS]

  give you an answer i'm going to give you [TS]

  an answer it's like why it's like why [TS]

  everything is Latin away [TS]

  nevermind [TS]

  I take it back I think about art don't [TS]

  you tell rest assured there is an [TS]

  explain Longo dream and the whole [TS]

  ridiculous to think that Tolkien screwed [TS]

  up somewhere but anyway I I like those [TS]

  I like that scene and it's not like a [TS]

  lot of the other you know these giant [TS]

  battles that happen later in the movie [TS]

  that in that scene or those series of [TS]

  scenes it's dark and foreboding in the [TS]

  in and they stop for a moment and [TS]

  there's some comedy and then and then [TS]

  humor is immediately replaced you know [TS]

  once once they uh they awaken all the [TS]

  all the guys there's all that foreboding [TS]

  although even there's that funny moment [TS]

  because there's that great line [TS]

  they have a cave troll right and then [TS]

  the cave troll cousins really awful and [TS]

  then and then when they're back out [TS]

  after they defeat all the works very [TS]

  easily because works are easy to kill [TS]

  cave trolls not but orcs are easy to [TS]

  kill [TS]

  then they go out into the big open space [TS]

  and I i kinda like that that shot we're [TS]

  now you can you can see that they're all [TS]

  coming in there they're hopelessly [TS]

  outnumbered but there's also like the [TS]

  fire off in the distance of the Balrog [TS]

  and then everybody leaves again like to [TS]

  buy I'm out of here and that's really [TS]

  foreboding and i love that whole [TS]

  sequence on this great that there's an i [TS]

  said there's a through-line there now to [TS]

  with the hobbit as well because that's [TS]

  balanced tomb em where they were they [TS]

  find themselves and of course balance is [TS]

  in the hobbit one of the door nah he's [TS]

  he's exposition a dwarf in The Hobbit [TS]

  and he's old dwarf he's a you know he's [TS]

  wrestled for Fallon exposition I think [TS]

  his name that i mentioned howard shore [TS]

  score with oh yeah i will give a big [TS]

  thumbs up 2i I own all three lord of the [TS]

  rings albums as well as i just bought [TS]

  the hobbit after seeing that and I love [TS]

  his stuff i think you know he has the [TS]

  right Peppa can take on this music he [TS]

  does a great job of weaving these [TS]

  disparate themes for all the characters [TS]

  it's very it's a very John Williams [TS]

  score and I really i love it i think [TS]

  it's great i don't think my objection is [TS]

  with the music I think it's with [TS]

  Howard's to use because some of his [TS]

  themes i really like in my very favorite [TS]

  theme and I [TS]

  favorite musical over the whole movie is [TS]

  the music that plays when they showed [TS]

  the Lord of the Rings title text and [TS]

  fellowship whatever that little [TS]

  sequences you know that sound right do [TS]

  that dude right that that that is that [TS]

  is the perfect one but he had his action [TS]

  like his little action thing like [TS]

  aragorn's theme and like the exciting [TS]

  things are happening thing they play it [TS]

  too much is too much on the nose like [TS]

  this is the movie where every time you [TS]

  want to you're supposed to feel an [TS]

  emotion they play the music is supposed [TS]

  to make it to that emotion and you're [TS]

  right John Williams does that as well [TS]

  it's somehow like I don't know maybe [TS]

  because it this the same ques happen so [TS]

  many different times over the nine hours [TS]

  whereas in the much shorter three hours [TS]

  of the Star Wars trilogy or whatever and [TS]

  you know it doesn't come up as bad but [TS]

  like it just feels like he's someone's [TS]

  hitting me over the head and it's not so [TS]

  much the music as written you know how [TS]

  its laid into him he doesn't he doesn't [TS]

  vary it quite as much as Williams those [TS]

  Williams yeah great job definitely [TS]

  weaving it in different arrangements and [TS]

  there's such sneaky things even if I i [TS]

  hesitate to bring up the score for the [TS]

  Phantom Menace but he does a great job [TS]

  in the Anakin theme in the Phantom [TS]

  Menace i like i like that Fame i like [TS]

  the music fun of doing of working the [TS]

  imperial march into it in a very subtle [TS]

  way that I had to point out to someone [TS]

  recently because they're like where is [TS]

  the Imperial will help you pointed out [TS]

  to them and they never spoke to him [TS]

  again isn't yeah that's probably true [TS]

  how short should again peter jackson the [TS]

  garageband files with the loop stuff in [TS]

  it that would be good for the extended [TS]

  version there is still a lot of great [TS]

  stuff and I was thinking when you're is [TS]

  talking about your favorite music I've [TS]

  seen my favorite music which is the [TS]

  scene not necessarily that you've got [TS]

  that big bombastic part in the bridge of [TS]

  Gaza doom we're running across but i [TS]

  think the the music the softer music [TS]

  that plays after Gannon local falling is [TS]

  is just is perfect is so it's haunting [TS]

  and it's just it's every time I think of [TS]

  it gives me it makes my hair stand up [TS]

  I even like the ending song [TS]

  yeah she the hard to make a although i [TS]

  think the unappreciated gem of the vocal [TS]

  songs is the Golem song at the end of [TS]

  the two towers which is extremely creepy [TS]

  but every little piece know there's a [TS]

  song at the in the end credits of two [TS]

  towers oh there's a song that sort of [TS]

  the golem song and it's it's sung by i [TS]

  think a female new zealand vocalist if I [TS]

  recalls she's the only one because you [TS]

  get analytics at the end of Return of [TS]

  the King and yet at the end of [TS]

  fellowship and so this one kinda i think [TS]

  is underappreciated but it's a very [TS]

  creepy nice little does that song go [TS]

  with sticky habits always stealing my [TS]

  food you can find it you know I i hear [TS]

  John siracusa loves it when you put [TS]

  music clips [TS]

  music clips [TS]

  the shows so you can we can go find a [TS]

  clip of that and put it in certain right [TS]

  my clip my favorite clip should be [TS]

  before anyone speaks in this episode or [TS]

  actually after the the theme song think [TS]

  it's the beginning [TS]

  yes music and I actually like the [TS]

  opening narration to fellowship and I [TS]

  now live there remember it that's why [TS]

  was that was again that and then the [TS]

  opening scene of fellowship like this is [TS]

  gonna be the greatest movie ever and [TS]

  then press the movies coming out but you [TS]

  know that was my high point is kind of [TS]

  like watching the trailer to a movie you [TS]

  like me watching the Superman trailer [TS]

  it's all downhill after that at least at [TS]

  least I think the fact that they filmed [TS]

  everything back-to-back-to-back you know [TS]

  as a benefit in terms of total [TS]

  consistency because they're it's this is [TS]

  not a a situation like you know the [TS]

  matrix where it's like well it first [TS]

  movie was pretty good at MIT Wow really [TS]

  went off the rails really quick there is [TS]

  it it's one continuous movie right and i [TS]

  think that's that's impressive and [TS]

  that's the way it needed to be done but [TS]

  don't you feel like fellowship like post [TS]

  production technologies must have come a [TS]

  long way but I still feel like [TS]

  fellowship is like the okay guys what [TS]

  are we doing here and then the second [TS]

  movie is like finding their stride the [TS]

  third movie is like guess what we're [TS]

  firing on all cylinders really just a [TS]

  smaller movie I think I maintain that [TS]

  night i like it because of that because [TS]

  there is less like we're gonna worry [TS]

  about things you like it because you saw [TS]

  when you're ten you're only like five [TS]

  years older than me so much more mature [TS]

  in so so John said that he really likes [TS]

  the first scene in the first movie so I [TS]

  guess that really should take us into [TS]

  our next part of the show where we go [TS]

  through every scene step-by-step right [TS]

  picture Sicily in 77 yeah this is this [TS]

  is just like watching the real movie [TS]

  because we're two hours in and I really [TS]

  have to pee but I don't know what a [TS]

  quickness of always just like what Liv [TS]

  Tyler and now with tyler is on the show [TS]

  talk about everybody please one world [TS]

  oh yes but so is sadly I think the [TS]

  Eagles have come to to take us away from [TS]

  this terrible place which means I'm just [TS]

  say goodbye and that'll be the end of [TS]

  the podcast talons are so sharp and [TS]

  bleeding is there anything else that [TS]

  should talk about work and it's as I'm [TS]

  going through various endings there how [TS]

  it should [TS]

  ended with the Eagles for this is [TS]

  dropped the ring in the Eagles the [TS]

  Eagles are not at your beck and call you [TS]

  can just you know it just find a mafia [TS]

  and and the eye of sauron is looking [TS]

  everywhere and and more doors at its [TS]

  height of power and if you try to fly [TS]

  eagles to mount doom when sorrows [TS]

  looking around here just like like a [TS]

  beam will come out and go to sue the [TS]

  Eagles will just be feathers this scene [TS]

  in the return of the king with the ISR [TS]

  I'm like stairs and frodo for like 30 [TS]

  seconds and then he's like quick fall [TS]

  down it's like really yes Senor by that [TS]

  point is easy nearsighted he's got focus [TS]

  problems [TS]

  a fitting end what here will be the [TS]

  endings this is this movie is famous in [TS]

  return of the king is what I'm talking [TS]

  about the the for its many many endings [TS]

  it there are really i saw this i [TS]

  remember seeing this in a theater and I [TS]

  kept thinking and this has happened on a [TS]

  few movies that I've seen where I [TS]

  thought that would be a really good way [TS]

  to end it but there's more [TS]

  except it happened in Return of the King [TS]

  King it happens like 5 i'm really glad [TS]

  they didn't end when when everyone's all [TS]

  like and now the hit single from they [TS]

  ended it right before that one of the [TS]

  world as silly as it is for there to be [TS]

  multiple endings and I remember being [TS]

  bothered by it when I saw the recurring [TS]

  in theater I like all the endings [TS]

  I you know you could have you could have [TS]

  picked one or maybe that's what I mean [TS]

  they can wrap everything up right but [TS]

  like yeah I nobody get you have to do I [TS]

  like every single one of those ends with [TS]

  the possible exception of them standing [TS]

  on a soundstage seeing photo off onto [TS]

  the great ships but oh yeah but it's [TS]

  like they got to do that though there's [TS]

  good in their ways like the big ceremony [TS]

  where they all bowed to the hobbits [TS]

  that's a good one and then you know that [TS]

  everyone parting from each other and [TS]

  they could have been some more montage [TS]

  in there maybe instead of having me [TS]

  individual like that like the photo [TS]

  goodbye could have been like a montage a [TS]

  little you know just not a whole let's [TS]

  walk out and oh I'm gonna go but they [TS]

  say they are they earned it though right [TS]

  after 10 hours or whatever of movie I [TS]

  think they earned all a big goodbye [TS]

  because that's a lot of movie now this [TS]

  time when I was watching them all bout [TS]

  of the hobbit I just kept thinking like [TS]

  Frodo thinking if I'd kept the ring you [TS]

  don't bow to me by this my furry fate [TS]

  well site again like I think that links [TS]

  in with weird [TS]

  talking about earlier where you know the [TS]

  the sort of allegorical aspects of it [TS]

  you know that he doesn't i like that [TS]

  photo feels like you know I don't really [TS]

  fit in so I gotta go [TS]

  and you know I can't really deal with [TS]

  coming back to this normal wife plus CS [TS]

  it's all allegory right so I'm gonna get [TS]

  on a boat and think of it this way if it [TS]

  if you had ended on what I think most [TS]

  people would agree is the best ending [TS]

  with everyone value the hobbits that [TS]

  wouldn't have been the right ending for [TS]

  the for the movie or the series of ways [TS]

  because that's not how it ends it's like [TS]

  100 was the whole thing that now finally [TS]

  how to get some recognition is not like [TS]

  a hobbit civil rights movie they're [TS]

  watching you can't you can't have like [TS]

  Frodo and this movie by thinking oh well [TS]

  you know what I i expanded my horizons [TS]

  and I became a better Hobbit forward and [TS]

  everybody knows me though the whole [TS]

  point is that the you-know-what would [TS]

  always always really took me in about [TS]

  this story was the idea that by the way [TS]

  yeah I know that you're taking this ring [TS]

  back in destroying it because it has to [TS]

  be done but you realize that the you you [TS]

  will be forever damaged by the by virtue [TS]

  of the fact you did this you are doing [TS]

  ruin the implication the implication is [TS]

  that you will be the hero and he'll win [TS]

  but you will be destroyed by this ring [TS]

  you may live but you will be destroyed [TS]

  that's what makes him such a hero and [TS]

  that's it for a father for all the from [TS]

  the fun we've been poking at that actor [TS]

  it's the the i love it when we get to [TS]

  the end that hollow look just reacted [TS]

  better at that time up this this is this [TS]

  is exactly what is needed at the heart [TS]

  of them just really died and he has two [TS]

  he is no longer of this world and he has [TS]

  to the the fact that he's the fact that [TS]

  he is back in the Shire and the shower [TS]

  only reminds him of the part of him that [TS]

  can he can never revisit ever again is [TS]

  the reason why you have to leave so [TS]

  that's why that is the only ending that [TS]

  that's why that as sappy little bit as [TS]

  that analytic song is it's very it's [TS]

  very good song but it really is designed [TS]

  to manipulate you [TS]

  that's why it's like a bit scared of you [TS]

  i think they got the sort of [TS]

  special-effects this movie because i'm [TS]

  going to need six bits and credits to [TS]

  get these tears ya eyes before the [TS]

  lights come back up really does it [TS]

  really does not get so in this in this a [TS]

  post Marvel blockbuster world the way [TS]

  the Lower East [TS]

  man would be that would be the ending [TS]

  and there'd be some credits and then [TS]

  would be the post-credit sequence with a [TS]

  board Gandalf recruits Frodo for the and [TS]

  then there'd be more credits and then be [TS]

  last seen right the fellowship saw [TS]

  leaving shawarma well what happens is [TS]

  Nick Nick Fury appears at the end out of [TS]

  the shadows and says get off i need you [TS]

  know what would happen is that we find [TS]

  that we finally get to see sauron at the [TS]

  very end after the end credits and we [TS]

  would never have gotten we would know [TS]

  that always this guy who has this ring [TS]

  and he's going to be good and we don't [TS]

  know who this guy is we saw him like a [TS]

  fleeting glance and only at the end the [TS]

  crisis bro that's the guy that the story [TS]

  has been all about all we have climbed [TS]

  out of the rubble of the tower basically [TS]

  like shaking his fists there's another [TS]

  palantir we went through a 10-hour [TS]

  preview for the next damn ten dollar [TS]

  movie ticket you want to sell me screw [TS]

  you [TS]

  marvel I just that you know let's stick [TS]

  let's stick various ending scenes in in [TS]

  the credits before the credits after the [TS]

  credits between parts of the credits [TS]

  just stack them up that way then people [TS]

  will be like getting up and filing out [TS]

  and be like goddamn and they have to go [TS]

  back and sit down again and you think [TS]

  you know but again I i think after a [TS]

  movie this long the endings are are good [TS]

  and it has earned them [TS]

  I i think it's something about the way [TS]

  it's done where it kind of mislead the [TS]

  audience into I maybe the music could [TS]

  have been different I don't question we [TS]

  really have to pee at that point then [TS]

  you really okay and I'm gonna get the P [TS]

  now I know damn well that's why you [TS]

  gotta go with Liv Tyler's on the screen [TS]

  then you can make it through the the [TS]

  ending its protip have you have you [TS]

  never seen the scenes with tyler it that [TS]

  said that's always in the bathroom I i [TS]

  have now because at home video I don't [TS]

  always let it run i did make a point of [TS]

  watching them one at least one time this [TS]

  should make a version you can carry with [TS]

  you [TS]

  so when you walk in there's like a [TS]

  little summary of hircine so while [TS]

  you're sitting on the toilet you could [TS]

  read located at the heat of the the [TS]

  words of the elders leaving you [TS]

  she goes no coma ok now [TS]

  that's the kind of thing you want to be [TS]

  reading on the toilet thanks going [TS]

  that would be a great app though there [TS]

  is an app i think i think it's actually [TS]

  called run Peter traffic that's that I [TS]

  I'm not letting where they really [TS]

  sitting there so it is designed so that [TS]

  you started going like when the it's it [TS]

  has a database of like movies and times [TS]

  when ok here is a sequence in which is [TS]

  just like three guys doing a riff on [TS]

  this one joke at last two-and-a-half [TS]

  minutes right here right now is a good [TS]

  time to get up and go to the bathroom [TS]

  you need to as you will note you will [TS]

  miss nothing [TS]

  you know the the animated lord of the [TS]

  rings movies you're making fun of before [TS]

  the show the ralphs actually wanted [TS]

  everything I think actually actually [TS]

  over someone after the return of the [TS]

  movie the ending of the enemy's lord of [TS]

  the rings movies which are not good i [TS]

  actually i did like that ending the head [TS]

  that fannie mae chose to do was to have [TS]

  Gandalf look at Merry and Pippin and go [TS]

  we'll look at you you notice that you're [TS]

  taller than you know that your that you [TS]

  young hobbits are taller than you older [TS]

  hobbits and it's likely you know your [TS]

  habits are coming to belittle people for [TS]

  much longer and the time as the elves [TS]

  and the magic people is gone and don't [TS]

  support smooch aw no they did that with [TS]

  the with them drinking the water from [TS]

  the ends and everything and and they [TS]

  move your butt right I kind of like [TS]

  that's what you're looking for in the [TS]

  end the proper end to lord of the rings [TS]

  no matter who's doing the adaptation of [TS]

  whatever is that the world is moving on [TS]

  this this dramatic things happened and [TS]

  ages over in the world has moved on how [TS]

  do you express that the elves leave the [TS]

  hobbits the showers and what it used to [TS]

  be you can have the scouring of the [TS]

  shower you can have the hobbits getting [TS]

  taller my long-winded contention about [TS]

  talkin is every talking everything is [TS]

  better in the past and every word you [TS]

  read in the book is the thing the word [TS]

  you just read it was better than and you [TS]

  know you get the next book it's like [TS]

  everything is degrading falling apart [TS]

  whatever simulating what we like we got [TS]

  to the third age it's the age of man oh [TS]

  man this sucks i mean like it i usually [TS]

  using the phrase from the dark tower the [TS]

  world is moving on is it good it's a bad [TS]

  it is what it is you know the world has [TS]

  moved on since chain and like I when I [TS]

  was a kid I always viewed as good as [TS]

  like oh you know all that magic elf [TS]

  stuff and everything but not get out of [TS]

  the house hands time and our time magic [TS]

  isn't there it's just it's you know that [TS]

  that heroin there's no more magic is [TS]

  just heroism and [TS]

  man who live normal lifespans that don't [TS]

  have any wizards or giant eagles and [TS]

  we're just going to do it for ourselves [TS]

  it's man time now man yeah so gentle so [TS]

  that's a true triangles [TS]

  let's go back well i can tell by the by [TS]

  the clock on the wall in the beginning [TS]

  of the 10 minutes of end credits that [TS]

  are about to run that we should probably [TS]

  trouble in the plan again I know you can [TS]

  learn interesting dream probably wrap i [TS]

  just want to tell the good luck the here [TS]

  we go [TS]

  I'm going in we should probably wrap up [TS]

  this edition [TS]

  this is we were covering I know this is [TS]

  very long we spent a lot of time talking [TS]

  about Lord of the Rings but there's a [TS]

  lot of talk about it's like 80 hours [TS]

  long has to be seen it can only be shown [TS]

  in certain times of the year when the [TS]

  Sun isn't out very long and it's very [TS]

  complicated so so we did it we talked [TS]

  about it we could probably talk about it [TS]

  some more [TS]

  maybe we'll some other time but but for [TS]

  now i would like to thank my members of [TS]

  my fellowship who join me on this on [TS]

  this wonderful journey it's sad that we [TS]

  have to split up halfway through and a [TS]

  couple of us just wandering around [TS]

  aimlessly on mute while the rest of you [TS]

  thought works but that was just how it [TS]

  had to be for the plot sorry about that [TS]

  so i would like to thank my my very own [TS]

  uh let's see which one are you uh you're [TS]

  the you're the healthy guy Glen [TS]

  fleischmann to Jason don't say let's see [TS]

  each other again soon let's say we won't [TS]

  see each other until after the Sundering [TS]

  of the world fair enough fair enough i [TS]

  also like to thank my very own Boromir [TS]

  you don't cross me Dan Morgan I'm former [TS]

  this time sweet you know I thanks Jason [TS]

  I will defend you until my dying day [TS]

  which will be in about 30 seconds and [TS]

  shuts yeah Sean be you it doesn't that [TS]

  well Jason i'll tell you all about your [TS]

  mother next time i see haha [TS]

  I i also would like to to thank the heir [TS]

  to the throne if i want to be on through [TS]

  why doesn't want to be king [TS]

  it's andy anak oh thank you breathe [TS]

  deeply [TS]

  Claire stubble stubble stopping clear [TS]

  hair toss the birds w particularly that [TS]

  was wonderful and of course he was the [TS]

  great wizard when this started but now [TS]

  he's entirely white it's john syracuse [TS]

  thank you for being here road goes ever [TS]

  on and on down from the door it began [TS]

  Jason it does indeed wise words what he [TS]

  said [TS]

  party on Garth thanks to everybody out [TS]

  there for listening to this epic and [TS]

  comfortable until next time when we [TS]

  tackle the subject that is shorter than [TS]

  this one [TS]

  I'm Jason Snell thank you for your [TS]

  patience [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  agent hidan no no weapon forged could [TS]

  kill him [TS]

  sorry it's the now we're doing an [TS]

  episode of buffy the vampire slayer it's [TS]

  very similar to weapons are a judge so [TS]

  you'll use a rocket launcher [TS]

  yeah and it's it's always literal if the [TS]

  man if they had a rocket launcher in [TS]

  this movie we got a word for that they [TS]

  told him a hobbit would never play [TS]

  football schedule 150 pounds nap road of [TS]

  the road you're just joining us this is [TS]

  the lord of the rings telephone we're in [TS]

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  stop Jason Jason smell is just undone [TS]

  his bow tie which means he's about to [TS]

  get really really serious here if we get [TS]

  90 donations next two hours with is a [TS]

  stop [TS]

  can you sing the tom bombadil song now [TS]

  Jason can you see in that but let's talk [TS]

  anyway someone in the chatroom mentioned [TS]

  in [TS]

  will be remiss not to bring it up but [TS]

  right there people left in the chat [TS]

  around here people student venture those [TS]

  people joining us just checking on [TS]

  twitter there yes are you starting now [TS]

  I'm like yeah we are pretty much [TS]