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310: I Hated Mrs. Slimer

 

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  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable on your host Jason Snell [TS]

  and we are here to talk about 26 teens [TS]

  supernatural comedy film I sound like a [TS]

  Wikipedia page the remake of 1984 [TS]

  blockbuster comedy sci-fi spectacular [TS]

  Ghostbusters this one directed by paul [TS]

  feig and starring melissa mccarthy [TS]

  Christian wait Kate McKinnon Leslie [TS]

  Jones i am joined by my own panel of [TS]

  ghostbusters [TS]

  Lisa Schmeisser is here she's the heart [TS]

  of the Ghostbusters hi Lisa happier in [TS]

  your child has everyone [TS]

  Erica and sign is also here i am indeed [TS]

  the liver of the ghostbuster i'm going [TS]

  to stop the medical record it really [TS]

  only just looking for the best [TS]

  someone will be the kidneys I called [TS]

  Holman to sleep in haha no RX and [TS]

  scientists to love potato chips [TS]

  Shannon Sutter hello lofty keys and she [TS]

  knows everything there is to know about [TS]

  New York history because she wrote a [TS]

  book the head of a sudden New York in [TS]

  the past anyway it's wholly wacker hi [TS]

  hello [TS]

  alright and i will be listening to my [TS]

  sexy phone i guess if I'm just gonna [TS]

  answer the phones but the phones in the [TS]

  aquarium so I don't know how to work i [TS]

  do so is so yeah I mean I think I know [TS]

  where to start here let's start with the [TS]

  cast because one of the great things [TS]

  that the public is done in general in [TS]

  his movies is work with a bunch of very [TS]

  talented people and he keeps working [TS]

  with them again and i have a I love Paul [TS]

  Feig stuff going way back to freaks and [TS]

  geeks which he was deeply involved with [TS]

  and I read his book kick me [TS]

  adventures in adolescence which is so [TS]

  painful and yet so funny and as a [TS]

  director he has a he has found some very [TS]

  funny women and and there's obviously a [TS]

  lot of loyalty there because he works [TS]

  with them and they work with him again [TS]

  and again [TS]

  so this cast is a pretty stellar cast [TS]

  paul feig work with melissa mccarthy in [TS]

  spy which I want to just say really good [TS]

  movie if people haven't seen spy [TS]

  I was shocked at how much I like spy I [TS]

  comment was like yeah it'll be funny and [TS]

  it was great so let's let's start with [TS]

  melissa mccarthy because i think in some [TS]

  ways her role is the is is I don't know [TS]

  it's it's I think it's the most [TS]

  difficult in some ways only because she [TS]

  kind of has to be a problematic and be [TS]

  an opposition to Kate McKinnon and [TS]

  crystal to kick to kristen wiig at the [TS]

  beginning of the movie that came into [TS]

  kristen wiig did everything about [TS]

  Melissa McCarthy to me midmost McCarthy [TS]

  will always be Sookie from the gilmore [TS]

  girls I know right I haven't seen him [TS]

  very much in the interim because she [TS]

  keeps doing comedy stuff and that's just [TS]

  not my scene i don't care if it's women [TS]

  or men starring the goofy comedy is not [TS]

  is not my thing [TS]

  spy kind of entry gotta water hearing [TS]

  haven't hear you say that I am I am now [TS]

  even more interesting i watched by to [TS]

  see that but I i did appreciate seeing [TS]

  her in this because she was there wasn't [TS]

  a single fat joke in the whole movie [TS]

  which is something that I was kind of [TS]

  funny man reading yeah and yeah i mean [TS]

  there was really there were no no jokes [TS]

  based on appearance of a female and ya [TS]

  know female looks policing jokes which [TS]

  is amazing when you think about it [TS]

  yeah and can we talk like look at our [TS]

  two most of my credit can we talk for a [TS]

  moment about how great the jumpsuits are [TS]

  because all right little subcategory [TS]

  jumpsuit because they work because II [TS]

  because they were cut in a way where you [TS]

  know you're flashing cleavage or their [TS]

  skin tight or their practical they are [TS]

  workwear and get well and well if you [TS]

  look at the if you look at how their [TS]

  design they do move the pocket placement [TS]

  on both Jones and McCarthy so that their [TS]

  big cargo pockets on the front of the [TS]

  thighs and not on the hips [TS]

  um so there's some visual streamlining [TS]

  going on but like the point is they're [TS]

  so functional and i was paying a lot of [TS]

  attention to the wardrobe choices [TS]

  through the whole movie and what I [TS]

  really appreciate about it is on Abby [TS]

  Melissa McCarthy's character is allowed [TS]

  to dress like an attractive woman who [TS]

  is good hair which she does and and what [TS]

  I liked about her character through the [TS]

  whole thing is um she was so [TS]

  unapologetic one of the things that I [TS]

  had a hard time with the first 20 [TS]

  minutes of spy and mind you i like the [TS]

  movie but thought i had a hard time of [TS]

  the first 20 minutes because the first [TS]

  20 minutes are basically set up for her [TS]

  character to kind of go through life [TS]

  cringing apologizing for daring to take [TS]

  up as much space she has and accepting [TS]

  other people's looks policing over and [TS]

  making all these jokes better and stuff [TS]

  and it was so so so pleasant to sit in [TS]

  the movie where Melissa McCarthy as a [TS]

  bee is just allowed to go through the [TS]

  movie and be smart and and and pursue [TS]

  knowledge the way that she has a [TS]

  hypothesis by God and she's going to [TS]

  stick to it she's gonna end and she yeah [TS]

  i just loved how how comfortable she was [TS]

  as it as herself through the whole film [TS]

  it was a really interesting contrast the [TS]

  request Christian widespread Aaron [TS]

  because she plays Aaron is a deeply [TS]

  uncomfortable person but like you can [TS]

  relax and addy and as as a character as [TS]

  a performer and it was just so much fun [TS]

  to watch and the only time that she's [TS]

  the butt of the joke is when she's the [TS]

  butt of the joke because she's you know [TS]

  investigating crazy ghost stuff and has [TS]

  yeah you know like it's it's nothing [TS]

  related to to her as a woman it is it is [TS]

  just her character [TS]

  yeah she can't handle the power pack in [TS]

  and you can go telling around the that [TS]

  hasn't made a left but yeah but yeah be [TS]

  any character that's ya if there are two [TS]

  I mean I think Holtzman and yeah we'll [TS]

  get our workout more just I'm going to [TS]

  work up to her [TS]

  Holtzman and abby are the closest [TS]

  analogue two characters in the original [TS]

  movie because because Abby is very much [TS]

  the dan Aykroyd character she is [TS]

  incredibly like over enthusiastic about [TS]

  ghost stuff to the point where everybody [TS]

  else like yeah gross okay whatever and [TS]

  um and there's a lot of the comedy to be [TS]

  gained from that and i enjoyed her her [TS]

  kind of giddy enthusiasm about it I i [TS]

  thought yeah I thought that was I [TS]

  thought it was good the jumpsuits i also [TS]

  want to bring up that the one things [TS]

  always I've always thought about the [TS]

  1984 Ghostbusters is there and mentioned [TS]

  this in our episode that you can go back [TS]

  and listen to about that about that [TS]

  movie is they really try to code the [TS]

  Ghostbusters is working class [TS]

  like plumbers more than they are like [TS]

  that like committing very quickly try to [TS]

  get you to forget the bees these people [TS]

  have PhDs right it's like very quickly [TS]

  it's like no no they're wearing [TS]

  jumpsuits their plumbers except it's [TS]

  like ghosts plumbing and I liked that [TS]

  they are they are similarly here wearing [TS]

  work clothes that this is not they're [TS]

  not superheroes wearing superhero [TS]

  costumes they're plumbers wearing [TS]

  plumber outfits basically they're [TS]

  janitors essentially I felt like she was [TS]

  the linchpin sort of the cast she'd was [TS]

  probably in the end like if there is [TS]

  going to be like a straight man in the [TS]

  movie at all they all took turns but she [TS]

  was it she had some really funny moments [TS]

  and good deliveries a great don't mean [TS]

  to her [TS]

  all our deliveries from phenomenal but [TS]

  but she was there just sort of if she [TS]

  was a more subtle part of the movie that [TS]

  i was expecting at all after seeing [TS]

  bridesmaid and and spy it was she was [TS]

  just there to be her and that was that [TS]

  was it she did a wonderfully grounding [TS]

  she wasn't very County grounding [TS]

  presence if that makes sense [TS]

  yes yeah it was neat trick to because [TS]

  Kristen Wiig is is she comes into it is [TS]

  this as the the straight man right [TS]

  kristen wiig is the oh I don't believe [TS]

  in all your stupid ghost stuff you [TS]

  please take my book off the internet [TS]

  right and very rapidly though they flip [TS]

  it around where she's like enthusiastic [TS]

  like we saw a ghost and it becomes it [TS]

  becomes though the problem [TS]

  melissa mccarthy of a b2b to be more [TS]

  like all right I'm a professional here [TS]

  you people are all great see we are [TS]

  scientists you know for me I had no [TS]

  experience whatsoever with melissa [TS]

  mccarthy other than knowing she was [TS]

  Molly and mike & molly which i didn't [TS]

  watch similarly I was not familiar with [TS]

  like really any of the cast other than [TS]

  this is this movie was my introduction [TS]

  for to just about everybody arm and for [TS]

  me Melissa McCarthy as you said quite [TS]

  often was like the sort of the straight [TS]

  man of the group I mean you know yes [TS]

  there were times when she was hilarious [TS]

  and she could be very funny in the movie [TS]

  but there was just as often other [TS]

  characters were playing off her [TS]

  and as we said it's shifted who was [TS]

  being funny who was being the straight [TS]

  man and I loved that I loved that you [TS]

  know it enhanced the feeling of teamwork [TS]

  that we got from this group much more [TS]

  quickly than I think in the original [TS]

  although that part of that is the fact [TS]

  that the original made the mistake of [TS]

  not bringing any Hudson until three [TS]

  quarters of the way through [TS]

  I would almost say since Melissa [TS]

  McCarthy is the most kind of bankable [TS]

  star of this group that this is also [TS]

  sort of generosity of like they like [TS]

  they don't need to push Melissa McCarthy [TS]

  here she can be generous [TS]

  she can throw you know throw humor to [TS]

  her co-stars because she's she's gonna [TS]

  be fine right like she she's gonna be [TS]

  fine she can be that she can afford to [TS]

  be generous and and and they can afford [TS]

  to let her not have all of the all of [TS]

  the big last year not like she doesn't [TS]

  have any but sheshe it seems a little [TS]

  relaxed to me she didn't have to be she [TS]

  doesn't dominate this which you could [TS]

  you could look at the cast and say well [TS]

  she's going to dominate it because she's [TS]

  the one who has the most the biggest box [TS]

  off box-office track record of this [TS]

  group where Kristen Wiig Kristen Wiig [TS]

  gets the gets to get to have the first [TS]

  part of the movie she sort of our [TS]

  viewpoint character into this world we [TS]

  see her Columbia University Charles [TS]

  dance is very stern scary Charles [TS]

  dancing game of thrones and other things [TS]

  princeton is not an acceptable [TS]

  university very good joke and and it's a [TS]

  distant tough job because she's got she [TS]

  you know she comes around but at the [TS]

  beginning she's trying to be kind of no [TS]

  fun and skeptical and all of that which [TS]

  i think i think is interesting she's [TS]

  also the farthest away in some ways from [TS]

  her analog from the original [TS]

  Ghostbusters movie and i think i think a [TS]

  really clever creative decision to make [TS]

  her not a fraud in a way that Venkman in [TS]

  the original is he's a fraud he knows [TS]

  it's a fraud even though it turns out [TS]

  that ghosts are real [TS]

  he doesn't care he's just using it to [TS]

  have fun and meet girls ladies like that [TS]

  exactly right and and hear Christmas [TS]

  like she's very serious she's and she's [TS]

  gone from metaphysics on to physics and [TS]

  she wants to get tenure and then [TS]

  everything kind of comes out from under [TS]

  her and I think that's like a much [TS]

  better a much better starting place for [TS]

  that for that [TS]

  character to start out as legitimate and [TS]

  that puts her in opposition to everybody [TS]

  else when she when she finally has that [TS]

  moment when she finds out the ghosts are [TS]

  real [TS]

  she's the only character who has any [TS]

  sort of arc but it was an arc that i [TS]

  really appreciated of just you know [TS]

  having being the the woman in the [TS]

  Mansfield and meeting you know we [TS]

  meeting tenure and needing to be [TS]

  validated and like you said like having [TS]

  it all sort of ripped out from under her [TS]

  and having to end sir going back to this [TS]

  world that she seems to fit in much [TS]

  better than the world that we saw her in [TS]

  the very beginning of the movie and [TS]

  actually learning to sort of live that [TS]

  life again and it was it was subtle it [TS]

  was like a subtle sort of character [TS]

  transformation there were no giant [TS]

  catharsis moments for her character [TS]

  which was fantastic and it worked it [TS]

  worked to sort of propel that little [TS]

  emotional part of the movie forward the [TS]

  whole movies about friendship cuz when [TS]

  she starts when Aaron starts the movie [TS]

  she is as you point out a woman in a [TS]

  male-dominated field and she's so lonely [TS]

  like everything about that character [TS]

  just screams isolation and loneliness [TS]

  and awkward and trying really hard [TS]

  because she's not being authentic to who [TS]

  she really is like if you watch how her [TS]

  clothes change over the course of the [TS]

  movie to theirs by the time she's really [TS]

  settled into the whole idea that yeah [TS]

  we're doing this Ghostbusters think [TS]

  she's back in a sweatshirt and jeans and [TS]

  she's super happy and so he well it's a [TS]

  huge contrast it but the whole movie you [TS]

  take a look at it and what is the thing [TS]

  that saves everybody at the end it's a [TS]

  Swiss Army knife that Holtzman had given [TS]

  to Aaron and said every woman needs to [TS]

  be armed and wholesome did that as a [TS]

  gesture of friendship and aaron in [TS]

  return save his life with it and does it [TS]

  will call back but by the end of the [TS]

  movie like these four women have all [TS]

  solidified their relationships you know [TS]

  Patti has sort of tied them into New [TS]

  York as a whole when you think about it [TS]

  but you know Aaron and Abby heat men to [TS]

  their rift and they now share custody of [TS]

  Holtzman but it's it's it's about you [TS]

  know Aaron becomes a much happier and [TS]

  more walk around in person not because [TS]

  she goes from physics and metaphysics [TS]

  but because she goes from being lonely [TS]

  being with her people and I really [TS]

  enjoyed that where the movie is a [TS]

  celebration of that too [TS]

  like where else could it be so [TS]

  negatively illustrated but when Patti [TS]

  literally slaps a ghost out of Abby [TS]

  screaming get my friend the power of [TS]

  atty compels you [TS]

  yeah and i love that they let Aaron you [TS]

  know even as she finds her tribe again [TS]

  and settles in chic they let her [TS]

  continue to be awkward at times I mean [TS]

  just the hurts her crush over Kevin you [TS]

  know did she just never might get over [TS]

  that he's so cute [TS]

  well let's be fair cavities pretty well [TS]

  yeah he totally oblivious to it and [TS]

  Holtzman just think that's all great fun [TS]

  but it doesn't take away from her [TS]

  moments where you know the academic [TS]

  comes forward and she's thinking and she [TS]

  puts puts together conclusions and its [TS]

  balance and it is kind of getting back [TS]

  to this sort of the mirror image of of [TS]

  Peter Venkman because I mean it's you [TS]

  know if this movie as as done like this [TS]

  was gender swapped it would be really [TS]

  gross and ski have the way that that she [TS]

  would be treating her her assistant and [TS]

  i'm i'm a big fan of flipping that [TS]

  around and because the power dynamic is [TS]

  so different yes it is funny and it [TS]

  works for me although i'd honestly for [TS]

  me it was a little a little too much I [TS]

  think I I struggled a bit with the first [TS]

  cut the first 20 minutes or so of the [TS]

  movie and I think I think the parts [TS]

  where i continue to struggle later on [TS]

  we're mostly around errands character [TS]

  because it seems like the jokes that [TS]

  were trying too hard and didn't land [TS]

  right for me almost always were related [TS]

  to her and maybe it's just because [TS]

  awkward humor doesn't particularly float [TS]

  my boat [TS]

  yeah but more because it just don't know [TS]

  the the trying too hard thing just [TS]

  didn't quite seeing along with the rest [TS]

  of it [TS]

  that's interesting I had a problem with [TS]

  the pacing in this movie I felt like I [TS]

  could like if if I had like the movie [TS]

  equivalent of a red pen I could go [TS]

  through and like delete five seconds out [TS]

  of every scene and just pull it together [TS]

  and it could be a good 15-20 minutes [TS]

  shorter without really losing any [TS]

  content and I wonder how much I have to [TS]

  go back and see and I wonder how much of [TS]

  that would be around her character that [TS]

  maybe she's just operating at a slightly [TS]

  slower pace just communicate or whatever [TS]

  from the rest of the movie and that's [TS]

  sort of dragging a little this is a [TS]

  problem with modern comedies in general [TS]

  because because I've noticed this we [TS]

  want to see this is the end which is I [TS]

  can't wait for all girl remake of that [TS]

  one by the way when I went to see that [TS]

  because you've got a bunch of people who [TS]

  do a lot of improv there are some really [TS]

  laggy bits in that movie which is odd [TS]

  because it's about the end of the world [TS]

  and that was that [TS]

  I think that the the the comedy trend [TS]

  towards all we you know give the actors [TS]

  a general idea and let them riff like [TS]

  you do get some good material but I [TS]

  think sometimes you just get a lot of [TS]

  stuff that goes on for a beat or five [TS]

  longer than it should and I guess we're [TS]

  supposed to find part of that funny too [TS]

  or just like a but you know I really [TS]

  don't care about the process behind the [TS]

  camera I'd I don't care like I'm not [TS]

  render you're like well Chris Hemsworth [TS]

  like totally snowballs inflamed he [TS]

  couldn't ad lib or or improv but he did [TS]

  his whole interview and profit and I was [TS]

  like well I'm glad it worked [TS]

  I don't need to know how it works I [TS]

  don't care to know if I want to know [TS]

  i'll read the IMDb trivia page two years [TS]

  and this is on HBO [TS]

  oh yeah I I care about a tight final [TS]

  product that sings ok it's not like how [TS]

  Jason it often enough and points out [TS]

  when a writer in a book that likes to [TS]

  show their work [TS]

  I didn't want to research your folks oh [TS]

  yeah and this is this is kind of like [TS]

  the visual equivalent of that we did so [TS]

  much add living you guys we gotta show [TS]

  it to you [TS]

  no no you're not you down you look at [TS]

  the original movie the look why did the [TS]

  original movies exceed the way it did [TS]

  well I had some amazing actors but Ivan [TS]

  Reitman that man [TS]

  it would build a movie and it's I mean I [TS]

  haven't seen it in a number of years but [TS]

  what I remember of it it's just the [TS]

  pacing is just now arriving you forward [TS]

  from you two seem through the movie and [TS]

  in this one it was like there were it [TS]

  was like moving from bit too bit and [TS]

  just with some dead space in between and [TS]

  it just felt a little more casual then I [TS]

  wanted it to [TS]

  for what it's worth spy is like that too [TS]

  and i say this is somebody who really [TS]

  did enjoy spy and has watched it a [TS]

  couple times on HBO spy is like that to [TS]

  where there are parts of that that just [TS]

  go on or there are some excessively long [TS]

  you know transitions you're like really [TS]

  really this is what we I have to wait [TS]

  through this to get to the good stuff [TS]

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  this episode I felt like the original [TS]

  Ghostbusters was very much it was a a [TS]

  comedy of that time know about ghosts [TS]

  and stuff and I feel like this movie is [TS]

  to this this felt like it was modern [TS]

  comedy with yellow the good things and [TS]

  all the not-so-good things that tend to [TS]

  go along with it that the pacing in the [TS]

  the improv stuff being part of that [TS]

  there's a whole recorded sound of [TS]

  ghosts those parts or whatever that I'm [TS]

  like hey I get what you're trying to do [TS]

  here but at some point in somebody might [TS]

  go [TS]

  yeah that's not really working we're [TS]

  gonna just take that I don't know we're [TS]

  gonna put it all in there and as a [TS]

  result of the 21st 20 minutes especially [TS]

  I mean we would Erica mention it I feel [TS]

  like there's something wrong like it [TS]

  just it just doesn't doesn't move and it [TS]

  doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  Dennis there's a moment where the movie [TS]

  catches fire but it is like 20-25 [TS]

  minutes in and it's weird it does that [TS]

  because it starts off with such a kick [TS]

  like Zach woods gives that movie like a [TS]

  lonely little round opening some of the [TS]

  best lines are in the first three [TS]

  minutes of that movie is he an Irish [TS]

  gates and there's this really strong and [TS]

  be getting us like oh this is it was [TS]

  like oh this is not disappointing [TS]

  because kids and then like eight legs [TS]

  for spider while and you're like okay [TS]

  okay and then it does pick up again but [TS]

  eat there it's it's it's a little [TS]

  sagging spots [TS]

  um yeah sure i think those early spots [TS]

  felt to me like I have no problem with [TS]

  seven and seven and live actors being in [TS]

  in any movie really but in this movie [TS]

  especially considering the original [TS]

  exactly but I do have a huge problem [TS]

  with when the movie starts to feel like [TS]

  a Saturday Night Live sketch and they're [TS]

  definitely parts in the early section [TS]

  like the farting joke in particular that [TS]

  was that was one where it's just like oh [TS]

  no that was my complete my so so coming [TS]

  home from this and learn and I actually [TS]

  watched the original Ghostbusters when [TS]

  we got home from watching this and we [TS]

  and we enjoyed this movie and but she [TS]

  said she she agree with me about the [TS]

  about the first 20 minutes and she said [TS]

  here i'll give you two examples she says [TS]

  the the Princeton is not an acceptable [TS]

  reference that's a good joke and said [TS]

  the ghost farting that is not a good [TS]

  kind of yeah it's like there's that [TS]

  sound like that wasn't good stuff in the [TS]

  first 20 minutes just like it [TS]

  it was almost like you're watching the [TS]

  process of them trying to figure out [TS]

  what jokes worked or not accept them [TS]

  they didn't edit and like the red pen as [TS]

  well as we said earlier then they're [TS]

  like ok these don't work and so it's [TS]

  almost like we don't know and and [TS]

  honestly it's weird what's weird about [TS]

  is 25 minutes and it feels like the the [TS]

  percentage of things that land goes up [TS]

  to a very high percentage but but you [TS]

  have to get through that first part to [TS]

  get there it's weird one [TS]

  if it's in part because because after [TS]

  that you sort of have the whole band [TS]

  together and ya heart of it as everyone [TS]

  gets together it works better [TS]

  there's a logical leaps in the original [TS]

  Ghostbusters that we noticed when we [TS]

  watched it after we watch this where [TS]

  it's very like you could stop slow down [TS]

  and be like what [TS]

  boy things happen like Ernie Hudson [TS]

  appears very rapidly they get their [TS]

  business setup incredibly rapidly and [TS]

  and to go back to the ivan reitman thing [TS]

  and also harold ramis coming in and [TS]

  working on the screenplay that damn [TS]

  Ackroyd's original was apparently in [TS]

  comprehensible not surprising really [TS]

  um that uh I could see that right where [TS]

  it's just like we don't we just skip it [TS]

  and the audience will go with it we [TS]

  don't need to get into detail here and [TS]

  and then there was more time [TS]

  some of it i like i like the idea that [TS]

  we're almost seeing the this whole movie [TS]

  happens almost between the first like [TS]

  few scenes of the original Ghostbusters [TS]

  because it is about how do they become [TS]

  the Ghostbusters but it's kind of too [TS]

  much of it i think yeah I could tell i [TS]

  got to see it twice at this point the [TS]

  first time ship and I went on opening [TS]

  night and then last night we took our [TS]

  son are 14 year old and I could tell arm [TS]

  just sort of by its sensing how much he [TS]

  was squirming in the seat next to me [TS]

  when he was engaged and when he was [TS]

  getting bored and the biggest chunk of [TS]

  kind of you know shifting around heavy [TS]

  sighs that could sort of thing for the [TS]

  most part was in that that first 15-20 [TS]

  minutes as we're getting things together [TS]

  now imagining him you like using him as [TS]

  a guinea pig and you're sitting there [TS]

  next to him taking notes like and then [TS]

  making time marks about when he squirms [TS]

  there's like a little stopwatch for she [TS]

  clicks on every time a very harold ramis [TS]

  like turn the dial to the right if [TS]

  you're having a good time so i turn the [TS]

  dial [TS]

  no no just like a little like a little [TS]

  ticker where every time he pitches you [TS]

  know another ticket ok let's talk about [TS]

  let's talk about Kate McKinnon because [TS]

  everybody loves Kate McKinnon and she's [TS]

  she's the whole grains analog here she [TS]

  is the enthusiastic scientists who does [TS]

  not have their place never this bonkers [TS]

  but no you know it's true it's true [TS]

  butBut it well though he did that were [TS]

  there was that time you tried to drill a [TS]

  hole in his head but they stopped him [TS]

  but yeah this is uh this is it is the [TS]

  breakout character for sure she does [TS]

  you know she does a fantastic job why [TS]

  don't you all tell me about your your [TS]

  feelings about to get just one that [TS]

  we're just going to hold my god that [TS]

  feels the sol-gel in her case it's not [TS]

  just lines and how she delivers them how [TS]

  she goes through the technobabble like [TS]

  you know Big Bang bob and weave got a [TS]

  Faraday cage and all that she does that [TS]

  very well but just she's anytime she's [TS]

  on screen you know she's there [TS]

  her face her her body her posture her [TS]

  her physicality is just drawing and you [TS]

  know she's stealing scenes without even [TS]

  saying a word [TS]

  it's amazing the posse when I went to [TS]

  see it with likely exit the theater and [TS]

  everyone just kind of side for a while [TS]

  inside and then my friend says chris [TS]

  hemsworth the second sexiest thing in [TS]

  the Hobby out here here yeah and and you [TS]

  that you could like you could feel your [TS]

  kinsey scale recalibration talked about [TS]

  it briefly on the on the last very [TS]

  podcast and my co-host a bath like as i [TS]

  was just going on in gushing she's like [TS]

  yeah she's like it did you hear that [TS]

  trombone noise as you slid down [TS]

  Mackenzie schools good [TS]

  they're gonna be like 10 years from now [TS]

  you're gonna have podcast by by people [TS]

  who are like and that is that I realized [TS]

  something about myself [TS]

  what spot stickers but it's it's it's [TS]

  such a smart and nuanced performance [TS]

  when you look at it too because she's [TS]

  got everything from the expressions and [TS]

  she plays off of everybody so [TS]

  beautifully like the scene where they're [TS]

  interviewing Kevin Holtzman doesn't even [TS]

  say a word she just um except for like [TS]

  being so radio times we've been doing in [TS]

  your life that [TS]

  like after that she just lets everybody [TS]

  else go and she looks back and forth [TS]

  like she's a tennis match and I like [TS]

  that she is not sucking up all the [TS]

  attention on the screen with look at me [TS]

  look at me but she drags you into the [TS]

  scene because she's just so present and [TS]

  engaged that you finish eat pulled into [TS]

  her level which I loved that generosity [TS]

  again I think everybody had had that [TS]

  sort of same level of the generosity so [TS]

  everybody got a chance to shine but I [TS]

  think I think you guys are right that [TS]

  when she was on screen she did draw my [TS]

  eye and yeah I was it was sort of hard [TS]

  to look away because i think in part [TS]

  because she is the kind of character [TS]

  that I don't know that I've ever seen a [TS]

  woman playing on Sri before and it's [TS]

  such a delightful kind of character to [TS]

  just be she's being who she is she's not [TS]

  trying to please anybody she is [TS]

  enthusiastic and excited about stuff [TS]

  about the guts of the machinery and and [TS]

  everybody's cool with that it's not only [TS]

  that she is this kind of character who's [TS]

  excited about it is that she's [TS]

  surrounded by people who just let her be [TS]

  that kind of person and and go with it [TS]

  oh you performance reminds me actually [TS]

  is French and Saunders haha up because [TS]

  I'm Tommy I'm a huge fan of both on [TS]

  French and jennifer saunders and one of [TS]

  the reasons i was i I was that I fell [TS]

  head over heels in love with your brand [TS]

  of comedy in the nineties was precisely [TS]

  because they have that huge level of [TS]

  engagement and that complete lack of [TS]

  self-consciousness and the commitment to [TS]

  the material where they respect the [TS]

  material that they can see how absurd it [TS]

  is and so when my kid was playing [TS]

  holtzman there's just this level of like [TS]

  the dial goes up to 11 on on it and [TS]

  she's you can tell she respects the [TS]

  character she's not playing holtzman as [TS]

  a joke which is which is great i felt [TS]

  sometimes the camera almost didn't know [TS]

  what to do with her that it was they [TS]

  obviously that the direction had been ok [TS]

  you guys just sort of each other and [TS]

  celebrate and you know Holtzman you do a [TS]

  horseman thing but because she was sort [TS]

  of over to the side or she was you know [TS]

  not in that the center of the frame it [TS]

  was like like like someone said as she [TS]

  drew my eye but then [TS]

  didn't know where to look and that was [TS]

  like the only drawback to her character [TS]

  was at times it was like she's so [TS]

  magnetic I can't look anywhere else and [TS]

  the Cameron wants me to look somewhere [TS]

  else there was there was one there was [TS]

  one holds a moment that i did not like [TS]

  because once again it felt like you know [TS]

  it didn't even feel like saturday night [TS]

  live' moment it felt like a commercial [TS]

  during Saturday I've moment and that was [TS]

  the central rabbit yes yes [TS]

  yeah i was i was still ripped out of the [TS]

  movie at that point that it was such a [TS]

  deadline [TS]

  yeah that worked for me i was i was [TS]

  fascinated by the commitment with that [TS]

  with the potential for the face and I'm [TS]

  like and I'm like later you look back [TS]

  when that when that when the evil ghost [TS]

  is slamming area and you see Holtzman [TS]

  watching and she's literally surrounded [TS]

  by a semicircle of broken potato chips [TS]

  and I was like that that is some [TS]

  commitment to this to the product [TS]

  placement yeah yeah and it's not even [TS]

  the product it just it felt like a line [TS]

  she would say even though we had not [TS]

  seen much of her character yet it just [TS]

  it it sounded exactly like something to [TS]

  me that that that Holtzman would say in [TS]

  that moment maybe maybe the problem was [TS]

  simply because it came so early because [TS]

  i really had not gotten a feel for her [TS]

  character at that point and it just [TS]

  seemed just but felt like you know I a [TS]

  clanking sort of a sound instead of a [TS]

  nice ringing but if it would have come [TS]

  later in the film i would I wonder if I [TS]

  would have been much more okay with it [TS]

  and maybe not in a scene with that much [TS]

  sort of manufactured tension no human [TS]

  hanging in that situation would I just [TS]

  was like who is this place and that is e [TS]

  that is talking to a potato chip during [TS]

  the middle of those since cartoony yeah [TS]

  in the first scene where you meet her in [TS]

  Abby's lab it seems pretty obvious to me [TS]

  that Holtzman was kind of was kind of [TS]

  hazing Aaron because you lose this who [TS]

  is this person's interrupting our two [TS]

  min fiefdom yeah and threatening my [TS]

  connection with another person right [TS]

  it's like bubble but it's just the two [TS]

  of us no it's gonna be three [TS]

  yeah and so so I'm wondering like how [TS]

  much of her whack-job behavior was I get [TS]

  to try out my new toys and how much for [TS]

  a whack-job behavior is there somebody [TS]

  here who's upsetting might might might [TS]

  my dynamic you know in bearing in mind [TS]

  this is a completely fictitious [TS]

  character and [TS]

  but but you know i'm not saying she was [TS]

  calculated about it but you know she's [TS]

  thrown off balance maybe her her [TS]

  responses to throw other people [TS]

  off-balance because she certainly didn't [TS]

  respond this way to Patti joining the [TS]

  team it was but but she seemed to have a [TS]

  little bit of thing with aaron going on [TS]

  yeah I will you know what whatever [TS]

  comedy needs the Lisa it means an agent [TS]

  of chaos that's gonna be on my tombstone [TS]

  one of the things that I I I think about [TS]

  Holtzman is when we talk about the [TS]

  analogues to the the previous movie is [TS]

  she gets all of the groucho energy the [TS]

  roving agent of chaos energy that's in [TS]

  Venkman in the original that is not in [TS]

  in in a in Aaron here it's in Holtzman [TS]

  so she becomes this like roving agent of [TS]

  chaos [TS]

  she's the groucho she's doing wacky [TS]

  stuff while everybody else is a little [TS]

  more grounded and that allows her the [TS]

  freedom to be wacky because there are [TS]

  more ground people around her and and i [TS]

  think it works great i mean she's the [TS]

  break out of this movie [TS]

  there she like she is the best thing in [TS]

  this movie I think by far have you guys [TS]

  seen the alien abduction sequence on SNL [TS]

  yes it was that it was the week that [TS]

  Ryan Gosling was was the guest host and [TS]

  there is owned a sketch that's done [TS]

  where kate mckinnon Cecily strong and [TS]

  ryan gosling play three people who have [TS]

  been bodily kidnapped by a spaceship and [TS]

  are asked to describe the experience and [TS]

  oh you know while I was watching that [TS]

  sketch the whole time it was going on I [TS]

  kept thinking the only reason this works [TS]

  as well as it does because it's a great [TS]

  piece and and like Kate McKinnon just is [TS]

  phenomenal on it but the point is she's [TS]

  phenomenal precise because she's got [TS]

  Cecily strong to play off of and strong [TS]

  is doing her best to try to play it to [TS]

  try to keep it grounded and leveled and [TS]

  you know here you have the same thing [TS]

  where you just had both that where you [TS]

  had Melissa McCarthy's yes this is what [TS]

  I am dealing with is a physicist was [TS]

  quite possibly demented let's just all [TS]

  keep on killing Aaron shut your mouth [TS]

  when kevin is doing push-ups this [TS]

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  ok so let's let's talk about Leslie [TS]

  Jones is patty is so good [TS]

  she's great good but is such mixed [TS]

  feelings and the feelings about this [TS]

  because yet soon as they announced that [TS]

  that that the the black character was [TS]

  not going to be a scientist was going to [TS]

  be the am NOT a scientist which [TS]

  apparently in the original Ghostbusters [TS]

  he would have the black character was [TS]

  originally supposed to be a scientist [TS]

  and then they couldn't get any Murphy so [TS]

  they changed it Ernie Hudson apart [TS]

  seeing an earlier draft of the script [TS]

  right and he's all later draft and they [TS]

  dripped out huge chunks of of his [TS]

  background [TS]

  how did he not set the studio and fired [TS]

  well yeah he's had a problematic [TS]

  relationship with the work i think since [TS]

  then where is recognized for it means [TS]

  happy about it but at the same time he [TS]

  knows that it's not what he signed up [TS]

  for [TS]

  yeah yeah so when they announce this I [TS]

  was I was I was kind of upset and and [TS]

  not pleased but then I saw the movie and [TS]

  and I still agree that it is it is not [TS]

  cool that we have the one black [TS]

  character being the one who is [TS]

  you know that sort of down-home folksy [TS]

  friendly friendly kind of person but on [TS]

  the other hand she was amazing she [TS]

  played it really really well she tight i [TS]

  mean she you know you might say Melissa [TS]

  McCarthy is the heart of the [TS]

  Ghostbusters i don't think so i think it [TS]

  was i think was passed I think I think [TS]

  she's the one that pulled everybody [TS]

  together and really made the team [TS]

  actually work because she believed in a [TS]

  min away they didn't believe in [TS]

  themselves that makes them it's so much [TS]

  a better part then pour Ernie Hudson is [TS]

  winston zeddemore in the original so [TS]

  much better by far and and she has much [TS]

  more to do she's a much more [TS]

  well-realized character her introduction [TS]

  scene is one of my favorite scenes in [TS]

  the movie where she's just working the [TS]

  job at the subway and the end and the [TS]

  bad guy walks by and says don't worry [TS]

  when the world ends you'll be the last [TS]

  to die and it is what the hell was that [TS]

  that was and then it's always the bad [TS]

  guy [TS]

  oh right and and her reaction is an [TS]

  internet comin to shoot unless you get [TS]

  them all together [TS]

  she's funny and it but there is that [TS]

  other issue which is it's the black [TS]

  character who's not as well educated as [TS]

  they are and she's but she's streetwise [TS]

  didn't strike me that she was less [TS]

  educated than the other others yes HD [TS]

  right you know there's no need to show [TS]

  that she's in any way dumb or stupid she [TS]

  just knows different stuff right but [TS]

  that's still less educated i agree if we [TS]

  didn't have the trope of the the the [TS]

  black character in the group of white [TS]

  characters is the one who's streetwise [TS]

  but we do have that that that that's [TS]

  always the rules streetwise and yes she [TS]

  is but then she's also she's reads she [TS]

  knows history she knows New York she [TS]

  knows all these places and for God's [TS]

  sake she's the one who figures out what [TS]

  to do with the car to call or tex all [TS]

  the details all the details are done [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah even the parameters it's the sketch [TS]

  the bare-bones outline of it that's [TS]

  that's probably not right but yeah all [TS]

  the fleshing out is good and she [TS]

  benefits from it she is she is not just [TS]

  what I thought she might be from the [TS]

  trailer which is which is the streetwise [TS]

  subway person she knows history and in [TS]

  detail right and the whole history of [TS]

  New York she does solve things to save [TS]

  the world [TS]

  told me there's so much that's great [TS]

  about her it's just when you abstract [TS]

  that you're like you know it does come [TS]

  from a place that is kind of an [TS]

  unfortunate a bit of scaffolding but [TS]

  they get yeah it feels like after they [TS]

  made that decision then they made lots [TS]

  of great decisions to to make this apart [TS]

  that Leslie Jones could really dive into [TS]

  and she did the real problem is the fact [TS]

  that there aren't other and there aren't [TS]

  a ton of other roles for black women [TS]

  getting to do a whole bunch of other [TS]

  things if we had a whole basket full [TS]

  movies coming out every year where you [TS]

  had a black woman as a PhD in a black [TS]

  woman as a scuba diver and a black woman [TS]

  as you know anything else you can think [TS]

  of [TS]

  then this wouldn't stand out as being [TS]

  such a big deal but because there's such [TS]

  a address of good roles or roles at all [TS]

  for women of color the the few rules [TS]

  that come out there really do kind of [TS]

  need to stand for four more than they [TS]

  should have to end it is sad and it [TS]

  sucks but that's that's the way it is [TS]

  and in a movie that was that was billed [TS]

  and obviously built to up end as these [TS]

  tropes and turn them on their heads [TS]

  it did seem like a pointed a mission [TS]

  that she would incident not pointed but [TS]

  not like they're trying to send a [TS]

  message or anything i should have said [TS]

  that but but more like okay then why [TS]

  didn't you guys do this because it's so [TS]

  obvious why didn't you turn this one on [TS]

  its head to ya or even within the movie [TS]

  like you know why couldn't the character [TS]

  that Cecily strong plate i couldn't have [TS]

  been a black actress you know being [TS]

  being the PR person for the mayor [TS]

  you know that that's the one that's [TS]

  another thing I thought in the second [TS]

  time around you know [TS]

  yes we've got this wonderful gender [TS]

  swapping and gender flipping and playing [TS]

  with those roles but there's only two [TS]

  black characters in the movie this is [TS]

  New York City surely there's more ethnic [TS]

  diversity in European that has [TS]

  represented by one angry chinese store [TS]

  delivery and the common yeah i totally [TS]

  by the exact words would work at an [TS]

  historic mansion because that's [TS]

  precisely the type of job that trust [TS]

  fund brats get back there's you know [TS]

  there's a whole lot of there were a [TS]

  whole lot of other opportunities at [TS]

  everything at every point and they did [TS]

  do I think a passable job because they [TS]

  cashed them [TS]

  I'm like it's omar i'm trying to get [TS]

  porn actors me oh yeah michael kenneth [TS]

  williams yeah we just get over it so far [TS]

  as one of the as one of the FBI stupid [TS]

  FBI agents along with matt walsh right [TS]

  Chris Hemsworth should we talk about [TS]

  chris is cat heads with Kevin for [TS]

  himself [TS]

  we talked about chris hemsworth that yes [TS]

  I should have just pointed out to will [TS]

  when you ever be able to watch another [TS]

  Marvel movie and we'll just like no with [TS]

  43 it's coming Chris Hemsworth has [TS]

  handsome man syndrome where he's really [TS]

  really funny but no one's going to [TS]

  realize it because he's so handsome like [TS]

  John had had that problem for well [TS]

  doesn't seem to have any more he's [TS]

  finally overcome with intense therapy [TS]

  and making here I thought he could have [TS]

  been funnier to be honest like I thought [TS]

  that people's reactions to him we're [TS]

  very funny i like that by the end of the [TS]

  movie they've basically acknowledge the [TS]

  just paying him to to be to to be to [TS]

  breathe and be attractive and he'd [TS]

  almost figured out the father well [TS]

  that's how is one of the things that I [TS]

  find very funny is that he gets he gets [TS]

  better as the movie goes along he's [TS]

  never anything but terrible but again he [TS]

  gets better he can answer the phone [TS]

  although he doesn't know what to do he [TS]

  says that the one point he says they [TS]

  have a goat which also yeah it's [TS]

  probably probably not ago probably a [TS]

  ghost but yeah I will say that bit with [TS]

  the glasses was hysterical weeping [TS]

  scratches I think Alaska and I although [TS]

  i wish they had just left it i wish he [TS]

  done that and they had the reaction look [TS]

  at but then not the question you laughed [TS]

  out loud before they talked about it [TS]

  yeah it could have been just so subtle [TS]

  that he would do that and there would be [TS]

  that way did that just happen and then [TS]

  they will go on [TS]

  yeah yeah I felt like I i love the idea [TS]

  that they are appending the the pretty [TS]

  bubbleheads secretary stereotype but for [TS]

  me it was just most of it was too much i [TS]

  wish that there would have been I don't [TS]

  know maybe a quarter of the amount of [TS]

  Kevin stuff in there or just you know [TS]

  more of the same sort of in the [TS]

  background but let's focus on him and [TS]

  his interview thing and his pictures [TS]

  like in hindsight I can laugh about it [TS]

  because i have talked to other people [TS]

  about it so I somehow that sort of [TS]

  softens it but in the movie theater i [TS]

  was kinda like screaming in my seat [TS]

  being like really [TS]

  really yeah and i think its balance [TS]

  because you also have like in the latter [TS]

  part of the movie when he gets possessed [TS]

  by Rolen and then Hemsworth does a [TS]

  rather damn good job of you know doing [TS]

  your kc ya so he did that I mean he's [TS]

  always had good comic instincts because [TS]

  there are actually several moments and [TS]

  thor where even my husband who's finicky [TS]

  about both comedy and and load super [TS]

  superhero movies like my husband [TS]

  actually laughed out loud at the same [TS]

  time I was and when I was watching [TS]

  avengers age of ultron like his casual [TS]

  pasty like his casual delivery of some [TS]

  lines in his haste in his hasty amending [TS]

  of others is obviously supposed to be [TS]

  you know he's got good time he's got [TS]

  good instincts and i love the dance [TS]

  sequence because you can't not have the [TS]

  winner of Australia's dance with the [TS]

  stars in your life without making him do [TS]

  a dance number like it i only used him [TS]

  that they made him to have this is so [TS]

  great [TS]

  thank you i agree i I am very very glad [TS]

  that we got to see the dance number in [TS]

  the credits but i am even more glad that [TS]

  they did not get in ya see you provide [TS]

  like that I like that we don't get a [TS]

  whole lot of him I to be honest one of [TS]

  the things I like about it is i like how [TS]

  the bulk of the road movie focuses on [TS]

  the challenges that go to the women the [TS]

  relationships they have with each other [TS]

  the way they look at the world and kevin [TS]

  is just like this [TS]

  Cavendish's thereto to burnish their [TS]

  motivation or give them someone to talk [TS]

  to or whatever and I'm like this is what [TS]

  it's like being the girl in every other [TS]

  movie this is so fun to watch [TS]

  bigflip do any pots have nearly the same [TS]

  amount of screen time that he did I [TS]

  remember her as being in maybe three or [TS]

  four see shoes actually she's not very [TS]

  many strange yeah she's in ghostbusters [TS]

  too much more serious that's true and [TS]

  she gets it she gets a nice we should [TS]

  talk [TS]

  there are there are a lot of cameos in [TS]

  this movie she gets she gets interesting [TS]

  we are at a hotel receptionist desk [TS]

  being exactly who she was in [TS]

  ghostbusters which I thought was a good [TS]

  fit [TS]

  dan Aykroyd is a shifty cabbie who says [TS]

  I ain't afraid of no ghosts which I [TS]

  thought was actually a good use of of [TS]

  dan Aykroyd in that scene [TS]

  Bill Murray gets to extend my reach [TS]

  literally thought bill murray was going [TS]

  to be like a passerby it's like I walk [TS]

  through your movie but that's a pretty [TS]

  good to extended scenes as the guy who [TS]

  does not believe in ghosts and is [TS]

  ejected out a window think gets killed [TS]

  by one who loves ya i have mixed [TS]

  feelings about those cameos like I get [TS]

  the peep [TS]

  I don't personally I get that other [TS]

  people have really strong nostalgic [TS]

  attachment to these movies and [TS]

  passionately enjoy the University room [TS]

  and have a big relationship with the [TS]

  cock cartoons or whatever and so it's oh [TS]

  you can see the best of harold ramis [TS]

  only get to see all of our old friends [TS]

  and in bit parts and it's not and I'm [TS]

  just like hit it's it's it's felt some [TS]

  of those interactions little she warned [TS]

  in or they wouldn't have been nearly so [TS]

  good if you're like oh look it's annie [TS]

  potts you know doing things the phones [TS]

  haha so I'm just like well it's it's [TS]

  it's nice that they were there [TS]

  my my favorite one was actually when [TS]

  Ernie Hudson and Leslie Jones E string [TS]

  of the hearses the end of a session next [TS]

  up for the whole movie right there you [TS]

  have it for the whole movie and I didn't [TS]

  see it I didn't stop to think about it [TS]

  and so when he shows up on my god of [TS]

  course are set so it is so that was so [TS]

  great i thought that was good i think i [TS]

  think the problem is when they overstay [TS]

  their welcome if they're fast and [TS]

  they're out of there it's okay like [TS]

  accurate thing was a little bit long [TS]

  bill murray's thing was very long but at [TS]

  least he got to be kind of against type [TS]

  and then is horribly killed which he had [TS]

  famously said about doing a Ghostbuster [TS]

  sequel that he would only come back and [TS]

  do it if you got killed in it and so [TS]

  they can so they killed him i would so [TS]

  so about this so Ghostbusters the [TS]

  original I've seen it like 50 60 times [TS]

  it is one of my favorite movies of all [TS]

  time even though I is very flawed I know [TS]

  I'm see enough times you notice all the [TS]

  flaws let me tell you about it but like [TS]

  I will say this and and of course [TS]

  there's the whole controversy about [TS]

  people saying oh this is terrible [TS]

  they're remaking this wonderful movie [TS]

  well guess what every single movie that [TS]

  ever made any money will be remade at [TS]

  least once probably more times than that [TS]

  I can you can tell as somebody who's [TS]

  seen the original 50 60 70 times you can [TS]

  see that the people who made this movie [TS]

  not only know that movie they love that [TS]

  movie and they know it by heart because [TS]

  there are such obscure references not [TS]

  only these cameos but they're like [TS]

  really weird obscure reference [TS]

  says throughout to the original now we [TS]

  could argue maybe it's too much maybe [TS]

  you should pretend like that movie [TS]

  didn't happen and just make your movie [TS]

  instead of being I mean that this is [TS]

  like the argument about about watchmen [TS]

  being faithful to the comic it's about [TS]

  star trek into darkness being too much [TS]

  trying to make Star Trek to there'll be [TS]

  lots of different versions of this [TS]

  argument and I I think there's something [TS]

  to those arguments but what I will say [TS]

  is as somebody who loved that movie I [TS]

  felt the love that this movie had for [TS]

  that movie they're making their own [TS]

  movie it's kind of not as remake easy as [TS]

  I thought it was going to be the Stay [TS]

  Puft Marshmallow Man is a ghost balloon [TS]

  not the big bad guy [TS]

  it's not it's not quite as as you know [TS]

  they they weren't just remaking it with [TS]

  the with the women instead of men in the [TS]

  part but I can feel the love for the [TS]

  original do these people get it they [TS]

  know everything that was in that movie [TS]

  and they reference it throughout so but [TS]

  you know I think arguable whether that [TS]

  actually makes this a better movie or [TS]

  not but it's certainly sent the message [TS]

  to me that these are people who know [TS]

  everything there is to know about [TS]

  Ghostbusters when they made this movie [TS]

  it might not make it a better movie but [TS]

  i think it makes it more lovable movie [TS]

  because it was for me it's I mean seeing [TS]

  the love that they have made me feel it [TS]

  and I think most of the cameos they did [TS]

  a decent job of having a reason for it [TS]

  like yeah bill murray's was the longest [TS]

  but i also think that his character kind [TS]

  of needed to be in the movie whether it [TS]

  was Bill Murray playing it or something [TS]

  completely different they had to have a [TS]

  skeptic to kind of push again he's [TS]

  almost william atherton part in the [TS]

  schoolroom the second half of that cami [TS]

  aware he's actually in the office with [TS]

  them was the only seen or I felt actual [TS]

  tension and didn't know what the [TS]

  characters were about to do the it was [TS]

  it felt in some ways to me like almost [TS]

  like the heart of errands character was [TS]

  in that scene that this is he he's the [TS]

  gatekeeper he's the one she has to feel [TS]

  like she has to prove herself to and so [TS]

  there's that question are we going to [TS]

  release the ghost and prove them or are [TS]

  we going to keep the ghosts because we [TS]

  spent so darn much time like right after [TS]

  this thing and capturing it whatever [TS]

  and it just felt like you know we've [TS]

  seen the first half of of errands like [TS]

  struggled to be validated by the mail [TS]

  expert in the University and this was [TS]

  the second half and it's that feeling of [TS]

  like do I want them to acknowledge me or [TS]

  or am I asking for a pat on the head and [TS]

  you know is that just the wrong move and [TS]

  I was I wanted her to feel like she was [TS]

  above it but I really wanted that goes [TS]

  to pop out of there and prove him wrong [TS]

  and then I killed him you have attention [TS]

  attention is not just are they going to [TS]

  open or not which is really interesting [TS]

  because they have different opinions and [TS]

  they don't you know that they get right [TS]

  but then the tension also when they open [TS]

  it's like it looks like is there gonna [TS]

  be a ghost remember that moment is [TS]

  pretty was like hello little guy low and [TS]

  the boom he's dead [TS]

  ok working we don't see him dead but [TS]

  he's he's very badly and the window has [TS]

  been defenestrated yeah exactly right [TS]

  you hate that I hate when that happens I [TS]

  want to ask about the plot you know we [TS]

  we've covered a lot of it obviously what [TS]

  happens here is we have a rowan who is [TS]

  our who is our bad guy who who is Neil [TS]

  Casey he he tells patty for have [TS]

  helpfully that she's going to be among [TS]

  the last to die as a service worker [TS]

  thanks dude he is he's got this is a [TS]

  place where i actually like this plot [TS]

  better than what they did in the [TS]

  original Ghostbusters because i think [TS]

  it's a very clever modification they [TS]

  have an enemy in ghostbusters [TS]

  the enemy is the supernatural enemy uh [TS]

  of gozer who is it was basically like a [TS]

  guy built a building in the twenties and [TS]

  then 60 years later finally it worked [TS]

  and in this movie [TS]

  somebody is causing everything to happen [TS]

  this guy is trying to bring about the [TS]

  apocalypse he has a plan [TS]

  he's trying to open the door from you [TS]

  know to the other dimension and I think [TS]

  that's a really good choice that that [TS]

  they there is a subtle moment well it's [TS]

  not super subtle but like there's a [TS]

  glowing like one of his devices in the [TS]

  mansion at the beginning and we don't [TS]

  like nobody goes oh look there's a [TS]

  device down there it's sort of like nine [TS]

  or pushes in a little bit and then you [TS]

  just kind of move on but it you think [TS]

  back to it later you're like oh he was [TS]

  there too [TS]

  and that's the end and I I like that [TS]

  about this that they have it they have a [TS]

  true enemy and and it's this guy i don't [TS]

  i don't know if i love the fact that the [TS]

  guy ends up being the towering creature [TS]

  destroying the city at the end rather [TS]

  than a scary malevolent you know God [TS]

  from another dimension but i do like [TS]

  that it happens for a reason [TS]

  instead of it just sort of happening [TS]

  like weather which is what happens in [TS]

  original yeah i'm glad that it happened [TS]

  for a reason that they did have somebody [TS]

  trying to bring this about like you said [TS]

  rather than just spontaneous boogeymen [TS]

  from the original ghostbusters [TS]

  um I was almost not sold on the arm you [TS]

  know nerdy picked on by getting revenge [TS]

  on the entire world thing until we hit [TS]

  one moment they're confronting him in [TS]

  the hotel and he's complaining about how [TS]

  he's been bullied and beaten all his [TS]

  life and abby is just like yeah that [TS]

  happens to us too and you know the [TS]

  unspoken and you know we didn't go crazy [TS]

  yeah whereas i could absolutely by this [TS]

  guy as as the villain ya can get outside [TS]

  sense of entitlement yeah his complete [TS]

  inability to take any responsibility for [TS]

  how people react to him and how he moves [TS]

  through the world his completely skewed [TS]

  sense of priorities his false sense of [TS]

  Education it was just if you had been if [TS]

  you had gone to somebody and said make [TS]

  me a movie where read it is the villain [TS]

  like like this is what they would have [TS]

  come up with they could not have made [TS]

  this guy I'm you know I suppose there's [TS]

  a criticism to be made with all you [TS]

  could have tried to make it you know [TS]

  gives a little sympathy former have [TS]

  understand his motivations but you know [TS]

  I kinda like the idea that moves like no [TS]

  you don't have to sympathize with them [TS]

  you are under no obligation to [TS]

  understand this guy the fact of the [TS]

  matter is that by the time you interact [TS]

  with them use a total tool box and you [TS]

  and you just want me in your life it [TS]

  doesn't there's no origin story that [TS]

  makes him more sympathetic and there's [TS]

  no good reason for what he does he's [TS]

  just he's insulting city and jerk and [TS]

  yes he did that moment is actually kind [TS]

  of breathtaking when he does the villain [TS]

  speech thing and he's like they never [TS]

  listen to me and they didn't take me [TS]

  seriously and and they look down on me [TS]

  and all that and then the Ghostbusters [TS]

  looking more like you know that's pretty [TS]

  much what happens to us all the time [TS]

  right yeah I just [TS]

  that's what makes that's what makes them [TS]

  so that's actually that is what made up [TS]

  for cuz i'm i'm actually on the other [TS]

  side of the fence hear from you Jason I [TS]

  i really missed the sort of ancient evil [TS]

  coming to take over and maybe just [TS]

  because i read i read so much fantasy i [TS]

  like the ancient evil i just miss that [TS]

  there was not in the original [TS]

  co-sponsors kind of no catalyst for it [TS]

  and i wanted i love that I like that [TS]

  there's no cattle it feels more cult [TS]

  that way it's like the thing that has [TS]

  been sleeping potion doors open for you [TS]

  now I guess it's time for her to wake up [TS]

  already know maybe because I play so [TS]

  much D&D just there you know reading [TS]

  Lovecraft about the idea of sort of an [TS]

  ancient evil that doesn't particularly [TS]

  have a face at least not the one that [TS]

  you can see to me is much more [TS]

  interesting as a villain in whittier [TS]

  somebody roll a 1 and the building which [TS]

  up it's just when can i angered the [TS]

  building [TS]

  have you tried sweeping sidewalks it [TS]

  likes that if you're gonna give them the [TS]

  villain of face and actually you know [TS]

  have it be a character i could not have [TS]

  chosen any better than this because yes [TS]

  the idea of you know just the the [TS]

  stereotypical angry nerd on the internet [TS]

  being that you know he's like a walking [TS]

  youtube comment and it's bad guys so [TS]

  gathers you can't go wrong with that so [TS]

  i did i did enjoy and that seemed that [TS]

  you guys mentioned was also like a [TS]

  jaw-dropper for me because I was like [TS]

  wow way to lay it out for us film left [TS]

  about that what else I loved is that in [TS]

  this movie the women don't do a whole [TS]

  lot of emotional labor for them in their [TS]

  lives like there aren't any scenes where [TS]

  they spend their time fretting or [TS]

  worrying about some dude state of mind [TS]

  they don't spend a whole lot of time [TS]

  trying to make some trying to eat some [TS]

  guys and security by mouthing platitudes [TS]

  or or like no no its you really [TS]

  misunderstood and we're here to help you [TS]

  like like they take care of each other [TS]

  as friends but like nobody is there to [TS]

  make Kevin feel good about his life [TS]

  choices nobody [TS]

  is there to make this villain feel good [TS]

  about his life choices they don't even [TS]

  want to make the mayor feel good about [TS]

  anything he's doing and is it is so nice [TS]

  like okay is so nice to watch a movie [TS]

  like that where after watching say [TS]

  Captain America 3 where everyone was [TS]

  like no no Tony Stark don't do that or [TS]

  no no captain america don't do that [TS]

  these are my friends too or after [TS]

  watching like the Avengers where it's [TS]

  but I don't know man what do you think [TS]

  the problem is and like it's just so [TS]

  nice to have these people who are like I [TS]

  like I like science thing up i like [TS]

  being right about stuff I like hanging [TS]

  with my friends I like papa john's pizza [TS]

  because the script makes me and we're [TS]

  gonna do this thing [TS]

  there's a moment where Abby's character [TS]

  explicitly calls role in a bully [TS]

  she shouted out the window Adam as he's [TS]

  like riding away with with some Kevin's [TS]

  body and it felt very deliberate and I [TS]

  appreciated the heck out of it that and [TS]

  again like another while you lay it out [TS]

  for the movie just laying it out there [TS]

  because we see him getting bullied and [TS]

  by other people and he is still himself [TS]

  a bully and it's a direct pointing the [TS]

  finger at every internet jerk who is [TS]

  using his own tortured history as as an [TS]

  excuse and that was I was gonna wave a [TS]

  flag that was what I was like four mhm i [TS]

  want to talk about the the government [TS]

  part of this story which again in the [TS]

  original they go see the mayor the here [TS]

  we get first of andy garcia is the mayor [TS]

  which is just a wacky part and Cecily [TS]

  strong [TS]

  Cecily Strong's is a is a PR person [TS]

  basically you know it does not unclench [TS]

  your jaw and not even a little bit of [TS]

  here SIA has one of the other wacky [TS]

  lines in the movie which is I'm not the [TS]

  jaws mayor don't say I'm a bear and [TS]

  they're meeting their fetters a deep cut [TS]

  that is bizarre but i want to ask about [TS]

  the FBI stuff because this is actually [TS]

  one of the problems with the plot of [TS]

  this movie is I feel like there's that [TS]

  moment where the basically the [TS]

  government calls on the supernatural [TS]

  people like that Fox Mulder had been [TS]

  waiting his whole life for this moment [TS]

  and he never got it is which is like yes [TS]

  there is a conspiracy but we've got it [TS]

  so just go back we're going [TS]

  and the funny part is we're going to [TS]

  pretend that you're incompetent but now [TS]

  it's totally real and and that is funny [TS]

  but I never really bought this part of [TS]

  the story because I felt like I wanted [TS]

  the government to either say we're [TS]

  covering it up but we know nothing and [TS]

  have them be like outrage like we can [TS]

  help you with this or to have it be like [TS]

  the government is on it and they've got [TS]

  their own people on it [TS]

  I really honestly all I really wanted [TS]

  was a scene where they said we got our [TS]

  we've got our top men working on and [TS]

  maybe who and they taught yeah man I [TS]

  realized that's referencing another one [TS]

  of my favorite movies but still that [TS]

  moment of like oh no the government's [TS]

  got this and the ghost buster will be [TS]

  like no no we're the experts so who do [TS]

  you have [TS]

  and instead it was like they didn't want [TS]

  to talk about it like they didn't want [TS]

  to say the government new other than [TS]

  that look at it or that the government [TS]

  wasn't completely incompetent and just [TS]

  want to cover it up and hope it went [TS]

  away I felt like they were in this weird [TS]

  middle ground and I felt like I get why [TS]

  they did it for the plot and the movie [TS]

  and maybe some of the jokes but I really [TS]

  it didn't sit well with me like the FBI [TS]

  agents are like the FBI agents and [TS]

  diehard they're completely useless and I [TS]

  don't know I just I just wanted [TS]

  something different I felt like there [TS]

  must have been some other spin they [TS]

  could put on on like what the government [TS]

  knows to make the Ghostbusters more [TS]

  incensed or see more capable like that [TS]

  the government doesn't even want to [TS]

  listen to them and instead it was like [TS]

  no no we've got it under control [TS]

  blank space yeah like you said it [TS]

  doesn't fit because they they don't go [TS]

  for one or the other up to me it just [TS]

  felt like this one huge metaphor of um [TS]

  you know women's efforts being undercut [TS]

  again you know like if a woman does [TS]

  something and there's a man around you [TS]

  can take credit for it he might yeah [TS]

  yeah that's sort of that it's not like [TS]

  that i just wanted a better explanation [TS]

  for why I get I I mean that it was [TS]

  effective and funny when they're always [TS]

  made to be incompetent NBC on TV and [TS]

  they're like oh man I just wanted like [TS]

  why did that happen and I did I didn't [TS]

  get any logic I felt like from the movie [TS]

  about that now I don't forget him [TS]

  this is a post-911 world and they you [TS]

  know sort of have to acknowledge what if [TS]

  if this was a real thing if ghosts were [TS]

  really happening in New York help with [TS]

  home some homeland security would have a [TS]

  role in it they would be doing something [TS]

  um and they wouldn't necessarily want a [TS]

  public entity involved in nature but on [TS]

  the other hand you know if they were [TS]

  serious about that then you know you [TS]

  shut down the whole operation you [TS]

  convince the Ghostbusters to move to [TS]

  another town or you know arrest them or [TS]

  something we'll just stay out of this [TS]

  one because we had our own people but we [TS]

  never really saw their own people [TS]

  yeah it would be really funny if they [TS]

  had talked about their own people and [TS]

  you cut to like Claire Danes in a room [TS]

  with a really elaborate charge yard [TS]

  between photos and she's like ranting [TS]

  and raving and no one is listening to [TS]

  her like that would have been one of the [TS]

  her like that would have been one of the [TS]

  greatest you okay and it would have also [TS]

  done a really good job of continuing the [TS]

  theme that women often don't get listen [TS]

  to even when they're onto something and [TS]

  even when they should be respected for [TS]

  their chops like that would have been [TS]

  just a wonderful idea where they're like [TS]

  do we have a best person like of course [TS]

  we do and they're cut to somebody who's [TS]

  there [TS]

  her phone is literally disconnected and [TS]

  nobody's noticed and she's got her giant [TS]

  diagram and she's figured out the whole [TS]

  thing and she's ranting and raving about [TS]

  New York and no one is talking to her I [TS]

  kind of wondered especially at the end [TS]

  after seeing the dance sequence moved to [TS]

  the end credits i wondered if there is [TS]

  there is actually more to the FBI plot [TS]

  haha that got either not feeling in the [TS]

  first place or film and cut or something [TS]

  because I agree it did feel it felt very [TS]

  thin like it in a movie that had a lot [TS]

  of depth in a lot of places it was just [TS]

  like sort of the one paper thin thing [TS]

  that was just plastering over one little [TS]

  section of the tone you got to see this [TS]

  right here is like my I would I felt [TS]

  overall like just so confused about this [TS]

  movie when i left the theater because [TS]

  there's so much I liked about it and so [TS]

  much that just didn't work that I ended [TS]

  up did just feeling very alike [TS]

  I didn't know what I thought of it I [TS]

  haven't felt that way about a movie in a [TS]

  long time but going back to the die-hard [TS]

  thing i thought of die hard 2 and it's [TS]

  in die hard the FBI become sort of the [TS]

  de facto villain in that they are they [TS]

  play straight into the hands of a [TS]

  coolant and Hans Gruber and they further [TS]

  his scheme and that serves to build up [TS]

  John McClane in a way that doesn't [TS]

  happen in this movie and so they really [TS]

  i mean they are i felt like they needed [TS]

  a reason to sideline the ghostbusters [TS]

  yeah that was why it's your example on [TS]

  the sideline them and they never really [TS]

  get a good excuse like because we say so [TS]

  yeah like once they toss Bill Murray's [TS]

  character out a window it's like they [TS]

  still need some somebody or something [TS]

  keeping them down and this was the best [TS]

  they could come up with [TS]

  yeah I feel like to address means point [TS]

  um [TS]

  I loved the experience of watching this [TS]

  movie and I loved that I got all the way [TS]

  for the movie and I was able to like let [TS]

  out a breath I hadn't even been aware I [TS]

  was holding um because again there's no [TS]

  looks policing in this movie [TS]

  no woman is reduced merely to whatever [TS]

  value she brings to a dude's life like [TS]

  there's no Cameron Crowe thank you [TS]

  woman for helping me see the value of [TS]

  who i am because you have done nothing [TS]

  but devote your life to the value of me [TS]

  like that there's just so much about [TS]

  this movie that sell friendly 22 to me [TS]

  as a woman watching it um you know the [TS]

  the idea that it's women who have [TS]

  relationships with each other when they [TS]

  don't spend our time talking about men [TS]

  at all like they actually have thoughts [TS]

  and feelings about the world or or [TS]

  things that they're interested in um and [TS]

  when they're in a fight there is nothing [TS]

  sexualized about what they're doing and [TS]

  they want to resolve things they want to [TS]

  result like the unit because it's one of [TS]

  the corp beats in this movie is that a [TS]

  bee and Aaron makeup and they become [TS]

  friends and collaborators but they're [TS]

  stronger for it and so I love that it [TS]

  was a movie that doesn't make you feel [TS]

  bad about how you look it is a movie [TS]

  that celebrates women as people with Fox [TS]

  and ambitions and interests outside of [TS]

  men and families and things like that [TS]

  and it's celebrated female relationships [TS]

  and there's no Manic Pixie right dose [TS]

  right right there's no emotional labor [TS]

  than anybody does [TS]

  there's no emotional labor anybody does [TS]

  they shouldn't have to do and so like [TS]

  that's just such a weird experience to [TS]

  have and I can't remember the last time [TS]

  i've watched a movie where I haven't had [TS]

  to go okay yes but at some point during [TS]

  the movie where I have to like it even [TS]

  though some of it just like is all [TS]

  oh that's right um that said just [TS]

  because the movie had all those great [TS]

  and novel things going for it [TS]

  there are like complications that you [TS]

  could drive a truck through and there [TS]

  are choices i would have made in the [TS]

  movie and there is like I don't know I [TS]

  may be the only one who's really [TS]

  disappointed that the movie also didn't [TS]

  throw a wrench and Aaron by having the [TS]

  woman who haunted her at the end of her [TS]

  bed come back like I was so happy that [TS]

  didn't happen [TS]

  no because she actually [TS]

  and I was like who the hell wants a [TS]

  woman what the hell has a kid for a year [TS]

  and thought if this ghost comes back and [TS]

  aaron has to confront it like this can [TS]

  be a moment that lets her move on from [TS]

  that primal trauma you know I would have [TS]

  liked to have seen how they would have [TS]

  had a movie would have handled that I'm [TS]

  not exactly a local yeah only because I [TS]

  was so thrilled that they didn't have [TS]

  that because that seemed to me to be [TS]

  sort of the I was like no one needs a [TS]

  catharsis in this movie no one uses the [TS]

  past [TS]

  no one needs to like have the like hug [TS]

  it out and cry sort of thing happened to [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah that is you anything brought up [TS]

  that woman I was like well there's the [TS]

  gun on the mantelpiece i'm just waiting [TS]

  for it to go off and when they did [TS]

  didn't it would just had when it was [TS]

  just this little monologue that she got [TS]

  to have about her origin as a [TS]

  ghostbuster that that to me felt like a [TS]

  little gift it was like we got to see [TS]

  inside her for a little bit was like the [TS]

  only bit of Interior already we got on [TS]

  you know I guess any of these characters [TS]

  really that wasn't directly related to [TS]

  the plot and it got to just stand there [TS]

  on its own as an intimate moment and I [TS]

  was really glad we didn't get to see [TS]

  that old lady [TS]

  yeah it does feel like a movie that is [TS]

  very much moving forward this is this is [TS]

  a river running you know down the stream [TS]

  carrying these characters forward were [TS]

  not yet not confronting the past and [TS]

  stuff well i think that would be a fun [TS]

  thing to look at in in the sequel i do [TS]

  agree at that is not something that I [TS]

  actually noticed or thought about in [TS]

  watching the movie but now that i think [TS]

  about it i'm i'm ok with it not being [TS]

  there because it would have maybe felt a [TS]

  little bit like backtracking i want to [TS]

  mention the dance because we've touched [TS]

  on it i just found i want to say again [TS]

  that it's really bizarre like first off [TS]

  in the movie [TS]

  I mean you could tell that they have [TS]

  been blessing for deciding something [TS]

  didn't work and and just taking it out [TS]

  but like in the movie he makes the the [TS]

  cops and the FBI guys and everybody else [TS]

  in the street [TS]

  do these dance poses and you're watching [TS]

  and you're like what is happening huh [TS]

  the bathroom and then and then at the [TS]

  end of the movie over the end credits [TS]

  there's a dance scene with stats in that [TS]

  moment and [TS]

  it's just I I'll i can't remember seeing [TS]

  something so clearly like what we liked [TS]

  this sort of but not enough to put in [TS]

  the movie so we'll put it over the end [TS]

  credits like this scene and I I mean I [TS]

  guess it goes to a week and fuel all of [TS]

  our theories about stuff that makes no [TS]

  sense because they made changes in [TS]

  editing because thatthat's you know I [TS]

  don't know I just wanted to mention it [TS]

  because it's really bizarre that they're [TS]

  like yeah and remember that scene it [TS]

  didn't make any sense [TS]

  here's the music video over the end [TS]

  credits it felt like it was an [TS]

  acknowledgement of we all know how [TS]

  movies are made we all see like the [TS]

  second disc that comes with with the [TS]

  blue right now we all see the behind the [TS]

  scenes in the cutscenes and whatever so [TS]

  instead of saving the cutscene for the [TS]

  for the you know the the extra on the [TS]

  disc here you can have it now and it was [TS]

  like here's our gift to you yes that [TS]

  moment was stupid [TS]

  here's the here's why that moment was [TS]

  stupid here's what you didn't see we're [TS]

  going to show you now instead of you [TS]

  having to wait six months [TS]

  yeah i think my guess is that this was [TS]

  rolling killing time waiting for the [TS]

  Ghostbusters to show up you know wait [TS]

  because they were eventually gonna get [TS]

  there there's his line about women [TS]

  always later whatever it is and as you [TS]

  said they realize that it too long to [TS]

  goofy but if we put it in the credits [TS]

  and i think that works because both of [TS]

  the viewings that I've seen so far are [TS]

  people who were still there watching [TS]

  guess what guys there's scene after the [TS]

  credits stay for it that a lot of people [TS]

  were giggling and laughing watching it [TS]

  so the way they found to use it i think [TS]

  it worked [TS]

  mhm yeah i think this was the most like [TS]

  uplifted and happy and chatty and giggly [TS]

  and audience has ever been both during [TS]

  the credits and at the end more people [TS]

  stayed for the credits during this then [TS]

  then even most of the Marvel movies are [TS]

  going to see on opening night you know [TS]

  you'd think those people would know [TS]

  better than to leave before the credits [TS]

  are open but are over but no no they're [TS]

  they're gone [TS]

  whereas a good chunk of the theater [TS]

  stayed around for this and then as the [TS]

  lights were coming up and everybody was [TS]

  wandering out afterwards people were [TS]

  joking with each other and laughing and [TS]

  talking about things they had seen in [TS]

  the movie and you know Harold Ramis is [TS]

  bust and just take it was such a feeling [TS]

  of come together Glee that I hadn't [TS]

  experienced even at like something like [TS]

  the force awakens which was an amazing [TS]

  experience all its own [TS]

  it didn't have the same sort of feeling [TS]

  of just pure togetherness and happiness [TS]

  which was really nice to experience and [TS]

  I i do credit at least some of that with [TS]

  having such just a a blatantly [TS]

  over-the-top happy we're having a good [TS]

  time sort of seen over the credits i [TS]

  didn't mind it over the credits it was [TS]

  like baby group dance yeah exactly [TS]

  probably to them for taking it out [TS]

  because that would have been horrible in [TS]

  the beginning but yeah I mean I had some [TS]

  issues with the with the end secrets but [TS]

  boy they would have been so much worse [TS]

  had that yeah part of the movie proper [TS]

  are what are your issues [TS]

  tell me tell me your issues my issue was [TS]

  that it got toward the end and I [TS]

  realized oh dear this is going to be a [TS]

  great big over-the-top in-your-face cgi [TS]

  action sequence and one of the things [TS]

  that I love so much about the original [TS]

  Ghostbusters was sort of the elegance of [TS]

  the end of it it's for schlubby guys [TS]

  that have to climb a whole bunch of [TS]

  stairs and they're not in great shape [TS]

  and they're exhausted and really they [TS]

  beat the bad guy [TS]

  bye-bye using their brains and you know [TS]

  they almost beat themselves by using [TS]

  their brains two things right you know [TS]

  it but they're they're just you know [TS]

  it's for proton packs and using them [TS]

  appropriately there's there's not an ex [TS]

  action sequence so the fact that they [TS]

  were adding it here I was like really in [TS]

  this day and age I guess every single [TS]

  summer blockbuster has to have an annual [TS]

  sequence and I was kind of very sad [TS]

  about that and then as I was watching it [TS]

  dawned on me you know what you never get [TS]

  to see women having an action sequence [TS]

  like this [TS]

  just just all kinds of of glory and [TS]

  they're just they're having fun and [TS]

  kicking butt in a way that I mean [TS]

  usually when you see really kick-ass [TS]

  lady action sequences the ladies are [TS]

  dressed in skin tight leather and [TS]

  there's a lot of slow motion and [TS]

  close-ups on peeping bosoms and all that [TS]

  sort of stuff within the action sequence [TS]

  which drives me crazy and here we didn't [TS]

  have any of that this is just a bunch of [TS]

  people who are trying to save the world [TS]

  and actually having fun doing it and [TS]

  realizing that this is something that [TS]

  almost never gets a chance to happen and [TS]

  this whole movie is one big thing that [TS]

  almost never get a chance to happen i [TS]

  cannot blame them for taking this [TS]

  opportunity to put something like that [TS]

  in there and and then you had the [TS]

  ultimate scene which yeah that was that [TS]

  was lying on the Kinsey scale right yeah [TS]

  yeah 40 yeah we are post matrix is of [TS]

  course there was going to be special [TS]

  effects and as you said some kind of [TS]

  made big fight sequencers you know they [TS]

  were going to fight a big band of some [TS]

  sort on I had a and as you said all we [TS]

  got was them fighting them helping each [TS]

  other than supporting each other as they [TS]

  fought arm and then that was you have [TS]

  the other thing of the the way they [TS]

  chose to take it out loosen his grip and [TS]

  they go for the court shot loved it with [TS]

  am absolutely loved one of the things [TS]

  that I like throughout this movie is and [TS]

  a thing that doesn't happen again it got [TS]

  the original Ghostbusters just skipped [TS]

  right over it is [TS]

  Holtzman in the background is inventing [TS]

  new things all the time right yeah and [TS]

  it's like manic you and all we get you [TS]

  know and in the original Ghostbusters we [TS]

  get literally two scenes where they use [TS]

  their equipment there's a scene in the [TS]

  hotel [TS]

  I mean I guess it's too seems there's [TS]

  seen upstairs where they burn the toilet [TS]

  paper and scare the the lady in pink me [TS]

  get slimed and there's the scene in the [TS]

  ballroom and then there's the scene at [TS]

  the end right that those are the two [TS]

  things we see of them using the [TS]

  equipment here at the end one of the [TS]

  things I really like about it is it's [TS]

  messy enough when they get there that [TS]

  they have to use their equipment and we [TS]

  see everything that they've used and [TS]

  then some things that we didn't even [TS]

  know holtzman a invented and and and [TS]

  everything like is used with a purpose [TS]

  they use they use the the little proton [TS]

  packs of so much more than it's used in [TS]

  the original and you can really see like [TS]

  these are why they work the way they [TS]

  work which i really like all of that if [TS]

  there's anything in that and I really [TS]

  like that when they finally get the [TS]

  giant towering thing you're like well [TS]

  let's go for a soft spot and they and [TS]

  they shoot him in the crotch I thought [TS]

  that was hilarious [TS]

  I didn't think it went a little i went a [TS]

  little long i also like the ghost I [TS]

  think that goes really weird that like [TS]

  that all still like ghost walking around [TS]

  and stuff yeah another I thought they [TS]

  looked to glow and weird and I like to [TS]

  them I thought they I thought it was a [TS]

  like almost like a carnival but evil and [TS]

  ghostly currently i liked it i think [TS]

  that the portal thing was a little bit [TS]

  years and I and I get why emotionally [TS]

  they wanted to have 11 of them save the [TS]

  other one and and all of that but it is [TS]

  not only do they feel a little big hero [TS]

  6 to me but it felt like that one was [TS]

  was uh I kind of wanted to be over I [TS]

  don't want them to just sort of solve [TS]

  the problem and be done instead of [TS]

  having it extend for another five [TS]

  minutes as they kind of go down through [TS]

  a portal and then come back i kinda like [TS]

  that because it was to me that was sort [TS]

  of the replacement for the elegance of [TS]

  the ending of the original I I wanted a [TS]

  little bit of that more sort of but [TS]

  intimate ending and and that was how I [TS]

  got it and I i agree that it does maybe [TS]

  feels a little bit tacked on but i [TS]

  just-i I just thought it was beautiful [TS]

  i'm going to admit it gave me it gave me [TS]

  entirely different kinds of fields that [TS]

  made me all kind of weepy and and happy [TS]

  and stuff so I did the way that the [TS]

  problem was solved the way I i was [TS]

  really happy that it was Patty who [TS]

  solved it but but the world the way that [TS]

  you know here's the setup and here's the [TS]

  thing the the car that's got the bomb on [TS]

  top of it and here's you know the thing [TS]

  we it felt like the last 10 minutes of a [TS]

  mid-level doctor who episode we're ok [TS]

  now the doctor has to solve the problem [TS]

  well here's the thing that's going to [TS]

  solve the problem apply solution a2 [TS]

  problem be there you go it happened when [TS]

  it needed to happen [TS]

  there you go and that to me felt a [TS]

  little not pat but just I wanted more i [TS]

  wanted a little more surprised i wanted [TS]

  a little more tension and it was just [TS]

  everything was just telegraphed so [TS]

  clearly three minutes before it actually [TS]

  happened that I just I was a little [TS]

  bored toward the end and that was that [TS]

  was disappointing [TS]

  yeah i mean i i'm with you i'm the [TS]

  downer i feel like the bomb on the car [TS]

  was not overly telegraphing I just [TS]

  thought it was it was seated at the [TS]

  right time it didn't it didn't feel too [TS]

  obvious to me I didn't think of until [TS]

  after patty said it so as an action [TS]

  sequence i thought the end was boring [TS]

  but I get totally get the emotional [TS]

  appeal of it right i mean I that's why [TS]

  that scene is there it was just sort of [TS]

  coming right on the heels of the rest of [TS]

  the action sequence and also I know I [TS]

  have [TS]

  I have that inside me which is like the [TS]

  physics of either on a cable and then [TS]

  through a portal and how are they going [TS]

  to pull them back and how she actually [TS]

  speeding up to catch the error because [TS]

  are you are they in avoid floating [TS]

  around and any guy in a kind of but [TS]

  again emotionally resonant absolutely it [TS]

  was it was just I think maybe piling it [TS]

  all together but a lot to like about it [TS]

  and and and i think it ended and fun [TS]

  what else have we not talked about the [TS]

  people want to mention because now is [TS]

  your time to bring it all out [TS]

  have we talked about holds me yet [TS]

  because she's pretty great didn't I just [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  oh okay just making sure just making [TS]

  sure i think my favorite thing is [TS]

  actually the first time i watched it [TS]

  when they were all these groups of girls [TS]

  and all these groups of women and then [TS]

  after it was over everyone stayed in the [TS]

  theater and watch the way through even [TS]

  to the like that the Stinger see at the [TS]

  end and then everyone just like stood in [TS]

  the aisles and talked and some the lobby [TS]

  and talked instead the bathroom and [TS]

  talked and it was just there was this [TS]

  palpable sense of pleasure and relief [TS]

  and it was such a great movie going [TS]

  experience and so I think that's gonna [TS]

  color my perception of the movie for a [TS]

  while and I'm looking forward to seeing [TS]

  this one comes out on HBO and two years [TS]

  or whatever because it will be [TS]

  interesting to see how i received the [TS]

  movie then compared to you know the [TS]

  experience of going to see the movie um [TS]

  it has anybody else have that that [TS]

  observation experience for you have to [TS]

  kind of separate out the whole at this [TS]

  place and time the movie felt like this [TS]

  but when i see in a different context i [TS]

  suspect it will be something else [TS]

  oh yeah I'm not even trying though in [TS]

  this case i did a resident of it as it [TS]

  is 400 can yeah yeah yeah there's that [TS]

  because i went in with the mindset you [TS]

  know early on [TS]

  I'm going to pay for this movie and I [TS]

  don't care if it's garbage i'm going to [TS]

  pay for this movie just out of principle [TS]

  and the more I saw of it you have the [TS]

  more i was thinking okay I think I'm [TS]

  gonna like it [TS]

  I did not expect to come out feeling [TS]

  loving it just feeling like I was on a [TS]

  high and i still felt that pretty much [TS]

  the second time around you know even [TS]

  though my son was like you know I liked [TS]

  it but you know uh I didn't like this or [TS]

  I thought that was kinda corny your [TS]

  disowned quiet he hated [TS]

  mrs. Slimer haha oh I hated this line [TS]

  between he was ok with Slimer but he [TS]

  hated the existence of mrs. library and [TS]

  I admit I'm necessary you know goofy [TS]

  unnecessary but i don't know why that [TS]

  just ticked him off so much I thought [TS]

  that was a really good comedy [TS]

  build-to-order it's like he steals with [TS]

  her and then we seem kind of comeback [TS]

  and then he comes back again like yeah [TS]

  this people there's like other ghosts [TS]

  with him and I think he would have been [TS]

  fine with a full car he just didn't like [TS]

  that he didn't like mrs. lamber with her [TS]

  blonde respond week or whatever ya miss [TS]

  pac-man I'm on I'm on Team your son [TS]

  mmm yeah I i kind of am too [TS]

  I I enjoyed that they generate the ghost [TS]

  so aggressively and she ended up just [TS]

  being such an awful stereotype because [TS]

  it it it felt like this pacman it's like [TS]

  everything in the eighties when they're [TS]

  like oh people are complaining because [TS]

  there's no female characters will show [TS]

  you now and they stick in someone's [TS]

  gonna bow on her head come on yeah it's [TS]

  so awful it's just it just has a feel of [TS]

  fine and that's what I love about it is [TS]

  because it's just such a it's such a [TS]

  call back to all of those stupid stupid [TS]

  1980 style cartoons that we have to put [TS]

  on a girl or else now will pick us here [TS]

  you go [TS]

  yeah i kinda just tried to forget the [TS]

  whole Slimer that I liked I liked seeing [TS]

  Slimer at the hot dog cart i thought [TS]

  that was a nice little it was a nice [TS]

  little callback that you didn't [TS]

  necessarily have to have run original [TS]

  movie to to just enjoy but yeah then [TS]

  this Slimers and his family getting it [TS]

  yeah that was just that was too much for [TS]

  me and I had actually forgotten all [TS]

  about the fact that had happened until [TS]

  you guys is probably a good thing i want [TS]

  to mention the scene where they were [TS]

  they that their big sort of eureka [TS]

  moment where they figured out that it's [TS]

  lay lines and they figured out by [TS]

  mapping out the attacks because i am [TS]

  such a huge sucker for a good like [TS]

  yuriko realization seen with a map in it [TS]

  and where is because if that [TS]

  visualization of oak is where were [TS]

  getting the realization we can see it as [TS]

  they see it and [TS]

  I can't remember one that had any women [TS]

  at the the two other ones i can remember [TS]

  our hunt for red october has one and so [TS]

  does sneakers gotta love when you draw [TS]

  you draw thing and things connected [TS]

  there like who they connect right it's [TS]

  like the way we search for a pattern for [TS]

  the serial killer and somebody goes but [TS]

  what if we did it like this yeah oh my [TS]

  god that's where the serial killer is [TS]

  it's a great moment I i had a thing that [TS]

  I want to mention which is about the [TS]

  ending so the ending they they like [TS]

  thanks for saving the city what do you [TS]

  want and they're like we want that [TS]

  firehouse that's the firehouse from from [TS]

  the original Ghostbusters we want that [TS]

  to be our HQ like all right and it's [TS]

  gonna get it and we see Sigourney Weaver [TS]

  in what is a fun cameo as these as the [TS]

  mentor for holtzman he lets her forties [TS]

  you're doing a great job there [TS]

  yeah and that that little scene as well [TS]

  as the post-credits scene because every [TS]

  movies got one of those where where [TS]

  where they're saying because nobody's uu [TS]

  v one of the things that i love about [TS]

  this movie and I loved about a feeling I [TS]

  got walking out of a lot of those [TS]

  classic Star Trek movies always felt [TS]

  this way was like that I can't wait to [TS]

  see the next part of the adventure like [TS]

  you know the news and instruct for they [TS]

  get that they get the new enterprise and [TS]

  they're about to go out and adventures [TS]

  you leave the theater kind of uplifting [TS]

  of like what will those adventures be [TS]

  right and that's how I left this movie I [TS]

  didn't think going into it I never even [TS]

  thought about them doing a sequel to [TS]

  this movie and I came out thinking I [TS]

  really want to see that movie i really [TS]

  want to see them with the all of their [TS]

  powers with the firehouse and and and [TS]

  this cool setup and and sigourney weaver [TS]

  as the scientific mentor I want to see [TS]

  that and that that's a neat trick to you [TS]

  had me sit through the whole movie and [TS]

  get to the end and say oh I want to see [TS]

  I want to see more and they did it [TS]

  I had a lot of fun with this movie and [TS]

  and I wonder what I like about a [TS]

  conversation as I feel like we've [TS]

  covered the high points and I think [TS]

  we've covered the flaws that this movie [TS]

  has and this is not a movie without [TS]

  flaws but you know there were pacing [TS]

  things things that probably should've [TS]

  been cut out just a few strange creative [TS]

  decisions and then also it's a lot of [TS]

  funny moments of good character stuff [TS]

  great cast of the castings phenomenal [TS]

  yeah oh yeah oh yeah and I mean 1i liked [TS]

  it i mean i didn't i didn't love it [TS]

  I don't think it's like the best movie [TS]

  I've ever seen or anything but I thought [TS]

  it was real I thought it was a really [TS]

  good comedy and I love this genre and [TS]

  and that this is jean de that was [TS]

  basically created by the original [TS]

  Ghostbusters i would argue which is the [TS]

  blockbuster comedy the action sci-fi [TS]

  comedy and it was a very eighties kind [TS]

  of concept and i love that I love that [TS]

  there are good spooky ghosts and and [TS]

  science things and jokes altogether [TS]

  that's sort of my thing so I this did [TS]

  this did that and more [TS]

  more like this please yeah you know I [TS]

  much more like that i would say that at [TS]

  this point i do love it and I think a [TS]

  lot of that is likely that was saying [TS]

  just because of the feeling that I had [TS]

  watching at the experience and you know [TS]

  maybe years down the road maybe even [TS]

  just a few months down the road i will [TS]

  it will be downgraded to get to liking [TS]

  it and finding it and enjoy a movie but [TS]

  really from i mean i can actually tell [TS]

  you kind of where the turning-point [TS]

  happened for me there's the awkwardness [TS]

  at the beginning that i wasn't quite [TS]

  enjoying and then you get the scene [TS]

  where Holtzman is dancing to the rhythm [TS]

  of the night and then added comes in and [TS]

  says I don't mean to depart in which [TS]

  they had me that that that dancing that [TS]

  line was like a little hook directly [TS]

  into the heart of America and they just [TS]

  dragged me along for the rest of the [TS]

  movie and holster replies I was into [TS]

  March see how I thought it was a good [TS]

  today that was the moment that they had [TS]

  me and they kept me until the very end [TS]

  so i don't know i'm still writing on the [TS]

  high i plan to go see it again probably [TS]

  next week i was hoping to see you again [TS]

  before we recorded I just didn't have [TS]

  time so so yes I'm going again [TS]

  yeah i'm hoping to go again this weekend [TS]

  so that the so so that'd be a strong [TS]

  second we get the books [TS]

  yes see I wish I didn't feel like this [TS]

  movie is as much of a precious gift as [TS]

  it actually is [TS]

  yeah because I wish I could just enjoy [TS]

  it as a comedy on its own terms and [TS]

  acknowledge successes and acknowledge [TS]

  where it needed work and have a nice fun [TS]

  summer comedy that you go and you see in [TS]

  your laugh at and maybe four days later [TS]

  you don't remember half of it but that's [TS]

  fine [TS]

  the guys get that all the time how many [TS]

  times have I gone and seeing one of [TS]

  those [TS]

  and it in fact instead we felt like you [TS]

  know i-i've I feel like I have to really [TS]

  punch up the good things about it and [TS]

  you know sort of not so much about the [TS]

  bad things about it because it's just so [TS]

  rare and precious and it just sort of [TS]

  makes my heart twists all right I think [TS]

  we've reached the end but i want to [TS]

  thank my panel for telling me that [TS]

  there's a phone in my desk and not just [TS]

  in the aquarium [TS]

  it's important to pro tip for getting to [TS]

  know it's ok Jason we like you despite [TS]

  your many many frustrating work haha i [TS]

  think there's something about a goat uh [TS]

  Lisa miser thank you so much for being [TS]

  here [TS]

  I just want you to have books can't fly [TS]

  and magical babies [TS]

  holy worker thank you thank you erica [TS]

  and sign thanks for being here and thank [TS]

  you you guys this is exactly how I [TS]

  pictured my desk was a good line and she [TS]

  had suffered thank you for being here [TS]

  always a pleasure and thanks for being [TS]

  here for listening to this edition of [TS]

  the uncomfortable we will see you next [TS]

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