The Incomparable

119: The Guilt-Trip Superhero


00:00:00   the Intolerable 190 december twenty well [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:12   podcast I'm Jason smell your host and [TS]

00:00:15   the topic today is something near and [TS]

00:00:16   dear to my heart is my favorite [TS]

00:00:17   superhero of all time [TS]

00:00:19   spider-man yeah he does whatever a [TS]

00:00:22   spider can and to talk about many [TS]

00:00:25   aspects of spidey from the comics too [TS]

00:00:27   animated shows to we can talk about that [TS]

00:00:29   crazy japanese TV show we could talk [TS]

00:00:32   about the 70 show with Nicholas Hammond [TS]

00:00:35   didn't of course we can talk about the [TS]

00:00:36   movies with both of the same Ramey [TS]

00:00:39   version and then the new version the [TS]

00:00:41   amazing spider-man which came out the [TS]

00:00:42   summer [TS]

00:00:43   joining me to talk about Spidey are two [TS]

00:00:47   people who i think are fairly expert in [TS]

00:00:50   the ways of the webhead five-by-five is [TS]

00:00:52   very own damn Benjamin is back and it's [TS]

00:00:56   great to have you here hi Dan [TS]

00:00:57   hey man thanks for having me back i like [TS]

00:00:59   this i can dark can be a gas that can [TS]

00:01:01   relax it's like the party [TS]

00:01:03   there's no stress when your guests i [TS]

00:01:04   love being a guest when you're the host [TS]

00:01:06   like oh god what do I do now but just [TS]

00:01:09   relax sit back we'll talk talk about a [TS]

00:01:11   talking about Peter Parker a little bit [TS]

00:01:12   and also joining me is an do not know [TS]

00:01:16   who else but india naka what i call on [TS]

00:01:18   in my moment of need hi Andy [TS]

00:01:20   hello Jason did you uh actually sadly [TS]

00:01:24   tragically my Uncle Ben was killed by a [TS]

00:01:27   miscreant he said before before he died [TS]

00:01:30   he said with great power comes a [TS]

00:01:32   responsibility to book Indian art Kohn [TS]

00:01:34   more podcasts so he let that's [TS]

00:01:36   interesting because two days ago I made [TS]

00:01:38   some uncle ben's rice and the box said [TS]

00:01:40   add butter be about 10 minutes before [TS]

00:01:42   it's done so that they're so uncle uncle [TS]

00:01:45   uncle has been there always just packed [TS]

00:01:46   with wisdom [TS]

00:01:48   why why were they living in that crappy [TS]

00:01:49   place in queens if he was the heir to a [TS]

00:01:51   rice fortune and I think he was on the [TS]

00:01:55   exile from you know from from very basic [TS]

00:01:58   by you based right interesting LOL most [TS]

00:02:01   grains are controlled by their media [TS]

00:02:03   Marcia had to kick him out and 17 sir [TS]

00:02:05   it's something that every time I I I go [TS]

00:02:08   to New York I'm coming from JFK and we [TS]

00:02:10   go through queens and forest hills and I [TS]

00:02:12   and I think that spider-man territory [TS]

00:02:13   it's funny how the geography of New York [TS]

00:02:15   for me in so many ways is is to find not [TS]

00:02:18   just by marvel comics because they would [TS]

00:02:19   set you know unlike DC which has [TS]

00:02:21   metropolis to Gotham City and things [TS]

00:02:23   like that he's a fictional city [TS]

00:02:24   he's the new york city stars in the [TS]

00:02:27   Marvel Comics and for me it was always [TS]

00:02:29   spider-man and so to this day I will see [TS]

00:02:32   things other than a few places where [TS]

00:02:34   like how that's in ghostbusters right [TS]

00:02:36   but mostly it's it's spider-man it's all [TS]

00:02:38   the various bridges that horrible things [TS]

00:02:40   have happened on and in spider-man lower [TS]

00:02:43   and and even even going to queens it's [TS]

00:02:45   like how does he get to the city from [TS]

00:02:47   all the way out here in Queens [TS]

00:02:49   I try to think about the geography is [TS]

00:02:50   like is to jump on the back of a subway [TS]

00:02:52   does he [TS]

00:02:53   I I don't even know well of course this [TS]

00:02:55   is calls to mind a legendary a Peter [TS]

00:02:58   Parker at the peter david issue of I [TS]

00:03:01   believe Peter Parker the spectacular [TS]

00:03:03   spider-man which he has discovered that [TS]

00:03:05   the first the person who's chasing is [TS]

00:03:06   actually hold up in a New York suburb [TS]

00:03:08   and so he has to basically do exactly [TS]

00:03:11   there no tall buildings to like web [TS]

00:03:12   swing by there eat essentially has to [TS]

00:03:14   like wet himself to the back of like [TS]

00:03:16   buses [TS]

00:03:17   yeah the d train that's why I'm taking a [TS]

00:03:20   a pedestrian spider-man is not exactly [TS]

00:03:22   the most movie movie oriented a visual [TS]

00:03:25   history get you want him to get there as [TS]

00:03:27   fast as to the big buildings as fast as [TS]

00:03:30   possible [TS]

00:03:31   what's going on in Brooklyn these days [TS]

00:03:32   maybe he'll be a around Brooklyn more [TS]

00:03:34   now let's say that the let's see that's [TS]

00:03:36   the other thing to like because that you [TS]

00:03:39   because Marvel uses like real New York [TS]

00:03:41   locations they always try to put him in [TS]

00:03:43   well he's broke all the time so let's [TS]

00:03:44   put them into all the low-rent district [TS]

00:03:46   of new york but that's kind of like a [TS]

00:03:47   map like the trendiest places imaginable [TS]

00:03:50   to go up because one of those hip [TS]

00:03:51   Chelsea apartments know but 1973 that [TS]

00:03:54   was a really bad place to live i was [TS]

00:03:55   taxi driver neighborhood but you know [TS]

00:03:57   it's interesting Jason because you [TS]

00:03:58   mention you know Marvel always picks the [TS]

00:04:01   relocations in DC dozen so that I just I [TS]

00:04:03   just shown I just seen this Dark Knight [TS]

00:04:05   Rises which we're not talking about and [TS]

00:04:07   I have come to understand [TS]

00:04:08   yeah can I haven't seen yet we will why [TS]

00:04:10   shall I was showing you know my kid just [TS]

00:04:12   turned five he's not old enough to watch [TS]

00:04:14   that movie again he seen the first three [TS]

00:04:17   the tobey maguire spider-man despite the [TS]

00:04:19   fact that he was not old enough to watch [TS]

00:04:20   those either sir but definitely not [TS]

00:04:23   enough for dark knight rises but he [TS]

00:04:24   really he a for his birthday one of the [TS]

00:04:26   things he got was the bat he got a bat [TS]

00:04:28   wing that goes with this Batcave set [TS]

00:04:30   thing that he had and and so I said well [TS]

00:04:33   you know there's some really cool like [TS]

00:04:34   bat wings they don't call the batwing [TS]

00:04:37   they call the bat in this movie there's [TS]

00:04:38   animal ruining and you've seen this in [TS]

00:04:40   previous but there's couple cool scenes [TS]

00:04:41   that I want to show them this [TS]

00:04:42   so show them this and and then he [TS]

00:04:45   recalled that I have met Batman I don't [TS]

00:04:47   know if you guys know this but there was [TS]

00:04:49   an awesome comic con year ago and i went [TS]

00:04:51   to it and there was a man who was to [TS]

00:04:53   come [TS]

00:04:54   I mean I'm talking the full suit i mean [TS]

00:04:56   the d the real deal [TS]

00:04:57   this was the dark knight suit full-on [TS]

00:04:59   and he was just tall australian dude I [TS]

00:05:03   said listen my kid doesn't believe me [TS]

00:05:04   that I no man can I get a picture with [TS]

00:05:06   you so I had on my buddy take a picture [TS]

00:05:09   me Maurice I think took it and sent and [TS]

00:05:11   I sent that to to my kid [TS]

00:05:13   long story short he immediately was a oh [TS]

00:05:15   my god i got the coolest dad in a world [TS]

00:05:17   he knows bad it really does know Batman [TS]

00:05:20   yeah so ever since then like it once in [TS]

00:05:21   a while bringing up and he said cool [TS]

00:05:22   where does where does Batman let loose [TS]

00:05:25   in gotham aces well where's Gotham is [TS]

00:05:27   Gotham real like he's knows Batman [TS]

00:05:29   thrilled but he's not sure about java [TS]

00:05:30   and and and so you know he knows [TS]

00:05:33   spider-man lives in New York knows I've [TS]

00:05:35   been in New York so why didn't I meet [TS]

00:05:36   spider-man was it's an interesting [TS]

00:05:38   decision right to have that real [TS]

00:05:40   geography instead of that someone [TS]

00:05:42   fiction metropolis their arguments about [TS]

00:05:44   where metropolis is and-and-and Gotham [TS]

00:05:47   and what is its central city where the [TS]

00:05:49   flashes and cola right coast city and [TS]

00:05:53   they're all kind of like these you know [TS]

00:05:55   slightly rewritten versions of cities [TS]

00:05:58   but it's like it's a parallel universe [TS]

00:05:59   and marvels trick was always to just say [TS]

00:06:01   that you know this is this is real Peter [TS]

00:06:04   Parker lives and in queens you know it [TS]

00:06:07   you know this is part of downtown in [TS]

00:06:08   manhattan and and there is no Empire [TS]

00:06:11   State University though sadly my [TS]

00:06:13   application was rejected to State on [TS]

00:06:15   account of the fact that it doesn't [TS]

00:06:17   actually exist its and I guess nyu I [TS]

00:06:20   don't know but um that but Peter Parker [TS]

00:06:22   went there so let's talk about the movie [TS]

00:06:24   first just because it's it's new this is [TS]

00:06:26   the andrew garfield reboot which is this [TS]

00:06:30   is a topic of its own because do we need [TS]

00:06:32   to reboot ten years after the last time [TS]

00:06:35   we told this story and and that is a [TS]

00:06:37   frustration for me the fact that they [TS]

00:06:39   decided not just to keep making [TS]

00:06:42   spider-man movie that's great spider-man [TS]

00:06:43   3 was really bad some it was time to [TS]

00:06:45   change the creative team I think [TS]

00:06:47   to tell the same story again I remember [TS]

00:06:50   being really upset that they were going [TS]

00:06:51   to you know tell the the origin story [TS]

00:06:55   again because I feel like how many [TS]

00:06:56   origin stories do we need to see about [TS]

00:06:58   how many times can you tell the same [TS]

00:07:00   story and and what's interesting about [TS]

00:07:01   these characters isn't their origin [TS]

00:07:03   right it'sit's all the things that come [TS]

00:07:04   after the origin the origin is like one [TS]

00:07:06   issue of a comic book and then you move [TS]

00:07:08   on and yet they they went back and they [TS]

00:07:11   told the story again and it's a [TS]

00:07:12   different take [TS]

00:07:13   I wonder what you guys think I mean in [TS]

00:07:14   watching it again a few weeks ago when [TS]

00:07:16   it came out on video [TS]

00:07:18   my take on it cause I saw in the theater [TS]

00:07:19   was that this was very much like a [TS]

00:07:21   modern ultimate spider-man kind of [TS]

00:07:23   retelling whereas the sam raimi movie [TS]

00:07:26   from a decade ago felt like it was [TS]

00:07:28   really honoring the sixties original [TS]

00:07:31   kind of steve ditko Stanley version of [TS]

00:07:33   spider-man i felt like i was really [TS]

00:07:34   watching the that was that was very much [TS]

00:07:37   kind of honoring the past and this one [TS]

00:07:39   was happy to try to make it much more [TS]

00:07:42   updated they were thinking you know but [TS]

00:07:45   they just going into this and we we [TS]

00:07:48   talked about this a little bit before [TS]

00:07:49   the show there were things that I had [TS]

00:07:51   heard about about this movie that [TS]

00:07:54   concern me i was i thought well like [TS]

00:07:57   that they had sort of changed the the [TS]

00:08:02   the concept of Peter Parker's that [TS]

00:08:04   what's his first name do we know it [TS]

00:08:07   doesn't matter is Richard I think okay [TS]

00:08:09   so they had sort of changed his the [TS]

00:08:12   backstory on this a little bit to me [TS]

00:08:15   I mean do we need to mention that you [TS]

00:08:16   need to see this movie before you listen [TS]

00:08:18   to rest it was funny will fire off the [TS]

00:08:19   spoiler horn that's a good idea [TS]

00:08:22   I mean it had this point if they don't [TS]

00:08:26   know that they're in trouble [TS]

00:08:27   you're listening to a show it's a hot [TS]

00:08:29   portal that merited so you know here's [TS]

00:08:34   here's the issue of that I have with [TS]

00:08:35   this is they wrote it now [TS]

00:08:37   originally you don't really need for a [TS]

00:08:39   long time you don't really know the mom [TS]

00:08:41   and dad Parker you don't really know [TS]

00:08:43   that you don't need to know you know [TS]

00:08:44   been you know MA in your Peter and [TS]

00:08:47   that's good and the other way back in [TS]

00:08:48   the past it's not relevant right and in [TS]

00:08:51   this story that they added the whole [TS]

00:08:53   concept of well they you know his dad [TS]

00:08:55   was the scientist and he was doing [TS]

00:08:58   things with spiders and is it didn't die [TS]

00:09:00   by accident right yeah and I didn't know [TS]

00:09:03   that like I was very apprehensive as you [TS]

00:09:05   know I was a little nervous as a little [TS]

00:09:07   i had to lay down as the scares her but [TS]

00:09:09   it went it was alright it wound up being [TS]

00:09:11   alright i thought it was gonna like that [TS]

00:09:13   part but I did really didn't it didn't [TS]

00:09:15   it didn't do much to bother me [TS]

00:09:17   that's a story straight out of brian [TS]

00:09:19   michael bendis ultimate spider-man which [TS]

00:09:21   i should say is my favorite comic [TS]

00:09:22   basically in the last 10-15 years and it [TS]

00:09:25   it you know about a hundred fifty issues [TS]

00:09:27   to tell the whole story then they had a [TS]

00:09:29   it came to a conclusion and now that [TS]

00:09:31   they're doing something different with a [TS]

00:09:32   different character but yeah but that [TS]

00:09:34   was part of the story and I always [TS]

00:09:35   thought that was really interesting it [TS]

00:09:36   was it was like let's take what we know [TS]

00:09:39   about spider-man and then kind of retail [TS]

00:09:41   it in this more modern way and that was [TS]

00:09:42   one of the plot points was that the [TS]

00:09:45   Peters parents dying was was part of the [TS]

00:09:48   story and it is Norman Osborn and [TS]

00:09:51   research into various kinds of things [TS]

00:09:53   that these shadowy companies are doing [TS]

00:09:54   and that and that there was more to it [TS]

00:09:56   than that and and they did that in this [TS]

00:09:58   movie too and yeah I didn't let it [TS]

00:10:00   bother me either i thought i was going [TS]

00:10:02   to be questionable bored by just like oh [TS]

00:10:03   you have great power great [TS]

00:10:04   responsibility they don't even say that [TS]

00:10:06   in the movie don't even say it now what [TS]

00:10:07   did you think about them not saying it [TS]

00:10:09   don't they have to say it's so hokey [TS]

00:10:11   though it's so smoky sixties I mean I [TS]

00:10:13   love it and yet it's it's to have [TS]

00:10:15   regular human beings say it out loud son [TS]

00:10:17   with great power comes great [TS]

00:10:19   responsibility it so it just feels you [TS]

00:10:22   know is that so that I think that I [TS]

00:10:24   think that's a little bit cynical that's [TS]

00:10:26   something they're a little okay because [TS]

00:10:29   I think I think of every single great [TS]

00:10:31   moving line from every great moment [TS]

00:10:34   every every great movie i mean [TS]

00:10:35   casablanca you know our two part of the [TS]

00:10:39   problem with two people don't amount to [TS]

00:10:40   a hill of beans the student that's not a [TS]

00:10:42   really really naturalistic sort of piece [TS]

00:10:44   of language but breadstick to you and if [TS]

00:10:47   you were there if you're there in the [TS]

00:10:49   scene in that actual location you could [TS]

00:10:52   sense that communication between Uncle [TS]

00:10:54   Ben and Peter through gesture through [TS]

00:10:57   movement through the way they interact [TS]

00:10:58   with each other but you don't have that [TS]

00:11:00   available to you so a great writer and [TS]

00:11:02   Stanley is a great writer comes up the [TS]

00:11:04   line like with great power Sun comes [TS]

00:11:06   great responsibility and also it allows [TS]

00:11:09   its it's this is like a musical theme [TS]

00:11:12   that in the soundtrack of Peter Parker's [TS]

00:11:14   life time and time and time again that [TS]

00:11:16   every time he wants to be taken back to [TS]

00:11:18   his greatest failure and the thing that [TS]

00:11:20   will haunt him and motivated for the [TS]

00:11:21   rest of his life [TS]

00:11:22   this one absolutely locked in your brain [TS]

00:11:25   phrase has to be revoked and that [TS]

00:11:27   instantly brings all of that together [TS]

00:11:29   and that's actually why i didn't i [TS]

00:11:32   didn't like this development i didn't [TS]

00:11:33   like it and the two other times I find [TS]

00:11:37   where at where it turns out that there's [TS]

00:11:40   a there's a there's a dark secret to to [TS]

00:11:42   Peter Parker's parents being kept from [TS]

00:11:44   Peter Parker we so saw that movie of [TS]

00:11:47   course we saw an ultimate ultimate [TS]

00:11:48   spider-man later on when Marvel writers [TS]

00:11:53   seem to have run out of things to do [TS]

00:11:55   with this character they actually made [TS]

00:11:57   Peter Parker's parents spies and their [TS]

00:12:00   killed off because they're actually [TS]

00:12:01   supermarket spies and this is something [TS]

00:12:03   that I just never I it's it's it's a [TS]

00:12:06   tricky thing i don't like it because [TS]

00:12:07   it's in elegant I don't like the fact [TS]

00:12:10   that it's difficult to create civilians [TS]

00:12:12   inside a superhero universe that i like [TS]

00:12:15   the idea that he is a normal kid in a [TS]

00:12:17   normal life he had this piece of tragedy [TS]

00:12:20   that so many of the people who are [TS]

00:12:22   paying their ten cents to buy that comic [TS]

00:12:24   in the sixties through the through the [TS]

00:12:26   nineties have had where my lost I never [TS]

00:12:28   really knew my parents they died when I [TS]

00:12:29   was really really young I have felt as [TS]

00:12:31   though i don't really have my own [TS]

00:12:33   identity and then when you say all [TS]

00:12:34   actually your parents were SuperDuper [TS]

00:12:36   Spiner special that's kinda removes that [TS]

00:12:39   touchstone that makes it gives that [TS]

00:12:40   extra emotional have now in terms of the [TS]

00:12:43   movie [TS]

00:12:44   well citing thank you very much a bit in [TS]

00:12:46   terms of the movie I don't like it just [TS]

00:12:48   because [TS]

00:12:49   simply because now this isn't the story [TS]

00:12:52   about Peter Parker and spider-man [TS]

00:12:55   this is the story about Oscorp this is [TS]

00:12:58   the story about this district research [TS]

00:13:00   being done [TS]

00:13:00   oh and by the way incidentally in the [TS]

00:13:02   course of evolving this story this is [TS]

00:13:04   kid gets Spider Man's power yoga but [TS]

00:13:07   he's just one of several people who gets [TS]

00:13:08   panel powers because this planet but [TS]

00:13:10   really really want to know about this [TS]

00:13:12   Oscorp that's the feather that's the [TS]

00:13:13   thing that that brought us through fit [TS]

00:13:15   through 40 years of continuity as [TS]

00:13:17   restoring her yet and well but i think i [TS]

00:13:19   think it's an issue of emphasis though [TS]

00:13:20   we're in bandar TSA's ultimate [TS]

00:13:23   spider-man over the course of again a [TS]

00:13:24   hundred and fifty issues that it becomes [TS]

00:13:27   a part of the story but it's not the [TS]

00:13:29   whole point of the story and there's [TS]

00:13:30   several things an amazing spider-man [TS]

00:13:32   that I felt like you know it's forced [TS]

00:13:34   because they only have two hours to tell [TS]

00:13:36   their story or two and a half hours or [TS]

00:13:37   three hours or whatever it seemed kinda [TS]

00:13:39   long over long but in in Venice itself [TS]

00:13:43   somehow felt more natural they weren't [TS]

00:13:45   the solution to the entire story right [TS]

00:13:46   it was an added little quirk that they [TS]

00:13:49   might have been involved in some of this [TS]

00:13:51   and and you know what about you a clone [TS]

00:13:53   of his father comes back and it's not [TS]

00:13:55   really following whatever but it felt a [TS]

00:13:57   little more natural because it was not [TS]

00:13:59   shoehorned into the first five issues [TS]

00:14:01   right it was something that was kinda [TS]

00:14:02   dropped 50 issues down the road and and [TS]

00:14:05   that's I mean there's a lot of stuff in [TS]

00:14:07   this movie that feels like they just [TS]

00:14:09   they cut corners because they need to [TS]

00:14:11   jam it all into a single movie and movie [TS]

00:14:13   storytelling is very different from [TS]

00:14:15   long-form comic book story telling in [TS]

00:14:18   the way that you know the original comic [TS]

00:14:20   was was done or the way that bends told [TS]

00:14:23   ultimate spider-man sofa if you felt [TS]

00:14:24   much less kind of offensive to me coming [TS]

00:14:27   from Bendis than it did in this movie I [TS]

00:14:29   didn't even mind it so much only because [TS]

00:14:30   it was different and I was really [TS]

00:14:32   dreading more than anything [TS]

00:14:33   another faithful retelling of Leanne [TS]

00:14:36   Ditko because they already made that [TS]

00:14:37   movie they made that movie like nine [TS]

00:14:39   years ago it was not at larger to 11 [TS]

00:14:43   years ago was not very long ago so I [TS]

00:14:45   wanted to see something different and it [TS]

00:14:47   was different [TS]

00:14:48   i'll give it that for sure but but two [TS]

00:14:51   points there [TS]

00:14:51   why do they feel as though they need to [TS]

00:14:53   completely reboot the franchise they [TS]

00:14:55   could simply recast the character and [TS]

00:14:56   find new things for spider-man to do [TS]

00:14:58   there's so many great stories libraries [TS]

00:15:00   assuming this is my [TS]

00:15:02   retail the origin is rather than that [TS]

00:15:04   Peter Parker in some ways is more more [TS]

00:15:06   interesting when he's new to the role as [TS]

00:15:08   a kid in school and that in I i was i [TS]

00:15:11   was really love that an ultimate [TS]

00:15:13   spider-man he's in school he's in high [TS]

00:15:15   school the entire run he never graduated [TS]

00:15:17   from high school or anything like that [TS]

00:15:18   and with tobey maguire who was already [TS]

00:15:20   like 30 women started right they had to [TS]

00:15:23   get him out of there as quickly as they [TS]

00:15:25   could write i think in in in this one in [TS]

00:15:28   the Andrew Garfield one they wanted to [TS]

00:15:30   go back to that he's a kid in school [TS]

00:15:32   thing so that's the reason but you're [TS]

00:15:34   right did they even then did they really [TS]

00:15:35   need to do anything but have like an [TS]

00:15:37   origin in the opening montage and then [TS]

00:15:40   just tell stories let me put it this way [TS]

00:15:42   we never as far as I can recall we have [TS]

00:15:45   never ever ever heard James Bond origin [TS]

00:15:47   story we have never there's never been a [TS]

00:15:49   movie in which we hear about here is [TS]

00:15:52   worried what he was doing before he [TS]

00:15:53   became a secret agent [TS]

00:15:54   there there it's in the books was never [TS]

00:15:56   the movie the movies just simply say I [TS]

00:15:58   see my guy he's James Bond he's a spy [TS]

00:16:01   and we often run where you come from [TS]

00:16:03   who knows and it would migrate I think I [TS]

00:16:05   superhero movies in general over to the [TS]

00:16:07   origin story thing you know and it and [TS]

00:16:09   it infuriates me because it's not [TS]

00:16:11   necessary right i mean it's not the most [TS]

00:16:13   interesting story for the most of these [TS]

00:16:14   characters is there anybody on this [TS]

00:16:16   planet who does not know who Superman is [TS]

00:16:18   at this point you can just put it a shot [TS]

00:16:21   one Scene one of the movie is Superman [TS]

00:16:24   in the red and blues in the Cape [TS]

00:16:26   fighting and we're on our cat catching [TS]

00:16:29   somebody who's fallen off a building I [TS]

00:16:30   mean you know and that's okay i don't [TS]

00:16:33   know if we're ready to did I mean [TS]

00:16:34   Jason's your show but I don't know if [TS]

00:16:35   you're ready to dive into this point but [TS]

00:16:37   I I there there I have issues I have [TS]

00:16:40   issues with with spider-man in this [TS]

00:16:43   movie i guess i gotta say guys i like [TS]

00:16:45   this movie I liked it a lot [TS]

00:16:47   really enjoyed it but but but i gotta [TS]

00:16:50   have some problem let me before before [TS]

00:16:52   we go into the problems i want i want to [TS]

00:16:53   mention something happens very early in [TS]

00:16:55   this movie that and I this movie is [TS]

00:16:58   really flawed and I did like it and I [TS]

00:17:00   think the reason I like it is because it [TS]

00:17:02   got me on its side very early on and [TS]

00:17:06   it's a a single scene that I felt [TS]

00:17:08   encapsulated the character better than [TS]

00:17:11   any of the samurai movies were really [TS]

00:17:14   any other filmed spider-man or animated [TS]

00:17:18   right the 60 spider-man always that was [TS]

00:17:20   that was some work i'm tired of all [TS]

00:17:22   these teenagers right that was me i ee i [TS]

00:17:26   watch that show when I was a kid jenna [TS]

00:17:27   jameson really hate teenagers anyway and [TS]

00:17:29   there's no daily bugle or Jameson in [TS]

00:17:31   this movie either which is interesting [TS]

00:17:32   no wait a minute that masonry straight [TS]

00:17:35   yeah there was a Daily Bugle always [TS]

00:17:37   there Daily Bugle just you know if you [TS]

00:17:39   remember when they are showing the news [TS]

00:17:41   on TV there is a little bugle and it is [TS]

00:17:44   underneath Daily Bugle where the CNN [TS]

00:17:45   logo might have been not so it's in the [TS]

00:17:47   world but if we haven't seen it in [TS]

00:17:49   quarters and part of it [TS]

00:17:50   ok so anyway the scene that gets me on [TS]

00:17:52   its side is in the in the lien deco you [TS]

00:17:56   know he's a Wimpy click kid with glasses [TS]

00:17:58   correct and he gets beat up and and or [TS]

00:18:02   or you know taunted and biomass Thompson [TS]

00:18:05   yeah and I'm the jocks and he's a he's a [TS]

00:18:07   pencil-neck geek and then he gets these [TS]

00:18:09   powers and and we know that story right [TS]

00:18:11   and he BN his his uncle dies and he [TS]

00:18:14   feels really bad with great power comes [TS]

00:18:15   great responsibility and decides to be a [TS]

00:18:17   hero [TS]

00:18:18   what I really liked about the scene [TS]

00:18:19   early in this movie is he gets he gets [TS]

00:18:22   bullied by flash and then flashes out in [TS]

00:18:25   the quad and there's another kid that's [TS]

00:18:28   getting bullied right and and Peter [TS]

00:18:30   Parker and he's like hey Parker take a [TS]

00:18:32   picture of this and he says put him down [TS]

00:18:34   flash end and then flash basically beats [TS]

00:18:38   the crap out of Peter because peter is [TS]

00:18:39   not playing along with flash being a [TS]

00:18:41   bully to somebody else like the shoes on [TS]

00:18:43   the other foot [TS]

00:18:44   Peter could play along it would be easy [TS]

00:18:45   or you could walk away but it was [TS]

00:18:48   something about that scene the decency [TS]

00:18:50   of Peter Parker as a human being i [TS]

00:18:52   really liked how they did that because [TS]

00:18:54   what they said is this is a person he [TS]

00:18:56   doesn't have power [TS]

00:18:57   he's a weakling but he's a fundamentally [TS]

00:19:00   decent human being who understands right [TS]

00:19:03   and wrong but he doesn't have it the [TS]

00:19:05   ability to do anything but he's brave [TS]

00:19:07   enough to stand up to the bully he just [TS]

00:19:09   get the crap beat out of him and I [TS]

00:19:11   really like that because i felt like [TS]

00:19:12   that was Peter Parker that said [TS]

00:19:13   something like they they got the [TS]

00:19:15   character that is that is the kind of [TS]

00:19:17   person who would end up following this [TS]

00:19:19   arc and becoming spider-man he's heroic [TS]

00:19:21   but doesn't have the powers and that [TS]

00:19:24   made up for a lot of things like why [TS]

00:19:25   gwen stacy is somehow running or [TS]

00:19:28   research lab for us corp when she's a [TS]

00:19:31   high school student and all of these [TS]

00:19:33   other bizarre connections that are kind [TS]

00:19:35   of pointless just because I felt like [TS]

00:19:37   I'm not on a purely kind of character [TS]

00:19:39   level they got him right and it was that [TS]

00:19:42   scene so that scene heard a lot of [TS]

00:19:43   goodwill for me i don't know if that if [TS]

00:19:45   it did for you guys but Tony it was like [TS]

00:19:47   they got him that that is the best Peter [TS]

00:19:49   Parker scene I've ever seen [TS]

00:19:52   no I mean that i totally agree that for [TS]

00:19:55   me you know the one of the things that [TS]

00:19:57   that made that movie I mean obviously [TS]

00:20:00   we're talking about superheroes it's not [TS]

00:20:01   gonna be like completely real but that [TS]

00:20:03   felt like a real city in a lot of ways [TS]

00:20:05   of felt more like a real scene to me the [TS]

00:20:07   idea of Peter Parker being sort of [TS]

00:20:08   universally bullied universally not [TS]

00:20:11   fitting in universally you know just as [TS]

00:20:15   you said pencil-neck geek you know like [TS]

00:20:17   that's that story was kind of I felt [TS]

00:20:22   like that was old and I like what I [TS]

00:20:24   liked about the retelling of this one [TS]

00:20:25   was that you know what you what you have [TS]

00:20:27   here is somebody who you know maybe he [TS]

00:20:29   doesn't exactly fit in maybe because [TS]

00:20:32   he's a bit smarter maybe because he's a [TS]

00:20:33   bit a different anyway but it you know [TS]

00:20:36   it's not like he's ugly it's not like he [TS]

00:20:38   can't communicate and can't you know [TS]

00:20:40   coexist with the other members of [TS]

00:20:42   society no I mean he's he's relatively [TS]

00:20:45   like a cool kid you know he knows how to [TS]

00:20:47   dress in that sort of ground has a [TS]

00:20:49   skateboard high as escape or like you [TS]

00:20:52   know and that wraps it up right and yeah [TS]

00:20:54   and there's and there's one guy one guy [TS]

00:20:57   who who is kind of a bully universally [TS]

00:21:00   who happens to pick on him most of the [TS]

00:21:02   time and that's a little bit more like [TS]

00:21:04   what I remember high school junior high [TS]

00:21:06   beam island is like a computer nerd he's [TS]

00:21:08   got a skateboard and he's just wants to [TS]

00:21:10   do his own thing and he's not part of [TS]

00:21:11   the popular jock crowd [TS]

00:21:13   yeah yeah but it's not like it's not [TS]

00:21:16   it's not like everybody beats him me and [TS]

00:21:18   you don't have a pocket protector and [TS]

00:21:20   flash sorry about that i don't know [TS]

00:21:23   which is very 67 needed that with the [TS]

00:21:25   classic story and what you think [TS]

00:21:27   well i don't i don't think that was a [TS]

00:21:28   bad scene at all I thought was but that [TS]

00:21:30   was good it deserves the purposes of you [TS]

00:21:32   explain so well um I i wonder if it [TS]

00:21:37   couldn't if the story could have been a [TS]

00:21:39   bit more powerful if they would let [TS]

00:21:41   let that a little bit more ambiguous I [TS]

00:21:44   think it's fascinating when you're [TS]

00:21:46   writing stories about superheroes when [TS]

00:21:48   you're talking about here is it here you [TS]

00:21:51   go kid [TS]

00:21:52   you now have superpowers what are you [TS]

00:21:54   gonna do with them [TS]

00:21:55   how is it going to change your life was [TS]

00:21:57   gonna change how you interact with [TS]

00:21:59   people here's how it's gonna change how [TS]

00:22:01   you resolve problems that you're going [TS]

00:22:04   to have in your wife and I don't like i [TS]

00:22:07   said i don't think that scene where he's [TS]

00:22:09   interviewing with a bully is it makes it [TS]

00:22:11   is a bad scene but it would have been [TS]

00:22:13   more into it when it does it says always [TS]

00:22:15   Peter Parker was always heroic now these [TS]

00:22:17   not easy [TS]

00:22:18   he's a hero who can actually actually [TS]

00:22:20   have influence over other people [TS]

00:22:22   it's more interesting when he might be a [TS]

00:22:24   little bit more interesting depending on [TS]

00:22:25   how you would write that scene if you [TS]

00:22:27   said that he was a little bit weak he [TS]

00:22:29   did not he would be you didn't give him [TS]

00:22:32   a specific instance to prove who he was [TS]

00:22:33   when confronted with that kind of danger [TS]

00:22:35   when you put them in a situation where [TS]

00:22:38   now he feels so he can do something [TS]

00:22:41   how is he going to do with but i was [TS]

00:22:42   gonna deal with it is he going to say [TS]

00:22:43   well it's not my job to get into other [TS]

00:22:44   people's fights I'd not been fully [TS]

00:22:46   enough that day I have two people have [TS]

00:22:49   to figure out their own solutions of [TS]

00:22:50   that or they gonna simply really going [TS]

00:22:52   to simply say I've got the super period [TS]

00:22:54   superpowers in my back pocket to use [TS]

00:22:56   them if i'm going to use them but right [TS]

00:22:58   now I feel as though I can intervene [TS]

00:22:59   without having to twist somebody's head [TS]

00:23:01   off like a like a like a champagne cork [TS]

00:23:02   I'd I just think that it's it's it's a [TS]

00:23:05   plug that something that I that is often [TS]

00:23:08   something that I don't like about the [TS]

00:23:09   way that a lot of comics are written dan [TS]

00:23:13   and I my own podcast we're talking about [TS]

00:23:14   the Marvel now Roe a version of the [TS]

00:23:19   Fantastic Four where each the fantastic [TS]

00:23:22   four names a replacement for the that's [TS]

00:23:24   gonna be substituted for them for the [TS]

00:23:26   four minutes they think they're going to [TS]

00:23:27   be away while they're off exploring [TS]

00:23:29   other dimensions and so Johnny Storm [TS]

00:23:32   being about being a gold-plated idiot [TS]

00:23:35   basically says each of these dating [TS]

00:23:37   paris hilton so it's okay well guess [TS]

00:23:39   what Paracelsus that would be take my [TS]

00:23:41   place on the team and so they did that [TS]

00:23:44   the issue comes out tomorrow we find out [TS]

00:23:45   exactly how that happens but pouring the [TS]

00:23:47   cover art that we've seen so far [TS]

00:23:49   essentially she wears one of like Ben [TS]

00:23:50   grams old like thing exoskeletons back [TS]

00:23:53   when he was deep powered [TS]

00:23:54   unlike the mid hundreds issues of [TS]

00:23:56   Fantastic Four and that sort of i [TS]

00:23:58   haven't read this issue i don't know how [TS]

00:23:59   they're doing it but it just gets my it [TS]

00:24:02   gets some expectations very very low [TS]

00:24:04   because it's like a man so what you're [TS]

00:24:06   saying is that all you gotta do is put a [TS]

00:24:08   supersuit on somebody and suddenly they [TS]

00:24:10   act heroically no that's not how it [TS]

00:24:11   works [TS]

00:24:12   it's there is a horrible horrible [TS]

00:24:14   horrible horrible incident that just [TS]

00:24:16   came to mind that i'm sure a lot of a [TS]

00:24:18   service sadly familiar with where a man [TS]

00:24:21   tried to break up with him and try to [TS]

00:24:22   break up a fight on New York subway [TS]

00:24:24   platform that pushed onto the tracks a [TS]

00:24:26   drainage came by and nobody helped them [TS]

00:24:29   as he was trying to get out of there one [TS]

00:24:31   person decided to take a picture that is [TS]

00:24:34   the demonstration of what people when [TS]

00:24:36   i'm not saying that all these hundred [TS]

00:24:38   people are idiots [TS]

00:24:39   I'm saying that you don't know there are [TS]

00:24:40   times when you don't know what to do in [TS]

00:24:42   that circumstance and there are people [TS]

00:24:44   who have done the right thing in that [TS]

00:24:45   circumstance that later on would say I [TS]

00:24:47   don't deserve any praise for this [TS]

00:24:49   the next thing I knew I was jumping down [TS]

00:24:50   there and shoving them into the alcove [TS]

00:24:52   and hoping that I don't get run over [TS]

00:24:53   either it wasn't a conscious decision [TS]

00:24:55   that i made i just think that that by [TS]

00:24:57   putting in that little bit that little [TS]

00:24:59   bit of a scene it might have diminished [TS]

00:25:01   the the the gravity of Peter Parker's [TS]

00:25:04   decision to act in heroic manner once he [TS]

00:25:06   gave got superpowers that's all it's [TS]

00:25:08   it's a different take and I I think I [TS]

00:25:10   sense throughout this movie that they [TS]

00:25:11   were trying to take that different path [TS]

00:25:13   that the fact that Uncle Ben doesn't say [TS]

00:25:15   the words with great power comes great [TS]

00:25:17   responsibility that would that Peter is [TS]

00:25:18   shown as having this fundamental decency [TS]

00:25:20   upfront that his confrontation that [TS]

00:25:23   leads to Uncle Ben's death is it you [TS]

00:25:26   know it's less kind of offensive it's [TS]

00:25:29   more just like he gets pissed off at a [TS]

00:25:31   jerk at the convenience store and so he [TS]

00:25:35   he doesn't you know hehe it's not it's [TS]

00:25:38   not quite as bad as the saria i'm going [TS]

00:25:41   to look out for number one and that [TS]

00:25:42   means me it's just a little more [TS]

00:25:43   pedestrian right [TS]

00:25:45   in fact a little more every day of like [TS]

00:25:47   you just said something you just like go [TS]

00:25:48   by that you probably shouldn't and it [TS]

00:25:50   comes back together but it looks like [TS]

00:25:52   they felt like they took a different [TS]

00:25:53   path and and I guess everybody can [TS]

00:25:55   decide which kind of spider-man story [TS]

00:25:57   they like the best i love the fact that [TS]

00:26:00   they said hey you know what Peter Parker [TS]

00:26:01   was always a stand-up guy he just [TS]

00:26:03   couldn't do anything about it he just [TS]

00:26:06   was a weakling [TS]

00:26:07   and he had a decency that would serve [TS]

00:26:09   him well later when he got the power to [TS]

00:26:12   do something about it i like that anyway [TS]

00:26:14   we should probably talk about some other [TS]

00:26:15   stuff dance you want to do you want to [TS]

00:26:17   detail all the things that drove me nuts [TS]

00:26:19   now I mean okay we have time [TS]

00:26:22   alright so here's a free yeah well we [TS]

00:26:24   got time actually got time I want you [TS]

00:26:29   got a fresh fresh fresh reel-to-reel up [TS]

00:26:31   there we've got at least two hours in a [TS]

00:26:33   borrowed yeah so I'll get upgrade that [TS]

00:26:36   equipment and I mean it was ok nothing [TS]

00:26:38   watching the network right now it's [TS]

00:26:39   really embarrassing if that well I'll [TS]

00:26:41   get right on so that I I don't really [TS]

00:26:44   know where to start let's start let's [TS]

00:26:45   start with the fact that when he gets [TS]

00:26:47   his powers let's start right there when [TS]

00:26:48   you get the hours alright so here's the [TS]

00:26:50   experience he has on the trains on the [TS]

00:26:52   subway train [TS]

00:26:53   he's sort of have fallen asleep in the [TS]

00:26:55   in the in the subway in the car and he [TS]

00:26:59   he'd uh somebody's trying to what are [TS]

00:27:01   they trying to steal some magic [TS]

00:27:02   skateboard still a skateboard which I [TS]

00:27:04   just get bored you see because you know [TS]

00:27:06   super valuable thing to steal from [TS]

00:27:08   someone and he winds up sort of getting [TS]

00:27:11   his hands get stuck to the pole because [TS]

00:27:13   he's now got the super grippy can't [TS]

00:27:14   control it and the heat accidentally [TS]

00:27:16   knocking people out with this poll which [TS]

00:27:18   he pops right out of the thing and [TS]

00:27:20   that's fine [TS]

00:27:21   that was cute i like that that was fine [TS]

00:27:22   and then somebody breaks a skateboard or [TS]

00:27:25   does his skateboard over his arm which [TS]

00:27:27   he holds up the block himself now if you [TS]

00:27:29   remember the first time that that Tobey [TS]

00:27:32   Maguire's Peter Parker realized that he [TS]

00:27:35   had these sort of fast reflexes and [TS]

00:27:37   things like that you have this quite [TS]

00:27:39   comic it all would be yeah I'm up on [TS]

00:27:42   away web right and this was so I was so [TS]

00:27:45   glad that this did not take that [TS]

00:27:47   approach i was so glad that you didn't [TS]

00:27:49   have the Flash Thompson slow-motion fist [TS]

00:27:52   which he's like kind of walking around [TS]

00:27:54   looking up underneath and all that [TS]

00:27:56   ridiculous this was much better sort of [TS]

00:27:58   discovery of his powers and of and I [TS]

00:28:00   mean on the one hand I didn't think he [TS]

00:28:02   was weirded out enough even when he was [TS]

00:28:04   breaking things in the bathroom but let [TS]

00:28:06   me let's let's just go forward here for [TS]

00:28:07   a second [TS]

00:28:08   how does he start exploring his powers [TS]

00:28:11   now listen he has comic books in this [TS]

00:28:13   alternate world that he's in ok or DC DC [TS]

00:28:17   comics DC Comics exist so it let me just [TS]

00:28:20   leave it okay [TS]

00:28:21   if I will if I have this happen to me on [TS]

00:28:23   a subway the first thing I'm gonna do is [TS]

00:28:26   be like why the heck am I so strong [TS]

00:28:28   right now and I'm gonna walk to a place [TS]

00:28:30   where no one can see me and I'm gonna [TS]

00:28:31   start lifting stuff and I'm going to see [TS]

00:28:33   exactly how strong and I am can lift [TS]

00:28:35   that rock in the back you know because [TS]

00:28:37   we have this rock in the backyard that I [TS]

00:28:39   can i oh I'm gonna have to budget i have [TS]

00:28:41   to hire someone to move this thing [TS]

00:28:42   because it's not where we wanted to be [TS]

00:28:44   i'm just going to can't lift that can [TS]

00:28:46   lift in you know I think if you just if [TS]

00:28:48   you started doing this a hundred [TS]

00:28:50   push-ups thing you're going to maybe i [TS]

00:28:52   can lift maybe i can move that chair [TS]

00:28:53   without you know that big that big lazy [TS]

00:28:56   boys I'm probably just move that [TS]

00:28:57   everyone I'm gonna the first thing I'm [TS]

00:28:58   gonna do is see how strong I am I and [TS]

00:29:02   you know what why did my hand stick to [TS]

00:29:04   that thing [TS]

00:29:04   what else can i do can I climb can i let [TS]

00:29:06   what else can I stick to my hand I'm [TS]

00:29:08   gonna figure this thing out what he do [TS]

00:29:10   he goes me skateboards around and does a [TS]

00:29:12   little parkour is that always say it [TS]

00:29:13   come on man do something climb the wall [TS]

00:29:18   I want to see what i can do first of all [TS]

00:29:19   the second is now he goes on this [TS]

00:29:21   vendetta thing where he's trying to find [TS]

00:29:22   the guy that eventually is trying to [TS]

00:29:24   find the guy that killed his uncle right [TS]

00:29:26   right so he's running around town [TS]

00:29:27   looking which he never does which is [TS]

00:29:29   another diversion right never done he [TS]

00:29:31   gets over it instead but here you go [TS]

00:29:33   here's another thing I'm just stopped me [TS]

00:29:35   for that if I you know if you need a [TS]

00:29:37   break it then he goes he's chasing this [TS]

00:29:39   guy now okay so one point he finds this [TS]

00:29:41   guy and then his his druggies for lack [TS]

00:29:43   of a better term start chasing after him [TS]

00:29:45   and he's up he's got five or six of [TS]

00:29:47   these guys now hold on a second [TS]

00:29:49   flashback to him unintentionally kicking [TS]

00:29:51   the crap out of like eight people on a [TS]

00:29:53   subway car and easily flicking people [TS]

00:29:56   around and he's running from like four [TS]

00:29:58   or five guys come on now listen in the [TS]

00:30:01   comic books in the comic books he's [TS]

00:30:04   quite strong [TS]

00:30:05   he's quite strong now I don't know how [TS]

00:30:08   whether this is the ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:30:10   strong or whether this is the Marvel [TS]

00:30:13   Universe traditional strong but either [TS]

00:30:15   way like spider-man can at least move if [TS]

00:30:18   not pick up a car he might not be it [TS]

00:30:20   might not be easy yeah it might be like [TS]

00:30:22   are gonna fling a car around fine but [TS]

00:30:24   he's strong i mean the dude strong you [TS]

00:30:27   know he has two for those who don't [TS]

00:30:28   follow this closely he has to pull his [TS]

00:30:31   punches completely so that he doesn't [TS]

00:30:33   not [TS]

00:30:34   seriously injured but come just kill [TS]

00:30:37   kill people in regular human beings if [TS]

00:30:39   he doesn't pull a punch your dad and [TS]

00:30:41   you're so dead and yet he's running away [TS]

00:30:43   from five guys chasing after him and it [TS]

00:30:45   did it was just inconsistent the way [TS]

00:30:47   that they portrayed strength [TS]

00:30:48   he's in the bathroom they're just using [TS]

00:30:50   a little you know little like first [TS]

00:30:53   finger and the thumb and boom pops off [TS]

00:30:55   the knob if you can pop off a knob from [TS]

00:30:58   a sync with your two fingers i'm not i'm [TS]

00:31:00   not running away from a couple guys with [TS]

00:31:02   a knife if I have super fast reflexes [TS]

00:31:04   and can fling up and down on the wall [TS]

00:31:06   like I'm not going anywhere [TS]

00:31:08   you guys are going to leave you know [TS]

00:31:10   what I'm saying and I just all of these [TS]

00:31:12   things it really bother why did he have [TS]

00:31:15   to be so hard dr. really rude joke right [TS]

00:31:17   now but that's how inexperienced to you [TS]

00:31:19   stand right that's he doesn't even he's [TS]

00:31:20   not even thinking straight it wasn't [TS]

00:31:22   about inexperienced he blocked he [TS]

00:31:24   blocked the skateboard on the bus with [TS]

00:31:26   his natural instinctive movements [TS]

00:31:28   because he's a spider now so this is [TS]

00:31:30   natural reflexes are going to protect [TS]

00:31:33   him [TS]

00:31:33   where was his spider sense in this movie [TS]

00:31:36   where was his spider sense [TS]

00:31:38   yo go there was always has a spider [TS]

00:31:40   sense because like there's a spider in a [TS]

00:31:41   bug walking around near but like warned [TS]

00:31:44   him that someone's gonna hit you that [TS]

00:31:46   was not coming to okay in the Marvel [TS]

00:31:48   Universe it has been stated hang on our [TS]

00:31:51   I'm upset I i can tell that this is the [TS]

00:31:53   voice of a man in pain this is just one [TS]

00:31:56   thing guys find it amazing that the the [TS]

00:31:58   proportional strength differences upset [TS]

00:32:00   you more than the fact that a high [TS]

00:32:01   school student is leading a lab midterm [TS]

00:32:03   been at did you add you see the [TS]

00:32:06   photograph that I sent to you guys each [TS]

00:32:08   in the india in the skype window if you [TS]

00:32:10   look at that photograph oh no i haven't [TS]

00:32:12   if you have that if you're able to [TS]

00:32:14   access please load think I'm seeing it [TS]

00:32:17   right now it is a flickr link we can put [TS]

00:32:19   this into the show notes I'm for in this [TS]

00:32:20   picture and whom I sitting with it i'm [TS]

00:32:22   in a mall in the shower spider-man I'm [TS]

00:32:24   sitting with nishan neshaminy mall i'm [TS]

00:32:27   sitting with spiderman spiderman as I [TS]

00:32:30   love Batman don't get me wrong when I [TS]

00:32:32   played superheroes I was Batman by love [TS]

00:32:34   spider-man [TS]

00:32:35   so this continues for the classic tights [TS]

00:32:38   costume yes the filmmakers have had a [TS]

00:32:40   struggle to try and make it look cooler [TS]

00:32:42   yes then this will all will get to the [TS]

00:32:44   costume in a minute [TS]

00:32:46   and-and-and so and i'm not going to take [TS]

00:32:48   over your show all stopped because I [TS]

00:32:50   know people are about to turn it off but [TS]

00:32:53   here's the thing is it where's his [TS]

00:32:55   spider sense in this [TS]

00:32:56   where's his regular spider strengthen [TS]

00:32:58   this isn't there spider-sense I get the [TS]

00:33:00   sense that they have a couple of scenes [TS]

00:33:01   where there's a where he has a [TS]

00:33:02   realization and they do one of those [TS]

00:33:04   kind of fries and turn around doing a [TS]

00:33:05   little but it has been said in the [TS]

00:33:08   Marvel Universe that but even even the [TS]

00:33:11   fastest and most super-powered super [TS]

00:33:14   folks in the Marvel Universe have [TS]

00:33:16   trouble hitting spider-man because of [TS]

00:33:18   his spider sense even if he's [TS]

00:33:19   unconscious [TS]

00:33:20   his body will make him dodge it Andy [TS]

00:33:22   correct me if I'm wrong on this and [TS]

00:33:25   again am i right about the I not sure if [TS]

00:33:27   you're right about him being unconscious [TS]

00:33:28   maybe not about it but I think it does [TS]

00:33:31   have a spidey sense as as as well as has [TS]

00:33:34   been attacked by tadpoles and see this [TS]

00:33:36   is another thing in this book that I [TS]

00:33:37   read to my kid there's this one with the [TS]

00:33:39   vulture it's AG and I know it's for [TS]

00:33:41   four-year-olds but in the voltage the [TS]

00:33:43   vulture catches him by surprise at every [TS]

00:33:45   time I read this page i wanted i don't [TS]

00:33:47   wanna I don't want my kids to grow up [TS]

00:33:49   thinking that he could be taken [TS]

00:33:50   advantage of by the vulture sneak attack [TS]

00:33:53   because he's on silent magnetic wings [TS]

00:33:55   like come on [TS]

00:33:56   oh it's that he's not going to get [TS]

00:33:58   attack he spider-man he's got despite I [TS]

00:34:00   can't kill a spider can you know I could [TS]

00:34:02   want to kill spiders spiders i can kill [TS]

00:34:05   us but I can't do it from they get out [TS]

00:34:07   of we're using a moral thing because i [TS]

00:34:10   also have no moral compunction again [TS]

00:34:12   skipper no i'm talking about you tried [TS]

00:34:14   maybe you got different spiders but here [TS]

00:34:15   in taxes they're fast you gotta Chuck [TS]

00:34:17   you gotta Chuck a lot of things in them [TS]

00:34:19   together so you you don't like the [TS]

00:34:21   spider-man is a is his power seem [TS]

00:34:24   inconsistent well as they become spotted [TS]

00:34:26   yes because here's the thing there's [TS]

00:34:28   learning and mastering your powers and [TS]

00:34:31   there's having them and if all of a [TS]

00:34:33   sudden I could lift a car that might not [TS]

00:34:36   mean I know how to aim the car when I [TS]

00:34:38   throw it or my a might not be great or [TS]

00:34:40   something but like I've i can lift a car [TS]

00:34:42   i'm gonna feel pretty confident walking [TS]

00:34:45   down that back alley at night so you [TS]

00:34:47   know I wonder if some of this I I see [TS]

00:34:49   what you're saying [TS]

00:34:50   although i'm in the chatroom they're [TS]

00:34:51   saying that the the subway scene is sort [TS]

00:34:53   of suggesting spider-sense throughout [TS]

00:34:55   but I I see what you're saying [TS]

00:34:56   I wonder if so does it suggest where did [TS]

00:34:59   go the rest of the movie awesome i [TS]

00:35:00   suggest that you're helping out in the [TS]

00:35:02   brain and your Lego first time outside [TS]

00:35:04   normal fitness the senior that seemed [TS]

00:35:06   totally does indicate spider-sense why [TS]

00:35:08   don't we see it again for the restaurant [TS]

00:35:10   again right thank you [TS]

00:35:12   I i wonder if the filmmakers decided in [TS]

00:35:15   this sort of Jesus we just did this [TS]

00:35:17   movie ten years ago to take some of that [TS]

00:35:19   stuff out right which may not have been [TS]

00:35:21   the right decision somebody else in the [TS]

00:35:22   chatroom pointed out what you want less [TS]

00:35:24   origin and more of that lizard story of [TS]

00:35:26   a fair point right fair point but I do [TS]

00:35:29   wonder if they were like yeah I do we [TS]

00:35:30   really need lots of scenes where he [TS]

00:35:32   enjoys learning about his powers when we [TS]

00:35:34   are telling an origin story that people [TS]

00:35:35   just saw 10 years ago [TS]

00:35:38   no I don't give me more that's all you [TS]

00:35:40   want i want to let you know I don't need [TS]

00:35:42   a lot more I don't need a lot more but [TS]

00:35:45   just give me some more [TS]

00:35:46   I don't enjoy the the crafting of the of [TS]

00:35:49   the web shooters identify was that was [TS]

00:35:51   gonna be there to me if you give him [TS]

00:35:53   organic web shooters you don't get it [TS]

00:35:55   because I bye but when the best parts of [TS]

00:35:57   the kind of the craftsmanship of this [TS]

00:35:59   character take that Sam Raimi there you [TS]

00:36:01   go [TS]

00:36:01   yeah you again I mean it's because it's [TS]

00:36:04   this is a Peter Parker's a fusion of the [TS]

00:36:07   power she got from the accident the [TS]

00:36:09   morals that he grew up with that he [TS]

00:36:10   described himself and also the fact that [TS]

00:36:12   he is please notice he's a super [TS]

00:36:14   scientist but oh my God he's a very very [TS]

00:36:15   clever young man and so it's I've always [TS]

00:36:18   loved the pre the the fusion between he [TS]

00:36:21   got these powers from from the [TS]

00:36:23   radioactive spider bite then he had to [TS]

00:36:24   go go but goes home go to his house and [TS]

00:36:27   figure out how to build this sort of [TS]

00:36:28   thing and I also always dug the idea [TS]

00:36:31   that he could that it could become a [TS]

00:36:33   problem that oh I'm out of fluid I i was [TS]

00:36:37   i was supposed to fix that makes them [TS]

00:36:38   more yesterday but I got back I i stayed [TS]

00:36:41   out late my date with maryjane o [TS]

00:36:43   baguette friend one of the best one of [TS]

00:36:47   the nice things about ultimate [TS]

00:36:47   spider-man is that that various points [TS]

00:36:50   he runs out of web fluid and he runs up [TS]

00:36:54   costumes [TS]

00:36:54   that's because his costumes get shredded [TS]

00:36:56   right so you end up in situations where [TS]

00:36:58   he has no spider pants and i love that [TS]

00:37:01   because it's like this kid doesn't [TS]

00:37:02   really know what he's doing and that's [TS]

00:37:03   that's a nice thing about the character [TS]

00:37:05   is that he's teased he doesn't have it [TS]

00:37:07   all together he's a kid he's making as [TS]

00:37:09   it goes along and also and also get [TS]

00:37:11   gamepak2 what [TS]

00:37:12   we talked about earlier it takes it [TS]

00:37:15   takes a great deal to voluntarily get [TS]

00:37:18   hit even if you even if you know that [TS]

00:37:20   you that you can take that this person [TS]

00:37:22   is swinging your face is not going to do [TS]

00:37:23   much damage to you [TS]

00:37:24   it takes a lot to put yourself in that [TS]

00:37:26   situation we're willing to get it right [TS]

00:37:28   so I think I i think that we're here we [TS]

00:37:31   are just having talked about how we [TS]

00:37:33   really wish there wasn't an orange [TS]

00:37:34   origin story if you really wanted to [TS]

00:37:36   prosecute that make that an interesting [TS]

00:37:38   way to tell talk about this person's [TS]

00:37:40   origin it's not about the spider bite is [TS]

00:37:41   by figuring out that [TS]

00:37:43   oh actually it's okay for me to get hit [TS]

00:37:45   in the face or it's okay okay for me to [TS]

00:37:47   put myself in this dangerous situation [TS]

00:37:50   because there's a limit to how badly can [TS]

00:37:52   get hurt but also the than that other [TS]

00:37:54   thing that makes spider-man so good is [TS]

00:37:56   that he's not like he's not like the [TS]

00:37:58   Hulk is not like she hulk where you know [TS]

00:38:00   she's the she-hulk is to me a very [TS]

00:38:03   boring character because it's been [TS]

00:38:04   demonstrated with a pet specialty the [TS]

00:38:06   past 10 years that nothing can possibly [TS]

00:38:08   hurt her and when Dan Slott took over [TS]

00:38:10   and i love dance lot but he didn't [TS]

00:38:12   because one of the things I didn't like [TS]

00:38:13   about when he was doing the she-hulk run [TS]

00:38:15   is that established now she has a [TS]

00:38:17   healing factor you can be basically [TS]

00:38:18   stabbed her through the chest you found [TS]

00:38:20   the one thing in the universe that can [TS]

00:38:22   actually hurt her and just as long as [TS]

00:38:24   you remove it should be okay in about 30 [TS]

00:38:25   seconds no problem there [TS]

00:38:27   Peter Parker he gets bruised he gets cut [TS]

00:38:29   if you shoot him if that if that bullet [TS]

00:38:31   if he can touch on the way if that ball [TS]

00:38:33   hit hard [TS]

00:38:34   Peter Parker he'd be dead and the fact [TS]

00:38:37   that he's yeses and i know i totally [TS]

00:38:40   agree that's a really great point but [TS]

00:38:42   that's also consistent with the comments [TS]

00:38:43   to you know he gets shot in the [TS]

00:38:45   competition he shied I i agree that I [TS]

00:38:48   think the movie will have put a lot on [TS]

00:38:50   its plate that if that at some point [TS]

00:38:53   later window down the feature set of [TS]

00:38:56   this movie saying oh yeah we can either [TS]

00:38:58   yet it's like trying to figure out [TS]

00:39:00   exactly how much fuel to take on a trip [TS]

00:39:03   to the moon it's like okay but if you if [TS]

00:39:05   you want to take on this piece of [TS]

00:39:07   equipment we're gonna have to take on [TS]

00:39:08   less fuel which means that we can't we [TS]

00:39:10   can't stay out for quite such much time [TS]

00:39:12   what you want to do next [TS]

00:39:13   they should have said ok if you really [TS]

00:39:15   want to make this a story about Oscorp [TS]

00:39:17   in science that means you're going to [TS]

00:39:18   cut back on his origin story because we [TS]

00:39:20   don't have enough there is enough [TS]

00:39:21   bandwidth in the audience to to keep [TS]

00:39:24   track of all these sort of things [TS]

00:39:26   similarly if you can say well we really [TS]

00:39:28   we know that he has it in every single [TS]

00:39:30   incarnations character as a spidey sense [TS]

00:39:32   we cannot figure out a way to [TS]

00:39:34   economically communicate that to the [TS]

00:39:36   audience when he's fighting so let's [TS]

00:39:38   just say either was just not use that in [TS]

00:39:40   this story at best we'll say that oh [TS]

00:39:42   well he has the spider sense but he [TS]

00:39:44   hasn't figured out he's really figured [TS]

00:39:45   that out yet in the next week in the [TS]

00:39:47   next in the next movie we'll figure out [TS]

00:39:49   the spider-sense so I really but one [TS]

00:39:51   thing for the record I when I think I'm [TS]

00:39:53   saying after listening to you guys [TS]

00:39:54   explain this is that really like Peter [TS]

00:39:57   Parker maybe not so much spider-man in [TS]

00:39:59   this movie like I felt like he wasn't [TS]

00:40:02   you know I'm saying like oh yeah i know [TS]

00:40:04   this is this is I think that's accurate [TS]

00:40:06   because I mean when he takes he's got to [TS]

00:40:07   talk to captain Stacy when he's been you [TS]

00:40:10   know been wounded is on the ground and [TS]

00:40:12   says I gotta go you gotta let me go [TS]

00:40:13   she's at the tower and all of that yes [TS]

00:40:15   you know the it's yeah it's Pete its [TS]

00:40:16   this kid trying to figure out to be so [TS]

00:40:18   this is not like mr. professional [TS]

00:40:19   spider-man right this is amateur kid [TS]

00:40:22   trying to become spider-man yeah and ona [TS]

00:40:26   Andy to your point the one that they [TS]

00:40:28   kept in that they should have completely [TS]

00:40:30   edited out is the whole there's the [TS]

00:40:31   whole subplot where there's like a [TS]

00:40:33   lizard gasps the turns pure and [TS]

00:40:35   delicious [TS]

00:40:36   yeah and that exists seems to exist only [TS]

00:40:38   so that he can have the antidote up on [TS]

00:40:40   top of the tower and I there are lots of [TS]

00:40:43   things like that and the fact that Gwen [TS]

00:40:44   coincidentally works with dr. Conners [TS]

00:40:46   and all these all these interconnected [TS]

00:40:48   things and and then there's the whole [TS]

00:40:50   like our story arc set up about Norman [TS]

00:40:53   Osborn needs his vaccine because he's [TS]

00:40:55   dying and there's the executive from [TS]

00:40:57   Moss Corp and all that stuff is [TS]

00:40:59   completely unnecessary and extraneous I [TS]

00:41:02   felt as though there there's the [TS]

00:41:04   Christopher Nolan style superhero movie [TS]

00:41:06   in which you set the which the director [TS]

00:41:09   filmmaker sets the bar really really [TS]

00:41:10   high in which we're going to take we're [TS]

00:41:12   gonna take nothing for granted we're not [TS]

00:41:14   we're gonna take nothin for free [TS]

00:41:16   we're gonna make a wix incredibly well [TS]

00:41:18   thought-out and polished movie and then [TS]

00:41:20   there's the Avengers style movie which [TS]

00:41:22   can be just as entertaining but it's [TS]

00:41:24   like nope we're gonna have action flash [TS]

00:41:26   noises great special effects just seen [TS]

00:41:28   scene of keeping the keep the energy up [TS]

00:41:30   and then of course when the lights come [TS]

00:41:32   back up again you realize what that [TS]

00:41:33   didn't make any sense all this point [TS]

00:41:35   they do this this made no such thing to [TS]

00:41:36   do that one either [TS]

00:41:37   well who cares i had some popcorn had [TS]

00:41:39   time for for two-and-a-half hours [TS]

00:41:40   despite the spider-man movie is one of [TS]

00:41:43   those types of movies really I feel like [TS]

00:41:45   I feel like it's got more you know and [TS]

00:41:48   we can we and have disagreed about the [TS]

00:41:49   Avengers but but i will agree with you [TS]

00:41:51   this that there's that there's the [TS]

00:41:52   spectacle part which is fights and [TS]

00:41:54   explosions and stuff like that and and [TS]

00:41:56   if technical stuff and well-handled what [TS]

00:42:00   I like about amazing spider-man that [TS]

00:42:02   pushes it over the top for me is that [TS]

00:42:04   when you get outside those moments you [TS]

00:42:05   do have some either nice or interesting [TS]

00:42:08   or funny character moments right you [TS]

00:42:11   know the the stuff with this where he [TS]

00:42:12   goes to Gwen Stacy's apartment and the [TS]

00:42:15   dinner the super awkward dinner with [TS]

00:42:17   Denis Leary and limonite what dinner [TS]

00:42:20   with Dennis there would be awkward but I [TS]

00:42:22   mean that's a great great casting yeah [TS]

00:42:23   it's probably gonna be George Stacy and [TS]

00:42:26   and so Peter what did that guy is a that [TS]

00:42:28   guy's a freak he's a he's a he's a [TS]

00:42:30   vigilante is outside the law and and [TS]

00:42:32   it's just I love that stuff and like I [TS]

00:42:34   said the stuff where Peter is shown to [TS]

00:42:35   be decent and also when he's kind of [TS]

00:42:37   like confused and doesn't really know [TS]

00:42:39   what the heck he's doing [TS]

00:42:40   I and when he learns about being that [TS]

00:42:45   he's obsessed with the guy who killed [TS]

00:42:46   Uncle Ben I mean all those things that [TS]

00:42:48   those were nice moment so i got i got [TS]

00:42:50   some sort of like I got the junk food [TS]

00:42:51   part and I got some other nice kind of [TS]

00:42:54   funny and and and good character stuff [TS]

00:42:57   and for a bit you know for a summer [TS]

00:42:59   blockbuster superhero movie that's not [TS]

00:43:01   that's not bad that may not be the [TS]

00:43:03   apotheosis of of of superhero movies but [TS]

00:43:06   that's that's not bad to get a little [TS]

00:43:08   bit of both of those things and not just [TS]

00:43:10   the junk food if that makes sense that's [TS]

00:43:12   a good way to say yeah i mean the AI [TS]

00:43:14   think it's just the difference between [TS]

00:43:16   the movie that you that sticks with you [TS]

00:43:19   for four years afterward and the kind [TS]

00:43:22   where your you leave the theater and [TS]

00:43:25   it's behind responsible guy I believe it [TS]

00:43:28   or not I'd completely forgotten that the [TS]

00:43:31   spider-man but there's a new spider-man [TS]

00:43:32   movie this year until you know this this [TS]

00:43:35   topic for this show came out even though [TS]

00:43:36   you can't give you that you could you [TS]

00:43:39   can't escape all the ads for a whereas i [TS]

00:43:42   mean it's it's it it's it's great [TS]

00:43:46   dessert it's a great snack food is just [TS]

00:43:47   not something that really sticks with [TS]

00:43:48   and I think that it's those kind of [TS]

00:43:50   decisions that the filmmaker makes [TS]

00:43:53   yeah although i'll say that that scene [TS]

00:43:55   where Peter stands up for the person [TS]

00:43:57   who's getting beat up and and actually [TS]

00:43:58   got really awkward dinner and a few [TS]

00:44:00   other scenes in this movie we'll stick [TS]

00:44:01   with me I don't feel like you know [TS]

00:44:03   spider-man 2 I feel and and the original [TS]

00:44:06   but but spider-man 2 was a movie that [TS]

00:44:09   hung together i think really well and is [TS]

00:44:12   one of my top superhero movies and this [TS]

00:44:15   isn't this isn't necessarily in that [TS]

00:44:17   class but I i think you know but it [TS]

00:44:19   worked it worked for me and like I said [TS]

00:44:21   a lot of it was getting that character [TS]

00:44:23   in that place early on that let me [TS]

00:44:26   accept some of the ridiculous plot and [TS]

00:44:30   circumstance that happened later because [TS]

00:44:31   I i got like the characters journey was [TS]

00:44:34   more important to me than the ridiculous [TS]

00:44:35   connections of the plot and thatthat's [TS]

00:44:37   if you don't make that connection then [TS]

00:44:39   you have nothing to go on and you're [TS]

00:44:41   just staring at the plot saying why [TS]

00:44:43   would this makes no sense but if you're [TS]

00:44:44   rooting for the this kid then the movies [TS]

00:44:47   gonna work a lot better just from just [TS]

00:44:49   because you're on his side and so like a [TS]

00:44:51   you know like this at the beginning I [TS]

00:44:52   feel like that's that for me and I can't [TS]

00:44:54   maybe if thats it doesn't work for you [TS]

00:44:56   it's not gonna work the movies not gonna [TS]

00:44:57   work the same way but for me it was like [TS]

00:44:58   so perfect decision to get me on his [TS]

00:45:02   side that fast because then that excuse [TS]

00:45:05   a whole lot of sins and there were well [TS]

00:45:07   I want to send anything like this way [TS]

00:45:09   wouldn't have wouldn't have been [TS]

00:45:11   interesting if he had he saw that and [TS]

00:45:15   his money his main thought was that I'm [TS]

00:45:18   just glad I'm not glad this person is [TS]

00:45:20   being bullied but i'm glad that i can [TS]

00:45:22   get my class on time it's not like that [TS]

00:45:23   i'm saying more of a practical thing [TS]

00:45:25   where I really thought that I was going [TS]

00:45:27   to be five minutes late and bleeding by [TS]

00:45:28   the time I got to math class [TS]

00:45:30   I'm glad I'm just you know glad that I'm [TS]

00:45:31   I'm not getting hassled today and that [TS]

00:45:33   you see that's this kid has changed his [TS]

00:45:35   attitude where we was being mean before [TS]

00:45:37   but he may be looks back on his past [TS]

00:45:40   things think I really wish there had [TS]

00:45:42   been someone to interviewing intervene [TS]

00:45:43   for me every time that I had been i I've [TS]

00:45:46   been writing that sure now that I mean [TS]

00:45:49   that would be a different story i guess [TS]

00:45:50   for me i liked I liked it was a way i [TS]

00:45:53   had not follow the character before in [TS]

00:45:55   thinking that he didn't get his bravery [TS]

00:45:57   because he got powers [TS]

00:45:59   yeah right you see him stand up to flash [TS]

00:46:01   when he is impervious and can beat the [TS]

00:46:02   crap out of flash you seen that in [TS]

00:46:04   various retellings and I like [TS]

00:46:06   here that he said no no he stands up the [TS]

00:46:08   flash even when he's gonna get he knows [TS]

00:46:10   he's gonna get beaten down by him [TS]

00:46:11   because he's a decent person and that [TS]

00:46:14   was a different take [TS]

00:46:14   and i like that take because it wasn't [TS]

00:46:17   what I'd seen before but it you know [TS]

00:46:18   that would be a different choice to go [TS]

00:46:20   the way that you it's just be which [TS]

00:46:22   would be interesting because it would be [TS]

00:46:23   it would have been have resonance with [TS]

00:46:25   that whole I'm looking out for number [TS]

00:46:26   one kind of thing that was from the Lee [TS]

00:46:28   and Ditko story of like you know who [TS]

00:46:31   it's not me I'm gonna walk on by and [TS]

00:46:33   then regretting that later there's [TS]

00:46:34   there's a fundamental aspect of [TS]

00:46:36   storytelling and that is changes as part [TS]

00:46:39   of life that you are the sum total of [TS]

00:46:41   your your experiences in the past that [TS]

00:46:44   dictates how you react to new [TS]

00:46:46   experiences in the future and that if [TS]

00:46:48   you're the same person today as you were [TS]

00:46:49   five years ago then congrats so glad you [TS]

00:46:52   came out of that coma serve didn't think [TS]

00:46:53   you'd live hands it so i love when a [TS]

00:47:00   comic uses takes an opportunity to [TS]

00:47:02   really underscored those kind of markers [TS]

00:47:04   to say that mean that Peter Parker is a [TS]

00:47:07   different person at age 24 h 23 then he [TS]

00:47:11   was a teenager he would have been a [TS]

00:47:13   different person 24 even if he had not [TS]

00:47:16   been bitten by a radioactive spider and [TS]

00:47:18   that a it [TS]

00:47:20   I'm sorry I'm sorry that everything i [TS]

00:47:21   say he's come back to an unkind comment [TS]

00:47:23   about fantastic for the past lessons and [TS]

00:47:26   that's why it's so interesting to me [TS]

00:47:28   that you have the in fantastic four of [TS]

00:47:30   these four people that were two of them [TS]

00:47:32   are absolute tourists you know you have [TS]

00:47:34   this disc this good this woman who he'd [TS]

00:47:37   sort of dabbled in modeling dabbled in [TS]

00:47:39   this really didn't have any focus you [TS]

00:47:40   have this kid who is just two idiot jerk [TS]

00:47:42   from like from day one and they had to [TS]

00:47:47   really change who they were by the [TS]

00:47:48   virtue of the fact that now we have [TS]

00:47:49   these powers and now we're being thrown [TS]

00:47:51   into these situations and so when you [TS]

00:47:53   when the different fantastic four riders [TS]

00:47:56   try to establish oh no Sue Storm she was [TS]

00:47:59   a 1 choose a hero even before then she [TS]

00:48:00   was a strong independent dominant person [TS]

00:48:03   who gets what she wants and goes and get [TS]

00:48:05   your no no that's okay so you have since [TS]

00:48:08   essentially robbed her of that part of [TS]

00:48:10   the journey by saying that now she's the [TS]

00:48:13   same person she was before only now she [TS]

00:48:14   can become invisible so that that so [TS]

00:48:16   that's so I I that comes back to I don't [TS]

00:48:19   diss [TS]

00:48:19   agree with you that strong seen I just [TS]

00:48:22   my tears mortoon towards why would an [TS]

00:48:24   opportunity that would have been to say [TS]

00:48:25   this is the process he's going through [TS]

00:48:27   the Pat over the next 2-3 years now that [TS]

00:48:29   he has superpowers he will he would be [TS]

00:48:31   he will be different person start to [TS]

00:48:33   finish but how [TS]

00:48:36   however how we gonna compare him to who [TS]

00:48:38   he was at the start the start of the [TS]

00:48:39   movie it's it's it's interesting when [TS]

00:48:41   you start off his character that we [TS]

00:48:42   don't really like or that we ourselves [TS]

00:48:44   might ignore making oh my god this guy [TS]

00:48:46   is such a was he didn't even like wanted [TS]

00:48:49   like throw a rock at this guy to may be [TS]

00:48:51   distracted wow he just had the easiest [TS]

00:48:53   one day was and then thinking well but [TS]

00:48:56   finding out that he has learned to get [TS]

00:48:58   the get a bit of a backbone and it's not [TS]

00:49:00   the sort of arrogance well now that I'm [TS]

00:49:01   invulnerable now I can do what I want is [TS]

00:49:03   that you know what I really wish that [TS]

00:49:05   somebody who would add any opportunity [TS]

00:49:07   to do anything had intervene for me any [TS]

00:49:09   the hundred times when I really needed a [TS]

00:49:11   hero come by so I'm looking forward to [TS]

00:49:13   reading indian tacos new run on the the [TS]

00:49:16   adjective inserted here spider-man [TS]

00:49:18   beginning that email address again is a [TS]

00:49:22   knocko @ gmail.com supermarket letter [TS]

00:49:24   that's right just let it can be and get [TS]

00:49:26   in touch [TS]

00:49:27   I'm the bed Marvel was doing some it's [TS]

00:49:31   an interesting time to be a fan of [TS]

00:49:33   spider-man we have we have spider-man [TS]

00:49:34   number 700 coming out which is promises [TS]

00:49:38   lots of changes and then there's day [TS]

00:49:40   they are shutting down [TS]

00:49:42   yeah until they start back up again [TS]

00:49:43   amazing spider-man with number seven [TS]

00:49:45   hundred and they're starting a new [TS]

00:49:47   spider-man title which I I think they're [TS]

00:49:49   hinting is not going to have Peter [TS]

00:49:51   Parker as spider-man and this is another [TS]

00:49:53   point where Moises says that Dan's going [TS]

00:49:55   to be a Hulk rage out but bear with me [TS]

00:49:57   here because in all of the spider-man we [TS]

00:49:59   also had a storyline which led to [TS]

00:50:01   another character becoming spider-man [TS]

00:50:04   and so this the you know where we had a [TS]

00:50:06   little bit and there there was the [TS]

00:50:08   spider-man 2099 was an alternate [TS]

00:50:10   spider-man right but generally keyword [TS]

00:50:12   alternate spider-men but this is their [TS]

00:50:15   plan with Peter Parker and spider-man [TS]

00:50:16   here in ways that they haven't before [TS]

00:50:18   and I think it's sort of strange timing [TS]

00:50:20   that they're doing this and I don't [TS]

00:50:22   really understand it i will say that i [TS]

00:50:24   think the ultimate spider-man with Miles [TS]

00:50:26   Morales who is the new ultimate [TS]

00:50:28   spider-man despite all of my feelings [TS]

00:50:30   like that was a giant mistake and [TS]

00:50:32   was Miss marketed and all these all [TS]

00:50:34   these problems I had with it has turned [TS]

00:50:36   out to actually be a really good story [TS]

00:50:37   despite all of that so it's like the [TS]

00:50:40   people you know when you get past the PR [TS]

00:50:42   and go back to actually an interesting [TS]

00:50:44   story the story's pretty good even if [TS]

00:50:46   the pr was really annoying but this 700 [TS]

00:50:49   amazing spider-man and then the big [TS]

00:50:51   mystery about what happens to spider-man [TS]

00:50:53   after that it's like I i had that moment [TS]

00:50:55   of like why do you keep so why are you [TS]

00:50:56   screwing around with Peter Parker they [TS]

00:50:58   already did the one more day fan where [TS]

00:51:00   they notified the video with the devil [TS]

00:51:03   that nullifies the the wedding and all [TS]

00:51:05   of those i gotta keep it in continuity [TS]

00:51:06   lot of things we got to keep it in [TS]

00:51:08   continuity but we'll just have a magic [TS]

00:51:09   spell the changes all the communities [TS]

00:51:11   that are usually continuity [TS]

00:51:13   oh my guys so i sold it right right so [TS]

00:51:15   why did they messing with I mean I feel [TS]

00:51:17   like you're messing up messing up a good [TS]

00:51:19   thing when they mess around the state [TS]

00:51:21   not necessarily i like I too was like oh [TS]

00:51:26   boy I was really really worried when the [TS]

00:51:29   more the more Marvel hype something in [TS]

00:51:31   advance the more worried i get about it [TS]

00:51:34   because I think they're batting maybe 04 [TS]

00:51:37   a hundred in how they pay off what they [TS]

00:51:40   promised to be doing in a big event and [TS]

00:51:43   dan slott whom I again absolutely love [TS]

00:51:45   music is one of those names were and [TS]

00:51:46   instantly interested in any comic that [TS]

00:51:48   he's writing wrote one cup what wrote [TS]

00:51:50   one guy I have a co-author credit with [TS]

00:51:52   him on one Marvel comic instantly so [TS]

00:51:55   he's a colleague and we work together [TS]

00:51:57   no it's the lamest credit whatsoever [TS]

00:51:59   that story for the day but I'd so he was [TS]

00:52:03   typing typing typing issue 698r that was [TS]

00:52:06   that was the ornery spider-man number [TS]

00:52:08   was red sticky comics and stories by [TS]

00:52:10   locate the indigestible spider-man [TS]

00:52:12   number one but the I thought they did [TS]

00:52:16   something really interesting with are we [TS]

00:52:17   doing spoilers are we not doing spoilers [TS]

00:52:19   for this am doing yesterday [TS]

00:52:22   weatherzone yeah the UH the in advance [TS]

00:52:28   we knew that all who is spider-man like [TS]

00:52:30   Oh guys are gonna be another one where [TS]

00:52:31   they figure out that well people don't [TS]

00:52:33   really care about Peter Parker what they [TS]

00:52:35   care about is the costume so if we put [TS]

00:52:36   another person in the costume [TS]

00:52:38   oh boy i'll still love that which is why [TS]

00:52:40   Miles Morales I really couldn't I it's a [TS]

00:52:42   fine story but it's like okay why bother [TS]

00:52:44   making spider-man [TS]

00:52:45   I don't care about a different person as [TS]

00:52:47   spider-man following Peter Parker so by [TS]

00:52:49   doing this story very very cleverly [TS]

00:52:52   written 698 where it sounds yeah i was [TS]

00:52:55   i'm reading the story and thinking oh [TS]

00:52:56   I'm so glad to see the Peter Parker [TS]

00:52:58   finally is like losing his like [TS]

00:52:59   self-deprecating you know self-defense [TS]

00:53:01   attitude [TS]

00:53:02   hey I'm doing great work for the [TS]

00:53:04   scientists and that as a scientist and [TS]

00:53:06   you know what I'm gonna start things up [TS]

00:53:08   with Mary Jane I don't know why I'm not [TS]

00:53:09   doing this and I'm an Avenger is that [TS]

00:53:12   wonderful and adventure is a great Peter [TS]

00:53:13   Parker's having some pride that we find [TS]

00:53:14   out that no actually dr. body swap or [TS]

00:53:17   could i maybe something that involved [TS]

00:53:20   because the doctor octopus putting his [TS]

00:53:23   his brain his thoughts his personality [TS]

00:53:27   and everything and taking don't don't [TS]

00:53:30   dad don't try to get exactly on it I [TS]

00:53:33   think thanks but yes he copied his [TS]

00:53:35   personality but the memories of pickles [TS]

00:53:37   right and and however that were resident [TS]

00:53:40   699 then you know that now peter [TS]

00:53:42   parker's owner has a time yes [TS]

00:53:44   dhaka stock smell and including his date [TS]

00:53:48   with and thanks [TS]

00:53:49   yeah thatthat's I i think that that's [TS]

00:53:52   I'm relieved and now intrigue and what [TS]

00:53:55   he's going to do with that because what [TS]

00:53:56   I don't like is these things were a if [TS]

00:53:59   I'm have a question if with the one more [TS]

00:54:01   day thing if you're having a [TS]

00:54:03   conversation with somebody and they ask [TS]

00:54:05   you why did this happen expected the [TS]

00:54:08   answer oh well II see Peter Parker did [TS]

00:54:10   this deal with the devil but no the [TS]

00:54:11   answer is well some editor decided that [TS]

00:54:14   he wanted Peter Parker to not be married [TS]

00:54:16   anymore and so not really caring how [TS]

00:54:18   they did this so long as they did it [TS]

00:54:20   they did it the most lame way possible [TS]

00:54:22   because it whenever there's what I feel [TS]

00:54:24   ok so Peter Parker is going to be [TS]

00:54:26   they're gonna kill Peter Parker and [TS]

00:54:28   someone else could have to take on the [TS]

00:54:29   mantle of Peter Parker and so fast for [TS]

00:54:32   three years from now when nobody [TS]

00:54:34   remembers that Peter Parker was dead [TS]

00:54:36   not even Peter Parker because they [TS]

00:54:37   reversed in such a lame stupid way it [TS]

00:54:39   was a waste of time to get that to sell [TS]

00:54:42   comics in November of 2012 [TS]

00:54:45   this is an interesting thing that [TS]

00:54:46   doesn't validate was gone before [TS]

00:54:48   promises to be an interesting dilemma [TS]

00:54:52   for Peter to be in and I you can make [TS]

00:54:57   too much about what I'm about to say I [TS]

00:54:59   hope I articulate this correctly when [TS]

00:55:01   you get to the end of this story line it [TS]

00:55:03   doesn't create something that has to be [TS]

00:55:05   ignored for the next five years like [TS]

00:55:07   wednesday michael Straczynski decided [TS]

00:55:09   that Peter Parker is actually is [TS]

00:55:11   morphing into an actual spider dies it's [TS]

00:55:13   a totem an exact yes it seemed had then [TS]

00:55:17   I knew that Peter Parker after turning [TS]

00:55:19   into a horrible spider creature dies a [TS]

00:55:21   new Peter Parker cry crawls out of that [TS]

00:55:23   husk of that preacher that Peter Parker [TS]

00:55:25   was and now there's that again there's [TS]

00:55:28   this business meeting in which the story [TS]

00:55:30   conference like everybody had their [TS]

00:55:32   donuts great everybody have coffee great [TS]

00:55:34   ok we not we all know what we're gonna [TS]

00:55:36   have to say let's just all stay at the [TS]

00:55:38   same time [TS]

00:55:38   123 the thing with the spider house [TS]

00:55:41   never happened good around the same yeah [TS]

00:55:43   let's never speak of this ever again [TS]

00:55:45   i I just don't like those things which [TS]

00:55:47   is clearly this is gonna happen [TS]

00:55:49   temporarily and then this huge thing [TS]

00:55:51   that should be for the rest of his life [TS]

00:55:52   Peter Parker should be holy mother of [TS]

00:55:54   god I was a spider who ate human flesh [TS]

00:55:56   and then I called holy mother that I'm [TS]

00:56:00   not coming to work today [TS]

00:56:01   what you go to work that has to be every [TS]

00:56:04   single day for the rest of his life if [TS]

00:56:06   we accept this actually happened [TS]

00:56:08   whereas but dan has been doing with rock [TS]

00:56:10   its that's going to be very interesting [TS]

00:56:12   that that's a trial is going to teach us [TS]

00:56:14   a lot about who Peter Parker is and it [TS]

00:56:16   isn't and also isn't that the worst [TS]

00:56:18   thing imaginable latest that that as as [TS]

00:56:21   as trustworthy as that they as a horror [TS]

00:56:24   story element as body swap that someone [TS]

00:56:26   is living her life for you isn't the [TS]

00:56:27   worst fear that oh my god this guy is [TS]

00:56:29   doing a better job of being me than any [TS]

00:56:31   better any god damn it [TS]

00:56:33   yeah that's the yeah exactly [TS]

00:56:36   continuity is just a crushing thing in [TS]

00:56:38   comics in general and and that mean [TS]

00:56:40   that's why ultimate spider-man worked so [TS]

00:56:43   well for me is that that they got to [TS]

00:56:45   toss it out and tell that story again [TS]

00:56:47   after you tell the story is long enough [TS]

00:56:49   then you know literally every story has [TS]

00:56:51   been told and then you end up doing [TS]

00:56:53   these backtracking things there's [TS]

00:56:54   nothing worse like you said then and [TS]

00:56:56   saying the reason this story happened is [TS]

00:56:58   because we have an editorial directive [TS]

00:56:59   to change the continuity [TS]

00:57:02   I mean that's it that one more day I [TS]

00:57:04   would put the crisis on Infinite Earths [TS]

00:57:05   thing in DC Comics the same sort of [TS]

00:57:07   thing is like it's a story about [TS]

00:57:08   continuity that's not a story continuity [TS]

00:57:11   is not a story right get being back I [TS]

00:57:13   would much rather do if you ever watch [TS]

00:57:16   the TV show friday night lights the [TS]

00:57:17   second season of friday night lights [TS]

00:57:18   kind of goes off the rails and the third [TS]

00:57:20   season comes along and they don't have [TS]

00:57:22   Bobby Ewing standing in the shower and [TS]

00:57:24   though it was all a dream [TS]

00:57:25   they're just like we're not going to [TS]

00:57:26   talk about what happened we're just [TS]

00:57:27   gonna eat did never happen right [TS]

00:57:29   they just don't talk about it and tell [TS]

00:57:31   more stories and comics sometimes get [TS]

00:57:35   way too caught up in the mechanics of [TS]

00:57:37   continuity and i think that the writers [TS]

00:57:40   are at fault the editors our fault my [TS]

00:57:41   fans are at fault when really what we [TS]

00:57:44   wanted our good stories that that shed [TS]

00:57:46   light on these characters that we like [TS]

00:57:47   that are that that's different something [TS]

00:57:49   that we haven't thought of before an [TS]

00:57:51   interesting take on a character and if [TS]

00:57:53   spider-man 700 leads down to interesting [TS]

00:57:56   stories about these characters [TS]

00:57:57   especially if they don't have to read [TS]

00:58:01   content all later [TS]

00:58:02   that's great that's that's what i want [TS]

00:58:04   is I want good stories right ultimately [TS]

00:58:05   up that's yeah but and andy and i talked [TS]

00:58:09   about this in the past when I forget [TS]

00:58:11   which episode was Andy but we were [TS]

00:58:12   talking about why these characters [TS]

00:58:16   who've been around for so long why I the [TS]

00:58:18   authors continue to write for them and [TS]

00:58:21   not come out with new heroes are new [TS]

00:58:23   villains quite as much and it this kind [TS]

00:58:25   of circles back to that in some way and [TS]

00:58:27   that you know you have you have somebody [TS]

00:58:29   like me who at age four was sitting next [TS]

00:58:31   to spider-man and like spider-man is a [TS]

00:58:33   certain he's a certain guy under the [TS]

00:58:35   mask and it's not like I don't want to [TS]

00:58:37   see him change like when he got married [TS]

00:58:38   am j like I thought that was great you [TS]

00:58:41   know I thought that was go look at this [TS]

00:58:43   you know he's growing up I grew up he [TS]

00:58:45   shouldn't haha right you know and like [TS]

00:58:48   that was fine and there's been things [TS]

00:58:49   i'm not going to say that I was a fan of [TS]

00:58:51   the the clone things when he had the [TS]

00:58:53   extra arms or you know when he came out [TS]

00:58:55   of the house like those those things are [TS]

00:58:57   kind of weird [TS]

00:58:58   and you know the entire world knowing [TS]

00:59:01   his identity [TS]

00:59:01   well okay you know it's not your friend [TS]

00:59:04   less interesting dr. Mary Jane Mary Jane [TS]

00:59:06   also had a baby that they don't talk [TS]

00:59:08   about so yeah and there was a clone that [TS]

00:59:11   took his identity but it didn't take [TS]

00:59:12   this identity but it did yeah andyou [TS]

00:59:14   know there have been introduced and [TS]

00:59:16   apparently yeah okay [TS]

00:59:18   scarlet spider but that you know so that [TS]

00:59:20   there are different there i mean if [TS]

00:59:22   you're almost gonna draw I'll go along [TS]

00:59:24   with it but it you know for me it's it's [TS]

00:59:27   it's tough because this is a character [TS]

00:59:30   who you know like if you sell well [TS]

00:59:33   Superman's not gonna be Clark Kent it's [TS]

00:59:34   gonna be Lex Luthor in in his brain [TS]

00:59:37   well they've done things like that you [TS]

00:59:39   know but you you always got the sense [TS]

00:59:41   that it wasn't there wasn't a sense of [TS]

00:59:43   permanence to it and everything that [TS]

00:59:45   that Marvel and the people from Marvel [TS]

00:59:47   have been saying is you know that that [TS]

00:59:50   you're starting a new series with we're [TS]

00:59:52   talking about the superior spider-man [TS]

00:59:54   because and we didn't think we've said [TS]

00:59:55   this issue and 700 I it [TS]

00:59:55   this issue and 700 I it [TS]

01:00:00   is the last few of the amazing [TS]

01:00:02   spider-man last until it proves useful [TS]

01:00:04   to make it not the last but yes but [TS]

01:00:07   there is the new series to replace it is [TS]

01:00:09   called superior spider-man right which [TS]

01:00:12   is going to start with issue number one [TS]

01:00:13   in january and I it it is not this is [TS]

01:00:19   what they said it is not going to be [TS]

01:00:20   Peter Parker yeah the masking now at [TS]

01:00:23   least we're being unless this is all [TS]

01:00:25   just a red herring [TS]

01:00:26   yeah we're being led to believe that [TS]

01:00:28   this is now doc ock I rocks brainpower [TS]

01:00:32   and met and and yet still his own [TS]

01:00:34   memories and Peter Parker's memories [TS]

01:00:36   it's totally a red herring but you know [TS]

01:00:38   but to what end [TS]

01:00:40   I don't know the sad thing is they did [TS]

01:00:41   this already I mean that as a fan of [TS]

01:00:42   ultimate spider-man they stopped [TS]

01:00:44   ultimate spider-man and they remembered [TS]

01:00:46   it with number one they had that event [TS]

01:00:47   where nothing will ever be the same and [TS]

01:00:49   New York was flooded and then of course [TS]

01:00:51   five issues later everything was the [TS]

01:00:52   same but because it's comics but um and [TS]

01:00:55   then spider-man will not be behind the [TS]

01:00:57   mask and all of that Peter Parker won't [TS]

01:00:59   be behind the mask and it was all just [TS]

01:01:01   you know it was bogus [TS]

01:01:03   it was you and now here they are doing [TS]

01:01:04   it again yeah so it's it's pee again [TS]

01:01:07   sometimes I feel like the pr actually [TS]

01:01:09   serves to make me less interested in [TS]

01:01:11   what they're doing that and then the [TS]

01:01:13   stories have to redeem the PR which [TS]

01:01:15   seems backward to me but ok fair enough [TS]

01:01:17   but but we don't want them to screw up [TS]

01:01:20   spider-man oh that's my thought is like [TS]

01:01:21   amazing spider-man 700 issues it's been [TS]

01:01:23   there since the beginning the second [TS]

01:01:24   appearance of spider-man was amazing [TS]

01:01:26   spider-man number one and now there's [TS]

01:01:29   like well we're going to do this other [TS]

01:01:30   spider-man and we're gonna see what [TS]

01:01:31   happens and what is this may be this [TS]

01:01:34   good stories will come out of it is [TS]

01:01:35   necessary to do it's not like this with [TS]

01:01:37   spider-man I I say no I say no and [TS]

01:01:40   that's the thing like you want to keep [TS]

01:01:42   them relevant you want to keep them [TS]

01:01:43   interesting well i thought the ultimate [TS]

01:01:45   spider-man both spider-man characters [TS]

01:01:49   you know in that and those stories [TS]

01:01:51   around it or really interesting and you [TS]

01:01:54   know what okay so Peter Parker died died [TS]

01:01:57   and was very sad [TS]

01:01:59   it was very sad and that kind of sucked [TS]

01:02:01   and there are people who got really [TS]

01:02:02   upset about that [TS]

01:02:03   yeah I damn i actually got more upset [TS]

01:02:05   that they advertise it as the death of [TS]

01:02:07   Spiderman five-issue arc for upfront [TS]

01:02:10   yeah and so when it happened it was like [TS]

01:02:12   oh so they did [TS]

01:02:13   instead of it being actually like oh I [TS]

01:02:15   can't believe what they just did it [TS]

01:02:17   again the PR / blue the story which is [TS]

01:02:20   that was too bad but I we had about it [TS]

01:02:22   but you know like they can do that kind [TS]

01:02:24   of thing but you knew that they were [TS]

01:02:27   doing that and that they're bringing in [TS]

01:02:29   miles and then you're like well at least [TS]

01:02:31   we got Peter Parker over here in the [TS]

01:02:32   real yeah right you know like you knew [TS]

01:02:35   that and we were over here again and now [TS]

01:02:38   they're screwing around with that you [TS]

01:02:39   like I just like I and you know what I [TS]

01:02:42   mean I know that I know why they're [TS]

01:02:43   doing what they're doing seen in you [TS]

01:02:45   need to sell these things and that's [TS]

01:02:46   fine but can I don't know [TS]

01:02:49   now i'm trying not to get upsetting is [TS]

01:02:51   that what I don't like is that there's a [TS]

01:02:53   I don't know why they make they have to [TS]

01:02:57   make every story line about the stupid [TS]

01:03:01   details about the characters if this [TS]

01:03:03   this is this is a pet it was all the way [TS]

01:03:05   back to III first I first really [TS]

01:03:08   identified by watching Star Trek The [TS]

01:03:10   Next Generation all of those episodes in [TS]

01:03:12   which i have it i just wanted to get the [TS]

01:03:14   showrunner in a room and just say dude [TS]

01:03:17   you have interesting colorful range of [TS]

01:03:19   characters that are on a starship that [TS]

01:03:22   can go anywhere and do anything and this [TS]

01:03:25   season you had five episodes of which [TS]

01:03:27   something happens to the holodeck they [TS]

01:03:28   have to fix the computer i'm not [TS]

01:03:30   interested in this ship go someplace [TS]

01:03:33   interesting and have them do something [TS]

01:03:35   interesting and so yeah I don't know [TS]

01:03:37   yeah I know you're right the short story [TS]

01:03:38   about a character when you could just [TS]

01:03:40   tell an interesting story [TS]

01:03:42   well it's like it would we want to do [TS]

01:03:44   something really really terrific with [TS]

01:03:45   with Peter Parker so I know let's mess [TS]

01:03:48   around with his powers or let's have [TS]

01:03:49   someone else in his body or let's have a [TS]

01:03:52   morph into something else as opposed to [TS]

01:03:54   you get Peter Parker great character [TS]

01:03:56   you've done great now let's put an [TS]

01:03:58   interesting interesting situation and [TS]

01:04:00   see see how he reacts to it [TS]

01:04:02   one of my favorite moments in comics [TS]

01:04:04   where they did when doing a special [TS]

01:04:08   event crossovers for a little bit more [TS]

01:04:09   special than they used to be there was a [TS]

01:04:12   special one out 11 shot in which Peter [TS]

01:04:16   premature spider-man and wolverine [TS]

01:04:18   teamed up and did something together and [TS]

01:04:20   at the end of this book of it at the [TS]

01:04:23   it's being a Wolverine story of course [TS]

01:04:25   she had of course it's about like [TS]

01:04:27   former lover of wolverine and hershey's [TS]

01:04:29   the shadowy business she's in right now [TS]

01:04:31   and then assassins and stuff like that [TS]

01:04:34   and the climactic moment is one in which [TS]

01:04:37   is essentially the Wolverines lover [TS]

01:04:41   decided to suicide by cop thing and [TS]

01:04:44   involves spider-man it [TS]

01:04:46   we're just by reflex she attacks you [TS]

01:04:48   attack them from behind knowing that he [TS]

01:04:50   would basically flout without really [TS]

01:04:51   without red really be able to think [TS]

01:04:53   about it and basically killed her and [TS]

01:04:55   the entire deal of this story was [TS]

01:04:57   Wolverine like no man that's horrible [TS]

01:05:00   because I can kill somebody and I really [TS]

01:05:02   think twice this is gonna miss this guy [TS]

01:05:03   up forever and that's the last scene and [TS]

01:05:07   there's a bubble follow-ups in which we [TS]

01:05:08   see him just not knowing what to do with [TS]

01:05:11   this fact knowing that he even by [TS]

01:05:12   accident has killed this person been [TS]

01:05:14   irresponsible and you don't have to give [TS]

01:05:17   him an extra set of arms you don't have [TS]

01:05:19   to you know make his powers transferable [TS]

01:05:21   to somebody else you don't have to put [TS]

01:05:22   another person in his head to make these [TS]

01:05:24   incredible moments you know that Peter [TS]

01:05:26   Parker even if you kill someone by [TS]

01:05:28   accident that will change him that will [TS]

01:05:30   make you that level you can feel the [TS]

01:05:32   burden that he's put on himself this [TS]

01:05:34   happened to him [TS]

01:05:35   I want to see more stories like that and [TS]

01:05:38   the problem is that there are two [TS]

01:05:39   problems with pitching a story like that [TS]

01:05:40   number one always leave a they rent [TS]

01:05:44   their Marvel and DC does this to me they [TS]

01:05:46   rented a rental suite at the ramada inn [TS]

01:05:48   someplace and they put all their their [TS]

01:05:51   their editors and their riders and [TS]

01:05:52   veteran for three days you know and they [TS]

01:05:54   can create a sound and no one's gonna [TS]

01:05:56   say no no it's sort of like going to [TS]

01:05:59   being the creative summit at like TGI [TS]

01:06:01   Fridays and saying what if we were to [TS]

01:06:03   source RB from the best grain-fed farm [TS]

01:06:06   ever will get our our vegetables locally [TS]

01:06:08   will produce mistake and vegetables are [TS]

01:06:10   just fresh a perfectly cut from [TS]

01:06:12   perfectly cooked [TS]

01:06:13   nobody's gonna be here you say that [TS]

01:06:15   they're gonna say what if we put [TS]

01:06:16   sparklers and we can fit we coated in [TS]

01:06:18   chocolate in a double black black orchid [TS]

01:06:21   chili sauce or coffee is the death on a [TS]

01:06:24   plate yes you win you win i think the [TS]

01:06:27   same thing happens these creative [TS]

01:06:28   summits where everyone tries to top each [TS]

01:06:30   other and top each other and top each [TS]

01:06:31   other when they say no I have this [TS]

01:06:33   really wonderful moment what if Peter [TS]

01:06:35   Parker had to simply stop that [TS]

01:06:38   had this sort of moment that happens to [TS]

01:06:40   him where he can still go on with his [TS]

01:06:42   life they're gonna be no physical [TS]

01:06:43   repercussions was gonna make him rethink [TS]

01:06:45   every decision he's ever made because [TS]

01:06:47   he's never had to make he's everything I [TS]

01:06:49   ever had to make this decision before we [TS]

01:06:51   had is literally say these five people [TS]

01:06:53   are gonna have to die because I dare [TS]

01:06:55   these 20 people that I might be able to [TS]

01:06:57   save and then maybe he only saved four [TS]

01:06:59   of those people that and that and that [TS]

01:07:01   bus they ran off to go and save that and [TS]

01:07:03   that could go five or six issues as he [TS]

01:07:05   just tosses this around and said time [TS]

01:07:07   and time again it would be one of those [TS]

01:07:09   little one of those stories that just [TS]

01:07:11   sticks with you remember 20 years later [TS]

01:07:13   I mean the only reason why we're talking [TS]

01:07:14   about one more day 22 the years later is [TS]

01:07:17   that it's the the predicate to the [TS]

01:07:19   subject line what's the dumbest thing [TS]

01:07:22   that has ever been a a marvel comic ever [TS]

01:07:25   he thought you can outdo the game after [TS]

01:07:27   the Clone Saga and one-hop wait we did [TS]

01:07:30   you're right i mean I I wonder sometimes [TS]

01:07:32   if it and again i have great left for [TS]

01:07:34   ultimate spider-man if the reason that I [TS]

01:07:36   think that was so successful is really [TS]

01:07:38   because it was often decide it was one [TS]

01:07:41   author basically his vision Brian Bendis [TS]

01:07:43   bit vision and he got to tell the [TS]

01:07:45   stories he wanted to tell and wasn't [TS]

01:07:47   part of the creative summit imaginations [TS]

01:07:50   with crossover events and things like [TS]

01:07:51   that and that you know that you lose [TS]

01:07:55   that and then it becomes this weird kind [TS]

01:07:57   of committee driven stunt driven thing [TS]

01:08:00   and maybe that's just the nature of the [TS]

01:08:02   of the medium but uh you know I i love [TS]

01:08:05   the character though I mean I guess [TS]

01:08:06   before have been going for a little [TS]

01:08:08   while here before we go I want to ask [TS]

01:08:09   you know what makes us love spider-man [TS]

01:08:11   why do we why do we love Him do we love [TS]

01:08:13   Him because He is this guy who doesn't [TS]

01:08:14   have his act together we loved him [TS]

01:08:16   because his is outfitted school and he's [TS]

01:08:18   got cool powers why why is he one of the [TS]

01:08:20   top you know two or three comic book [TS]

01:08:23   superheroes that that have ever existed [TS]

01:08:25   which is I think kind of undeniable you [TS]

01:08:27   got Superman and Batman you got [TS]

01:08:29   spider-man I think those are the top [TS]

01:08:30   three right so why is he end up in the [TS]

01:08:33   pantheon what why we love Him because [TS]

01:08:34   the way this personality has been [TS]

01:08:37   crafted it is classic powerful story and [TS]

01:08:40   doesn't mean it doesn't really even [TS]

01:08:42   matter that he is spider-man or this is [TS]

01:08:44   a comic book the fact that he could be [TS]

01:08:46   so much more than he actually is and he [TS]

01:08:49   has held back by this overwhelming [TS]

01:08:52   guilt that he will never use think is [TS]

01:08:56   the guilt trip superintendent and about [TS]

01:08:58   and I am NOT whining way either [TS]

01:09:01   ok where is that were either you've seen [TS]

01:09:03   other characters were psycho for the for [TS]

01:09:05   the love of God you know is that what [TS]

01:09:07   happened 20 years ago and that person [TS]

01:09:09   would be dead or Undead dead by now [TS]

01:09:11   anyway what just stop whining about it [TS]

01:09:13   if he doesn't know doesn't do a whole [TS]

01:09:16   lot of pacing in rain-soaked midnight [TS]

01:09:18   streets about not being able to [TS]

01:09:20   intervene and save the same example been [TS]

01:09:22   but you see that this is why I Eve is [TS]

01:09:25   he's going to he's gonna go [TS]

01:09:26   he has a big job interview at 9am he's [TS]

01:09:29   gonna do it on two and a half hours [TS]

01:09:31   sleep because he felt was all I need to [TS]

01:09:33   cover this one more block because there [TS]

01:09:35   might be something his life is a [TS]

01:09:36   disaster in part because he's so [TS]

01:09:38   responsible in he'll he's allowed Peter [TS]

01:09:41   Parker's life to be a disaster because [TS]

01:09:42   of the responsibility he feels right [TS]

01:09:44   spider-man you know and it's I mean we [TS]

01:09:46   could we could have such a regular [TS]

01:09:47   spiritual and religious discussion about [TS]

01:09:49   this [TS]

01:09:50   we're at some point it even become self [TS]

01:09:52   indulgent that he feels this amount of [TS]

01:09:55   guilt that he could move on to be twice [TS]

01:09:57   and be twice as effective at helping [TS]

01:09:59   people but it's a there's a there's [TS]

01:10:02   there's a reason why the grieving [TS]

01:10:04   process is called a process because a [TS]

01:10:06   process ends if you make grief your [TS]

01:10:09   entire life theme you are throwing away [TS]

01:10:12   when the greatest gifts that the [TS]

01:10:14   universe gives you which is life so that [TS]

01:10:17   the this is the this is a condensed [TS]

01:10:18   version of the three are excited [TS]

01:10:19   discussion we can have about the gospel [TS]

01:10:21   for computer Parker but that's why he is [TS]

01:10:24   such a powerful character you could [TS]

01:10:25   write an opera based on this character [TS]

01:10:27   you could buy an app you could you could [TS]

01:10:29   write a epic novel about this character [TS]

01:10:31   it's such a powerful and compelling [TS]

01:10:33   concept that a innocence he's almost [TS]

01:10:36   bulletproof he will he will he will [TS]

01:10:38   survive one more day he will survive [TS]

01:10:40   being turned into a giant spider he [TS]

01:10:41   would even survive the spider buggy [TS]

01:10:43   because of this core concept that [TS]

01:10:45   mission just can't mention you know you [TS]

01:10:49   mentioned guilty I i think the [TS]

01:10:50   interesting thing about him and and I do [TS]

01:10:52   think guilt is at the root of his origin [TS]

01:10:55   but it's that the great power comes [TS]

01:10:57   great responsibility to be guilt [TS]

01:10:58   transmuted into responsibility but it [TS]

01:11:01   does it gives you a good reason why he [TS]

01:11:03   does what he does and why he prioritizes [TS]

01:11:06   that superheroes sometimes struggle with [TS]

01:11:08   you always a view if you apply some [TS]

01:11:10   reality some logic to some of these [TS]

01:11:11   superhero stories like why why do it why [TS]

01:11:14   would you even do it what you want you [TS]

01:11:15   getting beat up you're gonna die [TS]

01:11:17   you know all these reasons why do you do [TS]

01:11:19   it and with spider-man we got a really [TS]

01:11:20   good reason why which is it starts with [TS]

01:11:22   guilt and it leads to an understanding [TS]

01:11:23   that he has to do it because he's got [TS]

01:11:25   these powers and he would be [TS]

01:11:27   irresponsible he would be by not acting [TS]

01:11:29   he would be perfect he would be [TS]

01:11:31   committing up a bad back right by not [TS]

01:11:33   acting and that's what drives him so [TS]

01:11:35   maybe it maybe maybe he's worked through [TS]

01:11:37   some of that guilt Andy maybe not [TS]

01:11:39   depends on the story right but he [TS]

01:11:41   certainly hasn't lost the fact that [TS]

01:11:42   guilt turns into this rock-solid you [TS]

01:11:46   know credo of responsibility that he has [TS]

01:11:48   to he's always going to have these [TS]

01:11:50   powers and therefore he's always going [TS]

01:11:52   to be responsible but it's it's it's [TS]

01:11:54   it's fascinating to me know it's there [TS]

01:11:57   have been a few a really emotionally [TS]

01:12:02   fulfilling but maybe not story-wise [TS]

01:12:03   filming scenes which through one trick [TS]

01:12:05   or another [TS]

01:12:06   peter parker gets to talk to his uncle [TS]

01:12:07   ben one more time and the interest the [TS]

01:12:10   interesting way to end that would be at [TS]

01:12:13   Pete I really wish that you had married [TS]

01:12:16   mary jane i wish you would have kids I [TS]

01:12:19   wish that you had built a life for [TS]

01:12:20   yourself and sort of living your life [TS]

01:12:22   through others because you know if I [TS]

01:12:23   taught you anything it was because you [TS]

01:12:26   have value in this world and you are [TS]

01:12:27   keeping your own value on this planet by [TS]

01:12:30   not living your life for yourself that [TS]

01:12:32   way the sort of thing now there's the [TS]

01:12:33   six-issue story arc in which oh god now [TS]

01:12:36   he's staring at the pills in the rope [TS]

01:12:37   but he's having problems with dan what a [TS]

01:12:41   what what it would make spider-man [TS]

01:12:43   appeal to you you know i mean at I think [TS]

01:12:45   obviously there's that the very basic [TS]

01:12:49   stuff that because i don't remember a [TS]

01:12:52   world that didn't have spider-man in it [TS]

01:12:55   right [TS]

01:12:56   you know just like their kids yeah born [TS]

01:12:58   today who like you know like the [TS]

01:13:00   Simpsons is really old cartoon right [TS]

01:13:03   well damn more and you never live never [TS]

01:13:06   knew life without star wars which blows [TS]

01:13:07   me away i remember discovering star wars [TS]

01:13:09   but you're spider-man for us right was [TS]

01:13:11   always die of those that 1967-68 crazy [TS]

01:13:15   cheap weird [TS]

01:13:17   spiderman cartoon yeah [TS]

01:13:19   man yeah man does whatever that was my [TS]

01:13:21   introduction spider-man and I thought it [TS]

01:13:23   was great [TS]

01:13:24   absolutely even though they only had [TS]

01:13:25   like the one shot of him swinging from [TS]

01:13:27   the side one shot of that were good [TS]

01:13:29   thing those teenagers are gonna you know [TS]

01:13:31   what it was that was oh my god no [TS]

01:13:34   spider-man he's the greatest yeah I [TS]

01:13:35   always holders from that and then like [TS]

01:13:36   he came to my mall and it was like the [TS]

01:13:38   coolest thing in the world so you know [TS]

01:13:40   I've always gotta a place for and here's [TS]

01:13:43   eight here's what I always liked about [TS]

01:13:45   him and I didn't realize that i like [TS]

01:13:47   this until see I didn't self-identify as [TS]

01:13:50   what you call a nerd or geek until I was [TS]

01:13:54   old enough to really know what that was [TS]

01:13:57   so the fact that like Parker was you [TS]

01:13:59   know pocket protector pencil nike kind [TS]

01:14:02   of kid like that didn't especially [TS]

01:14:04   appeal to me and I I remember thinking [TS]

01:14:06   you know like why doesn't he just buys [TS]

01:14:08   me spider-man all the time why would you [TS]

01:14:10   ever want to be Peter Parker it seems [TS]

01:14:12   stupid the same thing with likes you [TS]

01:14:13   know what Batman like why does he wear [TS]

01:14:15   the suit all the time he does and even [TS]

01:14:18   struggling with your records I'm sorry [TS]

01:14:20   once I don't let you get back it has to [TS]

01:14:22   be pointed out that Batman is the real [TS]

01:14:23   personality super the costume is Bruce [TS]

01:14:26   Wayne [TS]

01:14:27   yeah then very very very interesting [TS]

01:14:29   Bruce Wayne is a is a fraud and Batman [TS]

01:14:31   is the guy we get it we gotta get we [TS]

01:14:33   gotta get Jason to see that movie so you [TS]

01:14:35   can tell ya those we will read we will [TS]

01:14:37   revisit the other Nolan trilogy I want [TS]

01:14:38   to talk about that be great there [TS]

01:14:39   remember yeah dad that's the difference [TS]

01:14:41   of Superman that was always the argument [TS]

01:14:42   is right from Clark Kent is the is the [TS]

01:14:44   is to put on and Superman is the galaxy [TS]

01:14:47   I think it's the other way around Peter [TS]

01:14:48   Parker is the hero hear you i will say [TS]

01:14:51   again [TS]

01:14:51   parenthetically that's completely [TS]

01:14:53   reverse of it that the car cat is the [TS]

01:14:56   real person Superman is the fake [TS]

01:14:57   personality they're super Superman is [TS]

01:14:59   the fake person okay fair enough fair [TS]

01:15:01   enough [TS]

01:15:02   where's Batman Bruce Wayne is a potent [TS]

01:15:05   right Bruce Wayne is millionaire doofus [TS]

01:15:08   right [TS]

01:15:09   gernot real right not not a reed not a [TS]

01:15:12   real guy even though there is a real guy [TS]

01:15:13   that's not how that's not him right [TS]

01:15:15   where's Peter Parker I don't know why is [TS]

01:15:17   who's the real who's the real guy I've [TS]

01:15:19   Peter Parker's the hero peter parker's a [TS]

01:15:21   hero and you always feel like you and [TS]

01:15:23   this is do you ask me what appeals to me [TS]

01:15:24   you feel like that's Peter Parker at [TS]

01:15:27   least I do when I really want to read [TS]

01:15:28   when the good writers you know home [TS]

01:15:30   talking and it's the sacrifice right [TS]

01:15:32   sacrifice to look like i said his his [TS]

01:15:34   wife is is just crap you don't come at [TS]

01:15:36   least I sacrifices a totally and I don't [TS]

01:15:39   feel when I'm reading you know when you [TS]

01:15:41   when you read Batman ok taping caloron [TS]

01:15:44   let's you know let's let's get down to [TS]

01:15:47   business here with some of the cow with [TS]

01:15:50   Peter Parker and spider-man I feel like [TS]

01:15:52   it's one guy I don't feel like there's a [TS]

01:15:54   duel at least you know [TS]

01:15:55   not since the black suit I don't feel [TS]

01:15:58   like there's a dual thing happening here [TS]

01:16:00   it's one guy he sometimes wears the mask [TS]

01:16:02   because he's out there and he's doing [TS]

01:16:04   stuff where he doesn't want you know [TS]

01:16:05   people know who he is and and then the [TS]

01:16:08   rest of the time he's not but it's still [TS]

01:16:10   one guy and one of the things back to [TS]

01:16:12   this movie [TS]

01:16:13   one of the things that was was you know [TS]

01:16:16   need about and of course you have to do [TS]

01:16:17   this because you know you want to see [TS]

01:16:19   his expressions and stuff but there's a [TS]

01:16:20   lot of parts of the movie where he was [TS]

01:16:22   although he was doing stuff as [TS]

01:16:24   spider-man he might not have the mask on [TS]

01:16:25   again right you know you do that because [TS]

01:16:27   you want to see the actor you want to [TS]

01:16:29   see what he's experiencing the girls [TS]

01:16:31   like him whatever but you say that like [TS]

01:16:32   that and it totally makes sense but that [TS]

01:16:34   was one of the problems with the [TS]

01:16:35   original Sam Raimi's again is that it [TS]

01:16:37   was like a Power Rangers movies you [TS]

01:16:39   never saw people face it was like 50 [TS]

01:16:40   million better and-and-and know who was [TS]

01:16:43   a who was the Green Goblin that it was a [TS]

01:16:46   fall wedding photo right I admit they're [TS]

01:16:48   having these moments where it's coming [TS]

01:16:50   back and forth and it's like it is but [TS]

01:16:51   its member states a man it's a series of [TS]

01:16:53   masks so it's so is that like he loses [TS]

01:16:57   his mask he takes his mask offerings [TS]

01:16:58   like it's a gun right it's this [TS]

01:17:00   candidates the heart of spider-man to me [TS]

01:17:02   ya know i think that i think you're [TS]

01:17:04   right the flat in fact that things don't [TS]

01:17:05   always go well for him that he's a [TS]

01:17:07   reaction to those like super with it [TS]

01:17:09   together DC heroes where you know [TS]

01:17:12   especially back in the sixties when he [TS]

01:17:13   was created and the then Peter Parker is [TS]

01:17:16   just kind of it's kind of messed things [TS]

01:17:17   don't go well he gets beat up he you [TS]

01:17:19   know he he loses his job or he misses an [TS]

01:17:22   assignment or whatever it is and that [TS]

01:17:24   that's kind of endearing to that he he [TS]

01:17:26   you know he's struggling with being a [TS]

01:17:27   superhero it's not easy right it's not [TS]

01:17:29   easy alright and this is this is what [TS]

01:17:30   I'm gonna like him you know the cops [TS]

01:17:32   don't like him jonah Jameson does right [TS]

01:17:34   come you know you know what I felt like [TS]

01:17:36   I didn't miss was the whole show me lass [TS]

01:17:39   pecked to the tobey maguire Peter Parker [TS]

01:17:41   the sad sack still behind bars way [TS]

01:17:44   you said it kicks the can is nothing to [TS]

01:17:47   give to you right [TS]

01:17:48   you're the pretty girl and you like me [TS]

01:17:50   but I just can't my heart is too full [TS]

01:17:52   right right what you want to shake it [TS]

01:17:55   and you're like stupid Peter Parker and [TS]

01:17:57   there's not there's none of that in this [TS]

01:17:59   for again he had you in my life and [TS]

01:18:01   dignity [TS]

01:18:02   yeah andrew garfield so I think did a [TS]

01:18:03   good job I thought he was a I think he [TS]

01:18:05   again I didn't know when thanks to get [TS]

01:18:07   you I thought I was not gonna like him [TS]

01:18:08   in this role and and I wound up thinking [TS]

01:18:11   he did a pretty pretty good job and [TS]

01:18:13   Martin Sheen pretty good a Uncle Ben I [TS]

01:18:15   thought to surprise especially [TS]

01:18:17   especially in that scene in the High [TS]

01:18:19   School where gwen stacy is there and he [TS]

01:18:21   basically tries very hard to embarrass [TS]

01:18:23   ya at lunch is possible [TS]

01:18:24   I'm his parole on separately expect it [TS]

01:18:27   sadly walking everybody walk into [TS]

01:18:29   talking a lot more though [TS]

01:18:30   yeah I know I know it's like well you're [TS]

01:18:31   your dad your uncle is the president of [TS]

01:18:34   the united states for pete's sake yeah [TS]

01:18:35   and you're and you're on and is Sally [TS]

01:18:37   Field yeah come on how bad can life be [TS]

01:18:41   your girlfriend's got it much worse [TS]

01:18:43   Denis Leary and father I mean [TS]

01:18:46   alright so let's listen one thing we [TS]

01:18:47   haven't really talked about very much at [TS]

01:18:49   all and i don't want to spend too much [TS]

01:18:50   more time in the center you guys because [TS]

01:18:52   they're running out of time but yes I [TS]

01:18:53   think I think we're thinking the same [TS]

01:18:54   thing [TS]

01:18:55   ok what is nanny should spider-man be an [TS]

01:18:57   adventure oh well that's a good question [TS]

01:19:00   to the maybe better than what I was [TS]

01:19:01   gonna say so should he be various [TS]

01:19:04   various movie contract suggestion but [TS]

01:19:06   yeah I would say no I would say [TS]

01:19:07   absolutely not [TS]

01:19:09   and the fact that he is in the comics is [TS]

01:19:11   strange and it's strange to Peter Parker [TS]

01:19:13   by the way in the comics too [TS]

01:19:14   yeah I never liked that beyond beyond [TS]

01:19:17   like Marvel team-up I never liked Peter [TS]

01:19:19   Parker never like spider-man interacting [TS]

01:19:21   with the other Marvel heroes beyond a [TS]

01:19:22   you know misunderstanding i get in the [TS]

01:19:25   way happy having trouble for having been [TS]

01:19:26   pool for that he's a lonely you know [TS]

01:19:29   he's a loner [TS]

01:19:30   he's a lonely guy and and being part of [TS]

01:19:32   me that was an interesting story arc [TS]

01:19:33   when they were like move into the [TS]

01:19:35   penthouse of Avengers mansion with [TS]

01:19:36   ant-man and things like that because it [TS]

01:19:38   was so like whoa this is not my life [TS]

01:19:41   right that so so i could see telling a [TS]

01:19:43   story like that but in general to just [TS]

01:19:45   have them kinda be tagging along with [TS]

01:19:47   the adventures it doesn't seem to eat [TS]

01:19:48   because i'm writing those in and it did [TS]

01:19:49   the running joke in those is that he's a [TS]

01:19:52   speaking of underpowered he's so [TS]

01:19:54   underpowered when he's with the other [TS]

01:19:56   cheers and that's the joke that's the [TS]

01:19:58   joke in the comics well okay Black Widow [TS]

01:20:00   is an adventure to when captain captain [TS]

01:20:03   america's number one superpower is being [TS]

01:20:05   really really liked by brian michael [TS]

01:20:07   bendis after one superpower keeps [TS]

01:20:09   writing some pretty good power but [TS]

01:20:10   it'sit's it deprived putting it at its [TS]

01:20:14   so much stronger that he has the respect [TS]

01:20:16   of pretty much all the other girls out [TS]

01:20:19   there right but he doesn't feel as [TS]

01:20:20   though he deserves it he's been that had [TS]

01:20:22   been offered a spot of the event started [TS]

01:20:24   bouncing no I'm not really in this [TS]

01:20:26   league guys I really at your level and [TS]

01:20:28   also there's the idea alright so people [TS]

01:20:29   in the chat room and ear by pointing out [TS]

01:20:31   that Hawkeye is he's okay so fine he's [TS]

01:20:33   not underpowered compared to all of them [TS]

01:20:35   but you know you're still running around [TS]

01:20:36   with with the whole home you know and [TS]

01:20:38   Iron Man Thor I wouldn't be bad PR for [TS]

01:20:42   them too [TS]

01:20:43   i mean i-i he's he's so disliked by so [TS]

01:20:46   many people would be like you know [TS]

01:20:48   Spidey we love you but we can't be seen [TS]

01:20:50   around row anyway I like I think he adds [TS]

01:20:52   a bit of hard to the Avengers team i [TS]

01:20:54   haven't seen that movie yet either but [TS]

01:20:56   in the comic books they're a bit bit [TS]

01:20:57   boring yeah sadly not allowed to be in [TS]

01:21:00   the in there because of all the x-men 1 [TS]

01:21:03   world and right spot although although [TS]

01:21:05   apparently they were gonna stick stark [TS]

01:21:07   tower in the amazing spider-man and [TS]

01:21:10   stick the Oscorp tower in the Avengers [TS]

01:21:13   just as an odd even though they're [TS]

01:21:14   totally separate studios and then there [TS]

01:21:16   i guess they ran out of rendering time [TS]

01:21:18   and it didn't happen but that would have [TS]

01:21:19   been cool little easter egg dan what we [TS]

01:21:21   sow what-what-what's the elephant in the [TS]

01:21:23   room for you that because Andy what I [TS]

01:21:25   was gonna say is it didn't guess what we [TS]

01:21:27   haven't even talked about the lizard we [TS]

01:21:29   haven't even talked about them [TS]

01:21:30   oh my god answered I try to explain me [TS]

01:21:33   what do you think do you think you know [TS]

01:21:35   that what do you think of uh of this of [TS]

01:21:39   this lizard you know they wanted to pick [TS]

01:21:41   a villain who was not in the other [TS]

01:21:43   movies so they're down to to the lizard [TS]

01:21:45   and yeah I i think the lizard kinda [TS]

01:21:49   deserve better just because the lizard [TS]

01:21:51   for me has always been this tragic guy [TS]

01:21:52   that I'm super triangle especially when [TS]

01:21:55   he's ready girls are back right [TS]

01:21:58   he's not a megalomaniac he tries to [TS]

01:21:59   grows on back and open this door and and [TS]

01:22:02   and let this monster out and then in I [TS]

01:22:05   like actually in the comics down the [TS]

01:22:07   road they always had Connors kind of [TS]

01:22:09   comeback [TS]

01:22:10   in and be really kind of chase and like [TS]

01:22:11   you know boy I screw up but now i'm [TS]

01:22:14   going to help you can use my science [TS]

01:22:15   powers to help here because I 0 and 100 [TS]

01:22:18   yeah I like that I was like that dynamic [TS]

01:22:20   but in this heat just becomes he starts [TS]

01:22:23   out kind of nutty and then he becomes [TS]

01:22:25   completely insane [TS]

01:22:27   he's like that professor in college that [TS]

01:22:29   flunking you just couldn't figure out [TS]

01:22:31   why because you didn't do a bad job you [TS]

01:22:33   know he has that kind of attitude is a [TS]

01:22:34   little bit aloof LOL it turns out he was [TS]

01:22:37   injecting radioactive lizard by his you [TS]

01:22:41   know intravenously and that explains [TS]

01:22:43   everything and I and that's the thing [TS]

01:22:44   like I didn't I didn't I didn't think [TS]

01:22:46   the treatment of a of I the character [TS]

01:22:50   was good i didn't especially like the [TS]

01:22:52   lizard as the lizard [TS]

01:22:55   i I just I felt like at least they had [TS]

01:22:59   him in the lab coat for that one scene I [TS]

01:23:01   was grateful for that right [TS]

01:23:02   they had to have that uh huh everybody's [TS]

01:23:04   getting shot up the lizard's great [TS]

01:23:06   choice for being here this is gonna be [TS]

01:23:08   this is gonna be an action movie what's [TS]

01:23:10   cooler than anthropomorphic lizard this [TS]

01:23:12   insane and then yeah it is and he's also [TS]

01:23:15   ok he's also a character that can fight [TS]

01:23:18   someone with spider-man's powers very [TS]

01:23:20   very effectively you don't you know it's [TS]

01:23:22   good monster exactly a good monster my [TS]

01:23:24   problem was the the lab scenes where [TS]

01:23:26   he's like ranting about where I I guess [TS]

01:23:30   I'll i prefer a lizard that's kind of [TS]

01:23:31   more like the Hulk where it's like [TS]

01:23:32   there's this really regretful scientists [TS]

01:23:34   and then there's this monster the dress [TS]

01:23:35   over and instead he just became this [TS]

01:23:37   metric megalomaniac side right wanted to [TS]

01:23:39   become a lizard yeah and he was happy as [TS]

01:23:41   the lizard it seemed like and and play [TS]

01:23:43   content and then when he went back to [TS]

01:23:46   being connor's again he wanted to go [TS]

01:23:48   back to Lizard right away and I mean [TS]

01:23:50   there's a little bit of that dynamic in [TS]

01:23:51   in the books as well but I don't know I [TS]

01:23:53   just didn't think the tree and and to be [TS]

01:23:55   honest I didn't like the look of the [TS]

01:23:57   lizard one bed [TS]

01:23:59   not one bit huh didn't like it when I [TS]

01:24:03   did like when ripped off his tail i was [TS]

01:24:05   pretty cool i was good but I do know [TS]

01:24:08   that this sort of smushy face and you [TS]

01:24:11   know I always delicious supposed to have [TS]

01:24:12   a little bit of a snout he didn't need [TS]

01:24:14   the chelsea grin as they say he was a [TS]

01:24:17   little bit God's yeah Smitty Godzilla [TS]

01:24:20   tiny Katella I don't know [TS]

01:24:23   I don't know i was i was disappointed [TS]

01:24:24   that i like you know III Gwen Stacy I [TS]

01:24:27   liked aspects of that I thought you know [TS]

01:24:29   she's cute as a button I you their [TS]

01:24:31   interaction was really nice but the [TS]

01:24:32   whole like she's also in the lab a [TS]

01:24:35   couple of nonsense that was lame i think [TS]

01:24:37   it would've been better if she was a [TS]

01:24:38   regular high school student and I mean [TS]

01:24:40   something else about Peter led him you [TS]

01:24:42   know the fact that that her dad is the [TS]

01:24:44   captain is enough of a coincidence to [TS]

01:24:45   have her also work at the lab with [TS]

01:24:47   honors who has the Oscar up which is the [TS]

01:24:49   formula from Peters parents and all that [TS]

01:24:51   it's just like too much too much and it [TS]

01:24:53   makes her makes her character not make [TS]

01:24:55   sense because she's just a kid like [TS]

01:24:57   Peter in her school and she's not some [TS]

01:24:59   scientific supergenius even if she's a [TS]

01:25:02   very bright student she's not gonna be [TS]

01:25:04   like literally on the line honours it's [TS]

01:25:06   like when you're gonna run the whole [TS]

01:25:08   intern program for all the other interns [TS]

01:25:10   it's like know that no too many [TS]

01:25:12   coincidences not necessary but but i [TS]

01:25:16   liked you know I i like the character I [TS]

01:25:19   like the performance I I like lots of [TS]

01:25:21   things about it i like to also not [TS]

01:25:22   having the burden of the mary-jane thing [TS]

01:25:23   and having it you know be kind of little [TS]

01:25:26   lighter it's like it's a girl he likes [TS]

01:25:28   in high school and it's gonna be his [TS]

01:25:29   first girlfriend and we know what [TS]

01:25:31   happens to Gwen Stacy in the comics but [TS]

01:25:33   i like that they that they just want to [TS]

01:25:35   sit out better happen in the next movie [TS]

01:25:37   that's all i've got to say they better [TS]

01:25:39   happen it better happen early on in the [TS]

01:25:41   movie i'm gonna be very upset i'll be [TS]

01:25:43   very upset if she dies because I i think [TS]

01:25:46   that's a good idea better i but but you [TS]

01:25:48   kind of that sort of what you do with [TS]

01:25:50   Gwen Stacy do you have the Green Goblin [TS]

01:25:51   you help that's that's the next movie [TS]

01:25:53   I'm gonna tell everybody right now the [TS]

01:25:55   next movie is Green Goblin and it's [TS]

01:25:58   going Stacy and she better die in this [TS]

01:25:59   thing because if they go off the rails [TS]

01:26:01   with that one too [TS]

01:26:02   you've lost me it's not that I don't [TS]

01:26:03   like her I think she's great I'll I I [TS]

01:26:05   wish you would stick around but she [TS]

01:26:07   can't it's too late [TS]

01:26:08   the rumor is that electro really is the [TS]

01:26:11   the villain in the next one and i hope [TS]

01:26:13   so I hope there's no green goblin in the [TS]

01:26:14   next one and they play that out even [TS]

01:26:16   further with Norman Osborn because what [TS]

01:26:18   I'd what I've learned about superhero [TS]

01:26:20   movies and you guys can back me up on [TS]

01:26:21   this is when you start adding more [TS]

01:26:23   villains that's when the quality of the [TS]

01:26:26   movie goes through ten you do I likely [TS]

01:26:27   an IV around electro though [TS]

01:26:29   well they didn't find lizard you've got [TS]

01:26:31   to transformation you've got him as a [TS]

01:26:33   scientist that the thing we discussed [TS]

01:26:35   the way the electric shows [TS]

01:26:36   japanese you know he's happen people [TS]

01:26:39   yeah Jamie Foxx is what gives you any a [TS]

01:26:41   any encouragement realize this will be [TS]

01:26:44   one of only 17 different subplots but I [TS]

01:26:47   think that's something i think that i [TS]

01:26:49   really wish that were like the [TS]

01:26:50   Commissioner of movies where that this [TS]

01:26:52   is like how like China controls the the [TS]

01:26:54   internet where they don't stop you from [TS]

01:26:56   doing anything but they realize that you [TS]

01:26:58   realize that we are giving you were [TS]

01:26:59   giving you a license to operate in our [TS]

01:27:01   country if you do not please us we will [TS]

01:27:03   pull that license if I have that sort of [TS]

01:27:04   authority over the movie industry i [TS]

01:27:06   would say okay Marvel if you want to [TS]

01:27:07   continue to have a license to make [TS]

01:27:09   movies you will never ever ever ever [TS]

01:27:11   ever ever ever ever ever until I say [TS]

01:27:13   otherwise do anything that builds up to [TS]

01:27:15   a post-credit sequence in which somebody [TS]

01:27:17   meet somebody else and shoes hidden by [TS]

01:27:19   shadows on some and reveal something [TS]

01:27:22   that tells us also he's gonna be the big [TS]

01:27:25   guy in the next movie right because I [TS]

01:27:27   mean both spoke with the spider-man [TS]

01:27:28   movie the avengers that had that same [TS]

01:27:30   problem where few have removed the fact [TS]

01:27:32   that you have to have this other guy who [TS]

01:27:34   has absolute almost no role in the [TS]

01:27:36   actual movie but he's just there for the [TS]

01:27:38   post-credit sequence to set up the [TS]

01:27:40   sequel [TS]

01:27:40   oh man you get that's like that's like [TS]

01:27:42   dropping leg weights and being able to [TS]

01:27:45   fly after that so it's like oh the [TS]

01:27:48   Commissioner of movies has been so mote [TS]

01:27:51   it be up there anything else you want to [TS]

01:27:53   talk about a about a about Spidey before [TS]

01:27:56   we go I feel like we've turned this over [TS]

01:27:58   a few different because the constant but [TS]

01:28:00   we don't have to go [TS]

01:28:01   yeah I was ok that's a tough time there [TS]

01:28:03   wasn't any real in real life right [TS]

01:28:06   it was alright but I you know like to me [TS]

01:28:08   he could build though I know you guys [TS]

01:28:09   want to just get down but he made it [TS]

01:28:11   right i mean i didn't like I believe he [TS]

01:28:13   could make those web shooters fine but [TS]

01:28:15   it got that constant come on come on [TS]

01:28:17   yeah there's a there's a little there i [TS]

01:28:19   like that they showed him like getting [TS]

01:28:20   fabric and trying to make it right [TS]

01:28:22   because i think that is part of the [TS]

01:28:23   story but it was a good cause it was [TS]

01:28:26   really good yeah and he was a future he [TS]

01:28:28   has a future in in costume design for [TS]

01:28:31   the movies well that in ultimate [TS]

01:28:32   spider-man he has he ends up having Mary [TS]

01:28:34   Jane makeup costumes and which is great [TS]

01:28:37   because she's in on it early on and then [TS]

01:28:40   he keeps losing his costumes and she's [TS]

01:28:41   like do I have to make you another [TS]

01:28:43   costume and its really funny and you [TS]

01:28:45   know like I said he's got no spider [TS]

01:28:46   pants for a while [TS]

01:28:47   it's good it's that's really great stuff [TS]

01:28:49   so you know i like that they tried to [TS]

01:28:51   make it that this is a homespun guy [TS]

01:28:53   though that he's making his web shooters [TS]

01:28:54   he's making his costume he doesn't have [TS]

01:28:56   you know he's trying to do it all [TS]

01:28:58   himself i thought that was fun even [TS]

01:29:00   though it's completely unlikely that [TS]

01:29:01   anybody who is not a professional could [TS]

01:29:04   have made a suit like that right but i [TS]

01:29:06   did i did like he ran around with a [TS]

01:29:07   little mask on for a while the beginning [TS]

01:29:09   that was pretty cool does whatever a [TS]

01:29:10   spider can apparently spiders can make [TS]

01:29:13   very detailed superior past outside [TS]

01:29:15   didn't know that that integrate the [TS]

01:29:17   greatest gift a superhero movies if not [TS]

01:29:19   superiors in general is the fact that [TS]

01:29:21   they're in real in real life there is [TS]

01:29:22   this thing called a 3d printer so now [TS]

01:29:24   that's your solution to every problem [TS]

01:29:26   like how to delete kcee he's eating into [TS]

01:29:30   the lab and use the 3d printer because [TS]

01:29:31   he just picked out that they've been [TS]

01:29:33   made this made this model in google [TS]

01:29:34   sketchup of the costume that he's a good [TS]

01:29:38   artist to a nice little schedules I know [TS]

01:29:40   that I know that there's no way to get [TS]

01:29:41   no way to get around the idea of putting [TS]

01:29:43   him in the iconic costume nor should [TS]

01:29:45   they get around that idea but I do [TS]

01:29:48   always well these superhero movies when [TS]

01:29:51   they the the trend is to not set in a [TS]

01:29:54   superhero universe to set it in our real [TS]

01:29:57   world and to make it a little bit more [TS]

01:29:59   grounded and I don't think any with the [TS]

01:30:02   possible exception of the Batman movie I [TS]

01:30:04   don't know that chris nolan's batman [TS]

01:30:05   movies I don't think they've set a [TS]

01:30:07   reality in which somebody can dress like [TS]

01:30:10   spider-man and not look like the fight [TS]

01:30:13   starts with what the hell are you [TS]

01:30:14   wearing boy right well you know that new [TS]

01:30:16   with the new manager the Man of Steel [TS]

01:30:18   trailer you know there's that shot with [TS]

01:30:20   the big billowing cape and I'm like oh [TS]

01:30:21   here's the cape right and it's just it's [TS]

01:30:23   not if you're looking for reality you're [TS]

01:30:26   going to do I mean the x-men they tried [TS]

01:30:27   to do that by putting them all in [TS]

01:30:28   leather flight suits or whatever instead [TS]

01:30:30   of spandex but it's it's hard i liked [TS]

01:30:34   that scene where he tries to fight in a [TS]

01:30:35   like a hoodie I thought that was that [TS]

01:30:37   was good yeah but I mean unless you're [TS]

01:30:39   like one of my one of my favorite [TS]

01:30:41   superhero movies is unbreakable the M [TS]

01:30:43   night Shyamalan movie with bruce willis [TS]

01:30:44   and and what it Bruce Willis turns out [TS]

01:30:46   spoiler alert [TS]

01:30:47   he's sort of a superhero what's his [TS]

01:30:49   costume a purple poncho that he's [TS]

01:30:52   wearing because it's raining [TS]

01:30:53   that's his costume it's a guy in a [TS]

01:30:55   poncho but that's there's your [TS]

01:30:58   real-world take is that this kid would [TS]

01:31:00   not have a super spin [TS]

01:31:01   Dex costume on but you know that's [TS]

01:31:03   that's the intellectual property i hate [TS]

01:31:06   to say it unless they do it's a real [TS]

01:31:07   gritty rethinking of spider-man wear it [TS]

01:31:10   you know it's not it's he's gonna have [TS]

01:31:12   tights on the account can escape just [TS]

01:31:14   like Superman is gonna have the big [TS]

01:31:16   glowing red cape just gonna happen so I [TS]

01:31:18   like with Batman Chris Nolan to solve [TS]

01:31:21   the problem by creating a heightened [TS]

01:31:23   sense of unreality in the entire movie [TS]

01:31:25   and even so pointed out that rice [TS]

01:31:27   dressing specifically for a fact that [TS]

01:31:29   everything is working as a tactical [TS]

01:31:31   nature to it's not that he's right [TS]

01:31:33   Batman is all about the equipment right [TS]

01:31:35   so it's perfect to do that it's like [TS]

01:31:36   it's part of the equipment Superman i [TS]

01:31:38   think that the only way to make the [TS]

01:31:39   character work is that you really do [TS]

01:31:41   have to set it in a more cartoonish sort [TS]

01:31:44   of environment where that we are not [TS]

01:31:45   married not where you have your Plastic [TS]

01:31:47   Man bouncing every frame even like [TS]

01:31:49   everything is the first movie of this [TS]

01:31:50   but you have to create a different sort [TS]

01:31:52   of reality in which a man dressed in [TS]

01:31:55   Mandarin a big red cape in blue long [TS]

01:31:58   johns and and tight rocky red jockey [TS]

01:32:00   shorts are over it makes sense inside [TS]

01:32:03   that you inside that world which is why [TS]

01:32:05   that movie like Fantastic Four movie [TS]

01:32:06   like Superman I don't know by the insist [TS]

01:32:09   on shooting in live-action where they [TS]

01:32:10   didn't entirely CGI that that's that's [TS]

01:32:13   the way to do is our Fantastic Four [TS]

01:32:15   movie that's not that's that's that's [TS]

01:32:17   you can really really can't do a movie [TS]

01:32:19   like that where four characters with [TS]

01:32:21   such interesting powers integrate into [TS]

01:32:23   their world unless nothing you're seeing [TS]

01:32:25   in any frame is real we were gonna have [TS]

01:32:28   to include new Fantastic Four what year [TS]

01:32:29   2015 yeah yeah well I hate to say it but [TS]

01:32:33   you know some of these deals superhero [TS]

01:32:35   deals they the studios have to keep [TS]

01:32:37   making movies or they give it back [TS]

01:32:38   tomorrow and at this point Marvel and [TS]

01:32:40   Disney are I i'm pretty sure in the [TS]

01:32:42   business of accumulating whatever [TS]

01:32:44   intellectual property they can so we're [TS]

01:32:46   going to keep seeing fantastic four [TS]

01:32:47   movies we're gonna keep seeing x-men [TS]

01:32:48   movies because they don't want to give I [TS]

01:32:51   guess they'll give daredevil back right [TS]

01:32:52   what I did something that was part of [TS]

01:32:55   the spike just be a rumor but I read [TS]

01:32:57   part of a deal that said that with we [TS]

01:32:59   give you daredevil back will you give us [TS]

01:33:01   some extra time to make this movie huh [TS]

01:33:04   that could be that could be because [TS]

01:33:06   Marvel back when it was making its own [TS]

01:33:08   movies split you know splits all [TS]

01:33:10   intellectual property across these many [TS]

01:33:12   studios which is why [TS]

01:33:14   we won't see spider-man integrated into [TS]

01:33:17   the Avengers because they don't the [TS]

01:33:19   Columbia Pictures has and Sony have the [TS]

01:33:21   spider-man rights and Fox has the x-men [TS]

01:33:24   rights and so Marvel and Disney can't do [TS]

01:33:26   those but there is at but there is this [TS]

01:33:28   expiration in the contract which is why [TS]

01:33:30   you know you don't keep making movies if [TS]

01:33:34   they think that there's return on them [TS]

01:33:36   because if they stopped making movies [TS]

01:33:38   than the rights go back at Disney and [TS]

01:33:40   Marvel Marvel they have a what do they [TS]

01:33:41   have sort of a reality Claus there [TS]

01:33:44   because this is the famous story about [TS]

01:33:46   the first Fantastic Four movie that was [TS]

01:33:47   made by roger corman's roger corman's [TS]

01:33:49   truly become a need for a million [TS]

01:33:50   because like if they didn't make of it [TS]

01:33:52   didn't start production by x date [TS]

01:33:53   they're going to lose the rights they [TS]

01:33:55   lose their option for the movie seems [TS]

01:33:56   like basically is paid next to nothing [TS]

01:33:58   but this really awful movie be made [TS]

01:34:00   maybe maybe maybe that's pretty this [TS]

01:34:02   part of like like the black male aspect [TS]

01:34:04   of it saying well you can either give us [TS]

01:34:06   another year to make it to make out the [TS]

01:34:08   spider-man movie or we will go to a [TS]

01:34:11   mexican studio we will hire some [TS]

01:34:13   wrestlers we will make it and release it [TS]

01:34:16   only in many well there is the hand cast [TS]

01:34:19   we will cast a stone National City yeah [TS]

01:34:23   yeah the champion they're saying that [TS]

01:34:25   the deal was trying to get some Galactus [TS]

01:34:27   and silver surfer writes back in [TS]

01:34:28   exchange for a little more time to [TS]

01:34:30   develop daredevil and I'm sure there's [TS]

01:34:32   some horse trading like that but that [TS]

01:34:34   goes on at this point because clearly [TS]

01:34:36   Marvel would love to have all that stuff [TS]

01:34:37   back under now that it's got a Towson [TS]

01:34:39   order which it didn't want it made those [TS]

01:34:41   deals right i mean their work for years [TS]

01:34:42   no Marvel movies and they finally cut [TS]

01:34:44   the deal especially the x-men deal with [TS]

01:34:46   fox and that was like oh my god there's [TS]

01:34:48   gonna be a movie about a marvel comic [TS]

01:34:49   and in the end the spider-man deal with [TS]

01:34:51   columbia and so you know we're left with [TS]

01:34:54   with Marvel's property split up which [TS]

01:34:58   maybe isn't a bad thing because then [TS]

01:34:59   they would try to shoot one all those [TS]

01:35:02   other all these the x-men and spider-man [TS]

01:35:03   into the Avengers arc in and that would [TS]

01:35:07   be kind of insane before their [TS]

01:35:10   adventures Avengers was a good movie [TS]

01:35:12   because it was a combined like for lame [TS]

01:35:14   sequels and two lame origin movies in 21 [TS]

01:35:18   and 1 and so that that can outlast what [TS]

01:35:20   made it so you the Hawkeyes entire [TS]

01:35:23   origin is [TS]

01:35:24   one scene which all wow he's really he's [TS]

01:35:27   a really good marks been done with the [TS]

01:35:28   origin now let's move on to the story [TS]

01:35:30   yeah we get the lane for sequel to get [TS]

01:35:32   the lame Hulk sequel we get the lame [TS]

01:35:33   ironman sequel in it all ends up at all [TS]

01:35:37   ends up to entertainment it's like it's [TS]

01:35:38   like it's like the Whitman sampler [TS]

01:35:39   there's still an orange cream in there [TS]

01:35:42   somewhere but well good luck finding [TS]

01:35:45   anyone we won't realize that until we've [TS]

01:35:47   already been made to it so it's kind of [TS]

01:35:48   ok at so as we say goodbye I can't [TS]

01:35:52   believe that we didn't touch on the most [TS]

01:35:53   integral part of the spider-man mythos [TS]

01:35:56   which is of course his appearance on The [TS]

01:35:58   Electric Company yeah yeah [TS]

01:36:01   in the late seventies which he could it [TS]

01:36:04   wasn't does whatever a spider can it was [TS]

01:36:06   a spot a man nobody knows who you are [TS]

01:36:10   that was it nobody knows who you are [TS]

01:36:11   nobody knows who anybody you know haha [TS]

01:36:14   and he would he would shoot his his web [TS]

01:36:16   webs and it would be drawn on the screen [TS]

01:36:18   right and you'd cut and people would [TS]

01:36:20   have like a big fishing net yeah that's [TS]

01:36:22   right wife isn't that all that we go [TS]

01:36:26   no spider-man and i wounded and spacing [TS]

01:36:28   that he only spoke he only spoken [TS]

01:36:30   bubbles in he didn't actually say [TS]

01:36:32   anything out loud he would think he [TS]

01:36:33   would you adjust your in a big like [TS]

01:36:34   thought bubble would appear above his [TS]

01:36:36   head out the worst of the worst work [TS]

01:36:38   i'll ever and also and also know the [TS]

01:36:41   Japanese the Japanese live-action [TS]

01:36:43   spider-man where he like turns into a [TS]

01:36:45   robot or something is the craziest one [TS]

01:36:47   and Marvel has this on its website i [TS]

01:36:49   think you can actually go with that does [TS]

01:36:51   bring up some of my favorites especially [TS]

01:36:53   moderns favorite spider-man stories the [TS]

01:36:56   electric company that they actually [TS]

01:36:58   licensed medical license for [TS]

01:37:00   commissioned marvel to do a series of [TS]

01:37:02   like water company spider-man comics [TS]

01:37:04   where there might be super super stories [TS]

01:37:06   exactly where else i read all of those [TS]

01:37:08   there was a gate there Freddie Freddie [TS]

01:37:10   dr. do but dr. doom has not kidnapped [TS]

01:37:12   entire town and Poland and turning [TS]

01:37:14   turning his former lover into a living [TS]

01:37:17   suit of armor for his magical powers [TS]

01:37:19   it's like more low-key like you kind of [TS]

01:37:21   kind of your child a child the friendly [TS]

01:37:23   source told he stole a cupcake [TS]

01:37:25   exactly now we have figured that [TS]

01:37:27   Spiderman ever had the Fantastic Four [TS]

01:37:29   has to get the cupcake back [TS]

01:37:30   yeah that's Franklin's cupcake we want [TS]

01:37:32   it back exasperated oh you don't want to [TS]

01:37:34   make Franklin angry because you can wish [TS]

01:37:36   you have the cornfield real quick [TS]

01:37:37   yeah it's aight i'll good anytime that I [TS]

01:37:42   don't like what's happening the Avengers [TS]

01:37:44   but I don't like what's happening and in [TS]

01:37:46   spider-man i love the fact that Marvel [TS]

01:37:49   does have these all ages comics because [TS]

01:37:50   i think that the people guys and then [TS]

01:37:53   the people who write those comics they [TS]

01:37:55   are not writing stupid dumb down stories [TS]

01:37:57   they're writing stories that are more [TS]

01:37:58   clamor for true to like the 1967 1968 [TS]

01:38:02   right superheroes wear interesting [TS]

01:38:05   characters will do a story that's that [TS]

01:38:07   can be finished in one issue we will let [TS]

01:38:10   don't necessarily have to reinvent [TS]

01:38:12   what's going on we don't do anything for [TS]

01:38:14   shocker dramatically promotional value [TS]

01:38:15   and because these are individual issues [TS]

01:38:18   that can be read out of order [TS]

01:38:20   we can have to make sure these [TS]

01:38:21   characters are consistent from issue to [TS]

01:38:23   issue to issue so um they have Marvel [TS]

01:38:26   Avengers spider-man which is marvel also [TS]

01:38:28   is it does a line of digest which are [TS]

01:38:30   our kind of like manga style there on [TS]

01:38:31   newsprint but they're digest paperbacks [TS]

01:38:33   and i bought a bunch of those for my [TS]

01:38:35   kids and those are really good and the [TS]

01:38:38   end and i'll also put in a plug for [TS]

01:38:40   spider-girl which was time to Falcone [TS]

01:38:43   Ron friends which is also a series of [TS]

01:38:44   stand-alone issues all ages [TS]

01:38:47   it's it's peter parker's daughter the [TS]

01:38:50   one that I said before that they kind of [TS]

01:38:51   pretend doesn't exist in this is set in [TS]

01:38:53   the future and peers retired and right [TS]

01:38:54   she is spider-girl and has his powers [TS]

01:38:57   and those are great to my daughter [TS]

01:38:59   really loves those and and it's nice to [TS]

01:39:01   get that that's it that's a character it [TS]

01:39:03   doesn't have to all its darkest recesses [TS]

01:39:05   just is an alternative i can say that [TS]

01:39:07   yeah i'm not i'm not saying the [TS]

01:39:08   fantastic for the past 3-4 years has [TS]

01:39:10   been bad i'm not saying the Avengers the [TS]

01:39:12   past 34 years has been bad you just be [TS]

01:39:14   just each individually have our own [TS]

01:39:16   tastes as to what we hope to get out of [TS]

01:39:18   out of a familiar with familiar team [TS]

01:39:20   book so i can with that said I've the [TS]

01:39:23   moral adventures version of fantastic [TS]

01:39:25   for the marvel adventures version of The [TS]

01:39:27   Avengers I've enjoyed those books a lot [TS]

01:39:29   more than their mainstream yeah versions [TS]

01:39:31   yeah Marvel Avengers spider-man yeah i [TS]

01:39:33   recommend it's great that they do that [TS]

01:39:34   that line 24 for younger readers of I i [TS]

01:39:37   occasionally I see somebody asked you [TS]

01:39:39   know how do I introduce my kids comic [TS]

01:39:41   standing Dan youyou get that sometimes [TS]

01:39:43   too and and there are some there's some [TS]

01:39:45   good ones out there that are Merlin Mann [TS]

01:39:47   was asking that about about introducing [TS]

01:39:49   his daughter spider-man [TS]

01:39:50   I I said marvel adventures going [TS]

01:39:52   spider-girl is really good and ultimate [TS]

01:39:53   spider-man it you gotta be a little bit [TS]

01:39:56   older but I think ultimate spider-man is [TS]

01:39:57   a great sort of like tween preteen level [TS]

01:40:01   story because it starts from the [TS]

01:40:02   beginning and there's a lot of high [TS]

01:40:03   school angst and it's good i like that [TS]

01:40:05   so when i was there is there is this one [TS]

01:40:08   line i'll just add to that [TS]

01:40:09   that's my kid loves like spider-man and [TS]

01:40:13   Batman and they make these books that [TS]

01:40:15   are you know for kids [TS]

01:40:17   I and they're you know they're they're [TS]

01:40:20   not quite comic books but there i'll put [TS]

01:40:23   some of these into the show notes for [TS]

01:40:25   you but they they're they're more like [TS]

01:40:27   little books that your kid can read that [TS]

01:40:29   are simple but they still represent the [TS]

01:40:32   cakes and for the thing with the vulture [TS]

01:40:34   again that the jumping spider but if [TS]

01:40:36   they're pretty otherwise they're pretty [TS]

01:40:37   good and you can get the Batman once you [TS]

01:40:40   get all the different here once and i [TS]

01:40:41   think the public spider-man spider-sense [TS]

01:40:43   been well fine and all right track them [TS]

01:40:45   into the shoals [TS]

01:40:46   that's great alright this has been great [TS]

01:40:48   I feel like we've covered a lot a lot of [TS]

01:40:50   ground and we've will we laughed we [TS]

01:40:53   cried we've learned and and I've my [TS]

01:40:57   appreciation spider-man has actually [TS]

01:40:58   grown several sizes today so I'd like to [TS]

01:41:02   thank my guests for joining in the [TS]

01:41:04   celebration of the that that [TS]

01:41:06   wall-crawling Menace teenagers at the [TS]

01:41:09   apt and Benjamin thanks so much for [TS]

01:41:11   being back on the show is great we [TS]

01:41:12   should do this again sometime [TS]

01:41:13   anytime you name the day right Thursday [TS]

01:41:16   now but with Thursday that's the [TS]

01:41:19   question [TS]

01:41:20   as an eco thanks again for being here [TS]

01:41:22   always a sly station [TS]

01:41:24   yeah it's been great having you both and [TS]

01:41:27   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:41:28   listening to be uncomfortable on Jason [TS]

01:41:29   snow until next time thanks for [TS]

01:41:31   listening [TS]