0:00:00Jason's gonna be liberal with the
0:00:04editing I just I either I'm it's gonna
0:00:06be like to die hard episode I'm just
0:00:08gonna put a disclaimer on the front that
0:00:09says don't listen to this it's episode
0:00:11in this episode is five minutes alone
0:00:13we're horrible horrible people happy
0:00:15happy holidays everybody
0:00:17the incomparable over 180 December 2012
0:00:30ho ho
0:00:32welcome back everybody it's the holidays
0:00:34and this is the uncomfortable podcast
0:00:36I'm your host Jason snow and we are
0:00:39going to revive I guess it only comes to
0:00:42tradition once you do it more than once
0:00:44so this is it we are going to talk about
0:00:46our favorite holiday movies again last
0:00:50year we did an episode called the
0:00:51holiday movie vault where we each placed
0:00:54an item a TV show or movie in the
0:00:57holiday vault 22 treasure for always for
0:01:01all time and we're going to do it again
0:01:03we're going to add some more things the
0:01:05vault is large enough to fit more movies
0:01:07and TV shows than we have in it now
0:01:09there's plenty of room in the vault so
0:01:11we're going to throw some more stuff in
0:01:12the vault
0:01:13joining me to add items to the vault are
0:01:16Glenn fleischmann hi Glenn
0:01:18hello there and ho ho from this Jewish
0:01:21boy
0:01:22hoho hello hello oh and also joining us
0:01:26and Enoch oh hello Andy
0:01:29Merry Christmas Jason have you been a
0:01:31good host this year a fair-to-middling
0:01:35oh ok well you i'll give you the the
0:01:39i'll give you the logitech USB
0:01:41microphone instead of the height 240 see
0:01:43that I give it the good posts
0:01:45wow this podcast brought to you by
0:01:47logitech it's like a lump of coal in
0:01:49your stocking
0:01:49also here is the fine and why is Steve
0:01:53let's hi Steve
0:01:54Wow bay as aplin already
0:02:00and if you identify the movie that comes
0:02:02from you win a free non-existence the
0:02:04comparable teacher yeah that's right i
0:02:05always tell me if you will win the
0:02:07Seventh Seal you guessed it Berkman knew
0:02:11had knew his way around some dialogue
0:02:12and tell you i was i was gonna say
0:02:14eraserhead I'm so glad it's a class
0:02:16whatever feeling foolish right now
0:02:18also joining me Dan Morgan I dan hi
0:02:21Jason I anything clever to smoke
0:02:23okay fair enough and very happy to have
0:02:27Lisa Schwyzer with us to hi Lisa
0:02:29happy winter solstice everyone here Mary
0:02:32pagan festival of darkness all good
0:02:36you're good you'll agree that they're
0:02:39all you nod critical thinkers how I pity
0:02:42and hate you
0:02:45critically of cards throwing a richard
0:02:48dawkins special in the holiday movie
0:02:49Pulp it's terrible little present
0:02:51everything that's in there it's a core
0:02:53Sagan Christmas billions and billions of
0:02:57Christmas specials
0:02:59well that's true and that's just
0:03:00rankin/bass oh so I i want to recap
0:03:04before we do our inductees for the year
0:03:062012 into our holiday movie vault which
0:03:08ice should say i called the holiday
0:03:10movie vault and see let's pointed out
0:03:12that uh I said movies or TV and so when
0:03:15we induct the TV show last year that
0:03:17that was one of these choices that was
0:03:19not cheating
0:03:20it was perfectly valid and it's my fault
0:03:22for calling it the whole holiday movie
0:03:24volt includes television that's just how
0:03:27it is it's called the holiday movie
0:03:28vault includes television that's how we
0:03:30roll
0:03:31I'm going to recap the movies that are
0:03:32already in the vault first off we have
0:03:34an honorary inductee because at
0:03:37Christmas in 2010 we did a whole episode
0:03:40about die hard and what a great holiday
0:03:43movie diehard was so I'm gonna put that
0:03:46I'm gonna mark that down as being dan
0:03:48moore and selection from year zero of
0:03:51the holiday movie fault and input
0:03:53diehard in the vault last year's choices
0:03:56Glenn inducted elf the will ferrell
0:04:00comedy about a else that looks like will
0:04:03ferrell he's very tall and james caan is
0:04:06very angry
0:04:06it's the wrath of khan which we I think
0:04:09did a whole episode about uh damn freaks
0:04:12abducted when harry met sally which is
0:04:13originally sent around christmas and new
0:04:15years and I thought that was a great
0:04:16choice and Aiko inducted groundhog day
0:04:19because Groundhog Day is also a holiday
0:04:21and also a great movie serenity Caldwell
0:04:26had it's a wonderful life Steve let's
0:04:28when the TV route with Charlie Brown
0:04:30Christmas excellent choice and I brought
0:04:33in Miracle on thirty-fourth street so
0:04:36you can you can learn all about the
0:04:39holiday movie evolved last year that's
0:04:41incomparable number 71 71 look it up
0:04:44people and and that brings us to today
0:04:47where we have new selections for the
0:04:50holiday movie evolved and I'm wondering
0:04:51who would like to go first and tell us
0:04:55what thing that they love that they want
0:04:57to permanently Preserve in are very
0:04:59high-quality fault that we ordered on
0:05:01the Internet is this like do this by the
0:05:02same people who made the disney vault or
0:05:05we could not afford that
0:05:07unfortunately the pole vault actually so
0:05:09it's really not really awkward it's the
0:05:11people maybe the Keitel gold records
0:05:14solid gold vaults interesting I sure
0:05:17i'll go first I was shocked shocked i
0:05:20tell you to find that nobody last year
0:05:22picked the seminal 1983 classic a
0:05:26christmas story which you've seen
0:05:29because he runs for 24 hours during xmas
0:05:32on TBS yes it does mr. ossible for you
0:05:35not to have seen it
0:05:36oh I love watching it like two in the
0:05:38morning it's great it's really a ball
0:05:40with the best part about it is that you
0:05:41can start watching at some point and
0:05:42then yes and you can go to bed then you
0:05:44can get a meeting gets the resin dip in
0:05:45and out and you know you come up as we
0:05:48know the most ridiculous thing we bought
0:05:50a DVD of it when you're have no idea
0:05:52what we can see that is correct that is
0:05:53just ridiculous ruins the experience
0:05:55that's not what was that about
0:05:57so it perfectly supports that sort of
0:05:59dipping in and out right because it's
0:06:00kind of well it is an overarching has an
0:06:03overarching plot there are like sort of
0:06:05these little scenes that serve as
0:06:06vignettes so it really does a good job
0:06:09of letting you sort of drop in and pick
0:06:11up just you know a thread and then you
0:06:13could just let it go and then come back
0:06:15later and watch another thread and it's
0:06:18it's it's just a lovely movie iight shot
0:06:21is what you're saying
0:06:22exactly i remember it i remember it's
0:06:24scaring me a little bit when I was a kid
0:06:26because the Santa seen the Santa scene
0:06:28where he kicks and down the slide was
0:06:30like oh very nice and also the shooting
0:06:36your eye out was very traumatic for me
0:06:37oh yeah sure I with that thing i had a
0:06:39BB gun and I had that same fear was like
0:06:41we want to get him
0:06:42it's dangerous and I got my co-host
0:06:44interest i hope i don't misuse it and
0:06:45accidentally somehow shoot and I out of
0:06:48mine or someone else's I here's the deal
0:06:51ken jennings considers jeopardy winner
0:06:53and gentlemen commence collecting his
0:06:55new book out about childhood myths
0:06:57things our parents told us that were
0:06:58wrong and just came out a couple days
0:06:59ago and one of them is about your I
0:07:01would be begun it is in fact true most
0:07:03mrs. book he disapproves but in fact
0:07:05there are enormous number of merchants
0:07:08your room visits of people having shot
0:07:10there I with their guns and BB gun while
0:07:12your eyes are pretty sensitive so it's
0:07:14not really a surprise we talk about the
0:07:15air those airs those intense airsoft
0:07:17rifles are we talking about like a
0:07:19little like one of the ones that you can
0:07:20pump up and maybe guns i think I'm packs
0:07:23of Indian rifles are these guns can
0:07:24produce like a crazy amount of psi so it
0:07:27is an actual worry and that was this
0:07:29week's installment of blending with
0:07:31Jennings
0:07:32they can work your plan works you and
0:07:34Jeffery 100 I've erased all memory of
0:07:37that experience
0:07:38me too oh yeah yeah yeahs a couple
0:07:41things I really love about this movie
0:07:42one I really love the the little brother
0:07:45Randy whose I think my favorite
0:07:46character in the meantime people fight
0:07:48because the Santa got this movie with me
0:07:50when he's under the sink
0:07:52no that was one of the better one for me
0:07:54as always okay why are your arms down
0:07:59when you get to school but also daddy's
0:08:02gonna kill Ralphie which is that is that
0:08:06is a around my family my extended family
0:08:08that that quote comes up fairly often or
0:08:10around around Christmastime can we get
0:08:12some praise for darren mcgavin they're
0:08:14always and you are a man what a great i
0:08:17mean he's a great actor and
0:08:18underappreciated but this it's so
0:08:20actually great and he passed away a few
0:08:22years ago
0:08:23it's so great that as delivery that he
0:08:27isn't the kind of thing guy deserved to
0:08:29be in a in a classic I don't in a
0:08:31timeless classic and this is it the
0:08:32boxes from juillet must be Italian
0:08:36the duck is smiling at us but this is
0:08:41dog its tether little mexican smooth up
0:08:44the mechana seen that always comes back
0:08:46to me is of course the changing the tire
0:08:49on our shop
0:08:50oh I the only he doesn't say yeah my
0:08:55cabin is great and easy particularly
0:08:57great in this because the I think for me
0:08:59the best thing about this film is that
0:09:01is the relationship between Ralphie and
0:09:03dad made a most at least american males
0:09:07I it and certainly myself you know dad
0:09:10is basically this sort of vague presents
0:09:12that that appears after work in the
0:09:15evenings and seems to exist solely to
0:09:17scallops you and tell you you're doing
0:09:18things wrong and it's me and it's just
0:09:21it's absolutely beautiful where you know
0:09:24he's he's asking for the gun from every
0:09:26single entity he can he can consider and
0:09:30you never even thinks of the dad and in
0:09:32the end it's a daddy was aware enough of
0:09:34his son's needs and wants to be the one
0:09:36that sneaks the gun into the house I
0:09:38think that's just great it's so it's a
0:09:40it's it just encapsulated the whole
0:09:43father-son relationship thing to a tee
0:09:46and it does a good job making
0:09:47three-dimensional to write like you know
0:09:49like you're saying there it's just he's
0:09:50he's a natural character there and I
0:09:52don't know I mean I assume like many of
0:09:54you probably that there is an element of
0:09:56that reminds me of my own relationship
0:09:58with my father so i came to this movie
0:10:00really late I this movie was already a
0:10:01classic and I hadn't seen it until like
0:10:03five years ago or something and I you
0:10:05had that moment where you're thinking
0:10:06well it's really on and it is it's great
0:10:08it feels like it's a document that fell
0:10:10out of a you know a time warp from like
0:10:1350 years ago because of the setting and
0:10:15all of that and it it and as a result is
0:10:18so timeless and it's great and and the
0:10:20fact is yeah it has so many of those
0:10:22vignettes in it that it it's in some
0:10:24ways it whoever thought to run it 24
0:10:26hours a day over christmas on TBS is a
0:10:30genius because you really can kind of
0:10:32chop it up in a blender and it doesn't
0:10:34matter it's just kind of charming and
0:10:36fun and nice to see it and I use
0:10:38sometimes i use the word charming a lot
0:10:40to describe the certain kinds of movies
0:10:42and TV shows but i really believe
0:10:44there's something to be said for for
0:10:45that kind of quality of like it just
0:10:47makes me feel good to watch it and it
0:10:49fits nice and it's enjoyable and it's
0:10:51nostalgic in a way and it's just it's
0:10:53got all those all those pieces to it
0:10:55it's got its got a great get tie into
0:10:57that I that I discovered recently which
0:10:59I hadn't thought about which is that the
0:11:02the character of scut Farkus the bully
0:11:05who beat Amon did not realize the
0:11:07recently that he appears in those two
0:11:09sort of flashforward episodes of
0:11:11dollhouse the ones with felicia day he
0:11:14is he's like this because he's this tall
0:11:16redheaded kid and like for some reason
0:11:18when especially when I was growing up
0:11:19because this movie is set
0:11:21it's from the eighties but it is set
0:11:23much earlier I always sort of assumed
0:11:26because it's done so well as a movie of
0:11:28that time I was assumed it was from that
0:11:30era and so when I realized that no this
0:11:33is from the eighties and thus the actors
0:11:35you know who are now in their thirties
0:11:37or forties you know like if it started
0:11:39really strange to see them on TV shows
0:11:41that are modern and like his second
0:11:44house that guy only like 30 now it
0:11:46doesn't make any sense that was the only
0:11:48thing that caused me to disconnect that
0:11:50movie because the mom has this 1980 Cape
0:11:52Kate Capshaw style hair that says they
0:11:55didn't wear hair like that in the
0:11:57forties did they and the dad is Aggies
0:12:00perfectly cast but he's kind of old to
0:12:03have such a young son may be the age
0:12:06difference always intrigued me because
0:12:07she's so much older than his wife and
0:12:10the only way I can explain it as maybe
0:12:12he spent the thirties thinking he'll
0:12:14never have a family there with
0:12:16depression was on you couldn't start a
0:12:17family then it's just because he's an
0:12:19Oldsmobile man it ages you have a vague
0:12:23some historical explanation for these
0:12:25were the days when like you know people
0:12:28used to die in childbirth like we're
0:12:29very very high rates you have to marry a
0:12:31lot of different women just to ensure
0:12:33that one of the would survive to raise
0:12:34the children the 1950s 47-43 this is way
0:12:38more thought than I'd ever given to this
0:12:40but you know you know for you you do
0:12:42know physicians were washing their hands
0:12:44by that point right i mean childbed
0:12:45fever was installed a thing in charlotte
0:12:47was urging shouts idea the on temporary
0:12:50gene Shepard of resin traffic right
0:12:52Urlacher e-book I like you imagine gene
0:12:54Shalit Christmas still that's a very
0:12:58different movie
0:12:59yes year you're going to have a halt
0:13:01holiday thanks to the Christmas story
0:13:03that there's my house i'm wearing that
0:13:05crazy kid pop otay Shepherd served in
0:13:08Korea didn't he was in those World War
0:13:10two
0:13:11he was in a single course so in fact
0:13:13these stories he's telling them in the
0:13:15sixties movie was made the eighties but
0:13:17he was really talking about the thirties
0:13:19originally I don't know the movies
0:13:20center of an indeterminate time that
0:13:22seems like it might be the fifties but
0:13:24these are about this really the thirties
0:13:25he was born in 21
0:13:26so he's nostalgic for someone else's
0:13:28childhood well now i have to recalibrate
0:13:30I'm thinking that the old man is
0:13:31shell-shocked from his trench warfare
0:13:32were one that's that's my new historical
0:13:34one of the trench foot and pick your
0:13:38poison hero palms next steak frites ass
0:13:40and they just weren't appreciated and
0:13:42now he isn't it suspicious that he
0:13:44didn't actually know Italian then I mean
0:13:46think about you clearly he appears to
0:13:48have been I've nothing I got nothing i
0:13:51just running out the next and you drop
0:13:53you drop that that that kid was on
0:13:55fringe but i think last year now a
0:13:57dollhouse for dollhouse right but last
0:13:59year we we dealt with the fact that
0:14:02Peter Billingsley is in elf
0:14:04yes yes and Marilyn line apparently an
0:14:07iron man two original original iron man
0:14:10really yeah and scott schwartz who plays
0:14:13flick went on to do some some you just
0:14:16sell my work as well and work apparently
0:14:17I'm not necessarily genre-specific the
0:14:21kind of enjoyed by geeks billingsley is
0:14:23friends with I think jon favreau the
0:14:25manager I think they do the co-producer
0:14:28hunter right ya know anything more to
0:14:29say about a christmas story please
0:14:32it's a good movie like fantastic limited
0:14:36by like the wind she devised I don't
0:14:38know how else to like the Tin Man next
0:14:46alright so so a christmas story and more
0:14:49in in in the holiday movie halt forever
0:14:53flying and must be discovered that it
0:14:55did steroids and then we might take it
0:14:57out later but otherwise it's in forever
0:14:59whoo-hoo would like to choose next I
0:15:02would like to choose next I stand step
0:15:04for starting value to the bolts & lock
0:15:07me in
0:15:08yes so my film the volunteer condition
0:15:10to go ahead there's no air bizarre
0:15:12condition holiday in a 1942 American
0:15:15musical which is a terrific film it's
0:15:18got being cross be in it it's got Fred
0:15:21Astaire it's musics by Irving Berlin
0:15:23it's like the Christmas see is the
0:15:26American musical easiest thing you could
0:15:28possibly imagine and also is not just
0:15:31about Christmas it's about all kinds of
0:15:33holidays being called holiday and so
0:15:36that the conceit is that being Crosby
0:15:38he's tired of the big city life up there
0:15:40in Manhattan he wants to move out to the
0:15:42country like Greenwich Connecticut or
0:15:44somewhere where it's still country and
0:15:45everything's quiet small in those days
0:15:48and so he wants to start farm and farm
0:15:50doesn't do so well so he decides that
0:15:52he'll take his acting and singing talent
0:15:54and production production town and
0:15:56having left first airing a club in the
0:15:57big city and having lost his girlfriend
0:16:00stare he sets up shop with the idea that
0:16:02he'll run and in just on holidays like
0:16:05Christmas and groundhogs day maybe I
0:16:08don't know
0:16:09well that's it that's a business model
0:16:11that can't fail you can feel that's what
0:16:12spawned a successful the successful
0:16:16hotel chain named after la quinta right
0:16:18and no way that that wrong
0:16:20sorry it's just concerning though that
0:16:22now holiday and has an entirely
0:16:24different meaning than what it actually
0:16:25meant when the movie was made it was
0:16:27confusing the first time I saw the movie
0:16:28I thought something was wrong that hotel
0:16:30that hotel you so only be open on
0:16:32holidays too and they decided you know
0:16:33what we're paying all the staff just to
0:16:36sleep in the bed for 29 days on the
0:16:37month
0:16:38it's a pretty thing well you know that
0:16:40long gap in April and May so the movies
0:16:43full of fantastic music they the one
0:16:46that's best known for of course is white
0:16:48Christmas and there's this tremendously
0:16:50wonderful surreal bit at the end where
0:16:52the front of stair character whose name
0:16:55is Ted Hanover if you created Jim Hardy
0:16:58and Ted Hanover convinces Hollywood to
0:17:02make a movie about holiday inn in the
0:17:05movie holiday inn and so they cut and
0:17:07show you a set at some point and the set
0:17:10is the set we've been watching the
0:17:11entire movie and then they pull back and
0:17:13you see that its asset but they're
0:17:15showing you a set as asset because
0:17:17they're filming it with all the cameras
0:17:19in it as if they were filming the set it
0:17:21is a little surreal for a movie made in
0:17:221942 I liked that bit too but full of
0:17:25great music and we try to watch it every
0:17:27year it's one of the film's in my house
0:17:29set out my wife and I try to bring up
0:17:31your cousin music and it's just a silly
0:17:32plot and that's got you know great
0:17:35singing dancing that kind of thing in it
0:17:38also racism right also raised oh no wait
0:17:41should we just brushed under the carpet
0:17:42snow likely also races absolutely what
0:17:46did anything so it's got a senior so the
0:17:48American tradition religion to be fair
0:17:50christmas story also has its a brief
0:17:52races scene 2 so what's the regular
0:17:54racism I think about the Chinese
0:17:56restaurant is already
0:17:57which is it possible bad because it is
0:18:00so hilarious but at the same time yes
0:18:02terribly rich with so this basically
0:18:04you're saying that this is the racist
0:18:05wing of the holiday movie ball basically
0:18:07saying that Christmas is racist and
0:18:09having been white and Christmas hello
0:18:11lump of coal I mean come on
0:18:14having been in chinese restaurants as a
0:18:16Jew before I married someone who's not
0:18:18Jewish on Christmas day I will say that
0:18:20the you know the Christmas story scene
0:18:22is relatively accurate in many regards
0:18:24so the so the in holiday am that issue
0:18:27is of course lincoln's birthday where
0:18:29the performers apply black face and sing
0:18:31a song called Abraham and it's a little
0:18:35terrifying another the terminally
0:18:36classics from what I was just looking
0:18:38this up to make sure that's right they
0:18:40refused to edit movies they want to show
0:18:41them on edited so they in fact will show
0:18:44the film with this extra tray classic
0:18:47movies and AMC will show the movie with
0:18:51the Abraham seen it and it's usually cut
0:18:54and the first time I saw I'd seen Holly
0:18:56and for years and years and i'm watching
0:18:58I'm like I don't remember them doing
0:18:59abraham lincoln's birthday
0:19:00I don't remember being Crosby putting on
0:19:03blackface old no no
0:19:08and the thing about that scene is like
0:19:10its it opens up with Bing Crosby singing
0:19:12in French first of all being Crosby
0:19:14singing anything that it you know you've
0:19:17screwed up when you do anything that
0:19:19overshadows Bing Crosby singing one of
0:19:21the best vocalist in the 20th century
0:19:23and so it's bad enough because he's he's
0:19:27in this uncle remus costume and it's bad
0:19:29and you're you're like oh my god what a
0:19:32different error this was this is
0:19:33horrifying this is horrible and they
0:19:35started gets the end of the song realize
0:19:37okay they're going to move on to the
0:19:39next holiday is and then the female lead
0:19:41comes onstage in out four hundred times
0:19:45worse most great more racist stereotype
0:19:48like all this it's like it's like a real
0:19:51springtime for Hitler moment for your
0:19:53job is you just know and your job is
0:19:55like on your chest because the phrase
0:19:57like I'm not saying they're not
0:19:59yeah like some part of you is going to
0:20:02look at least get that keyboard
0:20:03background your head saying okay totally
0:20:05different time racism was far far far
0:20:07far different than that was now and then
0:20:09you're like I had no idea how did this
0:20:11get released and people not just like
0:20:14breaking excuse a little bit then you're
0:20:15like okay not that much nobody know but
0:20:18i think the business there's a thing of
0:20:19the time which is that minstrel ism had
0:20:21a long history wasn't purse a racist as
0:20:24a point where developed into that we can
0:20:26have a whole discussion about that black
0:20:28people actually dressed up as minstrels
0:20:30and performed is it's a very often but
0:20:33the weird part to me is not just that
0:20:35but then while these people are singing
0:20:36black face behind them are the black
0:20:39servants in the house including Louise
0:20:42Ellen beavers I look up her name here
0:20:44was plays mammy and like every movie
0:20:46during her lifetime and including this
0:20:48one and her kids are singing along and
0:20:51of course they're black they're not a
0:20:52black face their black with these white
0:20:54people in blackface singing and it's not
0:20:56set up to be funny it's an absolutely
0:20:58serious moment so if you take it for
0:21:01what it is it's actually fine it's just
0:21:04terrifying insight into what was
0:21:06acceptable portrayal wasn't it wasn't a
0:21:09parody or Lampoon but anyway it is just
0:21:12an odd moment movie but you know where
0:21:15we're not confronted with having to see
0:21:16it it actually turns out that all your
0:21:18favorite movies have black faces that
0:21:20have been cut another our shows busters
0:21:22these diehard the die-hard black facing
0:21:25the top that's really true actually you
0:21:27know the worst one is in 2001 a Space
0:21:29Odyssey that is the most offensive
0:21:31blackface scene i have ever ever seen
0:21:34but you got to get the bootleg David
0:21:36really overdoing it
0:21:39yeah yeah it's really it's really
0:21:41horrible you know it's funny what I
0:21:43think I think we may have touched on
0:21:45this briefly in previous podcast but it
0:21:47is fascinating not to get off of holiday
0:21:50movies into crippling racism and culture
0:21:53that's what every podcast involves and
0:21:55the one that always gets me it again not
0:21:58a I'm not holiday-themed per se but
0:22:01actually a tradition that that I i got
0:22:05from from Lisa's husband
0:22:07Oh ducts which is which is a which is
0:22:09the Marx Brothers & duck soup every yes
0:22:123 New Year's Eve we want we watch duck
0:22:13soup and the marketplace duck soup and
0:22:16there is there's actually a number in
0:22:17there that does have a lot of a slightly
0:22:19horrific black facing right in the
0:22:21middle of it with with all four marks
0:22:23reference yes and they're there are
0:22:24several other Marx Brothers movies with
0:22:26similar either lines or or in fact in
0:22:30one movie a whole production number data
0:22:32races that and and that one blows me
0:22:34away because it's like guys you're
0:22:36Jewish you yourself are an oppressed
0:22:38group do you not see what you're doing
0:22:40here but it again it's just something I
0:22:42watched all those movies as a kid and I
0:22:44have no recollection of this i feel like
0:22:46my parents were that's kind of parents
0:22:47would like sit me down and had a talk
0:22:49about it but apparently justice i'm
0:22:51almost i'm almost tempted to change my
0:22:53vote to duck soup and duck soup has
0:22:55nothing to do with the holidays and all
0:22:56but it's a wonderful holiday tradition
0:22:58and it's a it is such an absurd movie to
0:23:00there's ever a little things i like
0:23:01about it's a great hungry New Year's Eve
0:23:03thing and it's short I was my favorite
0:23:04Marx Brothers movie grown ups
0:23:06yeah that's where I got one of my
0:23:07twitter icons because for one of my
0:23:08Twitter streams i have Margaret Dumont
0:23:09is my car Oh from that movie with you
0:23:13have been spalding my house but no one's
0:23:20gonna answer the whole Lake that the
0:23:22market marshmallows yes other than the
0:23:24hundred and the occasional bits of of
0:23:26quite disturbing racism lovely lovely
0:23:29sunday and holiday and so I guess we
0:23:31have to indulge holiday in glitter we
0:23:33inducting it without mr. lincoln's
0:23:35birthday I don't important historical
0:23:37record I think we'll be able to see if
0:23:39you rent it i don't know what the DVD is
0:23:41like and if you rent it rented out if
0:23:43you can read it if you watch it on
0:23:44television get the DVD it's you know
0:23:47it's part of the history of
0:23:49entertainment what people watch the time
0:23:50what our grandparents watched was first
0:23:52out so i think we induct it without the
0:23:55scene with the important recollection
0:23:57that movie was made with this seemed
0:23:59alright fair enough
0:24:00as the inductor you get to decide how we
0:24:03how we view this movie for all time so
0:24:05thank you but one last night I'm holiday
0:24:07inn which I've which I found fascinating
0:24:09they actually took the exact same sets
0:24:12years later when they made white
0:24:15christmas and the holiday the the
0:24:17holiday inn like club is the exact same
0:24:20set they use for the generals lot of the
0:24:23ski lodge in white Christmas
0:24:25so if it's the they turned it around a
0:24:28little bit but it is exactly stick for
0:24:30stick to the same one and you can tell
0:24:32because in holiday in white christmas
0:24:35which is a Technicolor movie they didn't
0:24:37even bother to paint this
0:24:39black-and-white set it is it looks like
0:24:42a black-and-white movie with like the
0:24:43only one that's been colorized with like
0:24:45human skin tones in it i should also
0:24:47point out that that indian taco has his
0:24:49own equivalent of a holiday movie vault
0:24:51and it's a it's down in his basement and
0:24:54that's where white christmas has been
0:24:55locked up and he doesn't feed especially
0:24:57if it's changed out of it puts the
0:25:00lotion on its skin and never ever gets
0:25:03aired again no it's it's the same as the
0:25:06same vault that like they used to put
0:25:08the Hulk in like the first issues the
0:25:09comic to prevent it from getting out and
0:25:11wreaking havoc upon innocent people is
0:25:13the same philanthropy with which I
0:25:15protect people from white Christmas
0:25:17thank you we appreciate it do you
0:25:19spoilers spoilers are you gonna ruin
0:25:21somebody's a beloved holiday movie again
0:25:23this year I i actually have had many
0:25:27requests to lie creature like repeat
0:25:29that episode I am actually in the early
0:25:32stages of preparing what a twitter
0:25:34follower pre professionally described as
0:25:38the detractors commentary of white
0:25:41Christmas I'm going to do my own like
0:25:42rifftrax that's not joking it just
0:25:44simply go shot-by-shot beautiful hissing
0:25:46okay now here's here's the part where I
0:25:49think you could kind of see you kinda
0:25:51see Bing Crosby's but underneath those
0:25:53tighty-whities because the director just
0:25:55didn't care i was framing it didn't even
0:25:57give him a new pair of Underpants I
0:25:59wouldn't say so much
0:26:00there it is everybody look forward to
0:26:02that will be everybody understands
0:26:04remember for next year preview of any
0:26:06not goes next
0:26:07the strategy it's gonna be a big project
0:26:09it's gonna be good let's go from the
0:26:11from horrible racist scenes and hot 11
0:26:14holiday movies to Steve lots of natural
0:26:18transition i don't know how i feel about
0:26:20that
0:26:21what are you gonna do Steve well well
0:26:24actually it might turn out to be a
0:26:25better segue than you think but only
0:26:27very tenuously oh boy ok so we look I
0:26:30haven't already
0:26:32no no Skeletor ball
0:26:34I mentioned at the end of last year's
0:26:36holiday vault that that I was bitter
0:26:38that a christmas story had mentioned and
0:26:40I really wanted to induct that this year
0:26:42but then I caught wind that Dan might
0:26:45want to choose it so in the spirit of
0:26:47Christmas i decided to let him have all
0:26:49because i'm a giver
0:26:51but I did pick another film from the
0:26:55great Bob Clark who is for modern fee
0:26:59it has been marked with peaks and
0:27:00valleys but i believe the peaks are very
0:27:02high indeed i'm talking about like a
0:27:04christmas story he did Porky's baby
0:27:08geniuses to electric babylou i think was
0:27:12his one of those Peaks is the film i've
0:27:15chosen for this year's holiday movie
0:27:17evolved and that is 1974 black christmas
0:27:20you are going to get international
0:27:22production starting it is it is a
0:27:27delightful tale of a sorority house at
0:27:30Christmas break and the psychotic killer
0:27:32living in the Attic who periodically
0:27:34emerges to kill the ones that didn't go
0:27:36home for the holidays was the call
0:27:38coming from inside the house this is
0:27:39great this is great is is the killer see
0:27:42so he stood the killer starts to kill
0:27:44the girls in the sorority house why
0:27:46don't the rest of them leave saying
0:27:48there is a killer there was a horrible
0:27:50kit murder here or if there's a good
0:27:52reason that Jason don't know it'sit's
0:27:53actually brilliant the because it is
0:27:56Christmas break and the girls are you
0:27:57know periodically leaving the sorority
0:27:59house to go home for the holidays or go
0:28:02skiing and naturally just before most of
0:28:05them get dispatched they say something
0:28:06along the lines of I might not be here
0:28:08when you get back because my dad's
0:28:09coming to pick me up and then lo and
0:28:11behold when the person gets back that
0:28:12that person is our molecules but is in
0:28:14fact there because the killer is keeping
0:28:16his his his trophies in the Attic
0:28:19oh just like John McCain no one ever
0:28:21notices the smell or nothing really
0:28:24apparently not
0:28:24apparently not although i excuse you
0:28:26have up there it's you do get perfect
0:28:29and it's apparently soundproof as well
0:28:32because this guy does as Glenn mentioned
0:28:34make quite a few phone calls to the to
0:28:37the residents of the sorority house
0:28:39really it's really awkward but it's on a
0:28:41party-line to write get off the phone
0:28:44kill your mom come on the phone but no
0:28:46this is
0:28:46this is easily the best of the Christmas
0:28:48based horror movies and I think one of
0:28:50the best horror movies at the seventies
0:28:52period i hesitate to call it a slasher
0:28:54film because i think it is higher
0:28:56quality than most of those but pretty
0:28:58much every slasher that came afterwards
0:29:00crib from it in that black christmas i
0:29:02think introduce the sorority house
0:29:04setting the camera shots taken from the
0:29:07point of view of the killer which i
0:29:09think most people would attribute to
0:29:10halloween was done here for years
0:29:13earlier the repeated phone calls from
0:29:15the killer as i mentioned and these are
0:29:17much much worse than just the check the
0:29:19kids this is actually some really creepy
0:29:21schizophrenic sounding stuff with the
0:29:23guy uses multiple voices and speaks as a
0:29:25child sometimes and occasionally just
0:29:27drops into totally normal speech
0:29:29patterns and indeed plan the call is
0:29:33coming from inside the house so you work
0:29:35you were correct there I was worried for
0:29:37a second we're going to pick a black
0:29:38yellow Christmas notes that's a good one
0:29:41too though right you know i just i'm not
0:29:43i'm not super familiar this but I
0:29:45wouldn't look at the wikipedia page what
0:29:46we're talking and notice that this in a
0:29:48tie into our earlier discussion cured
0:29:50aaliyah's in this movie here 2001 Fame
0:29:54also Olivia Hussey who was in romeo and
0:29:57juliet juliet Margot Kidder and Margot
0:30:00Kidder here playing that here playing
0:30:02away from type as a drunk kind of a pic
0:30:07oh this is the darkest holiday would
0:30:11evolve ever so it's wonderful it's a
0:30:13wonderful film whose Andrea Martin plan
0:30:15this film well I don't seem it and she's
0:30:17got more Andrea Martin he's somewhat
0:30:19attractive semi amusing friend
0:30:21well the sorority girls with the curly
0:30:23hair and glasses who she's really more
0:30:26of an accessory she doesn't really rise
0:30:27to or two I do i think the fast lane
0:30:30choice her talents but it's it's a
0:30:32wonderful summer film this is a
0:30:35Christmas Eve and you only a scary one
0:30:37it's it's a good thing thrown the DVD
0:30:40player wire wrapping gifts or stabbing
0:30:42gifts with a knife over and you're
0:30:43somewhere so when the cancer sleep
0:30:45upstairs you're assembling all the toys
0:30:47there you go you have after you've put
0:30:49together the bike with the Japanese
0:30:50instructions and you're in a bitter
0:30:52bitter mood this is the this is the way
0:30:54to go
0:30:54at least somebody's having a worst
0:30:56Christmas Eve than I am just don't have
0:30:57don't have the volume up to louder
0:30:59one of your kids will come downstairs to
0:31:01be like what do you want God it does
0:31:04have very little blood so if you happen
0:31:06to be somebody who's squeamish that's
0:31:08actually a pretty decent film for for
0:31:09you know horror beginners and contrary
0:31:14to the template that Halloween started
0:31:16the Virgin dies first
0:31:18so it's actually an improvement over
0:31:19what came later it was between this and
0:31:21home alone
0:31:25I think you did a good job by by another
0:31:29psychopathic keeps picking people off
0:31:30one-by-one during the holidays and
0:31:32inside a house that's right
0:31:34die hard 2 also somebody skulks around
0:31:36killing people inside a big house that I
0:31:39think about our mothers our headlight
0:31:41different holiday and no one is killed
0:31:44to my knowledge accepting the same that
0:31:47they removed spoken of murder see all by
0:31:49briefly considered I hard to for my
0:31:52choice this year but us decided that
0:31:54it's not as good as die hard one
0:31:56it's not the sequels rarely are still
0:31:59still decent still better than a lot of
0:32:01crap your action movies but you know
0:32:03what it doesn't quite capture the magic
0:32:04I think we should move on because I'm
0:32:06going sir
0:32:07yes I know it's starting to get dark in
0:32:10here
0:32:10let's all it so let's go to Andy next
0:32:14you didn't put a halt it is involved i
0:32:17I'm entering it in the vault now in the
0:32:19back of the values extremes to put
0:32:21involved in your screams of horror from
0:32:23the vault when it entered I thought
0:32:25maybe there was an alternative all that
0:32:26you were putting that it i'm telling you
0:32:28i'm looking for Donnelly this podcasting
0:32:30hear all those special of sound effects
0:32:32will be laying in hear the creaking the
0:32:34fall to the screaming and that's gonna
0:32:36be awesome
0:32:36it is IMVU podcast listener
0:32:40Oh holiday and has just mysteriously
0:32:42disappeared from the ball it's coming
0:32:45from inside the vault oh no it's cool
0:32:48though is it was gonna dip out for you
0:32:50know some eggnog so it'll probably back
0:32:52later it's going to get phone call
0:32:53though it's coming from inside the vault
0:32:54so good huh yeah any what do you got
0:32:59well you got a topic what was horrible
0:33:05what horrible thing will be emanating
0:33:06from your heart warming christmas
0:33:08special
0:33:11well I we talk this afternoon you
0:33:14reminded me that I actually talked about
0:33:16the sctv holiday special last year so
0:33:19let's consider that already there even
0:33:21though was sort of snuck in under an
0:33:23asterisk I decided in lil in lieu of
0:33:26that to talk about what is actually a
0:33:30legitimate sincere beloved holiday TV
0:33:33classic for me every year this this show
0:33:37comes on every year
0:33:39I not only watch it I'm like they're 10
0:33:41minutes early I'm excited like a kid for
0:33:44the show to come on and when the show
0:33:46ends i am just so happy and so thankful
0:33:50that Christmas exists and it really is
0:33:53Christmas when the show airs and again
0:33:55it sounds like i'm going to be sarcastic
0:33:56then say it's about the seals and Crofts
0:33:59robot robot Christmas crowd cartoon of
0:34:011974 no no I'm being sincere here it is
0:34:04the last show of late show with david
0:34:07letterman before Christmas it is the
0:34:10unofficial david letterman holiday
0:34:12special never announced never promote
0:34:15promoted that way but they do the exact
0:34:17same show each and every season each
0:34:19with a certain segment that you know
0:34:21it's coming but it's the greatest thing
0:34:23ever
0:34:24so they this is paul shaffer is going to
0:34:27tell from from behind the piano is going
0:34:29to tell the story about him watching the
0:34:32share Christmas special Sonny and Cher
0:34:34christmas special in the mid-seventies
0:34:36always the same script as oh it always
0:34:38kills only yeah you mentioned that she
0:34:45wasn't she was in Victorian clothes
0:34:47her hands were in a month pause for the
0:34:49laughs from the audience every time okay
0:34:52Jay Thomas comes on as a guest
0:34:56he tells the story about the time that
0:34:57he and his friend gave the lone ranger a
0:34:59ride back from her from a car show
0:35:01appearance that he and a he and Dave
0:35:04will like take turns throwing footballs
0:35:07at a Christmas tree with a giant
0:35:08meatball on the top of it they're going
0:35:10to take turns throwing these footballs
0:35:12and trying to knock the meatball off the
0:35:14tree and sometimes Jake sometimes
0:35:16sometimes jay thomas gets it sometimes
0:35:18David Letterman gets it but you can see
0:35:20every single time they really really
0:35:23want to be the one who
0:35:24it's two knocks the meatball off the
0:35:26tree this year and then but the but the
0:35:28the best part of all
0:35:31Darlene love singing christmas baby
0:35:33because problem yeah and maybe the first
0:35:35time they ever did this it was done like
0:35:38almost any other musical appearance on
0:35:40the show extremely well produced well
0:35:41done but nothing spectacular about it
0:35:44but you can sort of you can also tell
0:35:46that everyone associated with this show
0:35:48wants this to be the best five minutes
0:35:50they do every single year there's they
0:35:53bring a chorus that bring an orchestra
0:35:55they bring soloists they find a new way
0:35:58to get the saxophone player in for his
0:36:00big saxophone solo I'm really looking
0:36:02forward to it especially this year
0:36:03because the sex of their regular
0:36:05saxophone player left earlier this
0:36:07season and now there's a new guy in
0:36:09there I don't know if he's going to fill
0:36:10in where they're going to get the old
0:36:11guy back in yet
0:36:12you can tell by this is a smile on my
0:36:14face that's about eight miles wide
0:36:16I love this each and every year and
0:36:19possibly it's because one common thread
0:36:23through a lot of these things we've been
0:36:24talking about our favorite favorite
0:36:25Christmas shows a lot of it is just its
0:36:27associated with so many really great
0:36:29memories that we a christmas story comes
0:36:31on at some point and we're gonna be
0:36:33seeing it through the course of the day
0:36:34it's gonna be tied into whatever we do
0:36:35on Christmas each and every year
0:36:37Letterman shows but I've been watching
0:36:39the show since I was a kid it what
0:36:41didn't exist before be before I was a
0:36:44teenager and it wasn't designed to be
0:36:48this this commercial sort of thing
0:36:50that's going to sell products and sell
0:36:51advertising it just feels as though it
0:36:53just grew naturally and organically and
0:36:55everybody including the audience is just
0:36:57enjoying every damn second of it so I'm
0:37:01looking forward to if ever I i got my
0:37:03schedule screwed up and I missed it i
0:37:05would really have to petition like the
0:37:07internet saying that somebody record
0:37:09this and post the video because I can't
0:37:12have my christmas until I see the
0:37:13lettermen christmas show amazing that
0:37:15they you know they essentially do the
0:37:16same thing over here every year why not
0:37:19david has the same show every night
0:37:21that's true oh zing you got a point for
0:37:24backpack that's right Dave I'm sorry he
0:37:29couldn't hear you over the sound of the
0:37:31kennedy center honor that you receive
0:37:33as one of the leading contributors to
0:37:35American entertainment now I just didn't
0:37:37hear about that because I stopped
0:37:38watching him 10 years ago when he
0:37:39stopped being funny you know you weren't
0:37:42always sing bird finding worried so what
0:37:45do you have to contribute to the the the
0:37:48increasingly crowded and come on holiday
0:37:51movie volt the 1968 classic the lion in
0:37:55winter good one
0:37:57thank you it's the story of Christmas
0:38:01with Henry the second Eleanor of
0:38:03Aquitaine and their three squabbling a
0:38:05surviving sons to give you a little
0:38:08backstory Henry and Eleanor one of
0:38:10history's original fun couples she tried
0:38:15to have him overthrown and in turn he
0:38:17had imprisoned but because they were big
0:38:20on appearances he freed her for
0:38:21Christmas every year and during so this
0:38:25takes place with her being you know
0:38:26wrote on a barge up from prison to the
0:38:28family stronghold where Henry has been
0:38:31shacking up with his son's fiancee
0:38:33this is fine by his son Richard because
0:38:35Richard wasn't exactly into the ladies
0:38:37and over the course of the next I want
0:38:42to say 36 hours that the movie takes
0:38:44place the sun's conspire to kill one or
0:38:47both of their parents Henry and Eleanor
0:38:49squabble reconcile squabble reconcile
0:38:51blah blah at infinitum and the whole
0:38:55thing is just a meditation on the
0:38:56madness of going home for the holidays
0:38:58and seeing the relatives you know you
0:38:59know will drive you nuts and the the
0:39:02dialogue the odd katharine hepburn place
0:39:05Eleanor of Aquitaine peter o'toole is
0:39:08brilliant as Henry the second a
0:39:11comparatively young Anthony haha Anthony
0:39:14Hopkins is Richard Timothy oh god
0:39:18Timothy Dalton that's his name Timothy
0:39:19Dalton plays the King of France who
0:39:22happens to have had been having things
0:39:24to do with Richard on the side and and
0:39:27BB you come for that you you come for
0:39:29the 1183 imager you stay for the
0:39:31dialogue because it's got some of the
0:39:33best lines that you're ever going to
0:39:34hear in cinema i love that bit but she
0:39:36throws herself doses every family has
0:39:38its ups and downs but now there's
0:39:42there's a scene where after after after
0:39:43the Sun seven prison both Henry and
0:39:45Eleanor
0:39:46and stuck them in the in the dungeons to
0:39:48figure out what to do with them
0:39:49there's this beautiful scene where
0:39:50Katherine Hepburn turns to Pedro to
0:39:52lances I have a confession i'm afraid i
0:39:56don't much like our children
0:39:58well this that I think aaron sorkin
0:40:01frequently quotes the line about the
0:40:02about the man falling down which i
0:40:05believe is from here which was
0:40:07yeah it'sit's when the falls on all that
0:40:08was left yes it matters anyway I don't
0:40:10know how you fall one of the Alliance
0:40:13that we used to what shall we hang the
0:40:15Holly or each other is one that comes up
0:40:17a lot i'm not a huge katharine hepburn
0:40:20fan I think she tells I think she I
0:40:22think she veers towards the gimmicky I
0:40:24mean it's a hell of a screen it's a hell
0:40:26of a screen presence but i'm always
0:40:27going to prefer Rosalind Russell to
0:40:29Katharine Hepburn in terms of grand old
0:40:31downs and but i have to say that I can't
0:40:34see Roz Russell doing this one and
0:40:36there's a point where cats were on
0:40:38Elinor's fondly recalling when she went
0:40:41on the Crusades because she was a huge
0:40:42backup the Second Crusade and she went
0:40:44out and it's kind of a big deal but I'm
0:40:45and the line is I even made pour lui her
0:40:48first husband King of France Louie take
0:40:51me on crusade how's that for blast to be
0:40:53addressed my maids Amazons and rode bare
0:40:55breasted halfway to Damascus Louie had a
0:40:57seizure and I damn near died of wind
0:40:59burn but the troops were dazzled equinix
0:41:01just circle maybe it's in the every line
0:41:04is this beautiful setup and the
0:41:05knockdown and setup and the knockdown um
0:41:07and and the music is fantastic
0:41:11I best of all it's not a ren fair or in
0:41:14SC a type of oh the nobility is clean
0:41:17and and the sets are gorgeous and rumors
0:41:20gowns I it's just it's grainy the only
0:41:23way you can tell Henry that the king is
0:41:24you can be bothered to put on a circle
0:41:26and he's just as grainy and and shovels
0:41:28everybody else there are dogs sleeping
0:41:30under the table people are sleeping on
0:41:32piles of strong the Florence is very
0:41:33true to life it to what it was and I
0:41:36think that had something to it as well
0:41:37it's again if you are going if you're
0:41:40going home for the holidays only with
0:41:41the greatest of reluctance or you are
0:41:43stealing yourself for some inevitable
0:41:44relative showing up
0:41:46watch this movie ahead of time because
0:41:47you will be smirking to yourself the
0:41:49rest of the holiday season and this is a
0:41:51screenplay is James golden who's the the
0:41:55brother of william goldman yeah there's
0:41:58there's a remake they did a couple years
0:41:59ago the BBC did were i believe it's the
0:42:01BBC it's patrick stewart as Henry the
0:42:04second and Glenn Close is Eleanor I
0:42:07haven't worked out for the DVD yet and
0:42:09I'd love to see Patrick Stewart I'm just
0:42:11not not sure I want to see Glenn Close
0:42:13that makes sense but maybe youtube can
0:42:16do a mashup where it's patrick stewart
0:42:18and Katharine Hepburn that sound again
0:42:20gauge but it's well worth i'm not i'm
0:42:23not sure returning classic movies is
0:42:24going to show it during the holiday
0:42:26season but they usually show it during
0:42:28their third 31 days of Oscar so keep an
0:42:32eye out for items for 24 hours and just
0:42:34dip in dependent value Y is y is y is
0:42:38Jeffrey advocating mutiny what is going
0:42:40on why are they had a Chinese restaurant
0:42:42knows dance move i have never seen this
0:42:44movie I I am blown away i need to see
0:42:47this i is forever different fantastic
0:42:50never T the chew the scenery they spit
0:42:53it out they create new scenery to shoe
0:42:55and spin it again and it's historically
0:42:57barely accurate peter o'toole is
0:43:00fantastic because he makes you what he
0:43:02make he makes you understand than half
0:43:03of being a king is convincing other
0:43:05people that your kingly and then that's
0:43:08in the other actors who are stuck with
0:43:10planning & Sons actually do a fantastic
0:43:11job of explaining how the Plantagenet
0:43:14dynasty was kind of do before it started
0:43:15because that you know Henry the second
0:43:17was kind of the peak of it was all
0:43:18downhill after that even though Richard
0:43:19was technically the lion-hearted he
0:43:21bankrupted England and you know John
0:43:24prompted the Magna Carta it's come for
0:43:27the dialogue stay for the acting I just
0:43:29really this is one of my desert island
0:43:31movies as well as one of my Christmas
0:43:33favorites so I really love this movie
0:43:35you handing back on his heels like Lou
0:43:38visualize that's a good sign to know
0:43:41that they had it so I had a sort of war
0:43:43myself to say Andy shut up because this
0:43:45is sort of movie you can spend 30
0:43:47minutes talking about another let's say
0:43:48we get a word in edgewise is it is an
0:43:51intensely solid choice it is also it is
0:43:54also on that list of movies where it's
0:43:56like okay well i only get it at that's
0:43:58great i put in a lot of work together to
0:44:00finish this thing on time and got maybe
0:44:02another 45 minutes worth of work but
0:44:04they're not expecting it till noon and
0:44:06that's two or three hours away
0:44:07I'm good I'll definitely make this the
0:44:09consensus on time like all
0:44:11wrap this movies on this my husband and
0:44:14I can I know I can't do anything but
0:44:16watch this
0:44:17oh damn it will act of god what I do
0:44:20it's America know and it's just there's
0:44:22it's such a good movie
0:44:23oh yeah maybe it really it really
0:44:25underscores absolutely like why Peter
0:44:28O'Toole is one of the greatest actors
0:44:30that that the passing of the years I've
0:44:32ever you get that had been working the
0:44:33past 50 years because you see him when
0:44:36he's on you see like a Richard Harrison
0:44:38peter o'toole the other actors like when
0:44:40they are mostly down to playing you know
0:44:44Richard Harris or peter o'toole exactly
0:44:46that you have to see you see him on the
0:44:47chalk shows and they have these great
0:44:49stories about being drunk actors in
0:44:51their early twenties and they're great
0:44:52stories but you forget that these are
0:44:54these people who were on some sort of
0:44:56reality show and that's how the name is
0:44:57out there they got there they became
0:44:59famous actors after 15 years of nothing
0:45:02but great role after great role after
0:45:05great role and this my I think I i think
0:45:08that this is only my second favorite
0:45:10peter o'toole performance beyond the
0:45:12only second only to his role in the
0:45:14stuntman because if there is ever a
0:45:17stuntman te plaît plays he plays as
0:45:20that crazy director exactly please King
0:45:23in in that movie he plays God in this
0:45:26one because he plays a direct a director
0:45:28who like within this for this realm is
0:45:30like any if I want something to happen
0:45:32it happens because I wanted it to happen
0:45:34if you're on my set I control and really
0:45:37completely you don't know whether he's
0:45:39insane or a genius but that is the
0:45:41that's the only other roller can say oh
0:45:43it's such a hard choice to make between
0:45:45those do anyway you can practically see
0:45:47Anthony Hopkins picking up tips and his
0:45:49scenes quickly and Hawkins has a good
0:45:52seem to when to let you have a family
0:45:56dynamics put up there are five minute
0:45:59there are six main characters Alice the
0:46:00mistress Henry and Eleanor the
0:46:02squabbling monarch / parents and then
0:46:04the three sons Richard Jeffrey the
0:46:06conniving little Sun and then John
0:46:08two-out-of-three these guys become kings
0:46:10the way the way the loyalty split up is
0:46:13Richard back to his mother when she
0:46:15tried to overthrow Henry and put their
0:46:17now deceased brother and put their now
0:46:19deceased son Henry on the throne
0:46:21there's a lot of Henry's and John back
0:46:23his father and Jeffrey plays
0:46:25both sides against the middle and
0:46:26actually tries to make an end around and
0:46:28run around everybody but there's there's
0:46:31a scene where Henry is wondering why
0:46:32Richard never warmed to him and and why
0:46:35there's this huge disconnect and anthony
0:46:37hopkins you could have called you could
0:46:39have called anytime and i would have
0:46:41come to your side and you never once
0:46:42looked at me and I've seen this movie
0:46:45about I'd say 1015 times and everytime i
0:46:49see that seen it still breaks my heart
0:46:50and that's because it feels fresh every
0:46:52time that it's it's good acting
0:46:54it's it's not hackneyed it's not cliche
0:46:56it's not one of those things where you
0:46:59know what's coming you can practically
0:47:00mouth the dialogue it's just it's very
0:47:01fresh organic moment and again the
0:47:04writing a snap-in brilliant there is not
0:47:06a bad performance of a lot the
0:47:09historical details really throw you and
0:47:1122 of the mindset we understand how it
0:47:15can be that parents and children are
0:47:16actively scheming to kill each other
0:47:19I'm just ended set of Christmas so it's
0:47:21best we can but it really basically the
0:47:25same plot as Black Christmas so but most
0:47:27most film spring spring from Black
0:47:29Christmas there are no virgins to be
0:47:31killed in this film so you know everyone
0:47:32loves her a Jason confused about
0:47:35something I think there's still one
0:47:37package left to open tonight
0:47:39contact it's left to open yes that's
0:47:41right we could save for the next night
0:47:43of Hanukkah is it isn't alone offers a
0:47:45full of burning crap or is it full of
0:47:47something delightful it is full of
0:47:49delightfully burning crap i have my my
0:47:53selections and first I'm going to say
0:47:54that that the guy i had to choose
0:47:56between two episodes of animated TV
0:48:00series that aired on fox
0:48:01so it was it was a close one because I
0:48:04dearly love and perhaps will induct a
0:48:06future holiday movie vault the episode
0:48:10of futurama called xmas story where in
0:48:13where in Santa is a murderous robot that
0:48:16duh strikes fear into the population of
0:48:19Earth as he tries to kill everybody
0:48:20voice of John Goodman which I believe
0:48:23they actually didn't air originally
0:48:27because they were afraid of how awful i
0:48:29think i confirm this with david cohen
0:48:31sorry glinting when I when the
0:48:33mysterious came on and
0:48:35it was they had a delayed i think a year
0:48:37because it was so horrifying and
0:48:39terrifying to the studio executives and
0:48:41only they could bring themselves to air
0:48:42it but by the next year they'd already
0:48:43destroyed the show viewership enough the
0:48:46studio was willing to bet that was going
0:48:48to show it because i didn't think i was
0:48:49watching it because Cassandra is like
0:48:51weapons and he tries to kill everybody
0:48:53that's a and and uh not as good as Black
0:48:55Christmas it's it's good and that's how
0:48:58they celebrate xmas in the year 3000
0:49:01this is they they honor the murderous
0:49:03Santa and the the episode here's a
0:49:05little trivia bit the episode begins
0:49:07with the super title based on a true
0:49:10story
0:49:11who why but no i'm not i'm not actually
0:49:15gonna gonna pick that one instead i'm
0:49:16going to pick an episode of the Fox
0:49:18animated series the tick called the
0:49:23tickle of Santa but it was a saturday
0:49:26morning cartoon show on Fox before it
0:49:28became a brief and brilliant light
0:49:32action comedy on Fox and primetime and
0:49:35the animation is crude but the writing
0:49:38is incredibly sharp the writing is a
0:49:39sharp as the animation is crude and Fox
0:49:43actually aired this episode in primetime
0:49:44as a kind of a Christmas special and
0:49:48it's great it's really clever the idea
0:49:51is there's a department store addresses
0:49:53a department store Santa and he he he's
0:49:56a criminal and he gets accidentally
0:49:58electrocuted but rather than dying he he
0:50:01has this superpower where multiple
0:50:04versions amount of himself created and
0:50:06this is created a super villain known as
0:50:08multiple Santa multiple Santa decides to
0:50:11go of it ultimately to the city dam
0:50:13which is hydroelectric power and he's
0:50:16going to electrocute himself and create
0:50:18an army of millions of multiple Santa's
0:50:20each of whom basically just says 00 over
0:50:25and over again as they swarmed the city
0:50:27creating chaos and and just horrible
0:50:31crimes that happen
0:50:32so that's that's the that's your
0:50:34superhero plot and it has to be thwarted
0:50:35by the tech in his sidekick arthur but
0:50:38maybe the best thing about it is the
0:50:40tech is this character who is a who is
0:50:42very innocent and and we learn early on
0:50:45in this in this episode that he believes
0:50:47in Santa completely you
0:50:48is he he's a believer in sand and this
0:50:50episode walks a line because it's the
0:50:51children's cartoon that adults watched
0:50:56include me but it is it was on
0:50:58originally in you know the daytime it
0:51:01and and so it never takes a position on
0:51:04Santa being real or not but the tick
0:51:06does the tick believes that's that Santa
0:51:08is real and Arthur doesn't and what ends
0:51:11up happening is because he's upset that
0:51:14the multiple Santa because he thinks
0:51:15it's anna turns out it's not Santa
0:51:18however Israel and in fact Santa is a
0:51:21almost a he's surrounded by Secret
0:51:25Service like group of elves and big red
0:51:29is on the rooftop big red is coming down
0:51:31the stairs now so so big red santa the
0:51:35real Santa decides to meet with the
0:51:36ticket Arthur and they see his whole
0:51:38security contingent which is elves
0:51:40literally Secret Service agent elves
0:51:42they've got dark glasses and little ear
0:51:43pieces and the tip comes and briefs them
0:51:46about about how it gives him a pep talk
0:51:48and says you got to take care of
0:51:49multiple Santa and as he's doing this he
0:51:51occasionally just hands presence to them
0:51:53just like it here have this and
0:51:56communities talk because that's that's
0:51:59it Santa Claus right so is taken streets
0:52:01like okay Santa Israel and then they
0:52:03have to go and they they have to stop
0:52:06the multiple Santa and and you know it
0:52:08was ridiculous and just I think that the
0:52:10the climax at the city damn where
0:52:13they've got the hydroelectric plant and
0:52:15any and of course it all works out and
0:52:17and Santa thanks them for their service
0:52:19and all that but i love it because it's
0:52:21it's a it's funny it's a it's got a nice
0:52:25take not quite as murderous as the xmas
0:52:27santa from futurama but still it's funny
0:52:30the bad guy is not just one Santa but
0:52:32many many Santas and who they're up to
0:52:35no good and then the real Santa has to
0:52:37come and and give the assignment and
0:52:40he's treated with a sort of proper
0:52:41reference so it's a it's a it's a gym
0:52:44and I think it's on
0:52:45I don't know if it's on streaming but i
0:52:46know that the tick a season two I
0:52:49believe is on DVD of the animated series
0:52:51is all on DVD now and i love it and it's
0:52:53a great series but the tickle of Santa
0:52:55great episode so I want to toss it in
0:52:58the vault original comic books i read
0:53:00the watch
0:53:01the original cartoon series one area and
0:53:03reruns and I even mildly enjoyed the
0:53:06crazy live-action series our little
0:53:09which I love because the Creator has
0:53:11been was last name is lieutenant yeah
0:53:13but his thing is you know we were
0:53:15negotiating for the cartoon my lawyer
0:53:17said just keep something back he was
0:53:19going to keep something back so we
0:53:20decided to keep back the live-action
0:53:22rights because no one's ever gonna make
0:53:24a lot of action version of this while
0:53:27Ben Edlund who went on to work on Angel
0:53:28and firefly believe and also
0:53:30supernatural well very clear that the
0:53:34tickets a great character and that is a
0:53:35great episode
0:53:36don't let don't let the cheap cheap
0:53:38animation fool you that the three
0:53:40seasons of the animated tick and the
0:53:42live-action 1r are great but being
0:53:45married holiday everyone was trying to
0:53:46think what TV episodes have had TV shows
0:53:48with Christmas episodes have I really
0:53:50liked my thought about I thought about
0:53:52it for a while i was thinking about
0:53:53dramas and very special Christmas
0:53:55episodes and also kind of modeling
0:53:57christmas episode of mash and things
0:53:59like that and suddenly I was like oh you
0:54:01know what it's the tick I i love outside
0:54:03of the Charlie Brown Christmas that
0:54:04would be the next place i would go for a
0:54:06tad animated Christmas think so strongly
0:54:09Caldwell related tick trivia which is
0:54:12that Josh believe it was originally
0:54:13supposed to be our threw them off and
0:54:15live-action version of the show but they
0:54:17wouldn't release them from sports night
0:54:18even though the show had been canceled
0:54:20ah shameful i know it only last about
0:54:23seven episodes 4 episodes a lot of
0:54:25Andrews that's also on DVD i have those
0:54:26that's great that's great great
0:54:29yeah and created by created in in my
0:54:31locale was published by New England
0:54:33comics yes my comic book store growing
0:54:35up
0:54:36me too yeah they have a waiver I guess
0:54:39the recoloring all the old dishes of the
0:54:40original theory they're gonna we're
0:54:42gonna sell the hell out of those 12
0:54:43issues whatever I mean there are only
0:54:45yet 12 or 13 I had one once and if you
0:54:48have to wear is though there's a
0:54:49collection I mean I did those issues are
0:54:52available in many forms because you know
0:54:54comics can keep making money on the
0:54:56night
0:54:56it's like a large building i have my
0:54:58flaming carrot comics but i do not have
0:55:00takes oh yeah i wish' i wish the tix
0:55:04rights were kind of resolved better
0:55:08because that would be nice to see see
0:55:10more more stuff than there is in in high
0:55:12school my friend
0:55:14and occasionally comfortable contributor
0:55:16Jason tachi and I designed a tick
0:55:19role-playing game
0:55:20wow that was hilarious like basically
0:55:23just makes used to like screw around for
0:55:24a couple hours on the computer and come
0:55:26up with ridiculous rules for a game i
0:55:28think it had skills including like
0:55:29doorknob operation was a skill in that
0:55:32came and many other references to the
0:55:35series 19 vulnerability that kind of
0:55:37stuff I so I i should say yes and he's
0:55:40nine vulnerable not completely dry and I
0:55:42invulnerable up one thing that I'm not
0:55:46not Christmas but Thanksgiving at my
0:55:49notice
0:55:50Michael Gartenberg who is our our pal
0:55:52and was on the stretcher to episode
0:55:54every year watches the to Thanksgiving
0:55:58episode of the west wing on thanksgiving
0:56:00and i actually had a little bit of time
0:56:02while I was preparing a Thanksgiving
0:56:04dinner and I watched by watching one of
0:56:07the lobby
0:56:08I i well Indians in the lobby and uh
0:56:10what's the other one called well no no
0:56:14no Thomas one it's the one with the
0:56:16Chinese immigrants who are Christians
0:56:19and therefore triple-a Shiva left yeah
0:56:21yeah
0:56:21excellent you know those are pretty good
0:56:22i have my criticisms of especially later
0:56:25days west wing Sorkin but those are
0:56:28pretty good too but just to throw them
0:56:30out there as some nice holiday episode
0:56:32for holidays that aren't in december
0:56:34because not all holidays are in december
0:56:37as the holiday and taught us along with
0:56:40the lesson about horrible radar look
0:56:43thanks go ahead there's a darker episode
0:56:46that i didn't expect no one expects the
0:56:51spanish inquisition Christmas itself but
0:56:53as a Jew I don't really have much
0:56:54experience with this Christmas thing
0:56:56that gets me you know there are there
0:56:57any good Hanukkah anything's I don't
0:56:59think that you are you know you're
0:57:01alienating the Hebrew ever actually the
0:57:04hebrew hammer is an excellently I will I
0:57:06will seriously lyerly is the co-star no
0:57:09no it's judy greer one match your career
0:57:11planning a better to degrade and Adam
0:57:14Goldstein and it's an animal is his
0:57:16hammer is MC Hammer in that know if
0:57:19you're not and you're not familiar with
0:57:20the overhand no no no
0:57:22so it is basically the interval another
0:57:23black white asian films
0:57:26but about cruising with whole arias and
0:57:28awesome would it be safe for college
0:57:30exploitations it is in fact an often
0:57:32called a disappointing isn't very funny
0:57:34but yes he's kinda got an afro sort of
0:57:36pimped out but he's got superpowers this
0:57:38great bit where he engineer fighting
0:57:40andy dick was santa claus's son who's
0:57:43killed Santa class i think and wants to
0:57:45take over all holidays and they're
0:57:47fighting away and then the sun goes down
0:57:49there like oh jus powers fading is the
0:57:51Sabbath in the potty training other
0:57:53powers sometimes it's a really i don't i
0:57:55saw it in the theater
0:57:56believe it or not are you standing there
0:57:59was fantastic is a great movie is on
0:58:01netflix streaming you can get their
0:58:02Mario Van Peebles is actually in this
0:58:04movie to Peter Coyote it's a crazy crazy
0:58:07film melvin van peebles in this movie
0:58:10well sure i highly highly recommended
0:58:12isn't always the best Hanukkah related
0:58:14movie one setting aside eight crazy
0:58:16nights I mean it isn't the LC your
0:58:19there's one other isn't there now we
0:58:21don't we don't admit that exists so uh
0:58:22what one of these days what we need to
0:58:25do is get get even more negative and
0:58:26talk about the things that we would like
0:58:27to put a holiday movie purgatory but
0:58:30that would probably be another podcast
0:58:31the holiday movie incinerator bank and
0:58:35pass but not now
0:58:37and Andy besides that Sandy's gig right
0:58:39rankin/bass isn't that bad and he's the
0:58:41guy who brings you down with your
0:58:43beloved with your beloved na old things
0:58:45that was very emissary of God on this
0:58:48plane I don't find the standards for
0:58:50sanity for the rest yeah that's how it
0:58:52is you have a problem with that take it
0:58:53up with God not with me
0:58:55okay well with that hear the sound
0:58:58effects that you candy is requesting
0:59:00that I'm not going to put it of the
0:59:01vault door is being closed and slam shot
0:59:04for another year
0:59:07this has been this has been great this
0:59:09was a lot of fun and I got some more
0:59:11movies that i need to go watch including
0:59:13the line and winter from Lisa that's a
0:59:14good one that I had not even double
0:59:17features with the hebrew hammer very
0:59:18well that's good that's good at holiday
0:59:21inn but only the 1si it's like chocolate
0:59:23pretzels you wouldn't think about it i
0:59:25will soon as you take them together wow
0:59:27yeah all right so this is great i want
0:59:29to thank everybody for coming
0:59:31Lisa thanks for being here alright
0:59:33thanks guys by inflation thank you for
0:59:35bringing your selection and I thank you
0:59:37for tolerating me
0:59:38yes no I appreciate
0:59:40for another year thank you yes for
0:59:41another year indian taco thank you very
0:59:44much
0:59:44you've been very good this year jason i
0:59:46hope you get the paddle ball with you
0:59:49test group us for me too me too it's the
0:59:52top of my list right at the top
0:59:55damn more'n thanks for being here I'm
0:59:58gonna shoot somebody I up
0:59:58gonna shoot somebody I up
1:00:00can't say who fouled out of the mixed
1:00:04and is another dark turn in this episode
1:00:07and Steve let's thank you
1:00:09it has been a pleasure dragging your
1:00:11otherwise congenial holiday podcast into
1:00:13the horror movie ghetto it's great i
1:00:15expect nothing less of you with a
1:00:18witness that I i hear noises on the
1:00:20rooftop kids I think it's john siracusa
1:00:23who's come to bring commentary to go to
1:00:26bed because if he sees you awake
1:00:28he's not going to visit so he'll visit
1:00:30and i'll tell you give you an itemized
1:00:33list of why you should be asleep but yes
1:00:37and on that note I would like to thank
1:00:38everybody for listening to this episode
1:00:40of the incomparable have her have a
1:00:42happy holiday everybody right right yeah
1:00:45happy holidays or or if you prefer an
1:00:48unhappy holiday some of our movies will
1:00:50serve that to do
1:00:52dudas see you next time
1:01:01dr. collected the fact that this is the
1:01:05most special Christmas