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0:00:00Jason's gonna be liberal with the

0:00:04editing I just I either I'm it's gonna

0:00:06be like to die hard episode I'm just

0:00:08gonna put a disclaimer on the front that

0:00:09says don't listen to this it's episode

0:00:11in this episode is five minutes alone

0:00:13we're horrible horrible people happy

0:00:15happy holidays everybody

0:00:17the incomparable over 180 December 2012

0:00:30ho ho

0:00:32welcome back everybody it's the holidays

0:00:34and this is the uncomfortable podcast

0:00:36I'm your host Jason snow and we are

0:00:39going to revive I guess it only comes to

0:00:42tradition once you do it more than once

0:00:44so this is it we are going to talk about

0:00:46our favorite holiday movies again last

0:00:50year we did an episode called the

0:00:51holiday movie vault where we each placed

0:00:54an item a TV show or movie in the

0:00:57holiday vault 22 treasure for always for

0:01:01all time and we're going to do it again

0:01:03we're going to add some more things the

0:01:05vault is large enough to fit more movies

0:01:07and TV shows than we have in it now

0:01:09there's plenty of room in the vault so

0:01:11we're going to throw some more stuff in

0:01:12the vault

0:01:13joining me to add items to the vault are

0:01:16Glenn fleischmann hi Glenn

0:01:18hello there and ho ho from this Jewish

0:01:21boy

0:01:22hoho hello hello oh and also joining us

0:01:26and Enoch oh hello Andy

0:01:29Merry Christmas Jason have you been a

0:01:31good host this year a fair-to-middling

0:01:35oh ok well you i'll give you the the

0:01:39i'll give you the logitech USB

0:01:41microphone instead of the height 240 see

0:01:43that I give it the good posts

0:01:45wow this podcast brought to you by

0:01:47logitech it's like a lump of coal in

0:01:49your stocking

0:01:49also here is the fine and why is Steve

0:01:53let's hi Steve

0:01:54Wow bay as aplin already

0:02:00and if you identify the movie that comes

0:02:02from you win a free non-existence the

0:02:04comparable teacher yeah that's right i

0:02:05always tell me if you will win the

0:02:07Seventh Seal you guessed it Berkman knew

0:02:11had knew his way around some dialogue

0:02:12and tell you i was i was gonna say

0:02:14eraserhead I'm so glad it's a class

0:02:16whatever feeling foolish right now

0:02:18also joining me Dan Morgan I dan hi

0:02:21Jason I anything clever to smoke

0:02:23okay fair enough and very happy to have

0:02:27Lisa Schwyzer with us to hi Lisa

0:02:29happy winter solstice everyone here Mary

0:02:32pagan festival of darkness all good

0:02:36you're good you'll agree that they're

0:02:39all you nod critical thinkers how I pity

0:02:42and hate you

0:02:45critically of cards throwing a richard

0:02:48dawkins special in the holiday movie

0:02:49Pulp it's terrible little present

0:02:51everything that's in there it's a core

0:02:53Sagan Christmas billions and billions of

0:02:57Christmas specials

0:02:59well that's true and that's just

0:03:00rankin/bass oh so I i want to recap

0:03:04before we do our inductees for the year

0:03:062012 into our holiday movie vault which

0:03:08ice should say i called the holiday

0:03:10movie vault and see let's pointed out

0:03:12that uh I said movies or TV and so when

0:03:15we induct the TV show last year that

0:03:17that was one of these choices that was

0:03:19not cheating

0:03:20it was perfectly valid and it's my fault

0:03:22for calling it the whole holiday movie

0:03:24volt includes television that's just how

0:03:27it is it's called the holiday movie

0:03:28vault includes television that's how we

0:03:30roll

0:03:31I'm going to recap the movies that are

0:03:32already in the vault first off we have

0:03:34an honorary inductee because at

0:03:37Christmas in 2010 we did a whole episode

0:03:40about die hard and what a great holiday

0:03:43movie diehard was so I'm gonna put that

0:03:46I'm gonna mark that down as being dan

0:03:48moore and selection from year zero of

0:03:51the holiday movie fault and input

0:03:53diehard in the vault last year's choices

0:03:56Glenn inducted elf the will ferrell

0:04:00comedy about a else that looks like will

0:04:03ferrell he's very tall and james caan is

0:04:06very angry

0:04:06it's the wrath of khan which we I think

0:04:09did a whole episode about uh damn freaks

0:04:12abducted when harry met sally which is

0:04:13originally sent around christmas and new

0:04:15years and I thought that was a great

0:04:16choice and Aiko inducted groundhog day

0:04:19because Groundhog Day is also a holiday

0:04:21and also a great movie serenity Caldwell

0:04:26had it's a wonderful life Steve let's

0:04:28when the TV route with Charlie Brown

0:04:30Christmas excellent choice and I brought

0:04:33in Miracle on thirty-fourth street so

0:04:36you can you can learn all about the

0:04:39holiday movie evolved last year that's

0:04:41incomparable number 71 71 look it up

0:04:44people and and that brings us to today

0:04:47where we have new selections for the

0:04:50holiday movie evolved and I'm wondering

0:04:51who would like to go first and tell us

0:04:55what thing that they love that they want

0:04:57to permanently Preserve in are very

0:04:59high-quality fault that we ordered on

0:05:01the Internet is this like do this by the

0:05:02same people who made the disney vault or

0:05:05we could not afford that

0:05:07unfortunately the pole vault actually so

0:05:09it's really not really awkward it's the

0:05:11people maybe the Keitel gold records

0:05:14solid gold vaults interesting I sure

0:05:17i'll go first I was shocked shocked i

0:05:20tell you to find that nobody last year

0:05:22picked the seminal 1983 classic a

0:05:26christmas story which you've seen

0:05:29because he runs for 24 hours during xmas

0:05:32on TBS yes it does mr. ossible for you

0:05:35not to have seen it

0:05:36oh I love watching it like two in the

0:05:38morning it's great it's really a ball

0:05:40with the best part about it is that you

0:05:41can start watching at some point and

0:05:42then yes and you can go to bed then you

0:05:44can get a meeting gets the resin dip in

0:05:45and out and you know you come up as we

0:05:48know the most ridiculous thing we bought

0:05:50a DVD of it when you're have no idea

0:05:52what we can see that is correct that is

0:05:53just ridiculous ruins the experience

0:05:55that's not what was that about

0:05:57so it perfectly supports that sort of

0:05:59dipping in and out right because it's

0:06:00kind of well it is an overarching has an

0:06:03overarching plot there are like sort of

0:06:05these little scenes that serve as

0:06:06vignettes so it really does a good job

0:06:09of letting you sort of drop in and pick

0:06:11up just you know a thread and then you

0:06:13could just let it go and then come back

0:06:15later and watch another thread and it's

0:06:18it's it's just a lovely movie iight shot

0:06:21is what you're saying

0:06:22exactly i remember it i remember it's

0:06:24scaring me a little bit when I was a kid

0:06:26because the Santa seen the Santa scene

0:06:28where he kicks and down the slide was

0:06:30like oh very nice and also the shooting

0:06:36your eye out was very traumatic for me

0:06:37oh yeah sure I with that thing i had a

0:06:39BB gun and I had that same fear was like

0:06:41we want to get him

0:06:42it's dangerous and I got my co-host

0:06:44interest i hope i don't misuse it and

0:06:45accidentally somehow shoot and I out of

0:06:48mine or someone else's I here's the deal

0:06:51ken jennings considers jeopardy winner

0:06:53and gentlemen commence collecting his

0:06:55new book out about childhood myths

0:06:57things our parents told us that were

0:06:58wrong and just came out a couple days

0:06:59ago and one of them is about your I

0:07:01would be begun it is in fact true most

0:07:03mrs. book he disapproves but in fact

0:07:05there are enormous number of merchants

0:07:08your room visits of people having shot

0:07:10there I with their guns and BB gun while

0:07:12your eyes are pretty sensitive so it's

0:07:14not really a surprise we talk about the

0:07:15air those airs those intense airsoft

0:07:17rifles are we talking about like a

0:07:19little like one of the ones that you can

0:07:20pump up and maybe guns i think I'm packs

0:07:23of Indian rifles are these guns can

0:07:24produce like a crazy amount of psi so it

0:07:27is an actual worry and that was this

0:07:29week's installment of blending with

0:07:31Jennings

0:07:32they can work your plan works you and

0:07:34Jeffery 100 I've erased all memory of

0:07:37that experience

0:07:38me too oh yeah yeah yeahs a couple

0:07:41things I really love about this movie

0:07:42one I really love the the little brother

0:07:45Randy whose I think my favorite

0:07:46character in the meantime people fight

0:07:48because the Santa got this movie with me

0:07:50when he's under the sink

0:07:52no that was one of the better one for me

0:07:54as always okay why are your arms down

0:07:59when you get to school but also daddy's

0:08:02gonna kill Ralphie which is that is that

0:08:06is a around my family my extended family

0:08:08that that quote comes up fairly often or

0:08:10around around Christmastime can we get

0:08:12some praise for darren mcgavin they're

0:08:14always and you are a man what a great i

0:08:17mean he's a great actor and

0:08:18underappreciated but this it's so

0:08:20actually great and he passed away a few

0:08:22years ago

0:08:23it's so great that as delivery that he

0:08:27isn't the kind of thing guy deserved to

0:08:29be in a in a classic I don't in a

0:08:31timeless classic and this is it the

0:08:32boxes from juillet must be Italian

0:08:36the duck is smiling at us but this is

0:08:41dog its tether little mexican smooth up

0:08:44the mechana seen that always comes back

0:08:46to me is of course the changing the tire

0:08:49on our shop

0:08:50oh I the only he doesn't say yeah my

0:08:55cabin is great and easy particularly

0:08:57great in this because the I think for me

0:08:59the best thing about this film is that

0:09:01is the relationship between Ralphie and

0:09:03dad made a most at least american males

0:09:07I it and certainly myself you know dad

0:09:10is basically this sort of vague presents

0:09:12that that appears after work in the

0:09:15evenings and seems to exist solely to

0:09:17scallops you and tell you you're doing

0:09:18things wrong and it's me and it's just

0:09:21it's absolutely beautiful where you know

0:09:24he's he's asking for the gun from every

0:09:26single entity he can he can consider and

0:09:30you never even thinks of the dad and in

0:09:32the end it's a daddy was aware enough of

0:09:34his son's needs and wants to be the one

0:09:36that sneaks the gun into the house I

0:09:38think that's just great it's so it's a

0:09:40it's it just encapsulated the whole

0:09:43father-son relationship thing to a tee

0:09:46and it does a good job making

0:09:47three-dimensional to write like you know

0:09:49like you're saying there it's just he's

0:09:50he's a natural character there and I

0:09:52don't know I mean I assume like many of

0:09:54you probably that there is an element of

0:09:56that reminds me of my own relationship

0:09:58with my father so i came to this movie

0:10:00really late I this movie was already a

0:10:01classic and I hadn't seen it until like

0:10:03five years ago or something and I you

0:10:05had that moment where you're thinking

0:10:06well it's really on and it is it's great

0:10:08it feels like it's a document that fell

0:10:10out of a you know a time warp from like

0:10:1350 years ago because of the setting and

0:10:15all of that and it it and as a result is

0:10:18so timeless and it's great and and the

0:10:20fact is yeah it has so many of those

0:10:22vignettes in it that it it's in some

0:10:24ways it whoever thought to run it 24

0:10:26hours a day over christmas on TBS is a

0:10:30genius because you really can kind of

0:10:32chop it up in a blender and it doesn't

0:10:34matter it's just kind of charming and

0:10:36fun and nice to see it and I use

0:10:38sometimes i use the word charming a lot

0:10:40to describe the certain kinds of movies

0:10:42and TV shows but i really believe

0:10:44there's something to be said for for

0:10:45that kind of quality of like it just

0:10:47makes me feel good to watch it and it

0:10:49fits nice and it's enjoyable and it's

0:10:51nostalgic in a way and it's just it's

0:10:53got all those all those pieces to it

0:10:55it's got its got a great get tie into

0:10:57that I that I discovered recently which

0:10:59I hadn't thought about which is that the

0:11:02the character of scut Farkus the bully

0:11:05who beat Amon did not realize the

0:11:07recently that he appears in those two

0:11:09sort of flashforward episodes of

0:11:11dollhouse the ones with felicia day he

0:11:14is he's like this because he's this tall

0:11:16redheaded kid and like for some reason

0:11:18when especially when I was growing up

0:11:19because this movie is set

0:11:21it's from the eighties but it is set

0:11:23much earlier I always sort of assumed

0:11:26because it's done so well as a movie of

0:11:28that time I was assumed it was from that

0:11:30era and so when I realized that no this

0:11:33is from the eighties and thus the actors

0:11:35you know who are now in their thirties

0:11:37or forties you know like if it started

0:11:39really strange to see them on TV shows

0:11:41that are modern and like his second

0:11:44house that guy only like 30 now it

0:11:46doesn't make any sense that was the only

0:11:48thing that caused me to disconnect that

0:11:50movie because the mom has this 1980 Cape

0:11:52Kate Capshaw style hair that says they

0:11:55didn't wear hair like that in the

0:11:57forties did they and the dad is Aggies

0:12:00perfectly cast but he's kind of old to

0:12:03have such a young son may be the age

0:12:06difference always intrigued me because

0:12:07she's so much older than his wife and

0:12:10the only way I can explain it as maybe

0:12:12he spent the thirties thinking he'll

0:12:14never have a family there with

0:12:16depression was on you couldn't start a

0:12:17family then it's just because he's an

0:12:19Oldsmobile man it ages you have a vague

0:12:23some historical explanation for these

0:12:25were the days when like you know people

0:12:28used to die in childbirth like we're

0:12:29very very high rates you have to marry a

0:12:31lot of different women just to ensure

0:12:33that one of the would survive to raise

0:12:34the children the 1950s 47-43 this is way

0:12:38more thought than I'd ever given to this

0:12:40but you know you know for you you do

0:12:42know physicians were washing their hands

0:12:44by that point right i mean childbed

0:12:45fever was installed a thing in charlotte

0:12:47was urging shouts idea the on temporary

0:12:50gene Shepard of resin traffic right

0:12:52Urlacher e-book I like you imagine gene

0:12:54Shalit Christmas still that's a very

0:12:58different movie

0:12:59yes year you're going to have a halt

0:13:01holiday thanks to the Christmas story

0:13:03that there's my house i'm wearing that

0:13:05crazy kid pop otay Shepherd served in

0:13:08Korea didn't he was in those World War

0:13:10two

0:13:11he was in a single course so in fact

0:13:13these stories he's telling them in the

0:13:15sixties movie was made the eighties but

0:13:17he was really talking about the thirties

0:13:19originally I don't know the movies

0:13:20center of an indeterminate time that

0:13:22seems like it might be the fifties but

0:13:24these are about this really the thirties

0:13:25he was born in 21

0:13:26so he's nostalgic for someone else's

0:13:28childhood well now i have to recalibrate

0:13:30I'm thinking that the old man is

0:13:31shell-shocked from his trench warfare

0:13:32were one that's that's my new historical

0:13:34one of the trench foot and pick your

0:13:38poison hero palms next steak frites ass

0:13:40and they just weren't appreciated and

0:13:42now he isn't it suspicious that he

0:13:44didn't actually know Italian then I mean

0:13:46think about you clearly he appears to

0:13:48have been I've nothing I got nothing i

0:13:51just running out the next and you drop

0:13:53you drop that that that kid was on

0:13:55fringe but i think last year now a

0:13:57dollhouse for dollhouse right but last

0:13:59year we we dealt with the fact that

0:14:02Peter Billingsley is in elf

0:14:04yes yes and Marilyn line apparently an

0:14:07iron man two original original iron man

0:14:10really yeah and scott schwartz who plays

0:14:13flick went on to do some some you just

0:14:16sell my work as well and work apparently

0:14:17I'm not necessarily genre-specific the

0:14:21kind of enjoyed by geeks billingsley is

0:14:23friends with I think jon favreau the

0:14:25manager I think they do the co-producer

0:14:28hunter right ya know anything more to

0:14:29say about a christmas story please

0:14:32it's a good movie like fantastic limited

0:14:36by like the wind she devised I don't

0:14:38know how else to like the Tin Man next

0:14:46alright so so a christmas story and more

0:14:49in in in the holiday movie halt forever

0:14:53flying and must be discovered that it

0:14:55did steroids and then we might take it

0:14:57out later but otherwise it's in forever

0:14:59whoo-hoo would like to choose next I

0:15:02would like to choose next I stand step

0:15:04for starting value to the bolts & lock

0:15:07me in

0:15:08yes so my film the volunteer condition

0:15:10to go ahead there's no air bizarre

0:15:12condition holiday in a 1942 American

0:15:15musical which is a terrific film it's

0:15:18got being cross be in it it's got Fred

0:15:21Astaire it's musics by Irving Berlin

0:15:23it's like the Christmas see is the

0:15:26American musical easiest thing you could

0:15:28possibly imagine and also is not just

0:15:31about Christmas it's about all kinds of

0:15:33holidays being called holiday and so

0:15:36that the conceit is that being Crosby

0:15:38he's tired of the big city life up there

0:15:40in Manhattan he wants to move out to the

0:15:42country like Greenwich Connecticut or

0:15:44somewhere where it's still country and

0:15:45everything's quiet small in those days

0:15:48and so he wants to start farm and farm

0:15:50doesn't do so well so he decides that

0:15:52he'll take his acting and singing talent

0:15:54and production production town and

0:15:56having left first airing a club in the

0:15:57big city and having lost his girlfriend

0:16:00stare he sets up shop with the idea that

0:16:02he'll run and in just on holidays like

0:16:05Christmas and groundhogs day maybe I

0:16:08don't know

0:16:09well that's it that's a business model

0:16:11that can't fail you can feel that's what

0:16:12spawned a successful the successful

0:16:16hotel chain named after la quinta right

0:16:18and no way that that wrong

0:16:20sorry it's just concerning though that

0:16:22now holiday and has an entirely

0:16:24different meaning than what it actually

0:16:25meant when the movie was made it was

0:16:27confusing the first time I saw the movie

0:16:28I thought something was wrong that hotel

0:16:30that hotel you so only be open on

0:16:32holidays too and they decided you know

0:16:33what we're paying all the staff just to

0:16:36sleep in the bed for 29 days on the

0:16:37month

0:16:38it's a pretty thing well you know that

0:16:40long gap in April and May so the movies

0:16:43full of fantastic music they the one

0:16:46that's best known for of course is white

0:16:48Christmas and there's this tremendously

0:16:50wonderful surreal bit at the end where

0:16:52the front of stair character whose name

0:16:55is Ted Hanover if you created Jim Hardy

0:16:58and Ted Hanover convinces Hollywood to

0:17:02make a movie about holiday inn in the

0:17:05movie holiday inn and so they cut and

0:17:07show you a set at some point and the set

0:17:10is the set we've been watching the

0:17:11entire movie and then they pull back and

0:17:13you see that its asset but they're

0:17:15showing you a set as asset because

0:17:17they're filming it with all the cameras

0:17:19in it as if they were filming the set it

0:17:21is a little surreal for a movie made in

0:17:221942 I liked that bit too but full of

0:17:25great music and we try to watch it every

0:17:27year it's one of the film's in my house

0:17:29set out my wife and I try to bring up

0:17:31your cousin music and it's just a silly

0:17:32plot and that's got you know great

0:17:35singing dancing that kind of thing in it

0:17:38also racism right also raised oh no wait

0:17:41should we just brushed under the carpet

0:17:42snow likely also races absolutely what

0:17:46did anything so it's got a senior so the

0:17:48American tradition religion to be fair

0:17:50christmas story also has its a brief

0:17:52races scene 2 so what's the regular

0:17:54racism I think about the Chinese

0:17:56restaurant is already

0:17:57which is it possible bad because it is

0:18:00so hilarious but at the same time yes

0:18:02terribly rich with so this basically

0:18:04you're saying that this is the racist

0:18:05wing of the holiday movie ball basically

0:18:07saying that Christmas is racist and

0:18:09having been white and Christmas hello

0:18:11lump of coal I mean come on

0:18:14having been in chinese restaurants as a

0:18:16Jew before I married someone who's not

0:18:18Jewish on Christmas day I will say that

0:18:20the you know the Christmas story scene

0:18:22is relatively accurate in many regards

0:18:24so the so the in holiday am that issue

0:18:27is of course lincoln's birthday where

0:18:29the performers apply black face and sing

0:18:31a song called Abraham and it's a little

0:18:35terrifying another the terminally

0:18:36classics from what I was just looking

0:18:38this up to make sure that's right they

0:18:40refused to edit movies they want to show

0:18:41them on edited so they in fact will show

0:18:44the film with this extra tray classic

0:18:47movies and AMC will show the movie with

0:18:51the Abraham seen it and it's usually cut

0:18:54and the first time I saw I'd seen Holly

0:18:56and for years and years and i'm watching

0:18:58I'm like I don't remember them doing

0:18:59abraham lincoln's birthday

0:19:00I don't remember being Crosby putting on

0:19:03blackface old no no

0:19:08and the thing about that scene is like

0:19:10its it opens up with Bing Crosby singing

0:19:12in French first of all being Crosby

0:19:14singing anything that it you know you've

0:19:17screwed up when you do anything that

0:19:19overshadows Bing Crosby singing one of

0:19:21the best vocalist in the 20th century

0:19:23and so it's bad enough because he's he's

0:19:27in this uncle remus costume and it's bad

0:19:29and you're you're like oh my god what a

0:19:32different error this was this is

0:19:33horrifying this is horrible and they

0:19:35started gets the end of the song realize

0:19:37okay they're going to move on to the

0:19:39next holiday is and then the female lead

0:19:41comes onstage in out four hundred times

0:19:45worse most great more racist stereotype

0:19:48like all this it's like it's like a real

0:19:51springtime for Hitler moment for your

0:19:53job is you just know and your job is

0:19:55like on your chest because the phrase

0:19:57like I'm not saying they're not

0:19:59yeah like some part of you is going to

0:20:02look at least get that keyboard

0:20:03background your head saying okay totally

0:20:05different time racism was far far far

0:20:07far different than that was now and then

0:20:09you're like I had no idea how did this

0:20:11get released and people not just like

0:20:14breaking excuse a little bit then you're

0:20:15like okay not that much nobody know but

0:20:18i think the business there's a thing of

0:20:19the time which is that minstrel ism had

0:20:21a long history wasn't purse a racist as

0:20:24a point where developed into that we can

0:20:26have a whole discussion about that black

0:20:28people actually dressed up as minstrels

0:20:30and performed is it's a very often but

0:20:33the weird part to me is not just that

0:20:35but then while these people are singing

0:20:36black face behind them are the black

0:20:39servants in the house including Louise

0:20:42Ellen beavers I look up her name here

0:20:44was plays mammy and like every movie

0:20:46during her lifetime and including this

0:20:48one and her kids are singing along and

0:20:51of course they're black they're not a

0:20:52black face their black with these white

0:20:54people in blackface singing and it's not

0:20:56set up to be funny it's an absolutely

0:20:58serious moment so if you take it for

0:21:01what it is it's actually fine it's just

0:21:04terrifying insight into what was

0:21:06acceptable portrayal wasn't it wasn't a

0:21:09parody or Lampoon but anyway it is just

0:21:12an odd moment movie but you know where

0:21:15we're not confronted with having to see

0:21:16it it actually turns out that all your

0:21:18favorite movies have black faces that

0:21:20have been cut another our shows busters

0:21:22these diehard the die-hard black facing

0:21:25the top that's really true actually you

0:21:27know the worst one is in 2001 a Space

0:21:29Odyssey that is the most offensive

0:21:31blackface scene i have ever ever seen

0:21:34but you got to get the bootleg David

0:21:36really overdoing it

0:21:39yeah yeah it's really it's really

0:21:41horrible you know it's funny what I

0:21:43think I think we may have touched on

0:21:45this briefly in previous podcast but it

0:21:47is fascinating not to get off of holiday

0:21:50movies into crippling racism and culture

0:21:53that's what every podcast involves and

0:21:55the one that always gets me it again not

0:21:58a I'm not holiday-themed per se but

0:22:01actually a tradition that that I i got

0:22:05from from Lisa's husband

0:22:07Oh ducts which is which is a which is

0:22:09the Marx Brothers & duck soup every yes

0:22:123 New Year's Eve we want we watch duck

0:22:13soup and the marketplace duck soup and

0:22:16there is there's actually a number in

0:22:17there that does have a lot of a slightly

0:22:19horrific black facing right in the

0:22:21middle of it with with all four marks

0:22:23reference yes and they're there are

0:22:24several other Marx Brothers movies with

0:22:26similar either lines or or in fact in

0:22:30one movie a whole production number data

0:22:32races that and and that one blows me

0:22:34away because it's like guys you're

0:22:36Jewish you yourself are an oppressed

0:22:38group do you not see what you're doing

0:22:40here but it again it's just something I

0:22:42watched all those movies as a kid and I

0:22:44have no recollection of this i feel like

0:22:46my parents were that's kind of parents

0:22:47would like sit me down and had a talk

0:22:49about it but apparently justice i'm

0:22:51almost i'm almost tempted to change my

0:22:53vote to duck soup and duck soup has

0:22:55nothing to do with the holidays and all

0:22:56but it's a wonderful holiday tradition

0:22:58and it's a it is such an absurd movie to

0:23:00there's ever a little things i like

0:23:01about it's a great hungry New Year's Eve

0:23:03thing and it's short I was my favorite

0:23:04Marx Brothers movie grown ups

0:23:06yeah that's where I got one of my

0:23:07twitter icons because for one of my

0:23:08Twitter streams i have Margaret Dumont

0:23:09is my car Oh from that movie with you

0:23:13have been spalding my house but no one's

0:23:20gonna answer the whole Lake that the

0:23:22market marshmallows yes other than the

0:23:24hundred and the occasional bits of of

0:23:26quite disturbing racism lovely lovely

0:23:29sunday and holiday and so I guess we

0:23:31have to indulge holiday in glitter we

0:23:33inducting it without mr. lincoln's

0:23:35birthday I don't important historical

0:23:37record I think we'll be able to see if

0:23:39you rent it i don't know what the DVD is

0:23:41like and if you rent it rented out if

0:23:43you can read it if you watch it on

0:23:44television get the DVD it's you know

0:23:47it's part of the history of

0:23:49entertainment what people watch the time

0:23:50what our grandparents watched was first

0:23:52out so i think we induct it without the

0:23:55scene with the important recollection

0:23:57that movie was made with this seemed

0:23:59alright fair enough

0:24:00as the inductor you get to decide how we

0:24:03how we view this movie for all time so

0:24:05thank you but one last night I'm holiday

0:24:07inn which I've which I found fascinating

0:24:09they actually took the exact same sets

0:24:12years later when they made white

0:24:15christmas and the holiday the the

0:24:17holiday inn like club is the exact same

0:24:20set they use for the generals lot of the

0:24:23ski lodge in white Christmas

0:24:25so if it's the they turned it around a

0:24:28little bit but it is exactly stick for

0:24:30stick to the same one and you can tell

0:24:32because in holiday in white christmas

0:24:35which is a Technicolor movie they didn't

0:24:37even bother to paint this

0:24:39black-and-white set it is it looks like

0:24:42a black-and-white movie with like the

0:24:43only one that's been colorized with like

0:24:45human skin tones in it i should also

0:24:47point out that that indian taco has his

0:24:49own equivalent of a holiday movie vault

0:24:51and it's a it's down in his basement and

0:24:54that's where white christmas has been

0:24:55locked up and he doesn't feed especially

0:24:57if it's changed out of it puts the

0:25:00lotion on its skin and never ever gets

0:25:03aired again no it's it's the same as the

0:25:06same vault that like they used to put

0:25:08the Hulk in like the first issues the

0:25:09comic to prevent it from getting out and

0:25:11wreaking havoc upon innocent people is

0:25:13the same philanthropy with which I

0:25:15protect people from white Christmas

0:25:17thank you we appreciate it do you

0:25:19spoilers spoilers are you gonna ruin

0:25:21somebody's a beloved holiday movie again

0:25:23this year I i actually have had many

0:25:27requests to lie creature like repeat

0:25:29that episode I am actually in the early

0:25:32stages of preparing what a twitter

0:25:34follower pre professionally described as

0:25:38the detractors commentary of white

0:25:41Christmas I'm going to do my own like

0:25:42rifftrax that's not joking it just

0:25:44simply go shot-by-shot beautiful hissing

0:25:46okay now here's here's the part where I

0:25:49think you could kind of see you kinda

0:25:51see Bing Crosby's but underneath those

0:25:53tighty-whities because the director just

0:25:55didn't care i was framing it didn't even

0:25:57give him a new pair of Underpants I

0:25:59wouldn't say so much

0:26:00there it is everybody look forward to

0:26:02that will be everybody understands

0:26:04remember for next year preview of any

0:26:06not goes next

0:26:07the strategy it's gonna be a big project

0:26:09it's gonna be good let's go from the

0:26:11from horrible racist scenes and hot 11

0:26:14holiday movies to Steve lots of natural

0:26:18transition i don't know how i feel about

0:26:20that

0:26:21what are you gonna do Steve well well

0:26:24actually it might turn out to be a

0:26:25better segue than you think but only

0:26:27very tenuously oh boy ok so we look I

0:26:30haven't already

0:26:32no no Skeletor ball

0:26:34I mentioned at the end of last year's

0:26:36holiday vault that that I was bitter

0:26:38that a christmas story had mentioned and

0:26:40I really wanted to induct that this year

0:26:42but then I caught wind that Dan might

0:26:45want to choose it so in the spirit of

0:26:47Christmas i decided to let him have all

0:26:49because i'm a giver

0:26:51but I did pick another film from the

0:26:55great Bob Clark who is for modern fee

0:26:59it has been marked with peaks and

0:27:00valleys but i believe the peaks are very

0:27:02high indeed i'm talking about like a

0:27:04christmas story he did Porky's baby

0:27:08geniuses to electric babylou i think was

0:27:12his one of those Peaks is the film i've

0:27:15chosen for this year's holiday movie

0:27:17evolved and that is 1974 black christmas

0:27:20you are going to get international

0:27:22production starting it is it is a

0:27:27delightful tale of a sorority house at

0:27:30Christmas break and the psychotic killer

0:27:32living in the Attic who periodically

0:27:34emerges to kill the ones that didn't go

0:27:36home for the holidays was the call

0:27:38coming from inside the house this is

0:27:39great this is great is is the killer see

0:27:42so he stood the killer starts to kill

0:27:44the girls in the sorority house why

0:27:46don't the rest of them leave saying

0:27:48there is a killer there was a horrible

0:27:50kit murder here or if there's a good

0:27:52reason that Jason don't know it'sit's

0:27:53actually brilliant the because it is

0:27:56Christmas break and the girls are you

0:27:57know periodically leaving the sorority

0:27:59house to go home for the holidays or go

0:28:02skiing and naturally just before most of

0:28:05them get dispatched they say something

0:28:06along the lines of I might not be here

0:28:08when you get back because my dad's

0:28:09coming to pick me up and then lo and

0:28:11behold when the person gets back that

0:28:12that person is our molecules but is in

0:28:14fact there because the killer is keeping

0:28:16his his his trophies in the Attic

0:28:19oh just like John McCain no one ever

0:28:21notices the smell or nothing really

0:28:24apparently not

0:28:24apparently not although i excuse you

0:28:26have up there it's you do get perfect

0:28:29and it's apparently soundproof as well

0:28:32because this guy does as Glenn mentioned

0:28:34make quite a few phone calls to the to

0:28:37the residents of the sorority house

0:28:39really it's really awkward but it's on a

0:28:41party-line to write get off the phone

0:28:44kill your mom come on the phone but no

0:28:46this is

0:28:46this is easily the best of the Christmas

0:28:48based horror movies and I think one of

0:28:50the best horror movies at the seventies

0:28:52period i hesitate to call it a slasher

0:28:54film because i think it is higher

0:28:56quality than most of those but pretty

0:28:58much every slasher that came afterwards

0:29:00crib from it in that black christmas i

0:29:02think introduce the sorority house

0:29:04setting the camera shots taken from the

0:29:07point of view of the killer which i

0:29:09think most people would attribute to

0:29:10halloween was done here for years

0:29:13earlier the repeated phone calls from

0:29:15the killer as i mentioned and these are

0:29:17much much worse than just the check the

0:29:19kids this is actually some really creepy

0:29:21schizophrenic sounding stuff with the

0:29:23guy uses multiple voices and speaks as a

0:29:25child sometimes and occasionally just

0:29:27drops into totally normal speech

0:29:29patterns and indeed plan the call is

0:29:33coming from inside the house so you work

0:29:35you were correct there I was worried for

0:29:37a second we're going to pick a black

0:29:38yellow Christmas notes that's a good one

0:29:41too though right you know i just i'm not

0:29:43i'm not super familiar this but I

0:29:45wouldn't look at the wikipedia page what

0:29:46we're talking and notice that this in a

0:29:48tie into our earlier discussion cured

0:29:50aaliyah's in this movie here 2001 Fame

0:29:54also Olivia Hussey who was in romeo and

0:29:57juliet juliet Margot Kidder and Margot

0:30:00Kidder here playing that here playing

0:30:02away from type as a drunk kind of a pic

0:30:07oh this is the darkest holiday would

0:30:11evolve ever so it's wonderful it's a

0:30:13wonderful film whose Andrea Martin plan

0:30:15this film well I don't seem it and she's

0:30:17got more Andrea Martin he's somewhat

0:30:19attractive semi amusing friend

0:30:21well the sorority girls with the curly

0:30:23hair and glasses who she's really more

0:30:26of an accessory she doesn't really rise

0:30:27to or two I do i think the fast lane

0:30:30choice her talents but it's it's a

0:30:32wonderful summer film this is a

0:30:35Christmas Eve and you only a scary one

0:30:37it's it's a good thing thrown the DVD

0:30:40player wire wrapping gifts or stabbing

0:30:42gifts with a knife over and you're

0:30:43somewhere so when the cancer sleep

0:30:45upstairs you're assembling all the toys

0:30:47there you go you have after you've put

0:30:49together the bike with the Japanese

0:30:50instructions and you're in a bitter

0:30:52bitter mood this is the this is the way

0:30:54to go

0:30:54at least somebody's having a worst

0:30:56Christmas Eve than I am just don't have

0:30:57don't have the volume up to louder

0:30:59one of your kids will come downstairs to

0:31:01be like what do you want God it does

0:31:04have very little blood so if you happen

0:31:06to be somebody who's squeamish that's

0:31:08actually a pretty decent film for for

0:31:09you know horror beginners and contrary

0:31:14to the template that Halloween started

0:31:16the Virgin dies first

0:31:18so it's actually an improvement over

0:31:19what came later it was between this and

0:31:21home alone

0:31:25I think you did a good job by by another

0:31:29psychopathic keeps picking people off

0:31:30one-by-one during the holidays and

0:31:32inside a house that's right

0:31:34die hard 2 also somebody skulks around

0:31:36killing people inside a big house that I

0:31:39think about our mothers our headlight

0:31:41different holiday and no one is killed

0:31:44to my knowledge accepting the same that

0:31:47they removed spoken of murder see all by

0:31:49briefly considered I hard to for my

0:31:52choice this year but us decided that

0:31:54it's not as good as die hard one

0:31:56it's not the sequels rarely are still

0:31:59still decent still better than a lot of

0:32:01crap your action movies but you know

0:32:03what it doesn't quite capture the magic

0:32:04I think we should move on because I'm

0:32:06going sir

0:32:07yes I know it's starting to get dark in

0:32:10here

0:32:10let's all it so let's go to Andy next

0:32:14you didn't put a halt it is involved i

0:32:17I'm entering it in the vault now in the

0:32:19back of the values extremes to put

0:32:21involved in your screams of horror from

0:32:23the vault when it entered I thought

0:32:25maybe there was an alternative all that

0:32:26you were putting that it i'm telling you

0:32:28i'm looking for Donnelly this podcasting

0:32:30hear all those special of sound effects

0:32:32will be laying in hear the creaking the

0:32:34fall to the screaming and that's gonna

0:32:36be awesome

0:32:36it is IMVU podcast listener

0:32:40Oh holiday and has just mysteriously

0:32:42disappeared from the ball it's coming

0:32:45from inside the vault oh no it's cool

0:32:48though is it was gonna dip out for you

0:32:50know some eggnog so it'll probably back

0:32:52later it's going to get phone call

0:32:53though it's coming from inside the vault

0:32:54so good huh yeah any what do you got

0:32:59well you got a topic what was horrible

0:33:05what horrible thing will be emanating

0:33:06from your heart warming christmas

0:33:08special

0:33:11well I we talk this afternoon you

0:33:14reminded me that I actually talked about

0:33:16the sctv holiday special last year so

0:33:19let's consider that already there even

0:33:21though was sort of snuck in under an

0:33:23asterisk I decided in lil in lieu of

0:33:26that to talk about what is actually a

0:33:30legitimate sincere beloved holiday TV

0:33:33classic for me every year this this show

0:33:37comes on every year

0:33:39I not only watch it I'm like they're 10

0:33:41minutes early I'm excited like a kid for

0:33:44the show to come on and when the show

0:33:46ends i am just so happy and so thankful

0:33:50that Christmas exists and it really is

0:33:53Christmas when the show airs and again

0:33:55it sounds like i'm going to be sarcastic

0:33:56then say it's about the seals and Crofts

0:33:59robot robot Christmas crowd cartoon of

0:34:011974 no no I'm being sincere here it is

0:34:04the last show of late show with david

0:34:07letterman before Christmas it is the

0:34:10unofficial david letterman holiday

0:34:12special never announced never promote

0:34:15promoted that way but they do the exact

0:34:17same show each and every season each

0:34:19with a certain segment that you know

0:34:21it's coming but it's the greatest thing

0:34:23ever

0:34:24so they this is paul shaffer is going to

0:34:27tell from from behind the piano is going

0:34:29to tell the story about him watching the

0:34:32share Christmas special Sonny and Cher

0:34:34christmas special in the mid-seventies

0:34:36always the same script as oh it always

0:34:38kills only yeah you mentioned that she

0:34:45wasn't she was in Victorian clothes

0:34:47her hands were in a month pause for the

0:34:49laughs from the audience every time okay

0:34:52Jay Thomas comes on as a guest

0:34:56he tells the story about the time that

0:34:57he and his friend gave the lone ranger a

0:34:59ride back from her from a car show

0:35:01appearance that he and a he and Dave

0:35:04will like take turns throwing footballs

0:35:07at a Christmas tree with a giant

0:35:08meatball on the top of it they're going

0:35:10to take turns throwing these footballs

0:35:12and trying to knock the meatball off the

0:35:14tree and sometimes Jake sometimes

0:35:16sometimes jay thomas gets it sometimes

0:35:18David Letterman gets it but you can see

0:35:20every single time they really really

0:35:23want to be the one who

0:35:24it's two knocks the meatball off the

0:35:26tree this year and then but the but the

0:35:28the best part of all

0:35:31Darlene love singing christmas baby

0:35:33because problem yeah and maybe the first

0:35:35time they ever did this it was done like

0:35:38almost any other musical appearance on

0:35:40the show extremely well produced well

0:35:41done but nothing spectacular about it

0:35:44but you can sort of you can also tell

0:35:46that everyone associated with this show

0:35:48wants this to be the best five minutes

0:35:50they do every single year there's they

0:35:53bring a chorus that bring an orchestra

0:35:55they bring soloists they find a new way

0:35:58to get the saxophone player in for his

0:36:00big saxophone solo I'm really looking

0:36:02forward to it especially this year

0:36:03because the sex of their regular

0:36:05saxophone player left earlier this

0:36:07season and now there's a new guy in

0:36:09there I don't know if he's going to fill

0:36:10in where they're going to get the old

0:36:11guy back in yet

0:36:12you can tell by this is a smile on my

0:36:14face that's about eight miles wide

0:36:16I love this each and every year and

0:36:19possibly it's because one common thread

0:36:23through a lot of these things we've been

0:36:24talking about our favorite favorite

0:36:25Christmas shows a lot of it is just its

0:36:27associated with so many really great

0:36:29memories that we a christmas story comes

0:36:31on at some point and we're gonna be

0:36:33seeing it through the course of the day

0:36:34it's gonna be tied into whatever we do

0:36:35on Christmas each and every year

0:36:37Letterman shows but I've been watching

0:36:39the show since I was a kid it what

0:36:41didn't exist before be before I was a

0:36:44teenager and it wasn't designed to be

0:36:48this this commercial sort of thing

0:36:50that's going to sell products and sell

0:36:51advertising it just feels as though it

0:36:53just grew naturally and organically and

0:36:55everybody including the audience is just

0:36:57enjoying every damn second of it so I'm

0:37:01looking forward to if ever I i got my

0:37:03schedule screwed up and I missed it i

0:37:05would really have to petition like the

0:37:07internet saying that somebody record

0:37:09this and post the video because I can't

0:37:12have my christmas until I see the

0:37:13lettermen christmas show amazing that

0:37:15they you know they essentially do the

0:37:16same thing over here every year why not

0:37:19david has the same show every night

0:37:21that's true oh zing you got a point for

0:37:24backpack that's right Dave I'm sorry he

0:37:29couldn't hear you over the sound of the

0:37:31kennedy center honor that you receive

0:37:33as one of the leading contributors to

0:37:35American entertainment now I just didn't

0:37:37hear about that because I stopped

0:37:38watching him 10 years ago when he

0:37:39stopped being funny you know you weren't

0:37:42always sing bird finding worried so what

0:37:45do you have to contribute to the the the

0:37:48increasingly crowded and come on holiday

0:37:51movie volt the 1968 classic the lion in

0:37:55winter good one

0:37:57thank you it's the story of Christmas

0:38:01with Henry the second Eleanor of

0:38:03Aquitaine and their three squabbling a

0:38:05surviving sons to give you a little

0:38:08backstory Henry and Eleanor one of

0:38:10history's original fun couples she tried

0:38:15to have him overthrown and in turn he

0:38:17had imprisoned but because they were big

0:38:20on appearances he freed her for

0:38:21Christmas every year and during so this

0:38:25takes place with her being you know

0:38:26wrote on a barge up from prison to the

0:38:28family stronghold where Henry has been

0:38:31shacking up with his son's fiancee

0:38:33this is fine by his son Richard because

0:38:35Richard wasn't exactly into the ladies

0:38:37and over the course of the next I want

0:38:42to say 36 hours that the movie takes

0:38:44place the sun's conspire to kill one or

0:38:47both of their parents Henry and Eleanor

0:38:49squabble reconcile squabble reconcile

0:38:51blah blah at infinitum and the whole

0:38:55thing is just a meditation on the

0:38:56madness of going home for the holidays

0:38:58and seeing the relatives you know you

0:38:59know will drive you nuts and the the

0:39:02dialogue the odd katharine hepburn place

0:39:05Eleanor of Aquitaine peter o'toole is

0:39:08brilliant as Henry the second a

0:39:11comparatively young Anthony haha Anthony

0:39:14Hopkins is Richard Timothy oh god

0:39:18Timothy Dalton that's his name Timothy

0:39:19Dalton plays the King of France who

0:39:22happens to have had been having things

0:39:24to do with Richard on the side and and

0:39:27BB you come for that you you come for

0:39:29the 1183 imager you stay for the

0:39:31dialogue because it's got some of the

0:39:33best lines that you're ever going to

0:39:34hear in cinema i love that bit but she

0:39:36throws herself doses every family has

0:39:38its ups and downs but now there's

0:39:42there's a scene where after after after

0:39:43the Sun seven prison both Henry and

0:39:45Eleanor

0:39:46and stuck them in the in the dungeons to

0:39:48figure out what to do with them

0:39:49there's this beautiful scene where

0:39:50Katherine Hepburn turns to Pedro to

0:39:52lances I have a confession i'm afraid i

0:39:56don't much like our children

0:39:58well this that I think aaron sorkin

0:40:01frequently quotes the line about the

0:40:02about the man falling down which i

0:40:05believe is from here which was

0:40:07yeah it'sit's when the falls on all that

0:40:08was left yes it matters anyway I don't

0:40:10know how you fall one of the Alliance

0:40:13that we used to what shall we hang the

0:40:15Holly or each other is one that comes up

0:40:17a lot i'm not a huge katharine hepburn

0:40:20fan I think she tells I think she I

0:40:22think she veers towards the gimmicky I

0:40:24mean it's a hell of a screen it's a hell

0:40:26of a screen presence but i'm always

0:40:27going to prefer Rosalind Russell to

0:40:29Katharine Hepburn in terms of grand old

0:40:31downs and but i have to say that I can't

0:40:34see Roz Russell doing this one and

0:40:36there's a point where cats were on

0:40:38Elinor's fondly recalling when she went

0:40:41on the Crusades because she was a huge

0:40:42backup the Second Crusade and she went

0:40:44out and it's kind of a big deal but I'm

0:40:45and the line is I even made pour lui her

0:40:48first husband King of France Louie take

0:40:51me on crusade how's that for blast to be

0:40:53addressed my maids Amazons and rode bare

0:40:55breasted halfway to Damascus Louie had a

0:40:57seizure and I damn near died of wind

0:40:59burn but the troops were dazzled equinix

0:41:01just circle maybe it's in the every line

0:41:04is this beautiful setup and the

0:41:05knockdown and setup and the knockdown um

0:41:07and and the music is fantastic

0:41:11I best of all it's not a ren fair or in

0:41:14SC a type of oh the nobility is clean

0:41:17and and the sets are gorgeous and rumors

0:41:20gowns I it's just it's grainy the only

0:41:23way you can tell Henry that the king is

0:41:24you can be bothered to put on a circle

0:41:26and he's just as grainy and and shovels

0:41:28everybody else there are dogs sleeping

0:41:30under the table people are sleeping on

0:41:32piles of strong the Florence is very

0:41:33true to life it to what it was and I

0:41:36think that had something to it as well

0:41:37it's again if you are going if you're

0:41:40going home for the holidays only with

0:41:41the greatest of reluctance or you are

0:41:43stealing yourself for some inevitable

0:41:44relative showing up

0:41:46watch this movie ahead of time because

0:41:47you will be smirking to yourself the

0:41:49rest of the holiday season and this is a

0:41:51screenplay is James golden who's the the

0:41:55brother of william goldman yeah there's

0:41:58there's a remake they did a couple years

0:41:59ago the BBC did were i believe it's the

0:42:01BBC it's patrick stewart as Henry the

0:42:04second and Glenn Close is Eleanor I

0:42:07haven't worked out for the DVD yet and

0:42:09I'd love to see Patrick Stewart I'm just

0:42:11not not sure I want to see Glenn Close

0:42:13that makes sense but maybe youtube can

0:42:16do a mashup where it's patrick stewart

0:42:18and Katharine Hepburn that sound again

0:42:20gauge but it's well worth i'm not i'm

0:42:23not sure returning classic movies is

0:42:24going to show it during the holiday

0:42:26season but they usually show it during

0:42:28their third 31 days of Oscar so keep an

0:42:32eye out for items for 24 hours and just

0:42:34dip in dependent value Y is y is y is

0:42:38Jeffrey advocating mutiny what is going

0:42:40on why are they had a Chinese restaurant

0:42:42knows dance move i have never seen this

0:42:44movie I I am blown away i need to see

0:42:47this i is forever different fantastic

0:42:50never T the chew the scenery they spit

0:42:53it out they create new scenery to shoe

0:42:55and spin it again and it's historically

0:42:57barely accurate peter o'toole is

0:43:00fantastic because he makes you what he

0:43:02make he makes you understand than half

0:43:03of being a king is convincing other

0:43:05people that your kingly and then that's

0:43:08in the other actors who are stuck with

0:43:10planning & Sons actually do a fantastic

0:43:11job of explaining how the Plantagenet

0:43:14dynasty was kind of do before it started

0:43:15because that you know Henry the second

0:43:17was kind of the peak of it was all

0:43:18downhill after that even though Richard

0:43:19was technically the lion-hearted he

0:43:21bankrupted England and you know John

0:43:24prompted the Magna Carta it's come for

0:43:27the dialogue stay for the acting I just

0:43:29really this is one of my desert island

0:43:31movies as well as one of my Christmas

0:43:33favorites so I really love this movie

0:43:35you handing back on his heels like Lou

0:43:38visualize that's a good sign to know

0:43:41that they had it so I had a sort of war

0:43:43myself to say Andy shut up because this

0:43:45is sort of movie you can spend 30

0:43:47minutes talking about another let's say

0:43:48we get a word in edgewise is it is an

0:43:51intensely solid choice it is also it is

0:43:54also on that list of movies where it's

0:43:56like okay well i only get it at that's

0:43:58great i put in a lot of work together to

0:44:00finish this thing on time and got maybe

0:44:02another 45 minutes worth of work but

0:44:04they're not expecting it till noon and

0:44:06that's two or three hours away

0:44:07I'm good I'll definitely make this the

0:44:09consensus on time like all

0:44:11wrap this movies on this my husband and

0:44:14I can I know I can't do anything but

0:44:16watch this

0:44:17oh damn it will act of god what I do

0:44:20it's America know and it's just there's

0:44:22it's such a good movie

0:44:23oh yeah maybe it really it really

0:44:25underscores absolutely like why Peter

0:44:28O'Toole is one of the greatest actors

0:44:30that that the passing of the years I've

0:44:32ever you get that had been working the

0:44:33past 50 years because you see him when

0:44:36he's on you see like a Richard Harrison

0:44:38peter o'toole the other actors like when

0:44:40they are mostly down to playing you know

0:44:44Richard Harris or peter o'toole exactly

0:44:46that you have to see you see him on the

0:44:47chalk shows and they have these great

0:44:49stories about being drunk actors in

0:44:51their early twenties and they're great

0:44:52stories but you forget that these are

0:44:54these people who were on some sort of

0:44:56reality show and that's how the name is

0:44:57out there they got there they became

0:44:59famous actors after 15 years of nothing

0:45:02but great role after great role after

0:45:05great role and this my I think I i think

0:45:08that this is only my second favorite

0:45:10peter o'toole performance beyond the

0:45:12only second only to his role in the

0:45:14stuntman because if there is ever a

0:45:17stuntman te plaît plays he plays as

0:45:20that crazy director exactly please King

0:45:23in in that movie he plays God in this

0:45:26one because he plays a direct a director

0:45:28who like within this for this realm is

0:45:30like any if I want something to happen

0:45:32it happens because I wanted it to happen

0:45:34if you're on my set I control and really

0:45:37completely you don't know whether he's

0:45:39insane or a genius but that is the

0:45:41that's the only other roller can say oh

0:45:43it's such a hard choice to make between

0:45:45those do anyway you can practically see

0:45:47Anthony Hopkins picking up tips and his

0:45:49scenes quickly and Hawkins has a good

0:45:52seem to when to let you have a family

0:45:56dynamics put up there are five minute

0:45:59there are six main characters Alice the

0:46:00mistress Henry and Eleanor the

0:46:02squabbling monarch / parents and then

0:46:04the three sons Richard Jeffrey the

0:46:06conniving little Sun and then John

0:46:08two-out-of-three these guys become kings

0:46:10the way the way the loyalty split up is

0:46:13Richard back to his mother when she

0:46:15tried to overthrow Henry and put their

0:46:17now deceased brother and put their now

0:46:19deceased son Henry on the throne

0:46:21there's a lot of Henry's and John back

0:46:23his father and Jeffrey plays

0:46:25both sides against the middle and

0:46:26actually tries to make an end around and

0:46:28run around everybody but there's there's

0:46:31a scene where Henry is wondering why

0:46:32Richard never warmed to him and and why

0:46:35there's this huge disconnect and anthony

0:46:37hopkins you could have called you could

0:46:39have called anytime and i would have

0:46:41come to your side and you never once

0:46:42looked at me and I've seen this movie

0:46:45about I'd say 1015 times and everytime i

0:46:49see that seen it still breaks my heart

0:46:50and that's because it feels fresh every

0:46:52time that it's it's good acting

0:46:54it's it's not hackneyed it's not cliche

0:46:56it's not one of those things where you

0:46:59know what's coming you can practically

0:47:00mouth the dialogue it's just it's very

0:47:01fresh organic moment and again the

0:47:04writing a snap-in brilliant there is not

0:47:06a bad performance of a lot the

0:47:09historical details really throw you and

0:47:1122 of the mindset we understand how it

0:47:15can be that parents and children are

0:47:16actively scheming to kill each other

0:47:19I'm just ended set of Christmas so it's

0:47:21best we can but it really basically the

0:47:25same plot as Black Christmas so but most

0:47:27most film spring spring from Black

0:47:29Christmas there are no virgins to be

0:47:31killed in this film so you know everyone

0:47:32loves her a Jason confused about

0:47:35something I think there's still one

0:47:37package left to open tonight

0:47:39contact it's left to open yes that's

0:47:41right we could save for the next night

0:47:43of Hanukkah is it isn't alone offers a

0:47:45full of burning crap or is it full of

0:47:47something delightful it is full of

0:47:49delightfully burning crap i have my my

0:47:53selections and first I'm going to say

0:47:54that that the guy i had to choose

0:47:56between two episodes of animated TV

0:48:00series that aired on fox

0:48:01so it was it was a close one because I

0:48:04dearly love and perhaps will induct a

0:48:06future holiday movie vault the episode

0:48:10of futurama called xmas story where in

0:48:13where in Santa is a murderous robot that

0:48:16duh strikes fear into the population of

0:48:19Earth as he tries to kill everybody

0:48:20voice of John Goodman which I believe

0:48:23they actually didn't air originally

0:48:27because they were afraid of how awful i

0:48:29think i confirm this with david cohen

0:48:31sorry glinting when I when the

0:48:33mysterious came on and

0:48:35it was they had a delayed i think a year

0:48:37because it was so horrifying and

0:48:39terrifying to the studio executives and

0:48:41only they could bring themselves to air

0:48:42it but by the next year they'd already

0:48:43destroyed the show viewership enough the

0:48:46studio was willing to bet that was going

0:48:48to show it because i didn't think i was

0:48:49watching it because Cassandra is like

0:48:51weapons and he tries to kill everybody

0:48:53that's a and and uh not as good as Black

0:48:55Christmas it's it's good and that's how

0:48:58they celebrate xmas in the year 3000

0:49:01this is they they honor the murderous

0:49:03Santa and the the episode here's a

0:49:05little trivia bit the episode begins

0:49:07with the super title based on a true

0:49:10story

0:49:11who why but no i'm not i'm not actually

0:49:15gonna gonna pick that one instead i'm

0:49:16going to pick an episode of the Fox

0:49:18animated series the tick called the

0:49:23tickle of Santa but it was a saturday

0:49:26morning cartoon show on Fox before it

0:49:28became a brief and brilliant light

0:49:32action comedy on Fox and primetime and

0:49:35the animation is crude but the writing

0:49:38is incredibly sharp the writing is a

0:49:39sharp as the animation is crude and Fox

0:49:43actually aired this episode in primetime

0:49:44as a kind of a Christmas special and

0:49:48it's great it's really clever the idea

0:49:51is there's a department store addresses

0:49:53a department store Santa and he he he's

0:49:56a criminal and he gets accidentally

0:49:58electrocuted but rather than dying he he

0:50:01has this superpower where multiple

0:50:04versions amount of himself created and

0:50:06this is created a super villain known as

0:50:08multiple Santa multiple Santa decides to

0:50:11go of it ultimately to the city dam

0:50:13which is hydroelectric power and he's

0:50:16going to electrocute himself and create

0:50:18an army of millions of multiple Santa's

0:50:20each of whom basically just says 00 over

0:50:25and over again as they swarmed the city

0:50:27creating chaos and and just horrible

0:50:31crimes that happen

0:50:32so that's that's the that's your

0:50:34superhero plot and it has to be thwarted

0:50:35by the tech in his sidekick arthur but

0:50:38maybe the best thing about it is the

0:50:40tech is this character who is a who is

0:50:42very innocent and and we learn early on

0:50:45in this in this episode that he believes

0:50:47in Santa completely you

0:50:48is he he's a believer in sand and this

0:50:50episode walks a line because it's the

0:50:51children's cartoon that adults watched

0:50:56include me but it is it was on

0:50:58originally in you know the daytime it

0:51:01and and so it never takes a position on

0:51:04Santa being real or not but the tick

0:51:06does the tick believes that's that Santa

0:51:08is real and Arthur doesn't and what ends

0:51:11up happening is because he's upset that

0:51:14the multiple Santa because he thinks

0:51:15it's anna turns out it's not Santa

0:51:18however Israel and in fact Santa is a

0:51:21almost a he's surrounded by Secret

0:51:25Service like group of elves and big red

0:51:29is on the rooftop big red is coming down

0:51:31the stairs now so so big red santa the

0:51:35real Santa decides to meet with the

0:51:36ticket Arthur and they see his whole

0:51:38security contingent which is elves

0:51:40literally Secret Service agent elves

0:51:42they've got dark glasses and little ear

0:51:43pieces and the tip comes and briefs them

0:51:46about about how it gives him a pep talk

0:51:48and says you got to take care of

0:51:49multiple Santa and as he's doing this he

0:51:51occasionally just hands presence to them

0:51:53just like it here have this and

0:51:56communities talk because that's that's

0:51:59it Santa Claus right so is taken streets

0:52:01like okay Santa Israel and then they

0:52:03have to go and they they have to stop

0:52:06the multiple Santa and and you know it

0:52:08was ridiculous and just I think that the

0:52:10the climax at the city damn where

0:52:13they've got the hydroelectric plant and

0:52:15any and of course it all works out and

0:52:17and Santa thanks them for their service

0:52:19and all that but i love it because it's

0:52:21it's a it's funny it's a it's got a nice

0:52:25take not quite as murderous as the xmas

0:52:27santa from futurama but still it's funny

0:52:30the bad guy is not just one Santa but

0:52:32many many Santas and who they're up to

0:52:35no good and then the real Santa has to

0:52:37come and and give the assignment and

0:52:40he's treated with a sort of proper

0:52:41reference so it's a it's a it's a gym

0:52:44and I think it's on

0:52:45I don't know if it's on streaming but i

0:52:46know that the tick a season two I

0:52:49believe is on DVD of the animated series

0:52:51is all on DVD now and i love it and it's

0:52:53a great series but the tickle of Santa

0:52:55great episode so I want to toss it in

0:52:58the vault original comic books i read

0:53:00the watch

0:53:01the original cartoon series one area and

0:53:03reruns and I even mildly enjoyed the

0:53:06crazy live-action series our little

0:53:09which I love because the Creator has

0:53:11been was last name is lieutenant yeah

0:53:13but his thing is you know we were

0:53:15negotiating for the cartoon my lawyer

0:53:17said just keep something back he was

0:53:19going to keep something back so we

0:53:20decided to keep back the live-action

0:53:22rights because no one's ever gonna make

0:53:24a lot of action version of this while

0:53:27Ben Edlund who went on to work on Angel

0:53:28and firefly believe and also

0:53:30supernatural well very clear that the

0:53:34tickets a great character and that is a

0:53:35great episode

0:53:36don't let don't let the cheap cheap

0:53:38animation fool you that the three

0:53:40seasons of the animated tick and the

0:53:42live-action 1r are great but being

0:53:45married holiday everyone was trying to

0:53:46think what TV episodes have had TV shows

0:53:48with Christmas episodes have I really

0:53:50liked my thought about I thought about

0:53:52it for a while i was thinking about

0:53:53dramas and very special Christmas

0:53:55episodes and also kind of modeling

0:53:57christmas episode of mash and things

0:53:59like that and suddenly I was like oh you

0:54:01know what it's the tick I i love outside

0:54:03of the Charlie Brown Christmas that

0:54:04would be the next place i would go for a

0:54:06tad animated Christmas think so strongly

0:54:09Caldwell related tick trivia which is

0:54:12that Josh believe it was originally

0:54:13supposed to be our threw them off and

0:54:15live-action version of the show but they

0:54:17wouldn't release them from sports night

0:54:18even though the show had been canceled

0:54:20ah shameful i know it only last about

0:54:23seven episodes 4 episodes a lot of

0:54:25Andrews that's also on DVD i have those

0:54:26that's great that's great great

0:54:29yeah and created by created in in my

0:54:31locale was published by New England

0:54:33comics yes my comic book store growing

0:54:35up

0:54:36me too yeah they have a waiver I guess

0:54:39the recoloring all the old dishes of the

0:54:40original theory they're gonna we're

0:54:42gonna sell the hell out of those 12

0:54:43issues whatever I mean there are only

0:54:45yet 12 or 13 I had one once and if you

0:54:48have to wear is though there's a

0:54:49collection I mean I did those issues are

0:54:52available in many forms because you know

0:54:54comics can keep making money on the

0:54:56night

0:54:56it's like a large building i have my

0:54:58flaming carrot comics but i do not have

0:55:00takes oh yeah i wish' i wish the tix

0:55:04rights were kind of resolved better

0:55:08because that would be nice to see see

0:55:10more more stuff than there is in in high

0:55:12school my friend

0:55:14and occasionally comfortable contributor

0:55:16Jason tachi and I designed a tick

0:55:19role-playing game

0:55:20wow that was hilarious like basically

0:55:23just makes used to like screw around for

0:55:24a couple hours on the computer and come

0:55:26up with ridiculous rules for a game i

0:55:28think it had skills including like

0:55:29doorknob operation was a skill in that

0:55:32came and many other references to the

0:55:35series 19 vulnerability that kind of

0:55:37stuff I so I i should say yes and he's

0:55:40nine vulnerable not completely dry and I

0:55:42invulnerable up one thing that I'm not

0:55:46not Christmas but Thanksgiving at my

0:55:49notice

0:55:50Michael Gartenberg who is our our pal

0:55:52and was on the stretcher to episode

0:55:54every year watches the to Thanksgiving

0:55:58episode of the west wing on thanksgiving

0:56:00and i actually had a little bit of time

0:56:02while I was preparing a Thanksgiving

0:56:04dinner and I watched by watching one of

0:56:07the lobby

0:56:08I i well Indians in the lobby and uh

0:56:10what's the other one called well no no

0:56:14no Thomas one it's the one with the

0:56:16Chinese immigrants who are Christians

0:56:19and therefore triple-a Shiva left yeah

0:56:21yeah

0:56:21excellent you know those are pretty good

0:56:22i have my criticisms of especially later

0:56:25days west wing Sorkin but those are

0:56:28pretty good too but just to throw them

0:56:30out there as some nice holiday episode

0:56:32for holidays that aren't in december

0:56:34because not all holidays are in december

0:56:37as the holiday and taught us along with

0:56:40the lesson about horrible radar look

0:56:43thanks go ahead there's a darker episode

0:56:46that i didn't expect no one expects the

0:56:51spanish inquisition Christmas itself but

0:56:53as a Jew I don't really have much

0:56:54experience with this Christmas thing

0:56:56that gets me you know there are there

0:56:57any good Hanukkah anything's I don't

0:56:59think that you are you know you're

0:57:01alienating the Hebrew ever actually the

0:57:04hebrew hammer is an excellently I will I

0:57:06will seriously lyerly is the co-star no

0:57:09no it's judy greer one match your career

0:57:11planning a better to degrade and Adam

0:57:14Goldstein and it's an animal is his

0:57:16hammer is MC Hammer in that know if

0:57:19you're not and you're not familiar with

0:57:20the overhand no no no

0:57:22so it is basically the interval another

0:57:23black white asian films

0:57:26but about cruising with whole arias and

0:57:28awesome would it be safe for college

0:57:30exploitations it is in fact an often

0:57:32called a disappointing isn't very funny

0:57:34but yes he's kinda got an afro sort of

0:57:36pimped out but he's got superpowers this

0:57:38great bit where he engineer fighting

0:57:40andy dick was santa claus's son who's

0:57:43killed Santa class i think and wants to

0:57:45take over all holidays and they're

0:57:47fighting away and then the sun goes down

0:57:49there like oh jus powers fading is the

0:57:51Sabbath in the potty training other

0:57:53powers sometimes it's a really i don't i

0:57:55saw it in the theater

0:57:56believe it or not are you standing there

0:57:59was fantastic is a great movie is on

0:58:01netflix streaming you can get their

0:58:02Mario Van Peebles is actually in this

0:58:04movie to Peter Coyote it's a crazy crazy

0:58:07film melvin van peebles in this movie

0:58:10well sure i highly highly recommended

0:58:12isn't always the best Hanukkah related

0:58:14movie one setting aside eight crazy

0:58:16nights I mean it isn't the LC your

0:58:19there's one other isn't there now we

0:58:21don't we don't admit that exists so uh

0:58:22what one of these days what we need to

0:58:25do is get get even more negative and

0:58:26talk about the things that we would like

0:58:27to put a holiday movie purgatory but

0:58:30that would probably be another podcast

0:58:31the holiday movie incinerator bank and

0:58:35pass but not now

0:58:37and Andy besides that Sandy's gig right

0:58:39rankin/bass isn't that bad and he's the

0:58:41guy who brings you down with your

0:58:43beloved with your beloved na old things

0:58:45that was very emissary of God on this

0:58:48plane I don't find the standards for

0:58:50sanity for the rest yeah that's how it

0:58:52is you have a problem with that take it

0:58:53up with God not with me

0:58:55okay well with that hear the sound

0:58:58effects that you candy is requesting

0:59:00that I'm not going to put it of the

0:59:01vault door is being closed and slam shot

0:59:04for another year

0:59:07this has been this has been great this

0:59:09was a lot of fun and I got some more

0:59:11movies that i need to go watch including

0:59:13the line and winter from Lisa that's a

0:59:14good one that I had not even double

0:59:17features with the hebrew hammer very

0:59:18well that's good that's good at holiday

0:59:21inn but only the 1si it's like chocolate

0:59:23pretzels you wouldn't think about it i

0:59:25will soon as you take them together wow

0:59:27yeah all right so this is great i want

0:59:29to thank everybody for coming

0:59:31Lisa thanks for being here alright

0:59:33thanks guys by inflation thank you for

0:59:35bringing your selection and I thank you

0:59:37for tolerating me

0:59:38yes no I appreciate

0:59:40for another year thank you yes for

0:59:41another year indian taco thank you very

0:59:44much

0:59:44you've been very good this year jason i

0:59:46hope you get the paddle ball with you

0:59:49test group us for me too me too it's the

0:59:52top of my list right at the top

0:59:55damn more'n thanks for being here I'm

0:59:58gonna shoot somebody I up

0:59:58gonna shoot somebody I up

1:00:00can't say who fouled out of the mixed

1:00:04and is another dark turn in this episode

1:00:07and Steve let's thank you

1:00:09it has been a pleasure dragging your

1:00:11otherwise congenial holiday podcast into

1:00:13the horror movie ghetto it's great i

1:00:15expect nothing less of you with a

1:00:18witness that I i hear noises on the

1:00:20rooftop kids I think it's john siracusa

1:00:23who's come to bring commentary to go to

1:00:26bed because if he sees you awake

1:00:28he's not going to visit so he'll visit

1:00:30and i'll tell you give you an itemized

1:00:33list of why you should be asleep but yes

1:00:37and on that note I would like to thank

1:00:38everybody for listening to this episode

1:00:40of the incomparable have her have a

1:00:42happy holiday everybody right right yeah

1:00:45happy holidays or or if you prefer an

1:00:48unhappy holiday some of our movies will

1:00:50serve that to do

1:00:52dudas see you next time

1:01:01dr. collected the fact that this is the

1:01:05most special Christmas