The Incomparable

118: The Incomparable Holiday Vault 2

 

  Jason's gonna be liberal with the [TS]

  editing I just I either I'm it's gonna [TS]

  be like to die hard episode I'm just [TS]

  gonna put a disclaimer on the front that [TS]

  says don't listen to this it's episode [TS]

  in this episode is five minutes alone [TS]

  we're horrible horrible people happy [TS]

  happy holidays everybody [TS]

  the incomparable over 180 December 2012 [TS]

  ho ho [TS]

  welcome back everybody it's the holidays [TS]

  and this is the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

  I'm your host Jason snow and we are [TS]

  going to revive I guess it only comes to [TS]

  tradition once you do it more than once [TS]

  so this is it we are going to talk about [TS]

  our favorite holiday movies again last [TS]

  year we did an episode called the [TS]

  holiday movie vault where we each placed [TS]

  an item a TV show or movie in the [TS]

  holiday vault 22 treasure for always for [TS]

  all time and we're going to do it again [TS]

  we're going to add some more things the [TS]

  vault is large enough to fit more movies [TS]

  and TV shows than we have in it now [TS]

  there's plenty of room in the vault so [TS]

  we're going to throw some more stuff in [TS]

  the vault [TS]

  joining me to add items to the vault are [TS]

  Glenn fleischmann hi Glenn [TS]

  hello there and ho ho from this Jewish [TS]

  boy [TS]

  hoho hello hello oh and also joining us [TS]

  and Enoch oh hello Andy [TS]

  Merry Christmas Jason have you been a [TS]

  good host this year a fair-to-middling [TS]

  oh ok well you i'll give you the the [TS]

  i'll give you the logitech USB [TS]

  microphone instead of the height 240 see [TS]

  that I give it the good posts [TS]

  wow this podcast brought to you by [TS]

  logitech it's like a lump of coal in [TS]

  your stocking [TS]

  also here is the fine and why is Steve [TS]

  let's hi Steve [TS]

  Wow bay as aplin already [TS]

  and if you identify the movie that comes [TS]

  from you win a free non-existence the [TS]

  comparable teacher yeah that's right i [TS]

  always tell me if you will win the [TS]

  Seventh Seal you guessed it Berkman knew [TS]

  had knew his way around some dialogue [TS]

  and tell you i was i was gonna say [TS]

  eraserhead I'm so glad it's a class [TS]

  whatever feeling foolish right now [TS]

  also joining me Dan Morgan I dan hi [TS]

  Jason I anything clever to smoke [TS]

  okay fair enough and very happy to have [TS]

  Lisa Schwyzer with us to hi Lisa [TS]

  happy winter solstice everyone here Mary [TS]

  pagan festival of darkness all good [TS]

  you're good you'll agree that they're [TS]

  all you nod critical thinkers how I pity [TS]

  and hate you [TS]

  critically of cards throwing a richard [TS]

  dawkins special in the holiday movie [TS]

  Pulp it's terrible little present [TS]

  everything that's in there it's a core [TS]

  Sagan Christmas billions and billions of [TS]

  Christmas specials [TS]

  well that's true and that's just [TS]

  rankin/bass oh so I i want to recap [TS]

  before we do our inductees for the year [TS]

  2012 into our holiday movie vault which [TS]

  ice should say i called the holiday [TS]

  movie vault and see let's pointed out [TS]

  that uh I said movies or TV and so when [TS]

  we induct the TV show last year that [TS]

  that was one of these choices that was [TS]

  not cheating [TS]

  it was perfectly valid and it's my fault [TS]

  for calling it the whole holiday movie [TS]

  volt includes television that's just how [TS]

  it is it's called the holiday movie [TS]

  vault includes television that's how we [TS]

  roll [TS]

  I'm going to recap the movies that are [TS]

  already in the vault first off we have [TS]

  an honorary inductee because at [TS]

  Christmas in 2010 we did a whole episode [TS]

  about die hard and what a great holiday [TS]

  movie diehard was so I'm gonna put that [TS]

  I'm gonna mark that down as being dan [TS]

  moore and selection from year zero of [TS]

  the holiday movie fault and input [TS]

  diehard in the vault last year's choices [TS]

  Glenn inducted elf the will ferrell [TS]

  comedy about a else that looks like will [TS]

  ferrell he's very tall and james caan is [TS]

  very angry [TS]

  it's the wrath of khan which we I think [TS]

  did a whole episode about uh damn freaks [TS]

  abducted when harry met sally which is [TS]

  originally sent around christmas and new [TS]

  years and I thought that was a great [TS]

  choice and Aiko inducted groundhog day [TS]

  because Groundhog Day is also a holiday [TS]

  and also a great movie serenity Caldwell [TS]

  had it's a wonderful life Steve let's [TS]

  when the TV route with Charlie Brown [TS]

  Christmas excellent choice and I brought [TS]

  in Miracle on thirty-fourth street so [TS]

  you can you can learn all about the [TS]

  holiday movie evolved last year that's [TS]

  incomparable number 71 71 look it up [TS]

  people and and that brings us to today [TS]

  where we have new selections for the [TS]

  holiday movie evolved and I'm wondering [TS]

  who would like to go first and tell us [TS]

  what thing that they love that they want [TS]

  to permanently Preserve in are very [TS]

  high-quality fault that we ordered on [TS]

  the Internet is this like do this by the [TS]

  same people who made the disney vault or [TS]

  we could not afford that [TS]

  unfortunately the pole vault actually so [TS]

  it's really not really awkward it's the [TS]

  people maybe the Keitel gold records [TS]

  solid gold vaults interesting I sure [TS]

  i'll go first I was shocked shocked i [TS]

  tell you to find that nobody last year [TS]

  picked the seminal 1983 classic a [TS]

  christmas story which you've seen [TS]

  because he runs for 24 hours during xmas [TS]

  on TBS yes it does mr. ossible for you [TS]

  not to have seen it [TS]

  oh I love watching it like two in the [TS]

  morning it's great it's really a ball [TS]

  with the best part about it is that you [TS]

  can start watching at some point and [TS]

  then yes and you can go to bed then you [TS]

  can get a meeting gets the resin dip in [TS]

  and out and you know you come up as we [TS]

  know the most ridiculous thing we bought [TS]

  a DVD of it when you're have no idea [TS]

  what we can see that is correct that is [TS]

  just ridiculous ruins the experience [TS]

  that's not what was that about [TS]

  so it perfectly supports that sort of [TS]

  dipping in and out right because it's [TS]

  kind of well it is an overarching has an [TS]

  overarching plot there are like sort of [TS]

  these little scenes that serve as [TS]

  vignettes so it really does a good job [TS]

  of letting you sort of drop in and pick [TS]

  up just you know a thread and then you [TS]

  could just let it go and then come back [TS]

  later and watch another thread and it's [TS]

  it's it's just a lovely movie iight shot [TS]

  is what you're saying [TS]

  exactly i remember it i remember it's [TS]

  scaring me a little bit when I was a kid [TS]

  because the Santa seen the Santa scene [TS]

  where he kicks and down the slide was [TS]

  like oh very nice and also the shooting [TS]

  your eye out was very traumatic for me [TS]

  oh yeah sure I with that thing i had a [TS]

  BB gun and I had that same fear was like [TS]

  we want to get him [TS]

  it's dangerous and I got my co-host [TS]

  interest i hope i don't misuse it and [TS]

  accidentally somehow shoot and I out of [TS]

  mine or someone else's I here's the deal [TS]

  ken jennings considers jeopardy winner [TS]

  and gentlemen commence collecting his [TS]

  new book out about childhood myths [TS]

  things our parents told us that were [TS]

  wrong and just came out a couple days [TS]

  ago and one of them is about your I [TS]

  would be begun it is in fact true most [TS]

  mrs. book he disapproves but in fact [TS]

  there are enormous number of merchants [TS]

  your room visits of people having shot [TS]

  there I with their guns and BB gun while [TS]

  your eyes are pretty sensitive so it's [TS]

  not really a surprise we talk about the [TS]

  air those airs those intense airsoft [TS]

  rifles are we talking about like a [TS]

  little like one of the ones that you can [TS]

  pump up and maybe guns i think I'm packs [TS]

  of Indian rifles are these guns can [TS]

  produce like a crazy amount of psi so it [TS]

  is an actual worry and that was this [TS]

  week's installment of blending with [TS]

  Jennings [TS]

  they can work your plan works you and [TS]

  Jeffery 100 I've erased all memory of [TS]

  that experience [TS]

  me too oh yeah yeah yeahs a couple [TS]

  things I really love about this movie [TS]

  one I really love the the little brother [TS]

  Randy whose I think my favorite [TS]

  character in the meantime people fight [TS]

  because the Santa got this movie with me [TS]

  when he's under the sink [TS]

  no that was one of the better one for me [TS]

  as always okay why are your arms down [TS]

  when you get to school but also daddy's [TS]

  gonna kill Ralphie which is that is that [TS]

  is a around my family my extended family [TS]

  that that quote comes up fairly often or [TS]

  around around Christmastime can we get [TS]

  some praise for darren mcgavin they're [TS]

  always and you are a man what a great i [TS]

  mean he's a great actor and [TS]

  underappreciated but this it's so [TS]

  actually great and he passed away a few [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  it's so great that as delivery that he [TS]

  isn't the kind of thing guy deserved to [TS]

  be in a in a classic I don't in a [TS]

  timeless classic and this is it the [TS]

  boxes from juillet must be Italian [TS]

  the duck is smiling at us but this is [TS]

  dog its tether little mexican smooth up [TS]

  the mechana seen that always comes back [TS]

  to me is of course the changing the tire [TS]

  on our shop [TS]

  oh I the only he doesn't say yeah my [TS]

  cabin is great and easy particularly [TS]

  great in this because the I think for me [TS]

  the best thing about this film is that [TS]

  is the relationship between Ralphie and [TS]

  dad made a most at least american males [TS]

  I it and certainly myself you know dad [TS]

  is basically this sort of vague presents [TS]

  that that appears after work in the [TS]

  evenings and seems to exist solely to [TS]

  scallops you and tell you you're doing [TS]

  things wrong and it's me and it's just [TS]

  it's absolutely beautiful where you know [TS]

  he's he's asking for the gun from every [TS]

  single entity he can he can consider and [TS]

  you never even thinks of the dad and in [TS]

  the end it's a daddy was aware enough of [TS]

  his son's needs and wants to be the one [TS]

  that sneaks the gun into the house I [TS]

  think that's just great it's so it's a [TS]

  it's it just encapsulated the whole [TS]

  father-son relationship thing to a tee [TS]

  and it does a good job making [TS]

  three-dimensional to write like you know [TS]

  like you're saying there it's just he's [TS]

  he's a natural character there and I [TS]

  don't know I mean I assume like many of [TS]

  you probably that there is an element of [TS]

  that reminds me of my own relationship [TS]

  with my father so i came to this movie [TS]

  really late I this movie was already a [TS]

  classic and I hadn't seen it until like [TS]

  five years ago or something and I you [TS]

  had that moment where you're thinking [TS]

  well it's really on and it is it's great [TS]

  it feels like it's a document that fell [TS]

  out of a you know a time warp from like [TS]

  50 years ago because of the setting and [TS]

  all of that and it it and as a result is [TS]

  so timeless and it's great and and the [TS]

  fact is yeah it has so many of those [TS]

  vignettes in it that it it's in some [TS]

  ways it whoever thought to run it 24 [TS]

  hours a day over christmas on TBS is a [TS]

  genius because you really can kind of [TS]

  chop it up in a blender and it doesn't [TS]

  matter it's just kind of charming and [TS]

  fun and nice to see it and I use [TS]

  sometimes i use the word charming a lot [TS]

  to describe the certain kinds of movies [TS]

  and TV shows but i really believe [TS]

  there's something to be said for for [TS]

  that kind of quality of like it just [TS]

  makes me feel good to watch it and it [TS]

  fits nice and it's enjoyable and it's [TS]

  nostalgic in a way and it's just it's [TS]

  got all those all those pieces to it [TS]

  it's got its got a great get tie into [TS]

  that I that I discovered recently which [TS]

  I hadn't thought about which is that the [TS]

  the character of scut Farkus the bully [TS]

  who beat Amon did not realize the [TS]

  recently that he appears in those two [TS]

  sort of flashforward episodes of [TS]

  dollhouse the ones with felicia day he [TS]

  is he's like this because he's this tall [TS]

  redheaded kid and like for some reason [TS]

  when especially when I was growing up [TS]

  because this movie is set [TS]

  it's from the eighties but it is set [TS]

  much earlier I always sort of assumed [TS]

  because it's done so well as a movie of [TS]

  that time I was assumed it was from that [TS]

  era and so when I realized that no this [TS]

  is from the eighties and thus the actors [TS]

  you know who are now in their thirties [TS]

  or forties you know like if it started [TS]

  really strange to see them on TV shows [TS]

  that are modern and like his second [TS]

  house that guy only like 30 now it [TS]

  doesn't make any sense that was the only [TS]

  thing that caused me to disconnect that [TS]

  movie because the mom has this 1980 Cape [TS]

  Kate Capshaw style hair that says they [TS]

  didn't wear hair like that in the [TS]

  forties did they and the dad is Aggies [TS]

  perfectly cast but he's kind of old to [TS]

  have such a young son may be the age [TS]

  difference always intrigued me because [TS]

  she's so much older than his wife and [TS]

  the only way I can explain it as maybe [TS]

  he spent the thirties thinking he'll [TS]

  never have a family there with [TS]

  depression was on you couldn't start a [TS]

  family then it's just because he's an [TS]

  Oldsmobile man it ages you have a vague [TS]

  some historical explanation for these [TS]

  were the days when like you know people [TS]

  used to die in childbirth like we're [TS]

  very very high rates you have to marry a [TS]

  lot of different women just to ensure [TS]

  that one of the would survive to raise [TS]

  the children the 1950s 47-43 this is way [TS]

  more thought than I'd ever given to this [TS]

  but you know you know for you you do [TS]

  know physicians were washing their hands [TS]

  by that point right i mean childbed [TS]

  fever was installed a thing in charlotte [TS]

  was urging shouts idea the on temporary [TS]

  gene Shepard of resin traffic right [TS]

  Urlacher e-book I like you imagine gene [TS]

  Shalit Christmas still that's a very [TS]

  different movie [TS]

  yes year you're going to have a halt [TS]

  holiday thanks to the Christmas story [TS]

  that there's my house i'm wearing that [TS]

  crazy kid pop otay Shepherd served in [TS]

  Korea didn't he was in those World War [TS]

  two [TS]

  he was in a single course so in fact [TS]

  these stories he's telling them in the [TS]

  sixties movie was made the eighties but [TS]

  he was really talking about the thirties [TS]

  originally I don't know the movies [TS]

  center of an indeterminate time that [TS]

  seems like it might be the fifties but [TS]

  these are about this really the thirties [TS]

  he was born in 21 [TS]

  so he's nostalgic for someone else's [TS]

  childhood well now i have to recalibrate [TS]

  I'm thinking that the old man is [TS]

  shell-shocked from his trench warfare [TS]

  were one that's that's my new historical [TS]

  one of the trench foot and pick your [TS]

  poison hero palms next steak frites ass [TS]

  and they just weren't appreciated and [TS]

  now he isn't it suspicious that he [TS]

  didn't actually know Italian then I mean [TS]

  think about you clearly he appears to [TS]

  have been I've nothing I got nothing i [TS]

  just running out the next and you drop [TS]

  you drop that that that kid was on [TS]

  fringe but i think last year now a [TS]

  dollhouse for dollhouse right but last [TS]

  year we we dealt with the fact that [TS]

  Peter Billingsley is in elf [TS]

  yes yes and Marilyn line apparently an [TS]

  iron man two original original iron man [TS]

  really yeah and scott schwartz who plays [TS]

  flick went on to do some some you just [TS]

  sell my work as well and work apparently [TS]

  I'm not necessarily genre-specific the [TS]

  kind of enjoyed by geeks billingsley is [TS]

  friends with I think jon favreau the [TS]

  manager I think they do the co-producer [TS]

  hunter right ya know anything more to [TS]

  say about a christmas story please [TS]

  it's a good movie like fantastic limited [TS]

  by like the wind she devised I don't [TS]

  know how else to like the Tin Man next [TS]

  alright so so a christmas story and more [TS]

  in in in the holiday movie halt forever [TS]

  flying and must be discovered that it [TS]

  did steroids and then we might take it [TS]

  out later but otherwise it's in forever [TS]

  whoo-hoo would like to choose next I [TS]

  would like to choose next I stand step [TS]

  for starting value to the bolts & lock [TS]

  me in [TS]

  yes so my film the volunteer condition [TS]

  to go ahead there's no air bizarre [TS]

  condition holiday in a 1942 American [TS]

  musical which is a terrific film it's [TS]

  got being cross be in it it's got Fred [TS]

  Astaire it's musics by Irving Berlin [TS]

  it's like the Christmas see is the [TS]

  American musical easiest thing you could [TS]

  possibly imagine and also is not just [TS]

  about Christmas it's about all kinds of [TS]

  holidays being called holiday and so [TS]

  that the conceit is that being Crosby [TS]

  he's tired of the big city life up there [TS]

  in Manhattan he wants to move out to the [TS]

  country like Greenwich Connecticut or [TS]

  somewhere where it's still country and [TS]

  everything's quiet small in those days [TS]

  and so he wants to start farm and farm [TS]

  doesn't do so well so he decides that [TS]

  he'll take his acting and singing talent [TS]

  and production production town and [TS]

  having left first airing a club in the [TS]

  big city and having lost his girlfriend [TS]

  stare he sets up shop with the idea that [TS]

  he'll run and in just on holidays like [TS]

  Christmas and groundhogs day maybe I [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  well that's it that's a business model [TS]

  that can't fail you can feel that's what [TS]

  spawned a successful the successful [TS]

  hotel chain named after la quinta right [TS]

  and no way that that wrong [TS]

  sorry it's just concerning though that [TS]

  now holiday and has an entirely [TS]

  different meaning than what it actually [TS]

  meant when the movie was made it was [TS]

  confusing the first time I saw the movie [TS]

  I thought something was wrong that hotel [TS]

  that hotel you so only be open on [TS]

  holidays too and they decided you know [TS]

  what we're paying all the staff just to [TS]

  sleep in the bed for 29 days on the [TS]

  month [TS]

  it's a pretty thing well you know that [TS]

  long gap in April and May so the movies [TS]

  full of fantastic music they the one [TS]

  that's best known for of course is white [TS]

  Christmas and there's this tremendously [TS]

  wonderful surreal bit at the end where [TS]

  the front of stair character whose name [TS]

  is Ted Hanover if you created Jim Hardy [TS]

  and Ted Hanover convinces Hollywood to [TS]

  make a movie about holiday inn in the [TS]

  movie holiday inn and so they cut and [TS]

  show you a set at some point and the set [TS]

  is the set we've been watching the [TS]

  entire movie and then they pull back and [TS]

  you see that its asset but they're [TS]

  showing you a set as asset because [TS]

  they're filming it with all the cameras [TS]

  in it as if they were filming the set it [TS]

  is a little surreal for a movie made in [TS]

  1942 I liked that bit too but full of [TS]

  great music and we try to watch it every [TS]

  year it's one of the film's in my house [TS]

  set out my wife and I try to bring up [TS]

  your cousin music and it's just a silly [TS]

  plot and that's got you know great [TS]

  singing dancing that kind of thing in it [TS]

  also racism right also raised oh no wait [TS]

  should we just brushed under the carpet [TS]

  snow likely also races absolutely what [TS]

  did anything so it's got a senior so the [TS]

  American tradition religion to be fair [TS]

  christmas story also has its a brief [TS]

  races scene 2 so what's the regular [TS]

  racism I think about the Chinese [TS]

  restaurant is already [TS]

  which is it possible bad because it is [TS]

  so hilarious but at the same time yes [TS]

  terribly rich with so this basically [TS]

  you're saying that this is the racist [TS]

  wing of the holiday movie ball basically [TS]

  saying that Christmas is racist and [TS]

  having been white and Christmas hello [TS]

  lump of coal I mean come on [TS]

  having been in chinese restaurants as a [TS]

  Jew before I married someone who's not [TS]

  Jewish on Christmas day I will say that [TS]

  the you know the Christmas story scene [TS]

  is relatively accurate in many regards [TS]

  so the so the in holiday am that issue [TS]

  is of course lincoln's birthday where [TS]

  the performers apply black face and sing [TS]

  a song called Abraham and it's a little [TS]

  terrifying another the terminally [TS]

  classics from what I was just looking [TS]

  this up to make sure that's right they [TS]

  refused to edit movies they want to show [TS]

  them on edited so they in fact will show [TS]

  the film with this extra tray classic [TS]

  movies and AMC will show the movie with [TS]

  the Abraham seen it and it's usually cut [TS]

  and the first time I saw I'd seen Holly [TS]

  and for years and years and i'm watching [TS]

  I'm like I don't remember them doing [TS]

  abraham lincoln's birthday [TS]

  I don't remember being Crosby putting on [TS]

  blackface old no no [TS]

  and the thing about that scene is like [TS]

  its it opens up with Bing Crosby singing [TS]

  in French first of all being Crosby [TS]

  singing anything that it you know you've [TS]

  screwed up when you do anything that [TS]

  overshadows Bing Crosby singing one of [TS]

  the best vocalist in the 20th century [TS]

  and so it's bad enough because he's he's [TS]

  in this uncle remus costume and it's bad [TS]

  and you're you're like oh my god what a [TS]

  different error this was this is [TS]

  horrifying this is horrible and they [TS]

  started gets the end of the song realize [TS]

  okay they're going to move on to the [TS]

  next holiday is and then the female lead [TS]

  comes onstage in out four hundred times [TS]

  worse most great more racist stereotype [TS]

  like all this it's like it's like a real [TS]

  springtime for Hitler moment for your [TS]

  job is you just know and your job is [TS]

  like on your chest because the phrase [TS]

  like I'm not saying they're not [TS]

  yeah like some part of you is going to [TS]

  look at least get that keyboard [TS]

  background your head saying okay totally [TS]

  different time racism was far far far [TS]

  far different than that was now and then [TS]

  you're like I had no idea how did this [TS]

  get released and people not just like [TS]

  breaking excuse a little bit then you're [TS]

  like okay not that much nobody know but [TS]

  i think the business there's a thing of [TS]

  the time which is that minstrel ism had [TS]

  a long history wasn't purse a racist as [TS]

  a point where developed into that we can [TS]

  have a whole discussion about that black [TS]

  people actually dressed up as minstrels [TS]

  and performed is it's a very often but [TS]

  the weird part to me is not just that [TS]

  but then while these people are singing [TS]

  black face behind them are the black [TS]

  servants in the house including Louise [TS]

  Ellen beavers I look up her name here [TS]

  was plays mammy and like every movie [TS]

  during her lifetime and including this [TS]

  one and her kids are singing along and [TS]

  of course they're black they're not a [TS]

  black face their black with these white [TS]

  people in blackface singing and it's not [TS]

  set up to be funny it's an absolutely [TS]

  serious moment so if you take it for [TS]

  what it is it's actually fine it's just [TS]

  terrifying insight into what was [TS]

  acceptable portrayal wasn't it wasn't a [TS]

  parody or Lampoon but anyway it is just [TS]

  an odd moment movie but you know where [TS]

  we're not confronted with having to see [TS]

  it it actually turns out that all your [TS]

  favorite movies have black faces that [TS]

  have been cut another our shows busters [TS]

  these diehard the die-hard black facing [TS]

  the top that's really true actually you [TS]

  know the worst one is in 2001 a Space [TS]

  Odyssey that is the most offensive [TS]

  blackface scene i have ever ever seen [TS]

  but you got to get the bootleg David [TS]

  really overdoing it [TS]

  yeah yeah it's really it's really [TS]

  horrible you know it's funny what I [TS]

  think I think we may have touched on [TS]

  this briefly in previous podcast but it [TS]

  is fascinating not to get off of holiday [TS]

  movies into crippling racism and culture [TS]

  that's what every podcast involves and [TS]

  the one that always gets me it again not [TS]

  a I'm not holiday-themed per se but [TS]

  actually a tradition that that I i got [TS]

  from from Lisa's husband [TS]

  Oh ducts which is which is a which is [TS]

  the Marx Brothers & duck soup every yes [TS]

  3 New Year's Eve we want we watch duck [TS]

  soup and the marketplace duck soup and [TS]

  there is there's actually a number in [TS]

  there that does have a lot of a slightly [TS]

  horrific black facing right in the [TS]

  middle of it with with all four marks [TS]

  reference yes and they're there are [TS]

  several other Marx Brothers movies with [TS]

  similar either lines or or in fact in [TS]

  one movie a whole production number data [TS]

  races that and and that one blows me [TS]

  away because it's like guys you're [TS]

  Jewish you yourself are an oppressed [TS]

  group do you not see what you're doing [TS]

  here but it again it's just something I [TS]

  watched all those movies as a kid and I [TS]

  have no recollection of this i feel like [TS]

  my parents were that's kind of parents [TS]

  would like sit me down and had a talk [TS]

  about it but apparently justice i'm [TS]

  almost i'm almost tempted to change my [TS]

  vote to duck soup and duck soup has [TS]

  nothing to do with the holidays and all [TS]

  but it's a wonderful holiday tradition [TS]

  and it's a it is such an absurd movie to [TS]

  there's ever a little things i like [TS]

  about it's a great hungry New Year's Eve [TS]

  thing and it's short I was my favorite [TS]

  Marx Brothers movie grown ups [TS]

  yeah that's where I got one of my [TS]

  twitter icons because for one of my [TS]

  Twitter streams i have Margaret Dumont [TS]

  is my car Oh from that movie with you [TS]

  have been spalding my house but no one's [TS]

  gonna answer the whole Lake that the [TS]

  market marshmallows yes other than the [TS]

  hundred and the occasional bits of of [TS]

  quite disturbing racism lovely lovely [TS]

  sunday and holiday and so I guess we [TS]

  have to indulge holiday in glitter we [TS]

  inducting it without mr. lincoln's [TS]

  birthday I don't important historical [TS]

  record I think we'll be able to see if [TS]

  you rent it i don't know what the DVD is [TS]

  like and if you rent it rented out if [TS]

  you can read it if you watch it on [TS]

  television get the DVD it's you know [TS]

  it's part of the history of [TS]

  entertainment what people watch the time [TS]

  what our grandparents watched was first [TS]

  out so i think we induct it without the [TS]

  scene with the important recollection [TS]

  that movie was made with this seemed [TS]

  alright fair enough [TS]

  as the inductor you get to decide how we [TS]

  how we view this movie for all time so [TS]

  thank you but one last night I'm holiday [TS]

  inn which I've which I found fascinating [TS]

  they actually took the exact same sets [TS]

  years later when they made white [TS]

  christmas and the holiday the the [TS]

  holiday inn like club is the exact same [TS]

  set they use for the generals lot of the [TS]

  ski lodge in white Christmas [TS]

  so if it's the they turned it around a [TS]

  little bit but it is exactly stick for [TS]

  stick to the same one and you can tell [TS]

  because in holiday in white christmas [TS]

  which is a Technicolor movie they didn't [TS]

  even bother to paint this [TS]

  black-and-white set it is it looks like [TS]

  a black-and-white movie with like the [TS]

  only one that's been colorized with like [TS]

  human skin tones in it i should also [TS]

  point out that that indian taco has his [TS]

  own equivalent of a holiday movie vault [TS]

  and it's a it's down in his basement and [TS]

  that's where white christmas has been [TS]

  locked up and he doesn't feed especially [TS]

  if it's changed out of it puts the [TS]

  lotion on its skin and never ever gets [TS]

  aired again no it's it's the same as the [TS]

  same vault that like they used to put [TS]

  the Hulk in like the first issues the [TS]

  comic to prevent it from getting out and [TS]

  wreaking havoc upon innocent people is [TS]

  the same philanthropy with which I [TS]

  protect people from white Christmas [TS]

  thank you we appreciate it do you [TS]

  spoilers spoilers are you gonna ruin [TS]

  somebody's a beloved holiday movie again [TS]

  this year I i actually have had many [TS]

  requests to lie creature like repeat [TS]

  that episode I am actually in the early [TS]

  stages of preparing what a twitter [TS]

  follower pre professionally described as [TS]

  the detractors commentary of white [TS]

  Christmas I'm going to do my own like [TS]

  rifftrax that's not joking it just [TS]

  simply go shot-by-shot beautiful hissing [TS]

  okay now here's here's the part where I [TS]

  think you could kind of see you kinda [TS]

  see Bing Crosby's but underneath those [TS]

  tighty-whities because the director just [TS]

  didn't care i was framing it didn't even [TS]

  give him a new pair of Underpants I [TS]

  wouldn't say so much [TS]

  there it is everybody look forward to [TS]

  that will be everybody understands [TS]

  remember for next year preview of any [TS]

  not goes next [TS]

  the strategy it's gonna be a big project [TS]

  it's gonna be good let's go from the [TS]

  from horrible racist scenes and hot 11 [TS]

  holiday movies to Steve lots of natural [TS]

  transition i don't know how i feel about [TS]

  that [TS]

  what are you gonna do Steve well well [TS]

  actually it might turn out to be a [TS]

  better segue than you think but only [TS]

  very tenuously oh boy ok so we look I [TS]

  haven't already [TS]

  no no Skeletor ball [TS]

  I mentioned at the end of last year's [TS]

  holiday vault that that I was bitter [TS]

  that a christmas story had mentioned and [TS]

  I really wanted to induct that this year [TS]

  but then I caught wind that Dan might [TS]

  want to choose it so in the spirit of [TS]

  Christmas i decided to let him have all [TS]

  because i'm a giver [TS]

  but I did pick another film from the [TS]

  great Bob Clark who is for modern fee [TS]

  it has been marked with peaks and [TS]

  valleys but i believe the peaks are very [TS]

  high indeed i'm talking about like a [TS]

  christmas story he did Porky's baby [TS]

  geniuses to electric babylou i think was [TS]

  his one of those Peaks is the film i've [TS]

  chosen for this year's holiday movie [TS]

  evolved and that is 1974 black christmas [TS]

  you are going to get international [TS]

  production starting it is it is a [TS]

  delightful tale of a sorority house at [TS]

  Christmas break and the psychotic killer [TS]

  living in the Attic who periodically [TS]

  emerges to kill the ones that didn't go [TS]

  home for the holidays was the call [TS]

  coming from inside the house this is [TS]

  great this is great is is the killer see [TS]

  so he stood the killer starts to kill [TS]

  the girls in the sorority house why [TS]

  don't the rest of them leave saying [TS]

  there is a killer there was a horrible [TS]

  kit murder here or if there's a good [TS]

  reason that Jason don't know it'sit's [TS]

  actually brilliant the because it is [TS]

  Christmas break and the girls are you [TS]

  know periodically leaving the sorority [TS]

  house to go home for the holidays or go [TS]

  skiing and naturally just before most of [TS]

  them get dispatched they say something [TS]

  along the lines of I might not be here [TS]

  when you get back because my dad's [TS]

  coming to pick me up and then lo and [TS]

  behold when the person gets back that [TS]

  that person is our molecules but is in [TS]

  fact there because the killer is keeping [TS]

  his his his trophies in the Attic [TS]

  oh just like John McCain no one ever [TS]

  notices the smell or nothing really [TS]

  apparently not [TS]

  apparently not although i excuse you [TS]

  have up there it's you do get perfect [TS]

  and it's apparently soundproof as well [TS]

  because this guy does as Glenn mentioned [TS]

  make quite a few phone calls to the to [TS]

  the residents of the sorority house [TS]

  really it's really awkward but it's on a [TS]

  party-line to write get off the phone [TS]

  kill your mom come on the phone but no [TS]

  this is [TS]

  this is easily the best of the Christmas [TS]

  based horror movies and I think one of [TS]

  the best horror movies at the seventies [TS]

  period i hesitate to call it a slasher [TS]

  film because i think it is higher [TS]

  quality than most of those but pretty [TS]

  much every slasher that came afterwards [TS]

  crib from it in that black christmas i [TS]

  think introduce the sorority house [TS]

  setting the camera shots taken from the [TS]

  point of view of the killer which i [TS]

  think most people would attribute to [TS]

  halloween was done here for years [TS]

  earlier the repeated phone calls from [TS]

  the killer as i mentioned and these are [TS]

  much much worse than just the check the [TS]

  kids this is actually some really creepy [TS]

  schizophrenic sounding stuff with the [TS]

  guy uses multiple voices and speaks as a [TS]

  child sometimes and occasionally just [TS]

  drops into totally normal speech [TS]

  patterns and indeed plan the call is [TS]

  coming from inside the house so you work [TS]

  you were correct there I was worried for [TS]

  a second we're going to pick a black [TS]

  yellow Christmas notes that's a good one [TS]

  too though right you know i just i'm not [TS]

  i'm not super familiar this but I [TS]

  wouldn't look at the wikipedia page what [TS]

  we're talking and notice that this in a [TS]

  tie into our earlier discussion cured [TS]

  aaliyah's in this movie here 2001 Fame [TS]

  also Olivia Hussey who was in romeo and [TS]

  juliet juliet Margot Kidder and Margot [TS]

  Kidder here playing that here playing [TS]

  away from type as a drunk kind of a pic [TS]

  oh this is the darkest holiday would [TS]

  evolve ever so it's wonderful it's a [TS]

  wonderful film whose Andrea Martin plan [TS]

  this film well I don't seem it and she's [TS]

  got more Andrea Martin he's somewhat [TS]

  attractive semi amusing friend [TS]

  well the sorority girls with the curly [TS]

  hair and glasses who she's really more [TS]

  of an accessory she doesn't really rise [TS]

  to or two I do i think the fast lane [TS]

  choice her talents but it's it's a [TS]

  wonderful summer film this is a [TS]

  Christmas Eve and you only a scary one [TS]

  it's it's a good thing thrown the DVD [TS]

  player wire wrapping gifts or stabbing [TS]

  gifts with a knife over and you're [TS]

  somewhere so when the cancer sleep [TS]

  upstairs you're assembling all the toys [TS]

  there you go you have after you've put [TS]

  together the bike with the Japanese [TS]

  instructions and you're in a bitter [TS]

  bitter mood this is the this is the way [TS]

  to go [TS]

  at least somebody's having a worst [TS]

  Christmas Eve than I am just don't have [TS]

  don't have the volume up to louder [TS]

  one of your kids will come downstairs to [TS]

  be like what do you want God it does [TS]

  have very little blood so if you happen [TS]

  to be somebody who's squeamish that's [TS]

  actually a pretty decent film for for [TS]

  you know horror beginners and contrary [TS]

  to the template that Halloween started [TS]

  the Virgin dies first [TS]

  so it's actually an improvement over [TS]

  what came later it was between this and [TS]

  home alone [TS]

  I think you did a good job by by another [TS]

  psychopathic keeps picking people off [TS]

  one-by-one during the holidays and [TS]

  inside a house that's right [TS]

  die hard 2 also somebody skulks around [TS]

  killing people inside a big house that I [TS]

  think about our mothers our headlight [TS]

  different holiday and no one is killed [TS]

  to my knowledge accepting the same that [TS]

  they removed spoken of murder see all by [TS]

  briefly considered I hard to for my [TS]

  choice this year but us decided that [TS]

  it's not as good as die hard one [TS]

  it's not the sequels rarely are still [TS]

  still decent still better than a lot of [TS]

  crap your action movies but you know [TS]

  what it doesn't quite capture the magic [TS]

  I think we should move on because I'm [TS]

  going sir [TS]

  yes I know it's starting to get dark in [TS]

  here [TS]

  let's all it so let's go to Andy next [TS]

  you didn't put a halt it is involved i [TS]

  I'm entering it in the vault now in the [TS]

  back of the values extremes to put [TS]

  involved in your screams of horror from [TS]

  the vault when it entered I thought [TS]

  maybe there was an alternative all that [TS]

  you were putting that it i'm telling you [TS]

  i'm looking for Donnelly this podcasting [TS]

  hear all those special of sound effects [TS]

  will be laying in hear the creaking the [TS]

  fall to the screaming and that's gonna [TS]

  be awesome [TS]

  it is IMVU podcast listener [TS]

  Oh holiday and has just mysteriously [TS]

  disappeared from the ball it's coming [TS]

  from inside the vault oh no it's cool [TS]

  though is it was gonna dip out for you [TS]

  know some eggnog so it'll probably back [TS]

  later it's going to get phone call [TS]

  though it's coming from inside the vault [TS]

  so good huh yeah any what do you got [TS]

  well you got a topic what was horrible [TS]

  what horrible thing will be emanating [TS]

  from your heart warming christmas [TS]

  special [TS]

  well I we talk this afternoon you [TS]

  reminded me that I actually talked about [TS]

  the sctv holiday special last year so [TS]

  let's consider that already there even [TS]

  though was sort of snuck in under an [TS]

  asterisk I decided in lil in lieu of [TS]

  that to talk about what is actually a [TS]

  legitimate sincere beloved holiday TV [TS]

  classic for me every year this this show [TS]

  comes on every year [TS]

  I not only watch it I'm like they're 10 [TS]

  minutes early I'm excited like a kid for [TS]

  the show to come on and when the show [TS]

  ends i am just so happy and so thankful [TS]

  that Christmas exists and it really is [TS]

  Christmas when the show airs and again [TS]

  it sounds like i'm going to be sarcastic [TS]

  then say it's about the seals and Crofts [TS]

  robot robot Christmas crowd cartoon of [TS]

  1974 no no I'm being sincere here it is [TS]

  the last show of late show with david [TS]

  letterman before Christmas it is the [TS]

  unofficial david letterman holiday [TS]

  special never announced never promote [TS]

  promoted that way but they do the exact [TS]

  same show each and every season each [TS]

  with a certain segment that you know [TS]

  it's coming but it's the greatest thing [TS]

  ever [TS]

  so they this is paul shaffer is going to [TS]

  tell from from behind the piano is going [TS]

  to tell the story about him watching the [TS]

  share Christmas special Sonny and Cher [TS]

  christmas special in the mid-seventies [TS]

  always the same script as oh it always [TS]

  kills only yeah you mentioned that she [TS]

  wasn't she was in Victorian clothes [TS]

  her hands were in a month pause for the [TS]

  laughs from the audience every time okay [TS]

  Jay Thomas comes on as a guest [TS]

  he tells the story about the time that [TS]

  he and his friend gave the lone ranger a [TS]

  ride back from her from a car show [TS]

  appearance that he and a he and Dave [TS]

  will like take turns throwing footballs [TS]

  at a Christmas tree with a giant [TS]

  meatball on the top of it they're going [TS]

  to take turns throwing these footballs [TS]

  and trying to knock the meatball off the [TS]

  tree and sometimes Jake sometimes [TS]

  sometimes jay thomas gets it sometimes [TS]

  David Letterman gets it but you can see [TS]

  every single time they really really [TS]

  want to be the one who [TS]

  it's two knocks the meatball off the [TS]

  tree this year and then but the but the [TS]

  the best part of all [TS]

  Darlene love singing christmas baby [TS]

  because problem yeah and maybe the first [TS]

  time they ever did this it was done like [TS]

  almost any other musical appearance on [TS]

  the show extremely well produced well [TS]

  done but nothing spectacular about it [TS]

  but you can sort of you can also tell [TS]

  that everyone associated with this show [TS]

  wants this to be the best five minutes [TS]

  they do every single year there's they [TS]

  bring a chorus that bring an orchestra [TS]

  they bring soloists they find a new way [TS]

  to get the saxophone player in for his [TS]

  big saxophone solo I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to it especially this year [TS]

  because the sex of their regular [TS]

  saxophone player left earlier this [TS]

  season and now there's a new guy in [TS]

  there I don't know if he's going to fill [TS]

  in where they're going to get the old [TS]

  guy back in yet [TS]

  you can tell by this is a smile on my [TS]

  face that's about eight miles wide [TS]

  I love this each and every year and [TS]

  possibly it's because one common thread [TS]

  through a lot of these things we've been [TS]

  talking about our favorite favorite [TS]

  Christmas shows a lot of it is just its [TS]

  associated with so many really great [TS]

  memories that we a christmas story comes [TS]

  on at some point and we're gonna be [TS]

  seeing it through the course of the day [TS]

  it's gonna be tied into whatever we do [TS]

  on Christmas each and every year [TS]

  Letterman shows but I've been watching [TS]

  the show since I was a kid it what [TS]

  didn't exist before be before I was a [TS]

  teenager and it wasn't designed to be [TS]

  this this commercial sort of thing [TS]

  that's going to sell products and sell [TS]

  advertising it just feels as though it [TS]

  just grew naturally and organically and [TS]

  everybody including the audience is just [TS]

  enjoying every damn second of it so I'm [TS]

  looking forward to if ever I i got my [TS]

  schedule screwed up and I missed it i [TS]

  would really have to petition like the [TS]

  internet saying that somebody record [TS]

  this and post the video because I can't [TS]

  have my christmas until I see the [TS]

  lettermen christmas show amazing that [TS]

  they you know they essentially do the [TS]

  same thing over here every year why not [TS]

  david has the same show every night [TS]

  that's true oh zing you got a point for [TS]

  backpack that's right Dave I'm sorry he [TS]

  couldn't hear you over the sound of the [TS]

  kennedy center honor that you receive [TS]

  as one of the leading contributors to [TS]

  American entertainment now I just didn't [TS]

  hear about that because I stopped [TS]

  watching him 10 years ago when he [TS]

  stopped being funny you know you weren't [TS]

  always sing bird finding worried so what [TS]

  do you have to contribute to the the the [TS]

  increasingly crowded and come on holiday [TS]

  movie volt the 1968 classic the lion in [TS]

  winter good one [TS]

  thank you it's the story of Christmas [TS]

  with Henry the second Eleanor of [TS]

  Aquitaine and their three squabbling a [TS]

  surviving sons to give you a little [TS]

  backstory Henry and Eleanor one of [TS]

  history's original fun couples she tried [TS]

  to have him overthrown and in turn he [TS]

  had imprisoned but because they were big [TS]

  on appearances he freed her for [TS]

  Christmas every year and during so this [TS]

  takes place with her being you know [TS]

  wrote on a barge up from prison to the [TS]

  family stronghold where Henry has been [TS]

  shacking up with his son's fiancee [TS]

  this is fine by his son Richard because [TS]

  Richard wasn't exactly into the ladies [TS]

  and over the course of the next I want [TS]

  to say 36 hours that the movie takes [TS]

  place the sun's conspire to kill one or [TS]

  both of their parents Henry and Eleanor [TS]

  squabble reconcile squabble reconcile [TS]

  blah blah at infinitum and the whole [TS]

  thing is just a meditation on the [TS]

  madness of going home for the holidays [TS]

  and seeing the relatives you know you [TS]

  know will drive you nuts and the the [TS]

  dialogue the odd katharine hepburn place [TS]

  Eleanor of Aquitaine peter o'toole is [TS]

  brilliant as Henry the second a [TS]

  comparatively young Anthony haha Anthony [TS]

  Hopkins is Richard Timothy oh god [TS]

  Timothy Dalton that's his name Timothy [TS]

  Dalton plays the King of France who [TS]

  happens to have had been having things [TS]

  to do with Richard on the side and and [TS]

  BB you come for that you you come for [TS]

  the 1183 imager you stay for the [TS]

  dialogue because it's got some of the [TS]

  best lines that you're ever going to [TS]

  hear in cinema i love that bit but she [TS]

  throws herself doses every family has [TS]

  its ups and downs but now there's [TS]

  there's a scene where after after after [TS]

  the Sun seven prison both Henry and [TS]

  Eleanor [TS]

  and stuck them in the in the dungeons to [TS]

  figure out what to do with them [TS]

  there's this beautiful scene where [TS]

  Katherine Hepburn turns to Pedro to [TS]

  lances I have a confession i'm afraid i [TS]

  don't much like our children [TS]

  well this that I think aaron sorkin [TS]

  frequently quotes the line about the [TS]

  about the man falling down which i [TS]

  believe is from here which was [TS]

  yeah it'sit's when the falls on all that [TS]

  was left yes it matters anyway I don't [TS]

  know how you fall one of the Alliance [TS]

  that we used to what shall we hang the [TS]

  Holly or each other is one that comes up [TS]

  a lot i'm not a huge katharine hepburn [TS]

  fan I think she tells I think she I [TS]

  think she veers towards the gimmicky I [TS]

  mean it's a hell of a screen it's a hell [TS]

  of a screen presence but i'm always [TS]

  going to prefer Rosalind Russell to [TS]

  Katharine Hepburn in terms of grand old [TS]

  downs and but i have to say that I can't [TS]

  see Roz Russell doing this one and [TS]

  there's a point where cats were on [TS]

  Elinor's fondly recalling when she went [TS]

  on the Crusades because she was a huge [TS]

  backup the Second Crusade and she went [TS]

  out and it's kind of a big deal but I'm [TS]

  and the line is I even made pour lui her [TS]

  first husband King of France Louie take [TS]

  me on crusade how's that for blast to be [TS]

  addressed my maids Amazons and rode bare [TS]

  breasted halfway to Damascus Louie had a [TS]

  seizure and I damn near died of wind [TS]

  burn but the troops were dazzled equinix [TS]

  just circle maybe it's in the every line [TS]

  is this beautiful setup and the [TS]

  knockdown and setup and the knockdown um [TS]

  and and the music is fantastic [TS]

  I best of all it's not a ren fair or in [TS]

  SC a type of oh the nobility is clean [TS]

  and and the sets are gorgeous and rumors [TS]

  gowns I it's just it's grainy the only [TS]

  way you can tell Henry that the king is [TS]

  you can be bothered to put on a circle [TS]

  and he's just as grainy and and shovels [TS]

  everybody else there are dogs sleeping [TS]

  under the table people are sleeping on [TS]

  piles of strong the Florence is very [TS]

  true to life it to what it was and I [TS]

  think that had something to it as well [TS]

  it's again if you are going if you're [TS]

  going home for the holidays only with [TS]

  the greatest of reluctance or you are [TS]

  stealing yourself for some inevitable [TS]

  relative showing up [TS]

  watch this movie ahead of time because [TS]

  you will be smirking to yourself the [TS]

  rest of the holiday season and this is a [TS]

  screenplay is James golden who's the the [TS]

  brother of william goldman yeah there's [TS]

  there's a remake they did a couple years [TS]

  ago the BBC did were i believe it's the [TS]

  BBC it's patrick stewart as Henry the [TS]

  second and Glenn Close is Eleanor I [TS]

  haven't worked out for the DVD yet and [TS]

  I'd love to see Patrick Stewart I'm just [TS]

  not not sure I want to see Glenn Close [TS]

  that makes sense but maybe youtube can [TS]

  do a mashup where it's patrick stewart [TS]

  and Katharine Hepburn that sound again [TS]

  gauge but it's well worth i'm not i'm [TS]

  not sure returning classic movies is [TS]

  going to show it during the holiday [TS]

  season but they usually show it during [TS]

  their third 31 days of Oscar so keep an [TS]

  eye out for items for 24 hours and just [TS]

  dip in dependent value Y is y is y is [TS]

  Jeffrey advocating mutiny what is going [TS]

  on why are they had a Chinese restaurant [TS]

  knows dance move i have never seen this [TS]

  movie I I am blown away i need to see [TS]

  this i is forever different fantastic [TS]

  never T the chew the scenery they spit [TS]

  it out they create new scenery to shoe [TS]

  and spin it again and it's historically [TS]

  barely accurate peter o'toole is [TS]

  fantastic because he makes you what he [TS]

  make he makes you understand than half [TS]

  of being a king is convincing other [TS]

  people that your kingly and then that's [TS]

  in the other actors who are stuck with [TS]

  planning & Sons actually do a fantastic [TS]

  job of explaining how the Plantagenet [TS]

  dynasty was kind of do before it started [TS]

  because that you know Henry the second [TS]

  was kind of the peak of it was all [TS]

  downhill after that even though Richard [TS]

  was technically the lion-hearted he [TS]

  bankrupted England and you know John [TS]

  prompted the Magna Carta it's come for [TS]

  the dialogue stay for the acting I just [TS]

  really this is one of my desert island [TS]

  movies as well as one of my Christmas [TS]

  favorites so I really love this movie [TS]

  you handing back on his heels like Lou [TS]

  visualize that's a good sign to know [TS]

  that they had it so I had a sort of war [TS]

  myself to say Andy shut up because this [TS]

  is sort of movie you can spend 30 [TS]

  minutes talking about another let's say [TS]

  we get a word in edgewise is it is an [TS]

  intensely solid choice it is also it is [TS]

  also on that list of movies where it's [TS]

  like okay well i only get it at that's [TS]

  great i put in a lot of work together to [TS]

  finish this thing on time and got maybe [TS]

  another 45 minutes worth of work but [TS]

  they're not expecting it till noon and [TS]

  that's two or three hours away [TS]

  I'm good I'll definitely make this the [TS]

  consensus on time like all [TS]

  wrap this movies on this my husband and [TS]

  I can I know I can't do anything but [TS]

  watch this [TS]

  oh damn it will act of god what I do [TS]

  it's America know and it's just there's [TS]

  it's such a good movie [TS]

  oh yeah maybe it really it really [TS]

  underscores absolutely like why Peter [TS]

  O'Toole is one of the greatest actors [TS]

  that that the passing of the years I've [TS]

  ever you get that had been working the [TS]

  past 50 years because you see him when [TS]

  he's on you see like a Richard Harrison [TS]

  peter o'toole the other actors like when [TS]

  they are mostly down to playing you know [TS]

  Richard Harris or peter o'toole exactly [TS]

  that you have to see you see him on the [TS]

  chalk shows and they have these great [TS]

  stories about being drunk actors in [TS]

  their early twenties and they're great [TS]

  stories but you forget that these are [TS]

  these people who were on some sort of [TS]

  reality show and that's how the name is [TS]

  out there they got there they became [TS]

  famous actors after 15 years of nothing [TS]

  but great role after great role after [TS]

  great role and this my I think I i think [TS]

  that this is only my second favorite [TS]

  peter o'toole performance beyond the [TS]

  only second only to his role in the [TS]

  stuntman because if there is ever a [TS]

  stuntman te plaĆ®t plays he plays as [TS]

  that crazy director exactly please King [TS]

  in in that movie he plays God in this [TS]

  one because he plays a direct a director [TS]

  who like within this for this realm is [TS]

  like any if I want something to happen [TS]

  it happens because I wanted it to happen [TS]

  if you're on my set I control and really [TS]

  completely you don't know whether he's [TS]

  insane or a genius but that is the [TS]

  that's the only other roller can say oh [TS]

  it's such a hard choice to make between [TS]

  those do anyway you can practically see [TS]

  Anthony Hopkins picking up tips and his [TS]

  scenes quickly and Hawkins has a good [TS]

  seem to when to let you have a family [TS]

  dynamics put up there are five minute [TS]

  there are six main characters Alice the [TS]

  mistress Henry and Eleanor the [TS]

  squabbling monarch / parents and then [TS]

  the three sons Richard Jeffrey the [TS]

  conniving little Sun and then John [TS]

  two-out-of-three these guys become kings [TS]

  the way the way the loyalty split up is [TS]

  Richard back to his mother when she [TS]

  tried to overthrow Henry and put their [TS]

  now deceased brother and put their now [TS]

  deceased son Henry on the throne [TS]

  there's a lot of Henry's and John back [TS]

  his father and Jeffrey plays [TS]

  both sides against the middle and [TS]

  actually tries to make an end around and [TS]

  run around everybody but there's there's [TS]

  a scene where Henry is wondering why [TS]

  Richard never warmed to him and and why [TS]

  there's this huge disconnect and anthony [TS]

  hopkins you could have called you could [TS]

  have called anytime and i would have [TS]

  come to your side and you never once [TS]

  looked at me and I've seen this movie [TS]

  about I'd say 1015 times and everytime i [TS]

  see that seen it still breaks my heart [TS]

  and that's because it feels fresh every [TS]

  time that it's it's good acting [TS]

  it's it's not hackneyed it's not cliche [TS]

  it's not one of those things where you [TS]

  know what's coming you can practically [TS]

  mouth the dialogue it's just it's very [TS]

  fresh organic moment and again the [TS]

  writing a snap-in brilliant there is not [TS]

  a bad performance of a lot the [TS]

  historical details really throw you and [TS]

  22 of the mindset we understand how it [TS]

  can be that parents and children are [TS]

  actively scheming to kill each other [TS]

  I'm just ended set of Christmas so it's [TS]

  best we can but it really basically the [TS]

  same plot as Black Christmas so but most [TS]

  most film spring spring from Black [TS]

  Christmas there are no virgins to be [TS]

  killed in this film so you know everyone [TS]

  loves her a Jason confused about [TS]

  something I think there's still one [TS]

  package left to open tonight [TS]

  contact it's left to open yes that's [TS]

  right we could save for the next night [TS]

  of Hanukkah is it isn't alone offers a [TS]

  full of burning crap or is it full of [TS]

  something delightful it is full of [TS]

  delightfully burning crap i have my my [TS]

  selections and first I'm going to say [TS]

  that that the guy i had to choose [TS]

  between two episodes of animated TV [TS]

  series that aired on fox [TS]

  so it was it was a close one because I [TS]

  dearly love and perhaps will induct a [TS]

  future holiday movie vault the episode [TS]

  of futurama called xmas story where in [TS]

  where in Santa is a murderous robot that [TS]

  duh strikes fear into the population of [TS]

  Earth as he tries to kill everybody [TS]

  voice of John Goodman which I believe [TS]

  they actually didn't air originally [TS]

  because they were afraid of how awful i [TS]

  think i confirm this with david cohen [TS]

  sorry glinting when I when the [TS]

  mysterious came on and [TS]

  it was they had a delayed i think a year [TS]

  because it was so horrifying and [TS]

  terrifying to the studio executives and [TS]

  only they could bring themselves to air [TS]

  it but by the next year they'd already [TS]

  destroyed the show viewership enough the [TS]

  studio was willing to bet that was going [TS]

  to show it because i didn't think i was [TS]

  watching it because Cassandra is like [TS]

  weapons and he tries to kill everybody [TS]

  that's a and and uh not as good as Black [TS]

  Christmas it's it's good and that's how [TS]

  they celebrate xmas in the year 3000 [TS]

  this is they they honor the murderous [TS]

  Santa and the the episode here's a [TS]

  little trivia bit the episode begins [TS]

  with the super title based on a true [TS]

  story [TS]

  who why but no i'm not i'm not actually [TS]

  gonna gonna pick that one instead i'm [TS]

  going to pick an episode of the Fox [TS]

  animated series the tick called the [TS]

  tickle of Santa but it was a saturday [TS]

  morning cartoon show on Fox before it [TS]

  became a brief and brilliant light [TS]

  action comedy on Fox and primetime and [TS]

  the animation is crude but the writing [TS]

  is incredibly sharp the writing is a [TS]

  sharp as the animation is crude and Fox [TS]

  actually aired this episode in primetime [TS]

  as a kind of a Christmas special and [TS]

  it's great it's really clever the idea [TS]

  is there's a department store addresses [TS]

  a department store Santa and he he he's [TS]

  a criminal and he gets accidentally [TS]

  electrocuted but rather than dying he he [TS]

  has this superpower where multiple [TS]

  versions amount of himself created and [TS]

  this is created a super villain known as [TS]

  multiple Santa multiple Santa decides to [TS]

  go of it ultimately to the city dam [TS]

  which is hydroelectric power and he's [TS]

  going to electrocute himself and create [TS]

  an army of millions of multiple Santa's [TS]

  each of whom basically just says 00 over [TS]

  and over again as they swarmed the city [TS]

  creating chaos and and just horrible [TS]

  crimes that happen [TS]

  so that's that's the that's your [TS]

  superhero plot and it has to be thwarted [TS]

  by the tech in his sidekick arthur but [TS]

  maybe the best thing about it is the [TS]

  tech is this character who is a who is [TS]

  very innocent and and we learn early on [TS]

  in this in this episode that he believes [TS]

  in Santa completely you [TS]

  is he he's a believer in sand and this [TS]

  episode walks a line because it's the [TS]

  children's cartoon that adults watched [TS]

  include me but it is it was on [TS]

  originally in you know the daytime it [TS]

  and and so it never takes a position on [TS]

  Santa being real or not but the tick [TS]

  does the tick believes that's that Santa [TS]

  is real and Arthur doesn't and what ends [TS]

  up happening is because he's upset that [TS]

  the multiple Santa because he thinks [TS]

  it's anna turns out it's not Santa [TS]

  however Israel and in fact Santa is a [TS]

  almost a he's surrounded by Secret [TS]

  Service like group of elves and big red [TS]

  is on the rooftop big red is coming down [TS]

  the stairs now so so big red santa the [TS]

  real Santa decides to meet with the [TS]

  ticket Arthur and they see his whole [TS]

  security contingent which is elves [TS]

  literally Secret Service agent elves [TS]

  they've got dark glasses and little ear [TS]

  pieces and the tip comes and briefs them [TS]

  about about how it gives him a pep talk [TS]

  and says you got to take care of [TS]

  multiple Santa and as he's doing this he [TS]

  occasionally just hands presence to them [TS]

  just like it here have this and [TS]

  communities talk because that's that's [TS]

  it Santa Claus right so is taken streets [TS]

  like okay Santa Israel and then they [TS]

  have to go and they they have to stop [TS]

  the multiple Santa and and you know it [TS]

  was ridiculous and just I think that the [TS]

  the climax at the city damn where [TS]

  they've got the hydroelectric plant and [TS]

  any and of course it all works out and [TS]

  and Santa thanks them for their service [TS]

  and all that but i love it because it's [TS]

  it's a it's funny it's a it's got a nice [TS]

  take not quite as murderous as the xmas [TS]

  santa from futurama but still it's funny [TS]

  the bad guy is not just one Santa but [TS]

  many many Santas and who they're up to [TS]

  no good and then the real Santa has to [TS]

  come and and give the assignment and [TS]

  he's treated with a sort of proper [TS]

  reference so it's a it's a it's a gym [TS]

  and I think it's on [TS]

  I don't know if it's on streaming but i [TS]

  know that the tick a season two I [TS]

  believe is on DVD of the animated series [TS]

  is all on DVD now and i love it and it's [TS]

  a great series but the tickle of Santa [TS]

  great episode so I want to toss it in [TS]

  the vault original comic books i read [TS]

  the watch [TS]

  the original cartoon series one area and [TS]

  reruns and I even mildly enjoyed the [TS]

  crazy live-action series our little [TS]

  which I love because the Creator has [TS]

  been was last name is lieutenant yeah [TS]

  but his thing is you know we were [TS]

  negotiating for the cartoon my lawyer [TS]

  said just keep something back he was [TS]

  going to keep something back so we [TS]

  decided to keep back the live-action [TS]

  rights because no one's ever gonna make [TS]

  a lot of action version of this while [TS]

  Ben Edlund who went on to work on Angel [TS]

  and firefly believe and also [TS]

  supernatural well very clear that the [TS]

  tickets a great character and that is a [TS]

  great episode [TS]

  don't let don't let the cheap cheap [TS]

  animation fool you that the three [TS]

  seasons of the animated tick and the [TS]

  live-action 1r are great but being [TS]

  married holiday everyone was trying to [TS]

  think what TV episodes have had TV shows [TS]

  with Christmas episodes have I really [TS]

  liked my thought about I thought about [TS]

  it for a while i was thinking about [TS]

  dramas and very special Christmas [TS]

  episodes and also kind of modeling [TS]

  christmas episode of mash and things [TS]

  like that and suddenly I was like oh you [TS]

  know what it's the tick I i love outside [TS]

  of the Charlie Brown Christmas that [TS]

  would be the next place i would go for a [TS]

  tad animated Christmas think so strongly [TS]

  Caldwell related tick trivia which is [TS]

  that Josh believe it was originally [TS]

  supposed to be our threw them off and [TS]

  live-action version of the show but they [TS]

  wouldn't release them from sports night [TS]

  even though the show had been canceled [TS]

  ah shameful i know it only last about [TS]

  seven episodes 4 episodes a lot of [TS]

  Andrews that's also on DVD i have those [TS]

  that's great that's great great [TS]

  yeah and created by created in in my [TS]

  locale was published by New England [TS]

  comics yes my comic book store growing [TS]

  up [TS]

  me too yeah they have a waiver I guess [TS]

  the recoloring all the old dishes of the [TS]

  original theory they're gonna we're [TS]

  gonna sell the hell out of those 12 [TS]

  issues whatever I mean there are only [TS]

  yet 12 or 13 I had one once and if you [TS]

  have to wear is though there's a [TS]

  collection I mean I did those issues are [TS]

  available in many forms because you know [TS]

  comics can keep making money on the [TS]

  night [TS]

  it's like a large building i have my [TS]

  flaming carrot comics but i do not have [TS]

  takes oh yeah i wish' i wish the tix [TS]

  rights were kind of resolved better [TS]

  because that would be nice to see see [TS]

  more more stuff than there is in in high [TS]

  school my friend [TS]

  and occasionally comfortable contributor [TS]

  Jason tachi and I designed a tick [TS]

  role-playing game [TS]

  wow that was hilarious like basically [TS]

  just makes used to like screw around for [TS]

  a couple hours on the computer and come [TS]

  up with ridiculous rules for a game i [TS]

  think it had skills including like [TS]

  doorknob operation was a skill in that [TS]

  came and many other references to the [TS]

  series 19 vulnerability that kind of [TS]

  stuff I so I i should say yes and he's [TS]

  nine vulnerable not completely dry and I [TS]

  invulnerable up one thing that I'm not [TS]

  not Christmas but Thanksgiving at my [TS]

  notice [TS]

  Michael Gartenberg who is our our pal [TS]

  and was on the stretcher to episode [TS]

  every year watches the to Thanksgiving [TS]

  episode of the west wing on thanksgiving [TS]

  and i actually had a little bit of time [TS]

  while I was preparing a Thanksgiving [TS]

  dinner and I watched by watching one of [TS]

  the lobby [TS]

  I i well Indians in the lobby and uh [TS]

  what's the other one called well no no [TS]

  no Thomas one it's the one with the [TS]

  Chinese immigrants who are Christians [TS]

  and therefore triple-a Shiva left yeah [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  excellent you know those are pretty good [TS]

  i have my criticisms of especially later [TS]

  days west wing Sorkin but those are [TS]

  pretty good too but just to throw them [TS]

  out there as some nice holiday episode [TS]

  for holidays that aren't in december [TS]

  because not all holidays are in december [TS]

  as the holiday and taught us along with [TS]

  the lesson about horrible radar look [TS]

  thanks go ahead there's a darker episode [TS]

  that i didn't expect no one expects the [TS]

  spanish inquisition Christmas itself but [TS]

  as a Jew I don't really have much [TS]

  experience with this Christmas thing [TS]

  that gets me you know there are there [TS]

  any good Hanukkah anything's I don't [TS]

  think that you are you know you're [TS]

  alienating the Hebrew ever actually the [TS]

  hebrew hammer is an excellently I will I [TS]

  will seriously lyerly is the co-star no [TS]

  no it's judy greer one match your career [TS]

  planning a better to degrade and Adam [TS]

  Goldstein and it's an animal is his [TS]

  hammer is MC Hammer in that know if [TS]

  you're not and you're not familiar with [TS]

  the overhand no no no [TS]

  so it is basically the interval another [TS]

  black white asian films [TS]

  but about cruising with whole arias and [TS]

  awesome would it be safe for college [TS]

  exploitations it is in fact an often [TS]

  called a disappointing isn't very funny [TS]

  but yes he's kinda got an afro sort of [TS]

  pimped out but he's got superpowers this [TS]

  great bit where he engineer fighting [TS]

  andy dick was santa claus's son who's [TS]

  killed Santa class i think and wants to [TS]

  take over all holidays and they're [TS]

  fighting away and then the sun goes down [TS]

  there like oh jus powers fading is the [TS]

  Sabbath in the potty training other [TS]

  powers sometimes it's a really i don't i [TS]

  saw it in the theater [TS]

  believe it or not are you standing there [TS]

  was fantastic is a great movie is on [TS]

  netflix streaming you can get their [TS]

  Mario Van Peebles is actually in this [TS]

  movie to Peter Coyote it's a crazy crazy [TS]

  film melvin van peebles in this movie [TS]

  well sure i highly highly recommended [TS]

  isn't always the best Hanukkah related [TS]

  movie one setting aside eight crazy [TS]

  nights I mean it isn't the LC your [TS]

  there's one other isn't there now we [TS]

  don't we don't admit that exists so uh [TS]

  what one of these days what we need to [TS]

  do is get get even more negative and [TS]

  talk about the things that we would like [TS]

  to put a holiday movie purgatory but [TS]

  that would probably be another podcast [TS]

  the holiday movie incinerator bank and [TS]

  pass but not now [TS]

  and Andy besides that Sandy's gig right [TS]

  rankin/bass isn't that bad and he's the [TS]

  guy who brings you down with your [TS]

  beloved with your beloved na old things [TS]

  that was very emissary of God on this [TS]

  plane I don't find the standards for [TS]

  sanity for the rest yeah that's how it [TS]

  is you have a problem with that take it [TS]

  up with God not with me [TS]

  okay well with that hear the sound [TS]

  effects that you candy is requesting [TS]

  that I'm not going to put it of the [TS]

  vault door is being closed and slam shot [TS]

  for another year [TS]

  this has been this has been great this [TS]

  was a lot of fun and I got some more [TS]

  movies that i need to go watch including [TS]

  the line and winter from Lisa that's a [TS]

  good one that I had not even double [TS]

  features with the hebrew hammer very [TS]

  well that's good that's good at holiday [TS]

  inn but only the 1si it's like chocolate [TS]

  pretzels you wouldn't think about it i [TS]

  will soon as you take them together wow [TS]

  yeah all right so this is great i want [TS]

  to thank everybody for coming [TS]

  Lisa thanks for being here alright [TS]

  thanks guys by inflation thank you for [TS]

  bringing your selection and I thank you [TS]

  for tolerating me [TS]

  yes no I appreciate [TS]

  for another year thank you yes for [TS]

  another year indian taco thank you very [TS]

  much [TS]

  you've been very good this year jason i [TS]

  hope you get the paddle ball with you [TS]

  test group us for me too me too it's the [TS]

  top of my list right at the top [TS]

  damn more'n thanks for being here I'm [TS]

  gonna shoot somebody I up [TS]

  gonna shoot somebody I up [TS]

  can't say who fouled out of the mixed [TS]

  and is another dark turn in this episode [TS]

  and Steve let's thank you [TS]

  it has been a pleasure dragging your [TS]

  otherwise congenial holiday podcast into [TS]

  the horror movie ghetto it's great i [TS]

  expect nothing less of you with a [TS]

  witness that I i hear noises on the [TS]

  rooftop kids I think it's john siracusa [TS]

  who's come to bring commentary to go to [TS]

  bed because if he sees you awake [TS]

  he's not going to visit so he'll visit [TS]

  and i'll tell you give you an itemized [TS]

  list of why you should be asleep but yes [TS]

  and on that note I would like to thank [TS]

  everybody for listening to this episode [TS]

  of the incomparable have her have a [TS]

  happy holiday everybody right right yeah [TS]

  happy holidays or or if you prefer an [TS]

  unhappy holiday some of our movies will [TS]

  serve that to do [TS]

  dudas see you next time [TS]

  dr. collected the fact that this is the [TS]

  most special Christmas [TS]