The Incomparable

116: Very Well-Read Hobos

 

  the entire purple number 160 November 20 [TS]

  well [TS]

  welcome back to be interoperable podcast [TS]

  this is jason snail and we are doing a [TS]

  podcast this week that you asked for [TS]

  you asked for it especially if your name [TS]

  is and i'm going to completely put your [TS]

  this name I feel like John Syracuse on [TS]

  that for critical who butchers the names [TS]

  of everybody some feedback proton [TS]

  stopped have is the name way to have an [TS]

  easy name by the way and it says hey and [TS]

  comparables I love your shows and I [TS]

  choose books to read mainly based on [TS]

  your recommendations which is awesome [TS]

  which basically means Scott's [TS]

  recommendation so good job Scott McNulty [TS]

  who joins me hi Scott [TS]

  you're welcome I'm introducing you in [TS]

  the middle of proton studies mail [TS]

  because why not it's a what [TS]

  why not he's just a loyal listener we [TS]

  might as well be a little bit as much as [TS]

  possible [TS]

  have you considered doing a show about [TS]

  how you read since a big portion of the [TS]

  episodes deal with books it seems [TS]

  natural to have a show about your [TS]

  preferences ebook or paperback favorite [TS]

  time to read style etc thanks and good [TS]

  luck [TS]

  I like that that's like you know what if [TS]

  you actually listen to me you are [TS]

  totally screwed but here we are we [TS]

  listened to you and and that's the topic [TS]

  and we'll talk also about what we're [TS]

  reading also joining me in addition to [TS]

  Scott McNulty who is the man who tells [TS]

  us what to read most of the time are two [TS]

  men who are highly well-read Dan Morgan [TS]

  hi Dan [TS]

  alright Jason I'm here to read books and [TS]

  chew bubblegum I'm all out above them [TS]

  all right well then books it is and it [TS]

  turns out he hasn't seen it but he has [TS]

  read it it's lex friedman hi Lex I Jason [TS]

  I I haven't seen it because I've been [TS]

  too busy reading I I Reading Is [TS]

  Fundamental he read the novelization of [TS]

  it right I really yeah that's gonna [TS]

  haven't seen the Star Wars but I've read [TS]

  ahead at the bookstore was something [TS]

  books it's close it's the same really [TS]

  yes it's really exactly the same but [TS]

  John Serkis just had a minor stroke out [TS]

  there but it's not the same [TS]

  that's good that's a good syracuse [TS]

  actually i haven't told that sounds like [TS]

  him [TS]

  that's true that's true there's a moment [TS]

  in the last week's podcast that was a [TS]

  one of those moments where he gets a [TS]

  little bit randy anything no it's not [TS]

  like that [TS]

  that's as great a pure John syracuse it [TS]

  but anyway John isn't here because he's [TS]

  a very slow reader and so he didn't want [TS]

  to be on this podcast he it's true hehe [TS]

  you take some time to read so he reads [TS]

  these thousand-page book so it takes [TS]

  like six months i gave him a book to [TS]

  read about nine months ago and he [TS]

  assured me that he was nearing the [TS]

  one-third months working on it is but [TS]

  I'm working on it [TS]

  he has never finished one of his own OS [TS]

  10 reviews no I'm not here I believe he [TS]

  writes faster than he reads in fact that [TS]

  his heart not hard to believe it is [TS]

  amazing so pretend status email I how do [TS]

  we read I I think I thought that was an [TS]

  interesting topic because i switch to a [TS]

  kindle a couple of years ago my last [TS]

  paper book was a Neal Stephenson book it [TS]

  was a anthem which weighs about three [TS]

  pounds in hardcover and I said I'm never [TS]

  doing this again and I got I got a [TS]

  Kindle and I've actually been reading a [TS]

  whole lot more sense then i I'm I'm a [TS]

  public transit commuter and so I've got [TS]

  about 45 minutes to an hour every [TS]

  morning and every evening on the bus so [TS]

  when I got the kindle i switch my [TS]

  newspaper subscription to uh to the [TS]

  kindle version and I started buying [TS]

  books on the kindle and I I didn't bring [TS]

  novels are things with me when I woodham [TS]

  when I would go on the bus i just would [TS]

  be like especially three-pound [TS]

  hardcovers right so now just read this [TS]

  one at home and i ended up reading a [TS]

  whole lot more and buying a whole lot [TS]

  more which I suspect is Amazon's entire [TS]

  ploy right [TS]

  really it's easy to buy things and then [TS]

  I've got like ten books that i haven't [TS]

  haven't actually read that i bought that [TS]

  are sitting on my kindle but in general [TS]

  it's really transformed how I read [TS]

  because I i'm reading in places that I [TS]

  wouldn't have read before because I [TS]

  wouldn't have a book with me but now I [TS]

  have my kindle with me or I've got my [TS]

  iphone and I can read the same book on [TS]

  my iPhone and its really changed how I [TS]

  how I read books to the point where I've [TS]

  essentially stopped reading paper books [TS]

  entirely so that's that sort of the [TS]

  overview of my story and i'm curious how [TS]

  you guys uh how you guys read where you [TS]

  read and [TS]

  how that's changed with the advent of [TS]

  some of this electronic stuff Scott you [TS]

  are our Lord and Master when it comes to [TS]

  books and i know you have every reader [TS]

  into the Sun so you your purely digital [TS]

  now right you don't read paper books [TS]

  you've got every ereader ever [TS]

  well I one might assume that and I that [TS]

  would be a a faulty assumption i know [TS]

  it's shocking [TS]

  I i do love reading on my kindle and for [TS]

  all the reasons you listed and I do have [TS]

  more candles than any one person who [TS]

  really has no reason to have as many [TS]

  kids as i do should i ahh [TS]

  although i had to be fair to myself [TS]

  since I am talking i do write books [TS]

  about candles so if item you buy them at [TS]

  multiple cards read them on your kindle [TS]

  you could which defeats f1 of my kindle [TS]

  books was released only on the kindle [TS]

  and nobody bought it because it was a [TS]

  book about how to use the kindle if you [TS]

  couldn't use your kindle it was you [TS]

  couldn't buy them anyway that was a a an [TS]

  experiment that failed so I do i do read [TS]

  a lot of books on my kindle but also i [TS]

  love actual physical books as well and i [TS]

  am sitting in a room with probably i [TS]

  don't know 1200 books surrounding me and [TS]

  there that I would be crushed under [TS]

  books and on my desk I have two tablets [TS]

  and a book from the library so I i read [TS]

  in a variety of ways mostly because used [TS]

  books are so darn cheap they're they're [TS]

  far cheaper then like if you go into the [TS]

  back catalogue generally a used book is [TS]

  cheaper than a kindle book so i will buy [TS]

  a used book instead of a kindle book if [TS]

  I care about saving money and also i can [TS]

  use my amazon points to buy physical [TS]

  items but not digital items if I if [TS]

  Amazon let me use points to buy kindle [TS]

  books i buy a lot more kindle books so [TS]

  when I was in Portland the summer I went [TS]

  to powell's bookstore the city books [TS]

  it's beautiful amazing bookstore him [TS]

  you've been there Scott right i have [TS]

  since your wife is from Oregon see drop [TS]

  in the Scottish melty knowledge [TS]

  look at you uh and that is such a great [TS]

  store and they have used a new books [TS]

  together throughout the store so you can [TS]

  sort of choose user new and i bought the [TS]

  airfare again another Scott McNulty [TS]

  recommendation right it's a jasper [TS]

  fforde yes it is just before its first [TS]

  book in the ones you thursday next [TS]

  sunday next friday next thursday [TS]

  thursday night opening on friday next [TS]

  friday next is a different character [TS]

  energy is true so so I'm and that was I [TS]

  i actually was in piles and piles has a [TS]

  has Wi-Fi they actually have an app that [TS]

  gives you a map of the story lets you do [TS]

  point-to-point directions if you don't [TS]

  know where you are because it's a huge [TS]

  store but I looked up what the cost of [TS]

  the book was in the the used book was [TS]

  cheaper so i bought it and it was weird [TS]

  reading paper books again but it was a [TS]

  better deal there there's no doubt about [TS]

  it and the library right is the best [TS]

  deal of all because those books true are [TS]

  free [TS]

  it is it is a communism but if you can [TS]

  if you can get over that it's it's a [TS]

  good deal [TS]

  yeah it's a good deal but I want them [TS]

  back that's the problem i do is we're [TS]

  eating them in a window that's always i [TS]

  read with the second Patrick Rothfuss [TS]

  book which we did a podcast about the [TS]

  the wise man's fear that was a library [TS]

  book and I read it under pressure [TS]

  because I knew that it was due and i had [TS]

  to get it back 1,000 pages and it was [TS]

  due to ensure and they could have a [TS]

  deadline so it's free but yeah but it [TS]

  was a debt book under a deadline strap [TS]

  that helps that helps me read faster [TS]

  that's true and i have the good fortune [TS]

  of working at university so if I which [TS]

  also has a gigantic library if i take a [TS]

  book out there i can keep it out for [TS]

  like five months huh [TS]

  my wife works at the library so I [TS]

  actually could probably have kept a book [TS]

  out forever but it-it-it was supposedly [TS]

  due in a couple of weeks and I felt a [TS]

  lot of pressure also is very heavy so I [TS]

  only read it in bed because I didn't [TS]

  take it with me on the bus because it [TS]

  was too heavy [TS]

  which gets me back to my original kindle [TS]

  point which is Kindle is just so damn [TS]

  convenient dan how are you how are you [TS]

  reading what it what are you one word at [TS]

  a time Jason [TS]

  one word inside that's good advice you [TS]

  were just saving that up [TS]

  I yeah I've been like 10 minutes now [TS]

  we're gonna say that it's got Scott was [TS]

  talking unusually a lot i know this is [TS]

  this is gonna be Scott's highest talking [TS]

  you strong a bunch of words together [TS]

  that's good what we're talking about [TS]

  books and any books too i mean this is [TS]

  like catnip for Scott writing is Bala [TS]

  Lake here [TS]

  that's right well I mean I grew up as a [TS]

  house full of librarians it was strange [TS]

  i don't know they're all doing they're [TS]

  the kind of like that you little bit [TS]

  like hobos but they're very well read [TS]

  hobo so it'sit's you know you do what [TS]

  you can't I don't know I I i have i have [TS]

  a kindle which I acquired last year i [TS]

  think and several iPads and yet I think [TS]

  I probably still read most of my books [TS]

  in in flesh and blood or palm and [TS]

  binding i guess and I end I think a lot [TS]

  of it is intangible reasons i just kind [TS]

  of loads to part with that in the same [TS]

  way that I think there are lots of [TS]

  people the people who continually tell [TS]

  us how much they love LPS / mp3's I [TS]

  think I'm i think I'm that person for [TS]

  books [TS]

  let's just say it's not that i want i [TS]

  know i hate those people i hate myself [TS]

  to a little bit but i I just I don't [TS]

  know there's something about the the [TS]

  book as a medium that I really enjoy i [TS]

  still have an easier time it's not so [TS]

  much the the like physical act of [TS]

  reading but something there's something [TS]

  mental going on where I don't retain [TS]

  stuff as well and I think it has to do [TS]

  with the way I process when i read stuff [TS]

  because i often jump back and reread [TS]

  like I'm reading like a paragraph and [TS]

  then all jump back to the top of the [TS]

  paraffin read it again [TS]

  I don't know why it's just the way my [TS]

  brain works but i find it harder to do [TS]

  some of those things are kinda like foot [TS]

  back page and then it becomes conscious [TS]

  instead of sort of unconscious and that [TS]

  to me is is takes me out of the [TS]

  experience of reading a lot of times and [TS]

  so I think I find that that a little [TS]

  difficult and I don't know I i like the [TS]

  convenience factor a lot and I like the [TS]

  e-ink screen I've had a much better time [TS]

  I've written I've read a couple books on [TS]

  the ipad 2 and that I think is that [TS]

  might be my least favorite of the of the [TS]

  meat [TS]

  x yeah we'll talk i think we'll probably [TS]

  talk about that more but yeah i agree [TS]

  the either or something about me and [TS]

  some people are like why would you even [TS]

  have a kindle but you think it's better [TS]

  it's different it yeah it is different [TS]

  from from a computer screen or an iPad [TS]

  or an iPhone screen and I think beyond [TS]

  the the physicality and just the innate [TS]

  nature that there's there are some [TS]

  principle issues at stake here which is [TS]

  to say for one thing i don't really not [TS]

  a really fan of the way that ebooks work [TS]

  in terms of their which were in a period [TS]

  right now that's kind of like you know [TS]

  the pre drm-free music where everything [TS]

  is locked down everything sold on [TS]

  individual stores ensures Kindles you [TS]

  know amazon's great about letting you [TS]

  take your kindle books and put it on [TS]

  your iPad or your iPhone but the idea of [TS]

  having a book that I can't readily lend [TS]

  to my friend is kind of a turnoff you [TS]

  know and the idea just in principle of [TS]

  drm on a book is not one that i really i [TS]

  really like is this thing where you know [TS]

  I don't really own my books into a [TS]

  certain extent you know if Amazon [TS]

  desired decided they could revoke all of [TS]

  my all of my books and that that makes [TS]

  me a little wary of of paying for things [TS]

  in you know i think i have on a couple [TS]

  occasions now use the library to borrow [TS]

  an e-book which is nice but in sanely [TS]

  complicated and the rights there are [TS]

  even worse i've done that and and I you [TS]

  know I've been pretty happy with it but [TS]

  it's not easy to use because you've got [TS]

  to go to the library website and then it [TS]

  sort of channels you through to the [TS]

  amazon website or yeah or i mean really [TS]

  if you're I overdrive using an iPad and [TS]

  over try this it's terrible [TS]

  yes my works the library she has told me [TS]

  detail had terrible over unlike you I [TS]

  have I mean my parents both left their [TS]

  library and careers before he looks [TS]

  really a big a popular but i have a1 [TS]

  cousin who's a library and a elementary [TS]

  school and she is very she loves [TS]

  technology and she's really technology [TS]

  savvy and then she talks about you know [TS]

  listen to audiobooks on audible or [TS]

  getting ebooks from overdrive and she's [TS]

  so bad [TS]

  yeah yeah it's it's not like i said my [TS]

  wife my wife doesn't end there there's [TS]

  actually a great [TS]

  it's a great piece out there that are [TS]

  put in the show notes that is a said [TS]

  bring my librarian that basically says [TS]

  sorry books but I'm breaking up with you [TS]

  and it's an extended metaphor about [TS]

  breaking up with a bad boyfriend who [TS]

  seems cool and happened with it but in [TS]

  the end is really just kind of [TS]

  unreliable and self-centered and not [TS]

  worth the trouble and yeah that's ebooks [TS]

  for for libraries and it's too bad i [TS]

  mean i mean if you book if if all you [TS]

  want to do is buy books just you [TS]

  knowlike purchase them from amazon or [TS]

  Apple or you know barnes and noble would [TS]

  have you been any books might work out [TS]

  but i think the lack of flexibility and [TS]

  freedom and I think the idea that sort [TS]

  of innate idea of freedom is something [TS]

  that's very much at the heart of [TS]

  printing and books is the I you know [TS]

  freely exchanged free exchange of ideas [TS]

  and to me that I think that from us from [TS]

  Shirley principal standpoint I there's a [TS]

  lot of things I don't like about a book [TS]

  but also just from a practical [TS]

  standpoint there are things that [TS]

  frustrate me [TS]

  I think that's a mean I think that [TS]

  you're right that the form factor of the [TS]

  book makes it super easy to share and [TS]

  you know distributed company says that [TS]

  the foot yeah the publishing companies [TS]

  low that and they love the fact that [TS]

  they can sell you know individual [TS]

  licenses for e-books and through [TS]

  libraries they can say okay we'll give [TS]

  you you know because it I boggles my [TS]

  mind that i can check out in ebooks from [TS]

  the library and it is actually checked [TS]

  out like they can only yes and only one [TS]

  copy one copy or whatever you buy each [TS]

  copy and then that license only lasts a [TS]

  year right and they have paid and then [TS]

  and in fact there's just a thing the [TS]

  other day to make this a little bit more [TS]

  topical that about penguin renewing you [TS]

  know it's deal with libraries and this [TS]

  becomes scarier when in light of the [TS]

  penguin Random House merger which will [TS]

  make it a gigantic publisher pretty soon [TS]

  you know you run into the issue of you [TS]

  know they've got big sticks right [TS]

  because they're giant publishers and you [TS]

  know to a certain extent you start to [TS]

  lose competition in that relevant [TS]

  they're really not [TS]

  there's no advantage for them to relax [TS]

  that kind of stuff right now because you [TS]

  know there's no there's no competition [TS]

  there's nobody undercutting now also [TS]

  they missed a real opportunity to call [TS]

  themselves random penguin [TS]

  strychnos a living like yeah shame on [TS]

  them but it is it's not it's not a good [TS]

  deal in there they're claiming that it's [TS]

  uh oh well you know the libraries have [TS]

  to replace the books after a certain [TS]

  number of reads yeah but it the books [TS]

  don't expire after here it would just [TS]

  disappear automatically yeah it's not [TS]

  like the book the actual physical books [TS]

  like catch on fire you [TS]

  although if they were publishing [TS]

  companies could figure out how to do [TS]

  that they will probably be sure [TS]

  yeah because let me tell you started a [TS]

  fire in the middle of the library secret [TS]

  IT what have to buy all those books [TS]

  again there's a comment in the chat room [TS]

  which is the e-book should be cheaper [TS]

  because they don't have to be [TS]

  manufactured a ship now the fact is that [TS]

  you know you do need to pay the authors [TS]

  and the create the most important value [TS]

  in the cost of any book is the fact that [TS]

  it's been written and edited by [TS]

  professional people that all said they [TS]

  will be replaced by computer the truth [TS]

  is the value of that book is partially [TS]

  that you can loan it to somebody or sell [TS]

  it to somebody or give it away and [TS]

  eBooks can't you can't do that unless [TS]

  you use you know drm stripping plugins [TS]

  which are widely available if you are [TS]

  you or I mean you can do some lending [TS]

  through amazon but it's very limited.we [TS]

  one time for some boys right exactly but [TS]

  now I think one of the issues is it's [TS]

  not just that they mean if if the book [TS]

  is also printed if it's not just an [TS]

  e-book then they still have to pay for [TS]

  all the expensive printing costs whether [TS]

  you buy that printed book or not like [TS]

  that's where the real cost is for the [TS]

  publishing industry right now still [TS]

  renting these things because they never [TS]

  really got the process that sheep and so [TS]

  I mean when you see ebook only ebooks i [TS]

  find that those are not always but are [TS]

  generally cheaper than their their books [TS]

  that are both available in both formats [TS]

  but if you wanna see like the three four [TS]

  dollar book and I think the writers and [TS]

  getting paid very similar to how they [TS]

  would have gotten it was a twelve [TS]

  fifteen or twenty dollar book it's got [TS]

  to be the ones that don't have a paper [TS]

  counterpart yeah yeah you're right [TS]

  because they're also worried about the [TS]

  economic effects that if they make the [TS]

  e-book that much cheaper than the paper [TS]

  book then nobody will buy the paper book [TS]

  and they don't want that i would really [TS]

  like to see them take a step like the [TS]

  sum of the blu-rays have been doing [TS]

  include an e-book with the book you have [TS]

  a digital copy [TS]

  yeah I want that very much i was on to [TS]

  that for books I bought from them before [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  wouldn't it be great if amazon said [TS]

  every book every paper book you by bus I [TS]

  book match we throat we throw in your [TS]

  books for free yeah yeah that would be [TS]

  now can access them that well and in [TS]

  some cases they were when i bought and I [TS]

  know we talked about this i think maybe [TS]

  a little bit at the time but when i [TS]

  bought the lowest mcmaster bujold copy [TS]

  of crying over and last two years ago I [TS]

  guess it came with a CD that had all the [TS]

  bookseller memory except from memory [TS]

  it's unfortunate that's my favorite one [TS]

  but it was pretty cool lot of research [TS]

  exactly exactly and you can buy and you [TS]

  know I think it's worth you know giving [TS]

  a call out to both bein the publisher [TS]

  there and tour which is also recently [TS]

  dropped drm from its ebooks it's [TS]

  unsurprising me to a certain extent that [TS]

  the science-fiction you know presses are [TS]

  at the forefront of this kind of thing [TS]

  because they are full of nerds [TS]

  presumably who understand that things [TS]

  like the RM don't work right somebody on [TS]

  the in the chatroom said what about the [TS]

  giant libraries we already have now so [TS]

  as as somebody married to a librarian [TS]

  what I'll say is no libraries are great [TS]

  because not everybody has an e-book [TS]

  reader maybe someday they will and [TS]

  because there are all of these issues [TS]

  where the digital books aren't as freely [TS]

  lendable as the ebooks many books are [TS]

  are just not as freely lentils paper [TS]

  books ours and that's just the the fact [TS]

  right now and also because libraries are [TS]

  great for things like helping you find [TS]

  books to read and recommending things [TS]

  for you and i'll tell you talking to a [TS]

  human library and telling them what [TS]

  books you like we'll get you way better [TS]

  results then amazon's recommended for [TS]

  you better and and if you just think of [TS]

  a library as a building in which you [TS]

  store books I think you're really really [TS]

  undervaluing what a library is right [TS]

  it's about the librarians it's a it's a [TS]

  community space for people to gather [TS]

  it's about dissemination of knowledge [TS]

  it's not just by your house [TS]

  people get on the internet there now to [TS]

  that's one of the things that the [TS]

  library is 44 r NRI using dvds in the [TS]

  library we have music and audio body [TS]

  books comic books [TS]

  yeah lots of good stuff I'm I'm holy [TS]

  again as the library sort of do [TS]

  librarians I'm a holy pro library your [TS]

  child with the library dan I am I grew [TS]

  up I could die could redo a decimal [TS]

  before I could [TS]

  actually read wow that's a lie Lex woody [TS]

  what are you reading and how are you [TS]

  reading we haven't gotten to you yet [TS]

  it's right it's funny because you [TS]

  mentioned Jason the last paper book you [TS]

  read I i am almost exclusively book [TS]

  unless I can't find the book any book [TS]

  format or if it's more if it's pricier [TS]

  than the the paper book i will if it's [TS]

  pricier than the book out by the let me [TS]

  try one more time if they book costs [TS]

  more than the paperwork I i tend to get [TS]

  the paper book haha at the last paper [TS]

  book I read was the city and the city on [TS]

  this podcast recommendation i had to get [TS]

  that from the library because it wasn't [TS]

  available at least at that time in ebook [TS]

  format and I realized how much I really [TS]

  strongly as you say Jason prefer reading [TS]

  ebooks instead because I is for me it's [TS]

  the portability is the fact that the [TS]

  book is always with me [TS]

  the problem is I don't feel like I have [TS]

  a lot of time to read I don't have a [TS]

  commute [TS]

  you know I walk from the kitchen into [TS]

  the office and then i'm at work and some [TS]

  haikus along the way and that's about [TS]

  right [TS]

  so I i do almost all my reading in [TS]

  between the time i get in bed and the [TS]

  time I fall asleep i have a kindle to [TS]

  was my first candle and I really liked [TS]

  it and then the ipad came out and i [TS]

  started reading on the ipad instead as [TS]

  Scott screams angrily and I abandoned [TS]

  the kindle entirely then we went on a [TS]

  vacation cruise where i had i took my [TS]

  iPad and Lauren my wife took my old [TS]

  kindle and I was jealous of her reading [TS]

  on the kindle when we were reading at [TS]

  the same time and I decided I have to go [TS]

  back to using the kindle and then [TS]

  eventually I got the the kindle three [TS]

  keyboard i don't know what they call it [TS]

  that but they can build the black [TS]

  candles got the keyboard and I have the [TS]

  fancy case for with the built-in light [TS]

  that's inside the case that you can use [TS]

  this book light and now i do almost all [TS]

  my reading on that and some on the iPad [TS]

  Mini which I find as much better for [TS]

  reading the original iPad was despite or [TS]

  despite the lack of retina display ad [TS]

  that form factor is clearly way better [TS]

  for reading but I do almost all of it [TS]

  like i said in bed before i fall asleep [TS]

  and I I don't miss books i like that [TS]

  these books are you know very very [TS]

  adamant paper books I like these are our [TS]

  portable and light and especially if [TS]

  they're always with me because you know [TS]

  if I want to be able to read at some [TS]

  moment of downtime whatever device i [TS]

  have with me whether it's my mac [TS]

  or ipad or iphone i can get back into [TS]

  the book and that's very helpful for me [TS]

  so that doesn't take me six months to [TS]

  read no Syracuse's style to finish [TS]

  reading the books that I'm after you [TS]

  know I i read the city and the city [TS]

  because it was up for Hugo word i got [TS]

  the they sent a packet to all the voters [TS]

  which it's a great deal you pay fifty [TS]

  bucks and you get every nominated work [TS]

  and includes comics and novels and short [TS]

  stories and it's a great deal anybody [TS]

  who like sci-fi stuff should sign up to [TS]

  be a hugo voter because not only can [TS]

  when you're done can you say this sucked [TS]

  I've this is your feet was terrible i [TS]

  voted last right you could do that but [TS]

  it's a great deal because you get all [TS]

  these works in digital format but the [TS]

  city in the city when I got it was a PDF [TS]

  it wasn't an e-book it was it was a PDF [TS]

  of the hardcover and I read them on my [TS]

  iPad and that was actually a really nice [TS]

  experience and it's one of the if I have [TS]

  a complaint about the ebooks right now [TS]

  it's that I still think that the [TS]

  typography isn't as good as it could be [TS]

  and that the books aren't pretty enough [TS]

  that II think especially I think that if [TS]

  you're looking at a PDF or even [TS]

  something on a retina iPad it's a little [TS]

  bit different there there there light [TS]

  that you know the e-book readers of [TS]

  light but the fonts elections aren't [TS]

  great and the screens are high res [TS]

  enough for it to to be quite as pleasant [TS]

  and the city and the city that I read [TS]

  was you know they picked the typeface [TS]

  and they had somebody at the publishing [TS]

  house looking at every line to see if [TS]

  the hyphenation were good and you know [TS]

  and and it was that all the detail work [TS]

  that goes into a print edition and the [TS]

  ebook edition is kind of an export for [TS]

  microsoft word right [TS]

  it's funny you mention that because you [TS]

  know one recently amazon updated the [TS]

  kindle appellees for iOS so that it can [TS]

  use the publisher supplied front instead [TS]

  of you know having all of your books [TS]

  being one of the same for fonts or I [TS]

  that Amazon's abuses on the E and kindle [TS]

  where you don't even get that option [TS]

  most of the time I tend to tweak the [TS]

  font size in between books because [TS]

  otherwise i found my brain especially if [TS]

  i was reading similar genre books [TS]

  back-to-back my brain was modeling [TS]

  details but if I just tweaked the font [TS]

  size or do something so that it sits a [TS]

  little bit different looking that helped [TS]

  me a lot with not getting confused right [TS]

  that's good and and the most recent [TS]

  update to the e and kindle [TS]

  adds a few fonts as well and publishers [TS]

  can set the fonts which I find annoying [TS]

  because they always pick all fonts for [TS]

  some reason it's like nobody in the [TS]

  publishing industry and has a kindle [TS]

  like a that's better accommodations [TS]

  exist people pick the equity funds [TS]

  having just read and and Dan Scott I [TS]

  think you've read this too is the [TS]

  captain for patrols Alliance the the [TS]

  lowest mcmaster bujold book the latest [TS]

  for closing the book and we'll talk [TS]

  about that in a future episode but what [TS]

  ensure he me about it is that it was the [TS]

  kindle version was locked too [TS]

  while helvetica yes my god that it was [TS]

  awful [TS]

  you know it to be fair my copy was my [TS]

  copy was also walked to a single font [TS]

  but it's on paper that's a little bit [TS]

  easier to do I mean but it was also a [TS]

  little bit is I mean they spend much [TS]

  more time I think writing out the fonts [TS]

  4848 although once I read a book in [TS]

  sans-serif and I was like this is this [TS]

  is the most awful thing i've ever heard [TS]

  not good it'sit's really unplug it [TS]

  really is in time and we know you know [TS]

  we know somebody and I'm speaking of [TS]

  certainty coldwell who isn't isn't here [TS]

  tonight but maybe she for her day job [TS]

  works on ebooks and has a great deal of [TS]

  pride in the quality of her workmanship [TS]

  but I get the distinct impression and [TS]

  reading many of these ebooks that that [TS]

  is not know ways the strongest of the [TS]

  focus of a publisher they have the [TS]

  intern do it or something like that [TS]

  I don't know what they're going it's a [TS]

  publishing the publishing industry is [TS]

  very confusing to hit after that and [TS]

  it's sad because ebooks should be i mean [TS]

  they should be something quite like it [TS]

  seems like you probably don't need to [TS]

  spend that much time on it [TS]

  I mean yes there is time to be spent on [TS]

  it there's time in in in investing in [TS]

  people who can learn everything they [TS]

  need to know so they have the expertise [TS]

  to produce a beautiful book but it seems [TS]

  like na na industry where they spend so [TS]

  much lavage so much attention on these [TS]

  on print books [TS]

  it seems like you know having someone to [TS]

  oversee your ebooks at least little [TS]

  cares about is not that much of an [TS]

  investment given on your potential [TS]

  returns [TS]

  yeah i mean they must just feel that it [TS]

  doesn't matter that people are just [TS]

  going to read them and they're gonna [TS]

  accept that the holiday level and maybe [TS]

  that's maybe that's true also they may [TS]

  be concerned that if the books get too [TS]

  good [TS]

  that's gonna be you know honestly I they [TS]

  just figured well its computers right [TS]

  you just exported it will be fine and [TS]

  and and it's unfortunate because some of [TS]

  my ebook quality really varies i mean [TS]

  i've seen really good ebooks their [TS]

  ebooks where they do custom fonts [TS]

  although actually on the kindle that's [TS]

  usually really bad because the custom [TS]

  fonts show up at like all smudged and [TS]

  weird and bad but there are there other [TS]

  ones that are somebody in the chatroom [TS]

  just pointed out you know older catalog [TS]

  titles often are just ocr'd from the way [TS]

  they literally just scan it obviously [TS]

  those errors and their and their [TS]

  horrible horrible errors [TS]

  yeah so it'sit's yeah yeah and I think [TS]

  it's the the publishing the book [TS]

  publishing industry is generally not one [TS]

  to rush to embrace technology and so I [TS]

  sweet they are took them years to get [TS]

  off scrolls it it's it is true stories [TS]

  there i think there are two things right [TS]

  they they are frightened by technology [TS]

  and they don't think of themselves as [TS]

  technologists even though i would argue [TS]

  that the book is a piece of technology [TS]

  but that's another discussion and so and [TS]

  they are kind of they see themselves as [TS]

  a defender like the book designers see [TS]

  themselves as a defender of the physical [TS]

  artifact because they feel like the [TS]

  digital tools are so immature that they [TS]

  shouldn't waste the time on it so they [TS]

  just you know push a button and output [TS]

  whatever crap they get and they lavish [TS]

  all their time on making a beautiful [TS]

  print book and then you get the ebook [TS]

  and it's a it's a piece of crap and [TS]

  there's also been much more time and [TS]

  obviously they've spent a long time [TS]

  perfecting that art of making a physical [TS]

  book right 500 meters [TS]

  yeah so that was so we don't have that [TS]

  luxury for e-books yet in terms of we [TS]

  and you know people have not yet figured [TS]

  out or spend the time on it but that [TS]

  said there's probably a lot less work [TS]

  that goes into that and then making [TS]

  physical object right yeah it seems like [TS]

  you could bring it up to like eighty [TS]

  percent you know and then that would be [TS]

  a pretty big improvement [TS]

  what's funny is that the sum of the [TS]

  sci-fi publishers and I feel like the [TS]

  sci-fi publishers they're very much in [TS]

  the same level as the computer magazines [TS]

  are for the magazine industry where [TS]

  their their their audiences ahead of the [TS]

  trend but that's where the trend is [TS]

  going [TS]

  and a lot of those sci-fi publishers [TS]

  like you said Dan are now selling their [TS]

  ebooks directly from their website [TS]

  drm-free and they get more money because [TS]

  they don't have to cut in amazon or [TS]

  apple for a portion of the proceeds and [TS]

  they can do interesting sales & bundles [TS]

  and things like that which are pretty [TS]

  cool and I get the impression that [TS]

  they're spending at least a little bit [TS]

  more time focused on their ebook ebook [TS]

  version now that said having seen the [TS]

  covers of all the lowest mcmaster bujold [TS]

  book oh baby that wall more yet covers [TS]

  are pretty much anything in science [TS]

  fiction and fantasy and for yeah they [TS]

  could you could argue well not all but [TS]

  many know what I want you staring into [TS]

  people will be as being covers [TS]

  particularly yes are ready awful so [TS]

  maybe they're spending more time now in [TS]

  the ebooks and maybe they can spend less [TS]

  time I actually feel glad that I don't [TS]

  see the covers of those books on my [TS]

  kindle justjust the text i just judging [TS]

  by the text don't judge a book by it's [TS]

  cover because it's gonna be a bad cover [TS]

  see I hate when you open up the kindle [TS]

  book and it they try to put you to what [TS]

  at the sum algorithm has decided he's [TS]

  going to be the first page of the text [TS]

  because i want to see the cover of the [TS]

  book of research that I have to score at [TS]

  least and probably right uses that and [TS]

  infuriates me to lex because there are [TS]

  often like dedications and forwards and [TS]

  any other sometimes we'll skip intro [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah you don't need that crap [TS]

  have this is nonsense sector-1 cut to [TS]

  the chase be bright and cheery res if [TS]

  you really want to read a book you by [TS]

  the physical copy no book readers just [TS]

  want to get right to the detox second so [TS]

  the problem Jason you know about that [TS]

  the fact that those guys are selling [TS]

  their their books independently the [TS]

  issue i run into with something like [TS]

  pain especially is the workflow is [TS]

  terrible right it's the same problem [TS]

  we're talking about a little bit of [TS]

  libraries where it's just like great now [TS]

  you bought that ebook and you have it in [TS]

  a file on your computer probably do not [TS]

  want to read it on your computer or even [TS]

  have software on your computer that can [TS]

  read it well amazon by default if you [TS]

  send it if you send a book to your [TS]

  kindle if you know your kindle email [TS]

  address yeah we already added to your [TS]

  document library unless you turn that [TS]

  feature off it will [TS]

  oh if only we had somebody here who had [TS]

  written a book about his place [TS]

  I don't know couple books you could read [TS]

  and I [TS]

  amazon also has a little uh send to [TS]

  kindle app that you can install on [TS]

  windows or mac and you can it does some [TS]

  cool things but you can also just drag [TS]

  the file onto it and it was sent to your [TS]

  kindle you can also print web pages and [TS]

  things to your kindle which is kind of [TS]

  neat [TS]

  so tell me more but i but I would argue [TS]

  a lot of this is it is an ancillary and [TS]

  a lot of people who own candles don't [TS]

  even know like right because they hide [TS]

  stuff from Amazon they should mention [TS]

  that you read Scott's book they really [TS]

  should [TS]

  yeah yeah but if you do get to that [TS]

  point you can do it but you're right [TS]

  it's it's a mess with amazon you just [TS]

  press the button and it's on your kindle [TS]

  and that's a lot easier than although [TS]

  again they're they're assuming that [TS]

  their readers are a little bit more [TS]

  technically adept and they get the zip [TS]

  file and inside is or actually don't [TS]

  even do that they say like download the [TS]

  Kindle format and it gives you a file [TS]

  and there may even be a readme in there [TS]

  to say here's where you attach your [TS]

  kindle I USB and drag it into the [TS]

  documents folder or even the point I've [TS]

  walked out and bought the action yeah we [TS]

  can [TS]

  that's what you've bought it twice and [TS]

  they with ya in a tremendous number [TS]

  Scott's kindle book is available [TS]

  wherever kindle books are sold [TS]

  that's right so Amazon right find you [TS]

  you cannot buy the personal to go back a [TS]

  little bit 22 reading habits i find that [TS]

  like Lex I i run into the problem of not [TS]

  having a commute when I when I used to [TS]

  have cats been really want to keep you [TS]

  but I used to have a community required [TS]

  me to you know be on public [TS]

  transportation for an hour or so away [TS]

  you know that was great that was reading [TS]

  time and i find it now like wax I [TS]

  usually end up reading you know getting [TS]

  some time between getting in bed and [TS]

  falling asleep and then occasionally you [TS]

  know on the weekend or something if I [TS]

  got a couple hours and and I might sit [TS]

  down and read a little bit but i find it [TS]

  really you know I as someone who has [TS]

  been a very fast reader for a long time [TS]

  I find that it's not so much that I [TS]

  don't read fast but that my bandwidth [TS]

  amount of time available to actually [TS]

  consume that is his lesson which is [TS]

  unfortunate i think so i don't know [TS]

  maybe I need to that that is the [TS]

  advantage of ebooks for example is that [TS]

  I could go well I'm you know in line at [TS]

  the grocery store [TS]

  I'm worried I wouldn't get i would get [TS]

  engrossed we told the fact that i'm [TS]

  paying for something sir Sir [TS]

  now let me just finish this chapter this [TS]

  is the phase of although i did find [TS]

  briefly that [TS]

  for a while I was taking my kindle to [TS]

  the gym and I would like get on the bike [TS]

  or the elliptical machine or something [TS]

  and just prop it up there and and read [TS]

  and actually finally got through a fair [TS]

  amount of book that way you know and you [TS]

  if i go and workout for 45 minutes or [TS]

  something like that and that's a decent [TS]

  chunk of reading i do find that i reread [TS]

  sections a lot more than I would in a [TS]

  paper book because because of that [TS]

  reading in line like I do get engrossed [TS]

  with anyone there when it's time to pay [TS]

  or when it's time to look at what your [TS]

  kids are doing again i can't help it you [TS]

  know I just I i I've trained myself to [TS]

  rip my eyes away but then you have to go [TS]

  back and figure out where you want to [TS]

  get back into the context think so I [TS]

  I it's I think it probably [TS]

  dollar-for-dollar minute by minute I [TS]

  spend a little bit more time reading [TS]

  books because I more frequently have to [TS]

  backtrack because of finding any using [TS]

  any spare minute where I can to try to [TS]

  get further along i would like someone [TS]

  to invent I am throwing this out there [TS]

  is someone going to invent a way to sync [TS]

  my progress between my paper book and my [TS]

  ebook hmm that would be awesome because [TS]

  i would i would Amazon does do real page [TS]

  numbers that's true yeah I guess it's [TS]

  it's not the problem solved [TS]

  I need a little device that's a bookmark [TS]

  and then I put it in and it scans the [TS]

  pace i don't have this kickstarter rfid [TS]

  i don't know i just say that when hard [TS]

  to ID know if it's pretty much [TS]

  everything you think that would be kind [TS]

  of incredible if you could if you could [TS]

  find a way to kick started and i will [TS]

  contribute ten dollars and and the [TS]

  beauty of Kickstarter's you don't [TS]

  actually have to know how to do it or [TS]

  answer actually do it you can just put [TS]

  it up to understand i owe you ten [TS]

  dollars that's it so so um i've been [TS]

  i've been reading I've read some books [TS]

  on the on the ipad and I I've read a lot [TS]

  of books on Kindles and and the reason [TS]

  is the the screen there's less glare [TS]

  there's just something kind of nicer [TS]

  about it feels a little more natural [TS]

  less like there's light shining in your [TS]

  eyes the whole time and I've read some [TS]

  stuff on my iphone but mostly if I'm [TS]

  trapped in a car or you know somewhere [TS]

  and I don't have anything but my iphone [TS]

  and I I just can't escape and I want to [TS]

  read and liked my books are there [TS]

  I got the new kindle paperwhite which is [TS]

  it's not bad it's not great but it's not [TS]

  bad and lights itself you don't need a [TS]

  like like contraption although it does [TS]

  make it feel a little more like I'm [TS]

  reading an ipad at that point because [TS]

  the light is emanating from the device [TS]

  it's not quite the same but it's close [TS]

  and then i have that i have an ipad mini [TS]

  and it might be the closest i think that [TS]

  Apple's come to make something that's a [TS]

  suitable bookreader yeah it's because [TS]

  it's so because it's so small and light [TS]

  and you know i i've read some stuff on [TS]

  the kindle app on it and it's not bad [TS]

  it's it's it's it's the best it's better [TS]

  than the big iPad because the big iPads [TS]

  too heavy and it's better the iPod the [TS]

  iPhone which is just too small [TS]

  yeah i just can't get into reading on a [TS]

  backlit display there's just something [TS]

  about it that angers me for no apparent [TS]

  reason and also I i do have a communal [TS]

  long commute like a 15-minute commute [TS]

  and I just feel like i am sticking out [TS]

  if I am reading on like a glowing [TS]

  display it just makes me self-conscious [TS]

  and that someone's going to steal [TS]

  whatever it is i am reading from yeah i [TS]

  could just be me though don't I get a [TS]

  book loan that our book paper look and [TS]

  see what happens before I had the ipad [TS]

  in my hand I was worried about what it [TS]

  would be like to read on a backlit [TS]

  screen but in practice it has not [TS]

  bothered me i enjoy the reading on the [TS]

  kindle experience more but I I'm not [TS]

  unhappy reading on the ipad and if I if [TS]

  I had to read on the ipad i could i read [TS]

  a whole book on the Galaxy Nexus and it [TS]

  wasn't awful bad i couldn't do what I [TS]

  was its fine its it is light it's a good [TS]

  size it's just had a kindle app on [TS]

  android isn't isn't very good [TS]

  the Google Play Books is better yeah I [TS]

  was it was a google play book yeah [TS]

  because I've never I wanted to see what [TS]

  the whole google experience was like [TS]

  because I've never typography on eBook [TS]

  readers I mean especially on those you [TS]

  android or iPad kind of readers it's a [TS]

  big deal i mean if you do cut typography [TS]

  well if you have good fonts if you [TS]

  something amazon doesn't you doing [TS]

  things like turn off justification [TS]

  yeah oh you know it can make a big [TS]

  difference i mean if if you've got a [TS]

  nice [TS]

  high-resolution screen good typography [TS]

  it can be a good experience and if you [TS]

  have like the ipad mini doesn't have a [TS]

  great high res screen but it's got some [TS]

  you know the amazon app and ibooks have [TS]

  some good font choices and it looks but [TS]

  the type looks good on the nexus 7 the [TS]

  google play books app looks good and it [TS]

  it's okay [TS]

  in that scenario but you know just like [TS]

  with the the e-ink readers [TS]

  I you know I it could be better the [TS]

  typography could be better and it does [TS]

  make a difference and looks books people [TS]

  have that you know the publishers care [TS]

  really bottom line is the publishers [TS]

  care about what their books look like a [TS]

  lot of publishers don't care what the [TS]

  books look like a lot of the e-book [TS]

  vendors don't care what the books look [TS]

  like and so you know even if they're [TS]

  very convenient you're you're taking a [TS]

  step down in terms of sort of the [TS]

  experience the quality of it to get the [TS]

  convenience back [TS]

  damn them well I think that we've we've [TS]

  been here to tell the publisher is their [TS]

  business [TS]

  yeah right i'm sure they get up Chan [TS]

  soft charge look charge less and do more [TS]

  work on your product [TS]

  yeah that'll go well or also stopped [TS]

  buying candles actually like they don't [TS]

  like dogs down never gonna happen Scott [TS]

  now also with that really hurt them that [TS]

  much i was gonna say the posters would [TS]

  probably like that because the hands-on [TS]

  as well so more papers backfire [TS]

  alright let's let's let's shift gears [TS]

  and talk about what we're reading this [TS]

  is sort of a grab-bag sort what I like [TS]

  to do whatever we're talking about books [TS]

  is is what we've been reading and that's [TS]

  good for the listeners to because we can [TS]

  either steer them away from things they [TS]

  shouldn't read or recommend things that [TS]

  that are are cool that we're reading so [TS]

  I'd like to ask the musical question [TS]

  what are you reading and I'd like to [TS]

  start with Lex since he seems so excited [TS]

  about telling us with reading blacks [TS]

  whatever i should say Lex by the way one [TS]

  of the last paper books that i bought [TS]

  most recently on amazon was the kid in [TS]

  the crib by lex friedman because it [TS]

  really needs to be seen in paper because [TS]

  it's a parody of the cat in hat and you [TS]

  need to see the illustrations that go [TS]

  along with it [TS]

  well I thank you for buying it and it i [TS]

  was you know for a while did not have a [TS]

  kindle edition although during this [TS]

  podcast recording session i saw that now [TS]

  the kindle edition is at [TS]

  and that's that's how easy and [TS]

  comfortable ex if you're welcome Lex [TS]

  you're welcome thank you [TS]

  the the two most recent books I read one [TS]

  fiction one non-fiction was the 100 year [TS]

  old man who climbed out the window and [TS]

  disappeared which house it's a it was an [TS]

  international publishing sensation [TS]

  amazon told me so i had to get it it had [TS]

  it sold more than 2 million copies and [TS]

  it's basically it's a forest gump be in [TS]

  style story in terms of a man who [TS]

  somewhat unknowingly goes through life [TS]

  affecting many many things for some [TS]

  company is good at I haven't heard that [TS]

  one before [TS]

  it's it's translated from swedish I did [TS]

  not read it in the original swedish for [TS]

  their variety of reasons one because [TS]

  that's not how the cable came into [TS]

  because i don't speak Swedish but was [TS]

  very good it's you know it's it's funny [TS]

  and a little bit long [TS]

  even though it's not so incredible I [TS]

  feel a little bit long but it's it's a [TS]

  very entertaining read and I enjoyed it [TS]

  and then the other book that i just [TS]

  finished yesterday i was sad and almost [TS]

  crushed to be finishing it because of [TS]

  how enjoyable read it was I want to make [TS]

  sure you get the title right it was Penn [TS]

  Jillette's new book every day is an [TS]

  atheist holiday [TS]

  what's it about what's it about well [TS]

  Penn of course is is the taller louder [TS]

  half of Penn & Teller more than half by [TS]

  volume and he or word spoken right [TS]

  he had a book called God know maybe a [TS]

  year or so ago that was a sort of his [TS]

  take on the atheism diatribe book series [TS]

  that writers keep putting out the [TS]

  richard dawkins shown right here [TS]

  acknowledging that his version wasn't [TS]

  you know Dawkins or sam Harris ask but [TS]

  rather silly or stupid but it was it was [TS]

  a good read this one is the sequel here [TS]

  every day these holidays even better the [TS]

  the initial point is his argument is [TS]

  that you know he focuses mostly on [TS]

  Christianity but saying you know if [TS]

  you're if you're waiting to feel [TS]

  mirthful and marry because it's [TS]

  Christmas or Easter then you're missing [TS]

  out because for me since i don't have [TS]

  any specific calendar events to wait for [TS]

  I can celebrate and enjoy life everyday [TS]

  God that sounds insufferable I'm sorry [TS]

  its well he doesn't have doesn't he [TS]

  doesn't have gift-giving holidays every [TS]

  day but actually it's very moving there [TS]

  are some messages that are very powerful [TS]

  and he's got an incredibly well written [TS]

  essay about Martin Luther King related [TS]

  to MLK Day and but it's it's just it's [TS]

  very smart it's very funny it's [TS]

  laugh-out-loud funny that's right i mean [TS]

  i read a lot of funny writers because [TS]

  that's something that I really enjoy but [TS]

  usually when i'm reading a funny writer [TS]

  i might smile or just enjoy it mentally [TS]

  but there were actual laugh-out-loud [TS]

  moments where i had a read passages to [TS]

  my wife and it's but we're just funny [TS]

  it wouldn't necessarily be worth [TS]

  endorsing here but it's funny and it's [TS]

  also i think very insightful very [TS]

  profane I mean very profane terribly [TS]

  profit don't read it but it's really [TS]

  really really good and really [TS]

  entertaining in a thought-provoking so [TS]

  the 80s all anything is really more kind [TS]

  of a motif that he uses the exact about [TS]

  various subjects that are exactly right [TS]

  he does yeah it's that the whole thing [TS]

  is not saying here is different holidays [TS]

  you can tell i can see my own holidays [TS]

  haha its i mean it's it's really it's [TS]

  it's good enough that i am considering [TS]

  probably sometime in the next month or [TS]

  two going back and reading and once more [TS]

  because i really enjoyed the experience [TS]

  that much and I I i mean i reread books [TS]

  but i never read them that quickly likes [TS]

  this book sounds like an excellent [TS]

  holiday gift [TS]

  yes for forty non believer in your life [TS]

  for you know your average Tuesday talks [TS]

  tougher and every day gift Penn Jillette [TS]

  book giving day if you took the words [TS]

  right out of my mouth dan exactly right [TS]

  the new holidays never never too soon to [TS]

  start a new holiday but yeah I I [TS]

  wouldn't tell you is really good for [TS]

  weren't dan yes [TS]

  what are you reading well like I think I [TS]

  guess you guys have both finish it but i [TS]

  am still in the midst of reading and [TS]

  Captain for patrols Alliance by lois [TS]

  mcmaster bujold which i'm finding [TS]

  delightful [TS]

  yes we'll talk about in a future point [TS]

  yes we will i can get especially cuz I'm [TS]

  finished but but it's interesting [TS]

  because Lex was talking about the you [TS]

  know laughing out loud and i found [TS]

  myself laughing out loud several times [TS]

  your name which is also unusual for me i [TS]

  will i will accept my favorite line from [TS]

  the entire book which is unhand lady for [TS]

  Petrille [TS]

  which comes at a good point i really [TS]

  like I think the line of the book is [TS]

  what the hell Simon but alright so yeah [TS]

  bring that of course i have been a huge [TS]

  gulf and I've been reading her books for [TS]

  10 years now and and I always always [TS]

  nice to get a chance to have a new book [TS]

  by one of your favorite authors [TS]

  I i did the counting and this is like [TS]

  the 14th or 15th book in the series [TS]

  depending on whether you throw-in [TS]

  falling free anything about the house [TS]

  and all that but yeah it's it shows the [TS]

  power without stealing from the next [TS]

  podcast it shows the power of having [TS]

  familiar characters in a familiar [TS]

  universe and that you can have a perhaps [TS]

  even a thin kind of plot and it doesn't [TS]

  really matter because there's this a [TS]

  creative power of all the backstory that [TS]

  you know you could never read it as a [TS]

  new reader but there is some great power [TS]

  and being will check in with characters [TS]

  it's the same power that start [TS]

  Star Trek and Star Wars tap into and and [TS]

  marvel comics and DC comics where you [TS]

  know there's this extra value of just [TS]

  looking me Syrian right hand and saying [TS]

  oh yeah I remember when he was born [TS]

  right because yeah right you know in the [TS]

  first book he he was born and now he's [TS]

  the main character in his own book grow [TS]

  up so fast [TS]

  yeah so there's a there's a there's [TS]

  definitely a saga going there [TS]

  yeah and is what I've enjoyed that quite [TS]

  a bit right before that i read a book [TS]

  called The Last Dragon Slayer which is [TS]

  jasper fforde who we've also discussed [TS]

  and may discuss on a future podcast yes [TS]

  majors kind of aya fantasy book that [TS]

  takes place in something that's very [TS]

  much like England but isn't England and [TS]

  that was fun [TS]

  it is a fairly quick read i read that [TS]

  one on my kindle he writes things that [TS]

  aren't certain extent yes he's written [TS]

  several things that offers it has a [TS]

  whole series about nursery crimes [TS]

  yes I read both of those that I think [TS]

  there are only two because in the end it [TS]

  did not do very well but it's not a [TS]

  serious three is a serious well I was [TS]

  honk or at least a trilogy i only see I [TS]

  think I only see two on my shelf ecology [TS]

  if they're really exciting i call the [TS]

  Thrilla g 00 [TS]

  there was no third apparently it was a [TS]

  dolla g.o take that jasper fforde does [TS]

  just said I'm for my favorite he was [TS]

  mentioned on our first podcast and India [TS]

  me laugh and laugh because Scott spelled [TS]

  his name and I thought I had it down [TS]

  right and he said no no it's F okay got [TS]

  it [TS]

  f ok I didn't get it how r d I'm like [TS]

  all right I got it [TS]

  II know then it's a sorry believe it's [TS]

  correctly pronounce Jasper 444 together [TS]

  that's I'm much better then before that [TS]

  I think i read the fourth if not [TS]

  possibly final book in terry pratchett [TS]

  series about his why a series which was [TS]

  called I shall wear midnight which is [TS]

  about a young girl who's a witch and [TS]

  that was also very very good and I have [TS]

  a tendency for some I had that sitting [TS]

  on my shelf for a year or so i think it [TS]

  came out in 2010-11 and I just hadn't [TS]

  gone through right sort of stack of [TS]

  books to get to it but I have a tendency [TS]

  to leave books from authors i really [TS]

  like because I know that someday there [TS]

  will be no more books by those authors [TS]

  and then I will always have a book that [TS]

  I'm like oh wow I could read another [TS]

  terry pratchett book [TS]

  oh yeah i know that's incredible self [TS]

  discipline because you're planning my [TS]

  favorite authors jonathan tropper [TS]

  whenever he has a new book out i just [TS]

  read that day that comes out I can't [TS]

  wait well I can see the thing is i [TS]

  happen to be working with a lot of [TS]

  people have like extensive backlogs so I [TS]

  don't necessarily go back and reread [TS]

  everything that they already wrote but I [TS]

  i do tend to read almost everything that [TS]

  they come out with I have to neil gaiman [TS]

  zan died and i have actually the new i [TS]

  bought the new michael chabon on the [TS]

  area bounded it came out and i haven't [TS]

  read it and I feel terrible [TS]

  yeah he's he's very disappointed in you [TS]

  yes I know I apologize to michael [TS]

  michael chabon right now I saw him speak [TS]

  with David Mitchell and he mentioned [TS]

  that he was disappointed in you Jason [TS]

  that's good whoo-hoo which one David [TS]

  Mitchell because you know both of the [TS]

  parents i read the cloud atlas but we [TS]

  didn't like it enough so he was said it [TS]

  was okay was fine i liked it but he [TS]

  wasn't going fine Jason [TS]

  all right you're right I'm I apologize [TS]

  to all writers you should that's good [TS]

  thinking I appreciate that forgiving [TS]

  yeah not accepted any more Danner is [TS]

  that a I was I was casting and I over my [TS]

  shoulder and my bookshelf to see if I [TS]

  can remember what the hell i read before [TS]

  the sea because you're reading books [TS]

  that are made of paperwork yeah I said [TS]

  I've got my window open while sorted by [TS]

  date I I jump back and forth I i read i [TS]

  read the jasper fforde on my kindle [TS]

  alright but the other ones i read in [TS]

  hardcover like hardcovers really there's [TS]

  something about it so happened on Tobias [TS]

  miley cyrus that as a as a i love the [TS]

  quality of the of the typography and [TS]

  stuff like that but as a as a a commuter [TS]

  I hated them because I'd be reading [TS]

  these books and be completely engrossed [TS]

  in there was no way I was going to look [TS]

  at three pound hardcover on to onto the [TS]

  bus nor if I go on vacation am I gonna [TS]

  take that giant hardcover that I've [TS]

  already read it [TS]

  600 pages oh it's just about occasional [TS]

  at times get out sometimes get a [TS]

  separate book to read on the action but [TS]

  I i will say when we left this out in [TS]

  our discussion of of of e-books vs paper [TS]

  books but being not having any readers [TS]

  during takeoff and landing on plane [TS]

  rolls is what kills me on the kindle [TS]

  it's like I can't I wanted that's like [TS]

  the one time I can't do anything else [TS]

  it's like I want to have my book [TS]

  first off that's complete crap ladies [TS]

  and i was complete crap but they're not [TS]

  going until they change the rules [TS]

  actually I know they are talking about [TS]

  before they were really popular i would [TS]

  i would just keep my ereader on anyway [TS]

  and everybody know taking life and they [TS]

  didn't care then Lex crash seven planes [TS]

  that way not be bad my fear has always [TS]

  been with the kindle since it when it's [TS]

  off its still display something on the [TS]

  screen is that a stupid flight attendant [TS]

  will see it and say sir you need to trim [TS]

  that off its alright no no you need to [TS]

  drop that it doesn't go any more often [TS]

  this swim ashmac actually you you can [TS]

  you can turn it off and if you buy my [TS]

  book and find out screen all the way off [TS]

  yeah i got sick of myself don't do that [TS]

  and what are the the plus and minus of [TS]

  the ereader for me also is the like [TS]

  there's no cover so people can't see [TS]

  what you're reading which can be good [TS]

  and can be bad [TS]

  as I it reminds me of when I was in high [TS]

  school I commuted 45 minutes back and [TS]

  forth and for some reason I decided [TS]

  uphill uphill know it was in New York [TS]

  was on the subway and there's no Hills [TS]

  New York parents that is it possible and [TS]

  i was reading this giant 1100 page [TS]

  biography of Adolf Hitler called Adolf [TS]

  Hitler on a giant print it says Adolf [TS]

  Hitler and there's a giant swastika on [TS]

  the cover and it never occurred to be [TS]

  that perhaps this is not the best book [TS]

  yeah just riding through the Hasidic [TS]

  neighborhood do you know and a and [TS]

  somewhat did there was a problem on the [TS]

  train and we all had to get off and it [TS]

  was a lovely day and i'm standing on the [TS]

  platform [TS]

  hey it's a good guarantee Hitler book [TS]

  reading this three-pound Adolf Hitler [TS]

  book with a giant swastika on it and [TS]

  someone came up to be and they were like [TS]

  why are you reading a book about it out [TS]

  of Hitler and it was a very awkward [TS]

  conversation did you say like it makes [TS]

  it really easy for me to hail a cab [TS]

  haha no idea what I was not know you did [TS]

  then they would have killed me yet he [TS]

  didn't so I'm well i was gonna say i had [TS]

  the same problem except my books had [TS]

  dragons on different circuits were sort [TS]

  of abuse that you get a greater know is [TS]

  different or abuse you get from your [TS]

  high school high school classmates when [TS]

  you carried constantly carry around [TS]

  either books that have spaceships or [TS]

  jacket it's true [TS]

  wow wow don't because I just got this [TS]

  turned into therapies are you get my [TS]

  casting his therapy actually there's a [TS]

  whole trend about how people are reading [TS]

  things let this whole 50 shades of grey [TS]

  thing right sure can [TS]

  can read all sorts of things they would [TS]

  have been embarrassed to read before but [TS]

  now nobody can see what they're reading [TS]

  because it's just text on an eerie i [TS]

  find that sad because it gets rid of [TS]

  that old trick where you take the thief [TS]

  auntie dust cover and put it around the [TS]

  crappy but it's i wish i had known about [TS]

  that trick when I was in high school now [TS]

  then you just took your comic book and [TS]

  you put it inside your textbook i just [TS]

  put the Adolf Hitler cover other books [TS]

  it didn't work out i will say before [TS]

  amazon started putting ads on the kindle [TS]

  when you turn them off [TS]

  I always thought it was stupid that they [TS]

  didn't put the cover [TS]

  right there on the lockscreen diagram of [TS]

  whatever book you are currently reading [TS]

  it seems like that would make that will [TS]

  tell you how to do that now it by a kobo [TS]

  reader because they do a real book [TS]

  nobody does that kobo does do that [TS]

  that's smart [TS]

  Scott what are you reading I'm reading a [TS]

  book called the Islanders by Christopher [TS]

  priest who wrote the prestige about [TS]

  hockey [TS]

  it is not about hockey it is about it a [TS]

  it's basically a travel guide to an [TS]

  imaginary archipelago in this giant [TS]

  world and it's set unreliable narrator [TS]

  and it's a very interesting book i would [TS]

  recommend I'm not done with it so i [TS]

  won't recommend it but it's gonna kind [TS]

  of Gulliver's Travels ask is that like [TS]

  Forrest Gump Ian exactly it'sit's swifty [TS]

  and i think is what they actually saw [TS]

  haha that's way better [TS]

  yeah I've been Gulliver's Travels ask ya [TS]

  got wins and losses [TS]

  what's now again before that i read a [TS]

  book called three parts dead by Max [TS]

  Gladstone which I thought was a [TS]

  fantastic book it's a kind of an over [TS]

  your been family about that on twitter [TS]

  and i favorited your tweets whoa [TS]

  Scott said it was great i was great i [TS]

  like it because it was set in this world [TS]

  where there is a gods are real but they [TS]

  had a big war and killed a bunch of they [TS]

  killed each other except with a few [TS]

  survived and people have figured out how [TS]

  to use the same magic that God's use and [TS]

  they uh it involves this magic and a [TS]

  chase and it's kind of a courtroom drama [TS]

  as well it's a very strange book but [TS]

  it's a lot of fun it's a lot of [TS]

  different genres and before that i was [TS]

  reading the the captain for book to like [TS]

  it [TS]

  I can never have enough that his name or [TS]

  patrol for partial always yeah which I [TS]

  thought was good no it was thin and yet [TS]

  i loved it [TS]

  I i was around it was a lot of fun I [TS]

  just thought maybe ivan is not a lead [TS]

  character [TS]

  yeah but we'll save that for the next [TS]

  part is alright and they're a bunch of [TS]

  other books i read but nobody wants to [TS]

  hear all of these so i won't make sure [TS]

  Jason what are you reading thank you Lex [TS]

  I read a book called Osama which one the [TS]

  world fantasy award which is by writer [TS]

  named Bobby teat heart I'd har tid har [TS]

  and it's a strange strange book about a [TS]

  it's sort of a Norrish detective who a [TS]

  very in noticeably he's an orange [TS]

  detective and he is in i want to say [TS]

  laos and he a woman you know of course a [TS]

  woman comes to his office and said I [TS]

  need you to find this guy and it's a guy [TS]

  named Mike long shot [TS]

  who is the author of these pulp novels [TS]

  these paperbacks that are about an [TS]

  alternate universe that is our universe [TS]

  and their the Osama bin Laden series and [TS]

  its books the detail the terrorist [TS]

  attacks of al-qaeda but they're in this [TS]

  world they're fictional and so he goes [TS]

  on a quest to kind of find the [TS]

  disreputable publisher of these [TS]

  hard-boiled novels about Osama bin Laden [TS]

  and and then tries from there to trace [TS]

  it back to the post office box with the [TS]

  writer is he ends up at Osama bin Laden [TS]

  convention where fans of the series have [TS]

  gathered to come up with all sorts of [TS]

  concepts and panels about this weird [TS]

  world that is has diverged from their [TS]

  own which is our world and he ends up in [TS]

  a Afghanistan at one point anyway it's [TS]

  it's it was it was very strange and I'm [TS]

  not sure whether I like to know that it [TS]

  was kinda moving in the end and it spent [TS]

  it makes you sort of think a lot about [TS]

  its using all these genre conventions to [TS]

  sort of talk about about terrorism and [TS]

  how terrorism is portrayed and had kind [TS]

  of strangely comparing it to the kind of [TS]

  things you'd see in kind of Pulp Fiction [TS]

  weird book very weird one but one the [TS]

  world fantasy award / not just george RR [TS]

  martin but of course Joe Waltons among [TS]

  others which we love so much so I [TS]

  thought I should read it [TS]

  osama is the name of it and yeah I don't [TS]

  know whether I'd entirely recommended or [TS]

  not it's interesting it's weird it's [TS]

  definitely not sci-fi it is [TS]

  it is a kind of dreamy and strange and [TS]

  but interesting so who'd you see the [TS]

  outdoors la vie [TS]

  trt idha are parts of it are our i mean [TS]

  the the bit where he goes to the Osama [TS]

  bin Laden convention is crazy it's it's [TS]

  it's crazy and it's and if you like nor [TS]

  ish stuff like dan might like it i think [TS]

  because I know Dan kind of like that's [TS]

  diving I do like it and it is very [TS]

  definitely that I mean he's a hard man [TS]

  detective and he's he you know he's kind [TS]

  of drinking and smoking a lot and [TS]

  meeting girls and bars and asking him [TS]

  for information and it is all just like [TS]

  my life it's exactly like your life so [TS]

  anyway that Osama interesting minds me [TS]

  of a book uh called the mirage by met [TS]

  rough in which he posits an alternate [TS]

  reality where Christian fundamentalist [TS]

  higher hijack jetliners and crashed them [TS]

  into right right Tigris and Euphrates [TS]

  World Trade Towers in the bag right [TS]

  because they were in a reverse world [TS]

  where the where the Americans are all [TS]

  kind of up in arms and and invaded [TS]

  energy and listen yeah exactly right [TS]

  this is this is really I i have read [TS]

  that book that I read about it and it [TS]

  struck me as being a kind of a similar [TS]

  premise absolutely interesting book [TS]

  though and the other book that I read [TS]

  read most recently is nonfiction it is [TS]

  called the signal and the noise why so [TS]

  many predictions fail but some don't [TS]

  by nate silver you may have heard of [TS]

  nate silver because he's the guy who [TS]

  runs 538 which correctly predicted every [TS]

  single state in the electoral college in [TS]

  the most recent election and his [TS]

  publisher made a good bed and put his [TS]

  book out about three weeks before the [TS]

  election thinking if he is successful [TS]

  again like he was four years ago at [TS]

  predicting the election people might buy [TS]

  his book and then I believe after the [TS]

  election the day after the election his [TS]

  book was number one on amazon so it's a [TS]

  great book about statistics and people's [TS]

  gut being used instead of their heads [TS]

  and making bad decisions based on [TS]

  feeling when if you look at things [TS]

  dispassionately through numbers you get [TS]

  a better outcome he talked about not [TS]

  just elections and not just about [TS]

  baseball [TS]

  he originated with baseball stuff sort [TS]

  of Moneyball kind of stuff but he talks [TS]

  about things like weather forecasting an [TS]

  earthquake predictions and he really [TS]

  does try to cover the gamut from things [TS]

  that are that are very predictable and [TS]

  things that aren't and his section about [TS]

  the weather is actually fascinating [TS]

  because it turns out that we're much [TS]

  better forecasting the weather than we [TS]

  were before we still joke about the [TS]

  weatherman but the level of accuracy [TS]

  that weather prediction has the fact [TS]

  that that we know when these hurricanes [TS]

  are going to hit and with really good [TS]

  accuracy where they're going to hit when [TS]

  15-20 years ago we couldn't do that [TS]

  15-20 years ago we couldn't do that [TS]

  it's it's really interesting and I think [TS]

  the best in the entire book is the fact [TS]

  that there's real accuracy and then [TS]

  there's accuracy for an audience that a [TS]

  lot of the commercial whether predictors [TS]

  will if there's fifteen twenty percent [TS]

  chance of rain they'll say 50 or 75 [TS]

  percent chance of rain and the reason is [TS]

  if they say fifteen percent chance of [TS]

  rain and you get rained on your in your [TS]

  just infuriated because you got wet so [TS]

  if there's even a little bit of a chance [TS]

  of rain they say yeah it's gonna rain [TS]

  because if they're wrong you like how [TS]

  well it didn't rain i'm lucky and if if [TS]

  there if you get rained on when you [TS]

  think there's no rain you're furious at [TS]

  the weather people so they just lie they [TS]

  just overestimate the rain so that [TS]

  you're never going to be mad at them [TS]

  it's it's really cool stuff so nate [TS]

  silver the signal and the noise i [TS]

  recommend it's a lot of fun but it's not [TS]

  a novel there's nobody needs / doesn't [TS]

  die at the end spoilers but maybe weird [TS]

  he does eroded we all die at the [TS]

  energies yes there's an earthquake and a [TS]

  hurricane simultaneously and a baseball [TS]

  player comes and hits a home run and [TS]

  that's the end of the book that's how it [TS]

  ends [TS]

  I'm so glad that I was here for this [TS]

  though because I've been to be I've been [TS]

  wondering whether that book was actually [TS]

  gonna be worth it and on your [TS]

  recommendation I shot it's nerdy but I i [TS]

  like it i i i love the weather stuff and [TS]

  and he talks about earthquakes and and [TS]

  and and crime and all sorts of crazy [TS]

  stuff like that it's a good book he and [TS]

  i read it before the election because i [TS]

  like I've been reading nate silver four [TS]

  years since when he was back doing [TS]

  baseball stuff so I I remember him when [TS]

  before his site got assimilated by the [TS]

  new york times in fact that the old days [TS]

  before he was on the daily show every [TS]

  week don't be such a hipster Jason yeah [TS]

  I know but back when books were only [TS]

  available in print and print those are [TS]

  the days that i didn't read very many [TS]

  books that because i didn't have the [TS]

  time but now I read lots of books they [TS]

  were so headed there are two reasons why [TS]

  i read a lot of books now one is the [TS]

  kindle and the other is the incomparable [TS]

  thanks comparable you're welcome James [TS]

  because the incomparable book club and [TS]

  as we have to do more of these we've [TS]

  kind of fallen down on finding agreement [TS]

  on what books to read so what we're [TS]

  going to do captain for patil next time [TS]

  and talk about the shoulder a little bit [TS]

  more [TS]

  I probably won't be on that lets hasn't [TS]

  hasn't read it start at the beginning [TS]

  let's just do you have plenty of time [TS]

  Charlie Lana 14 books and then you'll be [TS]

  caught up you can become sharp minor [TS]

  with mari are let me finish watching [TS]

  indiana jones yeah we're gonna go watch [TS]

  indiana jones we give me at least a [TS]

  month or two I watched the first one any [TS]

  lost an hour or a while right [TS]

  I want to finish the whole series by the [TS]

  end of the year so alive so that's good [TS]

  you're just in time to watch the lord of [TS]

  the rings yeah that's not gonna happen [TS]

  anyway so it will do more will do more [TS]

  book clubs and we'll try if you're if [TS]

  somebody wants to read along we have a [TS]

  good reads group and if you follow the [TS]

  incomparable on twitter we will announce [TS]

  books that we're going to be reading in [TS]

  the future on there as well so there [TS]

  will be places you can go if you'd like [TS]

  to follow along at home with those of us [TS]

  who are reading books for the [TS]

  incomparable book club and I i think [TS]

  that brings us to the end of the show I [TS]

  think we've learned a lot I've learned [TS]

  and grown as a person listening to the [TS]

  wisdom of my three guests Scott McNulty [TS]

  I I follow you for all of my kindle and [TS]

  ebook reading advice thank you for being [TS]

  here [TS]

  you know i have a new book coming out to [TS]

  send her 24th all about the kindle fire [TS]

  just after Christmas just attacked the [TS]

  perfect Christmas present amazing get [TS]

  three for everyone you know it's the [TS]

  wise words strong words but never truer [TS]

  words have been spoken than that [TS]

  thank you Scott McNulty Dan Morgan do [TS]

  you have a book coming out that you'd [TS]

  like to fly with night out there waited [TS]

  yeah as a way to twist the night there [TS]

  dan and I will be releasing our novels [TS]

  on the incomparable press book only who [TS]

  in the new year may be beautiful but [TS]

  yeah it's yes it will be although [TS]

  they'll be gorgeous i'll tell you that [TS]

  yeah I can't promise the contents any [TS]

  good but in fact the paperbacks will be [TS]

  purely or poorly assembled a full of bad [TS]

  typography just the ticket to those [TS]

  publishers set man that we're going to [TS]

  take a bath on those sales you should [TS]

  print your paper books on 100-percent [TS]

  cotton paper that would be nice [TS]

  yes well yeah sonu book coming out this [TS]

  year but maybe next year next year you [TS]

  never know in comfortable press maybe [TS]

  it'll happen [TS]

  it's good that was good to be here yeah [TS]

  I feel like to send it on down note for [TS]

  me [TS]

  no I'm sure if you really had to have me [TS]

  on the show with the other two guys who [TS]

  have written books and actually have [TS]

  them public street it's just that's your [TS]

  legs Friedman do you have a book that [TS]

  you'd like to plug thank you for being [TS]

  here and thanks for having me i will [TS]

  save the of my for published books to [TS]

  read every book only and the other two [TS]

  which I'm prouder of overall look much [TS]

  worse on the kindle because they're also [TS]

  illustrated so that's that's the set so [TS]

  far so we should buy the kid mcrib and [TS]

  the snuggie sutra in paperback I I mean [TS]

  I you know I love your books but those [TS]

  are books that i would prefer the paper [TS]

  version of just because they look better [TS]

  I have the kitchen equipment paper i [TS]

  don't i don't believe i have a copy of [TS]

  the snuggie sutra I don't get 1 i'll [TS]

  give you one when i see you don't send [TS]

  me 1i bring in your life [TS]

  I don't think it'll get through security [TS]

  congratulations James office is full of [TS]

  snuggles new trial [TS]

  oh well okay that's fair enough well [TS]

  yeah if you'd like to go to a used [TS]

  bookstore from the nineties and buy a [TS]

  copy of providing internet services via [TS]

  the mac OS you can see the only book [TS]

  that I've ever published [TS]

  yay or stay tuned for the new year wendy [TS]

  and i will be doing making comfortable [TS]

  press I possibly self-publishing is a [TS]

  viable alternative [TS]

  maybe we can point to a bundle tan might [TS]

  get both of our books together for one [TS]

  low price [TS]

  ya like like you will pay you to read [TS]

  haha i can happen possible [TS]

  alright this has been great thanks [TS]

  everybody for listening and thanks to [TS]

  you guys again brought published authors [TS]

  are not for being here to talk about [TS]

  what published authors and their again [TS]

  and also thank you to program instead [TS]

  have or however you pronounce if that is [TS]

  your real name for the for the [TS]

  suggestion for this topic because i [TS]

  thought this was good and I was [TS]

  desperate for a new book club and I I [TS]

  jumped on that topic because it was a [TS]

  good idea for suggested topic you with a [TS]

  free copy of dan morons novel [TS]

  or the snuggie sutra right here there [TS]

  are extras so maybe maybe that depending [TS]

  on your attitude [TS]

  alright thanks for listening being [TS]

  comfortable this is jason still until [TS]

  next time goodbye [TS]