The Incomparable

115: For Dunces, By Dunces, To Dunces


00:00:01   the incomparable number 150 November [TS]

00:00:06   2012 well [TS]

00:00:09   welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:11   podcast I'm your host Jason scale and in [TS]

00:00:13   this episode we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:14   about the fall TV season as we get on [TS]

00:00:18   toward the end of my guess the November [TS]

00:00:21   sweeps period we've had a few months to [TS]

00:00:24   look at what's new and what's returned [TS]

00:00:26   to the to the TV airwaves and so we like [TS]

00:00:29   to check in with some of our panels and [TS]

00:00:30   our panelists and talk about what [TS]

00:00:33   they've been watching and what they've [TS]

00:00:34   been liking and if they're things they [TS]

00:00:36   can recommend or actually scares away [TS]

00:00:38   from uh for the the fall TV season so [TS]

00:00:42   joining me today are and he not co hello [TS]

00:00:47   hello Jason thank you for being here [TS]

00:00:50   today and more in this year of course [TS]

00:00:51   because he's contractually obligated hi [TS]

00:00:53   dan I'm just fulfilling my duty [TS]

00:00:56   yes you put going through the motions [TS]

00:00:58   scotland ltd who not only reads books [TS]

00:01:01   but occasionally has been known to watch [TS]

00:01:03   television is here hi Scott know [TS]

00:01:05   sometimes I read books about television [TS]

00:01:07   other novels LIRR they informational i [TS]

00:01:12   have a book of short stories about [TS]

00:01:14   colombo on my bedside table and strap [TS]

00:01:18   colombo license mysteries I've heard [TS]

00:01:22   about my rhythm though they are there [TS]

00:01:26   well jeez I hate to bother you have one [TS]

00:01:29   more question I've got for you [TS]

00:01:30   he said yeah I see ah hello Elmo [TS]

00:01:35   novelization right there will be my [TS]

00:01:38   nanowrimo when the stories like [TS]

00:01:40   introduce characters does it save the [TS]

00:01:42   the the floor shop owner who looked a [TS]

00:01:44   lot like Donald Pleasence from that [TS]

00:01:46   episode with us a lot of vineyard owner [TS]

00:01:49   yes or the Dead possibly who kind of [TS]

00:01:52   looks like Spock and also joining us [TS]

00:01:56   that was all the introduction discovered [TS]

00:01:58   multi by the way has meant something [TS]

00:01:59   also joining us is John siracusa who has [TS]

00:02:02   been known to watching television in his [TS]

00:02:03   time hai jaan hai Jason yeah I don't [TS]

00:02:06   read the book so much these days but I [TS]

00:02:08   watched a lot of TV it seems like it's [TS]

00:02:09   good it's you can get through more stuff [TS]

00:02:11   on TV books they take a long time [TS]

00:02:14   someone's gotta do it [TS]

00:02:15   the shows are gonna watch themselves [TS]

00:02:16   they're really not that evo is not gonna [TS]

00:02:18   although sometimes i feel like that with [TS]

00:02:21   a tivo or DVR general is [TS]

00:02:23   I don't have to watch the shows i just [TS]

00:02:24   need to record them just that I just [TS]

00:02:27   need to own them but that's not how it [TS]

00:02:28   works Jason that will have to talk after [TS]

00:02:30   the show like putting a textbook under [TS]

00:02:31   your pillow yeah i was so you just it [TS]

00:02:33   seeps n its rich its watching it for me [TS]

00:02:36   as I record them and delete them [TS]

00:02:40   it plugs into that same illness that [TS]

00:02:42   like four years where I would buy like [TS]

00:02:44   the spider-man even though I didn't [TS]

00:02:45   really like the comic anymore but the [TS]

00:02:47   thing is I'd had I have all of them so I [TS]

00:02:49   have to keep buying them [TS]

00:02:50   yeah and take it takes awhile to realize [TS]

00:02:52   it but I I'm gonna space my DVR I should [TS]

00:02:55   I should release some of these old [TS]

00:02:56   episodes a big bang theory but then I [TS]

00:02:58   won't have the complete season on my DVR [TS]

00:03:00   yes or you could spend $23 and on DVD [TS]

00:03:03   but I don't have it on my DVR look the [TS]

00:03:05   numbers are going up and secrets here [TS]

00:03:07   it's like the problem where you you want [TS]

00:03:09   something and you feel like I have [TS]

00:03:12   invested seven seasons in this show and [TS]

00:03:16   I got to keep watching it because it's [TS]

00:03:17   probably gonna end within the next [TS]

00:03:19   couple seasons I've already watched the [TS]

00:03:20   first seven seasons so I just can't I [TS]

00:03:22   can't stop watching it now and i'm [TS]

00:03:24   looking at you how i met your mother [TS]

00:03:25   know whole plan this is sorry there was [TS]

00:03:28   this little therapy here are you letting [TS]

00:03:30   it out are you is this how you let your [TS]

00:03:32   disappointment about supernatural dan [TS]

00:03:34   know i love i love you enough that i [TS]

00:03:36   will talk i was really about it yeah how [TS]

00:03:38   i met your mother however does feel sort [TS]

00:03:40   of like it's playing out the string [TS]

00:03:41   doesn't it it's just it's the yeah there [TS]

00:03:44   was not there was not eight seasons of [TS]

00:03:46   this show in it to begin with no kids [TS]

00:03:48   have i told you the story about when i [TS]

00:03:51   got my want to visit the dentist in 2014 [TS]

00:03:54   it's sad because i love the characters [TS]

00:03:56   and I love to the premise and there are [TS]

00:03:58   some truly hilarious episodes in the [TS]

00:04:00   earlier seasons but it has hit that [TS]

00:04:02   point where it's just like just going [TS]

00:04:05   through the motions just doing it [TS]

00:04:07   because you know we got paychecks yes [TS]

00:04:09   until it becomes unprofitable at which [TS]

00:04:12   point it and then I met the mother the [TS]

00:04:14   end [TS]

00:04:15   yeah they'll be anticlimactic at that [TS]

00:04:17   point that wouldn't be the worst thing [TS]

00:04:19   in the world [TS]

00:04:20   yeah well yeah I'm invested I'm i bought [TS]

00:04:24   in i just deleted the rest of the office [TS]

00:04:28   off my DVR I've been watching that and I [TS]

00:04:30   realized I'd stop watching it but the [TS]

00:04:31   DVR kept recording and saving it and I [TS]

00:04:33   just said you know what [TS]

00:04:35   never gonna watch this the office got [TS]

00:04:36   cut off despite me having invested [TS]

00:04:39   however many seasons that was up until [TS]

00:04:41   like last year I've done that occasion [TS]

00:04:44   but most of the time i'm such a [TS]

00:04:45   completist it's just really hard for me [TS]

00:04:46   to give up dvrs change your you know it [TS]

00:04:50   in the old days you just be like yeah I [TS]

00:04:52   didn't watch that I guess so well but [TS]

00:04:54   now it's almost like they pile up and [TS]

00:04:56   you think to yourself [TS]

00:04:58   he should i delete them my wife and I [TS]

00:05:01   have this first of all I'll sometimes [TS]

00:05:04   I'll just invest myself from a show when [TS]

00:05:05   I don't like the office i said if you'd [TS]

00:05:07   like to keep watching the office go [TS]

00:05:08   ahead but Jim and Pam just got married [TS]

00:05:09   and I'm going to consider that a very [TS]

00:05:11   nice series finale and I'm done and [TS]

00:05:13   sometimes you're sometimes you'll see ya [TS]

00:05:15   you know I'll do that one folding [TS]

00:05:16   laundry or something and but other times [TS]

00:05:19   will have a you know a small ceremony of [TS]

00:05:21   their quiet ceremony where we where we [TS]

00:05:23   can sign the TV show to its to its it [TS]

00:05:26   sanded to its final fate and will remove [TS]

00:05:28   it from the auto record lists and say [TS]

00:05:30   you remember the happy times and that's [TS]

00:05:33   dependent and just let it let it go off [TS]

00:05:35   and it's like we're we're our own [TS]

00:05:38   network executives say like well I know [TS]

00:05:41   you [TS]

00:05:41   NBC hasn't canceled it but I've canceled [TS]

00:05:44   it [TS]

00:05:45   I saved three seasons of walking dead or [TS]

00:05:47   whatever was for my wife because I [TS]

00:05:49   thought someday she will want to see [TS]

00:05:52   zombies not this year not next year not [TS]

00:05:54   have happened Sunday you want to see [TS]

00:05:57   zombies and I was right [TS]

00:05:58   eventually she wanted to see zombies and [TS]

00:06:00   I said you know what I've been saving [TS]

00:06:02   them haha how many dvrs did you have to [TS]

00:06:05   go through to get it like eight DVR is [TS]

00:06:07   full of various show she might watch it [TS]

00:06:09   they're all just stacked in a bookshop [TS]

00:06:11   one day she'll like free to swap in the [TS]

00:06:13   hard drives [TS]

00:06:14   I've got a big dvrs like a 3 terabyte [TS]

00:06:17   drive [TS]

00:06:17   no that's good obviously LOL wow so we [TS]

00:06:21   should probably start off with the hell [TS]

00:06:24   this is actually a fascinating [TS]

00:06:25   discussion about how we deal with the [TS]

00:06:27   pumping shows often and finally like the [TS]

00:06:30   office is a great example i cancel the [TS]

00:06:31   office a long time we were there [TS]

00:06:32   episodes after Jim and Pam got married I [TS]

00:06:36   either were and i only saw some of them [TS]

00:06:38   and I shouldn't have interesting i'm [TS]

00:06:40   still watching the office the the [TS]

00:06:43   looming specter of death and knowing [TS]

00:06:45   that this is the last season they could [TS]

00:06:46   do anything with these characters have [TS]

00:06:48   its cause like the producers and the [TS]

00:06:49   writers to really move things forward on [TS]

00:06:52   the show some of that some of my [TS]

00:06:54   favorite moments the entire series have [TS]

00:06:56   been this year so wow well I'll [TS]

00:06:59   rediscover them someday when I'm in a [TS]

00:07:01   hotel room and there are reruns on I'll [TS]

00:07:03   be like oh I haven't seen this one but [TS]

00:07:05   yeah that that moment that moment the [TS]

00:07:07   hotel room where that did where you turn [TS]

00:07:09   it on it's already set to TBS and you [TS]

00:07:11   can't find the remote you wind up for [TS]

00:07:13   you end up watching about four hours [TS]

00:07:15   with the family guy right [TS]

00:07:17   I'm not sure I've ever watched a full [TS]

00:07:19   episode of the office despite going to [TS]

00:07:21   high school with two of the people from [TS]

00:07:23   the show [TS]

00:07:24   wow there's good there's good stuff in [TS]

00:07:26   there [TS]

00:07:27   yeah and I was on an airplane I was [TS]

00:07:29   trapped on an airplane and I watched [TS]

00:07:30   like four consecutive episodes of The [TS]

00:07:32   Big Bang Theory at which I i show that i [TS]

00:07:35   watch but it was one of those things [TS]

00:07:36   where it's like I'm just gonna leave it [TS]

00:07:37   right here and I'm on a plane and I'm [TS]

00:07:39   just gonna even the commercials whatever [TS]

00:07:41   just haha that wash over me [TS]

00:07:44   I don't want to work any good news our [TS]

00:07:46   art art art art show is testing [TS]

00:07:48   extremely well with people who are [TS]

00:07:49   strapped out and uncomfortable seats up [TS]

00:07:51   and forced to watch and exactly it's [TS]

00:07:54   brilliant that the NPC's entire strategy [TS]

00:07:56   by the way just it's just do it with [TS]

00:07:59   prisoners and people who are trapped in [TS]

00:08:01   various locations another example 30 [TS]

00:08:03   rock where its final season yeah I now [TS]

00:08:05   feel as though i can't we have we can't [TS]

00:08:07   just simply like sort of string things [TS]

00:08:09   along we have to do things or maybe [TS]

00:08:11   think of it because one of the running [TS]

00:08:12   themes this season is that they're [TS]

00:08:14   trying they're trying to that liz lemon [TS]

00:08:16   and and and Jack are trying to tank the [TS]

00:08:19   network and like deliberately drive the [TS]

00:08:21   ratings down right so like that that [TS]

00:08:23   does sound like a scenario that they [TS]

00:08:25   would hear founded on a final-season [TS]

00:08:27   episode of 30 rock actual NBC strategy [TS]

00:08:30   i'm sure it's good for comcast somehow [TS]

00:08:32   to have it haven't NBC stink as it does [TS]

00:08:37   new shows with we should talk about new [TS]

00:08:39   shows first now that we've talked about [TS]

00:08:41   some old shows a little bit eh they're [TS]

00:08:45   quite a few out there i've managed to [TS]

00:08:47   catch a few of them is there anything [TS]

00:08:50   that than anyone if you want to bring up [TS]

00:08:51   as a new show that you found that you [TS]

00:08:53   that you are you particularly like [TS]

00:08:55   you're just like this revolution knew I [TS]

00:08:57   can't remember revolution is new [TS]

00:08:59   solution yeah and apparently it's kind [TS]

00:09:02   of a hit in the head I'll no say it [TS]

00:09:05   shouldn't shouldn't be i know i don't [TS]

00:09:09   understand revolution [TS]

00:09:11   I you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna [TS]

00:09:12   defend it I'll do that i'm sure that's [TS]

00:09:14   because it's like that it knows i am go [TS]

00:09:16   get him Scott here's my problem with [TS]

00:09:19   revolution [TS]

00:09:20   I could accept that there's some weird [TS]

00:09:22   thing that all electricity stops working [TS]

00:09:24   ok but but why does the internal [TS]

00:09:27   combustion engine also stopped working [TS]

00:09:29   but guns continuing where is not here [TS]

00:09:31   but this team does work because they [TS]

00:09:36   have a train [TS]

00:09:38   I'm saying internal combustion doesn't [TS]

00:09:40   work but steamworks and by the way the [TS]

00:09:41   electrical signals that your body sends [TS]

00:09:43   so you can move also work so it doesn't [TS]

00:09:47   make any sense [TS]

00:09:47   that's my guy so what you're saying is [TS]

00:09:48   that this is where we we've got we've [TS]

00:09:50   got nerd problems here is what we're [TS]

00:09:51   saying no no you have to I I accept if [TS]

00:09:54   you have a rule in your world you have [TS]

00:09:57   to stick with that rule at the end if [TS]

00:09:59   you don't then I don't buy into the [TS]

00:10:01   whole thing did is it internal [TS]

00:10:04   combustion that doesn't work or is it [TS]

00:10:05   just the fact that cars require [TS]

00:10:06   electrical starters but Carstairs [TS]

00:10:10   reported in our company's work around [TS]

00:10:12   that if you can cobble together my [TS]

00:10:14   statement rain and your you can turn [TS]

00:10:17   independence hall into someplace where [TS]

00:10:19   you can run your Republic from even [TS]

00:10:22   though Independence Hall has a very few [TS]

00:10:24   facilities for such things since i live [TS]

00:10:27   in Philadelphia [TS]

00:10:28   oh I sneaked into the building so I know [TS]

00:10:30   it's there you can figure out how to [TS]

00:10:33   start an internal combustion engine and [TS]

00:10:35   if you have a stockpile of weapons and [TS]

00:10:38   access to apparently tanks [TS]

00:10:40   you can do this so this is my problem [TS]

00:10:41   with that show ya also remember that the [TS]

00:10:44   the electric starter wasn't like the [TS]

00:10:46   first thing they put into a car that's [TS]

00:10:48   like at all those old-timey movies in [TS]

00:10:49   which you try to crank the front of the [TS]

00:10:51   Cure from the car that's like them [TS]

00:10:52   manually try to crank start the engine [TS]

00:10:54   well sure but I mean it is going right [TS]

00:10:56   or retrofit all your existing cars to be [TS]

00:10:58   cranks starts which i'm sure most people [TS]

00:11:00   probably don't have the capability to do [TS]

00:11:02   it gets rolling a stick shift car down [TS]

00:11:04   the hill and pop the clutch if that's if [TS]

00:11:07   that's the option to have to take a [TS]

00:11:08   steam train down the end of the block to [TS]

00:11:10   get up and down [TS]

00:11:11   I would probably want to hang crank my [TS]

00:11:13   engine well yeah I mean but you know how [TS]

00:11:15   to turn and you know how to turn an [TS]

00:11:16   engine into a tank engine without the [TS]

00:11:18   benefit of the internet because I would [TS]

00:11:20   be impressed i just say I'm guess I'm [TS]

00:11:22   guessing the best that you know when [TS]

00:11:24   there's a there's a time when i learned [TS]

00:11:26   how to basically break into places that [TS]

00:11:29   should have been broken into without the [TS]

00:11:31   benefit of the internet and that's what [TS]

00:11:33   cool enough information tends to spread [TS]

00:11:35   don't know [TS]

00:11:37   with or without technology so i'm pretty [TS]

00:11:39   sure that all these solutions would be [TS]

00:11:40   part of the other vernacular within a [TS]

00:11:43   year and if it's been long enough for [TS]

00:11:45   ivy-covered vines to cover the front of [TS]

00:11:47   wrigley field that's that's putting both [TS]

00:11:50   literals close to the metaphoric failure [TS]

00:11:53   of the the team to actually make any [TS]

00:11:54   product forward motion but i'm sure that [TS]

00:11:56   at some point someone figured out how to [TS]

00:11:58   make things work better than just you [TS]

00:12:00   know that's what I i but i have to say i [TS]

00:12:02   have to admit though I haven't seen a [TS]

00:12:03   single episode I was totally throwing [TS]

00:12:05   haha becomes totally i was totally i was [TS]

00:12:09   totally thrown off by like all the [TS]

00:12:11   teasers because always the at the first [TS]

00:12:14   love you co another post a club [TS]

00:12:16   post-apocalyptic sort of place that that [TS]

00:12:18   stuff exclusively by incredibly hot [TS]

00:12:21   looking women and you're just mad that [TS]

00:12:22   see here's the thing i did watch the [TS]

00:12:24   pilot and and I i'm amused by the fact [TS]

00:12:27   that that uh we're sitting here of [TS]

00:12:30   though it's nerds ok so I get it but [TS]

00:12:31   that were debating the side of the [TS]

00:12:33   scientific underpinnings of this [TS]

00:12:35   ridiculous plot because my problem with [TS]

00:12:38   it is that while there are many but one [TS]

00:12:40   of them is it's the clean apocalypse and [TS]

00:12:42   I hate the clean apocalypse like well [TS]

00:12:44   the site is completely broken down but [TS]

00:12:46   we're all pretty clean and well dressed [TS]

00:12:49   and well-fed and not horribly scarred [TS]

00:12:52   and you know our hair is fairly well [TS]

00:12:56   kept and thatthat's just I mean first [TS]

00:12:59   off that's ridiculous and then and then [TS]

00:13:01   watching the pilot I kept thinking to [TS]

00:13:03   myself why I honestly repeatedly said [TS]

00:13:07   why would I ever watch more of this show [TS]

00:13:09   because i didn't find the characters [TS]

00:13:11   that interesting it seems like we're [TS]

00:13:13   setting up for this you know another one [TS]

00:13:14   of these quests where there's a where [TS]

00:13:16   there's a fundamental premise mystery i [TS]

00:13:20   I've got a lot of flashbacks to flash [TS]

00:13:22   forward [TS]

00:13:23   which was a i watched wasted 10 hours of [TS]

00:13:26   my life watching that show and that was [TS]

00:13:28   a terrible show and this felt very much [TS]

00:13:30   the same so I you know I I i didn't get [TS]

00:13:33   past the pilot for this one because i [TS]

00:13:35   didn't like the clean apocalypse thing [TS]

00:13:37   and I felt that I i had no motivation to [TS]

00:13:40   come back for another week to see these [TS]

00:13:41   characters in what presumably is them [TS]

00:13:44   walking you know traveling from town to [TS]

00:13:46   town is very incredible hulk style [TS]

00:13:49   visiting with people and meeting with [TS]

00:13:51   mean people who are trying to exert [TS]

00:13:52   their power over the the the weaker [TS]

00:13:55   people and I just didn't work for me [TS]

00:13:58   well okay i actually took the time to [TS]

00:14:00   watch all of the episodes to date second [TS]

00:14:03   so now I you know I disagree I disagree [TS]

00:14:05   I disagree that I i have also watched [TS]

00:14:09   all of the episodes place I mean okay i [TS]

00:14:13   I'm just starting out there i'm speaking [TS]

00:14:15   you know I maybe that's because I 10 [TS]

00:14:17   less towards the critical and more [TS]

00:14:18   towards the looking for good in things [TS]

00:14:20   dance ask for the masses because this is [TS]

00:14:22   a hit and also it's consistent manner [TS]

00:14:24   masses let's let's all admit that the [TS]

00:14:26   masses are no indicator of taste [TS]

00:14:28   I mean that's really hit or not is [TS]

00:14:31   regardless of the fact that just means [TS]

00:14:32   whether or not it gets the air enough [TS]

00:14:33   episodes that it might turn into [TS]

00:14:34   something that's not bad in my opinion I [TS]

00:14:37   think there's I think there are a lot of [TS]

00:14:38   problems with the show but i think there [TS]

00:14:41   are things about it that I like I like [TS]

00:14:42   the production design i thought there [TS]

00:14:44   were some cool stuff in there [TS]

00:14:45   I've enjoyed the fact that there I mean [TS]

00:14:47   and I come at this from the perspective [TS]

00:14:49   of as Jason knows having written a novel [TS]

00:14:51   about a post-apocalyptic world that was [TS]

00:14:53   very similar to this in some ways and so [TS]

00:14:55   you know that belies my fondness for [TS]

00:14:57   this idea as a premise your night light [TS]

00:15:00   effects better than this show damn well [TS]

00:15:03   they didn't turn that into a television [TS]

00:15:04   show sadly that said I think there are [TS]

00:15:07   some not yet there are some cool ideas [TS]

00:15:09   in it and I like some of the I like some [TS]

00:15:11   of the characters and as they got along [TS]

00:15:13   there have been I admitting that there [TS]

00:15:15   were a lot of points in in the pilot [TS]

00:15:16   which the thing that i would be more [TS]

00:15:18   most critical about was like I felt like [TS]

00:15:20   I saw most of the beats and the pilot [TS]

00:15:22   coming [TS]

00:15:22   yeah there were a couple moments they [TS]

00:15:24   got me and then there were some things [TS]

00:15:25   in later episodes that I thought took [TS]

00:15:27   this in directions that were more [TS]

00:15:28   interesting and I enjoyed the more the [TS]

00:15:32   flashbacks as we went along the the sort [TS]

00:15:34   of going into the flashbacks about how [TS]

00:15:36   things in the [TS]

00:15:37   asked happened how people reacted and [TS]

00:15:40   spending out so little bit more of this [TS]

00:15:42   sort of conspiracy i agreed what Jason [TS]

00:15:44   that I got a lot of a ring a lot of [TS]

00:15:47   bells that flashforward rang and i think [TS]

00:15:51   this show is better than flash forward [TS]

00:15:52   which may not be saying like everything [TS]

00:15:55   endorsement but I i don't know i mean i [TS]

00:15:58   like the idea that they're willing to [TS]

00:15:59   try audacious you know big-budget show [TS]

00:16:02   on something that is not your typical [TS]

00:16:05   doctor lawyer show and so I'm always [TS]

00:16:08   willing to give something a try if it's [TS]

00:16:11   if it's you know audacious enough and [TS]

00:16:14   there's you know the show has a decent [TS]

00:16:15   pedigree behind it too in terms of the [TS]

00:16:17   community the creative team and so that [TS]

00:16:19   for me is enough to be interesting i [TS]

00:16:21   feel very much like this is a its first [TS]

00:16:23   season show it's very it's more it's got [TS]

00:16:27   more of an ongoing plot than i expected [TS]

00:16:29   because first season shows are often [TS]

00:16:32   very episodic which is say there's a B [TS]

00:16:34   plot that sort of going through the [TS]

00:16:36   entire thing which wich i appreciate but [TS]

00:16:37   it does feel like it's trying to find [TS]

00:16:39   its footing and I could see it turning [TS]

00:16:42   into something you know very interesting [TS]

00:16:44   it might also just go off the deep end [TS]

00:16:46   and totally lose my interest but right [TS]

00:16:49   now I i give it sort of a grudging [TS]

00:16:50   approval [TS]

00:16:51   I don't know guys I I've seen all the [TS]

00:16:53   episodes as well because i like a post [TS]

00:16:55   apocalyptic stories and that you've hit [TS]

00:16:56   most of the the nerd highlights of [TS]

00:16:58   what's wrong with it but I think like if [TS]

00:17:00   you ignore all the things that we've [TS]

00:17:02   discussed so far and just pretend it's [TS]

00:17:04   not the story that it is it like it [TS]

00:17:07   suffers from several some like the [TS]

00:17:09   network effect is in the television [TS]

00:17:11   network effect i think any one of us if [TS]

00:17:13   you put us on a spot right now and said [TS]

00:17:15   I want to have this post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:17:16   story where it's like 15 years after [TS]

00:17:20   civilization has gone to hell and you [TS]

00:17:22   know I and there's a group of people run [TS]

00:17:25   with it we can come up with better [TS]

00:17:27   characters better premise better things [TS]

00:17:29   for them to do better and you know [TS]

00:17:32   overall arc better episodes like [TS]

00:17:34   everything about it is just so kind of [TS]

00:17:36   like it's not it's not Terranova bad but [TS]

00:17:39   it's it's pretty bad in terms of its [TS]

00:17:40   like boring side of road by the numbers [TS]

00:17:44   not really that enjoy I think [TS]

00:17:45   flash-forwards a way better show this [TS]

00:17:47   because at least flash forward was a [TS]

00:17:48   disaster that had some ambition [TS]

00:17:50   this is kind of like a yeah all right i [TS]

00:17:52   mean like just that if you had to [TS]

00:17:54   explain what is what is the main start [TS]

00:17:55   going after that her brother who cares [TS]

00:17:58   about her brother who cares about her [TS]

00:17:59   who cares about the MacGuffin who cares [TS]

00:18:01   about any of these people society and [TS]

00:18:04   like it's there's there's some [TS]

00:18:05   interesting stuff there but they never [TS]

00:18:07   go to the interesting stuff is just like [TS]

00:18:09   yeah it really it really kills me and [TS]

00:18:11   it's in its lack of ambition you know we [TS]

00:18:14   happen to have a good apocalypse show on [TS]

00:18:18   TV right now in the walking dead which [TS]

00:18:21   is not a clean apocalypse which is more [TS]

00:18:23   interesting and shows how messy things [TS]

00:18:24   are in a way that it may actually kind [TS]

00:18:27   of ruined revolution for me because [TS]

00:18:29   revolution is you know work we're [TS]

00:18:32   camping [TS]

00:18:33   that's like that's what the apocalypse [TS]

00:18:34   is is we have to camp out now and all [TS]

00:18:38   the logistics for wrong in terms like 15 [TS]

00:18:39   years later well I mean I I wanted a [TS]

00:18:41   revolution i wanted to post block the [TS]

00:18:43   show that didn't Tommy's yeah well I [TS]

00:18:45   wish his head was just had some kind of [TS]

00:18:46   a threat besides Civil War looking [TS]

00:18:50   people and one guy who's kind of a [TS]

00:18:51   psychopath mean guy and it's like it's [TS]

00:18:53   just business [TS]

00:18:54   i feel like and i really feel like [TS]

00:18:56   anybody could come up with something and [TS]

00:18:58   the only reason this gets on the air and [TS]

00:18:59   the million better ideas don't get on [TS]

00:19:01   the air is because some person goes like [TS]

00:19:02   okay okay [TS]

00:19:04   electricity doesn't work like it it's a [TS]

00:19:06   show the premises for dunces pitched by [TS]

00:19:08   dances to dances and that gets the green [TS]

00:19:11   light and anybody could come up with a [TS]

00:19:12   better post apocalyptic stories in this [TS]

00:19:14   like with more interesting things or [TS]

00:19:16   whatever it's like now that's not going [TS]

00:19:17   to understand how about this you know it [TS]

00:19:19   just it really it really bothers me that [TS]

00:19:21   way now I keep watching it i'm not sure [TS]

00:19:23   why i'll probably end up deleting it [TS]

00:19:25   I mean I just the last few episodes i [TS]

00:19:28   had built up I just watched so i can be [TS]

00:19:29   in this podcast but [TS]

00:19:31   I really like i said i think flash board [TS]

00:19:34   was a better show because it tried into [TS]

00:19:37   something more and really I think I care [TS]

00:19:38   about the characters from the flashcard [TS]

00:19:40   now characters no no I was guys might be [TS]

00:19:42   awful i'm having sometimes I get lost [TS]

00:19:45   and then I watched and I want to be [TS]

00:19:46   hired a flash-forward man that I said I [TS]

00:19:49   watched flashforward as well I mean it [TS]

00:19:50   went off the rails and / or was a [TS]

00:19:52   message but like it was there was some [TS]

00:19:54   ambition there I felt like there was [TS]

00:19:56   some kind of ambition in flashforward [TS]

00:19:58   there was a little bit off the beaten [TS]

00:20:00   path in this just seems so [TS]

00:20:01   paint-by-numbers i think i think the [TS]

00:20:03   problem here is there with this one is [TS]

00:20:04   there backing into i think what they [TS]

00:20:06   want to get at by the main plot [TS]

00:20:08   I mean I don't know ke they're not doing [TS]

00:20:11   they didn't necessarily do a great job [TS]

00:20:12   of leading into at the beginning but I i [TS]

00:20:14   think they've backed into some stuff [TS]

00:20:16   that might be interesting no I'm not [TS]

00:20:18   saying is the greatest thing since [TS]

00:20:19   sliced bread but i thought i thought it [TS]

00:20:20   had some potential promise that sliced [TS]

00:20:22   bread does not work in revolutions [TS]

00:20:24   despair are the limitations of the shows [TS]

00:20:26   that kind of put the handcuffs on [TS]

00:20:27   themselves like what right with a pilot [TS]

00:20:30   where they can't just like a doctor who [TS]

00:20:33   it's a show that is here's a really [TS]

00:20:35   colorful universe with some really cool [TS]

00:20:38   stuff in it let's chill stories that [TS]

00:20:40   take place that really wonderful [TS]

00:20:41   University they created Star Trek also [TS]

00:20:44   there can be some ongoing stories but [TS]

00:20:47   fundamentally it's about this wonderful [TS]

00:20:48   universal we're going to explore filled [TS]

00:20:50   with great characters i think one of my [TS]

00:20:52   disconnects with a lot of these shows is [TS]

00:20:54   that with the revolution that I'm sorry [TS]

00:20:57   with the with with that show I mean that [TS]

00:20:59   the right to the pilot it's okay so [TS]

00:21:01   you're telling me that I really [TS]

00:21:03   shouldn't pay close attention to these [TS]

00:21:05   characters i should really ask myself [TS]

00:21:07   how did the power get turned off and how [TS]

00:21:10   are they going to turn it back on again [TS]

00:21:11   i don't know i think it's overwhelmed by [TS]

00:21:14   this question that is in the end should [TS]

00:21:16   really just be the MacGuffin of the [TS]

00:21:17   series [TS]

00:21:18   yeah that's how I felt flash forward and [TS]

00:21:20   and not exactly living too and also and [TS]

00:21:23   also you just you don't there's the [TS]

00:21:24   David Lynch effect where you're [TS]

00:21:26   wondering where our man you're gonna do [TS]

00:21:28   you really have any idea producers how [TS]

00:21:30   you're going to win this up or are you [TS]

00:21:32   just going to mess with me season after [TS]

00:21:34   season after season having no idea what [TS]

00:21:37   direction you're going to go for me [TS]

00:21:39   Babylon 5 way the template where you [TS]

00:21:41   have to work out where all of this stuff [TS]

00:21:43   is going to have to maintain [TS]

00:21:45   my faith that by investing in your show [TS]

00:21:47   is that there's going to be a payoff at [TS]

00:21:48   some point while they're playing it [TS]

00:21:50   shows that don't Bob I mean you know [TS]

00:21:52   depending on how the show works there [TS]

00:21:53   are definitely episodic shows that don't [TS]

00:21:55   necessarily have a thread that runs from [TS]

00:21:56   you know episode 12 the final episode so [TS]

00:22:00   I think it depends on the type of show [TS]

00:22:01   this is I agree this is one of those [TS]

00:22:03   shows that does seem like it's setting [TS]

00:22:04   up to have some big mystery [TS]

00:22:07   yeah and i think that is that's tricky [TS]

00:22:09   you can get away with not with this type [TS]

00:22:12   of you know string people along not know [TS]

00:22:14   where you're going to like you you have [TS]

00:22:16   it's like a balancing acts like an [TS]

00:22:17   equalizer for your stereo right if [TS]

00:22:19   you're going to crank those things down [TS]

00:22:20   you have to drink something else up and [TS]

00:22:22   the thing is like everything in the show [TS]

00:22:23   all the characters motivations don't [TS]

00:22:25   read is real [TS]

00:22:27   the dialogue is not interesting or that [TS]

00:22:29   snappy like isn't this is not good [TS]

00:22:30   writing the character the character [TS]

00:22:31   don't act like human beings that like [TS]

00:22:33   badly written characters no one's [TS]

00:22:35   motivation makes any sense if you think [TS]

00:22:36   about it more than three seconds over on [TS]

00:22:38   the same thing with the premises like [TS]

00:22:39   what which one of my equalizer girls are [TS]

00:22:41   up here like what is it [TS]

00:22:43   alright so fine you're not good at what [TS]

00:22:44   are you compensating within just [TS]

00:22:45   everything is just down like low-quality [TS]

00:22:48   boring not very smart not realistic to [TS]

00:22:52   give a guy with a sword [TS]

00:22:53   not even the swords not interesting the [TS]

00:22:56   guy's not interesting like no he's not [TS]

00:22:59   everything in it is just turn weiwei the [TS]

00:23:01   only interesting thing about it is like [TS]

00:23:03   I like post-apocalypse stories which I [TS]

00:23:05   do i really really like that's why [TS]

00:23:06   watching the show but it's just [TS]

00:23:07   everything is nothing in there for me [TS]

00:23:09   it's just it really about and I think [TS]

00:23:11   that's why it's popular is like it's [TS]

00:23:13   like a it's like NCIS or CSI rings other [TS]

00:23:15   shows they're just like just really all [TS]

00:23:19   the dials turned way down very very [TS]

00:23:21   broad don't confuse anybody you know [TS]

00:23:25   like even CSI better at least that has a [TS]

00:23:27   mystery act if you're into mysteries [TS]

00:23:28   than you know you can get a taste of [TS]

00:23:30   that was just nothing in the show from [TS]

00:23:31   you and i and i got i'm gonna say it's [TS]

00:23:33   not as bad as terra nova turnover was [TS]

00:23:35   worse but it gets that same feel [TS]

00:23:37   i mean i-i didn't even get past the [TS]

00:23:39   pilot with Terra Nova that was they [TS]

00:23:40   learn that was really bad heard of old [TS]

00:23:43   Terra Terra Nova pilot was so much [TS]

00:23:45   better than the actual episodes were too [TS]

00:23:47   that's the thing because i watch some of [TS]

00:23:48   those when I was someone in the chatroom [TS]

00:23:50   brings up Jericho everything is a short [TS]

00:23:52   show that was much more interesting than [TS]

00:23:54   this but with a similar vibe [TS]

00:23:56   you don't think Jericho was more [TS]

00:23:57   interesting than that in a revolution i [TS]

00:23:59   watch more than one episode of Jericho [TS]

00:24:02   I like three or four but yeah with it [TS]

00:24:05   also had the same problem of not very [TS]

00:24:06   smart people not very smart dialogue but [TS]

00:24:08   at least it got you somewhat intrigued [TS]

00:24:10   in the premises until you realize that [TS]

00:24:12   it was just gonna be dumb you know [TS]

00:24:14   yeah I alright well we'll move on from [TS]

00:24:16   revolution but I I'm so out of touch the [TS]

00:24:19   that a I got my entertainment weekly and [TS]

00:24:22   it said revolution its successful and I [TS]

00:24:24   thought really how is that possible but [TS]

00:24:28   apparently it is i mean there's a [TS]

00:24:30   certain question and that too at least [TS]

00:24:32   because of the idea that you know if [TS]

00:24:34   this is the kind of show that it doesn't [TS]

00:24:35   seem like usually succeeds right [TS]

00:24:38   oh yeah like especially on a network [TS]

00:24:40   yeah well we'll see we'll see how they [TS]

00:24:44   will see how they do but it apparently [TS]

00:24:46   has gotten into some reading so far i'm [TS]

00:24:49   just happy the Philadelphia isn't it [TS]

00:24:51   I excellent i will i'm going to bring up [TS]

00:24:54   a new show that I've been watching or at [TS]

00:24:57   least I watched a few episodes of which [TS]

00:24:59   is Elementary which is CBS is Sherlock [TS]

00:25:03   Holmes procedural inspiring jonny lee [TS]

00:25:06   miller and Lucy Liu right because that [TS]

00:25:12   was always my complaint about sherlock [TS]

00:25:13   holmes Watson should be hot [TS]

00:25:16   uh-uh i always thought that to myself as [TS]

00:25:19   I was ya think it is thank you yeah I'd [TS]

00:25:21   say if you take jewel on their men and [TS]

00:25:23   then some people might argue he is so [TS]

00:25:26   elementary you know I i was amused by a [TS]

00:25:28   lot of the reviews of of elementary that [TS]

00:25:31   were very apologetic about the fact that [TS]

00:25:33   it wasn't as good as the BBC sherlock [TS]

00:25:35   but that it needed to be judged on its [TS]

00:25:37   own and not compared to the BBC sherlock [TS]

00:25:39   because it was not nearly as good as [TS]

00:25:41   that just like they will follow [TS]

00:25:42   themselves yes yes I've seen that all [TS]

00:25:45   you ate before it is at six episodes of [TS]

00:25:47   the BBC sherlock yes it's not as good as [TS]

00:25:50   that but and then there's the there's [TS]

00:25:53   always the butt which is you know it so [TS]

00:25:57   elementary you know that it's a [TS]

00:25:59   retelling of Sherlock Holmes he's in New [TS]

00:26:00   York he's he's a buddy still English he [TS]

00:26:04   is a recovering addict and Watson is [TS]

00:26:08   there to kind of monitor him and he's [TS]

00:26:10   the [TS]

00:26:10   sherlock holmes that we know more or [TS]

00:26:11   less than that he's got his amazing [TS]

00:26:13   powers of deduction and so it's not a [TS]

00:26:16   terrible idea to set to take Sherlock [TS]

00:26:19   Holmes and put him in the middle of the [TS]

00:26:20   CBS crime procedural why not and that [TS]

00:26:24   and that is literally what this show is [TS]

00:26:25   I like i said i watched I think three [TS]

00:26:27   episodes and I realize okay I think I've [TS]

00:26:29   seen the show now I think I've seen it [TS]

00:26:31   all just going to be variations on the [TS]

00:26:32   theme because it literally is who needs [TS]

00:26:35   an entire CSI when you have sherlock [TS]

00:26:38   freaking homes he is it CSI Sherlock [TS]

00:26:42   right so that and that's really at me [TS]

00:26:44   and Lucy Liu is she's feisty and does [TS]

00:26:47   the things that she does but you know I [TS]

00:26:51   i was interested in watching it because [TS]

00:26:54   i like to compare to the BBC Steven [TS]

00:26:57   Moffat Mark Gatiss series and you know [TS]

00:27:01   they're not I I think they're not [TS]

00:27:03   comparable in in any way at all i think [TS]

00:27:06   that the BBC show has handled updating [TS]

00:27:09   sherlock holmes for the modern-day kind [TS]

00:27:12   of immaculately lots of the interesting [TS]

00:27:15   flourishes uh-oh of ways that Sherlock [TS]

00:27:17   Holmes adapt to modern society whereas [TS]

00:27:20   this is I mean really it's it's just a [TS]

00:27:23   CBS show he's the mental list except his [TS]

00:27:26   powers are different i saw the first one [TS]

00:27:28   the first half of the premier it just I [TS]

00:27:30   didn't really have any complaints about [TS]

00:27:32   it is easy to make it's easy to make fun [TS]

00:27:34   of okay Lucy lewis watson ok i know [TS]

00:27:36   where you're going with those networks [TS]

00:27:37   it just didn't really engage me not like [TS]

00:27:40   the guy I can't you can't help but [TS]

00:27:42   compare to the BBC addition because it's [TS]

00:27:43   the same characters in the same your [TS]

00:27:45   stories that we all grew up with and [TS]

00:27:47   whereas I don't I just don't I think [TS]

00:27:49   they didn't think that it would have [TS]

00:27:51   been great better if they had really [TS]

00:27:53   taken the house md approach where they [TS]

00:27:56   didn't hide in any way shape or form [TS]

00:27:58   that Sherlock sculpture lock holmes and [TS]

00:28:00   watson is the model for this these [TS]

00:28:03   characters in this relationship but when [TS]

00:28:05   they realize that well work we really [TS]

00:28:07   want to drift far apart from that [TS]

00:28:09   modernize it at that point they did the [TS]

00:28:11   smart thing they decided well we don't [TS]

00:28:12   have to call it Sherlock Holmes we can [TS]

00:28:14   simply called to claim this is a brand [TS]

00:28:16   new character and totally totally [TS]

00:28:18   short-circuit anyone's expect [TS]

00:28:20   expectations that direction so i think [TS]

00:28:22   that whereas the BBC version [TS]

00:28:24   produced a wonderful that thrilling [TS]

00:28:26   update to to Sherlock mean these are [TS]

00:28:28   this is the exact same character the [TS]

00:28:30   relationship is spot on the characters [TS]

00:28:32   attitudes towards life and towards the [TS]

00:28:34   the environment is spot-on even though [TS]

00:28:37   they are they do have cell phones now [TS]

00:28:38   and now they're actually using the [TS]

00:28:40   underground instead of care courses [TS]

00:28:42   carriages I just don't think that this [TS]

00:28:44   new version of advert for for America [TS]

00:28:47   really hits those same notes it's a [TS]

00:28:49   decent show is just not a decent shirt [TS]

00:28:51   walk when it's right it's it's not [TS]

00:28:52   really sure like I mean it's the [TS]

00:28:54   character and that's really what the [TS]

00:28:56   transplanting is he's got a he's got a [TS]

00:28:58   watson and he's a master of deduction [TS]

00:29:01   but all the other trappings of sherlock [TS]

00:29:03   holmes have been sort of swept away and [TS]

00:29:05   like I said we're left with a CBS crime [TS]

00:29:07   procedural where the main character is a [TS]

00:29:10   master of deduction which and somebody [TS]

00:29:13   in the chat room is saying you know it's [TS]

00:29:14   not even close to the BBC but it's not [TS]

00:29:15   bad for network TV and I it's not i mean [TS]

00:29:17   if I was locked in a room and forced to [TS]

00:29:21   watch a CBS crime procedural and I've [TS]

00:29:24   seen episodes of most of them i would [TS]

00:29:26   probably pick elementary because it was [TS]

00:29:29   fine and it was kinda sherlock holmes [TS]

00:29:32   character and and and Johnny Lee [TS]

00:29:34   Miller's performances it's he's [TS]

00:29:36   interesting and it's it's fine but all [TS]

00:29:39   of those CBS crime procedurals are feel [TS]

00:29:42   like they're of a kind I mean they're [TS]

00:29:43   literally they're mass-produced crime [TS]

00:29:47   entertainment for an older demographic [TS]

00:29:48   and everything wraps up nicely at the [TS]

00:29:51   end and that's fine there's nothing [TS]

00:29:53   wrong with that is a competently [TS]

00:29:55   produced piece of entertainment it's [TS]

00:29:57   just you know it's hard for me to get [TS]

00:29:59   enthusiastic because it doesn't it [TS]

00:30:00   doesn't seem to really push it's not [TS]

00:30:02   even like person of interest which sort [TS]

00:30:04   of took the CBS template and then did [TS]

00:30:06   some interesting kind of subversive [TS]

00:30:07   things with it it's just you know it is [TS]

00:30:10   like i said it's sort of like a CSI NCIS [TS]

00:30:14   kind of meant the mentalist is like the [TS]

00:30:16   best example it's very much like that [TS]

00:30:17   it's a guy who's really clever and he [TS]

00:30:19   notices Stephanie solves crimes [TS]

00:30:21   yay so there it is in the seventies he [TS]

00:30:26   would have a rock band in a van [TS]

00:30:27   did anybody i did anybody else see [TS]

00:30:31   elementary is it only me to sacrifice [TS]

00:30:34   myself it did not directly but how [TS]

00:30:37   no my mother started watching it [TS]

00:30:38   apparently oh good well there that's [TS]

00:30:40   again there's the demographic right [TS]

00:30:42   there [TS]

00:30:42   well to be fair to be fair my mother [TS]

00:30:44   usually is pretty good taste in [TS]

00:30:45   television [TS]

00:30:46   alright well except that she said it was [TS]

00:30:48   yeah that's what she said she's like [TS]

00:30:49   it's not great but it's okay i mean [TS]

00:30:51   she's watching videos in the demographic [TS]

00:30:53   like that much better but and it's not [TS]

00:30:56   bad [TS]

00:30:56   so that's what it's got going for it so [TS]

00:30:58   sees Jon watched all of all of [TS]

00:31:00   revolution just to be on this podcast [TS]

00:31:02   and I watched three out three hours of [TS]

00:31:04   elementary so we all make our sacrifices [TS]

00:31:06   but what else is new [TS]

00:31:09   last resort should we talk about that i [TS]

00:31:13   would happily talk about it i watched [TS]

00:31:14   all of that as well I've watched all of [TS]

00:31:16   that as well I've only seen the first [TS]

00:31:18   two but don't let that stop you [TS]

00:31:20   we can we can talk about it and John [TS]

00:31:23   sounds we're hearing again if I let him [TS]

00:31:25   go first this time all go after all [TS]

00:31:28   right because a tough competition [TS]

00:31:29   between this and revolution for the new [TS]

00:31:31   show that I'm least enthusiastic haha mi [TS]

00:31:35   Dulce parents didn't know anything about [TS]

00:31:37   it until I watched the pilot and like I [TS]

00:31:39   was gonna be an interesting premise but [TS]

00:31:41   like they don't know what they're doing [TS]

00:31:43   on this show they don't like they don't [TS]

00:31:45   know what the point of it is it's like [TS]

00:31:48   well we've got that we've got the [TS]

00:31:49   locations from lost but we sure as heck [TS]

00:31:51   don't have the writers of the cast and [TS]

00:31:53   the premise is even less focused than [TS]

00:31:55   loss if that was even possible [TS]

00:31:57   huh you know that the thing you saw the [TS]

00:31:59   pilot with the submarine and the nuclear [TS]

00:32:01   missiles and the firing on your own [TS]

00:32:03   thing but then we also supposed to care [TS]

00:32:05   about the people like they cannot keep [TS]

00:32:07   from episode to episode like what the [TS]

00:32:09   actual conflict is and what the [TS]

00:32:10   parameters that conflict or something [TS]

00:32:12   that it's basically just like each [TS]

00:32:13   episode you will see beautiful scenery [TS]

00:32:15   on a tropical island and soldier like [TS]

00:32:17   people run around and do something and [TS]

00:32:19   you probably won't care too much about [TS]

00:32:20   it up too much tension because next week [TS]

00:32:22   new people run around and do new things [TS]

00:32:24   and I'm just tired of it [TS]

00:32:26   it's like not not quite it's not [TS]

00:32:28   constrained enough I i like the pilot [TS]

00:32:30   because I agree with you it's all over [TS]

00:32:32   the place but what I liked about i like [TS]

00:32:35   most of the pilot let's say I what I [TS]

00:32:37   liked about it is that it felt like I [TS]

00:32:38   was watching the part of a movie and [TS]

00:32:42   that it was aight i love that it was [TS]

00:32:44   kind of a mess because i thought this [TS]

00:32:45   could go in interesting places the fact [TS]

00:32:47   that it is they don't sell is this but [TS]

00:32:48   it's essentially like a sci-fi show [TS]

00:32:50   because it's [TS]

00:32:51   that in a time where the you know I I [TS]

00:32:53   you know there's questions about the US [TS]

00:32:54   government and they there's a nuclear [TS]

00:32:56   attack on Pakistan and and Andre [TS]

00:32:59   Braugher who is great and i love Andre [TS]

00:33:01   Braugher is set set himself up as [TS]

00:33:03   basically the dictator of this island [TS]

00:33:04   because he's got his nuclear submarine [TS]

00:33:06   and there's you know there's a [TS]

00:33:08   government conspiracy and that's always [TS]

00:33:09   really boring ever since like the [TS]

00:33:11   x-files I've been very bored by [TS]

00:33:13   government [TS]

00:33:13   I don't know why people think government [TS]

00:33:15   conspiracies are interesting and it's [TS]

00:33:17   like the default go to run it's like [TS]

00:33:19   paperwork but evil is evil paperwork but [TS]

00:33:21   it's still paperwork it's boring [TS]

00:33:23   they can't even be bothered to have a [TS]

00:33:25   conspiracy is just like the government [TS]

00:33:27   bureaucrats are mean [TS]

00:33:28   yeah yeah well you're right there's [TS]

00:33:30   implications are conspiracy but it [TS]

00:33:32   really is just the club of me and [TS]

00:33:34   bureaucrats yet they can't even be [TS]

00:33:35   bothered to tease you with it just like [TS]

00:33:37   we doing the government series now let's [TS]

00:33:39   just have like the soldier guy and the [TS]

00:33:40   girl i guess that's gonna be the [TS]

00:33:42   opposite episode and now the pilot does [TS]

00:33:44   have one of the most spectacularly [TS]

00:33:46   terrible things I've ever seen in the TV [TS]

00:33:48   pilot which is the the military back in [TS]

00:33:51   Washington there's the military [TS]

00:33:53   contractor in her underwear [TS]

00:33:55   yeah which is one which that is that is [TS]

00:33:58   Mandy level badness that is West Wing [TS]

00:34:02   Moira Kelly level awful character [TS]

00:34:07   oh the there did I i have to say that I [TS]

00:34:10   think this is where I guess this is a [TS]

00:34:12   rhythm revolution I don't know why it's [TS]

00:34:13   worse but I just when I think about like [TS]

00:34:15   when they brought on my DVR and say [TS]

00:34:16   which one should i watch i usually go [TS]

00:34:19   for the door is just no I i know i mean [TS]

00:34:22   justjust 400 per hour i think i would [TS]

00:34:24   take a last resort / revolution and I'm [TS]

00:34:27   fascinated by it i pick up mad about [TS]

00:34:30   even for me [TS]

00:34:31   I mean I neither of them do I think it's [TS]

00:34:33   spectacularly great neither do i think [TS]

00:34:35   is I've seen more shows than both of [TS]

00:34:36   them and that you know again not saying [TS]

00:34:38   much as early i thought the pilot of [TS]

00:34:40   this one was pretty good i mean it had [TS]

00:34:42   at least one moment that you know I [TS]

00:34:44   thought was kind of a wow I didn't think [TS]

00:34:46   they were gonna you know do that [TS]

00:34:47   normally sell your bomb 200 miles [TS]

00:34:51   offshore washington DC [TS]

00:34:52   yeah I guess I didn't really even doing [TS]

00:34:55   that far yet [TS]

00:34:55   you know it makes sense to you in the [TS]

00:34:57   context of the plot or do you mean the [TS]

00:34:58   contractor in her underwear now that you [TS]

00:35:01   know whatever thats you nobody expected [TS]

00:35:03   from never tell ya [TS]

00:35:04   we need to get attention something looks [TS]

00:35:05   you have you expect the contractor to [TS]

00:35:07   not wear underwear jason has a lot of [TS]

00:35:10   chasing those work clothes yeah she was [TS]

00:35:12   very surprised if she needed to FL off [TS]

00:35:14   if FBI FBI agents are going to send [TS]

00:35:17   shirtless pictures of themselves the [TS]

00:35:18   people i think a contractor now know [TS]

00:35:20   about our sketch of my reality job so [TS]

00:35:23   you know I think you're that good it's [TS]

00:35:26   it's it's like we're doing we're getting [TS]

00:35:28   closer to the place where there's so [TS]

00:35:29   many scandals coming about that now [TS]

00:35:31   nobody will believe that the government [TS]

00:35:33   can pull it together to be evil towards [TS]

00:35:35   anybody because they're too busy sending [TS]

00:35:36   naughty photos to each other with their [TS]

00:35:38   government issued blackberry I believe [TS]

00:35:40   that's how multi and scholarly lasted so [TS]

00:35:41   long I don't know III in the day in the [TS]

00:35:43   day since george w bush I've had a hard [TS]

00:35:45   time you know believing that the [TS]

00:35:46   government is actually competent enough [TS]

00:35:48   to do things there that evil but you [TS]

00:35:51   know it's kind of it's kind of a have [TS]

00:35:52   your cake he needed to I think I think [TS]

00:35:54   there's some interesting stuff on the [TS]

00:35:55   show again there's some some threads [TS]

00:35:57   that are that are interesting as the [TS]

00:35:59   episodes have gone along they've gotten [TS]

00:36:00   more into sort of you know the the [TS]

00:36:02   episode stood the pilot starts with them [TS]

00:36:04   picking up these you Navy SEALs who have [TS]

00:36:06   been on some right botched operation and [TS]

00:36:08   they sort of get more into well what the [TS]

00:36:10   hell happened there [TS]

00:36:11   there's some interesting power-play [TS]

00:36:13   stuff i think on the island you know [TS]

00:36:14   because this local warlord who is kind [TS]

00:36:17   of got everybody understand rate it's [TS]

00:36:20   mess it's it's a total mess but i kinda [TS]

00:36:22   like I'm kind of enjoying that it's a [TS]

00:36:24   mess because there is all this different [TS]

00:36:26   stuff and I it's just it's fascinating [TS]

00:36:28   to me to see the them say look this is [TS]

00:36:30   not going to be like a regular TV series [TS]

00:36:32   where it's the same every week it's just [TS]

00:36:34   we're gonna have this complete mess of [TS]

00:36:35   strands and we're gonna try to advance [TS]

00:36:38   it and yeah if you think that's good the [TS]

00:36:40   most recent episode which I just watched [TS]

00:36:41   today involves basically a [TS]

00:36:43   hallucinogenic drug attack on the island [TS]

00:36:45   which I thought was just in frequency [TS]

00:36:48   know it was kinda entertaining the best [TS]

00:36:50   thing about this week's episode and was [TS]

00:36:52   that they so they did the thing they [TS]

00:36:54   didn't yet so lost does the thing are [TS]

00:36:56   you know JJ Abrams ever ever do the [TS]

00:36:58   thing where you know 10 million shows do [TS]

00:37:00   with a show you you know at a later [TS]

00:37:02   point is the first scene and then they [TS]

00:37:03   go back where you see 36 hours earlier [TS]

00:37:06   but this is the place that they put it [TS]

00:37:08   with they put that formula in a shotgun [TS]

00:37:10   and fired at the screen and then they [TS]

00:37:12   did in the dialogue they said like two [TS]

00:37:14   hours before the chemical attack and [TS]

00:37:17   word chemicals in red and they did this [TS]

00:37:18   seven times during the show and [TS]

00:37:20   everytime chemical was in red like okay [TS]

00:37:23   we get it was I thought it was handed [TS]

00:37:25   hilariously wacky I mean I i really i [TS]

00:37:28   really enjoyed it for me because it was [TS]

00:37:30   like spending a lot of time it was a [TS]

00:37:31   little bit like mementos like I'm just [TS]

00:37:33   trying to put the pieces together what [TS]

00:37:34   order this crap happened was what a mess [TS]

00:37:36   that was water and like and this pieces [TS]

00:37:38   scattered to know to no real end really [TS]

00:37:41   i mean two one reveal they had was [TS]

00:37:43   something that you saw coming and wasn't [TS]

00:37:45   that really important to the plot or [TS]

00:37:46   like oh what a mess that was what a mess [TS]

00:37:49   but you're right it's like it's a it's a [TS]

00:37:50   mess in this should be they should use [TS]

00:37:53   this show as a course for teaching [TS]

00:37:54   people how to write television because [TS]

00:37:56   every episode 7 examples of what not to [TS]

00:37:58   do and they're all didn't save variety [TS]

00:38:01   that's what i'm looking for a variety of [TS]

00:38:03   different ways not to read a TV show [TS]

00:38:05   yeah i mean honestly if you're gonna [TS]

00:38:08   watch a show and it's not great one of [TS]

00:38:12   the reasons to keep watching is because [TS]

00:38:14   it's fascinating in how strange and [TS]

00:38:17   messy and and just weird it is and and [TS]

00:38:20   that's kind of my fascination with last [TS]

00:38:22   resort is that it's got a little bit in [TS]

00:38:24   it that's a little bit of crimson tide [TS]

00:38:25   and I like that part and then the rest [TS]

00:38:27   of it is just like what are they doing [TS]

00:38:29   and honestly i'd much rather watch [TS]

00:38:31   something like that that's messy and [TS]

00:38:33   what are they doing then something like [TS]

00:38:35   the premise of revolution which for [TS]

00:38:37   whatever reason does just for me I look [TS]

00:38:40   at that and I think that's just really [TS]

00:38:41   boring because it's just I i kinda I [TS]

00:38:43   feel like I know all the permutations of [TS]

00:38:45   that story where as last resorts like I [TS]

00:38:47   don't know what they're gonna do it's [TS]

00:38:49   it's just how is that a TV show and [TS]

00:38:51   that's more interesting to me and I yeah [TS]

00:38:53   I don't think it'll last that I think [TS]

00:38:54   it'll I don't think I left beyond the [TS]

00:38:56   seas I don't sound I could I don't think [TS]

00:38:58   it can but I mean I like I really like [TS]

00:39:00   Sean Ryan the the guy behind it who did [TS]

00:39:02   the shield yeah areas and you know I [TS]

00:39:05   think this is just it's just so bizarre [TS]

00:39:07   as a show that I i can't help but you [TS]

00:39:10   kinda need to be put down speaking of [TS]

00:39:12   like Terriers like as an example of you [TS]

00:39:13   know what why does Terry get canceled [TS]

00:39:15   and last resort like potentially be [TS]

00:39:17   renewed like it's an unjust universe we [TS]

00:39:19   live in it is he says the sooner you get [TS]

00:39:22   to realize that the better you [TS]

00:39:23   understand television no no my one [TS]

00:39:25   favorite thing about last resort those [TS]

00:39:27   there's they have a at a convenient [TS]

00:39:30   radio whatever early-warning missile [TS]

00:39:33   detection system which is essential for [TS]

00:39:34   their stupid promise right yes it's like [TS]

00:39:36   a bigger you know it looks like a big [TS]

00:39:38   EPCOT Center dome and picks up radio [TS]

00:39:41   signals and it's in the valley between [TS]

00:39:43   two gigantic mountains which is exactly [TS]

00:39:45   that you put your your solution co-sleep [TS]

00:39:47   yeah you're your thing that senses all [TS]

00:39:50   around the entire island we can sense in [TS]

00:39:51   200 miles in any direction will Nestle [TS]

00:39:53   in this valley now I thought maybe [TS]

00:39:56   that's what doesn t fit [TS]

00:39:58   yeah well there if if you want some [TS]

00:40:01   evidence that there is a justin logical [TS]

00:40:03   universe animal hot the Animal Hospital [TS]

00:40:06   got canceled after one episode [TS]

00:40:08   yeah we're maybe too because they did [TS]

00:40:11   that they did the one that preempted the [TS]

00:40:13   end of the olympic closing ceremonies [TS]

00:40:14   and then I don't know what that show is [TS]

00:40:16   I feel good I feel better about it was [TS]

00:40:17   it was the NBC sitcom about that's and a [TS]

00:40:20   monkey [TS]

00:40:21   I had no idea that this thing exists me [TS]

00:40:23   you got a you had to think a monkey was [TS]

00:40:25   gold [TS]

00:40:25   comedy gold animal practice and practice [TS]

00:40:28   our yes but yeah I'll all you have to do [TS]

00:40:30   is see like all the clips of hey well [TS]

00:40:33   let's let's dress up a monkey like a [TS]

00:40:35   doctor and have them like walking around [TS]

00:40:37   doing rounds as a regular character [TS]

00:40:39   that'll work that is right out of the [TS]

00:40:42   television playbook of like you know [TS]

00:40:44   every show from the nineteen-eighties it [TS]

00:40:45   seems like so that's that that's it [TS]

00:40:47   that's a network executive that is [TS]

00:40:49   officially disgusted by America where I [TS]

00:40:52   i met I imagine this guy like having [TS]

00:40:55   tried to like large all these really [TS]

00:40:57   really great creative series and all [TS]

00:40:59   them tag after season ever like one [TS]

00:41:01   episode are never getting never get [TS]

00:41:02   launched to begin with is alright idiots [TS]

00:41:04   you what stupid sit gulps let's give [TS]

00:41:07   this with the stupid sitcom ever and [TS]

00:41:09   unfortunately there wasn't a springtime [TS]

00:41:11   for Hitler effect it actually was [TS]

00:41:12   regarded as the dumbest thing ever and [TS]

00:41:14   burst into flames potentially has [TS]

00:41:16   anybody actually anybody else actually [TS]

00:41:17   seen episodes the showtime series with [TS]

00:41:21   metal at the bomb [TS]

00:41:22   no but I was about to make a friend's [TS]

00:41:24   reference i was going to say that that [TS]

00:41:25   the the animal practice show is really [TS]

00:41:27   an NBC executive saying let's recapture [TS]

00:41:29   the magic of that time when they have [TS]

00:41:30   that monkey on friends [TS]

00:41:32   the monkey was testing through the roof [TS]

00:41:34   I told him to keep the monkey on the [TS]

00:41:35   show but they wouldn't listen to me i [TS]

00:41:37   think i was just amused because on the [TS]

00:41:40   show episode [TS]

00:41:40   codes which is sort of like a Hollywood [TS]

00:41:42   you know now pastiche right there's a [TS]

00:41:44   whole return recurring theme about how [TS]

00:41:46   the network that the the show focuses on [TS]

00:41:48   passed on a show about a talking dog and [TS]

00:41:51   then it becomes like the most popular [TS]

00:41:52   show on the network and they're like why [TS]

00:41:53   do we bet on the talking dog Joe that's [TS]

00:41:57   a that's I think Steven Moffat said has [TS]

00:41:59   did that the episodes painful for him [TS]

00:42:01   because it is at literally about Miss [TS]

00:42:04   adaptation of a UK sitcom in the 80s [TS]

00:42:06   like in fact it is and kind of hilarious [TS]

00:42:08   yeah yeah resembles the coupling story a [TS]

00:42:12   little bit too much any other any other [TS]

00:42:14   new stuff you guys are watching that we [TS]

00:42:15   should talk about that's weird that this [TS]

00:42:17   isn't like usually I have I start [TS]

00:42:20   watching more shows and then bail on a [TS]

00:42:21   bunch on this 1i guess the only to have [TS]

00:42:23   new ones are watching your revolution [TS]

00:42:25   and last week how Sally sad and they're [TS]

00:42:27   disappointed but like I think the [TS]

00:42:29   returning shows are making me happy this [TS]

00:42:31   year so all right well let's talk about [TS]

00:42:33   returning shows that she would tell my [TS]

00:42:34   friends a little bit [TS]

00:42:35   Alex get our God o so so well French [TS]

00:42:41   part of it is just we've come this far [TS]

00:42:43   right this is the last season of fringe [TS]

00:42:45   ya doing I'm gonna see I'm going to see [TS]

00:42:47   it through 13 episodes or whatever and [TS]

00:42:48   then they're done when you're halfway [TS]

00:42:50   you're halfway through now right [TS]

00:42:51   and basically i've only seen the first [TS]

00:42:53   what three of these i think i've seen [TS]

00:42:57   the first five [TS]

00:42:58   ah I'm i am happy that fringe is going [TS]

00:43:02   out on its own terms and its own terms [TS]

00:43:05   are completely insane right I'm okay [TS]

00:43:10   with that the fact that like hey let's [TS]

00:43:11   set in the future and we're fighting [TS]

00:43:13   aliens observer from threats and aliens [TS]

00:43:16   they're given future humans yeah I know [TS]

00:43:18   okay they're really the ones like the [TS]

00:43:20   watchers from marvel comics but I I'm [TS]

00:43:23   enjoying it because i like seeing the [TS]

00:43:25   characters and I like seeing them in a [TS]

00:43:27   different setting and it's you know it's [TS]

00:43:30   and it's crazy i love that they [TS]

00:43:32   basically threw away their kind of old [TS]

00:43:34   premise and have a new premise that's [TS]

00:43:36   just we admit we're not even a little [TS]

00:43:39   bit like we were in our first season now [TS]

00:43:41   if you went from the first episode to [TS]

00:43:43   the this season like I want to do it [TS]

00:43:46   with lash yeah so I've enjoyed it for [TS]

00:43:50   that I agree I you know I thought I [TS]

00:43:52   think I think this season dealing with [TS]

00:43:55   the the two worlds was my favorite which [TS]

00:43:58   three i think was the main one where we [TS]

00:43:59   really got into sort of the back and [TS]

00:44:01   forth between the two worlds and I'm [TS]

00:44:06   still enjoying it i mean i thought i got [TS]

00:44:07   i think its peak in the throat and a [TS]

00:44:09   third yes I grom but that I mean you [TS]

00:44:11   know even so it's still doing a lot [TS]

00:44:13   better and you know i think in the it's [TS]

00:44:16   nice that they got in the back door on [TS]

00:44:18   sort of the insert of the site like it [TS]

00:44:19   started off as this very like it's going [TS]

00:44:21   to be kind of x-files e right like yeah [TS]

00:44:23   and then they went just it just into [TS]

00:44:24   like unapologetic full-blown sci-fi [TS]

00:44:27   right and that I kind of appreciate [TS]

00:44:28   which is like there's not a lot of that [TS]

00:44:30   on television I feel like you're [TS]

00:44:31   definitely not on network television [TS]

00:44:32   know that this is a show that lets its [TS]

00:44:35   freak flag fly and it if it gets [TS]

00:44:37   freakier every every year it's true and [TS]

00:44:40   I don't mind that even though it's been [TS]

00:44:42   a really uneven kinda you know and then [TS]

00:44:44   even show over the years but i'm glad [TS]

00:44:46   they are getting to end of the same [TS]

00:44:48   complaint as i had last time we talked [TS]

00:44:49   about fringe which is that they now at [TS]

00:44:51   this point they've just done too many [TS]

00:44:52   changes and the they've done too much [TS]

00:44:55   with the same characters that now i feel [TS]

00:44:57   like i care about this character in this [TS]

00:44:58   space and I cared about this character i [TS]

00:45:00   do this space and then they made this [TS]

00:45:01   character not really her but then like a [TS]

00:45:03   clone but the different like they've [TS]

00:45:05   just been too many times too many [TS]

00:45:06   Walters too many Joshua Jackson's too [TS]

00:45:09   many you know you know you want to call [TS]

00:45:12   them Pacey too many paces [TS]

00:45:14   yeah I'm not like that doesn't it just [TS]

00:45:15   they've just gotten that they've gone [TS]

00:45:17   through the middle too many times and [TS]

00:45:18   every time they go recycled through its [TS]

00:45:20   not the storylines about so much it's [TS]

00:45:22   just that I'm no longer I no longer have [TS]

00:45:24   any I can't i lost the thread of what it [TS]

00:45:26   is these characters wanted what what is [TS]

00:45:28   going to be fulfilling for them [TS]

00:45:29   intellectually emotionally plot-wise and [TS]

00:45:32   I i mean i still enjoy the wackiness of [TS]

00:45:34   the plots and i like that they've just [TS]

00:45:36   basically reset the show like so many [TS]

00:45:37   times i find that that bold and [TS]

00:45:40   interesting and i like i like the [TS]

00:45:41   x-files season I like the i really like [TS]

00:45:44   the know the finding out Pacey wasn't [TS]

00:45:46   who you thought he was like the two [TS]

00:45:48   World season but like just as they've [TS]

00:45:50   gone through the meat grinder I just [TS]

00:45:51   care less and less than this this season [TS]

00:45:53   like I had no emotional connection with [TS]

00:45:55   their their daughter I don't care what [TS]

00:45:57   those two want Walter [TS]

00:45:59   changed over too many times the [TS]

00:46:00   assistant is there for no reason at this [TS]

00:46:02   point you know like it's just you just [TS]

00:46:05   you know just sail it out like and I'm [TS]

00:46:07   more interested in the characters of the [TS]

00:46:08   bald guys like know the turning them [TS]

00:46:10   into characters at least that because [TS]

00:46:11   they haven't been through the grinder 50 [TS]

00:46:13   times it's just the one you know like I [TS]

00:46:15   can get you know September was kind of [TS]

00:46:17   interesting character and i love these [TS]

00:46:18   evil guys like to know what's inside [TS]

00:46:20   their head what motivates them and stuff [TS]

00:46:22   but the but the other characters is just [TS]

00:46:24   too much so yeah they need the show [TS]

00:46:26   needs to go out I I applaud them for [TS]

00:46:28   being bold and daring and they had so [TS]

00:46:31   they had a couple of good you know half [TS]

00:46:33   seasons and some really good episodes [TS]

00:46:35   mixed in there so but in general it's [TS]

00:46:38   kind of dying with a whimper i think one [TS]

00:46:40   of the things I like about friends and I [TS]

00:46:41   na they've picked it up this year too is [TS]

00:46:44   that it does have an underlying kind of [TS]

00:46:45   sadness about its themes that I like [TS]

00:46:48   they and i've said this i think the [TS]

00:46:51   previous podcast the this is a show that [TS]

00:46:55   turns out its underlying premises about [TS]

00:46:58   the loss of a child and what happens [TS]

00:47:01   when Walter refuses to accept the loss [TS]

00:47:04   of his son and in this season I thought [TS]

00:47:08   it was interesting that they kind of [TS]

00:47:09   came back to it again that that that [TS]

00:47:13   theme with the idea that that that Peter [TS]

00:47:17   and Olivia's daughter is lost to them in [TS]

00:47:21   there is an attack by the observers and [TS]

00:47:22   they lose her and then their loss to her [TS]

00:47:25   because they get ambered up and are you [TS]

00:47:28   know trapped in amber while she grows up [TS]

00:47:30   and then they're reunited but I i think [TS]

00:47:33   it's you know for what it's worth I I've [TS]

00:47:36   always appreciated that about fringe [TS]

00:47:37   that they there is this underlying thing [TS]

00:47:39   that's about parents and children and [TS]

00:47:41   and loss of of children the severing of [TS]

00:47:44   the bonds between parents and children [TS]

00:47:45   and and that's been something that [TS]

00:47:47   they've had as a theme from from the [TS]

00:47:50   start from the from the pilot which is [TS]

00:47:52   about Pacey reconnecting with Walter [TS]

00:47:54   when he's been in the mental institution [TS]

00:47:57   all that time so anyway I I like that [TS]

00:47:59   about it and I thought that that in [TS]

00:48:01   starting the season it was cool that [TS]

00:48:04   they went back there and that they've [TS]

00:48:05   had this you know that that plot and [TS]

00:48:07   that theme keeps kind of coming yeah i [TS]

00:48:10   think that will play a big part in to [TS]

00:48:11   see I just [TS]

00:48:12   wait until you see where this season [TS]

00:48:13   eventually and John Doe spoil john-boy [TS]

00:48:15   little restaurant but i'm going to say [TS]

00:48:17   no no I mean I right they're playing [TS]

00:48:19   they're playing off all of those same [TS]

00:48:21   themes that they've had so I i like i [TS]

00:48:23   like that that there's some consistency [TS]

00:48:25   to the themes although I do think it [TS]

00:48:26   went over to the you know so bad it's [TS]

00:48:28   good thing Danny final bit with the [TS]

00:48:30   posters on the wall media or anything [TS]

00:48:33   like that that finally that wrapped [TS]

00:48:35   around that I'm like all right I will [TS]

00:48:37   just I was just on apologize to laugh at [TS]

00:48:39   that because it's just so alright that's [TS]

00:48:42   are you gonna do [TS]

00:48:42   ok just decided they're going out full [TS]

00:48:45   throttle and that's that's great [TS]

00:48:46   yeah 3 flag haha yeah everytime i watch [TS]

00:48:48   the show i am amazed this is only [TS]

00:48:51   applies to me that i watch it because [TS]

00:48:53   you know a few years ago my mom came to [TS]

00:48:56   visit and she said oh I have to watch [TS]

00:48:58   fringe while I'm here and I was like I [TS]

00:49:00   don't know what this fringes but ok and [TS]

00:49:02   i started watching it was like hey I'm [TS]

00:49:04   amazed you watch this mom and baby i'm [TS]

00:49:06   going to continue watching it and I I [TS]

00:49:08   have to ask my mother if she still [TS]

00:49:10   watches it though because i think it may [TS]

00:49:12   have gotten a little too weird for her [TS]

00:49:13   but yeah my mom made their about the [TS]

00:49:16   first three four seasons of lost and [TS]

00:49:18   then was just like yeah whatever that [TS]

00:49:20   time travel stories like that was not [TS]

00:49:22   like I'm amazed you made it that far [TS]

00:49:24   somebody in the chatroom pointed out by [TS]

00:49:27   the way that we did we did we leave off [TS]

00:49:28   a new a new show that I did watch the [TS]

00:49:30   pilot of which is arrow [TS]

00:49:32   oh haha on the CW it you're really a [TS]

00:49:37   plumbing the depths obvious i'm working [TS]

00:49:39   hard here don't know is it that bad as a [TS]

00:49:41   NBC had a short-lived show called the [TS]

00:49:44   cape over the Cape [TS]

00:49:46   yes the Cape I didn't see the Cape I saw [TS]

00:49:49   the first I saw the planet fact i [TS]

00:49:51   believe i believe the guy who started [TS]

00:49:53   the Cape is now on revolution [TS]

00:49:56   I'm not kidding i think that's true [TS]

00:49:58   actually I believe it is true era was [TS]

00:50:00   better than I expected although i had my [TS]

00:50:02   expectations were quite low [TS]

00:50:04   it's a bizarre combination of of it's [TS]

00:50:10   almost like lost crossed with gossip [TS]

00:50:13   girl it's it's one but haha it's you [TS]

00:50:16   know it there's some interesting aspects [TS]

00:50:18   to it because it's the idea that he's [TS]

00:50:20   the this kind of near too well playboy [TS]

00:50:22   who gets on a it isn't a shipwreck and [TS]

00:50:25   Island and learns to become this you [TS]

00:50:28   know bow and arrow ninja dude and you're [TS]

00:50:32   selling keep going you know and and so [TS]

00:50:34   when he comes back everybody remembers [TS]

00:50:36   its first they all thought he was dead [TS]

00:50:37   but everybody remembers that mr. spoiled [TS]

00:50:39   brat and he's at and so you get that [TS]

00:50:42   Bruce Wayne kind of thing where he's got [TS]

00:50:43   his public persona as this miserable [TS]

00:50:45   spoiled rich kid when in reality his [TS]

00:50:49   he's brooding and dark and likes to fire [TS]

00:50:52   arrows at evil guy is right because if [TS]

00:50:56   there's nothing that intimidates bad [TS]

00:50:58   people that bow and arrows well that's [TS]

00:51:00   what they had on the island except for [TS]

00:51:02   except for horses and bayonets [TS]

00:51:03   especially if you take the rubber [TS]

00:51:05   suction cup off the end of the era [TS]

00:51:07   before you fire it could take someone's [TS]

00:51:09   eye out with that it was a it was it was [TS]

00:51:11   pretty much what I expected from a CW CW [TS]

00:51:15   show it was not it was a show it was [TS]

00:51:17   well it was not as terrible as I thought [TS]

00:51:19   it would be i mean really it really [TS]

00:51:21   wasn't but i didn't watch another [TS]

00:51:22   episode of it i didn't i didn't record a [TS]

00:51:24   few more but we Sarah we had a ceremony [TS]

00:51:26   last night we deleted all the episodes [TS]

00:51:27   of arrow off the DVR so but there were [TS]

00:51:30   in fact let's go back and watch it but [TS]

00:51:32   that's like their debts they're trying [TS]

00:51:34   to recapture like Smallville and do it [TS]

00:51:36   then tell the story of the green arrow [TS]

00:51:37   which is hilarious also because my wife [TS]

00:51:39   who doesn't know anything about comic [TS]

00:51:40   books keeps getting Hawkeye and green [TS]

00:51:42   arrow confused and it never fails like [TS]

00:51:45   you know we're watching The Avengers [TS]

00:51:46   she's like so is the green arrow no no [TS]

00:51:49   it's not and we're watching Aaron just [TS]

00:51:50   like this is this the guy from The [TS]

00:51:51   Avengers no it's not there's two [TS]

00:51:53   separate bow and arrow superheroes [TS]

00:51:56   I know it's confused wait until the just [TS]

00:51:58   windshield shows i just gonna throw you [TS]

00:52:00   for a loop extra confusion [TS]

00:52:03   let's see what else I a couple of you [TS]

00:52:05   mentioned homeland which i haven't seen [TS]

00:52:07   although I've heard from some people [TS]

00:52:09   that might be another example the show [TS]

00:52:11   that print should have been one season [TS]

00:52:13   long but John and and and dan have you [TS]

00:52:17   seen that one [TS]

00:52:18   yeah we can't spoil it for you i have i [TS]

00:52:20   heartily endorse homeland yeah I [TS]

00:52:22   definitely watch it even though in the [TS]

00:52:24   seconds it's got whatever second season [TS]

00:52:26   disease is talking or itís yeah it's [TS]

00:52:28   got many of the problems that shows have [TS]

00:52:30   in their second season partially due to [TS]

00:52:32   how the first season ended with parsley [TS]

00:52:34   just do [TS]

00:52:35   I don't like syphilis or some other kind [TS]

00:52:37   of things going to the writers around [TS]

00:52:38   you know some sort of wasting disease [TS]

00:52:41   Wow regenerative right but but it's [TS]

00:52:43   still like it's hardly even for you this [TS]

00:52:46   number this is an example of like we're [TS]

00:52:47   the good things about Homeland are so [TS]

00:52:49   good that you're willing to like like [TS]

00:52:51   this there are bad things you'll see [TS]

00:52:52   what they are if you stick with the show [TS]

00:52:53   but like season 1 season almost nothing [TS]

00:52:55   in it that was bad really just great [TS]

00:52:57   thumbs up right and season two still [TS]

00:53:00   great acting still great writing still [TS]

00:53:02   some good ideas but then like the bad [TS]

00:53:04   dial start cranking up a little bit more [TS]

00:53:06   like but wait a second is that this kind [TS]

00:53:08   of show [TS]

00:53:09   no but it's good and these people i like [TS]

00:53:10   that like really really i think Claire [TS]

00:53:12   Danes win the Emmy yeah yeah I mean she [TS]

00:53:15   was there because like to its it's so [TS]

00:53:17   you have to watch it's a really good [TS]

00:53:18   show [TS]

00:53:19   alright i really enjoyed it I'm a few [TS]

00:53:21   episodes back right now but I you know [TS]

00:53:23   so maybe I haven't run into as much of [TS]

00:53:25   the I mean it's tough because John's [TS]

00:53:27   right like that the situation they leave [TS]

00:53:28   at the end of the first season is like [TS]

00:53:30   all right where do you go from here and [TS]

00:53:33   it is based i believe on a Israeli [TS]

00:53:35   series and so there is always trouble [TS]

00:53:37   when you have an adaptation of like well [TS]

00:53:40   when you depart from the source material [TS]

00:53:41   and you know can you sustain things you [TS]

00:53:44   know if you outlast the source material [TS]

00:53:46   especially but there's some really [TS]

00:53:49   interesting stuff and it really you know [TS]

00:53:50   it's it is really compelling at least [TS]

00:53:53   definitely in the first season the [TS]

00:53:54   second season I think I ended the the [TS]

00:53:56   last episode of the second season ends [TS]

00:53:58   with sort of a crap moment i did its [TS]

00:54:01   second season does have some good [TS]

00:54:02   moments kind of like you watch Friday [TS]

00:54:04   Night Lights right Jason oh yeah I mean [TS]

00:54:06   you see you know when the writers one [TS]

00:54:07   strike and they did that crazy thing [TS]

00:54:08   with assessments like the only entry in [TS]

00:54:10   the yeah right papist oh it's not that [TS]

00:54:14   bad it's not a total cliff-like was [TS]

00:54:16   still good parts to it but I you know I [TS]

00:54:18   don't know I maybe they didn't want to [TS]

00:54:20   give up their caste or I don't know like [TS]

00:54:22   it you will see but it's definitely [TS]

00:54:24   worth watching this is totally an [TS]

00:54:26   example of where the good things are are [TS]

00:54:27   just so really good that I'm willing to [TS]

00:54:29   forgive a lot of badness and missteps [TS]

00:54:31   and i will definitely stick with this i [TS]

00:54:33   really look forward to homeland every [TS]

00:54:34   weekend we Friday Night Lights fans [TS]

00:54:36   don't like to talk about the second [TS]

00:54:38   season and yeah i think the producers [TS]

00:54:39   did too because in the third season that [TS]

00:54:42   they literally have things happen that [TS]

00:54:43   that could not possibly have happened if [TS]

00:54:46   the second season it existed and they're [TS]

00:54:47   like just metin [TS]

00:54:49   ya know like buddy Garrity did you adopt [TS]

00:54:52   like a big kid the Santiago when I [TS]

00:54:55   haven't met your house and we have a [TS]

00:54:57   football team known to do that didn't [TS]

00:54:59   happen [TS]

00:55:00   Landry was never accused of a crime [TS]

00:55:04   nothing never had a hope that these [TS]

00:55:06   things happen in Texas all the time so [TS]

00:55:08   yeah it's just everybody [TS]

00:55:10   yeah but we should do it we should do an [TS]

00:55:13   episode about friday night lights [TS]

00:55:14   sometime [TS]

00:55:15   oh I'd have to watch it i love that show [TS]

00:55:18   good show i'm watching Jason you gotta [TS]

00:55:20   hurry up and watch homeland before [TS]

00:55:21   people are like 400 km managed not to [TS]

00:55:23   but just get through season wanted to [TS]

00:55:24   really fast [TS]

00:55:25   that's another one that i saved or I [TS]

00:55:26   should have saved from my wife it I [TS]

00:55:28   tried to convince her to watch it she [TS]

00:55:29   wouldn't do it then once i started [TS]

00:55:30   watching season 2i all the episodes i [TS]

00:55:33   watch secretly without her so she [TS]

00:55:34   wouldn't know like even if you saw a [TS]

00:55:36   character on the screen you're like well [TS]

00:55:37   I see that character in season two I [TS]

00:55:39   know they don't die and I don't think I [TS]

00:55:41   kept it totally you know well in the [TS]

00:55:44   dark and i think it worked out well so [TS]

00:55:46   hurry open season one before you know [TS]

00:55:48   what happens is available somewhere [TS]

00:55:51   maybe it's available someone I showtimes [TS]

00:55:54   readily available on iTunes probably [TS]

00:55:56   yeah my wife bought it on itunes despite [TS]

00:55:58   the fact that she just discovered today [TS]

00:55:59   we can talk here free we should could [TS]

00:56:01   watch it for free on the show time you [TS]

00:56:03   know ASAP [TS]

00:56:05   yeah okay go ahead and I was gonna say [TS]

00:56:08   along those lines I'm i started watching [TS]

00:56:09   this hockey spy shown us a couple years [TS]

00:56:13   ago covert affairs and i watch it [TS]

00:56:16   because i'm a sucker for spy shows love [TS]

00:56:17   spy stuff and the first two seasons were [TS]

00:56:19   like okay it was pretty much your [TS]

00:56:21   standard us a fair the third season has [TS]

00:56:23   been surprisingly really good like just [TS]

00:56:25   much more i don't know if the writers [TS]

00:56:28   ate their Wheaties or whatever but like [TS]

00:56:29   they started really getting into some [TS]

00:56:31   interesting stuff and having more of a [TS]

00:56:32   recurring plot and I thought they did a [TS]

00:56:34   much better job with the third season to [TS]

00:56:36   date and you know I say in some ways it [TS]

00:56:39   kind of feels like a homeland light [TS]

00:56:40   because although it predates homeland or [TS]

00:56:44   an alias light almost except not as [TS]

00:56:46   crazy as a least like it's really the [TS]

00:56:48   thing I liked about it from the [TS]

00:56:49   beginning is that their espionage [TS]

00:56:52   portrayal stuff is far more focused on [TS]

00:56:55   people and far less focused on gadgetry [TS]

00:56:57   there's almost none of the like you know [TS]

00:57:00   like crazy technology [TS]

00:57:02   like that you see on shows you're like [TS]

00:57:04   yeah it's not actually real they focus [TS]

00:57:06   on much more like the actual white being [TS]

00:57:08   a person spy part of it and that to me [TS]

00:57:10   was really interesting because it does [TS]

00:57:12   have sort of throwbacks to more classic [TS]

00:57:14   espionage work so i throw that out there [TS]

00:57:16   is as a show that has i started watching [TS]

00:57:18   just because I was like entertained week [TS]

00:57:20   for me but I thought the third season [TS]

00:57:21   has been really really good ok anything [TS]

00:57:25   else we should we should talk about that [TS]

00:57:27   you guys are watching I continue to [TS]

00:57:30   watch dexter although wow yeah it did I [TS]

00:57:34   stop when jimmy smits was on well [TS]

00:57:36   Jimmy's the tree split season was not [TS]

00:57:38   very good especially since it came right [TS]

00:57:41   after order to come before the john [TS]

00:57:43   lithgow season before [TS]

00:57:45   oh you should watch skipper Jimmy Smits [TS]

00:57:48   and go to John let's go go to season for [TS]

00:57:50   john lithgow it is amazing [TS]

00:57:53   a what he's a great actor but he is [TS]

00:57:55   incredibly creepy as a serial killer [TS]

00:57:59   alright so you should just watch watch [TS]

00:58:00   that shit watch that season I won't [TS]

00:58:02   spoil it for you but it is well worth [TS]

00:58:04   what if you like dexter i do I like the [TS]

00:58:07   first two seasons [TS]

00:58:08   yeah Susan force is the best season of [TS]

00:58:11   them all [TS]

00:58:11   alright I don't know about that but oh [TS]

00:58:14   it's true i'm still saying spoiler-free [TS]

00:58:16   because I may come back to it I bailed [TS]

00:58:18   like a couple episodes in 25 i may [TS]

00:58:21   return to it that I think I just burned [TS]

00:58:23   out on it just because of the sameness [TS]

00:58:24   and I and that i agree that their [TS]

00:58:26   overall Arkin dexter is good like [TS]

00:58:28   they're going kind of somewhere there's [TS]

00:58:31   a through-line and I appreciate that but [TS]

00:58:34   it's just at a certain point like you [TS]

00:58:36   saw the diversity seasons already [TS]

00:58:37   certainly what it's like [TS]

00:58:38   how's dexter gonna get out of this time [TS]

00:58:40   and as always how much that I can take [TS]

00:58:41   you know you haven't there's a [TS]

00:58:44   interesting I mean she season 7 [TS]

00:58:47   introduces a new wrinkle at that well I [TS]

00:58:51   guess the end of season 6 into season 7 [TS]

00:58:53   introduces a something that I don't want [TS]

00:58:56   to ruin friday well if you have it [TS]

00:58:57   watching it so that makes me I may [TS]

00:58:59   return to it a little more interesting [TS]

00:59:01   but i watch the second season i think [TS]

00:59:05   actually while it was airing and that [TS]

00:59:07   was great because I literally knew [TS]

00:59:09   nothing about whether they were gonna [TS]

00:59:11   come back and I don't think they'd [TS]

00:59:13   announce whether it had been renewed or [TS]

00:59:14   not and [TS]

00:59:15   great because the second season plays [TS]

00:59:17   out really like they could just capture [TS]

00:59:20   or kill Dexter and that's the end of the [TS]

00:59:22   show and I thought that would actually [TS]

00:59:24   be accepted a great and have him can be [TS]

00:59:26   found out and that's the end he goes to [TS]

00:59:29   jail and that's the end of the show [TS]

00:59:30   goodbye and that's not what happens [TS]

00:59:32   instead many other horrific things [TS]

00:59:34   happen and he's and he's escapes [TS]

00:59:36   scot-free but was really great [TS]

00:59:39   I those first two seasons people hear [TS]

00:59:41   about a show about a serial killer and [TS]

00:59:42   they get all kind of horrified about it [TS]

00:59:44   but those first two seasons of dexter [TS]

00:59:45   that I saw were spectacular and then [TS]

00:59:48   Jimmy Smits was like oh my brother died [TS]

00:59:50   and you were there you might have no no [TS]

00:59:53   you might not have thought I was a [TS]

00:59:54   purchase that's a good but I and I think [TS]

00:59:57   I like dexter because you know [TS]

00:59:57   I like dexter because you know [TS]

01:00:00   he you know he's a bad guy right but he [TS]

01:00:02   did but you feel for him and you're like [TS]

01:00:04   wait for rooting for him to like no we [TS]

01:00:06   don't want him to get caught but then [TS]

01:00:07   he's a psychopath who is killing people [TS]

01:00:09   and you're like well maybe I should be [TS]

01:00:11   resting right right well that that's the [TS]

01:00:15   beauty of that show is that you're like [TS]

01:00:16   oh hello Dexter doesn't get cut wait a [TS]

01:00:18   second is good with people right [TS]

01:00:21   I'd I should not be rooting for him he [TS]

01:00:23   had killed a lot of people but he's he [TS]

01:00:25   kills bad people he does mostly okay [TS]

01:00:28   mostly yes if you know this was the [TS]

01:00:31   seventies they were we would have [TS]

01:00:32   already had a crossover between dexter [TS]

01:00:34   and breaking bad like another made for [TS]

01:00:37   each other they were bump into each [TS]

01:00:39   other dexter and Walter White will be [TS]

01:00:41   like yeah that would have already [TS]

01:00:42   happened [TS]

01:00:43   that's true because they would have both [TS]

01:00:45   been on CBS or something [TS]

01:00:47   yeah one else duh dad walking dead [TS]

01:00:49   walking dead we should talk about [TS]

01:00:50   walking dead easy tonight or Downton [TS]

01:00:52   Abbey yeah just worried since they're [TS]

01:00:55   basically the same same feeling better [TS]

01:00:57   and there are a lot of similarities [TS]

01:00:58   wiser as a reader of the comics and [TS]

01:01:00   Walking Dead I was really happy to see [TS]

01:01:01   that they got to the prison this year [TS]

01:01:02   because that was a great arc in the [TS]

01:01:04   comic and I'm not going to spoil the [TS]

01:01:05   comment other than to say the comic had [TS]

01:01:07   mark where they went to the prison and [TS]

01:01:08   they've basically followed that and [TS]

01:01:10   there's a lot of different kind of [TS]

01:01:11   stories to tell and there's the there's [TS]

01:01:15   the there's a pretty prison setting and [TS]

01:01:17   then there's the town setting with the [TS]

01:01:18   with a david Morrissey and you know I [TS]

01:01:22   think I i I've feel like there's much [TS]

01:01:24   more going on in the walking get this [TS]

01:01:26   season than last season which was [TS]

01:01:27   overstuffed and really was like six [TS]

01:01:30   episodes worth in 13 [TS]

01:01:33   that's right well they had a good that [TS]

01:01:35   the they concentrated on a couple [TS]

01:01:38   characters and events in the past [TS]

01:01:39   seasons and this one seems more like [TS]

01:01:41   more fair like was the tension between [TS]

01:01:43   was named shane and and Rick like that [TS]

01:01:47   was a nice slow build and they kind of [TS]

01:01:48   had a whole season to work it out with [TS]

01:01:50   Lori in the middle and that was [TS]

01:01:52   satisfying but like small and then add [TS]

01:01:54   the big finale and now it seems like [TS]

01:01:56   it's it's a bigger multi-character yeah [TS]

01:01:59   arc and then like and and it's different [TS]

01:02:02   it's satisfying in a different way that [TS]

01:02:04   the thing about walking dead is it like [TS]

01:02:06   if you can't keep me engaged in the [TS]

01:02:08   personal stories I start thinking about [TS]

01:02:09   how bad these people are about surviving [TS]

01:02:11   with zombies around [TS]

01:02:12   right right I start thinking about their [TS]

01:02:14   competence and like what their options [TS]

01:02:16   actually weren't I shouldn't be doing [TS]

01:02:17   that I should be just tirely [TS]

01:02:19   concentrating on whatever the personal [TS]

01:02:20   stories you want to tell right now right [TS]

01:02:22   now I think they've done a yeah i think [TS]

01:02:25   they've done a good job of that this you [TS]

01:02:26   left last season it really dragged and [TS]

01:02:28   you started to think you had time to [TS]

01:02:30   muse about all the ways well I think [TS]

01:02:32   it's the opposite i was caught up with [TS]

01:02:33   her last 1i want to see how like I like [TS]

01:02:36   seeing Lori playing the two of them back [TS]

01:02:38   and forth and not knowing how it's going [TS]

01:02:39   to go because it went out so much every [TS]

01:02:41   time you thought it was gonna come to [TS]

01:02:42   head and just a December and she changed [TS]

01:02:44   her mind again did things went on I [TS]

01:02:47   thought that works where is this season [TS]

01:02:48   I its spread more evenly it's more [TS]

01:02:52   egalitarian in terms of screen time and [TS]

01:02:54   stuff but like I forgot come on guys by [TS]

01:02:57   now [TS]

01:02:57   like do we know if you guys know how to [TS]

01:02:59   survive a zombie apocalypse because [TS]

01:03:00   you're really bad at it like yeah you [TS]

01:03:02   know they're there are defensible [TS]

01:03:03   positions there are correct moves there [TS]

01:03:05   are better things for you to be doing [TS]

01:03:06   their risks that you should not be taken [TS]

01:03:08   by now I'd like well we just lost a [TS]

01:03:10   third of our people again you know what [TS]

01:03:11   I do you know I lost 34 people because [TS]

01:03:13   you're dumb [TS]

01:03:14   that's why we've we've established that [TS]

01:03:16   John is the person you want to be around [TS]

01:03:17   in the case of the Apocalypse because [TS]

01:03:19   he's got a plan i can i can direct you [TS]

01:03:22   from my orbiting headquarters and what's [TS]

01:03:23   the right thing to do is executing them [TS]

01:03:25   myself i have not as much faith [TS]

01:03:27   alright i'll tell you what to do that's [TS]

01:03:30   right from your your little uh it's like [TS]

01:03:32   a James Bond plane you've got a little [TS]

01:03:34   capsule but breaks off the front of the [TS]

01:03:36   plane and shoots you away i'm picturing [TS]

01:03:39   more like the the always in the air 747 [TS]

01:03:42   from contact with your you're floating [TS]

01:03:45   in the international space station just [TS]

01:03:47   slow down there and then never lie [TS]

01:03:49   Neverland I just continued to fly [TS]

01:03:51   yeah that's good the plan yeah yeah well [TS]

01:03:57   I've been like I'm walking dead and and [TS]

01:03:58   for me this year has been better the [TS]

01:04:00   last year I let a lot of episodes queue [TS]

01:04:03   up because I just was dragging for me [TS]

01:04:05   and this year that's not the case [TS]

01:04:07   yeah i think this season is better than [TS]

01:04:09   last season and it is difficult in the [TS]

01:04:12   technology household because sunday [TS]

01:04:13   night has both walking dead and dexter [TS]

01:04:16   and so I watch them both and my wife [TS]

01:04:19   cannot watch either of them because she [TS]

01:04:22   doesn't like a scary in there too scary [TS]

01:04:24   and suspenseful she doesn't [TS]

01:04:25   like they build up the tension you can [TS]

01:04:27   handle it so she leaves room but she [TS]

01:04:29   wants to know what's going on so I have [TS]

01:04:32   to explain everything is about sighs [TS]

01:04:35   exactly you're a rehab now the zombies [TS]

01:04:37   biting his arm [TS]

01:04:38   yes I'm glad ya hoo what just happened [TS]

01:04:41   something sounds like it happened to [TS]

01:04:42   dexter kill someone like yeah it's just [TS]

01:04:43   concerned about this Dark Passenger [TS]

01:04:45   again honey it's true [TS]

01:04:47   cariad well she can handle dexter a [TS]

01:04:50   little more than the walking dead once [TS]

01:04:53   he starts killing people she leaves the [TS]

01:04:54   walking dead is really is really nothing [TS]

01:04:56   to me to go or like an ally I now I [TS]

01:04:59   sometimes have to remind myself that [TS]

01:05:00   people will find the walking dead gory [TS]

01:05:02   because yes it does not faze me anymore [TS]

01:05:06   the court in particular like people [TS]

01:05:08   being dyed like oh I didn't want that [TS]

01:05:09   person that to be eaten but the actual [TS]

01:05:12   gore and the process of eating them like [TS]

01:05:13   it's happened so much now that I feel [TS]

01:05:15   like I'm nothing to it to the same [TS]

01:05:16   degree that the people in the show are [TS]

01:05:18   so maybe that's maybe that works with [TS]

01:05:19   the zombification make your skull really [TS]

01:05:23   the bones is currently in it does [TS]

01:05:25   apparently because you know a baseball [TS]

01:05:28   bat really shouldn't cave in somebody's [TS]

01:05:30   brains and well ya know this out there [TS]

01:05:32   really are not interested in eating [TS]

01:05:35   calcium they don't get enough calcium so [TS]

01:05:37   that I think that's the main problem [TS]

01:05:39   it's just you know that's why let's try [TS]

01:05:40   the walking dead has to continue to have [TS]

01:05:41   great performances because if I think [TS]

01:05:43   per second about how zombies working the [TS]

01:05:45   show i'll just go crazy oh no I getting [TS]

01:05:47   sense like the second episode they they [TS]

01:05:49   all get like dressed up in plastic and [TS]

01:05:51   are rinsing themselves off and all that [TS]

01:05:53   in case the little bit of zombie stuff [TS]

01:05:54   gets in them that ship is later episodes [TS]

01:05:57   there like covered in zombie goo with [TS]

01:06:00   their mouths are and where they're going [TS]

01:06:02   to get bitten [TS]

01:06:03   that's it like you can be you can be [TS]

01:06:05   inhaling that their blood and got to [TS]

01:06:07   spring from their head into your mouth [TS]

01:06:09   yeah you're fine but if that but if they [TS]

01:06:10   touch you with their teeth out well now [TS]

01:06:12   we have to shoot you in the head because [TS]

01:06:13   you're going to be a zombie-like wipe [TS]

01:06:14   overall in fact that already had a [TS]

01:06:15   record that's like a sense this business [TS]

01:06:19   unlike is it's like you ever seen like [TS]

01:06:20   little little kids like playing a game [TS]

01:06:22   where so long as they all agree that the [TS]

01:06:24   rules have been like met [TS]

01:06:26   it's ok it's like hey wait a minute [TS]

01:06:28   you're supposed to be dead [TS]

01:06:29   no no because I'm touching somebody [TS]

01:06:31   who's touching something who's touching [TS]

01:06:33   the goal [TS]

01:06:34   okay i'm sorry your life then so it's [TS]

01:06:36   like so imagine imagine instead that [TS]

01:06:38   we're not really seeing [TS]

01:06:39   zombies we're seeing like a bunch of [TS]

01:06:41   like five and six-year-olds playing a [TS]

01:06:43   zombie attack game and this is like a [TS]

01:06:45   script that was generated by that game [TS]

01:06:47   you're not infected by the zombie unless [TS]

01:06:49   you think you've been infected you [TS]

01:06:51   didn't you didn't you didn't touch me [TS]

01:06:53   with your teeth which means I'm not [TS]

01:06:54   infected [TS]

01:06:55   oh I'm sorry did we break up yeah it's a [TS]

01:06:57   rule ok what it was I was I was touching [TS]

01:07:00   the sewer grade which means that I'm a [TS]

01:07:02   mutant from zombie attacks sometimes [TS]

01:07:04   yeah everything as much blood as you [TS]

01:07:05   like that's not how you get it right [TS]

01:07:07   there already infected like I like [TS]

01:07:09   bananas as the turn of a plot was like [TS]

01:07:11   okay in retrospect now that makes sense [TS]

01:07:13   why these people being so careless [TS]

01:07:15   they're not trying to dominicks they [TS]

01:07:16   were already infected but then why are [TS]

01:07:18   they still scared of being infected it [TS]

01:07:19   is a conundrum [TS]

01:07:21   yes it is it's a challenge I just trying [TS]

01:07:23   to think about it and just enjoy [TS]

01:07:25   it's almost as if they're making up this [TS]

01:07:27   whole story haha it's not like the real [TS]

01:07:30   zombie apocalypse would be exactly well [TS]

01:07:33   like we've already got zombie I'm cells [TS]

01:07:35   make no sense they're not thats washing [TS]

01:07:36   machines that it's true I'm anybody in [TS]

01:07:39   the trailers for a world war z [TS]

01:07:40   apparently they're incredibly fast [TS]

01:07:42   yes and yeah well you know and didn't [TS]

01:07:45   read the book did you guys like the [TS]

01:07:50   books with changes into a book show [TS]

01:07:51   thing and we get thumbs up or thumbs [TS]

01:07:53   down the book i like i like it's like [TS]

01:07:55   it's not great literature everyday the [TS]

01:07:57   whole premise of it is that it's like an [TS]

01:07:58   oral history of the zombie wars so it's [TS]

01:08:01   like interviews with its it's basically [TS]

01:08:04   a nonfiction book is the premise it's [TS]

01:08:06   interviews with people who witnessed the [TS]

01:08:08   zombie wars and I enjoyed it [TS]

01:08:10   oh yeah it's a it's a you know it's not [TS]

01:08:12   like it's not like regular kind of novel [TS]

01:08:15   yeah it's like I better than the movie [TS]

01:08:17   aah yeah i can imagine and and the book [TS]

01:08:20   also has a pivotal battle that happens [TS]

01:08:23   in yonkers Yonkers not this time [TS]

01:08:25   I something happening yeah yeah it's mel [TS]

01:08:28   brooks's kid exactly how could you not [TS]

01:08:30   like it wrote the book at end and yet [TS]

01:08:34   when I look at the movie trailer for [TS]

01:08:35   that I think I think it's like they took [TS]

01:08:38   a paragraph about the battle liang cos [TS]

01:08:40   ya and had made a movie of that and put [TS]

01:08:43   the rest of the book and put his eye on [TS]

01:08:45   the thread pattern and out of a set of [TS]

01:08:49   what I will smith yeah [TS]

01:08:51   yep we talk about boardwalk empire i [TS]

01:08:55   watch it anyway as I could go ahead me [TS]

01:08:58   no buts [TS]

01:09:00   I had picked up like midway through [TS]

01:09:02   season 1i think it's the only ongoing [TS]

01:09:05   drama that i'm actually watching this [TS]

01:09:07   this this show has reminded me how [TS]

01:09:09   little drama actually watch and perhaps [TS]

01:09:11   I should track that but season this is a [TS]

01:09:14   spoiler spoiler free but season three [TS]

01:09:17   has not been as satisfying to me is the [TS]

01:09:19   previous two because it's it's still a [TS]

01:09:22   great series for like kind of reasons [TS]

01:09:24   that i was talking about earlier where [TS]

01:09:25   it's not about you know it the the [TS]

01:09:29   overall this is all about atlantic city [TS]

01:09:31   and 19 in the early nineteen twenties [TS]

01:09:33   and the effects of prohibition is having [TS]

01:09:36   among a group a a small but diverse [TS]

01:09:39   group of people central among them [TS]

01:09:41   stating steve buscemi as the treasure [TS]

01:09:43   the treasure of the political of the [TS]

01:09:45   political party and the influence that [TS]

01:09:47   he that he said that he sends out the [TS]

01:09:50   what really hooked me was the [TS]

01:09:52   intelligence and all the manipulation [TS]

01:09:54   that that guy was doing to succeed in [TS]

01:09:57   this environment and prosper in this [TS]

01:09:58   environment and this is the year in [TS]

01:10:01   which this this is the season in which [TS]

01:10:02   things heat up considerably [TS]

01:10:04   we're on one level it's no longer a [TS]

01:10:08   situation in which you can succeed by [TS]

01:10:10   making lots of subtle political [TS]

01:10:13   maneuvers you have to start you know [TS]

01:10:15   getting your hands on 3000 Thompson [TS]

01:10:17   submachine guns and send them to the [TS]

01:10:19   right people in order to project power [TS]

01:10:21   but a lot of it is Zola it's not seeing [TS]

01:10:24   those same like subtle little terns that [TS]

01:10:26   really got me hooked into the series a [TS]

01:10:28   couple years ago and I'd it has a lot of [TS]

01:10:31   really great moments it's really great [TS]

01:10:32   to see this gyp Rosetti character who is [TS]

01:10:36   Justin at [TS]

01:10:37   complete counterpoint to most of the [TS]

01:10:39   somewhat urbane and sophisticated [TS]

01:10:41   gangsters we've seen before and this guy [TS]

01:10:43   is an absolute mad dog and it's fun that [TS]

01:10:46   again no spoilers but the left when the [TS]

01:10:48   last shots of this week's episode of gyp [TS]

01:10:51   Rosetti essentially looking out upon [TS]

01:10:53   what he's achieved in the most [TS]

01:10:55   hysterically funny manner possible and [TS]

01:10:57   yet being absolutely terrifying because [TS]

01:10:59   the way that he does this underscores [TS]

01:11:02   the fact that no this guy is insane he [TS]

01:11:04   would he would shoot he would shoot you [TS]

01:11:06   by putting a gun against his own head [TS]

01:11:08   because so that you couldn't see the [TS]

01:11:10   muzzle of it from from from where you're [TS]

01:11:11   staring standing right now but there's [TS]

01:11:13   something about this too much like [TS]

01:11:15   action consequence action consequence [TS]

01:11:17   action consequence there isn't a whole [TS]

01:11:19   lot of that setup where you're wondering [TS]

01:11:21   how we're where's the threat going to be [TS]

01:11:23   coming from next how is Nucky how is [TS]

01:11:25   this character going to deal with it the [TS]

01:11:27   next time so I'm still I'm still [TS]

01:11:29   definitely with it but I'm hoping that [TS]

01:11:31   there's gonna be a a bigger payoff than [TS]

01:11:34   what I've been seeing so far [TS]

01:11:35   yeah they have a problem where they paid [TS]

01:11:37   off a out one of the major plot lines at [TS]

01:11:39   the end of the last season and they were [TS]

01:11:41   faced with how to do a new beginning and [TS]

01:11:43   I do like the fact that in this season [TS]

01:11:46   Nucky's like personal issues that he's [TS]

01:11:49   dead like his his struggles like he has [TS]

01:11:51   personal issues but he mostly masters [TS]

01:11:52   them and now now they're like getting [TS]

01:11:55   the better of them a little bit and I [TS]

01:11:57   like seeing that downfall and I do like [TS]

01:11:59   how they ended in the very last time if [TS]

01:12:00   you're caught up with the end yeah you [TS]

01:12:02   did you saw that one right away like [TS]

01:12:03   where you know where things look like [TS]

01:12:05   they're really going down for Nucky but [TS]

01:12:07   we know because we had seen that episode [TS]

01:12:08   that actually the things that he does [TS]

01:12:11   best are still there to save him he's [TS]

01:12:13   not totally out to dry right so there is [TS]

01:12:16   a possibility for some Redemption but i [TS]

01:12:17   think this season has taught me that i [TS]

01:12:19   really need more organized crime drama [TS]

01:12:21   smart organized crime drama in my life [TS]

01:12:23   like I really like The Sopranos and as [TS]

01:12:25   kind of like you said you know action [TS]

01:12:26   consequence kind of you know every [TS]

01:12:29   episode something bad happens in this [TS]

01:12:31   and that is kinda but i still get caught [TS]

01:12:33   up in the I like mob stuff I like [TS]

01:12:35   organized crime stuff and there's some [TS]

01:12:37   colorful characters i like the New York [TS]

01:12:39   room almost wish they would switch to [TS]

01:12:41   new york for a while because i want to [TS]

01:12:42   see what happens with the who are those [TS]

01:12:45   two lucky luciano and his partner and [TS]

01:12:49   that hole [TS]

01:12:50   thing and that the whole new york [TS]

01:12:54   scenario i find fascinating and nikki is [TS]

01:12:55   just kind of sad at this point in and I [TS]

01:12:57   want to see what's your name ? or [TS]

01:12:59   whatever her name is the the wife right [TS]

01:13:03   she that plot line seems to be fading [TS]

01:13:05   and going off into the sunset for me and [TS]

01:13:07   it's fine it's served its purpose but it [TS]

01:13:09   seems like the show is shifting but they [TS]

01:13:10   don't want to shift they want to sell [TS]

01:13:11   the concentrate on knocking so I don't [TS]

01:13:13   know that it [TS]

01:13:15   anyone who ask me should i watch [TS]

01:13:16   boardwalk empire tell them it starts [TS]

01:13:17   really slow and it's uneven but I i [TS]

01:13:20   still keep watching it so yeah I mean it [TS]

01:13:23   seems that was another thing again we [TS]

01:13:25   can get into spoilers but it's that [TS]

01:13:28   Nucky's Nucky's wife is now like it's [TS]

01:13:32   almost as if she's got her own little [TS]

01:13:34   mini series Angeles got a spin-off yeah [TS]

01:13:37   i mean before they get at least the [TS]

01:13:39   series started off so strongly one of [TS]

01:13:41   the smart things they did was they are [TS]

01:13:43   not going to start off season 3 a month [TS]

01:13:45   after the events of the end of season [TS]

01:13:47   two going to let about a year-and-a-half [TS]

01:13:49   pass so that certain people who are in [TS]

01:13:52   jail and out of jail they can put a lot [TS]

01:13:54   of pieces further on down the game board [TS]

01:13:57   without having to really look gloriously [TS]

01:13:59   go step by step by step to get people in [TS]

01:14:02   this position but also the the one thing [TS]

01:14:05   i really do like this the thing that [TS]

01:14:06   really gets me to stay invested and [TS]

01:14:11   maintain a certain amount of faith in [TS]

01:14:12   that you could say that what you're [TS]

01:14:15   seeing is the of yoga is that what we're [TS]

01:14:18   seeing it [TS]

01:14:19   Nucky's transformation is that the [TS]

01:14:21   effects of the end of season two really [TS]

01:14:24   have stuck with them in ways that he [TS]

01:14:26   never thought would stuck with stick [TS]

01:14:27   with them easy still processing things [TS]

01:14:30   just like so many of the it seems like [TS]

01:14:32   so many of the characters that are in [TS]

01:14:33   the show now our war veterans and maybe [TS]

01:14:36   by the time we get to the end of the [TS]

01:14:37   series is all going to be about [TS]

01:14:39   post-traumatic stress from [TS]

01:14:40   post-traumatic stress disorder and how [TS]

01:14:42   we just sort of gets into your head and [TS]

01:14:44   influences everything that you do i [TS]

01:14:46   think in the last episode hurricane [TS]

01:14:47   comes and blows off the boardwalk and [TS]

01:14:50   that's all it all CG anyway care why not [TS]

01:14:54   day I understood the words used in that [TS]

01:14:59   I just don't understand anything about [TS]

01:15:01   the show but I i haven't seen the shadow [TS]

01:15:03   of a cheapskate 90 pay for premium cable [TS]

01:15:05   and this is an example where like the [TS]

01:15:08   writing is not so much like snappy and [TS]

01:15:10   witty but like at the lines are written [TS]

01:15:12   to reveal insight into characters and [TS]

01:15:15   their written with the expect [TS]

01:15:16   expectations the viewers or intelligence [TS]

01:15:18   and adults and that goes a long way to [TS]

01:15:21   carry the series like very rarely and [TS]

01:15:24   the show you see people doing things [TS]

01:15:25   that seems stupid or silly or compressed [TS]

01:15:28   air whatever they may do things that you [TS]

01:15:31   don't like her that you find upsetting [TS]

01:15:32   or that you know that don't take the [TS]

01:15:35   story the way you wanted but it always [TS]

01:15:36   seems like adults again with damaged [TS]

01:15:39   adults increasingly damaged adults [TS]

01:15:41   modeling their way through every it it's [TS]

01:15:45   kind of a downer and I think about it I [TS]

01:15:46   think about the bonds that the website [TS]

01:15:48   was kind of a Down absolutely we had [TS]

01:15:51   Andy get better we're talking about [TS]

01:15:52   earlier where yet [TS]

01:15:53   Nucky Thompson is not a nice person and [TS]

01:15:56   yet somehow you want him to come through [TS]

01:15:58   all of this [TS]

01:15:59   okay yeah despite despite all these [TS]

01:16:01   awful awful awful things and [TS]

01:16:03   reprehensible things he's done like Al [TS]

01:16:05   Capone Al Capone is very sympathetic the [TS]

01:16:07   season you're like wait a second how [TS]

01:16:09   Capone right and let's see this is all [TS]

01:16:12   so weird because it's it's based it is [TS]

01:16:15   based on actual events it's been a lot [TS]

01:16:17   of these characters are real characters [TS]

01:16:19   and interviews with the producers have [TS]

01:16:21   said that [TS]

01:16:22   yeah this is Al Capone but essentially [TS]

01:16:24   at the moment where it we introduce them [TS]

01:16:26   we're free to diverge him from away from [TS]

01:16:29   like what his actual history was at the [TS]

01:16:31   same time like all these new york [TS]

01:16:33   mobsters you kind of have to remind [TS]

01:16:35   yourself please don't look please don't [TS]

01:16:37   go to Wikipedia to find out what [TS]

01:16:38   happened to him after 1923 because it [TS]

01:16:41   could be that this is exactly what [TS]

01:16:42   happens is that this person after 9023 [TS]

01:16:44   you can't you can't do that that's the [TS]

01:16:46   brilliance of the game of thrones is [TS]

01:16:49   that it's not actually historical so you [TS]

01:16:50   can look up on Wikipedia while accepting [TS]

01:16:52   all of it already happened because the [TS]

01:16:54   books are in this is what is your you [TS]

01:16:57   can look it up about the books head and [TS]

01:16:59   supernatural comin supernatural doing [TS]

01:17:01   well I thought this season and just [TS]

01:17:03   talking to myself now I yea I think this [TS]

01:17:05   season is [TS]

01:17:06   doing better than last season was really [TS]

01:17:08   rough [TS]

01:17:09   no man you have to tell me I you know [TS]

01:17:13   was more regular natural i'm watching [TS]

01:17:17   the i'm watching the first season now [TS]

01:17:18   the the first season that has it has its [TS]

01:17:21   ups and downs but towards the end of [TS]

01:17:22   that when it starts getting more into [TS]

01:17:24   the mythology the show you did you know [TS]

01:17:26   there's a guy who killed more girls in [TS]

01:17:27   that show i only heard rumors or I [TS]

01:17:31   thought this season has been good [TS]

01:17:33   mark sheppard is back because always [TS]

01:17:35   present because he's a great villain [TS]

01:17:36   just saw him as a lie in a clip as [TS]

01:17:40   badger in firefly because they did the [TS]

01:17:42   firefly reunion on the science channel [TS]

01:17:43   that was on this weekend the 10th [TS]

01:17:46   anniversary which was fun how good times [TS]

01:17:49   flyin channel yeah I know science [TS]

01:17:52   channel science fiction channel [TS]

01:17:55   apparently now too but that was kind of [TS]

01:17:58   fun to relive all the firefly stuff it's [TS]

01:18:01   hard to believe it's been 10 years since [TS]

01:18:02   firefly was on the self-congratulatory [TS]

01:18:06   and then yes with modeling but yes well [TS]

01:18:09   that's was who's watching it was a good [TS]

01:18:11   show [TS]

01:18:12   yeah I mean who's watching it's that I [TS]

01:18:15   wasn't looking for a hard-hitting [TS]

01:18:16   documentary about making that money was [TS]

01:18:17   showing if they were showing the clips [TS]

01:18:19   from comic-con and they showed me that [TS]

01:18:21   very small snippets of that showed some [TS]

01:18:23   questions from the audience and I have [TS]

01:18:24   to think one of the questions lost a bid [TS]

01:18:26   here you all are [TS]

01:18:28   why is it that you can get your acts [TS]

01:18:29   together and can make sure about I don't [TS]

01:18:32   know spaceships with this cast with all [TS]

01:18:34   these people why don't you just like you [TS]

01:18:36   know I i know it's probably stupid [TS]

01:18:37   financial and writes reasons and he's [TS]

01:18:39   busy doing the Avengers involved but I [TS]

01:18:41   was gonna ask that question make sure [TS]

01:18:42   say this i just wait no horse Olivia you [TS]

01:18:46   know I saw the they did that West ring [TS]

01:18:48   west wing short you know I i saw this [TS]

01:18:51   with a merry a shoot like a name now the [TS]

01:18:56   woman who played keep the security [TS]

01:18:58   adviser McCormick's sister was running [TS]

01:19:01   for a judgeship in michigan right arm [TS]

01:19:04   and so they got like the entire cast of [TS]

01:19:06   The West Wing to come in and basically [TS]

01:19:07   reprise their characters and doesn't [TS]

01:19:09   that kinda ticklish for you where you [TS]

01:19:10   sometimes you kind of want to think that [TS]

01:19:12   the cast of your favorite shows like [TS]

01:19:14   sometimes they just they're out there [TS]

01:19:15   and like their God when you're sitting [TS]

01:19:17   on the sets waiting [TS]

01:19:18   no I mean not just that but like you you [TS]

01:19:19   like sometimes they just going out [TS]

01:19:21   anyway and they play west wing right [TS]

01:19:22   like a you got you guys wanna play [TS]

01:19:24   firefight and it's like that you kind of [TS]

01:19:26   want to believe that that happens right [TS]

01:19:28   that they have like a plastic-like [TS]

01:19:30   backyard playground version of The Oval [TS]

01:19:32   Office statically exactly and so you [TS]

01:19:34   kind of sit their jaws invite them all [TS]

01:19:36   to the set of the Helicarrier while he's [TS]

01:19:38   shooting of the Avengers and it's like a [TS]

01:19:41   Firefly for a while you know I i watch i [TS]

01:19:43   do watch castle even though it's not you [TS]

01:19:45   know fabulously great because i really [TS]

01:19:46   like Nathan Fillion and earlier are [TS]

01:19:48   there are a ton of like firefly [TS]

01:19:50   references in there was a recent episode [TS]

01:19:52   couple weeks ago where they went to a [TS]

01:19:53   sci-fi convention yes and it was just [TS]

01:19:55   like and they're just throwing out stuff [TS]

01:19:57   there because it's like they can and [TS]

01:19:59   clearly he has a lot of affection [TS]

01:20:00   because he knows that's the role that [TS]

01:20:02   like made him write you know and and he [TS]

01:20:04   seems to really enjoy that part of it [TS]

01:20:06   and so it was there lying about like [TS]

01:20:08   really what stuff what stuff I do you [TS]

01:20:10   like him and he says you know Star Wars [TS]

01:20:12   Star Trek that Joss Whedon one you know [TS]

01:20:14   yeah yeah and so something like that or [TS]

01:20:15   like that makes fun of a show for [TS]

01:20:16   getting canceled after 13 episodes and [TS]

01:20:18   you know and so you know I ice [TS]

01:20:21   I think a lot of people look back on it [TS]

01:20:23   fondly and and you know that's fine [TS]

01:20:25   I and you but you know you kind of wish [TS]

01:20:27   that I don't know that his castle on the [TS]

01:20:30   air how they renewing castle because [TS]

01:20:32   it's a comfortable it is ABC's it's a [TS]

01:20:35   ABC went to CBS and stole their crime [TS]

01:20:37   procedural every it's every it's not CBS [TS]

01:20:40   is it everybody everybody's got the [TS]

01:20:42   person yeah that's a BS in CBS's [TS]

01:20:44   believes me when I mastered that yes [TS]

01:20:46   yeah and and that is fine but like i [TS]

01:20:48   don't know i mean from guys there's new [TS]

01:20:52   Star Wars movies with a possible with [TS]

01:20:53   the original cast coming out with 20 [TS]

01:20:55   years later there's nothing to say fly [TS]

01:20:57   my contacts on down like so much weight [TS]

01:20:59   that Jane gain you know its name and [TS]

01:21:01   adam baldwin yeah yeah yeah because her [TS]

01:21:03   supporters clearly still looking like [TS]

01:21:05   console but you know Star Trek came [TS]

01:21:07   startech came back as a movie ten years [TS]

01:21:08   out yeah but Kirk happened big jerk got [TS]

01:21:11   bigger [TS]

01:21:12   yes but guess what people in acid happen [TS]

01:21:15   all the time said you gotta film it like [TS]

01:21:17   there y'all still young and I now right [TS]

01:21:19   now I know you've got to accept the [TS]

01:21:20   reality of the people aged and just say [TS]

01:21:22   we're going to set this 20 years later [TS]

01:21:24   they're still flying around [TS]

01:21:26   darn ship I want to go back I'm gonna go [TS]

01:21:29   back in time back into after you have to [TS]

01:21:30   go back then we have to go back there's [TS]

01:21:33   a parallel universe where the firefly [TS]

01:21:35   was on for five years [TS]

01:21:36   we just need to create technology that [TS]

01:21:37   will let us go to that parallel universe [TS]

01:21:39   get the DVD set this and rejected a DVR [TS]

01:21:42   that accesses shows broadcast in a [TS]

01:21:46   parallel universe god I think I think [TS]

01:21:47   you're just describing another really [TS]

01:21:48   awful episode of family guy huh i have [TS]

01:21:51   two time-traveling DVR we can record [TS]

01:21:53   shows how they're really bad pilot that [TS]

01:21:55   NBC is gonna run next car that was what [TS]

01:21:57   if you had a DVR that lets you watch all [TS]

01:21:59   the shows from other universally edition [TS]

01:22:02   only was a DVD with a DVR [TS]

01:22:04   that's right and no and no even the [TS]

01:22:06   alternate reality ibc won't let you fast [TS]

01:22:08   forward through commercials Cal [TS]

01:22:09   Chandler's calculation hey there's this [TS]

01:22:12   there's this great show that's on a [TS]

01:22:15   parallel universe and its really [TS]

01:22:16   compelling the problem is that it seems [TS]

01:22:18   to be very Pro Hitler and damn really [TS]

01:22:22   good [TS]

01:22:23   damn so close how I got your Hitler okay [TS]

01:22:29   on that note I think it's time to close [TS]

01:22:31   up the fall TV review for now but [TS]

01:22:35   there's been fun I've got some things I [TS]

01:22:37   got some notes I've been assigned season [TS]

01:22:39   one of Homeland so i'm going to watch [TS]

01:22:41   that don't sound so depressed about it [TS]

01:22:43   no no I'm excited about that i'm [TS]

01:22:44   depressed about all the episodes of [TS]

01:22:46   supernatural I have to watch but I'm [TS]

01:22:47   excited about season one of Homeland so [TS]

01:22:50   watch season for Dexter's well now yes [TS]

01:22:52   i'll put that on the list to thank you [TS]

01:22:54   thats that's a good one for dexter and [TS]

01:22:57   His Dark Passenger he said he doesn't [TS]

01:22:58   want to be a serial killer [TS]

01:23:00   it has two buddies i used by the code of [TS]

01:23:03   us to utilize Harry's code it's true [TS]

01:23:05   none of us wants to be a serial killer [TS]

01:23:07   damn there's are theirs are all right [TS]

01:23:12   until the next episode of the [TS]

01:23:13   incomparable this is jason snow [TS]

01:23:15   I'd like to thank my guests comic LT I [TS]

01:23:17   kind of want to be a serial killer [TS]

01:23:19   okay fair enough and Aiko I just want [TS]

01:23:23   extend peace and love to everybody [TS]

01:23:24   that's much better than being a serial [TS]

01:23:27   killer [TS]

01:23:27   although serial killers say that sort of [TS]

01:23:29   thing so who knows Dan Morgan thank you [TS]

01:23:31   i keep watching revolution in last [TS]

01:23:33   resort i think i might have a problem [TS]

01:23:35   you [TS]

01:23:35   yeah DVR is gonna need to go into [TS]

01:23:39   something [TS]

01:23:40   prevention we're going to like take a [TS]

01:23:41   big magnet over your DVR know and john [TS]

01:23:44   sarkissian once again we have somehow [TS]

01:23:46   escaped without discussing Downton Abbey [TS]

01:23:48   if it's john you and i'll have it down [TS]

01:23:51   Abby podcast that's right on Ivy party i [TS]

01:23:54   watch it out nobody got Scott's coming [TS]

01:23:56   to is you got going all set up the [TS]

01:23:59   microphone and then just leave the room [TS]

01:24:00   and let let Lauren beyond it with you [TS]

01:24:02   guys because she's seen that we don't [TS]

01:24:03   have these two but I don't know what I [TS]

01:24:05   can't believe you're not watching that [TS]

01:24:06   Jason had the movie better said oh you [TS]

01:24:13   can't believe it I feel like I've let [TS]

01:24:14   you down now you have we've secretly [TS]

01:24:17   replaced your season one of home landed [TS]

01:24:19   out happy that he notices the difference [TS]

01:24:22   it's like firefly only which so we which [TS]

01:24:26   one of the characters on Downton Abbey [TS]

01:24:27   is the serial killer [TS]

01:24:29   Thomas ok alright i can't wait for the [TS]

01:24:34   episode where he has to actually [TS]

01:24:36   technically only one person is actually [TS]

01:24:38   killed somebody huh that's strong stuff [TS]

01:24:40   it's just the murders just as gory but [TS]

01:24:43   now it's just socially hopefully it's [TS]

01:24:44   just Mary Mary's is secretly a serial [TS]

01:24:47   killer [TS]

01:24:47   that's my theory all right on that note [TS]

01:24:50   thanks to everybody for listening to the [TS]

01:24:52   incomparable and go watch some more TV I [TS]

01:24:54   guess we're not watching enough [TS]

01:24:57   television already so watch more of it [TS]

01:24:59   see you next time [TS]

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