The Incomparable

115: For Dunces, By Dunces, To Dunces

 

  the incomparable number 150 November [TS]

  2012 well [TS]

  welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

  podcast I'm your host Jason scale and in [TS]

  this episode we're going to be talking [TS]

  about the fall TV season as we get on [TS]

  toward the end of my guess the November [TS]

  sweeps period we've had a few months to [TS]

  look at what's new and what's returned [TS]

  to the to the TV airwaves and so we like [TS]

  to check in with some of our panels and [TS]

  our panelists and talk about what [TS]

  they've been watching and what they've [TS]

  been liking and if they're things they [TS]

  can recommend or actually scares away [TS]

  from uh for the the fall TV season so [TS]

  joining me today are and he not co hello [TS]

  hello Jason thank you for being here [TS]

  today and more in this year of course [TS]

  because he's contractually obligated hi [TS]

  dan I'm just fulfilling my duty [TS]

  yes you put going through the motions [TS]

  scotland ltd who not only reads books [TS]

  but occasionally has been known to watch [TS]

  television is here hi Scott know [TS]

  sometimes I read books about television [TS]

  other novels LIRR they informational i [TS]

  have a book of short stories about [TS]

  colombo on my bedside table and strap [TS]

  colombo license mysteries I've heard [TS]

  about my rhythm though they are there [TS]

  well jeez I hate to bother you have one [TS]

  more question I've got for you [TS]

  he said yeah I see ah hello Elmo [TS]

  novelization right there will be my [TS]

  nanowrimo when the stories like [TS]

  introduce characters does it save the [TS]

  the the floor shop owner who looked a [TS]

  lot like Donald Pleasence from that [TS]

  episode with us a lot of vineyard owner [TS]

  yes or the Dead possibly who kind of [TS]

  looks like Spock and also joining us [TS]

  that was all the introduction discovered [TS]

  multi by the way has meant something [TS]

  also joining us is John siracusa who has [TS]

  been known to watching television in his [TS]

  time hai jaan hai Jason yeah I don't [TS]

  read the book so much these days but I [TS]

  watched a lot of TV it seems like it's [TS]

  good it's you can get through more stuff [TS]

  on TV books they take a long time [TS]

  someone's gotta do it [TS]

  the shows are gonna watch themselves [TS]

  they're really not that evo is not gonna [TS]

  although sometimes i feel like that with [TS]

  a tivo or DVR general is [TS]

  I don't have to watch the shows i just [TS]

  need to record them just that I just [TS]

  need to own them but that's not how it [TS]

  works Jason that will have to talk after [TS]

  the show like putting a textbook under [TS]

  your pillow yeah i was so you just it [TS]

  seeps n its rich its watching it for me [TS]

  as I record them and delete them [TS]

  it plugs into that same illness that [TS]

  like four years where I would buy like [TS]

  the spider-man even though I didn't [TS]

  really like the comic anymore but the [TS]

  thing is I'd had I have all of them so I [TS]

  have to keep buying them [TS]

  yeah and take it takes awhile to realize [TS]

  it but I I'm gonna space my DVR I should [TS]

  I should release some of these old [TS]

  episodes a big bang theory but then I [TS]

  won't have the complete season on my DVR [TS]

  yes or you could spend $23 and on DVD [TS]

  but I don't have it on my DVR look the [TS]

  numbers are going up and secrets here [TS]

  it's like the problem where you you want [TS]

  something and you feel like I have [TS]

  invested seven seasons in this show and [TS]

  I got to keep watching it because it's [TS]

  probably gonna end within the next [TS]

  couple seasons I've already watched the [TS]

  first seven seasons so I just can't I [TS]

  can't stop watching it now and i'm [TS]

  looking at you how i met your mother [TS]

  know whole plan this is sorry there was [TS]

  this little therapy here are you letting [TS]

  it out are you is this how you let your [TS]

  disappointment about supernatural dan [TS]

  know i love i love you enough that i [TS]

  will talk i was really about it yeah how [TS]

  i met your mother however does feel sort [TS]

  of like it's playing out the string [TS]

  doesn't it it's just it's the yeah there [TS]

  was not there was not eight seasons of [TS]

  this show in it to begin with no kids [TS]

  have i told you the story about when i [TS]

  got my want to visit the dentist in 2014 [TS]

  it's sad because i love the characters [TS]

  and I love to the premise and there are [TS]

  some truly hilarious episodes in the [TS]

  earlier seasons but it has hit that [TS]

  point where it's just like just going [TS]

  through the motions just doing it [TS]

  because you know we got paychecks yes [TS]

  until it becomes unprofitable at which [TS]

  point it and then I met the mother the [TS]

  end [TS]

  yeah they'll be anticlimactic at that [TS]

  point that wouldn't be the worst thing [TS]

  in the world [TS]

  yeah well yeah I'm invested I'm i bought [TS]

  in i just deleted the rest of the office [TS]

  off my DVR I've been watching that and I [TS]

  realized I'd stop watching it but the [TS]

  DVR kept recording and saving it and I [TS]

  just said you know what [TS]

  never gonna watch this the office got [TS]

  cut off despite me having invested [TS]

  however many seasons that was up until [TS]

  like last year I've done that occasion [TS]

  but most of the time i'm such a [TS]

  completist it's just really hard for me [TS]

  to give up dvrs change your you know it [TS]

  in the old days you just be like yeah I [TS]

  didn't watch that I guess so well but [TS]

  now it's almost like they pile up and [TS]

  you think to yourself [TS]

  he should i delete them my wife and I [TS]

  have this first of all I'll sometimes [TS]

  I'll just invest myself from a show when [TS]

  I don't like the office i said if you'd [TS]

  like to keep watching the office go [TS]

  ahead but Jim and Pam just got married [TS]

  and I'm going to consider that a very [TS]

  nice series finale and I'm done and [TS]

  sometimes you're sometimes you'll see ya [TS]

  you know I'll do that one folding [TS]

  laundry or something and but other times [TS]

  will have a you know a small ceremony of [TS]

  their quiet ceremony where we where we [TS]

  can sign the TV show to its to its it [TS]

  sanded to its final fate and will remove [TS]

  it from the auto record lists and say [TS]

  you remember the happy times and that's [TS]

  dependent and just let it let it go off [TS]

  and it's like we're we're our own [TS]

  network executives say like well I know [TS]

  you [TS]

  NBC hasn't canceled it but I've canceled [TS]

  it [TS]

  I saved three seasons of walking dead or [TS]

  whatever was for my wife because I [TS]

  thought someday she will want to see [TS]

  zombies not this year not next year not [TS]

  have happened Sunday you want to see [TS]

  zombies and I was right [TS]

  eventually she wanted to see zombies and [TS]

  I said you know what I've been saving [TS]

  them haha how many dvrs did you have to [TS]

  go through to get it like eight DVR is [TS]

  full of various show she might watch it [TS]

  they're all just stacked in a bookshop [TS]

  one day she'll like free to swap in the [TS]

  hard drives [TS]

  I've got a big dvrs like a 3 terabyte [TS]

  drive [TS]

  no that's good obviously LOL wow so we [TS]

  should probably start off with the hell [TS]

  this is actually a fascinating [TS]

  discussion about how we deal with the [TS]

  pumping shows often and finally like the [TS]

  office is a great example i cancel the [TS]

  office a long time we were there [TS]

  episodes after Jim and Pam got married I [TS]

  either were and i only saw some of them [TS]

  and I shouldn't have interesting i'm [TS]

  still watching the office the the [TS]

  looming specter of death and knowing [TS]

  that this is the last season they could [TS]

  do anything with these characters have [TS]

  its cause like the producers and the [TS]

  writers to really move things forward on [TS]

  the show some of that some of my [TS]

  favorite moments the entire series have [TS]

  been this year so wow well I'll [TS]

  rediscover them someday when I'm in a [TS]

  hotel room and there are reruns on I'll [TS]

  be like oh I haven't seen this one but [TS]

  yeah that that moment that moment the [TS]

  hotel room where that did where you turn [TS]

  it on it's already set to TBS and you [TS]

  can't find the remote you wind up for [TS]

  you end up watching about four hours [TS]

  with the family guy right [TS]

  I'm not sure I've ever watched a full [TS]

  episode of the office despite going to [TS]

  high school with two of the people from [TS]

  the show [TS]

  wow there's good there's good stuff in [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah and I was on an airplane I was [TS]

  trapped on an airplane and I watched [TS]

  like four consecutive episodes of The [TS]

  Big Bang Theory at which I i show that i [TS]

  watch but it was one of those things [TS]

  where it's like I'm just gonna leave it [TS]

  right here and I'm on a plane and I'm [TS]

  just gonna even the commercials whatever [TS]

  just haha that wash over me [TS]

  I don't want to work any good news our [TS]

  art art art art show is testing [TS]

  extremely well with people who are [TS]

  strapped out and uncomfortable seats up [TS]

  and forced to watch and exactly it's [TS]

  brilliant that the NPC's entire strategy [TS]

  by the way just it's just do it with [TS]

  prisoners and people who are trapped in [TS]

  various locations another example 30 [TS]

  rock where its final season yeah I now [TS]

  feel as though i can't we have we can't [TS]

  just simply like sort of string things [TS]

  along we have to do things or maybe [TS]

  think of it because one of the running [TS]

  themes this season is that they're [TS]

  trying they're trying to that liz lemon [TS]

  and and and Jack are trying to tank the [TS]

  network and like deliberately drive the [TS]

  ratings down right so like that that [TS]

  does sound like a scenario that they [TS]

  would hear founded on a final-season [TS]

  episode of 30 rock actual NBC strategy [TS]

  i'm sure it's good for comcast somehow [TS]

  to have it haven't NBC stink as it does [TS]

  new shows with we should talk about new [TS]

  shows first now that we've talked about [TS]

  some old shows a little bit eh they're [TS]

  quite a few out there i've managed to [TS]

  catch a few of them is there anything [TS]

  that than anyone if you want to bring up [TS]

  as a new show that you found that you [TS]

  that you are you particularly like [TS]

  you're just like this revolution knew I [TS]

  can't remember revolution is new [TS]

  solution yeah and apparently it's kind [TS]

  of a hit in the head I'll no say it [TS]

  shouldn't shouldn't be i know i don't [TS]

  understand revolution [TS]

  I you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna [TS]

  defend it I'll do that i'm sure that's [TS]

  because it's like that it knows i am go [TS]

  get him Scott here's my problem with [TS]

  revolution [TS]

  I could accept that there's some weird [TS]

  thing that all electricity stops working [TS]

  ok but but why does the internal [TS]

  combustion engine also stopped working [TS]

  but guns continuing where is not here [TS]

  but this team does work because they [TS]

  have a train [TS]

  I'm saying internal combustion doesn't [TS]

  work but steamworks and by the way the [TS]

  electrical signals that your body sends [TS]

  so you can move also work so it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  that's my guy so what you're saying is [TS]

  that this is where we we've got we've [TS]

  got nerd problems here is what we're [TS]

  saying no no you have to I I accept if [TS]

  you have a rule in your world you have [TS]

  to stick with that rule at the end if [TS]

  you don't then I don't buy into the [TS]

  whole thing did is it internal [TS]

  combustion that doesn't work or is it [TS]

  just the fact that cars require [TS]

  electrical starters but Carstairs [TS]

  reported in our company's work around [TS]

  that if you can cobble together my [TS]

  statement rain and your you can turn [TS]

  independence hall into someplace where [TS]

  you can run your Republic from even [TS]

  though Independence Hall has a very few [TS]

  facilities for such things since i live [TS]

  in Philadelphia [TS]

  oh I sneaked into the building so I know [TS]

  it's there you can figure out how to [TS]

  start an internal combustion engine and [TS]

  if you have a stockpile of weapons and [TS]

  access to apparently tanks [TS]

  you can do this so this is my problem [TS]

  with that show ya also remember that the [TS]

  the electric starter wasn't like the [TS]

  first thing they put into a car that's [TS]

  like at all those old-timey movies in [TS]

  which you try to crank the front of the [TS]

  Cure from the car that's like them [TS]

  manually try to crank start the engine [TS]

  well sure but I mean it is going right [TS]

  or retrofit all your existing cars to be [TS]

  cranks starts which i'm sure most people [TS]

  probably don't have the capability to do [TS]

  it gets rolling a stick shift car down [TS]

  the hill and pop the clutch if that's if [TS]

  that's the option to have to take a [TS]

  steam train down the end of the block to [TS]

  get up and down [TS]

  I would probably want to hang crank my [TS]

  engine well yeah I mean but you know how [TS]

  to turn and you know how to turn an [TS]

  engine into a tank engine without the [TS]

  benefit of the internet because I would [TS]

  be impressed i just say I'm guess I'm [TS]

  guessing the best that you know when [TS]

  there's a there's a time when i learned [TS]

  how to basically break into places that [TS]

  should have been broken into without the [TS]

  benefit of the internet and that's what [TS]

  cool enough information tends to spread [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  with or without technology so i'm pretty [TS]

  sure that all these solutions would be [TS]

  part of the other vernacular within a [TS]

  year and if it's been long enough for [TS]

  ivy-covered vines to cover the front of [TS]

  wrigley field that's that's putting both [TS]

  literals close to the metaphoric failure [TS]

  of the the team to actually make any [TS]

  product forward motion but i'm sure that [TS]

  at some point someone figured out how to [TS]

  make things work better than just you [TS]

  know that's what I i but i have to say i [TS]

  have to admit though I haven't seen a [TS]

  single episode I was totally throwing [TS]

  haha becomes totally i was totally i was [TS]

  totally thrown off by like all the [TS]

  teasers because always the at the first [TS]

  love you co another post a club [TS]

  post-apocalyptic sort of place that that [TS]

  stuff exclusively by incredibly hot [TS]

  looking women and you're just mad that [TS]

  see here's the thing i did watch the [TS]

  pilot and and I i'm amused by the fact [TS]

  that that uh we're sitting here of [TS]

  though it's nerds ok so I get it but [TS]

  that were debating the side of the [TS]

  scientific underpinnings of this [TS]

  ridiculous plot because my problem with [TS]

  it is that while there are many but one [TS]

  of them is it's the clean apocalypse and [TS]

  I hate the clean apocalypse like well [TS]

  the site is completely broken down but [TS]

  we're all pretty clean and well dressed [TS]

  and well-fed and not horribly scarred [TS]

  and you know our hair is fairly well [TS]

  kept and thatthat's just I mean first [TS]

  off that's ridiculous and then and then [TS]

  watching the pilot I kept thinking to [TS]

  myself why I honestly repeatedly said [TS]

  why would I ever watch more of this show [TS]

  because i didn't find the characters [TS]

  that interesting it seems like we're [TS]

  setting up for this you know another one [TS]

  of these quests where there's a where [TS]

  there's a fundamental premise mystery i [TS]

  I've got a lot of flashbacks to flash [TS]

  forward [TS]

  which was a i watched wasted 10 hours of [TS]

  my life watching that show and that was [TS]

  a terrible show and this felt very much [TS]

  the same so I you know I I i didn't get [TS]

  past the pilot for this one because i [TS]

  didn't like the clean apocalypse thing [TS]

  and I felt that I i had no motivation to [TS]

  come back for another week to see these [TS]

  characters in what presumably is them [TS]

  walking you know traveling from town to [TS]

  town is very incredible hulk style [TS]

  visiting with people and meeting with [TS]

  mean people who are trying to exert [TS]

  their power over the the the weaker [TS]

  people and I just didn't work for me [TS]

  well okay i actually took the time to [TS]

  watch all of the episodes to date second [TS]

  so now I you know I disagree I disagree [TS]

  I disagree that I i have also watched [TS]

  all of the episodes place I mean okay i [TS]

  I'm just starting out there i'm speaking [TS]

  you know I maybe that's because I 10 [TS]

  less towards the critical and more [TS]

  towards the looking for good in things [TS]

  dance ask for the masses because this is [TS]

  a hit and also it's consistent manner [TS]

  masses let's let's all admit that the [TS]

  masses are no indicator of taste [TS]

  I mean that's really hit or not is [TS]

  regardless of the fact that just means [TS]

  whether or not it gets the air enough [TS]

  episodes that it might turn into [TS]

  something that's not bad in my opinion I [TS]

  think there's I think there are a lot of [TS]

  problems with the show but i think there [TS]

  are things about it that I like I like [TS]

  the production design i thought there [TS]

  were some cool stuff in there [TS]

  I've enjoyed the fact that there I mean [TS]

  and I come at this from the perspective [TS]

  of as Jason knows having written a novel [TS]

  about a post-apocalyptic world that was [TS]

  very similar to this in some ways and so [TS]

  you know that belies my fondness for [TS]

  this idea as a premise your night light [TS]

  effects better than this show damn well [TS]

  they didn't turn that into a television [TS]

  show sadly that said I think there are [TS]

  some not yet there are some cool ideas [TS]

  in it and I like some of the I like some [TS]

  of the characters and as they got along [TS]

  there have been I admitting that there [TS]

  were a lot of points in in the pilot [TS]

  which the thing that i would be more [TS]

  most critical about was like I felt like [TS]

  I saw most of the beats and the pilot [TS]

  coming [TS]

  yeah there were a couple moments they [TS]

  got me and then there were some things [TS]

  in later episodes that I thought took [TS]

  this in directions that were more [TS]

  interesting and I enjoyed the more the [TS]

  flashbacks as we went along the the sort [TS]

  of going into the flashbacks about how [TS]

  things in the [TS]

  asked happened how people reacted and [TS]

  spending out so little bit more of this [TS]

  sort of conspiracy i agreed what Jason [TS]

  that I got a lot of a ring a lot of [TS]

  bells that flashforward rang and i think [TS]

  this show is better than flash forward [TS]

  which may not be saying like everything [TS]

  endorsement but I i don't know i mean i [TS]

  like the idea that they're willing to [TS]

  try audacious you know big-budget show [TS]

  on something that is not your typical [TS]

  doctor lawyer show and so I'm always [TS]

  willing to give something a try if it's [TS]

  if it's you know audacious enough and [TS]

  there's you know the show has a decent [TS]

  pedigree behind it too in terms of the [TS]

  community the creative team and so that [TS]

  for me is enough to be interesting i [TS]

  feel very much like this is a its first [TS]

  season show it's very it's more it's got [TS]

  more of an ongoing plot than i expected [TS]

  because first season shows are often [TS]

  very episodic which is say there's a B [TS]

  plot that sort of going through the [TS]

  entire thing which wich i appreciate but [TS]

  it does feel like it's trying to find [TS]

  its footing and I could see it turning [TS]

  into something you know very interesting [TS]

  it might also just go off the deep end [TS]

  and totally lose my interest but right [TS]

  now I i give it sort of a grudging [TS]

  approval [TS]

  I don't know guys I I've seen all the [TS]

  episodes as well because i like a post [TS]

  apocalyptic stories and that you've hit [TS]

  most of the the nerd highlights of [TS]

  what's wrong with it but I think like if [TS]

  you ignore all the things that we've [TS]

  discussed so far and just pretend it's [TS]

  not the story that it is it like it [TS]

  suffers from several some like the [TS]

  network effect is in the television [TS]

  network effect i think any one of us if [TS]

  you put us on a spot right now and said [TS]

  I want to have this post-apocalyptic [TS]

  story where it's like 15 years after [TS]

  civilization has gone to hell and you [TS]

  know I and there's a group of people run [TS]

  with it we can come up with better [TS]

  characters better premise better things [TS]

  for them to do better and you know [TS]

  overall arc better episodes like [TS]

  everything about it is just so kind of [TS]

  like it's not it's not Terranova bad but [TS]

  it's it's pretty bad in terms of its [TS]

  like boring side of road by the numbers [TS]

  not really that enjoy I think [TS]

  flash-forwards a way better show this [TS]

  because at least flash forward was a [TS]

  disaster that had some ambition [TS]

  this is kind of like a yeah all right i [TS]

  mean like just that if you had to [TS]

  explain what is what is the main start [TS]

  going after that her brother who cares [TS]

  about her brother who cares about her [TS]

  who cares about the MacGuffin who cares [TS]

  about any of these people society and [TS]

  like it's there's there's some [TS]

  interesting stuff there but they never [TS]

  go to the interesting stuff is just like [TS]

  yeah it really it really kills me and [TS]

  it's in its lack of ambition you know we [TS]

  happen to have a good apocalypse show on [TS]

  TV right now in the walking dead which [TS]

  is not a clean apocalypse which is more [TS]

  interesting and shows how messy things [TS]

  are in a way that it may actually kind [TS]

  of ruined revolution for me because [TS]

  revolution is you know work we're [TS]

  camping [TS]

  that's like that's what the apocalypse [TS]

  is is we have to camp out now and all [TS]

  the logistics for wrong in terms like 15 [TS]

  years later well I mean I I wanted a [TS]

  revolution i wanted to post block the [TS]

  show that didn't Tommy's yeah well I [TS]

  wish his head was just had some kind of [TS]

  a threat besides Civil War looking [TS]

  people and one guy who's kind of a [TS]

  psychopath mean guy and it's like it's [TS]

  just business [TS]

  i feel like and i really feel like [TS]

  anybody could come up with something and [TS]

  the only reason this gets on the air and [TS]

  the million better ideas don't get on [TS]

  the air is because some person goes like [TS]

  okay okay [TS]

  electricity doesn't work like it it's a [TS]

  show the premises for dunces pitched by [TS]

  dances to dances and that gets the green [TS]

  light and anybody could come up with a [TS]

  better post apocalyptic stories in this [TS]

  like with more interesting things or [TS]

  whatever it's like now that's not going [TS]

  to understand how about this you know it [TS]

  just it really it really bothers me that [TS]

  way now I keep watching it i'm not sure [TS]

  why i'll probably end up deleting it [TS]

  I mean I just the last few episodes i [TS]

  had built up I just watched so i can be [TS]

  in this podcast but [TS]

  I really like i said i think flash board [TS]

  was a better show because it tried into [TS]

  something more and really I think I care [TS]

  about the characters from the flashcard [TS]

  now characters no no I was guys might be [TS]

  awful i'm having sometimes I get lost [TS]

  and then I watched and I want to be [TS]

  hired a flash-forward man that I said I [TS]

  watched flashforward as well I mean it [TS]

  went off the rails and / or was a [TS]

  message but like it was there was some [TS]

  ambition there I felt like there was [TS]

  some kind of ambition in flashforward [TS]

  there was a little bit off the beaten [TS]

  path in this just seems so [TS]

  paint-by-numbers i think i think the [TS]

  problem here is there with this one is [TS]

  there backing into i think what they [TS]

  want to get at by the main plot [TS]

  I mean I don't know ke they're not doing [TS]

  they didn't necessarily do a great job [TS]

  of leading into at the beginning but I i [TS]

  think they've backed into some stuff [TS]

  that might be interesting no I'm not [TS]

  saying is the greatest thing since [TS]

  sliced bread but i thought i thought it [TS]

  had some potential promise that sliced [TS]

  bread does not work in revolutions [TS]

  despair are the limitations of the shows [TS]

  that kind of put the handcuffs on [TS]

  themselves like what right with a pilot [TS]

  where they can't just like a doctor who [TS]

  it's a show that is here's a really [TS]

  colorful universe with some really cool [TS]

  stuff in it let's chill stories that [TS]

  take place that really wonderful [TS]

  University they created Star Trek also [TS]

  there can be some ongoing stories but [TS]

  fundamentally it's about this wonderful [TS]

  universal we're going to explore filled [TS]

  with great characters i think one of my [TS]

  disconnects with a lot of these shows is [TS]

  that with the revolution that I'm sorry [TS]

  with the with with that show I mean that [TS]

  the right to the pilot it's okay so [TS]

  you're telling me that I really [TS]

  shouldn't pay close attention to these [TS]

  characters i should really ask myself [TS]

  how did the power get turned off and how [TS]

  are they going to turn it back on again [TS]

  i don't know i think it's overwhelmed by [TS]

  this question that is in the end should [TS]

  really just be the MacGuffin of the [TS]

  series [TS]

  yeah that's how I felt flash forward and [TS]

  and not exactly living too and also and [TS]

  also you just you don't there's the [TS]

  David Lynch effect where you're [TS]

  wondering where our man you're gonna do [TS]

  you really have any idea producers how [TS]

  you're going to win this up or are you [TS]

  just going to mess with me season after [TS]

  season after season having no idea what [TS]

  direction you're going to go for me [TS]

  Babylon 5 way the template where you [TS]

  have to work out where all of this stuff [TS]

  is going to have to maintain [TS]

  my faith that by investing in your show [TS]

  is that there's going to be a payoff at [TS]

  some point while they're playing it [TS]

  shows that don't Bob I mean you know [TS]

  depending on how the show works there [TS]

  are definitely episodic shows that don't [TS]

  necessarily have a thread that runs from [TS]

  you know episode 12 the final episode so [TS]

  I think it depends on the type of show [TS]

  this is I agree this is one of those [TS]

  shows that does seem like it's setting [TS]

  up to have some big mystery [TS]

  yeah and i think that is that's tricky [TS]

  you can get away with not with this type [TS]

  of you know string people along not know [TS]

  where you're going to like you you have [TS]

  it's like a balancing acts like an [TS]

  equalizer for your stereo right if [TS]

  you're going to crank those things down [TS]

  you have to drink something else up and [TS]

  the thing is like everything in the show [TS]

  all the characters motivations don't [TS]

  read is real [TS]

  the dialogue is not interesting or that [TS]

  snappy like isn't this is not good [TS]

  writing the character the character [TS]

  don't act like human beings that like [TS]

  badly written characters no one's [TS]

  motivation makes any sense if you think [TS]

  about it more than three seconds over on [TS]

  the same thing with the premises like [TS]

  what which one of my equalizer girls are [TS]

  up here like what is it [TS]

  alright so fine you're not good at what [TS]

  are you compensating within just [TS]

  everything is just down like low-quality [TS]

  boring not very smart not realistic to [TS]

  give a guy with a sword [TS]

  not even the swords not interesting the [TS]

  guy's not interesting like no he's not [TS]

  everything in it is just turn weiwei the [TS]

  only interesting thing about it is like [TS]

  I like post-apocalypse stories which I [TS]

  do i really really like that's why [TS]

  watching the show but it's just [TS]

  everything is nothing in there for me [TS]

  it's just it really about and I think [TS]

  that's why it's popular is like it's [TS]

  like a it's like NCIS or CSI rings other [TS]

  shows they're just like just really all [TS]

  the dials turned way down very very [TS]

  broad don't confuse anybody you know [TS]

  like even CSI better at least that has a [TS]

  mystery act if you're into mysteries [TS]

  than you know you can get a taste of [TS]

  that was just nothing in the show from [TS]

  you and i and i got i'm gonna say it's [TS]

  not as bad as terra nova turnover was [TS]

  worse but it gets that same feel [TS]

  i mean i-i didn't even get past the [TS]

  pilot with Terra Nova that was they [TS]

  learn that was really bad heard of old [TS]

  Terra Terra Nova pilot was so much [TS]

  better than the actual episodes were too [TS]

  that's the thing because i watch some of [TS]

  those when I was someone in the chatroom [TS]

  brings up Jericho everything is a short [TS]

  show that was much more interesting than [TS]

  this but with a similar vibe [TS]

  you don't think Jericho was more [TS]

  interesting than that in a revolution i [TS]

  watch more than one episode of Jericho [TS]

  I like three or four but yeah with it [TS]

  also had the same problem of not very [TS]

  smart people not very smart dialogue but [TS]

  at least it got you somewhat intrigued [TS]

  in the premises until you realize that [TS]

  it was just gonna be dumb you know [TS]

  yeah I alright well we'll move on from [TS]

  revolution but I I'm so out of touch the [TS]

  that a I got my entertainment weekly and [TS]

  it said revolution its successful and I [TS]

  thought really how is that possible but [TS]

  apparently it is i mean there's a [TS]

  certain question and that too at least [TS]

  because of the idea that you know if [TS]

  this is the kind of show that it doesn't [TS]

  seem like usually succeeds right [TS]

  oh yeah like especially on a network [TS]

  yeah well we'll see we'll see how they [TS]

  will see how they do but it apparently [TS]

  has gotten into some reading so far i'm [TS]

  just happy the Philadelphia isn't it [TS]

  I excellent i will i'm going to bring up [TS]

  a new show that I've been watching or at [TS]

  least I watched a few episodes of which [TS]

  is Elementary which is CBS is Sherlock [TS]

  Holmes procedural inspiring jonny lee [TS]

  miller and Lucy Liu right because that [TS]

  was always my complaint about sherlock [TS]

  holmes Watson should be hot [TS]

  uh-uh i always thought that to myself as [TS]

  I was ya think it is thank you yeah I'd [TS]

  say if you take jewel on their men and [TS]

  then some people might argue he is so [TS]

  elementary you know I i was amused by a [TS]

  lot of the reviews of of elementary that [TS]

  were very apologetic about the fact that [TS]

  it wasn't as good as the BBC sherlock [TS]

  but that it needed to be judged on its [TS]

  own and not compared to the BBC sherlock [TS]

  because it was not nearly as good as [TS]

  that just like they will follow [TS]

  themselves yes yes I've seen that all [TS]

  you ate before it is at six episodes of [TS]

  the BBC sherlock yes it's not as good as [TS]

  that but and then there's the there's [TS]

  always the butt which is you know it so [TS]

  elementary you know that it's a [TS]

  retelling of Sherlock Holmes he's in New [TS]

  York he's he's a buddy still English he [TS]

  is a recovering addict and Watson is [TS]

  there to kind of monitor him and he's [TS]

  the [TS]

  sherlock holmes that we know more or [TS]

  less than that he's got his amazing [TS]

  powers of deduction and so it's not a [TS]

  terrible idea to set to take Sherlock [TS]

  Holmes and put him in the middle of the [TS]

  CBS crime procedural why not and that [TS]

  and that is literally what this show is [TS]

  I like i said i watched I think three [TS]

  episodes and I realize okay I think I've [TS]

  seen the show now I think I've seen it [TS]

  all just going to be variations on the [TS]

  theme because it literally is who needs [TS]

  an entire CSI when you have sherlock [TS]

  freaking homes he is it CSI Sherlock [TS]

  right so that and that's really at me [TS]

  and Lucy Liu is she's feisty and does [TS]

  the things that she does but you know I [TS]

  i was interested in watching it because [TS]

  i like to compare to the BBC Steven [TS]

  Moffat Mark Gatiss series and you know [TS]

  they're not I I think they're not [TS]

  comparable in in any way at all i think [TS]

  that the BBC show has handled updating [TS]

  sherlock holmes for the modern-day kind [TS]

  of immaculately lots of the interesting [TS]

  flourishes uh-oh of ways that Sherlock [TS]

  Holmes adapt to modern society whereas [TS]

  this is I mean really it's it's just a [TS]

  CBS show he's the mental list except his [TS]

  powers are different i saw the first one [TS]

  the first half of the premier it just I [TS]

  didn't really have any complaints about [TS]

  it is easy to make it's easy to make fun [TS]

  of okay Lucy lewis watson ok i know [TS]

  where you're going with those networks [TS]

  it just didn't really engage me not like [TS]

  the guy I can't you can't help but [TS]

  compare to the BBC addition because it's [TS]

  the same characters in the same your [TS]

  stories that we all grew up with and [TS]

  whereas I don't I just don't I think [TS]

  they didn't think that it would have [TS]

  been great better if they had really [TS]

  taken the house md approach where they [TS]

  didn't hide in any way shape or form [TS]

  that Sherlock sculpture lock holmes and [TS]

  watson is the model for this these [TS]

  characters in this relationship but when [TS]

  they realize that well work we really [TS]

  want to drift far apart from that [TS]

  modernize it at that point they did the [TS]

  smart thing they decided well we don't [TS]

  have to call it Sherlock Holmes we can [TS]

  simply called to claim this is a brand [TS]

  new character and totally totally [TS]

  short-circuit anyone's expect [TS]

  expectations that direction so i think [TS]

  that whereas the BBC version [TS]

  produced a wonderful that thrilling [TS]

  update to to Sherlock mean these are [TS]

  this is the exact same character the [TS]

  relationship is spot on the characters [TS]

  attitudes towards life and towards the [TS]

  the environment is spot-on even though [TS]

  they are they do have cell phones now [TS]

  and now they're actually using the [TS]

  underground instead of care courses [TS]

  carriages I just don't think that this [TS]

  new version of advert for for America [TS]

  really hits those same notes it's a [TS]

  decent show is just not a decent shirt [TS]

  walk when it's right it's it's not [TS]

  really sure like I mean it's the [TS]

  character and that's really what the [TS]

  transplanting is he's got a he's got a [TS]

  watson and he's a master of deduction [TS]

  but all the other trappings of sherlock [TS]

  holmes have been sort of swept away and [TS]

  like I said we're left with a CBS crime [TS]

  procedural where the main character is a [TS]

  master of deduction which and somebody [TS]

  in the chat room is saying you know it's [TS]

  not even close to the BBC but it's not [TS]

  bad for network TV and I it's not i mean [TS]

  if I was locked in a room and forced to [TS]

  watch a CBS crime procedural and I've [TS]

  seen episodes of most of them i would [TS]

  probably pick elementary because it was [TS]

  fine and it was kinda sherlock holmes [TS]

  character and and and Johnny Lee [TS]

  Miller's performances it's he's [TS]

  interesting and it's it's fine but all [TS]

  of those CBS crime procedurals are feel [TS]

  like they're of a kind I mean they're [TS]

  literally they're mass-produced crime [TS]

  entertainment for an older demographic [TS]

  and everything wraps up nicely at the [TS]

  end and that's fine there's nothing [TS]

  wrong with that is a competently [TS]

  produced piece of entertainment it's [TS]

  just you know it's hard for me to get [TS]

  enthusiastic because it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't seem to really push it's not [TS]

  even like person of interest which sort [TS]

  of took the CBS template and then did [TS]

  some interesting kind of subversive [TS]

  things with it it's just you know it is [TS]

  like i said it's sort of like a CSI NCIS [TS]

  kind of meant the mentalist is like the [TS]

  best example it's very much like that [TS]

  it's a guy who's really clever and he [TS]

  notices Stephanie solves crimes [TS]

  yay so there it is in the seventies he [TS]

  would have a rock band in a van [TS]

  did anybody i did anybody else see [TS]

  elementary is it only me to sacrifice [TS]

  myself it did not directly but how [TS]

  no my mother started watching it [TS]

  apparently oh good well there that's [TS]

  again there's the demographic right [TS]

  there [TS]

  well to be fair to be fair my mother [TS]

  usually is pretty good taste in [TS]

  television [TS]

  alright well except that she said it was [TS]

  yeah that's what she said she's like [TS]

  it's not great but it's okay i mean [TS]

  she's watching videos in the demographic [TS]

  like that much better but and it's not [TS]

  bad [TS]

  so that's what it's got going for it so [TS]

  sees Jon watched all of all of [TS]

  revolution just to be on this podcast [TS]

  and I watched three out three hours of [TS]

  elementary so we all make our sacrifices [TS]

  but what else is new [TS]

  last resort should we talk about that i [TS]

  would happily talk about it i watched [TS]

  all of that as well I've watched all of [TS]

  that as well I've only seen the first [TS]

  two but don't let that stop you [TS]

  we can we can talk about it and John [TS]

  sounds we're hearing again if I let him [TS]

  go first this time all go after all [TS]

  right because a tough competition [TS]

  between this and revolution for the new [TS]

  show that I'm least enthusiastic haha mi [TS]

  Dulce parents didn't know anything about [TS]

  it until I watched the pilot and like I [TS]

  was gonna be an interesting premise but [TS]

  like they don't know what they're doing [TS]

  on this show they don't like they don't [TS]

  know what the point of it is it's like [TS]

  well we've got that we've got the [TS]

  locations from lost but we sure as heck [TS]

  don't have the writers of the cast and [TS]

  the premise is even less focused than [TS]

  loss if that was even possible [TS]

  huh you know that the thing you saw the [TS]

  pilot with the submarine and the nuclear [TS]

  missiles and the firing on your own [TS]

  thing but then we also supposed to care [TS]

  about the people like they cannot keep [TS]

  from episode to episode like what the [TS]

  actual conflict is and what the [TS]

  parameters that conflict or something [TS]

  that it's basically just like each [TS]

  episode you will see beautiful scenery [TS]

  on a tropical island and soldier like [TS]

  people run around and do something and [TS]

  you probably won't care too much about [TS]

  it up too much tension because next week [TS]

  new people run around and do new things [TS]

  and I'm just tired of it [TS]

  it's like not not quite it's not [TS]

  constrained enough I i like the pilot [TS]

  because I agree with you it's all over [TS]

  the place but what I liked about i like [TS]

  most of the pilot let's say I what I [TS]

  liked about it is that it felt like I [TS]

  was watching the part of a movie and [TS]

  that it was aight i love that it was [TS]

  kind of a mess because i thought this [TS]

  could go in interesting places the fact [TS]

  that it is they don't sell is this but [TS]

  it's essentially like a sci-fi show [TS]

  because it's [TS]

  that in a time where the you know I I [TS]

  you know there's questions about the US [TS]

  government and they there's a nuclear [TS]

  attack on Pakistan and and Andre [TS]

  Braugher who is great and i love Andre [TS]

  Braugher is set set himself up as [TS]

  basically the dictator of this island [TS]

  because he's got his nuclear submarine [TS]

  and there's you know there's a [TS]

  government conspiracy and that's always [TS]

  really boring ever since like the [TS]

  x-files I've been very bored by [TS]

  government [TS]

  I don't know why people think government [TS]

  conspiracies are interesting and it's [TS]

  like the default go to run it's like [TS]

  paperwork but evil is evil paperwork but [TS]

  it's still paperwork it's boring [TS]

  they can't even be bothered to have a [TS]

  conspiracy is just like the government [TS]

  bureaucrats are mean [TS]

  yeah yeah well you're right there's [TS]

  implications are conspiracy but it [TS]

  really is just the club of me and [TS]

  bureaucrats yet they can't even be [TS]

  bothered to tease you with it just like [TS]

  we doing the government series now let's [TS]

  just have like the soldier guy and the [TS]

  girl i guess that's gonna be the [TS]

  opposite episode and now the pilot does [TS]

  have one of the most spectacularly [TS]

  terrible things I've ever seen in the TV [TS]

  pilot which is the the military back in [TS]

  Washington there's the military [TS]

  contractor in her underwear [TS]

  yeah which is one which that is that is [TS]

  Mandy level badness that is West Wing [TS]

  Moira Kelly level awful character [TS]

  oh the there did I i have to say that I [TS]

  think this is where I guess this is a [TS]

  rhythm revolution I don't know why it's [TS]

  worse but I just when I think about like [TS]

  when they brought on my DVR and say [TS]

  which one should i watch i usually go [TS]

  for the door is just no I i know i mean [TS]

  justjust 400 per hour i think i would [TS]

  take a last resort / revolution and I'm [TS]

  fascinated by it i pick up mad about [TS]

  even for me [TS]

  I mean I neither of them do I think it's [TS]

  spectacularly great neither do i think [TS]

  is I've seen more shows than both of [TS]

  them and that you know again not saying [TS]

  much as early i thought the pilot of [TS]

  this one was pretty good i mean it had [TS]

  at least one moment that you know I [TS]

  thought was kind of a wow I didn't think [TS]

  they were gonna you know do that [TS]

  normally sell your bomb 200 miles [TS]

  offshore washington DC [TS]

  yeah I guess I didn't really even doing [TS]

  that far yet [TS]

  you know it makes sense to you in the [TS]

  context of the plot or do you mean the [TS]

  contractor in her underwear now that you [TS]

  know whatever thats you nobody expected [TS]

  from never tell ya [TS]

  we need to get attention something looks [TS]

  you have you expect the contractor to [TS]

  not wear underwear jason has a lot of [TS]

  chasing those work clothes yeah she was [TS]

  very surprised if she needed to FL off [TS]

  if FBI FBI agents are going to send [TS]

  shirtless pictures of themselves the [TS]

  people i think a contractor now know [TS]

  about our sketch of my reality job so [TS]

  you know I think you're that good it's [TS]

  it's it's like we're doing we're getting [TS]

  closer to the place where there's so [TS]

  many scandals coming about that now [TS]

  nobody will believe that the government [TS]

  can pull it together to be evil towards [TS]

  anybody because they're too busy sending [TS]

  naughty photos to each other with their [TS]

  government issued blackberry I believe [TS]

  that's how multi and scholarly lasted so [TS]

  long I don't know III in the day in the [TS]

  day since george w bush I've had a hard [TS]

  time you know believing that the [TS]

  government is actually competent enough [TS]

  to do things there that evil but you [TS]

  know it's kind of it's kind of a have [TS]

  your cake he needed to I think I think [TS]

  there's some interesting stuff on the [TS]

  show again there's some some threads [TS]

  that are that are interesting as the [TS]

  episodes have gone along they've gotten [TS]

  more into sort of you know the the [TS]

  episode stood the pilot starts with them [TS]

  picking up these you Navy SEALs who have [TS]

  been on some right botched operation and [TS]

  they sort of get more into well what the [TS]

  hell happened there [TS]

  there's some interesting power-play [TS]

  stuff i think on the island you know [TS]

  because this local warlord who is kind [TS]

  of got everybody understand rate it's [TS]

  mess it's it's a total mess but i kinda [TS]

  like I'm kind of enjoying that it's a [TS]

  mess because there is all this different [TS]

  stuff and I it's just it's fascinating [TS]

  to me to see the them say look this is [TS]

  not going to be like a regular TV series [TS]

  where it's the same every week it's just [TS]

  we're gonna have this complete mess of [TS]

  strands and we're gonna try to advance [TS]

  it and yeah if you think that's good the [TS]

  most recent episode which I just watched [TS]

  today involves basically a [TS]

  hallucinogenic drug attack on the island [TS]

  which I thought was just in frequency [TS]

  know it was kinda entertaining the best [TS]

  thing about this week's episode and was [TS]

  that they so they did the thing they [TS]

  didn't yet so lost does the thing are [TS]

  you know JJ Abrams ever ever do the [TS]

  thing where you know 10 million shows do [TS]

  with a show you you know at a later [TS]

  point is the first scene and then they [TS]

  go back where you see 36 hours earlier [TS]

  but this is the place that they put it [TS]

  with they put that formula in a shotgun [TS]

  and fired at the screen and then they [TS]

  did in the dialogue they said like two [TS]

  hours before the chemical attack and [TS]

  word chemicals in red and they did this [TS]

  seven times during the show and [TS]

  everytime chemical was in red like okay [TS]

  we get it was I thought it was handed [TS]

  hilariously wacky I mean I i really i [TS]

  really enjoyed it for me because it was [TS]

  like spending a lot of time it was a [TS]

  little bit like mementos like I'm just [TS]

  trying to put the pieces together what [TS]

  order this crap happened was what a mess [TS]

  that was water and like and this pieces [TS]

  scattered to know to no real end really [TS]

  i mean two one reveal they had was [TS]

  something that you saw coming and wasn't [TS]

  that really important to the plot or [TS]

  like oh what a mess that was what a mess [TS]

  but you're right it's like it's a it's a [TS]

  mess in this should be they should use [TS]

  this show as a course for teaching [TS]

  people how to write television because [TS]

  every episode 7 examples of what not to [TS]

  do and they're all didn't save variety [TS]

  that's what i'm looking for a variety of [TS]

  different ways not to read a TV show [TS]

  yeah i mean honestly if you're gonna [TS]

  watch a show and it's not great one of [TS]

  the reasons to keep watching is because [TS]

  it's fascinating in how strange and [TS]

  messy and and just weird it is and and [TS]

  that's kind of my fascination with last [TS]

  resort is that it's got a little bit in [TS]

  it that's a little bit of crimson tide [TS]

  and I like that part and then the rest [TS]

  of it is just like what are they doing [TS]

  and honestly i'd much rather watch [TS]

  something like that that's messy and [TS]

  what are they doing then something like [TS]

  the premise of revolution which for [TS]

  whatever reason does just for me I look [TS]

  at that and I think that's just really [TS]

  boring because it's just I i kinda I [TS]

  feel like I know all the permutations of [TS]

  that story where as last resorts like I [TS]

  don't know what they're gonna do it's [TS]

  it's just how is that a TV show and [TS]

  that's more interesting to me and I yeah [TS]

  I don't think it'll last that I think [TS]

  it'll I don't think I left beyond the [TS]

  seas I don't sound I could I don't think [TS]

  it can but I mean I like I really like [TS]

  Sean Ryan the the guy behind it who did [TS]

  the shield yeah areas and you know I [TS]

  think this is just it's just so bizarre [TS]

  as a show that I i can't help but you [TS]

  kinda need to be put down speaking of [TS]

  like Terriers like as an example of you [TS]

  know what why does Terry get canceled [TS]

  and last resort like potentially be [TS]

  renewed like it's an unjust universe we [TS]

  live in it is he says the sooner you get [TS]

  to realize that the better you [TS]

  understand television no no my one [TS]

  favorite thing about last resort those [TS]

  there's they have a at a convenient [TS]

  radio whatever early-warning missile [TS]

  detection system which is essential for [TS]

  their stupid promise right yes it's like [TS]

  a bigger you know it looks like a big [TS]

  EPCOT Center dome and picks up radio [TS]

  signals and it's in the valley between [TS]

  two gigantic mountains which is exactly [TS]

  that you put your your solution co-sleep [TS]

  yeah you're your thing that senses all [TS]

  around the entire island we can sense in [TS]

  200 miles in any direction will Nestle [TS]

  in this valley now I thought maybe [TS]

  that's what doesn t fit [TS]

  yeah well there if if you want some [TS]

  evidence that there is a justin logical [TS]

  universe animal hot the Animal Hospital [TS]

  got canceled after one episode [TS]

  yeah we're maybe too because they did [TS]

  that they did the one that preempted the [TS]

  end of the olympic closing ceremonies [TS]

  and then I don't know what that show is [TS]

  I feel good I feel better about it was [TS]

  it was the NBC sitcom about that's and a [TS]

  monkey [TS]

  I had no idea that this thing exists me [TS]

  you got a you had to think a monkey was [TS]

  gold [TS]

  comedy gold animal practice and practice [TS]

  our yes but yeah I'll all you have to do [TS]

  is see like all the clips of hey well [TS]

  let's let's dress up a monkey like a [TS]

  doctor and have them like walking around [TS]

  doing rounds as a regular character [TS]

  that'll work that is right out of the [TS]

  television playbook of like you know [TS]

  every show from the nineteen-eighties it [TS]

  seems like so that's that that's it [TS]

  that's a network executive that is [TS]

  officially disgusted by America where I [TS]

  i met I imagine this guy like having [TS]

  tried to like large all these really [TS]

  really great creative series and all [TS]

  them tag after season ever like one [TS]

  episode are never getting never get [TS]

  launched to begin with is alright idiots [TS]

  you what stupid sit gulps let's give [TS]

  this with the stupid sitcom ever and [TS]

  unfortunately there wasn't a springtime [TS]

  for Hitler effect it actually was [TS]

  regarded as the dumbest thing ever and [TS]

  burst into flames potentially has [TS]

  anybody actually anybody else actually [TS]

  seen episodes the showtime series with [TS]

  metal at the bomb [TS]

  no but I was about to make a friend's [TS]

  reference i was going to say that that [TS]

  the the animal practice show is really [TS]

  an NBC executive saying let's recapture [TS]

  the magic of that time when they have [TS]

  that monkey on friends [TS]

  the monkey was testing through the roof [TS]

  I told him to keep the monkey on the [TS]

  show but they wouldn't listen to me i [TS]

  think i was just amused because on the [TS]

  show episode [TS]

  codes which is sort of like a Hollywood [TS]

  you know now pastiche right there's a [TS]

  whole return recurring theme about how [TS]

  the network that the the show focuses on [TS]

  passed on a show about a talking dog and [TS]

  then it becomes like the most popular [TS]

  show on the network and they're like why [TS]

  do we bet on the talking dog Joe that's [TS]

  a that's I think Steven Moffat said has [TS]

  did that the episodes painful for him [TS]

  because it is at literally about Miss [TS]

  adaptation of a UK sitcom in the 80s [TS]

  like in fact it is and kind of hilarious [TS]

  yeah yeah resembles the coupling story a [TS]

  little bit too much any other any other [TS]

  new stuff you guys are watching that we [TS]

  should talk about that's weird that this [TS]

  isn't like usually I have I start [TS]

  watching more shows and then bail on a [TS]

  bunch on this 1i guess the only to have [TS]

  new ones are watching your revolution [TS]

  and last week how Sally sad and they're [TS]

  disappointed but like I think the [TS]

  returning shows are making me happy this [TS]

  year so all right well let's talk about [TS]

  returning shows that she would tell my [TS]

  friends a little bit [TS]

  Alex get our God o so so well French [TS]

  part of it is just we've come this far [TS]

  right this is the last season of fringe [TS]

  ya doing I'm gonna see I'm going to see [TS]

  it through 13 episodes or whatever and [TS]

  then they're done when you're halfway [TS]

  you're halfway through now right [TS]

  and basically i've only seen the first [TS]

  what three of these i think i've seen [TS]

  the first five [TS]

  ah I'm i am happy that fringe is going [TS]

  out on its own terms and its own terms [TS]

  are completely insane right I'm okay [TS]

  with that the fact that like hey let's [TS]

  set in the future and we're fighting [TS]

  aliens observer from threats and aliens [TS]

  they're given future humans yeah I know [TS]

  okay they're really the ones like the [TS]

  watchers from marvel comics but I I'm [TS]

  enjoying it because i like seeing the [TS]

  characters and I like seeing them in a [TS]

  different setting and it's you know it's [TS]

  and it's crazy i love that they [TS]

  basically threw away their kind of old [TS]

  premise and have a new premise that's [TS]

  just we admit we're not even a little [TS]

  bit like we were in our first season now [TS]

  if you went from the first episode to [TS]

  the this season like I want to do it [TS]

  with lash yeah so I've enjoyed it for [TS]

  that I agree I you know I thought I [TS]

  think I think this season dealing with [TS]

  the the two worlds was my favorite which [TS]

  three i think was the main one where we [TS]

  really got into sort of the back and [TS]

  forth between the two worlds and I'm [TS]

  still enjoying it i mean i thought i got [TS]

  i think its peak in the throat and a [TS]

  third yes I grom but that I mean you [TS]

  know even so it's still doing a lot [TS]

  better and you know i think in the it's [TS]

  nice that they got in the back door on [TS]

  sort of the insert of the site like it [TS]

  started off as this very like it's going [TS]

  to be kind of x-files e right like yeah [TS]

  and then they went just it just into [TS]

  like unapologetic full-blown sci-fi [TS]

  right and that I kind of appreciate [TS]

  which is like there's not a lot of that [TS]

  on television I feel like you're [TS]

  definitely not on network television [TS]

  know that this is a show that lets its [TS]

  freak flag fly and it if it gets [TS]

  freakier every every year it's true and [TS]

  I don't mind that even though it's been [TS]

  a really uneven kinda you know and then [TS]

  even show over the years but i'm glad [TS]

  they are getting to end of the same [TS]

  complaint as i had last time we talked [TS]

  about fringe which is that they now at [TS]

  this point they've just done too many [TS]

  changes and the they've done too much [TS]

  with the same characters that now i feel [TS]

  like i care about this character in this [TS]

  space and I cared about this character i [TS]

  do this space and then they made this [TS]

  character not really her but then like a [TS]

  clone but the different like they've [TS]

  just been too many times too many [TS]

  Walters too many Joshua Jackson's too [TS]

  many you know you know you want to call [TS]

  them Pacey too many paces [TS]

  yeah I'm not like that doesn't it just [TS]

  they've just gotten that they've gone [TS]

  through the middle too many times and [TS]

  every time they go recycled through its [TS]

  not the storylines about so much it's [TS]

  just that I'm no longer I no longer have [TS]

  any I can't i lost the thread of what it [TS]

  is these characters wanted what what is [TS]

  going to be fulfilling for them [TS]

  intellectually emotionally plot-wise and [TS]

  I i mean i still enjoy the wackiness of [TS]

  the plots and i like that they've just [TS]

  basically reset the show like so many [TS]

  times i find that that bold and [TS]

  interesting and i like i like the [TS]

  x-files season I like the i really like [TS]

  the know the finding out Pacey wasn't [TS]

  who you thought he was like the two [TS]

  World season but like just as they've [TS]

  gone through the meat grinder I just [TS]

  care less and less than this this season [TS]

  like I had no emotional connection with [TS]

  their their daughter I don't care what [TS]

  those two want Walter [TS]

  changed over too many times the [TS]

  assistant is there for no reason at this [TS]

  point you know like it's just you just [TS]

  you know just sail it out like and I'm [TS]

  more interested in the characters of the [TS]

  bald guys like know the turning them [TS]

  into characters at least that because [TS]

  they haven't been through the grinder 50 [TS]

  times it's just the one you know like I [TS]

  can get you know September was kind of [TS]

  interesting character and i love these [TS]

  evil guys like to know what's inside [TS]

  their head what motivates them and stuff [TS]

  but the but the other characters is just [TS]

  too much so yeah they need the show [TS]

  needs to go out I I applaud them for [TS]

  being bold and daring and they had so [TS]

  they had a couple of good you know half [TS]

  seasons and some really good episodes [TS]

  mixed in there so but in general it's [TS]

  kind of dying with a whimper i think one [TS]

  of the things I like about friends and I [TS]

  na they've picked it up this year too is [TS]

  that it does have an underlying kind of [TS]

  sadness about its themes that I like [TS]

  they and i've said this i think the [TS]

  previous podcast the this is a show that [TS]

  turns out its underlying premises about [TS]

  the loss of a child and what happens [TS]

  when Walter refuses to accept the loss [TS]

  of his son and in this season I thought [TS]

  it was interesting that they kind of [TS]

  came back to it again that that that [TS]

  theme with the idea that that that Peter [TS]

  and Olivia's daughter is lost to them in [TS]

  there is an attack by the observers and [TS]

  they lose her and then their loss to her [TS]

  because they get ambered up and are you [TS]

  know trapped in amber while she grows up [TS]

  and then they're reunited but I i think [TS]

  it's you know for what it's worth I I've [TS]

  always appreciated that about fringe [TS]

  that they there is this underlying thing [TS]

  that's about parents and children and [TS]

  and loss of of children the severing of [TS]

  the bonds between parents and children [TS]

  and and that's been something that [TS]

  they've had as a theme from from the [TS]

  start from the from the pilot which is [TS]

  about Pacey reconnecting with Walter [TS]

  when he's been in the mental institution [TS]

  all that time so anyway I I like that [TS]

  about it and I thought that that in [TS]

  starting the season it was cool that [TS]

  they went back there and that they've [TS]

  had this you know that that plot and [TS]

  that theme keeps kind of coming yeah i [TS]

  think that will play a big part in to [TS]

  see I just [TS]

  wait until you see where this season [TS]

  eventually and John Doe spoil john-boy [TS]

  little restaurant but i'm going to say [TS]

  no no I mean I right they're playing [TS]

  they're playing off all of those same [TS]

  themes that they've had so I i like i [TS]

  like that that there's some consistency [TS]

  to the themes although I do think it [TS]

  went over to the you know so bad it's [TS]

  good thing Danny final bit with the [TS]

  posters on the wall media or anything [TS]

  like that that finally that wrapped [TS]

  around that I'm like all right I will [TS]

  just I was just on apologize to laugh at [TS]

  that because it's just so alright that's [TS]

  are you gonna do [TS]

  ok just decided they're going out full [TS]

  throttle and that's that's great [TS]

  yeah 3 flag haha yeah everytime i watch [TS]

  the show i am amazed this is only [TS]

  applies to me that i watch it because [TS]

  you know a few years ago my mom came to [TS]

  visit and she said oh I have to watch [TS]

  fringe while I'm here and I was like I [TS]

  don't know what this fringes but ok and [TS]

  i started watching it was like hey I'm [TS]

  amazed you watch this mom and baby i'm [TS]

  going to continue watching it and I I [TS]

  have to ask my mother if she still [TS]

  watches it though because i think it may [TS]

  have gotten a little too weird for her [TS]

  but yeah my mom made their about the [TS]

  first three four seasons of lost and [TS]

  then was just like yeah whatever that [TS]

  time travel stories like that was not [TS]

  like I'm amazed you made it that far [TS]

  somebody in the chatroom pointed out by [TS]

  the way that we did we did we leave off [TS]

  a new a new show that I did watch the [TS]

  pilot of which is arrow [TS]

  oh haha on the CW it you're really a [TS]

  plumbing the depths obvious i'm working [TS]

  hard here don't know is it that bad as a [TS]

  NBC had a short-lived show called the [TS]

  cape over the Cape [TS]

  yes the Cape I didn't see the Cape I saw [TS]

  the first I saw the planet fact i [TS]

  believe i believe the guy who started [TS]

  the Cape is now on revolution [TS]

  I'm not kidding i think that's true [TS]

  actually I believe it is true era was [TS]

  better than I expected although i had my [TS]

  expectations were quite low [TS]

  it's a bizarre combination of of it's [TS]

  almost like lost crossed with gossip [TS]

  girl it's it's one but haha it's you [TS]

  know it there's some interesting aspects [TS]

  to it because it's the idea that he's [TS]

  the this kind of near too well playboy [TS]

  who gets on a it isn't a shipwreck and [TS]

  Island and learns to become this you [TS]

  know bow and arrow ninja dude and you're [TS]

  selling keep going you know and and so [TS]

  when he comes back everybody remembers [TS]

  its first they all thought he was dead [TS]

  but everybody remembers that mr. spoiled [TS]

  brat and he's at and so you get that [TS]

  Bruce Wayne kind of thing where he's got [TS]

  his public persona as this miserable [TS]

  spoiled rich kid when in reality his [TS]

  he's brooding and dark and likes to fire [TS]

  arrows at evil guy is right because if [TS]

  there's nothing that intimidates bad [TS]

  people that bow and arrows well that's [TS]

  what they had on the island except for [TS]

  except for horses and bayonets [TS]

  especially if you take the rubber [TS]

  suction cup off the end of the era [TS]

  before you fire it could take someone's [TS]

  eye out with that it was a it was it was [TS]

  pretty much what I expected from a CW CW [TS]

  show it was not it was a show it was [TS]

  well it was not as terrible as I thought [TS]

  it would be i mean really it really [TS]

  wasn't but i didn't watch another [TS]

  episode of it i didn't i didn't record a [TS]

  few more but we Sarah we had a ceremony [TS]

  last night we deleted all the episodes [TS]

  of arrow off the DVR so but there were [TS]

  in fact let's go back and watch it but [TS]

  that's like their debts they're trying [TS]

  to recapture like Smallville and do it [TS]

  then tell the story of the green arrow [TS]

  which is hilarious also because my wife [TS]

  who doesn't know anything about comic [TS]

  books keeps getting Hawkeye and green [TS]

  arrow confused and it never fails like [TS]

  you know we're watching The Avengers [TS]

  she's like so is the green arrow no no [TS]

  it's not and we're watching Aaron just [TS]

  like this is this the guy from The [TS]

  Avengers no it's not there's two [TS]

  separate bow and arrow superheroes [TS]

  I know it's confused wait until the just [TS]

  windshield shows i just gonna throw you [TS]

  for a loop extra confusion [TS]

  let's see what else I a couple of you [TS]

  mentioned homeland which i haven't seen [TS]

  although I've heard from some people [TS]

  that might be another example the show [TS]

  that print should have been one season [TS]

  long but John and and and dan have you [TS]

  seen that one [TS]

  yeah we can't spoil it for you i have i [TS]

  heartily endorse homeland yeah I [TS]

  definitely watch it even though in the [TS]

  seconds it's got whatever second season [TS]

  disease is talking or itís yeah it's [TS]

  got many of the problems that shows have [TS]

  in their second season partially due to [TS]

  how the first season ended with parsley [TS]

  just do [TS]

  I don't like syphilis or some other kind [TS]

  of things going to the writers around [TS]

  you know some sort of wasting disease [TS]

  Wow regenerative right but but it's [TS]

  still like it's hardly even for you this [TS]

  number this is an example of like we're [TS]

  the good things about Homeland are so [TS]

  good that you're willing to like like [TS]

  this there are bad things you'll see [TS]

  what they are if you stick with the show [TS]

  but like season 1 season almost nothing [TS]

  in it that was bad really just great [TS]

  thumbs up right and season two still [TS]

  great acting still great writing still [TS]

  some good ideas but then like the bad [TS]

  dial start cranking up a little bit more [TS]

  like but wait a second is that this kind [TS]

  of show [TS]

  no but it's good and these people i like [TS]

  that like really really i think Claire [TS]

  Danes win the Emmy yeah yeah I mean she [TS]

  was there because like to its it's so [TS]

  you have to watch it's a really good [TS]

  show [TS]

  alright i really enjoyed it I'm a few [TS]

  episodes back right now but I you know [TS]

  so maybe I haven't run into as much of [TS]

  the I mean it's tough because John's [TS]

  right like that the situation they leave [TS]

  at the end of the first season is like [TS]

  all right where do you go from here and [TS]

  it is based i believe on a Israeli [TS]

  series and so there is always trouble [TS]

  when you have an adaptation of like well [TS]

  when you depart from the source material [TS]

  and you know can you sustain things you [TS]

  know if you outlast the source material [TS]

  especially but there's some really [TS]

  interesting stuff and it really you know [TS]

  it's it is really compelling at least [TS]

  definitely in the first season the [TS]

  second season I think I ended the the [TS]

  last episode of the second season ends [TS]

  with sort of a crap moment i did its [TS]

  second season does have some good [TS]

  moments kind of like you watch Friday [TS]

  Night Lights right Jason oh yeah I mean [TS]

  you see you know when the writers one [TS]

  strike and they did that crazy thing [TS]

  with assessments like the only entry in [TS]

  the yeah right papist oh it's not that [TS]

  bad it's not a total cliff-like was [TS]

  still good parts to it but I you know I [TS]

  don't know I maybe they didn't want to [TS]

  give up their caste or I don't know like [TS]

  it you will see but it's definitely [TS]

  worth watching this is totally an [TS]

  example of where the good things are are [TS]

  just so really good that I'm willing to [TS]

  forgive a lot of badness and missteps [TS]

  and i will definitely stick with this i [TS]

  really look forward to homeland every [TS]

  weekend we Friday Night Lights fans [TS]

  don't like to talk about the second [TS]

  season and yeah i think the producers [TS]

  did too because in the third season that [TS]

  they literally have things happen that [TS]

  that could not possibly have happened if [TS]

  the second season it existed and they're [TS]

  like just metin [TS]

  ya know like buddy Garrity did you adopt [TS]

  like a big kid the Santiago when I [TS]

  haven't met your house and we have a [TS]

  football team known to do that didn't [TS]

  happen [TS]

  Landry was never accused of a crime [TS]

  nothing never had a hope that these [TS]

  things happen in Texas all the time so [TS]

  yeah it's just everybody [TS]

  yeah but we should do it we should do an [TS]

  episode about friday night lights [TS]

  sometime [TS]

  oh I'd have to watch it i love that show [TS]

  good show i'm watching Jason you gotta [TS]

  hurry up and watch homeland before [TS]

  people are like 400 km managed not to [TS]

  but just get through season wanted to [TS]

  really fast [TS]

  that's another one that i saved or I [TS]

  should have saved from my wife it I [TS]

  tried to convince her to watch it she [TS]

  wouldn't do it then once i started [TS]

  watching season 2i all the episodes i [TS]

  watch secretly without her so she [TS]

  wouldn't know like even if you saw a [TS]

  character on the screen you're like well [TS]

  I see that character in season two I [TS]

  know they don't die and I don't think I [TS]

  kept it totally you know well in the [TS]

  dark and i think it worked out well so [TS]

  hurry open season one before you know [TS]

  what happens is available somewhere [TS]

  maybe it's available someone I showtimes [TS]

  readily available on iTunes probably [TS]

  yeah my wife bought it on itunes despite [TS]

  the fact that she just discovered today [TS]

  we can talk here free we should could [TS]

  watch it for free on the show time you [TS]

  know ASAP [TS]

  yeah okay go ahead and I was gonna say [TS]

  along those lines I'm i started watching [TS]

  this hockey spy shown us a couple years [TS]

  ago covert affairs and i watch it [TS]

  because i'm a sucker for spy shows love [TS]

  spy stuff and the first two seasons were [TS]

  like okay it was pretty much your [TS]

  standard us a fair the third season has [TS]

  been surprisingly really good like just [TS]

  much more i don't know if the writers [TS]

  ate their Wheaties or whatever but like [TS]

  they started really getting into some [TS]

  interesting stuff and having more of a [TS]

  recurring plot and I thought they did a [TS]

  much better job with the third season to [TS]

  date and you know I say in some ways it [TS]

  kind of feels like a homeland light [TS]

  because although it predates homeland or [TS]

  an alias light almost except not as [TS]

  crazy as a least like it's really the [TS]

  thing I liked about it from the [TS]

  beginning is that their espionage [TS]

  portrayal stuff is far more focused on [TS]

  people and far less focused on gadgetry [TS]

  there's almost none of the like you know [TS]

  like crazy technology [TS]

  like that you see on shows you're like [TS]

  yeah it's not actually real they focus [TS]

  on much more like the actual white being [TS]

  a person spy part of it and that to me [TS]

  was really interesting because it does [TS]

  have sort of throwbacks to more classic [TS]

  espionage work so i throw that out there [TS]

  is as a show that has i started watching [TS]

  just because I was like entertained week [TS]

  for me but I thought the third season [TS]

  has been really really good ok anything [TS]

  else we should we should talk about that [TS]

  you guys are watching I continue to [TS]

  watch dexter although wow yeah it did I [TS]

  stop when jimmy smits was on well [TS]

  Jimmy's the tree split season was not [TS]

  very good especially since it came right [TS]

  after order to come before the john [TS]

  lithgow season before [TS]

  oh you should watch skipper Jimmy Smits [TS]

  and go to John let's go go to season for [TS]

  john lithgow it is amazing [TS]

  a what he's a great actor but he is [TS]

  incredibly creepy as a serial killer [TS]

  alright so you should just watch watch [TS]

  that shit watch that season I won't [TS]

  spoil it for you but it is well worth [TS]

  what if you like dexter i do I like the [TS]

  first two seasons [TS]

  yeah Susan force is the best season of [TS]

  them all [TS]

  alright I don't know about that but oh [TS]

  it's true i'm still saying spoiler-free [TS]

  because I may come back to it I bailed [TS]

  like a couple episodes in 25 i may [TS]

  return to it that I think I just burned [TS]

  out on it just because of the sameness [TS]

  and I and that i agree that their [TS]

  overall Arkin dexter is good like [TS]

  they're going kind of somewhere there's [TS]

  a through-line and I appreciate that but [TS]

  it's just at a certain point like you [TS]

  saw the diversity seasons already [TS]

  certainly what it's like [TS]

  how's dexter gonna get out of this time [TS]

  and as always how much that I can take [TS]

  you know you haven't there's a [TS]

  interesting I mean she season 7 [TS]

  introduces a new wrinkle at that well I [TS]

  guess the end of season 6 into season 7 [TS]

  introduces a something that I don't want [TS]

  to ruin friday well if you have it [TS]

  watching it so that makes me I may [TS]

  return to it a little more interesting [TS]

  but i watch the second season i think [TS]

  actually while it was airing and that [TS]

  was great because I literally knew [TS]

  nothing about whether they were gonna [TS]

  come back and I don't think they'd [TS]

  announce whether it had been renewed or [TS]

  not and [TS]

  great because the second season plays [TS]

  out really like they could just capture [TS]

  or kill Dexter and that's the end of the [TS]

  show and I thought that would actually [TS]

  be accepted a great and have him can be [TS]

  found out and that's the end he goes to [TS]

  jail and that's the end of the show [TS]

  goodbye and that's not what happens [TS]

  instead many other horrific things [TS]

  happen and he's and he's escapes [TS]

  scot-free but was really great [TS]

  I those first two seasons people hear [TS]

  about a show about a serial killer and [TS]

  they get all kind of horrified about it [TS]

  but those first two seasons of dexter [TS]

  that I saw were spectacular and then [TS]

  Jimmy Smits was like oh my brother died [TS]

  and you were there you might have no no [TS]

  you might not have thought I was a [TS]

  purchase that's a good but I and I think [TS]

  I like dexter because you know [TS]

  I like dexter because you know [TS]

  he you know he's a bad guy right but he [TS]

  did but you feel for him and you're like [TS]

  wait for rooting for him to like no we [TS]

  don't want him to get caught but then [TS]

  he's a psychopath who is killing people [TS]

  and you're like well maybe I should be [TS]

  resting right right well that that's the [TS]

  beauty of that show is that you're like [TS]

  oh hello Dexter doesn't get cut wait a [TS]

  second is good with people right [TS]

  I'd I should not be rooting for him he [TS]

  had killed a lot of people but he's he [TS]

  kills bad people he does mostly okay [TS]

  mostly yes if you know this was the [TS]

  seventies they were we would have [TS]

  already had a crossover between dexter [TS]

  and breaking bad like another made for [TS]

  each other they were bump into each [TS]

  other dexter and Walter White will be [TS]

  like yeah that would have already [TS]

  happened [TS]

  that's true because they would have both [TS]

  been on CBS or something [TS]

  yeah one else duh dad walking dead [TS]

  walking dead we should talk about [TS]

  walking dead easy tonight or Downton [TS]

  Abbey yeah just worried since they're [TS]

  basically the same same feeling better [TS]

  and there are a lot of similarities [TS]

  wiser as a reader of the comics and [TS]

  Walking Dead I was really happy to see [TS]

  that they got to the prison this year [TS]

  because that was a great arc in the [TS]

  comic and I'm not going to spoil the [TS]

  comment other than to say the comic had [TS]

  mark where they went to the prison and [TS]

  they've basically followed that and [TS]

  there's a lot of different kind of [TS]

  stories to tell and there's the there's [TS]

  the there's a pretty prison setting and [TS]

  then there's the town setting with the [TS]

  with a david Morrissey and you know I [TS]

  think I i I've feel like there's much [TS]

  more going on in the walking get this [TS]

  season than last season which was [TS]

  overstuffed and really was like six [TS]

  episodes worth in 13 [TS]

  that's right well they had a good that [TS]

  the they concentrated on a couple [TS]

  characters and events in the past [TS]

  seasons and this one seems more like [TS]

  more fair like was the tension between [TS]

  was named shane and and Rick like that [TS]

  was a nice slow build and they kind of [TS]

  had a whole season to work it out with [TS]

  Lori in the middle and that was [TS]

  satisfying but like small and then add [TS]

  the big finale and now it seems like [TS]

  it's it's a bigger multi-character yeah [TS]

  arc and then like and and it's different [TS]

  it's satisfying in a different way that [TS]

  the thing about walking dead is it like [TS]

  if you can't keep me engaged in the [TS]

  personal stories I start thinking about [TS]

  how bad these people are about surviving [TS]

  with zombies around [TS]

  right right I start thinking about their [TS]

  competence and like what their options [TS]

  actually weren't I shouldn't be doing [TS]

  that I should be just tirely [TS]

  concentrating on whatever the personal [TS]

  stories you want to tell right now right [TS]

  now I think they've done a yeah i think [TS]

  they've done a good job of that this you [TS]

  left last season it really dragged and [TS]

  you started to think you had time to [TS]

  muse about all the ways well I think [TS]

  it's the opposite i was caught up with [TS]

  her last 1i want to see how like I like [TS]

  seeing Lori playing the two of them back [TS]

  and forth and not knowing how it's going [TS]

  to go because it went out so much every [TS]

  time you thought it was gonna come to [TS]

  head and just a December and she changed [TS]

  her mind again did things went on I [TS]

  thought that works where is this season [TS]

  I its spread more evenly it's more [TS]

  egalitarian in terms of screen time and [TS]

  stuff but like I forgot come on guys by [TS]

  now [TS]

  like do we know if you guys know how to [TS]

  survive a zombie apocalypse because [TS]

  you're really bad at it like yeah you [TS]

  know they're there are defensible [TS]

  positions there are correct moves there [TS]

  are better things for you to be doing [TS]

  their risks that you should not be taken [TS]

  by now I'd like well we just lost a [TS]

  third of our people again you know what [TS]

  I do you know I lost 34 people because [TS]

  you're dumb [TS]

  that's why we've we've established that [TS]

  John is the person you want to be around [TS]

  in the case of the Apocalypse because [TS]

  he's got a plan i can i can direct you [TS]

  from my orbiting headquarters and what's [TS]

  the right thing to do is executing them [TS]

  myself i have not as much faith [TS]

  alright i'll tell you what to do that's [TS]

  right from your your little uh it's like [TS]

  a James Bond plane you've got a little [TS]

  capsule but breaks off the front of the [TS]

  plane and shoots you away i'm picturing [TS]

  more like the the always in the air 747 [TS]

  from contact with your you're floating [TS]

  in the international space station just [TS]

  slow down there and then never lie [TS]

  Neverland I just continued to fly [TS]

  yeah that's good the plan yeah yeah well [TS]

  I've been like I'm walking dead and and [TS]

  for me this year has been better the [TS]

  last year I let a lot of episodes queue [TS]

  up because I just was dragging for me [TS]

  and this year that's not the case [TS]

  yeah i think this season is better than [TS]

  last season and it is difficult in the [TS]

  technology household because sunday [TS]

  night has both walking dead and dexter [TS]

  and so I watch them both and my wife [TS]

  cannot watch either of them because she [TS]

  doesn't like a scary in there too scary [TS]

  and suspenseful she doesn't [TS]

  like they build up the tension you can [TS]

  handle it so she leaves room but she [TS]

  wants to know what's going on so I have [TS]

  to explain everything is about sighs [TS]

  exactly you're a rehab now the zombies [TS]

  biting his arm [TS]

  yes I'm glad ya hoo what just happened [TS]

  something sounds like it happened to [TS]

  dexter kill someone like yeah it's just [TS]

  concerned about this Dark Passenger [TS]

  again honey it's true [TS]

  cariad well she can handle dexter a [TS]

  little more than the walking dead once [TS]

  he starts killing people she leaves the [TS]

  walking dead is really is really nothing [TS]

  to me to go or like an ally I now I [TS]

  sometimes have to remind myself that [TS]

  people will find the walking dead gory [TS]

  because yes it does not faze me anymore [TS]

  the court in particular like people [TS]

  being dyed like oh I didn't want that [TS]

  person that to be eaten but the actual [TS]

  gore and the process of eating them like [TS]

  it's happened so much now that I feel [TS]

  like I'm nothing to it to the same [TS]

  degree that the people in the show are [TS]

  so maybe that's maybe that works with [TS]

  the zombification make your skull really [TS]

  the bones is currently in it does [TS]

  apparently because you know a baseball [TS]

  bat really shouldn't cave in somebody's [TS]

  brains and well ya know this out there [TS]

  really are not interested in eating [TS]

  calcium they don't get enough calcium so [TS]

  that I think that's the main problem [TS]

  it's just you know that's why let's try [TS]

  the walking dead has to continue to have [TS]

  great performances because if I think [TS]

  per second about how zombies working the [TS]

  show i'll just go crazy oh no I getting [TS]

  sense like the second episode they they [TS]

  all get like dressed up in plastic and [TS]

  are rinsing themselves off and all that [TS]

  in case the little bit of zombie stuff [TS]

  gets in them that ship is later episodes [TS]

  there like covered in zombie goo with [TS]

  their mouths are and where they're going [TS]

  to get bitten [TS]

  that's it like you can be you can be [TS]

  inhaling that their blood and got to [TS]

  spring from their head into your mouth [TS]

  yeah you're fine but if that but if they [TS]

  touch you with their teeth out well now [TS]

  we have to shoot you in the head because [TS]

  you're going to be a zombie-like wipe [TS]

  overall in fact that already had a [TS]

  record that's like a sense this business [TS]

  unlike is it's like you ever seen like [TS]

  little little kids like playing a game [TS]

  where so long as they all agree that the [TS]

  rules have been like met [TS]

  it's ok it's like hey wait a minute [TS]

  you're supposed to be dead [TS]

  no no because I'm touching somebody [TS]

  who's touching something who's touching [TS]

  the goal [TS]

  okay i'm sorry your life then so it's [TS]

  like so imagine imagine instead that [TS]

  we're not really seeing [TS]

  zombies we're seeing like a bunch of [TS]

  like five and six-year-olds playing a [TS]

  zombie attack game and this is like a [TS]

  script that was generated by that game [TS]

  you're not infected by the zombie unless [TS]

  you think you've been infected you [TS]

  didn't you didn't you didn't touch me [TS]

  with your teeth which means I'm not [TS]

  infected [TS]

  oh I'm sorry did we break up yeah it's a [TS]

  rule ok what it was I was I was touching [TS]

  the sewer grade which means that I'm a [TS]

  mutant from zombie attacks sometimes [TS]

  yeah everything as much blood as you [TS]

  like that's not how you get it right [TS]

  there already infected like I like [TS]

  bananas as the turn of a plot was like [TS]

  okay in retrospect now that makes sense [TS]

  why these people being so careless [TS]

  they're not trying to dominicks they [TS]

  were already infected but then why are [TS]

  they still scared of being infected it [TS]

  is a conundrum [TS]

  yes it is it's a challenge I just trying [TS]

  to think about it and just enjoy [TS]

  it's almost as if they're making up this [TS]

  whole story haha it's not like the real [TS]

  zombie apocalypse would be exactly well [TS]

  like we've already got zombie I'm cells [TS]

  make no sense they're not thats washing [TS]

  machines that it's true I'm anybody in [TS]

  the trailers for a world war z [TS]

  apparently they're incredibly fast [TS]

  yes and yeah well you know and didn't [TS]

  read the book did you guys like the [TS]

  books with changes into a book show [TS]

  thing and we get thumbs up or thumbs [TS]

  down the book i like i like it's like [TS]

  it's not great literature everyday the [TS]

  whole premise of it is that it's like an [TS]

  oral history of the zombie wars so it's [TS]

  like interviews with its it's basically [TS]

  a nonfiction book is the premise it's [TS]

  interviews with people who witnessed the [TS]

  zombie wars and I enjoyed it [TS]

  oh yeah it's a it's a you know it's not [TS]

  like it's not like regular kind of novel [TS]

  yeah it's like I better than the movie [TS]

  aah yeah i can imagine and and the book [TS]

  also has a pivotal battle that happens [TS]

  in yonkers Yonkers not this time [TS]

  I something happening yeah yeah it's mel [TS]

  brooks's kid exactly how could you not [TS]

  like it wrote the book at end and yet [TS]

  when I look at the movie trailer for [TS]

  that I think I think it's like they took [TS]

  a paragraph about the battle liang cos [TS]

  ya and had made a movie of that and put [TS]

  the rest of the book and put his eye on [TS]

  the thread pattern and out of a set of [TS]

  what I will smith yeah [TS]

  yep we talk about boardwalk empire i [TS]

  watch it anyway as I could go ahead me [TS]

  no buts [TS]

  I had picked up like midway through [TS]

  season 1i think it's the only ongoing [TS]

  drama that i'm actually watching this [TS]

  this this show has reminded me how [TS]

  little drama actually watch and perhaps [TS]

  I should track that but season this is a [TS]

  spoiler spoiler free but season three [TS]

  has not been as satisfying to me is the [TS]

  previous two because it's it's still a [TS]

  great series for like kind of reasons [TS]

  that i was talking about earlier where [TS]

  it's not about you know it the the [TS]

  overall this is all about atlantic city [TS]

  and 19 in the early nineteen twenties [TS]

  and the effects of prohibition is having [TS]

  among a group a a small but diverse [TS]

  group of people central among them [TS]

  stating steve buscemi as the treasure [TS]

  the treasure of the political of the [TS]

  political party and the influence that [TS]

  he that he said that he sends out the [TS]

  what really hooked me was the [TS]

  intelligence and all the manipulation [TS]

  that that guy was doing to succeed in [TS]

  this environment and prosper in this [TS]

  environment and this is the year in [TS]

  which this this is the season in which [TS]

  things heat up considerably [TS]

  we're on one level it's no longer a [TS]

  situation in which you can succeed by [TS]

  making lots of subtle political [TS]

  maneuvers you have to start you know [TS]

  getting your hands on 3000 Thompson [TS]

  submachine guns and send them to the [TS]

  right people in order to project power [TS]

  but a lot of it is Zola it's not seeing [TS]

  those same like subtle little terns that [TS]

  really got me hooked into the series a [TS]

  couple years ago and I'd it has a lot of [TS]

  really great moments it's really great [TS]

  to see this gyp Rosetti character who is [TS]

  Justin at [TS]

  complete counterpoint to most of the [TS]

  somewhat urbane and sophisticated [TS]

  gangsters we've seen before and this guy [TS]

  is an absolute mad dog and it's fun that [TS]

  again no spoilers but the left when the [TS]

  last shots of this week's episode of gyp [TS]

  Rosetti essentially looking out upon [TS]

  what he's achieved in the most [TS]

  hysterically funny manner possible and [TS]

  yet being absolutely terrifying because [TS]

  the way that he does this underscores [TS]

  the fact that no this guy is insane he [TS]

  would he would shoot he would shoot you [TS]

  by putting a gun against his own head [TS]

  because so that you couldn't see the [TS]

  muzzle of it from from from where you're [TS]

  staring standing right now but there's [TS]

  something about this too much like [TS]

  action consequence action consequence [TS]

  action consequence there isn't a whole [TS]

  lot of that setup where you're wondering [TS]

  how we're where's the threat going to be [TS]

  coming from next how is Nucky how is [TS]

  this character going to deal with it the [TS]

  next time so I'm still I'm still [TS]

  definitely with it but I'm hoping that [TS]

  there's gonna be a a bigger payoff than [TS]

  what I've been seeing so far [TS]

  yeah they have a problem where they paid [TS]

  off a out one of the major plot lines at [TS]

  the end of the last season and they were [TS]

  faced with how to do a new beginning and [TS]

  I do like the fact that in this season [TS]

  Nucky's like personal issues that he's [TS]

  dead like his his struggles like he has [TS]

  personal issues but he mostly masters [TS]

  them and now now they're like getting [TS]

  the better of them a little bit and I [TS]

  like seeing that downfall and I do like [TS]

  how they ended in the very last time if [TS]

  you're caught up with the end yeah you [TS]

  did you saw that one right away like [TS]

  where you know where things look like [TS]

  they're really going down for Nucky but [TS]

  we know because we had seen that episode [TS]

  that actually the things that he does [TS]

  best are still there to save him he's [TS]

  not totally out to dry right so there is [TS]

  a possibility for some Redemption but i [TS]

  think this season has taught me that i [TS]

  really need more organized crime drama [TS]

  smart organized crime drama in my life [TS]

  like I really like The Sopranos and as [TS]

  kind of like you said you know action [TS]

  consequence kind of you know every [TS]

  episode something bad happens in this [TS]

  and that is kinda but i still get caught [TS]

  up in the I like mob stuff I like [TS]

  organized crime stuff and there's some [TS]

  colorful characters i like the New York [TS]

  room almost wish they would switch to [TS]

  new york for a while because i want to [TS]

  see what happens with the who are those [TS]

  two lucky luciano and his partner and [TS]

  that hole [TS]

  thing and that the whole new york [TS]

  scenario i find fascinating and nikki is [TS]

  just kind of sad at this point in and I [TS]

  want to see what's your name ? or [TS]

  whatever her name is the the wife right [TS]

  she that plot line seems to be fading [TS]

  and going off into the sunset for me and [TS]

  it's fine it's served its purpose but it [TS]

  seems like the show is shifting but they [TS]

  don't want to shift they want to sell [TS]

  the concentrate on knocking so I don't [TS]

  know that it [TS]

  anyone who ask me should i watch [TS]

  boardwalk empire tell them it starts [TS]

  really slow and it's uneven but I i [TS]

  still keep watching it so yeah I mean it [TS]

  seems that was another thing again we [TS]

  can get into spoilers but it's that [TS]

  Nucky's Nucky's wife is now like it's [TS]

  almost as if she's got her own little [TS]

  mini series Angeles got a spin-off yeah [TS]

  i mean before they get at least the [TS]

  series started off so strongly one of [TS]

  the smart things they did was they are [TS]

  not going to start off season 3 a month [TS]

  after the events of the end of season [TS]

  two going to let about a year-and-a-half [TS]

  pass so that certain people who are in [TS]

  jail and out of jail they can put a lot [TS]

  of pieces further on down the game board [TS]

  without having to really look gloriously [TS]

  go step by step by step to get people in [TS]

  this position but also the the one thing [TS]

  i really do like this the thing that [TS]

  really gets me to stay invested and [TS]

  maintain a certain amount of faith in [TS]

  that you could say that what you're [TS]

  seeing is the of yoga is that what we're [TS]

  seeing it [TS]

  Nucky's transformation is that the [TS]

  effects of the end of season two really [TS]

  have stuck with them in ways that he [TS]

  never thought would stuck with stick [TS]

  with them easy still processing things [TS]

  just like so many of the it seems like [TS]

  so many of the characters that are in [TS]

  the show now our war veterans and maybe [TS]

  by the time we get to the end of the [TS]

  series is all going to be about [TS]

  post-traumatic stress from [TS]

  post-traumatic stress disorder and how [TS]

  we just sort of gets into your head and [TS]

  influences everything that you do i [TS]

  think in the last episode hurricane [TS]

  comes and blows off the boardwalk and [TS]

  that's all it all CG anyway care why not [TS]

  day I understood the words used in that [TS]

  I just don't understand anything about [TS]

  the show but I i haven't seen the shadow [TS]

  of a cheapskate 90 pay for premium cable [TS]

  and this is an example where like the [TS]

  writing is not so much like snappy and [TS]

  witty but like at the lines are written [TS]

  to reveal insight into characters and [TS]

  their written with the expect [TS]

  expectations the viewers or intelligence [TS]

  and adults and that goes a long way to [TS]

  carry the series like very rarely and [TS]

  the show you see people doing things [TS]

  that seems stupid or silly or compressed [TS]

  air whatever they may do things that you [TS]

  don't like her that you find upsetting [TS]

  or that you know that don't take the [TS]

  story the way you wanted but it always [TS]

  seems like adults again with damaged [TS]

  adults increasingly damaged adults [TS]

  modeling their way through every it it's [TS]

  kind of a downer and I think about it I [TS]

  think about the bonds that the website [TS]

  was kind of a Down absolutely we had [TS]

  Andy get better we're talking about [TS]

  earlier where yet [TS]

  Nucky Thompson is not a nice person and [TS]

  yet somehow you want him to come through [TS]

  all of this [TS]

  okay yeah despite despite all these [TS]

  awful awful awful things and [TS]

  reprehensible things he's done like Al [TS]

  Capone Al Capone is very sympathetic the [TS]

  season you're like wait a second how [TS]

  Capone right and let's see this is all [TS]

  so weird because it's it's based it is [TS]

  based on actual events it's been a lot [TS]

  of these characters are real characters [TS]

  and interviews with the producers have [TS]

  said that [TS]

  yeah this is Al Capone but essentially [TS]

  at the moment where it we introduce them [TS]

  we're free to diverge him from away from [TS]

  like what his actual history was at the [TS]

  same time like all these new york [TS]

  mobsters you kind of have to remind [TS]

  yourself please don't look please don't [TS]

  go to Wikipedia to find out what [TS]

  happened to him after 1923 because it [TS]

  could be that this is exactly what [TS]

  happens is that this person after 9023 [TS]

  you can't you can't do that that's the [TS]

  brilliance of the game of thrones is [TS]

  that it's not actually historical so you [TS]

  can look up on Wikipedia while accepting [TS]

  all of it already happened because the [TS]

  books are in this is what is your you [TS]

  can look it up about the books head and [TS]

  supernatural comin supernatural doing [TS]

  well I thought this season and just [TS]

  talking to myself now I yea I think this [TS]

  season is [TS]

  doing better than last season was really [TS]

  rough [TS]

  no man you have to tell me I you know [TS]

  was more regular natural i'm watching [TS]

  the i'm watching the first season now [TS]

  the the first season that has it has its [TS]

  ups and downs but towards the end of [TS]

  that when it starts getting more into [TS]

  the mythology the show you did you know [TS]

  there's a guy who killed more girls in [TS]

  that show i only heard rumors or I [TS]

  thought this season has been good [TS]

  mark sheppard is back because always [TS]

  present because he's a great villain [TS]

  just saw him as a lie in a clip as [TS]

  badger in firefly because they did the [TS]

  firefly reunion on the science channel [TS]

  that was on this weekend the 10th [TS]

  anniversary which was fun how good times [TS]

  flyin channel yeah I know science [TS]

  channel science fiction channel [TS]

  apparently now too but that was kind of [TS]

  fun to relive all the firefly stuff it's [TS]

  hard to believe it's been 10 years since [TS]

  firefly was on the self-congratulatory [TS]

  and then yes with modeling but yes well [TS]

  that's was who's watching it was a good [TS]

  show [TS]

  yeah I mean who's watching it's that I [TS]

  wasn't looking for a hard-hitting [TS]

  documentary about making that money was [TS]

  showing if they were showing the clips [TS]

  from comic-con and they showed me that [TS]

  very small snippets of that showed some [TS]

  questions from the audience and I have [TS]

  to think one of the questions lost a bid [TS]

  here you all are [TS]

  why is it that you can get your acts [TS]

  together and can make sure about I don't [TS]

  know spaceships with this cast with all [TS]

  these people why don't you just like you [TS]

  know I i know it's probably stupid [TS]

  financial and writes reasons and he's [TS]

  busy doing the Avengers involved but I [TS]

  was gonna ask that question make sure [TS]

  say this i just wait no horse Olivia you [TS]

  know I saw the they did that West ring [TS]

  west wing short you know I i saw this [TS]

  with a merry a shoot like a name now the [TS]

  woman who played keep the security [TS]

  adviser McCormick's sister was running [TS]

  for a judgeship in michigan right arm [TS]

  and so they got like the entire cast of [TS]

  The West Wing to come in and basically [TS]

  reprise their characters and doesn't [TS]

  that kinda ticklish for you where you [TS]

  sometimes you kind of want to think that [TS]

  the cast of your favorite shows like [TS]

  sometimes they just they're out there [TS]

  and like their God when you're sitting [TS]

  on the sets waiting [TS]

  no I mean not just that but like you you [TS]

  like sometimes they just going out [TS]

  anyway and they play west wing right [TS]

  like a you got you guys wanna play [TS]

  firefight and it's like that you kind of [TS]

  want to believe that that happens right [TS]

  that they have like a plastic-like [TS]

  backyard playground version of The Oval [TS]

  Office statically exactly and so you [TS]

  kind of sit their jaws invite them all [TS]

  to the set of the Helicarrier while he's [TS]

  shooting of the Avengers and it's like a [TS]

  Firefly for a while you know I i watch i [TS]

  do watch castle even though it's not you [TS]

  know fabulously great because i really [TS]

  like Nathan Fillion and earlier are [TS]

  there are a ton of like firefly [TS]

  references in there was a recent episode [TS]

  couple weeks ago where they went to a [TS]

  sci-fi convention yes and it was just [TS]

  like and they're just throwing out stuff [TS]

  there because it's like they can and [TS]

  clearly he has a lot of affection [TS]

  because he knows that's the role that [TS]

  like made him write you know and and he [TS]

  seems to really enjoy that part of it [TS]

  and so it was there lying about like [TS]

  really what stuff what stuff I do you [TS]

  like him and he says you know Star Wars [TS]

  Star Trek that Joss Whedon one you know [TS]

  yeah yeah and so something like that or [TS]

  like that makes fun of a show for [TS]

  getting canceled after 13 episodes and [TS]

  you know and so you know I ice [TS]

  I think a lot of people look back on it [TS]

  fondly and and you know that's fine [TS]

  I and you but you know you kind of wish [TS]

  that I don't know that his castle on the [TS]

  air how they renewing castle because [TS]

  it's a comfortable it is ABC's it's a [TS]

  ABC went to CBS and stole their crime [TS]

  procedural every it's every it's not CBS [TS]

  is it everybody everybody's got the [TS]

  person yeah that's a BS in CBS's [TS]

  believes me when I mastered that yes [TS]

  yeah and and that is fine but like i [TS]

  don't know i mean from guys there's new [TS]

  Star Wars movies with a possible with [TS]

  the original cast coming out with 20 [TS]

  years later there's nothing to say fly [TS]

  my contacts on down like so much weight [TS]

  that Jane gain you know its name and [TS]

  adam baldwin yeah yeah yeah because her [TS]

  supporters clearly still looking like [TS]

  console but you know Star Trek came [TS]

  startech came back as a movie ten years [TS]

  out yeah but Kirk happened big jerk got [TS]

  bigger [TS]

  yes but guess what people in acid happen [TS]

  all the time said you gotta film it like [TS]

  there y'all still young and I now right [TS]

  now I know you've got to accept the [TS]

  reality of the people aged and just say [TS]

  we're going to set this 20 years later [TS]

  they're still flying around [TS]

  darn ship I want to go back I'm gonna go [TS]

  back in time back into after you have to [TS]

  go back then we have to go back there's [TS]

  a parallel universe where the firefly [TS]

  was on for five years [TS]

  we just need to create technology that [TS]

  will let us go to that parallel universe [TS]

  get the DVD set this and rejected a DVR [TS]

  that accesses shows broadcast in a [TS]

  parallel universe god I think I think [TS]

  you're just describing another really [TS]

  awful episode of family guy huh i have [TS]

  two time-traveling DVR we can record [TS]

  shows how they're really bad pilot that [TS]

  NBC is gonna run next car that was what [TS]

  if you had a DVR that lets you watch all [TS]

  the shows from other universally edition [TS]

  only was a DVD with a DVR [TS]

  that's right and no and no even the [TS]

  alternate reality ibc won't let you fast [TS]

  forward through commercials Cal [TS]

  Chandler's calculation hey there's this [TS]

  there's this great show that's on a [TS]

  parallel universe and its really [TS]

  compelling the problem is that it seems [TS]

  to be very Pro Hitler and damn really [TS]

  good [TS]

  damn so close how I got your Hitler okay [TS]

  on that note I think it's time to close [TS]

  up the fall TV review for now but [TS]

  there's been fun I've got some things I [TS]

  got some notes I've been assigned season [TS]

  one of Homeland so i'm going to watch [TS]

  that don't sound so depressed about it [TS]

  no no I'm excited about that i'm [TS]

  depressed about all the episodes of [TS]

  supernatural I have to watch but I'm [TS]

  excited about season one of Homeland so [TS]

  watch season for Dexter's well now yes [TS]

  i'll put that on the list to thank you [TS]

  thats that's a good one for dexter and [TS]

  His Dark Passenger he said he doesn't [TS]

  want to be a serial killer [TS]

  it has two buddies i used by the code of [TS]

  us to utilize Harry's code it's true [TS]

  none of us wants to be a serial killer [TS]

  damn there's are theirs are all right [TS]

  until the next episode of the [TS]

  incomparable this is jason snow [TS]

  I'd like to thank my guests comic LT I [TS]

  kind of want to be a serial killer [TS]

  okay fair enough and Aiko I just want [TS]

  extend peace and love to everybody [TS]

  that's much better than being a serial [TS]

  killer [TS]

  although serial killers say that sort of [TS]

  thing so who knows Dan Morgan thank you [TS]

  i keep watching revolution in last [TS]

  resort i think i might have a problem [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah DVR is gonna need to go into [TS]

  something [TS]

  prevention we're going to like take a [TS]

  big magnet over your DVR know and john [TS]

  sarkissian once again we have somehow [TS]

  escaped without discussing Downton Abbey [TS]

  if it's john you and i'll have it down [TS]

  Abby podcast that's right on Ivy party i [TS]

  watch it out nobody got Scott's coming [TS]

  to is you got going all set up the [TS]

  microphone and then just leave the room [TS]

  and let let Lauren beyond it with you [TS]

  guys because she's seen that we don't [TS]

  have these two but I don't know what I [TS]

  can't believe you're not watching that [TS]

  Jason had the movie better said oh you [TS]

  can't believe it I feel like I've let [TS]

  you down now you have we've secretly [TS]

  replaced your season one of home landed [TS]

  out happy that he notices the difference [TS]

  it's like firefly only which so we which [TS]

  one of the characters on Downton Abbey [TS]

  is the serial killer [TS]

  Thomas ok alright i can't wait for the [TS]

  episode where he has to actually [TS]

  technically only one person is actually [TS]

  killed somebody huh that's strong stuff [TS]

  it's just the murders just as gory but [TS]

  now it's just socially hopefully it's [TS]

  just Mary Mary's is secretly a serial [TS]

  killer [TS]

  that's my theory all right on that note [TS]

  thanks to everybody for listening to the [TS]

  incomparable and go watch some more TV I [TS]

  guess we're not watching enough [TS]

  television already so watch more of it [TS]

  see you next time [TS]

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