The Incomparable

111: These Go to Eleven

 

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  it in the cupboard get a glass every [TS]

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  quoting the movie you take a shot the [TS]

  income per little contest episode 100 mm [TS]

  october twenty plan [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  I'm your host Jason Snell and our topic [TS]

  in this episode is gonna be one of my [TS]

  favorite comedies of all time i picked [TS]

  in our movie draft a few months ago you [TS]

  might ask the question if you've got [TS]

  episode 110 where can you go from there [TS]

  and the answer is you can go that extra [TS]

  little bit to go off the cliff just turn [TS]

  it up a little bit more and you have [TS]

  episode 111 and we go to 11 now to talk [TS]

  about this is spinal tap the fine [TS]

  mockumentary directed by rob reiner from [TS]

  1983 i believe and here to join with me [TS]

  in discussing this fine piece of work [TS]

  are and Enoch oh hi Andy this is mark [TS]

  number one this is mark number bond is [TS]

  this little fun that's right i went [TS]

  obvious hydrate so if I'm Nigel you can [TS]

  be my David st. Hubbins and that makes [TS]

  ben boychuk our very own harry shearer [TS]

  or would you prefer to be Vince average [TS]

  the keyboard player now I want to be the [TS]

  lukewarm water was created for [TS]

  elaboration good that's good enough that [TS]

  i should pause recording so you can go [TS]

  off and get a cucumber and wrapping up [TS]

  for I would not use to do that I i [TS]

  already did it's a zucchini is not yeah [TS]

  because a cucumber would be bumpy and [TS]

  suggest a level of disease that a [TS]

  zucchini does not [TS]

  well you think that we can get a good [TS]

  idea of having a cucumber down there [TS]

  especially with the heat moisture is [TS]

  that you wind up with a pickle later on [TS]

  fair enough because as you know the [TS]

  catering is just this is just a shambles [TS]

  you kno oh man there's so much you know [TS]

  it one of the amazing things about this [TS]

  movie is that this is a [TS]

  this movie was made before Rob Reiner [TS]

  made the princess bride but in those two [TS]

  movies and we've covered the princess [TS]

  bride on a previous podcast as well [TS]

  two of the most quotable and quoted and [TS]

  referenced movies of all time and when i [TS]

  watched this is spinal tap back for this [TS]

  podcast i was shocked at just how many [TS]

  references I here on a regular basis and [TS]

  make on a far too regular basis to this [TS]

  is spinal tap [TS]

  so I you know I would like to sort of [TS]

  just walk through it and and talk about [TS]

  it as we do when we talk about different [TS]

  movies so this is spinal tap [TS]

  we're introduced to it by Marty Bergey [TS]

  played by Rob Reiner fine but [TS]

  documentary filmmaker who is walking as [TS]

  he introduces the movie to us he's [TS]

  walking through the most complicated and [TS]

  nonsensical movie set up ever [TS]

  it's got every piece of movie equipment [TS]

  known to man lighting some unknown seen [TS]

  there at one point is my favorite there [TS]

  are there is a series of ladders that [TS]

  are set up in order as to as if to [TS]

  create I don't even know what a [TS]

  pyramidal ladders and and from that we [TS]

  get the sense that this turns out sort [TS]

  of hack director has had stumbled upon a [TS]

  story in the life of this this this rock [TS]

  band spinal tab and I had since we're [TS]

  talking about Marty Bergey because he he [TS]

  kicks this movie off the story is that [TS]

  people thought this movie was real which [TS]

  completely blows me away because as i [TS]

  watched the first 10 minutes of what I [TS]

  thought I other than the hot and heavy [TS]

  metal fans that they interview at the [TS]

  beginning it is so clearly not [TS]

  I i guess i guess you know I think the [TS]

  thing that sells this movie as as being [TS]

  real is the that are the songs that and [TS]

  the performance of the other songs [TS]

  because those are real and the songs [TS]

  were you know they're originals and [TS]

  they're the sorts of songs maybe that [TS]

  you would get from a band like this and [TS]

  the that the actors are performing those [TS]

  songs for real and I guess that goes a [TS]

  long way because of a lot of the rest of [TS]

  it is so crazy that it just can't be [TS]

  real but [TS]

  with the songs whether they're overdub [TS]

  which they are in some parts or whether [TS]

  they're performing live as they're doing [TS]

  in one of the sound checks and in a [TS]

  couple of the interviews you know it's [TS]

  real and I guess that goes a long way [TS]

  yeah that that's something a lot of [TS]

  these like mockumentaries kind of don't [TS]

  really think they really doesn't work [TS]

  because the reality of the story they're [TS]

  telling us that this is a rock band had [TS]

  a huge success 15-20 years ago [TS]

  they're definitely write n 1020 years [TS]

  ago 15 years ago there there on the way [TS]

  but they can still like bringing a crowd [TS]

  and most mockumentaries would be well [TS]

  let's gets like stupid songs that just [TS]

  don't work people who just cant play the [TS]

  fact that they are decent musicians they [TS]

  can really play the stuff [TS]

  not only does it sell that idea but also [TS]

  you sort of get another layer in when [TS]

  you figure out that ok so they're good [TS]

  musicians they can really play and they [TS]

  can compose good songs they're probably [TS]

  the reason why they never made it to [TS]

  that next level is that they just have [TS]

  absolutely no taste whatsoever what they [TS]

  wanted to the really stupid songs about [TS]

  bottoms and sex farms and let's do a [TS]

  song about Stonehenge it'll be all like [TS]

  we'll be there huge master fiance was [TS]

  just this is this [TS]

  yeah and everything like every song [TS]

  every song that they write is like the [TS]

  doodle on the cover of anybody's trapper [TS]

  keeper with her 14 years old and a boy [TS]

  and puberty that's every single song [TS]

  with spinal tap does and and they're all [TS]

  they all sound like you know we've we've [TS]

  heard those songs by other bands for [TS]

  real that were completely straight and [TS]

  perfectly sincere in there in there you [TS]

  know in their juvenile you know sexual [TS]

  longings I mean at you know the one [TS]

  thing that after i saw this movie for [TS]

  the first time which was probably and I [TS]

  don't know 1985-86 I had a hard time [TS]

  taking going to concerts and not [TS]

  laughing excellent and tax on state [TS]

  because they were exactly the same and [TS]

  apparently i guess a number i was doing [TS]

  a little bit of reading beforehand about [TS]

  this and I I didn't realize how many [TS]

  rock and rollers watch this movie and [TS]

  either didn't get the joke or were [TS]

  where the first time or were sort of [TS]

  shocked and appalled and said this is [TS]

  liquid that that they made a movie of us [TS]

  you know this is all this is this is [TS]

  like our lives so one of the one of the [TS]

  things that's amazing about these songs [TS]

  right i saw this movie for the first [TS]

  time on video in after having heard [TS]

  about it and it being famous [TS]

  I think maybe right before I went to [TS]

  college or right right when i started in [TS]

  college and and i remember i literally [TS]

  being on the floor pounding the floor [TS]

  and crying with laughter as I watched it [TS]

  so it was it was not overhyped it lived [TS]

  up to the hype it more and more than did [TS]

  that but when you talk about the [TS]

  songwriting I mean it is that perfect [TS]

  combination these are songs the [TS]

  reasonable songs they're actually catchy [TS]

  and it's not just that they're juvenile [TS]

  but it's the it's the they they come [TS]

  across as being written by somebody who [TS]

  thinks they're being really really [TS]

  clever and and and they're not when [TS]

  there's a fine line between its City [TS]

  stupid another level with this is spinal [TS]

  tap starting with big bottom right with [TS]

  big bottom let's get it out of the way [TS]

  right at the beginning there is nothing [TS]

  subtle here and there's nothing clever [TS]

  here and it and and it's painful and yet [TS]

  incredibly catchy incredibly Cassidy [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  oh it's like it's like--there's they're [TS]

  sort of those songs songs where it's [TS]

  like as it sits like springtime for [TS]

  Hitler for the producers have to remind [TS]

  myself that I could not sing the song [TS]

  allowed i'm taking my walk if we walk [TS]

  through from the beginning I mean we are [TS]

  introduced right away to the band we get [TS]

  a David st. Hubbins on lead guitar Nigel [TS]

  tufnell on lead guitar nice right [TS]

  why have one lead guitar when you can [TS]

  have two Derek smalls on-base Harry [TS]

  Shearer and then there's a keyboard [TS]

  player in the series of drummers turns [TS]

  out a series of drummers and the first [TS]

  let's say the first thing after the [TS]

  after the opening number one first their [TS]

  interviews with a bunch of real fans and [TS]

  that is that is a real aspect of this is [TS]

  the piece [TS]

  the lady who says well I feel like you [TS]

  know that you musically connected with [TS]

  the band real person actual person you [TS]

  till you can't make this stuff up but [TS]

  then we that but then the movie launches [TS]

  with this party that is kicking them off [TS]

  on their american tour right and and [TS]

  this is that moment where I think how [TS]

  did anybody think this was this was real [TS]

  because it's because we get Fran [TS]

  Drescher as Bobby flagman who says her [TS]

  name again and again and then they put [TS]

  up the title that says her name is just [TS]

  a stupid joke but it's great and this [TS]

  has got the mind for are serving food [TS]

  and and it's inexplicably Dana Carvey [TS]

  and Billy Crystal who and they end up [TS]

  with one line each and I imagine there's [TS]

  an entire thing with the mines that just [TS]

  got completely cut out because this [TS]

  movie was famously i think five hours or [TS]

  so in running time at in its first edit [TS]

  and then they ended up cutting it to 90 [TS]

  minutes which is not unlike any [TS]

  documentary right you're gonna find the [TS]

  stories you go [TS]

  I bet especially since this was so this [TS]

  was improvisational and they got great [TS]

  people who knew how to really they [TS]

  stayed in character the whole time this [TS]

  something that really didn't like from [TS]

  the later like Christopher Guest [TS]

  mockumentaries you can tell that these [TS]

  are people who are dying to say [TS]

  something that they hope is going to [TS]

  make it into the final edit and so and [TS]

  there you can but you can get leaks [TS]

  these extended dvds that have like hours [TS]

  of additional footage and I so encourage [TS]

  you to seek out by 11 applying on ebay [TS]

  criterias the diversion that had I seems [TS]

  like every scrap of footage that that [TS]

  ever was even considered foreigners like [TS]

  five hours for the bonus stuff and i [TS]

  paid like a hundred and forty dollars [TS]

  for an eBay or something and all man [TS]

  just broke it open and watched it for [TS]

  five hours straight is that good [TS]

  so yes you see right there is there is [TS]

  backstage stuff between the two my have [TS]

  I have the I thought the criterion DVD [TS]

  the MGM DVD and now i have the blu-ray [TS]

  and all of them have some slightly [TS]

  different stuff on them the most notably [TS]

  is the criterion DVD not only doesn't [TS]

  have a raft of footage that's that cut [TS]

  from the movie although there's some [TS]

  stuff that's on the MGMT VD that isn't [TS]

  on the criterion but most of the good [TS]

  stuff including see metal argue is as [TS]

  funny as anything in the movie that we [TS]

  can get to it when we talk about Bruno [TS]

  Kirby uh-huh it [TS]

  it's also got yes actually got a [TS]

  commentary track that is by the actors [TS]

  out of character and and the the more [TS]

  readily available now DVD has got them [TS]

  doing a very funny in character [TS]

  commentary track where they're [TS]

  complaining about how this is such a [TS]

  hack job by Marty Bergey and that puts [TS]

  them in the worst possible light and it [TS]

  wasn't really like this totally easy [TS]

  he's just taking the pace he's taking [TS]

  the pace okay but um but the original is [TS]

  great because you you've got them out of [TS]

  character talking about how they made [TS]

  the movie and it's got all these amazing [TS]

  just miles and miles of uncut are of cut [TS]

  footage that is is absolutely crazy [TS]

  what else is in this ad there's a it [TS]

  Patrick mackney is in this scene as [TS]

  adenosine hog founder of cruise was [TS]

  knighted for his creating hardwood take [TS]

  summer camp for pellaeon's boys [TS]

  good grief what else what else is in [TS]

  this this is just bad bad puns we meet [TS]

  Bob black man he makes the year that and [TS]

  so tap into America and everything here [TS]

  ya go [TS]

  well no I also not wit no we we have [TS]

  like experience with like marketing [TS]

  people in PR people wasn't Bobby flagman [TS]

  so familiar to us this that one person [TS]

  who's like app like the industry party [TS]

  who wants to make sure that someone meet [TS]

  someone else and when a joke is made [TS]

  want to make sure everybody knows that [TS]

  joke was heard and appreciated the oh [TS]

  god is so great I Bobby black man Bobby [TS]

  flagman I whatever and then right after [TS]

  this we get Bruno Kirby right driving [TS]

  them in the limo and then being from LA [TS]

  one of the pleasures of this movie [TS]

  because i know you're you're from la is [TS]

  realizing that every single thing in it [TS]

  was shot in LA and it's doubling for [TS]

  every city in north america and when [TS]

  they're in the limo driving i took great [TS]

  pleasure this time and just watching out [TS]

  the window at all the things that are [TS]

  not in New York City that they drive [TS]

  fast as they do it because it was it's [TS]

  all it's basically downtown LA I'm a [TS]

  shot most of it is square blocks of [TS]

  downtown every time i'm down by the by [TS]

  LAX I [TS]

  look around and and and like spinal tap [TS]

  spinal tap spinal tap it's like that's [TS]

  atlanta that's the Detroit that's New [TS]

  York City it's all just until they get [TS]

  finally to LA at the end of the movie [TS]

  but broker be just such a bizarre [TS]

  character and hehe again we know most of [TS]

  his stuff got cut but he still has this [TS]

  wonderful thing where he where where [TS]

  they're reading uh I think tecnica is a [TS]

  Derek yes I can yes reading it now yeah [TS]

  Derek Derek I think Derek is reading yes [TS]

  i can buy I actually believe its [TS]

  position one of his groupies that that's [TS]

  for this reference [TS]

  oh you're right yeah that's right that's [TS]

  right by Sammy Davis jr. and and that [TS]

  leads / no crew Kirby the the the limo [TS]

  driver who's sitting up front with with [TS]

  Marty Bergey the director to talk about [TS]

  his favorite scene in yes i can buy [TS]

  Sammy Davis jr. involving Frank Sinatra [TS]

  it turns out that he's a an obsessive [TS]

  Frank Sinatra fan and this leads the [TS]

  band to just roll up the window between [TS]

  them and the and the driver so that they [TS]

  don't have to listen anymore he gets [TS]

  very upset because they're not really [TS]

  showing proper respect to Frank Sinatra [TS]

  and this right roll thing is a fad [TS]

  I wouldn't tell them that this is just a [TS]

  fan but in the cut seems there is a [TS]

  fantastic scene and this is what I [TS]

  commend people if you can find it and i [TS]

  believe it's actually on the blu-ray but [TS]

  it was originally just on that criterion [TS]

  collection version where Bruno Kirby I [TS]

  believe delete is busy delivering pizza [TS]

  to the hotel room he comes up to the [TS]

  hotel room that they're staying in and [TS]

  they get him high they give him my I [TS]

  think they just give them a joint in the [TS]

  anybody to get him high and and there's [TS]

  literally a smash cut spent smash cuts [TS]

  to that is under Hannah's name is black [TS]

  black little Underpants singing this [TS]

  address thinking my wife my way into [TS]

  into a pizza crust is holding a [TS]

  microphone [TS]

  and what fun happened part of what sells [TS]

  it is that now like everybody in that [TS]

  room in that scene is like laughing and [TS]

  falling down hysterically out of [TS]

  character because now now it's michael [TS]

  mckean now it's was very sheer who [TS]

  cannot believe that her curvy is killing [TS]

  it this bad this business and the last [TS]

  thing he does is he says to them now [TS]

  that's music that passes out [TS]

  that's collapse and that's it that's it [TS]

  absolutely great great / it's sad that [TS]

  it's not in the movie i understand why [TS]

  somebody the chatroom pointed out that [TS]

  if you look at the unedited version all [TS]

  that footage it's it's you know it goes [TS]

  on forever in its life listen I i [TS]

  actually agree with that i think that [TS]

  them cutting a demo is a very short [TS]

  movie it's 90 minutes long [TS]

  you know I think the reason it's a [TS]

  classic is that they were ruthless [TS]

  there's a there's a whole subplot about [TS]

  their opening act was committed because [TS]

  it ends up getting more famous and it's [TS]

  a it's a band it's a it's an all-girl [TS]

  band and that's why the migrating herpes [TS]

  sores on Derek and Nigel that you know [TS]

  which have now been taken to be like [TS]

  well you know we're sharing somebody or [TS]

  they're gay lovers whatever was like [TS]

  well no it's the subplot about this band [TS]

  that was entirely exercise from the [TS]

  movie so it's great that it's 90 minutes [TS]

  long but this is one of those scenes [TS]

  that that is it's worth finding it [TS]

  because it's just so great and I [TS]

  understand why they cut it out my I [TS]

  don't think of five hour version of this [TS]

  is spinal tap would actually be a better [TS]

  movie it but they did definitely there's [TS]

  some gems in there that they cut out [TS]

  when they're finding the story there is [TS]

  a there's a much longer version of the [TS]

  scene it just in the limo were Bruno [TS]

  Kirby is going on at some length about [TS]

  Frank Sinatra's life and I a lot of the [TS]

  stuff is on youtube by the way I'm sure [TS]

  I'm and it doesn't in the end the longer [TS]

  seen with because i watched it the other [TS]

  day after i rewatched the movie and it [TS]

  yeah it's not as good [TS]

  it's not as tight mean you can [TS]

  understand why I just wanted to riff at [TS]

  length because they got a lot of great [TS]

  stuff out of it but [TS]

  in seeing included also that the the [TS]

  subplot with the dose was the name of [TS]

  and fri and yeah and there's a there's [TS]

  like a 17-minute cut of that on youtube [TS]

  in the footage is not very good with the [TS]

  quality the quality of its not they're [TS]

  going up with spinal tap is going down [TS]

  and and in the end it's I think not only [TS]

  a more plot to them this movie really [TS]

  required but yeah it's i think its own [TS]

  little pleasure to watch spinal tap go [TS]

  down I don't think you really need to [TS]

  contrast it i mean other than when they [TS]

  run into howard hesseman in the in the [TS]

  Kansas City holiday inn or wherever they [TS]

  are and and and he's obviously a [TS]

  megastar whose past he's gonna sell up [TS]

  your normal dome up [TS]

  he's the man he's the best in the world [TS]

  right right and make sure won't even [TS]

  talk to them but he's that he's the [TS]

  manager right so that that's all you [TS]

  need [TS]

  I mean that tells the story do you need [TS]

  this kind of their going up while we're [TS]

  going down kind of plot at all and you [TS]

  really need that kind of a plot in this [TS]

  movie anyway it's clear that spinal tap [TS]

  it is and their audience is becoming [TS]

  increasingly selective as it goes on the [TS]

  the key part of that scene that they [TS]

  could that they kept in is you can tell [TS]

  they've got their glasses they're dark [TS]

  glasses on there trying to be [TS]

  conspicuous because they remember what [TS]

  it was like during those four months of [TS]

  the late 1960s when they were you being [TS]

  chased by by the public and they [TS]

  couldn't there never was asking them for [TS]

  autographs but as soon as they see these [TS]

  girls from the other end of the corridor [TS]

  so oh my god it's you that uh oh here it [TS]

  comes here it cab there glee there so [TS]

  thrilled to be recognized but know that [TS]

  run right past them because they [TS]

  recognize the young rocks of the wrong [TS]

  going rock store when people talk about [TS]

  this movie they talk about spinal tap [TS]

  being this legendarily you know bad [TS]

  heavy metal band and I mean away [TS]

  Marty Bergey puts it at the very [TS]

  beginning is that they're well known for [TS]

  being one of England's loudest bands [TS]

  that's there that's the claim to fame is [TS]

  the volume level not any other [TS]

  proficiency about them but when when you [TS]

  watch the movie it there's a much more [TS]

  cutting commentary about them that I [TS]

  think people don't talk about when they [TS]

  talk about this movie which is that they [TS]

  are [TS]

  brazen ripoff artists they're basically [TS]

  chasing whatever genre will be the most [TS]

  successful for them and this doesn't you [TS]

  know it's very easy to think back about [TS]

  spinal tap and think of them as this [TS]

  heavy metal band but we see I mean [TS]

  starting with the fact that they're [TS]

  going to be the originals and they have [TS]

  to change the name to the new originals [TS]

  because there's already a band called [TS]

  the originals but then we see they've [TS]

  got the listen to the flower people wear [TS]

  their where the where the psychedelic [TS]

  band they've got give me some give me [TS]

  some money whether the Thames minh and [TS]

  the red Begley is running and they're [TS]

  there they're all clean-cut in that [TS]

  version right and so you see as as you [TS]

  go that they are you know shameless in [TS]

  changing John Rah's to find a hit or [TS]

  shit you know with which i think i think [TS]

  that gets lost and I think it's funny [TS]

  now what was funny since then is that [TS]

  now they're kind of locked in as being [TS]

  viewed it retro actively is this heavy [TS]

  metal band that the guys in the movie [TS]

  have gone and played lots of live dates [TS]

  a spinal tap but one of the jokes about [TS]

  spinal tap is that they just have no [TS]

  they're they're frauds in essentially [TS]

  they'll do whatever and play whatever [TS]

  kind of music and the fact that this [TS]

  heavy metal this rough heavy metal band [TS]

  is doing sex farm and big bottom is the [TS]

  same people who did listen to the flower [TS]

  people and give me some money is [TS]

  ridiculous but that doesn't that kind of [TS]

  underscore the idea that the only reason [TS]

  why they're in the in the rock and roll [TS]

  is to get won't get teenage girls and so [TS]

  even though like they're now at it [TS]

  during the during the movie they must be [TS]

  what their early thirties maybe mid [TS]

  thirties so there are there will always [TS]

  be playing whatever style of music that [TS]

  teenage girls go to concerts for right [TS]

  and there and there are there their [TS]

  audiences entirely teenage boys right [TS]

  because the the glue young women are [TS]

  terrified because they have armadillos [TS]

  in their trial to drink haha don't mind [TS]

  if I do [TS]

  that's good that's good well they at the [TS]

  end they talk about we don't want to be [TS]

  you know in our mid forties still doing [TS]

  this this is our opportunity to do [TS]

  something different and all those [TS]

  projects that we talked about doing with [TS]

  our lives which of course is immediately [TS]

  change by the fact that [TS]

  sex farmers on the charts in japan so [TS]

  much for that if they can still make [TS]

  money doing this this this racket [TS]

  they'll just keep on doing it because [TS]

  that's that's really you know that's [TS]

  really what they're about is do whatever [TS]

  they can to keep to keep on going [TS]

  I think that they there the the secret [TS]

  to the group is that they just will have [TS]

  never progressed beyond age 20 and that [TS]

  if it were as any other band or most [TS]

  other musicians a point at which they [TS]

  realize that oh for God's sakes and I'm [TS]

  basically is barely scratching out a [TS]

  living [TS]

  although I can barely get an audience [TS]

  together i'm having no success [TS]

  whatsoever like finding like five foot [TS]

  building something that's new in my own [TS]

  I should sort of give up the dream a [TS]

  little bit you know play guitar on the [TS]

  weekends but find something else to do [TS]

  with my life now these people are always [TS]

  going to be doing that same thing so [TS]

  long as there is any chance they could [TS]

  maintain this illusion that they are [TS]

  eight a successful rock band they're [TS]

  going to do it if that means going to go [TS]

  into Japan they're gonna go to japan i [TS]

  wanted to talk about musical styles 11 [TS]

  last point I wanted to make which I I [TS]

  while watching Stonehenge that that [TS]

  somebody in the chat room was saying how [TS]

  they're not that knowledgeable about [TS]

  about heavy metal and so some of the [TS]

  jokes [TS]

  didn't you know maybe maybe went over [TS]

  their head i'm not particularly [TS]

  knowledgeable about heavy metal uh I [TS]

  other than just sort of in general the [TS]

  stereotypes of it which for me work just [TS]

  fine and I've heard some of the famous [TS]

  stories the scene where where the where [TS]

  the complaining about the large cold [TS]

  cuts with the small pieces of bread as a [TS]

  reference to you know endless stories [TS]

  about different musicians writers and [TS]

  getting upset that there are you know [TS]

  only brown Eminem's or no brown Eminem's [TS]

  or anything like that but the one [TS]

  reference that I that I get now that I [TS]

  didn't get the first time that I saw [TS]

  this movie is a is Stonehenge you know [TS]

  people people say Donald happens a [TS]

  parody of heavy metal but you know [TS]

  listen to the flower people is not it's [TS]

  a comparative a different genre give me [TS]

  some money is not and Stonehenge is a [TS]

  prog-rock you know really with all the [TS]

  makeup and the that they're wearing and [TS]

  the and the set its Genesis you know [TS]

  that's a that's a generous [TS]

  sis or Peter Gabriel era Genesis or [TS]

  other prog rock band from them from the [TS]

  mid-seventies that they're doing they're [TS]

  so it suggests that they also tried that [TS]

  Avenue to see if they could make that [TS]

  work and that didn't work either so they [TS]

  went back to sex farm and and it's great [TS]

  and having having heard more of that [TS]

  music now than when I first saw it that [TS]

  the Stonehenge seen it is a little bit [TS]

  more resonant because I can laugh about [TS]

  the pretension and you know the costumes [TS]

  and the makeup and all those things that [TS]

  those bands that you know your Genesis [TS]

  and king crimson and bands like that did [TS]

  in the seventies so that made me laugh [TS]

  on another level then adjust the very [TS]

  small person who might have crushed the [TS]

  very small statue that there is [TS]

  something that I wanted to mention that [TS]

  it may be you know before they go to to [TS]

  Philadelphia and ride in the limousine [TS]

  with with the with Bruno Kirby you know [TS]

  there throughout the movie there are [TS]

  these these you know you when you made [TS]

  the point before about you know [TS]

  depicting their decline you didn't need [TS]

  to contrast it with that subplot with [TS]

  the with the other band that was rising [TS]

  I mean there are these little things [TS]

  throughout the movie and before they go [TS]

  to Philadelphia you know in faith their [TS]

  manager comes to them as well we're not [TS]

  really going to saturate new york city [TS]

  we're gonna go to Philadelphia that's a [TS]

  real rock and roll town and and that's [TS]

  the first of several sets references [TS]

  throughout the welcome mat classic i was [TS]

  in Boston last weekend and literally [TS]

  walking down the street with with the [TS]

  Dan Morgan and and Phillip Michaels and [TS]

  and and we made that very reference that [TS]

  you know it's don't worry it's not a big [TS]

  college down not a big college town this [TS]

  week should do this way out of booze we [TS]

  should do this for every episode i love [TS]

  this we should what was it that that'll [TS]

  that'll be able to live with this like [TS]

  pee-wee's playhouse we'll do a secret [TS]

  word the remember every time you hear [TS]

  the word sticker drink real loud my [TS]

  theory on spinal tap is is mostly that [TS]

  they really did stop developing it's not [TS]

  so much that they're chasing after all [TS]

  kinds of new directions or that they're [TS]

  always 34 years behind [TS]

  inside part of it is just that they try [TS]

  to live in this moment in which the the [TS]

  in which they are there they will always [TS]

  be able to Mabel maybe get 300 maybe 500 [TS]

  people inside a group it's inside venue [TS]

  they can they can maybe support maybe a [TS]

  tour of five or six very carefully [TS]

  chosen venues and i'm not sure if it's [TS]

  declining so much as this is the bottom [TS]

  this is where they want up and this is [TS]

  this is this is the point at which that [TS]

  the bus is moving so slowly that they [TS]

  can either continue to grab the bus at [TS]

  4.5 miles an hour and get nowhere or at [TS]

  this point they can safely jump off the [TS]

  bus and go someplace else but they're [TS]

  just choose to keep writing that sleight [TS]

  is the question that there you know is [TS]

  it bad necessarily you know it i think [TS]

  it's a good question that that is spinal [TS]

  tap just becoming more selective I mean [TS]

  it's such a it's just a funny line from [TS]

  en where he's trying to plant paint a [TS]

  good picture about the fact that they [TS]

  used to be able to fill arenas and they [TS]

  can't now but there are lots of musical [TS]

  artists that I mean this is the curve a [TS]

  musical artist is necessarily that they [TS]

  go from being big hits two residing in [TS]

  the where they know where they now file [TS]

  being daily like a yes that's doing I [TS]

  think thank you three or is it or is it [TS]

  that you end up at that it's the feeling [TS]

  like what we used to be big and now [TS]

  we're we're small small can be good if [TS]

  you've gotten lots of musical artists do [TS]

  really well with a very small audience [TS]

  but there is this feeling like are they [TS]

  really small or are they just done well [TS]

  that's it well that's that that's a good [TS]

  commentary on what know what it's like [TS]

  to be a musician today and what famous [TS]

  really like where if you were to talk [TS]

  about the the pinnacle of success and [TS]

  fame used to be Charles Schultz and [TS]

  peanuts everybody on the planet would be [TS]

  able to know who knows who Charles [TS]

  Schulz's those few who maybe don't they [TS]

  know Snoopy is and Charlie Brown the [TS]

  concept of pulling away the football the [TS]

  last second and the security blanket [TS]

  that kind of every single newspaper City [TS]

  newspaper has that that stripping [TS]

  everybody has heard of it [TS]

  now the pinnacle of success is something [TS]

  like the oatmeal or something like [TS]

  player versus player where I was [TS]

  surprised that there's just a 34 years [TS]

  ago when I was [TS]

  talking to like 5 600 people and just as [TS]

  an experiment so how many people have [TS]

  heard of neil gaiman I'm thinking here [TS]

  there's no writer more famous than Neil [TS]

  Gaiman out of 5 her people which is I [TS]

  would admittedly diverse in age of 50 [TS]

  people maybe a dozen maybe two dozen [TS]

  raise their hands and yet he ended it by [TS]

  every measure of success he is immensely [TS]

  successful so maybe if if they remade [TS]

  this movie today or if they decided to [TS]

  do another sequel to spinal tap [TS]

  they could do a thing where they're [TS]

  still filling just their only feeling [TS]

  like thousand see clubs 2000c clubs but [TS]

  they're playing like 200 gigs gigs a [TS]

  year and they're making lots and lots [TS]

  and lots don't like Jonathan Coulton [TS]

  right they've got they've got their [TS]

  audience and it's not a huge audience [TS]

  but they're they're famous in their [TS]

  little in their little area whatever see [TS]

  if they can find that and that's the [TS]

  question I have about spinal tap [TS]

  watching the night in the movie is that [TS]

  you know and that's sort of i think [TS]

  basically what happens at the end as [TS]

  well no there is still an audience [TS]

  somewhere for spinal there'll always be [TS]

  an audience somewhere for them and but [TS]

  they're never going to be big but maybe [TS]

  maybe it doesn't [TS]

  maybe doesn't matter if they just gotta [TS]

  that more selective audience they might [TS]

  be okay doing county fairs and look at [TS]

  some of these these groups that are [TS]

  doing county fairs now you think like [TS]

  God how is that possible last chance to [TS]

  see journey at the at the local county [TS]

  fair and I feel really bad about it [TS]

  that's the that's the only thing that [TS]

  the only positive thing I see coming [TS]

  from this widespread like casino [TS]

  gambling all these rooms that now not [TS]

  now here we're if any money has a game [TS]

  anybody great kid has a place to play [TS]

  yeah flock of seagulls if they can find [TS]

  two more people to replace the two [TS]

  people who went into life insurance and [TS]

  I very specifically asked for it to be [TS]

  Neil Gaiman and puppet show [TS]

  ok we'll give you that there you go i [TS]

  love the there's a great bit that really [TS]

  is like a Saturday Night Live sketch [TS]

  that is rob reiner reading fake a handle [TS]

  reviews of their album after them and [TS]

  it's such a wonderful couple of minutes [TS]

  because they they mocked up these fake [TS]

  album covers including intravenous to [TS]

  Milo which is like a statue [TS]

  with with the i might be bad for them [TS]

  with your homemade god it's so great and [TS]

  it has it has the the classic and you [TS]

  can also if you watch the reactions [TS]

  here's a key in this movie watch watch [TS]

  don't watch the person you're supposed [TS]

  to watch watch everybody else because it [TS]

  was largely improvised and there are so [TS]

  many moments where they're laughing and [TS]

  you know they're just laughing because [TS]

  it's funny and not because the character [TS]

  would let me try to cover it up and in [TS]

  this scene [TS]

  Rob Reiner is killing them desperately [TS]

  treading water and a/c over pre-recorded [TS]

  so great about that entertaining the [TS]

  Gospel according to spinal tap where [TS]

  where he said what David i create spinal [TS]

  tap and couldn't have rested on that day [TS]

  but the pinnacle it as a journalist I [TS]

  find it especially fantastic is when the [TS]

  shark sandwich review is simply shit [TS]

  sandwich to which group back at ya ya [TS]

  know that our way that out now it's [TS]

  possible but that would be you know [TS]

  you're just you're just making fun of us [TS]

  that you made that up that's not real [TS]

  it's so great and the cover sharks and [TS]

  which is great because it's a sandwich [TS]

  with white bread except the top of the [TS]

  sandwiches like the top of an ocean and [TS]

  there's a shark fin and what is so [TS]

  terrible and it's so funny so i love [TS]

  that that that's a that's a great but if [TS]

  you watch christopher guest you'll see [TS]

  that he's dying during that whole thing [TS]

  because they're all they're all hearing [TS]

  these for the very first time is your [TS]

  brother kept them secret yet so we [TS]

  should talk about the cover there's an [TS]

  ongoing plot about the cover of smell [TS]

  the glove which is the new album that's [TS]

  going to be coming out from spinal tap [TS]

  as this but they've recorded it and now [TS]

  they're gonna tour to support it but [TS]

  it's been delayed because the big the [TS]

  big record stores don't want to handle [TS]

  it because the album [TS]

  it features a woman on all fours grease [TS]

  a greased naked lady on all fours with a [TS]

  chain wearing a dog collar with a chain [TS]

  leading that man's and that has a [TS]

  leather glove pressed into her face to [TS]

  make has smell it you don't see that as [TS]

  offensive as 1983 for God because they [TS]

  wanted to do what what what what's the [TS]

  what's the problem with it though [TS]

  well comparable [TS]

  compared to what I you know we were [TS]

  around during the early eighties we've [TS]

  seen album covers that the problem is [TS]

  that like spinal tap is not a huge band [TS]

  the problem the problem is that if if [TS]

  you if you are like Motorhead or if you [TS]

  if you are like guns and roses at their [TS]

  apex of their selling power all that of [TS]

  course is a line to give they could they [TS]

  could have like shoved it right down [TS]

  their throats but no there's a point [TS]

  where they play that what Ricky flame or [TS]

  whatever who's the guy that they meet in [TS]

  the hotel lobby that his last out his [TS]

  new album is he was he was tied with [TS]

  table with volleys all these little bit [TS]

  maybe was living there like so totally [TS]

  different huh [TS]

  it's it was due coming today we can [TS]

  thank you to your name thank you very [TS]

  much [TS]

  yes and it but some people say that the [TS]

  original cover of smell the glove is [TS]

  sexist but I say what's wrong with being [TS]

  sexy [TS]

  what's wrong with being sexy sex ace [TS]

  those are you two doing this is not wait [TS]

  wait don't tell me when spinal tap made [TS]

  their big comeback in 1992 I am I got a [TS]

  press pass to go cover their drummer [TS]

  auditions at the los angeles college in [TS]

  and it was kind of sad because there [TS]

  were all these you mean there were [TS]

  hundreds of you know aspiring [TS]

  professional drummers lined up there and [TS]

  that thing turned out to be total BS [TS]

  because I mean there wasn't just you [TS]

  know it basically it was a gimmick to [TS]

  get a lot of people out and they ended [TS]

  up using a lot of a lot of more famous [TS]

  drummers on their tour to you know its [TS]

  guests premium Mick Fleetwood was one [TS]

  but um I got to set it with the press [TS]

  and you know i was still in college at [TS]

  the time so I had no compunction about [TS]

  you know behaving slightly [TS]

  unprofessionally and I got all their [TS]

  autographs and but but when I i put the [TS]

  the PR photo in front of in front of [TS]

  Christopher gas tonight and he signed [TS]

  thing and I said that there's there's [TS]

  nothing wrong with being sexy and he [TS]

  looked at me in and it wasn't he had [TS]

  this most bewildered look on his face it [TS]

  wasn't like it wasn't like it was it [TS]

  wasn't like the look you're [TS]

  have somebody who was thinking of Christ [TS]

  this is the 400 time I've heard this [TS]

  it was more like what are you talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  but anyway there's nothing wrong with [TS]

  being sexy and and that's how i got to [TS]

  spinal taps autograph but Tom days did [TS]

  they sign in character [TS]

  oh yeah I did no but on but for years I [TS]

  thought that the that cover that the [TS]

  cover that they were discussing that was [TS]

  so controversial I thought it was [TS]

  supposed to be based on there's this [TS]

  notorious covered of an album the [TS]

  Scorpions put out called virgin killer [TS]

  which had a at basically a naked [TS]

  underage girl on it and nobody in the [TS]

  United States was going to carry it if [TS]

  they had it that way so it was replaced [TS]

  with just a picture of the band but then [TS]

  I read today that it was supposedly [TS]

  based on a different album a Whitesnake [TS]

  album that i had never heard of called [TS]

  love hunter which features a naked woman [TS]

  sort of being assaulted and it's an [TS]

  illustration of a naked woman being [TS]

  threatened by a giant Cobra white a [TS]

  white snake you're saying yeah yeah and [TS]

  so but there's got to be mean there's [TS]

  probably half a dozen or a dozen album [TS]

  covers that that whole controversy could [TS]

  have been based upon because that was [TS]

  just kind of the cheesy albums that you [TS]

  you saw back in those days [TS]

  well what's funny now is that actually [TS]

  the history of the band has gotten a [TS]

  little bit mixed up because of that what [TS]

  ben says in 1992 they they did this [TS]

  essentially 10th anniversary thing and [TS]

  and they released an album break like [TS]

  the wind and a tour and break like the [TS]

  wind is strange because it contains [TS]

  songs that are referred to in the movie [TS]

  but we're never seen so so there's been [TS]

  it's it's this weird kind of like if [TS]

  you're in the continuity of spinal tap [TS]

  it's a little bit weird because it's got [TS]

  its got songs that you didn't at you [TS]

  didn't actually hear but were referenced [TS]

  by name or the album was referenced by [TS]

  name and this song is supposedly from [TS]

  the album it doesn't come across as it [TS]

  being entirely a new albums [TS]

  final tab but it's sort of like some new [TS]

  songs from spinal tap and a bunch of [TS]

  things that you you know from the [TS]

  greatest hits catalog that they're [TS]

  bringing to you and it's it's gotten so [TS]

  strange that actually the blu-ray the [TS]

  cover the blu-ray is the promo art from [TS]

  break like the wind so it's not even [TS]

  from 1982 is from 1992 various very [TS]

  strange to keep track of sort of like [TS]

  what what goes where in spinal tap and [TS]

  spinal tap Lord because they've been [TS]

  they decided after it became such a cult [TS]

  hit to go back in and sort of start [TS]

  coloring in you know some of the margins [TS]

  and filling in some of the pieces that [TS]

  weren't there and and I think it's kind [TS]

  of hard to keep track of what's in what [TS]

  was in the movie and what's all kind of [TS]

  like supplemental material from a decade [TS]

  or more later that there's a great line [TS]

  from some interview with Harry Shearer [TS]

  and which they they talk about the [TS]

  popularity of spinal tap as a live band [TS]

  and he says oh it's great because every [TS]

  week every day every time we will [TS]

  probably come to town we pretend to be [TS]

  spinal tap in these like 2,000 people [TS]

  pretend to be our fans and everybody has [TS]

  a good time [TS]

  yes it no one gets hurt some people get [TS]

  paid [TS]

  it's alright there's nothing wrong with [TS]

  that tiny bread in the dressing room we [TS]

  talked about just it's it's a great [TS]

  scene because that is that Nigel yes I [TS]

  is this choke it's just a travel plastic [TS]

  about this thing that can be reasoned [TS]

  out by a child but to him the fact that [TS]

  you could you have to fold the meat but [TS]

  you cannot fold the bread or the bread [TS]

  breaks is infuriating to him and he [TS]

  demands get me get me new bread i want [TS]

  large bread and what the small of a [TS]

  properly prophet saws bread so we can [TS]

  wind up with you eat this [TS]

  that's what would see but is it that the [TS]

  one of the brilliant thing or maybe the [TS]

  oversight thing is that some of the [TS]

  lodge you could sort of see where half [TS]

  the logic is like with the legendary [TS]

  scene where Nigel issuing Martinez [TS]

  guitar collection its and that's where [TS]

  and then that's where you see you see [TS]

  like the top of the Marshall amp that [TS]

  goes to 11 and where he's trying to [TS]

  explain well you have need that extra [TS]

  push sure you've got all the way up all [TS]

  the way up all the way up what he got [TS]

  from that now we're so we've got you [TS]

  just we can just turn these things to 11 [TS]

  and Marty try to explain [TS]

  well why don't you just have 10 be the [TS]

  top number and that the top number you [TS]

  just make that a little louder and it's [TS]

  still 10 but it's a little bit louder [TS]

  and you seem like just chewing gum [TS]

  starting at the top and repeating these [TS]

  go to eleven and and it actually did [TS]

  take me when I remember seeing the first [TS]

  time that but 11 is a higher number than [TS]

  10 what is he talking about [TS]

  and then I've had had my Nigel moment I [TS]

  realized oh he's saying okay 10 is just [TS]

  10 is not an absolute scale of loudness [TS]

  as as as as certified by the Greenwich [TS]

  Observatory is just an arbitrary number [TS]

  that could be an open it is you know [TS]

  this is the famous joke are famous punch [TS]

  line from this movie and what's amazing [TS]

  about it is in that one sentence that [TS]

  Rob Reiner says it the logic and a logic [TS]

  is completely unpacked it's not as if [TS]

  the audience is left to laugh at the [TS]

  ridiculousness of the fact that what you [TS]

  know you could just make it louder and [TS]

  make ten be the louder sound but but he [TS]

  says the line and it is it is really [TS]

  perfectly phrased that it that it [TS]

  encapsulates everything that that it [TS]

  makes no sense about this and all Nigel [TS]

  can do at that point is respond with but [TS]

  it's one louder [TS]

  I've tried to explain that joke to [TS]

  people and I can never do with the [TS]

  Justice of just what Rob Reider says [TS]

  that makes that exist without killing [TS]

  the joke he explains the show completely [TS]

  and it still leads to the best line in [TS]

  the movie [TS]

  ya see that it's it's that's why [TS]

  improvisational comedy like this you [TS]

  have to have people who are really good [TS]

  at it and know what the who get it who [TS]

  know what the point is because this is a [TS]

  beautiful scene because part of what [TS]

  makes it so funny is the pauses the [TS]

  silences and when you see it being done [TS]

  badly like me on youtube with people who [TS]

  think they can be do a spinal tap type [TS]

  movie they know one at any time there's [TS]

  a pause somebody wants to jump in there [TS]

  with this line they just thought of as [TS]

  opposed to everybody to working together [TS]

  to realize that oh wait no all of us in [TS]

  character are trying to listen to figure [TS]

  out what this guy just said it will be [TS]

  funny if none of us get it it can't be [TS]

  played it must be play don't even look [TS]

  at it can be played [TS]

  I wasn't looking at you what a point [TS]

  at that point this mess this was never [TS]

  been applied everything so it still got [TS]

  the old tag on it again again legend it [TS]

  right you you do get the sense that [TS]

  there are some scenes in this movie that [TS]

  it's just let's write down all the [TS]

  legendary rock stories like the guy who [TS]

  bought if they are and they never played [TS]

  it because it was too perfect and could [TS]

  never be played and and then just take [TS]

  them off and and sprinkle them [TS]

  throughout this movie in these little [TS]

  tiny vignettes and that scene is so [TS]

  great as he goes through it because the [TS]

  amps in there in the guitars in there [TS]

  just great stuff so we get we get a ends [TS]

  cricket bat at one point there's a very [TS]

  tough very strange thing we're in faith [TS]

  the manager explains about how useful it [TS]

  is that he has a quick bat and then [TS]

  we're treated to a montage where he [TS]

  pushes some things off the table and [TS]

  then some actions that old TV any he [TS]

  also showed that thing into some poor [TS]

  kids neck for she's just sort of gently [TS]

  backstage but you as a manager you have [TS]

  a cricket bat and and of course because [TS]

  we've all seen the outtakes we know we [TS]

  know that this is actually supposed to [TS]

  be something something much cooler so it [TS]

  was supposed to be was that they did it [TS]

  hold the lead see this in the same hotel [TS]

  room with this scene that was shot like [TS]

  to take place right after their they [TS]

  hear cups and cakes being played on the [TS]

  radio and they're all excited hey we're [TS]

  getting airplay and then of course the [TS]

  scene ends with Harry Shearer is the DJ [TS]

  say oh yeah going all the way back to [TS]

  nineteen sixty-eight with the Thames [TS]

  with friends with the times but they [TS]

  later changed their name to spinal tap [TS]

  file them in the where are they now file [TS]

  well it's 43 the NPM so they're also [TS]

  there they'll get so depressed that e [TS]

  ven is trying to get them all excited [TS]

  again trying to get some other doldrums [TS]

  so this is just hey let's trash the [TS]

  hotel rooms and it knocks over the lab [TS]

  you finally you wise up like was cricket [TS]

  back trashin the hotel room himself [TS]

  because the others can't get X can't get [TS]

  the energy up to even like break of a [TS]

  make their manager to the trashing for [TS]

  them then it's this is this is that this [TS]

  is where this is the dark turn right [TS]

  we're big in showing us a cricket bat [TS]

  about the time when the gigs are getting [TS]

  cancelled left and right we hear that [TS]

  their residing the where that no file [TS]

  they take the trip to Graceland which [TS]

  leads to a reference that I've got to [TS]

  say I you [TS]

  news on a on a regular basis which is [TS]

  the first off they try to sing [TS]

  Heartbreak Hotel in harmony and it's a [TS]

  complete disaster because they're [TS]

  completely incapable of doing that well [TS]

  since my baby left me no no probably [TS]

  better if it's in the same key benefit [TS]

  what does that go wrong ganas the line [TS]

  that kills me everytime is well this [TS]

  puts it in perspective that too much [TS]

  fucking person I was when the print I [TS]

  can't use that all the time it's got all [TS]

  the time that's nothing much what is a [TS]

  context in which you would use that i [TS]

  missed an example what what how would [TS]

  you use that is some something bad that [TS]

  it that needs to be put in perspective [TS]

  80 comes you would be surprised it comes [TS]

  up where they're like you know and and [TS]

  this puts uh you know this puts the the [TS]

  needs of our parents were as they go [TS]

  into nursing homes into perspective and [TS]

  I say to my motherfucking perspective [TS]

  that is how I what every time it works [TS]

  it's brilliant boy i'm gonna have to do [TS]

  some bleeping out for this episode but [TS]

  that's fine [TS]

  haha it's rated R movie folks you can't [TS]

  hear bad words that you know on that [TS]

  point though on that are rated point you [TS]

  know watching it again the other day [TS]

  it's a tame are real well yeah I mean [TS]

  that kind of there's not there's not [TS]

  really a lot of nudity there are there [TS]

  drugs happening but mostly in the [TS]

  background [TS]

  yeah there there it's implied right [TS]

  groupies and all that but it is it is i [TS]

  mean the more most horrific thing in it [TS]

  is the sweater that Janine makes for [TS]

  David with this planet with rings and [TS]

  moons on that is practically x-rated [TS]

  because it's so horrible but otherwise [TS]

  yeah it's pretty time except when we had [TS]

  the there's some now some of the [TS]

  outtakes [TS]

  oh yeah i mean if you look at some of [TS]

  the outtakes and there's some some it's [TS]

  a lot more decadent in the outtakes but [TS]

  the movie itself is actually there's [TS]

  some [TS]

  some instances of some bad language but [TS]

  for the most part I was kind of [TS]

  surprised watching it again in 1983 I [TS]

  think the mean obviously the language [TS]

  puts it over the top it would even today [TS]

  and then probably the all of the implied [TS]

  drug use would have been hard for the [TS]

  ratings board to swallow in 1983 [TS]

  although not by today's two terms it is [TS]

  shockingly came because if a movie like [TS]

  this made today would presumably have [TS]

  more obvious drug use and way more [TS]

  nudity and sex then at least implied and [TS]

  and hinted at and even shown a little [TS]

  bit where is there's really not that's [TS]

  not the kind of movie I think maybe the [TS]

  makers of this movie were you know tamer [TS]

  than their characters would be but and [TS]

  they did cut a lot of stuff out to ya [TS]

  know or or it's just that wasn't there [TS]

  it's not there today and it might not [TS]

  have been as money and i'll also i think [TS]

  that this this is why the commentary [TS]

  track is so good because you know you [TS]

  can see how much they thought out every [TS]

  single sort of thing to make it today [TS]

  they knew they were only workers comedy [TS]

  if it seem like this could really be [TS]

  happening and so I think that was [TS]

  Michael McCann who was talking about [TS]

  things like drug use the same we decided [TS]

  that their problem there's probably [TS]

  going to be some drug use but they would [TS]

  be shrewd enough to know that there are [TS]

  things I should not be doing on camera [TS]

  right and so that's why this document [TS]

  would never cat catch them doing [TS]

  something that's a little bit too out [TS]

  there right right i would imagine a [TS]

  modern version of this there would be a [TS]

  little more of a you know Brody Brody [TS]

  discovered with her her shirt off or [TS]

  something like that that would be to [TS]

  ously present but but you're right i [TS]

  mean in the documentary concede one of [TS]

  the tricks and obviously christopher [TS]

  guest went on to make a series of more [TS]

  documentary comedies fake documentary [TS]

  comedies you eat part of the conceit is [TS]

  that these are subjects that know [TS]

  they're being filmed and they behave [TS]

  accordingly so um I wanna let's see what [TS]

  else is on my list here I wanted to talk [TS]

  for a second about Harry Shearer in [TS]

  general because he doesn't get as much [TS]

  notice and yet does some wonderful work [TS]

  as the befuddled Derek smalls who is the [TS]

  lukewarm water to the fire of Nigel in [TS]

  the ice and [TS]

  David and there is no point i think that [TS]

  is greater for harry shearer than the [TS]

  rock-and-roll creation scene which is [TS]

  also very prog-rock another prog-rock [TS]

  number where they come they emerge from [TS]

  pods and Harry Shearer spent the entire [TS]

  number trying to escape from his pod as [TS]

  a roadie hammers on it and brings a [TS]

  blowtorch and he's still playing his [TS]

  part as this all happens right and you [TS]

  know Harry Shearer is great in this it's [TS]

  such a strange part the bass player [TS]

  always kind of a peculiar part of a band [TS]

  i remember in that the movie I like a [TS]

  lot that thing you do you know which [TS]

  again is two characters with a in a band [TS]

  who got a creative conflict and then [TS]

  there's the bass player and he lives on [TS]

  another planet and and Harry Shearer in [TS]

  this movie is kind of like that but but [TS]

  so great and the scene where he's stuck [TS]

  in a pod is a is a classic because he's [TS]

  trying to keep it together and he [TS]

  finally emerges victorious just as they [TS]

  leave the stage and then he gets his arm [TS]

  caught in it as he tries to go back it's [TS]

  great it's just a wonderful scene and in [TS]

  general I think just a great performance [TS]

  by Kerry sure yeah well the other great [TS]

  thing about sharing this whole thing is [TS]

  the way he plays the bass he plays the [TS]

  bass one-handed and he's constantly [TS]

  throwing his hands in the air and and [TS]

  but the other scene i love with him is [TS]

  right after the after the Stonehenge [TS]

  debacle and yes you know in in and [TS]

  they're having this intense band meeting [TS]

  and and even blows up with them and [TS]

  quits and a half and tells them all you [TS]

  know and and videos explaining his job [TS]

  and you know how hard it is to find [TS]

  mandolin strings in Houston whatever and [TS]

  and and he storms out of the room and [TS]

  and and in Derek smalls asks a practical [TS]

  question about masks practical question [TS]

  this point what we're doing stonehedge [TS]

  tomorrow now we're not doing fucking [TS]

  Stonehenge the but then but then look at [TS]

  look at the look on his face after that [TS]

  he kind of raises his eyebrows and it's [TS]

  sort of like okay well that goes on that [TS]

  was onto the scene where they were [TS]

  Janine hands out the horoscopes right [TS]

  and he's like well like I defense i like [TS]

  my selfish and he's just going with each [TS]

  whatever whatever he's going with it we [TS]

  should talk to you since you mentioned [TS]

  in quitting this is the may be as close [TS]

  to a plotline is this movie gets which [TS]

  is Janine comes and it we have our yoko [TS]

  ono moment where nigel is a enjoying [TS]

  touring with his friend David and then [TS]

  Janine comes and ruins everything [TS]

  because she's got she takes him away and [TS]

  she's got ideas about costumes and she [TS]

  makes this awful sweatshirt for him and [TS]

  she's she wants to be the co-manager of [TS]

  the band which leads to even quitting [TS]

  and then she wants to do all their [TS]

  horoscopes while she takes them to their [TS]

  their poor dated in Cleveland Janine is [TS]

  interesting right because she is she is [TS]

  she just wants to help but she is no she [TS]

  doesn't she's awful and she's dressed in [TS]

  the perfect awful nineteen eighties [TS]

  regalia and she's got her her horoscopes [TS]

  and her bad ideas and it's such a [TS]

  fantastic train wreck and the worst part [TS]

  is that she separates david from Nigel [TS]

  which causes the whole thing because it [TS]

  goes again if they're they want to be 20 [TS]

  years old they weren't married when [TS]

  there are 20 if you put introduce [TS]

  anything into this equation that wasn't [TS]

  there when they were 20 everything falls [TS]

  apart and also she she is that Yoko the [TS]

  the it was great that you have a first [TS]

  the first date in which she's like Jesus [TS]

  on the tourism manager where is she [TS]

  she's on the stage next to David st. [TS]

  Hubbins with the tambourine of that is [TS]

  so fantastic that well as they're doing [TS]

  they're terrible [TS]

  they're they're terrible attempt to [TS]

  replace Nigel and she's got the [TS]

  tambourine because that was really what [TS]

  it was all about and you see any sin you [TS]

  see the tension there from the start she [TS]

  makes her first appearance on the tour [TS]

  bus and that makes me want to call out [TS]

  another that this is a great movie for [TS]

  cameos just like little performances by [TS]

  people that hey look there's Paul [TS]

  Shaffer Hey look Bruno Kirby [TS]

  Hey look his Dana Carvey there in the [TS]

  tour bus the computer that just the [TS]

  computer games of the tour bus is a is a [TS]

  Tandy color computer with a chiclet [TS]

  keyboard playing a version [TS]

  another version of missile command [TS]

  called subcommand so how many planets [TS]

  have you destroyed there is cooked quite [TS]

  amazing this video magic another another [TS]

  wire that comes up in my in my head like [TS]

  everytime everytime like a plug [TS]

  something and there's something that's [TS]

  like a really nice like graphic display [TS]

  like a great new visualizer in itunes [TS]

  boys say quite amazing this video magic [TS]

  you know the first time we see Janine is [TS]

  when the album is delivered and she [TS]

  immediately undercuts everything that he [TS]

  is doing and says it's terrible and and [TS]

  you know this album cover should never [TS]

  have been done and and and pushes [TS]

  everybody's buttons until the band is [TS]

  kind of completely destroyed and of [TS]

  course it'sit's that's the payback at [TS]

  the end when they go to japan on you [TS]

  know after en ask them to reunite and [TS]

  there's that last wonderful shot where [TS]

  ian is holding a script bat and smiling [TS]

  smugly as as Janine is rolling her eyes [TS]

  and looking disgusted in the audience [TS]

  and just like reading normal she's not [TS]

  part of this beautiful but youyou it's [TS]

  the there is a backstory there cuz [TS]

  remember the first time she's mentioned [TS]

  as when she calls she calls davidson [TS]

  happens at the hotel after that in the [TS]

  depressing scene after the after the the [TS]

  radio play and that's when he finds out [TS]

  all your that's not 33 that window [TS]

  display always just great now that's [TS]

  great perfect my life's just been just [TS]

  remind night and talk stealth it tells [TS]

  tells my talk about this that Jade come [TS]

  with us that while she's she's coming to [TS]

  drop off some stuff and then leave [TS]

  no no she's gonna be coming with us like [TS]

  and just in time too because she told me [TS]

  that my virginity Larry sounded fat so [TS]

  you can be bringing any since it is it [TS]

  is i mean that the relationship between [TS]

  David Nigel i mean this is this is these [TS]

  guys have been together since they were [TS]

  little kids and you know you can see on [TS]

  on Nigel's face when when that all [TS]

  happens that that he's not interested in [TS]

  Jenin he easy [TS]

  he's out with his buddy doing the tour [TS]

  they are they are a duo here and with [TS]

  her in the way it doesn't work it's it's [TS]

  your fucking life [TS]

  it's my life is too fucking one of the [TS]

  Akshay's she's not get the car fucking [TS]

  comments and I 00 so great we haven't [TS]

  talked about a fantastic seen the end i [TS]

  mentioned earlier I saw this movie on [TS]

  video when i was home I think for the [TS]

  summer from college and i mention that i [TS]

  ended up on the floor crying pounding [TS]

  the floor and had to pause the movie [TS]

  because i couldn't I i had to get myself [TS]

  together the seen that made me do that [TS]

  is the scene where Nigel plays a [TS]

  beautiful piano number after Marty [TS]

  Bergey and it's in d minor the saddest [TS]

  at ease all keys and uh it's a cross [TS]

  between a Mozart and Bach which we call [TS]

  it tomorrow really [TS]

  but the thing that kills me is he plays [TS]

  this beautiful sad little piano piece [TS]

  and Marty Bergey says at the end well [TS]

  what's it called [TS]

  he says well I i call it lick my love [TS]

  pump 15 minutes [TS]

  I think I couldn't stop laughing at that [TS]

  joke couldn't just amazing i survived [TS]

  frankly such a great such a great thing [TS]

  and a and again that's Christopher Guest [TS]

  playing the piano himself and you know [TS]

  it's got its got that whole realism and [TS]

  we've built up who nigel is so we're [TS]

  surprised at this turn in his character [TS]

  and see that he's got actually a little [TS]

  bit of musical talent and then bang so [TS]

  great [TS]

  what else do we have already fuckin we [TS]

  can mention you mention Paul Shaffer is [TS]

  in this they go to the album signing and [TS]

  there's nobody there and already fuckin [TS]

  from polymer records A&R in Cleveland [TS]

  kick my ass kicked my ass that we [TS]

  saturated we oversaturated so as [TS]

  somebody and and and you know and I know [TS]

  you've done is as somebody who has done [TS]

  public speaking before and and has done [TS]

  like appearances at events and things [TS]

  the what first time i watch this I've [TS]

  never done anything like that you know [TS]

  or at least not enough to have that have [TS]

  it be something that resonated with me [TS]

  this time when i watch the movie I'm [TS]

  like oh my god that is that is my worst [TS]

  nightmare that is my fear it's like [TS]

  all right i'm gonna show up you want me [TS]

  to come speak i'm going to fly halfway [TS]

  across the country and I'm gonna go and [TS]

  you said you think you okay i'll go and [TS]

  do my thing and you get there and [TS]

  there's like two guys anything I came [TS]

  all this way for a hole you know three [TS]

  days to get here and all of this and [TS]

  you're paid for my room and nobody shows [TS]

  up and and here it is this is the [TS]

  nightmare [TS]

  nobody nobody wants to buy smell the [TS]

  glove for 599 by the way if you notice [TS]

  it's 599 yes I i had exactly that [TS]

  experienced horse was trying to produce [TS]

  like a show that was kinda like going to [TS]

  be like like see like I'm a touring [TS]

  version of CES and they got david pogue [TS]

  they got me they got like a whole bunch [TS]

  of huge names like oh we were in like [TS]

  really big paper paper paper play [TS]

  contracts and like mine involved how [TS]

  many days hotel on to the feet and so [TS]

  first time in I gotta go I gotta I gotta [TS]

  talk about this because huge huge [TS]

  convention center with maybe a hundred [TS]

  people coming [TS]

  yeah they made they made all these [TS]

  convinced they could like just cancel it [TS]

  so we all flew out there [TS]

  I spoke to their there's a I spoke to [TS]

  two people i remember that quite clearly [TS]

  and I had I had and because this is [TS]

  going to be like a tour sort of thing [TS]

  that actually like spend a lot of time [TS]

  putting together a very complicated like [TS]

  our long slide deck and then I suddenly [TS]

  remember the best piece of speaking [TS]

  advise anybody ever given me that you [TS]

  would never take the stage have twenty [TS]

  dollars in your pocket count the number [TS]

  of people there if there's enough people [TS]

  that you can just take all them out [TS]

  together and by the metre beer do that [TS]

  instead of going to slide deck but yes [TS]

  and and there are there are these [TS]

  already fuckin times through [TS]

  redistricting will you just stop [TS]

  apologizing [TS]

  maybe it'd be almost ok if you just said [TS]

  okay no one showed up [TS]

  oh well oh oh I get I'm get the chills [TS]

  because this I mean mrs. happened [TS]

  this is not happening me to the point of [TS]

  it being two people but it's happened to [TS]

  me where where we've been on a panel [TS]

  that outnumbered the audience that's not [TS]

  why don't we take you one on one you [TS]

  know we'll do it just everybody pick one [TS]

  of us and we'll go have a beer and yea [TS]

  right because because you know that was [TS]

  at least we did [TS]

  better than that up then that record [TS]

  signing nobody goes a record-setting [TS]

  expect like we just see if we saturate [TS]

  oversaturated I it [TS]

  that's not my timing was right at the [TS]

  time you're a terrible timing a terrible [TS]

  time a terrible time terrible timing and [TS]

  also you know you and you know that Paul [TS]

  Shaffer like you it was even it was 82 [TS]

  but you know that he's been like like [TS]

  rock-and-roll music businesses like [TS]

  rock-and-roll music businesses like [TS]

  session players a studio player for like [TS]

  ten years you know that he was basing [TS]

  that off of a hundred already fuckin [TS]

  that he knows personally for exactly [TS]

  like that at this point Paul Shaffer was [TS]

  known a knot at not as david letterman's [TS]

  family because that was on the Letterman [TS]

  Show started in February of 82 but but [TS]

  as a he made appearances in the band on [TS]

  saturday night live including some some [TS]

  some bits some sketches about the music [TS]

  industry so you know that's so that's [TS]

  why they plucked him for this for this [TS]

  part plus he's really funny [TS]

  it's a great bit and anything check out [TS]

  like every bit of his his costume is [TS]

  perfect where you know the course he [TS]

  went out he made sure that he bought [TS]

  like a spinal tap t-shirt and a spinal [TS]

  tap satin tour jacket he wants to make [TS]

  sure the bad knows that he's a fan of [TS]

  them because you have a t-shirt [TS]

  oh god perfect it's so great so that [TS]

  they're in cleveland so we have to at [TS]

  least say the extended joke where [TS]

  they're they can't find the stage which [TS]

  is again apparently based on based on [TS]

  real events for bands where they've left [TS]

  to go out to the stage and been an able [TS]

  to find it and they find this wonderful [TS]

  guy in a boiler room who tries to give [TS]

  them very complicated directions and [TS]

  they they not in and say rock and roll [TS]

  and they leave and they end up right [TS]

  back at the guy again [TS]

  yep hi the other was based on a document [TS]

  document in there in the commentaries [TS]

  are talking about a documentary which [TS]

  that is like that is exactly what [TS]

  happens or at least this guy's walking [TS]

  around backstage macy's a door opens the [TS]

  door he finds himself like on a tennis [TS]

  court like that seems to be attached [TS]

  somewhere to the stage complex and just [TS]

  bewildered that how the hell did I went [TS]

  up in a tennis court [TS]

  the guy in the boiler room also has a [TS]

  great line where where it's you'll see a [TS]

  door that says authorized personnel only [TS]

  you're authorized right you've got to [TS]

  you've got the instrument ago [TS]

  that's wrong with the bathroom hello [TS]

  Cleveland and it is actually Cleveland [TS]

  which is nice because they could also [TS]

  that's a famous thing that isn't in this [TS]

  move in this movie where bands have said [TS]

  hello to the wrongs gotten food at uh we [TS]

  talked about we talked about Janine [TS]

  because this is the point the movie [TS]

  where she says that she feels the album [TS]

  was mixed all wrong and should have been [TS]

  used [TS]

  they should use EE and then and that [TS]

  what drives in i think is this [TS]

  don't hinge incident so Stonehenge [TS]

  famous nigel wright's down on a piece of [TS]

  paper a Stonehenge statue and makes the [TS]

  mistake of using the to tick marks four [TS]

  inches instead of one tick mark 4 feet a [TS]

  very esoteric bit to be used in a comedy [TS]

  routine and yet so great because and [TS]

  speaking of cameos Anjelica Huston as [TS]

  the sculptor presents en with the [TS]

  16-inch statue and he's a gas right and [TS]

  we cut away and what I find interesting [TS]

  about that scene I mean it's hilarious [TS]

  right that it comes down in the the [TS]

  dwarf is in danger of crushing the [TS]

  statue only you you left out one of my [TS]

  friends one of my favorite lines and [TS]

  Justin met in my phone my favorite [TS]

  movies which is just what I was given [TS]

  this this sketch this napkin [TS]

  fuck this fuck the napkin so i I just I [TS]

  I don't want it I haven't done it yet I [TS]

  haven't done it but I should do a google [TS]

  search right now there must be on [TS]

  alcohol and local bands called up on the [TS]

  napkin so so if there isn't that [TS]

  somebody should start a band call it [TS]

  that and i will buy their tenancy p so [TS]

  it's great as we see in being so furious [TS]

  about this and we think well he was [TS]

  going to do something about it right but [TS]

  he doesn't know which sets us up for the [TS]

  shock of it not being fixed and coming [TS]

  down but it also interesting because [TS]

  this is how this is even stick it out [TS]

  this is where he basically is so fed up [TS]

  but he's gonna go he decides to be a [TS]

  jerk about it he looks on with glee as [TS]

  this happens he knows this good is gonna [TS]

  happen and remember he he has the option [TS]

  of not putting that thing I stay right [TS]

  but he goes with anything anything that [TS]

  under on every other point I think that [TS]

  he's like relishing the thought of you [TS]

  look I've got the napkin that says that [TS]

  i do what you guys tell me if this [TS]

  tourist disasters because i'm doing what [TS]

  you're telling me to do [TS]

  yeah yeah he decides that he's going to [TS]

  be a jerk he's gonna set it all up [TS]

  he's going to refuse to take [TS]

  responsibility he's gonna blame it on [TS]

  you wrote it on the UH napkin wrong I'm [TS]

  just here to do what you tell me right [TS]

  and that nothing with all that it's any [TS]

  cook on the other way and that its I did [TS]

  but not just while you're not as [TS]

  confused as knowledge allow you owe my [TS]

  god [TS]

  and that's how I mean that's really [TS]

  began for him [TS]

  for for him and he goes up it's [TS]

  fascinating that that's that's that at [TS]

  that moment in between in the gaps the [TS]

  way the way the editing works where you [TS]

  see him and he is outraged he's acting [TS]

  like a good manager and then better [TS]

  because he's just you can't take it [TS]

  anymore he realizes there's nothing you [TS]

  can do and these people are idiots or [TS]

  maybe he just thinks well make the best [TS]

  of it and see what happens [TS]

  whatever it is he make some decisions [TS]

  and then refuses to take any [TS]

  responsibility for those decisions after [TS]

  Stonehenge the very tiniest own [TS]

  interests you and you know what can you [TS]

  say about that actual bit is it is one [TS]

  of the great [TS]

  I visual jokes of uh of of movies i [TS]

  think the lowering of the incredible [TS]

  night i first heard about this movie [TS]

  actually the first thing I heard about [TS]

  it was Stonehenge in college when people [TS]

  were talking about this movie that I had [TS]

  seen and it was all about the scene [TS]

  where the Stonehenge they're like I [TS]

  didn't even know what they were talking [TS]

  about it first was like a Stonehenge [TS]

  haha like what about stone inspect well [TS]

  it's tiny and they'd answer [TS]

  oh ok and and that's what stuck with [TS]

  people because it's such a great visual [TS]

  joke so great you know to this day to [TS]

  this day I still don't know who the [TS]

  Druids were or what did not have a cost [TS]

  or what they were doing little niggas he [TS]

  lives on you within the living room [TS]

  instead of stone and anything and you [TS]

  just it's it's almost as if Nigel is now [TS]

  completely did this moment is dis [TS]

  associated with reality because inside [TS]

  his mind this is a 12,000 seal arena [TS]

  everybody is mmmm mesmerized their minds [TS]

  are blown by this mystical creation that [TS]

  he has put on the stage and even if they [TS]

  had managed to produce an 18-foot high [TS]

  stone henge monument it would only have [TS]

  made the thing look even said well that [TS]

  they'll be later said it's this Genesis [TS]

  it's this Genesis moment right but where [TS]

  it's this prog rock [TS]

  oh I'm wearing out you know with peter [TS]

  gabriel is like I'm wearing of foxes [TS]

  head on my head and I made up like what [TS]

  huh [TS]

  but but what is great about the song [TS]

  Stonehenge is that it is so fantastic in [TS]

  its a [TS]

  nonsensical nature it is literally like [TS]

  everything you that you think is [TS]

  historically something that you could [TS]

  throw in there but none of it is [TS]

  actually right and it's all just short [TS]

  of shuffled in and you know they're the [TS]

  demons and the Banshees the and may do [TS]

  that as well and have children dance to [TS]

  the pipes of pan and then the bridge is [TS]

  is just as nonsensical because it's like [TS]

  a romantic bridge and come you my love [TS]

  won't you take my hand we'll go back in [TS]

  time to this mystic land it is so [TS]

  fantastic in how terrible it is it's [TS]

  amazing it is it's like if you read the [TS]

  lyrics if you think about Stonehenge it [TS]

  is it is a tour de force of terribleness [TS]

  it's like it you know what it is it's [TS]

  like a Ronnie James Dio so I've heard [TS]

  some writing i love drawing change do [TS]

  but but those layers some of his lyrics [TS]

  for that mean for the dude op with the [TS]

  dewdrops crimes for God's sake tempo it [TS]

  does take us it takes us right back to [TS]

  being 14 years old the things you think [TS]

  of this is a clever mind blowing awesome [TS]

  thing that anybody has ever written and [TS]

  i have written it i can't wait to put [TS]

  this in front of an audience so they [TS]

  will acknowledge what a genius I already [TS]

  mean the Druids didn't build Stonehenge [TS]

  that's one of the actors who Christopher [TS]

  Guest used in many of his later [TS]

  mockumentaries that he made is Fred [TS]

  Willard who makes a wonderful appearance [TS]

  here where the the gig in seattle gets [TS]

  cancelled but they get scheduled on an [TS]

  airbase and this is the moment where [TS]

  Nigel can't take anymore [TS]

  any-any walks off but this this again is [TS]

  a wonderful little collect collection of [TS]

  scenes and Fred Willard has this great [TS]

  line about how he's a big fan and [TS]

  they're all big fans of your work and [TS]

  your albums i speak not of you in [TS]

  specific but Moore the general john ruan [TS]

  of rock-and-roll what are we getting [TS]

  into here as it with this is out let me [TS]

  let me let you know [TS]

  let me tell you what this is all about [TS]

  this is our monthly at ease weekend in [TS]

  which we all get to sort of let our hair [TS]

  down I notice that you kind of got ahead [TS]

  army I let my girl [TS]

  we do ours but now i would like to get [TS]

  the music started at oso 1500 hours and [TS]

  then if you could wrap it up bio 1530 [TS]

  hours 1500 hours from now that's about [TS]

  14 hours and alli can play a couple slow [TS]

  song so we can dance to it cut smash cut [TS]

  to sex farm working on a sex ball trying [TS]

  to raise some hollow again the lyrics he [TS]

  listened to the lyrics spoken through [TS]

  your bday feels leaving my eyes see that [TS]

  my pitchfork poking your hey it's it's a [TS]

  very sophisticated take on sex what [TS]

  happens to be on a farm [TS]

  yeah ring the bell there you go [TS]

  it is it is again I'm praising these [TS]

  songs for for how terrible their sex [TS]

  farm is not it's not in the high level [TS]

  of terrible missives of Stonehenge [TS]

  Stonehenge is so ambitiously terrible [TS]

  you know but again they're trying to [TS]

  cover the gamut of terrible song right [TS]

  here and sex farmers so delightfully [TS]

  adolescent and attempting to make sexual [TS]

  clever sexual references that are not [TS]

  remotely clever it's so great [TS]

  it's so great and so awful at the same [TS]

  time and that's again something I said [TS]

  at the beginning one of the reasons that [TS]

  this movie works and I think we've wiped [TS]

  some people thought that it was real [TS]

  is that the music performances are real [TS]

  and they made sure that the in the [TS]

  commentary tracks and the documentaries [TS]

  you can the real documentary about the [TS]

  movie you can see they tried to get all [TS]

  of the musicianship right they were [TS]

  really upset if the fingering on the [TS]

  guitar was not matching what they were [TS]

  playing so it feels real and to have [TS]

  these songs be fully realized and [TS]

  terrible is AI think that's one of the [TS]

  things that really holds the movie [TS]

  together there are lots of funny jokes [TS]

  but the fact that this music is there [TS]

  and real and they commit to it fully [TS]

  really makes it and I was reminded that [TS]

  as I laughed and laughed again at the [TS]

  the song that I've heard a million times [TS]

  sex farm but when you're in the moment [TS]

  it is so terrible it's great [TS]

  yeah and the context of any at the air [TS]

  force base with the people gasp looking [TS]

  on very well [TS]

  the springtime for Hitler moment there [TS]

  too as they watch this performance but [TS]

  see how to see how far they went in to [TS]

  make this happen [TS]

  there are two scenes that preceded it [TS]

  that while he's giving the demo while [TS]

  the natural toughness give it showing [TS]

  off his guitar collection he has to show [TS]

  off folders my cuz my radio Mike's like [TS]

  a walk with then in another scene like [TS]

  this the same scene in which he finds [TS]

  out the Janine is coming to visit [TS]

  he has to be seen playing the guitar the [TS]

  winds up smashing on stage so that today [TS]

  with we established that in the [TS]

  continuity and of course the one is [TS]

  probably the one guitar that we've seen [TS]

  so far that is not a really expensive [TS]

  really great guitar like but it's not [TS]

  going to be less paul gaultier i laughed [TS]

  at the as cheap guitar serious laughter [TS]

  the explain explanation of a wireless [TS]

  guitar that it is not connected to [TS]

  anything it's just contributes biwi [TS]

  wireless [TS]

  ya know what I'm pretty much all like [TS]

  that now it's got a funny but at the [TS]

  time ago this is the wireless guitar [TS]

  why do you have that well we got a gag [TS]

  where where the Air Force signals come [TS]

  in and then he smashes the guitar but [TS]

  that's it [TS]

  so so and that's the end of spinal tap [TS]

  right they may he quits the band and [TS]

  David would be sure to be much more [TS]

  upset if he wasn't under such heavy [TS]

  sedation it's being I'll just you know [TS]

  look at all the people who's been in and [TS]

  out to this band I mean stopping papes [TS]

  what why and then started when you know [TS]

  Marty Marty Bergey you don't have [TS]

  anything you can't be comparing him to [TS]

  those other ppl 437 people have been [TS]

  it's been over the years I just so we we [TS]

  get the we get the trip to stockton [TS]

  california to the puppet show and spinal [TS]

  tap which is which is a great with which [TS]

  is a great moment because and my wife [TS]

  noticed it and pointed out my and I [TS]

  think it's a great point that this movie [TS]

  is committed enough to the realism of [TS]

  being in a band that they go over the [TS]

  set list and realize there's almost [TS]

  nothing they can play electric cozy the [TS]

  other because Nigel wrote it or because [TS]

  they need Nigel to play on it and in [TS]

  fact when we see them in la at the end [TS]

  in their last tour for tonight I'm gonna [TS]

  rock you tonight Harry Shearer is [TS]

  singing harmony part and he's terrible [TS]

  and and so [TS]

  that even there we have the realism of [TS]

  the fact that this is a band that is not [TS]

  actually capable of functioning without [TS]

  without Nigel so they do the jazz [TS]

  odyssey and the reformation of spiders [TS]

  oh there's a notice it was only [TS]

  certainly was also get there they're not [TS]

  in the present or not in the now so when [TS]

  they say well you know that leaves us [TS]

  for the cozy 12 minutes well you know [TS]

  we're gonna have to do is all the [TS]

  schedule to see and then day events in [TS]

  Heaven's a reaction is has two is not [TS]

  like in reality it's like we can't play [TS]

  a 22-minute like jazz jazz jazz fusion [TS]

  from the festival crowd is just simply [TS]

  don't look like no you're in a puppet [TS]

  show theatre you're not an Aston free [TS]

  that's what yeah it's and it's um [TS]

  and yet the the 30 hardcore spinal tap [TS]

  fans who have come to see them then boo [TS]

  them and there's the great shot of the [TS]

  guy putting his thumb down [TS]

  yeah that's my favorite little thing [TS]

  because they betrayed spinal tap at that [TS]

  point even the fans are against this new [TS]

  direction for it hold it and rub my [TS]

  favorite throwaway lines the entire [TS]

  thing I'm gonna cut into that seem like [TS]

  they're preparing the setlist like the [TS]

  makers a I've got this mendocino rocket [TS]

  fuel yeah and I I had no idea what [TS]

  mendocino rocket fuel could possibly be [TS]

  I I imagine it was a drug reference but [TS]

  you're witnessing spinal tap mock to the [TS]

  riba these are only taking on jamboree [TS]

  that's so bad so they end at the end of [TS]

  end of the tour party which seems [TS]

  awfully nice given what we've seen up to [TS]

  now you get the sense that it was [TS]

  probably schedule in advance and there's [TS]

  actually a line where somebody says I'm [TS]

  kind of surprised that you know people [TS]

  turned out for this up here on a rooftop [TS]

  in LA and and and then a Nigel appears [TS]

  before the gig after after you know [TS]

  David and a [TS]

  oh and eric are talking about as i said [TS]

  earlier the dreams of other things they [TS]

  could do with their lives but that Nigel [TS]

  appears with a message from Ian oh yes [TS]

  the other dead man who have a Deadman [TS]

  are saying sex farmers on the charts in [TS]

  Japan which is such a great thing sex [TS]

  farm is on the charts in Japan which [TS]

  leads to that wonderful crazy moment [TS]

  where I mean there's financial says have [TS]

  a good show right but it's that moment [TS]

  of like they miss each other he misses [TS]

  him yeah and and so you get that [TS]

  wonderful thing where where [TS]

  nigel is invited on stage in the middle [TS]

  of it states a rock and roll fantasy [TS]

  right and there happens to be a guitar [TS]

  right there that he can pick up and play [TS]

  and ya know and and MMA drummer explodes [TS]

  and they go to japan yay happy ending [TS]

  for everybody but the drummer [TS]

  yes you know that's up thats that was [TS]

  one of the real false notes about this [TS]

  movie for me how much the reconciliation [TS]

  have to that you know that you have two [TS]

  minutes drummers yap combatants [TS]

  spontaneous all the time I know dozens [TS]

  of times a year [TS]

  no call for that either Jesus Christ [TS]

  because the the come on bring your own [TS]

  it out I'm i get 2 i'll get to him [TS]

  I'm listening fun listening for belly to [TS]

  your counselor e alright so that was [TS]

  something thoughtfully how many drummers [TS]

  you've gone through you burned through [TS]

  i'm only as God made me sad [TS]

  haha you're quick on the belt for that [TS]

  one didn't get completely out of Economy [TS]

  Act mention him that that's a bended [TS]

  paul dano benedict a matte painter from [TS]

  Sesame Street yes and of course the [TS]

  neighbor on the jeffersons so what [TS]

  you're saying then is that is that one [TS]

  drummer dying of spontaneous human [TS]

  combustion is one thing but to have a [TS]

  second but who add that that to me that [TS]

  push the boundaries of suspending my [TS]

  chest i was sad that we didn't see more [TS]

  of Ed Begley Jr as the original drummer [TS]

  but he died in a bizarre gardening [TS]

  access on the doctors that's not to [TS]

  investigate further [TS]

  best to leave it sold [TS]

  so nice i do see your point is that they [TS]

  shouldn't repeated they should have come [TS]

  up with some sort of brand-new way from [TS]

  to die but it would have been difficult [TS]

  to fight to kill him and like in 12 [TS]

  frames put it in a way that would have [TS]

  communicated instead it already set up [TS]

  the thing about spontaneous human [TS]

  combustion so right [TS]

  ok again underlining that people do die [TS]

  of spontaneous commotion all the time [TS]

  it's just not always you know [TS]

  yeah quite widely not so widely reported [TS]

  that they could have i suppose to have [TS]

  like a light a light standard or [TS]

  something just land on the stage and [TS]

  then they cut to Japan a true it would [TS]

  be dark and yet kind of funny that they [TS]

  just keep on going on because it's just [TS]

  another drummer just another drummer [TS]

  they're interchangeable [TS]

  that's the idea that's the end of my [TS]

  notes and that's the end of the movie [TS]

  there are a lot of funny things that are [TS]

  sort of cut from from different [TS]

  interview segments that ran over the [TS]

  credits some of which are very funny and [TS]

  some which are very strange [TS]

  yes just another one of my favorite [TS]

  lines you know [TS]

  oh the the new drivers that so long as I [TS]

  found that alongside can get the sex and [TS]

  the drugs I don't really need an open [TS]

  road [TS]

  Johnny it's yes [TS]

  so what you know that and that's the [TS]

  movie it is it is a tight 90-minute [TS]

  movie and they did exercise a lot of a [TS]

  lot of care in cutting all of this other [TS]

  footage out and and finding the core of [TS]

  the movie that that you know people that [TS]

  is a cult movie to this day I mean it's [TS]

  not i think the level of of something [TS]

  like the princess bride at least in geek [TS]

  circles but this is one of those movies [TS]

  that is is still incredibly popular to [TS]

  be quoted in it and use it shows up on [TS]

  list of funniest movies of all time and [TS]

  you know it's it and it's kind of [TS]

  amazing i didn't come to this before it [TS]

  was a cult hit I came to it after was a [TS]

  cult hit but I see why it is and it is [TS]

  it's on my list of of of the funniest [TS]

  movies of all time for certain that I [TS]

  mean that's why I took in our movie [TS]

  draft too is it's definitely in my in my [TS]

  top 10 and I've seen it a million times [TS]

  and it doesn't really get old [TS]

  it holds up really really really well [TS]

  even even with some of the [TS]

  you know the terrible hair and you know [TS]

  that terrible hair is horrible this time [TS]

  listen shit that the Janine's outfit [TS]

  that outfit that she it and what does he [TS]

  say that she looks like i'm not come at [TS]

  the bandwidth you already woman [TS]

  especially when the dresses like an [TS]

  Australian not mad so from here go 25 [TS]

  yeah that is that is a spectacular [TS]

  outfit that she is better that it's [TS]

  amazing it's amazing [TS]

  no it it holds up i was surprised i [TS]

  didn't buy the blu-ray for a while and [TS]

  we're gonna do this episode but I broke [TS]

  down and bought about the brute blu-ray [TS]

  I thought this movie was shot in [TS]

  16-millimeter what can they do but i [TS]

  don't know whether they did or rehab on [TS]

  the printer did some digital work to it [TS]

  or whatever for previous four previous [TS]

  DVD release and then but they have the [TS]

  HD source or what but the HD it actually [TS]

  does look really good they did I i think [TS]

  it freaked out any every last bit of [TS]

  detail that is available in that film [TS]

  but it looks good and you know for a [TS]

  movie that was shot on 16-millimeter for [TS]

  not a huge budget in la doubling for [TS]

  every city ever it it looks pretty good [TS]

  it sounds good the musical numbers sound [TS]

  great that they you know it it it all [TS]

  that holds up and then you're watching a [TS]

  group of of idiots and their court kind [TS]

  of lovable idiots but you're watching a [TS]

  group of idiots do dumb things you know [TS]

  what stupid rock-and-roll stars doing [TS]

  dumb things and having raging egos and I [TS]

  mean that doesn't that never goes out of [TS]

  style that the names change in the genre [TS]

  change but that's like that's a constant [TS]

  that I don't see a learning progression [TS]

  in pop stars you know it doesn't happen [TS]

  there's a saying that whatever whatever [TS]

  kind of clothes you wore when you felt [TS]

  as though your life was at its greatest [TS]

  you will never change your style beyond [TS]

  that point and the same is true for I [TS]

  think for rock stars that the simple [TS]

  whatever their lives were when they were [TS]

  at their absolute commercial peak and [TS]

  and society peak that's where they will [TS]

  freeze their perceptions of themselves [TS]

  they're famous for the rest of their [TS]

  lives and so that and since that's such [TS]

  a constant and every single year it [TS]

  seems as though we [TS]

  meant a brand new generation of people [TS]

  who aren't aware that that one hit the [TS]

  head 1997 eight never happen again [TS]

  well this has been great this has been a [TS]

  lot of fun i was i was hoping to do this [TS]

  and I realized that episode 111 would be [TS]

  the right time to do it so I'm glad we [TS]

  could do it [TS]

  I'm glad you guys could join me for it [TS]

  so and until our next episode i do want [TS]

  to thank my guess personally and by name [TS]

  ben boychuk you can't really dust for [TS]

  vomit [TS]

  I wasn't going to say this earlier but [TS]

  this whole incomparable thing is kind of [TS]

  a fad [TS]

  yeah when you've loved and lost like [TS]

  Merlin Mann has you know what loves [TS]

  about and andy and Aiko sex farmers on [TS]

  the charts in Japan the house just with [TS]

  the mouse days you now you know how it [TS]

  did you keep track how many how many [TS]

  bell rings roughly I don't let the Pope [TS]

  polish off the rest of the bottle that's [TS]

  not anybody's playing comfortable [TS]

  drinking game has passed out like Bruno [TS]

  Kirby in that extra seam now that's [TS]

  music that's cat their music so until [TS]

  next time on the uncomfortable [TS]

  hello Cleveland have a good time all the [TS]

  time all the time [TS]

  what size hat do you wear [TS]

  I think we've got that taco shop I think [TS]

  we've got that [TS]

  did do you think you'd be happy doing [TS]

  that all about the art of these go 211 [TS]