The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 104 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► artists 2012 [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► snail and tonight's topic is being a [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► parent I have assembled a panel of [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► incomparable panelists who are parents [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► like I am and I thought we would talk a [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► little bit about what we the decisions [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► we make his parents for what we what we [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► expose our kids to in terms of the media [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► that we talked about on the show but in [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► terms of movies and TV and comic books [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► and things like that [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► what are the decisions that we make what [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► are the things that we're kind of [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► gleefully expecting to and anticipating [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► exposing our children to what stuff are [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► we trying to protect them from and and [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the like so it's all about being a [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► parent and having kids on the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► incomparable so my panel tonight [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► first off damn Frank's hi Dan hello [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► Jason [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► thanks for having me you have two [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► daughters [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► yes two daughters thank you and their [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► ages 6 and 4 6 and for all right [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► also joining us is ben boychuk been you [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► have a son and a daughter [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► can you get wrecked their ages please [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► yes my son Benjamin is 10 and my [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► daughter isabella is for wow alright [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► can't believe management's 10 I can't [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► believe it is I know it now [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► Timeflies yes well you did those [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► ten-year-olds it is amazing that Voice [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► you heard is Lisa Schmeisser lisa has a [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► daughter who is one year old [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► yes yes she is and she's almost too and [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► she's only one month's it's crazy I [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► can't believe she's almost him well my [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► question is that what age do i stop [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► referring to her in in terms of months [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► when did you guys make the shift because [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► 22 that you don't cross 24 yeah that's [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► the rule [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► ok The Voice you heard there is John [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► siracusa who has a son and a daughter [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► correct sorry i have an eight-year-old [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► boy named alex and a five-year-old girl [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► named Kate alright excellent and Steve [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► let's is also here Believe It or Not [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► Steve let his children [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yes I successfully breeded [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► problem shocked all and-and-and are you [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► have a boy and a girl or both or both [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► girls I do have one of each one of a [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► nine-year-old daughter and a [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► five-year-old son five-year-old son [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► excellent also joining us is Glenn [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► fleischmann Glenn you have two sons what [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► are their ages five and one just turned [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► eight a couple days ago [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► yes yes i should say that that a that [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► Glenn son and my son were born on the [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► same day the after the same day it was a [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► harmonic convergence really cool i can [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► find out anything Jason's playing on his [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► editorial calendar by asking them [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► yes very useful it's just it goes from [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► ben from Glen to bend to Julian to me [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► and then back amazing and i should say [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► that I have two children my daughter [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► Jamie is 10 and my son Julian just [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► turned eight so which is pretty crazy so [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► so that's that's the readout those are [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► those are the facts so I don't know I i [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► guess the first thing I i think i'd like [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► to ask you guys is off [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► was there something you know at what [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► this could be something that's already [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► happened or something that's in your [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► future it you know what is there [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► something that you particularly been [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► anticipating or really anticipated in [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► terms of oh I can't wait to to show this [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► thing that I love to my kids because [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► they're going to love it and I'm [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► interested in hearing how that went to [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► because i'd imagine i'd imagine [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► sometimes you for you discover that they [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► don't care about it I as much as you [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► would hope and my example be that i [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► showed my my daughter star wars i think [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► a little bit too early and then I [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► explained I explained to her that it had [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► a princess Senate which probably was [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► overselling it just a tad and and she [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► found it incredibly boring and i think [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► this was when she was maybe I don't know [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► five or six and i waited another year or [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► two and showed it to her again and then [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► she thought it was great but i but i [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► remember being really disappointed that [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► I i had had the handheld out and not [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► shown her star wars even though they [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► were toys and she'd seen that the people [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the characters and all that i held out [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► and I thought okay now now i can show [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► you this is going to be a momentous time [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► in my life where I'm fine [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► showing my daughter star wars and she [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► was like totally bored and would have [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► rather just watched you know the little [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► mermaid or sleeping beauty again so [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► that's mine but so and of course it's a [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► sad story but i'm just wondering what [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► will you guys just brought down the road [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► and disappointed i made a similar [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► mistake oh yeah I I let my son watch all [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► six in order i mean in 126 which was a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► mistake so you started with the prequels [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► I should have [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► yeah I should have acted well I should [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► never have exposed him to the prequels [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► at all because that was yeah that's [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► that's child abuse that was better [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► ya know that I I a bit not only child [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► abuse i had to relive you know it i had [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► to experience another two weeks of [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► depression having having seen those [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► again but yeah he preferred the prequels [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► to the originals and and i realized at [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► that point that I was a terrible [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► terrible father and I won't make it [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► I won't make the same mistake with bella [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► but you live and you learn [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► see I expected this would be the moment [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that John John siracusa would would [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► explain his detailed his detailed [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► strategy for keeping the prequels away [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► from his children [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► I'm Justin finally shaking my head [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► terrible terrible decision like that [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► this is what's weird about those [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► decisions it's not you didn't know like [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► everyone here knew what like we we knew [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► about the prequels the kids are born at [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► this retirement after the prequels came [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► out we knew that these things were out [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► there that they were dangerous for our [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► children and you just you you chose you [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► chose to bring that into your home like [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► noticed your arm like you talk about [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► sharing something you love what I have [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► what are you sharing something you love [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► by including something that every [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► right-thinking person hates in at the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► same time i will tell you what i wanted [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► to do i tell you what i wanted to do i I [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► I wanted to teach a lesson [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Stephanie look it's a good and bad taste [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► of sun i'm just waiting on your report [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► card sit down because it's time for the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► clone war [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► this is for your own good [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► I was wrong I was wrong I failed [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► oh it's jason the questions kind of [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► intriguing because i was thinking that [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► for me one of the hardest things is [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► going to be sitting back and letting my [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► daughter come to her own independent [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► judgment on the things I think are cool [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► or really like right I'm for example [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► I've saved nearly all of my childhood [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► books and I thought well I could try and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► in crime down her throat with all you've [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► got to read this is so great or i could [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► hope to discover some on her own and [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► then talk to her about them but i was [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► thinking about how one of the biggest [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► pleasures of my childhood was [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► discovering different books on my own [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and discovering different TV shows on my [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► own and the idea of getting to know my [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► own taste was was really you know I [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► think it's one of the biggest thrills [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► you can have the developing person and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► it's different from the experience you [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► have on your parents to down to watch a [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► movie that they love and you're like [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► okay you know because because my parents [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► will get upset if my brother and I got [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► up and walked out during the middle of a [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► movie that wasn't showing on on saturday [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► afternoon or if we made fun of it or if [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► we could understand what the big deal [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► was so I thought that perhaps the best [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► approaches to make sure the stuff is [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► just kind of lying around the house and [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► she picks it up or she happens to watch [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► it great but I'm not trying to I'm not [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► trying to implicate her with my taste [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► if that makes sense you know I i would [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► rather that she did I would rather do [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► what i can to to help her develop her [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► own taste and and with luck we'll have [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► some overlap [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► but you have to bear in mind i'm talking [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► about somebody who thinks that c is for [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► cookies is the highest formulation land [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► right now [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► yeah it coming up to you still got time [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► to to swerve and realize oh god I need [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► to do something now or this is gonna go [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► really horribly wrong now [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► well you know what more did totally [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► different period cuz we don't let her [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► watch TV so you know we have all that [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► stuff still head of us where what TV do [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► let her watch or what movies can we see [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► what is there something that you've got [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► that you're thinking I can't wait until [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► i can show this to her when she's your [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► whether it's TV or a book or whatever [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the incredibles okay yeah fine elbow [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► alpha album i can't wait to show the [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► incredibles or a bug's life or a [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► ratatouille or any or or very nearly any [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► of the other pixar movies there there [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► are exceptions but sure but generally [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► yeah the brave i'm not showing your [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► brave but the rest are fine [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► mhm fair enough so Steve anything in [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► particular that you have you know [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► showing your kids or have anticipated [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► one day being able to share with your [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► kids you know weirdly enough i think [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► most of the stuff that you know the star [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► wars in the Indiana Jones is at the of [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the world as far as movies are concerned [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► we kind of already shown up in my [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► daughter's nine so she seemed like she [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► was kind of ready for all that stuff and [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► the five-year-old you know you can't [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► really make him leave the room there's [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► really no way to prevent a five-year-old [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► boy from being wherever he wants to be [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► unless you physically chain him up in [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► the yard to a post or something back [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► yards to the neighbors can't see right [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► generally yeah unless we want to send a [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► message to the neighbors as well so most [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► of that stuff i mean we've done a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► pirates of the caribbean I bust out with [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► monty python a couple of months ago and [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► we watched a couple episodes of flying [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► circus and they they actually enjoyed [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► that surprisingly that was gonna be my [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► question is is you've deployed these [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► things that our beloved but did they [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► work to some extent well Monty Python [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► obviously they liked the silly sketches [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► they love confuse a cat you know where [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► there is just insane stuff going on I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► think it kind of appeals to their sort [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► of the general insanity that children [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► always live in there you know it's [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► interesting my son has act [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the experience most of these things [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► through through the lego video games [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► oh yes playthrough legostarwars he's [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► played through lego pirates of the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► caribbean he's played through lego harry [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► potter and when we watch the movies most [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► of the time you'll say something along [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► the lines of oh yeah that's a that's a [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► chapter 4 episode 3 or whatever you know [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► their name whichever portion of the lego [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► game it is so his experience first was [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► pretty much always the lego game and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► then the movie second my kids haven't [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► seen anything in Indiana Jones movies [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► yet but they know the plots of all of [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► all three of the original movies because [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► they're usually go [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► yeah my nephew's the same with Batman [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► date they know all they know Batman's [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► entire rogues gallery right from lego [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► batman oh yeah my kids to that every [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► lego game they have it and they've [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► committed to memory and lego star wars [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► which is I really the only serious [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► prequel well they've seen two of the [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► prequels but that you know only like [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► once and then we thought better of it [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► but they know the plot from the lego [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► games really of the of the couple of [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► things that i'm still waiting to share [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► with my kids one of his music and [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► thatthat's just simply because as far as [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► i can tell kids don't really get music [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► until they start to get angsty and and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► then it actually kinda makes some sense [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► to them apart from you know that they'll [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► jump around the room two kids Bob or [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► actually my daughter is very into top 40 [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► pop music which is one place where I [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► have failed miserably [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► already the everybody everybody has to [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► go through that right [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► uu yeah but in terms of actually sitting [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► down enjoying music with my kids that [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► hasn't happened yet i'm really looking [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► forward to that and then and then [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► possibly coming up this october i might [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► slowly start to introduce my daughter to [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► a some horror movies [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► whoo Wow which is something that which [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► is something that I shared with my mom [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► as I was growing up because we both were [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► very into horror movies and you don't [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► like to sleep is what you're saying that [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► you like to wake up at 2am by crying [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► children well well that's the reason [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► we've avoided them to date my dad shared [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► his favorite horror movie with me at 13 [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► when I was 13 and what was that the [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► exorcist [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► oh that's a good one to start with hall [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► my god yes 4 first first horror movie [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► ever soft i was 13 02 and and I i can't [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► i can't handle it to this day i would [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► say that was a bad move on Dad's player [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► yeah well what makes it worse as we were [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► Catholic so it is a true we believe it [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► was responsible truth more lifestyle [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► through stories [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► yeah they do based on a true story and [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► you know we had seen the Georgetown [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► steps and then my dad's like oh you know [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► urban legend has it that bad things [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► happen on the set and and oh my god [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► canada notes I selected the lights on [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► for like a week action [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► Steve hot what would you introduce your [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► daughter too and for how would you do [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► that I don't know I'm not sure it's it's [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► something that I'm I'm kind of playing [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► with right now because certainly you [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► could go with maybe the universal [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► monster movies but those are so cheesy [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► you know there's they're not really [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► actually scary and i'm not even be [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► entertaining at this point to a modern [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► kit [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► although perhaps they would just because [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► she she really hasn't been exposed to [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► much along those lines [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► what i have been doing lately is we've [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► been sitting down and watching the [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► occasional Twilight Zone episode [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► ok excellent huh and I think that serves [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► as a pretty good starter we've we've [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► gone through should right now we haven't [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► done anything that's super weird [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► we watched time enough at last the [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► burgess Meredith episode yeah glasses at [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► the end [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► yes yes I did that with my son he didn't [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► take that was the first my dad watched [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► with me and in size which is we've [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► established all burgess Meredith needs [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► to do is feel this way down to [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► lenscrafters yes she was she was [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► suitably intrigued by that which i was i [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► was pleased with that's encouraging it [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► made me very very happy so will perhaps [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► move into something certainly not a [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► modern or a movie because those are kind [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► of gone over the top is and we discussed [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► once before on this podcast yes maybe [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► maybe we'll start in on Night of the [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► Living Dead which is fairly subdued the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► black-and-white that the black-and-white [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► I think takes it away a little bit takes [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► away some of the horror put in the mind [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► instead of on the screen [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► it's much better right there's no better [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► one or two scenes i'm a little concerned [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► about just because they they actually [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► are a little bit gory but the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► interesting thing is my daughter is very [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► very into that kind of stuff it's [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► strange we have a we have kind of a [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► illustrated anatomy primer for kids and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► she always seems to focus on like the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► skin diseases and flesh-eating bacteria [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► and that kind of thing that's she's [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► she's very dangerous is your kids do [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► she's well she's not pretty much it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► that's that's great I i am the last year [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► we watched the new season of doctor who [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► is a family which the first time we sort [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► of watch the episodes without screening [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► them and sort of saying well you know [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► you might not like this one it's a [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► little scary and of course that's a show [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► that is meant to be watched by families [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► in when it in the UK it's it's intended [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► as a family show and and we watched the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► first episode of last season which has [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► the silence which of those scary [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► big-headed aliens that that kill people [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► in her and you can't remember them when [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► you turn away from them and and and my [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► son was like having nightmares and come [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► crawling into bed with us afterward and [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► my wife was very upset with me and I [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► just was smiling because I'm like no [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► it's a pretty supposed to be scared [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► that's all [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► your rite of passage its heart it's but [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► supposed to be gently scaring just a [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► little bit scary [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► dan do you have anything that you're [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► particularly you need that you've been [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► introducing to your to your daughters or [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► are planning to we haven't done too much [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► with movies yet because I daughters are [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► still a little young as a matter of fact [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► we took we took them both my older [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► daughter seen brave twice the first time [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► she was fine the second time she got [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► really scared by all the violent scenes [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► in the scary scenes so then the younger [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► daughter insisted on going [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► I'm said oh no it's fine i'm not scared [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► ended up being really scared so I think [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► those kind of things are just a little [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► early so yeah um but we do have a lot of [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► movies you want them to see but right [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► now I think the thing that we've been [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► doing is interesting to a lot of music [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► because both my wife and I are huge [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► music fans I mean I grew up you know [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► with music on 24 hours a day even in [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► class because I'm the kid with the one [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► earphone in [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► here while the teachers giving a lecture [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and stuff so I was a big music fan [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► growing up and so to me I think more [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► than like movies and TV shows i want [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► them to appreciate music and a wide [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► range of it and so far we've been we've [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► been surprised for one thing they both [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► love music they always want to turn [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► music on when they go to bed at night [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► they're asking for specific things they [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► know the lyrics to a lot of songs [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► already even though there are 64 which [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► is unfortunately why we bought a Kidz [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► Bop album how because they were reciting [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► lyrics that we didn't like them reciting [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► it's been fascinating watching my [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► daughter try to learn the lyrics to [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► songs [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► yeah she does that now yeah I'm much [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► more with and this is not just a music [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► this is just a good general thing that [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► I'm sure you can all agree with it i [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► took lyrics just lyrics and words and TV [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► shows and the things in TV commercials I [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► just they kind of just were there until [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► I had kids and now listen they're like [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► what did he say a week [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► turn it off you know it's I'm so matter [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► where now of what is being said in [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► everything you can do that because then [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► they immediately kyon yeah right don't [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► think I said there's a good luck classic [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► youtube video called help the police [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► which is a british couple driving with [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► their kids in the back and the F the [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► police song comes on the radio and and [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► and he just keeps his hand on the dial [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► and they substitute in help the police [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► and other ways you can be friendly and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► help the police as they turn down the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► volume every time there's a bad word and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► I had myself doing a lot of loud [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► unexpected coughing and oh yeah right [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► radio right now because you're right i [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► mean you can't you can't just all of a [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► sudden reach for the radio turn it off [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► and then they say what's wrong like oh [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► that was words we don't want to hear [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► because then they want to hear them [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► right now you know I agree so we we try [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► to suddenly you know steer attention [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► hopeful hey [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► but but but music is a big thing for us [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► and so that's that's what we're we're [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► excited that our kids are liking music [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► and we're excited to introduce the more [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► things as they get older who if I left [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► out John siracusa do you have a you have [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► any tales of introducing your kids two [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► things that you love or or or two [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► that you're planning on that you have [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► strategized about I'm the star wars [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► front mostly what I was concerned about [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► was not so much like oh I need my kids [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to see Star Wars and like it like I do [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► love you know of course you have that [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► feeling my main concern was to ensure [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► that what they thought of as Star Wars [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► was what I thought of his star and so I [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► knew that once they came became [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► school-aged and like got older all their [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► friends who have parents that don't know [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► these rules are going to be telling them [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► about that the paper and so I had I had [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► to cement in their little minds that [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► star wars Luke Skywalker Princess Leia [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► Han Solo Chewbacca c-3po you know like I [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► had like that is star wars so that by [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the time they inevitably enter the world [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► of their peers in kindergarten and you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► know and regular elementary school and [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► all their friends tell the model is [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► pretty cool stuff that will be like like [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► explain expanded universe John if you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► don't explain the prequels to your kids [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► are only gonna hear about it on the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► street man hit us the thing i knew they [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► were going to hear about it from their [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► friends I just wanted to really lay down [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► those tracks of like this is what star [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► wars is it and I almost didn't care so [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► much if they were like excited like that [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► or whenever I just wanted to think of [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► this star wars and then this is other [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► crazy stuff and I know it's weird to use [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► expanding universe to explain to the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► expanding universe is a real thing with [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► the star wars universe but i'm i'm [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► trying to say let's push the prequels [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► out in right there's the cannon right [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► and then there's the like sort of non [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► you know not really cannon right and I [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► was like this out there push the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► prequels because this star wars games [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► like they play lego star wars always [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► saying something like a nice nap so what [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► I did was I showed those like the Star [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► Wars version of the Nicene Creed where [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► you just decided what's dr. no it's not [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it's it's started storing those Amish I [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► think he's raising the star wars Amish [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► Italy we believe in one star in the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► galaxy far far away where the Skywalker [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► is the protagonist believe in three star [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► wars so i showed my on my son a new hope [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► first it's strictly the trigger oh yeah [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► run the risk of having the ostracized [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► kids who can't talk the prequels with [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► their little friends on the playground [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► you like the kids who didn't have TV [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► they're gonna start knocking on doors [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► have you like this is anyone else having [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► like imagine a little circus on the [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► playground like chastising his his [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► fellow six-year-olds that like this is [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► not always be signs are only three [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► movies and Star Wars of the unbelievers [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the unbelievers in the name of the son [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► and of the father that's impossible and [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► the force but loading Yoda say I wasn't [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► trying to turn them into like a [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► preacher's for this the gospel type [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► thing all you have to do is just expose [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► the original movies and it's not Michael [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► 807 will see the kids you know i didn't [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► i didn't want them to go out there like [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► I knew they were gonna be told those [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► other movies and I'm i was sure that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► those other movies were going to appeal [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► to them I just wanted to get there first [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► basically and so I showed my children a [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► new hope when they were old enough to [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► take it is not particularly scary but [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► you know that kind of exciting whatever [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► and I let that settle in i'll let them [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► hey can i watch Star Wars again and they [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► were just got to keep showing the New [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► Hope over and over again like every time [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I ask for starters i will show the man [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► your help and then when my son was older [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► I said okay now he's ready for Empire [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► probably maybe a show to do a little bit [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► too early but I was there with them he [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► made it through he was ok and then same [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► type of you can see Empire few times I [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► tried to simulate the experience of like [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► don't destroy all three at once like I I [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► let him know after he's seen the first [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► Star Wars movie 19 times like you know [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► is another one of these and he's like [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► really oh cool watch that right and then [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► after Empire was a little shaken up and [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► we watched Empire until we became [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► comfortable with whatever then a little [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► later it's like you want to see how the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► story turns out and then the final and I [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► think that simulated in compressed form [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the proper experience of star wars which [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► is to watch the three movies but some [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► sort of gap between them which one year [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► you know three and four and five years [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► old [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► those gaps in you know even though it's [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► like two months it seems like a long [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► time i'm starting to picture scenes from [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► Walden to hear as you describe this [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► it ends at the enjoyed you know how did [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► you get the eye hooks on the top and [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► bottom eyelids did you drop like while [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► they're watching the president thing I I [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► let them like you know I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► push the movies on the mind i showed [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► them like you know you show them like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the case for the DVD and save your [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► interested that's what I never liked and [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► if your instant didn't and they said no [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► them in the first couple times I showed [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► both of them they weren't they weren't [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► interested in it also i said all right [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► you're not interested you know I [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► definitely did not push it on and I [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► wanted them to come to it in the same [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► type of way and eventually the here's [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► the bad thing about this eventually they [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► got through them and now it's like a [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► star wars that's old hat like they're [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► out of that phase already and they're [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► like the easy eight years old and star [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► wars all had moved on like magic cards [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► or whatever you know obviously just take [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► a step further use actual aversion [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► therapy so you show the first three [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► movies is a terrifying horrible [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► circumstances and a way that's illegal [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► yeah probably that's just showing them [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the first movies that have a compact in [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► with the exact tried that didn't work [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that sad fact of the modern world we [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► live in that there's so much other [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► entertainment available that you never [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► really sit down and focus on one thing I [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► mean all we had with Star Wars man yeah [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► unless you wanted to enjoy battle beyond [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the stars spouse are not like every time [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► we watched the videotape got a little [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► worse and worse yeah yeah a [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► little-little stretched out now the guy [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► i think one of the problems with the [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► prequels is and there are so many but [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► one of them is if you if you start with [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► the prequels you end up with this idea [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► that this is a story about this kid who [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► grows up to be Darth Vader which is a is [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► a totally different take on it then if [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► you think it's the story of this kid [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker and this bad guy Darth [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► Vader and the other problem with the [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► prequels is if you try to watch them in [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► in that correct order the third movies [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► pg-13 you know third movies Roth third [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► movie is is way rougher than the other [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► five [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► yeah and you know my kids haven't seen [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► episode 3 and we do have it in the house [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► we are not a kosher family like the [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► Syracuse's but we've got in our house to [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► just have never seen it [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► that's in the vault yeah it's sitting on [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the shelf next to all the other movies [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► they can go up there at any time read [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► the spine who say look at that star wars [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► episode 3 [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► well but but the family episode 3 is is [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► that too so you if you want to watch one [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► through six I i have a problem with with [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► that third episode because it's it's um [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► it's rougher it's just it'sit's a darker [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► thing and for our kids you know I'm [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► trying we've seen a few pg-13 movies but [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► you know especially with really violent [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► stuff I'm a little hesitant and and you [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► know my son is super sensitive to the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► scary sound effects and scary music and [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► actually more than things that he sees [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► hears like this music and he's like oh [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► no something Bad's gonna happen any [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► kinda is afraid of it so so I i consider [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► that episode 3 kind of a roadblock to [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► taking that approach anyway I gotta say [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► that compared to episode 3 is Benjamin [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► seen episode 3 and actually that one [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► didn't leave that much of an impression [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► on him know compared to that tron tron [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► legacy actually left a greater impact [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► truck tron tron legacy costs me twelve [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► hundred dollars because did you buy a [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► let-up suit is that how that works [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► no no baby did a frisbee come through [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► your house and smash to give your own [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► virtual reality chamber he we saw the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► movie he enjoyed it very much and that [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► night he came in into two to bed with us [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► and had a vivid dream and fell out of [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► bed and split his head open [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► uh-huh did you see them sue the filmic i [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► blame the fridges know but it but his [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► expects planation later and this was [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► that all this was the all-time great [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► line though this is what makes this a [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► funny story [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► he said tron legacy was just too epic [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you can't go to you can be too epic it [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► was just too epic and and he spilled [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► blood for tron legacy so thick veil [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► thinking about thinking of trying this [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► is the weird thing we're just talking [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► about with the lego star wars and how a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► lot of our kids end up seeing the things [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► not the source material but the derived [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► properties like the video games or [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► whatever and it's it may be because [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► we're old we want our children to be [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► interest franchises that we saw when we [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► were kids and their first exposure is [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► probably going to be through a child's [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► television show or toy video game but at [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► the same thing with tron tron uprising [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► is a cartoon series [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► that my son has started watching and he [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► doesn't have to tell him you know it's [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► based on a movie and there's two movies [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► and I explained all the backstory of [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► whatever but i think a lot of kids today [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► are seeing that reused properties but [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► not in their original form [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► I like if it tells me no television [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► shows based on books or yeah and or [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► television shows based on movies which [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► are based on books and I know that's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► because of like Hollywood sequel is the [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► remake of The Beverly Hillbillies [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► instead of the classic original yeah [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► there's an entire generation of teeny [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► boppers who are under the impression [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► that if the song has an apparently it [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► doesn't exist [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► oh no my name my fort my 14 year old [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► niece was watching the glee project and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► one of the children came onto catalogs [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► son of a preacher man and I was sort of [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► singing along under my breath of mine [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► Easterns look at us [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► you've heard of this song and I said [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► honey I need to tell you about a little [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► lady named dusty springfield because [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that is where this song started did not [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► start with ryan murphy about their inner [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► my niece and her heart are under the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► impression that the song is illegitimate [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► unless or until he's been featured on [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► Glee it's the same thing we've got the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► source material but Sri next to [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► repackage for kids up to the job done [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► example also which is my five-year-old [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► Rex suddenly become fascinated with [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► superheroes switch to him are all knew [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► that he's done anything about in the [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► Paris it's the classic and it's no [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► wonder woman Superman group with the DC [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► and dad did you know that there are [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► super powerful creatures name [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► superheroes and the properties have [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► changed so much it's very complicated [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► too because you know one flies now and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► the last number of years so what [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► but the deal was that his preschool one [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► of the kids started reading helping [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► comic books with some of these pretty [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► one so wretched very interested in these [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► I can read books that are you know [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► taking a stripped-down comic book format [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► maybe more adult-oriented these days and [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► putting it into a kid-friendly or format [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► but the deal is the story's the same [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► it's like all this incredibly terrifying [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► looking characters doing stuffs [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► languages like you know Lex Luthor is [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► bad [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► Lex Luthor has to take over the earth [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► Lex Luthor fight Superman he has his [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► kryptonite which can hurt Superman [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► Superman bashes Lex Luthor and lex [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► liquor [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► mrs. he is sad but I've taken here's [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► what i'm using as an education lesson [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► also directs Rex ok so why does someone [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► around the world that seems like a lot [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► of trouble [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► why does Lex Luthor want to be in charge [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► he's a bad guys at villains [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► supervillains like to break things and [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► like but isn't a lot of effort was going [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► no no daddy daddy daddy he says [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► university he's bad he's a bad man he's [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► a supervillain supervillains they like [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► to blow up things like oh so they're [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► evil yes they're evil super-villains [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► like so they you know running the world [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► that's the ala doesn't matter just like [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► the break things but i'm trying to use [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► it as lessons to explicate on the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► spectrum of evil in the world we live in [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the net interesting not sure I'm not [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► sure how that's gonna go [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► it has catechism hasn't gone so well so [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► because you know i think in reality of [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► I've complicated story before in [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► previous episodes of the apples that is [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► that one of the problems with things [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► like Harry Potter is that I don't think [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► evil exists in the end the real world to [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► a large extent that everyone believes [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► that they are well-intentioned no matter [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► how horribly their behaved and so books [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► in which evil is actually betrayed and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► find unrealistic from that standpoint [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► i'd rather see very nuanced well meeting [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► parties that are acting on their own [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► interests and think or pretend they're [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► acting well so Rex are working on that [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► did daddy daddy daddy Lex Luthor it had [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► a difficult childhood you don't [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► understand my smooth ER just wants to be [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► loved [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► daddy daddy just want Superman to say [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that he's okay and that it doesn't [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► matter he's bald and I think Mike Luther [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► didn't get dessert daddy that's what [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► happened on canonical nature of these I [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► can read books like I have a real [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► problem they're teaching kids the wrong [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► things about hero mythos that that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Superman you know it's just I don't like [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► kryptonite here it's Superman what are [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► you talking about [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► does but there's just parts of its axis [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► dad when he loses for some reason Jimmy [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► Olsen's on the top of the Daily Planet [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► like with his camera just shooting [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► people on the ground there's telephoto [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► lens to look for a story [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► no newspaper reporter does that let me [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► tell you why Jimmy Olsen well i think [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► its recruits party city where you had a [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► world in which a newspaper is still a [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► viable employer though so you may as [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► well spend most of the laws of reality [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► he's he's the last Employee Lois Lane [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► the only two people working at the [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► finest Julian's got a book like that is [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► the spider-man it's like the spider-man [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► 3 book and that's a terrible movie but [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► the public is amusing [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► is it sort of like this is Peter Peter [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► it's so perfect and I was like peter is [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► sad [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► Peter Peter wants to do good as [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► spider-man but nobody likes him like yep [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► that's pretty much it i can't argue [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► sheets we have some of those books too [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► and it makes me sad to like another to [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► teach your kids to read but unlike [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► that's a that's a gross over simple i [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► know you can only fit three words in [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► this page but those are the three words [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► then I'm was not created like that John [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► this is a profound moment you and I are [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► in complete Accord as moment John and I [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► think we should just have a moment of [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► celebration over that [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► yeah its a broiling Sun kurose over [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► simplification of the spider-man / [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► Superman my house district now on the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► other hand my older boy has read Harry [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► Potter is read the first four and teasy [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► he's a good reader and he's got some [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► friends his age were you are even [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► stronger readers and some have read like [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the entire harry potter canada and i'm [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► always sort of stunned by that Ben is [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► eight just turned eight and his friends [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► are around the same age and I you know I [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► had veterans had difficulties as an [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► adult reading Harry Potter but this is [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► pretty serious stuff in the middle of [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the nonsense [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► even when you get the book for we were [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► only London reads books 1 2 & 3 [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► initially and he kind of knew the plot [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► of for me let him read it and we talked [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► about it we made sure how to read it [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► earlier in the day so you wouldn't read [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► it just before bedtime and he didn't [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► really have it sort of cartoony enough [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► and it's the magic part in everything [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► that i don't think the death part really [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► resonated with him in the same way that [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► someone being hurt and watching [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► something visually would have gotten him [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► like some of the videos that we've shown [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► been in the past he hasn't seen any I [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► mean he's really seen the muppet movie [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► was actually almost too much for him [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► wow what is very little too sensitive [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► boys the the newer one we try to watch [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► night we try to match the muppet [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► christmas carol you know from 30 years [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► ago and my younger boy found it [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► terrifying elder is very scary ghost [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► this is something that's a little [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► whatever and and then wasn't totally you [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► spying with it was totally into my [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► fellows are my fellows are sensitive in [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► a way that I hope the world will crush [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► them so at some point I want to pitch [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you ate them a little bit more over time [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► we try to show them things that are a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► little more difficult or a little not [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► scary but just a little harder to take [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► because otherwise you know they're going [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► to be absolute [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► destroyed by mainstream culture and i [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► would prefer that not happen to them [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► well what was it about the and remind me [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► because I've seen I've seen them up at [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the the latest models but what was it [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► what was it about the new one that was [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► particularly disturbing because i don't [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► have a conflict there is conflict that [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► time I was younger boy gets has trouble [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► really any conflict like we're like [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► we've actually said to him things like [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► you know this is made for kids your age [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► and do you think anyone's gonna die [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► zagat now he was really get hurt in a [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► movie that's made for you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► I mean sometimes we've had that would [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► even like Bob the Builder they'll be [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► something that comes up [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► where is something bad you know they're [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► like this and episodes and their [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► specials like a Christmas someone's lost [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► in you know cant the radio doesn't work [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► whatever you like they're really not [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► going to freeze to death this bob the [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► builder I don't recall a bob hit there [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► was that episode about mr. where where [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► one of the trucks was crushed by a [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► little concrete but it's very special [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► order a bottle fills the Donner and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that's memorial yeah so was i don't know [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► about that one choices but i think the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► muppet movie there's parks where black [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► is chris chris cooper Chris Cooper [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► Harrigan astok performing with your [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► friends name [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► yeah he is the Michael left that brings [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► up an interesting point about what our [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► kids are ready to handle and everything [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► like that and i think this is one of [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► things I didn't realize before I became [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► a parent is the insane variability and [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► what different children of the same age [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► are able to handle media wants but in [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► the singers vs reading things versus you [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► know music or violence or skip it just [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► unbelievable range where that I you know [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► I know my children are just not I people [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► ask me what age did you show your kids [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► this like I don't feel like giving [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► advice because the variability is like a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► multiple of their age some things that [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► kids can watch it eight other kids can [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► watch until they're sixteen like [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► literally and it blows me away whenever [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► I see John Gruber talking about what his [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► son is watching because his son is right [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► about my older boys aged and he'll be [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► like yeah we're just watching apocalypse [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► now for the 16 years old [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► no I'm well I'm but maybe this [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► litigation thousand police officer James [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► Bond movies which was a lot of kids who [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► are eight years old or nine years old [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► can't handle but some kids can like and [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► that's the thing like it so you know [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► some parents who just put their kids in [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► front of any movie they're like I don't [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► care he'll be fine in the poor kid has [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► nightmares and they don't care but some [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► can't think most people are being [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► conscientious parents and they just know [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► what their kid is able to handle [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► mathematically this segment of the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► discussion is making me so grateful I [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► have a toddler and i haven't had to do [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► that yet oh my god i have a conversation [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► with been many years ago where he talked [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► about how he has shown spider-man the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► the original movie to Benjamin Rand that [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► blew me away because i think i think [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► Julian still hasn't seen it because yeah [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► there's just no way we could there's [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► just no way he was going to be able to [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► do it but different kids really react [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► like I said with Julian it's a lot of [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► its the music but he's kind of sensitive [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► to it and and and other kids it's not a [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► it's not a big deal at all so it is [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► insane like John said it's an insane [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► amount of variation between kids [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► yeah well i was i mean the the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► Apocalypse Now example was one actually [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► wanted to bring up because i was [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► thinking about this before you know it [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► leading up to this podcast because you [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► know first time I saw pockets now was [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► was 1981-82 so I would have been like 10 [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► years old sheets [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► well and and my son is 10 now and there [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► is no way he's going to see apocalypse [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► but did your parents know that you saw [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► it that's the No [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► yeah like that's I saw many movies [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► before I should have seen them and I [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► regret seeing anybody surely like my [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► parents saying hey you know some life [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► was a lot easier before parents [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► understood cable that's right why was it [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► that was the parents got onto on TV or [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► cable that's that's when it all went [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► wrong forecast for that's how I saw all [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► of the movies but yeah so I saw [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► apocalypse now when i was ten years old [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► I've got you know like I don't know four [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► different DVD versions of Apocalypse Now [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► and blu-ray and there's no way he's [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► gonna see pockets now but but in my [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► judgment the first spider-man movie even [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► though it was PG 13 and even though it [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► was it was a bit intense with the with [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Uncle Ben and the Goblin all that [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► it was it was ok because it was in a way [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► it was it was so sort of cartoonish that [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► it was it was not that big of a deal [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► it's like a power rangers episode in [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► some ways because the costumes are so [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► inexpressive to write and so so in my [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► judgment that was ok and yet we went and [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► saw with with some friends of ours the a [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► friend of mine and he has a slightly [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► older son he's 12 or 13 whoo-hoo [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► Benjamin is good pals with we went and [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► saw a super 8 when that came out and [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that one those those two kids could add [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► a terrible time with super 8 because of [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the the intensity of some some of the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► sequences in that movie so it depends on [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► the kid it depends on the movie and so [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► right now so it's all that I don't want [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► to hijack this but I do have a question [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► for the panel because this question just [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► came up last night about the hunger [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► games at my end and Benjamin hasn't read [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► the books [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► no not right now the mood and I idea and [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► my in what I told him was I don't think [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you're ready [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► the books are actually pretty dark [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► compared to the movie yet jamie has a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► friend who is reading the books and I [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► think that's a lot i think that's [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► premature and she's you know she's ten [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► going on eleven and I think that pushes [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► well this is the thing I want to bring [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► up is is my parents are actually really [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► good about controlling what TV and what [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► movies on growing up but they left all [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► sorts of books lying around the house [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► and that's how i got my hands on mario [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► puzo's The Godfather in third grade haha [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► and here's the thing is in the first 17 [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► pages of The Godfather there's a very [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► very graphic assignation between two [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► people and as an eight-year-old not only [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► didn't understand half the words those [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► words weren't even in the dictionary [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► when I went to look that up on the sly [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► and i ended up asking not about it into [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► a big thing so you know so like actually [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► top online for me is is how do how do [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► you cultivate that again that sense of [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► discovery where your kid is figuring out [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► their own taste and they're getting into [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► their own thing [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► how do you cultivate that discovery [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► while [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► managing the risks that they're going to [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► end up picking up something or watching [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► something that's that they're not [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► they're definitely not ready for yet so [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► so one thing I'll say about this because [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► I worry about this a lot too and one [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► thing I try to remember is that a lot of [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► stuff until I was very close to being of [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► an age where it made sense to me it [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► completely was over my head [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► yeah a-and and it's a little bit [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► different with books with reading but [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean you you have to you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► have to read you have to know the words [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► you have to get it and even with movies [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► or TV below above a certain level I mean [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► like when I was a kid there were lots of [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► things that now I'm like oh wow that was [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► really dirty and I had no idea when I [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► was a kid just a no idea to be fair with [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► the whole Godfather experiences i didn't [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► get half of the words and didn't [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► understand anybody's motivation it took [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► me a few years to realize exactly what [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► was going on and you probably haven't [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► seen very many mob hits at that point [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► now now the markets but that's the thing [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► with reading is is they they can only [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► really envision stuff that they've seen [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► so if they run across if they run across [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► you know good fellows at some point on [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► cable then it's going to mean a lot more [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► to him than it is if there's reading it [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► going ok so then he saw his head off [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► ok whatever that means moving on leave [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► but I'm gonna bump up a level which is I [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► think Ben's question it and we were [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► apparently all scarred we all saw stuff [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► I read step two young in age and we know [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► that we know now that was too young for [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► us but that's a question right it's what [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► are we protecting your children from [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► protecting in part from we don't want [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► them to have nightmares because we know [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► it's gonna be hard for them to sleep [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► heart of the function if they can get [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► these images out of their head is [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► similar argument with pornography is [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► that if some photography is made it will [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► be acceptable adult some not and there's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► all variation around that but you don't [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► want to have a developing mind that [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► isn't prepared to have the [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► sophistication of the emotional depth or [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► the training to cope with feelings they [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► have and that's true for this kind of [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► material as well as you know more [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► serious things things about death and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► and so forth so I wonder like are we [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► protecting our kids too much are we [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► going to scar them in Reverse likely [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► them so unscarred as with my children [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► for instance that they are immediately [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► crushed on leaving are you [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► our home they go to college and [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► everything that they've seen and see in [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► the first week leaves and shivering and [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► fetal position in their dorm room or or [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► is this a good course of action we [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► helping them how to cultivate the right [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► kind of emotional depth and [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► sophistication awareness that when they [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► see material that we thought we saw too [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► early or read it that they actually can [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► integrate it better into their worldview [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► or personality I think as soon as they [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► go off to elementary school not even [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► high school not acknowledge that they go [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► to all memory school you don't have [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► nothing to worry about because their [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► friends will corrupt them to the [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► incredible degree without excellently [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► all the curse words all the sex talk all [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the movies that all the kids who have [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► seen apocalypse now we're in their class [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► and are totally cool and I'm gonna tell [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► them about the seat in securing a [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► picture and a third grader sitting in [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► the back of the class saying horror and [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► who are on Terra I of friends so that's [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► why I've made it my goal to to be there [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► to have the kids that seed the rest of [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► transcendental century sitting on the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► Shelf which is why I've taught both my [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► kids the diarrhea's already i no see [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that was my kids came back from [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► elementary school with all these songs [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► to my cup various songs go out there [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► because like coming back from [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► kindergarten kid sings it to you like [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they didn't complain new songs in the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► past 30 years i guess not you know not [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► even any new version and light and it's [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► good because then your kids are amazing [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► you know that's how to Mike yep I no [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► longer need a tiny the ocean like you [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► know that's how come you know the punch [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► line to all these jokes like the same [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► jokes they told me in first grade and [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► you know disinfected yeah so I think [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► like all the protection that you do like [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► they're gonna go out unless you like [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► homeschool them or send them to like a [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► private school private like they're [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► going to go out into the world and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► there's going to be people with [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► different parenting styles and like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► that's what I don't think you need to [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► cultivate their curiosity because they [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► they have it and they'll find the stuff [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► and you can't stop them from being [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► influenced by their friends and stuff [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► like that you know i think i think it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► socializing with your peers is how even [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the most overprotective parent has their [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► work either done or undone for them [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► depending on how you look at it so like [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► you get you get until they go off to [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► some environment where there with other [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► kids their age for most of the day and [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that that's your time to do your best to [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► set this kid on the road [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► exposed to the things you want to expose [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► them to and everybody after that like [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► you i don't i'm not into magic cards i [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► don't like those things i have a pretty [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► low opinion of that everything I would [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► rather be my children to D&D but they [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► went off and he's also friends are into [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► magic cards now he's into magic cards i [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► have no saying that it's just gonna [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► happen you know and like my kids were [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► playing pokemon made-up rules of pokemon [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► and obviously getting funky mama too [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► young to figure out the rules [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► yeah you gotta go c'mon we have pokemon [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► infection in my older boys school and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► its really spread the virus is pretty [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► powerful full credit to the guys at the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► at the store where my wife bought the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► pokemon cards for my son's birthday is [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► is they at first question asker is are [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► they actually going to play it or just [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► look at the cards and she's just the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► hackers I go get them get these they're [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► cheaper in there they're more felt so [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► Greg nice our good friend who was going [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► to be on this podcast but he was late [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► because he was helping us kids with it [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► with their homework so so he doesn't get [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► to be on the podcast cause he's [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► parenting but Greg asked a really good [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► question which is about video games that [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► he I know Greg had this problem where [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► he's been trying to get good games for [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► his kids and his boys who are older than [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► most of the kids uh of the people on [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► this podcast trying to find games that [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► aren't like mature rated video games [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that he's comfortable with them with [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► them playing and and so I i thought i'd [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► ask you guys if you've got video game [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► experience with your kids and and what [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► do you do I mean our kids are young [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► enough i think that most of us that the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► answer is you know i'm i'm I we've got [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► well with Trixie you know Lisa you just [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► kind of don't have to worry about yet [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► and laser pointer actually have an idea [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► how about is is inadvertently [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► introducing a glass ceiling because i'm [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► not a gamer and because game culture is [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► still not you know particularly obsessed [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► with gender parity so so I worry that [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► she's gonna miss out on the sort of [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► cultural signifiers or more common [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► experiences and I think that's always [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the rate you're going to have I i don't [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► think so i can tell you that that all my [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► all of Jaime's friends are into a video [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► game stuff too and it really doesn't [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► seem to have any split between boys and [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► girls and they're all you know let that [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► there's a lot at at the younger ages [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff that is really [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► great and appropriate for kids [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► my concern is that above a certain level [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► that starts to [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► seemed babyish and that's what greg has [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► run into which is above that level [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► you're basically on into this full-on [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► adult stuff and what Greg says that he [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► ends up doing is buying the generation [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► older games so that like Arkham Asylum [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► is rated tv-14 but arkham city is an M [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► so you just kind of go back and buy the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► old game for nine dollars and and that's [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► and that's but that also means his kids [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► are like hopelessly years behind [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► everybody else in terms of the games [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► that this plenty of games in that gap [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► though like they're like most distant [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► you don't go right from lego star wars [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► to Arkham City yes this is it may seem [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► like there's a gap there because certain [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► titles are popular and the reason that [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► probably seems like a gap there is what [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► if your kid goes off the third grade is [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► gonna be all the cool third graders are [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► going to be playing the rated amateur [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► you know arkham asylum game and they're [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► gonna tell your child about Arkham [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► Asylum and neutrons going home and say [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► my friends are playing arkham asylum can [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► i play it but knowing your kid is ready [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► to play that and and like you can steer [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► them towards games that are also there [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► will be there will actually be more fun [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► for your child [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► I actually is here again i will go back [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► to what I said before about it depends [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► on the kid and it depends on the product [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► so as up so like some of these M games [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► some some not all md games are created [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► equal and so so with my son some of the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► halo games RM games and he's played them [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► because they're ridiculously cartoonish [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah and and they're they're barely [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and I I mean I don't even understand in [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► some cases why there's cursing and the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► voice over so yeah there's a little bit [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► as a platter violence but it's really [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► not right but with that but that it's [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► it's it's ridiculous and so yeah so it's [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► not that not that big of a deal now that [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► I actually with the with arkham city we [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► actually played that together and so i [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► didn't i didn't have a great problem [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► with that one but there's other games [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► like I play you know I place of my own I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► played a lot of modern warfare 3 and [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► there's no way you know he plays that [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► and there's no way he's going to play [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that on multiplayer where everybody is a [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► is a savage [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► and so so that we are very lightly [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► actually yeah I know they're there [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► they're barbarians so I make judgments [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► sonic on a case-by-case basis and a lot [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► of these things and so there's a lot of [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► other games you like something you know [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the the little big planet was you know [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► we were playing that for a long long [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► time and the xbox 360 there was that oh [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► shoot i can't remember the name of it [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► now so that the one where I don't crap [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► with the piñatas yes we have a pinata [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► that's it goes yeah yeah and my wife [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► loved playing that with with my son and [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► so there was a lot of that Greg says [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► that one of the one of the big things [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► for his his boys that a that has been a [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► huge boon is minecraft because they just [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► spend all their time playing minecraft [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► which is not a particularly violent [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► because of Minecraft his legos without [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the foot injury [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► yeah exactly you can't step on a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► minecraft so so John so John Gregg Gregg [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► is in the chat room and he wants he [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► demands that you name names about what [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► game myself [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► yeah go in between your Legos and your [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► Skyrim wait what's on there so i would [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► say the entire Zelda series will last [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► your children from the age of like seven [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► when they can actually play them until [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► like 13 when they're ready to play [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► rated T games because those games take [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► forever to play and they aren't babyish [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► like they're sophisticated complicated i [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► got pretty darn hard games and they last [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► forever and there are tons of them and i [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► highly recommend like don't you know [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► it's like over there is just one Wiesel [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the game let him play the gamecube games [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► let him play the virtual console games [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► for you know that I found that my kids [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► do not mind playing Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► I don't even know if they notice the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► difference between Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► PlayStation 3 game [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't think we're gonna go [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► we turn our daughter is the same thing [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► oh yeah those are hard games like it was [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► a baby because you have married looks [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► like a little plumber but those are [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► complicated hard exciting and dangerous [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► yeah very hard all those things yeah [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Mario Kart is the that's the champion [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► game around our house even to this day [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► but all the mall tomorrow stuff and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► and right and kirby the kirby game [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► services some of those start to get into [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the hall [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► everything is here's the thing there [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► these games are going to look at all [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► Kirby is like a babyish game or Mario is [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► or even sell that because all the [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► friends are playing battlefield 3 when [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► they shouldn't be because it's totally [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► not appropriate for kids that age and [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► those are the cool kids right but that [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► does not mean that your kid will not [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► become totally addicted to playing [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► through winwaker even though it's a [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► little cartoony Zelda rights ok can I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► get a first person shooter with Mario [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► that thing about first-person shooters [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► like your talk about how hello has a [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► cartoon violence and everything that is [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► still kind of a game in which you play a [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► disembodied gun floating out of the [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► center of your body constantly pointing [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► it new things to shoot even if its [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► cartoon violence and even if it's not [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► even if it's like played for laughs or [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► whatever this still that's kind of a [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► line of like to want my child spending [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► all their time aiming their gun at [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► something and then like magic want that [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► blows bubbles [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► okay all right yes that no no that and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► that's note that on that point John that [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► that was very much alive in my mind it [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► was initially and i think that in that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► instance see again I think it goes back [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► to what we were talking about before i [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► mean i think i think it I I don't think [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► you can universalize it and I think it [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► depends on the kid and I think it [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► depends on on your level of maturity and [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► the particular context which the game is [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► played and I think again and also to you [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► know I I don't let I don't let my my son [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► spend you know hours and hours and hours [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► and hours of one interrupt gaming time [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► and you know and there's and I I [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► supervise a great deal and so in that [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► instance it was pretty clear that that [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► you know that that this sort of that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► sort of shooting violence that you see [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► in Halo versus what you would have in a [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► in one of the modern warfare games or [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► battlefield or whatever there there's [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► there's a although the mechanics of the [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► game are essentially the same the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► context is different [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► yeah that thing is that that feeling [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► like that that [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► you have to know your children and it [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► depending on your child children are [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► going to be drawn to these types i know [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► i was drawn to these types of games [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► that's why all their friends are drawing [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► these types of games and it's not as if [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► you can keep them away from that type of [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► game but you have to sort of like meter [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► it like you want to give them an outlet [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► for this desire to play these types of [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► games but you don't want to let them [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► indulgent to the degree that they would [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► because many little boys and I assume [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► little girls as well our are savages [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like if you have left is lord of the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► flies right so your job as a parent to [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► kind of guide that and say you can play [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► a first-person shooter but not the one [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► where you you torture people to get [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► information and killer rocky children or [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► you know like yeah so and and then limit [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► your time and like try to mix up with [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► some racing games or so you know likes [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► you just just because some little boy [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► constantly wants to kill things doesn't [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► end there are many forms of [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► entertainment let them indulge those [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► feelings you have to kind of like heard [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► them towards you know you can't you [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► can't cut it off that's the worst thing [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► you do my parents would not let me own [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► any toy guns and they removed the little [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► sliding lightsabers from my star wars [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► figures arms they went up and down now [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► and all that made me do was want that [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► stuff even more and everything i'm at a [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► master weaponsmith in my childhood so [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► that's not the answer either write your [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► absence I just imagine with the tiny and [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► filmmaking mesas and Syria you have [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► spare you have no idea you have no it's [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► not like that the making the ring of the [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► needle looking at the spaceman tiny [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► little ring of the needle again [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► yeah and so that like that's what you [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► are you coming fighting with you have to [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► look at your kid and say how drawn is my [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► child to this type of game and how can I [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► give them an out some outlet for those [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► feelings in a better manner than if if I [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► just forbid it and then go over their [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► friends house and play battlefield 3 [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► which I don't want you know right to try [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► and try and give them some of what they [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► what they want and make it part of this [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► nutritious breakfast so to speak instead [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► of just the gorging on i'm going to just [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► kill everything all the time [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► although the the counter example would [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► be if we want to get them to do things [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► we should completely forbid them from [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► you can't play D&D on my life you may [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► never get a deeper however kids get [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► smart fast the glam [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► get smart really fast we have a running [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► joke in my house is my kids will say [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► something like when you can be watching [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► out the simpsons or for this movie I'm [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► like uh you know when you're 43 like [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► we'll be at the house whatever in one [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► night there like I wanna Rex I think it [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► was Rex the five-year-old's an MP said [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► something like I think we should all go [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► skydiving as a family i said that's [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► great you can totally do that [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► a week after I'm dead let's put that on [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► the calendar says I'm dead [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► you're completely like this kind of as [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► often as you want yeah you watch they're [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► gonna make that like your memorial now [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► as dad always said if that's the exact [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► yeah making a skydiving scatter your [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► ashes overall know they're gonna get it [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► is slightly wrong I'm gonna be like dad [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► always said that he wanted to be dropped [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► out of an airplane mechanic behind [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► that's the that's the telephone game [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► version of last wishes [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► yeah he'll take your ashes when they do [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► their first guy Dave no that's great i [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► like all those possibilities including [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► having my corpse dropped out of a plane [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► to capture damn fine with me if it makes [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► them up whatever whatever my children [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► want I just want them to grow up happy [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► occasion I can see I don't want to go [TS]