The Incomparable

103: Fat-Guy Comics

 

  the incomparable podcast number 103 [TS]

  artists 20 well the incomparable is [TS]

  sponsored by moresome [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  this is jason Snell and i'm joined today [TS]

  by v2 stalwart members of our comfort [TS]

  Club we haven't met in a little while [TS]

  but we managed to get us all back [TS]

  together in the same room believe it or [TS]

  not [TS]

  Lisa Schmeisser joins us hi Lisa like [TS]

  you to be back you know you're you're on [TS]

  lots of incomparable these days but the [TS]

  comic book club has been has been scarce [TS]

  for a little bit [TS]

  it has been busy yeah sure sure we've [TS]

  been busy all of my comments are in [TS]

  storage right now [TS]

  yeah yeah that's right that's right [TS]

  don't read anything and also jason [TS]

  reitman is here it is fantastic to be [TS]

  back [TS]

  it is great to have you here and this is [TS]

  where in our temporary podcasts to do [TS]

  here but it should it should work out [TS]

  just fine [TS]

  so when we set up this the this [TS]

  conversation we were talking about it [TS]

  like the Avengers just come out which [TS]

  brought up the the question of teams [TS]

  super teams in general it which i think [TS]

  is a good question because i was [TS]

  watching The Avengers and I enjoy the [TS]

  adventure some people didn't but I i [TS]

  enjoyed it and I but there is a some [TS]

  there's a level of kind of silliness of [TS]

  you know one superhero was kind of silly [TS]

  but like eight different superheroes [TS]

  with different powers is really a can be [TS]

  really ridiculous it's hard to suspend [TS]

  disbelief with one you do a whole caste [TS]

  of them and then it just yeah you're [TS]

  right totally ridiculous one of my [TS]

  favorite series in the nineties with [TS]

  storm watch and they do an alternate [TS]

  worlds storyline towards the end of the [TS]

  original run what we're in this [TS]

  alternate world it turns out that i hope [TS]

  that there's 24 of them working in [TS]

  concert and the superheroes for watching [TS]

  this were like you can't have that many [TS]

  superheroes in one room unless they are [TS]

  all on really heavy medication because [TS]

  the nature of being superheroes you have [TS]

  these powers [TS]

  you're also socially maladaptive if [TS]

  there's one of you that's fine if [TS]

  there's two of you [TS]

  there's going to be a brawl if there's [TS]

  24 of you entire cities get leveled and [TS]

  that's always been my thing about [TS]

  superhero teams is what impetus to any [TS]

  of these people have to get along with [TS]

  anybody else [TS]

  well and isn't the the super-powered [TS]

  pretty this crazy creation of a [TS]

  super-powered humans somebody bigger [TS]

  than humanity [TS]

  is most interesting when it's put in [TS]

  opposition to humanity and and it you [TS]

  know and then you've got them surrounded [TS]

  by other people who are similarly or [TS]

  differently super and that's a whole [TS]

  different dynamic it's not to say that [TS]

  it can't work but it's a really [TS]

  different approach than saying you know [TS]

  this is about Peter Parker and he's a [TS]

  kid who has powers and everybody else [TS]

  doesn't have powers and doesn't know [TS]

  he's got powers and how does he deal [TS]

  with it that I I you know that's pretty [TS]

  straightforward compared to these are [TS]

  even which is this lady even with the [TS]

  Fantastic Four there's sort of a family [TS]

  kind of because because reading soon and [TS]

  and then Johnny and then it breeds [TS]

  childhood friend been right but end the [TS]

  incredibles obviously as a family [TS]

  dynamic and very fantastic for like to [TS]

  but these kind of you know it's free you [TS]

  know just a random assortment Justice [TS]

  League Avengers they're just gonna [TS]

  smoosh together it's the idea and you [TS]

  would see this the Avengers every now [TS]

  and then where they're just all kind of [TS]

  sitting around a living room or around a [TS]

  conference table in their costumes [TS]

  yeah chatting like it's a good cup of [TS]

  coffee right it's kind of hard commerce [TS]

  exist guys let's just get jeans and [TS]

  t-shirts a right it's the workplace uh [TS]

  it's a workplace to come except it's a [TS]

  it's a drama and it's maybe and it's [TS]

  super well if it isn't adventures it [TS]

  pretty much is a workplace that job [TS]

  because these guys don't do this [TS]

  recreationally there at their own shield [TS]

  payroll or some of them are anyway Tom [TS]

  wherein twenty stark funded the Avengers [TS]

  for a long time to keep them on a [TS]

  payroll [TS]

  yeah I can't keep the entire story [TS]

  straight because Marvel who does so many [TS]

  switchbacks and so on and so forth but [TS]

  yet some point Tony's there on Tony [TS]

  Stark's payroll they all live in that [TS]

  that our together and they work together [TS]

  which sounds like my idea of hell and it [TS]

  isn't that weird but they have their own [TS]

  worlds to me not the other thing is some [TS]

  some of them [TS]

  Hawkeye doesn't alright we just wish for [TS]

  Marvel DC but they're all you know so [TS]

  excited talking about how the actual the [TS]

  concept doesn't work but could it [TS]

  are there examples where he does work [TS]

  well i think the fit and that's a great [TS]

  question usually host of this episode [TS]

  the authority interesting i was going to [TS]

  say that the the family examples that I [TS]

  gave our sort of my attempt like it's a [TS]

  family not a team if you can connect [TS]

  them in a you know well team [TS]

  team it's like not enough what is the [TS]

  bond that connects them and is it is it [TS]

  a shared of you know the problem with [TS]

  these teams i can get understand them [TS]

  banding together to fight a menace [TS]

  that's a cosmic big-scale Menace but the [TS]

  sort of like we're an ongoing kind of [TS]

  people and there's all kinds of [TS]

  circumstance for example if you look at [TS]

  the runaways who basically become a de [TS]

  facto teenaged super power to ya the [TS]

  response of circumstances though [TS]

  circumstances our parents are evil and [TS]

  trying to sell the world to two giant [TS]

  space demons from another dimension if [TS]

  Joss Whedon truly is can go to consult [TS]

  on a live-action Marvel based TV show [TS]

  for ABC he would have been really lovely [TS]

  little runaway would be the runaways [TS]

  that so so you have you have teams of [TS]

  circumstance like The Runaways and that [TS]

  seems to work out it's working out for [TS]

  them well enough because you can still [TS]

  have a lot of interesting things happen [TS]

  by virtue of the fact they're teenagers [TS]

  you have teams that are based on [TS]

  ideology like the authority because the [TS]

  thing that the five of them all have in [TS]

  common is we have superpowers and we [TS]

  have no problem using them to fix the [TS]

  world as we see fit and that's that's [TS]

  pretty much that the unifying principle [TS]

  that all five of them have going forth [TS]

  and then you have teams that are brought [TS]

  together through self interest for [TS]

  example i'm thinking of delsym own [TS]

  secret six where they're all they're all [TS]

  anti-heroes or or even really really [TS]

  mediocre villains and in the the origin [TS]

  story they get flung together by [TS]

  somebody who turns out to be Lex Luthor [TS]

  and uh huh [TS]

  they were like please feel free to work [TS]

  together or feel free to lose your life [TS]

  and all of them said you make a good [TS]

  point and they began working together on [TS]

  the thing that doesn't hold it for me is [TS]

  something [TS]

  well and this happens over and over in [TS]

  the Marvel verse is we live together we [TS]

  work together we hang out with each [TS]

  other constantly and I wonder if it's [TS]

  designed to appeal to teenagers things [TS]

  like the x-men or boat ride over in [TS]

  every school right there is I wanted my [TS]

  students always felt more like that than [TS]

  the experiment was a success for these [TS]

  are the original x-men I wonder if it's [TS]

  designed to explicitly to appeal to [TS]

  people whose whose entire social and [TS]

  vocational lives revolve around school [TS]

  at the moment where you know when your [TS]

  teenager your world is actually pretty [TS]

  circumscribed by family and by school so [TS]

  are you are using resting comics are [TS]

  kind of geared towards under overweight [TS]

  teenage boys [TS]

  never thought of it that way interesting [TS]

  the great dichotomy between the comics [TS]

  that are targeted overweight boys vs [TS]

  underway boys the skin I somebody walks [TS]

  into like get skinny comics to the left [TS]

  that that comics to the right [TS]

  what would be a bad comic friendship [TS]

  army America's I'm thinking spiderman [TS]

  spiderman fellow a common economic who [TS]

  what [TS]

  what's a what's a skinny guy starts out [TS]

  as a skinny he does but he's still the [TS]

  in your way to the kid that everybody [TS]

  picks on is put down which happens more [TS]

  for the facts and really consider kids [TS]

  so what's the skinny person skinny kid [TS]

  comic Vertigo's entirely kinda thinking [TS]

  ya sad to think that we were associated [TS]

  with golf which again not entirely in [TS]

  and out here while the subject is [TS]

  horrible crippling stereotypes that [TS]

  childhood trauma rounds no but I I think [TS]

  I mean what we seem to be sort of [TS]

  talking about is teams maybe make more [TS]

  sense when there is this underlying [TS]

  principle that gives you really have to [TS]

  have a reason for them that this [TS]

  connective tissue this this this bond [TS]

  that that makes them make more sense and [TS]

  and if it is just I mean that that's [TS]

  that's the issue with like justice [TS]

  league in the Avengers where I've been [TS]

  yeah it's like we're here to defend the [TS]

  planet but it's not quite the same as [TS]

  something like the authority that we're [TS]

  here to fix the planet as we see fit or [TS]

  the Exile cementing treatments you know [TS]

  the Exiles which I which I really liked [TS]

  which was a you know x-men from [TS]

  alternate universes banding together [TS]

  which they now serve Doug great pockets [TS]

  redoing that now essentially as extreme [TS]

  x-men but it's really the Exiles its [TS]

  alternate versions of them and they're [TS]

  sent out of their own reality so they're [TS]

  lost and they kind of have to band [TS]

  together to try to you know commit [TS]

  various horrible crimes and do these [TS]

  other missions in order to get back home [TS]

  theoretically sometimes that's like lost [TS]

  the TV serial it a little bit like that [TS]

  but again they have a reason well it [TS]

  turns out there's a plot twist about 50 [TS]

  issues in which i'm not gonna heavily [TS]

  spoil out that they say it reminds me [TS]

  here okay spoiler yeah [TS]

  miles away would you like wildlife video [TS]

  podcast this place you can still faces [TS]

  we make that spoiler spoiler back but [TS]

  the Exiles it ends up being actually a [TS]

  little bit more like the authority and [TS]

  storm watch where it turns out that [TS]

  there there is a backstory to who is [TS]

  sending them from reality the reality [TS]

  and there's like a head office for the [TS]

  the time brokers reality things but [TS]

  leave again there's an underlying [TS]

  principle there they have to be together [TS]

  for some reason not just because they're [TS]

  powerful and what was used to fight one [TS]

  of the most interesting Marvel team-up [TS]

  so that I consistently enjoy is x factor [TS]

  which centers around magic Matt Jamie [TS]

  Maddox's ex-factory investigations where [TS]

  he's out of the superhero game he just [TS]

  wants to solve crimes just a multiple [TS]

  man right yeah man yeah he basically [TS]

  goes by Jamie written by your computer [TS]

  david ben by popular I dropped it after [TS]

  the after the nightmare inducing birth [TS]

  storyline but but for the first 50 [TS]

  issues or so it was basically just a [TS]

  bunch of people who [TS]

  and to be fair you have the whole their [TS]

  co-workers conceit but these guys had [TS]

  more latitude to come and go then say [TS]

  the x-men seem too and it was mostly [TS]

  well i have to learn how to work with [TS]

  you [TS]

  situation and I like it when the teams [TS]

  are living in each other's back pockets [TS]

  but rather have pretty clearly defined [TS]

  boundaries this is what we do this right [TS]

  here this is how I'm going to relate to [TS]

  you and I'm going to take a break for [TS]

  you that we're done [TS]

  huh yeah yeah I just don't understand [TS]

  when they all live and work together and [TS]

  do so for hundreds upon hundreds of [TS]

  issues at a time once you get you get [TS]

  your main characters and you're [TS]

  supporting characters and so you get [TS]

  Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman are [TS]

  you you get you know Captain America and [TS]

  Iron Man and Wolverine in the end in the [TS]

  comics but not in movies because they [TS]

  20th century fox won't let that happen [TS]

  and spider-man but not the movies [TS]

  because columbia pictures won't let that [TS]

  happen I would worry from Hugh Jackman's [TS]

  health actually if he were to be [TS]

  imported into one of the the again on [TS]

  huge Ackman Robert Downey jr. Oh what [TS]

  would that be like a thousand overviews [TS]

  of exploded for happiness so that no one [TS]

  like Hugh Jackman's it is not for [TS]

  underweight and overweight chris evans [TS]

  is like this this 20-something how he [TS]

  could benchpress the rest of them I mean [TS]

  a few Jackman tries to keep his heart [TS]

  could burst [TS]

  I mean it's just anyway so this is [TS]

  absolutely how does your primaries but [TS]

  but the second then you've got your Hawk [TS]

  eyes or your Martian Manhunter your [TS]

  Hawkman you're going to get the entire [TS]

  tell me I I don't know who the beep that [TS]

  beep team is you've exposed my complete [TS]

  lack of DC knowledge that I don't even [TS]

  know what the Justice League be team is [TS]

  Adam an ant-man are well yeah when you [TS]

  have a second to your players and the [TS]

  wasp is on the Avengers and what do you [TS]

  know if they're also trying to reshuffle [TS]

  things because they keep throwing Black [TS]

  Canary into like justice league team [TS]

  leadership and and and pushing up to the [TS]

  818 and while philosophically I have no [TS]

  problem with that [TS]

  I feel sort of contrived but yeah you've [TS]

  got your you've got your you're a list [TS]

  in the DC Universe and then you've got [TS]

  the ones who pop in and pop that as [TS]

  necessary like Red Tornado and [TS]

  definitely a CD player [TS]

  oh god I'm you know I'm even blanking on [TS]

  the B players at this point because I'm [TS]

  Allah Azza town so sometimes they put [TS]

  the B players in charge [TS]

  yeah which is funny yeah and the [TS]

  programs i remember reading The Avengers [TS]

  when it was all vision and Scarlet Witch [TS]

  we're basically in charge and I was the [TS]

  Avengers always coast sure an authorized [TS]

  team and the and the the Great Lakes [TS]

  adventures of course which is one of [TS]

  those so it's interesting that we're [TS]

  important where it started and while [TS]

  fishing for a hike and guard where we're [TS]

  talking about team books right and ryan [TS]

  teams and it's interesting when you [TS]

  think of television you don't think of [TS]

  its a team show on television Colin and [TS]

  sambal caps and and is there a [TS]

  difference between a team book and what [TS]

  happens on television with in samba [TS]

  schools i would argue that there is yeah [TS]

  yeah and you can have in samples with [TS]

  with lead characters with an ensemble [TS]

  built around them which is you know I [TS]

  see that all the time but it tends to [TS]

  not be super e superpower EP people [TS]

  around them although i'm going to bring [TS]

  up my favorite TV show of all time buffy [TS]

  the vampire slayer it turns out that [TS]

  many of the in-sample characters did [TS]

  have powers but Buffy was at the core of [TS]

  it as opposed to I know where you're [TS]

  going with this which is top 10 by Alan [TS]

  Moore which we're going to talk about [TS]

  which is like Hill Street loser and not [TS]

  even like NYPD Blue Hill Street Blues [TS]

  where there's literally [TS]

  sure no lead character now this great [TS]

  main character is the police precinct [TS]

  and and that's a you know or like that's [TS]

  like a hospital show almost like it [TS]

  anyway the main character is is the is [TS]

  the is the shared is the universe or the [TS]

  war the fictitious world because you [TS]

  know before this podcast started we're [TS]

  trying to get it going everybody was [TS]

  talking about the little details that [TS]

  build up this fantastic role in top 10 [TS]

  and i think the guy i think the world is [TS]

  the main character much the same way [TS]

  that Baltimore is the main character of [TS]

  this of the show the wire [TS]

  mm you know everybody else is just kind [TS]

  of moving within you know [TS]

  yeah no that'sthat's that's it so so [TS]

  before we get to alan moore and top 10 [TS]

  i'm just wondering are there any other [TS]

  any other thoughts we should we should [TS]

  talk about the Avengers at least briefly [TS]

  in this context like I i enjoyed it [TS]

  I I thought it was fun you know I [TS]

  thought it was fun and I met and I like [TS]

  I enjoyed the interplay because if [TS]

  you're going to have ridiculously [TS]

  powered people all bumping into each [TS]

  other you know you've got to have them [TS]

  fight based on a misunderstanding [TS]

  because that has to happen but but you [TS]

  you've got to have this giant outside [TS]

  personalities and powers bang off each [TS]

  other and I you know and that was for me [TS]

  that was what was fun about it is that [TS]

  that it didn't take it seriously and i [TS]

  read that they're gonna do you no [TS]

  justice league movie from DC and it's [TS]

  going to be sort of got responsibilities [TS]

  the same sensibility of christopher [TS]

  nolan kind of stuff and I just think how [TS]

  can you it's just I can't even imagine i [TS]

  think it needs to be ridiculous and oh [TS]

  and it's and that's why i like you good [TS]

  man how can you have us [TS]

  christopher nolan style movie with [TS]

  automatic a lebaron yet haven't like [TS]

  sitting in a murky tank or a ball in the [TS]

  air pneus to see Chris Nolan and stuff [TS]

  people for a long time that you can only [TS]

  do a campy Batman trail you know so they [TS]

  all schumacher actually was as part of [TS]

  the slide to it not but he was part of [TS]

  the slide towards a darker more complex [TS]

  back then because first they did [TS]

  aesthetically and then they did it [TS]

  automatically I after his Batman I vowed [TS]

  never to see joel schumacher film ever [TS]

  and i'm happy to say I've never gotten [TS]

  most of Hollywood feels the same yeah so [TS]

  the avengers movie i was pleasantly [TS]

  surprised and it was and it was those [TS]

  kind of playful moments of Tony Stark [TS]

  kind of [TS]

  poking bruce banner and and yes but [TS]

  that's clearly the best thing in the [TS]

  movies yeah it's the Tony Stark Bruce [TS]

  Banner relationships forwards there and [TS]

  he's a pain and Captain America is very [TS]

  square-jawed and yet has a sense of [TS]

  humor and kind of first Tony's bubble of [TS]

  baseball cards [TS]

  yeah and videos i thought it was a [TS]

  better movie then then it should take it [TS]

  should have been yeah like it was a [TS]

  really worked well when you hire a lot [TS]

  of oscar nominees to run around in [TS]

  tights [TS]

  I thought twice and the first time I saw [TS]

  it's not an opening weekend with my [TS]

  brother and all of his pals who actually [TS]

  work in and around the comic industry [TS]

  and it was a very fannish experiencing [TS]

  people laughing and applauding and and [TS]

  although there was some tool who kept [TS]

  screaming towards and you can't leave [TS]

  yet there's a second-stringer see [TS]

  there's a second thing which all right [TS]

  shut up [TS]

  it was you know that are being helpful [TS]

  so you know I enjoy and I enjoyed the [TS]

  communal experience and and really got [TS]

  into the movie and was relieved that it [TS]

  was actually good or relieved that it [TS]

  was actually enjoyable because it could [TS]

  have been so bad it could been like a [TS]

  fantastic four level bad and who ya bad [TS]

  we dodged a bullet right so then i read [TS]

  about the movie and I dragged my husband [TS]

  to see it [TS]

  my husband who likes neither superhero [TS]

  films nor joss whedon yeah and we get [TS]

  out of that and feels like it's not [TS]

  fight disliked it per se at home oh man [TS]

  and we actually then spent dinner [TS]

  talking about what he correctly pointed [TS]

  out he thought were some of the weak [TS]

  parts of the films such as well with it [TS]

  totally everybody sounds like because [TS]

  everybody sounds so much like a joss [TS]

  whedon character you've got you know [TS]

  you've got a billionaire who has [TS]

  basically the same sort of snappy patter [TS]

  as a loaner who's been living in [TS]

  Calcutta top as a off-the-grid doctor as [TS]

  somebody who was raised in the redwood [TS]

  room in Russia as Captain America so [TS]

  you've got these people from five [TS]

  different periods of time and [TS]

  backgrounds who all sound alike and you [TS]

  know that's that's kind of a joss whedon [TS]

  tick it is that said having again having [TS]

  seen it twice better than it had the [TS]

  right to be an enjoyable experience and [TS]

  oh thank god [TS]

  yeah yeah I know and and their arguments [TS]

  every night I had this argument with an [TS]

  do not go on on this podcast then that [TS]

  uh you know the expectation shouldn't [TS]

  factor into it but i think on one level [TS]

  on one level it does because if you go [TS]

  in with to someplace with a little [TS]

  expectation and you end up with a high [TS]

  expectation that affects your judgment [TS]

  but also i just think about it just on a [TS]

  very basic level of could an avengers [TS]

  movie ever be anything but a train wreck [TS]

  and it I would not put the flashes very [TS]

  high fever was such a disappointment [TS]

  evil because even with kenneth branagh [TS]

  directing it and you've had a fairly [TS]

  solid cast it was still really [TS]

  disappointing very inert movie and I [TS]

  thought you know we could end up with [TS]

  something just as in her where it sits [TS]

  there is a mission and they all come [TS]

  together blood and said it was just kind [TS]

  of the Zippy here's how the team gets [TS]

  together and oh by the way Hawkeye [TS]

  spends most of the movie working against [TS]

  them and it was very joss whedon yeah [TS]

  like they didn't I think it only worked [TS]

  because he knows how do i want the good [TS]

  and bad it was very just I think given [TS]

  given all the Givens their of what he [TS]

  had to do because of how they'd set it [TS]

  up in fact that he sort of inserted his [TS]

  own voice in me and that he was coming [TS]

  saving it [TS]

  yeah I think he did which is great [TS]

  because usually mark ruffalo is the MVP [TS]

  of that movie over and over laughs yeah [TS]

  they finally got it right with the Hulk [TS]

  well I think it's your expert third [TS]

  third third try anything since your [TS]

  expectations because the hooks movies [TS]

  were so bad [TS]

  oh and both in their different ways i [TS]

  don't think i've ever seen the edward [TS]

  norton one I would it's bad in the way [TS]

  the the Superman remake movie was bad oh [TS]

  well it's a little bit to try to pay [TS]

  homage Jim the TV show do did it they [TS]

  use the music and everything or did you [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  yeah i got so one more thing that it [TS]

  didn't occur to me till just now the [TS]

  x-men first class [TS]

  oh yeah did a really good kind of team [TS]

  movie that didn't use the kind of humor [TS]

  joss whedon pitter-patter and still [TS]

  pulled it off [TS]

  they also had a stellar cast x january [TS]

  jones though because she was not see you [TS]

  see I have to put a disclaimer but you [TS]

  know when you've got Jennifer Lawrence [TS]

  and it was grains mcavoy and Michael [TS]

  Fassbender it took not remember his name [TS]

  like you know the guy who's naked a lot [TS]

  Michael hydroxyl in the on-screen I need [TS]

  magneto yeah but she's still pretty [TS]

  oh yeah sure sure she is but that was [TS]

  just do that he had to sound like a [TS]

  madman frost that was a question as to [TS]

  who is hollywood today would make a [TS]

  really good at my frost because i have [TS]

  been banging my brains out [TS]

  transportation sound it's not a [TS]

  conversation with Lisa without some [TS]

  fantasy movie casting I missed my [TS]

  calling is why we should do a fantasy [TS]

  movie casting episode so yeah because [TS]

  you would just own it [TS]

  who would be an emma frost I don't know [TS]

  yeah I have no idea somebody well maybe [TS]

  the answer is there isn't anybody in [TS]

  january jones was the best they could [TS]

  get but we'll see if you have kind of an [TS]

  adulterer on the nineteen nineties you [TS]

  probably had it but this one [TS]

  no you need somebody who's kind of icy [TS]

  and yet I want unexpected streak of of [TS]

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  the daddy top 10 top 10 by Alan Moore [TS]

  engine huh [TS]

  and-and-and candor and this letter my [TS]

  Tatiana and dander cannon sorry let us [TS]

  not let's top clients of lettering and [TS]

  he does a really good job [TS]

  alright and I mention that because he's [TS]

  doing lettering for fables now too and [TS]

  that's another one that requires a lot [TS]

  of different stuff so top-10 started [TS]

  1999 and as part of America's best [TS]

  combinations best comics written and can [TS]

  owned by an englishman english man which [TS]

  was hysterical [TS]

  sure well and for those I so so where to [TS]

  begin with this thing this thing is so [TS]

  big and overflowing with ideas and [TS]

  images that it it kind of takes I mean [TS]

  this is not something this is not [TS]

  economic you can blow through right it's [TS]

  not like it was so dense but but i will [TS]

  say before we get into what i wanted to [TS]

  just say for people who think watch men [TS]

  is Alan Moore's definitive take on [TS]

  superheroes and then he went on to do [TS]

  lots of other things he went back to [TS]

  superheroes in 1999 and get them really [TS]

  and it's amazing it may not be you know [TS]

  it's not a watchman is shaped very [TS]

  differently than something like top 10 [TS]

  which is health street blues with [TS]

  superhero cops but it is it is so much [TS]

  more if you like to Eleanor's kind of [TS]

  commentary on a tease comics in watch [TS]

  men his commentary on superheroes in [TS]

  late nineties early two thousands in top [TS]

  10 is something you better not miss [TS]

  because it's it's fantastic and dense [TS]

  and just heal area is it is so so fun if [TS]

  he emptied his bucket of ideas about [TS]

  superheroes and watch men it refilled [TS]

  because this and then he got another [TS]

  bucket it's just amazing so I what he [TS]

  was trying to accomplish with this from [TS]

  reading interviews with him at the time [TS]

  a he didn't in his reading comics never [TS]

  thought team books worked and didn't [TS]

  think the interplay between the [TS]

  characters in the way the stories flowed [TS]

  worked and he wondered why a comic-book [TS]

  couldn't read like a cop show or a [TS]

  lawyer show on television essentially in [TS]

  tom [TS]

  why our team books example can stumble [TS]

  you know and so he went out to he [TS]

  literally created a cop comic book and [TS]

  the cop comic book just happens to be in [TS]

  a a world where everybody has super [TS]

  powers right cops the people the animals [TS]

  and it's part of an acknowledged [TS]

  multiverse [TS]

  so the rise guys are also aware that [TS]

  there are other universes where dip [TS]

  other other parallel Earth's where [TS]

  outcomes have been different and they [TS]

  can travel back and forth between and in [TS]

  fact their management hierarchy goes up [TS]

  into the multiverse so that the [TS]

  Commissioner is from you know universe [TS]

  one and is it is supervising them and [TS]

  they're in universe 10 which is why it's [TS]

  called top 10 [TS]

  yep so I think for what he was trying to [TS]

  accomplish with that ensemble cast and [TS]

  like make it feel just like a police [TS]

  kind of television drama i would say he [TS]

  more than accomplished he starts off the [TS]

  book with the time-honored cop show [TS]

  convention usually new cop new [TS]

  characters out rookie cop first then [TS]

  jabba comes in and you think about how [TS]

  many how many cop shows start with that [TS]

  premise where there's a new crop it gets [TS]

  transferred to the division and they're [TS]

  forced to figure out everything in a [TS]

  hurry and overseeing the chauffeur and [TS]

  it's overwhelming [TS]

  yeah because this book is so dense and [TS]

  it's overwhelming for her too [TS]

  yeah and as opposed to base so you don't [TS]

  feel you don't feel like I'm missing [TS]

  something no no you're not [TS]

  or yes you're missing everything because [TS]

  it's home it's so dense ya know what day [TS]

  it feels very much like a TV show in [TS]

  that the individual issues tend to have [TS]

  some self contained plots or at least [TS]

  some short plots I i kept thinking of [TS]

  homicide [TS]

  yes yes the great Jerry showing promise [TS]

  for the wire but very much like homicide [TS]

  where was where was a little more [TS]

  episodic because the network and you [TS]

  would have episodes where you know that [TS]

  short-term plots would happen over one [TS]

  or two episodes and then they would be [TS]

  some longer-term arcs and top 10 is like [TS]

  that there are crimes that that are are [TS]

  committed and resolved in one issue or [TS]

  one or two issues and summer Messier and [TS]

  they go over three four five six issues [TS]

  with a little arching planned others [TS]

  overall like the season long story arc [TS]

  and and he and it's masterful smart [TS]

  plotting oh my gosh it's just really [TS]

  smart plotting when because you go back [TS]

  and you look at the structure of the [TS]

  story and all of the little called [TS]

  next they do back-and-forth I did not [TS]

  like along those lines how the various [TS]

  plots kind of flowed in and out team and [TS]

  the characters floated and out so one [TS]

  character who is super important in one [TS]

  issue you don't see them or the plot for [TS]

  a couple issues other things come up [TS]

  even though you might hear a little bit [TS]

  about it and that you get to like see [TS]

  slices of all the characters lives you [TS]

  meet some of their families go to some [TS]

  of their homes and see them outside of [TS]

  their work environment and the the fact [TS]

  that one character wasn't a highlighted [TS]

  any more than any other character [TS]

  well I like the character progression to [TS]

  do with snacks over the course the [TS]

  series where my first one he's just this [TS]

  really closed off jerk and by like this [TS]

  is the new cops partner yeah Mac and you [TS]

  just tall blue my honorable invulnerable [TS]

  and in the first issue that kind of a [TS]

  jerk he's in the first she's a total box [TS]

  yeah not be confused by box and then you [TS]

  see I thinking like issue 10 the very [TS]

  end or issue 11 after she's been [TS]

  incapacitated and can't take care of her [TS]

  Alzheimer's written father you see him [TS]

  bathing her father for her and taking [TS]

  care and you realize just kind of how [TS]

  their relationship has developed and how [TS]

  he's actually developed a little bit as [TS]

  a character over the corporations and [TS]

  they don't beat you over the head with [TS]

  it right before that happened [TS]

  his uncle who raised him died yeah he [TS]

  found out died even though you kind of [TS]

  saw a glimpse of that like several [TS]

  issues earlier it was it sits so let's [TS]

  imagine masterful like you said kind of [TS]

  weaving of the plot [TS]

  I'll plus the extermination plot let the [TS]

  cats and mice yeah yeah so we'll get you [TS]

  he was whose whose aunt's house or moms [TS]

  house is a the dust rider just know the [TS]

  guy with the guy with the cowboy hey i [TS]

  just have all hands away in his name [TS]

  hasn't does dust devil he has an [TS]

  infestation her in his mom's house of [TS]

  mice center power and it turns out their [TS]

  super-powered mice for up from various [TS]

  realities and they're also prepared cats [TS]

  and they begin to reenact like there's a [TS]

  look at the supercollider and I don't [TS]

  think they're a guy dressed like the [TS]

  Justice League [TS]

  well some of them are some of them are [TS]

  just like the fantastic four others [TS]

  because Galactus nothing like this cat [TS]

  comments i was going to die so let's see [TS]

  what happens [TS]

  and perhaps this is a spoiler but not [TS]

  really as the comic is like thirty [TS]

  dollars out [TS]

  right so it's not so there was there's [TS]

  the superpower my so of course you call [TS]

  an exterminator who brings superpower [TS]

  cat of course and so then then several [TS]

  issues later and cloud it's like days of [TS]

  writers past yeah so the cats on the Mac [TS]

  Meister now waging these wars and [TS]

  there's a moment where the guy says it's [TS]

  because i actually have it here i got a [TS]

  dog the right thing and he's like no [TS]

  dogs no what no what I said went to a [TS]

  constant was like well you know they're [TS]

  going to get to alternate universes at [TS]

  this point they're the continuities [TS]

  gonna get ya doing [TS]

  Dwayne comes back to check on it and the [TS]

  exterminator tells him it's not not [TS]

  going well and actually says you see you [TS]

  get enough science animals together it's [TS]

  a big event next thing it escalates and [TS]

  you get a whole secret crisis more [TS]

  crossover thing going on [TS]

  inevitably cosmic powers get involved [TS]

  you know how it is when you turn the [TS]

  page and you see the Galactic Eliza cat [TS]

  and the mr. the what's the Eternity [TS]

  mouse [TS]

  yeah but as long as many other mice and [TS]

  cat characters fighting it out in his [TS]

  mother's apartment of course the whole [TS]

  thing about this is now his mother is [TS]

  living with him [TS]

  mhm which is why the house is infected [TS]

  which is really affecting his sex life [TS]

  yeah he's gotta clean up his act and [TS]

  he's not liking that what i really enjoy [TS]

  is how his mother back in the sixties as [TS]

  an interrogator known as truth or dare [TS]

  right it's just we took the whole truth [TS]

  thing to a whole new level yeah yeah [TS]

  it's like almost like this and not this [TS]

  one [TS]

  so so let's see what other I mean they [TS]

  did some fascinating characters but they [TS]

  got the there's the the woman who is [TS]

  she's actually naked all the time your [TS]

  skin makes artificial clothing girl on [TS]

  but different she's from a different [TS]

  earth but Caesar the sergeant who is a [TS]

  dog [TS]

  yes with a cybernetic human skeleton [TS]

  that he wears kmc doesn't see color [TS]

  yeah and so he knows that she's naked [TS]

  all along and she's very upset and [TS]

  there's this fascinating scene where he [TS]

  says look don't worry about it i'm not [TS]

  attracted to you I'm a dog I like dogs [TS]

  not people and additional twist [TS]

  yeah in that because it turns out maybe [TS]

  does like people but I maybe just like [TS]

  that specific person and there's a woman [TS]

  never share [TS]

  there's a woman who can can walk through [TS]

  walls [TS]

  there's the woman who [TS]

  the receptionist the tacky at the police [TS]

  forces Janice and she's two-faced janus [TS]

  was just such a beautiful plan on [TS]

  because all police dispatchers are [TS]

  always named janice rd anise and then [TS]

  you have somebody who's actually the [TS]

  two-headed god yeah basically and she [TS]

  hadn't I don't like tired from that [TS]

  other precinct yes him in the other hand [TS]

  on the other earth in the Grand Central [TS]

  Precinct set cruisers it's crazy there [TS]

  so clearly we all you know it's funny [TS]

  that you mentioned the homicide life on [TS]

  the street parallel because there's an [TS]

  issue i'm trying to find it while you're [TS]

  doing that the just for the audience [TS]

  listening at home often when we're [TS]

  sitting here we have the comics on our [TS]

  iPad so we've already digitally for some [TS]

  this is the first time I think we've [TS]

  come in all of us have a hard copy of [TS]

  the book in front of us and are like [TS]

  yeah coming through and yeah for this [TS]

  started we're pointing out stuff that's [TS]

  it's pretty nice to not it's not [TS]

  available digitally as far as i can tell [TS]

  i did search on comixology last night [TS]

  but I have that but at the trade that i [TS]

  got from amazon so there are a billion [TS]

  of the paper collections are out there [TS]

  it's unfortunate that the episode with [TS]

  the teleporter accident is almost a [TS]

  frame for frame remake of a homicide on [TS]

  the street weapons that were interested [TS]

  to know for you have switched off the [TS]

  platform onto any good for contract [TS]

  between each platform and a subway car [TS]

  and he's cut in half and he they know [TS]

  he's gonna die then we can move the car [TS]

  that it's gonna kill its gonna bring [TS]

  those eventually and and basically the [TS]

  entire episode is a bottle episode [TS]

  between him and Andre Braugher where [TS]

  they talk and it was a really touching [TS]

  scene Lord do even better yeah it's [TS]

  basically the same thing where that [TS]

  where the giant rock is is issuing these [TS]

  philosophical profundities while the [TS]

  born-again Christian is talking to the [TS]

  guy who stuck inside the giant rook and [TS]

  it was yes because they are these giant [TS]

  eggs alien animal guys who are playing [TS]

  the great game and you think that [TS]

  they're like think they're the the huge [TS]

  gamers or whatever they are giant gamers [TS]

  and and there's a teleporter accident [TS]

  and they're they're kind of intertwined [TS]

  and his the guy's wife is dead on [TS]

  arrival and this guy's gonna die and [TS]

  then they're really mad at this other [TS]

  guy even the gamer even though he didn't [TS]

  most involved like this is a game and by [TS]

  the end the real angeleyes its chest [TS]

  they are they are uh it's full it's [TS]

  essentially philosopher religion and the [TS]

  game is life and the black pieces are [TS]

  chaos [TS]

  and the white pieces are ordered amid [TS]

  the chaos and their Creed is that every [TS]

  time you see a star it's proof that [TS]

  order and higher values have triumphed [TS]

  over cast entropy because i did one of [TS]

  the last things that the guy dying guy [TS]

  says is well gee if you look up there's [TS]

  way more black and white so so is black [TS]

  winning and and the the dying creature [TS]

  says no no [TS]

  look at all that white it started out [TS]

  all black yeah it's just beautiful and [TS]

  we can go and so weird and yet so [TS]

  beautiful and that's in one issue that [TS]

  starts with one of the case the whole [TS]

  with Tara green waking up and next to [TS]

  her husband and take a shower and [TS]

  putting on a costume and hearing on the [TS]

  radio that there's been this accident [TS]

  and going there and and then by the end [TS]

  we've had this whole kind of story [TS]

  happen in a single issue which is also [TS]

  pretty cool and then on top because we [TS]

  can talk about how dense this book is [TS]

  yeah and it actually was a long time to [TS]

  read an issue which hasn't happened for [TS]

  me reading African a long time no most [TS]

  modern comics you can just blow through [TS]

  them right the backgrounds aren't that [TS]

  compelling and yet i found myself [TS]

  writing every single billboard on the [TS]

  street because they've got ya [TS]

  they've got they've got a billboard for [TS]

  hair gel that turns your Wolverine like [TS]

  here to actual human hair which i [TS]

  thought was a wonderful throw a joke [TS]

  there's a guy when he hallucinates he [TS]

  hallucinates some all of the characters [TS]

  from The Sandman and you see them [TS]

  popping around and should the character [TS]

  the the main guy who you're talking to [TS]

  the whole time who stuck in the giant [TS]

  rook and his wife who's already dead [TS]

  they're based on a pc guy with the [TS]

  rocket he goes to the other world and it [TS]

  Adam Strange who himself is based on [TS]

  just was that disney movie that failed [TS]

  the john carter and essentially he talks [TS]

  about how he and his wife go to that [TS]

  other planet and do these adventures and [TS]

  she's from their planet and if you look [TS]

  at their costumes it's very similar and [TS]

  so like there's just so much density and [TS]

  it's not it's referential to not just [TS]

  comics but you literature like a lot [TS]

  more likes to do but then you also have [TS]

  all the hanna-barbera characters are in [TS]

  there and he has clients it's really [TS]

  this incredible rich reading experience [TS]

  that I can't believe they never made an [TS]

  absolute collection because i would love [TS]

  to be able to see these panels bigger [TS]

  and really dig into the I want to help [TS]

  it like the tailor's with the no digital [TS]

  ability and the and and the lack of a [TS]

  kind of a large-sized collection for [TS]

  these because this is this is on you [TS]

  know I ir heard about this I think maybe [TS]

  even from you and I'm amazed that more [TS]

  people i meet some people seem to know [TS]

  about it yeah it's really kind of [TS]

  amazing stuff and even among Alan [TS]

  Moore's work it seems to be kind of not [TS]

  even noticed more people are more likely [TS]

  to talk about promethea I think than [TS]

  this and Prometheus another one that you [TS]

  have to read very slowly as the [TS]

  background just people they're really [TS]

  more likely to talk about watch man for [TS]

  me i'll be for Vendetta is a tease work [TS]

  last night [TS]

  swapping yeah I can never say something [TS]

  without hearing wild thing in my head in [TS]

  the background snob thing the pic but [TS]

  know what I wanted this the things and [TS]

  this is not really spoiling the series i [TS]

  really enjoy the critical eye he casts [TS]

  on comic book culture as a whole [TS]

  both and and that we see the light [TS]

  hearted part of that with the [TS]

  extermination plotline where it's cats [TS]

  and mice reenacting some of the greatest [TS]

  crossover events from DC and Marvel and [TS]

  then you get the really dark stab you in [TS]

  the gut twist when you find out what the [TS]

  seven sentinels have been up to and [TS]

  Kevin Smith that kind of approach the [TS]

  same subject when he rebooted green [TS]

  lantern and one of the lines that's a [TS]

  throw line is when the revived Oliver [TS]

  Queen is like what were we thinking [TS]

  running around with all of these [TS]

  sidekicks but this just takes it a whole [TS]

  new and dark direction one that's [TS]

  completely plausible within the universe [TS]

  and for a police precinct and you you [TS]

  look at you like oh wow thats thats dark [TS]

  certainly becomes an episode of that [TS]

  special victims unit [TS]

  yeah but you know it's it's it's just [TS]

  another really really trenchant [TS]

  criticism of the kind of things that [TS]

  mainstream comic readers will just 20 of [TS]

  course so-and-so has a stable of [TS]

  teenagers living in their house why [TS]

  wouldn't care about going to take it [TS]

  back by the way I I i searched last [TS]

  night for top 10 and didn't find it on [TS]

  comixology because i put a space between [TS]

  top and 10 but if you search for top-10 [TS]

  top-10 no spaces it is those 12 issues [TS]

  of of the original top-10 are available [TS]

  digitally you can go out and get them [TS]

  John get the one by one but like this [TS]

  one is you really make money but I get [TS]

  Amazon's got the trade papers you want [TS]

  the tactile experience because I i read [TS]

  them both this way and by blowing them [TS]

  up on my huge monitor and i have to tell [TS]

  you I still was able to pick up a whole [TS]

  lot more in terms of expressions and art [TS]

  with the paper copy [TS]

  yeah it is the detail is is I mean my [TS]

  first introduction into that level of [TS]

  detail was watchman and thinking oh my [TS]

  god i can read this multiple times and [TS]

  get something new out of it by slowing [TS]

  down knowing that i already know the [TS]

  plot and just going back and looking at [TS]

  the corners [TS]

  the funny thing is this book is so dense [TS]

  that I you almost can't you can't do the [TS]

  old i'm going to do a pass and then come [TS]

  back you just can't its there's too much [TS]

  and I can understand how that means that [TS]

  this is probably not the most accessible [TS]

  book out there it is super dense but [TS]

  it's definitely good and its a good yeah [TS]

  but actually I wonder would it be [TS]

  possible to ignore all those references [TS]

  in all of that density and just read it [TS]

  as a cop murder ya done it kind of thing [TS]

  I should have you with allies like my [TS]

  litmus test [TS]

  no I'm not kidding he's like my life [TS]

  feeling that you've gotta be you gotta [TS]

  be comic literate in the sense of being [TS]

  able to read the forum because it is so [TS]

  dense [TS]

  yeah um it's not it's not an easy read [TS]

  that way but it's a I think it works i [TS]

  mean some of the references are I [TS]

  assumed I was missing lots of references [TS]

  and there is the overarching story I [TS]

  don't require the references [TS]

  I don't know really no I tations online [TS]

  yeah is that keep that's it's been a [TS]

  long time since i searched the last time [TS]

  i did there wasn't anyone that could [TS]

  have been a decade ago [TS]

  yeah so there might be today but what we [TS]

  need is for like a group of teenage [TS]

  girls to embrace this is their fandom [TS]

  because they would pull it together [TS]

  there is nothing like a bunch of of [TS]

  college girls on tumblr to take [TS]

  something and effective panel by panel [TS]

  yeah so when I say everything goes well [TS]

  how do she's one of my favorite scenes [TS]

  is when they're when smacks visits his [TS]

  partner toy box in the hospital yeah [TS]

  after that the big battle at the [TS]

  precinct has happened and as their he's [TS]

  walking through the hallways in the [TS]

  hospital you see every doctor character [TS]

  ever so like doctor who is there dr. [TS]

  strange dr. doom [TS]

  dr. fate basically any doctor characters [TS]

  you can kind of glimpse wandering the [TS]

  halls of this hospital which is mostly [TS]

  wondering what kind of doctor doctor [TS]

  doctor do what actually practice [TS]

  he's a very bad doctor OBGYNs internal [TS]

  internal valley pediatrics is internal [TS]

  medicine he specializes in taking your [TS]

  internal things and moving them to the [TS]

  external by a blast i have to look at [TS]

  the guy i found a site that has that [TS]

  claims to have annotations of top 10 [TS]

  from from Tamilnadu looks like because [TS]

  if you ever read The Watchmen that the [TS]

  watch annotations watchman is amazing [TS]

  the annotated I'm kingdom com is is [TS]

  insane [TS]

  if you find those animations that that [TS]

  is that is just that's another book to [TS]

  modeling yeah these detail ones where [TS]

  you really could just study it carefully [TS]

  it is amazing that Alex Ross could do [TS]

  work after that book like and it's not [TS]

  just in a room somewhere [TS]

  mumbling about DC continuity well that's [TS]

  hot that's how i feel about top 10 is [TS]

  like this this this is the feeling of it [TS]

  of a work that drove its creators mad [TS]

  because it's that level of like effort [TS]

  that must have been poured into it [TS]

  yeah I don't think the three of them [TS]

  have worked together again I don't know [TS]

  what that means but so let's talk about [TS]

  it as a as a cop story that how does it [TS]

  compare to other cop stories like I [TS]

  don't know if you read powers I haven't [TS]

  either been descamps yeah i read it [TS]

  cop kind of story and they're actually [TS]

  normal cops in a superhero work with [TS]

  these are super hero cops and superhero [TS]

  world and criminal against by Brubaker [TS]

  make the same thing I haven't that with [TS]

  it are just looking at it then just as a [TS]

  whodunit cop murder mysteries [TS]

  how does it stand up in a classic kind [TS]

  of things i always thought the Bendis [TS]

  books really fell down where it was sort [TS]

  of like you go through six issues of a [TS]

  murder story and then suddenly the peak [TS]

  they find out who did it and it was like [TS]

  a character they just introduced three [TS]

  minutes before you found out they did it [TS]

  you're like what know what is this i get [TS]

  the Christie right and something that [TS]

  John works so how did this holdup bear [TS]

  in mind i'm going to compare this to a [TS]

  TV show just because I think that both [TS]

  this series and TV shows tend to benefit [TS]

  from the episodic nature of the [TS]

  storytelling because you can loop in [TS]

  different stories of different duration [TS]

  and while we started with the hill [TS]

  street blues thing this is almost like a [TS]

  Southland [TS]

  or well i would say it's almost like [TS]

  Southland which is currently on TNT and [TS]

  is a very good cop show and i would say [TS]

  the case is held up because you had your [TS]

  really obvious ones which were you know [TS]

  I roll and solve like the murder of all [TS]

  door and then ice [TS]

  I i I'd like to twist i did not see [TS]

  coming and maybe it's because I didn't [TS]

  read closely enough but when you have [TS]

  the sin that the synesthesia detective [TS]

  who throughout the entire book is is [TS]

  she's like well your classical music [TS]

  here Beethoven the graduation narrows it [TS]

  down to ode to joy right and then that [TS]

  turns out to be what unlocks like two [TS]

  separate cases at once i was all wow [TS]

  yeah wow I'm because i'm sure all the [TS]

  pieces were there and if i go back and [TS]

  reread again I'll be able to see that [TS]

  they're all there but on the first that [TS]

  shock of the fresh where we're all of a [TS]

  sudden all the pieces come together and [TS]

  it's that it was just talking to kaiser [TS]

  soze moment like that because it was [TS]

  because you're like oh my gosh [TS]

  all the pieces are in front of him and [TS]

  and now and now it's a glorious whole um [TS]

  yeah I i was really satisfied as a [TS]

  reader like on it and not just know this [TS]

  is pretty and it's so detailed and it [TS]

  rewards a comic book reader i was really [TS]

  satisfied as that it has kept his is [TS]

  rewarded me for paying attention and his [TS]

  still managed to surprise me [TS]

  yeah it'sit's you want a combination of [TS]

  characters and story so if it's just the [TS]

  mystery i think it's less interesting [TS]

  and if it's just the characters it's [TS]

  lesson [TS]

  yeah but you do enjoy the you know the [TS]

  eye-rolling cases that are not that [TS]

  interesting are funny from a character [TS]

  respective like yet we gotta do our job [TS]

  and then there are these more the long [TS]

  games that get played [TS]

  you know I really enjoyed the the [TS]

  creature the alien creature that was [TS]

  down in the sewers storyline where its [TS]

  menacing for a long time and you're like [TS]

  what is it and what is happening and [TS]

  then the explanation is is fairly simple [TS]

  yeah is there's this alien creature [TS]

  that's eating people that are the sewers [TS]

  that that's what she does when she's not [TS]

  being a porn star [TS]

  yeah that was that was my favorite part [TS]

  you know what she was a big fifties [TS]

  superhero [TS]

  yeah it was super hero in the seventies [TS]

  style porn star and now she eats people [TS]

  sheets people you have that was growing [TS]

  sense that telepathic projections which [TS]

  yeah and the really mr. pete yeah yeah [TS]

  so I thought it worked on both levels [TS]

  yeah yeah I [TS]

  more cop shows were actually like this [TS]

  to be to be frank with superpowers [TS]

  no no to where where where there was a [TS]

  healthy element of loopiness because one [TS]

  of the problems with cop shows on TV i [TS]

  think is a lot of them are just way too [TS]

  freaking serious there's a series i was [TS]

  watching on hulu the summer called the [TS]

  unusual which was a failed ABC series [TS]

  that actually manage this balance of [TS]

  some of levity in gravity and so [TS]

  naturally it failed but this reminds me [TS]

  of that in a way where you have these [TS]

  characters who all have who will bring [TS]

  their own baggage to work and and still [TS]

  managed to get the job done and so it's [TS]

  very funny and something is not [TS]

  yeah well i think the the the 1i found [TS]

  that she was I found a really funny [TS]

  where the that Godzilla oh my character [TS]

  is especially his dad comes to bail them [TS]

  out with yeah yeah I don't destroy you [TS]

  all the shrink him down [TS]

  yeah pick them up in their hands I'm not [TS]

  gonna be big like Google Gojira sure [TS]

  that most of his menacing of the city [TS]

  was just because he was drunk and fell [TS]

  down on it yeah and he happened to be a [TS]

  very dangerous when your large like no [TS]

  yes and then the God bar owners just [TS]

  great [TS]

  where there is a bar where all of the [TS]

  Gods hangout and the police are called [TS]

  because it's when they interviews and [TS]

  he's like this used to be the kind of [TS]

  place you could take your whole pantheon [TS]

  we should say that there's a lot of [TS]

  funny stuff in here and it is it is [TS]

  funny and horrifying and kind of all at [TS]

  the same time and yeah it's it's amazing [TS]

  that this is essentially i always say [TS]

  this when I tell people about it and [TS]

  he'll know you have to pick up top 10 it [TS]

  is one of the three books i would bring [TS]

  to a desert island if I had to spend the [TS]

  rest of my life with only three books [TS]

  wow what are the other two The Sandman [TS]

  and i'm leaving the third one still open [TS]

  okay yeah you got a slot open in case [TS]

  something falls my rewrites and man like [TS]

  within the last six min this is the [TS]

  hazard of packing my comics we're moving [TS]

  into breeding a lot of them and that's [TS]

  why I took like three days to pack them [TS]

  and I was actually shocked at how [TS]

  weirdly the Earth's it's on my eyes now [TS]

  because you know yeah [TS]

  at the time it was very edgy edgy [TS]

  experimental and now you're like oh [TS]

  that's cute or blue that that didn't [TS]

  work out you know it's interesting to [TS]

  see what what has withstood the test of [TS]

  time or what actually like inspired [TS]

  artists as his comics kept moving [TS]

  through the nineties and into the [TS]

  audience and and what was just kind of a [TS]

  non-starter [TS]

  and so instead of art you had mentioned [TS]

  something about the art of top 10 before [TS]

  we started this race I really miss [TS]

  nineteen nineties comment cards not not [TS]

  like the stuff with pouches and no feet [TS]

  but like this isn't very image like [TS]

  that's why I didn't know you had [TS]

  nineteen nineties i didn't ya [TS]

  to me this didn't feel nineties no it's [TS]

  okay i guess some more accurate things I [TS]

  miss this kind of art between this and [TS]

  say promethea which is also similarly [TS]

  full-bodied and very colorful and very [TS]

  detailed and it seemed kind of very [TS]

  eighties in a sense of like your mic sex [TS]

  secret wars or your john byrne fantastic [TS]

  for ya where it's good storytelling good [TS]

  background is good just solid classic [TS]

  comics i remember the time somebody said [TS]

  that that it was Alan Moore trying and [TS]

  this is America's best comics name was a [TS]

  part of this too it's like alan moore [TS]

  was trying to make superheroes and he [TS]

  made superheroes not fun now he's going [TS]

  to make them fun again and it in a way [TS]

  that it's going to be bright and he's [TS]

  going to sort of take it was it was [TS]

  meant i remember somebody saying I think [TS]

  maybe even the marketing at the time was [TS]

  that this was alan moore kind of trying [TS]

  to undoing the damage into the [TS]

  attachment [TS]

  yeah kinda San wait a second you [TS]

  misunderstood i do like the bright [TS]

  colors and the people in the funny [TS]

  costumes and there there's more to tell [TS]

  their and or maybe was a lot more sane [TS]

  or something very beautiful about [TS]

  quoting daily life for people get up and [TS]

  have their third families and they do [TS]

  their jobs and they deal with the [TS]

  circumstances that live around them so [TS]

  and that's in there something noble and [TS]

  beautiful and pretty about that it [TS]

  doesn't have to merely oh look they're [TS]

  special flying people go into the air [TS]

  let us all bow down as if before God but [TS]

  rather a look this is my life isn't it [TS]

  gorgeous the way it is so let's talk [TS]

  about that for a minute because i think [TS]

  it was it was sort of interesting that [TS]

  the characters when they went home and [TS]

  took off their costumes sometimes it was [TS]

  very surprising [TS]

  yeah like the wolf spider [TS]

  mhm who is this giant kind of mechanoid [TS]

  japanese animation looking character [TS]

  that turns out is like a really old dude [TS]

  who has no legs [TS]

  yeah when he took off the costume or the [TS]

  birdwoman what was her name [TS]

  paragraph Peregrine [TS]

  who looks like Susan powder when she [TS]

  takes right and then and then you you [TS]

  make assumptions about that because she [TS]

  looks that way and her you you already [TS]

  know her partner is gay [TS]

  yeah and then like another issue of for [TS]

  later it turns out well no she's [TS]

  actually added a Christian conservative [TS]

  yeah that's right Bob and so he does a [TS]

  lot of this kind of like literally and [TS]

  metaphorically taking off for the layers [TS]

  of the characters and having his little [TS]

  surprises with each one [TS]

  I think it's time to try box is the only [TS]

  one who who stays remarkably consistent [TS]

  in terms of her look um but she's not [TS]

  she's our viewpoint in a way she's our [TS]

  entry points to conjugate not a real [TS]

  character that said she's also the one [TS]

  who again she looks the most nineties [TS]

  because she's got the clunky boots and [TS]

  that the miniskirt and they're exposed [TS]

  midriff and that was that was kind of a [TS]

  thing in the late 90s early audience [TS]

  like rising stars is going around at the [TS]

  same time to ya [TS]

  oh there's lots of out there was lots of [TS]

  that and it was kind of is it was kind [TS]

  of aesthetic i'm not even in the [TS]

  mainstream ones where you see them alone [TS]

  or you can see if I 1000 superhero [TS]

  sitting down to have dinner in the [TS]

  woman's ring crop tops you know [TS]

  well there's a team book that is doing [TS]

  ok if it is some stars same destructive [TS]

  it kind of plot line w a week you know [TS]

  if we have had a rising stars podcast I [TS]

  I think everything don't you ring and [TS]

  sweet [TS]

  it's really it's really good and manage [TS]

  all the last two issues and then just [TS]

  cracks over the previous 2200 going to [TS]

  be so mad I never read it [TS]

  well be I would be glad actually because [TS]

  then you just I don't know there's some [TS]

  good stuff in there but the first issues [TS]

  are fantastic the second issues are like [TS]

  okay we've upped the stakes through [TS]

  their great and then and this is closet [TS]

  I'm sorry this is classic J michael [TS]

  Straczynski where he built this great [TS]

  world and he identifies these great [TS]

  steaks and there's all these conflicts [TS]

  and then at the very end it's all me [TS]

  so he's not he's not a closer no [TS]

  absolutely not they should bring in a [TS]

  closing pitcher for him like a closing [TS]

  writer perhaps no but they did that with [TS]

  the one more day and that was really bad [TS]

  see I've read that oh yeah yeah women [TS]

  isn't one more day the name of the plot [TS]

  line where where where spider-man cells [TS]

  cells soul to the devil in order to save [TS]

  and making ourselves marriage to the [TS]

  devil to save and may and he had no [TS]

  there is like maybe they would like to [TS]

  be reunited with Uncle Ben in the [TS]

  afterlife [TS]

  I mean I would rather keep her life is a [TS]

  grieving widow that's that Texas yeah [TS]

  another thing that we talked about the [TS]

  beginning of top 10 [TS]

  it starts with the that the new cop that [TS]

  is your your your entry into this world [TS]

  and the finalists in so then the second [TS]

  to the final issue they introduce [TS]

  another new cop because they had they [TS]

  had a lot of their plot lines kind of [TS]

  come together in the 10th issue and [TS]

  massive structure and stuff in the one [TS]

  of the cops dies not a spoiler not a [TS]

  spoiler since we have to do so in number [TS]

  11 then they introduce another new cop [TS]

  but interestingly he's very foreign in [TS]

  the compared to the first new comp [TS]

  injuries right who is literally a human [TS]

  character in one of us and now this guy [TS]

  is a 1970s shogun warrior looking [TS]

  character and has been throughout the [TS]

  entire thing there's been a couple of [TS]

  prejudice they've talked about yeah the [TS]

  sexuality has been there the different [TS]

  species different species and robots and [TS]

  this guy happens to be a robot [TS]

  yeah and I thought it was interesting [TS]

  that he Eleanor's essentially doing [TS]

  almost the first story again but am i [TS]

  different point of view but now that [TS]

  you're used to the precinct and all the [TS]

  rules and regulations now it's time to [TS]

  up the weird factor whereas if you had [TS]

  started the first episode with meet your [TS]

  entrĂ©e into this world it's a samurai [TS]

  robot that would have been a little [TS]

  inaccessible whereas now he's he's kind [TS]

  of giving the reader more credit for [TS]

  understanding the the internal workings [TS]

  of the universe and then pointing out [TS]

  that this is actually the universe works [TS]

  and it may be a cliche but at the end of [TS]

  that 11 issue with this row body [TS]

  character who is very foreign he had to [TS]

  be one of the most relatable interesting [TS]

  characters in the whole series [TS]

  were there any characters that any of us [TS]

  had trouble relating to through the [TS]

  series or were they all equally like [TS]

  interests are so many different [TS]

  character yeah I just if there's [TS]

  somebody that I had a problem relating [TS]

  to I would just wait a couple panels and [TS]

  we'd be on to the next one [TS]

  just wait visually I really like shocked [TS]

  head [TS]

  Peter who is this kind of geeky looking [TS]

  guy with us go on a shirt but when he [TS]

  does his electric powers its you see his [TS]

  skull kind of glowing idea visually [TS]

  that's a real [TS]

  the interesting thing but for hit into a [TS]

  lot of character development with him [TS]

  and he was kind of like the little bit [TS]

  backwards [TS]

  yeah Nick kind of character and he [TS]

  remained that the entire time so it's a [TS]

  little disappointed when to see more of [TS]

  him because visually I liked him so much [TS]

  yeah we're hermod we got to meet her [TS]

  whole family and her husband who's an [TS]

  out-of-work Precog yeah right [TS]

  a kind of place with it because it at [TS]

  one point you're like oh he actually has [TS]

  no powers and is not a Precog because [TS]

  like when but the notes that last panel [TS]

  but then there's the black handle yeah [TS]

  you liked this also no no no no no need [TS]

  to call her right where he has this kind [TS]

  of death vision yeah like we have wait i [TS]

  just you just made me believe he didn't [TS]

  have any chance not a prima donna think [TS]

  people are just kind of patronizing him [TS]

  on so if we have to sum up top ten i [TS]

  think it seems pretty clear that the [TS]

  summation is you should go out and get [TS]

  there i think it's two volumes right [TS]

  volume 1 and 2 which takes you for the [TS]

  first 12 issues [TS]

  yeah what they call season one is called [TS]

  10 right so what happens after that I I [TS]

  somebody in the chat room was saying [TS]

  don't don't read decent also seeing that [TS]

  the right I'm gonna follow there and [TS]

  find says it's like reading the sequel [TS]

  keys into happened years later and was [TS]

  not done by now more and more just call [TS]

  / there is Alan Moore did do a the [TS]

  smacks he was involved in smacks which [TS]

  was then that one main character you [TS]

  mean the first issue you go on to see [TS]

  his family in a story just about him and [TS]

  then he did the 49ers which was a [TS]

  prequel to top 10 and takes people like [TS]

  the the captain of the precinct is named [TS]

  jett lad he back when he was a kid and [TS]

  how he started out and you get to meet [TS]

  some of these characters that they [TS]

  touched on in top 10 and it's definitely [TS]

  worth a read and his beautiful artwork [TS]

  just like this is a really pretty [TS]

  incredible [TS]

  so those two are good top 10 season 29 [TS]

  so much and not so much [TS]

  alright alright that's good advice [TS]

  yeah but at top 10 if you have a a [TS]

  limited shelf space for comics and and [TS]

  you only want to have like classic [TS]

  library comics top-10 really deserves [TS]

  beyond it alright that's good i'm glad I [TS]

  i have been reading them and I haven't [TS]

  been let down in fact it was great to go [TS]

  back and reread because it's been a [TS]

  little while and and I knew what I was [TS]

  getting into this time and so having [TS]

  this warning of its dense and there's a [TS]

  lot in there and you need to take your [TS]

  time but it's really rewarding it's been [TS]

  so long between comic book clubs and [TS]

  this is why ya took us took us this long [TS]

  to read this book is so cool wait you [TS]

  want to a quick second what people are [TS]

  we and what are you reading you got it [TS]

  you know what you know what's next you [TS]

  know the format so I what I what am I [TS]

  reading I bought i went to a comic store [TS]

  when I was in Massachusetts and went to [TS]

  our limits in waltham massachusetts and [TS]

  I got what I got I'm going to read [TS]

  oh sorry yo Jimbo which I have never [TS]

  read before which is the rabbit samurai [TS]

  my butt vol one of that on the [TS]

  recommendation of a bunch of a bunch of [TS]

  people mouse card I've got that my son [TS]

  read and loved the fall mouse guard the [TS]

  first one looks beautiful i haven't read [TS]

  it yet but that would step that's [TS]

  looking really good i bought [TS]

  lock-and-key vol.1 because i read lock [TS]

  and key vol.4 of course it was nominated [TS]

  for hugo award for the best graphic [TS]

  presentation and so i read that i got [TS]

  that I got that for free before being a [TS]

  bugle voter and I liked it enough to say [TS]

  I should probably read this from the [TS]

  start and that's Joe Hill who stephen [TS]

  king's kid [TS]

  yeah and I thought that it's it's kind [TS]

  of a darkened horrific and and yet I [TS]

  thought I thought vol.4 from what i [TS]

  could understand of it having not read [TS]

  volumes 1-3 was actually pretty good and [TS]

  I also read the latest on collection of [TS]

  the unwritten because that was also Hugo [TS]

  nominee was that what was that number [TS]

  for number five Number Four [TS]

  yeah because i just finished that one [TS]

  and which is also kind of weird and dark [TS]

  and strange and then what was the other [TS]

  thing that i bought I bought another [TS]

  book I bought a book for my kids that [TS]

  was a one of those I'm not DC Super Pets [TS]

  Tiny Titans that the art baltazar which [TS]

  is a really great fun [TS]

  they are fine because they're there it's [TS]

  not just like comics for kids it's like [TS]

  crazy you know turf like Braun and drawn [TS]

  for kids and and really my want of [TS]

  Animaniacs yeah yeah it's that kind of [TS]

  thing it's almost that's like an [TS]

  animated series [TS]

  animated series [TS]

  taken into a book but so that's what I'm [TS]

  that's sort of what i've been looking [TS]

  and then I've been rereading exiles [TS]

  because I got off on that by reading the [TS]

  the X extreme x-men by Greg park which [TS]

  I'm excited about with the it's the [TS]

  alternate it's kid Nightcrawler from [TS]

  Brooklyn New York but it is Kurt Kurt [TS]

  Wagner from Brooklyn New York and he's [TS]

  hit he's 10 years old and he's blue and [TS]

  he can teleport and then it's a it's a [TS]

  James howlett the governor-general [TS]

  Majesty's governor-general of [TS]

  something-or-other but it's all to [TS]

  Wolverine there's an all-time of emmalin [TS]

  frost there's an old Emma Frost there's [TS]

  a floating bubble containing the severed [TS]

  head of Charles Xavier and the dazzler [TS]

  and that's and that's a super team and [TS]

  they go from alternate realities [TS]

  alternate reality and I I think that's [TS]

  gonna be good [TS]

  this see that's what i'm reading Lisa on [TS]

  what are you reading [TS]

  I finally caught up on scalped which i [TS]

  think is a serious that I may be the [TS]

  only one reading right now is anyone the [TS]

  chat room reading scalp than anywhere [TS]

  else talk to speak to how awesome it is [TS]

  or is it just me [TS]

  anyone know i'm looking yeah there's a [TS]

  delay will see what they said you know [TS]

  it's as you know it's the it's the the [TS]

  north at an indian reservation and it's [TS]

  the lead character has been trying to [TS]

  kick his heroin addiction spoiler not [TS]

  going well and he's also trying to [TS]

  figure their murders mom has his now [TS]

  murdered mom was also involved in and I [TS]

  think they're up to the seventh volume [TS]

  and it's it's a fantastic series [TS]

  especially if you do like if you do like [TS]

  detective so I caught up on that [TS]

  like I said I went back and I was [TS]

  rereading Sandman as i was packing it [TS]

  because he attempted to flip through and [TS]

  next thing you know it's it's two hours [TS]

  later you've just read through the [TS]

  entire series [TS]

  so when I went back and revisited that [TS]

  and after I saw the Avengers I went and [TS]

  I reread the first two volumes of the [TS]

  ultimates i did the same thing yet [TS]

  completely avoided volume Ultimates 310 [TS]

  no no there's no there's nothing past [TS]

  what you don't exactly yeah so we were [TS]

  the first two and you know there was it [TS]

  and I enjoy the pleasant bit of [TS]

  cognitive dissonance between the [TS]

  characters i had just seen on the screen [TS]

  versus some the way that they were done [TS]

  in the ultimates but at the same time I [TS]

  also enjoyed being able to see what [TS]

  parts the writers had picked and shows [TS]

  as they went through and crafted the [TS]

  movies because it's pretty evident that [TS]

  the Ironmen adding rubber don't you just [TS]

  put a stamp on it but it seems like a [TS]

  lot of the basic parts they put in there [TS]

  were four I think it's safe to say they [TS]

  would not have been in avengers movie [TS]

  you had there not been the ultimate ya [TS]

  series a decade earlier which is funny [TS]

  because i had that same feeling about [TS]

  amazing spider-man that that that was [TS]

  really the ultimate spider-man take on [TS]

  spider-man much more than the club [TS]

  whereas the the toby mcwire movies where [TS]

  the classic kind of steve ditko Stanley [TS]

  I i was feeling very very been to see [TS]

  watching their amazing about ya new 52 [TS]

  is are beginning to come out in trade so [TS]

  I'm gonna be stocking up on those soon [TS]

  and I'm stupid excited about the Gail [TS]

  Simone ones which actually because i [TS]

  have a couple of those i thought that i [TS]

  thought the and Batgirl once we're going [TS]

  and because i cannot go podcast that [TS]

  mentioned Elsa known if you do like [TS]

  police procedural comics and superheroes [TS]

  in one tasty package she did write a [TS]

  series for wildstorm call and I think I [TS]

  think it's still ongoing actually called [TS]

  welcome to tranquility where tranquility [TS]

  is a retirement community for [TS]

  superheroes and you of course start with [TS]

  the new worky cop on the job and there [TS]

  are of course murders and there it will [TS]

  never ever be as dense as top 10 but [TS]

  there are a lot of loving limoges to the [TS]

  superhero cultures of the Golden Age the [TS]

  Selfridge so on and so forth and you [TS]

  know when you've got a when you've got a [TS]

  internet villain called emoticon you [TS]

  know it's been dragged home and [TS]

  screaming into the 21st century so [TS]

  that's that's recommendation if you want [TS]

  something that you can read in afternoon [TS]

  and welcome to tranquility if you want [TS]

  something you can be over weekend three [TS]

  top-10 alright Jason what are you [TS]

  reading so talk to him [TS]

  current comics yeah right ruby red top [TS]

  ten last night [TS]

  current comics that i'm reading are the [TS]

  Avengers vs. x-men I'm [TS]

  reading those digitally as well as the [TS]

  new valiance which is kind of a remake [TS]

  of the nineties right I'll which is [TS]

  they're surprisingly good i'm enjoying [TS]

  them and then I've as I sometimes fall [TS]

  into a kind of going on a burn [TS]

  mid-eighties kick and i just reread his [TS]

  alpha flights which I love ya and his [TS]

  she-hulk which i also love and she-hulk [TS]

  I think anyone out there who's [TS]

  interested in a fun comic is she hooks [TS]

  and trade again and basically they broke [TS]

  the fourth wall so she hulk know she's [TS]

  in a comic and talks to john byrne in [TS]

  the comic is often referred to was [TS]

  burned and the other characters know [TS]

  he's in a comic so he he lovingly plays [TS]

  with the comic conceits and she talks to [TS]

  him in the comments hysterical and a lot [TS]

  of fun and its really great burn heart [TS]

  so I've been doing that the one I'm most [TS]

  excited about right now that's coming [TS]

  out against in a few months is that was [TS]

  just announced yesterday was that is the [TS]

  mat fraction and Michael already ffs [TS]

  which is evidently the inn in Marvel now [TS]

  the Fantastic Four are going to go [TS]

  offworld and ffr their replacements that [TS]

  each of them get to choose who's going [TS]

  to replace them to watch the earth while [TS]

  they're gone so the team is she hulk [TS]

  ant-man crafting when she woke my room [TS]

  she-hulk a man somebody and a new [TS]

  character called miss thing is hipster [TS]

  girl in a robotic things suit and [TS]

  because Johnny Storm happened to be [TS]

  making out with her the night before or [TS]

  something that he needed to make his [TS]

  choice Jonny store [TS]

  yeah it and so it kind of looks really [TS]

  sort of hysterical and a lot of fun it's [TS]

  michael do that so I'm hoping hoping it [TS]

  captures a little bit of that extatic [TS]

  feeling that I used to like and x-force [TS]

  feeling because the artwork is there and [TS]

  who doesn't love a character named Miss [TS]

  thing around expected to be a drag queen [TS]

  the eff eff idea i'm kind of fascinated [TS]

  me the you know it's like fantastic for [TS]

  family [TS]

  it's the you know alternate because that [TS]

  they killed Johnny Storm killed and then [TS]

  they did FF for a while and then they [TS]

  brought back fantastic four but the idea [TS]

  of having this kind of like Reed [TS]

  Richards you know group of of hangers-on [TS]

  and you know alternate you know spin-off [TS]

  character secondary characters it's kind [TS]

  of an interesting idea [TS]

  evidently they had four leave for a year [TS]

  of their time but it's only four minutes [TS]

  pass on earth and so the team is sitting [TS]

  around and nothing protecting the earth [TS]

  for those four minutes 4 minutes and [TS]

  nothing happens and then Johnny I a [TS]

  one-eyed one leg bearded johnny storm [TS]

  comes through a door and saying and then [TS]

  close it and says we can never open that [TS]

  door again [TS]

  yeah I'm really have high expectations [TS]

  for this is awesome [TS]

  yeah and now and now I must read it the [TS]

  so this has been great we're gonna have [TS]

  to do this again maybe we can and do it [TS]

  soon and yes and maybe get a even get [TS]

  some other people involved in the in the [TS]

  comic book club by AT&T was added on [TS]

  uncomfortable a little bit and I think [TS]

  he would love he was the one who told me [TS]

  to the Outer Limits and welcomed and [TS]

  Benjamin is very much into it and [TS]

  there's Jim that's the door who has i [TS]

  should say his own comic podcast on [TS]

  five-by-five you can go 25 TV / comic [TS]

  shack and listen to james comic shack if [TS]

  you would like out and do some cross [TS]

  promotion there too so we're always [TS]

  looking for ideas to talk about [TS]

  yeah you can go 25 TV / contact put in [TS]

  the incomparable and tell us what you [TS]

  think we should read and that would be [TS]

  great and you can also tweet it to at [TS]

  the uncomfortable on on the Twitter and [TS]

  we'll look there too so there's lots of [TS]

  ways to reach us if you want to give us [TS]

  some suggestions about what we should [TS]

  read next because that's always a good [TS]

  and we always get feedback on them [TS]

  comfortable yeah absolutely [TS]

  well thanks a lot for being here Lisa [TS]

  thanks for coming down it was great and [TS]

  Jason thanks for coming over and you [TS]

  know it's good to see you don't see you [TS]

  as much as I used to and it's nice [TS]

  in the building like to be here alright [TS]

  thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

  listening to be uncomfortable until next [TS]

  time this is jason's now goodbye [TS]

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