The Incomparable

94: If You Think It`s Funny, That`s Fine, You`re Wrong


  capacity ninja theme on [TS]

  the incomparable podcast number 94 jun [TS]

  welcome back to the comfortable podcast [TS]

  on your host Jason Snell and in this [TS]

  edition we are going to talk about [TS]

  it's a little bit of a departure I guess [TS]

  from us we like all things kiki here but [TS]

  there's a genre that is not [TS]

  traditionally thought of as a place for [TS]

  Kiki stuff that's the sitcom television [TS]

  situation comedy and yet there are many [TS]

  sitcoms that are either let's run [TS]

  through it there either a they are sort [TS]

  of genre like science fictional they are [TS]

  featured geeky type people or they [TS]

  feature story lines and concepts that [TS]

  appeal to Kiki type people and we are [TS]

  going to talk about that tonight [TS]

  this is a topic suggested by our very [TS]

  own Lex Friedman i'd like to introduce [TS]

  Lex Friedman to you now but wouldn't you [TS]

  but he couldn't make it so thanks likes [TS]

  for the idea and then joining me to talk [TS]

  about this instead of lex joining me i [TS]

  have fine guess I have been more and I [TS]

  dan I just and I'd like it to be known [TS]

  that I'm better than Lex in every way we [TS]

  we already knew that but thank you for [TS]

  saying it [TS]

  that's so we're clear your honor it also [TS]

  serenity Caldwell Iran high and Scott [TS]

  McNulty is here as well hi Scott [TS]

  hello I also and disappointed that I'm [TS]

  not Lex Frieden also joining us is andy [TS]

  anarcho Andy hi hello thank you for [TS]

  joining us so systems I i think what i [TS]

  said in my note to everybody about this [TS]

  episode was to come prepared to talk [TS]

  about something that you are you [TS]

  consider to be a geeky saw the comment i [TS]

  assume in praise of it although you know [TS]

  there are also many honestly there are [TS]

  many more that we could condemn then [TS]

  praised i was looking wikipedia actually [TS]

  has a page called the list of science [TS]

  fiction sitcoms just looking at it is [TS]

  not a good list maybe we should start [TS]

  Alf alphabetically Alf the OM about a [TS]

  puppet alien is it comes in first first [TS]

  in your hearts and first enlist on [TS]

  wikipedia alphabetically [TS]

  he's from the planet melmac he enjoyed [TS]

  about cats first first on the list on [TS]

  wikipedia is a great name for out and [TS]

  tumblr blog episode [TS]

  i'm watching Alf and I was a kid and [TS]

  enjoying it [TS]

  homeboys in outer space oh my god wow [TS]

  that ring back [TS]

  UPN sitcom all man i want to come over [TS]

  so that it was terrible terrible as a [TS]

  bad show [TS]

  I don't consider this be animated I [TS]

  don't think the animated one should [TS]

  count futurama the jetsons yeah invaders [TS]

  zoom is it also reduces artisan kinds [TS]

  really sitcoms however me go which is [TS]

  that is [TS]

  isn't that the the bronson pinchot was [TS]

  an alien [TS]

  well yes yeah that's that's actually [TS]

  what you said junior broadsides show [TS]

  that's actually just like I like Bronson [TS]

  Pinchot is actually an alien a Mork and [TS]

  Mindy my favorite Martian [TS]

  wow yeah that's a classic that students [TS]

  that's valid that's that's not bad that [TS]

  none of those ones that i was going to [TS]

  bring up though I mind my favorite [TS]

  Martian podcast maybe a little too old [TS]

  of a of a demographic there [TS]

  so who would like to bring up a and [TS]

  presumably praise a geeky sitcom who me [TS]

  meanie [TS]

  ok dad he's gonna do mine for I am [TS]

  because it's my favorite to come of [TS]

  olive oil so i get this Hannah this is [TS]

  like the reason that you're on the [TS]

  podcast so pronounced it is no it's at [TS]

  least a phrase [TS]

  small wonder it's it's it's Matt Matt [TS]

  she's hope you like a mash because I'm [TS]

  any like classic what I loved about [TS]

  small wonder was how they made the girl [TS]

  speak Vicki the robot soon realistically [TS]

  in that Jay spoke like this but she was [TS]

  fantastic manager would you make it [TS]

  you'd make an immaculate robot that [TS]

  looked exactly like a human being [TS]

  acting stiffly and many acres and then [TS]

  you'd make her voice sound like this [TS]

  doing technology it's it's the [TS]

  definition is the definition of the [TS]

  uncanny valley [TS]

  I don't want to take that away from you [TS]

  Dan though so go ahead and talk thanks [TS]

  chase and I I appreciate what I'm gonna [TS]

  talk about small wonder now or what they [TS]

  want swinging on a star you see that one [TS]

  out of this world how this world that's [TS]

  why this week and start with the theme [TS]

  song [TS]

  no I'm not a great i believed and more'n [TS]

  I know what he's gonna pick and [TS]

  I know that he loves it and so we're [TS]

  going to go to him with the with the [TS]

  choice of the I know he wants to talk [TS]

  about space right [TS]

  yes the the seminal simon pegg nick [TS]

  frost vehicle which began their lot [TS]

  they're long collaboration with director [TS]

  Edgar Wright as well as a jessica hynes [TS]

  nay Stephenson fantastic british sitcom [TS]

  that began airing and I believe either [TS]

  99 or 2,000 because I first watch this [TS]

  when I lived in the united kingdom which [TS]

  was briefly in college and friend of [TS]

  mine who had been there longer than i [TS]

  had said oh you got to watch the show [TS]

  and it was the second series of it or [TS]

  season you prefer the American [TS]

  nomenclature i said i'll check it out [TS]

  and and i watch the show and I felt [TS]

  deeply madly truly in love with it and [TS]

  went and bought the the region two dvds [TS]

  of the first season so I could catch up [TS]

  on all the stuff that I'd missed and it [TS]

  is i think it would be hard to find the [TS]

  sitcom that is that is quite quite as [TS]

  geeky as space is in terms of just the [TS]

  number of references sort of per minute [TS]

  in fact in the DVD releases i have they [TS]

  they have a what they call an homage [TS]

  ometer where they put in the subtitles [TS]

  of the bottom of the screen [TS]

  what they are referencing at any given [TS]

  moment and that might be like three or [TS]

  four different things at various times [TS]

  and I tried to catch them all in there [TS]

  but there are some of them are are so [TS]

  obscure or so particularly British in [TS]

  some ways that i just had never heard of [TS]

  them but obviously you get a lot of the [TS]

  big references you get star wars is a [TS]

  huge huge part of it in fact is a is a [TS]

  major plot point in the second season [TS]

  how much Tim played by Simon pay hates [TS]

  the Phantom Menace is it Star Trek [TS]

  references because it's the early two [TS]

  thousands you there's the obligatory [TS]

  matrix episode just chock-full of geeky [TS]

  references and what makes it so so great [TS]

  is that they weren't necessarily defined [TS]

  by being geeks they weren't geeks in the [TS]

  way that you might see [TS]

  beyond you know some of these sitcoms [TS]

  now the purport to focus on geeks but it [TS]

  was clear that the film that the needy [TS]

  people writing and directing the show [TS]

  who you know obviously included to the [TS]

  people who started the show were huge [TS]

  geeks themselves because the kind of [TS]

  references they put in there weren't [TS]

  sort of like no nudge-nudge wink-wink to [TS]

  like you know the sort of the mainstream [TS]

  audience about how silly these people [TS]

  are they were deeply personal moments [TS]

  that reflected not only the characters [TS]

  were but who the the actual people [TS]

  portraying them at writing this works I [TS]

  i love this sitcom with so much passion [TS]

  and it has led me to follow the career [TS]

  of a simon pegg and nick frost and edgar [TS]

  wright we've gone on to do a number of [TS]

  excellent things including shaun of the [TS]

  dead hot fuzz us Edgar Wright directed [TS]

  scott pilgrim and they are making yet [TS]

  another third and what they call their [TS]

  blood and ice cream trilogy called the [TS]

  world end which they're starting [TS]

  production on this fall and of course [TS]

  Simon Pegg has gone on to to revitalize [TS]

  the role of Scotty in the latest Star [TS]

  Trek movies directed by JJ Abrams so [TS]

  certainly a deep bench of geek cred [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah I I cannot express how much i love [TS]

  these shows i own i still own on my [TS]

  shelves region two dvds of both the [TS]

  first and second seasons and have [TS]

  maintained a region to region free DVD [TS]

  player for many many years just for the [TS]

  purpose of watching those I in fact [TS]

  though I do own a region one copy it has [TS]

  been on extended loan to one of my [TS]

  cousins so i need to reclaim it one of [TS]

  these days [TS]

  ready 1 2 cosine about about spaced I [TS]

  know you're sad that I'm not really sad [TS]

  because dan has much more geek cred on [TS]

  space than I do [TS]

  since I've really i've only watched [TS]

  space through about twice and having [TS]

  arisen that it is still number two on my [TS]

  list of all time TV shows last for me [TS]

  mhm what's number one but a sports night [TS]

  of course but yeah I mean I when I first [TS]

  started watching space it was actually [TS]

  on tail end of another sitcom it can't [TS]

  really be called geeky but still is very [TS]

  intelligent which is arrested [TS]

  development and [TS]

  after having watched the season of [TS]

  Arrested Development my friends are like [TS]

  oh if you like Arrested Development you [TS]

  are going to adore spaced and I'm like [TS]

  okay and I start watching it and of [TS]

  course it's it is it is fun and is witty [TS]

  and has things that call back but the [TS]

  the extra sort of geet I and what really [TS]

  sold it for me and the fact that it's [TS]

  like oh they're portraying you know [TS]

  they're portraying geeks as human [TS]

  figures who happen to also like you have [TS]

  you have the point the the episode that [TS]

  always sticks out in my head is the [TS]

  mortal kombat episode then can you like [TS]

  elaborate on this and this episode [TS]

  because I can only remember visuals but [TS]

  it's something was not fighters only [TS]

  students and like a KO situation [TS]

  well no it's just it's it's the kind of [TS]

  show for all the other having they have [TS]

  an argument [TS]

  oh yeah it's it's not necessarily mortal [TS]

  kombat I think it's a I think it's a [TS]

  different fighting game but they're [TS]

  havin they're havin like an argument and [TS]

  as each of them scores a point or so in [TS]

  their argument it's sort of reflected in [TS]

  a video game until the one of them makes [TS]

  the you know the sort of defeating [TS]

  argument and then you get the KO Gail [TS]

  Gail I always think of the scene where [TS]

  he's playing he's playing tomb raider [TS]

  after his that between tomb raider after [TS]

  his girlfriend has broken up with him [TS]

  and he's not actually playing tomb [TS]

  raider he's just having laura croft jump [TS]

  into water and just drowning her because [TS]

  he's so angry [TS]

  yes there's a little ton of video game [TS]

  references a ton of comic book [TS]

  references in fact that i believe as I [TS]

  recall his last name so the character's [TS]

  name the character of Tim is a is a [TS]

  cartoon areas a comic book you know LS [TS]

  illustrator and his last name tim is Tim [TS]

  bisley and I believe Simon Bisley is a [TS]

  fairly well-known illustrator who I [TS]

  think did some sketches including for [TS]

  like the space cover and stuff like that [TS]

  so and then I'll there's a later episode [TS]

  in the second season where Tim finally [TS]

  gets a chance to sort of draw for one of [TS]

  like that the comic-book labels that he [TS]

  loves so there's there's some comic [TS]

  stuff there's a lot of geeky movie and [TS]

  television stuff and the highlight for [TS]

  me is that there's actually a lot of [TS]

  stuff about high brow art and theatre [TS]

  which is kind of sprinkled in because [TS]

  one of the characters on [TS]

  spaced if you haven't watched it is they [TS]

  all live together in this apartment [TS]

  building and one of the tenants in this [TS]

  apartment building is a shut-in artist [TS]

  named Brian who is a who is a special [TS]

  creature likes to paint in a couple [TS]

  different flavors i watched a few [TS]

  episodes and I must bit it was humorous [TS]

  but i did not make me want to watch the [TS]

  whole thing so i stopped that's at sad [TS]

  Scott and makes me it makes me hurt my [TS]

  heart region [TS]

  I'm sorry the first six to eight [TS]

  episodes are a little cerebral to get [TS]

  through especially if you have never [TS]

  watched british comedy before I know [TS]

  when I was first watching it I'm like [TS]

  this is fun but I mean the first 16 [TS]

  episodes of the first season [TS]

  yes I know who that's what it's only [TS]

  like 14 episodes already short-handed [TS]

  british sitcoms in general and I I [TS]

  recognize that it was good it was just I [TS]

  just it was not for me where they're too [TS]

  many Star Wars references for you that [TS]

  may have turning slightly so yeah we [TS]

  have we have many too many things to [TS]

  talk about my I think they're a couple [TS]

  shows that we're going to inevitably get [TS]

  to but I I thought we would ask friend [TS]

  do you have a favorite you want to throw [TS]

  out their discussion let's see i have a [TS]

  couple of the one i will mention though [TS]

  is the one that I feel like I think I've [TS]

  mentioned on the show before was a show [TS]

  that ran I want to see on ABC a couple [TS]

  years back and unfortunately got [TS]

  Smackdown right in the middle of the [TS]

  writers strike so didn't really get a [TS]

  chance to take off and that was better [TS]

  off ted which is pseudo pseudo geeky [TS]

  pseudo pseudoscience half-hour sitcom [TS]

  that just had some really really funny [TS]

  moments and I think that is actually [TS]

  available in its entirety on netflix and [TS]

  I urge anybody who like who really enjoy [TS]

  is sort of it's a it is a cut above most [TS]

  sitcoms I won't say it's necessarily [TS]

  best like all-time epitome of what a [TS]

  geeky sick comments to me but it had [TS]

  really great characters who again it's [TS]

  it's bridging the the people who look [TS]

  outwardly like geeks to r22 what we [TS]

  stereotype is a geek [TS]

  with you know the people who are [TS]

  actually like the people who are North [TS]

  technically normal in the show like Ted [TS]

  and his will will they won't they [TS]

  girlfriend but not actually girlfriend [TS]

  the other people pitched as normal here [TS]

  and in reality i'd say they kind of end [TS]

  up being the geekiest because they end [TS]

  up happening like secret hobbies and [TS]

  plans and things like that but and that [TS]

  and that show we've got the characters [TS]

  who are in the lab coats are the [TS]

  scientists and they're funny and there [TS]

  they are very funny in the stereotypical [TS]

  very nice dynamic but you also have the [TS]

  overarching premise which is that this [TS]

  company that they work for radio [TS]

  dynamics is essentially a supervillain [TS]

  corporation and they are constantly [TS]

  inventing horrible things that Ted is [TS]

  supposed to find ways to market in some [TS]

  way and Portia de Rossi is his terrible [TS]

  boss who is essentially a super villain [TS]

  in that she's got her job is to promote [TS]

  this terrible company and they're [TS]

  horrible murderous products and and yeah [TS]

  it's that's a great show better off ted [TS]

  it's it's lonely i love the little of [TS]

  Veridian dynamics commercials as a [TS]

  personal yeah but if you're watching it [TS]

  for the first time you have no idea that [TS]

  it's fake commercial until it's obvious [TS]

  we're talking about you know liquefied [TS]

  cows or something [TS]

  yeah I don't think this is a real [TS]

  commercial there's always a fake for the [TS]

  dynamics commercial Lena and every [TS]

  episode of better off ted that is it as [TS]

  an excellent show and again another one [TS]

  that was cancelled far too soon but I [TS]

  yeah i really i really want bitch i love [TS]

  that they're always coming up with tears [TS]

  in their whole episode where they have [TS]

  like an after-work club that's basically [TS]

  like like hitting each other with swords [TS]

  or something like that and then they [TS]

  invite a bit because they they like him [TS]

  and they want to like approval but it [TS]

  gets like to competitive and like to [TS]

  joke like almost and all the games going [TS]

  now we will now we don't have any fun [TS]

  with it [TS]

  yeah it's it's a it's a really fun [TS]

  little show it only ran four what if it [TS]

  was uses two seasons yeah but we're both [TS]

  thirties was another like 13 episodes [TS]

  yeah yeah i think that burned off the [TS]

  rest the the end of it but it was a very [TS]

  good show that was a that's a [TS]

  I think the same guy who did andy [TS]

  richter controls the universe yes yes [TS]

  their brother very good show yeah [TS]

  everything in a similar vibe to it very [TS]

  much [TS]

  yes yep paget Brewster and portia de [TS]

  rossi not that far apart in those [TS]

  character isn't you know [TS]

  no I'm pitching it to people i often say [TS]

  it's kind of like a geeky arrested [TS]

  development with ridiculous commercials [TS]

  smack in the middle and seems to [TS]

  describe it more or less yeah of course [TS]

  Victor fresco was also known for his [TS]

  work on net about you and evening shade [TS]

  starring burt reynolds now that science [TS]

  got to get that booty had to get that [TS]

  Burt Reynolds references [TS]

  I never gonna leave that Helen Hunt [TS]

  would marry Paul Reiser so I consider [TS]

  that also science fiction [TS]

  haha they were mad I they were out he [TS]

  generally literally insane you have [TS]

  actually it turned out in the final [TS]

  episode [TS]

  yes I Scott is there a sitcom you would [TS]

  like to speak of positively or [TS]

  negatively [TS]

  well I think we should accentuate the [TS]

  positive [TS]

  ok so I'm going to talk about that [TS]

  something is not actually a sitcom but [TS]

  you know screamin rules down that's [TS]

  that's not goes job over it go ahead [TS]

  Scott going as i'm sorry the gods i [TS]

  define sanity for the rest of the [TS]

  universe but continued all right there [TS]

  I what mystery science theater is that [TS]

  this is not a sitcom I suppose but it is [TS]

  it is one of my favorite shows and how [TS]

  could I say no to mst3k you cannot [TS]

  resist a crow T robot and Tom server so [TS]

  since it is clear no one on this podcast [TS]

  is heard of mystery science theater [TS]

  no let me have it really not already a [TS]

  try to kill me with oracle it [TS]

  olay I'm sorry just broken through like [TS]

  a whole ball of like means i have not [TS]

  reused like 10 years observed gotta hold [TS]

  I got abused my microphone i was it's [TS]

  stayin out from Cal Manos the hands of [TS]

  torgo's technically that translate that [TS]

  hands hands of faith [TS]

  so mr. sighs there clearly is a beloved [TS]

  show that we must talk about and for PBS [TS]

  not know what it is a a all five of them [TS]

  it is a younger crowd might not mean now [TS]

  it's only on the [TS]

  be back in the day every Saturday it was [TS]

  on first Comedy Central and then on the [TS]

  SyFy channel that's right and a movie as [TS]

  well yes and there was there was one [TS]

  movie and it there are all on DVD and [TS]

  many of them are on netflix now [TS]

  yes so you should you should really [TS]

  watch somebody way so the basic premise [TS]

  a guy is shot into space on the set of a [TS]

  ship called the satellite of love you [TS]

  cut its kinda like you're asking us all [TS]

  to like sing the theme song is this [TS]

  instead of that is classic theme songs [TS]

  that sets up the entire premise for the [TS]

  show [TS]

  it's true industry [TS]

  and the not too distant future next [TS]

  Sunday ad there was a hole and I thought [TS]

  into different from you would be working [TS]

  for your studies on it is dude just [TS]

  another kid okay that suit he did a good [TS]

  job picking up the pace but it was [TS]

  positive and i will send the GZ movie [TS]

  whatever you two really can't right now [TS]

  and have to sit and why them all and [TS]

  will bother to is mine now you la no [TS]

  skid in Milan Joel character role and [TS]

  the movies begin or and because he used [TS]

  those special heart robotic Fred a robot [TS]

  roll call camp i bought from tipsy Tom [TS]

  servo grow if you're wondering how he [TS]

  eats and breathes and other science [TS]

  facts just repeating yourself 5000 know [TS]

  I should really just 3 lakhs for Mystery [TS]

  Science Theater 3000 [TS]

  that is this that is the furthest off [TS]

  track this podcast has ever gotten in 93 [TS]

  episodes and and off he well that's all [TS]

  the time we have tonight and wash my god [TS]

  you're not getting this one this is all [TS]

  just a premise for them to watch [TS]

  terrible movies and make fun of them [TS]

  though that is that is correct so that [TS]

  they watch a very cheap movies that they [TS]

  could gain the rights for cheaply and [TS]

  mock them mercilessly and then cut them [TS]

  up with a skits in the beginning they [TS]

  would do things called invention [TS]

  exchanges where Joel would have to show [TS]

  his evil overlords invention and they [TS]

  would in turn show him an invention [TS]

  which you really make any sense but they [TS]

  did it they did away with that part it's [TS]

  just it's a lot of fun i watched it in [TS]

  college [TS]

  it started off on a public access TV [TS]

  show people would circulate videotapes [TS]

  so that other people could see hit this [TS]

  is before they encouraged it in the [TS]

  credits a dip circulating the tapes [TS]

  that's right and there's even there's a [TS]

  great uh if you could find it an [TS]

  authorized kind of mst3k a spoof of [TS]

  assembly spoof it's an homage that does [TS]

  star trek five if you can find that you [TS]

  probably can't on the internets it is [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  they have everything on the internet [TS]

  radio but yeah and and Tom servo is [TS]

  really a role model of mine and how I [TS]

  want to live my life as a with a number [TS]

  and Shakeology yeah [TS]

  yes I had in college I was not very [TS]

  popular and I had a giant Tom servo [TS]

  poster on my door I don't think those [TS]

  two things are related but the thing [TS]

  that always got me about that show was [TS]

  that a certain point after watching it [TS]

  you started to wonder looking at the [TS]

  silhouettes whether they were looking at [TS]

  the movie or looking at you because you [TS]

  can tell they're two-dimensional just [TS]

  like looking into the ability yeah I [TS]

  remember that came to me at some point [TS]

  when I was like look at it like oh my [TS]

  god wait are they watching me [TS]

  ah that is a really disturbing outlook [TS]

  on life and mst3k that I never thought [TS]

  about dan thanks [TS]

  that now you won't be able to unsee it [TS]

  like the arrow no logo [TS]

  well it's kind of a reflection back on [TS]

  the television show because if they're [TS]

  you know if they're commenting on the [TS]

  terrible movie but they're also looking [TS]

  at you and you're watching them [TS]

  commenting on the to my mind was just [TS]

  blown i love the I mean the premise of [TS]

  it by having the silhouette to do to do [TS]

  riffing on movies was not not really new [TS]

  but to do it and come up with this [TS]

  premise so that they could do initially [TS]

  the this the comedy sketches that would [TS]

  be the episodes were ways for joel [TS]

  hodgson to do his can prop comedy bit [TS]

  and but those so those are strange and [TS]

  funny on their own and then when they're [TS]

  in the movie with the silhouettes you [TS]

  always do when you're flipping around [TS]

  that it was mst3k cuz you can see the [TS]

  silhouettes and what I really like is [TS]

  that they would try to do little bits [TS]

  where they interacted and I always loved [TS]

  it when Joel or later Mike would get up [TS]

  and reach up and stand like tried to [TS]

  scratch the cheek of somebody in a [TS]

  close-up [TS]

  I always thought that was hilarious too [TS]

  so it was just such an inventive premise [TS]

  and and you know it was to our in a two [TS]

  hour long show too so there was a whole [TS]

  lot in it and the thing that you always [TS]

  had to sort of remind people of when [TS]

  you're trying to get them hooked on this [TS]

  show is that no no it's not like being [TS]

  at the movie theater in those that were [TS]

  really stupid 11 year old kids keeps [TS]

  like things like you did your top of [TS]

  lady you've got big knockers [TS]

  it's it's actually a writing team that's [TS]

  like far more than three people who [TS]

  watches this movie time and time and [TS]

  time again and develops a script in [TS]

  which every singles available second is [TS]

  filled with some sort of joke and their [TS]

  hit to miss ratio ratio is incredibly [TS]

  high and the references that they have [TS]

  are incredibly good and they'll be [TS]

  really was teenagers from outer space [TS]

  there's like this big huge like round [TS]

  saucer spaceship landing on a landing on [TS]

  a thing and I think Joel says hey look [TS]

  it's it's it's Audrey Hepburn's had some [TS]

  definite breakfast at tiffany's coming [TS]

  in for a landing [TS]

  like that's a very hip reference if you [TS]

  don't like a joke there's another one [TS]

  coming right behind it [TS]

  of course several of us in several of us [TS]

  in in the comparable participated in a [TS]

  brief spoof right we did that the [TS]

  Phantom and the Phantom Empire [TS]

  and unless I can't believe we're talking [TS]

  about mst3k without Steve let's hear [TS]

  since he has been like he's like a big [TS]

  rifftrax guy and his met mike nelson and [TS]

  but I mean the thing about that is andy [TS]

  says like you know we we did about a [TS]

  20-minute episode and that was hardly [TS]

  was writing that is really different [TS]

  model harder than you think it is it see [TS]

  all your jokes and threw away most of [TS]

  the jokes and then and do them three or [TS]

  four times they stop being as funny [TS]

  sometimes because you've seen how three [TS]

  or four times and you telegraphed all [TS]

  the jokes are used but you still have to [TS]

  deliver them like they're funny and [TS]

  react to your friends lives occasionally [TS]

  like they're it's super no nothing gave [TS]

  me more of an appreciation for ms 333 k [TS]

  been doing that rifftrax little short [TS]

  and realizing just how like kind of [TS]

  brutally hard it was to do it and how [TS]

  much just you make the jokes you think [TS]

  that's kind of funny i make it look like [TS]

  i said something funny while we were [TS]

  watching TV and then you try to actually [TS]

  do it and no no those just got ninety [TS]

  percent of them you just run away right [TS]

  away just that now [TS]

  not good and on top of that are you guys [TS]

  like being it's like I don't think a [TS]

  week or two goes by without my suddenly [TS]

  thinking about it mystery science [TS]

  theater joke at least one so even a joke [TS]

  that I've just they haven't heard like [TS]

  okay I got my friends and I have like [TS]

  you know recurring ones that we always [TS]

  talk about my never forget there's a [TS]

  some short i don't know what the exact [TS]

  shortage but it's got like a guy rocking [TS]

  out on a chair on the porch like an old [TS]

  guy you start swatting at the air in [TS]

  front of home and that they don't get [TS]

  visible [TS]

  oh yeah they're back at that one that [TS]

  one comes up all the time I loves it [TS]

  shorts so does everybody is it before we [TS]

  knew it we can't stand mst3k forever [TS]

  although maybe we should come back into [TS]

  a two-hour episode where we up a [TS]

  favorite if we do maybe maybe maybe the [TS]

  mist maybe they'll be like friends with [TS]

  us and the like come on the show we can [TS]

  get my Nelson on the show you given he's [TS]

  got its new uh anybody have if you've [TS]

  got favorite episodes of a favorite [TS]

  favorite mst3k now would be the time to [TS]

  mention it [TS]

  I'll go first my favorite episode of [TS]

  mst3k it's time of the Apes which is [TS]

  fantastic because it is like Planet of [TS]

  the Apes except it's it's a japanese [TS]

  movie and the logic is that they people [TS]

  are frozen in suspended animation and [TS]

  they go into the future and then of [TS]

  course Apes rule the earth and there's a [TS]

  little kid little kid who every time you [TS]

  say terrible things will happen if he [TS]

  doesn't listen to you he says i don't [TS]

  care which is nice running gag but the [TS]

  but my favorite part is the plot [TS]

  resolution at the end when they've done [TS]

  movie length of apes they think how will [TS]

  I end this now you know we can't do the [TS]

  statue of liberty or anything like that [TS]

  was done by the movie we're not going up [TS]

  so what they do is they go back to the [TS]

  cryo chamber and they freeze the people [TS]

  back in the crowd cheering but i thought [TS]

  well this is an interesting choice but [TS]

  they're going to go further into the [TS]

  future and yet somehow the cryo chamber [TS]

  takes them back in time to the present [TS]

  day I don't know how that how could it [TS]

  be any way of time of the apes that is [TS]

  my favorite all-time and misty 3k it's a [TS]

  it's a close tie for me between Mitchell [TS]

  and perhaps one of general last episodes [TS]

  and of course my my my my my my my God [TS]

  we're gonna rip off the end of Key Largo [TS]

  Mitchell up to 35 miles per hour [TS]

  um it's a milestone episodes and jewels [TS]

  last as Giants absolutely escape [TS]

  satellite of love in a box of em dinners [TS]

  and a close tie between that and one of [TS]

  my favorite Christmas movies ever [TS]

  santa claus conquers the martians oh [TS]

  yeah yes that's an excellent young p [TS]

  Isadora an excellent episode I'm going [TS]

  to go by myself a Golden Globe my [TS]

  favorite uh that just popped into my [TS]

  mind is overdrawn at the memory banks [TS]

  with raul julia features the line mom my [TS]

  nuts they say that to me know very [TS]

  recent and it becomes a ship [TS]

  Wow Andy ever i have i have to go with [TS]

  maroon because it's it's it's it's [TS]

  really you normally the the movies that [TS]

  they got to riff for geez he's like [TS]

  american international really really [TS]

  horribly low-budget pictures this is the [TS]

  first 1i think where they got an [TS]

  actual like major studio release that [TS]

  got lots and lots of big-budget i think [TS]

  actually was nominated for actually won [TS]

  an academy award for best the best [TS]

  visual effects and it started gene [TS]

  hackman like at the right road shortly [TS]

  after after his breakthrough so that was [TS]

  the premise of the movie was like an [TS]

  Apollo like 19 mission prep star like a [TS]

  Skylab type mission like things start to [TS]

  break down so they try to like bring the [TS]

  astronauts back down with their [TS]

  malfunctions and the entire movie is all [TS]

  about how we rescue these three [TS]

  astronauts so it's actually and actually [TS]

  saw the original movie which was not a [TS]

  terrible movie but when they get this [TS]

  going to get something that's actually [TS]

  enter twitter when you take us to me [TS]

  start with a movie that's actually [TS]

  entertaining to begin with and then you [TS]

  add like eight comedians spending two [TS]

  days trying to make it even funnier [TS]

  that's pretty good and also and also [TS]

  that makes they talk about callbacks [TS]

  that just fill the rest of your life [TS]

  there's so many lines from history [TS]

  science 3000 that could good i could [TS]

  fill a great one hour seminar valuable [TS]

  seminar in filmmaking and one of them is [TS]

  just when Thompson it's a running gag [TS]

  retirement with we're at times keep [TS]

  saying gene hackman is always good that [TS]

  will deliver like that its beginning the [TS]

  movie it's like like okay artoo [TS]

  pressures at one-point-five percent [TS]

  Oh gene hackman is always get it's true [TS]

  gene Hackman is always good that's that [TS]

  that would be my favorite Mitchell would [TS]

  probably if I thought eventual first I [TS]

  probably would have been cursing for [TS]

  taking Mitchell first I didn't think [TS]

  Mitchell first ran ru ru deep in the [TS]

  knowledge of the mst3k or not very deep [TS]

  in the knowledge of mst3k i am when i [TS]

  will at college they had like a weekly [TS]

  mst3k night which I would swing in and [TS]

  out of I'm trying to remember some of [TS]

  the film's I mean manos was the first [TS]

  mst3k episode I ever watched and that I [TS]

  mean to protect that's like yeah that's [TS]

  a classic mostly because that film is [TS]

  unwatchable without the right I had a I [TS]

  had an orgo screensaver 1.0 i have a [TS]

  screensaver you [TS]

  yeah that's the guy that's dating us [TS]

  there and you said you didn't have [TS]

  friends [TS]

  I had to work on what I actually ya know [TS]

  there's actually a movie that I i had [TS]

  seen um I i had seen before it was mst3k [TS]

  did called the unearthly with John [TS]

  Carradine and Tory Johnson and that's [TS]

  and to this day actually my wife and i [TS]

  quote a line from that movie that that [TS]

  is what the little tag that they did at [TS]

  the end of the credits in fact when they [TS]

  didn't mess 383 t3k which is it learned [TS]

  too late [TS]

  that man is using creature top time for [TS]

  go to bed [TS]

  Oh for Johnson the idea and the in the [TS]

  feature film itself [TS]

  mst3k feature film was actually pretty [TS]

  good as well this island earth person is [TS]

  under greediness as everyone with yeah I [TS]

  feel like we've just created like a mini [TS]

  episode of inside inside this other [TS]

  episodes or bonus episode we see the dmu [TS]

  mcnoltey i'm sorry i felt it had to be [TS]

  said it didn't have to be so because [TS]

  otherwise we'd be talking about the big [TS]

  banks sorry it's not it's not it's not a [TS]

  sitcom [TS]

  so you lose definite no points for [TS]

  McNulty no no no negative points [TS]

  Andy did you come bearing a show that [TS]

  you would like to talk about [TS]

  yes alt i'll name the two finalists [TS]

  before talking about the one I chose I [TS]

  at first thought I was gonna go deep [TS]

  catalog and talk about square peg Lou [TS]

  you're talking about [TS]

  no whoo that's that such a nicer yo I [TS]

  didn't even think of that square pegs [TS]

  yeah it's a nice deep catalog selection [TS]

  it was more about more about geeks and [TS]

  nerds because we're talking about the [TS]

  the central characters were like it's [TS]

  takes place in we high school social [TS]

  outcast or try to become part of the [TS]

  part of the popular clique and it really [TS]

  was plug if you were like in high school [TS]

  in the eighties either you were one of [TS]

  the four central characters here or you [TS]

  knew one of the four central characters [TS]

  were trying not to be one of the four [TS]

  central characters in this thing because [TS]

  they the the prophetess Iike it was [TS]

  produced by and beats was a former [TS]

  writer on Saturday Night Live so they do [TS]

  you get things like [TS]

  Estep suggest episodes with Bill Murray [TS]

  devo played one of the characters bar [TS]

  mitzvahs during an episode so it any [TS]

  sitcom that has Divo as a guest star [TS]

  ok that's gonna that's gonna be a great [TS]

  one I was thinking about clerks the [TS]

  animated series also pretty brilliant [TS]

  446 episode run [TS]

  yeah and I was pretty shocked that they [TS]

  got candy i think what they aired one [TS]

  episode and then didn't air like any of [TS]

  this is they produced that was gonna be [TS]

  a hard show itself that's true because [TS]

  if it really was like the flag that [TS]

  clerks the movie you know the original [TS]

  movie all those characters they expanded [TS]

  they expanded the show by having like a [TS]

  Leonardo the evil like land developer [TS]

  who runs the old town we are two girls [TS]

  in corozal 22i know Alan Rickman don't [TS]

  know I thought I don't overthink it [TS]

  because he had that wonderful voice and [TS]

  it's also it's also a good one to pick [TS]

  up not only because it's kevin smith for [TS]

  production but also every city there are [TS]

  voluminous commentary tracks on every [TS]

  episode so it's sort of like everyone is [TS]

  where there's a smart cast with your [TS]

  arms also watching a cartoon while [TS]

  you're listening to the smodcast but i [TS]

  really felt as though I couldn't [TS]

  although i was prepared to defend big [TS]

  bang theory I don't get it if we're [TS]

  talking for talking about Kiki sitcoms [TS]

  you really have to start in the list [TS]

  with futurama I don't think there's ever [TS]

  been a television show as geeky as [TS]

  futurama in terms of how deep a lot of [TS]

  these references go where bender the [TS]

  robot drinks old a bear called old [TS]

  fortran they have an entire episode [TS]

  that's based on what if the future and [TS]

  the universe was done as a 32-bit or [TS]

  8-bit video game so all the animation is [TS]

  done like an 8-bit graphics there is an [TS]

  entire episode so I had a I had to go [TS]

  look this up so let's let the record [TS]

  show that i am a consulting reference [TS]

  for this but they did an entire episode [TS]

  that you've seen you've seen the idea of [TS]

  a body swap like sort of a sitcom plot [TS]

  before like in science fiction and stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  this one to the the joke here is that [TS]

  all the cast of characters keep like [TS]

  doing body swap to get [TS]

  I was little jams until like they don't [TS]

  know how to end that there's a [TS]

  limitation on the machine where once [TS]

  someone has been swapped once they can't [TS]

  swap again to someone who's already been [TS]

  swamped and so because one of their [TS]

  riders and here's more Greek credibility [TS]

  greater credibility one of the writers [TS]

  is actually a PhD mathematician he came [TS]

  up with an entire mathematical proof [TS]

  proving that under the limitations of [TS]

  this machine there is never any point [TS]

  under which it is impossible to put [TS]

  everybody back in their original bodies [TS]

  using a maximum number of bringing into [TS]

  people from the outside who have never [TS]

  been swapped before and this actual [TS]

  proof they don't think that's not like [TS]

  that's not like a joke element of the [TS]

  plot it is an actual worked out proof [TS]

  that actually is actually displayed on a [TS]

  chalkboard so if you are a PhD [TS]

  mathematician you would look at that [TS]

  chalkboard and say gosh darn it that it [TS]

  that does actually work out a freeze [TS]

  frame that on my blu ray/dvd I've wasted [TS]

  two days of my life confirming it but [TS]

  yes I'm willing to kind i'm willing to [TS]

  judge this paper and and Ben and and [TS]

  certify the UN fact our doctor but on [TS]

  top of all the really like cool and [TS]

  funny surface references i sometimes I [TS]

  i'm a big fan of the show and sometimes [TS]

  I have a hard time convincing myself [TS]

  that there's ever been a better animated [TS]

  series ever because in terms of the [TS]

  quality being consistent for episode [TS]

  episode also in terms of the writers the [TS]

  producers never shying away from doing [TS]

  something the really really hard way [TS]

  where you can see we're family guy they [TS]

  would do do is really stupid obvious [TS]

  retreaded joke and get out of there with [TS]

  the simpsons still a funny show i'm [TS]

  still a fan but they would figure out [TS]

  that oh man we really don't want to get [TS]

  involved in this do we so let's just [TS]

  pursue this for five minutes and find a [TS]

  way to abort and go on to the next thing [TS]

  futurama with my favorite episodes of [TS]

  future of not just futurama but any TV [TS]

  sitcom ever a TV show ever was a [TS]

  so-called God fellas where the joke is [TS]

  that bender the robot gets shot out into [TS]

  space like towards the Sun and he's been [TS]

  the the Planet Express crew feel so he's [TS]

  lost forever because he's just been shot [TS]

  way the hell of a deep space that they [TS]

  don't know where he is and I know how to [TS]

  get back to him [TS]

  and meanwhile microbes on his robot body [TS]

  have started to like grow and evolve [TS]

  into sentient like tiny tiny microscopic [TS]

  beings and they regard bender as a god [TS]

  and that's a good setup for about 5-10 [TS]

  minutes of jokes about okay well bender [TS]

  the most selfish creation of the entire [TS]

  worth of course he's going to have the [TS]

  load while I'm where I am your god I [TS]

  demand that you build a brewery so that [TS]

  I can have beer to drink while I'm lost [TS]

  in space but they go through all those [TS]

  sort of sort of things but then they pay [TS]

  off to the end where the colony sort of [TS]

  kills himself because divided into [TS]

  factions because i don't think they [TS]

  don't agree on how best to worship [TS]

  bender and he realizes that arm and I [TS]

  tried to like rescue them i tried to [TS]

  save them nothing works then he finally [TS]

  winds up almost at the end of the [TS]

  universe confronting it incidentally [TS]

  confronting feature that creature that [TS]

  may or may not be God and this creature [TS]

  toxin binary code so was a bender can [TS]

  understand them and they have a Congress [TS]

  and obviously he's been in this God [TS]

  business a lot longer than vendor has [TS]

  and as well you know yeah I know you [TS]

  tried but sometimes the best thing to do [TS]

  is if you use a light hand and sometimes [TS]

  if you if you know if you know you've [TS]

  been doing your job well they'll even [TS]

  questioned even exist to begin with and [TS]

  at the end of the end it by the end of [TS]

  the episode you realize that my goodness [TS]

  this is like a whole year course in [TS]

  theology and this is everything this is [TS]

  everything investment because like every [TS]

  single heavy discussion about the nature [TS]

  of God and why it's not necessary to [TS]

  know that there is absolute proof of God [TS]

  to suspect that a God exists [TS]

  you know what what is that what is the [TS]

  sort of God that you would believe in [TS]

  what you believe that there is a God [TS]

  that simply doesn't want to get involved [TS]

  it is very much a a day instead of a [TS]

  theist version of God the fact that i [TS]

  know the difference between days and [TS]

  theism can use them in this episode [TS]

  demonstrates how much work they put into [TS]

  like actually prosecuting every idea to [TS]

  its fullest so from surface level stuff [TS]

  24 found turn off the TV and wonder [TS]

  about the existence of it all stuff I [TS]

  really don't think there's ever going to [TS]

  be no the TV show that can at least top [TS]

  it so we're going i will promise this to [TS]

  the great incomparable listing onions we [TS]

  will do a whole episode about futurama [TS]

  at a later date and Glenn's Fleischman [TS]

  is crying somewhere that and he just [TS]

  spent all this time talking about [TS]

  futurama and Glenn's not on the podcast [TS]

  because [TS]

  his favorite show so we will do a whole [TS]

  we were talking about futurama episode [TS]

  and now I'm i found somebody else who [TS]

  could be a guest at haha are also i [TS]

  should say that I i previously [TS]

  disqualify the animated series and [TS]

  therefore i would bring down the hammer [TS]

  and disqualify any here except i have [TS]

  with allowing Scott to talk about mst3k [TS]

  which isn't even a sitcom not completely [TS]

  lost control of the podcast so I give up [TS]

  great and thank you for picking futurama [TS]

  so i wanted to talk about their to [TS]

  sometimes I want to bring up one is the [TS]

  one that I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

  promote here and then I think I think we [TS]

  we do need to actually discuss the other [TS]

  one before we go so community [TS]

  yeah I have to bring up and of course as [TS]

  we all know now community has a we got [TS]

  the one-two punch of community being [TS]

  renewed for a fourth season to get it up [TS]

  to a more syndicated below number of [TS]

  episodes and as a part of that they also [TS]

  fired the Dan Harmon who is the creator [TS]

  and showrunner and sort of the madman [TS]

  who made that show presumably made that [TS]

  show what it was and replaced him with [TS]

  some other guys who I'm sure going to [TS]

  try their very best to make a funny show [TS]

  but are not the guy who essentially made [TS]

  it was so yay and boo but I regardless [TS]

  of what happens in that fourth season of [TS]

  community we have the first three and [TS]

  this is a show that on one level is I [TS]

  mean it is a geeky show in that it [TS]

  always had popular culture references [TS]

  from day one the first episode is the [TS]

  breakfast club references especially [TS]

  come fast and furious and so it always [TS]

  had a referential nerdy kind of approach [TS]

  but and of course the character of our [TS]

  bed is from the beginning a giant media [TS]

  nerd and and makes lots of cultural [TS]

  references himself but over the course [TS]

  of the three years this is a show that [TS]

  did one of the very best depictions of [TS]

  dungeons and dragons in television [TS]

  yes in the episode advanced dungeons and [TS]

  dragons as every episode is named sort [TS]

  of like a college course what else do [TS]

  they do they did remedial chaos theory [TS]

  the third season which is the episode [TS]

  where the rolling of ass excited dye [TS]

  leads to seven different timelines from [TS]

  the darkest timeline where I had and [TS]

  horrible garden gnome is eaten by one of [TS]

  the characters while it's on fire and [TS]

  somebody's arm gets cut off and people [TS]

  are burned and it's terrible [TS]

  all to just did to the one that ends up [TS]

  becoming me with the real time line at [TS]

  the end which is much nicer timeline [TS]

  because Joel McHale character is sent to [TS]

  the pizza guy instead of everyone else [TS]

  going to the piece of pizza guy great [TS]

  fantastic episode don't forget the 8-bit [TS]

  8-bit video game episode right with you [TS]

  a game episode [TS]

  yeah so good so unsurprisingly out of [TS]

  nowhere good and cribs its plot from [TS]

  ready player one [TS]

  yeah things you actually about indeed a [TS]

  better a better depiction of ready [TS]

  player one only one who like that [TS]

  ready player one sorry I seasons of [TS]

  paintball fighting the ball and first [TS]

  one of the greatest action movie oh ma [TS]

  jizz ever ever done [TS]

  yes my generation pass christmas special [TS]

  my dinner with Abed yeah yeah the [TS]

  recurring Inspector Spacetime which is [TS]

  it about as loving a doctor who [TS]

  oh my gosh as one would ever expect to [TS]

  find on mainstream american television [TS]

  and of course the Dreamatorium which [TS]

  makes all things three-minute Orion [TS]

  which is the holodeck is a room painted [TS]

  like the next generation holodeck where [TS]

  Troy and Abed I have their own imaginary [TS]

  playtime and then there's the episode [TS]

  where any and all better in the [TS]

  Dreamatorium right that he's which is [TS]

  one of those last episodes so you know I [TS]

  I don't know they're so so much [TS]

  there is so much because it is their [TS]

  individual episodes that go over the top [TS]

  and then sprinkled throughout just [TS]

  incredible number of of funny references [TS]

  a never never get the sense that the [TS]

  show is full is laughing at the [TS]

  nerdiness as much as embracing it and [TS]

  loving it and it and it's a show with a [TS]

  with a [TS]

  a good heart or at least as good a harsh [TS]

  a show can have when Chevy Chase is on [TS]

  it 00 [TS]

  the thing I really like about this show [TS]

  is that at its heart you basically have [TS]

  a bunch of archetypal characters [TS]

  I mean you get them flushed out to a [TS]

  certain extent but I episode to episode [TS]

  the theme of the group was more or less [TS]

  the same already did [TS]

  there are these people who have come [TS]

  together by sort of uh unwilling means [TS]

  and have developed sort of a community [TS]

  and if hey and a friendship from that [TS]

  and and I when I first started watching [TS]

  the show in the back of my head first [TS]

  thought was I do not understand how this [TS]

  show keeps on being on television but i [TS]

  love it and then the second thought was [TS]

  basically they're just taking these [TS]

  characters and throwing them into the [TS]

  wackiest different situation they can [TS]

  per episode and if you look at it almost [TS]

  as like a you know [TS]

  clapping clapping characters in [TS]

  different situations and be like alright [TS]

  play with this see how this goes [TS]

  let's have fun it's it's not as if this [TS]

  sitcom it didn't work as a sitcom there [TS]

  are episodes that are very much more [TS]

  mainstream because they went off format [TS]

  a lot but they also stayed on format [TS]

  alot and those episodes are good too and [TS]

  have funny interesting and I'm kind of [TS]

  geeky things to talk about to so it [TS]

  wasn't as if this is a show i'm talking [TS]

  about in past tense it you know it it's [TS]

  it will be back without Dan Harmon but [TS]

  it wasn't fair it's more like the fourth [TS]

  season of coupling but that was actually [TS]

  often actually did the fourth season of [TS]

  coupling so I don't think we can say [TS]

  that I what I thought mentioned coupling [TS]

  to anyway so so but the show it didn't [TS]

  just work when it when it did the crazy [TS]

  weird episodes i think i think that the [TS]

  characters were strong and and for a [TS]

  show with seven a sitcom with seven [TS]

  characters one of the amazing things [TS]

  about community is that I think you can [TS]

  draw a line between all any of those two [TS]

  characters and seis if you watch the [TS]

  first three seasons and say something [TS]

  about the relationship between those [TS]

  characters that it's not as if you know [TS]

  those characters are dynamic and they [TS]

  they have an interesting interaction [TS]

  with every other member of the ensemble [TS]

  which is hard to do i think especially [TS]

  in a [TS]

  sitcom with as many wacky things in it [TS]

  and I appreciate the that as israel says [TS]

  you know the love these characters [TS]

  started is kind of you know archetypes [TS]

  are shades if you want to be less [TS]

  generous personally my favorite [TS]

  character but i think is involved the [TS]

  most since the beginning is Troy who [TS]

  started out as very much sort of the [TS]

  jock character yeah he was the captain [TS]

  of the football team right go to contend [TS]

  and that is you know you see how that he [TS]

  develops through three seasons and [TS]

  especially when they get him to the [TS]

  point where he and Abed basically become [TS]

  you know best buddies and the [TS]

  relationship between the two of them [TS]

  ends up being I think one of the sort of [TS]

  at the heart of the show in many ways [TS]

  trying to bed in the morning [TS]

  it just it is a it is a fantastic show [TS]

  so if there's anybody out there who has [TS]

  not seen community just go I i believe [TS]

  that the first season's I don't know if [TS]

  it's on netflix the first seasons on [TS]

  itunes for cheap the other two aren't [TS]

  cheap but the first one super cheap and [TS]

  it's great great show you do you think [TS]

  the bizarreness sometimes because it [TS]

  makes it hard to find an entry point for [TS]

  the series because that was the problem [TS]

  i had with that I don't think it's a bad [TS]

  series at all it's just that I think I [TS]

  might have seen like you know how it is [TS]

  like you just see cats like the last 10 [TS]

  minutes of something with the last five [TS]

  minutes or something while you're like [TS]

  you know because your DVR with a little [TS]

  bit too long or whatever or you just got [TS]

  you know nothing to do on thursday [TS]

  nights you have to catch what happened [TS]

  to catch and it just never just never [TS]

  got into it because I really couldn't [TS]

  understand what I was seeing so i didn't [TS]

  i didn't make any sort of a judgment on [TS]

  it but it really made it more difficult [TS]

  for me to say oh I really get that go [TS]

  that's a really cool character wow I [TS]

  really like how unpredictable that twist [TS]

  was I just didn't figure it out enough [TS]

  to want to see the next out so i think [TS]

  that's one of the problems with the [TS]

  show's accessibility I think that's one [TS]

  of the reasons that number has had great [TS]

  ratings and I i think as great as those [TS]

  off format episodes are they [TS]

  I don't know how accessible they are [TS]

  they they they benefit greatly from you [TS]

  knowing what the characters are and and [TS]

  they can be quite bizarre and and the [TS]

  first season has many more on format [TS]

  episodes I do feel like at the end of [TS]

  the first season they did the the [TS]

  paintball episode and I felt like that [TS]

  was a turning point in that they decided [TS]

  this was great and they were going to do [TS]

  more like that and the good news is [TS]

  they're off format episodes generally [TS]

  were great and not bad but they were [TS]

  weird and off off the format you know it [TS]

  could have gone really wrong where they [TS]

  just decided in the third season there's [TS]

  a point when they went on hiatus where I [TS]

  feel like they just said they didn't [TS]

  care anymore just gonna go too far as [TS]

  far off the the plot as they as they [TS]

  could and they wouldn't care but I think [TS]

  that's a lie i think that harms its [TS]

  accessibility to to have these kind of [TS]

  bizarre tangential episodes but uh if [TS]

  you if you start from the beginning I [TS]

  think you would be rewarded it's a very [TS]

  very very smart and funny show [TS]

  I'm suddenly cursing myself because [TS]

  talking about this way maybe suddenly [TS]

  remember chris elliott and get a life [TS]

  haha [TS]

  because that which would be a good pick [TS]

  for a blitz not getting so that's [TS]

  another like half hour and of itself but [TS]

  it had the exact same problem i love [TS]

  that show was a wonderful show it was so [TS]

  hard for [TS]

  if you didn't know the chris elliott [TS]

  character and also if you also didn't [TS]

  know like bees the son of bob elliott [TS]

  who he himself like it's part of Bob and [TS]

  Ray if you didn't understand the whole [TS]

  premise of bobbin raise comedy it's hard [TS]

  to really get into it understand why are [TS]

  these two guys to radio guys just having [TS]

  a conversation about light bulbs why is [TS]

  this so hysterically funny why are you [TS]

  laughing at this you could you don't [TS]

  understand is Bob and Ray there's [TS]

  totally deconstructing this that ad you [TS]

  laugh about like by-the-numbers sitcoms [TS]

  but they really do make it easy for you [TS]

  to figure out [TS]

  orient yourself and figure out okay I [TS]

  know what they're doing here [TS]

  ok this is actually good for us for what [TS]

  they're doing I remember stumbling on an [TS]

  episode of get a life and and it was I [TS]

  mean I knew Chris Elliott was from david [TS]

  letterman bedroom it's an episode where [TS]

  at the end he's sitting waiting for [TS]

  somebody like outside of gate and and it [TS]

  should show that keeps dissolving and he [TS]

  gets old and then he's a skeleton at the [TS]

  end of the episode he's dead he died the [TS]

  idea about what two-thirds of the [TS]

  episode yeah the crazy so so should we [TS]

  talk about the big bang theory because I [TS]

  but I feel like it's the elephant in the [TS]

  room that therein in the chat room we [TS]

  have people saying i can't wait for them [TS]

  to to tear apart the big bang theory and [TS]

  I i don't know i mean it is the show [TS]

  that's about geeks and and geek culture [TS]

  it is a sitcom [TS]

  where the the four main characters four [TS]

  of the five main characters i guess we [TS]

  should say or 47 now are our geeky [TS]

  gentlemen and and so I you know the [TS]

  pilot i'll say this the pilot of the big [TS]

  bang theory is maybe the worst sitcom [TS]

  pilot I've ever seen ISIL I saw although [TS]

  I saw the original pilot I they may have [TS]

  actually shot some of it by i saw at the [TS]

  summer the summer before it went on the [TS]

  air i saw the original pilot was very [TS]

  bad and yet I have to say having watched [TS]

  a guy i think a tune back in later in [TS]

  the first season after heard some people [TS]

  praising it actually like the show I [TS]

  actually think it's a perfectly good [TS]

  serviceable CBS films in front of a live [TS]

  studio audience [TS]

  you know mainstream ish sitcom and I [TS]

  don't think it I i I'd think it has more [TS]

  love toward nerdiness and then it then [TS]

  it it sort of makes them out to be the [TS]

  butt of jokes i think there's more [TS]

  affection too and i think it humanizes [TS]

  them i think and i think there are lots [TS]

  of very funny nerdy references in the [TS]

  show which wouldn't I if this was [TS]

  something that was a sanded down [TS]

  no smart references just really using [TS]

  these guys is as geeks to laugh at I [TS]

  would feel differently about it but I [TS]

  actually think for what it is which is a [TS]

  very mainstream CBS sitcom I actually I [TS]

  I like I I still watch it i have seen [TS]

  every episode of that show i will i will [TS]

  say I'm on I'm on the flipside only seen [TS]

  like two episodes ever and mostly things [TS]

  I just caught by accident [TS]

  do not do not recall laughing at [TS]

  everything much anything I saw in there [TS]

  and also I don't know I i did not feel [TS]

  that the show seemed as affectionate to [TS]

  me in some ways not that it was mocking [TS]

  doesn't like lead and well it's [TS]

  impossible but it felt a little bit like [TS]

  felt a little bit like ready player one [TS]

  in that he was well I mean in that it [TS]

  was kinda geeky and clearly the people [TS]

  writing it had some you know had some [TS]

  fondness for the subject matter but the [TS]

  same time just trying too hard [TS]

  I think [TS]

  well it has it has the problem of the a [TS]

  lot of seconds by the producer in that I [TS]

  know there's gonna be at least five [TS]

  crotch jokes i'm just not going to enjoy [TS]

  it all [TS]

  we just sort of see that drone coming [TS]

  and saying oh god is going to be a [TS]

  premature ejaculation joke here we just [TS]

  get it over with let's move on to [TS]

  something more from but i I've heard a [TS]

  lot of complaints that it makes fun of [TS]

  geeks instead of like making making [TS]

  jokes from within that community and i [TS]

  honestly believe that if you feel as if [TS]

  you feel as though a geek can't take a [TS]

  punch [TS]

  stay inside on your comforter with your [TS]

  inhaler and just being protective little [TS]

  bit you that it's I think it's a [TS]

  positive thing that it's okay to make [TS]

  fun of this part of humanity that were [TS]

  that were that much a that were there [TS]

  that the prominent member of society [TS]

  that we can be made fun of just like you [TS]

  know the the just like the job can be [TS]

  made fun of just because just like the [TS]

  the elite rich snobby made fun of and [TS]

  also i really do think that mostly humor [TS]

  does come from a good place where they [TS]

  will go for some of the cheap jokes from [TS]

  time to time but at the same time you [TS]

  know let's deliver the Leonard is really [TS]

  the emotional core the intellectual core [TS]

  of the entire show in that he you know [TS]

  he does he does have a problem digesting [TS]

  digesting dairy products but he's also [TS]

  the guy who really will reach out to [TS]

  other characters and help them along [TS]

  he's the guy who is it's not just oh I'm [TS]

  an area i can't have I will Pyun after [TS]

  the blood across the room across the [TS]

  hall but I will never be able to cook do [TS]

  follow through anything because i'm such [TS]

  a nerd [TS]

  no he actually you know goes through [TS]

  what he thinks his weaknesses are he [TS]

  also defends himself for his strengths [TS]

  army with he was proud of the fact that [TS]

  he will argue about our argument a movie [TS]

  or argue about certain complex character [TS]

  and I i just and it's just a lot of [TS]

  really good smart humor and top of it [TS]

  the the scene that could the scene that [TS]

  really really got me that really got me [TS]

  hooked was an opening opening episode [TS]

  black up before the first commercial in [TS]

  which they've all got the whiteboard out [TS]

  there trying to solve the problem of [TS]

  which will how can all fall for them [TS]

  find a movie theater that can says that [TS]

  as the movie movie they want to play the [TS]

  right THX sound system the right kandi [TS]

  the right everything so that everything [TS]

  all these variables can be conglomerated [TS]

  a solution to be found and announcements [TS]

  diagrams are being discharged being done [TS]

  and then suddenly letter just said look [TS]

  at the port says you know there really [TS]

  is only one solution to this problem and [TS]

  need silence CSC Sheldon another three [TS]

  of them leave and leave them behind [TS]

  realize that Sheldon is the reason why [TS]

  they can't figure out how to do that so [TS]

  as as the audience is laughing and [TS]

  shoulders watching the retreat he looks [TS]

  back to the board and he just says [TS]

  you're absolutely right there for this [TS]

  really was the only solution available [TS]

  yet you know it's and the show is [TS]

  evolved to I the the characters are are [TS]

  not kind of encased in amber like yet [TS]

  like different of the word season one [TS]

  yesterday that they've evolved except [TS]

  for shelter but you're right but that's [TS]

  his deal and even even he has evolved to [TS]

  a certain extent but it's you know it [TS]

  it's an interesting dynamic the adding [TS]

  the other women characters and i think [TS]

  is actually a I'm fascinated by a short [TS]

  I sort of feel like they've created a [TS]

  parallel show within their own show with [TS]

  a with the the women characters [TS]

  interacting with each other as well as [TS]

  the men and the women and their [TS]

  relationships together that it's it's [TS]

  really taking me by surprise because [TS]

  like i said i saw the pilot I thought it [TS]

  was bad [TS]

  I for whatever reason heard that it [TS]

  wasn't may be so bad and tuned in and [TS]

  have been witnessed it evolved you know [TS]

  again I don't want to give it a [TS]

  backhanded compliment by saying it you [TS]

  know it's a mainstream to come it is in [TS]

  that format and yet within that format i [TS]

  think it does a lot very well and is is [TS]

  you know generally respectful the the [TS]

  references they make are right the [TS]

  things that the the characters care [TS]

  about that are geeky whether it's comics [TS]

  or TV or or video games that you know [TS]

  there are things that that geeky people [TS]

  actually do care about and to argue [TS]

  about and they don't resolve them [TS]

  incorrectly there there are like with [TS]

  futurama where there are insanely nerdy [TS]

  things that are right like what [TS]

  including diagrams on a chalkboard big [TS]

  bang theory [TS]

  we you know it feels like it gets that [TS]

  stuff right and it it and a it would be [TS]

  very easy to not care and get it wrong [TS]

  and go for things that were incredibly [TS]

  broad and wrong because we're really [TS]

  just laughing at these people and it [TS]

  doesn't do that so so much to my [TS]

  surprise I have to say it is and you [TS]

  know continues to be a pretty a pretty [TS]

  good show i think it may be the only [TS]

  completely standard multi-camera sitcom [TS]

  show that i watch in family at this [TS]

  point i would start just throw out a [TS]

  corresponding one which is also a CVS [TS]

  multi-camera I'm that i would argue is [TS]

  fairly geeky which is how i met your [TS]

  mother [TS]

  yeah it's it's like it's it you know [TS]

  what I think how i met your mother is [TS]

  geeky because it's a sitcom with [TS]

  continuity [TS]

  well it's also how I mean to be fair [TS]

  they had an entire episode that's about [TS]

  watching that's about watching the Star [TS]

  Wars trilogy [TS]

  I'm sorry entire episode about that they [TS]

  have many many episodes only marriage [TS]

  like Star Wars so well I mean but like [TS]

  that that make an appointment to watch [TS]

  it every three years and they mark their [TS]

  life I've ever what happened every time [TS]

  they watch the Star Wars trilogy and at [TS]

  one point Ted like wants to break up [TS]

  with a girl who hasn't seen Star Wars I [TS]

  mean you know it's not super geeky but I [TS]

  think there are a lot of geeky [TS]

  references in you know and it in some [TS]

  ways it some more [TS]

  it's a less stereotypical version of [TS]

  geekery which is to say they do geeky [TS]

  things but they are not necessarily [TS]

  defined by their geekery right although [TS]

  actually a real Patrick Harris character [TS]

  although he has a lothario and he has a [TS]

  stormtrooper he's a gigantic nerd is [TS]

  underneath it all [TS]

  this is true those the two shows on CBS [TS]

  that I had that I want Lincoln with a to [TS]

  lincoln with Andy's a comment earlier [TS]

  chris elliott also appears as a [TS]

  recurring role as alyson hannigan's [TS]

  father not to mention back several [TS]

  character you know several actors in [TS]

  that show who are well known for being [TS]

  on extremely geeky television shows such [TS]

  as Neil Patrick Harris alyson hannigan [TS]

  jason segel you know right that's a [TS]

  lotta there's a lot of geek tie-ins with [TS]

  that so I I think you could make a [TS]

  strong case for yes Jason Segel who is [TS]

  in freaks and geeks would be although [TS]

  not a sitcom a fantastic show with the [TS]

  other i think my other favorite dungeons [TS]

  and dry [TS]

  hands now reference Carlos work it yes i [TS]

  am the designation for me about Kiki [TS]

  sitcoms is really if you were to remove [TS]

  the geeky elements from the sitcom would [TS]

  still be an enjoyable show and would you [TS]

  still go out of your way to walk [TS]

  still go out of your way to walk [TS]

  jet and foremost every one of them on my [TS]

  list i could say yeah you take out i [TS]

  mean these elements are fun and they [TS]

  enrich the experience but you take the [TS]

  geek out of community and it's still a [TS]

  show about interesting characters who [TS]

  happened to have interesting things you [TS]

  take the geek out of space and you still [TS]

  have you know a group of friends who [TS]

  loves each other very much and get into [TS]

  shenanigans whether or not they begin [TS]

  influence to nature you take the geek [TS]

  out of like big bang theory i don't know [TS]

  i don't know [TS]

  yeah well if you take a geek out a big [TS]

  bang theory you have a sitcom about a [TS]

  blonde woman from Nebraska who lives in [TS]

  an apartment across the hall from an [TS]

  empty apartment the less interesting [TS]

  have but probably funnier isn't a little [TS]

  bit like saying taking taking the army [TS]

  out of mesh the worst was the worst [TS]

  episodes to master the ones word really [TS]

  became hey lets it looks like we work at [TS]

  a brewery let's challenge the other [TS]

  brewery to a bowling match and [TS]

  everything they really did an episode of [TS]

  my favorite episode of I Love Laverne [TS]

  and Shirley what wide appeal [TS]

  Mazel a big bang theory is awful by the [TS]

  way so fast haha i want to say yes but [TS]

  now let it out Scott let it out let it [TS]

  all hang out so i cannot say this [TS]

  scientifically since I've only sat [TS]

  through four episodes because I felt [TS]

  that as a geek I should watch the big [TS]

  bang theory which i think is their [TS]

  twisted way of getting me to what's [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  shame on them it is it is shameful and [TS]

  it I you know I have no I think it's a [TS]

  authentic right they get the geek stuff [TS]

  right [TS]

  I was I didn't have any nerd rage about [TS]

  you know great lanter doesn't wear that [TS]

  ring out in when it's al Jordan know [TS]

  that was off the table and you didn't [TS]

  feel a hey they're making fun of me no I [TS]

  just felt like just offended by the [TS]

  comedy [TS]

  this isn't a joke is absolutely right [TS]

  and make a little happy that you had to [TS]

  kill it [TS]

  except this is this is a choc Lori [TS]

  sitcom people it is not good television [TS]

  he's related to half man half degree [TS]

  here that I have your chocolate factory [TS]

  just does not only make bad shows he has [TS]

  made good shows too but he invited [TS]

  monetary batches and he is not a good [TS]

  sitcom [TS]

  maker and I think he should be stopped [TS]

  yeah he is he has made good sitcom he [TS]

  has made good shows and here in the end [TS]

  he has made successful shows but he's [TS]

  very rarely made both at the same time [TS]

  there are you say he is very successful [TS]

  people like it i don't know why but I i [TS]

  think those people haha that's why [TS]

  you're on this despite your headache [TS]

  that's why I wanted you want this to [TS]

  denounce any positivity about the big [TS]

  bang theory the big bag theory is not [TS]

  and like I said I we need it gets all [TS]

  the facts correct [TS]

  I it just is not funny we were just in [TS]

  that's very subjective so obviously if [TS]

  you think it's funny that that's fine [TS]

  you're wrong but you can be my heart if [TS]

  you like you just lost more points got [TS]

  oh man you're now in the negative [TS]

  what else should we before we go what [TS]

  else should we mentioned a lot of people [TS]

  I I thought we were going to talk about [TS]

  the IT crowd which i guess i should [TS]

  mention the English sitcom which is [TS]

  funny about a latin american version [TS]

  oh I I haven't seen the american version [TS]

  I I steer clear of American versions of [TS]

  English sitcoms but they the english [TS]

  version which i think is on netflix is a [TS]

  is very funny about a an ID helpdesk was [TS]

  not largely helpful in its broadest [TS]

  range and and and funny I don't know [TS]

  anybody has seen besides me and it's [TS]

  kind of only like borderline key but [TS]

  there's a british sitcom I saw last year [TS]

  called spy know which is about it kind [TS]

  of hapless guy who works in like a [TS]

  computer shop and decides you know what [TS]

  I'm going to quit my job and he goes in [TS]

  for what he thinks is a job interview [TS]

  and accidentally ended up interviewing [TS]

  at a basically like mi5 mi6 or something [TS]

  like that and accidentally become a spy [TS]

  it's a cute little half hours to common [TS]

  ground for like six episodes but i don't [TS]

  know maybe think of it because he is [TS]

  kind of a hapless geeky guy who just [TS]

  happens to end up as a superspy never [TS]

  said it comes we are we have a title yet [TS]

  for the with young ones coat because [TS]

  they were all other away their pump so [TS]

  that was it that was that was going to [TS]

  go and aired on mtv in in the u.s. that [TS]

  that is a great great show i have fond [TS]

  memories of the n1 [TS]

  them in true English tradition i think [TS]

  they were like nine episodes of that [TS]

  show right but what is this bizarre idea [TS]

  they have about ending a sitcom before [TS]

  it starts to stink [TS]

  yeah rik mayall and who else is in that [TS]

  Alexei Sayle have it out actually think [TS]

  that was very much like that community [TS]

  in the sense that they were put or or or [TS]

  get a life where there's bizarre like [TS]

  Alexei Sayle was various characters and [TS]

  when he appeared he sort of didn't make [TS]

  any sense and was it was non sequitur [TS]

  she was almost Monty Python like levels [TS]

  of non sequitur asian the middle of [TS]

  these these sitcom plots involving these [TS]

  penniless college students living in a [TS]

  completely did when they just squatting [TS]

  and like an abandoned house [TS]

  I'm not bitter at student that student [TS]

  housing is that they have a landlord mr. [TS]

  velovsky also played by alexei sayle I [TS]

  i'm reminded of the other show that I [TS]

  meant to I meant to mention and didn't [TS]

  which is red dwarf which is the only [TS]

  real sci-fi Space sitcom I think that [TS]

  ever had any success at all and it's [TS]

  bizarre and it got bad as it went along [TS]

  and they're still making them i think [TS]

  now again but but I I i watch that with [TS]

  a lot of skepticism and I actually like [TS]

  the first few seasons of red dwarf it's [TS]

  a very strange broad kind of thing but [TS]

  you know I actually kind of like red [TS]

  door and get out like two spaceships and [TS]

  and made it is a spaceship outer space [TS]

  sitcom it is unabashedly a sci-fi to [TS]

  come and and Crichton the android played [TS]

  by robert Llewellyn who you might also [TS]

  know from junkyard wars if you remember [TS]

  back in the day LOL i will mention i [TS]

  think i mentioned it on our episode [TS]

  about shows that got cancelled too fast [TS]

  the cartoon show clone high which I [TS]

  would argue is also fairly ki-i-i-ng [TS]

  anything that out of respect for Jason [TS]

  no animation role that anybody I blonde [TS]

  the lids off [TS]

  I'm sorry but there was not in the [TS]

  document that I was presented with as [TS]

  the interns for this show clone clone [TS]

  high is a good one of the tick is the [TS]

  tick an excellent choice animated and [TS]

  live-action yeah and the live action [TS]

  even if we take the no animated real the [TS]

  live action that was a that was a [TS]

  half-hour superhero comedy what's Eric [TS]

  Andre's that men will that my wealth and [TS]

  yes an arthur and the tick later mass no [TS]

  well but yes i know i love that I love [TS]

  deflator mouse in a cartoon and yet [TS]

  batmanuel is also excellent Nestor [TS]

  Carbonell is diamond well now with the [TS]

  fact that the the look well even though [TS]

  was just a pilot start Adam West was [TS]

  written by conan o'brien with that [TS]

  qualify that as a geeky sitcom was it a [TS]

  comedy [TS]

  oh hell yeah okay it was Ireland had no [TS]

  idea it was a pilot have actually aired [TS]

  and it was probably the of the most [TS]

  hilariously funny pilot of any sitcom [TS]

  that happen to catch i was i was [TS]

  actually disappointed that find out that [TS]

  was the only one that they would ever [TS]

  actually make BB that funnier than heat [TS]

  vision and Jack which is my favorite [TS]

  pilot that never be that that i guess- [TS]

  is the disadvantage with that what is [TS]

  that it didn't live up to the it got so [TS]

  much hype but to me before I actually [TS]

  saw it that didn't live up to it [TS]

  Dan Harmon from community brought that [TS]

  yes indeed alright well this has been a [TS]

  crazy and sometimes quite tangential [TS]

  walkthrough many funny things but i [TS]

  thought this was great i thought we [TS]

  covered a lot of a lot of ground and so [TS]

  i'm going to say that we have had enough [TS]

  for this episode and i would like to [TS]

  thank my excellent guess for being here [TS]

  fighting through a headache so that he [TS]

  could share his love of of of mystery [TS]

  science theater and so that he could [TS]

  share his hate of the big bang theory [TS]

  Scott McNulty thank you for being here [TS]

  I think hate overcame my headache so [TS]

  let's go to the lesson to the kids [TS]

  I'm glad you're feeling better be [TS]

  covered by the haight provided clarity [TS]

  in your head that that really is a great [TS]

  epitaph for anybody's tombstone he was [TS]

  generous and love and generous and hate [TS]

  it's true [TS]

  ok my hate will ensure that i never dies [TS]

  throw the heat keeps you alive it does [TS]

  yeah i thought was your hey sweating you [TS]

  now and I could thank you for being here [TS]

  thank you for having me you are enjoy a [TS]

  treasure traces still thank you i [TS]

  appreciate you coming on and sharing [TS]

  your your love for funny funny things [TS]

  even if they were animated Dan Morgan [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  let's never play again I mean it's great [TS]

  to be here Jason yeah and serenity [TS]

  called well thank you very much for [TS]

  being thank you [TS]

  it was lovely and I will close with [TS]

  perhaps the weirdest line from spaced [TS]

  rabbits rabbits rabbits rabbits rabbits [TS]

  rabbits right i guess i need to watch [TS]

  more space yeah you did it [TS]

  I've only seen at halftime so who I made [TS]

  a reference that no one got eyewitness [TS]

  podcasts dad got it i think i got it you [TS]

  don't count [TS]

  well that's true I'm used I'm used to [TS]

  that but me [TS]

  well in the forest and nobody understood [TS]

  it was still hip [TS]

  yes I say yes right and I'd like to [TS]

  thank our audience for listening and I [TS]

  hope maybe we turned onto some new funny [TS]

  stuff that you didn't know about before [TS]

  until next time I am Jason snow ghost [TS]

  being comfortable thanks for listening [TS]

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