84: Wind is the Enemy

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0:00:05the incomparable podcast number 84

0:00:09market 2012 we're back on the

0:00:14incomparable podcast I am Jason Snelling

0:00:16your host and i'm joined by a single

0:00:18guest this time it is John siracusa hi

0:00:20John

0:00:21hello Jason we are here to talk about

0:00:23the films of one particular director and

0:00:27the it is heiio miyazaki the Japanese

0:00:30director of animated films many of which

0:00:34are near and dear to our hearts so we

0:00:37thought we would take some time and and

0:00:39we've been running up to this because we

0:00:40did our children's film episode where we

0:00:44talked about this a little bit and in

0:00:46the in the draft of films John

0:00:50specifically avoided drafting miyazaki

0:00:54movies and I had one of my own honorable

0:00:56mention but I didn't draft any anyway

0:00:59but you may you may or may not i mean

0:01:00he's kind of a cult figure right i mean

0:01:02the people who know him really know him

0:01:04and love him and then there's lots of

0:01:05people I think who quite sadly have no

0:01:09idea who this guy is and he's actually

0:01:10one of the great figures in animated

0:01:15film history

0:01:16yeah I'm kind of disappointed in our

0:01:18crop of nerds that I thought there would

0:01:21be more miyazaki nerds even you were not

0:01:23a miyazaki nerd you had seen some and

0:01:25like them but you have to do a bunch of

0:01:27homework for this episode to go back and

0:01:28watch the newcomers I thought for sure

0:01:30they would be a better representation in

0:01:33the incomparable crew of people who are

0:01:35really into anime or no miyazaki is but

0:01:38it looks like it was just me and then

0:01:39you as the person who was willing to

0:01:42well as the host as the host I am always

0:01:45up for well that's not true there are

0:01:47some things that I'm not going to the

0:01:48research on but in this I was happy to

0:01:50do it because a couple of his movies are

0:01:53among my favorite movies of all time and

0:01:55ones that i love watching with my kids

0:01:58and so I was happy to explore further

0:02:01but it's true i'm sure there are some

0:02:03listeners out there who cannot believe

0:02:05that we couldn't chin up a third or

0:02:07fourth guest for this episode but I

0:02:08figured at this point you know between

0:02:10the two of us to to survey this guy's

0:02:13career when we're talking about miyazaki

0:02:15with what does he have like nine feature

0:02:18film

0:02:19so there's a lot to talk about i think

0:02:22we could probably go film by film and

0:02:25talk about them a little bit and

0:02:26honestly i think that that we could take

0:02:27one or two of these movies and spend a

0:02:30full hour just on them so between the

0:02:31two of us you can you can go you can go

0:02:34with a deep knowledge or i guess the

0:02:36broad knowledge of his career and I can

0:02:38go deep with a few films and then I can

0:02:40chime in on a few others but so so where

0:02:44should we start hehe miyazaki actually

0:02:47did some some comics some manga before

0:02:50he he started doing films right that's

0:02:54one thing I don't know about i'm not a

0:02:56miyazaki historian and i followed his

0:02:58career from so my understanding is that

0:03:00NASA is actually based among get that he

0:03:01working out yeah a lot of his movies are

0:03:03based on works that are not his so he's

0:03:05right one of those people who have to

0:03:06write everything that he creates or

0:03:09originated the intellectual property as

0:03:11we now called right right and he's also

0:03:13got some interesting at these films are

0:03:15fascinated me the first the first movie

0:03:17of his that I saw was actually spirited

0:03:19away which won the Oscar for Best

0:03:21Animated Feature and that is a that is a

0:03:25really strange movie and I remember

0:03:27seeing it and thinking parts of this are

0:03:29really beautiful and then there are

0:03:31things that happen in the plot that I i

0:03:33just got the distinct feeling that

0:03:35despite all of the presumably careful

0:03:38translation that went into the movie in

0:03:40making it for an english-speaking

0:03:41audience that the that they were massive

0:03:45cultural gaps that I could not

0:03:46understand that and I kept thinking to

0:03:49myself I'm sure what I just saw it made

0:03:51sense to people in Japan but i have no

0:03:54idea what is going to happen now like

0:03:56took things that happen completely out

0:03:58of the blue at which I actually love I

0:04:00mean there's some scenes in there that

0:04:01that I wear it in spirited away where

0:04:05there's that what the the faceless the

0:04:07no-face guy and he ends up like vomiting

0:04:11everything its he's eaten and and I

0:04:14thought well sure of course that would

0:04:17happen he there's like a slug that gets

0:04:21thrown up and mph at and it just it was

0:04:25so weird and and so I didn't watch any

0:04:28other movies of his for a while because

0:04:29that is a very strange movie I do

0:04:32have you watched any anime and your

0:04:33sordid past of being a teen comic book

0:04:37nerd so whatever

0:04:38no I am completely anime layered beyond

0:04:41the beyond the American a Americanized

0:04:46version of i guess it was a battleship

0:04:49yamato but its star Blazers basically

0:04:52with the only i'm only anime that I ever

0:04:53at that I ever saw and so when I saw

0:04:56spirited away I was like whoa this is

0:04:57interesting

0:04:59that's so so when you watch a lot of

0:05:00anime or I'll up you tend to get steeped

0:05:05in Japanese culture without even knowing

0:05:07you are because you don't know where

0:05:08these things come from but once you see

0:05:09the same type of thing in 20 different

0:05:11and you're like that must be a thing is

0:05:13surely these 20 different people aren't

0:05:16didn't arrive at this strange thing that

0:05:18strange to me as a westerner on their

0:05:20own and so by the time spirited away

0:05:23comes along if like me you spent here

0:05:25teen years watching all the anime you

0:05:27could find at speedway seems i mean i'm

0:05:31not going to say it's not weird it is

0:05:32weird but it's kind of like the same

0:05:33kind of weird that are used as

0:05:35consistent it

0:05:36yeah and within the realm of anime i

0:05:37would say that like if if you have never

0:05:41seen a movie before and then you saw I

0:05:44don't get to pick a director I gotta

0:05:46terrence malick Quentin Tarantino's I

0:05:50gave if there is something you know

0:05:52there are directors and his films and

0:05:53then there are the ones that we put up

0:05:54on pedestals these great directors or

0:05:56whatever

0:05:57anime is similar there's anime that's

0:06:00you know those Michael Bay anime to come

0:06:02to put it bluntly I and and then

0:06:05miyazaki is definitely one of those big

0:06:07names in Scorsese's the coppola he's

0:06:09right

0:06:09even the the quentin tarantino sometimes

0:06:12kind of all rolled into one so although

0:06:14i was a big anime fan when i was a teen

0:06:16as i got older i came to narrow my

0:06:19appreciation of Japanese animation so

0:06:23why I only want the good stuff kinda

0:06:24like you with the with watchman i just

0:06:26listened to that watchman episode where

0:06:27you said that after watch men you're

0:06:30like why why am i bothering with this

0:06:31yeah well read this crap because like

0:06:33look at the watchman showed how it's

0:06:35done and anything doesn't live up to

0:06:36that standard seems like I'm wasting my

0:06:37time

0:06:38so once I discovered this video jibley

0:06:41movies and miyazaki and discovered this

0:06:44little little

0:06:45tiny sliver as it isn't all media of

0:06:47really really great japanese animation i

0:06:50became much less interested in the more

0:06:53sort of schlocky stuff right and i'm

0:06:55sure i mean i-i don't wanna say anything

0:06:57negative about anime fans because I'm

0:06:58sure there's a lot of really cool stuff

0:07:00out there but i do get the sense that uh

0:07:04it can be well as an outsider I find

0:07:07that kind of off-putting right there's

0:07:09so much detail and people who know about

0:07:10this stuff and and so when I say we're

0:07:15spending an hour talking about a

0:07:16japanese animation director I know that

0:07:18might even come across as being kind of

0:07:20like really esoteric and I think that's

0:07:22the the primary point i wanted to get

0:07:25across in this episode is you know

0:07:27Miyazaki's got some stuff that's that's

0:07:29more out there but he's got some he's

0:07:32he's made some movies especially for

0:07:34kids that i would put up against any any

0:07:38movie made animated appropriate for

0:07:42children in the history of film he you

0:07:45know it's it is like you said he's not

0:07:47only a master of the anime shandra but

0:07:50he somebody who who really transcends it

0:07:52and that people who've never seen like

0:07:53me who've never been swimming in in

0:07:56anime can really appreciate the work

0:07:58he's done because it is remarkable some

0:08:02of the films are really transcended and

0:08:04once you've seen his work you watch

0:08:06other movies of his I've been doing it

0:08:08winding up you know my research for this

0:08:10episode and you will as with a great

0:08:13director you begin to see his style

0:08:16everywhere it in in his work and his

0:08:19influence and other work which is

0:08:21actually great so you know don't if you

0:08:23haven't seen miyazaki's movies we're

0:08:24going to talk about them but you should

0:08:26see them they're really good

0:08:28yeah and I think that that the the

0:08:29strangest of Japanese culture is kind of

0:08:32a barrier it it's maybe kind of like

0:08:34someone who hasn't read a lot of

0:08:35superhero comics and being able to

0:08:38appreciate the watchman because the

0:08:40watchman is in like a typical superhero

0:08:41comic but it really really helps to have

0:08:43a background in superhero comics to

0:08:46fully appreciated and so you don't get

0:08:47like put off by the things that are

0:08:49weird but that are not weird if you just

0:08:52soaked in superhero comics for four

0:08:54decades

0:08:54alright so something a lot of people i

0:08:56know we'll see Studio Ghibli movie or

0:08:58means

0:08:58documentary any kind of anime and our

0:09:01and can't get past the things they don't

0:09:02understand whether the japanese cultural

0:09:04things and make things are simply

0:09:05different standards and what we think

0:09:07it's appropriate to show two children or

0:09:09how you should be structured they can't

0:09:11get like they're looking at it they're

0:09:13expecting it to be like a Disney movie

0:09:15or even like a Pixar movie and I would

0:09:17say that miyazaki's movies as well see

0:09:19when we discuss them are so far from

0:09:21being like a Disney movie and they're

0:09:23far from being a Pixar movie they do not

0:09:25have any interest in the formula for

0:09:28american western movies for adults or

0:09:31children yeah they are structured

0:09:32differently the characters active and

0:09:34leave things happen there are different

0:09:35and it's sometimes difficult people to

0:09:38get a grip on ethnic and sometimes

0:09:39things happen

0:09:40I mean this is and this is my thought

0:09:42while watching spirited away again

0:09:44was I my wife and I watched that movie

0:09:46and am I turned to her and after this

0:09:48one scene which is something i think it

0:09:51might have been the vomiting it was

0:09:52something was something like that the

0:09:53stink spirit that enters the bathhouse I

0:09:56think it was the stink spirit and

0:09:58everybody's like oh its distinct spirit

0:10:00that it's here in the bathhouse and i

0:10:02turned my wife and I say of course right

0:10:04and and really it's that moment of like

0:10:06going with it just like I'm sure that

0:10:09there's a reason why this makes sense i

0:10:12have no idea what it is

0:10:13we'll just go with it you know and I

0:10:16love that it's kind of there are plot

0:10:18twist that happen in miyazaki movies

0:10:20that are that i love because i cannot

0:10:23anticipate them because all of my

0:10:25programming and as you said all of my

0:10:28Hollywood movie plot point programming

0:10:32fails and its crew actually it's great

0:10:36it's great to go wow I had no idea that

0:10:39would happen and you're completely

0:10:40unbored from what you realize it's kind

0:10:43of track that you've been on your on

0:10:45your honor on on the rails and you're

0:10:48moving through the plot and then with

0:10:50miyazaki realized that that you're not

0:10:52it's not really no there is no track

0:10:55it's a big open greenfield and you're

0:10:56lost in it yeah I i was feel that that

0:10:58Westerners get more of a kick out of

0:11:01miyazaki than even the Japanese because

0:11:03a lot of things that are boring and

0:11:06normal and expected in Japanese culture

0:11:08are exotic and strange to us

0:11:10you're like wow what that how could you

0:11:11come up with that idea and it's some

0:11:12sort of Japanese tradition for 300 years

0:11:14old that everyone in Japan knows about

0:11:16and it's not interesting to their eyes

0:11:17just like you know what I have all their

0:11:20washing the floors by holding little

0:11:21things and running with their little

0:11:22feet behind it like it's an interesting

0:11:24i'm now we came up with that like well

0:11:26couple centuries of Japanese culture

0:11:27brought that about

0:11:29yeah alright so i should be fun we

0:11:31should dive into one of ya so that his

0:11:33his first feature in the in the studio

0:11:35ghibli Cayman is naka of the valley of

0:11:38the wind from 1984 which is a nice post

0:11:44apocalyptic fantasy patrick stewart is

0:11:48the first voice we hear you know you're

0:11:51going to talk about the very act of this

0:11:53we do ya discussion dubbed vs sub well

0:11:56remember a brief moment on this so yes

0:11:58we should you watch the dubbed version

0:12:00of all these I i did I watched dubbed

0:12:03version even though in some cases i had

0:12:05access to the subtitled version i am a

0:12:08i'm a savage and also many of them i

0:12:10watch with my kids and it was really not

0:12:12an option to show that the the subtitle

0:12:14version so the reason most japanese

0:12:17animation fans dislike dub so much is

0:12:20that historically the people doing the

0:12:22dubbing or not talented and not numerous

0:12:26not numbers mean they have like one guy

0:12:29three voices in a movie and because they

0:12:30didn't really care you read the lines

0:12:32try to put something into it whatever we

0:12:34could have done after this we could have

0:12:35reached the voice of another character

0:12:37and had a four-person project

0:12:39yeah I call lots and that for the

0:12:43miyazaki movies though they were

0:12:45acquired by disney and everyone who's an

0:12:48animator worships miyazaki of the

0:12:52current generation of animators and so

0:12:54the deal was structured such that they

0:12:56couldn't touch the frame of the movies

0:12:57is understanding the content frame of

0:12:59the movies right so they couldn't chop

0:13:00it up into little pieces and the dubbing

0:13:03has been done with basically a-list

0:13:04actor so you talk about who who is a

0:13:06wife and pull of this page before I

0:13:08started this but who is voicing

0:13:10not Monica you've got Patrick Stewart

0:13:12that's not bad for a voice

0:13:13uma Thurman tile above isn't it actually

0:13:16chris sarandon from the princess bride

0:13:18is an edward james olmos and of course

0:13:20mark hamill is the mayor

0:13:22yeah its finest Joker from Batman so

0:13:26they're not skimping on the voiceovers a

0:13:28but that the one the one other reason i

0:13:31think most people who are into japanese

0:13:33animation won't admit why they like the

0:13:35listening to the Japanese is a side if

0:13:38they think they like they like learning

0:13:40japanese and it's interesting time for

0:13:41them to learn a foreign language and

0:13:42picking up words and phrases is because

0:13:44when I'm Westerners watch a an animated

0:13:48movie in Japanese they don't know and

0:13:51honestly don't know Japanese they can't

0:13:53tell when the acting is terrible and so

0:13:55they imagine that the acting and the

0:13:59dialogue is much better than it actually

0:14:00is

0:14:01sometimes it is great and is much better

0:14:03in fact almost all the time it is better

0:14:05than the dubs but in the ability to do

0:14:09not it and it's free because you're like

0:14:11well that the line could have been

0:14:13delivered terribly but i don't know what

0:14:14the worst words just me so I have to

0:14:16read the subtitles and then you're at

0:14:17the mercy of the person doing the

0:14:18subtitling which is also an issue right

0:14:20and the second reason is that when

0:14:21they've doubled it into English they

0:14:24tend to add stuff almost never remove

0:14:27the ad stuff and if you should try this

0:14:29experiment for a couple sections of the

0:14:30movie they will add usually expository

0:14:33dialogue that does not exist in the

0:14:34movie often when no characters on screen

0:14:36because they can't match it up with

0:14:37mouth movements because there's no no

0:14:39audio here at all and they're putting

0:14:41the exposition in there to try to

0:14:43explain to American audiences what the

0:14:45heck is going on something they wouldn't

0:14:46have to explain to Japanese audiences

0:14:48like oh this is the temple of whatever

0:14:50or this is where the spirits that were

0:14:51you know something that's like obvious

0:14:53to anyone in Japan and that kind of

0:14:56exposition is extremely grading to

0:14:58people who are you know it imagine they

0:15:00took your favorite movie just added a

0:15:02bunch of texts nothing worse than and

0:15:03expositions like it's okay just stop

0:15:05stop talking we know what this is and

0:15:06for someone who watches a lot of

0:15:08animation room Japan we know this stuff

0:15:10to we don't want those extra lines at

0:15:12its all these movies are filled with

0:15:13every all the ones that you watching the

0:15:15dubs and these are the some of the best

0:15:16dubs available anywhere good acting good

0:15:18effort generally an effort to be true to

0:15:21the spirit of the original lines and not

0:15:23a direct translation but anime nerds

0:15:26tend to like subtitles literal

0:15:27translations know adding of any words

0:15:29see I think that's a that's a high bar

0:15:31for for watching us that as a you know

0:15:34and and normally I would I mean I would

0:15:35always choose a in a live-action movie i

0:15:38would always choose the the subtitles

0:15:39over a dub I i feel like with with

0:15:43animation sense there is there's a

0:15:46degree of matching of the dialogue but

0:15:48you know it isn't it isn't an actor who

0:15:50spoke those lines at that time or or is

0:15:52looping their lines exactly it is you

0:15:55know an animation track that's recorded

0:15:57and then the air the audio track and

0:15:59then the animation happens so it's a

0:16:01little bit artificial so I feel like

0:16:03it's not that far removed as a as

0:16:06somebody who is not well versed in this

0:16:07stuff having those little bits of

0:16:09exposition probably helped me understand

0:16:11it and also i have to admit the miyazaki

0:16:13movies have have generally good dub

0:16:17tracks right like you said with with

0:16:20good actors and I i would rather watch

0:16:23the you know watch the animation then be

0:16:26distracted by having to stop looking at

0:16:29what's happening on screen in order to

0:16:30read and go back and forth that said i

0:16:33will probably go back and watch these

0:16:35movies it with the subtitles but as a

0:16:37first watch I really wanted to just have

0:16:39the experience of watching them and and

0:16:41not have to read the subtitles to go

0:16:44along with it but and if you and if you

0:16:45see these things enough times I think

0:16:47you'll be shocked to see

0:16:48wait isn't a dialogue during this

0:16:49section that's long sections long

0:16:52sections where there is no dialogue at

0:16:53all and it's so weird because very

0:16:55rarely in live-action like if you see a

0:16:57foreign live-action movie

0:16:58very rarely do they insert a bunch of

0:17:01English dialogue where there was no no

0:17:03lines at all from the actress because

0:17:05they happen to be off-screen huh

0:17:07interested and it's not eat they do a

0:17:10good job in these movies but large

0:17:12sections of the movies there is no one

0:17:13talking about anything and they just the

0:17:15plot advances by them showing pictures

0:17:16on the screen so when Master yuba

0:17:18emerges from the from the the horrible

0:17:22plague and we hear that he's patrick

0:17:25stewart or in your version great

0:17:27japanese actor Goro nya but I guess

0:17:30thank you wikipedia uh-huh

0:17:32anyway so that we should we should get

0:17:35on with with not

0:17:36which is I was surprised by it is this

0:17:39apocalyptic adventure story with what is

0:17:44that there's this there's this the toxic

0:17:47jungle the sea of decay that is

0:17:48destroying everything we're in like the

0:17:50far future and there's the apocalypse

0:17:52and and there's a princess of course

0:17:55who's like a fighter princess and I i

0:17:59was surprised by this movie I was my

0:18:01wife and i watch this without the kids

0:18:04it was a it's a it's it's really a crazy

0:18:08action movie more than anything else is

0:18:10not yet and and think consider this out

0:18:12you're saying this is his first movie I

0:18:13don't know about his history to say

0:18:14whether his first tooth he did movies

0:18:16before I think studio ghibli was formed

0:18:17proper I think they called consider this

0:18:19the first in the cannon right and and it

0:18:22really is like especially for someone

0:18:24who had seen kiki's delivery service in

0:18:26total it's not gonna watch a miyazaki

0:18:27movie probably weren't expecting like at

0:18:31a blockbuster action movie structured

0:18:35pretty conventionally from from the you

0:18:37know looking at the whole of his work

0:18:40you know it's it is like an action movie

0:18:43like where is this coming from is this

0:18:44and this is not like he eventually

0:18:46developed into making these big giant

0:18:48action movies not right out of the gate

0:18:49like it you know with his first official

0:18:51studio ghibli movie it is it you can

0:18:55imagine this as a Hollywood movie only

0:18:57of course you wouldn't have a female

0:18:58protagonist and the the plot would be

0:19:01different but like this threat this this

0:19:03post-apocalyptic world this giant

0:19:05insects there's battles there's Army's

0:19:07all that stuff like where is this the

0:19:10guy who made totoro the big floating

0:19:12teddy bear thing it's not the same got

0:19:13up at the end of the reason I wanted you

0:19:15to see this and a couple other ones too

0:19:17is that in many respects when I look at

0:19:20his work it seems like he's really made

0:19:23this exact same movie several time that

0:19:24without without with minor variations i

0:19:27think just a little bit that you've

0:19:28watched you can kinda see that in it

0:19:30ok it is and it is a different thread of

0:19:32his work he makes these movies that are

0:19:34smaller and quieter and quote unquote

0:19:36for kids

0:19:37this one was like four teenagers and not

0:19:40quite a lot smaller explosions there's

0:19:42guns there's blood this gut says

0:19:43everything

0:19:44yeah it's um it it reminded me you're

0:19:48right it was very different from the

0:19:49movies

0:19:50his that I had seen before it didn't put

0:19:53me in the mind of the you know extremely

0:19:56limited other kinds of Japanese

0:19:58animation that I've seen that were more

0:20:01of the action variety and I and I

0:20:03started to theorize as I was watching it

0:20:05you know maybe this is director who kind

0:20:08of went in the other direction a little

0:20:09bits and sort of like started with

0:20:11things that were more the usual subject

0:20:14matter and then you know and then kind

0:20:16of rebelled and did things that were

0:20:17very very different from these kind of

0:20:19sci-fi adventure stories but uh you know

0:20:23it was fun it was a lot of fun I mean

0:20:25there's the the the princess and she's

0:20:27got her she's got her like little flying

0:20:30machine right wing yeah yeah which is

0:20:32pretty cool and there's create the crazy

0:20:34giant bugs though move that that just

0:20:37kind of like they go on a rampage and

0:20:39made you know III they they come out of

0:20:43the out of the the jungle and they just

0:20:46keep running until you i guess like

0:20:48soothe them in some so I so I could be

0:20:51soothed admit they're ok strange even

0:20:54the subject matter see though it seems

0:20:56like to you that it is very similar to

0:20:58the typical anime subject matter

0:21:00post-apocalyptic world we are weird

0:21:02creature is fighting he treats me

0:21:05Rockies all of his movies are there's a

0:21:07definite flavor to them two totally

0:21:09separate them in my mind away from other

0:21:11anime and similar subject matter you can

0:21:13tell the second just just the way he

0:21:14treats the story and the characters and

0:21:16and how it's all built on us now but I

0:21:18don't think I'm spoiling anything for

0:21:20anyone who's an adult is going to watch

0:21:21this movie but like that and this this

0:21:23is a sequence you see many other things

0:21:25where there's an introduction to the

0:21:26world and then there's a credit sequence

0:21:28and I love his beautiful credit

0:21:29sequences where they will usually

0:21:31through still images or murals or

0:21:35whatever

0:21:36show some sort of like and here's the

0:21:38world you're entering into and as you

0:21:39know the credits roll over this musical

0:21:41score and it says like here's this world

0:21:42there was a world and then this these

0:21:45big Giants came along who have heads the

0:21:48top of which shaped like ballistic

0:21:49missiles hint hint everybody

0:21:51yeah and then the world ends and then

0:21:54you know that there's just these legends

0:21:57that you know that really show that

0:21:58being able to get that is a thing that

0:22:00he loves to do and it is pretty

0:22:01effective

0:22:02and that's kind of like your

0:22:05introduction to this world in any the

0:22:06entire movie is kind of a lot of his

0:22:09movies are like this i have a pretty

0:22:10simple message but they're delivered in

0:22:12a way that smuggles that message and

0:22:15much better than say like Wally like a

0:22:16you we should really put the earth like

0:22:18this one is basically hey we should

0:22:20really put the earth and we shouldn't

0:22:22kill each other with nuclear weapons

0:22:22beautiful poison yours for generations

0:22:24in order but as well as a younger kid

0:22:27when I first saw this I was fascinated

0:22:29by the sci-fi story like wow that would

0:22:31be like if the earth was totally

0:22:33wearable totally destroyed it was like

0:22:342,000 years after that reason but you

0:22:36know some people are still around how

0:22:38would they live it we like medieval it

0:22:39was kind of like or where they have

0:22:41technology and what kind of creatures

0:22:44would be prowling around within this

0:22:45world but they do have this you know

0:22:47flying message about can't we all just

0:22:51get along and don't poison the earth and

0:22:52don't be mean to the bugs and stuff like

0:22:54that but these characters and and the

0:22:57way they live and relate to each other

0:22:58in particular the way the protagonist

0:23:01like her path through the story is very

0:23:03very unlike anything in western movies

0:23:06like when you have a princess and a

0:23:07western movie she does not follow the

0:23:10plot arc this character follows in this

0:23:13movie

0:23:13definitely not this is the male lead

0:23:15role she's a hero

0:23:17she fights things she saves people but

0:23:19she does it in a way that's not male

0:23:20testosterone or whatever she's like

0:23:22she's like a pacifist hero like if we

0:23:24ever talk about return of the jedi we

0:23:26can discuss loser after all that she

0:23:28wants to go she finds the baby right she

0:23:30saves the babydome yeah that's like

0:23:31she's defending and she's helping the

0:23:33terrorists home baby yeah yeah and you

0:23:36know and cheap she fights but she also

0:23:38has you know typically stereotypical

0:23:40female sensibilities like I don't kill

0:23:42the baby bug you know and it this this

0:23:45also will talk about the other movies

0:23:46who is the enemy in this movie who is

0:23:48the antagonist

0:23:49well isn't the i mean it's like the the

0:23:52people with the guns right

0:23:54basically it's legal it's the soldiers

0:23:56in the government

0:23:57yeah it's not the Bugs know but they're

0:24:00things that kill everybody or whatever

0:24:02it's the people fighting each other but

0:24:03every person who's fighting each other

0:24:05for the most part is given a legitimate

0:24:07motivation for doing so who's who's the

0:24:10real enemy hear that though the woman

0:24:11who was horribly mangled by the insect

0:24:13you

0:24:14clearly understand her motivation she's

0:24:15not a cartoon the the the Sioux City's

0:24:18their warring with each other and let

0:24:19the bugs over on their own city so they

0:24:21can get the enemy there you know what

0:24:23everyone has some yeah but you can

0:24:24easily we're doing

0:24:25you definitely read it is the people in

0:24:26the valley are are being invaded by

0:24:29these more militaristic people who don't

0:24:32you know who don't get it and that's the

0:24:33kind of we like why can't we just get

0:24:35along and they're the ones who you know

0:24:37the bugs do a lot of damage but the bugs

0:24:39are kinda egged on by these by the kind

0:24:42of militaristic people who invade the

0:24:44little peaceful peaceful valley that's

0:24:46trying to just get along and survive and

0:24:48and and they lose their innocence when

0:24:51the giant flying airship thing crashes

0:24:54and and no you see it you see another

0:24:57princess the other princesses briefly on

0:24:59screen what happens to the princess you

0:25:01see here briefly she's in Chains and use

0:25:04you have you see the main character see

0:25:06that she's so badly injured that she's

0:25:07going to die and then she dies

0:25:08yeah not quite the same type of screen

0:25:11treatment that princess to get in disney

0:25:13movies no no said you liked this one how

0:25:16do you rate this one at this is this was

0:25:18the first miyazaki movie I saw I saw it

0:25:21when I was very young and I made a huge

0:25:23impact on me even after all the anime

0:25:25I'd seen I I didn't know enough about

0:25:27anything really because there was no

0:25:29internet to know what why I like

0:25:33japanese animation so much but i but I

0:25:35could pick out that among japanese

0:25:37animation this one was different i had

0:25:39no idea who made it or what it was or

0:25:40anything like that i'm like there's

0:25:42something different about this one and

0:25:43that sensibility I just grabbed onto now

0:25:46in his cannon it's not one of my

0:25:48favorite favorite movies but there are

0:25:50certain aspects of that I really loved

0:25:52by a lot of my love anime acid was

0:25:54visual design and character design i

0:25:56really loved the world that He has

0:25:57created there i love the bugs I love the

0:25:59wing yeah that that whole that the way

0:26:01the airplanes look that stuff goes a

0:26:03long way from me just the art and the

0:26:05imagining of this place and the plot is

0:26:08one of his more conventional plots at

0:26:10that he's repeats many different times

0:26:12but i still enjoy it and it's and it's

0:26:15for some reason I had no problem showing

0:26:17this movie to my fairly young kids even

0:26:20though it's filled with blood and things

0:26:21dying stuff because I think all the

0:26:23violence in this movie is handled in a

0:26:26way that I think it should be handled

0:26:27you know like it's not it's not

0:26:29glorified it's not gratuitous there are

0:26:31consequences for all of it and the main

0:26:35character is against it basically right

0:26:38so we should move on to castle in the

0:26:41sky which is next

0:26:44chronologically yeah 1986 also referred

0:26:52to as at what a la la puta por la ayude

0:26:57they pronounce it differently than you

0:26:59would actually pronounce it and because

0:27:00it's I think it's a reference to

0:27:01Jonathan Swift yes but then that means

0:27:05something really bad and in Spanish

0:27:07which is jonathan swift intended but i'm

0:27:10not sure

0:27:11nice ahi this is the reverse this is

0:27:14Western culture get him getting put

0:27:16through the grinder then coming back

0:27:17it's like a game of telephone yeah it's

0:27:19wacky but just a mean castle mr. i

0:27:22really liked this 1i I like this a lot

0:27:24this is this is a and this one is stuck

0:27:26with me longer actually then then the

0:27:29nautica did the you know the the the

0:27:32there's a while plus there's like

0:27:34Zeppelin's right that's true well if you

0:27:36think of the opening this movie this is

0:27:38nausea go alright take to know it opens

0:27:41with the action scene that is a credit

0:27:43sequence with music showing a bunch of

0:27:44images explaining that how the world got

0:27:47to the state you're going to see it and

0:27:48then there's this big adventure and you

0:27:50know it is very much an adventure movie

0:27:52an action movie I and very different

0:27:57than the typical kids movies i gave

0:28:00think of all the things that happened to

0:28:01these kids first of all this the the

0:28:03main character parts who it was

0:28:05he's living on his own he has no parents

0:28:07but that's not that's not a big deal

0:28:09it's like yeah of course he's just like

0:28:10he's got a job yeah he's working there

0:28:14is a princess type character who is more

0:28:15of the typical princess type thing but

0:28:16one of my favorite that one of the

0:28:18things that sticks with in this movie on

0:28:19my favorite part is that in the very

0:28:21opening you have what's the girl's name

0:28:24actually remember

0:28:25yeah she that is a escaping from these

0:28:27people who look like a fairy's

0:28:29government people whatever inches on the

0:28:30outside of this thing i think was an

0:28:31airship wasn't it yes well it's yeah

0:28:33it's an airship alright and she's and

0:28:35they're trying to get her whatever and

0:28:37chief she slips and falls supposed to

0:28:39presumably to read it properly

0:28:41your death then they roll the credits

0:28:42and the credits show you know that

0:28:44people made this technology that made

0:28:45these floating things makes loads than

0:28:46all the Crashdown the people came out

0:28:48and they're back to being farmers right

0:28:50so after that Christ sequences first of

0:28:52all the shocking thing of like here's

0:28:53our princess girl very important

0:28:55she's falling to her death that's how

0:28:56you open a kids movie right and and we

0:28:59haven't been introduced any characters

0:29:00that are going to swoop in and save her

0:29:02halfway there is no like Superman it's

0:29:03not a Superman movie there's no

0:29:05assumption that she's going to live

0:29:06after the credits over what did they cut

0:29:08back to the girl she's still falling

0:29:10just in case you're wondering if he's

0:29:11unconscious she's falling to her death

0:29:12let's follow her now with the camera as

0:29:14she falls through death which is

0:29:15unbelievably audacious I think too i

0:29:18mean even an action movie you wouldn't

0:29:20roll the credits and then now in

0:29:22progress we just we don't want her to

0:29:24die off camera even in what is that

0:29:25movie The Good Shepherd where they throw

0:29:27the woman out of the plane with her

0:29:29bride bridal soon on sorry if I spoiled

0:29:30that for anybody

0:29:32they don't show her falling like that

0:29:34you see her from the plane audio soon

0:29:36well she's going to Dinah they cut back

0:29:38to and the girls still falling to her

0:29:39death and she's unconscious and she's

0:29:41going headfirst and here she is

0:29:42and of course you know she doesn't

0:29:43actually died but house is how the rest

0:29:45of the week was out that's an amazing

0:29:46amazing sequence that I could never

0:29:49imagine a Western director doing the

0:29:51rest of the movie much more conventional

0:29:53except for perhaps if you watch the

0:29:55original you know if you watch the

0:29:57japanese version of how the the pirate

0:30:00mother isn't everything that all sorts

0:30:02of inappropriate strange maybe it was

0:30:03also because it was the eighties non-pc

0:30:06interactions of that group of pirates

0:30:08that's what I i read i'm on wikipedia

0:30:10although what I wanted to say is there's

0:30:12actually something else very funny that

0:30:13happens in the opening of castle in the

0:30:15sky which is that you've got the pirate

0:30:18it's a pirate attack on the airship and

0:30:21you think the Pirates are bad except

0:30:23she's actually being held captive it

0:30:27turns out by the people who are on the

0:30:30airship she doesn't like them either but

0:30:33your setup to feel like you this pirate

0:30:35attack and they're trying to grab her

0:30:36her her jewel and then she falls to her

0:30:40death and you're thinking those pirates

0:30:41are bad was about those are bad pirates

0:30:43are bad guys which is totally not true

0:30:46well is it then don't they never have

0:30:48the scene where it's like okay I return

0:30:50ice got like the Pirates still have

0:30:51their mercenary motivation hallway

0:30:53through their true

0:30:54themselves that there isn't but their

0:30:55honor when pirates yeah kind of

0:30:58honorable but also kind of shady and not

0:31:00really fuzzy and kind of like all sharks

0:31:02we all love you pirates you know it's

0:31:04clear who's on different teams and the

0:31:07government guys is the most people can

0:31:08surprise you want to take over the world

0:31:09with this super powerful weapon or

0:31:11whatever but you know no one is is

0:31:15they're not bending over backwards to

0:31:16make anyone cuddly right now the leader

0:31:18of the Pirates is still graph the whole

0:31:20way through and pods and innocent little

0:31:23boy he is the whole way through yeah

0:31:24this is this is very not a lot of

0:31:26character development this movie much

0:31:28more of an action rollercoaster I think

0:31:30now it goes a stronger movie just

0:31:32because there are character arcs and

0:31:34people you know do it's the how they are

0:31:38starting the movie the things they

0:31:39thought they were capable of doing

0:31:41by the end of the movie they've grown

0:31:43whereas in this movie know they kind of

0:31:45going and eventually discover

0:31:46interesting things and and eventually

0:31:48tried to help of others but it but it's

0:31:50a great adventure though but you're

0:31:51right as much of a story of a character

0:31:53arc i love the robot in your robot

0:31:56orgasm is too that's again the character

0:31:58design and just the way you know because

0:32:00that's that

0:32:01that is some amazing stuff there is just

0:32:03sort of this mournful incredibly

0:32:05powerful strange-looking thing my kids

0:32:07were very affected by the fact when we

0:32:09meet the first robot which is there to

0:32:10protect her and it does protect her and

0:32:12it dies it's destroyed

0:32:14although it is it guys several times

0:32:16because it keeps coming back to life and

0:32:18getting destroyed even more brutally

0:32:21until it's finally completely destroyed

0:32:22and I am my son was very sad that the

0:32:25robot died because the no I like that

0:32:27robot and is very he was very sad when

0:32:29the robot that fortunately they made

0:32:30many more of that terrible

0:32:32that's the thing with robots into my

0:32:34daughter for the lot was very effective

0:32:35but it probably showed this movie to her

0:32:37when she was too young but she for the

0:32:38longest time called this the robot movie

0:32:40that was the new school shoes concern i

0:32:42can see that room wanna see the robot

0:32:44movie what we talked about these movies

0:32:45with my kids and I were watching ponyo

0:32:48and and my son made reference to the one

0:32:51with a robot so it is just like every

0:32:54featured in this movie like it's not

0:32:56it's not in many seasons are no but it's

0:32:58such a great-looking character and of

0:33:01course it behaves honorably and is is

0:33:03it's very heroic and trying to protect

0:33:05the other characters

0:33:07from preserve the monarch yeah clapping

0:33:10a class system is accepted and it's

0:33:12moving don't know royalty

0:33:14he's like yes he's the he's the

0:33:15protector of the of the royalty of the

0:33:17of the floating city but I i love the

0:33:20yeah I love that robot look really great

0:33:23great-looking robot and I don't know I

0:33:25assume that it was an least partly an

0:33:29inspiration for the iron giant it may

0:33:32seem to have something in common i know

0:33:33that there was a book about the the book

0:33:35that the Iron Giant is based on was done

0:33:37in the sixties and I don't know if

0:33:39there's any relationship there but but

0:33:41when i see that with a robot and castle

0:33:42in the sky I that's immediately / god is

0:33:45that was very iron giant it's gotta be I

0:33:49mean he was not intentional just it's in

0:33:50it's in the water for the the animators

0:33:52of this generation

0:33:53yeah just did you felt like a very

0:33:55similar kind of really cool apparently

0:33:57on the the roof of the studio ghibli

0:34:00museum or whatever it is

0:34:02in Japan there say there's one of these

0:34:04guys is a robot now it's not protected

0:34:07yeah that's good big brother on the roof

0:34:09but it but I like this i have I thought

0:34:12it was a lot of fun it's just a really

0:34:13fun adventure and and I thought pretty

0:34:16well paced I didn't feel like it it had

0:34:20dragged at the end or anything I mean

0:34:21they got this crazy adventure inside the

0:34:23floating city where we just at one point

0:34:26is like falling apart and you know

0:34:28there's all this high-flying action

0:34:30because they've got you know it's all

0:34:32happening in the air and their the

0:34:33various airships and and although you're

0:34:36right i mean we have five flying action

0:34:38in Nazca to yeah i think this movie

0:34:42could wait forever Western director or

0:34:44studio did this they would have

0:34:44tightened it up there's a lot of like

0:34:46it's just gloriously flabby just

0:34:48everything is everyone gonna have a

0:34:49train scene we're gonna have this fight

0:34:51we're gonna have people you know chasing

0:34:53each other through kathy had a robot is

0:34:54destroying we're going you know

0:34:55yeah it's how much that they're like all

0:34:57right could we tighten this up maybe

0:34:59have an ARCA story here is really the

0:35:00story of like discovery of this the

0:35:03castle in the sky and her favorite

0:35:04people going after the jewel but there's

0:35:06just so much like we can do everything

0:35:07to do yet stupid a scene with the tree

0:35:10which is a great the train stuff is

0:35:11great but you're right it's like okay

0:35:13it's everything I didn't actually mean

0:35:15yeah that this movie I don't know it

0:35:19should have been tightened up but it

0:35:20would

0:35:21been tightened up I think it came out of

0:35:22Westminster but here you know they just

0:35:25said this is what he wants we're going

0:35:26to go with it and it's just kind of a a

0:35:27a giant fun ride

0:35:30well let's let's move onto 1988 and I

0:35:34the movie that i assume is it's got to

0:35:38be the most famous and most loved of his

0:35:41movies which is my neighbor totoro among

0:35:45Westerners maybe yeah wasn't this i

0:35:48thought this was like one of the biggest

0:35:49grossing movies involving all those 10

0:35:52came out it was the biggest grossing

0:35:54movie spirited away came out it was the

0:35:55reason your hand alright so i think

0:35:57there's generally blood in Japan but

0:35:58yeah because it has something you can

0:36:00make into a stuffed animal i think yes

0:36:01it is under there are many totoro

0:36:04stuffed animals so my neighbor totoro is

0:36:08one of those two movies that I that I'm

0:36:09i mentioned earlier that I that I just

0:36:12love of his and one of the things i love

0:36:17about this movie and kiki's delivery

0:36:18service which we can talk about in a

0:36:21little bit because that's the next one

0:36:22up one of the things I love about these

0:36:25movies is that you've talked about ways

0:36:28that you wouldn't structure something if

0:36:29you were making a western movie for

0:36:31being a hollywood movie who is the

0:36:34antagonist in my I would go from 0 to

0:36:40what is the plot of this movie

0:36:41what is the plot of the plot of this

0:36:43movie is that girls have moved into a

0:36:45house because and their mother is sick

0:36:48and a hospital and their dad has to

0:36:53commute and they feel lonely and they

0:36:55want their mother to come home which is

0:36:58it about a plot like it to imagine if

0:37:00you have to write like the two sentence

0:37:01thing that used to fit in like the TV

0:37:02listings and taking yakety want to get

0:37:04out of the three sentences

0:37:05what's the three sentences or two

0:37:07sentences for total you can't do it

0:37:08you're like a giant creature be friends

0:37:10and like that's not what it's about yeah

0:37:11like you can't there's nothing you could

0:37:13write for this and that

0:37:15that's what what's so wonderful about

0:37:16this movie yeah I it

0:37:19totoro is probably it's it's close we

0:37:23can keep toner which is my favorite

0:37:25miyazaki movie which is probably

0:37:27surprising to someone who looks at the

0:37:28camera like Shirley like two big action

0:37:30movies or princess mononoke or which is

0:37:32like the fifth attempt to redo nas ago

0:37:34you know it says it happened it's not

0:37:36these movies

0:37:38ya have someting those other ones don't

0:37:39because that they everything maybe it's

0:37:42common in Japanese stuff i don't know

0:37:43enough about culture this is common but

0:37:44what what this movie is about when kids

0:37:47watching what it's about is a big fuzzy

0:37:48magic creature

0:37:49yes that does hilarious things that's

0:37:50crazy cat buses even kids recognize this

0:37:53is nuts right and it's just it's wacky

0:37:55everything that some wacky think it's

0:37:57like a Looney Tunes cartoon like they're

0:37:59in the house you're looking around these

0:38:00weird things in the house is something

0:38:02in the forest they have a bath it's

0:38:03windy outside what you know what

0:38:05but the kids are like poop you know that

0:38:07if you show this to most adults are

0:38:10teens are like what the house is some

0:38:11sort of Stuart stupid kids me or

0:38:13whatever but if you watch it and it like

0:38:16it connects with you which is definitely

0:38:17connected with me and you think about

0:38:18what the movie is actually about you

0:38:20I think that obviously connected with

0:38:21you because you were getting closer to

0:38:22like this movie is about kids who have a

0:38:26sick mother

0:38:26yes right no the antagonist in this

0:38:29movie is their mother's illness that's

0:38:31really yet but they do not like a no

0:38:34point did they say like it's not if you

0:38:37made a movie about kids have a second

0:38:38mother first you'd never make that movie

0:38:39I don't like a Disney types that you

0:38:40never get kids more like the whole point

0:38:42of the movies like live-action my mother

0:38:44is sick i'm sad and we've just been

0:38:46talking about how your mother is sick

0:38:48and you're upset but that's not how

0:38:49children work they don't relate to their

0:38:52feelings or things that are especially

0:38:54kids this age movie you know they don't

0:38:56relate to their situation in life in the

0:38:58way they would like it now a very

0:38:59special movie or 10 mins mother is so

0:39:01good at talking to tell me about they

0:39:03relate to it in a very very different

0:39:05way and this is something i get into

0:39:06with adults who watch this movie they

0:39:08say so what is like what is going on

0:39:12here and that is the real world or is

0:39:14totoro like magic why doesn't total help

0:39:17make their their mother better as total

0:39:19really there or is he just in the kids

0:39:21imagination at and like how do I like if

0:39:26the kids are just kids imagination has

0:39:27total help them find the kit but they it

0:39:30blows their mind but this is a perfect

0:39:32representation of the world the kids

0:39:33inhabit because the stress of having a

0:39:35sick mother and that like it manifests

0:39:39in children in very strange ways and

0:39:41it's not talked about it is not

0:39:43intellectualized and sort of discussed

0:39:46as a thing

0:39:47they go through their life hopefully

0:39:49with a loving parent which they have in

0:39:50this movie and this stuff just finds its

0:39:53way out in two different places with

0:39:55Toto sometimes scary but also sometimes

0:39:58comforting and sometimes helps them you

0:39:59know it get over things and and in the

0:40:01end with me running off try to go to her

0:40:04mother and getting lost that as a real

0:40:06things happen in the real world which by

0:40:07the way that's one of my favorite scenes

0:40:08from the movie that they're looking for

0:40:11majors a what if you like three in the

0:40:12movie or something she's lost and there

0:40:14are people in the rice paddy things with

0:40:17sticks waving the sticks around you

0:40:19don't find live children with sticks in

0:40:22water you know that's not what they and

0:40:24they find that they find a shoe and they

0:40:25think it might be hers and they think

0:40:26that she's drowned

0:40:28yeah and and this is that the plot of

0:40:29the movie girls second they find her

0:40:31know this is just these children's life

0:40:33it during a period of uncertainty about

0:40:35something that should be certain and

0:40:37everything you see the happen whether

0:40:40you decide that it's a real or it's not

0:40:41real is if you know this is this is what

0:40:44it's like to be a kid with the sick

0:40:45mother and it's really strange to say

0:40:48that a movie about what it's like to be

0:40:49good with the second mother has to

0:40:50involve giant magical fuzzy creatures

0:40:52and floating things and cat buses and

0:40:53but it really it really should it really

0:40:55does let mixture of be you know it's the

0:40:58it's the it's a fairytale on one level

0:41:00and kids are the ones who we tell fairy

0:41:04tales 2 i'm on another level it's I mean

0:41:06really the plot of this movie is that

0:41:10these girls lives change that because

0:41:12their mother is sick they have to move

0:41:13out to the country and their dad has to

0:41:15be a way because he has to take the bus

0:41:18to the University and it's a long way

0:41:22off and so they have to have a new house

0:41:23and they have a new school and they have

0:41:26this big tree outside their window the

0:41:28very things out there and yeah it's kind

0:41:32of scary but kind of fun at the same

0:41:33time like it you everything warning if

0:41:36you can connect to your own childhood

0:41:37memories are feelings you have from back

0:41:39and this is kind of what it's like

0:41:40they're everything is kind of scary and

0:41:42kind of fun and kind of uncertainty and

0:41:43nothing makes sense to you and you don't

0:41:45know why things are happening and then

0:41:46your melody of magic right and you're on

0:41:48your imagination blends with reality in

0:41:51the seamless like this like it's a

0:41:53continuum it's not like well here's the

0:41:54real world news imagination it's all

0:41:56it's all one thing well I said it's such

0:41:59a charming movie I mean it

0:42:01is and it's not just the cute fuzzy

0:42:03creatures although they are incredibly

0:42:06cute and incredibly fuzzy but but it you

0:42:10know the dad is a great character and

0:42:12he's being you can see in his scenes

0:42:15that he's being he's obviously troubled

0:42:18about his and his wife sickness but he's

0:42:19being as good a father as he can be

0:42:21and.and but he's struggling because he's

0:42:23also got a got a commute night when that

0:42:25the opening scenes when they're opening

0:42:27up the house for the first time in the

0:42:28girls are exploring and he's encouraging

0:42:30of them and and yet it's also it's also

0:42:33all very funny because you can see that

0:42:35he's got a dry sense of humor and they

0:42:37don't necessarily get that he's being

0:42:38funny but he's actually being really

0:42:40funny and then there's the little boy

0:42:42who is seems standoffish but is actually

0:42:45it's actually adorable and and be the

0:42:49scenes with the little boy in the

0:42:50umbrella stand for for people who don't

0:42:53have kids too i'm at i guess they might

0:42:55think that the good little boys a good

0:42:57example that uh that he doesn't act like

0:43:00little boys act in typical movies if you

0:43:02had a neighbor boy was like spunky but

0:43:03really was you know like the girl or

0:43:05whatever like the people write dialogue

0:43:07for kids as if there if not adults that

0:43:09at least like preteens or something

0:43:11this boy that sees the girl who was

0:43:15caught in a rainstorm watched offers

0:43:16umbrella as a scowl on his face James

0:43:19the umbrella of a single huh huh I'm

0:43:22just make grunting noises you're like oh

0:43:23come on what kind of kid make if you

0:43:25have a boy that age

0:43:27this is the epitome of communication for

0:43:29them because they don't know how do they

0:43:30don't they don't they're not going to

0:43:31chat up the they don't have a way to

0:43:34express this at all and so you see this

0:43:35grumpy boy jamming this thing in her and

0:43:37then he runs off with a smile on his

0:43:38face

0:43:39that's what kids that age do they're not

0:43:41adults and and also like so that happens

0:43:43but that's not the point of the movie

0:43:45it's not a love story between his two

0:43:47little kids they're just little kids

0:43:48leaving their lives in the way the

0:43:49little kids do that one precocious kid

0:43:51in the movie

0:43:52Watsky who is kind of our you know here

0:43:55or whatever sure even even she has the

0:43:57moment of like you know there is one of

0:43:58my favorite things than we were

0:43:59she's looking for her little sister and

0:44:01the sun is setting which they indicate

0:44:04just with a little bit of you know

0:44:05changing the lighting of everything

0:44:07nobody exposition about we must find her

0:44:09before dark because if the darkness

0:44:10comes in but no she's she's running her

0:44:13feet are dirty she takes over

0:44:14shoes and she's panicked find your

0:44:16sister and they don't know where she's

0:44:17anywhere at that point your panic too

0:44:19right yeah if you're if you're invested

0:44:20in the movie I every every part of this

0:44:24movie I just connects with me if it

0:44:26doesn't connect with you it might seem

0:44:27like we're talking nonsense you're gonna

0:44:28watch this movie and say this is this

0:44:30movie they love if it connects with you

0:44:32what we did say up front that that

0:44:35nothing happens and over at least it has

0:44:37no plot to speak of and there's not

0:44:39really any conflict and it's just sort

0:44:41of a story about some girls whose mom

0:44:44attic and they're learning about where

0:44:46they live and also there are some

0:44:47magical creatures who are adorable and

0:44:49that give an umbrella to one of them so

0:44:53what do you choose to blow actually two

0:44:55things that's before I get that what you

0:44:56choose on but this is one of the things

0:44:59where the dub i think make some jokes

0:45:01that I'm glad they they change from the

0:45:05original or whatever like the voice

0:45:06acting with us and everything looks a

0:45:08little global picture of like a maze

0:45:11doing whatever it's making her crabby

0:45:13here's a picture of me as a crab

0:45:14oh yeah Michael lines like that they

0:45:16crack me up or or the one she was creepy

0:45:19that's kind of you know those are jokes

0:45:21made in in the dub that either are

0:45:24written differently or land differently

0:45:26in the subtitle versions and since I've

0:45:28seen the double design times because I

0:45:29kids can't read subtitles or couldn't

0:45:30when they were watching this I like most

0:45:34access to this dub even though some of

0:45:35the voices are grading and some of the

0:45:37things they do or a little bit you know

0:45:38weird i don't want to ask is what is

0:45:41your take on the on the movie is what

0:45:44happens in the movies total a real

0:45:45distro take them to see their mother

0:45:48Oh or is he entirely a figment of your

0:45:50imagination well i think i think it's in

0:45:54this this is intentionally left it is it

0:45:57is i'm just asking lat where are you

0:45:59well i mean i think that's the beauty of

0:46:00I mean I i guess i would argue that if

0:46:02that in the end when they'll win the the

0:46:06messages left for on the windowsill for

0:46:09their mom that they couldn't have gotten

0:46:11there by any other means and so

0:46:13therefore total really took them there

0:46:15if you really are looking for any

0:46:17evidence but in the end it doesn't

0:46:19really matter right it's just like the

0:46:20way that the scene where they have a

0:46:21giant tree grows out in the backyard

0:46:23because it's just enormous in the

0:46:25backyard and and they wake up the net

0:46:28extend their dad is sitting there the

0:46:29whole time and he doesn't notice

0:46:30anything and they wake up the next day

0:46:32and it's gone and you think haha see

0:46:34nothing really happened but the things

0:46:36they planted sprout over threat so you

0:46:39know was it something maybe did happen

0:46:42it just wasn't the big thing that they

0:46:44that we saw that you know or that was

0:46:47all that in the end was left after after

0:46:50this kind of dream that they that they

0:46:53all had or the solution or whatever it

0:46:55was or magic with with totoro but you

0:46:57know in the end does it doesn't matter

0:46:59but the fact that they you know that

0:47:01they left a little a little message for

0:47:03their mom on the windowsill how else

0:47:05would have gotten there yet the Western

0:47:08audiences always wanted always wanted to

0:47:09have included in different you know it

0:47:11doesn't matter i also want to say I have

0:47:13beautiful this movie is that pit the the

0:47:14just the pictures of the Japanese

0:47:16countryside it is i love i love it just

0:47:20for that it now looks so good and like

0:47:24the house like it's exotic to us because

0:47:25we don't know what Japanese right tubs

0:47:27look like from whatever year this was

0:47:29supposed to look like and just get their

0:47:31enable screens and yeah he obviously

0:47:34loves nature and he loves putting lots

0:47:35of our stuff and the people who do the

0:47:37enemy and whether Mr that's a big

0:47:39weather guy

0:47:39yeah miyazaki is yeah I as we're going

0:47:42to get to anything more about 20 before

0:47:44we move the key

0:47:45I don't think I've reason i ask you

0:47:47about whether you thought he was really

0:47:49notice because that's the type of thing

0:47:50that Western audiences demand out of

0:47:52their movies yeah well so is he real or

0:47:54not we have to know and the little the

0:47:56corn you know thing at the end seems

0:47:58like he's leaning that direction but

0:48:01it's not a conclusive no type of thing

0:48:03and the whole point of the movie is that

0:48:05to children's lives

0:48:07this is all of a piece there's no

0:48:08separation because they have no they

0:48:11haven't settled things down like that

0:48:12imagination is reality is imagination

0:48:14right

0:48:14emotion is manifestation in other sorts

0:48:17of ways that's totally seemingly

0:48:19unrelated to an outside observer the

0:48:20thing they're actually upset about and

0:48:22it's clear from the movie is a thing i

0:48:23like about the parent the parent you

0:48:25know that the two parents except for the

0:48:29little thing did you see a gigantic cat

0:48:30with a humongous claws and teeth in that

0:48:32tree a second ago

0:48:33now you know that's a little knot at the

0:48:36end there but in general for the whole

0:48:37rest of the movie they pay no attention

0:48:39to what these crazy kids are doing

0:48:41yeah it's great it's it's great I I it

0:48:45doesn't matter might my son my son is

0:48:48seven and it's reading calvin and hobbes

0:48:50who discovered Calvin and Hobbes and

0:48:52this this I think is very comfortable to

0:48:56what you just said which is he thinks

0:49:00calvin and hobbes is a story about a boy

0:49:03with a magic tiger who only turns real

0:49:07when nobody's looking

0:49:09yeah but of course the rest of us would

0:49:11view it as a boy who has an imagination

0:49:14and he makes his stuff tiger he believes

0:49:17his stuff tiger is real and has

0:49:18conversations with him but to my

0:49:20seven-year-old son

0:49:21no it's a magic tiger who you can only

0:49:24see like snuffleupagus right he's only

0:49:26he can only move when nobody else is

0:49:28looking except Calvin well he's like the

0:49:30weeping angels yes slightly less Hobbs

0:49:34is slightly less thread by murderous in

0:49:36the weeping angels but yes and to Calvin

0:49:39he's a boy with a real tiger like

0:49:41California has no account doesn't think

0:49:43it's just that one is far as columns her

0:49:45psyche as real as parents

0:49:47yeah his parents yes and more agreeable

0:49:51sometimes so let's move onto I believe

0:49:54the next year in 1989 kiki's delivery

0:49:56service which I actually I i would say

0:50:01this is my favorite of his movies and

0:50:04this has more of a plot

0:50:06yeah and more sophisticated than total

0:50:09refrigerant boil it still doesn't really

0:50:12have an antagonist somebody asked me

0:50:14okay who's the bad guy in kiki's

0:50:16delivery service i have two answers

0:50:18there's a mean girl at one point who

0:50:20says something mean but she has nothing

0:50:22to do with the plot there is nothing out

0:50:25the antagonist and there are many people

0:50:26who are graphing mean write it and but

0:50:29don't know it

0:50:30bear with me for a second i think the

0:50:32antagonist kiki's delivery service is

0:50:34the wind there's a strong wind that

0:50:38causes trouble late in the movie that's

0:50:40it folks

0:50:41seriously these winds during the summer

0:50:43it's the wind the wind is the worst the

0:50:46wind is the enemy in this movie and it's

0:50:48not that strong and then what

0:50:50but it's not just want to get it there

0:50:52are scenes with the wind in it but

0:50:53I guess I think I've said this on past

0:50:54fog podcast the the antagonism kiki's

0:50:57delivery service is life not gonna life

0:50:59happens that's not what the movies about

0:51:01and what the wind could be a problem in

0:51:03life to it you know and blows things off

0:51:05the rain the rain does things that were

0:51:07you know people who are or not

0:51:09interested in the same things you're

0:51:10interested in disinterested strangers

0:51:13situations beyond your control it's just

0:51:15it's at right happens right and what's

0:51:17fascinating to about Kiki is that this

0:51:19is a movie where Miyazaki's interest in

0:51:22European yeah fairy tales and and

0:51:28there's a lot of stuff in here that is

0:51:31modeled on a couple icon stockholm where

0:51:34I've been and actually seen stuff and be

0:51:36like oh my god that's like a key still

0:51:38every service scale and there's this

0:51:39movie set

0:51:39it's like a Scandinavian northern europe

0:51:41for the most part it it's at mean it's

0:51:43not it's sort of not said anywhere but

0:51:44it's very clearly in it said in Europe

0:51:47and it's about a girl who's a witch and

0:51:49has a black cat and ride a broom so the

0:51:52writing is all in Japanese right right

0:51:54on japanese but it's he's definitely

0:51:56trying to to tell this use this instead

0:52:00this in a story and and the Western kind

0:52:03of view of a witch on a broom with a

0:52:05black cat and sets it in a European town

0:52:07which is fascinating to Justin daddy

0:52:11it's like a different a little bit

0:52:12different palette that he's painting

0:52:14with ya and so when i'm comparing this

0:52:17to totoro the reason I can flop back and

0:52:18forth because I'm like well tour was the

0:52:20pure essence of of his work like if you

0:52:23just keep tearing everything away until

0:52:25all that's left is nonsense and emotion

0:52:26you get total yeah he has more of a

0:52:28structure and it's more sophisticated

0:52:29not connect more with me as an adult

0:52:33which is strange because if you describe

0:52:35this movie to someone you can probably

0:52:37actually write a little capsule for this

0:52:39because you've got a clear main

0:52:40character she's a witch Westerners know

0:52:42what witches are she's young witch in

0:52:43training and it's going to be a kids

0:52:45movie

0:52:46so what kind of wacky adventures could

0:52:48she get into right but beyond that

0:52:50premise it's not structured at all like

0:52:52you know she's a kid who acts her age

0:52:55the adults are not buffoons she doesn't

0:52:58sing I there's there's no evil wizard

0:53:02trying to

0:53:03a harm her she goes out on her own and

0:53:05leave your family behind and you're

0:53:07expecting it to be that she ends up in

0:53:08this town and she's taken advantage of

0:53:10and made to do terrible things

0:53:11she's not she's given a place to live

0:53:13and she's given a job and she starts to

0:53:15deliver you know baked goods are all

0:53:18things you could have a witch do it like

0:53:19she's gonna have a battle with magic

0:53:21wand and fly her broom to firestorm to

0:53:23the Wizards now she's gonna do

0:53:24everything right and the big the big

0:53:25tension is going to be like will she

0:53:27deliver the cake on time right and and

0:53:30better are like where am I going to stay

0:53:32or had to do i navigate the adult world

0:53:35because she can't get into the hotel

0:53:36because she it's you know what you want

0:53:38to stay in the hotel by yourself but

0:53:40you're just a kid and she doesn't know

0:53:41what to do with that one of the greatest

0:53:43things mrs. there she's despondently

0:53:44eating her sandwich that she packed for

0:53:46herself after landing in the city full

0:53:48of hope and finding she was not even

0:53:50able to successfully issue you almost

0:53:52got in trouble with the police messed up

0:53:53traffic was not even able to get into

0:53:55hotel like she's not able to function in

0:53:57the adult world but she's just the kids

0:53:59like I'd they wouldn't let me in but

0:54:01like I don't actually just sitting there

0:54:02and you realize she's eating lunch and

0:54:04she packed for herself she has no other

0:54:05food she doesn't know where she's gonna

0:54:07stay she doesn't know how to become the

0:54:08witch for this town or whatever and just

0:54:10threw serendipity or whatever she

0:54:12happens to get a job at a bakery and

0:54:14figures well what can I actually do i

0:54:17guess i can fly that's good i guess i'll

0:54:20deliver things because if you can fly

0:54:21you can don't like it its home you know

0:54:23a mix of of pragmatic reality and people

0:54:27acting their age and oh by the way we

0:54:29have which is neckline everyone cool

0:54:30with that yeah yeah it's fine it's fine

0:54:33and there and it's great and then

0:54:35they're so then there's wind

0:54:36yeah and and her friend I mean that's

0:54:40really the climax right as her friend is

0:54:42accidentally lifted into the air by a

0:54:43runaway blimp

0:54:45yeah her love interest to is interested

0:54:47in her but it's not like oh we're going

0:54:49to be together and she will spend zero

0:54:52time mooning over tom but she sounds

0:54:54like the boy on the bike who kinda likes

0:54:56her and that I mean right and again like

0:54:58with us some other movies that we've

0:55:00talked about it's the it's it's a more

0:55:02realistic sort of like there's a boy and

0:55:05he's sort of interesting and that's

0:55:07really kind of it and this this is

0:55:09probably a good point to talk about or

0:55:10why I indoctrinated my children with

0:55:14Studio Ghibli movies from

0:55:16young age it and tried to keep them away

0:55:20from disney movies particularly my

0:55:21daughter because miyazaki goes in the

0:55:24other direction all the characters movie

0:55:26or women and there are you know the main

0:55:28characters the protagonist the important

0:55:30people and this women are in general

0:55:32with some exceptions treated very well

0:55:34so the ones i like to say Nozick up here

0:55:36is the woman she's strong she does

0:55:37everything a man would do but still with

0:55:39the sensibilities of a woman

0:55:41totoro the two girls are the main

0:55:43characters and kiki's delivery service

0:55:46she'sshe's the clear list of the center

0:55:49of this movie and the movies are not

0:55:50about getting married

0:55:53finding love or like any of these girl

0:55:55things like they're they're treated as

0:55:57normal people

0:55:58Kiki what she doesn't this movie is

0:56:00grows up a little bit in the way that

0:56:03people actually grow up by making

0:56:06friends getting a job not being

0:56:07confident yourself now but her brain

0:56:09challenge in life is that she's you know

0:56:12it doesn't quite know how to relate to

0:56:15people and fit in how do you become this

0:56:18person who is a working person but has

0:56:20friends and in does all the stuff you

0:56:21can't figure out and my favorite part of

0:56:23this movie is when she loses her witch's

0:56:25powers which in the whole thing with

0:56:26powers in which is completely ridiculous

0:56:27but they use that as a way to I was

0:56:30talking is like this is probably going

0:56:32to sound crude but it when she loses her

0:56:34witch's powers that's their way of

0:56:36telling you that she got her period like

0:56:39she is coming of age and how do you

0:56:42become that's why she got the woman

0:56:44character that she relates to the artist

0:56:45in the woods that is a woman who was her

0:56:47role Marty course you have the pregnant

0:56:49woman can you imagine you know three

0:56:50decades 0 pregnant woman we can show

0:56:52that an animated film they don't even

0:56:54know where babies come from the pregnant

0:56:55woman baker and everything's taken care

0:56:57of her she's from a child while a child

0:57:00to she's going to eventually become an

0:57:01adult in a woman and when she can't fly

0:57:03anymore is because like you know she's

0:57:05just becoming a woman literally and it's

0:57:08thrown her for a loop as it does to you

0:57:10know kids when they're at that age and

0:57:12it's like Who am I

0:57:14why don't people like me the rich girls

0:57:16tombos interested but i'm not sure

0:57:19what's going on there and just just not

0:57:21sure of herself the whole movie and

0:57:22that's the plot the plot is coming of

0:57:24age and like what and if you we've all

0:57:26gone through it right that is definitely

0:57:28worthy of a movie and

0:57:29this is that movie and it's not the

0:57:31cliché movie where in the end you go to

0:57:33the problem with the football hero and

0:57:35everybody loves you in the town coast

0:57:36you Kiki we love you your greatest witch

0:57:38or whatever you know and of course the

0:57:41end of the movie she saves the boy you

0:57:43know that's the plot of this movie the

0:57:44girl saves the boy right from from death

0:57:47that we are with their skill and

0:57:49determination and not you know with her

0:57:51princess fairy powers save save him from

0:57:53death by blimp

0:57:54yeah it's not always going to go to go

0:57:57no definitely not the dirigibles they

0:58:00like to call it that as a yes that's

0:58:02right go through the windows pick up off

0:58:04the coast of year that that's when they

0:58:05had the thing that's another one of the

0:58:06lines the ID on the go around the corner

0:58:08that's the dirigibles that line is

0:58:09therefore yeah sure i'm saying anything

0:58:11at that point that's right that's crazy

0:58:14i don't know what the dirigibles kids

0:58:15but I don't blame you imagine

0:58:17apparently this movie yeah not only

0:58:19stockholm but also visit beyond the

0:58:21which is a non-violent in the Baltic Sea

0:58:24it's a part of another town in Sweden

0:58:27and I've been there too so what did you

0:58:28want to live in this town by the way

0:58:30this is well let me tell you this bee is

0:58:31although not as big as this is charming

0:58:34and stockholm is great too so I i watch

0:58:36these movies and I i remember my brief

0:58:39you know trips to Sweden and it's it is

0:58:42it's a great sort of tip again beautiful

0:58:45just as I said about totoro just

0:58:48beautiful looking and again you've got

0:58:49the the elements and he likes to show

0:58:51fields and trees and and clouds and all

0:58:54these things and it's it's gentle and

0:58:57you know its pastoral and beautiful

0:59:00he's good at that stuff alright we weave

0:59:04you know we should probably blow through

0:59:06the rest of these movies here because

0:59:07we've been talking for a while now i

0:59:09have not seen porco rosso which is about

0:59:11the that's like about a flying pig right

0:59:13yeah that's that's an odd one too but

0:59:15it's more of a boy's adventure movie

0:59:17alright flying pig with with an

0:59:20emotional heart he said he's a pig who's

0:59:22a pilot is that right

0:59:24no question Jason alright okay makes

0:59:27sense in context i swear i got out else

0:59:29out i gotta watch that ok and then

0:59:30there's one ok which i haven't seen

0:59:32which is yet which is a big one

0:59:34yeah that's him refining and refining

0:59:36and refining that that action movie

0:59:38formula and starting to go over i think

0:59:42into a little bit

0:59:43too much now I wouldn't say maybe not

0:59:46that but I say it like he has a preachy

0:59:49streak in him he has a message that he

0:59:50wants to tell you about not destroying

0:59:52the earth not fighting each other or

0:59:53whatever and that can be grading if it

0:59:57when he leans on it too heavily but

0:59:58monokey also I

0:59:58monokey also I

1:00:00highly encourage you to watch and it's

1:00:02another example of every character in

1:00:04the movie has as legitimate motivation

1:00:06no buffoons no cartoonishly evil things

1:00:10it's also ratcheting up all the things

1:00:13it's most likely knows a guy i encourage

1:00:15you to watch it all right I will

1:00:18I've got it rented it's right here i

1:00:19just didn't get to it in time

1:00:21ok spirited away we touched on briefly

1:00:24it I saw it and I liked it but I thought

1:00:27it was it was just really weird

1:00:29yeah similar to Kiki and that you end up

1:00:32you start off with a girl it's a girl

1:00:34right who's young and kind of petrol and

1:00:37like you're that age and she's put into

1:00:38a situation where she has to fend for

1:00:40herself because her parents are not

1:00:41there exactly like Kiki goes off on her

1:00:43own its kind of wild-eyed whoever this

1:00:45one has the parents taken away from her

1:00:47it's like we're now you're on your own

1:00:48no one's going to help you what are you

1:00:50gonna do you have to find your way

1:00:51you're gonna have to get a job you have

1:00:52to work hard at that job if they're our

1:00:54friends are interesting things happening

1:00:56around here you're just going to have to

1:00:57deal with them and that's it

1:00:59this is why I think kids connect so much

1:01:01with these movies because young adult

1:01:03literature does this so much of the

1:01:05protagonist and young adult literature

1:01:06always has to be someone at the age of

1:01:08the person are reading the book a young

1:01:09adult and we want to see how do they

1:01:11make their way in the world and that

1:01:12their parents usually aren't there

1:01:14they're on their harry potter goes off

1:01:15the wizard school by himself for the the

1:01:17people in the hunger games are you know

1:01:18they have to you want to see someone who

1:01:21has similar age to you and say well what

1:01:22happens if we take away the safety net

1:01:23and that's what's fascinating feel like

1:01:25she's by herself and look at all these

1:01:27crazy things and as a witch and and this

1:01:29is weird creature and she has to get a

1:01:30job doing and I think kids that age

1:01:32where they're not sort of self

1:01:35actualizing or whatever the the

1:01:37psychological they're not you know they

1:01:38haven't been sort of fully be taken

1:01:39ownership of their own selves and find

1:01:41their path in the world thrust into

1:01:43these situations now granted the

1:01:44situations that movies are ridiculous

1:01:46and crazy but kids can connect that

1:01:48they're like you know that the big

1:01:49tension is she going to talk to the big

1:01:51spider guy to ask him for a job because

1:01:52I could never do that cuz I'm scared you

1:01:54know

1:01:54and so the plot I i think this movie is

1:01:56also almost incidental unless you're

1:01:59talking about the big message about not

1:02:00polluting and all that stuff

1:02:01it's about here you go kid let's see how

1:02:04you do and again a female character and

1:02:06again a character who through

1:02:07determination and good good character

1:02:09and effort and force of will triumph

1:02:12snot by marrying

1:02:13anybody yeah and then also repair turned

1:02:18into pigs but they don't fly

1:02:19yeah one of my favorite images in this

1:02:22movie and he does this Lots images is

1:02:23the train going across the water

1:02:25attracts there's water but it's just

1:02:28just enough to just barely leave the

1:02:29tracks and the train is going across

1:02:31this giant expanse of water it's not

1:02:33floating on the water is not a magic

1:02:34trick is just that the water happens to

1:02:35be exactly at the level of the tracks

1:02:37maybe it's high tide

1:02:40yeah I don't know I hey how's Moving

1:02:46Castle ya maar European ish

1:02:50yeah things i watch this today this one

1:02:57set this one's a little too long

1:02:59what kind of sags which part did you

1:03:02think sank I out toward the end it just

1:03:09I it it just kept going toward the end

1:03:12where they have the there's like the the

1:03:14the battle and and they're there and

1:03:18they started the enemy starts bombing

1:03:21the town and they have to move the move

1:03:24the castle and end it I just I couldn't

1:03:28say I felt like it took a another plot

1:03:30turn when I expected it to be wrapping

1:03:33up and incisors like no no we're gonna

1:03:35keep on going and no actually it's been

1:03:38two hours I really i'm ok with you being

1:03:40done now we just say that there weren't

1:03:42a lot of things about it that I i

1:03:44actually liked it is a it is a little

1:03:47bit odd

1:03:48it's also got like like with phil

1:03:51hartman as Gigi the cat in kiki's

1:03:53delivery service it's got the it's got

1:03:55the fire demon Calcifer in the English

1:03:58dub is Billy Crystal

1:03:59yeah which although the way that

1:04:02character is drawn you kind of want to

1:04:04have a wacky personality like that that

1:04:06fire demon yes just big eyes and a big

1:04:09mouth and the Hartman gigi is one of

1:04:11those things where that is not true to

1:04:12the original but that's my bloody hell

1:04:14but it's still it's hard it's pretty

1:04:16good to you like I think it's like

1:04:18that's that's a separate character

1:04:19except movie that's one interpretation

1:04:20you can do that same thing with Calcifer

1:04:23that think the problem with with

1:04:25how's Moving Castle is that it didn't

1:04:27know whether wanted to be the action

1:04:29adventure movie where we're interested

1:04:31in the resolution of the plot like a

1:04:34castle in the sky vodka or if we wanted

1:04:37to be a this is what it's like to have

1:04:41to go through some thing in your life

1:04:42like Kiki or spirited away because you

1:04:45do have the character who is a young

1:04:47adult and she's suddenly gets old and

1:04:50his magic but you also have this plot

1:04:51business with how land is cursed and

1:04:53you're like what am i interested in him

1:04:54I interested in them in the main

1:04:55characters overcoming our struggles in

1:04:59this strange situation do I care about

1:05:01how i miss bombing in the battles and

1:05:02it's kind of all like you don't know

1:05:04which way to go and then i can think

1:05:05they just tried to fit it all into to

1:05:06the same movie and this has a lot of

1:05:09interesting bits and charm but i never

1:05:11get invested in the story like a man in

1:05:13the more story German movies and I never

1:05:15connect with the emotion of the

1:05:16character like a doing those and the

1:05:18more character-driven movies yeah how is

1:05:21a little odd himself because how how is

1:05:23a uh yeah

1:05:26however he he's like the doctor he

1:05:29started well yeah but he's like blonde

1:05:31and has his hair is kinda long and he

1:05:33wears ear rings and he complains about

1:05:35not being beautiful and then his kid

1:05:38then here is done is darker he's this

1:05:40he's like he's like am a like David

1:05:44Bowie hey its latest he's not quite

1:05:47he's not quite male he's not quite

1:05:49female and then your protagonist is

1:05:53turned into an old lady

1:05:55although that's fascinating because at

1:05:56various points she's not an old lady

1:05:59writer and watch closely when she's

1:06:01sleeping she's not and sometimes when

1:06:03she professes her emotion she's not and

1:06:05sometimes she's got the gray hair but

1:06:09but the young face and has the young

1:06:11voice it's panic that goes back and

1:06:13forth which is crazy

1:06:15so you like which Sophia's yeah that was

1:06:17a little bit on the on the nose but it's

1:06:18like the interesting thing about this

1:06:20that would never happen in western

1:06:21studios that you don't have a senior

1:06:23citizen as your main cut you if you have

1:06:24a beautiful young girl she has to say

1:06:25beautiful young girl the more you don't

1:06:26have her have the movie running around

1:06:28the old person's groan groan as being

1:06:30ugly

1:06:31yea big nose and all hunched over and

1:06:34although although it is there some great

1:06:36scenes in this right that are the way

1:06:38she cleans up the

1:06:39Castle because the cast is a mess and

1:06:41the book there's a little and there's a

1:06:42little boy who is a gas that she's

1:06:45cleaning up the castle and of course the

1:06:47fire demon is also a gas because he's

1:06:49afraid he's going to go out that she's

1:06:51sort of like cleaning up all the ash

1:06:52that's around and then the old boy has

1:06:55got his hood that he puts on that makes

1:06:57them look like kind of a strange kind of

1:06:59bearded little tiny still little guy but

1:07:02now he looks like a bit a bearded older

1:07:04little guy that's cool i love the door

1:07:08that's got the little thing you turn and

1:07:09it opens in four different places

1:07:11because this this castle is is walking

1:07:16around on legs which is also really

1:07:18interesting and it's agglomeration got

1:07:20like bits of house inside it but then

1:07:22you flip the switch and now you're in a

1:07:24small town and you can switch again and

1:07:26you're in the capital city i mean

1:07:27there's a lot of stuff in here that's

1:07:29really really interesting but it does

1:07:32seem like it's a lot of stuff patent

1:07:35leather yeah yeah and so and this movie

1:07:37like all these other movies and most

1:07:39japanese animation movies they just want

1:07:42you to take it at face value they don't

1:07:43want to explain to you like yeah but

1:07:45notice that you know it's always magic

1:07:47that castle and walks there's don't like

1:07:50so the second thing is you know that is

1:07:52almost quintessential in this where i

1:07:53have one of those moments where I just

1:07:54kinda like drop my hands and like well

1:07:56of course

1:07:56ok whatever is all of a sudden in rapid

1:07:59succession there's oh that's his heart

1:08:02the heart was in the with the with

1:08:04Counsell for all along and that's his

1:08:06curse and and look turnip head is a

1:08:09prince from the foreign country that we

1:08:11recently with starting oh of course sure

1:08:14that all happened rather quickly and i'm

1:08:17not quite sure why the connects with the

1:08:19plot you're like well then you don't

1:08:20even have a plot you just have a messy

1:08:22or unpleasant things that aren't even

1:08:23connected to the flat like the fact that

1:08:25this fire a little boys can disguise

1:08:26themselves or there's magic in this

1:08:28world is a castle that walks or just

1:08:30like all that stuff is like just just go

1:08:31with it because it's not it's not

1:08:33important to the plot is just like

1:08:34they're just a side character you get

1:08:36hung up by like the mechanics of the

1:08:38fire demon or what you know why does

1:08:42that dog look weird or the fact that big

1:08:44fella colonia that the big fat which

1:08:46woman like you is who is she oh she our

1:08:49friend she like you just you just said

1:08:51just go with it

1:08:52simplistic but you really need a solid

1:08:54plan to hang out on and i think this one

1:08:56they just didn't know where to go and

1:08:57toward the end of the movie some of the

1:09:00final lines that house speaks he's kind

1:09:02of grunting and it is literally

1:09:05christian bale in the introduction

1:09:07it is literally Christian Bale doing his

1:09:09batman voice before he was Batman it and

1:09:13i turned my wife I said it's a bad man

1:09:14how is batman because it is it's

1:09:17christian bale most the movie you don't

1:09:18really you don't really think it's

1:09:20christian bale but then that he does

1:09:21this little something like this now I'm

1:09:23how I'm going off again and that's it

1:09:26Batman

1:09:27I don't want to tell you should not look

1:09:28at the NDB page for Princess Mononoke if

1:09:30you gotta open close it

1:09:32alright because i don't want to distract

1:09:34you with who is voicing stuff in that

1:09:35movie because for the most part it does

1:09:37not sound like them and right when it's

1:09:39done up you know just look up who

1:09:41everyone was like it's some stuff in

1:09:43their stuff wacky stuff lauren bacall in

1:09:46in the English dub track for

1:09:48house-moving count yeah she was a surge

1:09:49of it is and i really liked her as the

1:09:51woman she was did a great job on that

1:09:54yeah yeah so they get good people will

1:09:57John Lasseter now now that pixar was

1:10:00bought by disney John Lasseter is

1:10:02basically in charge of doing faithful e

1:10:05English releases of all of miyazaki's

1:10:08movies and they and they do a good job

1:10:11hey I mean you can argue about whether

1:10:12that you know you prefer the original

1:10:15with subtitles but the dubs are good

1:10:17they're they're generally very good with

1:10:19famous people who are good you know not

1:10:22just like brad pitt will be in a blue

1:10:24but actually good work

1:10:27all right we should talk about ponyo

1:10:28which is his most recent movie from 2008

1:10:31which is like his take on the little

1:10:33mermaid

1:10:34well it it's something alright princess

1:10:37is similar one where where you're like

1:10:40what is what you know very very rarely

1:10:44does he spend any time establishing

1:10:46whether this is reality or magic is real

1:10:50everyone in all the movies accepts

1:10:52anything that's in them like you know

1:10:55fish with hair and humanize we don't

1:10:57whatever giant sea like no one is known

1:10:59is like oh my god there's a giant woman

1:11:02underneath us in the ocean i thought it

1:11:04died not you

1:11:05if a giant woman appeared on anything in

1:11:07the ocean you know time spent on is just

1:11:09like it's all of a piece almost as if

1:11:10everyone in all his movies is a child

1:11:13because you know that childlike wonder

1:11:15that he has he likes to imagine a world

1:11:17in which anything is possible people

1:11:18aren't fazed by it so if you could just

1:11:21let that get out of the way this is this

1:11:22is a movie about a little i don't need

1:11:26to not even a mermaid a little fish girl

1:11:28yeah it's not like she sings a song

1:11:30about wanting to go on land she just is

1:11:33glorious and independent and squirms

1:11:36away

1:11:36she's the she's the daughter of the

1:11:38queen of the sea and a human who is a

1:11:42what a waste of human who got fed up

1:11:46with humans i don't particularly like

1:11:48the actor that you know Liam Neeson this

1:11:50he doesn't do a bad job but he just

1:11:52sounds like Liam Neeson to me and i

1:11:53think is wrong for the character very

1:11:55very wrong

1:11:56so she so she yeah she takes off and

1:11:58it's kinda put captured by a kid in a in

1:12:01a green plastic bucket and that they

1:12:04bond strangely and rapidly but to the

1:12:09point where she decides she loves loves

1:12:13the boy and doesn't want to leave him

1:12:14and so she basically when she's returned

1:12:18to the sea against your will she goes

1:12:21into the room that's got all the magic

1:12:23stuff in it and turns herself into a

1:12:25human and and again if you hear the plot

1:12:28of this movie described as well he does

1:12:29have a plot like this you know character

1:12:31they're separated there's a blood

1:12:33adversary you know there's old people

1:12:35are in JT of its like Coon at one point

1:12:37actually with the old people are walking

1:12:40again and they're under the sea and it

1:12:42really is like wait a second where's you

1:12:44know the cast of Cocoon yeah so so that

1:12:46when everything floods and is this

1:12:48pre-cambrian prehistoric fish Dino going

1:12:52around under the seat because that's

1:12:53what he'll I doubt was this thing is

1:12:54going to restore the earth to its

1:12:55previous state and people like you know

1:12:57let's evacuate the old people from the

1:12:59home and get the black don't like the

1:13:01earth is flooded is Armageddon who are

1:13:03all gonna die giant seat nope nope

1:13:06everyone's comments can be LT so 13 of

1:13:09the mom whose voice by tina fey and amy

1:13:11English up is a they like she first off

1:13:14she's like you know I could stay here

1:13:17with the old people but instead i'm

1:13:18going to try to

1:13:19it to my house and it's like tip this

1:13:20terrible parenting better i'm gonna

1:13:23don't don't go in the rushing water with

1:13:25your little tiny car and she's like no

1:13:26I'm gonna I'm gonna time it just right

1:13:28and i'm going to jump over within my kid

1:13:29in the car which she does and she drives

1:13:31really fast and the water is about to

1:13:34get them and they get to the highpoint

1:13:35their houses like I'm a high point

1:13:37they're completely surrounded by water

1:13:39and and she's I'm gonna go back out when

1:13:42we want

1:13:42how could you how could you even go back

1:13:44out you're completely surround and yet

1:13:46somehow she goes back out this is this

1:13:48is another thing I think is gripping for

1:13:50children miyazaki's movies involve

1:13:52children is that all in all of them that

1:13:55it's the opposite of helicopter

1:13:57parenting if you think of the situations

1:13:59that young children two three four five

1:14:00year old children are put in by parents

1:14:03in these movies they're like the kids

1:14:04will be ok

1:14:05you know I like here you just got i'll

1:14:07be in my sent folder i'll be my thing

1:14:09doing my work for whatever you guys just

1:14:11go run out in the woods and have fun and

1:14:14this one it's like you know the kid just

1:14:15goes to school comes back on his own

1:14:17just let him play at one point she finds

1:14:19him in the ocean drowning practically

1:14:21you think she would say well from this

1:14:22point on I'm not letting much i'm making

1:14:24sure there's an adult supervise my child

1:14:26since i live someplace surrounded by

1:14:27ocean water and I almost he almost

1:14:29drowned you know

1:14:30no it's all just like laid back in the

1:14:32kit and up and you know so kids who were

1:14:34brought up in the current helicopter

1:14:36parenting lifestyle and you know of what

1:14:39was trying to keep our children safe

1:14:40watch these movies they sit and they see

1:14:42these kids in situations that they've

1:14:43never been allowed to get into and it's

1:14:45gripping busy like you know there's

1:14:47nobody there to save him he's by himself

1:14:50where there's no adult taking care of

1:14:51him are telling him don't go there don't

1:14:53do that all these kids are on their own

1:14:55and they they do things he you know she

1:14:58makes the boat get bigger he's tooling

1:14:59around on the boat looking at things

1:15:00like they're off on their own doing

1:15:03their thing you know and when they get

1:15:04back the parents don't really help them

1:15:06i really like that that she makes the

1:15:08little boat that's driven by a candle

1:15:10she makes a boat in the candle big and

1:15:11they like the candle and then they just

1:15:13go hang out and people like hey how you

1:15:15doing

1:15:15yeah we're just looking for my mom you

1:15:18have you seen her and the baby is is

1:15:20scowling at her

1:15:21yeah weird stuff going to church and

1:15:24their relationship starts off as boy and

1:15:27pet

1:15:27yeah a-and evolved into what exactly

1:15:30like you don't make this move west

1:15:32you be like wait am I supposed to

1:15:33believe these kids are in love is this

1:15:35this is uncomfortable for me because

1:15:37they shouldn't be romantic love between

1:15:38children who were five been there isn't

1:15:40but it's like but then what's the point

1:15:42of this movie if there's a male and a

1:15:43female and their leads they have to get

1:15:44married at the end because i don't

1:15:45understand the purpose of life it's not

1:15:47for these people to get married and live

1:15:48happily ever after and it seems like

1:15:49they do but really it's not it's not

1:15:52romantic love between these people is

1:15:54just save I it's you know it's strange

1:15:57if you get hung up on these things you

1:15:59think are other Japanese all weird and

1:16:01prefers never like knocking on canvas

1:16:03you can't just accept at face value

1:16:05because what happened they're not

1:16:06kissing each other in this movie you

1:16:08know they're just related the little

1:16:09smoother but it's like it's it's the

1:16:12love the little boy would feel for a

1:16:14little girl right

1:16:15yeah and and making human species his

1:16:17best friend and he wants to keep her

1:16:19around and she's cool

1:16:20although this movie this movie and

1:16:22strangely because they they they like

1:16:24wander through the tunnel and she just

1:16:26turns into a fish-like and that's one of

1:16:28those moments again like oh I guess now

1:16:30she turns into a fish again

1:16:32yeah well yeah okay let's stop there

1:16:35like the way she and she strange-looking

1:16:36when she's efficient ugly and weird and

1:16:38yes this movie isn't is more absurdist

1:16:41with the old people start to walk and

1:16:44it's fair it's yeah wow this gets caught

1:16:48up and its plot a little bit too much

1:16:50too because if the whole messages I go

1:16:52that's not pleased to see this is

1:16:53wonderful nature is good and all that

1:16:55business but it was very interesting

1:16:57imagery and lots of good scenes but

1:17:00overall it's kind of a kind of a mess it

1:17:03doesn't have the heart of totoro doesn't

1:17:07have the sophistication of kiki it has a

1:17:09lot of the absurdity of spirited away

1:17:11but without the same relatable our trip

1:17:14for the protagonist so it's mostly just

1:17:16kind of like a visual delight a combined

1:17:20with a plot that will be off-putting to

1:17:22a lot of people but if it doesn't bother

1:17:24your disciple there is you know one of

1:17:26my favorite things in this movie is when

1:17:28the the father calls to say that he's

1:17:34got another trip on his ship and he's

1:17:36not going to be coming home for shore

1:17:38leave and and the mother is furious now

1:17:43and then the father is going past

1:17:45and they're they're signaling via

1:17:47flashing light violent Morse code and

1:17:51that and that the Sun is very you know

1:17:54he's very enthusiastic and it's relaying

1:17:55messages back and forth and and the mom

1:17:59is just saying you basically tell him to

1:18:01tell him to beat it

1:18:02tell me is a jerk it's the one and the

1:18:05boys like no no I'm gonna be mom was

1:18:07kind of mad at you

1:18:08yeah that's that's something else you

1:18:10enjoy see in kids movies because sites

1:18:12that you had a kids movie where there

1:18:14was a mother taking care of the Son and

1:18:15the father was away and he couldn't come

1:18:18back the mother would be like oh dear

1:18:20how I wish you would come back but

1:18:22adults are actual people to get you

1:18:25don't have e and a kids movie usually

1:18:27don't show the adults have you know you

1:18:29don't show the parents fighting unless

1:18:30they're bad parent so you don't so the

1:18:32you know like she gets upset like

1:18:34because your husband she gets mad at him

1:18:36because I call how you're supposed to be

1:18:38and it's mad because she loves him and

1:18:39wants him back but also mad because like

1:18:41why you would work and kids movies you

1:18:43almost never show that everyone in

1:18:44miyazaki movies gets to be who they are

1:18:47no one has to be like oh this is x type

1:18:49of movie they're for adults can't have

1:18:52that kind of reaction because real

1:18:53adults do have that reaction real

1:18:55relationships and they have them in

1:18:56front of children and it doesn't make

1:18:57them bad people you know and he shows

1:19:00that in his movies everyone gets to be a

1:19:03character

1:19:04yeah and then the Sun place will you get

1:19:07the sense what he what he's done before

1:19:09which is a play maybe not necessarily

1:19:13even peacemaker but he's aware of that

1:19:16me he's not gonna let his mom being

1:19:17angry get in the way of him talking to

1:19:18his dad so and his dad knows that he can

1:19:21use his son a little bit as a bridge

1:19:23there are different you know put in a

1:19:25good word for me I know she's bad at me

1:19:26and it's it's sweet its it's nice and

1:19:29then you know they're giant waves in the

1:19:31mood comes down and pulls a giant wall

1:19:33of water with all the boats and its

1:19:35members coming at that part I never

1:19:37really understood either it's like the

1:19:38moon is getting closer

1:19:40yeah but things are out of balance yeah

1:19:43at the giant tidal wave sweeps up all

1:19:45the cargo ships into here and there's a

1:19:48lot of stuff this and click the ship

1:19:50parking lot of I don't know

1:19:52well that's that's that's our are

1:19:54chronological walk through the canon of

1:19:57of miyazaki

1:19:59the ones that you've seen anyone mostly

1:20:01and well and we covered the ones that

1:20:02that I haven't seen by by mentioning

1:20:05them

1:20:06yeah I i almost wish we could have done

1:20:08not had this not being miyazaki show but

1:20:11a studio ghibli job is there are other

1:20:13movies like for example the most recent

1:20:15I don't know if you've seen it but uh

1:20:16Arrietty already i had the wishes the

1:20:17borrower's i have not i want to see it

1:20:19but I haven't seen it and try to get

1:20:21that would fit right in with the

1:20:22discussion even though it's not a

1:20:24miyazaki did not track this and a couple

1:20:27other minor things like whisper of the

1:20:29heart and was the one I was thinking of

1:20:31other works that are involved in the

1:20:33studio but not necessarily involving him

1:20:34that are it fit right into this genre

1:20:38and and give a slightly different flavor

1:20:40but huh

1:20:41that will have to say the production and

1:20:42I still actually really want to an

1:20:43animation but considering how far it was

1:20:44to get a show together for like The

1:20:47Godfather of great japanese animation i

1:20:49really doubt we're going to be able to

1:20:51get a show together for people who have

1:20:52seen anime in general well kind of anime

1:20:55you know I think we're gonna have to

1:20:57treat that like we did like we did games

1:20:59or or or text adventures or things like

1:21:03that where where we might have to go

1:21:06outside the usual panelists in order to

1:21:08get a good collection of people for that

1:21:10I'd be out there I'm there's more it's

1:21:12time for that

1:21:13uh-huh I don't know free free agents or

1:21:16I don't know what the sportster would be

1:21:19I was thinking guests get into pinch

1:21:22hitters hitters you have something like

1:21:24that temporary injury relief something

1:21:28like that but uh because I really beyond

1:21:31miyazaki all I could talk about Star

1:21:33Blazers I I could sing with the Star

1:21:36Blazers theme song even but i'm sure the

1:21:38Star Blazers is also a butchered version

1:21:40of yes yes I yeah that's the thing with

1:21:42animes I can't give you homework and say

1:21:44okay we'll just watch the these last

1:21:46decades worth yeah am i right you know

1:21:47at least there's like one director a

1:21:49series of movies you can watch for them

1:21:50to get a takeout but if you haven't been

1:21:53spending your life it's like a volunteer

1:21:54and a comic book thing like okay start

1:21:55reading comic books and get better than

1:21:5720 years

1:21:58yeah exactly that's it's tough to catch

1:22:00up yeah it was hard enough for me to

1:22:02catch up on music and music is really

1:22:04great

1:22:04kiki kiki is my favorite with totoro

1:22:08close behind but Kiki something about it

1:22:11maybe it's all the airship

1:22:12yeah and for adults listen to the story

1:22:16that sounds like everything we just

1:22:17described her kids movies and stuff

1:22:19one day without your children might

1:22:22maybe when you're by yourself like a

1:22:24rainy day or something get Kiki stick it

1:22:26somewhere off to the side so when that

1:22:27rainy day comes you going to sit at the

1:22:29couch chill out try to roll your mind

1:22:32back a few decades and just watch that

1:22:34movie

1:22:34yeah and Syria doesn't see it doesn't

1:22:36connect with you a rainy windy day gonna

1:22:39have to wind

1:22:40yeah that my heart yeah because that

1:22:44wind who is the bad guy

1:22:46the enemy alright John I thought this

1:22:50was AI thought there's a lot of fun

1:22:51yes it was nice to watch those movies

1:22:53again to like giving you homework too

1:22:56yeah that was good that was good at home

1:22:58some other genres yes make you watch

1:23:00please do they did they do this with a

1:23:02book club they make me read things

1:23:03against my will so what you can make me

1:23:05watch things thats fine damn right we

1:23:08can do this again

1:23:09alright well then i will close up this

1:23:11episode of the incomparable and i would

1:23:13like to thank John siracusa for spending

1:23:15the time and his knowledge of anime

1:23:17which I do not have but again what a

1:23:21great director and a lot of great a lot

1:23:23of great movies especially totoro and

1:23:26Kiki so until our next edition of the

1:23:30incomparable podcast thanks again to

1:23:32john i'm jason Snell we'll see you next

1:23:34time

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1:23:41la that are ya short compared to like

1:23:52this seriously i could actually do a

1:23:54scene-by-scene three-hour thing on any

1:23:55of these moves hi

1:23:57well I know that wants that that was the

1:23:59other way to go is that I feel like yeah

1:24:01like i said i think i could do an hour

1:24:02on chest totoro and Kiki and in fact I

1:24:04could do an hour on each of them

1:24:05yeah i wish i could that could do have

1:24:09done a better job of convincing people

1:24:10to these movies might be something to be

1:24:12interested because if you're listening

1:24:13to the show you like the nerdy

1:24:14conversations that we normally have

1:24:16it's hard for me to to explain why i

1:24:19like these movies and why I think other

1:24:20people will but i think this whole

1:24:22swathes of the population the nerd

1:24:23population who just avoid these entirely

1:24:25huh

1:24:26you know I mean that's why i said that i

1:24:28find them the especially those two

1:24:30charming it's just like you i can't help

1:24:33but smile while I'm watching them

1:24:34they're nice they're pretty they're

1:24:37sweet they're you know it there's

1:24:40nothing wrong with that it and

1:24:42warehousing and done

1:24:43interesting you know right but and the

1:24:45and the plot is beside the point in the

1:24:47fact that there is no conflict I i mean

1:24:49i didn't mention this either but you

1:24:50know with young kids I think I think

1:24:53totoro and Kiki are go to movies for

1:24:57young kids because they are there are

1:24:59some kids that are they really get

1:25:01disturbed by scary parts and conflict

1:25:04and there's no conflict at Otero has a

1:25:06little like I my children being a little

1:25:08bit scared when they first meet or he

1:25:09makes that very deep noise alright yeah

1:25:12he's totally not scared with that

1:25:13combines Bucky just there's nothing

1:25:15that's gonna tell your kids that mean

1:25:17after all

1:25:17yeah and and the best thing about Kiki

1:25:19the reason I i love it so much because I

1:25:21i feel like i'm putting what I'm putting

1:25:23in front of them is like the highest

1:25:25quality things made by humans but they

1:25:28can still enjoy it i'm not putting them

1:25:29in front of crap i'm putting in front of

1:25:31something that they can keep watching

1:25:32for the entire life in already which I

1:25:34encourage you to watch my kids have seen

1:25:36about as soon as it came out in japan i

1:25:38grabbed it and I watched myself and i

1:25:40watched it with my kids and I read the

1:25:42subtitles and kids you know their their

1:25:46little minds are amazing i read the

1:25:47subtitles like once or twice and they

1:25:50both memorize the movie and so they

1:25:51watch Arrietty all the time

1:25:54with no subtitles on ninja in japanese

1:25:56is also not a lot of dialogue you'll see

1:25:58that it's you know it's it's a different

1:26:00flavor than miyazaki's movies but that

1:26:01that charm and beauty and interest and

1:26:05like gentleness is all there and they

1:26:08they love it they they sit there and

1:26:09watch this movie in Japanese it

1:26:11I never even thought to try to trick

1:26:13show them doubles for the movies but you

1:26:14know I can't wait for the Englishman to

1:26:16come out now I'm actually kind of scared

1:26:18to see it because the whole family has

1:26:19seen this movie 50 times now in Japanese

1:26:21and it'll be weird to hear the American

1:26:23Voices you know I read the borrower's

1:26:25when I was a kid and we were we were

1:26:26actually yeah we're gonna go see it and

1:26:28we we didn't it was it was sold out when

1:26:30we went to see it down in Southern

1:26:32California

1:26:33did they ever explain in the source

1:26:34material why the call borrowers when

1:26:35they don't give anything back

1:26:38now this is a major plot point but it

1:26:41just hit it does bother me i well I'm

1:26:44trying to remember i think i think the

1:26:46idea was that the borrower's could could

1:26:49give them back or it may have been the

1:26:50borrower's just like a turnout copyright

1:26:53well I i think it was i think it was a

1:26:55little bit like um no no we're not

1:26:57stealing it

1:26:58we're just borrowing it that it was

1:27:00almost like an understanding that that

1:27:02they were just putting a nice positive

1:27:04spin on the fact that they stole your

1:27:06pencils and use them as bedposts or

1:27:10whatever they did with them and the

1:27:12other one I recommend view is a whisper

1:27:14of how old is your daughter

1:27:16ten maybe too old for this week you

1:27:19can't whisper of the heart is

1:27:21I don't know what you call it's more

1:27:23stereotypical girls movie but it still

1:27:26is kind of a self-actualization thing I

1:27:30it also is kind of long and has a silly

1:27:33ending but it's that give it a try

1:27:36alright i I've looked it up here i will

1:27:40i'll check it out and my daughter loves

1:27:42the Cat Returns which is much more silly

1:27:44and kind of cats and it has a connection

1:27:46with whisper of the heart lot of these

1:27:48movies are connected in strange ways i

1:27:49would not recommend the cat returns and

1:27:51if unless you have a four-year-old

1:27:52daughter who likes cats I i have no I

1:27:56have a ten-year-old daughter a

1:27:57four-year-old daughter who likes cats

1:27:58six years ago

1:28:00yeah you're a little bit past my

1:28:03programming my japanese animation

1:28:05inspired programming and

1:28:06by the way I should mention the show I

1:28:07could not keep my daughter away from

1:28:09disney movies she flying I my wife loves

1:28:12them and I couldn't possible I could get

1:28:14my daughter away from them anyway we

1:28:16didn't dress her in pink or anything

1:28:18like that and then all of a sudden she

1:28:20just went into a princess phase and you

1:28:21couldn't really couldn't stop it and she

1:28:23got she got through it but you know and

1:28:26and so we had we tried to give it which

1:28:29was trying to show the good ones

1:28:31so we we we had the boy we watched

1:28:35Sleeping Beauty way too many times a lot

1:28:37of the lip-sync seen them all and like I

1:28:39just I just prayed like my massive

1:28:41foundation of Studio Ghibli movies right

1:28:43I just laid the bedrock there so that

1:28:45the princess phase it will come and it

1:28:46will go but underneath it all will be

1:28:48key right and Nas ago you know

1:28:51yeah Nicki saving that boy the end of

1:28:53the movie you know it's tough

1:28:55yeah yeah yeah i mean the Disney stuff

1:28:59is is fine but it doesn't really send

1:29:01the right message now it doesn't it has

1:29:05music they like but yeah yeah those

1:29:07movies bother me immensely

1:29:08yeah yeah sleeping beauty's not that bad

1:29:13some of them are really bad some of them

1:29:16are really really bad but uh but now we

1:29:19I think we've exposed her to a lot of a

1:29:25lot of good stuff plus she's I mean plus

1:29:27you like know stuff about Doctor Who so

1:29:29yeah that's good

1:29:31I've totally ruined her for her for four

1:29:35boys dick all right actually I maybe

1:29:37she's perfect cause they'll be like how

1:29:39you doing better actor who well I you

1:29:41know I don't know I don't know what's

1:29:42gonna happen but i have given her I've

1:29:44given her a nice little layer of of

1:29:46depth that she can either take advantage

1:29:48of or completely deny but she you know I

1:29:51don't know I've done all I can so far

1:29:52yeah sometimes i feel like i'm a i-i-i

1:29:54question what I'm doing this like I said

1:29:56my kids have been watching princess

1:29:57mononoke my daughter is four and she

1:29:59repeatedly request princess mononoke

1:30:02after you watch that movie if you ask me

1:30:04is appropriate to show to a

1:30:06four-year-old maybe it's not maybe it's

1:30:09not appropriate to show 24 year old but

1:30:11she's a tough cookie sheet that we

1:30:13watched that's why we watched naga no no

1:30:18what what what

1:30:19one of my watch today Oh house moving

1:30:21castle today is is because i looked at

1:30:24the ratings for both of them look like

1:30:25Howl's Moving Castle was considered less

1:30:27intense

1:30:28yeah then and then the other one and

1:30:31kinda my son my son is still there were

1:30:35parts of even howls moving castle that

1:30:37he was like I don't want to watch this

1:30:39part of my son at seven and my daughter

1:30:41for about the same level of times if

1:30:43it's scary saying he's searching stuff

1:30:46yes she is a top and butt but like I'm

1:30:48thinking like well why do you like this

1:30:50because it is totally not a girl in a

1:30:51boy's adventure movies dismemberment I

1:30:54mean the cut you watch it and think

1:30:55about my father watching but she loves

1:30:57it i mean there's something about it

1:30:58that just I don't know it's connecting

1:31:01with their little in you know it's

1:31:02reaching to the little brains and doing

1:31:04something and so I'm hoping I'm not

1:31:05scaring her life but I think I think she

1:31:07I think she can handle it

1:31:09I think I feel like that she's I feel

1:31:12comfortable everything are you doing her

1:31:13you know your kids react to stuff

1:31:15differently a friend of mine her son

1:31:17he's aight i think now and he couldn't

1:31:22watch he may still not be able to watch

1:31:24fiction he could watch fiction things

1:31:27hehe could watch like documentaries like

1:31:29shows about this is how you know these

1:31:31are these are trucks that are building a

1:31:33building right

1:31:34he loved stuff like that but you know

1:31:37and he got really into like Star Wars

1:31:39related like books and pictures and

1:31:41things but had never seen Star Wars

1:31:43because he was he was like I think and I

1:31:47think it was the conflict thing I think

1:31:49like having a bit bad people doing mean

1:31:52things really freaked him out night I

1:31:54told her that she should show him Kiki

1:31:56because there is no conflict in this

1:31:59book

1:31:59nothing no mean people are in this movie

1:32:03for the one mean witch who tells her to

1:32:05how you can even fly haha

1:32:07and then she leaves and that's it she's

1:32:09just kind of stuck up

1:32:11yeah yeah and that that's an example of

1:32:13the bed up

1:32:14I'm I tell fortunes about now you're not

1:32:17a good actor that kid is not going to

1:32:18know did you see that cat is a whole

1:32:23freakin movie memorized

1:32:24yeah I've seen that 1a lot of times i

1:32:27should get what you mentioned you there

1:32:29the the witch in the woods and like you

1:32:31mean janeane garofalo

1:32:32yeah yeah yeah that's yeah what's up its

1:32:38time but she did a good job she did sure

1:32:40and doesn't it's not drawn like her so

1:32:42it's not the worst when that's not Dario

1:32:44American celebrity and it's drawn like

1:32:47the right character as they want to do

1:32:49disney think that was yeah or the

1:32:51DreamWorks

1:32:53worst all right there was this great

1:32:56thank you for staying up to end up and

1:32:58making sure that there's a show this

1:32:59week

1:33:00sho enough

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