The Incomparable

84: Wind is the Enemy

 

  ok [TS]

  the incomparable podcast number 84 [TS]

  market 2012 we're back on the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I am Jason Snelling [TS]

  your host and i'm joined by a single [TS]

  guest this time it is John siracusa hi [TS]

  John [TS]

  hello Jason we are here to talk about [TS]

  the films of one particular director and [TS]

  the it is heiio miyazaki the Japanese [TS]

  director of animated films many of which [TS]

  are near and dear to our hearts so we [TS]

  thought we would take some time and and [TS]

  we've been running up to this because we [TS]

  did our children's film episode where we [TS]

  talked about this a little bit and in [TS]

  the in the draft of films John [TS]

  specifically avoided drafting miyazaki [TS]

  movies and I had one of my own honorable [TS]

  mention but I didn't draft any anyway [TS]

  but you may you may or may not i mean [TS]

  he's kind of a cult figure right i mean [TS]

  the people who know him really know him [TS]

  and love him and then there's lots of [TS]

  people I think who quite sadly have no [TS]

  idea who this guy is and he's actually [TS]

  one of the great figures in animated [TS]

  film history [TS]

  yeah I'm kind of disappointed in our [TS]

  crop of nerds that I thought there would [TS]

  be more miyazaki nerds even you were not [TS]

  a miyazaki nerd you had seen some and [TS]

  like them but you have to do a bunch of [TS]

  homework for this episode to go back and [TS]

  watch the newcomers I thought for sure [TS]

  they would be a better representation in [TS]

  the incomparable crew of people who are [TS]

  really into anime or no miyazaki is but [TS]

  it looks like it was just me and then [TS]

  you as the person who was willing to [TS]

  well as the host as the host I am always [TS]

  up for well that's not true there are [TS]

  some things that I'm not going to the [TS]

  research on but in this I was happy to [TS]

  do it because a couple of his movies are [TS]

  among my favorite movies of all time and [TS]

  ones that i love watching with my kids [TS]

  and so I was happy to explore further [TS]

  but it's true i'm sure there are some [TS]

  listeners out there who cannot believe [TS]

  that we couldn't chin up a third or [TS]

  fourth guest for this episode but I [TS]

  figured at this point you know between [TS]

  the two of us to to survey this guy's [TS]

  career when we're talking about miyazaki [TS]

  with what does he have like nine feature [TS]

  film [TS]

  so there's a lot to talk about i think [TS]

  we could probably go film by film and [TS]

  talk about them a little bit and [TS]

  honestly i think that that we could take [TS]

  one or two of these movies and spend a [TS]

  full hour just on them so between the [TS]

  two of us you can you can go you can go [TS]

  with a deep knowledge or i guess the [TS]

  broad knowledge of his career and I can [TS]

  go deep with a few films and then I can [TS]

  chime in on a few others but so so where [TS]

  should we start hehe miyazaki actually [TS]

  did some some comics some manga before [TS]

  he he started doing films right that's [TS]

  one thing I don't know about i'm not a [TS]

  miyazaki historian and i followed his [TS]

  career from so my understanding is that [TS]

  NASA is actually based among get that he [TS]

  working out yeah a lot of his movies are [TS]

  based on works that are not his so he's [TS]

  right one of those people who have to [TS]

  write everything that he creates or [TS]

  originated the intellectual property as [TS]

  we now called right right and he's also [TS]

  got some interesting at these films are [TS]

  fascinated me the first the first movie [TS]

  of his that I saw was actually spirited [TS]

  away which won the Oscar for Best [TS]

  Animated Feature and that is a that is a [TS]

  really strange movie and I remember [TS]

  seeing it and thinking parts of this are [TS]

  really beautiful and then there are [TS]

  things that happen in the plot that I i [TS]

  just got the distinct feeling that [TS]

  despite all of the presumably careful [TS]

  translation that went into the movie in [TS]

  making it for an english-speaking [TS]

  audience that the that they were massive [TS]

  cultural gaps that I could not [TS]

  understand that and I kept thinking to [TS]

  myself I'm sure what I just saw it made [TS]

  sense to people in Japan but i have no [TS]

  idea what is going to happen now like [TS]

  took things that happen completely out [TS]

  of the blue at which I actually love I [TS]

  mean there's some scenes in there that [TS]

  that I wear it in spirited away where [TS]

  there's that what the the faceless the [TS]

  no-face guy and he ends up like vomiting [TS]

  everything its he's eaten and and I [TS]

  thought well sure of course that would [TS]

  happen he there's like a slug that gets [TS]

  thrown up and mph at and it just it was [TS]

  so weird and and so I didn't watch any [TS]

  other movies of his for a while because [TS]

  that is a very strange movie I do [TS]

  have you watched any anime and your [TS]

  sordid past of being a teen comic book [TS]

  nerd so whatever [TS]

  no I am completely anime layered beyond [TS]

  the beyond the American a Americanized [TS]

  version of i guess it was a battleship [TS]

  yamato but its star Blazers basically [TS]

  with the only i'm only anime that I ever [TS]

  at that I ever saw and so when I saw [TS]

  spirited away I was like whoa this is [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  that's so so when you watch a lot of [TS]

  anime or I'll up you tend to get steeped [TS]

  in Japanese culture without even knowing [TS]

  you are because you don't know where [TS]

  these things come from but once you see [TS]

  the same type of thing in 20 different [TS]

  and you're like that must be a thing is [TS]

  surely these 20 different people aren't [TS]

  didn't arrive at this strange thing that [TS]

  strange to me as a westerner on their [TS]

  own and so by the time spirited away [TS]

  comes along if like me you spent here [TS]

  teen years watching all the anime you [TS]

  could find at speedway seems i mean i'm [TS]

  not going to say it's not weird it is [TS]

  weird but it's kind of like the same [TS]

  kind of weird that are used as [TS]

  consistent it [TS]

  yeah and within the realm of anime i [TS]

  would say that like if if you have never [TS]

  seen a movie before and then you saw I [TS]

  don't get to pick a director I gotta [TS]

  terrence malick Quentin Tarantino's I [TS]

  gave if there is something you know [TS]

  there are directors and his films and [TS]

  then there are the ones that we put up [TS]

  on pedestals these great directors or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  anime is similar there's anime that's [TS]

  you know those Michael Bay anime to come [TS]

  to put it bluntly I and and then [TS]

  miyazaki is definitely one of those big [TS]

  names in Scorsese's the coppola he's [TS]

  right [TS]

  even the the quentin tarantino sometimes [TS]

  kind of all rolled into one so although [TS]

  i was a big anime fan when i was a teen [TS]

  as i got older i came to narrow my [TS]

  appreciation of Japanese animation so [TS]

  why I only want the good stuff kinda [TS]

  like you with the with watchman i just [TS]

  listened to that watchman episode where [TS]

  you said that after watch men you're [TS]

  like why why am i bothering with this [TS]

  yeah well read this crap because like [TS]

  look at the watchman showed how it's [TS]

  done and anything doesn't live up to [TS]

  that standard seems like I'm wasting my [TS]

  time [TS]

  so once I discovered this video jibley [TS]

  movies and miyazaki and discovered this [TS]

  little little [TS]

  tiny sliver as it isn't all media of [TS]

  really really great japanese animation i [TS]

  became much less interested in the more [TS]

  sort of schlocky stuff right and i'm [TS]

  sure i mean i-i don't wanna say anything [TS]

  negative about anime fans because I'm [TS]

  sure there's a lot of really cool stuff [TS]

  out there but i do get the sense that uh [TS]

  it can be well as an outsider I find [TS]

  that kind of off-putting right there's [TS]

  so much detail and people who know about [TS]

  this stuff and and so when I say we're [TS]

  spending an hour talking about a [TS]

  japanese animation director I know that [TS]

  might even come across as being kind of [TS]

  like really esoteric and I think that's [TS]

  the the primary point i wanted to get [TS]

  across in this episode is you know [TS]

  Miyazaki's got some stuff that's that's [TS]

  more out there but he's got some he's [TS]

  he's made some movies especially for [TS]

  kids that i would put up against any any [TS]

  movie made animated appropriate for [TS]

  children in the history of film he you [TS]

  know it's it is like you said he's not [TS]

  only a master of the anime shandra but [TS]

  he somebody who who really transcends it [TS]

  and that people who've never seen like [TS]

  me who've never been swimming in in [TS]

  anime can really appreciate the work [TS]

  he's done because it is remarkable some [TS]

  of the films are really transcended and [TS]

  once you've seen his work you watch [TS]

  other movies of his I've been doing it [TS]

  winding up you know my research for this [TS]

  episode and you will as with a great [TS]

  director you begin to see his style [TS]

  everywhere it in in his work and his [TS]

  influence and other work which is [TS]

  actually great so you know don't if you [TS]

  haven't seen miyazaki's movies we're [TS]

  going to talk about them but you should [TS]

  see them they're really good [TS]

  yeah and I think that that the the [TS]

  strangest of Japanese culture is kind of [TS]

  a barrier it it's maybe kind of like [TS]

  someone who hasn't read a lot of [TS]

  superhero comics and being able to [TS]

  appreciate the watchman because the [TS]

  watchman is in like a typical superhero [TS]

  comic but it really really helps to have [TS]

  a background in superhero comics to [TS]

  fully appreciated and so you don't get [TS]

  like put off by the things that are [TS]

  weird but that are not weird if you just [TS]

  soaked in superhero comics for four [TS]

  decades [TS]

  alright so something a lot of people i [TS]

  know we'll see Studio Ghibli movie or [TS]

  means [TS]

  documentary any kind of anime and our [TS]

  and can't get past the things they don't [TS]

  understand whether the japanese cultural [TS]

  things and make things are simply [TS]

  different standards and what we think [TS]

  it's appropriate to show two children or [TS]

  how you should be structured they can't [TS]

  get like they're looking at it they're [TS]

  expecting it to be like a Disney movie [TS]

  or even like a Pixar movie and I would [TS]

  say that miyazaki's movies as well see [TS]

  when we discuss them are so far from [TS]

  being like a Disney movie and they're [TS]

  far from being a Pixar movie they do not [TS]

  have any interest in the formula for [TS]

  american western movies for adults or [TS]

  children yeah they are structured [TS]

  differently the characters active and [TS]

  leave things happen there are different [TS]

  and it's sometimes difficult people to [TS]

  get a grip on ethnic and sometimes [TS]

  things happen [TS]

  I mean this is and this is my thought [TS]

  while watching spirited away again [TS]

  was I my wife and I watched that movie [TS]

  and am I turned to her and after this [TS]

  one scene which is something i think it [TS]

  might have been the vomiting it was [TS]

  something was something like that the [TS]

  stink spirit that enters the bathhouse I [TS]

  think it was the stink spirit and [TS]

  everybody's like oh its distinct spirit [TS]

  that it's here in the bathhouse and i [TS]

  turned my wife and I say of course right [TS]

  and and really it's that moment of like [TS]

  going with it just like I'm sure that [TS]

  there's a reason why this makes sense i [TS]

  have no idea what it is [TS]

  we'll just go with it you know and I [TS]

  love that it's kind of there are plot [TS]

  twist that happen in miyazaki movies [TS]

  that are that i love because i cannot [TS]

  anticipate them because all of my [TS]

  programming and as you said all of my [TS]

  Hollywood movie plot point programming [TS]

  fails and its crew actually it's great [TS]

  it's great to go wow I had no idea that [TS]

  would happen and you're completely [TS]

  unbored from what you realize it's kind [TS]

  of track that you've been on your on [TS]

  your honor on on the rails and you're [TS]

  moving through the plot and then with [TS]

  miyazaki realized that that you're not [TS]

  it's not really no there is no track [TS]

  it's a big open greenfield and you're [TS]

  lost in it yeah I i was feel that that [TS]

  Westerners get more of a kick out of [TS]

  miyazaki than even the Japanese because [TS]

  a lot of things that are boring and [TS]

  normal and expected in Japanese culture [TS]

  are exotic and strange to us [TS]

  you're like wow what that how could you [TS]

  come up with that idea and it's some [TS]

  sort of Japanese tradition for 300 years [TS]

  old that everyone in Japan knows about [TS]

  and it's not interesting to their eyes [TS]

  just like you know what I have all their [TS]

  washing the floors by holding little [TS]

  things and running with their little [TS]

  feet behind it like it's an interesting [TS]

  i'm now we came up with that like well [TS]

  couple centuries of Japanese culture [TS]

  brought that about [TS]

  yeah alright so i should be fun we [TS]

  should dive into one of ya so that his [TS]

  his first feature in the in the studio [TS]

  ghibli Cayman is naka of the valley of [TS]

  the wind from 1984 which is a nice post [TS]

  apocalyptic fantasy patrick stewart is [TS]

  the first voice we hear you know you're [TS]

  going to talk about the very act of this [TS]

  we do ya discussion dubbed vs sub well [TS]

  remember a brief moment on this so yes [TS]

  we should you watch the dubbed version [TS]

  of all these I i did I watched dubbed [TS]

  version even though in some cases i had [TS]

  access to the subtitled version i am a [TS]

  i'm a savage and also many of them i [TS]

  watch with my kids and it was really not [TS]

  an option to show that the the subtitle [TS]

  version so the reason most japanese [TS]

  animation fans dislike dub so much is [TS]

  that historically the people doing the [TS]

  dubbing or not talented and not numerous [TS]

  not numbers mean they have like one guy [TS]

  three voices in a movie and because they [TS]

  didn't really care you read the lines [TS]

  try to put something into it whatever we [TS]

  could have done after this we could have [TS]

  reached the voice of another character [TS]

  and had a four-person project [TS]

  yeah I call lots and that for the [TS]

  miyazaki movies though they were [TS]

  acquired by disney and everyone who's an [TS]

  animator worships miyazaki of the [TS]

  current generation of animators and so [TS]

  the deal was structured such that they [TS]

  couldn't touch the frame of the movies [TS]

  is understanding the content frame of [TS]

  the movies right so they couldn't chop [TS]

  it up into little pieces and the dubbing [TS]

  has been done with basically a-list [TS]

  actor so you talk about who who is a [TS]

  wife and pull of this page before I [TS]

  started this but who is voicing [TS]

  not Monica you've got Patrick Stewart [TS]

  that's not bad for a voice [TS]

  uma Thurman tile above isn't it actually [TS]

  chris sarandon from the princess bride [TS]

  is an edward james olmos and of course [TS]

  mark hamill is the mayor [TS]

  yeah its finest Joker from Batman so [TS]

  they're not skimping on the voiceovers a [TS]

  but that the one the one other reason i [TS]

  think most people who are into japanese [TS]

  animation won't admit why they like the [TS]

  listening to the Japanese is a side if [TS]

  they think they like they like learning [TS]

  japanese and it's interesting time for [TS]

  them to learn a foreign language and [TS]

  picking up words and phrases is because [TS]

  when I'm Westerners watch a an animated [TS]

  movie in Japanese they don't know and [TS]

  honestly don't know Japanese they can't [TS]

  tell when the acting is terrible and so [TS]

  they imagine that the acting and the [TS]

  dialogue is much better than it actually [TS]

  is [TS]

  sometimes it is great and is much better [TS]

  in fact almost all the time it is better [TS]

  than the dubs but in the ability to do [TS]

  not it and it's free because you're like [TS]

  well that the line could have been [TS]

  delivered terribly but i don't know what [TS]

  the worst words just me so I have to [TS]

  read the subtitles and then you're at [TS]

  the mercy of the person doing the [TS]

  subtitling which is also an issue right [TS]

  and the second reason is that when [TS]

  they've doubled it into English they [TS]

  tend to add stuff almost never remove [TS]

  the ad stuff and if you should try this [TS]

  experiment for a couple sections of the [TS]

  movie they will add usually expository [TS]

  dialogue that does not exist in the [TS]

  movie often when no characters on screen [TS]

  because they can't match it up with [TS]

  mouth movements because there's no no [TS]

  audio here at all and they're putting [TS]

  the exposition in there to try to [TS]

  explain to American audiences what the [TS]

  heck is going on something they wouldn't [TS]

  have to explain to Japanese audiences [TS]

  like oh this is the temple of whatever [TS]

  or this is where the spirits that were [TS]

  you know something that's like obvious [TS]

  to anyone in Japan and that kind of [TS]

  exposition is extremely grading to [TS]

  people who are you know it imagine they [TS]

  took your favorite movie just added a [TS]

  bunch of texts nothing worse than and [TS]

  expositions like it's okay just stop [TS]

  stop talking we know what this is and [TS]

  for someone who watches a lot of [TS]

  animation room Japan we know this stuff [TS]

  to we don't want those extra lines at [TS]

  its all these movies are filled with [TS]

  every all the ones that you watching the [TS]

  dubs and these are the some of the best [TS]

  dubs available anywhere good acting good [TS]

  effort generally an effort to be true to [TS]

  the spirit of the original lines and not [TS]

  a direct translation but anime nerds [TS]

  tend to like subtitles literal [TS]

  translations know adding of any words [TS]

  see I think that's a that's a high bar [TS]

  for for watching us that as a you know [TS]

  and and normally I would I mean I would [TS]

  always choose a in a live-action movie i [TS]

  would always choose the the subtitles [TS]

  over a dub I i feel like with with [TS]

  animation sense there is there's a [TS]

  degree of matching of the dialogue but [TS]

  you know it isn't it isn't an actor who [TS]

  spoke those lines at that time or or is [TS]

  looping their lines exactly it is you [TS]

  know an animation track that's recorded [TS]

  and then the air the audio track and [TS]

  then the animation happens so it's a [TS]

  little bit artificial so I feel like [TS]

  it's not that far removed as a as [TS]

  somebody who is not well versed in this [TS]

  stuff having those little bits of [TS]

  exposition probably helped me understand [TS]

  it and also i have to admit the miyazaki [TS]

  movies have have generally good dub [TS]

  tracks right like you said with with [TS]

  good actors and I i would rather watch [TS]

  the you know watch the animation then be [TS]

  distracted by having to stop looking at [TS]

  what's happening on screen in order to [TS]

  read and go back and forth that said i [TS]

  will probably go back and watch these [TS]

  movies it with the subtitles but as a [TS]

  first watch I really wanted to just have [TS]

  the experience of watching them and and [TS]

  not have to read the subtitles to go [TS]

  along with it but and if you and if you [TS]

  see these things enough times I think [TS]

  you'll be shocked to see [TS]

  wait isn't a dialogue during this [TS]

  section that's long sections long [TS]

  sections where there is no dialogue at [TS]

  all and it's so weird because very [TS]

  rarely in live-action like if you see a [TS]

  foreign live-action movie [TS]

  very rarely do they insert a bunch of [TS]

  English dialogue where there was no no [TS]

  lines at all from the actress because [TS]

  they happen to be off-screen huh [TS]

  interested and it's not eat they do a [TS]

  good job in these movies but large [TS]

  sections of the movies there is no one [TS]

  talking about anything and they just the [TS]

  plot advances by them showing pictures [TS]

  on the screen so when Master yuba [TS]

  emerges from the from the the horrible [TS]

  plague and we hear that he's patrick [TS]

  stewart or in your version great [TS]

  japanese actor Goro nya but I guess [TS]

  thank you wikipedia uh-huh [TS]

  anyway so that we should we should get [TS]

  on with with not [TS]

  which is I was surprised by it is this [TS]

  apocalyptic adventure story with what is [TS]

  that there's this there's this the toxic [TS]

  jungle the sea of decay that is [TS]

  destroying everything we're in like the [TS]

  far future and there's the apocalypse [TS]

  and and there's a princess of course [TS]

  who's like a fighter princess and I i [TS]

  was surprised by this movie I was my [TS]

  wife and i watch this without the kids [TS]

  it was a it's a it's it's really a crazy [TS]

  action movie more than anything else is [TS]

  not yet and and think consider this out [TS]

  you're saying this is his first movie I [TS]

  don't know about his history to say [TS]

  whether his first tooth he did movies [TS]

  before I think studio ghibli was formed [TS]

  proper I think they called consider this [TS]

  the first in the cannon right and and it [TS]

  really is like especially for someone [TS]

  who had seen kiki's delivery service in [TS]

  total it's not gonna watch a miyazaki [TS]

  movie probably weren't expecting like at [TS]

  a blockbuster action movie structured [TS]

  pretty conventionally from from the you [TS]

  know looking at the whole of his work [TS]

  you know it's it is like an action movie [TS]

  like where is this coming from is this [TS]

  and this is not like he eventually [TS]

  developed into making these big giant [TS]

  action movies not right out of the gate [TS]

  like it you know with his first official [TS]

  studio ghibli movie it is it you can [TS]

  imagine this as a Hollywood movie only [TS]

  of course you wouldn't have a female [TS]

  protagonist and the the plot would be [TS]

  different but like this threat this this [TS]

  post-apocalyptic world this giant [TS]

  insects there's battles there's Army's [TS]

  all that stuff like where is this the [TS]

  guy who made totoro the big floating [TS]

  teddy bear thing it's not the same got [TS]

  up at the end of the reason I wanted you [TS]

  to see this and a couple other ones too [TS]

  is that in many respects when I look at [TS]

  his work it seems like he's really made [TS]

  this exact same movie several time that [TS]

  without without with minor variations i [TS]

  think just a little bit that you've [TS]

  watched you can kinda see that in it [TS]

  ok it is and it is a different thread of [TS]

  his work he makes these movies that are [TS]

  smaller and quieter and quote unquote [TS]

  for kids [TS]

  this one was like four teenagers and not [TS]

  quite a lot smaller explosions there's [TS]

  guns there's blood this gut says [TS]

  everything [TS]

  yeah it's um it it reminded me you're [TS]

  right it was very different from the [TS]

  movies [TS]

  his that I had seen before it didn't put [TS]

  me in the mind of the you know extremely [TS]

  limited other kinds of Japanese [TS]

  animation that I've seen that were more [TS]

  of the action variety and I and I [TS]

  started to theorize as I was watching it [TS]

  you know maybe this is director who kind [TS]

  of went in the other direction a little [TS]

  bits and sort of like started with [TS]

  things that were more the usual subject [TS]

  matter and then you know and then kind [TS]

  of rebelled and did things that were [TS]

  very very different from these kind of [TS]

  sci-fi adventure stories but uh you know [TS]

  it was fun it was a lot of fun I mean [TS]

  there's the the the princess and she's [TS]

  got her she's got her like little flying [TS]

  machine right wing yeah yeah which is [TS]

  pretty cool and there's create the crazy [TS]

  giant bugs though move that that just [TS]

  kind of like they go on a rampage and [TS]

  made you know III they they come out of [TS]

  the out of the the jungle and they just [TS]

  keep running until you i guess like [TS]

  soothe them in some so I so I could be [TS]

  soothed admit they're ok strange even [TS]

  the subject matter see though it seems [TS]

  like to you that it is very similar to [TS]

  the typical anime subject matter [TS]

  post-apocalyptic world we are weird [TS]

  creature is fighting he treats me [TS]

  Rockies all of his movies are there's a [TS]

  definite flavor to them two totally [TS]

  separate them in my mind away from other [TS]

  anime and similar subject matter you can [TS]

  tell the second just just the way he [TS]

  treats the story and the characters and [TS]

  and how it's all built on us now but I [TS]

  don't think I'm spoiling anything for [TS]

  anyone who's an adult is going to watch [TS]

  this movie but like that and this this [TS]

  is a sequence you see many other things [TS]

  where there's an introduction to the [TS]

  world and then there's a credit sequence [TS]

  and I love his beautiful credit [TS]

  sequences where they will usually [TS]

  through still images or murals or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  show some sort of like and here's the [TS]

  world you're entering into and as you [TS]

  know the credits roll over this musical [TS]

  score and it says like here's this world [TS]

  there was a world and then this these [TS]

  big Giants came along who have heads the [TS]

  top of which shaped like ballistic [TS]

  missiles hint hint everybody [TS]

  yeah and then the world ends and then [TS]

  you know that there's just these legends [TS]

  that you know that really show that [TS]

  being able to get that is a thing that [TS]

  he loves to do and it is pretty [TS]

  effective [TS]

  and that's kind of like your [TS]

  introduction to this world in any the [TS]

  entire movie is kind of a lot of his [TS]

  movies are like this i have a pretty [TS]

  simple message but they're delivered in [TS]

  a way that smuggles that message and [TS]

  much better than say like Wally like a [TS]

  you we should really put the earth like [TS]

  this one is basically hey we should [TS]

  really put the earth and we shouldn't [TS]

  kill each other with nuclear weapons [TS]

  beautiful poison yours for generations [TS]

  in order but as well as a younger kid [TS]

  when I first saw this I was fascinated [TS]

  by the sci-fi story like wow that would [TS]

  be like if the earth was totally [TS]

  wearable totally destroyed it was like [TS]

  2,000 years after that reason but you [TS]

  know some people are still around how [TS]

  would they live it we like medieval it [TS]

  was kind of like or where they have [TS]

  technology and what kind of creatures [TS]

  would be prowling around within this [TS]

  world but they do have this you know [TS]

  flying message about can't we all just [TS]

  get along and don't poison the earth and [TS]

  don't be mean to the bugs and stuff like [TS]

  that but these characters and and the [TS]

  way they live and relate to each other [TS]

  in particular the way the protagonist [TS]

  like her path through the story is very [TS]

  very unlike anything in western movies [TS]

  like when you have a princess and a [TS]

  western movie she does not follow the [TS]

  plot arc this character follows in this [TS]

  movie [TS]

  definitely not this is the male lead [TS]

  role she's a hero [TS]

  she fights things she saves people but [TS]

  she does it in a way that's not male [TS]

  testosterone or whatever she's like [TS]

  she's like a pacifist hero like if we [TS]

  ever talk about return of the jedi we [TS]

  can discuss loser after all that she [TS]

  wants to go she finds the baby right she [TS]

  saves the babydome yeah that's like [TS]

  she's defending and she's helping the [TS]

  terrorists home baby yeah yeah and you [TS]

  know and cheap she fights but she also [TS]

  has you know typically stereotypical [TS]

  female sensibilities like I don't kill [TS]

  the baby bug you know and it this this [TS]

  also will talk about the other movies [TS]

  who is the enemy in this movie who is [TS]

  the antagonist [TS]

  well isn't the i mean it's like the the [TS]

  people with the guns right [TS]

  basically it's legal it's the soldiers [TS]

  in the government [TS]

  yeah it's not the Bugs know but they're [TS]

  things that kill everybody or whatever [TS]

  it's the people fighting each other but [TS]

  every person who's fighting each other [TS]

  for the most part is given a legitimate [TS]

  motivation for doing so who's who's the [TS]

  real enemy hear that though the woman [TS]

  who was horribly mangled by the insect [TS]

  you [TS]

  clearly understand her motivation she's [TS]

  not a cartoon the the the Sioux City's [TS]

  their warring with each other and let [TS]

  the bugs over on their own city so they [TS]

  can get the enemy there you know what [TS]

  everyone has some yeah but you can [TS]

  easily we're doing [TS]

  you definitely read it is the people in [TS]

  the valley are are being invaded by [TS]

  these more militaristic people who don't [TS]

  you know who don't get it and that's the [TS]

  kind of we like why can't we just get [TS]

  along and they're the ones who you know [TS]

  the bugs do a lot of damage but the bugs [TS]

  are kinda egged on by these by the kind [TS]

  of militaristic people who invade the [TS]

  little peaceful peaceful valley that's [TS]

  trying to just get along and survive and [TS]

  and and they lose their innocence when [TS]

  the giant flying airship thing crashes [TS]

  and and no you see it you see another [TS]

  princess the other princesses briefly on [TS]

  screen what happens to the princess you [TS]

  see here briefly she's in Chains and use [TS]

  you have you see the main character see [TS]

  that she's so badly injured that she's [TS]

  going to die and then she dies [TS]

  yeah not quite the same type of screen [TS]

  treatment that princess to get in disney [TS]

  movies no no said you liked this one how [TS]

  do you rate this one at this is this was [TS]

  the first miyazaki movie I saw I saw it [TS]

  when I was very young and I made a huge [TS]

  impact on me even after all the anime [TS]

  I'd seen I I didn't know enough about [TS]

  anything really because there was no [TS]

  internet to know what why I like [TS]

  japanese animation so much but i but I [TS]

  could pick out that among japanese [TS]

  animation this one was different i had [TS]

  no idea who made it or what it was or [TS]

  anything like that i'm like there's [TS]

  something different about this one and [TS]

  that sensibility I just grabbed onto now [TS]

  in his cannon it's not one of my [TS]

  favorite favorite movies but there are [TS]

  certain aspects of that I really loved [TS]

  by a lot of my love anime acid was [TS]

  visual design and character design i [TS]

  really loved the world that He has [TS]

  created there i love the bugs I love the [TS]

  wing yeah that that whole that the way [TS]

  the airplanes look that stuff goes a [TS]

  long way from me just the art and the [TS]

  imagining of this place and the plot is [TS]

  one of his more conventional plots at [TS]

  that he's repeats many different times [TS]

  but i still enjoy it and it's and it's [TS]

  for some reason I had no problem showing [TS]

  this movie to my fairly young kids even [TS]

  though it's filled with blood and things [TS]

  dying stuff because I think all the [TS]

  violence in this movie is handled in a [TS]

  way that I think it should be handled [TS]

  you know like it's not it's not [TS]

  glorified it's not gratuitous there are [TS]

  consequences for all of it and the main [TS]

  character is against it basically right [TS]

  so we should move on to castle in the [TS]

  sky which is next [TS]

  chronologically yeah 1986 also referred [TS]

  to as at what a la la puta por la ayude [TS]

  they pronounce it differently than you [TS]

  would actually pronounce it and because [TS]

  it's I think it's a reference to [TS]

  Jonathan Swift yes but then that means [TS]

  something really bad and in Spanish [TS]

  which is jonathan swift intended but i'm [TS]

  not sure [TS]

  nice ahi this is the reverse this is [TS]

  Western culture get him getting put [TS]

  through the grinder then coming back [TS]

  it's like a game of telephone yeah it's [TS]

  wacky but just a mean castle mr. i [TS]

  really liked this 1i I like this a lot [TS]

  this is this is a and this one is stuck [TS]

  with me longer actually then then the [TS]

  nautica did the you know the the the [TS]

  there's a while plus there's like [TS]

  Zeppelin's right that's true well if you [TS]

  think of the opening this movie this is [TS]

  nausea go alright take to know it opens [TS]

  with the action scene that is a credit [TS]

  sequence with music showing a bunch of [TS]

  images explaining that how the world got [TS]

  to the state you're going to see it and [TS]

  then there's this big adventure and you [TS]

  know it is very much an adventure movie [TS]

  an action movie I and very different [TS]

  than the typical kids movies i gave [TS]

  think of all the things that happened to [TS]

  these kids first of all this the the [TS]

  main character parts who it was [TS]

  he's living on his own he has no parents [TS]

  but that's not that's not a big deal [TS]

  it's like yeah of course he's just like [TS]

  he's got a job yeah he's working there [TS]

  is a princess type character who is more [TS]

  of the typical princess type thing but [TS]

  one of my favorite that one of the [TS]

  things that sticks with in this movie on [TS]

  my favorite part is that in the very [TS]

  opening you have what's the girl's name [TS]

  actually remember [TS]

  yeah she that is a escaping from these [TS]

  people who look like a fairy's [TS]

  government people whatever inches on the [TS]

  outside of this thing i think was an [TS]

  airship wasn't it yes well it's yeah [TS]

  it's an airship alright and she's and [TS]

  they're trying to get her whatever and [TS]

  chief she slips and falls supposed to [TS]

  presumably to read it properly [TS]

  your death then they roll the credits [TS]

  and the credits show you know that [TS]

  people made this technology that made [TS]

  these floating things makes loads than [TS]

  all the Crashdown the people came out [TS]

  and they're back to being farmers right [TS]

  so after that Christ sequences first of [TS]

  all the shocking thing of like here's [TS]

  our princess girl very important [TS]

  she's falling to her death that's how [TS]

  you open a kids movie right and and we [TS]

  haven't been introduced any characters [TS]

  that are going to swoop in and save her [TS]

  halfway there is no like Superman it's [TS]

  not a Superman movie there's no [TS]

  assumption that she's going to live [TS]

  after the credits over what did they cut [TS]

  back to the girl she's still falling [TS]

  just in case you're wondering if he's [TS]

  unconscious she's falling to her death [TS]

  let's follow her now with the camera as [TS]

  she falls through death which is [TS]

  unbelievably audacious I think too i [TS]

  mean even an action movie you wouldn't [TS]

  roll the credits and then now in [TS]

  progress we just we don't want her to [TS]

  die off camera even in what is that [TS]

  movie The Good Shepherd where they throw [TS]

  the woman out of the plane with her [TS]

  bride bridal soon on sorry if I spoiled [TS]

  that for anybody [TS]

  they don't show her falling like that [TS]

  you see her from the plane audio soon [TS]

  well she's going to Dinah they cut back [TS]

  to and the girls still falling to her [TS]

  death and she's unconscious and she's [TS]

  going headfirst and here she is [TS]

  and of course you know she doesn't [TS]

  actually died but house is how the rest [TS]

  of the week was out that's an amazing [TS]

  amazing sequence that I could never [TS]

  imagine a Western director doing the [TS]

  rest of the movie much more conventional [TS]

  except for perhaps if you watch the [TS]

  original you know if you watch the [TS]

  japanese version of how the the pirate [TS]

  mother isn't everything that all sorts [TS]

  of inappropriate strange maybe it was [TS]

  also because it was the eighties non-pc [TS]

  interactions of that group of pirates [TS]

  that's what I i read i'm on wikipedia [TS]

  although what I wanted to say is there's [TS]

  actually something else very funny that [TS]

  happens in the opening of castle in the [TS]

  sky which is that you've got the pirate [TS]

  it's a pirate attack on the airship and [TS]

  you think the Pirates are bad except [TS]

  she's actually being held captive it [TS]

  turns out by the people who are on the [TS]

  airship she doesn't like them either but [TS]

  your setup to feel like you this pirate [TS]

  attack and they're trying to grab her [TS]

  her her jewel and then she falls to her [TS]

  death and you're thinking those pirates [TS]

  are bad was about those are bad pirates [TS]

  are bad guys which is totally not true [TS]

  well is it then don't they never have [TS]

  the scene where it's like okay I return [TS]

  ice got like the Pirates still have [TS]

  their mercenary motivation hallway [TS]

  through their true [TS]

  themselves that there isn't but their [TS]

  honor when pirates yeah kind of [TS]

  honorable but also kind of shady and not [TS]

  really fuzzy and kind of like all sharks [TS]

  we all love you pirates you know it's [TS]

  clear who's on different teams and the [TS]

  government guys is the most people can [TS]

  surprise you want to take over the world [TS]

  with this super powerful weapon or [TS]

  whatever but you know no one is is [TS]

  they're not bending over backwards to [TS]

  make anyone cuddly right now the leader [TS]

  of the Pirates is still graph the whole [TS]

  way through and pods and innocent little [TS]

  boy he is the whole way through yeah [TS]

  this is this is very not a lot of [TS]

  character development this movie much [TS]

  more of an action rollercoaster I think [TS]

  now it goes a stronger movie just [TS]

  because there are character arcs and [TS]

  people you know do it's the how they are [TS]

  starting the movie the things they [TS]

  thought they were capable of doing [TS]

  by the end of the movie they've grown [TS]

  whereas in this movie know they kind of [TS]

  going and eventually discover [TS]

  interesting things and and eventually [TS]

  tried to help of others but it but it's [TS]

  a great adventure though but you're [TS]

  right as much of a story of a character [TS]

  arc i love the robot in your robot [TS]

  orgasm is too that's again the character [TS]

  design and just the way you know because [TS]

  that's that [TS]

  that is some amazing stuff there is just [TS]

  sort of this mournful incredibly [TS]

  powerful strange-looking thing my kids [TS]

  were very affected by the fact when we [TS]

  meet the first robot which is there to [TS]

  protect her and it does protect her and [TS]

  it dies it's destroyed [TS]

  although it is it guys several times [TS]

  because it keeps coming back to life and [TS]

  getting destroyed even more brutally [TS]

  until it's finally completely destroyed [TS]

  and I am my son was very sad that the [TS]

  robot died because the no I like that [TS]

  robot and is very he was very sad when [TS]

  the robot that fortunately they made [TS]

  many more of that terrible [TS]

  that's the thing with robots into my [TS]

  daughter for the lot was very effective [TS]

  but it probably showed this movie to her [TS]

  when she was too young but she for the [TS]

  longest time called this the robot movie [TS]

  that was the new school shoes concern i [TS]

  can see that room wanna see the robot [TS]

  movie what we talked about these movies [TS]

  with my kids and I were watching ponyo [TS]

  and and my son made reference to the one [TS]

  with a robot so it is just like every [TS]

  featured in this movie like it's not [TS]

  it's not in many seasons are no but it's [TS]

  such a great-looking character and of [TS]

  course it behaves honorably and is is [TS]

  it's very heroic and trying to protect [TS]

  the other characters [TS]

  from preserve the monarch yeah clapping [TS]

  a class system is accepted and it's [TS]

  moving don't know royalty [TS]

  he's like yes he's the he's the [TS]

  protector of the of the royalty of the [TS]

  of the floating city but I i love the [TS]

  yeah I love that robot look really great [TS]

  great-looking robot and I don't know I [TS]

  assume that it was an least partly an [TS]

  inspiration for the iron giant it may [TS]

  seem to have something in common i know [TS]

  that there was a book about the the book [TS]

  that the Iron Giant is based on was done [TS]

  in the sixties and I don't know if [TS]

  there's any relationship there but but [TS]

  when i see that with a robot and castle [TS]

  in the sky I that's immediately / god is [TS]

  that was very iron giant it's gotta be I [TS]

  mean he was not intentional just it's in [TS]

  it's in the water for the the animators [TS]

  of this generation [TS]

  yeah just did you felt like a very [TS]

  similar kind of really cool apparently [TS]

  on the the roof of the studio ghibli [TS]

  museum or whatever it is [TS]

  in Japan there say there's one of these [TS]

  guys is a robot now it's not protected [TS]

  yeah that's good big brother on the roof [TS]

  but it but I like this i have I thought [TS]

  it was a lot of fun it's just a really [TS]

  fun adventure and and I thought pretty [TS]

  well paced I didn't feel like it it had [TS]

  dragged at the end or anything I mean [TS]

  they got this crazy adventure inside the [TS]

  floating city where we just at one point [TS]

  is like falling apart and you know [TS]

  there's all this high-flying action [TS]

  because they've got you know it's all [TS]

  happening in the air and their the [TS]

  various airships and and although you're [TS]

  right i mean we have five flying action [TS]

  in Nazca to yeah i think this movie [TS]

  could wait forever Western director or [TS]

  studio did this they would have [TS]

  tightened it up there's a lot of like [TS]

  it's just gloriously flabby just [TS]

  everything is everyone gonna have a [TS]

  train scene we're gonna have this fight [TS]

  we're gonna have people you know chasing [TS]

  each other through kathy had a robot is [TS]

  destroying we're going you know [TS]

  yeah it's how much that they're like all [TS]

  right could we tighten this up maybe [TS]

  have an ARCA story here is really the [TS]

  story of like discovery of this the [TS]

  castle in the sky and her favorite [TS]

  people going after the jewel but there's [TS]

  just so much like we can do everything [TS]

  to do yet stupid a scene with the tree [TS]

  which is a great the train stuff is [TS]

  great but you're right it's like okay [TS]

  it's everything I didn't actually mean [TS]

  yeah that this movie I don't know it [TS]

  should have been tightened up but it [TS]

  would [TS]

  been tightened up I think it came out of [TS]

  Westminster but here you know they just [TS]

  said this is what he wants we're going [TS]

  to go with it and it's just kind of a a [TS]

  a giant fun ride [TS]

  well let's let's move onto 1988 and I [TS]

  the movie that i assume is it's got to [TS]

  be the most famous and most loved of his [TS]

  movies which is my neighbor totoro among [TS]

  Westerners maybe yeah wasn't this i [TS]

  thought this was like one of the biggest [TS]

  grossing movies involving all those 10 [TS]

  came out it was the biggest grossing [TS]

  movie spirited away came out it was the [TS]

  reason your hand alright so i think [TS]

  there's generally blood in Japan but [TS]

  yeah because it has something you can [TS]

  make into a stuffed animal i think yes [TS]

  it is under there are many totoro [TS]

  stuffed animals so my neighbor totoro is [TS]

  one of those two movies that I that I'm [TS]

  i mentioned earlier that I that I just [TS]

  love of his and one of the things i love [TS]

  about this movie and kiki's delivery [TS]

  service which we can talk about in a [TS]

  little bit because that's the next one [TS]

  up one of the things I love about these [TS]

  movies is that you've talked about ways [TS]

  that you wouldn't structure something if [TS]

  you were making a western movie for [TS]

  being a hollywood movie who is the [TS]

  antagonist in my I would go from 0 to [TS]

  what is the plot of this movie [TS]

  what is the plot of the plot of this [TS]

  movie is that girls have moved into a [TS]

  house because and their mother is sick [TS]

  and a hospital and their dad has to [TS]

  commute and they feel lonely and they [TS]

  want their mother to come home which is [TS]

  it about a plot like it to imagine if [TS]

  you have to write like the two sentence [TS]

  thing that used to fit in like the TV [TS]

  listings and taking yakety want to get [TS]

  out of the three sentences [TS]

  what's the three sentences or two [TS]

  sentences for total you can't do it [TS]

  you're like a giant creature be friends [TS]

  and like that's not what it's about yeah [TS]

  like you can't there's nothing you could [TS]

  write for this and that [TS]

  that's what what's so wonderful about [TS]

  this movie yeah I it [TS]

  totoro is probably it's it's close we [TS]

  can keep toner which is my favorite [TS]

  miyazaki movie which is probably [TS]

  surprising to someone who looks at the [TS]

  camera like Shirley like two big action [TS]

  movies or princess mononoke or which is [TS]

  like the fifth attempt to redo nas ago [TS]

  you know it says it happened it's not [TS]

  these movies [TS]

  ya have someting those other ones don't [TS]

  because that they everything maybe it's [TS]

  common in Japanese stuff i don't know [TS]

  enough about culture this is common but [TS]

  what what this movie is about when kids [TS]

  watching what it's about is a big fuzzy [TS]

  magic creature [TS]

  yes that does hilarious things that's [TS]

  crazy cat buses even kids recognize this [TS]

  is nuts right and it's just it's wacky [TS]

  everything that some wacky think it's [TS]

  like a Looney Tunes cartoon like they're [TS]

  in the house you're looking around these [TS]

  weird things in the house is something [TS]

  in the forest they have a bath it's [TS]

  windy outside what you know what [TS]

  but the kids are like poop you know that [TS]

  if you show this to most adults are [TS]

  teens are like what the house is some [TS]

  sort of Stuart stupid kids me or [TS]

  whatever but if you watch it and it like [TS]

  it connects with you which is definitely [TS]

  connected with me and you think about [TS]

  what the movie is actually about you [TS]

  I think that obviously connected with [TS]

  you because you were getting closer to [TS]

  like this movie is about kids who have a [TS]

  sick mother [TS]

  yes right no the antagonist in this [TS]

  movie is their mother's illness that's [TS]

  really yet but they do not like a no [TS]

  point did they say like it's not if you [TS]

  made a movie about kids have a second [TS]

  mother first you'd never make that movie [TS]

  I don't like a Disney types that you [TS]

  never get kids more like the whole point [TS]

  of the movies like live-action my mother [TS]

  is sick i'm sad and we've just been [TS]

  talking about how your mother is sick [TS]

  and you're upset but that's not how [TS]

  children work they don't relate to their [TS]

  feelings or things that are especially [TS]

  kids this age movie you know they don't [TS]

  relate to their situation in life in the [TS]

  way they would like it now a very [TS]

  special movie or 10 mins mother is so [TS]

  good at talking to tell me about they [TS]

  relate to it in a very very different [TS]

  way and this is something i get into [TS]

  with adults who watch this movie they [TS]

  say so what is like what is going on [TS]

  here and that is the real world or is [TS]

  totoro like magic why doesn't total help [TS]

  make their their mother better as total [TS]

  really there or is he just in the kids [TS]

  imagination at and like how do I like if [TS]

  the kids are just kids imagination has [TS]

  total help them find the kit but they it [TS]

  blows their mind but this is a perfect [TS]

  representation of the world the kids [TS]

  inhabit because the stress of having a [TS]

  sick mother and that like it manifests [TS]

  in children in very strange ways and [TS]

  it's not talked about it is not [TS]

  intellectualized and sort of discussed [TS]

  as a thing [TS]

  they go through their life hopefully [TS]

  with a loving parent which they have in [TS]

  this movie and this stuff just finds its [TS]

  way out in two different places with [TS]

  Toto sometimes scary but also sometimes [TS]

  comforting and sometimes helps them you [TS]

  know it get over things and and in the [TS]

  end with me running off try to go to her [TS]

  mother and getting lost that as a real [TS]

  things happen in the real world which by [TS]

  the way that's one of my favorite scenes [TS]

  from the movie that they're looking for [TS]

  majors a what if you like three in the [TS]

  movie or something she's lost and there [TS]

  are people in the rice paddy things with [TS]

  sticks waving the sticks around you [TS]

  don't find live children with sticks in [TS]

  water you know that's not what they and [TS]

  they find that they find a shoe and they [TS]

  think it might be hers and they think [TS]

  that she's drowned [TS]

  yeah and and this is that the plot of [TS]

  the movie girls second they find her [TS]

  know this is just these children's life [TS]

  it during a period of uncertainty about [TS]

  something that should be certain and [TS]

  everything you see the happen whether [TS]

  you decide that it's a real or it's not [TS]

  real is if you know this is this is what [TS]

  it's like to be a kid with the sick [TS]

  mother and it's really strange to say [TS]

  that a movie about what it's like to be [TS]

  good with the second mother has to [TS]

  involve giant magical fuzzy creatures [TS]

  and floating things and cat buses and [TS]

  but it really it really should it really [TS]

  does let mixture of be you know it's the [TS]

  it's the it's a fairytale on one level [TS]

  and kids are the ones who we tell fairy [TS]

  tales 2 i'm on another level it's I mean [TS]

  really the plot of this movie is that [TS]

  these girls lives change that because [TS]

  their mother is sick they have to move [TS]

  out to the country and their dad has to [TS]

  be a way because he has to take the bus [TS]

  to the University and it's a long way [TS]

  off and so they have to have a new house [TS]

  and they have a new school and they have [TS]

  this big tree outside their window the [TS]

  very things out there and yeah it's kind [TS]

  of scary but kind of fun at the same [TS]

  time like it you everything warning if [TS]

  you can connect to your own childhood [TS]

  memories are feelings you have from back [TS]

  and this is kind of what it's like [TS]

  they're everything is kind of scary and [TS]

  kind of fun and kind of uncertainty and [TS]

  nothing makes sense to you and you don't [TS]

  know why things are happening and then [TS]

  your melody of magic right and you're on [TS]

  your imagination blends with reality in [TS]

  the seamless like this like it's a [TS]

  continuum it's not like well here's the [TS]

  real world news imagination it's all [TS]

  it's all one thing well I said it's such [TS]

  a charming movie I mean it [TS]

  is and it's not just the cute fuzzy [TS]

  creatures although they are incredibly [TS]

  cute and incredibly fuzzy but but it you [TS]

  know the dad is a great character and [TS]

  he's being you can see in his scenes [TS]

  that he's being he's obviously troubled [TS]

  about his and his wife sickness but he's [TS]

  being as good a father as he can be [TS]

  and.and but he's struggling because he's [TS]

  also got a got a commute night when that [TS]

  the opening scenes when they're opening [TS]

  up the house for the first time in the [TS]

  girls are exploring and he's encouraging [TS]

  of them and and yet it's also it's also [TS]

  all very funny because you can see that [TS]

  he's got a dry sense of humor and they [TS]

  don't necessarily get that he's being [TS]

  funny but he's actually being really [TS]

  funny and then there's the little boy [TS]

  who is seems standoffish but is actually [TS]

  it's actually adorable and and be the [TS]

  scenes with the little boy in the [TS]

  umbrella stand for for people who don't [TS]

  have kids too i'm at i guess they might [TS]

  think that the good little boys a good [TS]

  example that uh that he doesn't act like [TS]

  little boys act in typical movies if you [TS]

  had a neighbor boy was like spunky but [TS]

  really was you know like the girl or [TS]

  whatever like the people write dialogue [TS]

  for kids as if there if not adults that [TS]

  at least like preteens or something [TS]

  this boy that sees the girl who was [TS]

  caught in a rainstorm watched offers [TS]

  umbrella as a scowl on his face James [TS]

  the umbrella of a single huh huh I'm [TS]

  just make grunting noises you're like oh [TS]

  come on what kind of kid make if you [TS]

  have a boy that age [TS]

  this is the epitome of communication for [TS]

  them because they don't know how do they [TS]

  don't they don't they're not going to [TS]

  chat up the they don't have a way to [TS]

  express this at all and so you see this [TS]

  grumpy boy jamming this thing in her and [TS]

  then he runs off with a smile on his [TS]

  face [TS]

  that's what kids that age do they're not [TS]

  adults and and also like so that happens [TS]

  but that's not the point of the movie [TS]

  it's not a love story between his two [TS]

  little kids they're just little kids [TS]

  leaving their lives in the way the [TS]

  little kids do that one precocious kid [TS]

  in the movie [TS]

  Watsky who is kind of our you know here [TS]

  or whatever sure even even she has the [TS]

  moment of like you know there is one of [TS]

  my favorite things than we were [TS]

  she's looking for her little sister and [TS]

  the sun is setting which they indicate [TS]

  just with a little bit of you know [TS]

  changing the lighting of everything [TS]

  nobody exposition about we must find her [TS]

  before dark because if the darkness [TS]

  comes in but no she's she's running her [TS]

  feet are dirty she takes over [TS]

  shoes and she's panicked find your [TS]

  sister and they don't know where she's [TS]

  anywhere at that point your panic too [TS]

  right yeah if you're if you're invested [TS]

  in the movie I every every part of this [TS]

  movie I just connects with me if it [TS]

  doesn't connect with you it might seem [TS]

  like we're talking nonsense you're gonna [TS]

  watch this movie and say this is this [TS]

  movie they love if it connects with you [TS]

  what we did say up front that that [TS]

  nothing happens and over at least it has [TS]

  no plot to speak of and there's not [TS]

  really any conflict and it's just sort [TS]

  of a story about some girls whose mom [TS]

  attic and they're learning about where [TS]

  they live and also there are some [TS]

  magical creatures who are adorable and [TS]

  that give an umbrella to one of them so [TS]

  what do you choose to blow actually two [TS]

  things that's before I get that what you [TS]

  choose on but this is one of the things [TS]

  where the dub i think make some jokes [TS]

  that I'm glad they they change from the [TS]

  original or whatever like the voice [TS]

  acting with us and everything looks a [TS]

  little global picture of like a maze [TS]

  doing whatever it's making her crabby [TS]

  here's a picture of me as a crab [TS]

  oh yeah Michael lines like that they [TS]

  crack me up or or the one she was creepy [TS]

  that's kind of you know those are jokes [TS]

  made in in the dub that either are [TS]

  written differently or land differently [TS]

  in the subtitle versions and since I've [TS]

  seen the double design times because I [TS]

  kids can't read subtitles or couldn't [TS]

  when they were watching this I like most [TS]

  access to this dub even though some of [TS]

  the voices are grading and some of the [TS]

  things they do or a little bit you know [TS]

  weird i don't want to ask is what is [TS]

  your take on the on the movie is what [TS]

  happens in the movies total a real [TS]

  distro take them to see their mother [TS]

  Oh or is he entirely a figment of your [TS]

  imagination well i think i think it's in [TS]

  this this is intentionally left it is it [TS]

  is i'm just asking lat where are you [TS]

  well i mean i think that's the beauty of [TS]

  I mean I i guess i would argue that if [TS]

  that in the end when they'll win the the [TS]

  messages left for on the windowsill for [TS]

  their mom that they couldn't have gotten [TS]

  there by any other means and so [TS]

  therefore total really took them there [TS]

  if you really are looking for any [TS]

  evidence but in the end it doesn't [TS]

  really matter right it's just like the [TS]

  way that the scene where they have a [TS]

  giant tree grows out in the backyard [TS]

  because it's just enormous in the [TS]

  backyard and and they wake up the net [TS]

  extend their dad is sitting there the [TS]

  whole time and he doesn't notice [TS]

  anything and they wake up the next day [TS]

  and it's gone and you think haha see [TS]

  nothing really happened but the things [TS]

  they planted sprout over threat so you [TS]

  know was it something maybe did happen [TS]

  it just wasn't the big thing that they [TS]

  that we saw that you know or that was [TS]

  all that in the end was left after after [TS]

  this kind of dream that they that they [TS]

  all had or the solution or whatever it [TS]

  was or magic with with totoro but you [TS]

  know in the end does it doesn't matter [TS]

  but the fact that they you know that [TS]

  they left a little a little message for [TS]

  their mom on the windowsill how else [TS]

  would have gotten there yet the Western [TS]

  audiences always wanted always wanted to [TS]

  have included in different you know it [TS]

  doesn't matter i also want to say I have [TS]

  beautiful this movie is that pit the the [TS]

  just the pictures of the Japanese [TS]

  countryside it is i love i love it just [TS]

  for that it now looks so good and like [TS]

  the house like it's exotic to us because [TS]

  we don't know what Japanese right tubs [TS]

  look like from whatever year this was [TS]

  supposed to look like and just get their [TS]

  enable screens and yeah he obviously [TS]

  loves nature and he loves putting lots [TS]

  of our stuff and the people who do the [TS]

  enemy and whether Mr that's a big [TS]

  weather guy [TS]

  yeah miyazaki is yeah I as we're going [TS]

  to get to anything more about 20 before [TS]

  we move the key [TS]

  I don't think I've reason i ask you [TS]

  about whether you thought he was really [TS]

  notice because that's the type of thing [TS]

  that Western audiences demand out of [TS]

  their movies yeah well so is he real or [TS]

  not we have to know and the little the [TS]

  corn you know thing at the end seems [TS]

  like he's leaning that direction but [TS]

  it's not a conclusive no type of thing [TS]

  and the whole point of the movie is that [TS]

  to children's lives [TS]

  this is all of a piece there's no [TS]

  separation because they have no they [TS]

  haven't settled things down like that [TS]

  imagination is reality is imagination [TS]

  right [TS]

  emotion is manifestation in other sorts [TS]

  of ways that's totally seemingly [TS]

  unrelated to an outside observer the [TS]

  thing they're actually upset about and [TS]

  it's clear from the movie is a thing i [TS]

  like about the parent the parent you [TS]

  know that the two parents except for the [TS]

  little thing did you see a gigantic cat [TS]

  with a humongous claws and teeth in that [TS]

  tree a second ago [TS]

  now you know that's a little knot at the [TS]

  end there but in general for the whole [TS]

  rest of the movie they pay no attention [TS]

  to what these crazy kids are doing [TS]

  yeah it's great it's it's great I I it [TS]

  doesn't matter might my son my son is [TS]

  seven and it's reading calvin and hobbes [TS]

  who discovered Calvin and Hobbes and [TS]

  this this I think is very comfortable to [TS]

  what you just said which is he thinks [TS]

  calvin and hobbes is a story about a boy [TS]

  with a magic tiger who only turns real [TS]

  when nobody's looking [TS]

  yeah but of course the rest of us would [TS]

  view it as a boy who has an imagination [TS]

  and he makes his stuff tiger he believes [TS]

  his stuff tiger is real and has [TS]

  conversations with him but to my [TS]

  seven-year-old son [TS]

  no it's a magic tiger who you can only [TS]

  see like snuffleupagus right he's only [TS]

  he can only move when nobody else is [TS]

  looking except Calvin well he's like the [TS]

  weeping angels yes slightly less Hobbs [TS]

  is slightly less thread by murderous in [TS]

  the weeping angels but yes and to Calvin [TS]

  he's a boy with a real tiger like [TS]

  California has no account doesn't think [TS]

  it's just that one is far as columns her [TS]

  psyche as real as parents [TS]

  yeah his parents yes and more agreeable [TS]

  sometimes so let's move onto I believe [TS]

  the next year in 1989 kiki's delivery [TS]

  service which I actually I i would say [TS]

  this is my favorite of his movies and [TS]

  this has more of a plot [TS]

  yeah and more sophisticated than total [TS]

  refrigerant boil it still doesn't really [TS]

  have an antagonist somebody asked me [TS]

  okay who's the bad guy in kiki's [TS]

  delivery service i have two answers [TS]

  there's a mean girl at one point who [TS]

  says something mean but she has nothing [TS]

  to do with the plot there is nothing out [TS]

  the antagonist and there are many people [TS]

  who are graphing mean write it and but [TS]

  don't know it [TS]

  bear with me for a second i think the [TS]

  antagonist kiki's delivery service is [TS]

  the wind there's a strong wind that [TS]

  causes trouble late in the movie that's [TS]

  it folks [TS]

  seriously these winds during the summer [TS]

  it's the wind the wind is the worst the [TS]

  wind is the enemy in this movie and it's [TS]

  not that strong and then what [TS]

  but it's not just want to get it there [TS]

  are scenes with the wind in it but [TS]

  I guess I think I've said this on past [TS]

  fog podcast the the antagonism kiki's [TS]

  delivery service is life not gonna life [TS]

  happens that's not what the movies about [TS]

  and what the wind could be a problem in [TS]

  life to it you know and blows things off [TS]

  the rain the rain does things that were [TS]

  you know people who are or not [TS]

  interested in the same things you're [TS]

  interested in disinterested strangers [TS]

  situations beyond your control it's just [TS]

  it's at right happens right and what's [TS]

  fascinating to about Kiki is that this [TS]

  is a movie where Miyazaki's interest in [TS]

  European yeah fairy tales and and [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff in here that is [TS]

  modeled on a couple icon stockholm where [TS]

  I've been and actually seen stuff and be [TS]

  like oh my god that's like a key still [TS]

  every service scale and there's this [TS]

  movie set [TS]

  it's like a Scandinavian northern europe [TS]

  for the most part it it's at mean it's [TS]

  not it's sort of not said anywhere but [TS]

  it's very clearly in it said in Europe [TS]

  and it's about a girl who's a witch and [TS]

  has a black cat and ride a broom so the [TS]

  writing is all in Japanese right right [TS]

  on japanese but it's he's definitely [TS]

  trying to to tell this use this instead [TS]

  this in a story and and the Western kind [TS]

  of view of a witch on a broom with a [TS]

  black cat and sets it in a European town [TS]

  which is fascinating to Justin daddy [TS]

  it's like a different a little bit [TS]

  different palette that he's painting [TS]

  with ya and so when i'm comparing this [TS]

  to totoro the reason I can flop back and [TS]

  forth because I'm like well tour was the [TS]

  pure essence of of his work like if you [TS]

  just keep tearing everything away until [TS]

  all that's left is nonsense and emotion [TS]

  you get total yeah he has more of a [TS]

  structure and it's more sophisticated [TS]

  not connect more with me as an adult [TS]

  which is strange because if you describe [TS]

  this movie to someone you can probably [TS]

  actually write a little capsule for this [TS]

  because you've got a clear main [TS]

  character she's a witch Westerners know [TS]

  what witches are she's young witch in [TS]

  training and it's going to be a kids [TS]

  movie [TS]

  so what kind of wacky adventures could [TS]

  she get into right but beyond that [TS]

  premise it's not structured at all like [TS]

  you know she's a kid who acts her age [TS]

  the adults are not buffoons she doesn't [TS]

  sing I there's there's no evil wizard [TS]

  trying to [TS]

  a harm her she goes out on her own and [TS]

  leave your family behind and you're [TS]

  expecting it to be that she ends up in [TS]

  this town and she's taken advantage of [TS]

  and made to do terrible things [TS]

  she's not she's given a place to live [TS]

  and she's given a job and she starts to [TS]

  deliver you know baked goods are all [TS]

  things you could have a witch do it like [TS]

  she's gonna have a battle with magic [TS]

  wand and fly her broom to firestorm to [TS]

  the Wizards now she's gonna do [TS]

  everything right and the big the big [TS]

  tension is going to be like will she [TS]

  deliver the cake on time right and and [TS]

  better are like where am I going to stay [TS]

  or had to do i navigate the adult world [TS]

  because she can't get into the hotel [TS]

  because she it's you know what you want [TS]

  to stay in the hotel by yourself but [TS]

  you're just a kid and she doesn't know [TS]

  what to do with that one of the greatest [TS]

  things mrs. there she's despondently [TS]

  eating her sandwich that she packed for [TS]

  herself after landing in the city full [TS]

  of hope and finding she was not even [TS]

  able to successfully issue you almost [TS]

  got in trouble with the police messed up [TS]

  traffic was not even able to get into [TS]

  hotel like she's not able to function in [TS]

  the adult world but she's just the kids [TS]

  like I'd they wouldn't let me in but [TS]

  like I don't actually just sitting there [TS]

  and you realize she's eating lunch and [TS]

  she packed for herself she has no other [TS]

  food she doesn't know where she's gonna [TS]

  stay she doesn't know how to become the [TS]

  witch for this town or whatever and just [TS]

  threw serendipity or whatever she [TS]

  happens to get a job at a bakery and [TS]

  figures well what can I actually do i [TS]

  guess i can fly that's good i guess i'll [TS]

  deliver things because if you can fly [TS]

  you can don't like it its home you know [TS]

  a mix of of pragmatic reality and people [TS]

  acting their age and oh by the way we [TS]

  have which is neckline everyone cool [TS]

  with that yeah yeah it's fine it's fine [TS]

  and there and it's great and then [TS]

  they're so then there's wind [TS]

  yeah and and her friend I mean that's [TS]

  really the climax right as her friend is [TS]

  accidentally lifted into the air by a [TS]

  runaway blimp [TS]

  yeah her love interest to is interested [TS]

  in her but it's not like oh we're going [TS]

  to be together and she will spend zero [TS]

  time mooning over tom but she sounds [TS]

  like the boy on the bike who kinda likes [TS]

  her and that I mean right and again like [TS]

  with us some other movies that we've [TS]

  talked about it's the it's it's a more [TS]

  realistic sort of like there's a boy and [TS]

  he's sort of interesting and that's [TS]

  really kind of it and this this is [TS]

  probably a good point to talk about or [TS]

  why I indoctrinated my children with [TS]

  Studio Ghibli movies from [TS]

  young age it and tried to keep them away [TS]

  from disney movies particularly my [TS]

  daughter because miyazaki goes in the [TS]

  other direction all the characters movie [TS]

  or women and there are you know the main [TS]

  characters the protagonist the important [TS]

  people and this women are in general [TS]

  with some exceptions treated very well [TS]

  so the ones i like to say Nozick up here [TS]

  is the woman she's strong she does [TS]

  everything a man would do but still with [TS]

  the sensibilities of a woman [TS]

  totoro the two girls are the main [TS]

  characters and kiki's delivery service [TS]

  she'sshe's the clear list of the center [TS]

  of this movie and the movies are not [TS]

  about getting married [TS]

  finding love or like any of these girl [TS]

  things like they're they're treated as [TS]

  normal people [TS]

  Kiki what she doesn't this movie is [TS]

  grows up a little bit in the way that [TS]

  people actually grow up by making [TS]

  friends getting a job not being [TS]

  confident yourself now but her brain [TS]

  challenge in life is that she's you know [TS]

  it doesn't quite know how to relate to [TS]

  people and fit in how do you become this [TS]

  person who is a working person but has [TS]

  friends and in does all the stuff you [TS]

  can't figure out and my favorite part of [TS]

  this movie is when she loses her witch's [TS]

  powers which in the whole thing with [TS]

  powers in which is completely ridiculous [TS]

  but they use that as a way to I was [TS]

  talking is like this is probably going [TS]

  to sound crude but it when she loses her [TS]

  witch's powers that's their way of [TS]

  telling you that she got her period like [TS]

  she is coming of age and how do you [TS]

  become that's why she got the woman [TS]

  character that she relates to the artist [TS]

  in the woods that is a woman who was her [TS]

  role Marty course you have the pregnant [TS]

  woman can you imagine you know three [TS]

  decades 0 pregnant woman we can show [TS]

  that an animated film they don't even [TS]

  know where babies come from the pregnant [TS]

  woman baker and everything's taken care [TS]

  of her she's from a child while a child [TS]

  to she's going to eventually become an [TS]

  adult in a woman and when she can't fly [TS]

  anymore is because like you know she's [TS]

  just becoming a woman literally and it's [TS]

  thrown her for a loop as it does to you [TS]

  know kids when they're at that age and [TS]

  it's like Who am I [TS]

  why don't people like me the rich girls [TS]

  tombos interested but i'm not sure [TS]

  what's going on there and just just not [TS]

  sure of herself the whole movie and [TS]

  that's the plot the plot is coming of [TS]

  age and like what and if you we've all [TS]

  gone through it right that is definitely [TS]

  worthy of a movie and [TS]

  this is that movie and it's not the [TS]

  cliché movie where in the end you go to [TS]

  the problem with the football hero and [TS]

  everybody loves you in the town coast [TS]

  you Kiki we love you your greatest witch [TS]

  or whatever you know and of course the [TS]

  end of the movie she saves the boy you [TS]

  know that's the plot of this movie the [TS]

  girl saves the boy right from from death [TS]

  that we are with their skill and [TS]

  determination and not you know with her [TS]

  princess fairy powers save save him from [TS]

  death by blimp [TS]

  yeah it's not always going to go to go [TS]

  no definitely not the dirigibles they [TS]

  like to call it that as a yes that's [TS]

  right go through the windows pick up off [TS]

  the coast of year that that's when they [TS]

  had the thing that's another one of the [TS]

  lines the ID on the go around the corner [TS]

  that's the dirigibles that line is [TS]

  therefore yeah sure i'm saying anything [TS]

  at that point that's right that's crazy [TS]

  i don't know what the dirigibles kids [TS]

  but I don't blame you imagine [TS]

  apparently this movie yeah not only [TS]

  stockholm but also visit beyond the [TS]

  which is a non-violent in the Baltic Sea [TS]

  it's a part of another town in Sweden [TS]

  and I've been there too so what did you [TS]

  want to live in this town by the way [TS]

  this is well let me tell you this bee is [TS]

  although not as big as this is charming [TS]

  and stockholm is great too so I i watch [TS]

  these movies and I i remember my brief [TS]

  you know trips to Sweden and it's it is [TS]

  it's a great sort of tip again beautiful [TS]

  just as I said about totoro just [TS]

  beautiful looking and again you've got [TS]

  the the elements and he likes to show [TS]

  fields and trees and and clouds and all [TS]

  these things and it's it's gentle and [TS]

  you know its pastoral and beautiful [TS]

  he's good at that stuff alright we weave [TS]

  you know we should probably blow through [TS]

  the rest of these movies here because [TS]

  we've been talking for a while now i [TS]

  have not seen porco rosso which is about [TS]

  the that's like about a flying pig right [TS]

  yeah that's that's an odd one too but [TS]

  it's more of a boy's adventure movie [TS]

  alright flying pig with with an [TS]

  emotional heart he said he's a pig who's [TS]

  a pilot is that right [TS]

  no question Jason alright okay makes [TS]

  sense in context i swear i got out else [TS]

  out i gotta watch that ok and then [TS]

  there's one ok which i haven't seen [TS]

  which is yet which is a big one [TS]

  yeah that's him refining and refining [TS]

  and refining that that action movie [TS]

  formula and starting to go over i think [TS]

  into a little bit [TS]

  too much now I wouldn't say maybe not [TS]

  that but I say it like he has a preachy [TS]

  streak in him he has a message that he [TS]

  wants to tell you about not destroying [TS]

  the earth not fighting each other or [TS]

  whatever and that can be grading if it [TS]

  when he leans on it too heavily but [TS]

  monokey also I [TS]

  monokey also I [TS]

  highly encourage you to watch and it's [TS]

  another example of every character in [TS]

  the movie has as legitimate motivation [TS]

  no buffoons no cartoonishly evil things [TS]

  it's also ratcheting up all the things [TS]

  it's most likely knows a guy i encourage [TS]

  you to watch it all right I will [TS]

  I've got it rented it's right here i [TS]

  just didn't get to it in time [TS]

  ok spirited away we touched on briefly [TS]

  it I saw it and I liked it but I thought [TS]

  it was it was just really weird [TS]

  yeah similar to Kiki and that you end up [TS]

  you start off with a girl it's a girl [TS]

  right who's young and kind of petrol and [TS]

  like you're that age and she's put into [TS]

  a situation where she has to fend for [TS]

  herself because her parents are not [TS]

  there exactly like Kiki goes off on her [TS]

  own its kind of wild-eyed whoever this [TS]

  one has the parents taken away from her [TS]

  it's like we're now you're on your own [TS]

  no one's going to help you what are you [TS]

  gonna do you have to find your way [TS]

  you're gonna have to get a job you have [TS]

  to work hard at that job if they're our [TS]

  friends are interesting things happening [TS]

  around here you're just going to have to [TS]

  deal with them and that's it [TS]

  this is why I think kids connect so much [TS]

  with these movies because young adult [TS]

  literature does this so much of the [TS]

  protagonist and young adult literature [TS]

  always has to be someone at the age of [TS]

  the person are reading the book a young [TS]

  adult and we want to see how do they [TS]

  make their way in the world and that [TS]

  their parents usually aren't there [TS]

  they're on their harry potter goes off [TS]

  the wizard school by himself for the the [TS]

  people in the hunger games are you know [TS]

  they have to you want to see someone who [TS]

  has similar age to you and say well what [TS]

  happens if we take away the safety net [TS]

  and that's what's fascinating feel like [TS]

  she's by herself and look at all these [TS]

  crazy things and as a witch and and this [TS]

  is weird creature and she has to get a [TS]

  job doing and I think kids that age [TS]

  where they're not sort of self [TS]

  actualizing or whatever the the [TS]

  psychological they're not you know they [TS]

  haven't been sort of fully be taken [TS]

  ownership of their own selves and find [TS]

  their path in the world thrust into [TS]

  these situations now granted the [TS]

  situations that movies are ridiculous [TS]

  and crazy but kids can connect that [TS]

  they're like you know that the big [TS]

  tension is she going to talk to the big [TS]

  spider guy to ask him for a job because [TS]

  I could never do that cuz I'm scared you [TS]

  know [TS]

  and so the plot I i think this movie is [TS]

  also almost incidental unless you're [TS]

  talking about the big message about not [TS]

  polluting and all that stuff [TS]

  it's about here you go kid let's see how [TS]

  you do and again a female character and [TS]

  again a character who through [TS]

  determination and good good character [TS]

  and effort and force of will triumph [TS]

  snot by marrying [TS]

  anybody yeah and then also repair turned [TS]

  into pigs but they don't fly [TS]

  yeah one of my favorite images in this [TS]

  movie and he does this Lots images is [TS]

  the train going across the water [TS]

  attracts there's water but it's just [TS]

  just enough to just barely leave the [TS]

  tracks and the train is going across [TS]

  this giant expanse of water it's not [TS]

  floating on the water is not a magic [TS]

  trick is just that the water happens to [TS]

  be exactly at the level of the tracks [TS]

  maybe it's high tide [TS]

  yeah I don't know I hey how's Moving [TS]

  Castle ya maar European ish [TS]

  yeah things i watch this today this one [TS]

  set this one's a little too long [TS]

  what kind of sags which part did you [TS]

  think sank I out toward the end it just [TS]

  I it it just kept going toward the end [TS]

  where they have the there's like the the [TS]

  the battle and and they're there and [TS]

  they started the enemy starts bombing [TS]

  the town and they have to move the move [TS]

  the castle and end it I just I couldn't [TS]

  say I felt like it took a another plot [TS]

  turn when I expected it to be wrapping [TS]

  up and incisors like no no we're gonna [TS]

  keep on going and no actually it's been [TS]

  two hours I really i'm ok with you being [TS]

  done now we just say that there weren't [TS]

  a lot of things about it that I i [TS]

  actually liked it is a it is a little [TS]

  bit odd [TS]

  it's also got like like with phil [TS]

  hartman as Gigi the cat in kiki's [TS]

  delivery service it's got the it's got [TS]

  the fire demon Calcifer in the English [TS]

  dub is Billy Crystal [TS]

  yeah which although the way that [TS]

  character is drawn you kind of want to [TS]

  have a wacky personality like that that [TS]

  fire demon yes just big eyes and a big [TS]

  mouth and the Hartman gigi is one of [TS]

  those things where that is not true to [TS]

  the original but that's my bloody hell [TS]

  but it's still it's hard it's pretty [TS]

  good to you like I think it's like [TS]

  that's that's a separate character [TS]

  except movie that's one interpretation [TS]

  you can do that same thing with Calcifer [TS]

  that think the problem with with [TS]

  how's Moving Castle is that it didn't [TS]

  know whether wanted to be the action [TS]

  adventure movie where we're interested [TS]

  in the resolution of the plot like a [TS]

  castle in the sky vodka or if we wanted [TS]

  to be a this is what it's like to have [TS]

  to go through some thing in your life [TS]

  like Kiki or spirited away because you [TS]

  do have the character who is a young [TS]

  adult and she's suddenly gets old and [TS]

  his magic but you also have this plot [TS]

  business with how land is cursed and [TS]

  you're like what am i interested in him [TS]

  I interested in them in the main [TS]

  characters overcoming our struggles in [TS]

  this strange situation do I care about [TS]

  how i miss bombing in the battles and [TS]

  it's kind of all like you don't know [TS]

  which way to go and then i can think [TS]

  they just tried to fit it all into to [TS]

  the same movie and this has a lot of [TS]

  interesting bits and charm but i never [TS]

  get invested in the story like a man in [TS]

  the more story German movies and I never [TS]

  connect with the emotion of the [TS]

  character like a doing those and the [TS]

  more character-driven movies yeah how is [TS]

  a little odd himself because how how is [TS]

  a uh yeah [TS]

  however he he's like the doctor he [TS]

  started well yeah but he's like blonde [TS]

  and has his hair is kinda long and he [TS]

  wears ear rings and he complains about [TS]

  not being beautiful and then his kid [TS]

  then here is done is darker he's this [TS]

  he's like he's like am a like David [TS]

  Bowie hey its latest he's not quite [TS]

  he's not quite male he's not quite [TS]

  female and then your protagonist is [TS]

  turned into an old lady [TS]

  although that's fascinating because at [TS]

  various points she's not an old lady [TS]

  writer and watch closely when she's [TS]

  sleeping she's not and sometimes when [TS]

  she professes her emotion she's not and [TS]

  sometimes she's got the gray hair but [TS]

  but the young face and has the young [TS]

  voice it's panic that goes back and [TS]

  forth which is crazy [TS]

  so you like which Sophia's yeah that was [TS]

  a little bit on the on the nose but it's [TS]

  like the interesting thing about this [TS]

  that would never happen in western [TS]

  studios that you don't have a senior [TS]

  citizen as your main cut you if you have [TS]

  a beautiful young girl she has to say [TS]

  beautiful young girl the more you don't [TS]

  have her have the movie running around [TS]

  the old person's groan groan as being [TS]

  ugly [TS]

  yea big nose and all hunched over and [TS]

  although although it is there some great [TS]

  scenes in this right that are the way [TS]

  she cleans up the [TS]

  Castle because the cast is a mess and [TS]

  the book there's a little and there's a [TS]

  little boy who is a gas that she's [TS]

  cleaning up the castle and of course the [TS]

  fire demon is also a gas because he's [TS]

  afraid he's going to go out that she's [TS]

  sort of like cleaning up all the ash [TS]

  that's around and then the old boy has [TS]

  got his hood that he puts on that makes [TS]

  them look like kind of a strange kind of [TS]

  bearded little tiny still little guy but [TS]

  now he looks like a bit a bearded older [TS]

  little guy that's cool i love the door [TS]

  that's got the little thing you turn and [TS]

  it opens in four different places [TS]

  because this this castle is is walking [TS]

  around on legs which is also really [TS]

  interesting and it's agglomeration got [TS]

  like bits of house inside it but then [TS]

  you flip the switch and now you're in a [TS]

  small town and you can switch again and [TS]

  you're in the capital city i mean [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff in here that's [TS]

  really really interesting but it does [TS]

  seem like it's a lot of stuff patent [TS]

  leather yeah yeah and so and this movie [TS]

  like all these other movies and most [TS]

  japanese animation movies they just want [TS]

  you to take it at face value they don't [TS]

  want to explain to you like yeah but [TS]

  notice that you know it's always magic [TS]

  that castle and walks there's don't like [TS]

  so the second thing is you know that is [TS]

  almost quintessential in this where i [TS]

  have one of those moments where I just [TS]

  kinda like drop my hands and like well [TS]

  of course [TS]

  ok whatever is all of a sudden in rapid [TS]

  succession there's oh that's his heart [TS]

  the heart was in the with the with [TS]

  Counsell for all along and that's his [TS]

  curse and and look turnip head is a [TS]

  prince from the foreign country that we [TS]

  recently with starting oh of course sure [TS]

  that all happened rather quickly and i'm [TS]

  not quite sure why the connects with the [TS]

  plot you're like well then you don't [TS]

  even have a plot you just have a messy [TS]

  or unpleasant things that aren't even [TS]

  connected to the flat like the fact that [TS]

  this fire a little boys can disguise [TS]

  themselves or there's magic in this [TS]

  world is a castle that walks or just [TS]

  like all that stuff is like just just go [TS]

  with it because it's not it's not [TS]

  important to the plot is just like [TS]

  they're just a side character you get [TS]

  hung up by like the mechanics of the [TS]

  fire demon or what you know why does [TS]

  that dog look weird or the fact that big [TS]

  fella colonia that the big fat which [TS]

  woman like you is who is she oh she our [TS]

  friend she like you just you just said [TS]

  just go with it [TS]

  simplistic but you really need a solid [TS]

  plan to hang out on and i think this one [TS]

  they just didn't know where to go and [TS]

  toward the end of the movie some of the [TS]

  final lines that house speaks he's kind [TS]

  of grunting and it is literally [TS]

  christian bale in the introduction [TS]

  it is literally Christian Bale doing his [TS]

  batman voice before he was Batman it and [TS]

  i turned my wife I said it's a bad man [TS]

  how is batman because it is it's [TS]

  christian bale most the movie you don't [TS]

  really you don't really think it's [TS]

  christian bale but then that he does [TS]

  this little something like this now I'm [TS]

  how I'm going off again and that's it [TS]

  Batman [TS]

  I don't want to tell you should not look [TS]

  at the NDB page for Princess Mononoke if [TS]

  you gotta open close it [TS]

  alright because i don't want to distract [TS]

  you with who is voicing stuff in that [TS]

  movie because for the most part it does [TS]

  not sound like them and right when it's [TS]

  done up you know just look up who [TS]

  everyone was like it's some stuff in [TS]

  their stuff wacky stuff lauren bacall in [TS]

  in the English dub track for [TS]

  house-moving count yeah she was a surge [TS]

  of it is and i really liked her as the [TS]

  woman she was did a great job on that [TS]

  yeah yeah so they get good people will [TS]

  John Lasseter now now that pixar was [TS]

  bought by disney John Lasseter is [TS]

  basically in charge of doing faithful e [TS]

  English releases of all of miyazaki's [TS]

  movies and they and they do a good job [TS]

  hey I mean you can argue about whether [TS]

  that you know you prefer the original [TS]

  with subtitles but the dubs are good [TS]

  they're they're generally very good with [TS]

  famous people who are good you know not [TS]

  just like brad pitt will be in a blue [TS]

  but actually good work [TS]

  all right we should talk about ponyo [TS]

  which is his most recent movie from 2008 [TS]

  which is like his take on the little [TS]

  mermaid [TS]

  well it it's something alright princess [TS]

  is similar one where where you're like [TS]

  what is what you know very very rarely [TS]

  does he spend any time establishing [TS]

  whether this is reality or magic is real [TS]

  everyone in all the movies accepts [TS]

  anything that's in them like you know [TS]

  fish with hair and humanize we don't [TS]

  whatever giant sea like no one is known [TS]

  is like oh my god there's a giant woman [TS]

  underneath us in the ocean i thought it [TS]

  died not you [TS]

  if a giant woman appeared on anything in [TS]

  the ocean you know time spent on is just [TS]

  like it's all of a piece almost as if [TS]

  everyone in all his movies is a child [TS]

  because you know that childlike wonder [TS]

  that he has he likes to imagine a world [TS]

  in which anything is possible people [TS]

  aren't fazed by it so if you could just [TS]

  let that get out of the way this is this [TS]

  is a movie about a little i don't need [TS]

  to not even a mermaid a little fish girl [TS]

  yeah it's not like she sings a song [TS]

  about wanting to go on land she just is [TS]

  glorious and independent and squirms [TS]

  away [TS]

  she's the she's the daughter of the [TS]

  queen of the sea and a human who is a [TS]

  what a waste of human who got fed up [TS]

  with humans i don't particularly like [TS]

  the actor that you know Liam Neeson this [TS]

  he doesn't do a bad job but he just [TS]

  sounds like Liam Neeson to me and i [TS]

  think is wrong for the character very [TS]

  very wrong [TS]

  so she so she yeah she takes off and [TS]

  it's kinda put captured by a kid in a in [TS]

  a green plastic bucket and that they [TS]

  bond strangely and rapidly but to the [TS]

  point where she decides she loves loves [TS]

  the boy and doesn't want to leave him [TS]

  and so she basically when she's returned [TS]

  to the sea against your will she goes [TS]

  into the room that's got all the magic [TS]

  stuff in it and turns herself into a [TS]

  human and and again if you hear the plot [TS]

  of this movie described as well he does [TS]

  have a plot like this you know character [TS]

  they're separated there's a blood [TS]

  adversary you know there's old people [TS]

  are in JT of its like Coon at one point [TS]

  actually with the old people are walking [TS]

  again and they're under the sea and it [TS]

  really is like wait a second where's you [TS]

  know the cast of Cocoon yeah so so that [TS]

  when everything floods and is this [TS]

  pre-cambrian prehistoric fish Dino going [TS]

  around under the seat because that's [TS]

  what he'll I doubt was this thing is [TS]

  going to restore the earth to its [TS]

  previous state and people like you know [TS]

  let's evacuate the old people from the [TS]

  home and get the black don't like the [TS]

  earth is flooded is Armageddon who are [TS]

  all gonna die giant seat nope nope [TS]

  everyone's comments can be LT so 13 of [TS]

  the mom whose voice by tina fey and amy [TS]

  English up is a they like she first off [TS]

  she's like you know I could stay here [TS]

  with the old people but instead i'm [TS]

  going to try to [TS]

  it to my house and it's like tip this [TS]

  terrible parenting better i'm gonna [TS]

  don't don't go in the rushing water with [TS]

  your little tiny car and she's like no [TS]

  I'm gonna I'm gonna time it just right [TS]

  and i'm going to jump over within my kid [TS]

  in the car which she does and she drives [TS]

  really fast and the water is about to [TS]

  get them and they get to the highpoint [TS]

  their houses like I'm a high point [TS]

  they're completely surrounded by water [TS]

  and and she's I'm gonna go back out when [TS]

  we want [TS]

  how could you how could you even go back [TS]

  out you're completely surround and yet [TS]

  somehow she goes back out this is this [TS]

  is another thing I think is gripping for [TS]

  children miyazaki's movies involve [TS]

  children is that all in all of them that [TS]

  it's the opposite of helicopter [TS]

  parenting if you think of the situations [TS]

  that young children two three four five [TS]

  year old children are put in by parents [TS]

  in these movies they're like the kids [TS]

  will be ok [TS]

  you know I like here you just got i'll [TS]

  be in my sent folder i'll be my thing [TS]

  doing my work for whatever you guys just [TS]

  go run out in the woods and have fun and [TS]

  this one it's like you know the kid just [TS]

  goes to school comes back on his own [TS]

  just let him play at one point she finds [TS]

  him in the ocean drowning practically [TS]

  you think she would say well from this [TS]

  point on I'm not letting much i'm making [TS]

  sure there's an adult supervise my child [TS]

  since i live someplace surrounded by [TS]

  ocean water and I almost he almost [TS]

  drowned you know [TS]

  no it's all just like laid back in the [TS]

  kit and up and you know so kids who were [TS]

  brought up in the current helicopter [TS]

  parenting lifestyle and you know of what [TS]

  was trying to keep our children safe [TS]

  watch these movies they sit and they see [TS]

  these kids in situations that they've [TS]

  never been allowed to get into and it's [TS]

  gripping busy like you know there's [TS]

  nobody there to save him he's by himself [TS]

  where there's no adult taking care of [TS]

  him are telling him don't go there don't [TS]

  do that all these kids are on their own [TS]

  and they they do things he you know she [TS]

  makes the boat get bigger he's tooling [TS]

  around on the boat looking at things [TS]

  like they're off on their own doing [TS]

  their thing you know and when they get [TS]

  back the parents don't really help them [TS]

  i really like that that she makes the [TS]

  little boat that's driven by a candle [TS]

  she makes a boat in the candle big and [TS]

  they like the candle and then they just [TS]

  go hang out and people like hey how you [TS]

  doing [TS]

  yeah we're just looking for my mom you [TS]

  have you seen her and the baby is is [TS]

  scowling at her [TS]

  yeah weird stuff going to church and [TS]

  their relationship starts off as boy and [TS]

  pet [TS]

  yeah a-and evolved into what exactly [TS]

  like you don't make this move west [TS]

  you be like wait am I supposed to [TS]

  believe these kids are in love is this [TS]

  this is uncomfortable for me because [TS]

  they shouldn't be romantic love between [TS]

  children who were five been there isn't [TS]

  but it's like but then what's the point [TS]

  of this movie if there's a male and a [TS]

  female and their leads they have to get [TS]

  married at the end because i don't [TS]

  understand the purpose of life it's not [TS]

  for these people to get married and live [TS]

  happily ever after and it seems like [TS]

  they do but really it's not it's not [TS]

  romantic love between these people is [TS]

  just save I it's you know it's strange [TS]

  if you get hung up on these things you [TS]

  think are other Japanese all weird and [TS]

  prefers never like knocking on canvas [TS]

  you can't just accept at face value [TS]

  because what happened they're not [TS]

  kissing each other in this movie you [TS]

  know they're just related the little [TS]

  smoother but it's like it's it's the [TS]

  love the little boy would feel for a [TS]

  little girl right [TS]

  yeah and and making human species his [TS]

  best friend and he wants to keep her [TS]

  around and she's cool [TS]

  although this movie this movie and [TS]

  strangely because they they they like [TS]

  wander through the tunnel and she just [TS]

  turns into a fish-like and that's one of [TS]

  those moments again like oh I guess now [TS]

  she turns into a fish again [TS]

  yeah well yeah okay let's stop there [TS]

  like the way she and she strange-looking [TS]

  when she's efficient ugly and weird and [TS]

  yes this movie isn't is more absurdist [TS]

  with the old people start to walk and [TS]

  it's fair it's yeah wow this gets caught [TS]

  up and its plot a little bit too much [TS]

  too because if the whole messages I go [TS]

  that's not pleased to see this is [TS]

  wonderful nature is good and all that [TS]

  business but it was very interesting [TS]

  imagery and lots of good scenes but [TS]

  overall it's kind of a kind of a mess it [TS]

  doesn't have the heart of totoro doesn't [TS]

  have the sophistication of kiki it has a [TS]

  lot of the absurdity of spirited away [TS]

  but without the same relatable our trip [TS]

  for the protagonist so it's mostly just [TS]

  kind of like a visual delight a combined [TS]

  with a plot that will be off-putting to [TS]

  a lot of people but if it doesn't bother [TS]

  your disciple there is you know one of [TS]

  my favorite things in this movie is when [TS]

  the the father calls to say that he's [TS]

  got another trip on his ship and he's [TS]

  not going to be coming home for shore [TS]

  leave and and the mother is furious now [TS]

  and then the father is going past [TS]

  and they're they're signaling via [TS]

  flashing light violent Morse code and [TS]

  that and that the Sun is very you know [TS]

  he's very enthusiastic and it's relaying [TS]

  messages back and forth and and the mom [TS]

  is just saying you basically tell him to [TS]

  tell him to beat it [TS]

  tell me is a jerk it's the one and the [TS]

  boys like no no I'm gonna be mom was [TS]

  kind of mad at you [TS]

  yeah that's that's something else you [TS]

  enjoy see in kids movies because sites [TS]

  that you had a kids movie where there [TS]

  was a mother taking care of the Son and [TS]

  the father was away and he couldn't come [TS]

  back the mother would be like oh dear [TS]

  how I wish you would come back but [TS]

  adults are actual people to get you [TS]

  don't have e and a kids movie usually [TS]

  don't show the adults have you know you [TS]

  don't show the parents fighting unless [TS]

  they're bad parent so you don't so the [TS]

  you know like she gets upset like [TS]

  because your husband she gets mad at him [TS]

  because I call how you're supposed to be [TS]

  and it's mad because she loves him and [TS]

  wants him back but also mad because like [TS]

  why you would work and kids movies you [TS]

  almost never show that everyone in [TS]

  miyazaki movies gets to be who they are [TS]

  no one has to be like oh this is x type [TS]

  of movie they're for adults can't have [TS]

  that kind of reaction because real [TS]

  adults do have that reaction real [TS]

  relationships and they have them in [TS]

  front of children and it doesn't make [TS]

  them bad people you know and he shows [TS]

  that in his movies everyone gets to be a [TS]

  character [TS]

  yeah and then the Sun place will you get [TS]

  the sense what he what he's done before [TS]

  which is a play maybe not necessarily [TS]

  even peacemaker but he's aware of that [TS]

  me he's not gonna let his mom being [TS]

  angry get in the way of him talking to [TS]

  his dad so and his dad knows that he can [TS]

  use his son a little bit as a bridge [TS]

  there are different you know put in a [TS]

  good word for me I know she's bad at me [TS]

  and it's it's sweet its it's nice and [TS]

  then you know they're giant waves in the [TS]

  mood comes down and pulls a giant wall [TS]

  of water with all the boats and its [TS]

  members coming at that part I never [TS]

  really understood either it's like the [TS]

  moon is getting closer [TS]

  yeah but things are out of balance yeah [TS]

  at the giant tidal wave sweeps up all [TS]

  the cargo ships into here and there's a [TS]

  lot of stuff this and click the ship [TS]

  parking lot of I don't know [TS]

  well that's that's that's our are [TS]

  chronological walk through the canon of [TS]

  of miyazaki [TS]

  the ones that you've seen anyone mostly [TS]

  and well and we covered the ones that [TS]

  that I haven't seen by by mentioning [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah I i almost wish we could have done [TS]

  not had this not being miyazaki show but [TS]

  a studio ghibli job is there are other [TS]

  movies like for example the most recent [TS]

  I don't know if you've seen it but uh [TS]

  Arrietty already i had the wishes the [TS]

  borrower's i have not i want to see it [TS]

  but I haven't seen it and try to get [TS]

  that would fit right in with the [TS]

  discussion even though it's not a [TS]

  miyazaki did not track this and a couple [TS]

  other minor things like whisper of the [TS]

  heart and was the one I was thinking of [TS]

  other works that are involved in the [TS]

  studio but not necessarily involving him [TS]

  that are it fit right into this genre [TS]

  and and give a slightly different flavor [TS]

  but huh [TS]

  that will have to say the production and [TS]

  I still actually really want to an [TS]

  animation but considering how far it was [TS]

  to get a show together for like The [TS]

  Godfather of great japanese animation i [TS]

  really doubt we're going to be able to [TS]

  get a show together for people who have [TS]

  seen anime in general well kind of anime [TS]

  you know I think we're gonna have to [TS]

  treat that like we did like we did games [TS]

  or or or text adventures or things like [TS]

  that where where we might have to go [TS]

  outside the usual panelists in order to [TS]

  get a good collection of people for that [TS]

  I'd be out there I'm there's more it's [TS]

  time for that [TS]

  uh-huh I don't know free free agents or [TS]

  I don't know what the sportster would be [TS]

  I was thinking guests get into pinch [TS]

  hitters hitters you have something like [TS]

  that temporary injury relief something [TS]

  like that but uh because I really beyond [TS]

  miyazaki all I could talk about Star [TS]

  Blazers I I could sing with the Star [TS]

  Blazers theme song even but i'm sure the [TS]

  Star Blazers is also a butchered version [TS]

  of yes yes I yeah that's the thing with [TS]

  animes I can't give you homework and say [TS]

  okay we'll just watch the these last [TS]

  decades worth yeah am i right you know [TS]

  at least there's like one director a [TS]

  series of movies you can watch for them [TS]

  to get a takeout but if you haven't been [TS]

  spending your life it's like a volunteer [TS]

  and a comic book thing like okay start [TS]

  reading comic books and get better than [TS]

  20 years [TS]

  yeah exactly that's it's tough to catch [TS]

  up yeah it was hard enough for me to [TS]

  catch up on music and music is really [TS]

  great [TS]

  kiki kiki is my favorite with totoro [TS]

  close behind but Kiki something about it [TS]

  maybe it's all the airship [TS]

  yeah and for adults listen to the story [TS]

  that sounds like everything we just [TS]

  described her kids movies and stuff [TS]

  one day without your children might [TS]

  maybe when you're by yourself like a [TS]

  rainy day or something get Kiki stick it [TS]

  somewhere off to the side so when that [TS]

  rainy day comes you going to sit at the [TS]

  couch chill out try to roll your mind [TS]

  back a few decades and just watch that [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah and Syria doesn't see it doesn't [TS]

  connect with you a rainy windy day gonna [TS]

  have to wind [TS]

  yeah that my heart yeah because that [TS]

  wind who is the bad guy [TS]

  the enemy alright John I thought this [TS]

  was AI thought there's a lot of fun [TS]

  yes it was nice to watch those movies [TS]

  again to like giving you homework too [TS]

  yeah that was good that was good at home [TS]

  some other genres yes make you watch [TS]

  please do they did they do this with a [TS]

  book club they make me read things [TS]

  against my will so what you can make me [TS]

  watch things thats fine damn right we [TS]

  can do this again [TS]

  alright well then i will close up this [TS]

  episode of the incomparable and i would [TS]

  like to thank John siracusa for spending [TS]

  the time and his knowledge of anime [TS]

  which I do not have but again what a [TS]

  great director and a lot of great a lot [TS]

  of great movies especially totoro and [TS]

  Kiki so until our next edition of the [TS]

  incomparable podcast thanks again to [TS]

  john i'm jason Snell we'll see you next [TS]

  time [TS]

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  la that are ya short compared to like [TS]

  this seriously i could actually do a [TS]

  scene-by-scene three-hour thing on any [TS]

  of these moves hi [TS]

  well I know that wants that that was the [TS]

  other way to go is that I feel like yeah [TS]

  like i said i think i could do an hour [TS]

  on chest totoro and Kiki and in fact I [TS]

  could do an hour on each of them [TS]

  yeah i wish i could that could do have [TS]

  done a better job of convincing people [TS]

  to these movies might be something to be [TS]

  interested because if you're listening [TS]

  to the show you like the nerdy [TS]

  conversations that we normally have [TS]

  it's hard for me to to explain why i [TS]

  like these movies and why I think other [TS]

  people will but i think this whole [TS]

  swathes of the population the nerd [TS]

  population who just avoid these entirely [TS]

  huh [TS]

  you know I mean that's why i said that i [TS]

  find them the especially those two [TS]

  charming it's just like you i can't help [TS]

  but smile while I'm watching them [TS]

  they're nice they're pretty they're [TS]

  sweet they're you know it there's [TS]

  nothing wrong with that it and [TS]

  warehousing and done [TS]

  interesting you know right but and the [TS]

  and the plot is beside the point in the [TS]

  fact that there is no conflict I i mean [TS]

  i didn't mention this either but you [TS]

  know with young kids I think I think [TS]

  totoro and Kiki are go to movies for [TS]

  young kids because they are there are [TS]

  some kids that are they really get [TS]

  disturbed by scary parts and conflict [TS]

  and there's no conflict at Otero has a [TS]

  little like I my children being a little [TS]

  bit scared when they first meet or he [TS]

  makes that very deep noise alright yeah [TS]

  he's totally not scared with that [TS]

  combines Bucky just there's nothing [TS]

  that's gonna tell your kids that mean [TS]

  after all [TS]

  yeah and and the best thing about Kiki [TS]

  the reason I i love it so much because I [TS]

  i feel like i'm putting what I'm putting [TS]

  in front of them is like the highest [TS]

  quality things made by humans but they [TS]

  can still enjoy it i'm not putting them [TS]

  in front of crap i'm putting in front of [TS]

  something that they can keep watching [TS]

  for the entire life in already which I [TS]

  encourage you to watch my kids have seen [TS]

  about as soon as it came out in japan i [TS]

  grabbed it and I watched myself and i [TS]

  watched it with my kids and I read the [TS]

  subtitles and kids you know their their [TS]

  little minds are amazing i read the [TS]

  subtitles like once or twice and they [TS]

  both memorize the movie and so they [TS]

  watch Arrietty all the time [TS]

  with no subtitles on ninja in japanese [TS]

  is also not a lot of dialogue you'll see [TS]

  that it's you know it's it's a different [TS]

  flavor than miyazaki's movies but that [TS]

  that charm and beauty and interest and [TS]

  like gentleness is all there and they [TS]

  they love it they they sit there and [TS]

  watch this movie in Japanese it [TS]

  I never even thought to try to trick [TS]

  show them doubles for the movies but you [TS]

  know I can't wait for the Englishman to [TS]

  come out now I'm actually kind of scared [TS]

  to see it because the whole family has [TS]

  seen this movie 50 times now in Japanese [TS]

  and it'll be weird to hear the American [TS]

  Voices you know I read the borrower's [TS]

  when I was a kid and we were we were [TS]

  actually yeah we're gonna go see it and [TS]

  we we didn't it was it was sold out when [TS]

  we went to see it down in Southern [TS]

  California [TS]

  did they ever explain in the source [TS]

  material why the call borrowers when [TS]

  they don't give anything back [TS]

  now this is a major plot point but it [TS]

  just hit it does bother me i well I'm [TS]

  trying to remember i think i think the [TS]

  idea was that the borrower's could could [TS]

  give them back or it may have been the [TS]

  borrower's just like a turnout copyright [TS]

  well I i think it was i think it was a [TS]

  little bit like um no no we're not [TS]

  stealing it [TS]

  we're just borrowing it that it was [TS]

  almost like an understanding that that [TS]

  they were just putting a nice positive [TS]

  spin on the fact that they stole your [TS]

  pencils and use them as bedposts or [TS]

  whatever they did with them and the [TS]

  other one I recommend view is a whisper [TS]

  of how old is your daughter [TS]

  ten maybe too old for this week you [TS]

  can't whisper of the heart is [TS]

  I don't know what you call it's more [TS]

  stereotypical girls movie but it still [TS]

  is kind of a self-actualization thing I [TS]

  it also is kind of long and has a silly [TS]

  ending but it's that give it a try [TS]

  alright i I've looked it up here i will [TS]

  i'll check it out and my daughter loves [TS]

  the Cat Returns which is much more silly [TS]

  and kind of cats and it has a connection [TS]

  with whisper of the heart lot of these [TS]

  movies are connected in strange ways i [TS]

  would not recommend the cat returns and [TS]

  if unless you have a four-year-old [TS]

  daughter who likes cats I i have no I [TS]

  have a ten-year-old daughter a [TS]

  four-year-old daughter who likes cats [TS]

  six years ago [TS]

  yeah you're a little bit past my [TS]

  programming my japanese animation [TS]

  inspired programming and [TS]

  by the way I should mention the show I [TS]

  could not keep my daughter away from [TS]

  disney movies she flying I my wife loves [TS]

  them and I couldn't possible I could get [TS]

  my daughter away from them anyway we [TS]

  didn't dress her in pink or anything [TS]

  like that and then all of a sudden she [TS]

  just went into a princess phase and you [TS]

  couldn't really couldn't stop it and she [TS]

  got she got through it but you know and [TS]

  and so we had we tried to give it which [TS]

  was trying to show the good ones [TS]

  so we we we had the boy we watched [TS]

  Sleeping Beauty way too many times a lot [TS]

  of the lip-sync seen them all and like I [TS]

  just I just prayed like my massive [TS]

  foundation of Studio Ghibli movies right [TS]

  I just laid the bedrock there so that [TS]

  the princess phase it will come and it [TS]

  will go but underneath it all will be [TS]

  key right and Nas ago you know [TS]

  yeah Nicki saving that boy the end of [TS]

  the movie you know it's tough [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah i mean the Disney stuff [TS]

  is is fine but it doesn't really send [TS]

  the right message now it doesn't it has [TS]

  music they like but yeah yeah those [TS]

  movies bother me immensely [TS]

  yeah yeah sleeping beauty's not that bad [TS]

  some of them are really bad some of them [TS]

  are really really bad but uh but now we [TS]

  I think we've exposed her to a lot of a [TS]

  lot of good stuff plus she's I mean plus [TS]

  you like know stuff about Doctor Who so [TS]

  yeah that's good [TS]

  I've totally ruined her for her for four [TS]

  boys dick all right actually I maybe [TS]

  she's perfect cause they'll be like how [TS]

  you doing better actor who well I you [TS]

  know I don't know I don't know what's [TS]

  gonna happen but i have given her I've [TS]

  given her a nice little layer of of [TS]

  depth that she can either take advantage [TS]

  of or completely deny but she you know I [TS]

  don't know I've done all I can so far [TS]

  yeah sometimes i feel like i'm a i-i-i [TS]

  question what I'm doing this like I said [TS]

  my kids have been watching princess [TS]

  mononoke my daughter is four and she [TS]

  repeatedly request princess mononoke [TS]

  after you watch that movie if you ask me [TS]

  is appropriate to show to a [TS]

  four-year-old maybe it's not maybe it's [TS]

  not appropriate to show 24 year old but [TS]

  she's a tough cookie sheet that we [TS]

  watched that's why we watched naga no no [TS]

  what what what [TS]

  one of my watch today Oh house moving [TS]

  castle today is is because i looked at [TS]

  the ratings for both of them look like [TS]

  Howl's Moving Castle was considered less [TS]

  intense [TS]

  yeah then and then the other one and [TS]

  kinda my son my son is still there were [TS]

  parts of even howls moving castle that [TS]

  he was like I don't want to watch this [TS]

  part of my son at seven and my daughter [TS]

  for about the same level of times if [TS]

  it's scary saying he's searching stuff [TS]

  yes she is a top and butt but like I'm [TS]

  thinking like well why do you like this [TS]

  because it is totally not a girl in a [TS]

  boy's adventure movies dismemberment I [TS]

  mean the cut you watch it and think [TS]

  about my father watching but she loves [TS]

  it i mean there's something about it [TS]

  that just I don't know it's connecting [TS]

  with their little in you know it's [TS]

  reaching to the little brains and doing [TS]

  something and so I'm hoping I'm not [TS]

  scaring her life but I think I think she [TS]

  I think she can handle it [TS]

  I think I feel like that she's I feel [TS]

  comfortable everything are you doing her [TS]

  you know your kids react to stuff [TS]

  differently a friend of mine her son [TS]

  he's aight i think now and he couldn't [TS]

  watch he may still not be able to watch [TS]

  fiction he could watch fiction things [TS]

  hehe could watch like documentaries like [TS]

  shows about this is how you know these [TS]

  are these are trucks that are building a [TS]

  building right [TS]

  he loved stuff like that but you know [TS]

  and he got really into like Star Wars [TS]

  related like books and pictures and [TS]

  things but had never seen Star Wars [TS]

  because he was he was like I think and I [TS]

  think it was the conflict thing I think [TS]

  like having a bit bad people doing mean [TS]

  things really freaked him out night I [TS]

  told her that she should show him Kiki [TS]

  because there is no conflict in this [TS]

  book [TS]

  nothing no mean people are in this movie [TS]

  for the one mean witch who tells her to [TS]

  how you can even fly haha [TS]

  and then she leaves and that's it she's [TS]

  just kind of stuck up [TS]

  yeah yeah and that that's an example of [TS]

  the bed up [TS]

  I'm I tell fortunes about now you're not [TS]

  a good actor that kid is not going to [TS]

  know did you see that cat is a whole [TS]

  freakin movie memorized [TS]

  yeah I've seen that 1a lot of times i [TS]

  should get what you mentioned you there [TS]

  the the witch in the woods and like you [TS]

  mean janeane garofalo [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah that's yeah what's up its [TS]

  time but she did a good job she did sure [TS]

  and doesn't it's not drawn like her so [TS]

  it's not the worst when that's not Dario [TS]

  American celebrity and it's drawn like [TS]

  the right character as they want to do [TS]

  disney think that was yeah or the [TS]

  DreamWorks [TS]

  worst all right there was this great [TS]

  thank you for staying up to end up and [TS]

  making sure that there's a show this [TS]

  week [TS]

  sho enough [TS]

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