The Incomparable

76: Robert Redford`s Foot

 

  the incomparable podcast number 76 [TS]

  January 2012 [TS]

  we're back on the including a high-caste [TS]

  we are live at macworld expo on the [TS]

  incomparable podcast live and my guess [TS]

  as always it seems eternally are Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann hello Glenn hello [TS]

  I later another system this episode yes [TS]

  and almost every episode serenity [TS]

  Caldwell hello hello hello jason this is [TS]

  only my third thing on the stage today [TS]

  gee you're a slacker I know I just don't [TS]

  do enough and dan moore and who is on [TS]

  every podcast ever made [TS]

  I'm the man on every podcast so [TS]

  contractually I must be on this one [TS]

  yes thank you for making it and [TS]

  fulfilling your contract had to also I i [TS]

  think i was threatened to be fired if I [TS]

  was not so often when we're doing the [TS]

  incomparable we're talking about movie [TS]

  we did a bunch of episodes about we did [TS]

  a couple episodes about Star Wars The [TS]

  Empire Strikes Back we talk about rid of [TS]

  the lost ark we talk about superhero [TS]

  movies talk about books lots of [TS]

  different books you know thousand page [TS]

  fantasy and sci-fi novels we've talked [TS]

  about TV shows [TS]

  Doctor Who Sherlock star trac lots of [TS]

  stuff like that uh today we're going to [TS]

  go on a topic and because we're a [TS]

  technology event where the topic is [TS]

  going to be technology we're going to [TS]

  talk about stuff we love and I hope so [TS]

  please oh please stuff we hate in terms [TS]

  of how technology is portrayed in books [TS]

  movies and films because we know how [TS]

  technology really works its magic it's [TS]

  magic and then we watch it on the screen [TS]

  and it it doesn't work like that so i [TS]

  wanted to start by asking each of you if [TS]

  you have a particular example of [TS]

  terrible technology from a book movie TV [TS]

  show or any other form of entertainment [TS]

  that you've seen in your lives am as a [TS]

  media consumer I'm getting ready yeah [TS]

  are you prepared [TS]

  I mean more or less most less alright so [TS]

  as I got a spot as jeff goldblum up [TS]

  using a powerbook to upload a computer [TS]

  virus to an alien flying saucer and [TS]

  independence day which couldn't happen [TS]

  for about an infinite number of reasons [TS]

  yes it's like unless they happen to be [TS]

  from a parallel world where mac OS is [TS]

  the dominant [TS]

  operating system for flying saucer [TS]

  technology which seems unlikely i think [TS]

  it's possible but there were no max [TS]

  viruses really weren't there may be on [TS]

  the alien parallel planet their work [TS]

  anyway what do you think dan I I had [TS]

  kind of a more general one because it [TS]

  comes up in a lot of different books and [TS]

  receive it's a pea yeah it's a it's a [TS]

  complaint about about the way [TS]

  technologies Britain how many times have [TS]

  you seen somebody on a TV show or movie [TS]

  hack a password one character at a time [TS]

  and I am even in things that I like and [TS]

  it's sad when you're watching something [TS]

  that you really like and then they start [TS]

  doing that and you're like cheese [TS]

  because it's not how that's not how [TS]

  passwords work passwords are encrypted [TS]

  as a whole there's no way to guess one [TS]

  character of it and then confirm that [TS]

  character is correct and then move on to [TS]

  the next year i'm here to tell you it's [TS]

  actually possible [TS]

  actually I can have examples i'm just [TS]

  going to refute you because that's my [TS]

  nature but it's true there are ways if [TS]

  you know a little bit of the password [TS]

  you can get a little more a little more [TS]

  so I'm sorry didn't know one is that's [TS]

  bad that's beyond the scope of this mod [TS]

  cast that security features they know [TS]

  you write a they didn't that doesn't [TS]

  make any sense it's it's you know the [TS]

  password is encrypted as a whole you [TS]

  know if you don't you know a little bit [TS]

  of you can guess what's not in it you [TS]

  can derive it from Homeland Security [TS]

  wouldn't go left to right one digit at a [TS]

  time with the first two digits are one [TS]

  and eight only works if it's in [TS]

  typewriter font though that's typical [TS]

  bar [TS]

  well anything is anything with passwords [TS]

  right because I mean I do like [TS]

  occasionally i think my favorites are [TS]

  the ones where they're like all we need [TS]

  a password to break in this computer and [TS]

  then there's a like a post-it note like [TS]

  actually like that because that's reason [TS]

  that like I'm going out there to [TS]

  actually keep their passwords on a [TS]

  post-it note somewhere near their [TS]

  computer because i'm guessing a few a [TS]

  few anybody know what to make doing tell [TS]

  me I understand you can depend on your [TS]

  house and a liquid it's like you know [TS]

  will we can't figure the pastor we tried [TS]

  everything [TS]

  have you tried his wife's maiden name [TS]

  with no we never thought of that quick [TS]

  typing even when she's not going to [TS]

  behold the static and that somebody did [TS]

  hackers stole a password database and [TS]

  they posted it and all the security [TS]

  researchers did an analysis of that it [TS]

  to turn out unfortunately for all those [TS]

  spy movies that it isn't somebody [TS]

  is something clever like a date of a [TS]

  birthday or the name of your spouse it [TS]

  tends to be password one or password I [TS]

  mean I anyone friend of mine worked at a [TS]

  UH his parents had a small company and [TS]

  he did their computer maintenance insert [TS]

  a list of everybody's password like [TS]

  seventy percent of them were just [TS]

  password that they never changed it so i [TS]

  guess there is some accuracy to that but [TS]

  that's just said I don't know when I [TS]

  think of the one digit a time thing it [TS]

  just reminds me of a high-tech version [TS]

  of tumble walks where it's like all [TS]

  right I'm listening in and I'm oh I'm [TS]

  finding the first digit now let's try [TS]

  and see if we can find the second and [TS]

  then we find the third I just assumed [TS]

  that that's where it is looking anybody [TS]

  ever play that game I mastermind we have [TS]

  to get that what the other person [TS]

  actually right over and around a lot [TS]

  exactly yeah no you're right it is it [TS]

  somebody wrote a screenplay without with [TS]

  a combination lock in a safecracker and [TS]

  then somebody said nobody does that [TS]

  anymore make it a computer so red you [TS]

  have a great of a favorite use of [TS]

  technology i have a a couple overall [TS]

  grapes media OS as a friend of mine so [TS]

  lovingly calls it is my biggest gripe [TS]

  where they just you know it's it's some [TS]

  people hacking into a system or going [TS]

  into a high-tech security interface and [TS]

  they pull this up and it's no computer [TS]

  system ever known to man [TS]

  it's like oh that's all of them yes it's [TS]

  all of the mashed together it's not it's [TS]

  not linux it's not Mac it's not windows [TS]

  it's always man without linux all went [TS]

  down the exes in the corners of the [TS]

  boxes and it's just been going to school [TS]

  yeah exactly it's an OS that doesn't [TS]

  quite exist in any universe and yet it [TS]

  is the prevailing OS everywhere I know [TS]

  the myth the big feature of the two [TS]

  computers used on TV as they still [TS]

  somewhere in those computers theres a [TS]

  floppy disk going tick-tick-tick [TS]

  tick-tick-tick as everything happens [TS]

  where what is that [TS]

  have you ever seen the 1i think there's [TS]

  there's a couple where they use that [TS]

  sort of generic media OS software and [TS]

  it's actually just a it's a it's a [TS]

  QuickTime movie like what they had to do [TS]

  is actually they've recorded like a [TS]

  screencast of their interface and so [TS]

  they're doing things and it doesn't line [TS]

  up with what's happening on the screen [TS]

  and then once I think I saw one show [TS]

  once where they like you can see the [TS]

  window like roam around the window your [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  that's android was a cheap shot but all [TS]

  that's good you're playing yourself out [TS]

  here when I was a kid I got a computer [TS]

  magazine that had those computer [TS]

  programs you could type in and and use [TS]

  yourself and one of them was from the TV [TS]

  show with kids which was on I am dating [TS]

  myself I realized I which was it was [TS]

  like the war games or games was a hit [TS]

  movie and people said let's do that as a [TS]

  TV show and it was it didn't last very [TS]

  long will get the guy from Barney Miller [TS]

  to be in it but they had this program [TS]

  and basically for every key you randomly [TS]

  matched on the computer it would put up [TS]

  a letter that actually would spell [TS]

  something so that the actors didn't have [TS]

  to have to type things they could just [TS]

  hit the keys like doodoo and it would [TS]

  actually type what they're supposed to [TS]

  type on the screen because actors cannot [TS]

  be trained to type the words themselves [TS]

  strangely dogs dogs can dogs are really [TS]

  intentionally monkeys and a damned by [TS]

  mentioning the quicktime movie you left [TS]

  out the most famous use of a QuickTime [TS]

  movie in film history which is the [TS]

  conversation that way night Newman from [TS]

  Seinfeld has in Jurassic Park before [TS]

  everybody gets eaten by dinosaurs and I [TS]

  don't know people notice this but if you [TS]

  look this video conference that's [TS]

  happening is has a progress bar that's [TS]

  slowly going from one end to the other [TS]

  because it's not a video conference it's [TS]

  a QuickTime movie in the quicktime [TS]

  player and when and ended the call is [TS]

  over when the progress for either it's [TS]

  really good timing it's like sorry my [TS]

  class to be over my progress bars reach [TS]

  the end by traffic park is particularly [TS]

  egregious right because it's got that [TS]

  famous scene where the little kids you [TS]

  know the young woman looks at the [TS]

  computers i know this this is this is [TS]

  unix those visualizers SGI UNIX file [TS]

  system fly through visualizer they're [TS]

  presenting as if it were unix well I [TS]

  know whatever i'm programming and using [TS]

  unix you know using the terminal i like [TS]

  to put on 3d glasses to get the full [TS]

  experience the comparator terminal is [TS]

  really best appreciated three men [TS]

  wearing mine all the time when Patrick [TS]

  taught us that really you know I I was [TS]

  just thinking that that is one thing [TS]

  that really irks me and hurt me the [TS]

  first time that I saw the matrix is when [TS]

  they're looking at the code is like oh I [TS]

  can read that that means you're running [TS]

  down the street [TS]

  alright if we're in high [TS]

  techno post-apocalyptic society really [TS]

  no one decided that it would be good to [TS]

  go back to a graphical user interface [TS]

  you can't just program that into a look [TS]

  hey jpg the machines don't want us to [TS]

  see things graphically what to flip side [TS]

  the matrix the second Matrix movie which [TS]

  is mostly abysmal and always actually [TS]

  has a scene very early on where the [TS]

  character Trinity uses like goes and [TS]

  breaks into a computer room and starts [TS]

  ssa changing into another server and is [TS]

  actually it is actually totally correct [TS]

  which is I think they got yelled at [TS]

  enough that first movie they're like [TS]

  always better remember appease the Nerds [TS]

  a cleansing is actually energies you [TS]

  you're cranky guy I imagine you've got a [TS]

  few grievances him off the cranky i know [TS]

  but I'll give a category in some [TS]

  examples which is it's the science [TS]

  fiction novel particularly that provides [TS]

  too much scientific explanation that is [TS]

  unnecessary is sometimes wrong or you [TS]

  just don't care they're working so hard [TS]

  out spin is a good example by robert [TS]

  charles wilson right which is enjoyable [TS]

  in parts but it gets fired more the [TS]

  novel starts at so much stronger to stop [TS]

  people as it goes on feels compelled to [TS]

  bring in all this biology and Technology [TS]

  and the guys turning into a crystal [TS]

  spoiler someone turns into a crystal and [TS]

  all these other things against you know [TS]

  you're really defeating your plot here [TS]

  you just you you overwhelmed the plot [TS]

  and the human-interest with details to [TS]

  try to make logical plausible physics [TS]

  about things that don't exist just being [TS]

  go on and on but the counter example [TS]

  there is a novel like the sparrow by [TS]

  again a ternary Doria wrestle he's got [TS]

  all the names and I've sack of grain [TS]

  thank you very much and uh her novel is [TS]

  beautiful and the sparrow by the way i [TS]

  think is one of the most beautiful [TS]

  science-fiction novels written and she [TS]

  doesn't care very much about the science [TS]

  she is just enough to make it something [TS]

  you don't care about so they do [TS]

  interstellar travel and there's alien [TS]

  species but it's all about the heart and [TS]

  about the characterization is not always [TS]

  a fatal flies you you you have a writer [TS]

  who wants to show their work and [TS]

  sometimes the work just needs to be [TS]

  there to inform what they write and [TS]

  instead like no no I did lots of [TS]

  research about computers [TS]

  I'm putting the computers i want to tell [TS]

  you [TS]

  you think I know or biology or whatever [TS]

  and it was to Charles Sheffield of the [TS]

  c-style sheffield wrote some terrific [TS]

  science fiction some not-so-good science [TS]

  fiction but he is big proponent of space [TS]

  elevators and when he was about space [TS]

  elevators that was right you could build [TS]

  it from the story and that's fine [TS]

  because that was his thing and I believe [TS]

  it but if you can't do that you don't [TS]

  need to try that I had that problem with [TS]

  the vernor vinge II was a fire upon the [TS]

  deep is that the first one [TS]

  yeah and and the there's a big section [TS]

  in the beginning was talking about the [TS]

  like sentient computer that comes online [TS]

  and like it starts like ruining this [TS]

  human colony but he started out from [TS]

  like you know like so the transistors [TS]

  are firing and then it turns into one's [TS]

  it's like all the way up and you're like [TS]

  no no no I don't care [TS]

  electrical engineering 101 Thank You [TS]

  rates for me and books I mean that the [TS]

  the best thing about a novel is that you [TS]

  get to sort of picture how it looks in [TS]

  your own head and you get to connect [TS]

  everything yourself and when they [TS]

  overwhelm you with technical with [TS]

  technological doodads and doohickeys and [TS]

  yes all of this works and this is how it [TS]

  works [TS]

  you're like I've been now you're [TS]

  clouding up my picture and no I I [TS]

  thought it looked that way [TS]

  might I really i mean ender's game is a [TS]

  is a shaky book for a number of reasons [TS]

  my line out I didn't know I thing for a [TS]

  number of not non-book reasons as a [TS]

  novel i love the novel but a lot of [TS]

  people have different opinions for [TS]

  various reasons your honor we offer from [TS]

  water on her hesitation but the thing I [TS]

  love about ender's game is when they [TS]

  describe Battle School and they [TS]

  described in in the novel for those of [TS]

  you who haven't read it basically goes [TS]

  to a battle school with thousands of [TS]

  other youngsters and they're playing [TS]

  basically laser tagging space i think is [TS]

  the best the best way to put it with [TS]

  obstacles and the awesome school ever [TS]

  like it is the awesome school ever [TS]

  applied there was not accepted [TS]

  sadly I but in this in this battle you [TS]

  know in this battle arena the the idea [TS]

  is basically it's like a 360 degree [TS]

  thing and it's 0 g but the only thing [TS]

  they really ever to view description [TS]

  wise is the enemy's gate is down and [TS]

  from there you can picture it any way [TS]

  you want it if they had gone into [TS]

  details yes 0g require [TS]

  is that you spend this way and that like [TS]

  that would just ruin it for this game [TS]

  also works great that they all have [TS]

  iPads if you remember before the ipad [TS]

  was invented they'll have these little [TS]

  tablets and they're playing like [TS]

  essentially what is some kind of like [TS]

  it's almost like i missed like game on [TS]

  their iPad that there's like the giant [TS]

  and like they have to there's a puzzle [TS]

  it's kind of a puzzle game 0 singles [TS]

  coming out with that soon [TS]

  you're amazing twisty passages all alike [TS]

  indeed except I with actions going we've [TS]

  invented games with pictures now [TS]

  yes it's not the matrix so ready player [TS]

  one actually which is on many many times [TS]

  I know I touched the third rail here [TS]

  it's on many many ten best list of the [TS]

  best sci-fi novels of last year which is [TS]

  funny because I you can say ever and i [TS]

  thought you know lots of us didn't like [TS]

  it but I think one of the one of the [TS]

  criticisms we have of it is that is that [TS]

  he tries in great detail to depict a [TS]

  video game world that's not unlike i'm [TS]

  super advanced world of warcraft kind of [TS]

  thing where everybody lives in or or [TS]

  snow crash kind of metaphors right [TS]

  virtual reality world and and yet [TS]

  um he seems to get the details of [TS]

  massively multiplayer online games it's [TS]

  like totally wrong it's got no latency [TS]

  and it's all like like what like what [TS]

  like terabit connection and it takes you [TS]

  a year to go up a level with you tell [TS]

  people will totally keep playing if they [TS]

  never level WC that I was having a drink [TS]

  with the phone works at second life who [TS]

  actually like the novel yesterday [TS]

  because even though it's full he knows [TS]

  exactly how second life works he works [TS]

  there is a massively you know they have [TS]

  all these billions of servers and [TS]

  whatever he's like I didn't bother me [TS]

  really that's the part that I worse [TS]

  because it was the end of the plot had [TS]

  issues and characterization whatever but [TS]

  it was the technical implausibility that [TS]

  seemed most egregious because he works [TS]

  so hard at it i don't know i mean for me [TS]

  I didn't I thought the book was ok I [TS]

  wasn't a huge fan of it but i actually [TS]

  had no problem with that it was just it [TS]

  was one of those one of those things [TS]

  where they painted the world and they [TS]

  said alright this is a you know semi [TS]

  post-apocalyptic society here are the [TS]

  terrible things that happened but hey [TS]

  there are millions of data farms in the [TS]

  center and this is how this you know i'm [TS]

  gonna give you just enough again just [TS]

  enough information that you can paint a [TS]

  picture in your head I'm like you know [TS]

  what [TS]

  it's a fantasy book I'm not pretending [TS]

  its present a united states i mean i'm [TS]

  gonna believe that there's a magical [TS]

  future in which everybody has 0 [TS]

  see because i don't care because it's [TS]

  serving the story but contrast that with [TS]

  with neal stephenson's remedy which is [TS]

  also about massively multiplayer and he [TS]

  doesn't [TS]

  not only does he go into the details but [TS]

  Stephenson in general a he really [TS]

  understands technology and you know that [TS]

  if you read his books because it all [TS]

  works it makes sense but that was a [TS]

  great example of something that was not [TS]

  only it all worked but it was it was [TS]

  kind of fascinating the way he presented [TS]

  it he's got a great way of going off [TS]

  into these technical digressions that is [TS]

  is really interesting is tangential ya [TS]

  know that the game terrain in rear D by [TS]

  Neal Stephenson is a much more realistic [TS]

  world uh a realistic video game [TS]

  what's strange about that novel courses [TS]

  that 500 pages in he gets bored with [TS]

  that and decided that there may be more [TS]

  gamma way instead of thinking about his [TS]

  other sorry lost track of what he was [TS]

  waiting he had started different novel [TS]

  the middle but it's also good novel the [TS]

  second yeah no I mean but Randy and [TS]

  ready player one serv err two very [TS]

  different focuses whereas terrain and [TS]

  Randy is very much [TS]

  it's about the game it's not necessarily [TS]

  about playing the game but they're [TS]

  spending time talking about the [TS]

  background of the game and the game is [TS]

  the issue here whereas ready player one [TS]

  it's all about what they're doing in the [TS]

  game and all about the puzzles in the [TS]

  game so the game came out movies from [TS]

  the 1980s really that's the important [TS]

  thing now it's true and movies from the [TS]

  nineteen eighties make us all happy as [TS]

  learn from us and they yes they do they [TS]

  make me happy i don't know about you [TS]

  people but you're weird island and now [TS]

  it's time for special guest john [TS]

  Syracuse and hold fast really do onstage [TS]

  mines real genius is an excellent movie [TS]

  and you have to have a cold black heart [TS]

  to just like it anywhere on the DVD case [TS]

  John circus attempted yeah uh I wanted [TS]

  to mention that we talked about lots of [TS]

  nerdy things because this is what this [TS]

  is for but I wanted to bring up a novel [TS]

  from a popular culture that just bit [TS]

  massive best-selling novel of the last [TS]

  few years which is the girl with the [TS]

  dragon tattoo which I think lots of [TS]

  people have lots of people have read it [TS]

  and I find it fascinating because of two [TS]

  things one there is a super naturally [TS]

  brilliant computer hacker Elizabeth [TS]

  Salander who can put some software on [TS]

  your computer that lets her see your [TS]

  computer and its entire hard drive [TS]

  contents over the Internet [TS]

  anywhere and she has a complete copy of [TS]

  everything you've got at all times [TS]

  it's like the she should not be a [TS]

  computer hacker for hire [TS]

  she invented like instantaneous time [TS]

  machine she should be a billionaire [TS]

  crashplan is demonstrating that software [TS]

  later today i think it's it's having the [TS]

  proper problem the possibility that was [TS]

  a thing when i read that that part [TS]

  particularly got me because there are [TS]

  many he asked somebody talk to people [TS]

  about this clearly because they're [TS]

  aspects of it that are just right and [TS]

  then there are aspects of it that are [TS]

  completely ridiculous easy capable of [TS]

  figuring out which was which [TS]

  well and again the problem with steve [TS]

  larson in that book is that he goes into [TS]

  such specific detail and the the one [TS]

  that always sticks out in my memory is I [TS]

  think it's from the first book where [TS]

  she's like yes Elizabeth unpacked her 3g [TS]

  or her ibook g3 is 233 megahertz of [TS]

  round and I number to complain about the [TS]

  girl with the dragon tattoo which any [TS]

  mac user who is what who has read that [TS]

  book has to laugh and laugh at it he [TS]

  that guy was such a gigantic nerd it is [TS]

  it is so apparent it's hilarious because [TS]

  he wanted to detail to the to the amount [TS]

  of hard drive space and ram installed in [TS]

  all the mac laptops that are used by all [TS]

  the characters in that book and he does [TS]

  if you haven't read it it's amazing and [TS]

  as an editor I sit there and think why [TS]

  is this here but i love it that that [TS]

  that the author was so obsessed with the [TS]

  mac that he wanted to put in the specs [TS]

  of every characters laptop carried over [TS]

  here but to the movie tour the recent [TS]

  American movie anyways they there they [TS]

  use macs and that and in fact i think [TS]

  they use iphoto for a particular scene [TS]

  where they're like he's cataloging [TS]

  images from this parade in the nineteen [TS]

  fifties and discover something within [TS]

  the images they actually used I think [TS]

  all that was like real in the movie like [TS]

  they used all the correct features now [TS]

  but how many megahertz was the was only [TS]

  running and I for Megan's you know its [TS]

  masters what was like you look at a [TS]

  movie like Blade Runner and I don't [TS]

  think played forever irritates us about [TS]

  it [TS]

  I mean you know advanced zoom in [TS]

  quadrant four be zoo [TS]

  zoom zoom ok keep zooming down to the [TS]

  molecular structures areas you know that [TS]

  every minute hand students will give ya [TS]

  that means never bothers me in the [TS]

  structure of great storytelling [TS]

  fascinating movie the intensity like [TS]

  bothers me is tiny tiny bit because this [TS]

  the the the way what bother you a lot [TS]

  know I was going to say that the problem [TS]

  with blade runner is that replicates are [TS]

  totally not like that [TS]

  what's like what flying cover and tell [TS]

  me about your mother's a glowing of [TS]

  thing about him now and now we're going [TS]

  to administer the voigt-kampff test the [TS]

  gland right now onstage so let's simply [TS]

  with you you're reminded me of a scene [TS]

  in a movie which is my favorite [TS]

  technological craziness ever which is [TS]

  the movie I don't have anybody ever saw [TS]

  the movie enemy of the state will Smith [TS]

  and gene hackman it's it's sort of a [TS]

  unofficial gene hackman sort of plays a [TS]

  continuation of his character from the [TS]

  conversation a great friends for couple [TS]

  of them from the seventies but there's a [TS]

  scene where these NSA agents are [TS]

  tracking will smith and they think he's [TS]

  a spy or something and so the two of the [TS]

  two techniques are talking in the van [TS]

  and they're saying oh we got this camera [TS]

  view on on him but he's carrying a bag [TS]

  we want to know what these what's in the [TS]

  bag but we can't tell because he's in [TS]

  between us and the bet you know using [TS]

  between the camera and the bag [TS]

  this is what we can all right we'll [TS]

  rotate the rotate the image on along at [TS]

  on a 180-degree access to turn around [TS]

  and so the other guy goes it can do that [TS]

  and the first guy says it can [TS]

  hypothesize which from years my friends [TS]

  and I pretty good throw it can [TS]

  hypothesize it's so you can imagine what [TS]

  might be in the band the other side of a [TS]

  bag from an image it cannot get but it's [TS]

  also the shower part is that MIT later [TS]

  some guys did research of technology [TS]

  that's very much like this that was a [TS]

  good like extrapolate what was on a [TS]

  plane card on the other side of playing [TS]

  card it blew my mind I was like oh my [TS]

  god that's real there is technology that [TS]

  can do like they look at the reflections [TS]

  elsewhere and they can kind of back [TS]

  scatter the light and figure out what [TS]

  was what what I think this is like [TS]

  looking through the card and figure out [TS]

  like the razor equals crazy it is it is [TS]

  great so so okay we've spent the last 20 [TS]

  minutes griping about bad there's a lot [TS]

  of that technology stuff i mean being a [TS]

  natural expo I would be remiss if I [TS]

  didn't mention the [TS]

  find Sandra Bullock vehicle the net most [TS]

  notable perhaps for Dennis Miller [TS]

  playing an intrepid computer hacker who [TS]

  is who [TS]

  who is horribly killed halfway through [TS]

  spoiler alert sorry don't get attached [TS]

  to Dennis Miller in the net if you [TS]

  haven't seen it and we can actually do [TS]

  Miller here don't worry but but all the [TS]

  crowd seems in the tech trade show in [TS]

  the net are shot at macworld expo I just [TS]

  trivia [TS]

  there you go it is macworld expo as it [TS]

  was seen in the nineties is Philip [TS]

  Michaels in that though that's the [TS]

  important no no what is it honey ball I [TS]

  believe if the processor goes BB below a [TS]

  hundred megahertz than the bus exploded [TS]

  about bus exploded i was the plot of the [TS]

  net [TS]

  anyway so positive portrayals you have [TS]

  any examples of you know what does it [TS]

  right every we cover technology for a [TS]

  living and we also read you know and and [TS]

  watch movies watch TV [TS]

  what are the things that you see that [TS]

  you think you know that's pretty good [TS]

  they did a pretty dated a fair job with [TS]

  that might look go ahead whenever she [TS]

  ate you [TS]

  I appreciate that and and then will [TS]

  appreciate this references where you can [TS]

  take mine i will i will attract [TS]

  hopefully I won't write my my my one was [TS]

  to saying that I appreciate that it [TS]

  takes Han Solo a couple minutes to [TS]

  calculate a path through hyperspace that [TS]

  it's not just button hyperspace like no [TS]

  I don't calculate the precise [TS]

  coordinates and education and you know [TS]

  all that we could you know why did a [TS]

  black hole right through hyperspace [TS]

  ain't like Dustin crops boy [TS]

  oh yeah I was gonna say and this is a [TS]

  another particular relation to where we [TS]

  are defined san francisco-based tech [TS]

  movie sneakers are just my career movies [TS]

  of all time with sneakers and a small [TS]

  details aren't always there but i love [TS]

  the plot which basically involves a [TS]

  codebreaker that can break any code [TS]

  because there is a certain amount of [TS]

  mathematical they have a scene where a [TS]

  very very skinny and young Don alok was [TS]

  a mathematician explains that this [TS]

  theory is based on the fact that all [TS]

  encryption is essentially based on hard [TS]

  mathematical problems where it's really [TS]

  easy to multiply two incredibly large [TS]

  numbers together [TS]

  but it's really hard to then take that [TS]

  really large number and figure out what [TS]

  the original two numbers multiplied work [TS]

  now basically saying in the movie the [TS]

  ideas he comes up with an algorithm that [TS]

  makes it really easy to find out and [TS]

  then it turns it into a computer chip [TS]

  and it gets used to decrypt pretty much [TS]

  any system which is great i love it [TS]

  because it's kind of it's it's not [TS]

  exactly like a high-stakes thing but it [TS]

  is at the same time because it's just a [TS]

  computer chip but it has all these [TS]

  implications the implications that are [TS]

  interesting and so there are a couple [TS]

  great scenes where they use it to like [TS]

  the code information there's also my [TS]

  favorite scene ever which is involves [TS]

  Robert Redford you know trying to break [TS]

  into their office and he looks like this [TS]

  are the same i remember how to a to [TS]

  break a beating electronic keypad lock [TS]

  he listens for a minute uh-huh uh-huh [TS]

  uh-huh [TS]

  all right i'll give it a try and it [TS]

  kicks the door in here that worked like [TS]

  that for me that was one of my favorite [TS]

  moments and technology / Robert Redford [TS]

  foot kick the door in [TS]

  hey sometimes the brute force approach [TS]

  works so yes mine so I was a big fan of [TS]

  defying gravity a short-lived TV series [TS]

  of american canadian co-production that [TS]

  because i thought it was beautifully [TS]

  shot so expensively I think they [TS]

  couldn't continue to make this therapies [TS]

  in light of the even though joint [TS]

  production but what they did is they [TS]

  took a world that was slightly in the [TS]

  future not ridiculously far i think it [TS]

  was only living less than a hundred [TS]

  years the technology was beautifully [TS]

  plotted ahead so they're going on a [TS]

  grand voyage among all the planets it [TS]

  turned out to be a non sinister benign [TS]

  plots that was hidden from everyone to [TS]

  spend a trillion dollars to do this [TS]

  grand mission and learn and so forth and [TS]

  it gets a little involved as to why but [TS]

  all the technology involved was only a [TS]

  mild extrapolation but it was beautiful [TS]

  so this ship they made they had [TS]

  extensive hydroponics and and so forth [TS]

  and they figured out very carefully [TS]

  there will be some real problems if they [TS]

  didn't get this balance just right one [TS]

  episode this pit where they think the [TS]

  right at the Forgotten a tipping point [TS]

  is a term for it overlooked range [TS]

  whatever there's a term for where they [TS]

  reached where after that point they do [TS]

  not have enough you'll return without [TS]

  reaching the next planet where they're [TS]

  able to harvest fuel or what have you [TS]

  and the have a water filtration problem [TS]

  and it's not presented on [TS]

  it's a plumbing issue is presented as a [TS]

  serious thing it's actually crux of a [TS]

  plot element and it's exactly what would [TS]

  happen on that kind of mission is what [TS]

  we see nuns on some missions in orbit or [TS]

  to space shuttles that have occurred and [TS]

  what they presented in a matter-of-fact [TS]

  way that you been accepted so much you [TS]

  willing to take so much you can focus on [TS]

  the story and deal with some of the more [TS]

  mystical elements that were off to the [TS]

  side that's good [TS]

  it was cancelled like most are thanks [TS]

  backline I fallen short [TS]

  I have a liked it was cancelled i have a [TS]

  bunch of movies that I think do science [TS]

  right i mean the maybe the most obvious [TS]

  of them is really science fiction so [TS]

  much but we were talking about your [TS]

  genius upon and no real Jesus those [TS]

  lasers are real man they weren't really [TS]

  used in real genius they use the real [TS]

  key programmer alright okay i didn't [TS]

  like it out what you're gonna tell us a [TS]

  little bit about real you you're gonna [TS]

  make me without real you know real [TS]

  genius does actually not do a bad job of [TS]

  showing science in action and that it [TS]

  isn't like they just kind of like [TS]

  scribble some things up and flip the [TS]

  switch and it works there's like they're [TS]

  doing laser research and they're [TS]

  frustrated there at Pacific tech which [TS]

  is just a disguise Caltech and it goes [TS]

  through that they go through a lot of [TS]

  frustration and there's a a great moment [TS]

  of the Eureka moment where val kilmer is [TS]

  really upset that his laser is exploded [TS]

  because the nefarious races wearing Kent [TS]

  has put smudge the lens and it causes a [TS]

  conflagration in the laser lab and he [TS]

  goes out into his dorm a kitchenette and [TS]

  kicks the kicks the refrigerator open [TS]

  because he's just kicking everything and [TS]

  the liquid nitrogen comes out and he [TS]

  realizes that he could use liquid [TS]

  nitrogen to freeze the material that is [TS]

  using to make the laser in it and it's [TS]

  and then he runs to the lab and you seem [TS]

  kind of working it out and and it is [TS]

  kind of a neat moment to show that [TS]

  science takes hard work and it also [TS]

  takes sleeps and this is a movie that is [TS]

  not afraid [TS]

  multiple times to show montages set to [TS]

  music it was the eighties where people [TS]

  are studying or they're learning how to [TS]

  fire lasers or he's training in the [TS]

  slaughterhouse right with that [TS]

  that's real genius right II that the [TS]

  only runs up the stairs you may be [TS]

  thinking over there [TS]

  and let me also say less science [TS]

  accurate use of the haze command 80 [TS]

  man's memory he's about 80 command 8183 [TS]

  currently deployed and there is that the [TS]

  climactic and really not very good scene [TS]

  where there's a fake plane that that's [TS]

  badly dubbed into the scene they they [TS]

  remove a rom and replace it with [TS]

  instructions burned onto an eeprom [TS]

  programmable read-only memory and use [TS]

  that to swap in which was surprisingly [TS]

  accurate but yet yet this is what I was [TS]

  gonna say I was gonna mention Apollo 13 [TS]

  which i think is a great job of showing [TS]

  real science in action which you know [TS]

  and the computers and they end the the [TS]

  resourcefulness of the scientists uh i [TS]

  was going to it's not entirely a [TS]

  computer movie but i wanted to throw out [TS]

  some money ball which is a an Oscar [TS]

  nominee which i think if you haven't [TS]

  seen it even if you're not a baseball [TS]

  fan I think you might like it because [TS]

  that's a movie that's really about [TS]

  people using numbers and using [TS]

  techniques to understand things and in [TS]

  meeting resistance from people who [TS]

  haven't analyzed things that closely [TS]

  they've got an old way of thinking and [TS]

  it's very strange because it's a movie [TS]

  about ideas and I'm not really surprised [TS]

  it has gotten the reception it has and [TS]

  that got nominated for best picture [TS]

  because it's you know nothing happens in [TS]

  it other than people change their minds [TS]

  it's you know and their hearts and that [TS]

  would know just their minds their hearts [TS]

  are not involved at all and there's a [TS]

  caption settings 10 minute but and the [TS]

  other one would be contact the jury [TS]

  foster sci-fi movie which is from Carl [TS]

  Sagan's famous area and therefore his [TS]

  rigorous and there are lots of really [TS]

  nice bits in there about space even yes [TS]

  they create a spaceship that opens a [TS]

  dimensional portal but there's a lot of [TS]

  time spent like in the search for [TS]

  extraterrestrial intelligence where [TS]

  they're searching for signals and [TS]

  they've got a process the signals and [TS]

  they've been doing it a long time and [TS]

  then the truth of engineering where they [TS]

  build a two of everything because why [TS]

  build one when you can build two for [TS]

  twice the price is the historical how to [TS]

  get the sign-off from japan which is [TS]

  totally realistic so yeah we'll to these [TS]

  things and one gets old boiler one gets [TS]

  blown up you are you see that coming [TS]

  you forgot i didn't like 10 years ago [TS]

  that dogs gonna die no one got the Old [TS]

  Yeller dies in Old Yeller I'm sorry you [TS]

  forgot you forgot a the movie hackers [TS]

  now you because you didn't with a way to [TS]

  Jewish you could forget the movie [TS]

  hackers we all do with a not-so-good you [TS]

  see that it's not it has a that's some [TS]

  terrible terrible represent all right so [TS]

  since since we're at macworld should we [TS]

  talk a little bit about your favorite [TS]

  portrayals of the mac or the iphone and [TS]

  the ipad and in the in thing is your [TS]

  client you want to savage something or [TS]

  press apply and I have a very quick one [TS]

  which is in the original Charlie's [TS]

  Angels movie which way original [TS]

  charlie's angels but you've confused me [TS]

  how many are there three or four but it [TS]

  was the TV show and then they made the [TS]

  movies like The Drew Barrymore doing [TS]

  anything another TV super boring and [TS]

  that's what I'm talking about that [TS]

  series and so in that way in that movie [TS]

  where she plays a copy editor for that [TS]

  magazine in chicago or that newspaper [TS]

  Chicago copy editors do not have their [TS]

  own offices with around secretaries I'm [TS]

  sorry that's I think you're thinking [TS]

  organizations are exactly that [TS]

  journalists on this rental is alright [TS]

  sorry so there's that scene in the movie [TS]

  where is I don't know who is it is [TS]

  strong down on wires and she flips over [TS]

  and she's going to the main frame at the [TS]

  Oracle like the larry ellison run evil [TS]

  company it's very thinly veiled the [TS]

  trailer else and i believe and she gets [TS]

  in there and it's buttons and things [TS]

  open up and just you and what comes out [TS]

  i believe is a to CX motherboard which [TS]

  she pulls some chip out of and then [TS]

  closes back up that pretty sure I owned [TS]

  a computer with that motherboard of it i [TS]

  hope so since you recognize it on screen [TS]

  and I actually a very recent movie I've [TS]

  gotta give props and a little bit of [TS]

  finger wagging to which is the latest [TS]

  Mission Impossible movie which has a [TS]

  vertical yes ghost protocol which has a [TS]

  great i use of an ipad as a using an [TS]

  ipad app and what mile or is it some [TS]

  sort of reflective virtual reality [TS]

  screen they put up and they basically [TS]

  use the ipad to render out a you use the [TS]

  iPad camera they position it and the [TS]

  ipad camera sees whatever is behind them [TS]

  and tries to render the hallway they put [TS]

  up like a speak screen [TS]

  I got like a slideshow screen type thing [TS]

  like one of these and then they project [TS]

  from behind a picture of the hallway as [TS]

  it was when they were not there and then [TS]

  they slowly like to push up the screen [TS]

  and walk behind it and it uses the same [TS]

  kind of 3d technology that they're [TS]

  trying anything [TS]

  ya know it's it's true but at that was [TS]

  that was fun there are a couple of other [TS]

  I very funny moments they try and break [TS]

  into a mainframe it gets really really [TS]

  hot and they acknowledge the fact that [TS]

  all of these computers yeah probably [TS]

  going to burn you alive if you touch [TS]

  them because it's just all the steam you [TS]

  shut down the fan probably not great [TS]

  great idea and that they have of course [TS]

  the the moment where it's you know it's [TS]

  a Mission Impossible movie but not to [TS]

  spoil it I i did like the ipad scene [TS]

  they are i want to give a credit to it [TS]

  was very interesting is years ago they [TS]

  would show like people who want phones [TS]

  they want you things they would have [TS]

  liked fake you know like we talked about [TS]

  the media West thing on the phone what's [TS]

  funny is now all the phones are iphones [TS]

  on any TV show where they need to use [TS]

  something although i really enjoy the [TS]

  few episodes i've seen of various things [TS]

  where you can tell someone's like [TS]

  holding it upside down it was more [TS]

  apparent back with the original iphone [TS]

  had the black bottom in the silver [TS]

  casing but you definitely catch they [TS]

  were trying to cover the logo right [TS]

  because they often obscure the apple [TS]

  logo and so he would hold the phone up [TS]

  specific threat as a laugh everytime i [TS]

  see that my favorite MAC usage in a TV [TS]

  show i think is Veronica Mars the late [TS]

  lamented show about a young woman who is [TS]

  a private investigator because she's a [TS]

  frequently used macs on that show and [TS]

  they almost always use actual footage of [TS]

  the OS doing things copying files [TS]

  whatsoever so there's an episode of [TS]

  Friends where Chandler is reading a copy [TS]

  of mac or that's right there is one with [TS]

  dark world he hits the title is the one [TS]

  with one where Chandler is laying on the [TS]

  couch reading macworld and it's the it's [TS]

  the sea jobs returns to apple issue of [TS]

  macworld and I remember it because that [TS]

  was about two months before i started [TS]

  working in Macworld i worked at the [TS]

  competition and I remember being so [TS]

  angry that macro was on an episode of [TS]

  friends and now I look back and like and [TS]

  that's cool backgrounds and friends but [TS]

  my favorite mean my favorite MAC in the [TS]

  media moment is definitely Scotty from [TS]

  Star Trek for inventing uh inventing a [TS]

  complicated molecular structure [TS]

  transparent using using only the [TS]

  original mac keyboard because that is [TS]

  how you build complex molecular models [TS]

  is by typing well before you try to use [TS]

  Siri used VI mouse but but it does say [TS]

  something about Syrian about speaking [TS]

  two devices that Scotty's plan like they [TS]

  do on the enterprise when they talk to [TS]

  the computer as he picks up the original [TS]

  mouse is a low computer and the computer [TS]

  doesn't answer because it's an original [TS]

  mac and I looking back that movie was [TS]

  not that long after the original Matt [TS]

  came out so it's it's early days it's [TS]

  amazing they have the ability to build [TS]

  transparent aluminum in mac paint was [TS]

  gaudy is advanced he's from huge reward [TS]

  how primitive i bet i was like he wrote [TS]

  the code to do it and that was what he [TS]

  was typing and then it just came out [TS]

  because he was from the future i think [TS]

  it's interesting issue about the [TS]

  portrayal of technology and media that [TS]

  actual technology can be extremely [TS]

  tedious and so you have to spice it up [TS]

  right so the NSA is a great thing in [TS]

  three days of the Condor terrific [TS]

  terrific robbery referee maybe it's [TS]

  fantastic so many ways one of the things [TS]

  that's most kind of terrifying [TS]

  interesting about that movie and I think [TS]

  it turned out to be true in interviewing [TS]

  period is what is Robert Redford ooh [TS]

  he's a CIA a semi covert analysts [TS]

  examined you just read stuff all the [TS]

  time that's what they do in the office [TS]

  and they read and analyze the wrong [TS]

  thing and that's what the NSA spends [TS]

  most of its time doing the National [TS]

  Reconnaissance Office and with the mic [TS]

  still on [TS]

  wait what's what and most of them aren't [TS]

  doing it like it's just an office [TS]

  building in the middle of New York City [TS]

  that's right well it was a brownstone it [TS]

  was hit but is most of the work done in [TS]

  that space is to look at massive amounts [TS]

  of information not individually pull out [TS]

  patterns decipher its extremely it may [TS]

  be very interesting in particular [TS]

  especially if you're crippled up to [TS]

  apologist but it's a cryptogram her but [TS]

  it's a crypto biologists that's a whole [TS]

  other story [TS]

  cryptozoology took this long as Bigfoot [TS]

  over the NRA but the but the orange [TS]

  things like you know it's just [TS]

  technology i went to Facebook's data [TS]

  centers is the data center in Prineville [TS]

  Oregon a few months ago which was [TS]

  exciting and interesting and bizarre [TS]

  because its row after over 10 equipment [TS]

  there's nothing interesting there I [TS]

  could see some kind of saw like [TS]

  tomato mystery murder like a horror [TS]

  movie set in a datacenter absolutely why [TS]

  not but it's nothing you do you open up [TS]

  like look at all these amazing glowing [TS]

  lights like nothing spinning amazing SS [TS]

  commandant always it's all the rack that [TS]

  would be such a great climax to a movie [TS]

  to have much like a a chase and shootout [TS]

  people pulling like blade servers out [TS]

  using them to play i could happen [TS]

  eventually the Mission Impossible movie [TS]

  they're gonna fight in the dataset [TS]

  indignity and yet with people around the [TS]

  globe the heroes would pull the thing [TS]

  out and swing the computer to to hurt [TS]

  someone and someone in peoria my [TS]

  pictures just disappeared with mono huh [TS]

  strong boxes down what's going to ready [TS]

  to start looking into getting hit by the [TS]

  cloud really hurts [TS]

  you're gonna have to get points for that [TS]

  lets people I i think i was shot [TS]

  sometimes I think the best use of [TS]

  technology in in fiction is [TS]

  extrapolation of what we've got now and [TS]

  what that means for the future and [TS]

  that's what I love about science fiction [TS]

  that's involved in in in technology i [TS]

  just read a couple of books by charles [TS]

  stross which are you know I have my [TS]

  issues with them but they weren't the [TS]

  most exciting books to read but what I [TS]

  really liked about it is him trying to [TS]

  extrapolate uh our current technology [TS]

  out 20 years and say you know imagine if [TS]

  the police have a enhance reality of you [TS]

  with all of their policing data and yeah [TS]

  there's more surveillance of people and [TS]

  he's trying to project out what that [TS]

  means and it means things like anything [TS]

  you say the police is logged and can [TS]

  always be retrieved later and you know [TS]

  and how does that change the police and [TS]

  how does that change how people interact [TS]

  with the police and i love i love [TS]

  looking at think it's obvious we got [TS]

  this stuff now where are we going to be [TS]

  in 10-15 years we left out one of the [TS]

  best ones which is the one ever wants to [TS]

  talk about which is minority report [TS]

  right because we're all thinking about [TS]

  minority report you'll have the future [TS]

  you'll be able to gesture around and do [TS]

  things in the air and arm [TS]

  I mean that technology does now sort of [TS]

  existing microsoft kinect do stuff [TS]

  that's very much like that it's pretty [TS]

  cool but I just made up the Arab make [TS]

  sure and make sure what that's like if [TS]

  you're just using your computer home and [TS]

  I really need to put together my own [TS]

  newsletter for my family so may get some [TS]

  pictures alright text and email it up [TS]

  and send it and it's cut two doctors [TS]

  office dockets it on my back [TS]

  killing it tore my rotator cuff ya how [TS]

  did you do that i was sending an email [TS]

  scrapbooking yeah okay Oh touchscreen [TS]

  imax not a good idea how massive massive [TS]

  gesture just your basic interfaces we [TS]

  are almost out of time so before I know [TS]

  you look surprised did it fly by [TS]

  do you have more it's very like an evil [TS]

  you have I I before we go i'm just [TS]

  wondering if there's anything that we've [TS]

  left out that we should talk about about [TS]

  where technology built a big doctor who [TS]

  plans on this stage and a time machine [TS]

  technology has not yet been invented so [TS]

  what's on your sort of hilarious that of [TS]

  all the things eventually we don't like [TS]

  with like everything in doctor who is [TS]

  ridiculous i'm going to accept that [TS]

  isn't that the trick is that it is once [TS]

  you start to purport to be real and you [TS]

  start putting the details it goes back [TS]

  to authors wanting to show their work [TS]

  and say hi does research about this and [TS]

  now i will show it to you which one can [TS]

  be really boring and too can be really [TS]

  annoying if they get it wrong because [TS]

  they need to get it wrong for plot [TS]

  purposes and it's much better if they [TS]

  just either say something like Doctor [TS]

  Who which is completely ridiculous and [TS]

  just like there's a guy with a time [TS]

  machine it's bigger on the inside like [TS]

  all right or it's like suffice to say [TS]

  like what you said about ready player [TS]

  one suffice it to say there's an online [TS]

  world and it's a game and let me tell [TS]

  you my story now and I'm not gonna [TS]

  probably ready player one is that first [TS]

  chapter really gets into details that I [TS]

  really rather actually not know and just [TS]

  have him say trust me it's a virtual [TS]

  world and then there's a story I'm going [TS]

  to tell you and thatthat's better it's [TS]

  like once they get into the details then [TS]

  there then then it's boring and they're [TS]

  going to get them wrong with Willy [TS]

  wobbly timey-wimey as we exactly the [TS]

  grandeur the fantasy and the more [TS]

  ridiculous the technology and the better [TS]

  the story the more likely i am to [TS]

  believe it if its present day [TS]

  NCIS let's enhance the video it becomes [TS]

  ooh far less sense yes no enhance more [TS]

  intense again I'm if it's not if it's [TS]

  set 3,000 years in the future and [TS]

  they're on a spaceship and certain [TS]

  things I'm willing to let certain things [TS]

  go in the name of plot no yeah nothing [TS]

  bothered me more than seeing Jack Bauer [TS]

  with his palm treo that had like [TS]

  instantaneous live video gps [TS]

  collaboration with the people back at [TS]

  the CTU they have released that model [TS]

  it wouldn't have had to sell themselves [TS]

  yeah the guys from honestly if palm [TS]

  could do what they did on 24 [TS]

  homewood on all of us now that's why [TS]

  John Lewis very dating world is going on [TS]

  the village street now he's gonna create [TS]

  the CTU operating system for terror [TS]

  counterterrorism exactly he's getting I [TS]

  media for media TV that another well now [TS]

  that now that a webos has been open [TS]

  source all the other there's probably [TS]

  like a guy out there who's like I am [TS]

  your specialist in creating fake [TS]

  interfaces for movies and TV and my last [TS]

  meal somewhere it's true [TS]

  yeah alright so we've done enough damage [TS]

  to our selves and and macrolife stage [TS]

  for Stephen Fry has been mentioned so I [TS]

  think we're ok now has stephen fry ever [TS]

  miss you see fries a good user of [TS]

  technology seems like he's trying to [TS]

  steal all the work by doing everything [TS]

  and writing technology reviews also he's [TS]

  so talented in so many other ways he [TS]

  needs to leave our business alive I want [TS]

  demarcation I'll tell you demarcation as [TS]

  long as he doesn't become the voice of [TS]

  wikipedia and therefore become the [TS]

  actual hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy [TS]

  i will be fine [TS]

  yeah although he said it's funny if you [TS]

  don't know stephen Fry's not only a huge [TS]

  apple fan but he-he's gets invited to [TS]

  apple events now so we were at the ipad [TS]

  to launch writer was the original is an [TS]

  original iPad and original iPad were all [TS]

  their kind of blown away by the original [TS]

  iPad we're getting a look at it because [TS]

  it's not going to be out for a little [TS]

  while and and stephen fry is there its [TS]

  special ok it's what why are you here [TS]

  it's what it's like and he's carrying on [TS]

  from his friend Douglas Adams who was a [TS]

  big mac fan ever and douglas adams one [TS]

  of the great things about him was both [TS]

  his willingness to write in technology [TS]

  when it made sense about contemporary [TS]

  stuff and make up all kinds of things [TS]

  that weren't relevant didn't have to [TS]

  show his work well with the checkers are [TS]

  like that without you [TS]

  the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy the [TS]

  beauty of that is that you know that is [TS]

  prefiguring wikipedia in many ways and [TS]

  in the ipad and the idea had and it's [TS]

  great and I and the one of the you know [TS]

  terrible things about him having having [TS]

  died so young is that God would love to [TS]

  see douglas adams take on a lot of [TS]

  modern technology especially something [TS]

  like Wikipedia which I just know there [TS]

  is some incredible humor for him to mind [TS]

  from it that we know that we're never [TS]

  going to see but we do have the checkers [TS]

  guide [TS]

  what we do know the [TS]

  guns on AT&T so there is that and on [TS]

  that note I think we will close up the [TS]

  annual tradition of us sitting up here [TS]

  and saying things randomly live in front [TS]

  of an audience I would like to thank my [TS]

  guests Dan Morgan thank you very much [TS]

  for being here as always it's a pleasure [TS]

  to be here as always just isn't always a [TS]

  pleasure you just always here i'm always [TS]

  here it's not always apply ok thank you [TS]

  i want to clarify serenity call well [TS]

  thank you very much for being here it's [TS]

  always a pleasure to have you here [TS]

  I love being here maybe not always on [TS]

  this couch but I love being on this part [TS]

  is i was gonna make you to stay here [TS]

  overnight [TS]

  I mean Ryan ok I'm afraid my chair home [TS]

  yeah alright that's good i'm taking the [TS]

  stage home and Glenn fleischmann thank [TS]

  you for being here thank you very [TS]

  pressing us with your presence please [TS]

  insert twenty-five cents to continue a [TS]

  thank you and thanks to everybody who [TS]

  joined us screaming on the internet [TS]

  everybody who's here and shameless plug [TS]

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  to be uncomfortable which you can find [TS]

  at the incomparable not calm until next [TS]

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