The Incomparable

74: I`m Definitely Not a Girl

 

  the incontrovertible contest number 74 [TS]

  january 2008 well welcome back to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

  smell our topic today is movies for kids [TS]

  kids movies we love and joining me today [TS]

  are my guess [TS]

  Lex Friedman hi Lex hi how are you I'm [TS]

  doing well you have children i do I have [TS]

  three and you were once a child yourself [TS]

  where you're not as I recall I was okay [TS]

  good thank you no further questions for [TS]

  now another gasps John siracusa hi John [TS]

  hello jason i made it you made it it's [TS]

  good to have you here you have two [TS]

  children i do and also wants a child [TS]

  yourself that's what they'd only oh [TS]

  that's right there are the dye is there [TS]

  documentation for its is this a couple [TS]

  of Polaroids that's it alright fair [TS]

  enough we'll take that that's that's [TS]

  physical evidence so I guess we should [TS]

  start with but let's start with the [TS]

  rules right we have a list of of things [TS]

  we have to talk about we have talked [TS]

  about what kids movie is and how we [TS]

  define that and then we also have some [TS]

  movies that we're not going to talk [TS]

  about because we've covered them before [TS]

  or we might be covering in in the near [TS]

  future so to start I think we should [TS]

  talk about what a kids movie is I mean I [TS]

  i define this as movies that i would [TS]

  like to watch with my kids I that I [TS]

  think are of good quality that I enjoy [TS]

  watching but that they also enjoy [TS]

  watching I i tried to steer away from [TS]

  movies that the kids don't like the [TS]

  things that I find appalling that my [TS]

  children do like because I would like I [TS]

  would like it to be a family experience [TS]

  where everybody find something that they [TS]

  value does that sound about right what [TS]

  do you have with you guys to find this [TS]

  it's interesting that you said that [TS]

  because you know we did not speak about [TS]

  this before the show and my definition [TS]

  was going to be [TS]

  interestingly almost exactly the same [TS]

  like before add kids i would have had [TS]

  one definition of kids movie but now my [TS]

  definition of a kids movie is basically [TS]

  a movie that i want to show my children [TS]

  it's something that of course I think [TS]

  they'll enjoy it won't be too intense [TS]

  for them or whatever but also a good [TS]

  quality we like it you know i think my [TS]

  kids need to see this move [TS]

  because it's not just something trashy [TS]

  think they'll like like you know I don't [TS]

  know what your examples of horrible [TS]

  things that children do like but that [TS]

  you think is an adult horrible these are [TS]

  the movies that i want to show them so [TS]

  that's yeah that's basically my [TS]

  definition of a kids movie today is [TS]

  something that I really want my kids to [TS]

  see and you hope that they like it and [TS]

  enjoy it i would only add a to piggyback [TS]

  there that it's it's gotta be something [TS]

  that I'm willing to have them watch [TS]

  multiple times and quote and reference [TS]

  all the time because my kids if they [TS]

  really liked the movie will ask to see [TS]

  it repeatedly so it's gotta be something [TS]

  that I think will withstand repeated [TS]

  viewings for my own sanity in addition [TS]

  to their enjoyment and the definition [TS]

  for like when I was a kid that's a lot [TS]

  of overlap with that but some pre [TS]

  children were so what's the kid's movie [TS]

  i would say well there it would be the [TS]

  movie that i have fond memories of [TS]

  seeing as a child and there's a big [TS]

  overlap with that usually of this I [TS]

  movie that i liked as a kid I something [TS]

  that I want to show my children but [TS]

  there are exceptions of the things that [TS]

  I may have fond memories of as a kid but [TS]

  now as an adult either when I we're [TS]

  rewatching even without rewatching i [TS]

  know that you know in hindsight that was [TS]

  just garbage and really has no redeeming [TS]

  value and I see no reason to expose my [TS]

  kids to it right now I'm not a movie but [TS]

  I call about the scooby-doo factors i [TS]

  watched a lot of scooby-doo when I was a [TS]

  kid I saw an episode you know five years [TS]

  ago 10 years ago and was absolutely [TS]

  appalled at how awful it was on all [TS]

  fronts the everything about it was awful [TS]

  and I now think there's some stuff that [TS]

  I don't even want to see from my [TS]

  childhood because I hold it in in such [TS]

  high regard in my memory and I know that [TS]

  if I look back and it's going to take [TS]

  some things are better left to the [TS]

  memories of your childhood [TS]

  alright so we should also talk I think [TS]

  we've got a pretty good working [TS]

  definition of what we're calling a kids [TS]

  movie we should talk about things that [TS]

  we have already talked about we have [TS]

  done a couple of podcast about pixar [TS]

  although there's there there's probably [TS]

  more we could say about it maybe we will [TS]

  when the next pixar film comes out but [TS]

  we're not going to talk about pixar [TS]

  movies tonight because I we could this [TS]

  could just turn into another pixar [TS]

  podcast if we did that so suffice it to [TS]

  say I think gentlemen that Pixar movies [TS]

  are good in large part and and we're [TS]

  just gonna cite that and say yes they [TS]

  are and and you can listen to our to [TS]

  podcast about pics [TS]

  or if you'd like to hear more right [TS]

  where the pics are limitations not in [TS]

  place my selection tonight would [TS]

  certainly be a Pixar movie right and all [TS]

  the good things we said about pixar on [TS]

  that pixar episode assume that they all [TS]

  apply also to children because pretty [TS]

  much all those movies are suitable for [TS]

  children and pretty much suitable for [TS]

  children of all ages and all [TS]

  temperaments with the possible exception [TS]

  of like maybe the incredibles and maybe [TS]

  monsters inc for kids who are afraid of [TS]

  monsters right as some kids are i'm also [TS]

  going to say we're not going to talk [TS]

  about Star Wars even though we've talked [TS]

  about the Star Wars movies a lot and I [TS]

  think kids enjoy them and adults enjoy [TS]

  them but we've talked about the link so [TS]

  we won't talk about them and will [TS]

  continue to do so in future podcast and [TS]

  we will [TS]

  yes at least return the Jedi are not [TS]

  quite sure what happens after that but [TS]

  yes we will talk more about Star Wars [TS]

  and let's see what else we did an [TS]

  episode about the princess bride so I [TS]

  even though i think that's a movie that [TS]

  kids and parents can watch and enjoy [TS]

  their own levels we already talked about [TS]

  it so we shouldn't bring it up again [TS]

  other than right now agreed agreed [TS]

  alright and what does that leave us with [TS]

  miyazaki one of the things i wanted to [TS]

  do actually was talking about [TS]

  kiki's delivery service for this episode [TS]

  and jon said wait wait no no we should [TS]

  do a whole episode about miyazaki and I [TS]

  he convinced me we should do that and so [TS]

  we will do that we get a whole episode [TS]

  just on Kiki's Delivery the reasons i'm [TS]

  concerned but that may be a little bit [TS]

  too intense for the biggest so yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah so we will offer yes we'll do some [TS]

  miyazaki in the future so we're going to [TS]

  take the miyazaki stuff off the table [TS]

  but yes John John and I could probably [TS]

  do a couple hours about keys to recovery [TS]

  service so and and totoro possibly two [TS]

  so what we'll leave that for for a [TS]

  future podcast so now that we've talked [TS]

  about what we're not going to talk about [TS]

  and the subject matter i guess we should [TS]

  go around and talk about some kids [TS]

  movies we love we've got into the heart [TS]

  of it [TS]

  Lex tell me about tell me your selection [TS]

  so I'm gonna I'm gonna lead in with some [TS]

  that failed to make the cut very briefly [TS]

  however awhile flight of the navigator [TS]

  was my my top choice flatter than ever [TS]

  Gator being one of my early [TS]

  introductions to time travel was that [TS]

  back to the future which we've also done [TS]

  an episode about but flight of the [TS]

  navigator involves a boy who wakes up [TS]

  and it's five or so years in the future [TS]

  from when he went to sleep [TS]

  he's reunited with his family and they [TS]

  have to understand what happened in paul [TS]

  rubens in the movie [TS]

  well he's a voice in the movie and it's [TS]

  a live-action movie with a robotic voice [TS]

  involved it's even a blew my mind as a [TS]

  kid my problem is it's still good on [TS]

  repeat viewings but it is very dated [TS]

  visually and dialogue usually and it [TS]

  doesn't hold up very well so I decided [TS]

  my kids would not have the patience to [TS]

  sit through all the flight of the [TS]

  navigator [TS]

  I would pick the princess bride but [TS]

  rules preclude me from doing so and i [TS]

  gave heavy thought my most controversial [TS]

  rejection i think to galaxy quest which [TS]

  was originally conceived as an art movie [TS]

  the tim allen horny Weaver star trek [TS]

  sort of parody movie but they decided it [TS]

  would do better as a family movie and [TS]

  edit it down to a PG thing and you can [TS]

  even see the mouth saying very bad words [TS]

  when the audio is dubbed in saying much [TS]

  nicer words instead but I decided that [TS]

  since it's really you know it's a family [TS]

  movie and not as much of a kids movie [TS]

  that it didn't deserve to be here so [TS]

  that preface in mind i went with since I [TS]

  couldn't choose pixar I choose the the [TS]

  next best thing I went with Shrek I [TS]

  think that dreamworks does a lot of [TS]

  mediocre at best kids animated movies of [TS]

  that sort but I feel like the original [TS]

  shrek the first one and the first one [TS]

  only they really sort of nailed a unique [TS]

  niche of parodying the stories the kids [TS]

  are very familiar with by this time [TS]

  really making still very lovable [TS]

  characters having a very good sort of [TS]

  moral and having a great pics are asking [TS]

  two-tiered storyline where things are [TS]

  really geared for and very [TS]

  understandable and very clear to kids [TS]

  you know what's happening who the good [TS]

  guys are who the bad guys are and what [TS]

  to root for [TS]

  but at the same time being very [TS]

  entertaining to parents we're watching [TS]

  as well [TS]

  Shrek I've sky little skeptical [TS]

  okay well we're all pixar stops here so [TS]

  we're already looking down her nose at [TS]

  your selection is like allow you know I [TS]

  was [TS]

  good for DreamWorks move see but what [TS]

  where I think that pic that dreamworks [TS]

  really succeeded with track was that it [TS]

  was they could get away with not being [TS]

  as good as pixar because in many ways it [TS]

  was parroting a lot of what Pixar's all [TS]

  about you know Peck you know they they [TS]

  had a disney ask place to parody and [TS]

  they you know they had these characters [TS]

  who were anything but lovable you know [TS]

  shrek is literally an ogre and his love [TS]

  interest turns into one as well spoiler [TS]

  alert [TS]

  yeah but i mean i think it's probably [TS]

  Eddie Murphy's best work since the [TS]

  nineteen eighties in his role as the [TS]

  donkey and you know it's mike myers is I [TS]

  like mike myers more the early nineties [TS]

  than I did when he did this movie which [TS]

  came out in 2001 and he was actually as [TS]

  you may know filling in for Chris Farley [TS]

  who had already started recording the [TS]

  role of shrek but then died during the [TS]

  process and had to be replaced but i [TS]

  think mike myers a very good job he [TS]

  gives a lot of heart and emotion to [TS]

  shrek I think Cameron Diaz a good job [TS]

  and I and the reason i think it's i mean [TS]

  i agree if I could pick a Pixar movie i [TS]

  think i would pick monsters inc which i [TS]

  think is one of the best movies ever [TS]

  made but the shrek can get away like I [TS]

  said with being a little bit on the you [TS]

  know maybe not quite as good or as quite [TS]

  as polished as your typical pixar film [TS]

  would be because of its sense of humor [TS]

  it's a very different sense of humor [TS]

  from every other every other dreamworks [TS]

  movie and it's a very different sense of [TS]

  humor from what pics are usually goes [TS]

  for it's got a different kind of heart [TS]

  and it'sit's aware of its own faults and [TS]

  it's proud of them and it so it it [TS]

  doesn't mind and i don't know i really [TS]

  feel like the storytelling in shrek is [TS]

  very well paced the characters are very [TS]

  fun to get into the the you know the [TS]

  scary characters Lord Farquaad John [TS]

  Lithgow's voice of being 15 aren't very [TS]

  intimidating every any character that [TS]

  could scare you they've done something [TS]

  to make it not scary you know Lord [TS]

  Farquaad being very small and ridiculous [TS]

  41 and it's in the you know the dragon [TS]

  that you think maybe you're supposed to [TS]

  be scared of turns out to be really nice [TS]

  and falls in love with the donkey so I [TS]

  to me what makes it works so nicely is [TS]

  that [TS]

  for kids you know my kids especially my [TS]

  oldest is five and she gets terrified of [TS]

  everything you know if there's a witch [TS]

  in an episode of dora the explorer she [TS]

  runs from the room but she can get [TS]

  through shrek without panicking because [TS]

  of its sense of humor in the way treats [TS]

  its scary moments and she loves the [TS]

  funny moments and their slapstick and [TS]

  there's thinking humor and there's [TS]

  really funny setups and confusion and [TS]

  all sorts of things that I feel like are [TS]

  really very well paced and very well [TS]

  structured for a kid's enjoyment you [TS]

  find a pickup on the cultural references [TS]

  not it was not nearly as bad as for [TS]

  example robin williams and aladdin but [TS]

  there are a lot of jokes and gags and [TS]

  shrek that are of their time sort of the [TS]

  edges that do find your kids missing [TS]

  that or does if they miss it doesn't [TS]

  take away from the movie it's it's the [TS]

  latter when they're definitely missing [TS]

  it i mean there's there's jokes that [TS]

  certainly go over your head their heads [TS]

  when they're watching Trek and they just [TS]

  have you know no idea that they don't [TS]

  even recognize that they're missing this [TS]

  it's the nice thing is the references [TS]

  are done in a way that leave you [TS]

  confused about what am i missing right [TS]

  now you just have no idea that there's [TS]

  even a reference being made I think [TS]

  that's even true on the you know with [TS]

  with Pixar films where you know there's [TS]

  there's where's Jenny joke that's for [TS]

  the adults it you don't realize that [TS]

  you're missing the joke if you're the [TS]

  kid who just are continuing to be [TS]

  entertained by the parts that appeal to [TS]

  you but it's not like cultural [TS]

  references like where Robin Williams is [TS]

  doing you know what's this is William F [TS]

  Buckley yeah we're even or even whatever [TS]

  really big show [TS]

  what's that guy's name it Sullivan yeah [TS]

  i'm going to doing that impression I [TS]

  mean kitty I didn't you know I barely [TS]

  knew who had sold was my chemistry [TS]

  classes are as all the stalker right [TS]

  kids did have no idea what that [TS]

  impressed me i'm not sure and a little [TS]

  kids then it's gonna sail right over [TS]

  their heads my concern always with Shrek [TS]

  movies it is that those like with Latin [TS]

  they are baking it feels like there's a [TS]

  freshness date on the movie and I i [TS]

  remember at the time thinking really is [TS]

  this the right way to do this because [TS]

  pics are always and we mentioned this in [TS]

  pixar podcast always seems to be [TS]

  shooting for a timeless classic and [TS]

  trying to trying to have it be something [TS]

  that in 10 or 15 years it won't seem [TS]

  dated and with Shrek they you know and I [TS]

  think Jeffrey Katzenberg has something [TS]

  to do with us he was behind Aladdin when [TS]

  he was at Disney and obviously was one [TS]

  of the [TS]

  the three founders of dreamworks it I [TS]

  felt like with Shrek that same feeling [TS]

  of like well we're going to be current [TS]

  we're gonna go in the theater with [TS]

  topical references and I don't think [TS]

  kids are going to be confused by it but [TS]

  personally I look at that movie and [TS]

  think wow thats you know that this movie [TS]

  is going to date rapidly and I you know [TS]

  I should actually go back and watch [TS]

  track i think which because it is a good [TS]

  movie and I wonder how I feel now about [TS]

  you know ten-year-old topical references [TS]

  yeah I mean I I really feel like you [TS]

  know there's a also smash mouth [TS]

  yes you know it's got smash brothers got [TS]

  all star which every I believe every [TS]

  movie in 2001 was contractually [TS]

  obligated to include but I i believe it [TS]

  holds up well you know I only learned [TS]

  you know when I was prepping for the [TS]

  show i was reading a little bit about it [TS]

  and I only learned now that the Farquaad [TS]

  character was meant to be a caricature [TS]

  of michael eisner that then disney's CEO [TS]

  I mean I knew at the time the Farquaad [TS]

  was you know and i think you know [TS]

  certainly my kids miss Farquaad itself [TS]

  is a word or name that sounds like it's [TS]

  very borderline vulgar or crass which [TS]

  certainly my kids don't get and I i [TS]

  didn't get at the time and I it took me [TS]

  to reading you know earlier this week [TS]

  that it was that Michael Eisner [TS]

  reference and I feel like all the all [TS]

  the other references references that are [TS]

  a little bit dated now they don't phase [TS]

  me and I don't think they face my kids [TS]

  at all it's because you know they get [TS]

  references that are built in just for [TS]

  them like you know my five-year-old [TS]

  again pointed out that the story of [TS]

  shrek and fiona is very beauty and the [TS]

  beast ask only floating around right [TS]

  yeah and that's what you you mentioned [TS]

  something about about wet track is [TS]

  parenting it's not really parenting [TS]

  pixar it's parenting disney movies and [TS]

  right and does a great job of that and [TS]

  and and those are classics and so [TS]

  parodying these classics is that that's [TS]

  my favorite stuff in this movie is when [TS]

  it's really taking on the you know sort [TS]

  of overly prissy disney movies I i think [TS]

  really it's attacking the disney [TS]

  attitude about its movies from the past [TS]

  and saying oh these are classics and we [TS]

  love them and tweaking that a little bit [TS]

  or a lot but i love that part of this [TS]

  but i would even argue its broader I [TS]

  don't feel anything I think you're right [TS]

  it's certainly the number one [TS]

  disney movies but I feel like it's all [TS]

  of fairytale land no it'sit's all [TS]

  children's stories and children's movies [TS]

  hear it i think my favorite scene [TS]

  remains you know when i'm fiona is [TS]

  singing and I don't even want to ruin [TS]

  the scene now in the movies 10 years old [TS]

  know if you wanna everything these [TS]

  high-pitched music and causes i believe [TS]

  it's a bird [TS]

  if memory serves properly to explode [TS]

  because she's being so high i love that [TS]

  joke i think that joke works on any [TS]

  level and that's right out of what does [TS]

  that snow-white that's right yeah it's [TS]

  like culturally relevant to children [TS]

  because usually the first movie show [TS]

  very young children are the ones that [TS]

  are kind of pricey and and gentle and [TS]

  not scary so a lot of those are the very [TS]

  early disney movies and then when they [TS]

  can get a little bit older if you show [TS]

  them attractive it's relevant to them [TS]

  because for their entire life up to that [TS]

  point they had been read these stories [TS]

  and now it's skewering it you know it's [TS]

  like it's like a twist for them like wow [TS]

  skewering fairy tales you know I thought [TS]

  the dress for fairy tales and obviously [TS]

  the FBI the concept of turning something [TS]

  on its ear you know anything i think [TS]

  that it that the kids really like about [TS]

  shrek is that it's just you know the [TS]

  same thing we got out of maybe tom and [TS]

  jerry are just slapstick kids love slaps [TS]

  the end there can be that you know [TS]

  hollow slapstick that's not really of [TS]

  any value but if you can put good [TS]

  slapstick in a movie with kind of a [TS]

  point and you know and a lesson is not [TS]

  it you know shrek has that going forward [TS]

  amidst all the pop culture references [TS]

  and everything so I i wanna say [TS]

  something about what they do with [TS]

  Princess Fiona which i really like is it [TS]

  in terms of turning the fairytale and [TS]

  the images of the fairytale on a TED she [TS]

  starts out and I mean it's cameron diaz [TS]

  is where she starts out as this pretty [TS]

  princess pretty pink princess basically [TS]

  and turns into an ogre and stays as an [TS]

  ochre right in stays with Shrek and in [TS]

  terms of you know she's because she [TS]

  starts as a little pretty thing and she [TS]

  turns into an ogre and she's big and fat [TS]

  yeah it's not a city manager sexy [TS]

  Cameron Diaz over its not Sam Freddie as [TS]

  in green and that's her being herself [TS]

  and that's how she remains and i love [TS]

  that that's what happens in this movie [TS]

  to turn around [TS]

  whole kind of all the pretty all the [TS]

  pretty supermodel e skinny princesses [TS]

  with the blond hair and you know it and [TS]

  and Fiona it you know ends up becoming [TS]

  embracing her life as as an ogre in her [TS]

  in her body that is you know big and [TS]

  clumsy and and and hers and it's who she [TS]

  is perhaps the bravest artistic choice [TS]

  ever made by DreamWorks okay haha i will [TS]

  say the one but the one reason that I [TS]

  you know I really do like moving i think [TS]

  it does it state withstand the test of [TS]

  time I think it's even still looks good [TS]

  today the one reason that I was hesitant [TS]

  that was it has several instances of [TS]

  very much geared towards adults I guess [TS]

  teenager humor where it's we're leading [TS]

  into more adult and I think it needs to [TS]

  go there's a line when Shrek and Donkey [TS]

  first sea lord farquaad's castle and [TS]

  tricks as you think he's compensating [TS]

  for something and you know kids probably [TS]

  think well Lord Farquaad shirt so that I [TS]

  met with a short but that's that's an [TS]

  adult joke and there's multiple [TS]

  occurrences and I I like these jokes I [TS]

  just I feel like the movie could have [TS]

  done without them and maybe been sweeter [TS]

  for it i think i think that comment [TS]

  section joke is a perfect example of a [TS]

  double meaning that where you can read [TS]

  it as the innocent way and that's fine [TS]

  right right was gonna but there's a [TS]

  couple of this is where they especially [TS]

  with rhyming they lead into where you [TS]

  think they're going to say something [TS]

  audience then don't you know that [TS]

  there's the disney style song when you [TS]

  first get to to the the castle where [TS]

  they watch that little the video we're [TS]

  seeing you know please keep off the [TS]

  grass [TS]

  shine your shoes wipe your face and [TS]

  there's a hyatt that there's a line we [TS]

  think they're going to say that somebody [TS]

  likes to get laid to run with word made [TS]

  but they actually anything that he likes [TS]

  to get paid but with a little pause [TS]

  there first and it [TS]

  my kids don't get those jokes but you [TS]

  know one day we'll get those jokes and [TS]

  then a movie that was sweet and innocent [TS]

  will be slightly less serious business [TS]

  and I don't think it's I think it's [TS]

  terrible but it was the one element that [TS]

  gave me pause before I endorse it but I [TS]

  stand by my endorsement of shrek it's [TS]

  really good to watch it again all right [TS]

  in a previous podcast I didn't even [TS]

  mention this when we were listening all [TS]

  the rules and conditions and terms that [TS]

  precede this a this podcast i mentioned [TS]

  in our superhero episode three works as [TS]

  movie megamind which not for me to have [TS]

  the incomparable praise will ferrell [TS]

  movies but i really like megamind I [TS]

  think it's you know it's not the [TS]

  incredibles but what is but I actually [TS]

  think it's a very good movie and it's [TS]

  the DreamWorks animated movie that i [TS]

  have liked the best [TS]

  and in that it's maybe not as brave a [TS]

  choice but the fact that they cast Brad [TS]

  Pitt as Superman and make him not even [TS]

  the villain but make him a coward [TS]

  uh-huh i think is kind of great anyway [TS]

  so good choice Lex Thank you Thank You [TS]

  Jon you're up [TS]

  so my choice is the neverending story [TS]

  and this is a little bit of an older [TS]

  kids movie I think about when I showed [TS]

  it to my kids and when i'm thinking of [TS]

  things I want my children to see it's [TS]

  like the same criteria said before so [TS]

  it's something that I loved as a kid [TS]

  something that I think has redeeming [TS]

  value but the third category is [TS]

  something that I think will like bring [TS]

  them into the next stage of emotional [TS]

  development or whatever so obviously [TS]

  when the kids are very young you're [TS]

  showing them only very gentle rated g [TS]

  movies you don't be scared you're trying [TS]

  to figure out what your kid is like is [TS]

  the kind of kid who is going to run [TS]

  screaming from the room the moment [TS]

  something scary comes on the screen your [TS]

  power so as the kids get older you start [TS]

  to get a feel for what they can handle [TS]

  and the neverending story for me I saw [TS]

  when I was much older them then when I [TS]

  showed it to my children but I remember [TS]

  just being it being like the the most [TS]

  emotionally wrenching movie i had seen [TS]

  to date because apparently i had only [TS]

  been exposed to I guess star was [TS]

  probably would have been worse but that [TS]

  was just so ingrained in my psyche that [TS]

  it wasn't like i don't know i i'd seen [TS]

  it so many times you know I couldn't [TS]

  really remember what those scenes did to [TS]

  me in the same way about the neverending [TS]

  story it's like it's gonna be like a [TS]

  fairy tale and we're going to see you [TS]

  know princesses and it's like a boy and [TS]

  a horse you don't know anything about [TS]

  what I'm always gonna be like before you [TS]

  go into it when your kid and the stuff [TS]

  that happens in that movie like it it's [TS]

  not it's not the wire ok it's not it's [TS]

  not gritty drama or whatever but for [TS]

  kids movie [TS]

  it's very very intense and and that's [TS]

  that's what sticks with me about the [TS]

  movie and I wanted to show it to my [TS]

  children to sit to sort of open up that [TS]

  world of deeper emotions associated with [TS]

  movies where there's not there's not [TS]

  slapstick it's not the hero is not [TS]

  protected by by the magic script and [TS]

  everything turns out okay for them and [TS]

  you know like it's more of a movie with [TS]

  an arc and at the same time I think it's [TS]

  great for kids because it's got you know [TS]

  monsters and and berries and magic and [TS]

  and and the framing story of a boy is of [TS]

  a similar age you know and all that [TS]

  stuff up so really i was going to my son [TS]

  who was it was seven my daughter is a [TS]

  tough cookie and she wants to see [TS]

  everything that he sees and she's not [TS]

  really scared by stuff but i think i [TS]

  think a lot of it was lost on her but [TS]

  for a seven-year-old boy think it's [TS]

  about the right age as long as I can be [TS]

  too scared by this type of thing to [TS]

  expose them to this movie and the real [TS]

  test of what that the part where i was [TS]

  watching i do this one I'm trying to [TS]

  make it i will it i watch her with them [TS]

  but a certain point i'm not watching the [TS]

  movie i'm watching them to see what [TS]

  their little faces do and you know [TS]

  something obviously if my daughter [TS]

  leaves the room she to the board or [TS]

  scared or if she wants that curl with me [TS]

  or whatever my son is kind of past the [TS]

  age where you will curl up he's got a [TS]

  little bit of a macho thing going but [TS]

  you can see it on his little face so the [TS]

  scene i always think about my was [TS]

  watching then watch this movie was when [TS]

  the horse our text starts to sink in [TS]

  that was the name of that the swamps of [TS]

  sadness or something like that where [TS]

  went that as you get more sad that the [TS]

  the swamp follows you and the only way [TS]

  the hero can stay above this by keeping [TS]

  himself for being said but eventually [TS]

  they been wandering this month or so [TS]

  longer the horse starts to lose heart [TS]

  and the horse starts to sink and pretty [TS]

  much in every movie these kids had seen [TS]

  up to that point when you have a scene [TS]

  like this where you know environment or [TS]

  monsters about to eat the beloved you [TS]

  know pet or especially with animals so [TS]

  much it seems like it's almost easier [TS]

  and kids movies to off a bunch of kids [TS]

  are getting my monsters but never the [TS]

  pets right so the horse starts to sink [TS]

  and i know you gotta keep trying artex [TS]

  you got you got to believe whatever [TS]

  eventually the horse gets out and [TS]

  the triumphal music plays after the sad [TS]

  music and yes you rescue the horse and [TS]

  wasn't that close this one [TS]

  no the horse sinks she sinks into the [TS]

  mud and the kids left sitting there [TS]

  covered in mud and his favorite little [TS]

  horse is now dead and that like that's [TS]

  the turning point I feel like that was a [TS]

  turning point in my childhood that like [TS]

  the whole the horses got no he's going [TS]

  to come out of that mud right [TS]

  no no it's gone I mean obviously they [TS]

  have the big turnaround the end where [TS]

  the entire world is reconstructed and [TS]

  thats all thats when it would then you [TS]

  know so it's not it's not a downer movie [TS]

  for kids but there's so many parts of [TS]

  the movie they're like that the hero in [TS]

  this movie doesn't do well in many of [TS]

  the hero type things in both the framing [TS]

  story and and then in the major story [TS]

  things go very badly and not badly in a [TS]

  way that you think can be recovered by [TS]

  the end of the movie just Little Rock's [TS]

  floating in space and everybody's [TS]

  depressed and everything nice creampie [TS]

  why are you reading me this thing yeah [TS]

  thats good friends private princess [TS]

  bride sort of goes like that but it's [TS]

  more slack it's kind of like you're [TS]

  talking about how shrek makes the scary [TS]

  characters are the scary by sort of [TS]

  undercutting them with humor right this [TS]

  is like the first like the first step [TS]

  beyond that were you know where you can [TS]

  say no we're actually not going to [TS]

  undercut this for you you know like [TS]

  stepping up the ladder of you know [TS]

  movies that you might watch because I [TS]

  feel like you have to see a movie like [TS]

  this before [TS]

  you're exposed to I don't like like a PG [TS]

  I can't think of a good example but yeah [TS]

  this movie is it definitely kids movies [TS]

  for kids and stuff in it for kids it's [TS]

  it's aimed at that age group but but it [TS]

  pushes the kids and if you should if you [TS]

  were to showcase you go to write from [TS]

  like a Disney friendly movie to one of [TS]

  those movies that supposed to have [TS]

  dramatic things happen and it said [TS]

  things happen I don't know they would [TS]

  make the transition or it was just like [TS]

  bounce off them or they were rejected or [TS]

  whatever and this is just a great bridge [TS]

  movie into the larger world of movies or [TS]

  actual dramatic things app I've never [TS]

  seen this moving never oh my god you [TS]

  need to see the smoke now sit in this in [TS]

  rewatch I must admit I have only seen [TS]

  some of the neverending oh my god i [TS]

  thought this is one of these movies that [TS]

  like every text is that why you didn't [TS]

  do the holiday a christmas story in the [TS]

  holiday movies you've never seen a Jason [TS]

  and I have seen that you can talk about [TS]

  it [TS]

  seen that so it once what I will say [TS]

  what i will say on re watching this [TS]

  movie because the memories of this movie [TS]

  loomed very very large in my head and so [TS]

  we're watching with my kids was the [TS]

  first time I'd watched it I don't know [TS]

  decades a long long time and it had it [TS]

  it held up pretty well but it did have [TS]

  that that thing that most kids movies [TS]

  that you haven't seen in awhile have is [TS]

  that a you don't realize how short it is [TS]

  like that there's like five scenes you [TS]

  know it's like this happens that happens [TS]

  that I'm in the end users like wow that [TS]

  seems so much longer the ark and the [TS]

  journey of this hero seem like so much [TS]

  more arduous and really it's like yet 20 [TS]

  minutes of film right because when your [TS]

  kid the time expands and you feel like [TS]

  the movies longer so the movie is [TS]

  shorter than you think and I was also [TS]

  worried about the effects because it's [TS]

  all know what year was this movie made a [TS]

  1984 so it's all latex and there's not [TS]

  even any green screen is just latex and [TS]

  strings and maybe there's a little bit [TS]

  of green screen at one point that's what [TS]

  I was gonna ask you that I feel like the [TS]

  effect would appear dated to fit the [TS]

  effects are dated but the movie doesn't [TS]

  hinge on them especially I i would say [TS]

  that the parts they really work for me [TS]

  like a resemble the horse in the swamp [TS]

  it's a real horse ok so that works fine [TS]

  it's real mud it's real you know [TS]

  physical effects everywhere and even the [TS]

  bit were at one point I can't just ruin [TS]

  the horse time for Jason I love your [TS]

  kids will get hosting is dangerous [TS]

  student John I i'll take the boards at [TS]

  one point that that the hero is climbing [TS]

  on top of a giant beasts which I'm sure [TS]

  is like a model or miniature some sort [TS]

  of composite must have been done there [TS]

  but but it's a practical effect you know [TS]

  it was something with some it's all in [TS]

  camera or maybe some optical compositing [TS]

  but it comes off really well not the [TS]

  things that don't come up well as [TS]

  obviously the budget was low and set [TS]

  your small a lot of times they're [TS]

  they're inside a studio and they have to [TS]

  make it look like it's outside its [TS]

  clearly inside and it's kind of like it [TS]

  a bad TV show on PBS with a bunch of [TS]

  people wearing rubber latex stuff but [TS]

  that's just not what the movie is about [TS]

  and like so many of these things kids [TS]

  seriously can't tell i'm not getting [TS]

  back to another long-standing top that [TS]

  we should do a show about eventually but [TS]

  like video games when I show my children [TS]

  look very old video games they they [TS]

  honestly a cannot distinguish and be [TS]

  even when press [TS]

  just can't tell you which game looked [TS]

  better or look fancier or is new or [TS]

  anything like that they just they just [TS]

  simply don't see it so the effects of [TS]

  this are dated but I still highly highly [TS]

  recommended and Jason yes I can't [TS]

  believe well you're probably too old to [TS]

  tune to get the magic this movie and you [TS]

  can sort of my kids [TS]

  it may be too intense for your younger [TS]

  child but alright I give it give it a [TS]

  watch by yourself you may have to get [TS]

  into that childlike mindset to get over [TS]

  the fact that it seems like you know [TS]

  it's like 90 minutes long or whatever it [TS]

  is it's there's not much there but trust [TS]

  me when your kid there's a lot there [TS]

  alright well i watch out for that i'll [TS]

  put on the list [TS]

  neverending story i had how do you feel [TS]

  about the sequel by the way out now this [TS]

  equals it's kind of like Star Wars those [TS]

  those are the movies just don't just [TS]

  pretend I'm not understood i just always [TS]

  think of them the the attorney John [TS]

  let's let's on the simpsons when he says [TS]

  you know this will be the biggest class [TS]

  that case online advertising Lionel hats [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  this will be the biggest case of false [TS]

  advertising since the neverender is [TS]

  never ending story the neverending story [TS]

  part 2 [TS]

  that's that's what I think I don't think [TS]

  I ever even got through then everything [TS]

  started with her i think i started [TS]

  watching everything started part 2 and [TS]

  and watched like whatever year it came [TS]

  out and was just disgusted by it and [TS]

  said right now forget it [TS]

  no and if there are more movies it came [TS]

  out six years later and was it sounds [TS]

  like the the adaptation of this book was [TS]

  a complete disaster [TS]

  business-wise and he sued because he [TS]

  thought the movie was not enough like [TS]

  his book and you know there's a whole [TS]

  you can read it all on Wikipedia but [TS]

  yeah I know I never a movie is the movie [TS]

  I've never had any knowledge of the book [TS]

  and all I know is the second movie was [TS]

  so awful that even or whatever age I was [TS]

  at that time I could not watch it and [TS]

  then I think I rode off [TS]

  it's very impressive that something [TS]

  called the neverending story actually [TS]

  runs 90 minutes [TS]

  that's what does see it doesn't actually [TS]

  I don't want to ruin it ok that there is [TS]

  a point of the story which I my children [TS]

  quiz me on this to at the end of the [TS]

  thing that likable then why was it [TS]

  called a never-ending started to explain [TS]

  it Im hopefully I won't have I want two [TS]

  horses to you Jason wants to do with a [TS]

  dead horse but rather to be glue in [TS]

  rather than beating a dead horse [TS]

  let's move on i am going to talk about [TS]

  well maybe we'll do a second round here [TS]

  for a quick a quick second round but [TS]

  first let me talk about my three good [TS]

  movies [TS]

  oh boy i'm going to talk about the iron [TS]

  giant a strange lost movie for I think [TS]

  it's now being recognized as a classic [TS]

  but it didn't really do when it came out [TS]

  written and directed by brad bird you [TS]

  may have heard of him [TS]

  he he he went on to do the incredibles [TS]

  and ratatouille and and mission [TS]

  impossible for I guess right John [TS]

  yeah but just so that today it was no [TS]

  incredible tell you that now but what is [TS]

  again the iron giant I is a traditional [TS]

  hand-drawn cel animation are animated [TS]

  feature voice I don't know who the kid [TS]

  the voice of the kid is his mom is [TS]

  jennifer aniston his buddy is a is Harry [TS]

  Connick and the voice of the Iron Giant [TS]

  is Vin Diesel and unrecognizable [TS]

  basically as the Iron Giant and it's [TS]

  just it's set in the fifties in height [TS]

  of the Cold War and an alien robot that [TS]

  alien robot killing machine crashes to [TS]

  earth and is essentially taken in by a [TS]

  kid who learns to hide them in his barn [TS]

  and learns how to how to feed him metal [TS]

  scraps in order to in order to keep him [TS]

  alive and and it's just it's an [TS]

  incredibly sweet story it's got some [TS]

  scary parts where the the where the kid [TS]

  discovers the giant this kid Hogarth [TS]

  whole Garth as the giant says and it's a [TS]

  and the army there's that there's a a a [TS]

  really awful kind of slimy government [TS]

  man whose God who is the actor place [TS]

  that mr. McDonald christopher mcdonald [TS]

  who does a great job playing slimy guys [TS]

  in general invested a fantastic job [TS]

  playing that the government man who [TS]

  comes John Mahoney is is the army [TS]

  general he kind of dupes into the into [TS]

  into believing that there's a giant bear [TS]

  giant robot there which turns out there [TS]

  is a giant robot there it and and so [TS]

  then the Army's called and they're going [TS]

  to destroy the robot they're gonna and [TS]

  it gets dark they're going to the US [TS]

  Army is going to nuke this seaside town [TS]

  in Maine in order to protect the rest of [TS]

  the country from this robot who is not [TS]

  threatening anybody and uh and so the [TS]

  robot has to save the day and and it's [TS]

  just a and there's a their references [TS]

  for superman and and the robot has [TS]

  aspirations the robot is a killing [TS]

  machine that is rethinking its [TS]

  programming so there's kind of an [TS]

  anti-war message and how even though [TS]

  even people with weapons or robots who [TS]

  are weapons can choose not to use them [TS]

  which actually made me think a little [TS]

  bit of war games when I when I watched [TS]

  it seems like it's got a simple it's a [TS]

  it's a an anti-war movie about weapons [TS]

  anyway I think it's a fantastic movie [TS]

  that is overlooked because it you know [TS]

  it's not a Disney movie it's not a Pixar [TS]

  movie kind of fell through the cracks [TS]

  and and it and yet anybody who loved [TS]

  pixar movies including including the [TS]

  movies by brad bird really should check [TS]

  out the iron giant I i do believe that [TS]

  it is an animation classic that just is [TS]

  not as widely known as it should be [TS]

  because it was released by Warner [TS]

  Brothers i think in kind of sunk beneath [TS]

  the sea when it was initially released [TS]

  but it is it has become a classic what [TS]

  kind of animation is it is a computer [TS]

  animators you know it sell it sell [TS]

  hand-drawn cel animation to a lot of [TS]

  talk about the Iron Giant is CG though [TS]

  so that's one of the is one of the first [TS]

  movies to use computer graphics in a in [TS]

  a Cell drawn movie so they don't make it [TS]

  doesn't see Jason she in the same way [TS]

  that a lot about is Rama in futurama cg [TS]

  it's a siege its 3d animation affecting [TS]

  a 2d look exactly [TS]

  yeah and that was one of the first [TS]

  movies to do that and I think it works [TS]

  extremely well because they chose to do [TS]

  all the humans obviously and hand [TS]

  drawings and all the backdrops more or [TS]

  less it sometimes they do vehicles and [TS]

  roads and camera pans with some 3d [TS]

  romantic stuff but then the iron is [TS]

  always 3d [TS]

  and so he looks like the other and did [TS]

  the big imposing thing I'm a and gives [TS]

  that it's kinda like either use 3d and [TS]

  futurama suffix so to draw in [TS]

  traditional animation things with the [TS]

  sweeping cinematic camera moves that [TS]

  were used to nowadays it's very very [TS]

  difficult to draw that in a way that [TS]

  yeah that did you keep the perspective [TS]

  exactly right and the things don't look [TS]

  like they star becomes shape and whereas [TS]

  if you do 3d model you know swing the [TS]

  camera around all you want to the [TS]

  whatever dramatic scenes and they take [TS]

  advantage of that and that in this movie [TS]

  doing those type of camera moves and it [TS]

  and it makes the movie I remember him [TS]

  when I originally saw this movie I think [TS]

  I when I first came out it looks very [TS]

  very different from any other animated [TS]

  movie you've seen the same time you know [TS]

  it looks like traditional cel animation [TS]

  but it looks different and it's not and [TS]

  it's not really it's not just the art [TS]

  but it's also the setting this is this [TS]

  is a movie about the Cold War and the [TS]

  Red Menace and you know the fifties at [TS]

  and an age that I don't think really [TS]

  resonates with kids who heard it you [TS]

  know when that movie come out it was a [TS]

  1999 know seven or eight year old boy [TS]

  has any idea about anything about the [TS]

  fifties unless this is parents are [TS]

  history nuts you know me right but it [TS]

  resonates for people from the 50 so it's [TS]

  kind of a shame like this is a movie [TS]

  that like that like missed its audience [TS]

  where people who lived through an error [TS]

  i think would enjoy this movie but in my [TS]

  experience people who live in that area [TS]

  era are more dismissive animation movies [TS]

  you know those like is the kids movies [TS]

  like a cartoon or whatever this movie [TS]

  it's a great kids movie and I showed it [TS]

  to my children they enjoy it but they're [TS]

  they're missing so many levels of this [TS]

  movie I feel like this is a better movie [TS]

  for adults who are you not to be a baby [TS]

  were very cute baby over his kids of [TS]

  baby boomers whoever can appreciate [TS]

  animation without you know it at all [TS]

  levels without dismissing it because its [TS]

  animation because it really is it you [TS]

  know you could do a live action version [TS]

  this movie at with it with a different [TS]

  tone and would you know like all this [TS]

  such a serious important movie and the [TS]

  Oscars were but because it's animations [TS]

  like met you know some silly kids movie [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah well also the giant robot but but [TS]

  no i i i i agree with you i think that I [TS]

  although given [TS]

  it came out 99 I think that given how [TS]

  much fear people felt in you know in the [TS]

  decades that followed that the movie [TS]

  might see more relevant than I think [TS]

  everybody was feeling a little [TS]

  comfortable in 1999 and the idea that [TS]

  that you know the people are afraid and [TS]

  the government is afraid and there's [TS]

  paranoia only a few years later that [TS]

  that feeling was back and i think it had [TS]

  a little maybe more applicability than [TS]

  it did when it was released I know this [TS]

  is a little more symmetrical because the [TS]

  whole business was the iron giant being [TS]

  a weapon doesn't become weapon ice until [TS]

  he's attacked and that was much more of [TS]

  a cold war analogy and then the [TS]

  terrorism and yeah but it has the [TS]

  similar type of thing with people people [TS]

  living in fear right the military people [TS]

  you know being so afraid they're going [TS]

  to nuke town on their own soil that but [TS]

  there and indicates movie that actually [TS]

  its plot point is we're gonna drop a [TS]

  bomb on that's the thing like the big [TS]

  the big climactic emotional moment [TS]

  towards the end which lexus you seen [TS]

  this movie i'm going to spoil another [TS]

  one [TS]

  it's okay i have not but I see it's the [TS]

  only of the three that we've discussed [TS]

  on is you know she's how well your honor [TS]

  that you are the poster boy for I [TS]

  haven't seen movies so I expected [TS]

  through you but but not increase in any [TS]

  way that the big emotional moment in [TS]

  this movie for people of our age I don't [TS]

  know if it's the same moment for kids [TS]

  because i watch them during that scene I [TS]

  think Jason knows what she's talking [TS]

  about and it wasn't as affecting to them [TS]

  that's why I feel so much that like this [TS]

  movie works on so many deeper levels for [TS]

  adults that it's like an iceberg like [TS]

  the tip of the iceberg with sticking out [TS]

  of the water is beautiful and [TS]

  interesting and kids love it but this [TS]

  whole other mass underneath the surface [TS]

  that's there for adults if they're you [TS]

  know if they're willing to give this [TS]

  movie a shot and and yes you have to [TS]

  kind of like look past the parts that [TS]

  are there just for kids I don't think [TS]

  it's as successful as a Pixar movie and [TS]

  making sure that every single scene [TS]

  every single line works for every single [TS]

  member of the audience I yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  but it's but it's good it's it's it's [TS]

  very good and if there are not a lot of [TS]

  movies that will make me tier up every [TS]

  single time i watch it and but the iron [TS]

  giant does at the end [TS]

  yeah i know it gets me it gets awfully [TS]

  dusty in that room every time they [TS]

  should put that little section and [TS]

  especially since for the rest of the [TS]

  movie you kinda like yeah I'm with this [TS]

  movie you know it's not like you know [TS]

  something like up which starts with a [TS]

  punch in the gut you kind of know what [TS]

  you're in for even something like Wally [TS]

  that starts with like this beautiful you [TS]

  know like this movie kind of suckers you [TS]

  win and then again this is like got you [TS]

  and that you know a little bit more like [TS]

  all you got me again you know it sneaks [TS]

  up on you [TS]

  yeah yeah really don't because it starts [TS]

  out and you're thinking oh this is just [TS]

  another kid's movie it's you know [TS]

  there's a mom and a kid and their-their [TS]

  hand-drawn animated and it's like every [TS]

  other animated movie that was made in [TS]

  the eighties and nineties before the cgi [TS]

  kind of movies took over and but it's [TS]

  not right and then and if you're patient [TS]

  it read the movie really unfolds [TS]

  so yeah and and I think that it's only [TS]

  unfolding for people who are her older [TS]

  or more emotionally mature too because I [TS]

  because otherwise like what are you what [TS]

  are you getting worked up about like [TS]

  plot-wise what's happening [TS]

  fine but there's one against though it's [TS]

  the boy's adventure of he's out yeah [TS]

  it's going to mysterious thing and it's [TS]

  their monster and the kids are worried [TS]

  about the boy [TS]

  eventually the kids are worried about [TS]

  the iron giant things very quickly you [TS]

  get on the side of the giant you know [TS]

  like that it for the kids it's an [TS]

  adventure story and they are concerned [TS]

  for the people that care about being in [TS]

  parallel you know right that would you [TS]

  say let you know what what age is the [TS]

  minimum age for appropriate because some [TS]

  of these topics like you know [TS]

  threatening the nooks and everything [TS]

  else had a little bit scarier than like [TS]

  a five-year-old friendly movie my pic I [TS]

  it all depends on your on your kids my [TS]

  kids are more comfortable with this at [TS]

  four or five-year let myself think my [TS]

  kids are pretty pretty sensitive and [TS]

  they were comfortable with this movie [TS]

  452 that's great [TS]

  there's a lot of Menace intention will [TS]

  watch it this week i think that the [TS]

  nuclear stuff and that all that I mean [TS]

  it's there [TS]

  they're bad guys with guns and there's [TS]

  some threatening but it's all abstract [TS]

  and yeah it's surprisingly not not [TS]

  worrisome in in a way that some other [TS]

  movies might be so I think younger kids [TS]

  will like it because it because they [TS]

  don't identify with a boy and they left [TS]

  the robot very cool alright who doesn't [TS]

  love a robot [TS]

  yeah he's a friendly ribbon is Vin [TS]

  Diesel it's the best it's like that big [TS]

  diesels Carly forward to play [TS]

  Oh Garth it's um like I said it's the [TS]

  only movie of these three that's [TS]

  available to stream on netflix alright [TS]

  so should we go around really quickly [TS]

  and have another another set or or just [TS]

  talk about movies that we we should have [TS]

  talked about but didn't like what do you [TS]

  have what what what other movie do you [TS]

  have for us [TS]

  mice um I'm not ashamed of this [TS]

  collection either although i think it's [TS]

  another unexpected one and I hear some [TS]

  shame creeping into your voice already [TS]

  there it is the 1995 Rosie O'Donnell to [TS]

  me more [TS]

  melanie griffith christina ricci hit now [TS]

  when that basically the female stand by [TS]

  me and the reason I pic now and then [TS]

  over stand by me is what I actually [TS]

  think the story and now and then is [TS]

  better [TS]

  all that was a pretty good pic stand by [TS]

  me ok and to apply I thought I i think [TS]

  it's i think that stand by me excuse [TS]

  scary and I I'm very sensitive to scary [TS]

  because i have a kid who's very [TS]

  sensitive scary things I think that now [TS]

  and that is overall much less scary when [TS]

  there's topics that are way over her [TS]

  head but it's I don't know now that is a [TS]

  very sweet movie i think they did a very [TS]

  nice job casting the adults with kids [TS]

  you know they were really nice job [TS]

  casting the kids to resemble and reflect [TS]

  the personalities of the adults [TS]

  oh I i know this movie I did not [TS]

  recognize it from the title go on it [TS]

  yeah but you know it's it's for [TS]

  childhood friends you see them as [TS]

  they're adults first and then you go [TS]

  back and see them when they're young and [TS]

  it's just their lives in the summer of [TS]

  nineteen seventy and it's I don't know [TS]

  it's it's it's very well done and [TS]

  basically if you've seen a few scenes to [TS]

  him by me it'sit's kind of that movie [TS]

  only girls and but another dead body [TS]

  there's well there's there's no dead [TS]

  body [TS]

  no suppose you're spoiling our stories [TS]

  for our for Jason I haven't seen this [TS]

  movie you notice how we don't care about [TS]

  spoiling for the audience but somehow [TS]

  spoiling it for people on the podcast [TS]

  online there there's the audience knew [TS]

  what they were getting into right [TS]

  there's an intense séance seem that's [TS]

  the sarkodie this movie is the séance [TS]

  science but it's I don't know it's very [TS]

  sweet [TS]

  it's you know [TS]

  i would say this is it you know it's not [TS]

  exactly a tearjerker movie but the the [TS]

  friendship feels very real you feel like [TS]

  the girls must have been friends onset [TS]

  if you're watching as an adult and I [TS]

  don't know and it's there's a lot you [TS]

  know the when John was before was [TS]

  talking about how sometimes movies that [TS]

  you appreciate it as a kid don't hold up [TS]

  and i don't know i was i was 15 when it [TS]

  came out so I wasn't so so young but [TS]

  sometimes I noticed in movies that i [TS]

  really liked that the when there's child [TS]

  actors that the acting doesn't hold up [TS]

  that you don't realize how bad you know [TS]

  mary-kate and Ashley Olsen were at the [TS]

  time but not there in this movie but the [TS]

  the kid acting really holds up and I [TS]

  mean really Wilson's it and she's always [TS]

  really good i don't know i really like [TS]

  it i think it's very sweet and it has [TS]

  nice the girls learn nice lessons that I [TS]

  like my girls to learn and I think it's [TS]

  very very sweetly doesn't show my [TS]

  ten-year-old daughter watches people [TS]

  actually just kind of young adult almost [TS]

  always stand by me is definitely young [TS]

  adult and this is true that's just this [TS]

  is closed too young to die just that [TS]

  still counts as a kid but I i endorse [TS]

  this movie too although i had not [TS]

  remembered that existed until I pulled [TS]

  up on stage and I realized yes I've seen [TS]

  this many many times and I endorse this [TS]

  selection even more than Shrek probably [TS]

  why don't you it's it's very sweet [TS]

  it's a very sweet movie and it's got [TS]

  Hank Azaria to I just remembered him all [TS]

  right now and then [TS]

  yes all right John when I will continue [TS]

  this theme with with a movie that i have [TS]

  tried to show my daughter but my [TS]

  daughter is four and she's not ready for [TS]

  this movie and there is nothing scary in [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  well maybe her four-year-old this little [TS]

  scene suspension but it's one of my [TS]

  favorite movies as an adult one of my [TS]

  wife favorite movies and yes i'm [TS]

  cheating piece is not actually a movie [TS]

  it's I don't know what you want to call [TS]

  it a miniseries its its many hours but [TS]

  it's not a television series and its I [TS]

  don't know maybe his television series [TS]

  people could tell me it's anna Green [TS]

  Gables has anyone seen that the it's a [TS]

  miniseries I'll get 40 it's it's because [TS]

  it's not a TV series really it's a [TS]

  miniseries that they play abs like a [TS]

  really long movie right I think that's [TS]

  fair that's based on the Lucy Maud [TS]

  Montgomery books that I've never read [TS]

  that my wife has read but if there's one [TS]

  set of you know movies or TV show [TS]

  whatever that I want that I think I [TS]

  a young girl would like obviously older [TS]

  than five [TS]

  it's these because they're just it's [TS]

  just a gentle sweet story about coming [TS]

  of age for girl I it's supposed to I [TS]

  don't know what year it takes places so [TS]

  the nineteen hundreds 1905 or whatever [TS]

  so things were different back then but [TS]

  it manages not to be a sort of images [TS]

  not to dwell on the difference between [TS]

  gender roles now and then and has a [TS]

  strong female character as the lead and [TS]

  she comes of age and is you know [TS]

  self-possessed intelligent confident her [TS]

  of all there are obviously as a romance [TS]

  angle her you know she goes on later and [TS]

  of Avonlea of things to be successful in [TS]

  her professional life doesn't spend your [TS]

  time worrying about romance and boys and [TS]

  stuff like that and and but and green [TS]

  gables forget the and family which is [TS]

  kind of more of young adult and green [TS]

  gables has that she's an orphan she gets [TS]

  adopted by these these are friendly [TS]

  older people and there's some you know [TS]

  things that happened there that are [TS]

  somewhat dramatic but just it's [TS]

  basically a series of vignettes it's a [TS]

  lot like a little house on the prairie [TS]

  which I have a feeling that everyone [TS]

  back and watched I would find doesn't [TS]

  hold up as well as I thought I did my [TS]

  sister loves left my free to yeah [TS]

  but-but-but I am gables and evidently i [TS]

  have seen in my adult life and I really [TS]

  believe they do hold up and I just think [TS]

  they're beautiful sweet little stories [TS]

  and i can't wait until my daughter is [TS]

  old enough to watch them and appreciate [TS]

  them the way I do [TS]

  wikipedia agrees with you referring to [TS]

  it as a TV movie but it's got a running [TS]

  time of a hundred ninety nine minutes so [TS]

  it was generally aired into but it sure [TS]

  I think you can call that I very long [TS]

  movie and it was released theatrically [TS]

  all 3 at wrigley in Europe Israel and [TS]

  Japan so there it's a film John did you [TS]

  watch the the 2008 release that [TS]

  wikipedia talks about the fourth in the [TS]

  series and of Green Gables a new [TS]

  beginning I was aware that existed I [TS]

  believe I may have tried to watch a few [TS]

  minutes of it and then ran away and [TS]

  discuss similar to a neverending story [TS]

  part but it has this great line [TS]

  wikipedia the film is both the sequel [TS]

  and a prequel to soul of astrology I [TS]

  mean that to me is because it's it's the [TS]

  neverending story [TS]

  it's just yeah no that's good that's [TS]

  great when I that came out a little [TS]

  seeing this one have not seen it this [TS]

  one I don't have the heart heartily [TS]

  recommend her daughter holding in 10 [TS]

  maybe she's too mature for now we'll [TS]

  find it went being babyish but I give it [TS]

  a try if it sticks that she like Little [TS]

  House on the Prairie have an exposure to [TS]

  that she's real I think she read a [TS]

  couple of books so yeah I will give it a [TS]

  shot i'll report back and try watching [TS]

  yourself it's gonna seem like it's I [TS]

  don't know it you have you have to have [TS]

  a certain temperament I hate to sound [TS]

  sexist but it's this people say this [TS]

  movies and it girls but I really like [TS]

  this movie i'm definitely not a girl and [TS]

  I i think it's great for boys as well [TS]

  but you do have to we're talking about [TS]

  Kiki but I think there's a certain [TS]

  mindset you have to begin to appreciate [TS]

  this movie as an adult and it's a good [TS]

  mindset to get into it's not a check [TS]

  your brain to the door mindset so we're [TS]

  gonna try your side with my wife [TS]

  I'm looking forward to it my second [TS]

  selection i'm going to i'm going to be a [TS]

  proxy for Monty Ashley who could not be [TS]

  here tonight he basically forgot [TS]

  shame shame auntie but I was with his in [TS]

  your selection Monty wanted to to talk [TS]

  about this movie and it was on my list [TS]

  as well which is the muppet movie the [TS]

  original original Muppet movie which is [TS]

  it's a movie with puppets and they're [TS]

  funny and they they do songs and some of [TS]

  the songs are sweet and some of the [TS]

  songs are wacky and there are celebrity [TS]

  cameos and you know already from the 70 [TS]

  yeah they're corneal from the seventies [TS]

  and before ya up there are corny jokes [TS]

  and you know what I've watched this [TS]

  movie a couple of times with my kids and [TS]

  everybody seems to have a good time [TS]

  it's just it's a sweet movie it's got [TS]

  some some jokes that I probably like [TS]

  more than i should just because I have [TS]

  such fond memories of seeing this movie [TS]

  when I was a kid but um and and of [TS]

  course the moment that was a kid that [TS]

  blew my mind and I think I mentioned [TS]

  this in a previous podcast is that [TS]

  moment where you see Kermit the Frog [TS]

  riding his bicycle and you see his legs [TS]

  moving pushing the devil's little that's [TS]

  foreshadowing is [TS]

  far as a major it's a major plot point [TS]

  where frogs legs could be importantly so [TS]

  if you had said frog leg with Kermit [TS]

  safe because he doesn't have legs [TS]

  release we've never seen ya what Charles [TS]

  Durning looks happy 6a pop yeah yeah [TS]

  Charles turning a fine role as doc [TS]

  hopper there's a giant you know what a [TS]

  giant beaker runs rampant you know [TS]

  it'sit's and it and it's also got a [TS]

  story within a story right because it [TS]

  ends up that the movie is telling the [TS]

  story of the movie and it's very [TS]

  confusing [TS]

  yeah that was that was little [TS]

  mind-blowing is good i remember that was [TS]

  like it's not even like a [TS]

  straightforward framing story it's like [TS]

  meta storytelling like what's going on [TS]

  this movie is the movie i'm watching the [TS]

  movie you're watching the movie of the [TS]

  movie was just a movie of the movie the [TS]

  movie it's one of those pictures it's [TS]

  got a picture of itself and it just [TS]

  keeps going infinitely so anyway the [TS]

  muppet movie I what else can you say [TS]

  that I i love it [TS]

  The Muppets are are there they're hard [TS]

  to define their their their own thing [TS]

  it's the you know how many puppet movie [TS]

  french spices exist out there about the [TS]

  dollar store which also could have [TS]

  listed an elaborate those the two other [TS]

  ones that cover speaking of puppet [TS]

  movies and Jim Henson yeah and they're [TS]

  there are other good Muppet fine Muppet [TS]

  movies too but the muppet movie i think [TS]

  is and i haven't seen the new one so i [TS]

  can I was about to ask i haven't watched [TS]

  the old ones get real the real voices [TS]

  yeah you know that's true that this is [TS]

  the this is your your jim hansen and [TS]

  Frank Oz and right if I think that's [TS]

  that is the challenge with today is that [TS]

  they all sound like they have head colds [TS]

  at best [TS]

  yeah yeah well how do you rank the other [TS]

  movies can you speak to that really [TS]

  because my favorite is always been the [TS]

  muppets take manhattan but you're going [TS]

  back to the original I feel like the [TS]

  original one is to like certainly my [TS]

  kids would enjoy that i should show it [TS]

  to them because the Muppets are just [TS]

  inherently funny but I feel like they [TS]

  wouldn't have a clear understanding of [TS]

  what the heck is happening in the story [TS]

  especially because you know they're [TS]

  watching it at home and not in a movie [TS]

  theater but when ya don't think it [TS]

  matters because it's just kind of you [TS]

  know a frog and a bear and a Studebaker [TS]

  going across the country having [TS]

  adventures and there's big bird and then [TS]

  they are in a church for a while and [TS]

  minutes like a I mean it's like a road [TS]

  movie it's a caper [TS]

  it's a series of unconnected and random [TS]

  events and bear left right frog and [TS]

  speakers which is the best of elements [TS]

  have you know a road trip and big bird [TS]

  and unconnected randomness i will say i [TS]

  wouldn't put it on my list of the best [TS]

  but a very good Muppet friendly movie is [TS]

  is follow that bird when big bird gets [TS]

  lost man to find a big and it's it's [TS]

  really well done [TS]

  all right just throw that out there ok I [TS]

  to answer your question in my mind the [TS]

  movie is without peer [TS]

  and then there are many of perfectly [TS]

  fine [TS]

  Muppet productions after that I i I've [TS]

  rarely seen them up a movie that I [TS]

  didn't find you know least worth my time [TS]

  to watch it because there are things you [TS]

  can find in some of them i found to be [TS]

  pretty good but in my mind this is the [TS]

  one that's the definitive one now I [TS]

  tried to show this to my kids and I [TS]

  think the missing they they seem not to [TS]

  be engaged by it as much as I thought [TS]

  they would and I think the main problem [TS]

  is that i grew up watching them up and [TS]

  show every single night it was almost [TS]

  like my ritual right and you become [TS]

  something like see you I want right from [TS]

  Sesame Street smooth transition directly [TS]

  into the muppet show which is like on [TS]

  right before my bedtime right right so [TS]

  I'm so invested in the muppets the world [TS]

  of them up with these characters that [TS]

  seeing them in a movie it's like you [TS]

  know wow [TS]

  and now there's a whole movie of puppets [TS]

  and it was just but if you've never seen [TS]

  them up as before with my kids didn't [TS]

  because they hadn't spent a lot of time [TS]

  with sesame street and had never seen [TS]

  them up and show it all [TS]

  it was like what why should I care about [TS]

  these characters and I guess I didn't it [TS]

  didn't it didn't hook into them [TS]

  yeah there's a business context there [TS]

  when we saw Kermit singing in the swamp [TS]

  like you know in the rainbow connection [TS]

  and all that you know like that we we [TS]

  already were on board with come around [TS]

  the karma train already I but with my [TS]

  kids to like yes what am I you know why [TS]

  do I care about this frog [TS]

  yeah yeah i know i think if you were to [TS]

  plot making your children love the [TS]

  Muppets you would need to start with the [TS]

  muppet row which is a lot easier love [TS]

  like you sketch comedy yeah stick you [TS]

  know right up their alley right all the [TS]

  celebrity appearances are again not [TS]

  perhaps have have the you know I think [TS]

  when you're a kid I I don't think you [TS]

  care right it's like well [TS]

  our car goes on there so they can have [TS]

  this episode's right and saying look [TS]

  look how young is surprised you didn't [TS]

  choose luke from The Muppet Show in your [TS]

  character draft I well not to disparage [TS]

  more camels acting ability but you're [TS]

  gonna pick one actor from the Star Wars [TS]

  saga with Harry go with Harrison Ford ok [TS]

  I'm ok with you he could have been awash [TS]

  I guess because remember it was casting [TS]

  right firefly right I got that would [TS]

  have been funny but before we go I want [TS]

  to go around and just see I know we've [TS]

  got some other movies that we didn't [TS]

  mention let's uh not to stave off some [TS]

  of the angry emails say why didn't you [TS]

  mention this and mention a few more if [TS]

  you've got any any others on your list [TS]

  that you didn't get a chance to talk [TS]

  about now is your chance to just throw [TS]

  him out there Lex what you have [TS]

  well I i mentioned it be some of the [TS]

  beginning but the two that you've done [TS]

  shows about that I really I i haven't [TS]

  shown either to my kids yet but I'm [TS]

  eager to our back to the future trilogy [TS]

  and the princess bride because i like [TS]

  those movies can't I like the movies now [TS]

  and I think they're gonna really like [TS]

  them to my kids like the princess bride [TS]

  and we have watched the first two back [TS]

  to the future movies and thats not [TS]

  pretty well those repeat those RPG and I [TS]

  i have to point out to my daughter you [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah they said a bad word there but you [TS]

  know but we're going threw him out there [TS]

  they are and they're enjoyable why my [TS]

  son wants a hoverboard now so mission [TS]

  accomplished you know they exist but the [TS]

  toy the toilet won't let him sell them [TS]

  yeah yeah that's what I hear John what [TS]

  about you [TS]

  I already threw out the only with you I [TS]

  had a labyrinth of the Dark Crystal both [TS]

  of which are also a little bit intense [TS]

  and scary and our kind of the meeting I [TS]

  don't think dark crystal holds up as [TS]

  well as I thought it would but again for [TS]

  because it's so dark and crystally I [TS]

  guess I i like i like expose my kids [TS]

  stuff like that when I think they're [TS]

  ready and labyrinth I I like as a good [TS]

  strong female protagonist to isn't so [TS]

  strong in the beginning and find [TS]

  strength right it's not as it's not the [TS]

  feminist fairy tale that it really could [TS]

  be but it's it's very amusing and also [TS]

  as a little bit sinister and it's got a [TS]

  kind of a scary David Bowie in their [TS]

  right mind third that I that I would [TS]

  like to mention even though it wasn't [TS]

  one of my first two selections is babe a [TS]

  movie about a pig that learns to be a [TS]

  sheepdog [TS]

  I you know I love this movie [TS]

  it's kid-friendly it's a little scary in [TS]

  the sense that it does mention that [TS]

  people eat animals but you know they do [TS]

  and and so it's it needs to be known [TS]

  james cromwell great performance it is [TS]

  the problem with babe is that babe led [TS]

  to a slew of computer graphic enhanced [TS]

  talking animal movies the most if not [TS]

  all of which are terrible but babe [TS]

  itself i have to say it is it is like an [TS]

  animated movie it except it is live [TS]

  action with some CG it is weird and [TS]

  silly and a fairy tale about a pig that [TS]

  learns to purge sheep by talking to them [TS]

  and recently with them and asking them [TS]

  nicely if they wouldn't mind being [TS]

  herded and it's a it's adorable and I [TS]

  just showed this to my son about a month [TS]

  ago and he got a-you got a real kick out [TS]

  of it so I i love that movie too [TS]

  kids love animal movies yeah you know [TS]

  it's it's you know you mentioned animals [TS]

  i had considered putting chicken run on [TS]

  my list but i decided to doesn't hold up [TS]

  as well either wallace and gromit yeah [TS]

  that whole that whole you know [TS]

  arbonne animation world I've shown my [TS]

  kids and they really do love it but a [TS]

  lot of the I don't know if kids get [TS]

  whimsy [TS]

  I don't think they do so then that's [TS]

  right out the window at them and a lot [TS]

  of the charm the British charm they [TS]

  don't have a cultural context for and [TS]

  finally I think a lot of the lot of [TS]

  humor like a grommets expressions with [TS]

  his eyebrows are expressing feelings [TS]

  that they don't get relate to yes but [TS]

  but they put they enjoy it just on the [TS]

  level of like oh you know there's a [TS]

  little dog in this slapstick also showed [TS]

  my kids recently shown the sheep and the [TS]

  state looks really i was going to say [TS]

  have you sit should kiss on the sheet [TS]

  because my kids love love insanely love [TS]

  Shaun the Sheep which is also argument [TS]

  yeah and that's it's it's basically like [TS]

  a silent movie shown the shape is not [TS]

  there's no there's and the animals don't [TS]

  talk [TS]

  they just go about their business and do [TS]

  their little slapstick think so yeah [TS]

  they love those [TS]

  alright so i think we've reached the end [TS]

  of our time but i think given the fact [TS]

  that we had many people say they would [TS]

  do this and disappear at the last minute [TS]

  it was just the three of us I think we [TS]

  can put some great selections things [TS]

  that I haven't [TS]

  racine which actually excites me because [TS]

  I can go and watch those and show those [TS]

  to my kids [TS]

  now that is called them for you well I [TS]

  will not be surprised when the horse [TS]

  sinks into the don't i won't i won't be [TS]

  scared either [TS]

  now i might have to hold my wife's hand [TS]

  part just because already so why did you [TS]

  show this to our kids [TS]

  yeah what are you doing it's jhanjar get [TS]

  my bleep John show and she'll say you [TS]

  always blame him for everything you just [TS]

  not possible [TS]

  alright so this is great we should [TS]

  probably do this again sometime because [TS]

  there is an endless supply of and I [TS]

  think [TS]

  think [TS]

  for people who are either in that [TS]

  childlike frame of mind as you said John [TS]

  or have kids and are wondering what they [TS]

  should show them I think coming up with [TS]

  suggestions and talking about them a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  there's a lot of fun so we should do it [TS]

  again sometime anyway so until our next [TS]

  edition of the incomparable I want to [TS]

  thank everybody for listening i want to [TS]

  thank my guess [TS]

  Lex Friedman thank you for being here [TS]

  and coming with such interesting and [TS]

  delightful suggestions [TS]

  thank you always a pleasure i was [TS]

  interested and delighted you see and [TS]

  John siracusa thank you very much for [TS]

  coming as well thanks jason and i hope [TS]

  you remain a child at heart [TS]

  always always and thanks to everybody [TS]

  for listening for the uncomfortable [TS]

  understand snow will see you next time [TS]

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