The Incomparable

70: At the Time, They Were Just Average Height


00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 70 [TS]

00:00:07   December 2011 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:14   I'm Glenn Fleischmann and I'm slipping [TS]

00:00:16   into the blue suede shoes of jason l [TS]

00:00:19   this week the host our first geeky nerdy [TS]

00:00:21   music episode back in September 2010 we [TS]

00:00:25   to talk about soundtracks was an episode [TS]

00:00:27   4 but this is the first time we're [TS]

00:00:29   talking about band songs your worms our [TS]

00:00:32   favorite music that kind of thing and [TS]

00:00:34   there's a lot to talk about so this will [TS]

00:00:36   likely be the first of several over the [TS]

00:00:38   next millennia podcast we do on the [TS]

00:00:41   subject of music we certainly can't fit [TS]

00:00:42   everything and there's there's an [TS]

00:00:43   explosion a nerd extravaganza of music [TS]

00:00:47   designed for those of you who are [TS]

00:00:49   listening to this podcast so joining me [TS]

00:00:52   tonight is a regular host subjected to [TS]

00:00:54   my mockery this time Jason smell I miss [TS]

00:00:58   I miss the regular host what happened [TS]

00:00:59   him what's wrong is in rehab again [TS]

00:01:01   no he's not locked into a closet thank [TS]

00:01:04   you for joining us thank you for hosting [TS]

00:01:06   I thank you [TS]

00:01:07   also joining us is Lex Friedman who is a [TS]

00:01:10   friend of the podcast last on an episode [TS]

00:01:12   41 so long ago i'm back to the future [TS]

00:01:15   and he was also a silent guest for the [TS]

00:01:17   episode 22 Stephen Fry does not appear [TS]

00:01:19   which we here at the podcast call the [TS]

00:01:22   podcast that must never be repeated [TS]

00:01:24   well I hope to continue that trend of [TS]

00:01:27   making unrepeatable podcaster also [TS]

00:01:29   called Glenn's folly that's informal [TS]

00:01:32   there are many podcasts they're called [TS]

00:01:34   Glenn's always that's pretty much most [TS]

00:01:36   of the time that's edited out of [TS]

00:01:38   podcasts that called that I believe [TS]

00:01:40   that's Jason's folly because he's doing [TS]

00:01:42   the editing and finally we've got Scott [TS]

00:01:44   McNulty host guard Scott Oakland you [TS]

00:01:48   challenge my supremacy is host for this [TS]

00:01:50   episode so we'll be fighting it out now [TS]

00:01:52   you'll pay for your help out thanks [TS]

00:01:54   Scott look Scott I I like Jason's less [TS]

00:01:58   hostile introduction [TS]

00:02:01   oh you will you would well so when we [TS]

00:02:07   talk about tonight gentlemen we are [TS]

00:02:08   talking about geeky music and I remember [TS]

00:02:11   listening late at night when I was a lad [TS]

00:02:13   to dr. Demento and geeky music back you [TS]

00:02:16   know 300 years ago [TS]

00:02:18   oh yeah 30 years ago was was it was dr. [TS]

00:02:21   Demento stuff it was novelty record and [TS]

00:02:23   it was Billy mummies [TS]

00:02:25   efficient as on and you know things like [TS]

00:02:28   that the coming to take me away and it [TS]

00:02:31   was novelty stuff it wasn't the things [TS]

00:02:33   that were for geeks were things that had [TS]

00:02:35   inside jokes about Star Trek or Doctor [TS]

00:02:37   Who strange they still do but nobody [TS]

00:02:40   wasn't mainstream culture than it was [TS]

00:02:42   all meant for people who were sort of [TS]

00:02:44   stuck away [TS]

00:02:45   listen to dr. Demento late at night [TS]

00:02:47   recording them on their eight you know [TS]

00:02:48   the reel-to-reel organize it did you [TS]

00:02:51   ever appear on dr. Demento did you ever [TS]

00:02:52   call in and let me have your [TS]

00:02:54   requirements laid on the air you know [TS]

00:02:56   that's an amazing thing I didn't know I [TS]

00:02:57   I in fact did [TS]

00:02:59   oh yes that's cool that's super cool [TS]

00:03:02   yeah wait [TS]

00:03:03   super cool i would like to go on record [TS]

00:03:04   as saying I have a song played on the [TS]

00:03:06   doctor with radio show we're song you [TS]

00:03:09   created a song I created was played on [TS]

00:03:12   the dr. Demento show [TS]

00:03:13   oh my god this is a great secret you [TS]

00:03:16   know I had a king and Lex has an ace [TS]

00:03:18   I'm sorry about that my son was hooked [TS]

00:03:21   on phonics it was a parody of ironic by [TS]

00:03:24   alanis morissette with the music done by [TS]

00:03:27   a person i had met through the internet [TS]

00:03:28   while I was in junior high school and I [TS]

00:03:30   have no idea who that person was or who [TS]

00:03:32   generated that music for me at the time [TS]

00:03:33   was hilarious [TS]

00:03:35   that's awesome well we are obviously [TS]

00:03:36   fully qualified then I get introduced to [TS]

00:03:40   dr. menter by am I incredibly geeky [TS]

00:03:42   theater friend so I was like double or [TS]

00:03:44   triple geeky they're an older woman was [TS]

00:03:47   involved in theatre and she introduced [TS]

00:03:48   me to dr. Demento the show not the [TS]

00:03:50   person and you know I listen for years [TS]

00:03:52   and at some point I was like you know [TS]

00:03:54   sort of it never gets any different it's [TS]

00:03:56   sort of always the same kind of jokey [TS]

00:03:58   slightly childhood stuff and I loved a [TS]

00:04:00   lot of was on there and some of it i [TS]

00:04:01   still listen to but i think that was [TS]

00:04:03   sort of a a place where that all [TS]

00:04:06   collected as we're weird al yankovic [TS]

00:04:07   made his first appearance from Bray she [TS]

00:04:09   played a doctor better play we're now [TS]

00:04:12   first before to it though I've been out [TS]

00:04:14   there the story ends with you having [TS]

00:04:15   dinner with dr. Demento I swear to god [TS]

00:04:17   I've never never have no connection you [TS]

00:04:21   with anything that ok but so dr. Demento [TS]

00:04:24   so I bring him up because I think he's [TS]

00:04:26   kind of the point that people think [TS]

00:04:27   about when they think about Kiki music [TS]

00:04:28   to think about the novelty stuff but you [TS]

00:04:30   know now it's something happened maybe [TS]

00:04:33   in the nineteen eighties where Fred [TS]

00:04:35   Schneider I mean maybe I'm being [TS]

00:04:37   ridiculous here but i think that [TS]

00:04:38   b-52 they're not geeky percent bring [TS]

00:04:41   them up in this podcast as an example i [TS]

00:04:42   keep your nerdy music [TS]

00:04:45   not exactly but it was weird it was [TS]

00:04:47   strange and hit the mainstream and [TS]

00:04:48   around the same time I think that's when [TS]

00:04:50   they might be giants started up in about [TS]

00:04:52   nineteen eighty-two and we're gonna [TS]

00:04:54   spend the first half of the podcast for [TS]

00:04:56   the first portion talking about they may [TS]

00:04:57   be Giants because they are sort of the [TS]

00:04:59   the or nerd band they talked about nerdy [TS]

00:05:02   weird things history and science and [TS]

00:05:05   surrealism and they were incredibly [TS]

00:05:07   clever in there lyrics they're sort of [TS]

00:05:09   you know like as clever elvis costello [TS]

00:05:11   if Elvis Costello did novelty style [TS]

00:05:13   songs and they for awhile became almost [TS]

00:05:17   popular it was an accident [TS]

00:05:19   as I recall the time remember um was all [TS]

00:05:21   a misunderstanding what it seemed like [TS]

00:05:23   because they weren't trying to write pop [TS]

00:05:24   music but they're really terrific [TS]

00:05:25   songwriters and they wrote some music [TS]

00:05:27   that apparently was just mainstream [TS]

00:05:29   enough like it was the big was don't let [TS]

00:05:31   start was not one of the big ones i [TS]

00:05:34   think it was wasn't it slide with the [TS]

00:05:35   birdhouse in your soul and eventually [TS]

00:05:37   signed this excitement level [TS]

00:05:39   yes I don't have particle man and [TS]

00:05:41   parking and I signed to Elektra Records [TS]

00:05:43   MTV started playing something [TS]

00:05:45   Constantinople was on a TV show one of [TS]

00:05:48   the kids shows and piney too tiny to [TS]

00:05:49   school which was listened to by stoner [TS]

00:05:52   watch mostly by stoners i think is [TS]

00:05:53   orchid children children is there a [TS]

00:05:57   difference through a child I was a [TS]

00:05:59   stoner child I was told you were born [TS]

00:06:01   fully grown so I my mother doesn't [TS]

00:06:03   return my calls so they might be giants [TS]

00:06:06   didn't maintain know this popularity for [TS]

00:06:09   that long we start there's a great line [TS]

00:06:11   i found the New Yorker profile them from [TS]

00:06:12   2002 and it said they return to a more [TS]

00:06:15   consistent if moderate popularity and I [TS]

00:06:18   think that's sort of the case like [TS]

00:06:19   everyone at a certain level knows who [TS]

00:06:22   they might be giants are and they [TS]

00:06:23   started in children's music more than a [TS]

00:06:24   decade ago but they're almost 30 year [TS]

00:06:27   old band and I wonder maybe each of you [TS]

00:06:30   have a have the how did you come to they [TS]

00:06:31   might be giants story or some kind of [TS]

00:06:33   experience where is that assuming maybe [TS]

00:06:35   I'm wrong this is kind of first band [TS]

00:06:37   like that that came across your path who [TS]

00:06:40   would like to start [TS]

00:06:41   well I'll start is a as a doctor Demento [TS]

00:06:44   list of course yes I was inculcated in [TS]

00:06:46   all of that but that was something in at [TS]

00:06:48   least in my life in it [TS]

00:06:49   I get the impression in a lot of [TS]

00:06:51   people's lives that's something you [TS]

00:06:52   12 between the ages of you know 10 and [TS]

00:06:56   14 15 and then you move and then you [TS]

00:06:58   move on or in lexus case he continued [TS]

00:07:01   problem with this day but most of us [TS]

00:07:03   move on anyway um they might be giants i [TS]

00:07:06   had a friend who I worked with in the [TS]

00:07:09   mid-nineties Jim bribery who was the [TS]

00:07:13   editor of mac user magazine at the time [TS]

00:07:16   and he basically loaned me his copy of [TS]

00:07:20   John Henry which is actually a great [TS]

00:07:25   album and I i don't know whether this is [TS]

00:07:27   thought but by more people who listen to [TS]

00:07:30   they might be giants but it strikes me [TS]

00:07:31   as like the overlooked and forgotten [TS]

00:07:34   album in that it doesn't have what feels [TS]

00:07:37   like a super big hit single on it but I [TS]

00:07:40   love love love that entire album and I [TS]

00:07:44   listened to that thing I I you know I [TS]

00:07:46   gave Jim his CD back and bought my own [TS]

00:07:48   CD of that and listen to it endlessly [TS]

00:07:52   the one with the kids in the skull and [TS]

00:07:54   on the album art and it says we hate [TS]

00:07:57   they might be giants on the banner that [TS]

00:07:59   said being held by children and it's got [TS]

00:08:01   some you know some crazy songs like AK [TS]

00:08:04   driver and and dirt bike and the end of [TS]

00:08:07   the tour and snail shell and subliminal [TS]

00:08:10   which they played in the show that i [TS]

00:08:12   just saw with them and I thought that [TS]

00:08:14   was really cool because for some reason [TS]

00:08:16   I feel like John Henry is this album [TS]

00:08:18   that nobody basically because one at the [TS]

00:08:20   time it didn't seem like anybody had [TS]

00:08:22   ever heard of them and I felt like I [TS]

00:08:23   discovered this band that had this crazy [TS]

00:08:26   album and then it opened up and I bottle [TS]

00:08:28   all their other albums and have [TS]

00:08:29   continued to do so but it was just a [TS]

00:08:32   friend who thought that I would like it [TS]

00:08:34   and boy you know full credit to gym who [TS]

00:08:37   has excellent taste in music and he and [TS]

00:08:39   I share a lot of likes of power pop [TS]

00:08:41   bands and things like that that he [TS]

00:08:43   zeroed in on they might be giants and [TS]

00:08:44   let me borrow John Henry and the rest is [TS]

00:08:47   history [TS]

00:08:48   but John Henry is also my favorite [TS]

00:08:50   they've enjoyed somebody really when it [TS]

00:08:52   came out it was a controversy amongst [TS]

00:08:54   hardcore they might be giants nerdy [TS]

00:08:56   because it was a full band right because [TS]

00:08:58   it's full band so everyone was like this [TS]

00:09:00   is out [TS]

00:09:00   Aegis what are you doing to us where's [TS]

00:09:02   the accordion but exactly i will never [TS]

00:09:05   listen to this [TS]

00:09:06   well you can say where's the accordion [TS]

00:09:08   on on John Henry the very first track [TS]

00:09:10   yeah i knows with the accordance with [TS]

00:09:11   the hardrock accordion I know but still [TS]

00:09:13   there's the synthesizer I had no right I [TS]

00:09:17   had no idea where the drum machine [TS]

00:09:19   that's true that was the first that i [TS]

00:09:21   had an experience that they might be [TS]

00:09:23   giants up for me it was perfectly [TS]

00:09:24   natural and I thought that was an [TS]

00:09:25   awesome so I'm glad you like a to scott [TS]

00:09:27   i do so Scott what's your what's your [TS]

00:09:29   what's your story [TS]

00:09:30   what's your story man I so when I was a [TS]

00:09:33   kid I was not really interested in music [TS]

00:09:36   for whatever reason so the music I grew [TS]

00:09:39   up listening to was the music that my [TS]

00:09:41   mother listen to which happened to be [TS]

00:09:43   for those who lived in the New York area [TS]

00:09:45   at the same time it was a CBS FM they [TS]

00:09:48   play your favorite oldies CBS FM so I [TS]

00:09:52   the music of my childhood is like from [TS]

00:09:55   fifties and sixties which I thought [TS]

00:09:58   apparently they lived in like a time [TS]

00:09:59   bubble was current music and then I went [TS]

00:10:02   to my friends house and he put on flood [TS]

00:10:06   in a cassette and it blew my mind I was [TS]

00:10:10   like what this is not due up [TS]

00:10:12   what is going on these men they're [TS]

00:10:15   singing with their voices in a different [TS]

00:10:16   fashion it's true so then that was birds [TS]

00:10:19   and things the first I heard of them and [TS]

00:10:21   then I they have because they were my [TS]

00:10:23   favorite band ever since and that's my [TS]

00:10:26   story [TS]

00:10:27   I think it's sorry i just listened to [TS]

00:10:28   SBC FM which played your least favorite [TS]

00:10:31   oldies I don't know they're on the [TS]

00:10:33   airport they tied her up [TS]

00:10:35   it's funny you say that i grew up with [TS]

00:10:36   my parents weren't that into music my [TS]

00:10:38   dad actually is from the pretty rock n [TS]

00:10:40   roll era so he has no no connection to [TS]

00:10:44   actual modern music and my mom was a [TS]

00:10:47   high school student 50 so she kind of [TS]

00:10:49   got it and but the station listened to [TS]

00:10:51   was like this weird am stationed in San [TS]

00:10:53   Francisco that played like the giants [TS]

00:10:55   baseball games were on there and they [TS]

00:10:57   were like guys doing funny voices and [TS]

00:10:59   comedy sketches and then adult [TS]

00:11:01   contemporary songs [TS]

00:11:02   I haven't I have energy like no can be [TS]

00:11:06   our before it became an all sports [TS]

00:11:08   station and I have an encyclopedic [TS]

00:11:10   knowledge of some of the worst music of [TS]

00:11:13   the nineteen seventies and early [TS]

00:11:15   eighties because you know it's Starland [TS]

00:11:18   Vocal Band afternoon do not delight whoo [TS]

00:11:21   boy I know that one backward forward [TS]

00:11:23   that it took me until it was it was [TS]

00:11:25   until i was in high school before I [TS]

00:11:27   realized all these songs that I thought [TS]

00:11:28   were great were actually buy one band [TS]

00:11:31   called The Beatles I knew what I knew [TS]

00:11:33   the songs but had no knowledge of this [TS]

00:11:35   only so I I hear what you're saying [TS]

00:11:37   Scott that's in strange they might be [TS]

00:11:39   giants a little bit of the graduation [TS]

00:11:40   bandits one of the first bands where you [TS]

00:11:41   claim it if you're the right age which [TS]

00:11:43   apparently is from roughly 30 years to [TS]

00:11:46   roughly in your forties is it's the band [TS]

00:11:48   you go like oh that's the band that is [TS]

00:11:50   of my time even if it's weird you know I [TS]

00:11:53   was in college in 1991 flood came out [TS]

00:11:55   and i totally missed it and i have no [TS]

00:11:56   idea how that happened [TS]

00:11:58   that was when they were popular you [TS]

00:11:59   probably just regarded them as no no it [TS]

00:12:01   was a land college campus it was the [TS]

00:12:03   perfect place i have no idea my I feel [TS]

00:12:05   like my college underground music store [TS]

00:12:09   let me down by not saying son by this [TS]

00:12:13   flood thing by this now my wife's elvis [TS]

00:12:16   costello in college there's a slight [TS]

00:12:17   digression but it was all that same time [TS]

00:12:19   he was touring in the first half he do [TS]

00:12:21   this thing we started a lot of your [TS]

00:12:23   favorites and whatever and kind of [TS]

00:12:25   wasn't great was a fine show and then [TS]

00:12:26   everybody left the people who stayed he [TS]

00:12:29   sort of got rid of all the fat boys he [TS]

00:12:30   brought the great we love songs and [TS]

00:12:32   spinach and play whatever came up you [TS]

00:12:34   know people come up and spin his entire [TS]

00:12:36   saga discography was that kind of time [TS]

00:12:39   it's like people actually enjoy great [TS]

00:12:40   colleges and playing two notes I mean [TS]

00:12:42   now it's all there wasn't commercial [TS]

00:12:44   them but they weren't making much money [TS]

00:12:45   then it's all different time but it was [TS]

00:12:47   also time when you could have like they [TS]

00:12:48   might be giants all these groups that [TS]

00:12:50   even if they are relatively popular to [TS]

00:12:51   go to college campuses they get you know [TS]

00:12:53   hundreds and hundreds of people out [TS]

00:12:55   there Philip the football stadiums or [TS]

00:12:58   the auditorium or whatever it was some [TS]

00:13:00   was fun time [TS]

00:13:02   go on I know what you're thinking I know [TS]

00:13:03   what you're thinking you're thinking [TS]

00:13:04   wait a minute i still don't know how Lex [TS]

00:13:07   got introduced today when yeah I wasn't [TS]

00:13:08   exactly thinking that but now you [TS]

00:13:10   mentioned iamcurious you tell us- by [TS]

00:13:13   virtue and benefit of my [TS]

00:13:15   age i was introduced to the moment a [TS]

00:13:18   much younger age then for example Jason [TS]

00:13:21   my first cassette of they might be [TS]

00:13:23   giants was actually any legally dubbed [TS]

00:13:25   copy this was curly file-sharing folks a [TS]

00:13:28   lot of copy that my sister I have two [TS]

00:13:31   sisters my older sister am who was five [TS]

00:13:34   years older than I am had gotten this [TS]

00:13:36   tape from a friend in school so I got a [TS]

00:13:38   dub of Abby's dub and one side of the [TS]

00:13:41   tape was flood and the other side of the [TS]

00:13:43   tape was the self-titled debut they [TS]

00:13:46   might be giants album and I just I wore [TS]

00:13:49   it out i listened to that tape over and [TS]

00:13:51   over again so much so that I literally [TS]

00:13:52   wore out the tape and so using those [TS]

00:13:55   media that existed that you can wear out [TS]

00:13:57   over time by using this it is true and [TS]

00:14:00   so I the the what's true for me in my [TS]

00:14:02   fandom of any kind of entertainment [TS]

00:14:05   source whether it's TV shows or books or [TS]

00:14:07   music is that whatever music or TV or [TS]

00:14:10   whatever I like I have to like [TS]

00:14:12   obsessively and III become a complete so [TS]

00:14:15   the first musician that I really loved [TS]

00:14:17   as Jason already alluded to was weird al [TS]

00:14:19   yankovic and you know what I think [TS]

00:14:23   separates will get too weird elegant [TS]

00:14:25   little bit later perhaps but what I [TS]

00:14:26   think separates they might be giants and [TS]

00:14:29   even weird al is not just you know [TS]

00:14:32   especially they may be times it's not [TS]

00:14:33   just the the topics they sing about the [TS]

00:14:35   fact that you know it's the their name [TS]

00:14:37   implies especially are not going for [TS]

00:14:39   humor in most of their music but it's [TS]

00:14:41   the the fact that what separates them is [TS]

00:14:44   that they take the musicianship the [TS]

00:14:46   music part of it just as seriously as [TS]

00:14:48   they take the lyrics and I think to me [TS]

00:14:51   that's you know so there's you can [TS]

00:14:53   listen to their coming to take me away [TS]

00:14:54   you could take well there's some funny [TS]

00:14:55   lines in there you can listen to a lot [TS]

00:14:57   of the stuff dr. mental place and feel [TS]

00:14:59   that way but meant much of it is not [TS]

00:15:01   realistic able because the musicality [TS]

00:15:03   just isn't there and I think that's [TS]

00:15:04   where they might be giants really set [TS]

00:15:05   themselves apart and I think even when I [TS]

00:15:07   was you know I don't know 19 might be is [TS]

00:15:09   so I got the tape 1991 so I was 11 [TS]

00:15:12   even at 11 years old I was appreciative [TS]

00:15:14   of the fact that this was something you [TS]

00:15:15   could listen to over and over again and [TS]

00:15:17   it didn't wear out its welcome it just [TS]

00:15:18   wore out the tape itself i think you [TS]

00:15:20   bring up a great point is I think that [TS]

00:15:21   was the that was the difference between [TS]

00:15:23   they might be giants maybe other your [TS]

00:15:25   mission say that a lot of novelty [TS]

00:15:26   actually actually we're pretty fine [TS]

00:15:27   musicians but they really were trying [TS]

00:15:29   to be silly your infantile or should get [TS]

00:15:32   a rise of trying to see it was by roll [TS]

00:15:34   back in the you know 60 seventies [TS]

00:15:36   eighties when people were exchanging [TS]

00:15:37   tapes they could sell 45 and record [TS]

00:15:39   stores and the whole thing like they're [TS]

00:15:41   hoping to get like I'm gonna get a [TS]

00:15:42   grandma got run over by a reindeer thing [TS]

00:15:44   and sell a million copies over Christmas [TS]

00:15:46   and that's how I'm gonna make my money [TS]

00:15:48   and in that was a different thing than [TS]

00:15:50   these guys building richly later music [TS]

00:15:52   even with just the two of them and you [TS]

00:15:54   know some drum sander drum crab [TS]

00:15:58   synthesizer and other stuff they they [TS]

00:16:01   can sing in so many different styles [TS]

00:16:04   it's kind of like Weird Al and I don't [TS]

00:16:05   think I felt like I didn't realize this [TS]

00:16:07   with we don't feel much weight very late [TS]

00:16:09   in his career the two guys John [TS]

00:16:11   Flansburg and John well the John's who [TS]

00:16:13   front the band they could have been pop [TS]

00:16:17   stars i think if they wanted to in some [TS]

00:16:19   way like I think they wrote songs that [TS]

00:16:21   sound practically like the Beatles and [TS]

00:16:22   then that is fine and refined whatever [TS]

00:16:24   that quite as catchy but they could have [TS]

00:16:27   chosen a different route than this one [TS]

00:16:28   and this is the one that their music and [TS]

00:16:30   interest [TS]

00:16:31   welcome to is to be you know super geeky [TS]

00:16:33   and funny and also you have to like was [TS]

00:16:36   it john munoz that side project was the [TS]

00:16:38   50 states that ever listen to all the [TS]

00:16:39   songs state songs dance songs yeah his [TS]

00:16:43   side effort what I've been told so [TS]

00:16:44   perhaps you're interested where I [TS]

00:16:45   learned about they might be giants maybe [TS]

00:16:47   yes Glenn oh yeah tell us [TS]

00:16:50   I was different so i was i was a hundred [TS]

00:16:53   years old in 1986 and I'm sorry [TS]

00:16:55   acquisition college in nineteen eighties [TS]

00:16:57   and UK market their first album on a wax [TS]

00:16:59   cylinder it was it Mel Thomas Edison [TS]

00:17:02   delivered itself states he said that we [TS]

00:17:04   played on my victory in the omaha this [TS]

00:17:06   marvelous new recording by these [TS]

00:17:08   gentlemen they must be Giants they've [TS]

00:17:10   birthday must be giants at the time they [TS]

00:17:13   were just average height so a friend of [TS]

00:17:15   mine who is the most interesting person [TS]

00:17:18   I'd probably ever met in college later [TS]

00:17:20   became an editor of the at the Village [TS]

00:17:22   Voice and wrote a fascinating novel that [TS]

00:17:24   I think called personal days that [TS]

00:17:26   reflects everything I knew about him in [TS]

00:17:28   college [TS]

00:17:28   he's like hey I bet you like this group [TS]

00:17:30   they're called they may be Giants that i [TS]

00:17:32   was like i like the name just I like the [TS]

00:17:34   name to start with I'd seen the george [TS]

00:17:35   scott film which is [TS]

00:17:37   very peculiar and he takes me to some a [TS]

00:17:40   record store with with actual vinyl [TS]

00:17:42   recordings and we purchased such an item [TS]

00:17:44   and that was it i believe i did buy [TS]

00:17:46   their first album I think it was they [TS]

00:17:49   may already have had a Lincoln might [TS]

00:17:51   already been out but i believe i bought [TS]

00:17:52   the very first they might be giants and [TS]

00:17:54   self-titled album but then that was [TS]

00:17:57   great when flood came and remember [TS]

00:17:59   coming out and going oh this is so much [TS]

00:18:01   its better produced it's richer it's [TS]

00:18:02   like it's a bigger thing with the same [TS]

00:18:04   thing and then Apollo 18 which I felt [TS]

00:18:07   terribly became something quite [TS]

00:18:09   different less silly there's like there [TS]

00:18:12   was a narrative continuity in the song [TS]

00:18:13   they made sense for once but anyway so I [TS]

00:18:15   feel like I didn't discover them by [TS]

00:18:17   simply just turned out of the really [TS]

00:18:18   early on and I've got this you know [TS]

00:18:20   25-year history with them now but they [TS]

00:18:24   don't know me a bit i haven't Jason I've [TS]

00:18:25   never met them either [TS]

00:18:26   ok there are no connection to them [TS]

00:18:28   whatsoever it's funny that it came up [TS]

00:18:32   the idea that they went chose to go [TS]

00:18:33   another direction and not be pure sort [TS]

00:18:36   of like straightforward pop but had this [TS]

00:18:38   kind of quirky element I feel like it's [TS]

00:18:41   a John Henry was controversial but I [TS]

00:18:43   their next album factory showroom I felt [TS]

00:18:46   like verged on being a completely [TS]

00:18:48   straight mainstream Rock Album not quite [TS]

00:18:50   but so close that I felt like I expected [TS]

00:18:53   their album after that to just be a [TS]

00:18:55   regular rock album and instead what [TS]

00:18:58   happened is they went back to being [TS]

00:18:59   crazier and Kiki or a nerdier they went [TS]

00:19:02   the other way was like you know know [TS]

00:19:04   know this song is too straightforward we [TS]

00:19:06   can't have that we need to step it back [TS]

00:19:08   not i just went away in there Jason I [TS]

00:19:10   believe because you know i have had this [TS]

00:19:11   conversation that factory showroom is is [TS]

00:19:14   another one of your favorite they might [TS]

00:19:16   be giants album yes but it's so funny to [TS]

00:19:19   me to hear you say that you thought that [TS]

00:19:21   one was there you know more mainstream [TS]

00:19:23   Rock effort i mean i think there are [TS]

00:19:25   some some real hard rock song real hard [TS]

00:19:27   is not really reacted with some you know [TS]

00:19:29   real intense rock songs like till my [TS]

00:19:30   head falls off there when you think [TS]

00:19:32   about tracks like exclusive dead guy or [TS]

00:19:34   metal detector xec vs animated or james [TS]

00:19:36   k polk or I can hear you [TS]

00:19:39   which are you know make up half this [TS]

00:19:40   album down I don't like it any sense you [TS]

00:19:43   could say this is a rock out many of [TS]

00:19:44   these tracks are a performance pieces [TS]

00:19:46   yeah but i had his pet name not about a [TS]

00:19:48   straightforward as they've ever been in [TS]

00:19:49   New York City is that not about [TS]

00:19:51   straightforward several new york city is [TS]

00:19:53   a cover this capital that they do love [TS]

00:19:55   doing the covers and I i agree with you [TS]

00:19:57   there but your pet name I think I mean I [TS]

00:19:59   love pet name it I would you know we can [TS]

00:20:01   get into this too but I happen to my end [TS]

00:20:04   up being more of a lil song fan the [TS]

00:20:06   flames of birdsong family list my [TS]

00:20:07   favorites is it always leaves lanell but [TS]

00:20:10   cracking the favorites list from [TS]

00:20:12   Flansburg is always going to be pet name [TS]

00:20:14   and I don't think it's straightforward i [TS]

00:20:15   mean i think that you know musically [TS]

00:20:17   sonically maybe it's a little bit [TS]

00:20:18   straightforward but lyrically it's it's [TS]

00:20:20   not a pop song you can listen to the [TS]

00:20:21   radio and say I know exactly what's [TS]

00:20:23   happening in this song it's especially [TS]

00:20:25   the verses progressive we get into cats [TS]

00:20:27   cradle and where God me it's very I [TS]

00:20:29   think subtle isn't leading the NL your [TS]

00:20:31   tribute band name [TS]

00:20:33   yeah where it is now right Eileen john [TS]

00:20:37   henry st each other you know I'm gonna [TS]

00:20:39   tell you honestly I couldn't tell you [TS]

00:20:40   which I'd ever look at those credits for [TS]

00:20:42   these guys [TS]

00:20:43   whether its plans for early now I know [TS]

00:20:45   there's different kinds of things things [TS]

00:20:46   that right but yeah well sort of yeah i [TS]

00:20:48   mean that's the thing too is they have [TS]

00:20:50   like some might actually my favorite [TS]

00:20:52   they might be giants memory is not [TS]

00:20:53   seeing them live which i saw i think [TS]

00:20:55   only see them once at the Showbox in [TS]

00:20:57   seattle classic venue where the smoke is [TS]

00:21:00   so thick it was in the space looking [TS]

00:21:01   smoking clubs days that I almost [TS]

00:21:03   couldn't see them on the stage from [TS]

00:21:05   across a very small but states but they [TS]

00:21:08   were terrific they're actually such good [TS]

00:21:10   performers live that it was slightly [TS]

00:21:12   disappointed as I hoped they would be [TS]

00:21:13   more spontaneous but very tight and they [TS]

00:21:15   they delivered but my favorite memory is [TS]

00:21:18   watching them when Apollo 18 came out [TS]

00:21:20   they want the jay leno show and they [TS]

00:21:22   performed with my favorite singers are [TS]

00:21:25   sit straw the tall strange woman who was [TS]

00:21:27   on adventures of pete and pete just a [TS]

00:21:30   terrific fasting singer with interesting [TS]

00:21:31   voice and she sang they saying the lion [TS]

00:21:34   sleeps tonight [TS]

00:21:35   silver spaceship and which is a weird [TS]

00:21:37   song in any guitar with that all the [TS]

00:21:41   good times all the guitar Glenn it's [TS]

00:21:43   called let him host this podcast i was a [TS]

00:21:46   clerical error [TS]

00:21:47   I don't know who wrote any of the songs [TS]

00:21:49   I don't know what you don't know the [TS]

00:21:52   names of the sound perfect i was singing [TS]

00:21:53   your favorite memory is not seeing them [TS]

00:21:56   live [TS]

00:21:58   but i have lunch with their producer [TS]

00:22:02   allocation I'll get you LT so the so [TS]

00:22:06   they're performing the song it was [TS]

00:22:07   slightly a tune because you know the [TS]

00:22:09   monitors don't always work in studios UC [TS]

00:22:12   Santa live it's often whatever say sing [TS]

00:22:13   this song and the cover letter and he's [TS]

00:22:15   looking at them like who the hell but [TS]

00:22:17   these guys I don't know what that world [TS]

00:22:18   so he says [TS]

00:22:20   so I you guys like sports it was like if [TS]

00:22:24   in Letterman that would have been funny [TS]

00:22:26   but letter just had no they just SAT [TS]

00:22:28   there and sort of series each other made [TS]

00:22:30   adultery conversation to linocuts single [TS]

00:22:32   for a commercial but it was like he did [TS]

00:22:34   not get em one bit not a superpower me [TS]

00:22:37   surprised yeah exactly but they were [TS]

00:22:39   booked because they were popular at that [TS]

00:22:41   exact moment in time they were popular [TS]

00:22:43   enough to be considered and then booked [TS]

00:22:44   on the jay leno show whatever it was [TS]

00:22:47   called at the time the tonight show [TS]

00:22:48   perhaps I don't know the show jay little [TS]

00:22:51   shouldn't host GRE look it's whatever [TS]

00:22:53   show it was it was the right I believe [TS]

00:22:54   it was the conan o'brien show featuring [TS]

00:22:57   a letter [TS]

00:22:58   I you know I i have it's not guilt but [TS]

00:23:00   there's a tiny sense of shame for me [TS]

00:23:02   even participating in this podcast only [TS]

00:23:04   because I feel like especially in my [TS]

00:23:07   even younger years they might be giants [TS]

00:23:10   help me develop was probably my worst [TS]

00:23:12   habit as a friend who wanted to share [TS]

00:23:15   music which was I was that guy when I [TS]

00:23:17   wanted to play know the the newest [TS]

00:23:19   greatest they might be trying to track [TS]

00:23:20   from whatever the new out was for [TS]

00:23:22   friends who were perhaps less fond or [TS]

00:23:24   less familiar with the band was it but [TS]

00:23:26   you gotta listen just listen to this [TS]

00:23:28   next year you know just listen to what [TS]

00:23:30   happened seriously because act to me you [TS]

00:23:32   know for some songs when you're [TS]

00:23:34   listening to the beatles whom you know [TS]

00:23:36   they may be guys themselves have cited [TS]

00:23:37   as a strong influence i guess every [TS]

00:23:39   decent band has that's a good influence [TS]

00:23:42   you know you can hear it though you can [TS]

00:23:43   hear the beatles in the lyrics and the [TS]

00:23:45   OGG certainly can what do you think [TS]

00:23:47   about something like I wanna hold your [TS]

00:23:48   hand I think you're okay by verse 2 if [TS]

00:23:51   you check out a little bit and just [TS]

00:23:52   start you know appreciating the sound [TS]

00:23:54   and aren't paying attention but when [TS]

00:23:55   you're in that they might be giants song [TS]

00:23:56   you want to pay attention at least I [TS]

00:23:58   want to pay attention to what's [TS]

00:24:00   happening lyrically 1 verse 2 comes [TS]

00:24:01   around and whatever else comes around [TS]

00:24:03   because there are no wasted words and [TS]

00:24:05   everything they're saying is important [TS]

00:24:06   to that song and I was like you know you [TS]

00:24:09   have to be quiet listen to standing in [TS]

00:24:10   my car where they tore down the girl [TS]

00:24:12   just wait for the next line to make room [TS]

00:24:14   for the torn down garage [TS]

00:24:16   okay so yeah just needlessly obsessing [TS]

00:24:18   over each individual lyric I feel that I [TS]

00:24:21   do and I I feel a little bit of shame [TS]

00:24:23   about well you know I want to ask you [TS]

00:24:25   guys I think I made this comment I [TS]

00:24:27   didn't make this coming earlier I [TS]

00:24:28   haven't forgotten yet which is that I [TS]

00:24:29   you know the first couple albums the [TS]

00:24:31   eponymous album eponymous debut album [TS]

00:24:33   and Lincoln we're really i would say [TS]

00:24:36   their nonsense song for the songs had [TS]

00:24:38   less intentional meaning in what should [TS]

00:24:41   we say they're a little more like almost [TS]

00:24:43   stream-of-consciousness you know just [TS]

00:24:46   things that was a [TS]

00:24:47   stream-of-consciousness more like [TS]

00:24:48   subconscious thinking like that thing [TS]

00:24:50   when you're half-asleep and kind as the [TS]

00:24:52   unconscious is like you're half asleep [TS]

00:24:54   and these things connect like I you know [TS]

00:24:58   purple to pay our countdown going down [TS]

00:25:00   to count on the counter friends with me [TS]

00:25:02   they live beneath the ocean live need to [TS]

00:25:03   see of course the cows do great [TS]

00:25:05   it's just things like you're almost [TS]

00:25:06   you're just nodding off to sleep and it [TS]

00:25:08   makes sense then and then its culture [TS]

00:25:10   killed my dog and I don't have enough [TS]

00:25:12   air they'll need to shoehorn with teeth [TS]

00:25:14   you know I want to shoehorn stepped on [TS]

00:25:16   my teeth it's just this clock [TS]

00:25:18   I want to apologize to our they may be [TS]

00:25:19   Giants who are you were so upset at [TS]

00:25:23   Glenn's butchering the lyrics of this [TS]

00:25:25   song [TS]

00:25:25   wait what am I saying so you sing it [TS]

00:25:27   what is that every everything you do is [TS]

00:25:30   better hide with he started the door he [TS]

00:25:33   would get what beat i was eating their [TS]

00:25:36   beliefs are very good too or no access [TS]

00:25:39   respiration skating like the leaves [TS]

00:25:41   oh gosh i did not realize how hard this [TS]

00:25:44   job was Jason and so I took it off and I [TS]

00:25:48   don't want the world glad I just want my [TS]

00:25:50   half due to so from this guy you know [TS]

00:25:55   now I was gonna make up the lyrics [TS]

00:25:57   remember to myself don't think my god is [TS]

00:26:01   going to host the podcast play with us i [TS]

00:26:05   think that it would you mind if i write [TS]

00:26:06   and green magic marker on the back of [TS]

00:26:08   your head right now Jason because you [TS]

00:26:10   know so between they might be giants [TS]

00:26:14   eponymous debut and Lincoln yes with [TS]

00:26:16   flood they got into more narrative stuff [TS]

00:26:17   and I think Apollo 8 even more so [TS]

00:26:19   there's actually a stitched on the story [TS]

00:26:21   i mean their stories in the first two [TS]

00:26:22   albums but i think they didn't become [TS]

00:26:24   like true [TS]

00:26:24   contains storytellers until later apollo [TS]

00:26:27   18 is famous for a you know annoying [TS]

00:26:30   people who shuffled because they realize [TS]

00:26:32   there is that too [TS]

00:26:33   absolutely just which makes absolutely [TS]

00:26:34   no sense but is my favorite part of [TS]

00:26:36   Apollo 80mm at least you're saying the [TS]

00:26:39   fingertips the song makes no sense [TS]

00:26:41   I i think it makes little sense see you [TS]

00:26:44   know I'm gonna talk at two sides of my [TS]

00:26:46   mouth which is a parlor trick I learned [TS]

00:26:48   you know I think there is respect once [TS]

00:26:50   okay this that you know there's a [TS]

00:26:52   tendency and this part of what am I you [TS]

00:26:54   know when my early internet time was [TS]

00:26:57   spent on forums either discussing weird [TS]

00:26:59   LOL where they might be giants and you [TS]

00:27:01   know there was this tendency then and [TS]

00:27:02   still now to to analyze everything might [TS]

00:27:04   be giants long ago for what's the [TS]

00:27:06   interpretation what's really happening i [TS]

00:27:07   think that probably in my mind at least [TS]

00:27:09   that starts because of their first I [TS]

00:27:11   think one of their first major singles [TS]

00:27:13   birdhouse in your soul whose lyrics are [TS]

00:27:15   not it's not obvious to many listeners [TS]

00:27:17   who liked the song what it's about if [TS]

00:27:18   they don't spend the time to actually [TS]

00:27:19   look we're really pay strict attention [TS]

00:27:21   to the lyrics so then every song of [TS]

00:27:23   theirs gets over analyze and you know [TS]

00:27:25   you have a baby died saying you know [TS]

00:27:26   most of the time we don't have deeper [TS]

00:27:27   meaning you know when people are [TS]

00:27:28   learning about this lyric it's because [TS]

00:27:30   it fit the song nicely there or arrived [TS]

00:27:32   at the regular price but it is a [TS]

00:27:34   different thing between it the song [TS]

00:27:36   having to make some coherent sense that [TS]

00:27:37   you can decode and they're being a story [TS]

00:27:40   in the song and I think osher the story [TS]

00:27:42   was a very small story like both of car [TS]

00:27:44   is a crate I Love Boat of car but it's [TS]

00:27:46   like it's almost indecipherable what the [TS]

00:27:48   story is and there's sort of using [TS]

00:27:50   language not tell the story but to tell [TS]

00:27:52   you there is a story there [TS]

00:27:53   I think that's there when you get into [TS]

00:27:55   flood and Apollo 18 i think more so and [TS]

00:27:58   there's there is an actual narrative [TS]

00:27:59   they're telling within many not all of [TS]

00:28:01   the songs where paints all you know it's [TS]

00:28:03   it's a world they create briefly and [TS]

00:28:04   then destroy no I think that's fair but [TS]

00:28:08   i would just say even though i think [TS]

00:28:09   that it's easy to overanalyze they might [TS]

00:28:11   be giants songs that I feel that [TS]

00:28:13   fingertips actually does tell a story [TS]

00:28:15   well you pick that is your favorite song [TS]

00:28:18   so you don't get a talk about anything [TS]

00:28:19   that's fine because I'm cutting you off [TS]

00:28:23   I'm cutting you off friedman because we [TS]

00:28:26   talked in this episode we're planning [TS]

00:28:27   this episode about that a little more [TS]

00:28:29   focus where each picking a song that we [TS]

00:28:31   like and we'll talk about it [TS]

00:28:32   like I want you to go first because i [TS]

00:28:34   just cut you off and lets you picked the [TS]

00:28:36   Mesopotamians unless i'm pronouncing [TS]

00:28:38   that wrong no you nailed it [TS]

00:28:40   oh it you know it to me there without a [TS]

00:28:44   security what album is it from her that [TS]

00:28:46   I'm sure well the Mesopotamian else is [TS]

00:28:48   on the else that's exactly right 20,000 [TS]

00:28:51   that somebody has done their homework [TS]

00:28:52   left like somebody has been the pedia [TS]

00:28:54   really open front of them yeah sadly [TS]

00:28:56   wikipedia just include lyrics you don't [TS]

00:28:59   even wikipedia you just need TM bTW this [TS]

00:29:02   might be a wiki which is the variable [TS]

00:29:04   source for they might be giants wiki [TS]

00:29:06   information that's where the real fans [TS]

00:29:08   come tmw dotnet you've got your lyrics [TS]

00:29:10   your interpretations your song facs [TS]

00:29:12   analysis and all that but so the [TS]

00:29:14   Mesopotamians I like on 800 levels and i [TS]

00:29:17   think that the reason i picked it for 75 [TS]

00:29:21   cows our podcast the reason i picked for [TS]

00:29:23   this podcast is because i truly think I [TS]

00:29:25   mean it is up there nine children focus [TS]

00:29:28   songs it has to rank in the top ten [TS]

00:29:30   nerdiest they might be giant songs it [TS]

00:29:33   works out a lot of levels first you've [TS]

00:29:34   got the the historical level you know [TS]

00:29:36   he's Jenelle who wrote and sings the [TS]

00:29:38   song you know is talking about the [TS]

00:29:41   Mesopotamia and he's citing Sargon [TS]

00:29:44   Hammurabi oxygen bond appalling [TS]

00:29:45   Gilgamesh you very rarely feature i [TS]

00:29:47   think of popular music I can't name a [TS]

00:29:50   many other songs with offshore Barbara [TS]

00:29:52   Calif specifically asked but so you've [TS]

00:29:55   got that element and you've got a very [TS]

00:29:56   strange as that when you listen to the [TS]

00:29:59   song you've got a very strange sort of [TS]

00:30:00   temporal anomaly happening at the song [TS]

00:30:03   because there clearly living in [TS]

00:30:04   Mesopotamia in the time of Mesopotamia [TS]

00:30:07   yet they're driving around in there [TS]

00:30:08   econoline van as they tour from town to [TS]

00:30:10   town in their band so you've got all [TS]

00:30:13   that happening which i think is [TS]

00:30:14   interesting and then you've got this [TS]

00:30:15   note first that the band has a sort of [TS]

00:30:19   theirs discontent within the band at one [TS]

00:30:21   point where you know he's not going to [TS]

00:30:24   share his gun with one of the members of [TS]

00:30:25   the band because he said his haircut was [TS]

00:30:28   poor and then you've got a whole Beatles [TS]

00:30:30   Paul is dead reference where they're [TS]

00:30:32   singing you know I thought that you were [TS]

00:30:33   dead I thought you crashed your car and [TS]

00:30:35   he's no man I've been right here this [TS]

00:30:36   whole time playing bass guitar it's it's [TS]

00:30:39   it's it's a mean the song is bizarre [TS]

00:30:41   there is no other band that could ever [TS]

00:30:42   have written that song I don't think you [TS]

00:30:44   can say that about every day might be [TS]

00:30:45   giants song [TS]

00:30:45   I'm confident that with the [TS]

00:30:47   Mesopotamians and I think you know it's [TS]

00:30:49   it's also i think just musically very [TS]

00:30:51   interesting and it's starting i think [TS]

00:30:54   around i don't know 2004-2005 john [TS]

00:30:57   linnell started writing songs more often [TS]

00:31:02   that didn't require in his mind a [TS]

00:31:04   standard verse chorus verse chorus verse [TS]

00:31:06   chorus pattern and know when you listen [TS]

00:31:09   to Mesopotamia is it doesn't sound like [TS]

00:31:10   it's you know a crazy contract that's [TS]

00:31:13   weaving in and out of all sorts of [TS]

00:31:14   different sections but when you if you [TS]

00:31:16   pay strict attention to it it's it's [TS]

00:31:18   very crazy the way all that works [TS]

00:31:19   together there isn't a standard [TS]

00:31:21   first-force pattern at all and I don't [TS]

00:31:23   know it's I think it's musically great i [TS]

00:31:25   think it's clearly great it's it's I [TS]

00:31:26   love it [TS]

00:31:27   let's pretend to listen to a little bit [TS]

00:31:29   of it right now hey man [TS]

00:31:47   [Music] [TS]

00:31:52   and [TS]

00:32:03   [Music] [TS]

00:32:17   I'm gonna pick Scotland's got you picked [TS]

00:32:21   one of my favorite songs i almost picked [TS]

00:32:23   it but you did so I'm letting you have a [TS]

00:32:24   exquisite dead guy but i guess some [TS]

00:32:27   rotating in his display case it is from [TS]

00:32:31   factory showroom is it not yes yes it is [TS]

00:32:35   a program i thought i had turned to [TS]

00:32:38   glare do one point I think we were all [TS]

00:32:40   picking songs from factory showroom [TS]

00:32:42   sometimes the way to land the plane [TS]

00:32:44   kicked i picked 12 and led kicked me out [TS]

00:32:47   and we're going to choose something else [TS]

00:32:48   1996 yeah actually showroom is a very [TS]

00:32:52   strong album you know that has many [TS]

00:32:55   fantastic songs on it I think squid [TS]

00:32:58   squid a dead guy is the best [TS]

00:33:00   they might be giants on on that album [TS]

00:33:02   because it is kind of odd how it is [TS]

00:33:08   short [TS]

00:33:09   it has very few lyrics it's very [TS]

00:33:11   catching make sure thang who is this [TS]

00:33:13   exquisite dead guy [TS]

00:33:14   are they talking about I don't know let [TS]

00:33:18   in or Jesus recording or recovery or are [TS]

00:33:23   they just talking about the exquisite [TS]

00:33:25   corpse writing game [TS]

00:33:27   who knows beautiful harmony harmony it's [TS]

00:33:31   true and if they mention a skyhook which [TS]

00:33:33   i'm not sure what it is but I like it [TS]

00:33:35   could you picture that I picture the [TS]

00:33:37   exquisite guy like sort of being flown [TS]

00:33:40   under a helicopter from the sky look as [TS]

00:33:42   always my images just being suspended [TS]

00:33:44   rotating flying through the sky under a [TS]

00:33:46   helicopter now but not everyone's [TS]

00:33:48   opinion print that that could be it i [TS]

00:33:50   don't know what's gonna hook it all have [TS]

00:33:52   our I don't know exactly [TS]

00:33:54   this is a the beauty of the song is it [TS]

00:33:57   so short and yet so many possibilities [TS]

00:33:59   there's very little instrumentation it's [TS]

00:34:00   mostly just like I think there's a base [TS]

00:34:02   and maybe a little bit of a very subtle [TS]

00:34:04   drums but it's mostly just them singing [TS]

00:34:06   we want to harp in the Oregon going into [TS]

00:34:09   the leverage to the bridges what makes [TS]

00:34:10   the song let's pretend to listen to the [TS]

00:34:12   bridge right out my supposed to let you [TS]

00:34:15   no way I feel about you [TS]

00:34:22   [Music] [TS]

00:34:39   ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop [TS]

00:34:44   ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop ba-bop [TS]

00:34:50   ba-bop and there we go that was good all [TS]

00:34:58   right so that Scott continue pray [TS]

00:34:59   continue [TS]

00:35:01   that's it i'm a simple explanation of [TS]

00:35:04   the songs only two minutes long how much [TS]

00:35:05   kids to do I don't want to explain to [TS]

00:35:07   talk about it for longer than the actual [TS]

00:35:09   song is that's well apparently don't [TS]

00:35:11   have that problem that they have with [TS]

00:35:13   Star Wars so oh let's talk about [TS]

00:35:17   exquisite dead guy all night [TS]

00:35:19   well I i mean if you wanted to talk for [TS]

00:35:21   an extra medicine is dead guy it's one [TS]

00:35:23   of the name Abby Jones they might be [TS]

00:35:25   giants songs that I put in that category [TS]

00:35:26   of its it's a set-piece it's a [TS]

00:35:28   performance art song in a way that you [TS]

00:35:31   know some other songs on every car that [TS]

00:35:33   doesn't make it better or worse but I [TS]

00:35:35   feel like there are some and i think i'm [TS]

00:35:36   in the minority opinion here because I [TS]

00:35:37   think you all three if you really love [TS]

00:35:39   the song whereas i merely like it you [TS]

00:35:42   know there are songs that you can rock [TS]

00:35:44   out to when you can just say I'm gonna [TS]

00:35:45   put this on and whether i'm paying [TS]

00:35:47   attention or not it's going to make my [TS]

00:35:48   day better by virtue of my listening to [TS]

00:35:50   it but exquisite dead guy to me is a [TS]

00:35:52   song that one rocks out to revenge have [TS]

00:35:54   to it's a song that you experience each [TS]

00:35:55   time displayed because it's like it's [TS]

00:35:57   theater in a song i agree with that [TS]

00:35:59   actually it's not [TS]

00:36:00   I I wouldn't although Scott is a [TS]

00:36:02   handsome man i would not pick this is my [TS]

00:36:04   close to my favorite from that album [TS]

00:36:07   with some of my favorite songs are on [TS]

00:36:08   but it's funny and I enjoy it and I [TS]

00:36:12   recall my wife and I sing along to it [TS]

00:36:14   the car every time it played and it's [TS]

00:36:17   just fun it is a symbol nights [TS]

00:36:20   interaction or something well it's it's [TS]

00:36:22   I think it's that we don't know the [TS]

00:36:23   skyhook is we don't know what's going on [TS]

00:36:25   but it's all intriguing it's and it [TS]

00:36:28   sounds good and it's it's catchy and I [TS]

00:36:29   could dance to where I saw his mouth [TS]

00:36:31   move so I and i'm going to take the next [TS]

00:36:35   talk before I give it a sin which is [TS]

00:36:37   another song from faction room because [TS]

00:36:40   it's it's so darn catchy and this song [TS]

00:36:42   is I'm gonna double-check the title in [TS]

00:36:44   order to mark the bells are ringing [TS]

00:36:47   write it as medicine i pricked [TS]

00:36:51   called lossing twice daily but is it [TS]

00:36:55   that called the dolls are bringing great [TS]

00:36:57   fantastic song and so the reason I've [TS]

00:37:00   always always like the Sun and sometimes [TS]

00:37:02   when I just need like to get something [TS]

00:37:04   out of my head i'll play this song [TS]

00:37:05   because i think it's so catchy will [TS]

00:37:07   chase other earworms away and it's it's [TS]

00:37:10   a you know this talk is well let's [TS]

00:37:12   listen to a little bit of it first [TS]

00:37:14   doing it [TS]

00:37:16   [Music] [TS]

00:37:24   voices telling [TS]

00:37:25   [Music] [TS]

00:37:42   constructed a generation they probably [TS]

00:37:49   by the way [TS]

00:37:52   Congress [TS]

00:37:54   baby [TS]

00:37:55   [Music] [TS]

00:38:00   and [TS]

00:38:03   and so there's that great this recurring [TS]

00:38:04   thing its exquisite guy has the has a [TS]

00:38:07   pop on about up and up and up and up and [TS]

00:38:10   up everything thing up and and the bells [TS]

00:38:17   ringing has the bong bong bong bong [TS]

00:38:20   bong-bong-bong bunk but i like the bells [TS]

00:38:23   are ringing because it the first time I [TS]

00:38:25   heard them like I've seen that [TS]

00:38:27   science-fiction movie it it tells almost [TS]

00:38:29   the entire structures like is an alien [TS]

00:38:31   invasion people's minds are taken over [TS]

00:38:34   there's a little tension that the girl [TS]

00:38:36   you know this one woman it's this as a [TS]

00:38:38   girl need [TS]

00:38:42   [Music] [TS]

00:38:46   shield from [TS]

00:38:55   by hand [TS]

00:38:59   p dude pays her staring [TS]

00:39:06   it's just this is beautifully written [TS]

00:39:09   little concise think it's as if someone [TS]

00:39:11   said ok tell me an entire story about an [TS]

00:39:14   event in you know 40 words can have a [TS]

00:39:17   Twitter style competition [TS]

00:39:19   oh it's it's basically invasion of the [TS]

00:39:21   Body Body Snatchers except instead of [TS]

00:39:23   aliens its consumerism and holiday [TS]

00:39:26   holiday consumerism specifically which [TS]

00:39:28   for this time of year seems appropriate [TS]

00:39:30   I it is one of my favorite kind of [TS]

00:39:32   oddball christmas songs in a way because [TS]

00:39:35   it to me that's exactly what it is is [TS]

00:39:38   you can't you cannot escape it it you [TS]

00:39:41   will get you talk to your better ideas [TS]

00:39:43   because I hear that I think this song is [TS]

00:39:44   being about mind control but I don't [TS]

00:39:46   think of its being about consumerism so [TS]

00:39:48   where do you get the consumerism from [TS]

00:39:49   what the great things about they may be [TS]

00:39:51   Giants as they try to do rhythmically [TS]

00:39:52   rich interesting things they do you know [TS]

00:39:54   syncopation they do what do you call [TS]

00:39:57   that effect with you it is it that [TS]

00:39:58   syncopation it's a common response and [TS]

00:40:00   you have like pop but we got two sets of [TS]

00:40:02   voices working in alternation there is a [TS]

00:40:05   musical term for it i don't recall the [TS]

00:40:07   NK track singing the user in them anyway [TS]

00:40:10   so they to our stuff that's very well [TS]

00:40:13   it's very often when there when they [TS]

00:40:16   want to they can be rhythmically complex [TS]

00:40:17   harmonically complex they pull of things [TS]

00:40:21   from world music some of which sound [TS]

00:40:24   very obscure they'll use really bizarre [TS]

00:40:26   instruments when I saw them live there [TS]

00:40:27   like and the glockenspiel and bring up [TS]

00:40:29   will you play the glockenspiel after [TS]

00:40:30   this whole bit with a guy he comes and [TS]

00:40:32   goes being and then it goes away with [TS]

00:40:34   the clock it feels like Van baerle show [TS]

00:40:36   and horn exactly right and you played [TS]

00:40:39   the glockenspiel so they they like to [TS]

00:40:41   play with instruments like to play with [TS]

00:40:43   that and i think this song its there's [TS]

00:40:45   aspects of minimalist music in it [TS]

00:40:47   because you're a repetitive theme that's [TS]

00:40:48   used the underlying components that [TS]

00:40:50   supposed to create you in and i think is [TS]

00:40:52   part of the whole musicality they bring [TS]

00:40:53   but it's just like listening to it like [TS]

00:40:55   singing along to it [TS]

00:40:56   ok so Lex here's my answer to you about [TS]

00:40:58   the bells ringing which is it is my [TS]

00:41:00   interpretation of it i feel that the [TS]

00:41:01   bells themselves are our I've [TS]

00:41:04   interpreted that as being kind of [TS]

00:41:05   holiday like bells and I feel like what [TS]

00:41:08   they're what the people are doing is is [TS]

00:41:11   shopping is is buying things it's it [TS]

00:41:15   that's what the people miss you know [TS]

00:41:18   they're trying to fulfill themselves and [TS]

00:41:20   I [TS]

00:41:20   I so that's how I've always read it is [TS]

00:41:22   as interesting as a Christmas as a xmas [TS]

00:41:25   on where Christmas bells and the [TS]

00:41:27   compulsion to go out and buy things that [TS]

00:41:31   Christmas is what what's happening [TS]

00:41:33   the nice thing for me is that your [TS]

00:41:34   interpretation can co-exist very kindly [TS]

00:41:36   with mine so I it's it's it means it is [TS]

00:41:38   mind control but I I view it as being [TS]

00:41:41   through the reflection of sort of [TS]

00:41:42   consumerism but i also like the science [TS]

00:41:44   fictiony part of if you think about it [TS]

00:41:45   was pure sci-fi where where they didn't [TS]

00:41:47   have aliens come down there giant bodies [TS]

00:41:49   take over us it's its bowels there's no [TS]

00:41:52   explanation that off the tell stories [TS]

00:41:53   one of the great things about I think [TS]

00:41:55   music in general is that you can tell a [TS]

00:41:56   story in such short strokes because the [TS]

00:41:59   the music itself is supposed to make up [TS]

00:42:01   and helps us paint the picture our head [TS]

00:42:02   and the negative things like the bells [TS]

00:42:04   ringing it's a-ok oral i don't care i [TS]

00:42:06   don't know the details [TS]

00:42:07   you got me drunk and hit the outro to is [TS]

00:42:10   so great [TS]

00:42:11   [Music] [TS]

00:42:22   we have one more contestant dr. worm [TS]

00:42:26   Jason you like dr. which is also i would [TS]

00:42:28   have to say one of my many thousands of [TS]

00:42:30   favorites of their songs [TS]

00:42:31   dr. worm is from which album dr. worm is [TS]

00:42:34   the I think only studio track on the [TS]

00:42:38   entire damage one of the only studio [TS]

00:42:40   taxon severe tire damage correct [TS]

00:42:43   what's the other the severe tire damage [TS]

00:42:45   theme is that what you're thinking [TS]

00:42:46   well there's the severe tire damage the [TS]

00:42:48   but there's also about me [TS]

00:42:52   oh really weird bizarre at the very end [TS]

00:42:54   right okay it's the only decent studio [TS]

00:42:58   song will accept that you on the live [TS]

00:43:00   album severe tire damage where they [TS]

00:43:01   stick at studio track on the front of it [TS]

00:43:03   in order to sell it to people who might [TS]

00:43:05   not want otherwise by a they might be [TS]

00:43:08   giants live album and so it'sit's track [TS]

00:43:12   one and it's actually good album [TS]

00:43:14   management good rare rare ish stuff on [TS]

00:43:17   there that I like in the end the live [TS]

00:43:19   stuff too but and this is truly horrible [TS]

00:43:22   disappears because because although my [TS]

00:43:24   favorite my favorite I think bar none [TS]

00:43:27   they might be giants on his metal [TS]

00:43:29   detector and the geeky song that I [TS]

00:43:30   wanted to talk about is spiraling shape [TS]

00:43:33   also from factory showroom client has [TS]

00:43:36   instructed me to talk about dr. work dr. [TS]

00:43:38   worm is great because it is it is nerdy [TS]

00:43:41   but it's music nerdy and I think one of [TS]

00:43:43   the interesting things about they might [TS]

00:43:45   be giants there are a lot of musicians [TS]

00:43:46   who are who are our geeky but their [TS]

00:43:49   music geeks because they're musicians [TS]

00:43:50   right and they might be giants does both [TS]

00:43:52   and cut has sort of strange stories [TS]

00:43:55   about you know strange people or things [TS]

00:43:57   that was about science or science [TS]

00:43:59   fiction concepts dr. worm is none of [TS]

00:44:01   those dr. worm is about a a diluted [TS]

00:44:04   drummer or a an up-and-coming drummer [TS]

00:44:07   he's invented a stage name and he's very [TS]

00:44:10   enthusiastic about it that he says call [TS]

00:44:12   me dr. worm [TS]

00:44:13   good morning how are you I'm dr. when he [TS]

00:44:15   gets to rehearse sort of who he is under [TS]

00:44:18   his stage name and the rest of the story [TS]

00:44:20   is essentially how much he loves playing [TS]

00:44:23   the drums and he wants you to come in [TS]

00:44:25   and I've lee i left the door unlocked [TS]

00:44:27   because i can't hear the doorbell and [TS]

00:44:29   playing the drums so loud [TS]

00:44:30   come and tell me if you think I'm [TS]

00:44:32   getting better with my with my drum [TS]

00:44:34   playing and it's just it's [TS]

00:44:35   it's very fast it's got the Bighorns and [TS]

00:44:38   it and he's a doctor was very [TS]

00:44:40   enthusiastic and there's some of the [TS]

00:44:43   turns of phrase like both my kids [TS]

00:44:45   they've been growing up will [TS]

00:44:47   occasionally be focused on something [TS]

00:44:48   very very peculiar and and minut that [TS]

00:44:51   they'll focus on an intense detail [TS]

00:44:52   because their children and trying to [TS]

00:44:54   learn about it and my wife and i will [TS]

00:44:55   just say to each other [TS]

00:44:57   he's interested in things because that's [TS]

00:45:00   the line and dr. were most interested in [TS]

00:45:02   things I mention things i'm not a real [TS]

00:45:04   doctor I am a real actual worm [TS]

00:45:07   [Music] [TS]

00:45:16   they call me dr good morning [TS]

00:45:21   dr. war [TS]

00:45:23   I'm interested in things I'm not [TS]

00:45:26   dr. by [TS]

00:45:36   I like to play the drums [TS]

00:45:39   my [TS]

00:45:42   I can [TS]

00:45:44   this is [TS]

00:45:45   show you what [TS]

00:45:50   [Music] [TS]

00:45:56   you need [TS]

00:46:00   I'll so it's silly and yet it's got that [TS]

00:46:03   the the it's got a a protagonist who is [TS]

00:46:07   has this intense focus and is very [TS]

00:46:10   enthusiastic about something and you get [TS]

00:46:11   the sense that maybe he's not very good [TS]

00:46:13   at it but he's very enthusiastic about [TS]

00:46:16   it and that's why I that's why i put [TS]

00:46:18   that on my list of they might be giants [TS]

00:46:19   songs because I I like what it says that [TS]

00:46:22   they're writing you know there were [TS]

00:46:23   writing a song about a character like [TS]

00:46:25   that who's got that intense enthusiastic [TS]

00:46:27   focus on something right you never know [TS]

00:46:30   if it's misguided or not you assume it [TS]

00:46:31   is there's aspects of it makes you think [TS]

00:46:33   maybe it's not maybe at this striving [TS]

00:46:35   right he certainly put the cart before [TS]

00:46:37   the horse in choosing his stage name [TS]

00:46:39   while he's still practicing how to play [TS]

00:46:41   and as somebody who who wants roomed [TS]

00:46:43   with a guy with the drumset I i can [TS]

00:46:45   there's a one side of a Led Zeppelin [TS]

00:46:47   album that I know the entire drum part 2 [TS]

00:46:49   not the album itself i hear the album [TS]

00:46:51   and I get sweaty because I know the drum [TS]

00:46:52   part but uh so I know what it's like to [TS]

00:46:55   be around a drummer who is enthusiastic [TS]

00:46:57   but uh but yeah I assume he's not he's [TS]

00:47:02   not great because he's asking if I he's [TS]

00:47:04   getting better and he but yet he still [TS]

00:47:06   chosen his stage name you've seen them [TS]

00:47:08   perform that song live every day so I [TS]

00:47:09   have in fact I saw him perform it up [TS]

00:47:11   just a few weeks ago [TS]

00:47:13   it's it's become a real concert staple I [TS]

00:47:15   think because it's such a great stinking [TS]

00:47:17   song it against the Fed the pace of it [TS]

00:47:20   too i love how fast and and Pepe and [TS]

00:47:22   it's gonna play faster live albums and [TS]

00:47:24   my dear life a play day may be fast [TS]

00:47:27   yeah they loved it so much I always you [TS]

00:47:30   know I've seen them play that song with [TS]

00:47:31   with some horns and I've seen them play [TS]

00:47:33   that song where there's no for example [TS]

00:47:35   there's no horse its weaker you know [TS]

00:47:37   it's lyndell using his key that will sit [TS]

00:47:39   inside some trumpet sounds and it's kind [TS]

00:47:41   of better with the horns i agree i've [TS]

00:47:42   seen it both ways but what I love about [TS]

00:47:44   it is the lyrical improvisation might be [TS]

00:47:47   too strong with the lyrical liberties [TS]

00:47:49   they take with that's on both jobs when [TS]

00:47:52   they performed live you know I've seen [TS]

00:47:53   especially this that there's that spoken [TS]

00:47:55   interlude the song you know but well [TS]

00:47:58   it's it's sung in the song acapella in [TS]

00:48:00   the recording but then it live very [TS]

00:48:02   often i will start speaking there you [TS]

00:48:03   know call me back to where I not real [TS]

00:48:08   doctor [TS]

00:48:09   I'm interested stuff and you know just [TS]

00:48:10   as he starts you know playing with that [TS]

00:48:12   I really enjoy [TS]

00:48:14   and while he says he sometimes with my [TS]

00:48:16   point here going on live from any [TS]

00:48:18   changes your ex changes other and then [TS]

00:48:21   they do that [TS]

00:48:22   even better is at the end of the song [TS]

00:48:24   you know they're supposed to just saying [TS]

00:48:25   you know dr. were is the is the last leg [TS]

00:48:28   of the song song and perhaps harmonized [TS]

00:48:30   on but will very frequently i have found [TS]

00:48:33   flip because I've seen them live at [TS]

00:48:34   least two dozen times flavors really [TS]

00:48:36   seeing extra background lyrics like you [TS]

00:48:38   know i'm interested in things which is [TS]

00:48:40   not what does not actually up here the [TS]

00:48:42   original recording a song that always [TS]

00:48:43   just kills we've seen them two dozen [TS]

00:48:46   times at least yes astonishing [TS]

00:48:49   oh as about I've seen twice yeah I've [TS]

00:48:52   seen them once i got a rock so we should [TS]

00:48:56   move on from this which is great tight [TS]

00:48:59   around maybe the lightning round now [TS]

00:49:01   yes if you guess wrong you're shocked by [TS]

00:49:04   lightning that's how we play this game I [TS]

00:49:06   like it [TS]

00:49:07   that's like element of danger so Jason [TS]

00:49:11   when you go first since you taking up [TS]

00:49:12   the mantle we're going to talk about [TS]

00:49:13   some other nerdy albums are so many I [TS]

00:49:15   mean this is one of the things we have [TS]

00:49:16   to do multiple podcast on the news we've [TS]

00:49:19   talked about we talked about Paul and [TS]

00:49:20   storm we talked about Jonathan Coulton [TS]

00:49:22   we mentioned weird al yankovic and we [TS]

00:49:25   will come back to moment but there are [TS]

00:49:27   we could do entire podcast about some of [TS]

00:49:28   these folks because they have such a [TS]

00:49:30   huge ear visit discographies are [TS]

00:49:33   enormous and but you want to talk about [TS]

00:49:34   thousands of way in which i would say [TS]

00:49:36   Jason I didn't think initially I was [TS]

00:49:38   like after then exactly as a nerdy band [TS]

00:49:40   and I mention this to my dad and it is [TS]

00:49:42   so nerdy my dad listens to it so there [TS]

00:49:44   you go there you go there you know if [TS]

00:49:45   your dad listens to it but so you you [TS]

00:49:47   picked the song your song pic yeah I [TS]

00:49:49   went through a whole list of bands and [TS]

00:49:52   different ways of you know you are there [TS]

00:49:56   is a band of nerds but they write [TS]

00:49:58   straightforward pop songs is it people [TS]

00:50:00   who write about nerds that people who [TS]

00:50:02   write nerdy things I each other lots of [TS]

00:50:05   ways to define it and i went with [TS]

00:50:08   fountains of wayne which is a power pop [TS]

00:50:10   band and i love them and they're one of [TS]

00:50:12   my favorite bands of all time because [TS]

00:50:15   the songs they write they there's a [TS]

00:50:18   whole it's about a third of the songs [TS]

00:50:20   they write are these character songs [TS]

00:50:23   they're there about these characters who [TS]

00:50:25   are not the [TS]

00:50:27   kind of people you usually have a you [TS]

00:50:30   usually see in songs they usually have [TS]

00:50:32   songs written about them and their sad [TS]

00:50:33   sacks and they've got their obsessions [TS]

00:50:35   and they've got their their interests [TS]

00:50:37   that are our kind of the outsider e in a [TS]

00:50:42   way that makes me feel like that's why I [TS]

00:50:44   want to bring them up is that I I feel [TS]

00:50:46   like they they kind of reflect something [TS]

00:50:48   about the the geek experience of the [TS]

00:50:50   outside or experience and and their want [TS]

00:50:54   to choose from I know your dad mentioned [TS]

00:50:55   hackensack which is a fantastic song [TS]

00:50:57   it's also only 1i my creepy stalkers [TS]

00:51:00   playlist got Stacey's mom he really like [TS]

00:51:02   Stacy's mom which is a very very [TS]

00:51:04   peculiar that's what we had a little bit [TS]

00:51:06   of that that you can be started on this [TS]

00:51:08   being a little nerdy to in the little [TS]

00:51:09   stalkery but a song that i picked is a [TS]

00:51:11   song called leave the biker which is [TS]

00:51:13   from their first album which is the [TS]

00:51:14   self-titled fountains of wayne which i [TS]

00:51:16   think came out in like 96 something like [TS]

00:51:19   that the nineties we check all the [TS]

00:51:21   thousands of vici [TS]

00:51:22   let me check films are yes please do he [TS]

00:51:25   is your ear in New Jersey Lex so you are [TS]

00:51:27   the hub this the home team for you i'm [TS]

00:51:29   assuming there's a week II al4 we're [TS]

00:51:31   Dallas yes of course it's the AL pedia [TS]

00:51:35   so all the UH so for the first album and [TS]

00:51:40   what I love about leave the biker is [TS]

00:51:42   leave the biker structurally is is just [TS]

00:51:45   it's not like other songs because it's [TS]

00:51:48   not a love song its and it's not a [TS]

00:51:50   breakup song we know those from pop [TS]

00:51:52   music leave the biker the protagonist [TS]

00:51:54   and leave the biker doesn't want the [TS]

00:51:56   girl although he likes the girl the girl [TS]

00:51:58   is every man's dream and he doesn't have [TS]

00:52:01   the girl because he can't get the girl [TS]

00:52:04   she's with the bike she's with the biker [TS]

00:52:06   so there's this beautiful woman with the [TS]

00:52:08   biker and the biker is big and mean and [TS]

00:52:12   drunk and homophobic and slow a slob and [TS]

00:52:17   this beautiful woman is with him [TS]

00:52:19   so all the protagonist really wants he [TS]

00:52:21   doesn't want the girl he doesn't want to [TS]

00:52:22   ride off into the sunset with a girl all [TS]

00:52:24   he wants with his body and soul as he [TS]

00:52:27   focuses his like hate beam on the bar [TS]

00:52:30   and the biker in the girl who are at the [TS]

00:52:32   bar [TS]

00:52:32   he just wants the girl to leave the [TS]

00:52:34   biker and break his heart so that he can [TS]

00:52:36   feel pain because he deserves it because [TS]

00:52:38   he's a jerk and that there's something [TS]

00:52:40   about that that [TS]

00:52:41   that story and that feeling of like look [TS]

00:52:44   I'm not going to get her she's beautiful [TS]

00:52:45   she's every man's dream [TS]

00:52:47   I just want him to feel a little bit of [TS]

00:52:50   the pain that I feel in my life and if [TS]

00:52:53   that doesn't say something about the [TS]

00:52:54   kind of experience I don't know what [TS]

00:52:56   does so play the bikers my choice i love [TS]

00:52:58   off leave the biker let's listen to a [TS]

00:53:00   little bit of that to give people a [TS]

00:53:02   flavor for the front go in my place [TS]

00:53:07   he's got leather and tattoos scars all [TS]

00:53:10   over his face [TS]

00:53:13   ask [TS]

00:53:15   and [TS]

00:53:17   [Music] [TS]

00:53:27   special [TS]

00:53:28   can't you see [TS]

00:53:29   [Music] [TS]

00:53:34   leave the biker and leave the biker [TS]

00:53:36   break his heart [TS]

00:53:38   please [TS]

00:53:39   the biker leave the biker his five [TS]

00:53:42   break his heart let's do Scott next [TS]

00:53:46   Scott you picked interesting band Moxie [TS]

00:53:49   for is sex or haha for multipurpose to [TS]

00:53:54   the proven it's got an umlaut i'm going [TS]

00:53:56   to use it up well I had a little bit [TS]

00:54:00   just a little not for every way you can [TS]

00:54:02   take the dots on the unbeatable service [TS]

00:54:07   um you pick this band please tell us [TS]

00:54:09   something with a span of which I knew [TS]

00:54:10   nothing which is why you must tell us [TS]

00:54:13   I'm not surprised I so much promise [TS]

00:54:16   hails from Canada are they are kind of [TS]

00:54:20   well they've broken up sadly but uh they [TS]

00:54:22   were a pop folk kind of weird band I [TS]

00:54:28   suppose arm and they had their first [TS]

00:54:31   album which wasn't their demo but they [TS]

00:54:33   had a demo and that led to their first [TS]

00:54:35   album bargain ville which has a number [TS]

00:54:38   of fantastic songs on it [TS]

00:54:40   the one I picked as my favorite is my [TS]

00:54:43   baby loves a bunch of authors in which [TS]

00:54:45   chronicles the relationship between a [TS]

00:54:48   man who wants to go out dancing and his [TS]

00:54:51   baby wants to stay home and read all [TS]

00:54:53   kinds of fiction and if you did they go [TS]

00:54:56   to counseling and he hurts himself and [TS]

00:54:59   go to the doctor and the doctor says [TS]

00:55:00   I'll be with you as soon as I'm finished [TS]

00:55:02   reading my book and he's very frustrated [TS]

00:55:04   by this whole culture of people reading [TS]

00:55:05   about finally go to a party but its [TS]

00:55:08   authors night and so there are a bunch [TS]

00:55:11   of authors there and the name of the [TS]

00:55:13   song and they they saying about uh up a [TS]

00:55:16   number of authors many Canadian and I [TS]

00:55:19   like this song because it mentions [TS]

00:55:21   Robertson Davies which made me go read [TS]

00:55:25   everything that Robertson Davies rode up [TS]

00:55:27   and he's a fantastic canadian author so [TS]

00:55:29   check them out [TS]

00:55:30   also dead but he has a giant beer so [TS]

00:55:33   there's a joke about that the Sun [TS]

00:55:35   [Music] [TS]

00:55:36   am i still really baby you should hear [TS]

00:55:42   the things that she says she says [TS]

00:55:44   hundreds dead I better go to bed with [TS]

00:55:46   Gabrielle see a market at eleven william [TS]

00:55:49   s burroughs leave on the like bell hooks [TS]

00:55:52   and flirting with burden because he's so [TS]

00:55:55   smart in this book i like to go dancing [TS]

00:55:59   maybe another bunch of Arthur's my heart [TS]

00:56:02   broke and it's just sitting there doing [TS]

00:56:05   some reading and so a moxie purpose a [TS]

00:56:09   fantastic good time kind of upbeat band [TS]

00:56:14   with lots of great songs and I have seen [TS]

00:56:18   many times I mean I won't see them ever [TS]

00:56:20   again since i since I don't think he'll [TS]

00:56:21   be coming back together but if they do I [TS]

00:56:24   will go to the reunion concert Scott [TS]

00:56:26   since we both lived in Pennsylvania [TS]

00:56:27   simultaneously for a while did you ever [TS]

00:56:29   see them in king of pressure [TS]

00:56:30   ah where were they playing in a gazebo [TS]

00:56:34   yes I was that chance we have to make [TS]

00:56:37   sure this God that is a bit easy when [TS]

00:56:41   you stepped on that punk kid and told [TS]

00:56:43   him to get lost that was yeah it was a [TS]

00:56:45   little kid in the face up [TS]

00:56:47   actually we're both simultaneously [TS]

00:56:48   Punk's kids so you know you damn kids [TS]

00:56:52   get off my lawn [TS]

00:56:53   get off my nephew gobo exactly my gazebo [TS]

00:56:56   that was a great concert they have a [TS]

00:56:57   joke that was the start of their gazebo [TS]

00:56:59   tour which I always found quite amusing [TS]

00:57:02   I don't really understand why they're [TS]

00:57:04   playing in the gazebo but I went it was [TS]

00:57:06   felt as if you have the opportunity you [TS]

00:57:08   do it is my thinking strip blacks we [TS]

00:57:12   leave you for last [TS]

00:57:14   I don't have another pic at this point I [TS]

00:57:15   decided instead of making a podcast [TS]

00:57:17   insanely long [TS]

00:57:18   I would defer but next time but since [TS]

00:57:20   you don't know anything about Kiki [TS]

00:57:21   apparently I know nothing about Kiki [TS]

00:57:23   music and never listen I don't actually [TS]

00:57:24   photograph like her work so that as my [TS]

00:57:27   fellow panelists know this was this is [TS]

00:57:28   and i think this is true for all of us [TS]

00:57:30   but this decision was you know very [TS]

00:57:32   difficult 1i I was overwrought making [TS]

00:57:35   this call because I i love so many gig [TS]

00:57:38   bands out of the Act venture to say that [TS]

00:57:39   there are very few bands like that [TS]

00:57:40   wouldn't qualify as a nerdy bands of [TS]

00:57:42   some sort but I did go at Jason strong [TS]

00:57:45   urging with Alfred Matthew Yankovic [TS]

00:57:47   better known by his stage name weird [TS]

00:57:49   now and you know we had my first [TS]

00:57:54   introduction to weird out that I [TS]

00:57:55   remember was far from his first album [TS]

00:57:59   Eno 1983 he's got his album in 3d with [TS]

00:58:04   beat it on it but I you know I was three [TS]

00:58:08   so I didn't really get into him for for [TS]

00:58:10   several years until he next parody [TS]

00:58:11   michael jackson which was a his parody [TS]

00:58:15   fat and i saw i had known the michael [TS]

00:58:17   jackson song bad and then I'm friend [TS]

00:58:19   says you've got to check out this video [TS]

00:58:20   and he didn't show it to me on youtube [TS]

00:58:21   because it didn't exist yet but we [TS]

00:58:23   waited for it to show up on MTV and we [TS]

00:58:24   watch it we gonna wait for chad hurley [TS]

00:58:26   to invent you to in order to like it [TS]

00:58:28   took it took years no week so we watched [TS]

00:58:30   this fat music video and I'm I'm history [TS]

00:58:33   I think it's hysterical i'm cracking up [TS]

00:58:34   i cannot keep myself together and I'm [TS]

00:58:37   thinking to myself and this I I can [TS]

00:58:38   admit this all of you because you were [TS]

00:58:40   very close but you know for a moment [TS]

00:58:43   there thing that was good that's funny i [TS]

00:58:45   wonder why he didn't make a song called [TS]

00:58:47   good because that seemed to me at the [TS]

00:58:49   moment to be a better parent of a song [TS]

00:58:50   called bad and it had been about [TS]

00:58:51   somebody who's really good and it took a [TS]

00:58:53   couple more i would I don't know who's [TS]

00:58:55   months or years till my sense of [TS]

00:58:57   appreciation for parity could really [TS]

00:58:58   mature a bit more than that but you know [TS]

00:59:01   the song that I have picked from Weird [TS]

00:59:03   Al i think is certainly his nerdy song [TS]

00:59:06   is the song white and nerdy a parent [TS]

00:59:08   even not hugely popular rap song by a [TS]

00:59:10   guy named Joe Millionaire called ridin [TS]

00:59:13   the course of that song is trying to [TS]

00:59:15   catch me ridin dirty and in Al's version [TS]

00:59:18   of the song he's actually I think [TS]

00:59:19   singing close to in the first person as [TS]

00:59:22   himself which he doesn't usually do but [TS]

00:59:23   he's saying you know he's having a hard [TS]

00:59:25   time hanging out with the gangsters [TS]

00:59:27   because they recognized that he is [TS]

00:59:29   simply too white and nerdy [TS]

00:59:33   go with friends for a while [TS]

00:59:40   just do white nerdy singers 21 nerd and [TS]

00:59:43   see my nerdy white [TS]

00:59:46   [Music] [TS]

00:59:53   just do white nerdy just too white nerdy [TS]

00:59:56   just really really white [TS]

00:59:56   just really really white [TS]

01:00:00   mit skills opportunity nvm TS that's my [TS]

01:00:03   favorite and cd40 outside have a great [TS]

01:00:05   team i rinsed the contrary you'll find a [TS]

01:00:08   different station they're all my action [TS]

01:00:10   figures cherry stephen hawkings in my [TS]

01:00:12   library my myspace page all totally [TS]

01:00:13   pimped out got people looking for my [TS]

01:00:15   topic spaces you know why you're [TS]

01:00:16   thousand places still worth breaking my [TS]

01:00:20   sandwich prevent your name with the [TS]

01:00:21   minesweeper day you receive the same [TS]

01:00:24   main central place in place until rabbi [TS]

01:00:27   haven't grown at past yeah well I'm [TS]

01:00:28   number one for calculus just bought from [TS]

01:00:30   got it but I got a soldering gun happy [TS]

01:00:33   things in my favorite things on the [TS]

01:00:34   church but in a game of paint on the [TS]

01:00:36   trivia quiz you bring on the loose and [TS]

01:00:38   JavaScript smell of clean now really [TS]

01:00:42   qualifies it as an organization in many [TS]

01:00:44   ways especially because he himself is [TS]

01:00:46   exceedingly nerdy but he graduated from [TS]

01:00:48   high school valedictorian at age 16 he [TS]

01:00:52   he had an architecture major that he was [TS]

01:00:54   pursuing a caltech Paul at Cal Poly [TS]

01:00:56   university and you know he he got that [TS]

01:00:58   degree was thinking that was the job is [TS]

01:01:00   going to go into but for all of his [TS]

01:01:02   songs that he writes he he talks about [TS]

01:01:04   the incredible homework that he puts [TS]

01:01:05   into them i know people who write funny [TS]

01:01:07   songs and they take 20 minutes and he [TS]

01:01:08   takes you know weeks to put together [TS]

01:01:10   many of the songs with notebooks you [TS]

01:01:11   know he did a YouTube parody that was [TS]

01:01:13   about dentistry and he's researching all [TS]

01:01:15   sorts of dental terms and is no talking [TS]

01:01:17   to Dennis and getting books from the [TS]

01:01:19   library [TS]

01:01:19   he talked though that for white nerdy he [TS]

01:01:22   said that was one song I didn't need to [TS]

01:01:23   do any extra preparation for is the one [TS]

01:01:25   I was preparing for my entire life that [TS]

01:01:27   he's actually a a remarkably [TS]

01:01:31   accomplished musician and and and [TS]

01:01:36   songwriter people who only know him from [TS]

01:01:39   his parodies I mean most of his albums [TS]

01:01:40   have original songs he wrote it he did a [TS]

01:01:43   song that is still very funny but is not [TS]

01:01:47   a specific parody of one thing called [TS]

01:01:49   Velvet Elvis which is one of my [TS]

01:01:50   favorites [TS]

01:01:51   it is a it is every police song ever [TS]

01:01:55   condensed into a single song and calls [TS]

01:01:58   the style parody it's amazing it's just [TS]

01:02:00   amazing and then he also does his polka [TS]

01:02:02   medleys on every album which my daughter [TS]

01:02:05   apparently told me about just the other [TS]

01:02:07   day that she just she discovered and one [TS]

01:02:10   of her teachers played one of them and [TS]

01:02:12   she thought was hilarious because she [TS]

01:02:13   wreck [TS]

01:02:13   nice the modern songs i said oh honey he [TS]

01:02:16   was doing that one when I was your age [TS]

01:02:18   to which he said wow he's really old but [TS]

01:02:21   uh but i love that the Polka medleys are [TS]

01:02:24   in same to the the rolling stones hot [TS]

01:02:27   rocks polka dots is insane it's so you [TS]

01:02:30   know he's more than just just the song [TS]

01:02:33   parodies and his song parodies are are [TS]

01:02:34   artfully done but he's got a lot of [TS]

01:02:37   other very clever very well written [TS]

01:02:40   stuff that he does beyond just so he [TS]

01:02:42   does have musical people accuse him of [TS]

01:02:44   not having any musical invention at all [TS]

01:02:45   and just being a clear assistants not [TS]

01:02:47   trills oh yeah he's also involved in his [TS]

01:02:50   elves are our original songs and you [TS]

01:02:52   know i think it's it's hard times to get [TS]

01:02:54   a sense of you know which upset with [TS]

01:02:57   milk all of his albums are a mix of of [TS]

01:02:59   parodies an original song so half of [TS]

01:03:01   each album had his original music yeah [TS]

01:03:03   it's it's tough sometimes to know what [TS]

01:03:06   do what would an original al song sound [TS]

01:03:08   like because so many of his originals [TS]

01:03:09   are done is these past teaches the style [TS]

01:03:11   parodies but I think if you're out there [TS]

01:03:14   and you want to know what an original [TS]

01:03:16   song sound like I think that skipper [TS]

01:03:18   damn on his most recent album alpaugh [TS]

01:03:21   collapse is a good place to look and [TS]

01:03:23   potentially a song like Frank's 2000 HTV [TS]

01:03:26   off the otherwise you know minimal and [TS]

01:03:29   less subpar effort uh which is called [TS]

01:03:32   it's got a Jurassic Park style cover is [TS]

01:03:35   called alappuzha ah let's see you almost [TS]

01:03:38   lost here I I wasn't worried about you [TS]

01:03:40   before his name was incorporated in [TS]

01:03:42   plans and every one of his albums but I [TS]

01:03:44   i used to play on my high school radio [TS]

01:03:46   station i used to play i'll be mellow [TS]

01:03:48   when i'm dead so which is a which is a [TS]

01:03:51   really really nice one and there's a [TS]

01:03:54   city in the in the central valley on [TS]

01:03:57   Interstate 5 called Kettleman city and [TS]

01:04:00   every time we drive past it my wife and [TS]

01:04:03   I cannot help but make reference to the [TS]

01:04:07   jingle for spatula city from from it uhf [TS]

01:04:11   a fine film starring weird al yankovic [TS]

01:04:13   specialist city we sell spatulas and [TS]

01:04:16   that's all this is this is the thing [TS]

01:04:19   about about where Dallas not only is he [TS]

01:04:21   a again another person could have been a [TS]

01:04:24   mainstream [TS]

01:04:25   talent in mainstream artists and [TS]

01:04:27   probably very successful at it maybe in [TS]

01:04:29   a very different way and he found his [TS]

01:04:31   niche and is the biggest person in that [TS]

01:04:33   niche so that's you know that's [TS]

01:04:34   something remarkable but the other thing [TS]

01:04:36   is I didn't know until he did the [TS]

01:04:38   american american pie i'm calling the [TS]

01:04:41   song the wrong man being our night the [TS]

01:04:43   size of Egyptians saga begins Thank You [TS]

01:04:45   the pair American five pattern on the [TS]

01:04:47   Guardian Perry um I didn't know that he [TS]

01:04:49   was handsome [TS]

01:04:50   no one knew today I'm here to even have [TS]

01:04:52   this hair head shaved or was where we [TS]

01:04:54   gotta know his head so so he's got short [TS]

01:04:57   hair [TS]

01:04:58   he has no crazy mustache and he looks [TS]

01:05:00   serious and then watch the video i'm [TS]

01:05:02   like who is the guy doing weird al like [TS]

01:05:04   oh my God he's a matinee idol like he's [TS]

01:05:07   he's as beautiful as you McGregor and [TS]

01:05:10   you're like I'm maybe I'm exaggerating [TS]

01:05:11   but he's awfully good-looking guy and I [TS]

01:05:13   was like how fascinating that like [TS]

01:05:15   there's the amy sedaris who is a [TS]

01:05:18   beautiful woman and in nearly every [TS]

01:05:20   appearance she makes with exception of [TS]

01:05:22   like elf I think the movie elf she is [TS]

01:05:24   always distorting your face in some way [TS]

01:05:26   to be ugly or her appearance and you [TS]

01:05:28   like God we're now there's a lot of [TS]

01:05:31   psychology there I'm sure but like he's [TS]

01:05:32   a great singer he's a great musician [TS]

01:05:34   he's handsome and he makes himself look [TS]

01:05:37   super goofy and sings perry song is sort [TS]

01:05:39   of fascinating he doesn't really well by [TS]

01:05:42   the way I'm since the Glen mentioned [TS]

01:05:44   that his dad has a has a song pick four [TS]

01:05:46   fountains of wayne out i'll point out my [TS]

01:05:48   my father-in-law loves Amish paradise [TS]

01:05:51   found the iconic which is the only time [TS]

01:05:54   that coolio song will ever be brought up [TS]

01:05:57   on the biggest honorable hit in concert [TS]

01:06:00   that song wasn't his biggest of all time [TS]

01:06:02   was highest you know charting song but [TS]

01:06:04   that song in concerts when he rides out [TS]

01:06:06   when he comes you know it weird al [TS]

01:06:08   concert sort of like shares the parking [TS]

01:06:10   lots of costume changes and set pieces [TS]

01:06:13   and you know he'll run off dancer some [TS]

01:06:14   hot hands although that's part of his [TS]

01:06:16   thing right is it like he's very highly [TS]

01:06:18   produced two I mean that i right [TS]

01:06:20   she was no doubt in that Amish beer [TS]

01:06:21   though the people pictures go crazy [TS]

01:06:23   that's hilarious if there were any [TS]

01:06:24   criticisms i could let me guess we'd [TS]

01:06:26   Allen there are and I could do this only [TS]

01:06:29   because i love him i would say that I [TS]

01:06:31   wish and it's who he is and how it does [TS]

01:06:33   his business i wish you were slightly [TS]

01:06:34   less formulaic I wish he didn't feel for [TS]

01:06:37   example that every kind of his concerts [TS]

01:06:38   or more [TS]

01:06:39   like musical theater than like concerts [TS]

01:06:40   in England you mentioned it much earlier [TS]

01:06:42   in the show that they might be giants [TS]

01:06:44   found were very tight i find that very [TS]

01:06:46   loose it shows which I appreciate know [TS]

01:06:47   they'll improvised they'll go off set [TS]

01:06:49   list and they'll mess around [TS]

01:06:50   oh that's funny i've i've only seen the [TS]

01:06:52   one time because i was actually felt [TS]

01:06:54   like I wasn't getting something [TS]

01:06:55   sufficiently different than a studio [TS]

01:06:57   recording so obviously i saw them in one [TS]

01:06:59   of their tightest most atypical concerts [TS]

01:07:01   and now I must go see them again but so [TS]

01:07:03   Alice fields are scripted even the the [TS]

01:07:05   word he speaks into the microphone are [TS]

01:07:07   scripted you know he's got every moment [TS]

01:07:09   you know his jokes and beets are all [TS]

01:07:12   scripted and I don't like that I don't [TS]

01:07:15   love that every single Allen's got to be [TS]

01:07:16   five parodies five regionals are you [TS]

01:07:18   know for apparently and the poem at like [TS]

01:07:20   you know he experiment with the Polka [TS]

01:07:23   Milian alappuzha where he does the poker [TS]

01:07:25   that's just one song it's just bohemian [TS]

01:07:27   rhapsody with the entire song focused I [TS]

01:07:29   but you know I i wish that he could [TS]

01:07:31   sometimes be a little bit less strict [TS]

01:07:33   with himself and how he does his thing [TS]

01:07:35   but I guess he has a process to work [TS]

01:07:37   some chooses to stick with it so I can [TS]

01:07:39   respect that even though i wish that he [TS]

01:07:40   could sometimes you know flail a little [TS]

01:07:42   bit more [TS]

01:07:43   that is awesome that is awesome and I [TS]

01:07:45   think we find ourselves at the end of [TS]

01:07:48   another beautiful lovely evening of [TS]

01:07:51   podcasting I'm sorry podcast take the [TS]

01:07:53   place in an indeterminate period of time [TS]

01:07:55   not evening or morning [TS]

01:07:57   well so this was fun and we've got you [TS]

01:07:59   know there's so much material with some [TS]

01:08:00   right here so much Jonathan colon cancer [TS]

01:08:04   we need to talk about pdq bach who in [TS]

01:08:07   fact I think may have also been an [TS]

01:08:08   inspiration he will be another another [TS]

01:08:11   Peter sickly who I've seen live and just [TS]

01:08:15   one sadly so far and pdq bach you know [TS]

01:08:18   there's like that's even the or stuff [TS]

01:08:20   but there's a lot more material to talk [TS]

01:08:22   about so perhaps on a future podcast if [TS]

01:08:25   we have popular requests will will come [TS]

01:08:27   back and I think Jonathan Coulton [TS]

01:08:28   deserves his own podcast almost [TS]

01:08:30   certainly because of his current place [TS]

01:08:32   in the pantheon of nerdy musicians in [TS]

01:08:36   the success and because he is so [TS]

01:08:38   stinking awesome [TS]

01:08:39   well yeah the success he's found through [TS]

01:08:40   this thing called the internet the [TS]

01:08:42   Internet in a way that having a memory [TS]

01:08:44   Giants and the weird al three data and [TS]

01:08:46   they both made incredibly good use of [TS]

01:08:47   and I think well maybe the Giants [TS]

01:08:49   particularly but but you know Jonathan [TS]

01:08:51   Coulton too [TS]

01:08:52   and subject altogether 14 other times so [TS]

01:08:54   i would like to thank our panelists this [TS]

01:08:56   week [TS]

01:08:57   thank you Scott for only mocking me [TS]

01:09:00   every other time that's great thank you [TS]

01:09:03   I do it I can't I know I know well next [TS]

01:09:05   time you can install Oh Lex thank you [TS]

01:09:09   for coming aboard [TS]

01:09:10   I will never forgive you for making me [TS]

01:09:12   pick just one they might be giants on I [TS]

01:09:13   know that's you know that's the job of [TS]

01:09:15   the host isn't it [TS]

01:09:16   Jason smell thank you for being here at [TS]

01:09:18   least he let you choose your song gave [TS]

01:09:21   he gave me my third choice to follow one [TS]

01:09:24   rule i'm interested in things yes thank [TS]

01:09:26   you this [TS]

01:09:27   thank you for hosting glad you're [TS]

01:09:29   welcome and thank you for editing me out [TS]

01:09:31   of the host when we let's go haha well [TS]

01:09:33   that's the real where the real work [TS]

01:09:34   happens is in post-production that's [TS]

01:09:37   right you know the passengers are was [TS]

01:09:39   balanced on this it's really the design [TS]

01:09:41   of be yesterday a host the host is the [TS]

01:09:44   ballast on the great Zeppelin that is [TS]

01:09:45   being comfortable podcast is thrown [TS]

01:09:47   overboard so until next time thank you [TS]

01:09:50   dear listener the Spurs listeners for [TS]

01:09:52   turning into the uncomfortable and we'll [TS]

01:09:54   see you again soon [TS]

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01:10:16   vonabell and kill you manage upon about [TS]

01:10:20   popped up and popped up but it opened up [TS]

01:10:22   everything thing pop song bong [TS]

01:10:29   bong-bong-bong bong bong bong Sun i am [TS]

01:10:34   able you know I I don't even know you [TS]

01:10:38   scare me watch that I belong and I we [TS]

01:10:41   want to be scared girlie well in that [TS]

01:10:43   she able to my son sees the two grand on [TS]

01:10:47   one unwind dating guru movable was he [TS]

01:10:52   saying the background data base tone [TS]

01:10:54   denotes a bad age which is a palindrome [TS]