The Incomparable

67: Darth Vader`s Office is Really Weird

 

  imperial probe board and I'm my parents [TS]

  and other side we're gonna remember [TS]

  where r everyone around is that [TS]

  comfortable contest 67 November 2011 me [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  tonight we've got a very special episode [TS]

  its part 1 of approximately 8,000 about [TS]

  the Empire Strikes Back seconds of the [TS]

  classic Star Wars films and i gotta tell [TS]

  you we had dozens if not hundreds of [TS]

  people clamoring to be on this podcast [TS]

  and after a series of strict tests where [TS]

  people have to fill out a sheet of [TS]

  scantron forms with number two pencils [TS]

  and we we graded their essays and [TS]

  various other things happen we were left [TS]

  with three panelists joining me to [TS]

  discuss the second star wars movie of [TS]

  course the two biggest star wars nerds i [TS]

  know are here and they are damned Ouran [TS]

  High Dam [TS]

  hi Jason may the force be thank you and [TS]

  always with you and John siracusa hai [TS]

  jaan i'm ready Jason I I can feel it [TS]

  I know you're ready he was born and [TS]

  writings me a little bit [TS]

  also joining me i don't know would you [TS]

  consider yourself a star wars nerd to [TS]

  serenity called well maybe just a little [TS]

  bit [TS]

  seeing as how empires on my number one [TS]

  of all time movies list so you know well [TS]

  that's what you said on your on your [TS]

  entrance exam and that's why we admitted [TS]

  you to this episode tough competition if [TS]

  she could be turned she would be a great [TS]

  ass powerful ally because all greatness [TS]

  want to do is talk about how Star Wars [TS]

  the original was better and so he was [TS]

  rejected [TS]

  yeah I can't have that no no that's not [TS]

  constructive [TS]

  we're talking countries also is also [TS]

  wrong so you know yes uh so-so Empire [TS]

  Strikes Back 1980 second movie set the [TS]

  first movie made under lots of pressure [TS]

  who knew whether it was going to be a [TS]

  success or a flop obviously was a wild [TS]

  success and so we've got an upgraded [TS]

  budget and the knowledge that this is a [TS]

  cultural phenomenon now that goes into [TS]

  the making of this and another [TS]

  fascinating thing about this movie is [TS]

  that George Lucas the writer and [TS]

  director of the first movie is not [TS]

  credited with either of those tasks here [TS]

  that there is urban Kirchner's the [TS]

  director and although George Lucas Lucas [TS]

  has a story credit because he did [TS]

  fashion the story of Star [TS]

  Morris Leigh Brackett and lawrence [TS]

  kasdan are credited as the screenwriters [TS]

  so step back from George Lucas which i [TS]

  think is probably a a good thing so [TS]

  before that may be why it's the best [TS]

  stock course movies could be could be in [TS]

  hindsight could very well be so my goal [TS]

  i think is too i think i think we'll [TS]

  just walk through the movie [TS]

  chronologically at first because that [TS]

  worked pretty well with Star Wars and [TS]

  some of the other movies that we've done [TS]

  but before I start it is there anything [TS]

  in particular [TS]

  do you have any access to grind anything [TS]

  you'd like to bring up now before we [TS]

  dive in to the beginning of the empire [TS]

  strikes back [TS]

  anyone have some have some opening [TS]

  opening remarks yes over the chair [TS]

  recognizes the senator fight altar I i [TS]

  have a row I've rebuttal iio I did [TS]

  organize my notes according to like I [TS]

  could walk to the movie chronologically [TS]

  but I have some stuff that's at the [TS]

  beginning it's not about a specific part [TS]

  of the movie just kind of like setting [TS]

  the stage chair [TS]

  yeah so the first thing is a quote from [TS]

  that Empire Strikes Back the making of [TS]

  empire strikes back book that will [TS]

  mention that we had and we're in various [TS]

  states of flipping to and reading and it [TS]

  was a quote from i think was an [TS]

  applicable i also have the new hope one [TS]

  I remember was from but it was a second [TS]

  hand corner which was firsthand because [TS]

  will be deliciously ironic just like [TS]

  that lucrative where he talks about the [TS]

  sins of changing past works you see that [TS]

  one being the best around the internet [TS]

  so this is a slightly different one is [TS]

  second-hand books it's somebody I forget [TS]

  who it was who worked for Lucas and who [TS]

  is relaying to someone interviewing him [TS]

  i guess in the in the early eighties [TS]

  maybe right after New Hope saying what [TS]

  George always says about movies as well [TS]

  George I talked to the movies George [TS]

  always says well you know how I'm real [TS]

  estate is location location location [TS]

  where George always tells me and movies [TS]

  that script script script which is a [TS]

  hilarious court coming from the person [TS]

  responsible for some of the worst [TS]

  scripts ever created by man but my [TS]

  opening statement Empire is going to be [TS]

  that if I had to pick the number one [TS]

  reason that this movie is better than [TS]

  all the other Star Wars movies and there [TS]

  are many reasons many very important [TS]

  reasons but i'm going to have to pick [TS]

  one it would be the script and I think [TS]

  that [TS]

  we will see as we talked about this [TS]

  movie that is one thread that runs [TS]

  through the entire thing and the other [TS]

  opening comment that i have is the fact [TS]

  that this is a middle chapter movie [TS]

  winning in the trilogy of star wars were [TS]

  forgetting about those movies that the [TS]

  first movie you know sets the stage in [TS]

  the second movie ends in the middle [TS]

  chapter has advantages and disadvantages [TS]

  now the disadvantages are obvious that [TS]

  it doesn't get to show us like a new [TS]

  stuff like hey there's such a thing as [TS]

  lightsabers in the force and x-wings [TS]

  because the first we got to do that [TS]

  right and it also doesn't get to resolve [TS]

  the conflict as well see if we go to the [TS]

  movie because then why would there ever [TS]

  be another movie so that kind of hurts [TS]

  you as the movie but the advantages are [TS]

  that we already know the characters they [TS]

  already understand the universe and I [TS]

  bet greg was here he would be having a [TS]

  whole debate about why this makes this [TS]

  really works and so on and so forth but [TS]

  i think this sets the stage for what [TS]

  we're about to go into and everything [TS]

  else in this movie that we will talk [TS]

  about kind of hinges on those things [TS]

  that this is a middle chapter movie and [TS]

  the scripture so much better than the [TS]

  other movies and yeah maybe it's because [TS]

  Lucas didn't write it and so on and so [TS]

  forth but those are my opening comments [TS]

  on Empire to add two things one thing [TS]

  that I found fascinating is it maybe I [TS]

  lewd to this on the first Star Wars [TS]

  podcast that i'm a big fan of the the [TS]

  radio drama versions of the at least the [TS]

  star wars empire which both came out [TS]

  fairly close to i think the star wars [TS]

  radio drama came out in 1980 and the [TS]

  Empire one came out like 81 or something [TS]

  and I think what was interesting was i [TS]

  remember reading a little bit of when i [TS]

  first got like the tapes that mantle [TS]

  intro and talked about the fact that [TS]

  despite empires were two in two and a [TS]

  quarter hour movie roughly there's about [TS]

  40 minutes of dialogue in that which [TS]

  always struck me you know as of such a [TS]

  fascinating fact like this is this is a [TS]

  movie that as Jon says you know the [TS]

  script is really important and does a [TS]

  really good job but it's also very [TS]

  economical there's not in that in that [TS]

  struck me watching it again is just how [TS]

  pared down and to the point a lot of it [TS]

  is and when I was sort of joking before [TS]

  we started out here about how i was [TS]

  reading the the earlier drafts that they [TS]

  quote in the making a star wars book and [TS]

  saying there were bad i think a lot of [TS]

  it is because [TS]

  they're they're really heavy and and [TS]

  like you know there's a lot of [TS]

  explication there's a lot of almost [TS]

  everything you know was trimmed down you [TS]

  can see the basic skeleton of it but [TS]

  there's all the superfluous stuff and [TS]

  you realize well that's turns out that's [TS]

  not actually necessary it and in many [TS]

  ways it's a movie that does a whole lot [TS]

  more with a whole lot less have you been [TS]

  reading my notes [TS]

  yes scarily scarily second ya well I [TS]

  tell you I don't tell you and I don't [TS]

  know it's alright i'm just talking off [TS]

  the top of my head [TS]

  alright do so well at that point we'll [TS]

  come back as we get to individual scenes [TS]

  I definitely I think it's interesting [TS]

  that you bring up the radio dramas to [TS]

  because i hadn't listened to them until [TS]

  last year and the star wars radio drama [TS]

  the New Hope radio drama has quite a few [TS]

  added scenes but the Empire drama really [TS]

  doesn't have all that much you know [TS]

  it'sit's longer certainly then the film [TS]

  but in terms of extra extra scenes and [TS]

  extra dialogue there really isn't that [TS]

  much it was like I use pretty closely [TS]

  yeah a couple really nice scenes they do [TS]

  a scene where at where yah where han and [TS]

  luke are in the tent after he's found [TS]

  him on Hoth which is kind of a great [TS]

  scene because it's that it's hot in Luke [TS]

  bickering back and they sort of started [TS]

  out being oh thanks for coming out get [TS]

  me but as the you know the night goes on [TS]

  and where's in today and they're not [TS]

  sure if they're gonna make it they start [TS]

  bickering and its really great banter [TS]

  they do the brian daly who wrote the [TS]

  scripts for all three of those and as [TS]

  well as the sum of the Han Solo novels [TS]

  did a really fantastic job of capturing [TS]

  the tone perfectly it shows their [TS]

  friendship very well the thing about [TS]

  empire that I think makes it for me and [TS]

  especially because it's a middle chapter [TS]

  and you think about middle chapter [TS]

  movies or just mill chapters in general [TS]

  I mean there's a lot of expectation [TS]

  there it's really hard to tell that kind [TS]

  of a story [TS]

  the thing that makes empire so great at [TS]

  least in my book is that it's very [TS]

  cleanly in a certain way setup as three [TS]

  distinct stories throughout the course [TS]

  of the film and they're almost like [TS]

  their little individual short stories [TS]

  built within this greater universe that [TS]

  happened to tie together so it's almost [TS]

  like for a certain extent you could [TS]

  watch just the database section you can [TS]

  watch just the cloud City section it [TS]

  almost feels very closely to the Flash [TS]

  Gordon [TS]

  cereals that you know start horses he's [TS]

  back together being yeah they're [TS]

  vignettes and I but there they are done [TS]

  so nicely whereas New Hope is very much [TS]

  an overarching story and they don't have [TS]

  quite those segments quite as well built [TS]

  i think the way Empire builds those in [TS]

  addition to the dialogue which I agree [TS]

  with both John and Dan and also the the [TS]

  fact with the script is it's not even so [TS]

  much the dialogue it's what's not said [TS]

  and the way the story is built without [TS]

  over explicate is just less is more [TS]

  let's see how we can communicate this [TS]

  without speaking for two pages about how [TS]

  you know how we must find the rebels or [TS]

  anything [TS]

  no it just happens I've seen this movie [TS]

  countless times and in watching begin in [TS]

  preparation for this podcast and taking [TS]

  notes so i actually watched it with my [TS]

  kids know every time you watch movie you [TS]

  notice I ideally you notice something [TS]

  new and maybe it was just the act of [TS]

  knowing we were going to talk about it [TS]

  was the act of taking notes but what I [TS]

  really noticed this time and again we [TS]

  can talk about this as we go through I [TS]

  noticed the dialogue and it's not just [TS]

  because we've seen some George Lucas [TS]

  written movies where the dialogue is [TS]

  terrible i just noticed the the velocity [TS]

  of the dialogue particularly between han [TS]

  and Leia that it's it's kind of [TS]

  breathtaking in the speed of some of [TS]

  their encounters and I think actually [TS]

  kind of bold that they they talk so fast [TS]

  that it's kind of hard to understand [TS]

  everything but they're saying because it [TS]

  happens its parts so mad and it is [TS]

  almost walking in space yeah it's almost [TS]

  like screwball forties kinda well kind [TS]

  of your mind your mind at all my bracket [TS]

  bracket wrote nor in the 40 I mean she [TS]

  wrote the I think uncredited she worked [TS]

  on the screenplay for the big sleep so [TS]

  you know chichi was a veteran of that I [TS]

  don't know how much that carries over [TS]

  from the stuff that she does because I'm [TS]

  sure jonel will note that she you know a [TS]

  lot of her early draft stuff was sort of [TS]

  overwritten I i do by the fact that [TS]

  despite that she was Mason mostly [TS]

  overwritten that her spirit sort of like [TS]

  the boot [TS]

  I i get the impression i'm not a movie [TS]

  script writer but I get the impression [TS]

  is if you're called in to basically [TS]

  override re write a script by a famous [TS]

  screenwriter that you [TS]

  Meyer who is known for particular genre [TS]

  you're gonna in the back of your mind [TS]

  have respect for where they're coming [TS]

  from you know what i mean and you're not [TS]

  going to rewrite it to be something [TS]

  totally different adjusting your own [TS]

  style right so even though if it i doubt [TS]

  many words ideas reason phrases from [TS]

  bracket Scripture are still in there i [TS]

  think the spirit is still in the script [TS]

  yeah yeah definitely anyway it it does [TS]

  sparkle so I guess we should start now [TS]

  that the opening remarks portion of the [TS]

  program complete with with the the [TS]

  planet hoth which to start out i think i [TS]

  can take a shot here which is just that [TS]

  you we we have reached the latest in a [TS]

  ongoing series of single climate planets [TS]

  alliance with all one ecosystem yeah but [TS]

  uh but i love the contrast here where we [TS]

  where we start so much of Star Wars [TS]

  beginning is about Tatooine that you [TS]

  know desert planet with two sons and the [TS]

  waist desert waste lands and here we [TS]

  have the the polar opposite it is [TS]

  freezing and icy and miserable in a [TS]

  completely different way which is uh it [TS]

  just always struck me as being such a [TS]

  such a strange way to start it because [TS]

  it really does send the message like [TS]

  this is not a place you saw in that [TS]

  movie right because so many people going [TS]

  into this move the expectations of [TS]

  having seen that first movie a million [TS]

  times like going back to the theater and [TS]

  seeing it again and again and again and [TS]

  the first thing you see in this movie [TS]

  you know when you get to Hoth is it menu [TS]

  you see the probe come down all that but [TS]

  it's just it's like nothing that was in [TS]

  the previous movie and it really does a [TS]

  great job I think of setting your [TS]

  resetting your expectations saying that [TS]

  you think you know this story but you [TS]

  don't but one of the things that's [TS]

  fascinating is that the the opening shot [TS]

  is in some ways very much animals to the [TS]

  first movie which is it also opens with [TS]

  a Star Destroyer is right we get that [TS]

  same sort of you know pan and then we're [TS]

  very quickly taken away to Hoth which I [TS]

  agree you know there is a stark contrast [TS]

  and I think there's something about this [TS]

  when I was a kid I think maybe it was [TS]

  just that that you know I think I said [TS]

  the service podcast again that you know [TS]

  when I was a kid like my cousin's we [TS]

  come visit and we we rent a Star Wars [TS]

  movie [TS]

  and I feel for whatever reason that's [TS]

  that Empire was the one that we saw the [TS]

  least and in some ways that made it the [TS]

  most special and there was something [TS]

  about that like that unusualness to it [TS]

  that that is always made it one of my [TS]

  favorites even though I've seen it you [TS]

  know I'm teen million times now [TS]

  something about that holds with me i [TS]

  think it is that idea of like you know [TS]

  it's so different you know the both the [TS]

  in Return of the Jedi in Star Wars we [TS]

  will spend a lot of time on Tatooine [TS]

  right miss desert in hot climates and [TS]

  then we've got you know and/or and what [TS]

  have you invented but this is cold it's [TS]

  very different everybody's wearing [TS]

  different clothes right because they're [TS]

  all bundled up there is a whole [TS]

  different environment they're really [TS]

  being put upon by this by this world [TS]

  it's a very hostile world really write [TS]

  in a different way from Tatooine a lot [TS]

  of this star wars movies for these [TS]

  people closer to Jason and my age and I [TS]

  can't stand to like we saw these movies [TS]

  where a particular age and if we could [TS]

  see them when we were a bit older and [TS]

  more jaded and cynical having the sequel [TS]

  open ice planet after movie where you [TS]

  opened on a desert planet would be like [TS]

  this that mean the same way Jason [TS]

  introduced it all you know well single [TS]

  climate plants are in videogame parlance [TS]

  like this the ice world that the lava [TS]

  world you know the forest world or the [TS]

  forest level it's it's a cliche and it's [TS]

  not that interesting but if you see this [TS]

  movie when you're you know 10 years old [TS]

  there are or 11 years old after coming [TS]

  off of star wars that that move that [TS]

  pretty mundane and now extremely you [TS]

  know play it out move like what we do [TS]

  the desert planet let's do the ice [TS]

  planet comes out of nowhere to hit you [TS]

  and like you you're not expecting up so [TS]

  you're not educated enough to not jaded [TS]

  enough to see it as a cliché you don't [TS]

  you and the fact that they opened on the [TS]

  starter story like alright Star Wars if [TS]

  you would ask the kid in a year old [TS]

  version of me like how do you think the [TS]

  next door is going to open well I better [TS]

  be in space and the x-wing looks gonna [TS]

  be flying around so they open space like [TS]

  he was going to get moving like ice [TS]

  planet and just from that point on you [TS]

  you are knocked off balance has a small [TS]

  kid now maybe as an adult you get it [TS]

  doesn't work but like all I can't see [TS]

  this movie not as seeing it as a kid and [TS]

  to me it's one of the more brilliant [TS]

  sequel openings it's not it's not [TS]

  hammering over the head because I can [TS]

  imagine like iron man 3 opens and you [TS]

  think our man it's cool [TS]

  and everything but he's really imagine i [TS]

  came out of nowhere you know with is not [TS]

  that it would be loosely but like yeah [TS]

  so it just works and I i have a very [TS]

  difficult time being objective about [TS]

  this movie because I know how well it [TS]

  worked on me as a kid and to this day [TS]

  like I tried to look critically and I [TS]

  said they just did that they went out [TS]

  and doing the ice planet or whatever and [TS]

  I shot the grass and no they it works [TS]

  it's not too heavy handed [TS]

  it's a cliché a bit now but in in [TS]

  context it worked and it still does it [TS]

  puts the rebellion [TS]

  I think we in our star wars podcast we [TS]

  talked about in fact this title of the [TS]

  second episode is Death Star university [TS]

  about how they they get the you know [TS]

  that they they they take the plans back [TS]

  and suddenly they're on this forest moon [TS]

  and they're all these buildings with [TS]

  pillars and it's like there's a college [TS]

  campus and they're learning about the [TS]

  death star and it's it always struck me [TS]

  as being weird [TS]

  ed Empire I think resets the the rebel [TS]

  alliance in a much better way which is [TS]

  to say they're on the run [TS]

  I mean the opening the opening crawl [TS]

  does this to their on the run they've [TS]

  split up into different groups this [TS]

  group including our friends from the [TS]

  last movie is on this miserable ice ball [TS]

  in these kind of dugout you know this [TS]

  dugout structure that that is [TS]

  claustrophobic and they're under assault [TS]

  and the rip the Empire's really mad now [TS]

  because they blew up the Death Star and [TS]

  is looking for them and I think I think [TS]

  there's that too that it's really [TS]

  effective in saying you know these are [TS]

  rebels they are up against a huge flow [TS]

  they are not like laying back at Death [TS]

  Star university having a good time [TS]

  they're on the run and in fact as the [TS]

  movie progresses this base that we see [TS]

  they're basically like what we gotta go [TS]

  because they don't write and and they've [TS]

  just finished setting out unless they [TS]

  gotta go so I like that what it says [TS]

  about the rebellion just saying that the [TS]

  it is it is not a comfortable life that [TS]

  these guys are they are in a civil war [TS]

  yeah they're they're on their back foot [TS]

  and I think this is you know this whole [TS]

  we talk about being the middle it's the [TS]

  second act right and the job with the [TS]

  writer in the second act is you know I [TS]

  just heard someone say this time it [TS]

  slipped my mind here but you put the the [TS]

  characters in the worst position they [TS]

  could possibly be in right now [TS]

  we have from the get-go that's how we [TS]

  start we start with the rebellion in [TS]

  trouble on the run [TS]

  you know and the thing that you know to [TS]

  take that a step further [TS]

  we've got our hero right Luke Skywalker [TS]

  out yeah I blew up the Death Star he's [TS]

  going to be a Jedi's he's probably [TS]

  pretty badass by now what's the first [TS]

  thing that happens to him he gets crap [TS]

  kicked out from bio wapo right like you [TS]

  know it's only downhill from there [TS]

  and so I think that it definitely resets [TS]

  all of our expectations when you have [TS]

  these certain like well I we're gonna be [TS]

  riding high after blowing up the Death [TS]

  Star and everything right no turns out [TS]

  if things got a lot worse and so I I [TS]

  think that definitely sets the tone for [TS]

  the entire movie and and the fact that [TS]

  this is all just prelude to the that [TS]

  inevitable climax and there are riding [TS]

  on animals which is like low-tech yeah [TS]

  he was writing a text when i was writing [TS]

  an ugly and none of their stuff works [TS]

  the Millennium Falcon doesn't work they [TS]

  can't get the speeders to work like not [TS]

  doing well so my first note here is [TS]

  actually literally the first thing I [TS]

  wrote down is on such a girl [TS]

  all he wants is a hint from Leia that [TS]

  she likes him but but it is charming it [TS]

  is so incredibly charming when we meet [TS]

  Han Solo he he's bantering with leia but [TS]

  it's so clear especially as an adult [TS]

  looking at it but it's so clear that [TS]

  that you know he he loves her and he's [TS]

  trying to get her to do anything to [TS]

  crack her tough exterior to admit [TS]

  anything it really it's like give me a [TS]

  reason to stay in a way that I never as [TS]

  a kid never really read it this way but [TS]

  you give me a reason to stay your [TS]

  worshipfulness and she won't do it [TS]

  well your highness just this is [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  we'll get all mushy on me so long [TS]

  princess [TS]

  yes your business I thought you had [TS]

  decided to stay [TS]

  well the body hundred we ran into a [TS]

  Norman Delta from ipod we need you we [TS]

  need yes what about you [TS]

  I'm I don't know what you're talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  probably do precisely am I supposed to [TS]

  come I wanted to stay because of the way [TS]

  you feel about your right how was your [TS]

  natural leader [TS]

  no that's not it [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  come on imagining things [TS]

  mi then why are you following me right [TS]

  now is gonna leave without giving you a [TS]

  goodbye kiss kiss into some lucky i can [TS]

  arrange that could use a good care of it [TS]

  was also interesting and apropos what we [TS]

  were just saying about how it's you know [TS]

  we in the first movie in such a [TS]

  wonderful condition and we start in such [TS]

  a miserable one is that you know Hans [TS]

  out the door at the beginning of this [TS]

  movie he's he's saying goodbye he's [TS]

  getting out the bounty hunters are after [TS]

  him he's taken off and that's also [TS]

  really interesting to think about that [TS]

  where we start [TS]

  han is back to sort of where he was [TS]

  before he decided to go save Luke which [TS]

  is I gotta get out of out of this place [TS]

  you know you rebels are great and all [TS]

  but I'm out of here and then the only [TS]

  thing that'll make him stay is either [TS]

  his friendship with Luke which is what [TS]

  ends up doing it or if the princess will [TS]

  give him any sign and she won't which i [TS]

  think is great i have to give a minor a [TS]

  minor nitpick and this is one of the [TS]

  things that you know it's bugged me [TS]

  somewhat in in the past viewings and [TS]

  this one is just I I wish I didn't feel [TS]

  so bad about it but that seemed that he [TS]

  has with the with general right in when [TS]

  he first comes back [TS]

  there's there's something so weird about [TS]

  the pacing of that he's like yeah please [TS]

  tell you things but i gotta go like this [TS]

  and we talked about you know the how [TS]

  fascinating i like is it comes out of [TS]

  nowhere that is a really weird [TS]

  transition bored sometimes phones in a [TS]

  scene yet that was a little strange in [TS]

  all those movies and every once in [TS]

  awhile to be fair my favorite one of my [TS]

  favorite lines from this movie which is [TS]

  a terrible line is death marks not an [TS]

  easy thing to live with like all da [TS]

  happy every time I hear that now my call [TS]

  we could have we could have but a death [TS]

  mark easy to live with no because it's a [TS]

  death mark they're gonna kill you yeah i [TS]

  don't know i didn't sound very [TS]

  frustrating right trying to justify that [TS]

  was like well that's ok solo you're you [TS]

  know you're not a miserable traitor and [TS]

  coward your you got a death mark alright [TS]

  I I i feel ya [TS]

  I get where you're coming from there [TS]

  you know he's trying and failing and [TS]

  there's this little I mean you know also [TS]

  that that's fine sit to mind he's out [TS]

  the door I mean what a thing no no and [TS]

  that's great first time we see our [TS]

  friends after three years rite aid the [TS]

  way this movie was initially released [TS]

  him it is i think in-store dollars a [TS]

  year since storyline to yes which I love [TS]

  that they hinted that too is that one [TS]

  he's got a throwaway line you know with [TS]

  layout that bounty hunter and Ord [TS]

  Mantell changed my change my mind you [TS]

  know and I and I i love that vary [TS]

  because it hints at all these other all [TS]

  they're all these various in between we [TS]

  don't know about but he's out but the [TS]

  fact that he's out the door that he's [TS]

  like I'm taking off [TS]

  it's so shocking it's like go but our [TS]

  friends were we just we just started the [TS]

  movie you go that's a good economy of [TS]

  plot points to because it's so I think [TS]

  in this one move where he says he has to [TS]

  leave they get to start establishing the [TS]

  the handle a relationship right they get [TS]

  to briefly established that he was a [TS]

  valued member of the rebellion after [TS]

  this kind of deciding to turn back at [TS]

  the end of a new hope and they get to [TS]

  reestablish that he's being chased by [TS]

  bounty hunters will become significantly [TS]

  later in the movie and all that in I [TS]

  mean it's like you know two seconds [TS]

  worth of the on screen footage this is [TS]

  necessary entire movie yes it did it [TS]

  they don't have to have a separate point [TS]

  they don't have a separate sheen scene [TS]

  where he's being chased by a bounty [TS]

  hunter they don't have a separate scene [TS]

  where he's talking with the general [TS]

  about why you should stay they don't [TS]

  have to have a separate seen talking [TS]

  with Princess layout about you know i [TS]

  mean it's it's economical as we say but [TS]

  again i just love I thought I think it's [TS]

  just absolutely adorable that that mrs. [TS]

  how r i read up on watching it now which [TS]

  is just he he so wants to get a reason [TS]

  to stay and and played just for whatever [TS]

  reason she still want to give it to [TS]

  think back to his line in the New Hope [TS]

  with like I said this is like defining [TS]

  characteristic like we talked about the [TS]

  scene and help hon is like you know I [TS]

  got your ship for you and you know man [TS]

  and blah blah blah soon as they leave [TS]

  the table turn students at these guys [TS]

  must really be desperate yeah he's like [TS]

  the sensitive is the sensitive you know [TS]

  nice guy he showed what you're seeing [TS]

  here is the this guys must really be [TS]

  desperate guy going to this girl do so [TS]

  i'm going to go and you said about that [TS]

  hunter hot has his walls just as much as [TS]

  Leia does they're just formed different [TS]

  ways and I feel like we approach [TS]

  the movie so much from Leia and Luke's [TS]

  perspective and the third party audience [TS]

  perspective that you don't really get to [TS]

  see what he's thinking and you only you [TS]

  only get it actually when you see that [TS]

  the lot like you don't notice that the [TS]

  walls come back down until it snaps back [TS]

  up was like well don't get all mushy on [TS]

  me princess you know about that was it [TS]

  that was your opening and that's your [TS]

  cue that's like oh wait no he was being [TS]

  sincere their holy yeah yeah well I mean [TS]

  I i love that again you know like like [TS]

  just saying he sort of stocks off you [TS]

  know kind of like hoping this will come [TS]

  after him right you know goes up goes [TS]

  off to find chewy I we're getting out of [TS]

  here [TS]

  you know i say i really love Carrie [TS]

  Fisher when she's being shrill and [TS]

  yelling at him for some reason I just [TS]

  like she I don't know if she's a great [TS]

  actress I haven't really seen her may [TS]

  have seen when harry met seven star wars [TS]

  probably yeah that's about but when [TS]

  she's chasing after him down the hall [TS]

  and said yes your great pilot what like [TS]

  oh that's such a great shame she sells [TS]

  these lines it it's great dialogue and [TS]

  she sells it your view be an asset to [TS]

  the rebellion your later on my favorite [TS]

  my favorite line from her in this entire [TS]

  movie is I am NOT a committee to [TS]

  somebody that she delivers that is such [TS]

  a it's such as it seems so plausible [TS]

  just so well in this movie and it could [TS]

  just be it could just be that she's just [TS]

  carry Fisher and the fact that maybe [TS]

  she's not a good actress all she's being [TS]

  like a refresher but it is the only [TS]

  thing you seem character she's just so [TS]

  natural [TS]

  it doesn't come off as someone acting it [TS]

  doesn't come office as being trill or [TS]

  annoying it comes off as annoyed flat [TS]

  like you can read on the subject of [TS]

  everything she's saying like the fact [TS]

  that she really doesn't want to say but [TS]

  she's also being loud and I'm i just [TS]

  love it [TS]

  he's flustered as an advantage to the [TS]

  fact that this is the sequel to a movie [TS]

  everybody knew and as a result it's a it [TS]

  you know it is a movie written for them [TS]

  i mean that that that's a huge advantage [TS]

  that it is written for the actors these [TS]

  characters have been thought of and kind [TS]

  of turned over and everybody's head for [TS]

  years and the wedding [TS]

  what a great advantage that it that is [TS]

  to say I see what she did in Star Wars [TS]

  and that we can play to her strength [TS]

  although it's not where she was so all [TS]

  over the map where she had the face and [TS]

  you have the system slipping through [TS]

  your fingers and then like they decided [TS]

  to lay there like from New Hope is the [TS]

  walking in the hallway will someone get [TS]

  this walking carpet out right before [TS]

  they dive into the trash compactor that [TS]

  that's the way that's going to come in [TS]

  the Empire is to get this one that was [TS]

  the right decision [TS]

  ask the other ones were boring [TS]

  incredible in distress this stupid [TS]

  diplomat lady they want to Senator yeah [TS]

  right exactly she's much better as as [TS]

  this rebel leader you know whatever it [TS]

  is weird right because she doesn't [TS]

  exactly have this is this you can never [TS]

  quite sure the hierarchy of of half base [TS]

  right like you got this general who's in [TS]

  charge but she's kind of like revving up [TS]

  the troops or she's sitting in like one [TS]

  of those like communications chairs or [TS]

  she's running it like its into it's [TS]

  unclear in some ways but it's something [TS]

  that same time you don't really care [TS]

  yeah I like it that was one of the [TS]

  things that occurred to me as I was [TS]

  thinking about this time like what is [TS]

  your job was figured that she was gonna [TS]

  lay was like the she's she's kind of [TS]

  rebel royalty I always figured it's like [TS]

  she's really important in the overall [TS]

  rebellion but they're militarily there's [TS]

  a you know military leader of the [TS]

  installation so she's you know she's not [TS]

  the military leader but she's part of [TS]

  the leadership group but she's sort of [TS]

  like not quite the figure out either but [TS]

  she's like the head the community here [TS]

  so she's not exactly what we're gonna do [TS]

  is not ready but you see later that she [TS]

  feels a responsibility for these people [TS]

  despite her spin your head status and [TS]

  not really a military person she's the [TS]

  one staying there at the end to make [TS]

  sure everybody gets out she's the last [TS]

  one to leave and you don't you a [TS]

  figurehead wouldn't do that let's do [TS]

  that you know she's not being protected [TS]

  like the president will be whisked out [TS]

  of that we have to get you on the first [TS]

  shuttle know she's on the Left didn't [TS]

  get the last shot you because she [TS]

  personally feels responsibility for [TS]

  these people she's gonna go down with [TS]

  the ship essentially she's she's [TS]

  sticking around till the end you have to [TS]

  remember what happened to her in the [TS]

  first movie though too i mean she [TS]

  witnessed her entire planet get blown up [TS]

  and it was basically her fault so I feel [TS]

  like even though you may not have a [TS]

  military prowess and you may be you know [TS]

  19 and still little a little you know a [TS]

  little flippant and and things like that [TS]

  but that takes a certain weight onto [TS]

  your shoulders and you do whatever you [TS]

  can and of course you're going to fight [TS]

  for the people that are still here [TS]

  because you've lost so many people and [TS]

  at that point you know it's grab grab [TS]

  what you can and move forward so Luke's [TS]

  out there riding around and one of the [TS]

  things we see with Lucas that he he [TS]

  spots the the probe droid crashing and [TS]

  decides to go check it out and he's he's [TS]

  whacked by a wampa and and dragged back [TS]

  to the [TS]

  purpose cave when he's hanging upside [TS]

  down and that lightsaber is a waiver and [TS]

  that's the first point where we are [TS]

  confronted with alright and the last [TS]

  movie wanted to look do with the forest [TS]

  he heard the voice you didn't use the [TS]

  computer he made the shot but he had [TS]

  said he'd made that shot without the [TS]

  forest before so what's the whole deal [TS]

  with this for us we had talked about [TS]

  maybe you can you can fight stuff with [TS]

  your eyes closed and fight the little [TS]

  probe droid and makes you disappear when [TS]

  you get sliced but what the hell is this [TS]

  whole forest thing about so he's hanging [TS]

  upside down he's in peril the monsters [TS]

  coming his lightsaber is sitting 20 feet [TS]

  away from sitting in baking soda [TS]

  impossible situation right there's no [TS]

  way out how to see how does he get the [TS]

  lightsabre and what each one is are here [TS]

  too he closed his eyes you're like he's [TS]

  getting the music plays like he's gonna [TS]

  use that force thing and uh and the [TS]

  thing starts to move out and you're like [TS]

  moving things with your mind now [TS]

  depending how old you are if you've [TS]

  never read anything about telekinesis or [TS]

  any other type of thing like that or [TS]

  whatever like let you know we had a [TS]

  lightsaber like he got that in the first [TS]

  we should use that lightsabers are [TS]

  awesome but it's on the ground how is he [TS]

  gonna get it and it goes into his hand [TS]

  and that's another little window opening [TS]

  your little ten-year-old mine going [TS]

  he made the lightsaber go into his hand [TS]

  by thinking about it and then cut the [TS]

  guy in like you just like albicans your [TS]

  guys are also from a technical [TS]

  perspective i love that shot that is one [TS]

  of my favorite shots in this movie I was [TS]

  thinking about as i was watching again [TS]

  where the lightsaber starts to like [TS]

  jiggle slightly right and then we do [TS]

  this sort of like sort of up to zoom [TS]

  into the lightsaber it's subtle but it [TS]

  looks it just looks so good to give me [TS]

  chills every time I see that and then [TS]

  you see a rat a little more and a little [TS]

  more well that's that that's the moment [TS]

  where the filmmakers anticipate that [TS]

  you're going 200 before it works great [TS]

  to it it nails it nails it [TS]

  well it captures the right you know they [TS]

  could have they could have replaced that [TS]

  moment with CGI if they wanted to but [TS]

  that is something that works so well as [TS]

  a practical shot where it's that the [TS]

  uncertain jiggle where you know the [TS]

  puppeteers that are moving everything in [TS]

  the background it's just it captures it [TS]

  captures the moment that yeah them and [TS]

  the camera movement to is what really [TS]

  what gets me is there's a there's a [TS]

  great little like zoom dolly and so what [TS]

  and what happens after that to establish [TS]

  where Luke is sort of a hierarchy of [TS]

  figuring stuff out what is he doing he [TS]

  chops the arm off the thing as echo the [TS]

  first movie and then scrambles the heck [TS]

  out of there into the snow because he [TS]

  doesn't know what the heck [TS]

  doing like why wouldn't have just stayed [TS]

  in the cave he's panicking he's not he's [TS]

  not a great one he doesn't he hasn't [TS]

  killed it either right you know right [TS]

  just like online is what what he's [TS]

  pulled off here is is a narrow escape [TS]

  that he happened to you some things or [TS]

  he's not something I can kill everybody [TS]

  was on enjoyed know he's terrified is [TS]

  hanging upside down he's injured he [TS]

  wants to get out of there he does grabs [TS]

  the thing and you know it just gets out [TS]

  so you're establishing the Luke is not [TS]

  the all conquering hero but there's [TS]

  something they're going on with this is [TS]

  anybody else amazed as I constantly am [TS]

  in this movie that he doesn't get [TS]

  himself down by cutting his legs off [TS]

  because every time i would really well I [TS]

  try to figure out what happens is a [TS]

  melting the ice with the lightsaber is [TS]

  easy in a circle [TS]

  I believe we're just kind of like a is [TS]

  making a big blue flash of light and [TS]

  then ok yeah it looks like he just [TS]

  swiped it I'm like oh my god you're [TS]

  gonna cut your legs off with some [TS]

  terrorist very Christmas Story [TS]

  merry christmas story and then so now [TS]

  he's out in the snow and i have a quick [TS]

  point of monies out and this is when he [TS]

  has his vision of of of bed right so we [TS]

  talked about this before and this is my [TS]

  first note on this I the purpose of the [TS]

  scenes to re-establish that that uh Ben [TS]

  Kenobi we knew from the first movie [TS]

  still around and they can still [TS]

  communicate with Luke and now you have [TS]

  to do with little shaky dream visions [TS]

  over everything else [TS]

  the fact that happens when he's [TS]

  delirious in the snow and like out of [TS]

  his mind about the freeze to death you [TS]

  could think that like it's a loosening [TS]

  or whatever actresses banking me that [TS]

  this is to establish that is going to go [TS]

  see Yoda was going to Train blah blah [TS]

  this scene [TS]

  obi-wan kenobi speaks 19 words [TS]

  then [TS]

  you will go to the Dagobah system system [TS]

  there you will learn from Yoda the Jedi [TS]

  Master who instructed me [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  and 19 work if this scene was in a [TS]

  modern movie they would be this big [TS]

  rambling scene with the ghost of Ben and [TS]

  dream sequence and talking to Luke and [TS]

  having conversation 19 word I was [TS]

  thinking it would be like it would be [TS]

  like when mr. Spock meets Captain Kirk [TS]

  movie where there'd be a flashback into [TS]

  well there's a black hole and then they [TS]

  chased me through and I wouldn't figure [TS]

  it was the southern air and now you [TS]

  gotta go to digg about ok 19 words he [TS]

  says he introduces your assistant you [TS]

  gotta go to this place you're gonna [TS]

  learn from Yoda instructed me I'm out [TS]

  and then hon and that hon comes riding [TS]

  through his hit the image of are used to [TS]

  be with me out dude does anyone ever [TS]

  wonder why he picked that moment he [TS]

  could he could told them at any time [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's just like I now is a good time well [TS]

  that's what makes you think it's like a [TS]

  hallucination because he's delirious and [TS]

  you see hon come riding through the [TS]

  thing you like did he imagine that is [TS]

  he's like imagining and that will become [TS]

  important later when he lands on Dagobah [TS]

  was like what the hell am I doing here [TS]

  is just yeah was that a dream here [TS]

  because i was half have dead yeah the [TS]

  thing that I find about it is I just [TS]

  assumed that you know we know that [TS]

  stuffs been going on from the end of New [TS]

  Hope onward is that you just assume that [TS]

  Luke just hasn't had all that much time [TS]

  to really think about using the force or [TS]

  using training or doing anything like [TS]

  that we don't really get the impression [TS]

  that he's become all this more powerful [TS]

  except for the fact that he's able to [TS]

  pull the lightsaber out with his mind [TS]

  and the way I sort of look at it is he's [TS]

  partially delirious but I think he's [TS]

  partially opened up his mind to a [TS]

  certain and where where it's formerly [TS]

  been closed because I've been worried [TS]

  about you know getting the rebellion [TS]

  place and stuff like that but finally I [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  so the panic of the wampa seen about to [TS]

  be eaten by a wampa that's when you're [TS]

  going to learn how to figure out how to [TS]

  get out of the snow you know you're [TS]

  always really close to death and nobody [TS]

  was already dead so he's easy seeing the [TS]

  other side either way his mind is [TS]

  opening up to a point where Ben can [TS]

  reach him were formerly you know that [TS]

  made not possible i mean really if [TS]

  you're is ben just gonna magically [TS]

  appear inside the hoff base and be like [TS]

  hey Luke long time no see by the way how [TS]

  about that Digable system leave him a [TS]

  message he said nothing and you could [TS]

  have done that if you want if you are [TS]

  worse scriptwriter and have like that [TS]

  thinks you're up and have them walk down [TS]

  a hallway saying the Senate building and [TS]

  say you know you should go to Vegas is [TS]

  no speaking by the way small green as [TS]

  pointy ears so if you see some dude that [TS]

  it's actually him out so so i think you [TS]

  should go there [TS]

  yeah you want a sandwich i'm having a [TS]

  sandwich that would be bad writing I I [TS]

  do appreciate the economy of it and it's [TS]

  good to re-establish that he's giving [TS]

  giving messages from ben i am not a big [TS]

  fan of the I've had a vision who tells [TS]

  me where to go next in the plot kind of [TS]

  thing but it's also a question of like [TS]

  how do you move that forward [TS]

  you've got to have some sort of element [TS]

  that says you know I'm gonna throw this [TS]

  into gear so he meets Yoda so having it [TS]

  is the most economical way to do it even [TS]

  though part of me looks at that was like [TS]

  oh sure we'll just have a guy appear and [TS]

  say go over there but they do it in a [TS]

  way that you could doubt him know you [TS]

  don't like did he see that are just [TS]

  imagining his old friends and disease [TS]

  bacteria especially since the especially [TS]

  since hon comes riding in through with [TS]

  the hole where the hallucination used to [TS]

  be and i like that shot too [TS]

  that's great so so let's talk about on a [TS]

  little bit here because I'm and this [TS]

  will involve a little bit of [TS]

  backtracking you know that the the [TS]

  bureaucrats in the rebellion the guys at [TS]

  the at the gate and all that are sort of [TS]

  like well first off there's the guy was [TS]

  like well I don't think he can be other [TS]

  games like why don't you check on that [TS]

  which I which I really like where Han is [TS]

  really taking control of the situation [TS]

  but but they're like you know well he's [TS]

  out there and he's gonna die and we get [TS]

  the droids we got the first odd [TS]

  quotation of the of the movie where they [TS]

  quote the odds of him surviving and all [TS]

  of that and it is haunts loyalty that [TS]

  saves Luke here hon goes out and says [TS]

  I'll see you in hell and goes out on [TS]

  Tonto phrase for you hit the first [TS]

  marker I i love that little guy i love [TS]

  that little interchange he has with the [TS]

  droids to write because there is so much [TS]

  in that of this character that we've [TS]

  come to know and love where you know [TS]

  threepio's like you know might I inquire [TS]

  what's going on and hard like one up [TS]

  might I have a word with you please we [TS]

  work well it's princess Lisa she's been [TS]

  trying to get you on the community turn [TS]

  it off [TS]

  I don't want to talk to her and well [TS]

  Princess Leia is wondering about master [TS]

  you have [TS]

  Beckett she doesn't know where he is I [TS]

  don't know where you nobody knows what [TS]

  he is seeing nobody knows [TS]

  well you said Officer deck officer [TS]

  excuse me sometime after your community [TS]

  Skywalker's I haven't seen him [TS]

  it's possible he came in through the [TS]

  south entrance it's possible why don't [TS]

  you go find out it's getting dark down [TS]

  there [TS]

  yes sir excuse me something like what's [TS]

  going on [TS]

  no impossible man come on now to a good [TS]

  time consisted of between ourselves I [TS]

  think master Luke is in considerable [TS]

  thank you know there are you know [TS]

  there's this kind of interesting [TS]

  interchange with the droids who you know [TS]

  are comic relief and this is sort of [TS]

  their first time coming in we realized [TS]

  that they you know melted down half the [TS]

  cave or something by accident closed and [TS]

  meanwhile Hans trying to like you know I [TS]

  you know I always wonder about you in [TS]

  this case could be they make Julie and [TS]

  museums look a little bit like inept but [TS]

  I always kind of wondered if he wasn't [TS]

  doing it on purpose because he knows how [TS]

  you know how he feels about way I was [TS]

  trying to sort of stall to keep them [TS]

  from having to leave everyone why did [TS]

  you take this apart now we're trying to [TS]

  leave town because he's like taking [TS]

  apart the yeah why you take this apart [TS]

  now anybody can watch her yeah and that [TS]

  may also because chewy chewy is one of [TS]

  my favorite characters but I i really [TS]

  enjoyed that little interchange and i [TS]

  agree with Jason and that is actually [TS]

  one of the places where i even i even [TS]

  more i love the expansion of that scene [TS]

  in the radio drama since they I think it [TS]

  builds a little better but is it does [TS]

  still culminate that great i'll see you [TS]

  in Hell like one of our few swears the [TS]

  droids do get to show concern here too [TS]

  now that you know further establishing [TS]

  that are not just like this no solace at [TS]

  all right that they're worried r2 and [TS]

  particularly worried about him and so [TS]

  c-3po because they become friends to the [TS]

  first movie is that they're gonna have [TS]

  to be a unit for the rest of this movie [TS]

  and we have to leave they care of each [TS]

  other they don't just happen to have [TS]

  these droids long arrived with them like [TS]

  like appliances the personal [TS]

  relationships too i mean you get the [TS]

  sense with the bureaucrats at all about [TS]

  that that the a lot of these people [TS]

  there who are friends right there [TS]

  therefore the rebellion and all of that [TS]

  but they're not they're not focused on [TS]

  any individual right even though this is [TS]

  the kid who blew up the Death Star you [TS]

  know they're focused on the bigger [TS]

  picture and it takes the droids and it [TS]

  takes hard to say no no it he this guide [TS]

  matters and he [TS]

  some even then he doesn't mobilize a [TS]

  strike force to go get him something he [TS]

  just hops on a tauntaun and goes out [TS]

  into the dark which is you know that's [TS]

  it is it is his loyalty that saves luke [TS]

  and I I you know it's interesting that [TS]

  at the end even though we've got this [TS]

  big rebellion here it's gonna be the [TS]

  characters who care about each other who [TS]

  are gonna we're gonna matter right and [TS]

  you know just begin to the economy how [TS]

  many teams do mark hamill and Harrison [TS]

  Ford actually get together this movie [TS]

  like two other separated from separated [TS]

  for most of the moving their separate [TS]

  for the vast majority of the movie which [TS]

  I always thought was fascinating was [TS]

  that we have so much of this this [TS]

  relationship is being again what sort of [TS]

  dress into the that first movie and and [TS]

  the rapport between these three [TS]

  characters and yet [TS]

  Luke and Han spend the vast majority of [TS]

  this movie and totally separate places [TS]

  and we only get I think you know we get [TS]

  the scene really we got the scene where [TS]

  you like you know hold them out in the [TS]

  in the in the middle of nowhere right [TS]

  you know we find him he shoves him [TS]

  inside the tauntaun we get the scene [TS]

  where he's like after he's healed up and [TS]

  then we get the scene where he says [TS]

  goodbye and that's it like they probably [TS]

  exchange you know doesn't it doesn't [TS]

  light up because they're at their [TS]

  actions or they're showing through their [TS]

  actions what their relationship is like [TS]

  they don't have to have a scene where [TS]

  they say your real body to me I really [TS]

  care about you wouldn't like you to [TS]

  freeze the down [TS]

  speaking of that the tomtom being sliced [TS]

  open and that's probably the most [TS]

  graphic thing I ever saw in a movie up [TS]

  to the point when I saw that in a movie [TS]

  and I think it it work it's a great [TS]

  scene it works so well to establish this [TS]

  movie will be gritty and grim even more [TS]

  so than burned up phone number or you [TS]

  know like there's like this is what [TS]

  you're in for get ready it's not this is [TS]

  not let's go fly through a sterile space [TS]

  in an x-wing since you down the [TS]

  excellent this is this has got the [TS]

  tauntaun and shove the body and so it's [TS]

  appear pragmatism up at it it's not even [TS]

  what would what I didn't notice when I [TS]

  was a kid watching but of instruct me [TS]

  senses all haunts doing is buying time [TS]

  because he says this will keep you warm [TS]

  until i get the shelter up so he sliced [TS]

  open the toddler on basically for you [TS]

  know 15 minutes of warmth because there [TS]

  are in such dire circumstances and it's [TS]

  just he doesn't even think about it [TS]

  other than that it smells you know you [TS]

  thought smell down the outside you know [TS]

  but it's it's worth it doing a dented [TS]

  that kind of just gritty kind of brutal [TS]

  hey we gotta do it to stay alive that [TS]

  when he doesn't even think twice about [TS]

  that or about you know I always loved [TS]

  that insight on why but like something [TS]

  about him using the lights ya gonna do [TS]

  with the same point of like it when I [TS]

  don't know what else do you see nann [TS]

  Jedi's pick up and use the lights every [TS]

  like it that point as a kid you like is [TS]

  it even possible to have to be a Jedi to [TS]

  use thing if you're han Solo you can you [TS]

  pick it up [TS]

  well he's very like a my holding it the [TS]

  right way I hope I don't cut off my leg [TS]

  yeah exactly and you know get the job [TS]

  done but again I mean in these actions [TS]

  you see how much he cares about Luke [TS]

  because it's very much like okay I'm [TS]

  gonna pick up a foreign weapon that I've [TS]

  made fun of non-stop in the previous [TS]

  movie and I'm going to slice open a [TS]

  beast that's just died and indoor you [TS]

  know freezing cold while I put up the [TS]

  shelter because I care about you and I [TS]

  don't want you to die but i don't have [TS]

  to say that and to tend to you know [TS]

  speak again to sort of contrast to what [TS]

  i was saying before about Ford's [TS]

  interchange with the general this is a [TS]

  scene in these are to let you know a [TS]

  couple lines the then I'll see you in [TS]

  Hell which I always of course enjoyed as [TS]

  as does everybody who's right thinking [TS]

  but also the the and I thought they [TS]

  smelled bad on the outside I mean that [TS]

  the delivery in that line i I've always [TS]

  enjoyed because it's not just like you [TS]

  know him like looking at the camera [TS]

  winking at the camera right like there's [TS]

  that sort of pause aspiration and he's [TS]

  tired he's tired from all this rescuing [TS]

  tired yeah thanks I'd like I i really i [TS]

  don't know what that kind of makes him [TS]

  as a character because he still is kinda [TS]

  cocky and snarky even though there's no [TS]

  one around to hear him being funny right [TS]

  like you know this is literally him just [TS]

  going oh man what the hell if I got [TS]

  myself into but that's the same as a [TS]

  boring conversation anyway right he's [TS]

  just making jokes to yourself it's just [TS]

  what he does [TS]

  so that's nice graceful so that morning [TS]

  comes and I always like to think that [TS]

  the guys who are out on their little [TS]

  reconnaissance looking for the makeup [TS]

  and you had some tea had some breakfast [TS]

  the sunny day in sunny say that [TS]

  stretched out a little bit then got in [TS]

  there got in there little while ship but [TS]

  may and they flew out to see if hunts if [TS]

  they could find the frozen body of Han [TS]

  Solo oh and Captain solo tu KSA hey this [TS]

  is road to and it's [TS]

  you know the background noises that I [TS]

  talked about in new hope thing the sound [TS]

  of the x-wing what are they have this [TS]

  one you're going over the land you have [TS]

  the scanning that here you know that [TS]

  sounds definite that's that's the sound [TS]

  of speeders scanning for life-forms [TS]

  while they look at the sound of the [TS]

  speeders is very different sound the [TS]

  x-wings para bajar like they're [TS]

  low-flying stuff those those set that [TS]

  soundtrack is such a character and all [TS]

  the Star Wars movies in the character of [TS]

  hot and the speeders is very different [TS]

  than the character of the x-wing and an [TS]

  interesting and different and fun like [TS]

  there's so many great sounds that moment [TS]

  I think of the there's a very iconic at [TS]

  the very beginning [TS]

  uh where where Luke rings up hon on his [TS]

  old comlink thing and you've got that [TS]

  bling bling glue-like little Chinese [TS]

  sound which is occurs to me thinking [TS]

  about it now I think it that's the only [TS]

  time to use this entire movie and yet [TS]

  that that is a that sound is crystal [TS]

  clear in my head because it it has a [TS]

  meaning right associated with it [TS]

  well it's stuck in your you know Ben [TS]

  Bert's created this very definitive [TS]

  soundscape and I that ties over for me [TS]

  to into the droids as well as like going [TS]

  back just a moment the moment at the end [TS]

  of the evening when they close the blast [TS]

  doors with artoo and c3po that scene [TS]

  breaks my heart every time because you [TS]

  have to c-3po you are too has been known [TS]

  to make mistakes from time to time and [TS]

  then he walks away and art was just [TS]

  standing there and then you just goes [TS]

  yeah I mean I end for me in that scene [TS]

  its chewy at times like time is yellow [TS]

  with the dark closing oh yeah that is [TS]

  that Harper and there's a great shot [TS]

  there too right word there's a bit of a [TS]

  pant like a zoom in on on our dolly in [TS]

  on layout right as the doors closing and [TS]

  the enemy throws head back that's a [TS]

  great little moment expression on layers [TS]

  face again underrated acting we're like [TS]

  yeah if they said okay now this seen [TS]

  Carrie you're gonna be late and the [TS]

  doors are closing you said because hands [TS]

  out there we'll put the camera on you [TS]

  for a few seconds she could just stand [TS]

  there and put on a sad face but she does [TS]

  so much more than that she acts with no [TS]

  dialogue for on suffering for 34 seconds [TS]

  she acts and provides a performance of [TS]

  believable performance of the mixed [TS]

  emotions going on with like you know is [TS]

  it going to be dead or they gonna be [TS]

  okay am I worried but I have to be [TS]

  strong look at her face in that scene [TS]

  and it's of this a lot packed it's [TS]

  enough to make you concerned even though [TS]

  you know like babies guys are heroes of [TS]

  the story [TS]

  I plate and a thing about performances [TS]

  like that is again another filmmaker so [TS]

  I don't know how this this actually goes [TS]

  my impression is that it's not so much [TS]

  that like oh she's a better actor than [TS]

  she was another movies the director [TS]

  makes that because the director decides [TS]

  I'm going to do seven takes of your face [TS]

  for three seconds whereas Lucas as a [TS]

  director goes ok and get latest face [TS]

  shot okay and move on to the next one he [TS]

  wouldn't take more than one taking that [TS]

  you just one take on everything as long [TS]

  as the Lighting's good the blue screens [TS]

  are keyed up right and everything was [TS]

  fine sounds but don't worry we'll look [TS]

  the sound and go on to the next one as a [TS]

  director will coax a performance that [TS]

  even co-signing performance is just like [TS]

  will take 20 20 takes on the sly cooper [TS]

  is famous for not taking a bazillion [TS]

  takes I think that's important you know [TS]

  what I think actually that cursor to [TS]

  fewer takes the Lucas in terms of [TS]

  filmmaking wise but he also the the [TS]

  magic about cursor behind the camera [TS]

  here and you can really see it in the [TS]

  timing with the facial expressions and [TS]

  with the timing between characters [TS]

  everything is that these this script was [TS]

  rehearsed not to death but to the right [TS]

  exact point between getting it rehearse [TS]

  to the point where it's perfect [TS]

  but not over-- rehearse to the point [TS]

  where these people it sounds like they [TS]

  automatically know what they're saying [TS]

  and it's boring and we already know what [TS]

  the conversation is going to be like [TS]

  it's that you know you take just the [TS]

  right amount and you managed to capture [TS]

  it on screen and that happens pretty [TS]

  much for every single scene in this [TS]

  movie which is what makes it so special [TS]

  i find and if you took fear it takes [TS]

  then Lucas is probably because he was a [TS]

  much more competent filmmaker at the [TS]

  edges are they were doing this time you [TS]

  know everything you knew when you knew [TS]

  when the right take was and when to you [TS]

  know when to actually have the cameras [TS]

  rolling and went to rehearse and that's [TS]

  the mark of a great director so that [TS]

  Luke spends a whole Luke Spencer spent [TS]

  the whole night you know in a whopper [TS]

  Cavin in attendance so what do they do [TS]

  when they get back to base they put him [TS]

  in a tank on today / tank the fact it's [TS]

  a back to turn come on [TS]

  yes yes the back to tank water this with [TS]

  my friendly at like six or 7i think [TS]

  there's repeatedly going through Empire [TS]

  and and watching the scene and just [TS]

  cringing where it's just watching Bob [TS]

  down in the giant back to tank with well [TS]

  there's a great shot in the in the [TS]

  making of book which shows him with the [TS]

  phantom of the opera mask continue [TS]

  guessing that apparently there's a hole [TS]

  cut scene where he's got like a mask on [TS]

  his face you know that they take off [TS]

  right but there's a shot of a mini run [TS]

  it really it looks like a phantom of the [TS]

  opera mask is like covering half of his [TS]

  face and of course you know we haven't [TS]

  discussed the practical impact which is [TS]

  i believe it was between a new hope and [TS]

  empire that he was in a car accident [TS]

  right and basically had to have [TS]

  reconstructive surgery and so that's why [TS]

  he doesn't quite look right with it [TS]

  that's why the war punches him in the [TS]

  face and he's got all of the the damage [TS]

  and all that is its them sort of saying [TS]

  well his face doesn't look the same [TS]

  because I got punched by a wampa right [TS]

  by me and you know they had to deal with [TS]

  the practicalities that and on and on a [TS]

  side note in a sad note I think [TS]

  unfortunately but as a result our [TS]

  cameras & age very well probably because [TS]

  of the technology that was available at [TS]

  that time but the UH this is also the [TS]

  point movie where we get the where we [TS]

  gotta laugh it up fuzzball [TS]

  well scruffy-looking nerf herder I mean [TS]

  who's scruffy-looking these are examples [TS]

  of corny lines that that are sold by [TS]

  these actors sometimes the dialogue [TS]

  movie is great and sometimes they [TS]

  require a little bit effort and these [TS]

  lines work because of the report the [TS]

  actress having the performances because [TS]

  if you just give these lines to like I [TS]

  don't know like a middle school theater [TS]

  troupe or something and having them read [TS]

  them they don't work but in this scene [TS]

  that you buy them you just buy them [TS]

  well there's this great kayden sisters [TS]

  great laugh it up fuzzball like you know [TS]

  there's the battery cages to that [TS]

  doesn't work if you just laugh it up [TS]

  fuzzball around and i think you know i [TS]

  NN again the sound design right you know [TS]

  i love i love to ezel from like it's [TS]

  nothing it's the strange little girl [TS]

  far-right like everybody knew it to find [TS]

  him so much as a character because he is [TS]

  a key is understanding everything that [TS]

  is going on and amused by the situation [TS]

  and he he's the only person who can get [TS]

  away with that right no one else is [TS]

  gonna sort of like everyone else might [TS]

  look like a little bit of scans at hon [TS]

  but he's the guy who knows hon right he [TS]

  knows I'm cold and he's his best friend [TS]

  and can you know and can make fun of him [TS]

  like that because of their relationship [TS]

  and I think that says something in and [TS]

  of itself and the fact that they can [TS]

  that hon can shoot back laugh it up [TS]

  fuzzball without you know you know [TS]

  pissing off the would be at work and [TS]

  having his arms [TS]

  dog and and these are these funny [TS]

  sayings that fuzzball scruffy-looking [TS]

  nerf herder and later brain with laser [TS]

  brain right so these particular phrases [TS]

  speak to kind of like older script [TS]

  writers who don't know what is actually [TS]

  cool in the vernacular the kids these [TS]

  days but want to make up something that [TS]

  sounds futuristic right but they're [TS]

  framed by completely competent dialogue [TS]

  so I don't know where you get your [TS]

  delusions from laser brain laser brain [TS]

  is the corny thing written by yoga I [TS]

  don't know how to make something future [TS]

  sounding but i don't know where you get [TS]

  your delusions is a nicely turned phrase [TS]

  where hundreds of other clumsy or [TS]

  phrases could have been used and if you [TS]

  put you so crazy laser brain or I don't [TS]

  you know or something like that that's [TS]

  just bad script down that yeah like I [TS]

  don't know what you're thinking laser [TS]

  brain but i don't know where you get [TS]

  your delusions is better fitting for the [TS]

  character plus delivery she provides and [TS]

  then it makes you by the laser brain so [TS]

  we still got the writing also helps here [TS]

  by not being just like it you have to [TS]

  excuse the laser brains the nerf herders [TS]

  and they work because they're surrounded [TS]

  by otherwise completely sturdy and [TS]

  competent dialogue I you feel and get [TS]

  look so bad to me you look strong enough [TS]

  to pull ears off a gundark [TS]

  oh thanks to you that's two you owe me [TS]

  junior [TS]

  mm well your worship looks like you [TS]

  managed to keep me around for a little [TS]

  while longer [TS]

  I had nothing to do with it general [TS]

  right can't thinks it's dangerous for [TS]

  any ships to leave the system until [TS]

  we've activated the energy field it's a [TS]

  good story [TS]

  I think you just can't bear to let [TS]

  gorgeous guy like me out of your sight [TS]

  I don't know where you get your [TS]

  delusions laser brain [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  fuzzball but you didn't see us alone in [TS]

  the South passage she expressed her true [TS]

  feelings for me but why you stuck-up [TS]

  half-witted scruffy-looking nerf herder [TS]

  scruffy-looking and not just dialogue [TS]

  but you know the whole physicality the [TS]

  scene to write like the way hon sort of [TS]

  struts overlay you didn't see this and [TS]

  then said together you know you start [TS]

  sticking his chest out you put his arm [TS]

  around her she expressed her true [TS]

  feelings for me you know i think there's [TS]

  a great there again you know speaking to [TS]

  when Ford is on he is on right like he's [TS]

  got that charm and he's got that you [TS]

  know kind of he speaking of the [TS]

  cockiness and everything like that [TS]

  totally cells that character even the [TS]

  way he exits the room after they cast [TS]

  he's like yeah still here [TS]

  find somebody else so that seems so [TS]

  we've got the with we've got the in [TS]

  hindsight really creepy kissing your [TS]

  sister scene where are obviously layers [TS]

  just trying to get Hans goat by kissing [TS]

  luke and the aftermath of that kiss [TS]

  though not only is there the weirdness [TS]

  of the fact that the brother and sister [TS]

  as it turns out but the aftermath of [TS]

  that first off while they're kissing the [TS]

  look on Harrison Ford's face is [TS]

  priceless [TS]

  it is it it's it's this combination of a [TS]

  little bit of horror but also a lot of [TS]

  all right I see what you're doing here [TS]

  well played right and and like I can't [TS]

  let myself get mad i'm walking i'm not [TS]

  going to show it [TS]

  that would give that she would win if I [TS]

  did that i'm just going to take it all [TS]

  in and then he just kind of nods and [TS]

  then the best line of Chewbacca dialogue [TS]

  ever where he basically goes room at boy [TS]

  I want the subtitles for that right well [TS]

  and Threepio Threepio titles over to get [TS]

  a interview which i always fuck [TS]

  ridiculously hilarious [TS]

  he's fascinated by her parents she steps [TS]

  up and walks away i just love Luke [TS]

  looking nodding putting his hands [TS]

  oh yeah well he wasn't cool during if [TS]

  you look at his taste his face though [TS]

  he's like dad [TS]

  is going on here but then he recovers [TS]

  and says yeah you know what yeah that's [TS]

  right that's right yeah well DNA he [TS]

  realizes you get one over on hon to yeah [TS]

  i think even realizes he's being played [TS]

  to a certain extent but i think that [TS]

  bets in some ways more important who's [TS]

  cool now hot solo exactly who's the kid [TS]

  you know what I find interesting is that [TS]

  Leia does not use pet names and jokes [TS]

  for anybody except for hon you never [TS]

  hear her call Luke anything but with on [TS]

  it's always like she calls him by his [TS]

  name maybe once or twice and every every [TS]

  other opportunity its laser brain it's [TS]

  not her it's enough scoundrel she I mean [TS]

  you know and yeah and again Lucas kind [TS]

  of in some ways Luke is the least [TS]

  important person in that scene right [TS]

  despite it being a scene about him you [TS]

  know coming back from the dead basically [TS]

  it's basically an excuse for the two of [TS]

  them to use him to fence with each other [TS]

  but you got the impression that they're [TS]

  the older I don't know that the relative [TS]

  ages are supposed to assume his supposed [TS]

  to be older than Luke he's supposed to [TS]

  be like 20 G's Harrison Ford like 27 and [TS]

  they're both like closer to 20 21 but [TS]

  like that they come up with the adults [TS]

  hanalei come off the Dalton he's the kid [TS]

  in the room when there-there fight is [TS]

  going on and gets wrapped up into it you [TS]

  know mommy and daddy too i just like the [TS]

  eye again though the hospital leaving [TS]

  was like take it easy yeah he's out of [TS]

  their next thing I have my notes [TS]

  actually is there's this great seam [TS]

  where you see the big Imperial ships [TS]

  that were used to see how that ended the [TS]

  shadow comes over them and there's the [TS]

  GIS ship the Darth Vader is on what a [TS]

  great way to play off that scene from [TS]

  red and you hold one upmanship because [TS]

  it's a sequel you know you thought the [TS]

  exactly you thought those ships were big [TS]

  remember how big those ships were guess [TS]

  what they get completely lips well but [TS]

  in before you get that scene there was a [TS]

  true the transition to that scene i love [TS]

  because it's the it's the imperial [TS]

  program which we can alter your [TS]

  impressions of and i had met right and [TS]

  we're not gonna let them run around at [TS]

  all so they shoot it on on radios back [TS]

  it's a good bet the Empire knows we're [TS]

  here [TS]

  big wipe transition q Imperial March [TS]

  which is the first time i believe you [TS]

  hear the Imperial marketing is in this [TS]

  movie and what an interesting [TS]

  however yeah whatever it does not exist [TS]

  in a new hope [TS]

  ok [TS]

  that's on the company's the realization [TS]

  we were just talking about a scale of [TS]

  like all right we understand sequels [TS]

  have to take it up a notch well you want [TS]

  it up a notch here you go [TS]

  new song I've never heard awesome song [TS]

  great Star Wars song bad as Darth Vader [TS]

  Imperial March song superstar you want [TS]

  to give him right you're wondering like [TS]

  okay he's got you know the first movie [TS]

  kind of like the Death Star right like [TS]

  that was a stomping grounds like what [TS]

  are you going to give them in this movie [TS]

  that's impressive and because what's [TS]

  fascinating about this movie is that you [TS]

  know so much of it takes place sort of [TS]

  on the run that it makes sense he's got [TS]

  a flagship right he's got something [TS]

  that's enormous and that is like [TS]

  representative of the might of the [TS]

  Empire in a way that the death star you [TS]

  know the star was menacing but that was [TS]

  always kind of taärgons to write and so [TS]

  I think giving him his own do with that [TS]

  giant ship is is it's effective and he's [TS]

  got his own little chamber within the [TS]

  giant ship this badass black clamshell [TS]

  chamber thing that he's inside of which [TS]

  is just you don't even understand why [TS]

  it's there initially in your life but [TS]

  that's cool [TS]

  it's important to mention from a [TS]

  production a standpoint to I think that [TS]

  and I again something that we talked [TS]

  about a belief in the Stars podcast is [TS]

  that you know the vader outfit in Star [TS]

  Wars is not it's it's kind of odd right [TS]

  he looks kind of wimpy a kind of times [TS]

  and you can see through the eyes and [TS]

  whatever like they made him over right [TS]

  he looks he looks menacing in this in [TS]

  empire right shiny and evil [TS]

  it's shiny yeah exactly and it's [TS]

  effective like you see all those shots [TS]

  where you get there so many reaction [TS]

  sauce in here remember this so it starts [TS]

  out with them bickering you know that [TS]

  the officers bickering about whether or [TS]

  not they've actually found you know the [TS]

  rebels could miss much as he walks over [TS]

  right and you just see the eyes of all [TS]

  the guy of the guys in the crew pits [TS]

  watching him go right you know there's [TS]

  and I think there are if you pay [TS]

  attention to all the reaction shots to [TS]

  Vader which I think come across very [TS]

  subconscious you're not necessarily [TS]

  thinking about them directly but i was [TS]

  paying attention to them a lot this time [TS]

  and I realize how effective those are in [TS]

  you know making us think not only is he [TS]

  scary right but he scared the people [TS]

  whose side he's on [TS]

  yeah yeah I John mentioned the we talked [TS]

  a little bit about the Empire here i [TS]

  think from different a few different [TS]

  parts of this movie [TS]

  John mentioned the chamber invaders in [TS]

  and of course later we see the scene [TS]

  where [TS]

  his his head mask is coming down as its [TS]

  opening up which is that that great [TS]

  moment that's like just a little tiny [TS]

  tiny taste like oh but it's Darth [TS]

  Vader's head off and then it's gone but [TS]

  i have to she said to have to share this [TS]

  with you that are that I'm sitting there [TS]

  thinking Darth Vader's chamber is is [TS]

  sort of interesting and strange and why [TS]

  is it there like John said and I'm [TS]

  thinking how to phrase that in my notes [TS]

  and my son my seven-year-old son turns [TS]

  to me and says daddy Vader's office is [TS]

  really weird like I can't put it any [TS]

  better than that anybody that he took [TS]

  his fingers of both hands and kind of [TS]

  put them together like it goes like this [TS]

  shit with the little thing [TS]

  shit with the little thing [TS]

  coming up it's true it's Darth Vader's [TS]

  office it is kind of it would seem kind [TS]

  of impractical and I assume it's sort of [TS]

  like for security that he needs to like [TS]

  that moves the atmosphere in there so we [TS]

  can have his helmet all right you know [TS]

  it's stuffy I'm sure it's just a strange [TS]

  office unorthodox office have to throw [TS]

  in my favorite running joke scene with [TS]

  my friend my friend Evan who's a he was [TS]

  a big star Wars fan as well and we had a [TS]

  joke when we were kids by favorite my [TS]

  favorite shots in this entire movie use [TS]

  your faders like that's it the rebels [TS]

  are there you know and then he goes [TS]

  general veers and he turns around right [TS]

  yes he's right there and to my house is [TS]

  like an inch is for mistakes and every [TS]

  time after that controlled like why are [TS]

  you so glum [TS]

  yes space but it's definitely something [TS]

  that was dead i noticed that see it's [TS]

  such a weird but i have to give super [TS]

  props to essentially in glover I think [TS]

  who doesn't blink right haters like [TS]

  ahead whips around he's just like nope [TS]

  i'm here so you work with darth vader [TS]

  you gotta take it later later to become [TS]

  ya laters play a part in an Indian into [TS]

  it is I i have one of my notes serious [TS]

  hey it's julian glover it's Walter [TS]

  Donovan it's what did I tell you dr. [TS]

  Jones never trust for me he will always [TS]

  be scare off last of the Jagger off from [TS]

  the city of death episode of dr who [TS]

  that's where I first met Julian Glover [TS]

  so when when he was in indiana jones and [TS]

  the last crusade ok it's that guy [TS]

  it's the guy from Doctor Who I didn't [TS]

  even notice that he was a movie until [TS]

  years later cheese is general here and [TS]

  there was also we learned the the way [TS]

  that you get ahead in the military in [TS]

  the Empire which is the choke to death [TS]

  by before so it is a good economy of [TS]

  dialogue and these scenes too because [TS]

  when the guys get in trouble do Vader [TS]

  again i can just imagine in a modern [TS]

  movie or you have to have the bag i say [TS]

  a whole bunch of bad stuff where he [TS]

  likes I'm really you know some sort of [TS]

  big evil guy speed you're talking about [TS]

  how he loves to kill people all the [TS]

  blood this one quick choking cases [TS]

  clumsy and stupid getting on my screen [TS]

  and choke and next well I think about [TS]

  the it builds ago yorkshire we but we've [TS]

  built on it right because in the last [TS]

  movie he was in the room right he [TS]

  reaches over and over to feeling like [TS]

  I'm crushing I'm crushing your head I'm [TS]

  crushing your head but in this one it's [TS]

  like he doesn't do anything right [TS]

  hands on the screen because I'm in the [TS]

  same right you don't need the pantomime [TS]

  that anymore know right exactly he's [TS]

  just sort of looking at him the guy [TS]

  kills over and you're like well he [TS]

  probably just like choking up a statue [TS]

  or something you have to pantomime in [TS]

  the first movie us the audience wouldn't [TS]

  understand what was going on you have to [TS]

  make right [TS]

  no I'm the black suit making the pinchy [TS]

  thing with his fingers is doing it but [TS]

  now let's establish you don't have to do [TS]

  that thing and it also serves to make [TS]

  him look like he's up and I want to give [TS]

  super props in this point to it to a [TS]

  secondary character PA who I think he is [TS]

  another one of those great sort of [TS]

  professional actors right who this was a [TS]

  gig or whatever but he really brings [TS]

  guys you know the whole thing EP it's [TS]

  like I replaces out of the Admiral Ozzel [TS]

  who was killed off right [TS]

  if you watch his expression through the [TS]

  whole thing and just his his behavior [TS]

  he's just like he's in there right he is [TS]

  doing that role and his years working it [TS]

  like a professional i love my favorite [TS]

  shot of him in the entire movie which [TS]

  will come which is basically the lash [TS]

  out of him is you know at the very end [TS]

  when that when the fucking gets away you [TS]

  see the look on his face when you [TS]

  realize oh sure that rocks they got away [TS]

  and like you just you can see like the [TS]

  color drained out of his face and I'm [TS]

  like that is good and so I get through [TS]

  this entire thing I think he does an [TS]

  awesome job of like he's the guy who [TS]

  realizes just how tenuous his position [TS]

  is right and and he's seen his [TS]

  predecessor choked in front of his eyes [TS]

  and nose like what the stakes are and [TS]

  he's trying his damnedest to make sure [TS]

  that they you know he keeps this this [TS]

  crazy Dark Lord guy happy like he's just [TS]

  the money is just a soldier right it's [TS]

  just the guy who's flying the ship and [TS]

  he's like I you know I ended up here [TS]

  I you know I'm not really sure what [TS]

  happened but boy I better keep this guy [TS]

  happy or else I'm gonna keel over in a [TS]

  few minutes [TS]

  it's just bringing in coffee earlier now [TS]

  here I i am mr. gel I mean just because [TS]

  i was just an intern now I'm an ad rule [TS]

  but the interesting thing about Pete to [TS]

  is as i recall has a slightly expanded [TS]

  role in the in the radio drama which I [TS]

  suspect is one of the reasons why Dan [TS]

  likes him [TS]

  this is heats it's very much since when [TS]

  but even the understated parts of him in [TS]

  in the movie you know he's a secondary [TS]

  character right he doesn't he's not the [TS]

  main villain he's not even like you know [TS]

  he's not targeting or anything of that [TS]

  level [TS]

  he's just this soldier and yet [TS]

  I think those moments that he plays he [TS]

  has a story [TS]

  well neither does he have a story but is [TS]

  emblematic of this whole empire again [TS]

  these these are you know there's a [TS]

  well-oiled military machine right very [TS]

  professional very disciplined and then [TS]

  you throw in this row guy with a cape [TS]

  and a helmet right he's just stalking [TS]

  around killing guys left and right this [TS]

  is this is extremely on military and so [TS]

  you kind of but he knows like Mariano [TS]

  Yankees the Emperor's you know because [TS]

  the Emperor's little protégé I can't [TS]

  screw around with him I gotta listen to [TS]

  him even though I'm you know an admiral [TS]

  or a captain or whatever and I think [TS]

  it's just it's a fascinating dynamic [TS]

  that we get the Empire which at the same [TS]

  time the villains in this is the same [TS]

  time this huge monolithic you know very [TS]

  like you know military-industrial [TS]

  complex and at the same time there's [TS]

  this huge mystical darkside element and [TS]

  the meshing of those two that the edges [TS]

  there are just really fascinating you [TS]

  know when you have a dot bad guys and [TS]

  and and movies there's two ways they can [TS]

  go then go with the crazy maniac was [TS]

  like I'm crazy I'm the biggest baddest [TS]

  of the bad guy because I'm the craziest [TS]

  of the bad guys and they ran a raven the [TS]

  yellow people and they kill people and [TS]

  songs over and then they have the steel [TS]

  guy who's like he's the quiet guy but if [TS]

  you cross me kill you and you just [TS]

  always quiet and reserved right [TS]

  Bader is it doesn't fit into either one [TS]

  of those clichés because he's certainly [TS]

  not ranting and raving and yelling at [TS]

  people like he's not a hothead right [TS]

  he's pretty much calm but on the other [TS]

  hand he's frustrated and angry about [TS]

  things going wrong he's not like so cool [TS]

  that you think he's a sociopath that [TS]

  just has no feelings about anything he's [TS]

  frustrated when people get away he's [TS]

  frustrated when his guys don't perform [TS]

  correctly but he doesn't yell he doesn't [TS]

  rant and raved broken ankle show he [TS]

  chokes him outside Lee he picks the next [TS]

  guy command you're in charge now he [TS]

  makes his wishes clear don't family [TS]

  because i'm actually kind of annoyed [TS]

  about this but I'm not gonna go yelling [TS]

  at everybody i'm not going to be ranting [TS]

  and raving he's on the first movie he [TS]

  does yell right but he doesn't think [TS]

  he's different Vader he's more badass [TS]

  now he's less desperate and frantic and [TS]

  stuff like that but you can still see [TS]

  underneath it all as this human is [TS]

  frustrated about the fact that he can't [TS]

  get right is giant cleat to catch these [TS]

  rebels and and again from from a [TS]

  production standpoint we we commented in [TS]

  any earlier than the star wars episode [TS]

  like Vader's lines come across very [TS]

  rushed right the [TS]

  clearly they're dumping stuff in over [TS]

  afterwards and so I wonder what happened [TS]

  those plans today with the parent now [TS]

  you know like it's all very rush words [TS]

  in this one they they clearly took a lot [TS]

  more time to match up and everything [TS]

  Vader does is as John say it's very slow [TS]

  writes very deliberate [TS]

  there's a lot of time and everything [TS]

  meshes much better and it makes him that [TS]

  much more menacing because you know like [TS]

  like you're saying is he's he's not he's [TS]

  frustrated but he's not like harried [TS]

  right he's and I think that that gives a [TS]

  lot to his presence and plus they give [TS]

  him these great little turns of phrase [TS]

  that are threatening but not in ways [TS]

  that you would typically associate is [TS]

  threatening I mean there's a scene later [TS]

  on he says there are two Admiral exactly [TS]

  that's exactly thinking [TS]

  don't disappoint me again Admiral [TS]

  anything you like you don't need to say [TS]

  or I'll kill you like the previous [TS]

  geyser and it's implied the Admiral [TS]

  means I about to die [TS]

  yeah it's a code so it's a safe love we [TS]

  we are we should go back to to hof now [TS]

  for the the first big because we've been [TS]

  talking all this time it's been great [TS]

  but we haven't gotten to the first big [TS]

  set piece of the movie which is the [TS]

  assault on the rebel base by the [TS]

  Imperial Walker's but first i have to [TS]

  mention my art those medical droids very [TS]

  friendly and concerned about the [TS]

  well-being of their patients because [TS]

  there's a whole day so there's a whole [TS]

  scene it is just strangely the robot are [TS]

  the droid being concerned that Luke will [TS]

  have a good day and take your own mental [TS]

  health is part of overall health you can [TS]

  elect oh absolutely nothing what's he [TS]

  wants to make sure that they can [TS]

  evacuate those the heavier equipment to [TS]

  yes of course concerned because that is [TS]

  going to be left behind and taken over [TS]

  by the the Empire which I assume was the [TS]

  case right as the cigar right they're [TS]

  gonna reboot they actually have a joke [TS]

  about that in the radio dramas reason [TS]

  radio drama is this whole long [TS]

  conversation between the two of them [TS]

  when he says I once fact that the droids [TS]

  like I want to practice medicine in [TS]

  imperial clinic I take your meaning you [TS]

  like you know he doesn't want to be left [TS]

  behind if right i just love but I think [TS]

  that seeing that scene in this movie [TS]

  it gives them a chance to start playing [TS]

  Luke's a music to say that the sort of [TS]

  happy-go-lucky not happy go lucky [TS]

  but i want to fight for the rebels Lucas [TS]

  back he's better now he's d want but [TS]

  he's out of the things he's doing it [TS]

  seems that scene between hanalei is over [TS]

  his theme music star state playing he's [TS]

  getting suited up he's ready to get off [TS]

  the end off to the you know to the pilot [TS]

  stuff that we've been any and he gets it [TS]

  nice in this thing it's not an x-wing [TS]

  but he sits in anything and so now [TS]

  everyone who saw the previous movies [TS]

  like Luke and an orange jumpsuit going [TS]

  into a thing or it's not a spaceship but [TS]

  it's coming on internship right he's got [TS]

  a co-pilot minus the copilot says I [TS]

  could take on the whole of their voice [TS]

  yeah yeah I know you're the reason that [TS]

  bastard as we always add to that seemed [TS]

  he dies but the thing is that the reason [TS]

  that line works is is because every kid [TS]

  who came out of a new hope after they [TS]

  came out of a new hope that thought that [TS]

  they could take on the whole entire [TS]

  themselves a look finally gets back into [TS]

  the ship where we want to see him as the [TS]

  little kids saying yes look at back in [TS]

  the ship and its dresses I feel like you [TS]

  take the whole empire self and books and [TS]

  what you mean the kids I was like yes I [TS]

  know what you mean to because I to feel [TS]

  like I can take on the entire empire [TS]

  just like you did in that trench thing [TS]

  and I'm done a million times underneath [TS]

  my covers with my ex wings you know it's [TS]

  a anyway we skipped over briefly like [TS]

  one moment I wanted to speak to as we [TS]

  talked about the economy which is which [TS]

  is Lucan Hans farewell scene right which [TS]

  is i believe the dialogue is you all [TS]

  right yeah take care of yourself you to [TS]

  like that's it and all is all done and [TS]

  it's all delivery right and and i think [TS]

  what's fascinating about that scene is [TS]

  like you take those lines and they're [TS]

  totally generic there's nothing that [TS]

  couldn't be in you wouldn't see not and [TS]

  there's no substance to the lines and [TS]

  yet there is something in the way that [TS]

  you know in the rapport between those [TS]

  two characters that that lets you see [TS]

  between the lines and and the subtleties [TS]

  there but it's fascinating like that's [TS]

  that were these guys are gonna see each [TS]

  other for another you know like the rest [TS]

  of this like the the one hour and a half [TS]

  their left in this film were two hours [TS]

  that are left in this film and that's [TS]

  how they say goodbye [TS]

  no high fives nothing and Luke does this [TS]

  little to double take to step 2 if [TS]

  you're watching Luke is about to turn [TS]

  away half turns away than half turns [TS]

  back lots of little physical acting [TS]

  there besides the lines and yeah I an [TS]

  edge it's a nice little scene [TS]

  nope but amazes me that they got away [TS]

  with it with such really generic [TS]

  dialogue buddy you know it but it works [TS]

  and now we're back to flying so so [TS]

  Imperial uh still Walker seen anybody [TS]

  have any any thoughts about this i mean [TS]

  it's a cool action scene right it's a [TS]

  good thing they have total cables tow [TS]

  cables [TS]

  yes we thought to put them on I i played [TS]

  rogue leader way way way too many times [TS]

  to count growing up as a kid but I have [TS]

  to say of the entire movie The Hoff [TS]

  battle infuriates me because it makes no [TS]

  sense in the space of like what an hour [TS]

  two hours how they have gone from [TS]

  fighting an initial space battle to all [TS]

  the sudden even those are there's some [TS]

  sort of energy shield over the planet [TS]

  they have managed to land these big [TS]

  giant hulking creatures getting out of a [TS]

  Star Destroyer get them apparently [TS]

  within 10 miles of the base get them set [TS]

  up also get Darth Vader landed on the [TS]

  plant like the logistics of this which I [TS]

  didn't notice is a kid and I'd their [TS]

  energy shields they prevent you from [TS]

  shooting things onto the planet they [TS]

  don't prevent things from going onto the [TS]

  planet their particle the ratios not [TS]

  particle shields okay i'm going to [TS]

  broach the subject the prequels here to [TS]

  say they show the details of how an [TS]

  invasion like this works in episode 1 [TS]

  and i think in seeing that you see very [TS]

  well why it's up probably find that they [TS]

  don't show it here that a very wisely [TS]

  don't show and they explained it in the [TS]

  they explained in the radio drama as [TS]

  well because it's not it's not important [TS]

  i have no desire to see them explain it [TS]

  was just something that always [TS]

  infuriated me it doesn't explain i [TS]

  thought there was a long enough time gap [TS]

  because the rebels have plenty of time [TS]

  to prepare that time to dick stretches [TS]

  they had done to get all set up they had [TS]

  time to get their speeders ready I got [TS]

  the impression and they got their plan [TS]

  with the ion cannon to get the two to [TS]

  evaluate like it there was at this time [TS]

  and they're waiting like when will the [TS]

  enemy appear I thought I felt that there [TS]

  was a long time gap it between the time [TS]

  when they said it's a good bet the [TS]

  Empire knows we're here to the time when [TS]

  they could finally see the Imperial [TS]

  Walker's through their binoculars they [TS]

  came from far off right i mean they land [TS]

  them outside the shield sort of and have [TS]

  them walk instead I think a lot alike [TS]

  right on top of the generated welcome to [TS]

  see they built himself tall and spindly [TS]

  and skinny that's another and why [TS]

  they're talking able to the snowspeeders [TS]

  you think about it too much i got two [TS]

  things around [TS]

  it's really important house you move [TS]

  things you gotta tow package on your car [TS]

  no well they won't be taking down any [TS]

  Walker it's kinda it's kinda like [TS]

  voltron is blazing sword it's like just [TS]

  got the tow cables first don't bother [TS]

  with the blasters that Armstrong [TS]

  combustors guess what you know we could [TS]

  guess that use the tow cables i love the [TS]

  comments about how you know it we ran [TS]

  was talking about playing rogue leader [TS]

  and it occurs to me that i think i think [TS]

  my friend Tony although i don't he was [TS]

  quoting someone else being like man I've [TS]

  played the Battle of Hoth probably is at [TS]

  least as many times as invited like in [TS]

  video games i played like the invented [TS]

  by DJ on normandie pls let you battle [TS]

  scenes that are not every freaking game [TS]

  so um you know I i don't i don't have a [TS]

  lot to say about the about the battle [TS]

  itself for me that the scene that really [TS]

  grabs me as after right after it uh as [TS]

  as the Empire really it's the line right [TS]

  its Imperial forces invaded the base [TS]

  that's imperial troops apparent groups [TS]

  of the best that that's the thing that [TS]

  gets that's the stuff that I really love [TS]

  is is if that's the og's we gotta get [TS]

  outta here now they're coming [TS]

  there's the extent that doesn't sound as [TS]

  the government radios like a better the [TS]

  problem you know what he's gone yeah and [TS]

  that's the stuff i mean it's a fun [TS]

  action scene with the walkers and you [TS]

  know but but who gets the shimmy up that [TS]

  thing and threw a grenade yeah he makes [TS]

  out a whole ad himself showing that he's [TS]

  resourceful and you know right is not a [TS]

  top of his game entirely but he's [TS]

  resourceful and can do instinct is that [TS]

  people can't because he has a lightsaber [TS]

  and he didn't really use force but he [TS]

  was he uses brain and hate relationship [TS]

  and it's a pilot died and apparently [TS]

  r2d2 can fly the x-wing short distances [TS]

  himself to get it out to the staging [TS]

  area so it was about what to do with [TS]

  cables you're right with the tow cable [TS]

  cheese people well and and we also have [TS]

  others are thinking that pre we got see [TS]

  that wedges alive [TS]

  however I'm always excited about that [TS]

  shot Jackson to hear wedge could chat [TS]

  Denis Lawson so Anna and also you got [TS]

  the smog a driver is the shoot will be [TS]

  down in moments you may start you said [TS]

  look at the look on his face with that [TS]

  with that to helmet as he's like on his [TS]

  like that's right I've got mad at [TS]

  understand cruising in town on the ad at [TS]

  don't you love that is the little [TS]

  pocket-sized Darth Vader hologram to ya [TS]

  if I if I was that guy be like many of [TS]

  the mini hologram but later uses to hear [TS]

  because the Supreme would be no good [TS]

  when you could white house anyway you [TS]

  can have a little hologram of darkness [TS]

  like Jesus on your head like an action [TS]

  figure [TS]

  no don't don't bother having a full Sun [TS]

  or theater hologram alrighty i'll be [TS]

  like scary enough room in the car but [TS]

  then he's got a periscope peoples of the [TS]

  shield he's doing his job he's confident [TS]

  right to the part where you know I [TS]

  actually apparently he supposed to [TS]

  supposed to die or something i was [TS]

  reading one of the other in a cutscene [TS]

  or something i was reading online [TS]

  someone had a the cut scenes that are I [TS]

  think included in the special edition [TS]

  blu rays just came out where they said [TS]

  like basically he supposed to get [TS]

  supposed to get some ice at the after [TS]

  that scene but it was always think that [TS]

  when when Luke is repelling up the into [TS]

  the belly of the the snow speed but he's [TS]

  gonna go in to the east of throw his [TS]

  lightsaber in and then jump in and then [TS]

  go to kill everybody and he never does [TS]

  it turns out because for whatever reason [TS]

  I always read the thing he's throwing [TS]

  his lightsaber and it's not it's a [TS]

  grenade grenade uses the same hand is [TS]

  holding a lightsaber and but it's true [TS]

  and I realized that what made me realize [TS]

  that is because my son made the same [TS]

  mistake he was like after it blows up [TS]

  because oh I thought he threw his [TS]

  lightsaber in there and I said well [TS]

  that's ridiculous why would anybody do [TS]

  that and be silly boy [TS]

  the thing I actually really you know the [TS]

  big battle is is nice but I also i love [TS]

  the scene where Leia is basically there [TS]

  till the bitter end and everything's [TS]

  falling costs around her and she's like [TS]

  no get to your stations i can't believe [TS]

  i need to make sure everybody's fine i [TS]

  love i love that the whole empire [TS]

  imperial troops are in the base and [TS]

  she's she's holding out until they sort [TS]

  of like can convince her to go the scene [TS]

  where Darth Vader is now I mean he's [TS]

  walking down that corridor the IC [TS]

  quarter have been that such I mean just [TS]

  the image of that it's like oh jeez [TS]

  right here right where I wanted on one [TS]

  corridor the this it collapses he wants [TS]

  to place like he owns ok he's like he's [TS]

  not he's not creeping around checking [TS]

  around corners he's walking in those you [TS]

  got the creepy snow troopers to write [TS]

  like you have the creepy the sort of the [TS]

  Stormtrooper to have the white like yeah [TS]

  I don't think nazi-like Nazis her [TS]

  flippers there kk yeah they're like [TS]

  super happy [TS]

  then Hans like well I'm gonna take Leila [TS]

  to the to transport number it collapses [TS]

  so I she's got to go with him [TS]

  darn and some of he keep radius we [TS]

  totally rigged that corridor collapse [TS]

  chewy is he knows everything was going [TS]

  ok so let's let's take a second speak of [TS]

  you know i love the scene where they're [TS]

  in the docking bay right there running [TS]

  you know [TS]

  30 after all first guess where are you [TS]

  going you know if you're traveling along [TS]

  after them and then eat the you know i [TS]

  love that the urgency in that scene so [TS]

  hehe like they run into the into the [TS]

  hangar bay and they're like they're like [TS]

  sprinting right they got to get into the [TS]

  future since the Darth Vader is like [TS]

  right behind them and they're running [TS]

  they're running really fast and Darth [TS]

  Vader is walking slowly and catching [TS]

  light of it spits pepe le pew and so and [TS]

  so forth repeal gets on and i love the [TS]

  fact that you the ramp starts to go up [TS]

  while he's still on the ramp right like [TS]

  they're getting the hell out of there [TS]

  and so you know they flip everything on [TS]

  and in one of my favorite moments in [TS]

  that entire movie clip all the fucking [TS]

  on the falken on and because hongos way [TS]

  of what influence he doesn't want any [TS]

  thing but and and also Threepio is [TS]

  trying to talk to him trying to make her [TS]

  money that he turns to 3p oh what's up [TS]

  as one puts up one finger looks that I'm [TS]

  no dialogue and then you get a [TS]

  screenshot of a good and I don't even [TS]

  know that couldn't have been in the [TS]

  script that's just that's just Harrison [TS]

  Ford going I'm going to give you three [TS]

  people look I'm going to put one finger [TS]

  and then going to go on [TS]

  I mean I and I think the falken again [TS]

  just speaking you know the fuckin is [TS]

  just a character in and of itself more [TS]

  in this movie then then in either the [TS]

  others i think but in this movie it's [TS]

  it's such an integral part of the [TS]

  character and you know they even [TS]

  reference it later on my character I [TS]

  don't know where your ship learned to [TS]

  communicate you know I I think that's [TS]

  great and I love her as a character you [TS]

  know I've got a few extra surprises and [TS]

  that little gun comes out of the bag [TS]

  help i got out and pushed it might I [TS]

  love that line and then little gun part [TS]

  that comes out people enjoyed shoots a [TS]

  bunch of the story of true price and [TS]

  they're all kinda got a he's got that [TS]

  thing [TS]

  wow i just i don't know i like i love [TS]

  anything in the falken is is awesome [TS]

  yeah but it's also a mass right it is [TS]

  like it will definitely was created [TS]

  apart and and and there's like that big [TS]

  like control panel and Hans flipping all [TS]

  the switches like oh I hope this works [TS]

  you know where he clearly knows exactly [TS]

  what's going on but you know he'll [TS]

  figure [TS]

  yeah make it work somehow i mean i think [TS]

  that's what I wasn't happy when it works [TS]

  like see I love that's what I love about [TS]

  the volcano is it she's not reliable [TS]

  right it would be so easy if like the [TS]

  ship with the deus ex machina right I [TS]

  gotta fuckin always get them out of [TS]

  those jams right you know no worries [TS]

  it's the fastest hunk of junk in the [TS]

  galaxy and yet it breaks down a lot [TS]

  well most sports cars are like that [TS]

  right it's fast but it's not reliable [TS]

  right well but it's also cobbled [TS]

  together right because he's sort of [TS]

  tweaked everything and you know [TS]

  hot-rodded right on baby hold together [TS]

  there's great rhythm to the same to wear [TS]

  their have to enter cut between the [TS]

  dialogue which is snappy and talking [TS]

  about the thing and the physical comedy [TS]

  of getting the thing to start and the [TS]

  being chased by Darth Vader walking down [TS]

  the hallway and shooting the [TS]

  stormtroopers like that's all sliced [TS]

  together and so that it just flows [TS]

  nicely with the dialogue and and the [TS]

  little snippets and then and then [TS]

  combining their escape [TS]

  that's not easy to do that's not easy [TS]

  filmmaking when you have there's a lot [TS]

  going on where you have to cut back and [TS]

  forth between them in a way that doesn't [TS]

  kill the rhythm of the dialogue but lets [TS]

  you know exactly what's going on you [TS]

  know it's it's not easy to do because [TS]

  you see it done so poorly and for [TS]

  example episode 1 which was just [TS]

  reference yes I are [TS]

  yeah I read you that negatively but yes [TS]

  yeah timing and editing are two things [TS]

  that this movie has in spades [TS]

  I brought I brought up episode one [TS]

  specifically because it is you know the [TS]

  I think there's a parallel there about [TS]

  these Imperial assaults and and how too [TS]

  much sort of disclosure outside of where [TS]

  you really want to focus which is on the [TS]

  base [TS]

  yes you could see the troops massing and [TS]

  all of that but it's better if you don't [TS]

  actually know it takes away the rhythm [TS]

  it's one of those things that show you [TS]

  can nitpick in your head and you can be [TS]

  frustrated about but it doesn't actually [TS]

  take away from the enjoyment of the [TS]

  movie it's just one of those things [TS]

  where you think about it afterwards you [TS]

  like take it on faith you're like well [TS]

  obviously they landed outside the shield [TS]

  and are sending these guys in okay all [TS]

  right order without sure it works so [TS]

  we've spent we spent up to this point [TS]

  it's like 40-50 minutes into the movie [TS]

  we spent this time on the snow planet [TS]

  with these white scenes and then we [TS]

  finally get Luke back into an x-wing [TS]

  back in his orange explain suit back [TS]

  into space and the decrease in [TS]

  brightness from the movie screen at that [TS]

  point when he finally goes into space in [TS]

  the x-wing and the music mellows out and [TS]

  is [TS]

  starfield and r2 and the beeping it's [TS]

  just such a relaxed a visual relief from [TS]

  the first big set piece battle type [TS]

  thing it's like back to the familiar [TS]

  back to look in an x-wing and relaxing [TS]

  it's like a breather moment I starfield [TS]

  that's what i think of star wars that [TS]

  explains on a startling then we cut back [TS]

  to one by the way has not doing so hot [TS]

  right [TS]

  can I just I want to say one thing about [TS]

  that about Luke's exit where he's like [TS]

  all right i'll see you at the rendezvous [TS]

  point then they get out into the the [TS]

  clear black of space is like no artoo [TS]

  we're not actually going to the [TS]

  rendezvous point RP was like what is [TS]

  like no no we're going to take about his [TS]

  little green where he communicates yes [TS]

  but the thing I love the most about that [TS]

  is that his little aside to r 2 or r2 [TS]

  asks and pursues like I can autopilot [TS]

  you there and and he's like no no Billy [TS]

  doesn't really trust yeah I like no we [TS]

  just go to the around a room you just [TS]

  take a nap and I'll get us to dega get [TS]

  bigger haha yeah the rendezvous that's [TS]

  way too late if a droid could raise an [TS]

  eyebrow skeptically are two would be a [TS]

  yeah exactly [TS]

  alright I'm going to stop us press the [TS]

  pause button because we have so much to [TS]

  say about the Empire Strikes Back that [TS]

  we just can't fit it in one podcast so [TS]

  I'm going to ask wait there's a [TS]

  cliffhanger yes it's like the old [TS]

  cereals that the Star Wars movies [TS]

  modeled after there's a weird to go we [TS]

  finish talking about actually this is [TS]

  the point where Dan Morgan is frozen in [TS]

  carbonite and does not return until late [TS]

  in the next year just trying to shut me [TS]

  out like that we're at the dates again [TS]

  did you come back and talk about this [TS]

  again next week [TS]

  oh wait sorry i wasn't that we got sound [TS]

  of dat carbonite are you can you can you [TS]

  put in that sound back after the editor [TS]

  carbon sorry I'm getting ahead of myself [TS]

  yes I would be delighted to come back [TS]

  and continue talking about John syracuse [TS]

  I know you'll be back [TS]

  always 50 what cannot be done uh-huh and [TS]

  it's already called well thank you for [TS]

  sharing your perspective and and i would [TS]

  like you to come back next week if [TS]

  you're willing i am willing indeed [TS]

  considerate alright i'll consider great [TS]

  so stay tuned next week for more of the [TS]

  incomparable and the empire strikes back [TS]

  until then I'm Jason Snell thanks again [TS]

  for listening [TS]

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