The Incomparable

66: Regular People Like Us

 

  the incomparable contest number 66 [TS]

  November 2011 [TS]

  welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

  podcast i'm dan moore and sitting in for [TS]

  Jason Snell we are convening once again [TS]

  our book club this week we're discussing [TS]

  ready player one by Ernest Cline and [TS]

  with me i have an elite group of [TS]

  panelists i am joined by scott McNulty [TS]

  hello dad [TS]

  insert random eighties reference here I [TS]

  I see you came prepared [TS]

  I did in addition we are joined by John [TS]

  siracusa hi John little bit sleepy [TS]

  tonight Dan but maybe my anger or wake [TS]

  me up [TS]

  we are also have Monty Ashley hi Monty [TS]

  hello [TS]

  intruder alert is that a video game that [TS]

  was in this book if not it's the only [TS]

  one that wasn't you could have just said [TS]

  video game in this book and then we will [TS]

  with laughed knowingly haha [TS]

  and of course serenity Caldwell Iran hi [TS]

  our topic tonight as i mentioned ready [TS]

  player one by Ernest Cline this is I i [TS]

  think this may be his first book but he [TS]

  is a screenwriter I believe he wrote a [TS]

  movie fan boys as i recall which [TS]

  surprisingly enough is about science [TS]

  fiction and geeks who would have seen it [TS]

  coming but ready player one is a scifi [TS]

  books said in the i guess you could say [TS]

  the near future [TS]

  it seems to borrow from pretty much [TS]

  every property if you're within the age [TS]

  of what say 2240 maybe like every single [TS]

  thing that you grew up with seems to [TS]

  have found its way into this book [TS]

  somehow does that make it a good book [TS]

  doesn't make it a band does it just make [TS]

  it a book i guess we'll see [TS]

  so to start off I thought we talked a [TS]

  little bit about the story of the book [TS]

  itself and then we can we can delve a [TS]

  little more into the the numerous [TS]

  limoges but the story sort of follows [TS]

  this this young guy [TS]

  Wade we learn about him through this [TS]

  massively multiplayer online game [TS]

  that he plays which may sound like other [TS]

  massively multiplayer online games but [TS]

  there seemed to be a it seems to be one [TS]

  big metaverse style world in the in the [TS]

  in the ways of william gibson and neal [TS]

  stephenson and I i will start off by [TS]

  saying that I thought the the [TS]

  introduction part of this book where [TS]

  that story is laid out for us was [TS]

  somewhat horrific and almost made me put [TS]

  the book down horrific and waterway dan [TS]

  I think it was I think they'd be the [TS]

  information dump aspect of it not the [TS]

  ideas the ideas were fine i mean the [TS]

  ideas we seem like science fiction the [TS]

  kind of stuff that were used to but it [TS]

  was all shoveled at you so quickly that [TS]

  I got bored because i felt like i was [TS]

  reading you know like a history book for [TS]

  something that never happened [TS]

  well you know he just wanted to get all [TS]

  that information out of the way so we [TS]

  could delve really into his characters [TS]

  and tell us about their backstories and [TS]

  yeah I asking inside their head exactly [TS]

  richly paint them or just reference [TS]

  eighties movies a lot you so I'm I'm [TS]

  getting the feeling that you guys feel [TS]

  similarly about so at you know as [TS]

  someone who has never written any real [TS]

  fiction and doesn't write anything I [TS]

  think there's something that everybody [TS]

  knows about the craft of writing fiction [TS]

  even if you've never written any fiction [TS]

  i never tried to write infections like [TS]

  one rule that people know and this book [TS]

  dances on its little gray from what is [TS]

  that rule show don't tell [TS]

  for the love of God people this book is [TS]

  like a giant exercise and what not to do [TS]

  and did the first little part the damage [TS]

  talking about what did you do [TS]

  he tells you a bunch of stuff it's like [TS]

  I don't I don't want you to tell me show [TS]

  me show me this cool world that you have [TS]

  don't tell me everything about it and it [TS]

  just never stops [TS]

  I would have really loved if there had [TS]

  been a way to just frame it so that the [TS]

  entire story is just holidays video the [TS]

  prelude and then we have to get the [TS]

  information from there instead it's [TS]

  holidays video along with oh let me tell [TS]

  you all the backstory about holidays [TS]

  video let me tell you about holiday [TS]

  oh let me also tell you about the world [TS]

  it just doesn't quite work the way you [TS]

  wanted to a lot of telling it reads [TS]

  original I mean of course client like I [TS]

  said you know he was a screenwriter and [TS]

  i think it is summer reads not so much [TS]

  like a screen look like a synopsis right [TS]

  like the premise like [TS]

  right so here's my concept it's a world [TS]

  where there's a big video game and [TS]

  everybody's looking for this one [TS]

  easter egg that's inside the video game [TS]

  how and then it's like it's got like the [TS]

  end is like he wrote the entire [TS]

  wikipedia like or it's a bad voiceover [TS]

  in a world where voiceover the trailer [TS]

  voiceover for the first scene of the [TS]

  movie before you get to the actual movie [TS]

  but nothing that is really the point of [TS]

  the book the idea is to get into a world [TS]

  where you're obsessive memorization of [TS]

  Monty Python actually matters all geeked [TS]

  streams yeah we basically all kind of [TS]

  hope right that all this random data [TS]

  that we've acquired over the many many [TS]

  years that we've been alive will come in [TS]

  handy someday somehow and in this world [TS]

  in some ways the geeks you know are the [TS]

  ultimate class because they are the ones [TS]

  who have all this esoteric knowledge [TS]

  yeah practicing joust for hours and [TS]

  learning how to get through store in 15 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  that was an important skill that's gonna [TS]

  pay off at some point it's it's this [TS]

  book reads a little bit like like like [TS]

  cognitive dissonance reduction or [TS]

  something like this like I didn't waste [TS]

  my childhood these skills have used see [TS]

  mom I could be a I could be a superhero [TS]

  it would be getting out the geek mine [TS]

  repels repels of the idea that they need [TS]

  this such a vast world of things that [TS]

  geeks do that this book in this contest [TS]

  can necessarily only include tiny subset [TS]

  of them and the odds of that subset [TS]

  exactly overlapping with your particular [TS]

  subset of basically zero so the only [TS]

  thing that's believe bonus is that the [TS]

  Sixers could have a vast network of [TS]

  highly paid people who cumulatively [TS]

  could have these skills and they didn't [TS]

  waste their sales but individually the [TS]

  odds of any individual one person having [TS]

  the scales let alone like the three or [TS]

  four good guys all knowing exactly these [TS]

  specific things that human brain can't [TS]

  hold that much information you know well [TS]

  the the point of the whole beginning [TS]

  prologue right is that they they [TS]

  obsessively study what holiday they [TS]

  study but you can't you just can't this [TS]

  too much you just can't study that [TS]

  matter is it's it's the there there are [TS]

  the script they are led by the script to [TS]

  have memorize these particular movies [TS]

  news but not actually they've memorized [TS]

  every moving it is also a photographic [TS]

  memories it's you know [TS]

  so in the future yes I've nearly spent [TS]

  my life learning exactly what these [TS]

  characters have learned but I can't go [TS]

  play pac-man and get a perfect score [TS]

  just because I on your first try [TS]

  yeah but well that's because you're not [TS]

  trying hard enough ah well that's [TS]

  because that's because you're not [TS]

  trapped in the story where every single [TS]

  thing that happens has happened for an [TS]

  obvious reason its television stars like [TS]

  I wonder why this packing able that be [TS]

  important now certainly not rule I i [TS]

  have to say remind me a little bit i was [TS]

  watching at a friend's house a kung fu [TS]

  movie the other night and this is a this [TS]

  come from movie from the seventies it [TS]

  was awesome and by awesome i mean [TS]

  terrible but the end up the the moral of [TS]

  the story ended up being that this this [TS]

  random sort of chinese kung foo kid this [TS]

  cube and studying it like under his [TS]

  father accidentally challenges like all [TS]

  the greatest masters of Japanese kungfu [TS]

  and like all the great masters of [TS]

  Japanese kungfu show up and somehow this [TS]

  random kid beats all of them with in all [TS]

  their various disciplines it was the [TS]

  main character you see that's how it [TS]

  works the more the camera points that [TS]

  you the more powerful you are [TS]

  it should have been obvious to me so to [TS]

  develop the plot a little bit so those [TS]

  who are falling on haven't read the book [TS]

  and who may now never read i liked it i [TS]

  I you know that i enjoyed as well but [TS]

  the to sort of spell of the world [TS]

  basically there's this massively [TS]

  multiplayer online game in which the [TS]

  Creator james halliday has hidden [TS]

  various easter eggs that will sort of [TS]

  lead people on this treasure hunt at the [TS]

  end of which they'll come into [TS]

  unimaginable power of course and of [TS]

  course everything is locked into all [TS]

  these geek culture references movies TV [TS]

  shows video games from the eighties [TS]

  because that's the time when the [TS]

  inventor grew up so our main character [TS]

  is a huge geek who is really into all [TS]

  these subject areas and is trained and [TS]

  you'll memorize all this in the hopes [TS]

  that he can find this easter egg which [TS]

  of course he never does in the book is [TS]

  really boring and ends [TS]

  wait no that's not this book okay that [TS]

  would have been too sad i'm curious as [TS]

  to what you guys thought about the sort [TS]

  of the moments that we spend outside of [TS]

  the game in this future which looks [TS]

  pretty grim [TS]

  talk of her moment about the stacks [TS]

  because trying to imagine that visually [TS]

  gives me a son can you can you explain [TS]

  what that yeah so the stacks it there [TS]

  are is where our main character grows up [TS]

  and it's basically from what I can [TS]

  gather it's that the the cities of the [TS]

  United States and of the world are still [TS]

  you know fairly five functioning things [TS]

  however power and and various other you [TS]

  know important livelihood type things [TS]

  have basically died out everywhere [TS]

  that's not a major city so people drove [TS]

  their RVs and their mobile homes and [TS]

  their trailers in an attempt to try and [TS]

  get near the big cities and then failed [TS]

  and so they decided to stack their [TS]

  mobile homes on top of each other and [TS]

  create virtual apartments and it [TS]

  it all sounds very dangerous and very I [TS]

  every time there's a couple chapters [TS]

  where we're in the stacks and every time [TS]

  i'm reading about the stacks I feel like [TS]

  I'm about to step on something with [TS]

  tetanus and it [TS]

  that's what I felt like in their heat [TS]

  our main character has a place to sort [TS]

  of hide away thats in this junkyard in [TS]

  this old van that's like half crushed [TS]

  and that's what I kept thinking was you [TS]

  know the same the same idea of this [TS]

  seems really really dangerous and [TS]

  alternatively also reminded me of [TS]

  anybody who ever read The Three [TS]

  Investigators they had a trailer that [TS]

  was buried in a junkyard which was [TS]

  awesome I totally won i remember that i [TS]

  decide you just activated a memory [TS]

  achievement unlocked they had a [TS]

  chauffeur that drove them everywhere all [TS]

  the trailers are all stacked up there [TS]

  the better to blow up my dear [TS]

  yes true because what wouldn't be [TS]

  complete with a giant evil corporation [TS]

  blowing stuff up by topic like dominoes [TS]

  in the movie adaptation just wait [TS]

  they are so essentially yes oh so our [TS]

  hero does manage to sort of be the first [TS]

  one who unlocks it part of this this [TS]

  mystery and he comes across up against [TS]

  this major corporation that is as John [TS]

  was talking about earlier that sort of [TS]

  assembled all this raw talent to try and [TS]

  you know cheat the system or less and [TS]

  they essentially blow up his home with [TS]

  his family for remote remains of his [TS]

  family in it but that's okay because we [TS]

  didn't really like them anyway we did [TS]

  like the downstairs neighbor in that one [TS]

  yeah we felt bad for her for about the [TS]

  page and a half [TS]

  that was a weird I mean even even the [TS]

  thing with like the well the answer is [TS]

  really awful the Anthony lives with is [TS]

  really awful that's still it was such a [TS]

  bizarre choice to be like I'm just gonna [TS]

  kill these people often really no [TS]

  conscious yet they went right from like [TS]

  from future world video game into murder [TS]

  like that transition was not smooth [TS]

  I think that's still just pure geek [TS]

  wish-fulfillment though because they [TS]

  stole his computer wouldn't let him go [TS]

  online so naturally they must die [TS]

  I wish our corporation would blow to my [TS]

  mom up about my trouble since Cinderella [TS]

  would have done the same thing they took [TS]

  her laptop that's always been so then we [TS]

  enter into this strange period where our [TS]

  character sort of goes on the run but [TS]

  he's much more well outfitted now [TS]

  because he's become this at least in the [TS]

  virtual world the celebrity so he sold [TS]

  himself out to sponsorships [TS]

  I mean that sounds like the future to me [TS]

  that that whole thing especially right [TS]

  after he finds the first key and then he [TS]

  gets the opportunity from the big giant [TS]

  corporation to come join them and be [TS]

  their head and he tells them to screw [TS]

  off and then they blow up his trailer [TS]

  and then go to survive he sells himself [TS]

  to all kinds of companies and it just it [TS]

  it felt a little i mean i understand why [TS]

  it's necessary and context of the book [TS]

  but it felt very much like yes I am I am [TS]

  totally badass i'm going to be on a [TS]

  sneaker company and a milk carton now [TS]

  and I'm totally above light [TS]

  I'm above retribution and I'm above you [TS]

  know finger-pointing with it with a [TS]

  sneaker company and the milk carton [TS]

  different things because like milk [TS]

  cartons because he's like missing and [TS]

  it's not him it's his avatar and you [TS]

  know you know and have a target never be [TS]

  copied because there's no way to copy [TS]

  the amount of the American avatar know [TS]

  whatever do that would've been more [TS]

  realistic they all agreed to pay him but [TS]

  that is paypal account got frozen for [TS]

  fraud and he was never get there we'll [TS]

  get any money because he couldn't get [TS]

  through human to do the resolution it's [TS]

  also extremely convenient that the first [TS]

  key that he goes looking for happens to [TS]

  be on the only planet that he can [TS]

  actually get to [TS]

  justify that in my head I figured out [TS]

  that naturally the keys would have to be [TS]

  on a planet that holiday had created so [TS]

  naturally it's not going to be on one of [TS]

  these far-flung new plan well they did [TS]

  they justified like crazy in the book [TS]

  they were like kinda makes sense you see [TS]

  because it's gonna be that's a near [TS]

  school and have to be someplace because [TS]

  you wanted two kids find it was a kid [TS]

  like it they went they bent over [TS]

  backwards to justify that was the least [TS]

  of his first key it doesn't bother me [TS]

  because again we are reading a book [TS]

  where presumably things happen and for [TS]

  the main character you know presumably [TS]

  there's a reason why we're following [TS]

  this kid so I can it's like charlie and [TS]

  the chocolate factory right once to get [TS]

  into the world of crazy solving puzzles [TS]

  i have no problem with whatever deus ex [TS]

  machina you want to invent so all right [TS]

  he finds the key because it's the only [TS]

  plan to visit great he lived he goes to [TS]

  a perfect school because no one can [TS]

  bully him because he's in virtual world [TS]

  fine that that all works for me it's its [TS]

  subsequent layers that where things [TS]

  begin a little interesting interesting [TS]

  is one way of putting it i think so did [TS]

  it did anyone else find it like speaking [TS]

  of the other keys it's not the first the [TS]

  second or third key they made a lot of [TS]

  especially the first key but even the [TS]

  second one a lot of like all these these [TS]

  experts especially the Sixers and [TS]

  everything racking their brains trying [TS]

  to figure out like they just can't get a [TS]

  foothold they don't even know where to [TS]

  begin they're just making not making any [TS]

  progress every one of them if you knew [TS]

  any part of the reference you're like oh [TS]

  yeah I think that's probably the you [TS]

  know something to do with the name of [TS]

  the DNG module and you know i got the [TS]

  first one the two before yeah [TS]

  and-and-and suppose the second one again [TS]

  I forgotten already [TS]

  I think the second one was or yes the [TS]

  second one also was like you know I'd [TS]

  not that I'm saying I solved me that I [TS]

  knew exactly what it was because he [TS]

  couldn't there was enough information [TS]

  that really but I I had an inkling I [TS]

  knew what I know what references they [TS]

  were making and how it manifests right [TS]

  and it's hard to believe how hard to [TS]

  believe that these super experts would [TS]

  just be totally stumped and not know [TS]

  where to go and be missing the obvious [TS]

  well not just that but I mean you see [TS]

  how many people you know today come up [TS]

  with the you know tell in document every [TS]

  possible little obscure thing in the [TS]

  world right just type the closing to [TS]

  google and he'll get how there's no [TS]

  google in the future John yeah right [TS]

  google [TS]

  Scott there's only oasis I mean I work [TS]

  at the company that makes dnd and i [TS]

  still play text adventures so those [TS]

  Clues didn't even read as close to me [TS]

  was oh tomb of horrors [TS]

  oh dork i know that's that's something [TS]

  like that they're trying to balance it [TS]

  when you're writing the book you don't [TS]

  want it to be so obscure that the [TS]

  average reader is gonna be like no human [TS]

  could have gotten that but on the other [TS]

  hand you don't have to be super easy and [TS]

  I felt like if this book is aimed the [TS]

  geeks every gig had some piece of [TS]

  knowledge they're like well that seems [TS]

  like it's going to be this thing it's [TS]

  the thing that makes it hard to set up [TS]

  right because the idea is supposed to be [TS]

  bye-bye premise alone right [TS]

  he's were locked into a world where [TS]

  nobody has found this thing yet right so [TS]

  I I think we're kind of stuck in that [TS]

  regard so it's really hard to pass that [TS]

  bar as the author and be like here's why [TS]

  it's so hard you know in a brainteaser [TS]

  fashion for everybody to have figured it [TS]

  out maybe they should just put a lot of [TS]

  guns around it or something it's kind of [TS]

  like scripting comedy show right where [TS]

  your show it like twice the joke why [TS]

  studio 60 failed is that the comedy on [TS]

  the behind-the-scenes comedy show wasn't [TS]

  actually funny it's the same basic [TS]

  principle we're all right i need these [TS]

  clues to be hard but at the same time [TS]

  they need to be brilliant and there's a [TS]

  certain level where the clues are fun [TS]

  but they're not they're not you know the [TS]

  hardest cryptography or puzzle that I've [TS]

  ever come across and that's maybe where [TS]

  we run into trouble that's the danger [TS]

  with using real information because had [TS]

  had this all been synthetic you know [TS]

  total fantasy world no relation to our [TS]

  own then you can make very clever [TS]

  puzzles you don't have to account for [TS]

  you don't you don't have to account for [TS]

  the varying levels of knowledge in the [TS]

  reader because all your readers have [TS]

  zero knowledge about your new world but [TS]

  if it's like yeah that's what's our [TS]

  world but I really now you're kind of [TS]

  screwed but as it is I jump right past [TS]

  our brilliant protagonist say Oh tomb of [TS]

  horrors and then I get mad because to [TS]

  move forward was actually reprinted in [TS]

  different editions for 2nd edition D&D [TS]

  and 3.5 with which version is it so what [TS]

  you're saying is the books not geeky and [TS]

  now [TS]

  not to mention that likes of the rules [TS]

  of Oasis are probably not you know [TS]

  standard D&D rules if you're going to [TS]

  open the door to super geeky stuff you [TS]

  absolutely have to get it right you [TS]

  better know it's going to come in [TS]

  otherwise you're asking for this kind of [TS]

  complaint it is true now I knew I was in [TS]

  trouble with the first clue when I knew [TS]

  the answer and I thought okay so he's [TS]

  written this book about really geeky [TS]

  things so that geeks like me will buy it [TS]

  and then he wrote this clue so that [TS]

  geeks like me could solve it easily so [TS]

  we would feel special and he's pandering [TS]

  to me and now I hate him [TS]

  it's just a it's just a set of dominoes [TS]

  not going over right there it's true and [TS]

  then I I didn't like the book from them [TS]

  because every reference I thought more [TS]

  pandering I hate this guy but I think [TS]

  Jason made this a comment and I'll often [TS]

  for him he was like the pandering it's [TS]

  it annoyed me to the same reasons and [TS]

  Scott but the thing about it is and I [TS]

  didn't think this would happen to me but [TS]

  it did like three quarters with a bucket [TS]

  like an hour and reference reference [TS]

  reference reference reference what [TS]

  they're trying to do is like the night [TS]

  and when you see an interesting [TS]

  references like oh wow you know I didn't [TS]

  think anyone knew their reverence with [TS]

  me but these were so common like who [TS]

  doesn't know all these things like first [TS]

  bueller's day off thats obscure right [TS]

  our John Hughes movies or whatever herbs [TS]

  here in the dark future jail [TS]

  well you know i know they didn't talk [TS]

  about pandering to the readers but then [TS]

  finally towards the end he threw in a [TS]

  reference in like hey I didn't think [TS]

  other people knew about that like he got [TS]

  me with one out and soon as i read my [TS]

  damn you know 8950 references later one [TS]

  of them finally lands that I don't [TS]

  discount the rest of you Father and [TS]

  right into my trap and it was a it was [TS]

  black tiger the arcade game that I [TS]

  played way too much of that very few [TS]

  other people at least in my group of [TS]

  friends even knew the game existed miss [TS]

  this game only existed in the lobby [TS]

  outside modells it wasn't even in it [TS]

  wasn't even that in the actual video [TS]

  okay that I used to go to go to Modell's [TS]

  just play black tiger as you can see i [TS]

  enjoyed having a barrage of references [TS]

  all things that i love and then I got [TS]

  mad when i got to the chapter about rush [TS]

  because i don't like ride [TS]

  I don't recognize this at all something [TS]

  went wrong with my book [TS]

  yes and then he plays an interlude on a [TS]

  different if you had an older brother [TS]

  who was born in 10 years earlier than [TS]

  you you know if you shake the book a few [TS]

  times this little shuffle it up for you [TS]

  get sticks why wasn't it dr. Demento [TS]

  song definite you know I agree with [TS]

  Monty I i mean i have my criticisms of [TS]

  the book and I have places like one [TS]

  looking back on it I'm like a but the [TS]

  first I want to say the first love the [TS]

  books broken up into levels the first [TS]

  level i could not stop grinning because [TS]

  as absurd as it was and all of the [TS]

  references and although so it's [TS]

  post-apocalyptic world and there and yet [TS]

  they can all play this crazy video game [TS]

  in and final time into it [TS]

  all that aside it's really fun [TS]

  it's it's the kind of book where you [TS]

  don't have to concentrate a whole lot to [TS]

  figure out what's going on so you can [TS]

  bring it really fast and just be like oh [TS]

  yeah playing video games i feel like i'm [TS]

  12 again and that kind of highest kinda [TS]

  is fun it's not necessarily world [TS]

  literature but it was still a lot of [TS]

  know or you could just play a video game [TS]

  I wanted to say something about one of [TS]

  the parts of the book that I actually [TS]

  kind of liked which is so about midway [TS]

  through are our hero has removed himself [TS]

  to its cleveland right [TS]

  yes yeah mm-hmm this is how you can tell [TS]

  this book is fiction because cleveland [TS]

  is important well it was known as a [TS]

  holidays hometown that's why it wasn't [TS]

  there yes yes yeah well that's that's [TS]

  where their company that's where they [TS]

  help the company and that's where he [TS]

  goes so we can power and is good [TS]

  internet good internet yeah that's how [TS]

  you know he's not just Lord British and [TS]

  so he realizes at a certain point that [TS]

  he's going to be sort of stymied unless [TS]

  he can get in [TS]

  inside this corporation that is that is [TS]

  his main antagonist and so he sets up [TS]

  kind of up you know a scenario in which [TS]

  he ends up having to infiltrate them [TS]

  from the inside and get some information [TS]

  and get out and I kind of found that to [TS]

  be that might have been my [TS]

  my top five favorite part of the book [TS]

  with that I i really enjoyed those [TS]

  scenes that were you know because i felt [TS]

  like it took a little bit of a leap from [TS]

  the you know we were outside of the the [TS]

  game and we get a little more picture of [TS]

  this world that he lives in and [TS]

  particularly this this company and I [TS]

  thought that was really interesting [TS]

  I was just gonna say it reminds me of a [TS]

  terry gilliam's Brazil yes where you [TS]

  know they knocked on the door and take [TS]

  away because he is out of he's bankrupt [TS]

  or something and that he needs to enter [TS]

  into indentured servitude so he can [TS]

  repay his debt to his corporation and [TS]

  then he uses his mad hacker skills to [TS]

  figure out what's going on [TS]

  I love the idea by the way of indentured [TS]

  servitude due to credit card debt and [TS]

  I'm surprised that no major credit card [TS]

  corporation has figured out a way to do [TS]

  it yes this is not a political podcast [TS]

  no politics now I'm just amused by the [TS]

  idea as in science fiction book know as [TS]

  a science which ensure i mean you know [TS]

  it's not necessarily particularly [TS]

  original and so on right either but a it [TS]

  at least that was the part of which I [TS]

  felt from a plot perspective I actually [TS]

  felt there was some tension in this book [TS]

  well yeah because I mean you have him [TS]

  throwing basically throwing himself into [TS]

  a really sketchy situation whereas [TS]

  before it's like oh my virtual [TS]

  characters at stake but that's okay [TS]

  because I'm locked in this high tech [TS]

  room where everybody brings me my food [TS]

  and I have a virtual butler to make sure [TS]

  that i'm running and fit never used it [TS]

  really buff now [TS]

  yeah they're nerd fantasy right finally [TS]

  they'll find a fun way to get fit in in [TS]

  that world it's really it's very sterile [TS]

  and you and you do you step away from [TS]

  the game world so you're not being [TS]

  bashed with references every 10 minutes [TS]

  and I feel like it actually gives [TS]

  earnest clients writing a bit of a [TS]

  chance to breathe it's you know you're [TS]

  you're playing with actual plot [TS]

  developments here not just I missed a [TS]

  couple of references on top of each [TS]

  other and try and morph it into oh we're [TS]

  going forward he didn't necessarily have [TS]

  the crutch to lean on of the game and [TS]

  all the the 0 Maj but and like I said I [TS]

  felt like there was actually some [TS]

  tension here as opposed to like run was [TS]

  saying in in the game world where it [TS]

  seems like [TS]

  is the the what's at stake feels very [TS]

  vague in some way so if the bad guys get [TS]

  this will suck because they'll take over [TS]

  the game and I make everybody pay for it [TS]

  and capitalism is bad it's very very [TS]

  confusing what's at stake for about a [TS]

  hundred pages his life's in danger until [TS]

  the literal deus ex machina other [TS]

  founder of the company shows up and says [TS]

  you can all come to my super secure [TS]

  fortress [TS]

  it'll be fine hey guys its cool fly on [TS]

  my private too [TS]

  did anyone else picture him as he was [TS]

  the okay good thank you thank you [TS]

  because that's exactly what I imagined i [TS]

  read this book right after Steve Jobs [TS]

  died it was impossible not to think of [TS]

  that well let's let's a detour first [TS]

  going to talk about some of the other [TS]

  characters in the book since you brought [TS]

  up the great and powerful log but we we [TS]

  do have you know the character Wade is [TS]

  not easy he's got a couple friends who [TS]

  are helping out with this we have h [TS]

  who's his sort of only friend [TS]

  great you know is supposed to be his [TS]

  sort of kindred spirit and then we have [TS]

  Artemis was another hunter who is a a [TS]

  basically our love interest they don't [TS]

  get much more three dimensional that and [TS]

  that is about all those two japanese [TS]

  guys is actually kinda like I actually [TS]

  kind of like those guys even if they are [TS]

  kind of ridiculous and stereotypical I [TS]

  thought the interesting part of these [TS]

  other two hunters Amy to he assumes are [TS]

  brothers for the longest time of these [TS]

  two japanese hunters and I think you [TS]

  know I guess I was more interested when [TS]

  I found out like more about them you [TS]

  know the people who are playing their [TS]

  characters when that twister comes up [TS]

  later in the book that these two people [TS]

  had like never met in real life despite [TS]

  going around basically pretending to be [TS]

  brothers and this online world it that [TS]

  was more of an interesting dynamic to me [TS]

  but you know we don't spend a lot of [TS]

  time with them because they're kind of [TS]

  secondary did you guys have like it was [TS]

  there any characters that you felt that [TS]

  we were particularly liked or felt were [TS]

  well thought-out and well-drawn I like [TS]

  startimus before she got introduced as [TS]

  the love interest when she's talked [TS]

  about more as oh there's this really [TS]

  badass girl who is right you know who is [TS]

  writing all about this in her in her web [TS]

  blog and keeping updates and and so [TS]

  she's great until she cums on screen [TS]

  until when she comes on screen then it [TS]

  becomes I mean I don't get me wrong I [TS]

  enjoy coming some of the banter between [TS]

  her and the lead character and and she [TS]

  has a couple of nice moments but once it [TS]

  gets into the no we can't be together [TS]

  because what if we what if we don't find [TS]

  it before the Sixers do it's our oh I'm [TS]

  not as pretty and realize you don't know [TS]

  what i look like and what what's the [TS]

  reality she's exactly is pretty issues [TS]

  in real life she just has a scar or some [TS]

  kind of like birthday yeah birthmark but [TS]

  still those those are hideous [TS]

  yes yeah i think with was it that with h [TS]

  AI right kind of story that was going [TS]

  but I felt there was even a bigger cheat [TS]

  too just like it it's just I where I [TS]

  thought it was going to go on it was [TS]

  gonna be like well that she's real is as [TS]

  a girl obviously and it seems logically [TS]

  logical that should be in love with the [TS]

  main character but I don't know we don't [TS]

  want to have that kind of conflict so [TS]

  let's just make her lesbian [TS]

  it's like you dodged that bullet [TS]

  well and they they kind of they kind of [TS]

  sock away any chance of actually making [TS]

  that interesting if you know if they [TS]

  were actually wanted to make a one [TS]

  triangle with her an artifact bigger the [TS]

  inmate would make perfect sense that [TS]

  should be a girl masquerading as a guy [TS]

  to you know be friends with this person [TS]

  but that she would be you know that it [TS]

  would be a triangle situation but not [TS]

  United interest she just bout just past [TS]

  the newbie don't wanna i unduly burden [TS]

  weighed with any sophisticated [TS]

  complicated emotional situations [TS]

  well let's be fair we don't wanna we [TS]

  don't want to love triangle in this book [TS]

  anyway I we're talking about please [TS]

  assist the silly infatuation triangle [TS]

  whatever I still say Artemis has more [TS]

  dimension than most of the female [TS]

  characters in The Wise Man's Fear [TS]

  because she does have skills of her own [TS]

  she's cheap she makes choices on her are [TS]

  you socially disengages for silly [TS]

  romantic reasons it's because she wants [TS]

  to more or less concentrated on her work [TS]

  which is [TS]

  noble I'm sorry honey I have to [TS]

  concentrate on my blog [TS]

  well you know i just showed she's not [TS]

  just like a no I'm not sick and I shan't [TS]

  Emma center and she's like I've got work [TS]

  to do she's not she's not pine and she [TS]

  and she does stuff on her own she didn't [TS]

  need to be rescued in the NHL she finds [TS]

  the second key before anybody else know [TS]

  mhm no I mean they're they're definitely [TS]

  things about her character that I like I [TS]

  the interaction between the two main [TS]

  characters just kind of like yeah but [TS]

  she has she has good qualities [TS]

  h-has interesting qualities even though [TS]

  we they're all they're all very tertiary [TS]

  if the problem is is you you get these [TS]

  hints that these characters could [TS]

  actually be really really interesting [TS]

  but because the book is so very Wade [TS]

  focused you don't get much more than [TS]

  that [TS]

  well we're in his head so you like that [TS]

  regard we are sort of walked into him [TS]

  what about the the antagonists who the [TS]

  Sixers cardboard cutout uh so [TS]

  two-dimensional nothing going on but [TS]

  it's not literally [TS]

  yeah it's come on their the evil [TS]

  corporation and what did they do to show [TS]

  their evil they blow up a stack of [TS]

  trailers and they cheat in a game and [TS]

  they do everything possible to win [TS]

  unfairly Bob ya ever so not today all [TS]

  dress alike they have caring avatars [TS]

  it's true that's just offensive from [TS]

  this you know purely aesthetic you know [TS]

  they're evil their Stormtroopers they [TS]

  are ya era counts man you just don't [TS]

  know you don't know where that accounts [TS]

  been anything that's unsanitary true [TS]

  they have a starship so don't think [TS]

  writing so that's kind of cool end up [TS]

  planning they like a rude everybody gets [TS]

  a robot later on which is pretty awesome [TS]

  and so there are benefits to be evil but [TS]

  I wondered about the today or else what [TS]

  about the intellectual property is yes I [TS]

  was just going to say well that was [TS]

  exciting but there's obviously a movie [TS]

  adaptation of this coming and this is [TS]

  gonna be a nightmare from licensing [TS]

  perspective I think they'll just have [TS]

  everything from one property rights to [TS]

  do and I love you can keep making a [TS]

  movie yeah i don't know like GE and NBC [TS]

  owned enough things that surely you can [TS]

  just that's not our wizards of the coast [TS]

  not yet i mean you can write you can [TS]

  write a decent amount off on parody but [TS]

  that being said it's something its [TS]

  entirety when you're mouthing the words [TS]

  to Ferris Bueller it's not happening [TS]

  yeah that's seen it's gonna be hard to [TS]

  do but because we're gonna have to watch [TS]

  the entirety of Ferris Bueller inside [TS]

  its entirety of ready player one this [TS]

  movie's gonna be like eight hours long [TS]

  they do have that as a game now on [TS]

  connect it's just I just a scene and [TS]

  apparently it's really annoying to play [TS]

  more than once but I wondered how this [TS]

  actually worked in the world of the game [TS]

  because they have all these like they [TS]

  have the spaceships from like Firefly [TS]

  and Star Wars and Star Trek and it's [TS]

  like oh yeah intellectual property [TS]

  seized to exist for the same [TS]

  inexplicable reasons that all other [TS]

  values that we have today or disappeared [TS]

  once they ran out of gasoline [TS]

  I mean look at look at the mud that [TS]

  popped up in the eighties and the [TS]

  brushes I mean no one had the rights to [TS]

  create a star wars much for a cowboy [TS]

  bebop yes but that was text but I'm [TS]

  still saying it's the same its well but [TS]

  this this game is free to play this is [TS]

  this is a world-spanning right but it's [TS]

  the world it's the world but branching [TS]

  out of our world right look at city of [TS]

  heroes [TS]

  you can't even have a character named [TS]

  wolf are keen but doesn't he mentioned [TS]

  in the book that so everyone gets an [TS]

  oasis free oasis account right and then [TS]

  you your avatars kind of playing and you [TS]

  have to pay to get other cool stuff so [TS]

  one imagines if everyone in the world is [TS]

  playing oasis all these companies would [TS]

  license their property so that you know [TS]

  players could buy you know you know an [TS]

  enterprise for you know whatever a [TS]

  hundred bucks and then paramount get a [TS]

  hundred dollars or you know probably [TS]

  thirty percent or whatever would be so [TS]

  kind of I mean I don't know if he went [TS]

  into that detail in his head but i will [TS]

  assume he did and that is how it [TS]

  explains all of those things in the [TS]

  oasis [TS]

  I guess it's just a good thing that [TS]

  everyone of holidays childhood [TS]

  obsessions was owned by somebody who is [TS]

  willing to sign a license fee to this [TS]

  exactly i also thought it was strange [TS]

  that the most powerful person you know [TS]

  that we have this character holiday and [TS]

  I also thought it was weird that his his [TS]

  character in the game is named after [TS]

  like a jacket yeah and in some ways this [TS]

  whole week when I mean everything about [TS]

  this book is is basically a trope right [TS]

  like the plot the characters and the [TS]

  amaj and I guess you know it seems like [TS]

  it's one of those situations that should [TS]

  be a perfect storm of things that people [TS]

  like and yet it doesn't quite seem to [TS]

  succeed just community it doesn't have [TS]

  that one thing that people like which is [TS]

  a story is a story that keeps them [TS]

  guessing and I mean like with fine [TS]

  pandered to whatever but you want to you [TS]

  want to be kept like I'm i was going [TS]

  through the story but it was just you [TS]

  just saw where was going in there wasn't [TS]

  much surprised that's why the pacman [TS]

  steam so it out so much because there [TS]

  was so little in this thing that you [TS]

  knew kind of like in a movie that you [TS]

  know anything they show you it's like a [TS]

  wall you know that's gonna be [TS]

  significant is probably gonna save them [TS]

  in the end and because no one else is [TS]

  doing it like there wasn't enough stuff [TS]

  for you because it like a good mystery [TS]

  even a short little mystery although I [TS]

  mean enough stuff going on that you can [TS]

  immediately pick out a hobby when that [TS]

  guy came into the room put that thing [TS]

  down that was important because so much [TS]

  other stuff happens in the story and you [TS]

  wrapped up in the people in this thing [TS]

  it was just everything was just poking [TS]

  up out of the the ground really tall [TS]

  like here's this tower which is this [TS]

  plot point this power which is this plot [TS]

  point and it wasn't any meat on the [TS]

  bones you know you can't blame part of [TS]

  that on again [TS]

  ernest cline being a screenwriter first [TS]

  and foremost but I think also it reflect [TS]

  its kind of a microcosm of the eighties [TS]

  culture that represents because I feel [TS]

  reading the book I feel like it's going [TS]

  and watching like an eighties movie and [TS]

  it's necessary you know watching war [TS]

  games where war games isn't higher and a [TS]

  lot of its predictable but it's still [TS]

  careful careful youyou've anger John [TS]

  siracusa hear you [TS]

  hey war games is one of my favorite [TS]

  eighties movies it's a it's a two-hour [TS]

  movie you know it's it like this yes is [TS]

  a much longer than a screenplay but [TS]

  isn't much of it is a much longer book [TS]

  but i'd say it reads it reads like a [TS]

  two-hour movie for better or for well [TS]

  that's because it is a two hour [TS]

  will be and it's you know it's not the [TS]

  film has already been options so it's [TS]

  clear that he broke this and he is a [TS]

  screenwriter right so he wrote a screen [TS]

  play in book form and now it's going to [TS]

  be a movie and the movie is going to [TS]

  know and maybe even more so just out of [TS]

  curiosity debut seen fanboys yes i have [TS]

  some stories just to share of fanboys [TS]

  please Marty okay actually I want to [TS]

  tell a quick story about Ernie clients [TS]

  first screenplay which was a fan written [TS]

  script for the theoretical buckaroo [TS]

  banzai against the world crime Lee ok so [TS]

  this is not his first half at writing [TS]

  something full of fan references [TS]

  somewhere in the early nineties he got [TS]

  impatient because buckaroo banzai is a [TS]

  great movie and it claimed to have a [TS]

  sequel and it wasn't happening so he [TS]

  wrote one that kind of mash it together [TS]

  with big trouble in little china as you [TS]

  do and it's pretty fun I actually [TS]

  contacted them back then emailed him and [TS]

  told him I liked it [TS]

  a friend of mine did too and he put her [TS]

  hong kong couple your character into his [TS]

  script but not you [TS]

  now not you I'm sorry much he didn't [TS]

  like my uncle your character as much i [TS]

  maintain the name platinum cowboy is [TS]

  totally buckaroo banzai appropriate [TS]

  anyway for fanboys I don't know if [TS]

  people know this but the basic plot of [TS]

  fanboys is that people want to go see [TS]

  the phantom menace before it comes out [TS]

  because that's when people thought [TS]

  Phantom Menace was going to be a good [TS]

  movie [TS]

  so these band of geeks getting a van [TS]

  they go cross-country and they break [TS]

  into Lucasfilm and I think they get [TS]

  caught and they see the movie what's [TS]

  weird is that the movie as made cuts out [TS]

  an essential plot element which is that [TS]

  one of them is dying of cancer [TS]

  yeah I've heard the story at us well and [TS]

  that's that was actually that actually [TS]

  is [TS]

  I i would call that being in the version [TS]

  that i saw i thought they put that back [TS]

  i thought he basically held out until [TS]

  they put it back in because it was it [TS]

  was a big deal like i remember them [TS]

  going back and forth about like whether [TS]

  or not to take out this plot because i [TS]

  remember seeing it with some friends and [TS]

  like saying like telling the Masters [TS]

  like oh yeah they wanted to cut that [TS]

  whole thing out there like that makes no [TS]

  sense without like the movie has no plot [TS]

  without without that but when i saw it [TS]

  didn't have that in [TS]

  I may have to go back and watch it again [TS]

  as the version i saw was just people [TS]

  decide to go break in and see the movie [TS]

  a week early for no reason which seemed [TS]

  odd [TS]

  yeah which is which is a week a week 1 [TS]

  this little bit anyway what's especially [TS]

  odd about the movie is that these sound [TS]

  was done by THX sound so Ernie actually [TS]

  got to go to Skywalker Ranch where THX [TS]

  sound is located in a giant barn and he [TS]

  was walked very carefully because [TS]

  apparently somebody who's written a [TS]

  script about people breaking into [TS]

  Lucasfilm is not entirely trusted while [TS]

  walking around loose on Skywalker Ranch [TS]

  I'm going to call his star wars [TS]

  credentials into question that always [TS]

  the events section where he talked about [TS]

  that he had gone through all the Holy [TS]

  trilogy with Lord of the Rings the [TS]

  matrix and stuff like that all the one [TS]

  of the ones listed with Star Wars and he [TS]

  says you're supposed to watch the [TS]

  original and prequel trilogy in that [TS]

  order and the fact that he telling you [TS]

  to watch the prequels at all [TS]

  Matt right now now I i actually just [TS]

  consult wikipedia tour by myself and i [TS]

  did now i recall this so basically the [TS]

  director [TS]

  they took my cancer story line out and [TS]

  then before they released it they gave [TS]

  the director 36 hours to react it back [TS]

  in which he did and it was released with [TS]

  that in a release there was a release [TS]

  with it [TS]

  oh my it was it's it's not it's it's [TS]

  actually a pretty good movie I i would I [TS]

  thought it's pretty entertaining I mean [TS]

  clearly it's from a guy's huge stars [TS]

  heard it also has one of the best ending [TS]

  lines of any movie so I each clearly [TS]

  this is you know he this is a guy with a [TS]

  lot of appreciation for for pop culture [TS]

  I guess what get stabbed me in the end [TS]

  is the the curiosity of whether he has [TS]

  anything sort of his own to say because [TS]

  I feel like everything he does [TS]

  piggybacks on this and if you strip away [TS]

  all those so much like another another [TS]

  series III really love that that is big [TS]

  on the lodges is spaced which is a show [TS]

  that it is a sitcom which is slightly [TS]

  different but there's a lot of a margin [TS]

  there but it it somehow is only adds to [TS]

  its in service of its own story that's [TS]

  telling about people [TS]

  I I mean there's there's if you clip [TS]

  that out it would the story would still [TS]

  hold on that's more like it's part of [TS]

  the character of a space use references [TS]

  the same way like regular people like us [TS]

  to use references and then it's part of [TS]

  our life but it doesn't define our [TS]

  flyers you know it will be older and [TS]

  used them to illuminate a situation you [TS]

  find yourself in the situation itself is [TS]

  not directly related to some sort of [TS]

  fire pop culture thing you know I guess [TS]

  what i like about Ernest Cline is that I [TS]

  believe his obsessions are sincerely [TS]

  felt it's not like he went IMDb and said [TS]

  I'm going to make reference to the top [TS]

  five science fiction movies I are you [TS]

  sure about that because that's one of [TS]

  the that's one of my complaints like I [TS]

  have some of them i can say are [TS]

  sincerely felt but in one particular [TS]

  aspect which is very essential to this [TS]

  book had me questioning whether he [TS]

  actually plays modern video games and [TS]

  the most in particular I think it's easy [TS]

  to like pac-man fine we all this not you [TS]

  don't need to be like into pacman to [TS]

  understand the concept of the perfect [TS]

  game and stuff like that but the way his [TS]

  game world works makes me think and the [TS]

  way he describes technology in general [TS]

  makes like is maybe he's not like maybe [TS]

  he doesn't play modern video games maybe [TS]

  he's not really that into technology you [TS]

  know well yeah I think his future world [TS]

  is not so much based on a logical [TS]

  expansion of mmos so much as reading [TS]

  snow crash I did the things he didn't [TS]

  put it's far enough in the future you [TS]

  know I had like I have a whole bunch of [TS]

  the whole list of quibbles and notes [TS]

  maybe i'll save them for the end more in [TS]

  style but a lot of the stuff in the book [TS]

  easy made me think that just gave me [TS]

  hints that like if you set your thing [TS]

  really far in the future i'll give it to [TS]

  compare with another sci-fi author who i [TS]

  like but who just makes up ridiculous [TS]

  like vintage vintage make his technology [TS]

  of engine makes up to just nonsensical [TS]

  but it's so far in the future and so [TS]

  distant we have that as long as a sort [TS]

  of internally consistent you go along [TS]

  with it and i found vintage stuff more [TS]

  believable than this even though this [TS]

  was like ninety-eight percent the same [TS]

  as our technology just you know a little [TS]

  bit extrapolated but then he messes it [TS]

  up i think the problem is if you set [TS]

  this book 200 years in the future [TS]

  you've got people living in a weird [TS]

  cargo cult obsessively redoing things [TS]

  from [TS]

  really long will you joke about [TS]

  everybody's remaking movies over and [TS]

  over and over again and soon we won't [TS]

  have any movies left to remake I feel [TS]

  like yeah that runs out after about 40 [TS]

  or 50 years [TS]

  well I think that be an interesting book [TS]

  do that but it rate over that for a [TS]

  thousand years and showed me that book [TS]

  is habits have been less recognizable [TS]

  but then eventually realize way i figure [TS]

  i see what's going on here there you [TS]

  know this is what John Hughes movies are [TS]

  like in the future you mentioned the [TS]

  cargo cultures may be compared this even [TS]

  more to snow crash [TS]

  yeah which I which i think is you know [TS]

  obviously one of the sort of seminal [TS]

  metaverse style you know pieces and I I [TS]

  feel like it kept crashing up against [TS]

  this in some ways and yet at no crashes [TS]

  for me on arguably a better book but it [TS]

  doesn't quite have the same links into [TS]

  popular culture i guess but i guess [TS]

  maybe they're also just very different [TS]

  things [TS]

  did you have any of you guys find [TS]

  anything in particular that you felt [TS]

  like stood out from this is a book [TS]

  because I heard that was talking to a [TS]

  friend about ready player one the other [TS]

  day and he said you know there's been a [TS]

  lot of people saying that this is you [TS]

  know this is a nerd classic and we [TS]

  should replace you know [TS]

  ender's game with ready player one and i [TS]

  just both of us were sitting there going [TS]

  how working do you think this book will [TS]

  last is that backlash against orson [TS]

  scott card now [TS]

  well I mean and that's one thing like [TS]

  you know that's a whole separate issue [TS]

  but i think i would say ender's game is [TS]

  a vastly better book than this I me and [TS]

  it's just [TS]

  or perhaps that is suggested by people [TS]

  who have not read ender's game and this [TS]

  is the only science fiction book they [TS]

  have ever read what i like is this a [TS]

  game is this a game is a book and this [TS]

  is a game specifically a real and it's [TS]

  hardly has a book that has any longevity [TS]

  to it or you know now this book has an [TS]

  expired eight and it is like six months [TS]

  ago [TS]

  yeah I feel like it has to be read by [TS]

  somebody exactly my age with exactly my [TS]

  background somebody 10 years younger [TS]

  isn't gonna care about half of it [TS]

  I mean speaking as the 10 years younger [TS]

  contingent you're probably more than [TS]

  that I think I have to interrupt this in [TS]

  every show you know [TS]

  no I only because you all make me [TS]

  speaking as someone who's young and hip [TS]

  this is jive turkeys it's something that [TS]

  I was kind of considering was reading [TS]

  the book and then also afterwards I for [TS]

  some reason after i finished reading and [TS]

  I was contemplating the idea of a [TS]

  language built up entirely of pop [TS]

  culture references because i feel like [TS]

  and not to go all high and mighty [TS]

  judging society here but why not do it [TS]

  go take it society we're about 50 [TS]

  minutes in the podcast so decide no [TS]

  younger younger children I kind of feel [TS]

  like on the whole a lot of the big [TS]

  things in the the big important stuff [TS]

  that were into is all it's all older [TS]

  culture like it's cool and hip for a 13 [TS]

  or 14 year-old to like nineteen eighties [TS]

  movies right now it's cool and hip to [TS]

  dress in 1980 styles [TS]

  there's not really a defining you know [TS]

  dammit only missed it by 25 years [TS]

  yeah i was so close so close but it's [TS]

  it's strange and what the people who are [TS]

  saying ready player one is going to be a [TS]

  seminal classic I kind of wonder if [TS]

  that's not based on the the trend of [TS]

  culture right now which is basically [TS]

  regurgitating old things [TS]

  well what goes in cycles i remember [TS]

  american graffiti was not released in [TS]

  the time when people were dressing like [TS]

  that but there was a nostalgia for that [TS]

  period and there was kind of that that [TS]

  craze of bringing back that thing but [TS]

  that you know that past you know did we [TS]

  ever bring back the sixties and we [TS]

  brought back the fifties for a long time [TS]

  still do that you get the fifties diner [TS]

  sixties totally I mean you know i think [TS]

  when i was growing up in like the [TS]

  nineties when I was a teenager like [TS]

  there were a lot of people were very [TS]

  into the hippie culture that was clearly [TS]

  a big part of the 60 silent mode when I [TS]

  grew up in the eighties you know I [TS]

  listen to the beatles a lot when I was a [TS]

  little kid and you know i think that at [TS]

  that point you know that band had been [TS]

  broken up for over a decade [TS]

  so you know we always look back to the [TS]

  but the Beatles it's the Beatles is a [TS]

  good example something like long-lasting [TS]

  that will go on for a long long time [TS]

  because it was like you know the first [TS]

  big important rock band stuff like that [TS]

  but this is not the first big important [TS]

  scifi books on the first big important [TS]

  five book involving video games it's not [TS]

  the principles first of anything early [TS]

  well its most emphatically not the [TS]

  first of anything that's the whole [TS]

  planet and it's not even the first like [TS]

  iteration on pop culture it's not for me [TS]

  it's not even the first meta meta [TS]

  science fiction now so I don't think [TS]

  it's not sticking around to me know [TS]

  yeah and if it is we will hunt it down [TS]

  and kill it [TS]

  it's a fun but i still liked it [TS]

  oh alright so we have Monty and Ashley [TS]

  on the side of its it's a fun book those [TS]

  are both me you have Scott and John on [TS]

  the side of the angels I mean on the [TS]

  side of its terrible and i would [TS]

  probably lean towards that side but I [TS]

  mean I enter i enjoyed parts of it i [TS]

  don't want to wipe it entirely from my [TS]

  brain I guess which is which is a win [TS]

  for a brother that was fun to read it [TS]

  but I you so I read it [TS]

  my uh well I turned against the author [TS]

  partway through which is not good but [TS]

  you chained up in your basement here I [TS]

  don't have a basement so I killed him [TS]

  the no place to put I I came through so [TS]

  I would you know the height on this book [TS]

  was like oh my god this is going to you [TS]

  know redefine the field of science [TS]

  fiction and you have to read this book [TS]

  because it's gonna be super great so I [TS]

  was like all right i'll read this book [TS]

  it's gonna be super great those are all [TS]

  people who have never played video games [TS]

  are saying that apparently i wish i had [TS]

  the copy I have which I got out of the [TS]

  library because i read the if you read [TS]

  the back the quotes they had on the back [TS]

  I no quotes are the blurbs are terrible [TS]

  because they're always you know people [TS]

  pimping stuff but I went down the list [TS]

  of the people like these are people i [TS]

  really like and respect in these are [TS]

  good people but they're all that [TS]

  guarantee you they're all old [TS]

  some of them are in that module here is [TS]

  a list of names I have the book right no [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  top charlaine harris author of the [TS]

  sookie stackhouse series although our [TS]

  don't play video games i was there was a [TS]

  older girls but I want to offend anybody [TS]

  who ever to terry brooks author of these [TS]

  genera series [TS]

  nevermind i think back everything I said [TS]

  operating now later on the ground [TS]

  skullsy and patrick rothfuss yeah like [TS]

  scalzi and I like rafas with but it's [TS]

  weird that I mean scholars and brothels [TS]

  like getting your friends though too [TS]

  today bloggers book I mean it's like [TS]

  it's like marketing that's like I mean [TS]

  yeah those that's your crowd right like [TS]

  your you figure this cross-promotional [TS]

  marketing is my secret i guess that's [TS]

  neither here nor there but it was I like [TS]

  like Scott was saying about it being [TS]

  hyped up was like wow that sounds pretty [TS]

  cool and like the idea of it sounds cool [TS]

  enough but yeah found the execution did [TS]

  did fall kind of analyze and speaking of [TS]

  execution of like some1 people [TS]

  especially people on the show like Monty [TS]

  or glad or whatever say they're like one [TS]

  or two or three degrees separated from [TS]

  the people who actually wrote the book [TS]

  I've I start to feel bad about saying [TS]

  bad things about them about the people [TS]

  who wrote the book is like I don't want [TS]

  to hurt people's feelings [TS]

  wo you know Jason is best friend with [TS]

  best friends with val kilmer oh and I'm [TS]

  i find myself like censoring myself one [TS]

  of the things i had in my notes here and [TS]

  like and upsetting myself in this first [TS]

  several reasons but i think i should [TS]

  just say it and go against my better [TS]

  instincts here was 12 it well i'll start [TS]

  with our meetings this the central [TS]

  question to me when I'm reading this [TS]

  book at all [TS]

  I've already like turn the Scott corner [TS]

  and I'm like against it and you know I'm [TS]

  fuming about various things for the [TS]

  central question but I don't know if I [TS]

  want that to be called the Scott move it [TS]

  is a good corner he's got your name and [TS]

  printed in the cement is is this book [TS]

  supposed to be written at like it was [TS]

  written by a teenage boy like it's his [TS]

  journal or is it just supposed to be a [TS]

  book from the perspective of a teenage [TS]

  boy but written by professional writers [TS]

  and I'm saying is when i read it reads [TS]

  like if I was 13 years old and started [TS]

  my little salt and pepper notebook to [TS]

  write myself a novel about an idea of [TS]

  this world and that sounds awful but but [TS]

  like but then I stopped my supposed to [TS]

  wait a second know what he's a [TS]

  professional author like I maybe I don't [TS]

  really know much about this guy maybe [TS]

  he's trying to write it like it's that [TS]

  thirteen-year-old busy really does read [TS]

  like Wade the character in the book [TS]

  wrote this book so what do you guys [TS]

  think is it mi is he a genius and it's [TS]

  supposed to written that way or is he [TS]

  just a terrible writer don't give him [TS]

  that is it's very much in Wade's voice [TS]

  you can't deny that it's in in the 18 [TS]

  year olds voice and they were in his [TS]

  head [TS]

  I think it I think it reads very much [TS]

  like a screenwriter tried to write a [TS]

  novel it's supposed to appeal to the [TS]

  thirteen-year-old Deacon all of us [TS]

  the question about it being written by [TS]

  like Walt it's it's as if it's written [TS]

  by weight is ok then can i write a book [TS]

  that looks like a book written by [TS]

  someone who has no idea how to write [TS]

  fiction because i can write that book [TS]

  right now because I have no idea how to [TS]

  write fiction and when they say this is [TS]

  a horrible box and no no you don't [TS]

  understand its it's from the perspective [TS]

  like this it's you know its first person [TS]

  is from the perspective of a character [TS]

  and the character in the book doesn't [TS]

  know how to write fiction so this is his [TS]

  journal and that's why i'd make all the [TS]

  same mistakes that have you known him [TS]

  saying I'm going crazy reading this book [TS]

  Thinking is horrible writer i am I going [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  if you can do that and simultaneously [TS]

  tell a good story than yes PG Woodhouse [TS]

  created Bertie Wooster who's an idiot [TS]

  but birdie as a protagonist and as the [TS]

  narrator still manages to somehow convey [TS]

  a complicated story that's what's it [TS]

  like yeah they're there are books like [TS]

  that where there will be written you [TS]

  know its first person and the character [TS]

  tells you everything and it's in the [TS]

  voice of the character but the thing [TS]

  that burns about this is that Bernie [TS]

  doesn't come across as a if there's a [TS]

  difference between the weights rewrite [TS]

  it's not as if this comes across like [TS]

  bad like not quite dramatically bad [TS]

  writing because it's an automatically [TS]

  bed but like the point of it's very it's [TS]

  very simplistic writing like a lot of [TS]

  sentences are like he did this and then [TS]

  he did this I i pulled out i pulled out [TS]

  a couple examples here okay so this is [TS]

  all right so let's start with this one [TS]

  this move was a shut your hole penis [TS]

  ville IROC replied using his favorite [TS]

  mispronunciation of my avatars name [TS]

  using his favorite mispronunciation my [TS]

  avatars name you don't write that like [TS]

  you don't you don't expect we understand [TS]

  that his name is possible you have the [TS]

  guy say panvel you know it it's you [TS]

  don't put confident it's your show not [TS]

  it's your show Yeah right and you know [TS]

  what what a pumpernickel this was a game [TS]

  we played always called him by some [TS]

  random h named Harry Hubert Hogan Knows [TS]

  you Bob we will get if you just keep [TS]

  calling major his name is H in the game [TS]

  we're not idiots like but that's what [TS]

  you would write if you were like if [TS]

  you're 13 years old because you wanted [TS]

  right out the part that says see how [TS]

  clever it is i thought that they should [TS]

  always be called my agent you know and [TS]

  that stuff is what a kid would write in [TS]

  his little notebook when he's writing a [TS]

  story but it's not what Wade would think [TS]

  you know it's [TS]

  it's I don't know if I Drive myself [TS]

  crazy when he would think but it's yeah [TS]

  it's not something that should actually [TS]

  be in the box yeah well it's something [TS]

  you think when you're not feet because [TS]

  when you think you don't filter your [TS]

  thoughts right like they just all happen [TS]

  whereas when you're writing stuff down [TS]

  your choosing right and that's what [TS]

  makes it either a good writer better and [TS]

  and the worst the worst thought I had [TS]

  which is that when I reading this was [TS]

  especially after I like all the reviews [TS]

  it and all the things you're talking [TS]

  about everyone saying this is the [TS]

  greatest book ever and stuff like that [TS]

  I i would I thought to myself and this [TS]

  is not true but i actually have this [TS]

  thought that I could write something [TS]

  like this this is famous guys getting [TS]

  famous i could write this which is not [TS]

  true I totally cannot write i cannot [TS]

  even right you know not even close right [TS]

  but the fact that thought occurred to me [TS]

  shows how angry I was at the the craft [TS]

  of writing on this malay in this book it [TS]

  is angered me huh [TS]

  alright so for everybody listening out [TS]

  there John syracuse a highly recommend [TS]

  it and also claims that he can write a [TS]

  better not [TS]

  well I I think we're nanowrimo John [TS]

  we're getting we're getting we're [TS]

  getting your only eight days late get on [TS]

  that [TS]

  ya know I know I can't but the fact that [TS]

  thought even entered my head to show us [TS]

  how to better place this book romito [TS]

  alright so we're getting close to really [TS]

  be our allotted time here so I'm gonna [TS]

  ask if anybody else wants to throw out [TS]

  anything about this before we before we [TS]

  wrap up the name by did I not hit [TS]

  anything something on any of your lists [TS]

  that i would say what I liked was the [TS]

  references because they were directed at [TS]

  me when I would be fascinated to read [TS]

  the version of this book where all the [TS]

  references are either imaginary or [TS]

  things i didn't get and see what I [TS]

  thought of it [TS]

  mm so it's all a book entirely about [TS]

  rush but haha the umberto eco book the [TS]

  mystery of Queen Lana is also a burrata [TS]

  preferences but it's a broader [TS]

  references to umberto eco's childhood in [TS]

  Italy and it makes no sense to me at all [TS]

  there [TS]

  I think this podcast maybe the only time [TS]

  that this ernest cline will be compared [TS]

  to PG Woodhouse and umberto eco [TS]

  it's just let that go and open that echo [TS]

  book is just a series of somebody saying [TS]

  oh and then i'll pick up this book for [TS]

  my childhood memory memory memory [TS]

  oh and there's a picture i liked so it's [TS]

  like a like a seven-year-old tell the [TS]

  story [TS]

  well no the sentences are a lot longer [TS]

  marketplace because he's a freshman [TS]

  semiotician like unless my favorite [TS]

  thing from you think my favorite thing [TS]

  about this book was is that you've it's [TS]

  over you finished it was that a it has a [TS]

  bright color on the cover to show [TS]

  something that I said it shows something [TS]

  that I suspected for a long time does [TS]

  that you could make a good story about [TS]

  the things that we enjoy about video [TS]

  games like you know when you're playing [TS]

  a video game and you get you know you [TS]

  it's an enjoyable experience and it's [TS]

  hard to relate let's relate that [TS]

  experience to somebody who doesn't play [TS]

  video games perhaps and I like to have [TS]

  this this book even though it's kind of [TS]

  just a minor aspect of it could show [TS]

  like having this artificial rule the [TS]

  world with this set of rules and the [TS]

  things you can do it in the end exploits [TS]

  that you have there can be fun and I [TS]

  like the fact that it was it was so [TS]

  close to modern MMOs that it wasn't like [TS]

  like ender's game or some other fantasy [TS]

  type thing where it's just so far in the [TS]

  future it's like well we have nothing [TS]

  like the now it's like we have things [TS]

  like this now and people experience [TS]

  without the trail blowing up part but [TS]

  you know experience in games this type [TS]

  of experience and see its kind of [TS]

  exciting and I'll be interested to see [TS]

  if they can make a movie out of it that [TS]

  also expresses that you know this is the [TS]

  fun that people have playing games and [TS]

  here it is in the screen because [TS]

  whenever they do it in movies it's [TS]

  always so horrible and even this book I [TS]

  was kind of stay at the end or like sea [TS]

  and in the real world is the only place [TS]

  where you can really have any fun know [TS]

  the game is fun to you know that [TS]

  moralizing at the end i just want to [TS]

  punch him [TS]

  it's like it Indian don't you know that [TS]

  we have to like yes okay fine to have [TS]

  actual sex instead of cyber sex that's [TS]

  better I'm with you there but like video [TS]

  games are fun too [TS]

  that's real there's a real fun [TS]

  experiences so that was my favorite part [TS]

  of this book is it showed it can be done [TS]

  and you don't have to pretend it's in [TS]

  some fantasy world has no relation to [TS]

  our own so maybe the movie of this won't [TS]

  be good but the video game adaptation of [TS]

  the movie will be a daunting want to [TS]

  think about just like the matrix video [TS]

  games are awesome and then the [TS]

  novelization by umberto economical [TS]

  quick little know-it-all comes around [TS]

  and then the DNG module based on the [TS]

  adaptation of the novel of the video [TS]

  game of the movie of the book will be [TS]

  available in stores all right i think [TS]

  i'm going to leave their we're going to [TS]

  come back next time on the book of and [TS]

  talk about another book that also [TS]

  strangely enough deals with multiplayer [TS]

  online games although that it takes a [TS]

  sharp left turn and that's Neal [TS]

  Stephenson's Rudy it takes a sharp left [TS]

  turn and then goes for six miles on foot [TS]

  six you think it was just six anyways [TS]

  that's for next time so I'd like to [TS]

  thank all of my panelists can't make [TS]

  Nothing though the pleasure was all mine [TS]

  it really won't [TS]

  John siracusa with pleasure [TS]

  Monty action game over and serenity [TS]

  cultural show so much fun [TS]

  well thank all of you and for Jason's [TS]

  now this is the uncomfortable [TS]

  we'll see you next time [TS]

  ok [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  oh you're on it you want me to go [TS]

  through my my complaints on key is a [TS]

  neck world-building alright so it's one [TS]

  hit they rattle off that always can [TS]

  handle up to 5 million simultaneous [TS]

  users with no discernible agency and no [TS]

  chance of a system crash that's like an [TS]

  understand technology noticeable agency [TS]

  so the speed of light is suspended now [TS]

  you figure if they have a handle on the [TS]

  speed of light their energy crisis would [TS]

  also be solved [TS]

  you know and no chance of a system crash [TS]

  right whatever [TS]

  it's a new overclock processor it's so [TS]

  fast its cycle time Bourdon precognition [TS]

  first of all overclocking that was like [TS]

  so two decades ago and cycle time board [TS]

  its original mission make no sense but [TS]

  like I asked my mother to write a [TS]

  sentence about how fast the cpu a 10-10 [TS]

  zettabyte flash drive does anyone know [TS]

  how big a zettabyte is anybody 10 [TS]

  million terabytes you could give a one [TS]

  terabyte hard drive to every man woman [TS]

  and child on earth and still have to [TS]

  like stacked you on their heads at and [TS]

  then and then he he transfers 10 [TS]

  zettabytes of data and in just over [TS]

  three hours that's just that's just [TS]

  sighs I if my math is right into the few [TS]

  times i think that's 1 billion terabytes [TS]

  per second [TS]

  I don't know where they're getting that [TS]

  kind of throughput it doesn't really [TS]

  make much Leland [TS]

  ya heard thunder you mentioned [TS]

  Thunderbolts given pixel images that his [TS]

  avatars killed you lose all his stuff [TS]

  and the three levels he'd managed to [TS]

  gain over the past few years what kind [TS]

  of a memo has a thing where you pay for [TS]

  a few years and your level 3 not a [TS]

  successful in all that's what I you [TS]

  don't have a sneak off to a 33 [TS]

  dimensions that one of the guys i think [TS]

  was arguing or something had had played [TS]

  he played all those games he said they [TS]

  were actually pretty good he was a [TS]

  decent quarterback before he sold his [TS]

  soul mate was talking about the 64 guy [TS]

  he's a decent coder you have you don't [TS]

  these days and any modern area you don't [TS]

  make good games are being a decent coder [TS]

  coders don't make the games it's the art [TS]

  assets and the you know you need a huge [TS]

  team of artists and writers to make a [TS]

  game it's not coder I think that's the [TS]

  standard my shortlist i compiled for [TS]

  thing but just these technical yeah you [TS]

  wait wait wait to hear my pockets and [TS]

  steve jobs biopic on air more this year [TS]