The Incomparable

65: Maine is Purgatory

 

  the incomparable podcast 65 November [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  welcome to another edition of the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell [TS]

  your host today we are going to be [TS]

  talking about fall television lots of [TS]

  new shows premiering with interest [TS]

  interesting premises and some sci-fi and [TS]

  some other things that are of interest [TS]

  to our are great listeners out there as [TS]

  well as some returning shows that we [TS]

  talked about before so to survey the [TS]

  landscape of fall television [TS]

  i'm joined by a tremendous cast of [TS]

  characters here today Scott Mykelti [TS]

  hello Scott [TS]

  hello i enjoy watching television I know [TS]

  that about you [TS]

  you're well-read and well watched I do [TS]

  sometimes I read and watch TV at the [TS]

  same time watching you right now John [TS]

  siracusa as well as here hi John [TS]

  hello Jason you are fewer of televised [TS]

  entertainment are you i just came from [TS]

  the television room [TS]

  Wow see so you're fresh you're ready to [TS]

  go [TS]

  well you have a whole room dedicated to [TS]

  tell us right that that is how serious [TS]

  you are that that's I like that level of [TS]

  dedication interviewer ben boychuk is [TS]

  also here this is to podcast in a row [TS]

  for you we are your your honor you're on [TS]

  a roll [TS]

  yeah I'm in such trouble with my family [TS]

  though yeah i'm going to be killed in my [TS]

  sleep too much [TS]

  podcasting I'm gonna have to really make [TS]

  this one count ok that's good podcast as [TS]

  if it was your last podcast on earth [TS]

  precisely alright damn moron who is on [TS]

  every podcast on earth is also here I [TS]

  damn Jason I'm not a television [TS]

  character but I play one on TV [TS]

  mm-hmm I'm sure you came up with that [TS]

  just now I'd actually did come up that's [TS]

  just good [TS]

  alright I like like that lack of [TS]

  preparation it fits with my life battery [TS]

  that's what i do i roll with the punches [TS]

  yes i'm a punch you later and Lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser also joins us hi Lisa [TS]

  I pleasure to be here it is great to [TS]

  have you here we'll see if you're still [TS]

  saying that at the end of the spot [TS]

  because like the feeling's mutual [TS]

  yes yes I'm alright so are interesting [TS]

  lots lots of new kind of genre related [TS]

  shows this fall which is funny because [TS]

  on one level like I kind of wondered if [TS]

  they would learn their lesson from some [TS]

  of the the the shows like the flash for [TS]

  words and the like of last season but [TS]

  know if we've learned anything about TV [TS]

  networks they never learn [TS]

  so we got another batch it's a pretty [TS]

  bleak landscape i was talking about i [TS]

  was having dinner with a friend earlier [TS]

  and we were sort of going through all [TS]

  the new especially in the hour-long [TS]

  department [TS]

  it is a pretty colors room oh I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  podcast is over I was not I was not very [TS]

  excited about this fall and then [TS]

  actually I I think there's a lot of [TS]

  decent hour long new series out there [TS]

  decent nothing that i'm super excited [TS]

  about well that's the problem right it [TS]

  that a lot of these shows are almost [TS]

  more offensive in their mediocrity to me [TS]

  you know that may be that may be so but [TS]

  there's one I'm kind of excited about [TS]

  there's just one time there's one kind [TS]

  of excited about to so there's a 10 x I [TS]

  in fact discovering that one last week [TS]

  kind of turned me around about the [TS]

  season like ooh there's a show i'm [TS]

  interested in and under a solution so [TS]

  I'm sorry there's two short shows that i [TS]

  like this season one of them however is [TS]

  so far outside the realm of being [TS]

  comfortable that we shouldn't even bring [TS]

  it up [TS]

  no no we should now now now you're now [TS]

  you're in its revenge all my god you [TS]

  guys watching revenge in time i actually [TS]

  heard kind of kind of good things about [TS]

  that i I've never been heard of that [TS]

  it's a girl in the Hamptons and she [TS]

  hates all the people i'm kind of a [TS]

  sucker I do i do love Emily VanCamp [TS]

  she's awesome it is it on the CW know [TS]

  it's ABC hate well the ABC ABC is a [TS]

  ritual it features walking lab [TS]

  experiment madeleine stowe and as the [TS]

  queen of the Hamptons and then we [TS]

  vancamp as the girl who's going to take [TS]

  her down because madeleine stowe [TS]

  participated in the scheme that somehow [TS]

  got her father convicted of treason and [TS]

  he died in ignominy and it is the most [TS]

  deliciously soapy thing I've ever seen [TS]

  in my life and I say this is somebody [TS]

  who was a dedicated viewer of the [TS]

  original beverly hills 90210 and melrose [TS]

  place it just it's gone lunatic just in [TS]

  the first few episodes alone we've [TS]

  already got dumb us sliding kinsey scale [TS]

  sexuality blackmail going on as and a [TS]

  really annoying high tech billionaire [TS]

  who's decided to get involved just for [TS]

  kicks and a little bit of class warfare [TS]

  two bar and [TS]

  every time and now there's a secret [TS]

  tripled stripper doppelganger who was [TS]

  just introducing the latest episode of [TS]

  season pass right now [TS]

  yeah I have subscribing that's right so [TS]

  I got any at stripper doppelganger and [TS]

  the problem is I yeah I i will hulu at [TS]

  work occasionally just to just to just [TS]

  to get a refresher because it's just [TS]

  that good and the problem with healing [TS]

  something like this at work is is you [TS]

  you find yourself now you know when [TS]

  you're supposed to be buckling down and [TS]

  it's a chance to talk to the television [TS]

  show it is [TS]

  and honestly I wish I wish that more of [TS]

  my girlfriends or heck even boyfriends [TS]

  lived closer to me so that we could all [TS]

  get together on wednesday nights and [TS]

  watch it and screw scream at the screen [TS]

  together because it's mind-bogglingly [TS]

  good fund it is addictive [TS]

  I don't want to like it and my wife [TS]

  started watching it and I said I this is [TS]

  silly soapy nonsense but then you kind [TS]

  of get hooked and pretty soon I'm [TS]

  sitting down on the couch and and I'm as [TS]

  rapidly attend to it is as anything so [TS]

  yeah you're like what will the ball be [TS]

  this week is it is it a charity gala is [TS]

  that the fourth of July at every week we [TS]

  have a big a big fancy charity shindig [TS]

  was just introducing the second yes and [TS]

  that's what does that happen [TS]

  yeah sure shot in the Hamptons are no oh [TS]

  god now completely and like Long Beach [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  oh so sad yeah but it's another show on [TS]

  USA that's it in the Hamptons royal [TS]

  pains royal pains there you go [TS]

  hold me closer tiny doctors we call this [TS]

  is not how i thought this podcast we go [TS]

  no this is good I they were all getting [TS]

  our skeletons out of the closet now [TS]

  yeah it's good it's good should it would [TS]

  anybody else like to talk about shows [TS]

  they're watching that aren't we just [TS]

  start with off topic and then hope that [TS]

  have later we moved to all of you what [TS]

  let's off topic i mean well as John and [TS]

  John and I were talking before before [TS]

  about a homeland which I don't think [TS]

  necessarily falls straight into you know [TS]

  are sort of typical wheelhouse but again [TS]

  i will hire 32 spy a spy thriller and I [TS]

  and I love i'm a geek for spy thrillers [TS]

  so so there you go i it i would say so [TS]

  far and I and I again I've alive [TS]

  watch mostly pilots of other things it [TS]

  is probably the best new show of the [TS]

  entire [TS]

  that's all c's that's Claire Danes [TS]

  contains Damien loose right who you [TS]

  might recognize from LA and the brothers [TS]

  and life life which showed that I i like [TS]

  to smell good job cancelled and a man [TS]

  can't be taken as as other dances good [TS]

  using some of anything he's great in bed [TS]

  well I think he's he's awesome in this [TS]

  show so far but you forgot the most [TS]

  important one [TS]

  Inara marina marina avatars yeah that's [TS]

  Rebecca and David Harewood a British [TS]

  actor who has appeared in a couple I [TS]

  think he appeared in one of the Doctor [TS]

  Who end of time maybe the doctor who was [TS]

  like that rich reclusive billionaire [TS]

  whatever terrible character terrible [TS]

  character but I like him he also [TS]

  appeared on the BBC robin hood as Friar [TS]

  Tuck but he plays sort of a CIA middle [TS]

  management guy who's angling for a for a [TS]

  better a better job so the premise here [TS]

  is that is that Damian Lewis returns [TS]

  from like a spider hole in Afghanistan [TS]

  or go somewhere and he's basically been [TS]

  you know in this like captured by [TS]

  terrorists and held for eight years and [TS]

  he gets rescued and claire danes [TS]

  character suspect that he may be he may [TS]

  have been turned [TS]

  during his capture but she basically has [TS]

  this information [TS]

  nobody else really knows this [TS]

  information that she has and so she sort [TS]

  of goes out on a limb to try and prove [TS]

  it and what I like about it so far is [TS]

  that it really [TS]

  despite the fact that you know you was [TS]

  the viewer kind of know what's going on [TS]

  because you see stuff sort of omission [TS]

  Lee her character clearly is you know [TS]

  right in in sort of like straddling the [TS]

  line she does a lot of questionable [TS]

  things and she does a lot of things that [TS]

  don't seem to pay off so she's got this [TS]

  theory and she started sticking to it [TS]

  and trying to prove it but she's not [TS]

  making a lot of headway and sort of in [TS]

  each episode she gets like maybe a [TS]

  little bit closer but she's still kind [TS]

  of on the outside looking in and so I [TS]

  kind of enjoy that sort of uphill [TS]

  struggle from her and there's some [TS]

  things with her that make her arguably [TS]

  sort of unreliable as a character very [TS]

  tactful way of putting it [TS]

  yeah but she's I I you know without [TS]

  giving too much away about it but its [TS]

  life it was one of probably the only [TS]

  pilot i watched and was immediately [TS]

  thinking I have to have to watch the [TS]

  next episode because it ends on [TS]

  something that's very subtle but is also [TS]

  kind of this huge shift you know she [TS]

  spends his whole pilot trying to prove [TS]

  this fact and she least get somebody to [TS]

  come around your point of view at the [TS]

  end but in what it turns out to be a [TS]

  fairly minor sort of Revelation I think [TS]

  am I think the pilot is was maybe still [TS]

  is available for free for people yeah [TS]

  and to think you could stream it online [TS]

  although it is obviously censored in on [TS]

  on shows its show time so there is some [TS]

  stuff to censor so if you wanna see the [TS]

  good parts [TS]

  yeah you don't want to be sensor all [TS]

  right i want ya i was vision why John [TS]

  saying that but that's the thought you [TS]

  open you know episode 1 let's cut to the [TS]

  chase here here's why you want to keep [TS]

  watching this program and then you know [TS]

  you know even the first episode of [TS]

  stargate had boobs in it [TS]

  yeah but never again I kept watching for [TS]

  eight long years wow that's Teddy power [TS]

  of the many ways I don't know about a [TS]

  show that is really really its subtle [TS]

  which I like in a thriller I mean it's [TS]

  kinda like a lot more of a john mccrae [TS]

  angle to it it's not entirely [TS]

  over-the-top things will blow up every [TS]

  week it's not 24 it's got yes it's got a [TS]

  much more it's got a much slower burn to [TS]

  it i really appreciate that it keeps you [TS]

  going and keep every week I finished [TS]

  that the show and I think holy crap i [TS]

  wish i had the right the next episode [TS]

  right now because it's that I'm adding [TS]

  grossmont yeah I just caught up on the [TS]

  series i watched the first episode of it [TS]

  yesterday and watch the last episode of [TS]

  it today so it tells you what kind of [TS]

  draw dad for my life are the best thing [TS]

  i've seen this season what it reminds me [TS]

  most of his season 1 of The Sopranos and [TS]

  that they're building tension like [TS]

  every person in the show I yeah Dan [TS]

  mentioned the claire danes was like you [TS]

  know kind of odd not kind of unreliable [TS]

  and strange not really like your shining [TS]

  knight and the one you're rooting for [TS]

  anything like that everyone in the show [TS]

  has something about them that's off [TS]

  including like the supposed antagonist [TS]

  think the the guy who's been turned like [TS]

  as Dan was saying they're leading you [TS]

  since you as the the viewer see things [TS]

  that no one else sees you know you see [TS]

  everything you feel like you have a [TS]

  pretty good idea of what the truth is [TS]

  but even if you know even if you're [TS]

  pretty sure that you know what's going [TS]

  on the characters involved in it don't [TS]

  are like real people are not sure that [TS]

  their that they're able to or are [TS]

  willing to or want to go through with [TS]

  the thing you think they're gonna do [TS]

  everybody the good guys the bad guys the [TS]

  guys you think about guys do you think [TS]

  are good guys [TS]

  nobody is like an automaton machine who [TS]

  just does what they want to do [TS]

  everybody's got problems everybody is [TS]

  uncertain and it's all that the [TS]

  mellowness is what's great about it [TS]

  because you you know i don't know what [TS]

  the budget is the show but like there's [TS]

  no explosions no car chases [TS]

  there's very little that you know [TS]

  gunfire anything like that it's just a [TS]

  good character story that's slowly [TS]

  building tension now this is the type of [TS]

  series where you've all depend on how [TS]

  they resolve this story because they're [TS]

  obviously they're building some kind of [TS]

  story here and say well how far how many [TS]

  seasons this can you do it eventually [TS]

  we're going to find out [TS]

  will your warranty is here isn't he does [TS]

  the thing I think gonna happen not going [TS]

  to happen and like how do you do season [TS]

  2 and how to do season 3 and so on and [TS]

  so forth so they can still mess this up [TS]

  but that i highly recommend this show [TS]

  for all the reasons you might want to [TS]

  watch a show it reminds me a little bit [TS]

  of my favorite show from last year which [TS]

  I know John liked as well which was [TS]

  Terriers which was another show that had [TS]

  a very slow build to it and i think this [TS]

  is teenagers was much more laid back [TS]

  than this though [TS]

  yes is like this is like fighting you [TS]

  know yeah so I shouldn't watch this [TS]

  because it's going to get cancelled [TS]

  no I think it's on showtime so okay [TS]

  there you go [TS]

  yeah it's already it's already been [TS]

  renewed you've got washed away skycable [TS]

  guarantee all right yeah the gray cable [TS]

  guarantees the first time that's a great [TS]

  recommendation [TS]

  let's uh move on and talk about [TS]

  Oh we'll go from serious nail-biting [TS]

  the post the iraq war terrorism to [TS]

  dinosaurs in the past through a time [TS]

  portal about that who that would be I [TS]

  speak of Terra Nova on song started [TS]

  yeah terranova sort of vaguely Stargate [TS]

  and it actually the people behind it are [TS]

  our mother it's a bunch of Star Trek [TS]

  producers plus Steven Spielberg although [TS]

  i'm always dubious about how he's how [TS]

  much she's involved in anything [TS]

  hands on is he gonna be with this you [TS]

  drop by the office once you know you [TS]

  know I i will say that i think he is he [TS]

  is not like super involved but there's [TS]

  something about this that reminds me of [TS]

  like you're you're very average [TS]

  Spielberg film like the worst of [TS]

  Spielberg I think well I mean Spielberg [TS]

  but like mediocre right like and I think [TS]

  on that TV his TV work is actually [TS]

  generally really poor [TS]

  yeah i mean but in film on talking he [TS]

  gets that I don't think he gets the [TS]

  medium [TS]

  yeah it's it's it's a weird show it's [TS]

  not as bad as I thought it would be but [TS]

  it's not i think it's pretty terrible [TS]

  oh it's it's it's squandered potential [TS]

  it's one potential that's exactly what i [TS]

  was going to say is I thought the pilot [TS]

  was pretty good in that it sets up the [TS]

  scenario where your you've got a blank [TS]

  canvas right you've got these people [TS]

  they're back in time there from the [TS]

  future they they've they're sending from [TS]

  a dystopic future not right future right [TS]

  I thought that was the coolest part of [TS]

  the whole show on asleep while rising [TS]

  more the future or the so well that's [TS]

  the nice thing about it is that they [TS]

  can't go back but people come from the [TS]

  future they continue to come in waves [TS]

  from the future and they can do some [TS]

  communication back there and there's [TS]

  some some imagination since the politics [TS]

  and I I thought that was I thought the [TS]

  setup was pretty good i mean there's [TS]

  some weirdnesses apparently in the [TS]

  original pilot the husband and wife who [TS]

  have been separated because he was put [TS]

  in jail for lying about having having a [TS]

  kid right so the the husband-wife in the [TS]

  original unaired pilot they were their [TS]

  marriage was was on the outside actually [TS]

  the reason that they had the third kid [TS]

  was to try and save their marriage or [TS]

  somehow and they took that out which is [TS]

  weird but what's even weirder is like in [TS]

  the second episode they're introduced [TS]

  this guy who was her old boyfriend and [TS]

  there's supposed to be some tension [TS]

  there except it's very clear that they [TS]

  had to take that out when they decided [TS]

  not to have their marriage be in trouble [TS]

  so there's it [TS]

  no tension oh that's a huge narrative [TS]

  mistake because this show would have [TS]

  been okay i thought this show could have [TS]

  been delightfully creepy if it turns out [TS]

  that Elizabeth had been recruited by a [TS]

  next lover who was thinking hey your [TS]

  husband's in jail you're going to be [TS]

  several million years in the past [TS]

  how's it going around that you know [TS]

  that's what it should be about it's got [TS]

  dinosaurs is not speaking about our [TS]

  marriage is on the rocks a sleep but [TS]

  doesn't make me creepy setup is all so [TS]

  kids I'm your new dad in the past and [TS]

  happy because we haven't nothing just [TS]

  drop that angle [TS]

  well you did I think I think the push [TS]

  and hold that I heard just hear about [TS]

  how it's got dinosaurs do we want [TS]

  characters like well i was actually [TS]

  thinking that setting you know telling [TS]

  stories about interesting people [TS]

  interesting characters it with this with [TS]

  this kind of in interesting world that [TS]

  they're in this backdrop could be good [TS]

  unfortunately the second episode is a is [TS]

  a star trek episode it's basically [TS]

  there's a scary kind of dinosaur threat [TS]

  that threatens the ship I mean the [TS]

  colony in made up and the spoiler horn [TS]

  and talk specifics because it was really [TS]

  like the dumbest premise multiple shorts [TS]

  the third episode just also a bad Star [TS]

  Trek rice right that's the one that [TS]

  maybe I actually didn't even watch it [TS]

  because i saw the preview for where it [TS]

  said a virus that erases their memory [TS]

  temporarily and I'm like I don't like [TS]

  that episode of Star Trek do you need [TS]

  and that was my thought was you've got [TS]

  interesting premise and you've got and [TS]

  you've got submit some vaguely [TS]

  interesting characters you clearly got a [TS]

  budget for hunt for like hi [TS]

  special-effects you're doing [TS]

  high-concept sci-fi of the week it's [TS]

  like you're on a mainstream network [TS]

  you've got a sci-fi premise you don't [TS]

  need to syfy it up any further [TS]

  you've got dinosaurs you got people from [TS]

  the future who are now in the past you [TS]

  don't need a sci-fi virus as one of my [TS]

  one of my family members who is a big [TS]

  sci-fi fan said like you know pick one [TS]

  right like pick one thing that's [TS]

  different right [TS]

  yeah I was gonna say there's too much [TS]

  stuff in the show Yeah Yeah Yeah [TS]

  dinosaurs done you can make a they can [TS]

  make decisions with you decent things [TS]

  with the dinosaurs Oh big made up [TS]

  dinosaurs you've got all these people [TS]

  coming from a dystopian future when [TS]

  orange is a freakin big deal and all of [TS]

  a sudden they're put into this pass [TS]

  where there's just this profusion of [TS]

  strange flora and fauna and are like [TS]

  home time to patrol the fence that's [TS]

  over with giant vines and keep out the [TS]

  dinosaurs [TS]

  no yeah there's no wonder there's a [TS]

  whole world to explore with things that [TS]

  they don't even know we're out there and [TS]

  instead they sit behind the fence and [TS]

  occasionally they'll be like oh geez [TS]

  there's a dinosaur killing people we [TS]

  let's investigate bad and it's really [TS]

  just like that towards the dangerous [TS]

  this is crazy [TS]

  we're mix of of some innovative things [TS]

  and then complete retreat into just [TS]

  clichés it's it's really disappointing [TS]

  also apparently none of these people [TS]

  were formed by their dystopia hate yeah [TS]

  they're all just hanging out by college [TS]

  students know because in the pilot they [TS]

  call those billboards about how family [TS]

  is for and apparently having more than [TS]

  two children is is a grave enough [TS]

  offense where you can get tossed into [TS]

  jail for by the population police [TS]

  yes and you've got this family to jets [TS]

  into the past with five people one of [TS]

  whom you know was was brought in a [TS]

  freaking backpack and their embraced [TS]

  with open arms by the entire Terranova [TS]

  colony you can't tell me that can send [TS]

  it back i guess we'll know but the thing [TS]

  is people could treat them with [TS]

  discussed earlier pariahs aurealis right [TS]

  ulong breaker and instead their own gym [TS]

  whatever did we do before you came along [TS]

  to enforce laws that we haven't actually [TS]

  ratified listen to the future right they [TS]

  seemed like people from the President as [TS]

  if they'd forgotten that they're from a [TS]

  dystopian future [TS]

  well except for except for Steven [TS]

  language there's just like a play the [TS]

  same role you play never huh slightly [TS]

  mellower you know i will say something [TS]

  about Stephen Lang I like something i [TS]

  still get me wrong you know yeah I like [TS]

  him to the thing I'm glad about at least [TS]

  so far in terra nova is that it was so [TS]

  obvious going on it's like oh they're [TS]

  gonna cast him as this mean guy who's in [TS]

  charge of the colonies going to be a [TS]

  jerk and they're gonna have he's going [TS]

  to be the antagonist and they haven't [TS]

  he's actually like he's kind of a jerk [TS]

  how he's just he's kinda gruff right but [TS]

  not rough but he's got the best interest [TS]

  of the colony of heart more lesson and [TS]

  and and i like that because when you've [TS]

  got that whole weird someone to keep him [TS]

  to write with his likes honest he hasn't [TS]

  he has a dark secret to assure you know [TS]

  the real deal is with the the actual [TS]

  anti- for taken from ready player one [TS]

  right they just brought them right over [TS]

  the sensors [TS]

  yeah like said the icon that is all [TS]

  about my problem is that so they can't [TS]

  seem to decide they have dinosaurs [TS]

  attack and then they have some kind of [TS]

  family drama they want to do and then [TS]

  there's a virus and that is just oh god [TS]

  the episode with him like I would like [TS]

  to court her daughter just that it's all [TS]

  kind of all those plot-wise need to just [TS]

  die [TS]

  yeah and then there's the rebellious [TS]

  teenager I've got to go out and sneak [TS]

  outside the fence my first things i hate [TS]

  me exactly i don't know anything about [TS]

  this place but i'm going to sneak out [TS]

  and have some moonshine with people I [TS]

  just met because that seems like a good [TS]

  idea [TS]

  you think I really think I would have [TS]

  been bowled a bold and insensible [TS]

  artistic decision to kill that kid [TS]

  mmm pilot that would've been awesome and [TS]

  then Stephen like have been like see [TS]

  this is why you don't go outside the [TS]

  fence mother's now your family only has [TS]

  four jerks [TS]

  yes yeah well I mean it would have been [TS]

  a very different show up they showed up [TS]

  and he said about pic to kill third one [TS]

  well that's wonderful and i were [TS]

  thinking we're gonna do we were really [TS]

  disappointed when they didn't I mean [TS]

  that this is clearly a beautiful [TS]

  reoriented show right boxes trying to [TS]

  get the family so we all agree that the [TS]

  story in the premise they're just [TS]

  squandering it right but you like let's [TS]

  just put that aside and just look at [TS]

  every other aspect of the show the [TS]

  script [TS]

  another thing they're not just so and [TS]

  write whatever gets the job done stupid [TS]

  the individual actors chosen ROK [TS]

  individually but like think of the [TS]

  husband and the wife no chemistry and [TS]

  biochemistry at all then the girl who i [TS]

  love Don King's is just completely flat [TS]

  here I have no interest in her like [TS]

  everything is no interesting character [TS]

  actors is just not done [TS]

  no Steve laying it is coming well the [TS]

  thing is is jason o'mara is not a bad [TS]

  actor and he was very good and life on [TS]

  Mars it's just whoever is guiding his [TS]

  career keeps getting into real stinkers [TS]

  because his accent is for his fake [TS]

  accent I barely even recognized him from [TS]

  life on Mars know you mentioned i say oh [TS]

  yeah that is that guys such a pale [TS]

  shadow of what he wasn't that show [TS]

  well I yet they never liked keep his [TS]

  Irish accent someday so let's let's move [TS]

  on [TS]

  I now that we've beaten the dinosaurs to [TS]

  death and talk about two shows that are [TS]

  sort of similarly premise which is that [TS]

  there are legendary mythical creatures [TS]

  who are real grim lcg yeah well reel him [TS]

  but that's not the premise dependency [TS]

  unit there plenty real that the prince [TS]

  and the premise Department of this grim [TS]

  which is about mean it's like buffy the [TS]

  vampire slayer or angel because it's the [TS]

  same producers it's david greenwalt a [TS]

  couple of producers who worked on Buffy [TS]

  and Angel and that and that that premise [TS]

  is that this guy discovers that he's the [TS]

  latest in a line of of people who fight [TS]

  against supernatural forces in the real [TS]

  world and there really is a big bad wolf [TS]

  that attacks girls wearing red hoodies [TS]

  and and there's this whole other part of [TS]

  the world that he's not seen before that [TS]

  now is revealed to him and then there's [TS]

  also once upon a time which is a show [TS]

  that suggests that all fairy book you [TS]

  know the story fairy the fairy tales are [TS]

  real and the weekend Queen cast a spell [TS]

  that banished them all from the land of [TS]

  fairy tales and now they live in Maine [TS]

  and don't rip don't realize that their [TS]

  Ain main where there are no happy and [TS]

  main rain is like purgatory basically [TS]

  what we've learned [TS]

  this just in and one town over from [TS]

  Haven and and and so they there now in [TS]

  Maine so this is essentially you end up [TS]

  with a town that's full of people where [TS]

  you sit there and watch them and go oh [TS]

  he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk [TS]

  or whatever and the next and that's not [TS]

  you know how do you feel about this show [TS]

  Jason do you want I'm just I'm just [TS]

  trying to I'm just trying to elaborate [TS]

  on the premises here but it was just it [TS]

  was just the venom which you put it to a [TS]

  boil and whatever alright so let's all [TS]

  right i'll jump on that bad once upon a [TS]

  time for watching two episodes of [TS]

  once-upon-a-time as I am i it's not good [TS]

  it's it no it's not okay okay it's not [TS]

  bad yeah I watched it but it's not this [TS]

  like it's like you're sitting there is [TS]

  no thanks first off it's from these two [TS]

  guys who are producers on lost and you [TS]

  can tell but basically what they've said [TS]

  it it's like lost with fairy tales [TS]

  because every episode seems to cut back [TS]

  and forth between the past in the [TS]

  fairyland with important things that [TS]

  inform you about what's happening in the [TS]

  present in main there a sound effect [TS]

  accompanying there is no little Michael [TS]

  chiquinho but i have I so they do these [TS]

  flashbacks and I think to myself I think [TS]

  that maybe is a mistake i think maybe [TS]

  I'm grounding in the present would be [TS]

  better [TS]

  the problem with a fairy the fairy realm [TS]

  is the fairy realm is ridiculous [TS]

  over-the-top but not enough and you're [TS]

  gonna make it ridiculous i thought you [TS]

  should I think you should go all the way [TS]

  camp and they just a plant in Hungary [TS]

  tones well they don't because they have [TS]

  to go there every week now right i mean [TS]

  it would be different if the first half [TS]

  of the pilot was about the fairyland and [TS]

  then we never saw it again but instead [TS]

  they keep going back there and and the [TS]

  way they've instructed the actors to act [TS]

  especially the woman who plays the mayor [TS]

  of the town who's all Atlanta free [TS]

  lessons on taxes also the Wicked Queen [TS]

  her her her performance it as the wicked [TS]

  queen is painful to watch because it's I [TS]

  disagreed so it's just it's poor it is [TS]

  liable disagree I disagree because I [TS]

  thought that's finished worse the more [TS]

  you invited Lisa it's even worse no I [TS]

  thought I thought that the way she [TS]

  manipulated her father a nap [TS]

  so to attic at the key moment I'm trying [TS]

  very hard to explain this without [TS]

  resorting to spoilers [TS]

  anyway the point is is she as she [TS]

  manipulated her father I thought the way [TS]

  that she portrayed the the emotion she [TS]

  was fading compared to what she's [TS]

  actually feeling I thought that was [TS]

  fantastic and I also think she's [TS]

  fantastic is the mayor too because she [TS]

  does a really good job [TS]

  ok my problem with let me be more [TS]

  specific [TS]

  reading reading the over-the-top Wicked [TS]

  Queen dialogue where she sort of [TS]

  shouting into the air about haha yeah [TS]

  that stuff is horrible [TS]

  it's just yeah it's painful so is there [TS]

  anything ever anybody who does that well [TS]

  or 0 because it seems like that the the [TS]

  we've done a really good job as a [TS]

  narrative convention making villains [TS]

  look like complete jackholes when I do [TS]

  start the waving around of the hands and [TS]

  the screaming at nobody particular [TS]

  develop a they'll all pay [TS]

  I mean it doesn't matter what does that [TS]

  but gary oldman does well I'd they keep [TS]

  flashing back to this this very tail end [TS]

  as we're talking about but the problem [TS]

  is like everybody knows those stories [TS]

  yeah right like that's why it's boring [TS]

  it's telling us a story we've already [TS]

  heard there's no as far as I can tell [TS]

  there's not much at least in that I only [TS]

  saw the pilot but it seemed like there [TS]

  wasn't too much that like drove those [TS]

  characters to me I mean because their [TS]

  fairytale characters right ultimately [TS]

  they are kind of two-dimensional and and [TS]

  for me that meant I didn't really care [TS]

  about their who they were and and so [TS]

  it's disappointing in some ways to hear [TS]

  that they sort of keep going back to [TS]

  that well because i think there's [TS]

  there's an interesting premise there but [TS]

  you know it doesn't need to have the [TS]

  flashbacks i don't know i think they're [TS]

  doing that I think they're doing that so [TS]

  that they you you begin to care about [TS]

  who not home so much who they were but [TS]

  who they are now I i think that and I [TS]

  think it's developed a little bit more [TS]

  in the in the second episode and it and [TS]

  I'm willing to give this show a little [TS]

  bit more of a chance because I i think [TS]

  it it's moving along it's not it's not [TS]

  like they're jerking us around I think [TS]

  it's moving along the first two episodes [TS]

  there there's a there's a drive to them [TS]

  and it seems like you were getting a [TS]

  better sense [TS]

  so of who these people are now and so so [TS]

  that the flashbacks to fairy tale land [TS]

  are aren't that they don't bother me as [TS]

  much although I if the first episode [TS]

  where they were they were all gathered [TS]

  around that the round table and they [TS]

  were trying to figure out what to do and [TS]

  they were coming up with maybe some [TS]

  solution to get out of this curse or [TS]

  whatever reminded me a lot of the [TS]

  imaginationland episode of southpark [TS]

  yeah let's crank call out maybe not what [TS]

  they were going for [TS]

  probably not what they were going for [TS]

  but it said I I couldn't help but think [TS]

  of you know all of the the Council of [TS]

  imaginary characters talking about the [TS]

  crisis you know in Imaginationland and [TS]

  then that you know there was Jiminy [TS]

  Cricket bear on the on the conference [TS]

  table you know it is in that was a [TS]

  little bit funny but before the most [TS]

  right you know i think i think this [TS]

  one's this one's got potential although [TS]

  it certainly didn't it didn't come [TS]

  blasting out of the gate the way the way [TS]

  grim did [TS]

  yeah it's so it's great yeah so grim so [TS]

  great and much stronger pilot I think [TS]

  mix photon once-upon-a-time grim only [TS]

  see the pilot because we record this [TS]

  it's only only only air the pilot eh [TS]

  yeah it was having good it was really [TS]

  good I liked it a lot [TS]

  I don't know if I'd say really good but [TS]

  i found it more compelling than once [TS]

  upon them once upon a time i find it [TS]

  shocking that Jason the buffy guy loves [TS]

  somebody I wanted that's exactly know [TS]

  what there's a as I'm watching it the [TS]

  chemistry between the blue pot in the [TS]

  sin and the lead guy were fantastic [TS]

  really i found the bleeding i kinda flat [TS]

  period like easy very generic and and [TS]

  his buddy i was reading for the body to [TS]

  dive is there was nothing between those [TS]

  two what the copies he's like he's like [TS]

  salt or yeast where you have to add them [TS]

  to something else and then everything [TS]

  gets he sees 11-8 you can we don't [TS]

  distract me he looks like he looks like [TS]

  brandon routh he does yeah I get like [TS]

  it's like I like branded I like brandon [TS]

  routh better which is saying something [TS]

  and yeah you know it's like he didn't [TS]

  want to do it so they found look alike [TS]

  and brandon routh could use the work [TS]

  yeah we can do incidentally he was on [TS]

  Chuck a couple years ago is really good [TS]

  on Chuck I like the mind but he you know [TS]

  this is this guy is kind of like I don't [TS]

  know so far in one episode I found him [TS]

  kind of uninspiring and I I like I mean [TS]

  I like the sort of the sidekick guy the [TS]

  stylus we realized yeah yeah I like him [TS]

  I thought he was pretty good a lot of [TS]

  the other carrier i mean the other [TS]

  characters don't really stand out that [TS]

  the partner generic partner right you [TS]

  know there's the obligatory twist [TS]

  yeah I don't know any it's interesting [TS]

  there's there's an interesting potential [TS]

  here it's certainly a lot darker there [TS]

  were little things that bothered me I my [TS]

  favorite little bizarre plot point of [TS]

  course being the the girl goes out [TS]

  jogging and drops her ipod when she gets [TS]

  murdered and then they they go look for [TS]

  12 hours later is playing the same like [TS]

  what happened with that he likes the [TS]

  Eurythmics so much it was on repeat one [TS]

  song exactly the only song you should [TS]

  listen to brew your android / yeah [TS]

  that's some battery life too [TS]

  yeah well grapple yeah we all just [TS]

  thinking the same to any other Apple [TS]

  they're really like oh yeah I know [TS]

  exactly what model headphones are you [TS]

  dig that [TS]

  yeah yeah okay good but it was probably [TS]

  get a bunch of Apple nervous watching [TS]

  the show also if you're gonna be a crazy [TS]

  supernatural killer don't hum the song [TS]

  that your victim was listening to when [TS]

  you're talking to the police that was a [TS]

  weird revealed for me because i did not [TS]

  quite pick it up but yeah it's coming on [TS]

  it's strange that the partner is the one [TS]

  who picks it up like now I didn't [TS]

  understand why they gave that discovery [TS]

  to him maybe this is to show them the [TS]

  Grimm is going to need to be schooled [TS]

  both in regular police work and in the [TS]

  supernatural police work [TS]

  it's good at anything he is incompetent [TS]

  all fronts [TS]

  well he kinda is he will use the [TS]

  audience standing that's the whole point [TS]

  is is you always have one in every show [TS]

  who's the neophyte or the the newbie and [TS]

  groom had a great line when so that the [TS]

  guy who abducted the girl hasn't has her [TS]

  in his basement and he's very creepy and [TS]

  he's walking out party turns exactly [TS]

  turn sir it says would you like a [TS]

  chicken pot pie [TS]

  because you look at nigger up they say [TS]

  lyrics like oh no it's what I really [TS]

  like is how the blue bars are like we [TS]

  see red hood we can't help it that's [TS]

  just power wired I thought that was [TS]

  really nice [TS]

  yeah there's that there's a nice a nice [TS]

  bit where his the guy who he drops in [TS]

  who is obviously going to be his like [TS]

  advisor into the supernatural world [TS]

  who's the good character and funny and I [TS]

  kept waiting for him to turn to to the [TS]

  to the grim guy and say dude and he [TS]

  finally did those like there it is [TS]

  there's the dude he's that kind of guy [TS]

  he's the dude sidekick but he said I [TS]

  can't go any further because crazy I if [TS]

  I get too close we become like a pack [TS]

  and you know i gotta turn around and [TS]

  it's not like moment of like I can't go [TS]

  with you any further now you're on your [TS]

  own [TS]

  I like that and to John's point that the [TS]

  guy who loves Buffy would like would [TS]

  like the show it's true i mean it's got [TS]

  a lot of the same pieces and i turned my [TS]

  wife while we were watching it and I [TS]

  said into every generation one man is [TS]

  born he is the grim the advertisement a [TS]

  tentpole now I mean is it is a [TS]

  suggestion basically that they're all [TS]

  descended from the Brothers Grimm Grimm [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  yes that's what is that that's kind of [TS]

  lame so the the buffy essence part of it [TS]

  for me was as soon as i saw an old lady [TS]

  like in Congress combat where you have [TS]

  someone who you don't perceive to be [TS]

  like a warrior temper is like high [TS]

  school girl or a cancer-stricken and [TS]

  whips out you know starts doing this [TS]

  ninja combat everything you ever got [TS]

  knives and stuff that's a hundred [TS]

  percent Bobby what was missing from this [TS]

  there was in buffy is Joss Whedon and [TS]

  snappy dialogue i right that wasn't that [TS]

  was nowhere to be found which is [TS]

  probably why i like it felt more like [TS]

  Angel a little bit then like Buffy [TS]

  friends and I think I i think it was [TS]

  better written in this by far [TS]

  well I didn't say it wasn't I just said [TS]

  it's more a tailor talisman from our [TS]

  pilot yeah the pilots are pilots are not [TS]

  always good but the tone of angel was [TS]

  much more in line with this the darker [TS]

  and a little bit less funny then then [TS]

  the Buffy I think it's a closer analog [TS]

  one thing this had that Buffy didn't [TS]

  have was the ability to if not scared [TS]

  then at least startled so I was watching [TS]

  this with my wife and just I told her [TS]

  what the premise of the show was i think [TS]

  i just i was like the brothers grimm or [TS]

  whatever and you know like the first [TS]

  little jump jolt thing with jogger in [TS]

  the beginning startled her enough to [TS]

  make your contacts come out haha [TS]

  that should be a scale yeah that in [TS]

  addition to like he was holding [TS]

  something and just like she was startled [TS]

  many times about the show and it [TS]

  definitely I'm that's cheap like the [TS]

  thing that jumps out at you but at least [TS]

  it did that effectively writers and [TS]

  producers of grim you may want to quote [TS]

  from this episode of the uncomfortable [TS]

  it's made her contacts fly out of her i [TS]

  right [TS]

  and that's not you know so that shows [TS]

  like within the first minute they had [TS]

  yet they had your attention and they did [TS]

  you know the cheap little boots care but [TS]

  hey I'll take you know an effective [TS]

  cheap little boost Karen the thing that [TS]

  was pointing out of it was like they [TS]

  want to do a light-hearted tone with the [TS]

  sidekick guy was like AI mama we're both [TS]

  to it on the cool guy who'd but they [TS]

  also wanted to have they also want to [TS]

  have like look at the scary person with [TS]

  the bad cg face right that I don't know [TS]

  how they're going to balance that well [TS]

  but I really think that what the show [TS]

  would meet but the show's needed this is [TS]

  writing is as good as Buffy had it [TS]

  doesn't have that now i don't know if [TS]

  the other the other factors can make up [TS]

  for it well I guess I kept looking for [TS]

  in sort of the not just a dialogue with [TS]

  the structure of the episode i was i [TS]

  found myself looking for the someone in [TS]

  his life who is inevitably turns out to [TS]

  be one of these creatures or in league [TS]

  with the real thing the White House [TS]

  buddy was like but I look I was waiting [TS]

  for the carpet there's that one they did [TS]

  this really weird shot right after he [TS]

  like finds the little girl underneath [TS]

  the living room they sort of do this we [TS]

  chat with the partner stepping back and [TS]

  I'm like oh my God he's gonna like turn [TS]

  around and bring ya like a gun on him [TS]

  and I was like wow that would be a viet [TS]

  creepy turn or I thought the like the [TS]

  fiancé might might turn out to be evil [TS]

  or something [TS]

  I honestly think that because that would [TS]

  have been yeah they kind of had a shot i [TS]

  think we shot her too i felt like that [TS]

  hinted at that too but you didn't quite [TS]

  playoff and said those edited the reveal [TS]

  the end who really was the you know [TS]

  mhm but I I don't know I mean I maybe [TS]

  i'll watch the second episode I felt [TS]

  better about it that is like i said then [TS]

  I did about once upon time but it was [TS]

  still you know it's still mixed bag for [TS]

  me [TS]

  yes of the current and the new fairytail [TS]

  based hour-long show and Korean is [TS]

  number one in my Park [TS]

  yeah it turned you know watching up [TS]

  watching pilots you the first hurdle is [TS]

  can i watch through it to the end and [TS]

  then second hurdle is what i watch [TS]

  another episode and once upon a time I [TS]

  was like maybe i watch another episode [TS]

  because I gotta do a podcast about it [TS]

  the grip grammy was was yeah watch [TS]

  another episode of that again it was not [TS]

  like I'm I'm floored this is the best [TS]

  thing I've seen in years it was more [TS]

  like that that was better than I [TS]

  expected and worth worth some more of my [TS]

  time palatable palatable you can put [TS]

  that on the poster got some potential [TS]

  you know got some potential worth worth [TS]

  investigating further so yeah I think so [TS]

  oh and Scott red summed it up of the to [TS]

  go grim exactly so violent yeah i was [TS]

  gonna watch the once upon a time thing [TS]

  for the podcast but then I saw the groom [TS]

  is also in the list and I i surmise that [TS]

  grim would be the better institution [TS]

  well once I watch it I could I could not [TS]

  bring myself to watch the other like how [TS]

  can watch another fairy tales that just [TS]

  looks awful [TS]

  so I'm glad to hear that yeah I like [TS]

  senses are we even those of us who don't [TS]

  think it was awful i don't think i would [TS]

  service was good but let's talk about a [TS]

  person of interest [TS]

  this is a this is a show that is a [TS]

  procedural in some ways but it it's um [TS]

  it's got the premise is that there's a [TS]

  guy mr. Finch who's played by Ben liner [TS]

  sent Los Michael Emerson and and Ben [TS]

  Linus is off the island now and he's [TS]

  built a computer that the the government [TS]

  uses to spy on everybody but he's like [TS]

  put a backdoor in it so that the names [TS]

  of people who are going to die or be [TS]

  killed or or kill or something related [TS]

  to death will be emailed to him every [TS]

  day so that he can try and stop their [TS]

  deaths it's a bizarre kind of premise [TS]

  but in the end it's the setup is there [TS]

  so that the that he and jim caviezel [TS]

  Jesus himself jim caviezel Casey Casey [TS]

  wheel in in in skirt [TS]

  whoo that's AC it's true you can insert [TS]

  themselves into the [TS]

  people's lives and either you know [TS]

  prevent them from killing somebody or [TS]

  prevent them from being killed [TS]

  um it's a weird premise I love Michael [TS]

  Emerson and in this he is you know he's [TS]

  got streets got a limp in the flashbacks [TS]

  he doesn't have a limp there's mystery [TS]

  about who he is and why he's there and [TS]

  what his history is so I like him and I [TS]

  you know I have to say i like i like [TS]

  caviezel even though i don't like I find [TS]

  him kind of bland and other things i [TS]

  like them in this I don't think he's [TS]

  like eric roberts or something i'll go [TS]

  but i mean like a lie i think he crosses [TS]

  effectively menacing no i don't know i [TS]

  don't see I don't like it because I [TS]

  think he's more [TS]

  he's a little too much of a cipher I [TS]

  wanted a little more he's warming up the [TS]

  interplay with him Michael Emerson is [TS]

  getting a little bit better but in a [TS]

  pilot especially he's just like the guy [TS]

  who shows up and beat the crap outta [TS]

  here and not he just doesn't seem to [TS]

  have much of a personality of its own so [TS]

  I think he's a liability [TS]

  well see i kind of figured they would [TS]

  flush that out of me not you know they [TS]

  gave me to write write write but I mean [TS]

  I kind of enjoyed watching Abby that [TS]

  first scene where he beats the crap out [TS]

  of the punk kids who are just sort of [TS]

  you know over the scotsman ridiculous on [TS]

  the subway but yeah but it'sit's you [TS]

  know it's the kind of that's the kind of [TS]

  people you want to see get there get the [TS]

  crap beat out of them right after [TS]

  supplies think about that yeah exactly i [TS]

  think it's shot ya know I kind of enjoy [TS]

  so bad the show the two shows that this [TS]

  show reminds me of one is vengeance [TS]

  unlimited yeah which I know you love [TS]

  which was a mighty fine show and the [TS]

  other see equalizer which I loved with [TS]

  Edward who was the UX by who now just [TS]

  barges into people's lives when they're [TS]

  in trouble and beat the crap out of the [TS]

  mean people who are trying to hurt them [TS]

  and i love i love that show because it [TS]

  was menacing and it was kind of like New [TS]

  York the threatening side of New York [TS]

  and then this guy comes in and he he [TS]

  will just use all the tools at his [TS]

  disposal to destroy the bad people who [TS]

  are trying to hurt other people and I [TS]

  love that about that show and that's [TS]

  that's the thing that i do like about [TS]

  person of interest ya got that feeling [TS]

  to it yeah i mean but vengeance [TS]

  unlimited by the way hadn't had more of [TS]

  a sense of humor than the show does i [TS]

  was a little bit i was a little bit [TS]

  ambivalent about this show I didn't want [TS]

  to like it I didn't want it to succeed [TS]

  because because i thought it [TS]

  if it succeeds then we'll never see odd [TS]

  jobs which is just plan show with with [TS]

  with very honest and John Locke yes [TS]

  stereo and that sounded like an awesome [TS]

  show and I'm a little depressed about [TS]

  that yeah so but but turns out turns out [TS]

  this is this is actually pretty good and [TS]

  you know it i think we're what five or [TS]

  six episodes into this thing and I [TS]

  haven't seen that many of them by I've [TS]

  seen water a pilot but I watched the [TS]

  pilot was enough to at least convince me [TS]

  to give the next one shot [TS]

  well it is worth giving a shot and it [TS]

  turns out there there are some some [TS]

  other conspiratorial threads that are [TS]

  moving through it's not just it's not [TS]

  just about the backgrounds of of Emerson [TS]

  and and caviezel characters there's also [TS]

  some things happening that some of that [TS]

  some of the cases that they've been on [TS]

  some of that some of these numbers that [TS]

  they've that they've taken on and and [TS]

  some of these people that they've [TS]

  they've saved or or taken out turns out [TS]

  there there have been implications to [TS]

  some of the things that they've done [TS]

  sort of unforeseen consequences which is [TS]

  always very interesting so grace the [TS]

  numbers are bad [TS]

  well yeah well I although i have to do [TS]

  it not come for a4a out-of-left-field [TS]

  plot twist in the pilot which is just I [TS]

  don't know I looked it soon as it [TS]

  happened i can see like all right I see [TS]

  what you're gonna do here and yet i [TS]

  thought back to earlier in the episode [TS]

  notes like this doesn't really make any [TS]

  sets like you just kind of did that to [TS]

  be look surprised [TS]

  oh yeah yeah and and I remain at the end [TS]

  of that my wife turned to me and said if [TS]

  they do that every week this isn't gonna [TS]

  work but they don't know what's going on [TS]

  is good and it's actually pretty smart [TS]

  but in it may be that there are there [TS]

  are other powers at work here that you [TS]

  know that have not been revealed and so [TS]

  there's a lot to the show that that's [TS]

  worth watching I think you're you're you [TS]

  there's something what you say Jason [TS]

  that Caviezel as characters a little bit [TS]

  there's a little bit of a little bit of [TS]

  a cipher but I grab I sort of think he's [TS]

  just like a kind of brick that is yeah [TS]

  old people but i think i think little by [TS]

  little we're getting to know him a [TS]

  little bit better and and so it it it [TS]

  keeps you wanting to cum it keeps you [TS]

  wanting to come back for more at least [TS]

  it does for us and so we enjoy it i mean [TS]

  it's it's a lot of fun and and I but i [TS]

  do think you're right i mean Emerson's [TS]

  character so tremendously watchable he's [TS]

  just you know the guy that you never [TS]

  mean he really kind of makes the show [TS]

  but it's got its got action and by the [TS]

  way they're not a bit i think it's a [TS]

  native is it it's an eight o'clock show [TS]

  I think I don't know better not the time [TS]

  anymore yeah I don't either a dismal [TS]

  just it just materializes a firearm with [TS]

  my DVR but it but there you know people [TS]

  get killed in the show and yeah y-yeah [TS]

  how many people get shot up I was like [TS]

  this is very interesting because i find [TS]

  it especially coming from a perspective [TS]

  as a writer having a likable or at least [TS]

  relatable protagonist who kind of [TS]

  indiscriminately kills people is really [TS]

  hard because selected from the knees [TS]

  right forget sometimes that you're still [TS]

  in the head [TS]

  yeah right and I mean it so it's like [TS]

  you know that's that to me is that is a [TS]

  bold choice and I think that's if you're [TS]

  gonna I mean you want to back that up [TS]

  right like you want to have it shouldn't [TS]

  feel cartoony it should have [TS]

  consequences you should feel dangerous [TS]

  and should feel kind of brutal and if [TS]

  you're gonna do something with the [TS]

  character along that lines that's very [TS]

  interesting to me because I think that's [TS]

  something you wrestle with is he having [TS]

  a protagonist who is willing to cross [TS]

  that line but if it's just comes off as [TS]

  to like you know pretty close always [TS]

  just you know just kill people that they [TS]

  have no meaning right like dat that is [TS]

  yeah I mean it's all the 18 no one ever [TS]

  dies neil on right now that the car [TS]

  would blow up and maybe find yeah i mean [TS]

  but it is it is eight it is a show with [TS]

  it loses weight right [TS]

  Yeah Yeah right any other thoughts about [TS]

  person of interest [TS]

  well speaking as someone who was [TS]

  watching prime suspect thinking this [TS]

  person of interest [TS]

  haha can be easily if you wore a hat [TS]

  examined was blonde I have no opinion of [TS]

  the show but i will say prime suspect is [TS]

  entertaining i was very confused when i [TS]

  was watching the pilot because I I [TS]

  wanted to watch whatever a person of [TS]

  interest because people on Twitter all [TS]

  the nerds I follow on twitter we're [TS]

  talking about it was like I should watch [TS]

  that ship so I watched the episode of [TS]

  private sector house which was unrelated [TS]

  and i watch it was like this is a good [TS]

  police procedural you know the one that [TS]

  has a attitude and she's dealing with [TS]

  sexism on the police that's interesting [TS]

  but why are all these people talking [TS]

  about it on twitter i was very confused [TS]

  then I realized i'm an idiot yes [TS]

  watching the wrong show [TS]

  that's that's my thought process was [TS]

  fine but it was one of those shows that [TS]

  I you know I I don't need a police [TS]

  procedural and yet another police [TS]

  procedural in my life I just don't you [TS]

  know but it was fine because Maria Bello [TS]

  is in that she's good but she's good [TS]

  yeah and she has a hat she does have [TS]

  she's an aggressive hat i like how a [TS]

  personal and that show i like how they [TS]

  drink so much I like that a lot to do [TS]

  and I also I'll i also like the fact [TS]

  that most of the other people on on that [TS]

  squad or sort of halfway incompetent [TS]

  yeah that's great you know that the [TS]

  video that their le clerc's they'll try [TS]

  to frame people you know because they [TS]

  know i like this guy for this murder so [TS]

  I think we should just you know if I [TS]

  like that sort of thing that there's you [TS]

  know it's it's kind of a path of least [TS]

  resistance sort of bureaucratic thing [TS]

  that I did strikes me is constant [TS]

  realistic so it's kind of a neat show i [TS]

  don't know and i think it's interesting [TS]

  that the you-know-whats the bellows [TS]

  character she's like okay I think that [TS]

  the suspect is this guy and clearly if [TS]

  you're intelligent [TS]

  it is in fact that guy it makes sense [TS]

  and other people like your girl what do [TS]

  you know [TS]

  well i mean i think that was one of the [TS]

  challenges I mean obviously this is [TS]

  based on a really long and running [TS]

  british series with Helen Mirren because [TS]

  magnet i think the early nineties and [TS]

  you know where the Queen solves crime [TS]

  yes the little corgis and i think you [TS]

  know i was one of the criticisms I heard [TS]

  of it was just people talking about the [TS]

  fact that well you know not that that [TS]

  the sexism is an interesting angle but [TS]

  also that you know the the arguably the [TS]

  world of of 20 years ago is a bit [TS]

  different than the world of today in [TS]

  some regards but i mean i don't know i [TS]

  didn't i didn't watch the pilot and I [TS]

  I'd i do have fond memories of the [TS]

  senior the the earlier one shouldn't [TS]

  even be called prime suspect is it [TS]

  really has nothing in common [TS]

  I it other than those a woman who's a [TS]

  detective right i mean and that's you [TS]

  know that's that's to the better in some [TS]

  ways i know that a lot of times the [TS]

  American chose do better when they take [TS]

  a departure from the acceleration but [TS]

  that's such a honored kind of series [TS]

  that that it yeah it seems kinda weird [TS]

  day and i'm not quite sure what it [TS]

  really has some common but you know but [TS]

  it's fine we should we should move on i [TS]

  believe somebody wanted to talk about [TS]

  american horror story which i think is [TS]

  on FX which is from the from the people [TS]

  who brought you those fresh face kids [TS]

  glee [TS]

  so tell me about tell me about american [TS]

  horror story because i have not seen it [TS]

  and I don't know anything about it other [TS]

  than that [TS]

  that your coach mrs. coaches in it [TS]

  miss yeah oh yeah she's not very mrs. [TS]

  kochi here on the premises that Dad [TS]

  dylan mcdermott and mrs. kochi are Tami [TS]

  Taylor what's your actual name [TS]

  Oh Connie Britton bring him all right [TS]

  yes they're there a couple who are on [TS]

  the outs with one another [TS]

  she apparently had a third trimester [TS]

  miscarriage last stillbirth that she's [TS]

  still recovering from physically and [TS]

  psychologically he solved his grief by [TS]

  plunging into the arms and other parts [TS]

  of an undergrad and so their marriage [TS]

  has been under a great deal of strain [TS]

  and they decided the best thing to do is [TS]

  to subject themselves to another one of [TS]

  life's most stressful events which is a [TS]

  cross-country location with the sulky [TS]

  teenage daughter they end up at this [TS]

  huge neo Victorian monstrosity in Los [TS]

  Angeles jessica lange is their body next [TS]

  door neighbor who says really hateful [TS]

  things about the disabled to her [TS]

  daughter who happens to have down [TS]

  syndrome and [TS]

  over the course of a couple episodes you [TS]

  discover that the house in which mrs. [TS]

  coach and silicon or silicon live is [TS]

  simply packed with ghosts [TS]

  um it's supposed to be horrifying I [TS]

  suppose with the title big American [TS]

  Horror Story and all but really the show [TS]

  is just so far around around the bend [TS]

  that it's it's it's it's kind of a black [TS]

  comedy because just when you think that [TS]

  it can't get any more ludicrous and that [TS]

  people cannot act any less like human [TS]

  beings actually act along comes [TS]

  something else and you're like okay okay [TS]

  we have just moved often incomplete have [TS]

  just moved beyond the boundaries of of [TS]

  the odd things like that include jessica [TS]

  lange making epic cupcakes and sending [TS]

  over as a housewarming gift and then [TS]

  swatting about the same house small [TS]

  giving dramatic monologues about the [TS]

  deficiencies of her children [TS]

  dylan mcdermott goes jogging with a guy [TS]

  who burned his family to death in the [TS]

  nineteen seventies and the guy he's [TS]

  handing him headshots to check out [TS]

  because he wants to be an actor [TS]

  there's some weird fetal pig thing that [TS]

  lives in the basement and terrifies [TS]

  people it's just the only there's a guy [TS]

  in a gimp suit running around the house [TS]

  too but apparently no one notices him [TS]

  let me ask let me ask let me ask perhaps [TS]

  what is the what is the like elephant in [TS]

  the room question why don't they move [TS]

  they can't that they get the address in [TS]

  one episode where they haven't they have [TS]

  no money apparently moving west [TS]

  bankrupted them and since he's a psycho [TS]

  you know what's gonna buy that house [TS]

  exactly their mortgages underwater and [TS]

  covered in board and haunted [TS]

  yes that'sthat's basically that's [TS]

  basically the premise to go with his own [TS]

  words it's the real estate markets in [TS]

  such a dramatic downturn is no one will [TS]

  ever move into this place so also Connie [TS]

  Britton her character is pregnant and [TS]

  they're pretty sure the father is the [TS]

  ghost camp so that the fetus is [TS]

  apparently conspired to keep them in the [TS]

  house too and it's just um wow so yeah I [TS]

  i could not want to watch this show any [TS]

  less than I do right now it is like [TS]

  someone took it as like Ryan Murphy was [TS]

  like okay I need a dartboard and on that [TS]

  dartboard you should have every [TS]

  ridiculous horror cliché that has ever [TS]

  been in any movies the last 30 years and [TS]

  this week I want someone to hand me a [TS]

  quiver of 10 darts i'm going to throw [TS]

  them at [TS]

  bored and whatever it lands on were [TS]

  putting it in this episode it's just it [TS]

  is ludicrous [TS]

  it is a madcap this is like I think [TS]

  grant morrison would be like this is a [TS]

  little much guys [TS]

  maybe maybe lay off of Chris and madcap [TS]

  i'm watching on hulu since our DVR is [TS]

  always full anyway i'm watching hulu so [TS]

  I'm granted i'm a week behind and I [TS]

  understand the halloween to partner is [TS]

  really kind of an eye krauser but this [TS]

  is something where if you get a chance [TS]

  to watch it and and you're in the mood [TS]

  to laugh yourself silly and and have [TS]

  something that makes absolutely no sense [TS]

  whatsoever so you're watching it for the [TS]

  for the for the last value basically yes [TS]

  yes I am [TS]

  ok so noted so American Horror Story got [TS]

  it i'm going to steer clear that one [TS]

  yeah mmm yeah oh I didn't even mention [TS]

  there's that the rigor shows with with [TS]

  sarah michelle gellar that's awful [TS]

  anyone watch that I watched it [TS]

  let's get Buffy in it it's really bad oh [TS]

  alright good i don't want to get then [TS]

  it's really bad this [TS]

  no it's it's it's terrible but but she [TS]

  doesn't go to the Hamptons but she does [TS]

  go out on a boat and it's the worst [TS]

  green screen effect you've ever seen [TS]

  she's based on the soup it was hilarious [TS]

  it's it she's like it's like she's [TS]

  standing in front of a painting of the [TS]

  sea on a boat and pretending to rock and [TS]

  then she falls in at the falling in it's [TS]

  like somebody has a cup of water that [TS]

  they throw back out it's just it it [TS]

  appeared to be you know I don't know if [TS]

  they had a it was like a high school [TS]

  play it was delightful and but the TV [TS]

  critics so I had got that in there in [TS]

  their little advanced looking and I know [TS]

  a couple TV critics who actually called [TS]

  the network and said you're gonna fix [TS]

  the special effects right there like oh [TS]

  yeah we are [TS]

  it'll be better and then that it was not [TS]

  it was the same thing she's just in [TS]

  front of a backdrop [TS]

  wow that's a while it's about it's it's [TS]

  it's overly complicated and weird and [TS]

  bad and again bad use of twins and split [TS]

  screens and things and oh it's bad so [TS]

  I'm sorry I even brought it up now quite [TS]

  frankly other than that I wanted to beat [TS]

  it up and now i will say good news [TS]

  well we were recording this happen to [TS]

  browse a [TS]

  a TV news site and found that we will [TS]

  have once upon a time to kick around all [TS]

  co got a couple seasons in order know so [TS]

  i wanted to mention before we talked [TS]

  briefly about returning shows i wanted [TS]

  to mention one other show that I don't [TS]

  believe anybody here saw so I'm going to [TS]

  recap it for you [TS]

  having not seen it which is a gifted man [TS]

  this is a show that's on a belief CBS on [TS]

  Friday nights all you need to know about [TS]

  the gifted man is it's the ghost [TS]

  whisperer crossed with medium though [TS]

  which are essentially the same show but [TS]

  i believe in fact that was the premise [TS]

  of the show is that the demands dead [TS]

  wife comes back and helps himself how [TS]

  he's a doctor he's a doctor assets the [TS]

  show [TS]

  yes that's that show it's not it's not [TS]

  person of interest Scott [TS]

  my wife will like this show so it's like [TS]

  the ghost whisperer except without [TS]

  cleavage [TS]

  well the ghost has the cleavage this [TS]

  time and i believe the ghost is is [TS]

  Jennifer ely from Pride and Prejudice I [TS]

  i heard about the show but I watched [TS]

  prime suspect instead I'm surprised your [TS]

  wife hasn't made you watch the show [TS]

  Scott don't make don't let her don't let [TS]

  her know that it's on [TS]

  yeah she's been out of town so but i'm [TS]

  sure what she hears about it he'll watch [TS]

  it also also starring patrick wilson is [TS]

  the main character who's in the watchman [TS]

  among other thing is the gifted man of [TS]

  media for a he's a gifted man Jason he's [TS]

  not necessarily the only one but he's [TS]

  well he's the gifted man of the title [TS]

  but that's a gifted man like this and [TS]

  how is he in [TS]

  yeah / / he's over rot he been and you [TS]

  didn't say anything you've seen a gifted [TS]

  man I yeah just come on out it out saw [TS]

  the pilot hated it [TS]

  this like four episodes queued up on the [TS]

  DVR and I'm and I'm every not a day goes [TS]

  by where I'm not tempted to just delete [TS]

  them but then my way and generate and [TS]

  then I would be killed in my sleep i'm [TS]

  going to be killed in my sleep and write [TS]

  in any event because before you die you [TS]

  just delete them up and then the ghost [TS]

  whisperer will talk to you [TS]

  yeah but gifted man because over rotten [TS]

  terrible don't watch it [TS]

  ok don't watch tonight did I mention a [TS]

  new show that i forgot that is [TS]

  yeah he's right is it by sunset that's [TS]

  it is in fact started redline us as the [TS]

  prime suspect [TS]

  no it's not it's a prime suspect but it [TS]

  is a show that i didn't think i would [TS]

  like a because it's on stars and [TS]

  generally stars his boss it is boss i'm [TS]

  really not have a boss boss is so good [TS]

  it's a kelsey grammer and it wasn't in [TS]

  like the first two minutes because you [TS]

  see kelsey grammer anything look it's [TS]

  dr. Frasier great but within 22 minutes [TS]

  of watching this [TS]

  he's not Frasier Crane he is this crazy [TS]

  scheming really mean mayor of Chicago [TS]

  who has found out that he has a [TS]

  neurological disease and he's he has to [TS]

  kind of keep it from everyone [TS]

  it's just a fantastic show this is this [TS]

  is a this appeals to the political [TS]

  science geek in me this is like the [TS]

  deadwood was another show like that [TS]

  which resolves deadline which had a lot [TS]

  of things going on but ultimately it was [TS]

  that was a that was a show for you know [TS]

  political philosophy geeks and and [TS]

  bosses a little bit like that too and i [TS]

  just i saw that we watched the first [TS]

  episode of that and i told i told my [TS]

  wife this is my favorite show in the [TS]

  universe right now because it's got [TS]

  because you know in and you know all the [TS]

  hype leading up to the show by the way [TS]

  and they went out of their way to say [TS]

  Kelsey Grammer is not Richard Daley even [TS]

  though there's been an office for 18 [TS]

  years and he's the most powerful man in [TS]

  the seas not Richard they are going to [TS]

  do the total innocence [TS]

  I mean the power dynamics that many [TS]

  people you know that the patron image [TS]

  that the horse trading there's a city [TS]

  council meeting in the first episode [TS]

  where he this is the whole thing going [TS]

  on where they're trying the which is [TS]

  based partly on a true story by the way [TS]

  where the city is trying to expand [TS]

  o'hare airport and they may find it [TS]

  Indian burial ground there and this [TS]

  becomes of course a huge problem because [TS]

  you can't just dig up the Indian burial [TS]

  ground and so there has to be so they [TS]

  you know they have to attach this this [TS]

  they have to give the mayor total [TS]

  control of this project they have to do [TS]

  it through waste management and it's [TS]

  just wonderful low politics it's just [TS]

  fantastic and and just great stuff so I [TS]

  haven't watched I haven't had a chance [TS]

  to watch the second episode yet but it [TS]

  is just great [TS]

  it is just got aa you ask Great Scott [TS]

  you picked a winner [TS]

  apparently who do and I don't even like [TS]

  politics but Kelsey Grammer is a [TS]

  fantastic as a this character the boss [TS]

  the boss Tom Kane before we go I want to [TS]

  I want to quickly touch base on some [TS]

  shows that have returned that we might [TS]

  want to mention at least briefly [TS]

  the walking dead is back on AMC [TS]

  I've only seen the first of of those [TS]

  episodes and I feel just as kind of [TS]

  lukewarm wish I actually drop the series [TS]

  of her [TS]

  oh yeah I've been liking season two I [TS]

  never I never started watching so I'm [TS]

  not John you like it yeah i think we [TS]

  have as I've seen I've seen all the [TS]

  present three episodes for I in the [TS]

  first season I don't feel like they [TS]

  didn't really know or maybe they knew [TS]

  what they wanted around a little bit of [TS]

  whether they were going to be [TS]

  concentrating on like the just they have [TS]

  to spend some time like the destruction [TS]

  of the United States and look at all [TS]

  this stuff and the big-budget things in [TS]

  there in the city and everybody's dead [TS]

  and stuff like but now they've narrowed [TS]

  the showdown to just these people that [TS]

  you care about now they're going to [TS]

  survive and it's almost like the zombies [TS]

  are not that important anymore at this [TS]

  little manipulative but there's been [TS]

  enough interesting moments that it's [TS]

  been grabbing my attention like the the [TS]

  main storyline which you see setup and [TS]

  they want episode you [TS]

  they want episode you [TS]

  so that's still going on i think im [TS]

  gonna be so three or four or something [TS]

  and i like it it's perfect you know it's [TS]

  not it's not knock my socks off but my [TS]

  new episodes coming out i want to see [TS]

  what happens i'm interested in the [TS]

  people on this show [TS]

  yeah I'm interested in I just I it [TS]

  leaves me I don't finish one episode and [TS]

  Bo I can't wait to watch the next [TS]

  episode is more like our and I'll watch [TS]

  the next episode [TS]

  sometimes it just doesn't doesn't grab [TS]

  me at that level so Lisa you you you got [TS]

  pushed all the way away from enough [TS]

  yes i did any any reason in particular [TS]

  to just not let the magic gone or [TS]

  whenever that real really that into it [TS]

  I hard time getting into it and as the [TS]

  season progressed I felt that the [TS]

  characters acted less like human beings [TS]

  understandable motivations and more like [TS]

  obvious standards or symbols where they [TS]

  were supposed to mean something or stand [TS]

  for something or move the story along [TS]

  and so because I couldn't really connect [TS]

  to any of the characters or empathize [TS]

  with their motivations that much i [TS]

  thought you know this already watching [TS]

  one show where the characters i don't [TS]

  like the human beings and Terra Nova's [TS]

  free so yeah the spell was broken yeah [TS]

  plus I'm kind of tired of zombies yeah I [TS]

  hear you you know i mean i-i don't mind [TS]

  reading not i don't mind i do think [TS]

  walking dead is a great comic book you [TS]

  know it's robert kirkman and I think [TS]

  it's really solid work and i think that [TS]

  the story plays out well in the comics [TS]

  medium it might actually be kind of [TS]

  challenging to do in television in the [TS]

  way just because your brain doesn't have [TS]

  to fill in some of the gory details are [TS]

  laid out for you like i said i have a [TS]

  hard time connecting the character the [TS]

  show inspired me to read all of the [TS]

  comics and then the comics ruin the show [TS]

  for me because there's so much better [TS]

  this comments or nightmare fuel they [TS]

  have their friends really good [TS]

  they're very grim they are no oh yeah [TS]

  the word of the day is grim [TS]

  that's you that letter changeup on once [TS]

  upon a time it out that said did anybody [TS]

  see vm the web only series that they did [TS]

  is an interstitial between those cute [TS]

  it's like what you're reading is what it [TS]

  was all my gosh yeah well I like that [TS]

  the production values like it you know [TS]

  yeah I could just [TS]

  it looks like a web thing it's like they [TS]

  gave a guy [TS]

  camera and not much of a budget and [TS]

  going to film this little story point [TS]

  and you know the kind of me trailer for [TS]

  dead island was better than that if you [TS]

  want to go for it but the trailer for [TS]

  dead island probably that's a game by [TS]

  the way about zombies probably cost a [TS]

  lot more than those webisodes [TS]

  so how many times up to the webisodes [TS]

  alright so let's talk about the other [TS]

  ones that I wanted to bring up i want to [TS]

  bring up fringe which is back we talked [TS]

  about that a bit last time I believed [TS]

  she seen ones having a good season two [TS]

  episodes of fringe so far actually i am [TS]

  all cut up and i gotta say i I've really [TS]

  enjoyed this season it's a you remember [TS]

  what I said at the end of the last [TS]

  season though I forget what you say John [TS]

  my prophecy ask my prophecy probably has [TS]

  come to pass and always will be you know [TS]

  Pacey has been erased from history well [TS]

  what has he been dropped from the show [TS]

  now he's still employed so now we have [TS]

  to endure season of well what we're [TS]

  supposed to forgotten but I sense him i [TS]

  said here is the boy and my heart my [TS]

  love for me now open the space-time [TS]

  continuum at that interested me less [TS]

  than Walters interactions with him which [TS]

  is that you know what we basically [TS]

  thinks he's insane [TS]

  I don't want any interactions with him [TS]

  if he's erased from history is written [TS]

  Mystery he's not he's not what I'm [TS]

  liking about the show so far this year [TS]

  is that they they did I thought quite a [TS]

  brilliant thing in the season finale [TS]

  which is create a portal basically merge [TS]

  the two universes together in the sense [TS]

  that there's a portal and you can just [TS]

  walk from one into the other and [TS]

  therefore they in the I told this to [TS]

  dance city in the city [TS]

  yeah yeah exactly and I told i told dan [TS]

  after I'd seen the first episode and [TS]

  he'd already seen the second i said what [TS]

  they need to do is have like a crime [TS]

  that can only be solved by going into [TS]

  the other and he's like oh that's the [TS]

  second episode it's like a little dead [TS]

  that's a great i really a lot of that [TS]

  second episode which was kind of super [TS]

  creepy which basically involved in one [TS]

  universe there's a serial killer and in [TS]

  this universe is a criminology professor [TS]

  so they bring him over to like consult [TS]

  but not telling him that he's the [TS]

  murderer that their consulting on half [TS]

  which I think about halfway through [TS]

  unfortunately it loses they decide they [TS]

  need to accelerate things but like I [TS]

  just sort of SAT there thinking about [TS]

  this would be like the creepiest short [TS]

  story ever like this would be a great [TS]

  short story and I like that I like a lot [TS]

  of the parallel universe stuff they do i [TS]

  love that they brought [TS]

  our universe Lincoln Lee in as the as a [TS]

  sort of partner in the interim I like a [TS]

  lot of the subtle changes in and some [TS]

  not so subtle changes in the way that [TS]

  the characters have developed in this [TS]

  alternative universe because not only is [TS]

  it a parallel universe Peregrino adverse [TS]

  but it's an alternate timeline now too [TS]

  right [TS]

  well so I don't like what they've done [TS]

  with the characters are actually don't [TS]

  think Olivia they've they've made her [TS]

  distinctly different character in some [TS]

  in some small ways [TS]

  Walter obviously is a very different [TS]

  character in many ways like he's [TS]

  basically a shut-in he won't leave the [TS]

  lab you see all of us the good work that [TS]

  Peter has done with him over the past [TS]

  three years has totally been you know [TS]

  undone and worse the dynamics are [TS]

  different you know between the team and [TS]

  in some different ways it's I don't know [TS]

  I really this is this is one of the [TS]

  shows that a key every season it grows [TS]

  on me and and I find I like it more and [TS]

  more so I'm I'm incident now that I've [TS]

  sort of reach far enough that that that [TS]

  Peter has become more part of the [TS]

  equation so I'm interested to see where [TS]

  it goes from here [TS]

  has anybody here does anybody here [TS]

  listen to or have you ever listened to [TS]

  the Phil hungry show [TS]

  oh yeah I don't talk radio variety I'm [TS]

  sure actually have Lisa it will Henry is [TS]

  this this radio talk show host who does [TS]

  his own basically his his Colin guests [TS]

  are you him he's doing the voices and [TS]

  one of the bits that he does from time [TS]

  to time is somebody will put somebody on [TS]

  hold and they'll force their way off of [TS]

  hold their will their way out of all [TS]

  that sort of that sort of i thought of [TS]

  that with with this whole thing with [TS]

  with Peter willing his way out of the [TS]

  you know out of non-existence in the [TS]

  space-time continuum than that it's been [TS]

  good support but you know willing his [TS]

  way out of a sort of a metaphysical hold [TS]

  as it were [TS]

  I like the to Olivia's especially since [TS]

  with the alternate history [TS]

  Olivia in the main universe she's a [TS]

  little bit less of a wet blanket than [TS]

  the old one was so seeing her bounce off [TS]

  of Olivia yeah like in that episode [TS]

  where they crossed over everything that [TS]

  that those two characters interests me [TS]

  because I think we all kind of talk [TS]

  about how we wrote her off a little bit [TS]

  as an actress from the beginning of the [TS]

  first season because [TS]

  it was just kind of blah but then you [TS]

  know once she gets to play that other [TS]

  characters we sort of come alive and I [TS]

  like that interaction i also like to [TS]

  alternate yeah she's more [TS]

  three-dimensional in in within this [TS]

  alternate timeline i also i'm looking [TS]

  forward to greatly the moment when when [TS]

  Lincoln and Lincoln meet because those [TS]

  are two other characters that I think [TS]

  are 50 difference of what they've done [TS]

  such a great job with the alternates of [TS]

  having them be different characters that [TS]

  honestly I go long periods of time [TS]

  watching the show and this is full [TS]

  credit to them not just the special [TS]

  effects but the actors into the with the [TS]

  writers I go I go long periods of time [TS]

  without realizing that i am actually [TS]

  watching the same actor playing both [TS]

  parts because you know Olivia and her [TS]

  duplicate are completely different [TS]

  characters and they do have done a very [TS]

  good job of that it doesn't feel like [TS]

  different mannerisms different speech [TS]

  patterns different yeah it's impressive [TS]

  yeah it's not like you're watching The [TS]

  Parent Trap so they have they have them [TS]

  both in the same wigs that was the best [TS]

  part because the full Livia is trying to [TS]

  round up like a little but you can still [TS]

  tell me tell us are even though she's [TS]

  trying to look exactly like the other [TS]

  one and apparently in and another little [TS]

  twist we have the apparently Broyles is [TS]

  still alive in the afternoon in the [TS]

  canyons they changed history [TS]

  simplysilent that was a parallel [TS]

  universe alternate timeline that was [TS]

  suddenly done actually where they talk [TS]

  about Broyles so I am I turned to I'm [TS]

  like I don't know why I think he was [TS]

  dead so and but it's just like you know [TS]

  nobody was here because in that whole [TS]

  incident where the full Olivia was in [TS]

  our universe yeah and so that ever [TS]

  happened because Peter was never there [TS]

  yeah it's it's uh yeah it's it's a quite [TS]

  a mind-bending kind of thing but it's an [TS]

  enjoyable time enjoying it i really am [TS]

  having a good series with that i'm [TS]

  looking forward to the future episodes [TS]

  and I know there are I heard they're [TS]

  bringing back jared harris who I really [TS]

  loved as an antagonist the from mad men [TS]

  alright so i want to also mention before [TS]

  we go one more show on my list that i [TS]

  want to miss this community which is a [TS]

  sitcom [TS]

  so why even bring it up but first off [TS]

  you're listening to this podcast you [TS]

  have a watch community [TS]

  you owe it to yourself to watch it just [TS]

  try it i think there is there so much in [TS]

  there that that people have a gear [TS]

  persuasion [TS]

  will love that one episode in particular [TS]

  which is called remedial chaos theory in [TS]

  which the characters live a seven [TS]

  different alternate timelines based on [TS]

  who goes downstairs to get the pizza is [TS]

  one of the funniest things i've i've [TS]

  seen on TV and like five or ten years [TS]

  great episode and then you you you nerds [TS]

  out there may also appreciate the [TS]

  running gag this season where one of the [TS]

  characters Abed discovers a new TV show [TS]

  that is my favorite show which is called [TS]

  Inspector Spacetime which may resemble [TS]

  other long-running British shows a or [TS]

  not as i understand it there's another [TS]

  particular british show which is [TS]

  basically just a ripoff of Inspector [TS]

  Spacetime yes yes it is a knockoff of [TS]

  its an inspector spacetime is a is a [TS]

  British police inspector who with his [TS]

  partner who is a a British cop with a [TS]

  big tall Hatton and a nightstick they [TS]

  travel in a phone booth through time and [TS]

  space and so it's a long-running show [TS]

  has been on since the sixties yes yes [TS]

  inspector spacetime anyway so that's [TS]

  that's in there and and and remedial [TS]

  chaos theory fantastic episode with [TS]

  multiple timelines great show lots of [TS]

  insane premises that make it that's what [TS]

  makes it not just your regular your [TS]

  regular run-of-the-mill sitcom they they [TS]

  try very hard to do kind of outlandish [TS]

  episodes and i love i love community [TS]

  dearly so i want to recommend it and [TS]

  this season has 100% more John Goodman [TS]

  which yes it does with animals percent [TS]

  more Omar from the wire and yes I work [TS]

  for the wires in it as I was rather than [TS]

  one of my favorite random aside moments [TS]

  in this entire season is what happened [TS]

  to legos you'll know what I'm talking [TS]

  about it and I didn't know what he was [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  yes yes I know exactly anybody of a [TS]

  certain age knows exactly what it is [TS]

  talking about yeah [TS]

  yes none of these conversations I'm [TS]

  having make any sense but that's [TS]

  it's a love that show clearly that they [TS]

  gonna do a puppet episode in musical [TS]

  episode 2i it's only a matter of time [TS]

  they've done a claymation episode so [TS]

  they did they did and the dungeons [TS]

  dragons contest last year which was a [TS]

  fantastic summer houses and yes [TS]

  paintball episodes each other so many [TS]

  good so many good episodes yes you do it [TS]

  to yourself to watch watch community [TS]

  placement any other shows coming back at [TS]

  you guys particularly like that you want [TS]

  to give a public to announce the time we [TS]

  have a conversation with myself about [TS]

  supernatural season 7 has been excellent [TS]

  conversation with myself about haven but [TS]

  that's just it'sit's another [TS]

  entertaining little it's the end of the [TS]

  week you don't want to think too hard [TS]

  its favorite starfish [TS]

  yes I find network that the amanda [TS]

  tapping protects an alien animals from [TS]

  now you know that's what everyone know [TS]

  anybody that show is the real so yeah [TS]

  that's been sanctuary oh that I think [TS]

  you should see century seems like it [TS]

  should be about months and visualization [TS]

  sanctuary [TS]

  yeah it's absolutely it's yeah [TS]

  absolutely no this is basic basically [TS]

  it's a show where the episodes have here [TS]

  you're an FAA ran an FBI agent who may [TS]

  or may not actually that page [TS]

  she's not sure has to deal is is exiled [TS]

  to a small main town where and she deals [TS]

  with a freak of the week while also [TS]

  unraveling kuester ultimately this is [TS]

  based on a stephen king it was nominally [TS]

  based on going to sweat it okay yeah in [TS]

  that they were both written in english [TS]

  language haha well takes place in Maine [TS]

  come on yes that's what i think is [TS]

  copyrighted mean by this point hasn't [TS]

  yes that's what you want higher state of [TS]

  Maine to get a permission from Stephen [TS]

  King to film in Maine or to say they [TS]

  were filming me [TS]

  yeah purgatory this man okay so Haven so [TS]

  Haven so it's it's it's it's funny it's [TS]

  it's it's got a nice light sensing about [TS]

  itself and they give give people credit [TS]

  for for being able to pay attention from [TS]

  week to week but they it's also good [TS]

  show did in and out if you don't want to [TS]

  pay a lot of attention and have slowed [TS]

  decompression of a plot over an entire [TS]

  season write and draw and sorry dan dan [TS]

  loves supernatural why you know I i will [TS]

  say i will say that that grim is a poor [TS]

  man supernatural sorry SI it is you have [TS]

  never seen maybe for natural but I don't [TS]

  get it does [TS]

  it does the it does it better does the [TS]

  supernatural the creepy strange [TS]

  creatures and monsters thing it does it [TS]

  better but their know-how there no there [TS]

  no teen teen heartthrobs and grandma do [TS]

  you think that guy wasn't cast because [TS]

  it's a heartthrob really knows cast [TS]

  because the guy who looks like branded [TS]

  rufiyaa for her superb acting ability [TS]

  yeah you're just clearly alright [TS]

  supernatural so if you like rim you love [TS]

  supernatural travel back in time eight [TS]

  years and watch that instead it's all [TS]

  gonna be on netflix oh it's very good [TS]

  then I'll watch it right all right any [TS]

  other returning shows we should we [TS]

  should make the listeners aware of what [TS]

  my sunday nights a banish my wife from [TS]

  the liver and because you cannot watch [TS]

  walking dead because it's too tense for [TS]

  her and then after walking dead i watch [TS]

  dexter so Dexter is back and she she can [TS]

  tell you like to unwind on sunday nights [TS]

  but you're telling i do I like to watch [TS]

  zombies in serial killers any and then [TS]

  you're covered in blood and need to [TS]

  rinse off before center time [TS]

  ah ok any other shows before we go any [TS]

  other things you'd like to recommend any [TS]

  play shows i watch that I'm not gonna [TS]

  recommend alright so so on that note now [TS]

  that we've given people I it's like a [TS]

  dozen shows they can watch only a few of [TS]

  which we actually recommend so we [TS]

  basically wasted [TS]

  not only this hour of the listeners time [TS]

  but many other hours of their lives will [TS]

  be watching these TV shows that we're [TS]

  job well done [TS]

  tweet me if you want to watch revenge on [TS]

  pacific time that's very good LOL [TS]

  Schwyzer anything wanna watch revenge on [TS]

  pacific time and join in the fun [TS]

  the Hamptons will never be the same [TS]

  after the revenge is wrought [TS]

  Oh or other thing altitude into revenge [TS]

  but of course i will end up watching [TS]

  process but it's got it he's got to this [TS]

  TV is like what there's only private the [TS]

  only show that's on its right again [TS]

  every channel its prime suspect [TS]

  its main irate Scott's TV lady no it's [TS]

  not that's right [TS]

  soon we'll find Scott and he'll be where [TS]

  Maria Bello goes to the Hamptons prevent [TS]

  yeah so so we've now covered many many [TS]

  shows from the falsies [TS]

  is only hope we've maybe maybe made you [TS]

  interested in something that you were [TS]

  otherwise not interested in or maybe or [TS]

  maybe lisa has frightened you away from [TS]

  American Horror Story oh no I guess that [TS]

  this thing is it is a work of lunatic [TS]

  I wouldn't say brilliance maybe it's [TS]

  just shiny blue tick shininess yeah and [TS]

  shiny and when in doubt just ask scott [TS]

  Mykelti and he'll tell you that the show [TS]

  he's watching his prime suspect [TS]

  exactly check that out of things we've [TS]

  learned profits prime suspect all the [TS]

  way down all the way down if you turn [TS]

  lbc on chances are prime suspect but [TS]

  suspect will be on unless its community [TS]

  it was a prime suspect [TS]

  so until next time I want to thank my [TS]

  guess who watch a lot of TV which is [TS]

  nice because i don't have enough time to [TS]

  watch all that myself I have to delegate [TS]

  tv-watching to others it's this is my [TS]

  life so thank you to Scotland LT thank [TS]

  you very much thank you for watching TV [TS]

  and and I'm and you and your wife need [TS]

  to work out some sort of deal where you [TS]

  don't have to watch a gifted man if she [TS]

  doesn't have to watch the walking dead [TS]

  that's that is true i don't want to [TS]

  watch it but i think i'm going to okay [TS]

  well it was nice knowing you I'm sorry [TS]

  John siracusa thank you for thank you [TS]

  for being here as always thank you all [TS]

  for validating my decision is not to [TS]

  watch certain show that's right you get [TS]

  a delegation it's great teamwork [TS]

  teamwork you don't have to watch all the [TS]

  shows other people watch them for you [TS]

  been boy check thank you very much for [TS]

  being here and I I loved your enthusiasm [TS]

  about boss I felt like you and Scott [TS]

  made a connection [TS]

  yes and thank you for having me now go [TS]

  to hell of a lot of you that's well said [TS]

  that the boss everybody plus dan more'n [TS]

  thanks for being here and thanks for [TS]

  plugging supernatural you [TS]

  oh I will plug it to my dying gay [TS]

  payment from the dreamy boy supernatural [TS]

  will be in the mail that that's not [TS]

  actually that sounds pretty sweet yeah i [TS]

  have a bunch of other shows that i would [TS]

  but i don't wanna be laughed at anymore [TS]

  haha for to him we're walking your one [TS]

  now Jason yeah now we're gonna forget [TS]

  don't forget okay we'll leave it where [TS]

  it is and Lisa Schmeisser thank you as [TS]

  always for being on it was a pleasure [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  until next time you've got lots of goat [TS]

  TV go watch TV now because we're done [TS]

  until next time for the uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks for listening [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  today I'm really have more embarrassing [TS]

  shows than revenge revenge not [TS]

  embarrassing at all to go back [TS]

  supernaturals way more embarrassing but [TS]

  I don't know and I haven't seen either [TS]

  one but I've heard them now both of them [TS]

  described at length and I don't know [TS]

  so Dan rally rally shows often [TS]

  yeah well I don't I got a lot of ones [TS]

  that probably people do i mean i I'm [TS]

  sorry no fires just even it up castle by [TS]

  Catherine hood [TS]

  I hate pad I like to experiment I hawaii [TS]

  five-o oh yeah watched perception psych [TS]

  always watching that this really like it [TS]

  burn notice is coming back its back to [TS]

  give him more work Jason over to fairs [TS]

  as it just scratches that's terrible spy [TS]

  itch i have how is this even possible [TS]

  it's wasn't on tape because that [TS]

  terrible spy it i have would be an [TS]

  awesome awesome title and I mean I'm [TS]

  still working on today-- operator [TS]

  recording as well [TS]

  yes for anything else on my list that i [TS]

  didn't actually mention i think that [TS]

  pretty much I mean uh no one mentioned [TS]

  parks rec that's actually good show that [TS]

  is hard to recognize you already have no [TS]

  shame i have no shame about parks [TS]

  recreation know it's a lot of shows it's [TS]

  a great show i watch a lot of TV I live [TS]

  alone John here [TS]

  oh no kids lives alone why it kept him [TS]

  to get this your bodies in the freezer [TS]

  really but speaking of dexter uh I love [TS]

  dexter I also my wife makes me watch The [TS]

  Good Wife which I actually like my wife [TS]

  my wife watches that too i can't i can't [TS]

  do it i is going on I got to that was a [TS]

  reference to the good wife on [TS]

  supernatural huh [TS]

  it is the gateway to all knowledge [TS]

  basically yes through their dance [TS]

  unified supernatural field Barack [TS]

  Obama's your bicycle and supernatural is [TS]

  dancing spaced yep it is pretty much it [TS]

  has become that this year now that I've [TS]

  watched all of it [TS]

  okay I'm gonna hang up now now that we [TS]

  know the secret of damn shame which is [TS]

  that he watches I'm suspects about the [TS]

  site don't watch [TS]

  I don't want this is--that's be i only [TS]

  watch prime suspect family get me [TS]

  confused my arch-nemesis exact not [TS]

  Scott's world it's like I like that [TS]

  there's the prime suspect with a woman [TS]

  in the Hat is the prime suspect for the [TS]

  two guys who solve crime [TS]

  I'm suspect that's the sitcom on prime [TS]

  suspect where she talks to her dead [TS]

  husband that's right it's in the show [TS]

  has surprising rain shine Dennis the Hat [TS]

  is the only after week everyone with [TS]

  something to have you think it's [TS]

  something different no I like it [TS]