The Incomparable

60: Thanks For Everything... Now Go Die

 

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  welcome back to the interoperable we [TS]

  have been for this whole season of the [TS]

  BBC's Doctor Who we've been taking time [TS]

  every few weeks to talk about the latest [TS]

  episodes and now we have reached the end [TS]

  the last episodes of this sixth season [TS]

  of the relaunch doctor who have come and [TS]

  gone and so we're going to talk about [TS]

  the last few episodes which we haven't [TS]

  had a chance to chat about yet and also [TS]

  the season as a whole [TS]

  joining me to discuss this well I should [TS]

  say I'm Jason smell the host of the [TS]

  uncomfortable joining me to discuss that [TS]

  this my lovely and talented panelists [TS]

  and Fleischmann hi glen IL a panelist [TS]

  thank you and lovely and or talented [TS]

  John siracusa hi John [TS]

  hello Jason in more'n hello Dan [TS]

  digestion commute to me with all these [TS]

  black tick marks on my arms mean I'll [TS]

  explain later and Scott McNulty welcome [TS]

  to the podcast yet again [TS]

  hello hello also joining me tonight is [TS]

  serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hello hello Jason glad to be here it's [TS]

  good to have you [TS]

  so the season the season is over I know [TS]

  we haven't talked about the last what [TS]

  three episodes though we've got a we've [TS]

  got some of that to talk about the [TS]

  finale aired this past week I guess we [TS]

  have where to where to start I i think i [TS]

  want to start with the finale maybe we [TS]

  can backtrack a little bit back into [TS]

  interesting weekend guess began do this [TS]

  in a non linear sequence of time because [TS]

  times like that I interesting that this [TS]

  was a single episode not a two-part [TS]

  blowout season finale like I've had in [TS]

  the past their wedding of River Song as [TS]

  it was called and i watched it a couple [TS]

  of times there's the first time I [TS]

  watched I I I like parts of it but I was [TS]

  also caught up and sort of what the [TS]

  resolution of the plot was going to be [TS]

  and i watch the second time and actually [TS]

  liked it a great deal more [TS]

  more than I did the first time which is [TS]

  kind of interesting but I didn't think [TS]

  it was kind of a strange episode and I'm [TS]

  just sort of curious to start out what [TS]

  did you guys think of the other finale [TS]

  well I was happy to see the return of my [TS]

  favorite character of course i know it's [TS]

  ridiculous but I like seeing durham i [TS]

  just love that actor and I love the role [TS]

  and it's so ridiculous dorium maldovar [TS]

  anybody get the new jobby the genie from [TS]

  people around show been going there [TS]

  oh look at hi mekka hiney ho yes [TS]

  yeah i was baltimore and he was [TS]

  hilarious even when he was just a head [TS]

  in a box reactor ama to when so it [TS]

  really all right it's true but it was a [TS]

  good thing it will its signal that the [TS]

  thing that signaled i think was that [TS]

  this wasn't going to be a Daleks kill [TS]

  everybody despite how the episode open [TS]

  this was going to be a Daleks kill [TS]

  everybody Cyberman creepy everyone dies [TS]

  the doctor loses a companion horrible [TS]

  sort of thing even though it's about the [TS]

  doctors def it's opens with pretty much [TS]

  I mean shortly and you can pay a crazy [TS]

  game of electric bill electrocution [TS]

  chess and then which was my great [TS]

  benefits great guy out of a Dungeons and [TS]

  Dragons ad from 1973 and and then you [TS]

  get a blue head in a box that speaks a [TS]

  marvelous Sydney Greenstreet toad and so [TS]

  you know this is me more of a lark then [TS]

  something that makes you freaked out and [TS]

  so I mean you know you can't contrast [TS]

  that with the episodes in which which I [TS]

  think all involve Daleks or something [TS]

  like in which stated tenants [TS]

  regeneration happened the season finales [TS]

  in different seasons the ones where our [TS]

  favorite where Donna Noble gets sort of [TS]

  her memory wiped and it's like this is a [TS]

  different kind of thing I would say well [TS]

  it's interesting that Steven Moffat i [TS]

  think is deliberate you know he's very [TS]

  carefully established his own continuity [TS]

  and his own story lines going out and i [TS]

  think in a way that you know Russell T [TS]

  Davies with the first few seasons he [TS]

  very much tried to bring back or build [TS]

  on all the pre-existing mythology so [TS]

  hence we having you know these climax is [TS]

  that involve Daleks and Cyberman and [TS]

  stuff that you know where were [TS]

  long-running pieces of the Doctor Who [TS]

  mythology and now we have this [TS]

  interesting you know continuity that [TS]

  that Steven Moffat has created [TS]

  and I was thinking that the the [TS]

  beginning at least of this finale [TS]

  reminded me a lot of the episode 2 which [TS]

  is kind of a spiritual successor which [TS]

  is a good man goes to war the [TS]

  half-season cliffhanger has the same [TS]

  sort of pacing in that beginning right [TS]

  where he's going to all these different [TS]

  places and sort of recruiting you know [TS]

  different people and different seeing [TS]

  different parts of his life and talking [TS]

  about different people he's known and [TS]

  there are a few references thrown in of [TS]

  course to the prior continuity as well [TS]

  but they're not the centerpiece right [TS]

  there's the sort of garnishing on this [TS]

  story that we've been following this [TS]

  entire season which is you know the [TS]

  doctors death and so I think that it's [TS]

  very it was it was a nice one it was a [TS]

  nice conclusion or is a nice piece of [TS]

  this our kinetic it pays homage to all [TS]

  the stuff that came before it without [TS]

  while not making that the like raison [TS]

  d'etre for this episode let's let's [TS]

  reread resurrect yet another classic [TS]

  Doctor Who enemy i say that Scott what [TS]

  about you [TS]

  well I thought that you know everyone [TS]

  you're watching this episode and you [TS]

  know the doctor is not going to die at [TS]

  the end so that kind of takes the whole [TS]

  dramatic force from the episode does a [TS]

  letter is it is it is it will you want [TS]

  to see how he does it the right like [TS]

  that's the thing with the doctor right [TS]

  make it so obvious within like the first [TS]

  10 minutes of how he's going to do it [TS]

  they might as well have just winked and [TS]

  when he said when the guy said if [TS]

  there's anything else we could do for [TS]

  you are you doing good for you because I [TS]

  didn't buy it and I had I was still on [TS]

  my theory of the flesh from you know [TS]

  earlier this month and watch dr. are [TS]

  being distracted by here earlier [TS]

  theories because that was really [TS]

  telegraphed you think so i don't i don't [TS]

  think so i wouldn't happen I turned to [TS]

  my wife and I said well there goes the [TS]

  flesh theory [TS]

  well no that was my problem still in the [TS]

  context of the episode is I think this [TS]

  is a felony or but the doctor has [TS]

  regeneration energy they showed it [TS]

  clearly so how did the robot ever [TS]

  created it [TS]

  I mean I thought about a regenerate I [TS]

  thought about god I mean I guess so [TS]

  special effects people on Doctor Who and [TS]

  the year 2011 can fake it so what would [TS]

  enter the what content you like to be [TS]

  able to get all those ago [TS]

  what can a robot yes to go ahead Scott [TS]

  sorry i just wanted to you know I I [TS]

  didn't I I didn't see that one coming i [TS]

  guess because I was so far into so many [TS]

  other different theories that I think it [TS]

  was right in front of me I just had [TS]

  never considered that was going to be [TS]

  about the way out anyway go ahead [TS]

  well I had no theory so you know I [TS]

  wonder how he's gonna do it and then I [TS]

  that wonder went away almost immediately [TS]

  and I was like well okay that was my [TS]

  disappointed acknowledgement of how it [TS]

  was going to do it but I mean it was a [TS]

  fun episode but I don't know it just [TS]

  kind of the whole i think the the [TS]

  dramatic it lacked gravitas i guess or [TS]

  something for me I I just didn't see the [TS]

  point of it because i already knew how [TS]

  he was he was not going to die so [TS]

  there's no point in I didn't know part [TS]

  of the episode was because it just [TS]

  seemed to make the whole arc bring a [TS]

  little hollow for me [TS]

  alright John how about you think you [TS]

  guys know my usual complain about dr. [TS]

  with that they they can't agree on the [TS]

  rules of the universe and they like to [TS]

  play fast and loose with everything went [TS]

  just fine whatever is what they want to [TS]

  do i but they made this finale hinge on [TS]

  these poorly defined universe rules [TS]

  because like the whole season maybe [TS]

  after always going to die it's a fixed [TS]

  point it's a fixed point supposed to [TS]

  mean anything you could you put [TS]

  substitute to other words for fixed [TS]

  point it would be equally meaningful to [TS]

  the degree that they explained it so [TS]

  they're very adamant that like all you [TS]

  can't you know this is for some reason [TS]

  the script [TS]

  this is a fixed point and we can't [TS]

  change this once you're gonna die even [TS]

  though you have a time machine your [TS]

  all-powerful blood is accepted and of [TS]

  course this episode the turn in this [TS]

  episode is guess what it's not really a [TS]

  fixed point because river song and [TS]

  freeze time and then time will be [TS]

  destroyed in blood but look I don't know [TS]

  I just do that doesn't bother me because [TS]

  the whole life I think the whole idea [TS]

  there is that fixed point means you [TS]

  can't change it and the answer is well [TS]

  what happens if you try and the answer [TS]

  is bad things happen it doesn't work [TS]

  they change it he doesn't die will know [TS]

  they don't change it don't change he's [TS]

  there he does all the things that [TS]

  happened were supposed to happen no [TS]

  one's checking his pulse [TS]

  I considered it a cheat but if that's [TS]

  what always where I don't know that's [TS]

  what always happens though I mean are [TS]

  you arguing that there's a time thing [TS]

  I don't think it's the central point of [TS]

  the phone anyways right in the central [TS]

  point the episode about that like the [TS]

  choices in the characters and though the [TS]

  what their decisions are making no but I [TS]

  then don't hang your episode I don't [TS]

  care that you have poorly defined [TS]

  universe rules if you don't try to hang [TS]

  your plot points off of those poorly [TS]

  defined rules like you're gonna probably [TS]

  define use let them not get in the way [TS]

  of your plot but don't make them the [TS]

  cornerstone of your plot I mean [TS]

  presumably there will be another season [TS]

  of the show with matt smith and [TS]

  presumably the rest of the universe [TS]

  realize hot that dr. that we thought we [TS]

  killed like he's alive time you know [TS]

  time this is already all happened it's [TS]

  not like we're not sequential and but [TS]

  here we are with the records of the [TS]

  University the doctor died but clearly [TS]

  didn't die some robot thing that he was [TS]

  inside got blown up but he's fine [TS]

  no no but that that implies a certain [TS]

  superposition knowledge that which is [TS]

  that it's never I think the mythology [TS]

  the show there's an issue about how much [TS]

  she's perceiving time sequentially [TS]

  although he supposedly has something [TS]

  extra special knowledge of its own [TS]

  timeline sequential as is and is [TS]

  necessary access is often sequential [TS]

  across how he hops and for other people [TS]

  to know that he's dead like he's not [TS]

  dead in the university's not removed [TS]

  from the universe as with the previous [TS]

  season thing it's not like he's been [TS]

  erased it's more like at some point the [TS]

  doctor dies here's the date of his death [TS]

  but they don't exactly the ones keeping [TS]

  track of precisely what point the [TS]

  timeline is I think that's consistent [TS]

  because we got the doctor of course is [TS]

  dying across all in time and space all [TS]

  the time in various incarnations and no [TS]

  one makes a big deal about the Tom Baker [TS]

  i have many more complaints about this [TS]

  episode we do have a list of grievances [TS]

  you would like to know i do so that [TS]

  complaint i'm gonna i'm going to reject [TS]

  that complaint because i think i think i [TS]

  really get any incorrect sir you know [TS]

  you're saying well but he didn't die and [TS]

  that the whole point of the fixed point [TS]

  in time is is you can't change it and so [TS]

  how what would happen if you tried me [TS]

  answer is you would destroy everything [TS]

  in the fabric of the universe and start [TS]

  to come apart and that's what he tells [TS]

  rivers you gotta do this you know you [TS]

  cannot do this this is a fixed point [TS]

  that its a cheat in the sense that the [TS]

  obvious one which is of course he's not [TS]

  gonna die [TS]

  there's going to be some way where he [TS]

  gets out of it but she still shoots him [TS]

  they still put his body on the thing and [TS]

  put the gasoline on and so on fire and [TS]

  cast adrift in the lake [TS]

  the only difference is now we know that [TS]

  it's the test selector and he [TS]

  no and he's inside and it doesn't even [TS]

  affect the thing so there's a cheap [TS]

  there but it's not easy to the to the [TS]

  rules of the universe i think i think [TS]

  that yeah i think its faithful so that I [TS]

  think they would not have records been [TS]

  dying here is that I could have made it [TS]

  not a cheap don't show that don't show [TS]

  that someone in the universe thinks that [TS]

  this is the time that the doctor died [TS]

  not these events happened but this is [TS]

  the time the doctor that they never [TS]

  showed that I don't think there was a [TS]

  reason to show that because we have the [TS]

  audience believe he died he gets lit on [TS]

  fire everyone could talk about him dying [TS]

  don't have the all-knowing we are the [TS]

  police of time and we go inside this [TS]

  little robots people don't have them [TS]

  have a record in their official files of [TS]

  him dying because it but there's no [TS]

  point in that and it undercuts there I [TS]

  mean what if they were complicit [TS]

  what if they agreed to keep you [TS]

  obviously they were right they agreed to [TS]

  keep it secret and create that this is [TS]

  this is why not a doctor faking faking [TS]

  his death essentially because everybody [TS]

  wants him dead so that he and and go [TS]

  back in the shadows like he says and I i [TS]

  don't think i also don't agree that this [TS]

  is something that next year you're gonna [TS]

  see that this continuing sort of the way [TS]

  that it's always been I think this is [TS]

  going to be a part of the recurring [TS]

  storyline is that he's trying to keep a [TS]

  low profile and not be famous and I [TS]

  think this is also Steven Moffat rain [TS]

  undo some of the russell davies stuff of [TS]

  he's the oncoming storm everybody knows [TS]

  him he can just say stop and everybody [TS]

  stops because they're afraid of him [TS]

  I think I think this is actually also a [TS]

  way for them to try to get back to [TS]

  stories where he's not famous basic [TS]

  laying around and they also they reset [TS]

  the clock he's now 200 years older and [TS]

  they're playing a molder matt smith i [TS]

  mean i don't think that's a subtle thing [TS]

  in the episode previous episode with our [TS]

  friend Craig which I'm blanking on the [TS]

  name of ready the closing time closing [TS]

  time a closing time he comes in and he [TS]

  is clearly world where he's older he's [TS]

  doing his valedictory thing he's not the [TS]

  david tennant doctor who spent a hundred [TS]

  years running around 40 with Queen [TS]

  Elizabeth and being hedonistic after the [TS]

  water of mars bars [TS]

  this is a different doctor is more [TS]

  serious and he's 20 years older and I [TS]

  mean I think that is part of resetting [TS]

  the universe is that you have a doctors [TS]

  now like I've done that I'm sick of that [TS]

  almost destroyed the universe again and [TS]

  so there's a point at which the you know [TS]

  if they've also given us they seated the [TS]

  next plot point which are the fields of [TS]

  trenzalore [TS]

  and at some point that's going to you [TS]

  know come up i don't think that's a the [TS]

  outside of the mythology and when we get [TS]

  to that it will be you know another [TS]

  season resolution and in that [TS]

  intervening time the doctors gonna be [TS]

  trying to keep his mouth shut and we'll [TS]

  see what happens now is my other problem [TS]

  with this episode story and the the [TS]

  question the oldest question known in [TS]

  the universe is Doctor Who yeah sorry [TS]

  900 years old you know it was dr. what [TS]

  happened is time machine is been back to [TS]

  the beginning you know remember when [TS]

  they went back and riverside message [TS]

  hello sweetie as silly as that is i also [TS]

  don't mind it because it is it for me it [TS]

  works on a on the metal level of in the [TS]

  fact that it ends with him kind of [TS]

  walking through the dark passageway with [TS]

  Dorian's uh head shopping Doctor Who [TS]

  Doctor Who and he smiles of natural I [TS]

  mean that's that you know that because [TS]

  it is the whole suggestion that his name [TS]

  and who he really is is relevant in some [TS]

  way and that that that is it was said [TS]

  actually in a line that i missed the [TS]

  first time I watched the episode that [TS]

  that the whole idea here is that that is [TS]

  something that once it said you know [TS]

  these things happen and that's what the [TS]

  silence is trying to stop by killing him [TS]

  and the funny thing now is that you know [TS]

  the silence thinks they've succeeded but [TS]

  they obviously have it now before we go [TS]

  back to John's list of grievances I want [TS]

  to ask serenity Caldwell what she [TS]

  thought of the season finale [TS]

  you know I actually I i liked it i was [TS]

  very entertained [TS]

  uh I'm frustrated that we have to wait a [TS]

  while to find out what comes next but I [TS]

  thought it was you know in comparison to [TS]

  the last sort of half part season finale [TS]

  good man goes to war [TS]

  I actually think i prefer this one [TS]

  whereas good man goes to war was very [TS]

  hectic and very very much i felt like oh [TS]

  god everything's happening at once and [TS]

  wait wait new characters and and and [TS]

  people and everything that happens at [TS]

  once in this episode that all his [TS]

  already happened I want but it's calmer [TS]

  literally as opposed to figuratively [TS]

  yes exactly everything literally happens [TS]

  at once in this episode and yet it was [TS]

  easier to swallow because you knew from [TS]

  the start when they introduced car [TS]

  is flying in Devlin's and and [TS]

  pterodactyls and you're like okay this [TS]

  is obviously something is going wrong [TS]

  and they will explain it to us shortly [TS]

  which they did but the actual but i felt [TS]

  the pacing was much I liked the idea of [TS]

  the doctor basically going around in the [TS]

  beginning of us and and going to various [TS]

  things and be like oh yeah I'm going to [TS]

  I'm going to tie up my loose ends told [TS]

  in flashback narrative which I actually [TS]

  think i like the best words you know you [TS]

  have that you have that wonderful trope [TS]

  of the soothsayer telling this story to [TS]

  the to the king more to the religious [TS]

  leaders it was really cool to see them [TS]

  twist and play on that and then having [TS]

  the Cabal of silence creatures to be [TS]

  what do we have a name for them other [TS]

  than silence creatures [TS]

  yeah there's a silent silent part of the [TS]

  silence yeah I'm was happy i think i [TS]

  like corpulent actors to some always [TS]

  happy to see in mcneese was a great [TS]

  character on the british TV chef I love [TS]

  him as Winston Churchill every time he [TS]

  appears i'm like all good corpulent two [TS]

  actors so John there's another two words [TS]

  so what we'll say it will say it this [TS]

  way that's always on the lake dr that's [TS]

  a corpulent actor in time and space can [TS]

  change it works I thought I thought that [TS]

  seemed with the two of them was was [TS]

  delightful with the weather where [TS]

  they're fighting off the silence but [TS]

  don't realize it [TS]

  yes it appears that we are fighting [TS]

  something why do I have a gun that's no [TS]

  I like that narrative device and I i [TS]

  think there have been times when when [TS]

  Marquez has played a little too cute [TS]

  with the with his his narrative devices [TS]

  but in this case I actually enjoyed the [TS]

  whole Churchill and the doctor met him [TS]

  sort of backing through the story and [TS]

  occasionally interrupting for you know a [TS]

  moment of sunshine as long as it's just [TS]

  a few of them [TS]

  yeah yeah that was that and then they [TS]

  look up where did you get the pen that's [TS]

  my question [TS]

  nobody always have markers on them and [TS]

  again oh yeah we have no other numbering [TS]

  system other than actually not a new [TS]

  thing that bothered me the most was this [TS]

  binary was the fact that so he doesn't [TS]

  in fact tell her his name when he [TS]

  whispers in writer and yet when we first [TS]

  met rivers on she tells him understand [TS]

  it's it's later i was presenting [TS]

  presumably at some point in the future [TS]

  he will yes it was [TS]

  yeah but I thought it would be funny if [TS]

  in fact she had she had just told him at [TS]

  that point [TS]

  look in my eyes I think that that would [TS]

  be funny maybe that is his name [TS]

  I think the whole you know she's going [TS]

  to the silence will fall when the [TS]

  question is answered I mean he is going [TS]

  to say it and he's gonna that's gonna be [TS]

  his name and she's going to hear it [TS]

  don't have we're going to know his name [TS]

  and that's dr who that's just out of [TS]

  sequence but you know what my wife and I [TS]

  were talking about this because she [TS]

  liked the episode and and she won't be [TS]

  on the podcast so she sends her regards [TS]

  but uh huh [TS]

  she and i were talking about it what I [TS]

  said was I feel like I feel like this [TS]

  didn't provide me with all of the kind [TS]

  of logical resolution i would like from [TS]

  from a finale but it did provide me much [TS]

  like last year actually with an [TS]

  emotional resolution I felt I felt like [TS]

  you know the things that mattered to me [TS]

  in terms of the storytelling and the [TS]

  characters were all kind of ticked off [TS]

  at the end I was like yes yes that [TS]

  that's all good and I can I can grow for [TS]

  you know plot things like why you know [TS]

  why build uh Apollo space suit and [TS]

  deploy it to kill somebody in the water [TS]

  in 2011 and i don't know why that is why [TS]

  did the TARDIS blow up last season the [TS]

  are we ever going to hear that it was [TS]

  are we just gonna forget about that [TS]

  because it's it was so long ago now that [TS]

  doesn't even remember that it happened [TS]

  you know stuff like that it was [TS]

  unsatisfying in a way but the stuff that [TS]

  you know about the characters and all [TS]

  that were much more satisfying [TS]

  I i think there's a great thing to those [TS]

  that we have to enjoy the day this is [TS]

  satisfying is when the silence this [TS]

  reminds me of the the thing they say [TS]

  Rory they're like [TS]

  Laurey Williams who dies oh yeah and i'm [TS]

  like somebody doesn't die [TS]

  yeah this is the comic relief in the in [TS]

  the two-parter i'm blanking on the name [TS]

  of the Daleks steal the earth in the [TS]

  diver assistant wonderful story Thank [TS]

  You and and the prime minister says I'm [TS]

  what's-her-name Harriet Jones Ontario [TS]

  Ontario who you however yes he asked me [TS]

  now oh you are the best comic relief [TS]

  moment the silence since that moment [TS]

  also we got it we got on Pont Amelia [TS]

  part this time which was great and i [TS]

  will say just to just to point this out [TS]

  and I'll see if the gentleman on the [TS]

  panel agree with me [TS]

  looks great and I had any problem [TS]

  looking about as good as ever look 100 [TS]

  not occur [TS]

  yeah and like the eyepatch III taking [TS]

  off and she's very nicely put on all her [TS]

  makeup under her eye patch [TS]

  even though she was presumably thinking [TS]

  if if you see under my eye black world [TS]

  bed and everything she's a mean she's a [TS]

  model right he's gotta think she's [TS]

  always thinking she's always prepared [TS]

  that's right Scott you know anything [TS]

  about my eye I loved it I loved the the [TS]

  rapport between her and roy i love the [TS]

  the drawing of him with the doctor [TS]

  tracking up about it [TS]

  that was great i love the after she [TS]

  saves Rory we should have a drink [TS]

  sometime and get married yeah okay [TS]

  no the moment I mean that's the other [TS]

  thing about this episode is the moments [TS]

  in this episode we're all at I think [TS]

  great [TS]

  I i think the only the only moment that [TS]

  I don't that doesn't work for me is the [TS]

  wedding on the roof of the pyramids lord [TS]

  why was it necessary and yeah yeah they [TS]

  don't really mean that [TS]

  what is she some help for this universe [TS]

  but they didn't do anything except send [TS]

  text messages to the Sun they will miss [TS]

  you could buy btdub would love to be [TS]

  there and busy sorry yeah [TS]

  dr. we send our best thanks for [TS]

  everything good luck would also die a [TS]

  happy death they love everyone everyone [TS]

  that there is one doctor who is point i [TS]

  mean the point was river trying to show [TS]

  him how important he was in that letter [TS]

  just walk into this and I tried all your [TS]

  friends don't want to help [TS]

  cute but you're really important the [TS]

  entire universe is almost completely [TS]

  destroyed because of a misunderstanding [TS]

  right because it's really the doctor [TS]

  saying referred no seriously go ahead [TS]

  and kill me seriously [TS]

  alright I'll tight go ahead it's telling [TS]

  me true she's being very immature in [TS]

  this section and I think it's funny [TS]

  because I think he keeps on trying to [TS]

  tell her you know he's like I'm [TS]

  disappointed in you this was a bad idea [TS]

  and she keeps on looking at him with [TS]

  lovey-dovey eyes and look I did this [TS]

  also yes River this is younger river so [TS]

  yeah I know they did that well when [TS]

  she's with her parents and she's acting [TS]

  like she's about 14 years old at the end [TS]

  and I thought oh she's pitching this [TS]

  just right [TS]

  she's acting like a teenager she may be [TS]

  in a 40 something year old woman's body [TS]

  but she's she's perfectly like mom daddy [TS]

  mommy's a drink [TS]

  how great was that the realization for a [TS]

  me that she's the doctors mother-in-law [TS]

  nothing else and weather for the wedding [TS]

  fallout with a moment all right like [TS]

  that's the way down her face [TS]

  yeah but I mean I feel like the doctor [TS]

  kind of had to marry hurt get her to [TS]

  agree to do anything which was a weird [TS]

  kind of it was a weird plot device [TS]

  that's how i got married but oh so much [TS]

  haha ah but the universe is ok it was [TS]

  worth it [TS]

  we're not really married the right [TS]

  because it isn't was there an old [TS]

  handsome man wife [TS]

  that's right isn't a bad wife I find the [TS]

  whole time lord things you have to tell [TS]

  your name and he didn't do that [TS]

  so which is funny because I i read [TS]

  somewhere that someone complaining about [TS]

  the fact that well you know she's trying [TS]

  to do river justifies a me not being a [TS]

  murderer because it was in a different [TS]

  timeline that never happened yet she [TS]

  still claims she's married however I [TS]

  think agreeing with Glen's point agree [TS]

  with Glen's point that she's you know [TS]

  this is not that there's nothing wrong [TS]

  with that like right of course it's [TS]

  irrational i think it's it's willfully [TS]

  irrational because she is a teenager [TS]

  it's like wow yeah okay but the things [TS]

  that matter are still true [TS]

  I get to kiss him and John before we [TS]

  move on talking about the rest of the [TS]

  season and the other couple of episodes [TS]

  would you like to unload a few more of [TS]

  here at think that utilizes rapid-fire [TS]

  like like your fire machine-gun a bunch [TS]

  of cider I tradition court ones so the [TS]

  wedding ceremony we just discussed [TS]

  yeah they have the scene where she's [TS]

  very like you know the whole universe [TS]

  can be destroyed as it were that [TS]

  whatever her [TS]

  our ultimatum thing and she goes yeah [TS]

  yes it is like we have like don't read [TS]

  previously they had they had river in [TS]

  their relationship kind of like there [TS]

  was this unseen depth roads all off [TS]

  camera we didn't know we had been privy [TS]

  to this information you know that we [TS]

  knew they met each other and they have [TS]

  this romance or something we never saw [TS]

  it but at this point we've seen them [TS]

  interact so many different stages in the [TS]

  timeline that and I was still not sold [TS]

  on this great love the worst also yes [TS]

  they have the conjugal visits in jail [TS]

  repeatedly or whatever you know that [TS]

  they hinted at there's still stuff off [TS]

  camera that we're not seeing the when [TS]

  did this relationship formed between [TS]

  them that's romantic [TS]

  I get more of a romantic vibe from from [TS]

  Rory and Amy than I do from those not [TS]

  that I'm saying that there they did a [TS]

  bad job or wasn't scripted but you can't [TS]

  sell the season ending in a moment on I [TS]

  love you so much I want to destroy the [TS]

  universe well sorry you didn't you [TS]

  didn't convince me of that I didn't get [TS]

  in find well it's an obsession isn't it [TS]

  it's I mean she's been indoctrinated [TS]

  basically right now [TS]

  uh-huh she's been indoctrinated to kill [TS]

  the doctor and then it swaps over [TS]

  basically once he frees her in my [TS]

  apologies that was an inadvertent yes I [TS]

  thought they were trying to pay more [TS]

  sincere than that but I don't know so [TS]

  that that ever did not ring true for me [TS]

  also where she had a sequence of the [TS]

  relationship right i think it's early so [TS]

  she's sort of maybe they're gonna grow [TS]

  in that relationship is always off [TS]

  camera we never get to see that romance [TS]

  just always assumed to be happening [TS]

  we may see it in the future when you're [TS]

  not gonna have a full episode of ramen [TS]

  like really but they had a false two [TS]

  full seasons of already got the doctor's [TS]

  wife was as close as we got that I I [TS]

  wouldn't i mean i-i other than the fact [TS]

  that I don't think alex kingston was [TS]

  interested because she's got up [TS]

  she's got a daughter in the u.s. you [TS]

  know they get big and put her in the [TS]

  show for a year and then be like see ya [TS]

  now we'll get those adventures but i [TS]

  don't think they ever will I think she [TS]

  will always this is what river song is [TS]

  made for she pops in and and there's a [TS]

  lot of stuff that sort of off-camera [TS]

  that you just have to take on faith and [TS]

  all right John [TS]

  what else what else you got for us so [TS]

  usually they have at the end of the [TS]

  season they like to put the universe or [TS]

  at the very least the earth in peril [TS]

  that's the thing right [TS]

  yeah and this new thing so this time I [TS]

  thought it was an interesting idea to [TS]

  say we're going to put the doctor in [TS]

  peril is not the universe is not the [TS]

  earth is just the doctor [TS]

  the personal story about him it's his [TS]

  crisis right they still have to go on to [TS]

  say like well it's not just dr. because [TS]

  the doctor goes away that puts the [TS]

  universe in peril because the universe [TS]

  needs the doctor can't they just have it [TS]

  as a nice season about him personally [TS]

  that's not enough at stake of a I I [TS]

  thought they'd waffled on I i hear ya I [TS]

  hear you on that uh and that actually [TS]

  something that I thought which is it's [TS]

  actually similar structure the last [TS]

  season's finale where there's kind of an [TS]

  alternate universe that's created [TS]

  because weird time things and people are [TS]

  in there and then it has to get fixed [TS]

  that the difference though this time [TS]

  which i thought was funny and there's a [TS]

  nice moment where this comes up is we're [TS]

  talking about what's wrong and the [TS]

  doctor says it's because i'm alive so [TS]

  the universe is broken now because he [TS]

  hasn't died not because he has and [TS]

  that's that's a nice twist because [TS]

  you're right they have many times [TS]

  they've done be you know we've got to [TS]

  say the doctor to save the universe and [TS]

  now it's like know you've gotta kill the [TS]

  doctor and they probably could have done [TS]

  more with that right i mean he you know [TS]

  they're there but you know it make sure [TS]

  they could have gone a different way [TS]

  with it but but I did think that was [TS]

  interesting even though it did seem a [TS]

  little bit reminiscent of the Big Bang [TS]

  from last year with the whole alternate [TS]

  history thing it was nice eternal [TS]

  stickers again now plugging his book on [TS]

  the BBC morning you know Meredith Vieira [TS]

  years obviously people while she was she [TS]

  was there with the today show and they [TS]

  did like a thing from the set and so [TS]

  they put her in the episode [TS]

  apparently that's the same way we don't [TS]

  know who these British celebrities are [TS]

  they don't know who are right the guys [TS]

  interviewing Charles Dickens reason and [TS]

  that is a great segue into closing time [TS]

  the previous episode which yours James [TS]

  Corden back is Craig from the larger [TS]

  which is one of my favorite episodes of [TS]

  last season and my understanding see [TS]

  where a bunch of Americans here [TS]

  my understanding is that James Corden [TS]

  who's got a famous popular sitcom i [TS]

  guess in the UK and lots of people [TS]

  really hate him at because they don't [TS]

  like a show animal and i have no idea [TS]

  what else he's done but I love him and [TS]

  the as craig and the rapport with with [TS]

  Matt's miss delightful this whole [TS]

  episode was delightful is a delight [TS]

  oh he's so adorable and it shows once [TS]

  again that the Cyberman are the worst [TS]

  villains and Doctor Who and they know [TS]

  we're not around and they know it right [TS]

  i mean that's the thing about this [TS]

  episode is that it's like well we got a [TS]

  comedy episode we Cybermen kinda looks [TS]

  scary but they're useless so we'll just [TS]

  have to be useless like all right I [TS]

  guess you mean the scariest villain in [TS]

  the episode was the little like [TS]

  cyber-render what is happening with the [TS]

  matter rat with you real mouth poorly [TS]

  composited real mouth i like to call him [TS]

  buddy yeah yeah yeah this whole episode [TS]

  was great that the doctor's report with [TS]

  Craig is awesome i love the first scene [TS]

  with I'm back [TS]

  you've redecorated i see i don't like it [TS]

  we moved into a new house the previous [TS]

  pitch up at the picture fantasy league [TS]

  pitch episode I've got to say there's [TS]

  parts of this is like the doctor and [TS]

  Craig they live together and become you [TS]

  know it's like it's like you're seeing [TS]

  like a sitcom I could do a 20-minute [TS]

  version of this every week fighting [TS]

  pantomime villain that would be an [TS]

  enjoyable said come to watch I have to [TS]

  admit we called the pantomime doctor I [TS]

  speak baby by the way right that will [TS]

  finish today little black yeah there was [TS]

  a man that wasn't mentioned it earlier i [TS]

  can remember when but I suppose it's now [TS]

  the pond right now melody pond right in [TS]

  a good man goes to work right right [TS]

  right for me i don't know that i love [TS]

  the I love the shape [TS]

  Shh oh yeah sure another life for ya [TS]

  you know what I mean no no not all of [TS]

  them just certain ones i mean i like [TS]

  that it works on Craig in particular [TS]

  right just once but it doesn't really [TS]

  work for bunch of time I love actually [TS]

  one of the things I love about I see [TS]

  that episode where the get a sci-fi plot [TS]

  is really not necessary it's their door [TS]

  aspects of gather have to this right is [TS]

  there to be there but some of the it's [TS]

  just funny and sweet and there's some [TS]

  moments that are really nice and i like [TS]

  i love the fact that the doctor gets a [TS]

  job at the department store employee and [TS]

  also lined up with the name tag that [TS]

  says the doctors don't I asked the [TS]

  doctor because that people buy but uh [TS]

  that everybody who works at the [TS]

  department store loves him and this is [TS]

  why don't you let you know your five [TS]

  they would [TS]

  it's like how does he do that with this [TS]

  power rake trying to get information was [TS]

  just the funniest because you could see [TS]

  he was being very earnest but at the [TS]

  same time so creepy [TS]

  look at my baby isn't keeping you every [TS]

  time I picture this episode of my mind I [TS]

  see Andy Richter instead of whoever this [TS]

  probably could do it in two [TS]

  interchangeable I've mapped i have [TS]

  mapped in American celebrity on that [TS]

  he's a little more sad sack then it than [TS]

  any rare but yes I can't get that image [TS]

  out of my head [TS]

  thanks John it and this is a case where [TS]

  I'm not gonna complain about the stupid [TS]

  Cyberman plot because it was so clearly [TS]

  not important to the episode in fact i [TS]

  would have liked it if they remove that [TS]

  plot you're not going to complain about [TS]

  the fact that the doctor says the ship [TS]

  is containing the explosion when they [TS]

  clearly show the explosion happening [TS]

  outside the show back that I think [TS]

  there's a ship or why was it done there [TS]

  it's just buried in material and save [TS]

  was power a well-loved and there's also [TS]

  some kind of love this is cute [TS]

  this is acually the business in the [TS]

  subsidy yeah maybe saved by love I what [TS]

  I like about that and it's something the [TS]

  doctor who has done going back to that [TS]

  first episode of the reboot with the how [TS]

  do we kill them being a living plastic [TS]

  well you just use anti plastic that this [TS]

  was like that where the doctor says well [TS]

  no you didn't really say from with love [TS]

  their it's very it's much more technical [TS]

  and yeah nevermind yeah sure you save [TS]

  him with love I love that because it's [TS]

  it's the show say it's really not [TS]

  important [TS]

  it sure [TS]

  just yes it was loved one hour it goes [TS]

  back to this whole Steven Moffat run [TS]

  being more of a fairy tale than [TS]

  scientific right right [TS]

  the logic is not as important or the [TS]

  science-fiction aspects are not as [TS]

  important as they were in previous [TS]

  iterations for sure everyone and I like [TS]

  that I like that in fact as John said [TS]

  cyber better in it you know the ship [TS]

  kinda looks cool and they got to reuse [TS]

  the set i think from a good man goes to [TS]

  war right and just dirty it up and and [TS]

  they're pointless and so there you there [TS]

  used his assessment is there's the funny [TS]

  they get the funny scene where he has [TS]

  Craig not turn around because they have [TS]

  teleported out of the elevator and into [TS]

  the cyber ship and lets you know that [TS]

  he's really good that's what their yeah [TS]

  that's a good use of the cyber bullying [TS]

  cranks interested that's the great part [TS]

  Craig is tempted [TS]

  he's like really well no I can't take it [TS]

  that you have been a doctor was awesome [TS]

  but no it wasn't all that surprised [TS]

  um I thought the biggest problems [TS]

  episode is really night terrors was it [TS]

  which we all sort of wonder if we all [TS]

  hate it i did not like night terrors [TS]

  very much i was what i was the only [TS]

  defender yeah yeah I sort of liked it it [TS]

  had but it was like it was about 10 [TS]

  minutes of a longer episode that they [TS]

  ran to 44 in this case you have the [TS]

  closing time was probably the complete [TS]

  realization of it three-dimensional [TS]

  characters you care about the baby you [TS]

  care about Craig there's a laughable [TS]

  threat but it's still Craig has to [TS]

  defend himself yesterday you know be a [TS]

  father and step into the role and so [TS]

  forth and it was very very funny too [TS]

  I had one issue with this episode and [TS]

  yes it was I thought the the idea you [TS]

  could have been in the Craig role to III [TS]

  do i am a husky fellow so i could have [TS]

  stepped in [TS]

  should-should no one else to be [TS]

  available but how do you work anywhere [TS]

  baby you should through I very carefully [TS]

  exactly i don't think i get Alicia slide [TS]

  I thought the the so was only like you [TS]

  know a minute but of having Amy and Rory [TS]

  in the department store and then having [TS]

  apparently a me being the spokesperson [TS]

  for perfume or was there you go that's [TS]

  petrichor just a little bit [TS]

  that's very nice that was unneeded [TS]

  unnecessary what I well what I liked [TS]

  about it is that is that the doctor sees [TS]

  them he's [TS]

  wants to talk to them and he had made [TS]

  the decision to not not see them and [TS]

  it's obviously been years two and he he [TS]

  turns away and doesn't see them and I I [TS]

  kind of liked that it was strange to [TS]

  have it in that episode but given that [TS]

  it's the one episode where we don't have [TS]

  Amy and Rory and it was strategic oh [TS]

  there they are and they're getting on [TS]

  with their lives and he's just gonna [TS]

  back away [TS]

  I i think that expected aspect of it [TS]

  didn't catch me you know yeah which was [TS]

  kind of interesting and she's signing an [TS]

  autograph why is she signing an [TS]

  autograph [TS]

  no she's and then we see this you know I [TS]

  kind of I kind of liked it only because [TS]

  we do drop them off in the with the [TS]

  previous episode and it's nice to have a [TS]

  little bit of call back there and see a [TS]

  they're doing ok without him and I think [TS]

  that's the real sort of book plz it's a [TS]

  it's a positive thing and a blow at the [TS]

  same time because he doesn't he wants to [TS]

  start and walk over to them and then [TS]

  then he stops when he sees the autograph [TS]

  and he stops when he sees no she's doing [TS]

  well and oh they're happy and maybe I [TS]

  shouldn't interfere and it's part of [TS]

  this whole continuum we're starting with [TS]

  the previous episode where he drops them [TS]

  off and then going through this going [TS]

  through stuff with Craig you know and [TS]

  realizing you know this is he's coming [TS]

  to the end of this road and then the [TS]

  stuff in the beginning of the final [TS]

  finale where not only does he talk sort [TS]

  of about going to visit everybody you [TS]

  know but he also he calls up the the [TS]

  Brigadier short huh yeah they get that [TS]

  tip of the head into the fact that the [TS]

  actor passed away earlier this year and [TS]

  but that's sort of what tips them over [TS]

  the edge where he starts to realize you [TS]

  know I think and I think there's a [TS]

  continuum there right he he did leave [TS]

  these people behind for a reason right [TS]

  that will I'm sure get into in a moment [TS]

  but it and this is all played into his [TS]

  decision to go you know to go through [TS]

  with this whole plan that he has I think [TS]

  we all have positive feelings about [TS]

  about closing time it was not a [TS]

  complaint and I want to have a complaint [TS]

  ok go for it oh no one complained [TS]

  perhaps Oh John don't squander it so [TS]

  this is like a lot more of a meta [TS]

  complaint with this episode when it [TS]

  started I thought oh this is going to be [TS]

  an episode about Craig kinda like how [TS]

  the larger ones like centered on him and [TS]

  the doctor was there but it was [TS]

  it was centered on non-doctor characters [TS]

  they do those episodes occasionally I [TS]

  and when I see episodes like that i was [TS]

  compared to my head to the best [TS]

  non-doctor center and episode link here [TS]

  the best episode of the show i know i [TS]

  know it is kind of unfair but it's it's [TS]

  amazing to think that this episode that [TS]

  everybody loves is not heavy on doctor [TS]

  or anything like this nice still clearly [TS]

  a doctor who episode so I thought they [TS]

  might have gone in that direction with [TS]

  this and that's where I see like the [TS]

  Rory and Amy showing up as like them [TS]

  under cutting themselves like you can do [TS]

  an episode just Craig or maybe even just [TS]

  Craig in the doctor don't bring those [TS]

  guys back in because it doesn't seem [TS]

  like they have the guts to they wouldn't [TS]

  have the guts to a blink like episode [TS]

  anymore was people would say where's [TS]

  worried were not think so i think that [TS]

  was part of the overarching plot i think [TS]

  there's that was deliberate [TS]

  I mean it was yeah i mean we're talking [TS]

  about the penultimate episode know that [TS]

  I mean after the late great is a weird [TS]

  placement for this thing but when I saw [TS]

  the episode reminded me of those ones [TS]

  the ones that i like but occasionally [TS]

  you could do an episode without those [TS]

  people and just have an interesting [TS]

  sci-fi stories it's almost as if doctor [TS]

  who and his companions 10 min for making [TS]

  the interesting sci-fi stories did ya [TS]

  might want to say so what I've done the [TS]

  last couple years is break those into [TS]

  and so this year with what you had was [TS]

  the girl who waited where the doctor [TS]

  basically is only in one scene outside [TS]

  of the tartness and the rest of it is [TS]

  Amy and Rory and and then the other half [TS]

  of it is this episode good at closing [TS]

  time where Amy and Rory are only in one [TS]

  scene and presumably I think these two [TS]

  episodes were shot in parallel so that [TS]

  their they could Bank two episodes at [TS]

  once I say I'm whereas with blink they [TS]

  that you know the doctor and Martha are [TS]

  into scenes and you know they shot it [TS]

  concurrently so they've done this [TS]

  companion light episode in a doctor [TS]

  light episode and that's what the larger [TS]

  was the larger last year was also the [TS]

  doctor will pay me as well as Amy she [TS]

  was only ever on the TARDIS so it is [TS]

  kind of like but it is off format a [TS]

  little bit and you're right i think i [TS]

  think when the show goes off format it [TS]

  is it gets really interesting and that [TS]

  they should be you know 30 today they [TS]

  generally do about one season I wanted [TS]

  to but it's good and like that like [TS]

  Blake is the best example John and I've [TS]

  said to people like a Twilight Zone [TS]

  episode you don't even need to know [TS]

  anything about [TS]

  doctor-who to enjoy blink because you [TS]

  know it's not really relevant to the [TS]

  show's continuity in fact the doctor is [TS]

  barely and he's just some guy with a [TS]

  time you can also argue that they're [TS]

  setting it up to provide for the [TS]

  opportunity to do more of these sort of [TS]

  standalone episodes now the doctor is [TS]

  underground and not technically living [TS]

  by the University standards right but [TS]

  he's still alive did not clearly showing [TS]

  this in closing time that when we walked [TS]

  out of cine IBM fell from the roof and [TS]

  killed into that was gonna say yeah and [TS]

  they're just outside he was struck by a [TS]

  car outside [TS]

  yeah exactly so so let's talk about [TS]

  let's talk at least briefly about the [TS]

  god complex which is the i have [TS]

  complaints about the god complex so [TS]

  totally hotel somehow it's the Hotel [TS]

  California episode [TS]

  oh yeah it's it's a it's a shining [TS]

  episode it's the star trek hollow shed [TS]

  goes crazy episode practically when [TS]

  taking it at face value this episode was [TS]

  was interesting and kind of fun it's [TS]

  like okay you know monsters and they're [TS]

  chasing around the hotel and then once [TS]

  they got to like the last year once they [TS]

  got to the last five minutes at ten [TS]

  minutes they're trying to explain what [TS]

  this all is and why the praise Him and [TS]

  everything in my head just started to [TS]

  hurt and I'm like wait [TS]

  ok so you're doing the Minotaur and the [TS]

  maze and I you know again I like the [TS]

  mythology but this felt so tacked on and [TS]

  so completely out of left field that I [TS]

  left was left very with a sour taste in [TS]

  my mouth so I can I liked it I liked [TS]

  everything I I thought that the what's [TS]

  the that character the doctor and nurse [TS]

  whatever they were setting her up to be [TS]

  a replacement companion [TS]

  yeah I Oh boys way to it was to all [TS]

  those people it was more like he's he's [TS]

  started to crush on her and be like you [TS]

  could be my next prison you're so smart [TS]

  i kinda creepy guy can ruin your life [TS]

  yeah you guys I like it and I like that [TS]

  there's that pulling out of the rug [TS]

  where you know even the smart people you [TS]

  know the people that the doctor thinks [TS]

  you know our are worth it essentially [TS]

  still don't get out all the time I kind [TS]

  of enjoy I i kinda like this whole I [TS]

  kind of like this whole episode I don't [TS]

  know it i think because i was very [TS]

  immersed in from the beach [TS]

  me because of the way that they just [TS]

  sort of drop you in and there is no [TS]

  explanation of what you're going on [TS]

  what's going on and so is kind of creepy [TS]

  right there is amps the stocking this [TS]

  and like that guy with all the the room [TS]

  with although doesn't look with dummies [TS]

  I don't there's a cloud adjective 1 I [TS]

  mean just a cloud that's just sitting [TS]

  there though right I get it it's i found [TS]

  it you know largely understated for an [TS]

  episode and not necessarily the most [TS]

  original idea like there's there's rooms [TS]

  for all your fears or whatever but I [TS]

  don't know I I there was something [TS]

  effective about it for me and I didn't I [TS]

  gotta understand the complaints about [TS]

  the last five minutes at the same time [TS]

  it was kind of nothing more than a [TS]

  passing sort of interest for me where [TS]

  it's like oh ok alright it's this thing [TS]

  ok let's move on that's not really the [TS]

  point again this is the twist good [TS]

  though that that it's not the rooms are [TS]

  there with with full of your fears in [TS]

  order to kill you [TS]

  the rooms are there full of your fears [TS]

  in order to have you have to rely on [TS]

  something I think you get you through [TS]

  and there was 13 my convoluted once it [TS]

  finds that it eats that and you and then [TS]

  you die happy right which is well I know [TS]

  it was convoluted but it was interesting [TS]

  and trying to be different and i saw [TS]

  some discussions on the internet about [TS]

  how they thought that that eating on a [TS]

  that monster feeding on faith is a is a [TS]

  sort of anti religious statement i [TS]

  thought you know I now that I've [TS]

  mentioned this stupid thing from the [TS]

  internet i'm gonna beat it up because i [TS]

  don't i don't actually agree i think [TS]

  that the point here is first off it's [TS]

  it's an evil monster that eats on each [TS]

  your faith but that they tried to be [TS]

  broader than that i liked the whole [TS]

  aspect of it having to be that you know [TS]

  Amy had to lose her faith in the doctor [TS]

  right [TS]

  I i like that that sort of flip side [TS]

  around it [TS]

  well its initial setup and it's also [TS]

  it's the doctor seeing just how badly [TS]

  he's route he thinks that are ruining [TS]

  people's lives and he's like well you [TS]

  i'm not going to save you I can't save [TS]

  this girl who I potentially could have [TS]

  been my next companion I can't save [TS]

  anybody [TS]

  I'm going to drop you off and prepare [TS]

  myself and go away and i think there's [TS]

  also they were trying to do a parallel [TS]

  between the the Minotaur beast being old [TS]

  and and you know you're trying to make [TS]

  his way they were trying to do it and i [TS]

  saw i saw all the pieces [TS]

  like I like the the first 40 you know 30 [TS]

  minutes of the episode and I like the [TS]

  pieces that they were trying to put [TS]

  together I just don't know if it [TS]

  succeeded may be entirely if you better [TS]

  on paper than in yes it's like a doctor [TS]

  who episode recipe because it's always [TS]

  like one part strange situation a [TS]

  one-part thing with Lauren Amy's [TS]

  relationship one part overall mythology [TS]

  leading towards the finale and when they [TS]

  get the mix right it works out i [TS]

  definitely agree that all the [TS]

  ingredients were there but the mix was a [TS]

  little lumpy right i will say this [TS]

  though great direction [TS]

  I don't know what happened to your [TS]

  metaphor I guess whoever was running the [TS]

  beat the the mixer with a good job i [TS]

  will another production the production [TS]

  was really and we'll just looks [TS]

  fantastic and looked eerie and creepy [TS]

  and those two episodes that were talking [TS]

  about the same director because I think [TS]

  he directed the girl who waited to [TS]

  really like them visualize just some [TS]

  stuff that you haven't seen a doctor who [TS]

  was like you know really striving to [TS]

  provide some a different look and in [TS]

  this one you have the security cameras [TS]

  and security cameras were great [TS]

  both of them did a really good job of [TS]

  being very internally consistent in [TS]

  creating these worlds that were [TS]

  incredibly distinct i love the [TS]

  claustrophobic feel about above the [TS]

  hotel with the the stairway and with the [TS]

  TARDIS on it and it was gone and my [TS]

  TARDIS and we start and we start there [TS]

  and and like like you said and the you [TS]

  dropped in [TS]

  I mean I actually love that when doctor [TS]

  who does that where you're like what [TS]

  where are we why are we doing this you [TS]

  know instead of having to be hey we're [TS]

  in the TARDIS let's go somewhere this [TS]

  place looks interesting let's go out the [TS]

  doors and have an adventure you know I [TS]

  kind of like it when they don't do that [TS]

  but they walked out right yeah like you [TS]

  said they disappeared they walk out like [TS]

  there's you know a minute and then [TS]

  they're like okay we should go [TS]

  oh crap yeah we can't its I thought that [TS]

  the very small to the hotel this right [TS]

  since all of us have attended many [TS]

  conferences and been in endless hotel [TS]

  corridor all of the ventriloquist w yeah [TS]

  i mean that happen home designs yes [TS]

  yeah and you're like always did that and [TS]

  I started to have this is why i could [TS]

  never watch the office either the UK the [TS]

  US was up i don't work in offices like [TS]

  that what is too similar to experiences [TS]

  they've had where I start getting the [TS]

  palpitations and like this episode of [TS]

  Scott me like all the endless hotel room [TS]

  oh I didn't want to give a shout out to [TS]

  the the the the Cowardly aliens who I [TS]

  really hope appear in pleasure from the [TS]

  servants most because i love all I love [TS]

  the idea right where the video channel [TS]

  surrender monkeys [TS]

  yeah what do you think about them not [TS]

  even is just a surrender to infiltrate [TS]

  and i love that I love that concept and [TS]

  I really hope that actually yeah that's [TS]

  another apparently famous actor from the [TS]

  David David Walliams always a little [TS]

  little britain guy right yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  so so that we don't recognize plus he [TS]

  was dressed up like an alien butt so I [TS]

  let's talk a little bit before we go [TS]

  about the season as a whole we did this [TS]

  last year and I think it's worth doing [TS]

  again to go around and maybe ask for [TS]

  what your favorite episode of the whole [TS]

  season was and if you'd like to beat on [TS]

  something that your least favorite thing [TS]

  in the in the season and I guess I'll [TS]

  start because that way you guys will [TS]

  have time to ponder while I while I talk [TS]

  about my favorite thing I think my [TS]

  favorite episode of the season is you [TS]

  know the neil gaiman episode is obvious [TS]

  but I i guess i'll say instead just to [TS]

  be less obvious less let's kill hitler [TS]

  because it was such a misdirection and [TS]

  it was wild and crazy and had the crazy [TS]

  shift with the little alien people [TS]

  inside it you know but I i like the game [TS]

  episode 2i like most of the Mafia [TS]

  episodes other than I i think the the [TS]

  two-parter at the beginning of the [TS]

  second part of that wasn't so so great [TS]

  so and then my least favorite this is [TS]

  going to be everybody's to say this but [TS]

  that time the pirate episode yes which [TS]

  it isn't by renault deal of that up then [TS]

  looked up to go i did not all of us when [TS]

  that was the run and that was you know [TS]

  right [TS]

  read what do you think what were your [TS]

  favorite and least favorite things about [TS]

  you stole my favorite my favorite hands [TS]

  down as let's kill hitler but I'm oh God [TS]

  was my second favorite are you can you [TS]

  can just go with me [TS]

  hi oh I would [TS]

  ok i will check in with Jason let's kill [TS]

  let's kill hitler was I still have [TS]

  quotes banging around in my head from [TS]

  that from that show from that episode I [TS]

  love the characterization of Mel's as [TS]

  melody pond much much more than I like [TS]

  the melody pond is River Song revelation [TS]

  and good man goes to war although i do [TS]

  have to shout out the first like 10 [TS]

  minutes of good man goes to war because [TS]

  the brewery and everything was very very [TS]

  well-crafted and i will say i liked up [TS]

  on as the season as a whole I found when [TS]

  I was because I after i finished [TS]

  watching the finale i went back and sort [TS]

  of went through the recap starting with [TS]

  the impossible astronaut and looking at [TS]

  this you know with the exception of a [TS]

  couple of weird ones like curse of the [TS]

  black spot I the season was remarkably [TS]

  cohesive and it felt a lot stronger than [TS]

  last season with the Pandorica was very [TS]

  cool kind of season finale everything [TS]

  comes together but I felt like there [TS]

  weren't as many clues is there were this [TS]

  season we really got we got a lot of [TS]

  interesting concepts like we got a we [TS]

  got flesh Amy the ganger Amy and we got [TS]

  a we got the sort of little independent [TS]

  episode the neil gaiman episode with the [TS]

  TARDIS we built a lot of background in [TS]

  addition to having a big a big bad story [TS]

  and and having a nice overarching plot [TS]

  and they did they did a lot of really [TS]

  really good stuff and what 12 13 [TS]

  episodes right we're gonna so what you [TS]

  think would hold held together better if [TS]

  they had run them all through instead of [TS]

  splitting them into you know I actually [TS]

  kind of like the break because I mean if [TS]

  you if you went from directly from a [TS]

  good man goes to war and the melody pond [TS]

  revelation straight into the Mel's [TS]

  scenario I kind of feel like we would [TS]

  get it from the gecko be like wait a [TS]

  second there's a new girl here and we [TS]

  just had you know I i don't know i feel [TS]

  i actually liked the like the space and [TS]

  like the ramp up to two finales okay um [TS]

  Glenn about you [TS]

  I think I'm gonna go with you I'll do it [TS]

  I'll do 24 just because I'm [TS]

  verse i think the doctor's wife i liked [TS]

  as a call back to the old doctor who [TS]

  cereals that it had such a feeling of [TS]

  like the Tom Baker era but updated with [TS]

  like good computer graphics a better [TS]

  plot snap your script but it was fun and [TS]

  kind of chasing around the corner or [TS]

  sway because they're chasing around [TS]

  corners but I i find them [TS]

  I thought it was was a very strong [TS]

  episode in preserving mythology and just [TS]

  being hilarious and interesting and and [TS]

  someone thought provoking but the girl [TS]

  who waited as because the most [TS]

  emblematic was my favorite of the new [TS]

  kind of doctor who aesthetic which is [TS]

  more intellectual and poses problems [TS]

  that are actually harder and resolvable [TS]

  and terrible things happened sort of the [TS]

  hard sci-fi way things are unresolvable [TS]

  someone has to die in a terrible way [TS]

  they never even exist [TS]

  it's the worst units the worse than [TS]

  death scenario modern sci-fi is you've [TS]

  been erased from history or existence as [TS]

  opposed to just been killed [TS]

  there's no afterlife there's no other [TS]

  kind of experience for your gone except [TS]

  in memory i think those two are the best [TS]

  i actually thought this season i would [TS]

  say was bugging me because there are [TS]

  several episodes in like it like the [TS]

  flash episodes at all the pirate episode [TS]

  i thought was terrible god complex was [TS]

  sort of fun but I thought it was thin i [TS]

  did not like night terrors so I thought [TS]

  there's some very strong episodes and I [TS]

  thought they were so very weak ones that [TS]

  didn't even rise to my mind to like the [TS]

  pirate one being like just enjoyable to [TS]

  watch some of the most enjoyable [TS]

  episodes were also some of the best ones [TS]

  that were just sort of rollicking and [TS]

  like the closing closing time but but i [TS]

  think you know and so not a strong [TS]

  season i would think is a has-been felt [TS]

  but but very strong episodes in the [TS]

  season [TS]

  alright yeah overall I i think i have to [TS]

  decide with the let's kill hitler with a [TS]

  good man goes to war being a close [TS]

  second [TS]

  I like that to partner in general i [TS]

  agree with Ren said about the if you [TS]

  didn't have that break there i think it [TS]

  would lose some of its impact you know [TS]

  it's just like our can't wait to see [TS]

  what happens next week but the fact that [TS]

  we had to wait you know a few months to [TS]

  figure out what happened i think it [TS]

  intensified it [TS]

  overall I think the second half of the [TS]

  season was a lot better than the first [TS]

  half and maybe that's just I know that [TS]

  they rearranged some stuff and maybe [TS]

  that's just you know how about the chips [TS]

  fell but i found myself enjoying all the [TS]

  episodes much more in the second half [TS]

  like Glenn [TS]

  I thought the pirate episode was just [TS]

  atrocious and i didn't i didn't really [TS]

  even have fun with it [TS]

  I did not like the flesh episodes really [TS]

  either but you know I guess I'm the lone [TS]

  person who like the most of the episodes [TS]

  in the second half of the season and I [TS]

  just sort of felt like I was much more [TS]

  immersed in invested in this story once [TS]

  that we hit we had that sort of [TS]

  mid-season finale and pick up and i [TS]

  think that there's just the overall [TS]

  there's a lot to like about this season [TS]

  i think you know in particular some of [TS]

  the characters really came more into [TS]

  their own Matt Smith's doctor is much [TS]

  more clearly defined i thought that i [TS]

  really liked the the progress that they [TS]

  made with Rory going from a sort of [TS]

  two-dimensional like let's kill them off [TS]

  a lot of character to to a character why [TS]

  I really liked you know when he [TS]

  especially in the beginning of good man [TS]

  goes to war I think that's you know a [TS]

  character defining moment for him [TS]

  I like that they kept a lot of the stuff [TS]

  that they develop starting at the end of [TS]

  the last season for him and and he's [TS]

  become one of my favorite characters [TS]

  because he is kind of hapless but also [TS]

  incredibly you know pure just a good [TS]

  person right and I think that that is a [TS]

  a you know he's got a parole quality to [TS]

  him in that sense and now my night feel [TS]

  like I can't really say much bad about [TS]

  any pond so maybe don't you dare idea i [TS]

  wouldn't i'm a sucker arena but yeah [TS]

  overall I i think this season had more [TS]

  strong episodes i think it had some [TS]

  lower lows in the first season but also [TS]

  much higher highs alright John what [TS]

  about you but when I'm different my [TS]

  flame retardant headset now let's write [TS]

  ok that's a place I think season six [TS]

  made me appreciate season five more [TS]

  after have 25 you said how this matt [TS]

  smith doing i think i gave a positive [TS]

  review to see some fire but watching [TS]

  season six like if you were to lay out [TS]

  the the Ark plot it's just like an [TS]

  outline form of like is we're going to [TS]

  do in the first episode we have a doctor [TS]

  died or apparently died and then we're [TS]

  going to then we're going to introduce [TS]

  this concept the flesh and then we're [TS]

  going to have the Flash Amy and we had [TS]

  the baby is going to river song and you [TS]

  know I could just lay off those points [TS]

  at that those those are reasonable bones [TS]

  for a season's arc and then what I would [TS]

  have said it was laying out like that [TS]

  it's okay those are the bones of the [TS]

  thing but what is this season about I [TS]

  would have tried to make the season I [TS]

  think that kind of trying to make the [TS]

  season a personal story about the doctor [TS]

  it's not about the universe being at [TS]

  stake Rory and Amy story pretty much was [TS]

  the previous season in that triangle [TS]

  situations that's what we're not gonna [TS]

  do you know this is this is this season [TS]

  about the doctor but then what they hung [TS]

  on those bones was a lot of a lot of [TS]

  raggedy stuff in there I actually [TS]

  dislike night terrors more than I just [TS]

  like that the pirate episode which is [TS]

  saying something [TS]

  yeah it's closed for me to honestly I [TS]

  really just like that episode 2 [TS]

  yeah and and the the individual when [TS]

  they filmed pieces of the arc story when [TS]

  they filmed like the revelation about [TS]

  the flesh Amy or the doctor dying or are [TS]

  any of those things that when they [TS]

  filmed art pieces are the pieces of [TS]

  River Song those segments were good but [TS]

  they were spread too thin i would like [TS]

  to see them made more dense to make room [TS]

  in the middle for good a better for [TS]

  better episodes with you know that they [TS]

  weren't so concerned with our stuff [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah because like every episode that [TS]

  they want to have some interesting idea [TS]

  they tried to hang with summer stuff on [TS]

  so if i had to pick a favorite I'm [TS]

  actually probably going to pick the girl [TS]

  who waited even though I dumped on that [TS]

  episode a lot at least it was trying to [TS]

  do something different with the [TS]

  characters with killing off the old Amy [TS]

  in that dilemma and that's what i want [TS]

  to see from us I know it's like you know [TS]

  spanish see fairytale cyber from a [TS]

  sci-fi show i want to see stuff like [TS]

  that it's going to be character-driven [TS]

  sci-fi then finally have an established [TS]

  character who makes care about killing [TS]

  the old Abbey do more of that don't [TS]

  weigh those episodes down with the other [TS]

  stuff and i'm looking through the the [TS]

  episode list here I don't like PDA i'm [TS]

  actually looking at the writers but [TS]

  normally take no note but i can see that [TS]

  the the episodes that Steven Moffat road [TS]

  aa-are i mean it it shows i wouldn't say [TS]

  who wrote those but like it he wrote [TS]

  like it so let's kill hitler a good man [TS]

  goes to war the opening two episodes in [TS]

  the finale and I think the level of the [TS]

  writing those episodes it shows that [TS]

  that's like a step up from the ones [TS]

  between but not just talking about i [TS]

  think other than the neil gaiman episode [TS]

  and maybe I'm a closing time which is [TS]

  going [TS]

  light and funny but I think you're right [TS]

  there's definitely a difference of the [TS]

  game episode is the only other one where [TS]

  i'd say like wow that was really solid [TS]

  in a way that some of the others like [TS]

  night terrors of the pyriform were not [TS]

  and the reason I say that makes me [TS]

  appreciate season five more is because [TS]

  season six has a like when I think back [TS]

  of it I can still see season 5 moments [TS]

  more clearly my mind season six you know [TS]

  like season five I could think about all [TS]

  i remember that season that was you know [TS]

  it just it stands out more vividly [TS]

  format and off the individual episodes [TS]

  or better or the way the structured it [TS]

  better or it's because these characters [TS]

  were new and we're introduced to Amy and [TS]

  Rory then that stands out in my mind [TS]

  more than the season is kinda like man [TS]

  it's kind of like some of the the middle [TS]

  10 seasons where he hadn't really hit [TS]

  his stride and but also hadn't passed [TS]

  onto self-parody he was just kind of [TS]

  like in his middle in area [TS]

  I'll say this about the about the last [TS]

  season about the fifth season is that I [TS]

  don't think there was any episode this [TS]

  season that was as bad as the silurian [TS]

  to partner last year the guide agree [TS]

  with that so so even the Pirates maybe [TS]

  pirates maybe maybe yeah maybe silurian [TS]

  was how yeah it was [TS]

  it's the thinnest yeah that's what bugs [TS]

  you is like the only do a limited number [TS]

  of MPs 13 episodes of season us about [TS]

  your like they would all be all be good [TS]

  and instead what you get is a couple [TS]

  episodes that feel like filler and a [TS]

  two-parter that maybe isn't really [TS]

  enough story to to carry two parts and [TS]

  it is kind of what i mean i understand [TS]

  they also have had a you know whatever [TS]

  20-percent budget cut because the BBC is [TS]

  going through hard times but it's always [TS]

  struck me that if you only have 13 [TS]

  episodes a year wouldn't you think that [TS]

  they would all be really kind of [TS]

  carefully honed and crafted in a way [TS]

  that is not apparent that they are your [TS]

  budget cuts an opportunity though [TS]

  because especially on a sci-fi show you [TS]

  get the budget cut then you know you can [TS]

  shoot around the scope of of it like [TS]

  think about was that the one midnight [TS]

  when they were like the whole thing was [TS]

  shot in a little transport on that [TS]

  planet have that was a day and which is [TS]

  the greatest episode of the girl who [TS]

  waited is a good example of that where [TS]

  that's it that's a that's a cheap [TS]

  episode in many ways and yet looks like [TS]

  looks great because it's cheap and they [TS]

  got creative about everything is you if [TS]

  you don't have a [TS]

  that fancy stuff and you forced to come [TS]

  up with a good premise in a good story [TS]

  and like you know that's an opportunity [TS]

  when we touched upon this in the in [TS]

  other places to you know we talked about [TS]

  yeah I had some other podcast things [TS]

  like star wars were like you know there [TS]

  are constraints breed creativity right [TS]

  you guys think harder to get around the [TS]

  problems that you're going to have [TS]

  because you don't have any money and [TS]

  things like writing which are you know [TS]

  arguably a fixed cost you know that's [TS]

  that's where you should be focusing well [TS]

  so then again I you know why why is it [TS]

  that in 13 episodes of finely crafted [TS]

  British entertainment you have two three [TS]

  four episodes that feel like kind of you [TS]

  know an essential and and almost filler [TS]

  ii8 I still don't understand it well if [TS]

  the writers tail to mark the russell [TS]

  davies book I think that reveals a [TS]

  little bit of the pressure I mean he was [TS]

  doing he was doing show running for two [TS]

  majors here too much going on but I [TS]

  think there's this sort of the [TS]

  constraint of how they put the show [TS]

  together they try to hold together too [TS]

  much and they don't have the resources [TS]

  to both deliver the kind of pantomime [TS]

  entertainment that this is supposed to [TS]

  be with the campus but also now it's [TS]

  expected to have great special effects [TS]

  like we expect the cgi to look movie [TS]

  quality and not look cheesy and cheap i [TS]

  think all those constraints together I [TS]

  don't think they can meet the cast for [TS]

  you know we like the best of the best [TS]

  i'm not sure I'm not sure I agree about [TS]

  that from the writing perspective Bowen [TS]

  and this is something that you know [TS]

  Russell Russell Davis doesn't didn't do [TS]

  it like a sexy mama does Russell Davis [TS]

  rewrote every episode and see the muscle [TS]

  group actually doesn't and and that's [TS]

  something interesting because as much as [TS]

  I can complain about some of what [TS]

  Russell Davis did and some of the [TS]

  episodes that he rewrote Steven Moffat [TS]

  you know knowing that he doesn't rewrite [TS]

  other writers stuff is in some ways I [TS]

  think an explanation why the seasons are [TS]

  less well are more up [TS]

  less well are more up [TS]

  the even and that there are more kind of [TS]

  the of these clunker episodes i think [TS]

  there's a nice thing about that risk [TS]

  which is you you may get some episodes [TS]

  that have a voice that is different and [TS]

  that's good and I think there are a few [TS]

  of those examples in his era but you [TS]

  also run the risk of having stuff that [TS]

  sort of dips below the quality line and [TS]

  and you know I keep thinking why don't [TS]

  you know man maybe they do this but why [TS]

  don't they order several more scripts [TS]

  then they're going to use and then [TS]

  choose the ones that are the best but [TS]

  these may be the best maybe they do [TS]

  no possible i don't know you know I [TS]

  think they're trying to also they try [TS]

  and tackle some interesting topics and [TS]

  sometimes those succeed wildly and [TS]

  sometimes they fall on their face and [TS]

  I'd rather I I don't know I'd rather [TS]

  that they have the freedom to experiment [TS]

  boldly and you know do an episode where [TS]

  there are pirates onna granted and a [TS]

  ship crashing into a fixed time point [TS]

  and you know that's all cool on paper [TS]

  and it didn't turn out to be the best [TS]

  episode but it was still meet that they [TS]

  took the they took the chance and it's [TS]

  better than would you rather have that [TS]

  and then have a flop or would you rather [TS]

  have a doctor who episode that you've [TS]

  seen you know three or four years ago [TS]

  that follows the same basic plot [TS]

  conventions and is boring but is ok [TS]

  written [TS]

  ok so to Scott I need you I need you to [TS]

  chime in here we got we got diverted oh [TS]

  and we care about your room Union ah I [TS]

  don't really care too much as much as it [TS]

  pains me to let my nemesis talk who I [TS]

  did I did I just going to skip over me [TS]

  who cares about my people I love you [TS]

  that's nice so i will echo the sentiment [TS]

  especially well how much do I owe you [TS]

  Mia I will echo the sentiments of [TS]

  several other patents that choose let's [TS]

  kill hitler as my favorite episode of [TS]

  this season [TS]

  alright i'm changing my vote meal game [TS]

  and then there you go no let's kill [TS]

  hitler is that clear [TS]

  it was good it was where he it was a [TS]

  head Nazis in a time-travel I guess [TS]

  they'll have time traveling them but [TS]

  oh yeah we Scott Nazis up you know [TS]

  hey there's something to be said they [TS]

  have nice uniforms motorcycles [TS]

  motorcycles out again I know [TS]

  shape-shifting are robots which is of [TS]

  course important plot point as we find [TS]

  out later yes even though that angered [TS]

  me uh at least favorite once again i [TS]

  will mention pirates on a spaceship i [TS]

  will say i was glad at the this finale [TS]

  that the Pirates in the spaceship did [TS]

  not somehow save a doctor i would [TS]

  imagine that bad happened about like [TS]

  that would have been pretty bad i was [TS]

  waiting for it as I go those pirates are [TS]

  going to show up again [TS]

  well we had a moment there right where [TS]

  is like all of those people have come [TS]

  and chimed in and they want to help save [TS]

  you and I'm like oh god we're gonna see [TS]

  it's it's going to be like russell t [TS]

  davies big finale and we're going to see [TS]

  everybody alien suit that we still owned [TS]

  and controlled storage will be brought [TS]

  up to [TS]

  they don't die doctor we need you here [TS]

  with us the sitar an empire but yea yea [TS]

  and June would come and one would be [TS]

  shedding a tear and they would say mo no [TS]

  no go right and yea Wow look for in this [TS]

  episode we're headed right let's not do [TS]

  that [TS]

  well no I've seen it so it's and its [TS]

  last of the time lords and the end of [TS]

  time part 2 [TS]

  yeah and doomsday a you know right [TS]

  that's what I was thinking when was [TS]

  saying would you rather have an episode [TS]

  where these doctor who plots that are [TS]

  recycled and I'm thinking well that's [TS]

  almost every other episode of yeah it's [TS]

  been a long time has been out it's hard [TS]

  to break out of its formulate it says it [TS]

  has this this the weight of its own plot [TS]

  and fan expectations and rapid you [TS]

  expect the doctor to do certain things [TS]

  so they have to write that show and [TS]

  sometimes get crappy episodes so now [TS]

  that the now comes the waiting because [TS]

  there will be a Christmas special that I [TS]

  believe they're shooting right now but [TS]

  that won't be that where your business [TS]

  is a teaser floating rs.3000 that's at [TS]

  least i will feel teased when I watch it [TS]

  I guess we'll have to do a podcast after [TS]

  it airs yes I think I think I know what [TS]

  we're doing on Christmas night [TS]

  so two years in a row so yeah well that [TS]

  would make a traditional wooden it and [TS]

  some turkey you know some football if [TS]

  you're into that sort of thing and [TS]

  doctor who you know it's it's a nice [TS]

  thing [TS]

  so what until Christmas when we will [TS]

  presumably do this all again if we are [TS]

  all healthy and able to participate and [TS]

  assuming they could finish shooting and [TS]

  editing that episode 4 months fingers [TS]

  great cuts never know it might say it's [TS]

  a nice tree special about Christmas [TS]

  yeah something like that up but anyway [TS]

  so thank you guys for participating in [TS]

  the doctor podcast the season it's been [TS]

  fun even when the episodes have not been [TS]

  which you know pirates and that other [TS]

  one with the kid are never completely [TS]

  really is it's for ya [TS]

  I don't know anyway so i would like to [TS]

  thank my guests here on the on the [TS]

  Doctor Who club we will get little [TS]

  tartness pins later [TS]

  that's why your membership our affairs [TS]

  you have to buy them yourself [TS]

  uh-huh already called well thank you [TS]

  thank you Jason land fleischmann thank [TS]

  you thank you and take that fence off [TS]

  John siracusa thank you i'm looking [TS]

  forward to another universe reboot next [TS]

  season that you might as well because [TS]

  it's gonna happen you just know it it's [TS]

  gonna happen [TS]

  same as this one just no ducks no [TS]

  doctors that's right no duck universe [TS]

  and more'n thank you for for coming and [TS]

  for liking things even big Swede applied [TS]

  you're welcome face and scalp healthy [TS]

  thanks for being here thanks for having [TS]

  until we meet again [TS]

  in the past present future and maybe [TS]

  even out of order and justice helping [TS]

  comfortable texting mystic [TS]

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