The Incomparable

55: If a Show Never Airs, Can It Be Cancelled?

 

  uncomfortable podcast over 55 [TS]

  September's plenty [TS]

  it's time for another edition of the [TS]

  uncomfortable today we're going to be [TS]

  talking about television but we're gonna [TS]

  do something a little different we are [TS]

  going to hold the draft for those of you [TS]

  who do not follow the sports draft is [TS]

  when for example football teams will [TS]

  pick players from college football [TS]

  we'll take turns one of the time they'll [TS]

  they'll take a pic you can't pick the [TS]

  same player twice only one team gets [TS]

  each player what we're going to do here [TS]

  is we're gonna pick cancelled TV shows [TS]

  and the premise hit is pick your [TS]

  favorite brilliant but cancelled TV [TS]

  shows so it should be a trip down memory [TS]

  lane a painful trip about shows that [TS]

  died too soon [TS]

  joining me to take this trail of tears [TS]

  are my panelists Dan Morgan hello hi [TS]

  jason this is a big z relational this is [TS]

  really emotional from hey whoa [TS]

  but we're not comparing sizes of list [TS]

  but my head's at least like it doesn't [TS]

  i'm sure keen sure 2075 I don't have a [TS]

  big fan of failure so I mean I know it's [TS]

  paused failure my entire life as Scott [TS]

  will tell you got Mykelti as as just [TS]

  referenced is also here hi Scott [TS]

  hello I i only watch television for the [TS]

  articles excellent also here is Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann hello are you watching [TS]

  television [TS]

  I no longer but i only watch shows that [TS]

  I believe will be cancelled good that it [TS]

  saves time that way [TS]

  that's right and serenity Caldwell hello [TS]

  hello all of my shows get cancelled its [TS]

  IDs I'm sensing a theme here this this [TS]

  may just be a a podcast of shows we [TS]

  watch so it really doesn't remember a [TS]

  time before there was television no wait [TS]

  a minute or cancellation shows yes my [TS]

  day shows went on forever until that the [TS]

  cast members died and they just fill [TS]

  their bodies they did 700 episodes of [TS]

  season and then like it and they loved [TS]

  it [TS]

  alright so we are going to begin the [TS]

  draft and I imagine that there will be [TS]

  some shows that will go quickly so once [TS]

  they're taken you can't take them with [TS]

  your choice get everybody just assumed [TS]

  that everybody else is going to pick [TS]

  fireflies and I just thought you should [TS]

  we just site Firefly and spot it [TS]

  saying like number one is firefly but [TS]

  and none of us are gonna pick it I think [TS]

  it kind of goes without saying that [TS]

  everybody knows that Joss Whedon's sci [TS]

  fi Western e thing firefly got cancelled [TS]

  way too soon and was really quite good [TS]

  and it died young and left a beautiful [TS]

  corpse [TS]

  but you know like somebody wants to [TS]

  wants to pick it we can do that but [TS]

  otherwise i'm willing to just put it up [TS]

  on the board let's let's take it as read [TS]

  was it not on anybody's let's do it was [TS]

  not on my list because i do not like it [TS]

  but times i'm an online you always gonna [TS]

  be sky-high no yeah anything anybody's [TS]

  yeah I assumed everybody else but Scott [TS]

  would pick it will see their Scott you [TS]

  get firefly i will likely to firefly on [TS]

  the board you know we talked about it [TS]

  before in previous podcast what so so [TS]

  what can you say about it was great it's [TS]

  too bad that didn't get it got like it [TS]

  didn't get 13 episodes did it didn't air [TS]

  13 episode they made they made 13 I [TS]

  believe all right now although when all [TS]

  is said and done but it did not err all [TS]

  of them [TS]

  we're going to start with Scott McNulty [TS]

  know because the first pick in the [TS]

  brilliant but canceled draft not sure [TS]

  how I got the first pick but I am [TS]

  honestly thought you were wearing you [TS]

  there was a lottery and Scott as the [TS]

  lowest-scoring and I don't know what I [TS]

  just did a reverse lunge auction [TS]

  yes i'm going to pick my then you know [TS]

  this the the the draft format put a [TS]

  little pressure on so I'm gonna have to [TS]

  pick my favorite won first place so that [TS]

  no one else gets it which would be [TS]

  pushing daisies 0 crossing it off my [TS]

  list [TS]

  yeah mine to do I i win I've done heard [TS]

  I should sign off pushing daisies a link [TS]

  two seasons on ABC created by Bryan [TS]

  Fuller i'm reading the wikipedia entry [TS]

  right now even like the show anymore [TS]

  I've never seated I just I knew dad [TS]

  liked it so I picked it [TS]

  Mykelti about the pie maker and he [TS]

  touches people and they and they come [TS]

  back to life briefly exactly but it yes [TS]

  so he is the pie makers essential [TS]

  character he has this power where he [TS]

  someone are [TS]

  dead thing if you touch a dead thing it [TS]

  comes back to life for a minute I think [TS]

  I and but if they are alive for a minute [TS]

  and then if it touches them again they [TS]

  die so if he touches the person again [TS]

  before the minutes elapsed is that they [TS]

  die permanently and he can't bring the [TS]

  back if they stay alive longer than a [TS]

  minute something else nearby dies to [TS]

  compensate and kind of you know balance [TS]

  the universe opposed and so it starts he [TS]

  finds out he has this power because his [TS]

  mother dies he touches her cheek [TS]

  infected life I his next morning and he [TS]

  doesn't know about the whole minute rule [TS]

  so that his next-door neighbor's a [TS]

  father dies because his mother has been [TS]

  resurrected and it's very sad because at [TS]

  the end of that night his mother toxin [TS]

  into bed kisses him on the forehead and [TS]

  dice again so bad but by kind of darkly [TS]

  funny kitten that I think things up the [TS]

  the whole show as sad but darkly funny [TS]

  and and so ends the brilliant Joe and [TS]

  the first time I saw it its kind of its [TS]

  it's whimsical and it's surreal and the [TS]

  first episode that i watched ice after [TS]

  the end of it I thought I enjoy that [TS]

  show and it will be cancelled so I was [TS]

  quite i was excited that I got a second [TS]

  season at the very least I believe that [TS]

  was during the other writers strike [TS]

  right somehow they ended up with a short [TS]

  season and then they got back for a [TS]

  second season and then that because of [TS]

  the strike in the time off the ratings [TS]

  weren't as good so it died and not to be [TS]

  brought back to life [TS]

  no yeah the the sad thing about pushing [TS]

  daisies is that the first you know ten [TS]

  episodes that were aired had really high [TS]

  ratings and ABC was very very buoyant [TS]

  about the shower is like look Bryan [TS]

  Fuller made a show that's not going to [TS]

  get cancelled and then the writers [TS]

  strike happened although to beaten to be [TS]

  fair i watched the first season of [TS]

  pushing daisies and i liked it i always [TS]

  when I saw the pilot I was really [TS]

  worried that it was going to be kind of [TS]

  overly I don't know just the super [TS]

  saturated colors and the narrator and it [TS]

  seemed like it was maybe going to be too [TS]

  much but I never I never thought it got [TS]

  to be too much in that first season when [TS]

  it came back to the second season I i [TS]

  watched the first I think episode or two [TS]

  and I thought oh that did not like this [TS]

  show and it just didn't work [TS]

  me I don't know whether it was just that [TS]

  it was worse or whether the spell was [TS]

  broken but that second season I i gave [TS]

  up is so I never even watched the whole [TS]

  second season [TS]

  that's a shame it's not i mean i would [TS]

  say it's probably not as good as the [TS]

  first season but it's still very good [TS]

  and it's better than a lot of was on air [TS]

  and plus I mean it's kind of a kind of [TS]

  you now because now you have like good [TS]

  television that's left that you'll never [TS]

  walk through just waiting around for [TS]

  Eddie Caldwell you get the second pic oh [TS]

  gosh [TS]

  ok so Dan Martin will take all my shows [TS]

  so I'm actually going to go for a show [TS]

  that I don't even know if he's watched [TS]

  yet which is kings which is actually [TS]

  fairly my list haha [TS]

  mm-hmm and they're all night doing [TS]

  anyway or Indiana and what you get for [TS]

  having a picklist in so kings is a [TS]

  unique kind of thing in that it was only [TS]

  about 13 episodes and as it is it could [TS]

  stand alone as a 13-episode miniseries [TS]

  but the premise and the weary like the [TS]

  way it went [TS]

  made it so great is basically a show a [TS]

  modern-day David and Goliath in an [TS]

  alternate reality universe where [TS]

  religion was still very big but it's but [TS]

  it's not you know it's it's not a [TS]

  religion heavy show in the way that you [TS]

  watch it you're like oh this is touched [TS]

  by an angel or anything like that it's [TS]

  it's very intricate it's kind of like [TS]

  when i was first pitching it to people i [TS]

  call it as an intersection between the [TS]

  west wing and you know even in a way [TS]

  Star Wars just it's it's it's not [TS]

  necessarily so it's not necessarily [TS]

  sci-fi per se but it's it's fascinating [TS]

  it was it was such a fun show to watch [TS]

  and the way they ended the 13th episode [TS]

  it made you just go I want to see more [TS]

  I want to see more why is there not more [TS]

  and it was of course terribly low rated [TS]

  because because NBC did not pitch it at [TS]

  all the way they should have so that is [TS]

  my pic it was a difficult to pitch I [TS]

  mean what I agree with you that they it [TS]

  it's very much a political drama in many [TS]

  ways which is a hard it's a harsh on [TS]

  route 22 short takeoff and especially [TS]

  because it's the sci-fi elements that [TS]

  were very very subtle [TS]

  I mean it's just that it was you know it [TS]

  was more fantastic maybe I mean it's not [TS]

  set in our universe but it has a lot of [TS]

  the trappings of our universe [TS]

  it said that you know there's a there's [TS]

  this war between these two countries and [TS]

  its kind of loosely like you know based [TS]

  on as read the Old Testament but it's [TS]

  really well done it's got a fantastic [TS]

  Cassian machine is taking antacids yeah [TS]

  he is a lot of other like character [TS]

  actor show up in secondary roles Dylan [TS]

  bakers in there [TS]

  macaulay culkin shows up Macaulay [TS]

  Culkin's Sebastian Stan lately seen in [TS]

  captain america as Bucky Barnes plays [TS]

  the sort of stuck up prints and brian [TS]

  cox is Abaddon is great [TS]

  yes it's an ex it's extremely well done [TS]

  i know i was not sure that it would take [TS]

  off but having you know i also watched [TS]

  all of it and thought every time i watch [TS]

  the episodes of this show it's really [TS]

  good but it's no one's watching it it [TS]

  was good it looked good and I love the [TS]

  fact that it's the I just thought the [TS]

  idea that it's basically like an [TS]

  American city like New York I mean it's [TS]

  not but it's like that except it's a [TS]

  kingdom and so you've got this you know [TS]

  really interesting kind of smashing [TS]

  together of of all these different ideas [TS]

  and you're right i think political drama [TS]

  set in and in a you know sort of like [TS]

  fantasy universe that's not not our own [TS]

  world kind of a hard sell right because [TS]

  even the people who might be interested [TS]

  in it from a West Wing kind of [TS]

  perspective then they get there they're [TS]

  like what he's a king where is this is [TS]

  this made-up United III don't know if [TS]

  the general audience we go for it and it [TS]

  enables things that I hate to say but i [TS]

  think it sadly was a little too smart [TS]

  for network television [TS]

  yeah maybe too complicated premise yeah [TS]

  I enjoy the show there was a difficult [TS]

  to explain to people why they should [TS]

  want [TS]

  oh yeah it's so too many things are [TS]

  going on but i just want to say it's [TS]

  good watch it [TS]

  yes America way and it aired on sunday [TS]

  about has butterflies three butterflies [TS]

  you like their world aside everything [TS]

  doesn't we all live love butterflies all [TS]

  right with the third pick in the [TS]

  cancelled TV show draft Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann i am going to pick a flawed [TS]

  show that I really liked defying gravity [TS]

  who nobody else's list is not on my list [TS]

  interesting watching I never saw it is [TS]

  on my list I i really i really loved it [TS]

  and it was the as with many television [TS]

  shows that [TS]

  cancel their science fiction and [TS]

  canceled the network did everything it [TS]

  could to confuse people by showing [TS]

  things out of order it was shot in HD [TS]

  and I think not shown HD United States [TS]

  which in HD in Canada they didn't show a [TS]

  couple episodes and show them late and [TS]

  whatever and you know there's some [TS]

  hackney parts to it but the idea is that [TS]

  for what seemed to be you know this [TS]

  plausible reasons and the it's someone [TS]

  the future but not crazy like decades in [TS]

  the future when science has advanced [TS]

  well but not ridiculously so we're not [TS]

  living in some you know arthur c clarke [TS]

  future it's like what we have now very [TS]

  very recently I thought pushed in the [TS]

  future and you know some improved [TS]

  nuclear reactor technology and they've [TS]

  developed a multi-stage spaceship that [TS]

  can do a grand tour of the plants are [TS]

  going to all seven planets I believe [TS]

  besides earth i think it was already [TS]

  been demoted in this universe and it [TS]

  gradually emerges that it's not it's not [TS]

  like warp drives and crap like that it's [TS]

  gonna take a long time it's going to [TS]

  take eight seven or eight years i think [TS]

  in the context of the show which is a [TS]

  nice arc for a multi-season drama and [TS]

  apparently they plotted out the pretty [TS]

  good outline of the entire you know what [TS]

  the Ark of the show was going to be [TS]

  because they had the planets to hang us [TS]

  all off of and the idea was you know [TS]

  that the soon-to-be this perfectly [TS]

  science-driven thing in the corporate [TS]

  sponsorship for it and the astronauts [TS]

  gonna shoot some ads it was very clever [TS]

  but beneath the surface it turned out [TS]

  there was a reed completely ulterior [TS]

  motive that there were some alien force [TS]

  not a force for bad but a force that was [TS]

  beyond explanation and ridiculously [TS]

  powerful that was driving the mission [TS]

  almost by implication by misdirection [TS]

  and there's a grand conspiracy but not [TS]

  to do evil it was just confusing so as [TS]

  the show the first season evolved very [TS]

  complicated relationships to go through [TS]

  astronaut training which seemed very [TS]

  serious it seem like the kind of thing [TS]

  you would have in real astronaut [TS]

  training with your washing out accidents [TS]

  that cause someone to get off the [TS]

  mission and so forth and a very [TS]

  complicated and rich show with deep [TS]

  characters and actors i really like like [TS]

  Ron Livingston from office space was on [TS]

  it i love and then from oh what's the [TS]

  what's the show which the girl is dead [TS]

  it's another show with someone is dead [TS]

  that like me dead like me there is an [TS]

  actress who was on that show as an [TS]

  extremely annoying character and her [TS]

  name is which one was she [TS]

  our Harris yes I very annoying on that [TS]

  show lovely on this show [TS]

  beautiful woman and complex relations [TS]

  complex things happen and so it went for [TS]

  they managed to get through i think 13 [TS]

  and just 13 episodes I think and I don't [TS]

  even know if the 13th was aired in the [TS]

  US it was an extremely expensive show to [TS]

  produce clearly a must have cost [TS]

  millions of dollars in episode and I [TS]

  can't see how they could never have made [TS]

  it cost-effective lots of CGI lots of [TS]

  separate interiors and very interesting [TS]

  to find gravity also on my list and once [TS]

  again the first time episode i saw i [TS]

  thought they're going to cancel this [TS]

  immediately because a it's well-written [TS]

  and b is way too expensive to be a [TS]

  science fiction show on a regular react [TS]

  that was exactly what that's it [TS]

  co-produced in with canadian TV LCD TV [TS]

  and ABC did it so they thought they [TS]

  could raise enough money to do it but I [TS]

  think it just didn't catch on it was [TS]

  cerebral there was some real science in [TS]

  it was geeky it was too much like an [TS]

  advanced version of reality instead of [TS]

  something that was totally fantastically [TS]

  driven with fake science nobody will [TS]

  believe that there are Canadian [TS]

  astronauts with that they were American [TS]

  yeah they're worth they're worth one [TS]

  point two American astronauts and that [TS]

  is the network ABC it was on ABC and [TS]

  they moved it around so you have to [TS]

  figure out you had said you know get [TS]

  like your astrolabe to figure out where [TS]

  and when the show was going to be there [TS]

  to only when the International Space [TS]

  Station was passing overhead exactly [TS]

  streamed directly bounced off the [TS]

  station to your television set and and [TS]

  likely headed out of order and the worst [TS]

  possible thing they cancelled it which [TS]

  is fine you know cancel it but they did [TS]

  not err the last episode that was always [TS]

  your hands did not add ok that's just [TS]

  everything they always they always do [TS]

  that and it's so irritating it's like [TS]

  you're not going to use this for [TS]

  anything else sometimes the studio that [TS]

  has the has the show asks that if shows [TS]

  going to be cancelled they leave [TS]

  episodes not aired so that when they [TS]

  inevitably out an ad they can have [TS]

  unaired episodes another dinner they did [TS]

  last upsetting in [TS]

  canada yeah they've done it for stuff [TS]

  two words like its net Big Show is never [TS]

  coming out on the right we have 13 [TS]

  episodes it but it was it was so it was [TS]

  really beautiful in a way that you know [TS]

  what's nice is the fellow who wrote the [TS]

  series showrunner I think and believe [TS]

  the same guy who wrote directed he was [TS]

  too good things about sorry boy here he [TS]

  revealed the rest of the plot like he's [TS]

  like as never coming back so here's what [TS]

  the next seven years would have been [TS]

  like and didn't give away all the [TS]

  secrets because some of them and figured [TS]

  out but give a rough outline like okay [TS]

  that's actually really satisfying [TS]

  because I kind of wanted to know and I [TS]

  would never know it's possible novelized [TS]

  there's something that's a good story [TS]

  and the other thing is this great little [TS]

  bit which is that there's a guy plays a [TS]

  TV reporter in it who is the is a really [TS]

  aggressive nasty british tabloid TV [TS]

  reporter who's trying to figure out all [TS]

  the details and hanging around there all [TS]

  the time sorting it out and he's in fact [TS]

  the director of sliding doors and I [TS]

  don't know what is directing credits [TS]

  like how he became an actor also laura [TS]

  is primarily after that the only movie [TS]

  director don't forget [TS]

  alright we are going to move onto our [TS]

  our fourth pick of the first round of [TS]

  the cancelled TV draft and of course [TS]

  that will be dan moore and Dan go for it [TS]

  I i have to also pick I think my [TS]

  favorite among all these shows or at [TS]

  least one that I just it pains me that [TS]

  they didn't continue it and that is a [TS]

  short-lived one season 13 episode show [TS]

  that aired on of all networks ABC family [TS]

  called the middle middle middle and oh [TS]

  it's one of the best shows to air in the [TS]

  last year's and like nobody saw it it's [TS]

  okay so basically the premise of it is [TS]

  that in some ways it's kind of a little [TS]

  bit like an American doctor who it's [TS]

  about this guy [TS]

  the middleman who is charged by a [TS]

  mysterious agency to sort of deal with [TS]

  all the weird the things that go bump in [TS]

  the night the aliens vampires zombies [TS]

  you know everything that you've you've [TS]

  read about in comic books and in science [TS]

  fiction is real and the shows the first [TS]

  episode starts off with him recruiting [TS]

  this young woman Wendy Watson to become [TS]

  his apprentice sidekick what-have-you [TS]

  companion [TS]

  at the she's a little more active than [TS]

  your average companion but what's great [TS]

  about the show is that it's all Maj to [TS]

  like all these other science fiction [TS]

  classics there are a number of doctor [TS]

  who jokes there are no jokes about Star [TS]

  Trek there are jokes about pretty much [TS]

  any science fiction you can imagine [TS]

  there are there are sort of global [TS]

  decides to comic books all of this it's [TS]

  a wonderful show that it's just it's [TS]

  it's totally over-the-top and can't be [TS]

  but the writing is so good that i just [TS]

  rewatched the entire thing recently and [TS]

  I've forgotten how how much it makes me [TS]

  laugh out loud it's just there's [TS]

  something about it that perfectly tweets [TS]

  my sense of humor and every episode kind [TS]

  of takes on a different genre so i'll [TS]

  have you know that the alien abduction [TS]

  episode and the zombie episode the ghost [TS]

  episode and i'll have like jokes to [TS]

  things that are reference to that Ghost [TS]

  episode has all these jokes to [TS]

  Ghostbusters including like the fake [TS]

  names of the characters use and it's [TS]

  it's just such a wonderful show and the [TS]

  unfortunately the its left with sort of [TS]

  a cliffhanger episode at the end there [TS]

  although that was resolved in a graphic [TS]

  novel they made a graphic novel [TS]

  13-episode to sort of tie up some of the [TS]

  plot lines though not all of them and [TS]

  just all in all a great show but it was [TS]

  on a weird network it was on it i think [TS]

  friday nights or something it has a you [TS]

  know a cast that nobody's ever heard of [TS]

  and I think of unfortunately had a lot [TS]

  going against it but it was amazing that [TS]

  it got made in the first place and that [TS]

  they made 13 episodes so i highly [TS]

  recommend that if you have not already [TS]

  seen the middleman you check it out [TS]

  alright yeah i love the middleman that's [TS]

  a great great show there's nothing [TS]

  there's nothing not to like about it [TS]

  you're right it is like Doctor Who in [TS]

  the sense that it is a family-friendly [TS]

  fun it's not particularly dark it's not [TS]

  particularly liked it you know it's it's [TS]

  got violence but it sort of fantastical [TS]

  and silly and every episode has a [TS]

  Wilhelm screen and it's not like that [TS]

  tells you later we're expecting they're [TS]

  always they're always hit there might [TS]

  just be off you know slightly off screen [TS]

  but um and just great some great cameos [TS]

  and guest stars i particularly love ya [TS]

  Kevin Sorbo kevin sorbo as a previous [TS]

  middleman and I know they're doing that [TS]

  no but my favorite episode i think [TS]

  perhaps of all of them is the vampire [TS]

  episode which involves vampire puppets [TS]

  yes the thing i recently watched the [TS]

  middle and the thing that really sort of [TS]

  makes it for me is the dialogue where [TS]

  they just managed to play around the [TS]

  word place so much and especially [TS]

  because the shows on ABC family it's [TS]

  like all right we cannot get away with [TS]

  swearing we can't get away with anything [TS]

  else so we're just gonna find creative [TS]

  ways around it [TS]

  well plus the main character is this [TS]

  sort of he supposed to be this wholesome [TS]

  all-american guy and so he's always [TS]

  saying like phooey and kali gee-whiz but [TS]

  he's kinda like this very clean-cut [TS]

  person but you know the sidekick [TS]

  yeah there's a couple scenes where she [TS]

  swears her head off but they bleep it [TS]

  and put like a black bar over her mouth [TS]

  but like there's a surprising amount of [TS]

  swearing you know covered up as it might [TS]

  be in in a show on a family network [TS]

  well it's kind of like yes we know this [TS]

  actually happens so we're not going to [TS]

  really disguise it except for the fact [TS]

  that were required to all right i am for [TS]

  my pick in the first round of the draft [TS]

  here to close out the first round I'm [TS]

  gonna go way back to the delightful [TS]

  decade of the nineteen eighties and you [TS]

  all know what's coming [TS]

  it aired I think 12 episodes and also [TS]

  have an unaired episode because that's [TS]

  what they do the 12-episode wonder that [TS]

  is my beloved max headroom oh yes so max [TS]

  headroom mid-eighties that free whereas [TS]

  Edison Carter and matt and Max Headroom [TS]

  Amanda pace looking about as lovely as [TS]

  any woman has ever looked in any TV show [TS]

  as his controller the the hacker who [TS]

  runs his uh his connection to the [TS]

  internet basically fiora and is that why [TS]

  are fewer is called peora it is indeed [TS]

  actually my on your Escalade or s4 [TS]

  theory Jones for maximum eq and they [TS]

  work at Network 23 the producer is [TS]

  Jeffrey Tambor to play his name is Marie [TS]

  on the show and it is if you go back I [TS]

  mean it is it is dated it was from the [TS]

  eighties but so many things that that [TS]

  show has to say about media mass media [TS]

  journalism TV news [TS]

  even even things like politics and and [TS]

  privacy and security and computer [TS]

  security have all come true [TS]

  it's kind of amazing at the time it [TS]

  seemed kind of visionary but also a [TS]

  little bit of a knockoff of a lame get [TS]

  some kind of neuromancer thing but I'm [TS]

  telling you there are so many things [TS]

  that got right and so many smart things [TS]

  that had to say about about mass media [TS]

  while being a network TV show which is [TS]

  just kind of amazing to me a lot of fun [TS]

  for a show that that I think when it [TS]

  started to come on the air [TS]

  everybody just assumed it would be [TS]

  something kind of silly and ridiculous [TS]

  because it features this you know this [TS]

  computer-generated except not actually [TS]

  head who makes jokes and his encode [TS]

  commercials and yet it turns out that [TS]

  it's actually this media satire about [TS]

  these people who are our reporters for a [TS]

  TV network that is slightly into the [TS]

  future 20 minutes into the future as the [TS]

  show says last well last two very short [TS]

  seasons the ratings were started out ok [TS]

  went too bad I don't even know why i got [TS]

  renewed but it did and then they they [TS]

  put a stop to it midway through the [TS]

  second season but love love love max [TS]

  headroom one of my favorite shows of all [TS]

  time and it is just came out on DVD and [TS]

  it's a crying shame that they didn't [TS]

  make more oh well I should say Morgan [TS]

  Shepherd whose in everything is blank [TS]

  reg in max headroom which is a great [TS]

  character he's got a mohawk and he he's [TS]

  a very cory doctorow s kinda figure he's [TS]

  a UH he's blanked all of his personal [TS]

  information and isn't in the system [TS]

  anymore because he doesn't want to be [TS]

  tracked by the by the man so Max [TS]

  Headroom is my pick because it had to be [TS]

  you kids weren't alive when Max Headroom [TS]

  was on but I'm telling you he's writing [TS]

  to be honest i only remember from the [TS]

  commercial yeah so i recommend i mean [TS]

  even though it even though it is [TS]

  definitely an artifact of the eighties [TS]

  there's a lot of smart stuff that it [TS]

  says so [TS]

  so check out the dvds of Max Headroom [TS]

  now that they're finally available after [TS]

  like 20 years in limbo while they argued [TS]

  over the rights to it [TS]

  ok we'll move on to the second round [TS]

  Scott what's your second selection my [TS]

  second selection is [TS]

  it's tough i have two half-hour shows [TS]

  that i want to pick and I don't know [TS]

  what I'm gonna pick the one that I think [TS]

  less people have seen wonderfalls [TS]

  anybody o amor Bryan Fuller yeah that's [TS]

  all right choices on my list whether you [TS]

  so wonderful is a fantastic brief the [TS]

  short-lived show about a kind of a [TS]

  stereotypical nineties a slacker kind of [TS]

  went to college graduated moved back to [TS]

  her hometown of Niagara in New York and [TS]

  works at a gift shop by the Niagara [TS]

  Falls you know Paul's think the [TS]

  waterfall [TS]

  ok you may have heard of it I added is [TS]

  suddenly inanimate objects start talking [TS]

  to her and giving her cryptic things [TS]

  that you think she's going crazy but the [TS]

  inanimate objects are actually giving [TS]

  her clues to help people and it's it's [TS]

  it's a wonderful show and lasted 13 [TS]

  episodes and features the pieman as a [TS]

  her brother lipe yes of which 44 aired [TS]

  for he said and has my favorite I think [TS]

  my favorite theme song of any show about [TS]

  us I brought that on itunes look after [TS]

  next you see right now it is yes it's a [TS]

  fantastic excellent and very much my [TS]

  wife crazy listening to it over time as [TS]

  I cry and watch episodes of wonder why [TS]

  the one [TS]

  no that's it that's an awesome show it [TS]

  was ya again another show that is so [TS]

  bizarre in its premise that it's seems [TS]

  like it's doomed to failure and well it [TS]

  was but it was it was so well done and [TS]

  so well written i agree so delightful [TS]

  serenity Caldwell you're up what's your [TS]

  second selection [TS]

  oh god all right to my second selection [TS]

  is a show that I actually haven't seen [TS]

  some time but it stands out so vividly [TS]

  on me from my childhood that I have to [TS]

  mention it which is eerie indiana which [TS]

  was a 19 episode show that aired first [TS]

  on NBC in the very early nineties which [TS]

  is where i remember seeing most of it [TS]

  and [TS]

  and on Fox and late nineties and kind of [TS]

  syndicated after-school television which [TS]

  i think when i saw it again and actually [TS]

  remembered it and it's basically the [TS]

  premise is this kid moves to eerie [TS]

  indiana with his parents and quickly [TS]

  discovers the town is in fact pretty [TS]

  eerie and he meets up with this kid and [TS]

  together they basically basically try [TS]

  and solve these very weird things that [TS]

  happen in the town like they find [TS]

  tupperware that allows anything to stay [TS]

  alive forever so it's forever where and [TS]

  like rabid dogs and things like that it [TS]

  was the premise was you know fairly [TS]

  typical kids find weird things that are [TS]

  semi supernatural nature but the writing [TS]

  was very funny and I just like the [TS]

  picture of the show lasted for me years [TS]

  after i saw to the point where I hadn't [TS]

  seen you know I haven't really watched [TS]

  the show since they aired in you know 91 [TS]

  90 97 and then i was reading AV Club for [TS]

  something and they had a retrospective [TS]

  on one of the area Anna eerie indiana [TS]

  episode which is like parallel universe [TS]

  eerie indiana and as i was reading I was [TS]

  like all right this show was amazing and [TS]

  i had to stop like I was halfway through [TS]

  the article i had to stop i had to find [TS]

  it online and had to rewatch that [TS]

  episode because it's just it's one of [TS]

  those things that's in the back of your [TS]

  head and you don't really realize that [TS]

  it's affected you until someone says hey [TS]

  you remember that show and you're like [TS]

  yes this affected my entire childhood so [TS]

  it's great glen fleischmann it's your [TS]

  turn [TS]

  what what obscure show will you talk [TS]

  about now Quinn peaks are ya na these [TS]

  Peaks you know that was watched in [TS]

  college would get around gather around [TS]

  the old coal fire television set and [TS]

  watch we have some cherry pie and watch [TS]

  26 so you know it's I think the show for [TS]

  those people who are unaware sit [TS]

  permitted popular culture is david lynch [TS]

  it was a was part of the David Lynch [TS]

  subconscious that he's unleashed on to [TS]

  us and many of his films and watered [TS]

  down for television to be somewhat less [TS]

  disturbing although exceeding stripping [TS]

  it was a soap right so we sort of david [TS]

  lynch's sensibility combined with that [TS]

  kind of you know Dallas dynasty kind of [TS]

  soapy element which is such a weird [TS]

  combination [TS]

  yeah it was ever talked about a lot of [TS]

  us on this podcast like shows that take [TS]

  somewhat more ordinary situations and [TS]

  combine them with with surreal elements [TS]

  and good writing so you know they're [TS]

  there to I believe twin peaks is on for [TS]

  two seasons and select right and the [TS]

  first season had a story arc that was [TS]

  similar so that the confusing thing [TS]

  about it is you know you open up with [TS]

  this young woman has died this teenagers [TS]

  died and no one knows why and it seems [TS]

  like there must be some kind of crazy [TS]

  murderer and as it develops more the [TS]

  realize or supernatural elements at work [TS]

  that terrible things are you know a deep [TS]

  forces that are beyond the scope of [TS]

  anyone can are in this little town [TS]

  centre there and the story centers [TS]

  around al kooper DB cooper of course who [TS]

  comes to town to from the FBI to [TS]

  investigate the case and then winds up [TS]

  practically moving in together I'll kyle [TS]

  maclachlan and the role of the lifetime [TS]

  real Portland man typically convoluted [TS]

  showing so that the thing that was [TS]

  confusing at twin peaks of course is [TS]

  that they made a two-hour movie that was [TS]

  that kind of the pilot with a rather [TS]

  ordinary creepy ending to it that was [TS]

  shown in Europe if i recollect the [TS]

  original 18 the pilot they shot an [TS]

  ending for it in case it didn't get [TS]

  picked up and that was shown to Europe [TS]

  though when you're up to like David [TS]

  Lynch aficionados as if it was a david [TS]

  lynch Phil right so in the in the TV [TS]

  series was much more complicated [TS]

  involved you know people being possessed [TS]

  and midgets dancing and all usually the [TS]

  sign up some midgets and all the usual [TS]

  paraphernalia did but but it was [TS]

  fascinated with something you want and [TS]

  you don't think it was the lost of its [TS]

  day that you couldn't figure out what's [TS]

  going on normal you sure that anyone [TS]

  could there are things that are [TS]

  presented with were so confusing that [TS]

  they're supposed to be like a dream [TS]

  state you weren't sure there was an [TS]

  answer so the first season but more or [TS]

  less follow the Ark of the movie and [TS]

  you're you find out who killed Laura [TS]

  Palmer although it's rather disturbing [TS]

  and confusing and not a resolution all [TS]

  in the second season fuck you know what [TS]

  goes into this plot involving Dale [TS]

  Cooper former partner the FBI who is [TS]

  somehow super mystical and really crazy [TS]

  and killed the love of dill Cooper's [TS]

  life so and it the show ended like David [TS]

  Lynch new the service is ending and so [TS]

  the last episode is [TS]

  of season two is particularly confusing [TS]

  and ends in Indiana clear [TS]

  yeah well and totally unsatisfied also [TS]

  guess which is one so you know I missed [TS]

  I i think the show had room to grow it [TS]

  was it was a fascinating exercise to [TS]

  have this error on broadcast television [TS]

  and I don't know where it would have [TS]

  gone because you've got to come up with [TS]

  ever more implausible and peculiar [TS]

  situations but a lot of terrific actors [TS]

  of cycle through that show too amazing [TS]

  amateurs heather graham and a sherilyn [TS]

  fenn is in there uh-oh what's her name [TS]

  oh god what was I have another city lara [TS]

  flynn boyle orphan boil right Peggy [TS]

  Lipton is a collector now John Chen who [TS]

  did more later piper laurie was one of [TS]

  her great later rolls wise great flavor [TS]

  wise the fellow who was in all the David [TS]

  Lynch movie they died a number of years [TS]

  ago now always that fellow's name who's [TS]

  a put a crazy role in this movie like he [TS]

  always did it lead guy in eraserhead was [TS]

  in a trust and Raven yeah Russ Tamblyn [TS]

  two people in this in twin peaks were in [TS]

  the the movie of West Side Story the [TS]

  original movie of that side gallery [TS]

  richard beymer and and rust and so it's [TS]

  very a very interesting cast great cast [TS]

  can David and David Duchovny as a [TS]

  cross-dressing FBI agent a couple years [TS]

  before the x-files that's right that's [TS]

  right the at Twin Peaks great show it [TS]

  the second season was uneven although it [TS]

  didn't go off a cliff quite as much as I [TS]

  think some people remember it now I [TS]

  think they made it was kind of a mess [TS]

  but there were some great episodes in [TS]

  there and even though you always have to [TS]

  ask the question what would that third [TS]

  season have been like boy I i just i [TS]

  remember watching that last episode and [TS]

  and just thinking I can't believe this [TS]

  isn't coming back because it was just so [TS]

  interesting and weird and compelling and [TS]

  my favorite thing in the whole show is [TS]

  Don Davis who was later on Stargate as [TS]

  general Hammond he was a he was the dad [TS]

  of the football hero and he was a he was [TS]

  like in the military and the line that [TS]

  gives me the chills even now as he [TS]

  leaned in to Dale Cooper and eat whisper [TS]

  the Owls are not what they seem [TS]

  oh and over time the suggestion was that [TS]

  like the owls were [TS]

  temptation of like aliens or demons or [TS]

  something really weird and supernatural [TS]

  and it was the crazy show that was the [TS]

  average alright the colonel occurrence [TS]

  role and he was running out what they [TS]

  thought was an observatory listening to [TS]

  a space astronomy is great [TS]

  yeah pointing the way they're pointing [TS]

  the it to the ground and looking at that [TS]

  bound the earth this and also might put [TS]

  a Don Davis then had a wreck [TS]

  essentially the same role with salinas [TS]

  weirdest in X Files playing the the [TS]

  presently and dad [TS]

  yes Kelly's dad was instead of the [TS]

  colonel he was Admiral or something [TS]

  yeah so rent Dan Scott did you ever even [TS]

  see twin peaks i have i've never seen [TS]

  two peaks though i'll have to admit I do [TS]

  watch if you've ever seen the show psych [TS]

  they did a twin peaks episode called [TS]

  dual spires which is all involves like [TS]

  seven of the cast members from twin [TS]

  peaks and it was very like bizarre its [TS]

  whole area i mean even if you don't [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff apparently [TS]

  there's a whole wikipedia entry on this [TS]

  is like the only episode of psych that [TS]

  gets its own entire weekend I need to [TS]

  point out to this is one of these things [TS]

  that it was a cultural phenomenon this [TS]

  is what's weird about twin peaks is the [TS]

  first I'm hearing about it people were [TS]

  freaked out in the whole like before [TS]

  this was before the internet was before [TS]

  any kind of mass communication i don't [TS]

  know if you remember this before any [TS]

  kind of mass communication that besides [TS]

  media I people would watch in labor they [TS]

  would go to diners because there's a [TS]

  diner that figures and people would go [TS]

  to diners and watch to show in the diet [TS]

  and other phases this whole plot who [TS]

  killed Laura Palmer was like an [TS]

  international phenomenon for a year and [TS]

  it's like oh I'm not going to spoil it [TS]

  killed her and then went to the second [TS]

  season people like well that's over and [TS]

  it was like it's like the who shot mr. [TS]

  burns thing like landing it's been like [TS]

  20 years are we not we're not going to [TS]

  spoil who killed Laura Palmer it's been [TS]

  20 years father did but he was best buy [TS]

  but he was possessed by killer Bob a [TS]

  decent can jump between from body to [TS]

  body so it wasn't actually her father [TS]

  after all [TS]

  in other words the boys from [TS]

  Supernatural needed to his name is Bob [TS]

  we lived over what you call a [TS]

  convenience store [TS]

  yes sorry just call back okay me [TS]

  yeah little scary and Dan Morgan it's [TS]

  your turn I'm frightened [TS]

  help i'm extremely frightened let's make [TS]

  something a little less frightening [TS]

  I'm gonna go out with a short-lived NBC [TS]

  series about time travel because I'm [TS]

  trail is a journey man its journey male [TS]

  chorus it's Jenny man journey man was a [TS]

  show basically about this [TS]

  this guy just do in San Francisco pisa [TS]

  he's a dude he's a journalist and I'm [TS]

  traveling your journey man general but I [TS]

  mean basically he becomes you know sort [TS]

  of unstuck in time yes to take reminders [TS]

  I'm yeah and so he travels back to [TS]

  certain periods in history and he ends [TS]

  up you know as the series progresses you [TS]

  start to realize that he's going to [TS]

  places that have there's some meaning [TS]

  there's some underlying pattern to the [TS]

  to the people and that he meets when [TS]

  he's traveling through time in the [TS]

  places that he goes and and well it sort [TS]

  of started out kind of kind of blindly I [TS]

  was like any that sounds mildly [TS]

  interesting i watched answer to and I [TS]

  think I ended up watching out most of it [TS]

  on hulu at the time but I'm what was [TS]

  sort of struck me with that as the show [TS]

  goes on [TS]

  I think they go in some really [TS]

  interesting directions with it in [TS]

  particular i'm remembering an episode in [TS]

  which he leaves something in the past [TS]

  that then changes the future but the way [TS]

  it changes his present is in some ways [TS]

  very it'sit's major but it's also kind [TS]

  of like it's not like oh my god now [TS]

  we've got flying cars which is about to [TS]

  basically to spoil it [TS]

  he has a he has a son i believe in the [TS]

  indeed in his own universe and so he [TS]

  could leave something future end it [TS]

  the chain of events that sets off [TS]

  through chaos theory you know sort of [TS]

  ends up with his son was not conceived [TS]

  that day so he you know he he added they [TS]

  had a child conceived on another day and [TS]

  ends up being a daughter but what super [TS]

  creepy about this episode is that his [TS]

  wife in the you know alternate timeline [TS]

  that's created who knows everything [TS]

  about his time traveling like all that [TS]

  is still consistent like realizes what [TS]

  he's going to do and is like fighting [TS]

  him tooth and nail on this because it's [TS]

  like it's her daughter it's like heard [TS]

  the only child that she knows and that [TS]

  it was extremely [TS]

  kind of affecting creepy as an episode [TS]

  when it made you actually think about [TS]

  well he doesn't know this this child at [TS]

  all despite the fact that you know he's [TS]

  her father and all he wants is to get [TS]

  his son back but like you know his wife [TS]

  has no memory of their son and is very [TS]

  fixated on this and I think those those [TS]

  interesting drawing of conclusions [TS]

  really fascinated me and as the show go [TS]

  on you also realize there are there are [TS]

  some there's at least one additional [TS]

  time travel right around and there's [TS]

  also potentially there's the scientists [TS]

  who knows more than he's letting on [TS]

  right and this is where it got [TS]

  frustrating when they canceled after a [TS]

  season because they had set up all these [TS]

  plot lines and it started to really kick [TS]

  into gear with this on with this this [TS]

  character arc and then you know that was [TS]

  it [TS]

  and so we never found out why he was [TS]

  traveling through time or what made him [TS]

  travel through time or whatever and so I [TS]

  think it was an excellent show though I [TS]

  really it really got to me after a while [TS]

  and of course you know i'm sure Jason [TS]

  will tear the geography to shred since [TS]

  it's a lovely San Francisco wasn't bad [TS]

  actually the geography wasn't bad at all [TS]

  III didn't [TS]

  the only thing I didn't like about it [TS]

  was the was read dymond from homicide as [TS]

  the who is he was Mike Kellerman cop on [TS]

  the edge on homicide and here he was his [TS]

  brother-in-law cop on the edge and i [TS]

  didn't i didn't like that character at [TS]

  all he was like mr. I thought it was [TS]

  rather his actual brother right [TS]

  yes he's he's like there to be a plot [TS]

  convenience and or impediment as [TS]

  necessary and he felt very artificial to [TS]

  me [TS]

  oh yeah that's my that's my pick for [TS]

  round two ok excellent my friend to pick [TS]

  is yet another Fox show is not funny but [TS]

  it's a sitcom but it's a funny strange [TS]

  weird to come i am going to pick the [TS]

  tick starring patrick warburton I was on [TS]

  my list i wish that oh I wish the show [TS]

  it lasted [TS]

  so there was the animated tick and then [TS]

  they did the live-action tech patrick [TS]

  warburton as the tick is fantastic i [TS]

  also want to call out Nestor Carbonell [TS]

  who would later go on to be lost as [TS]

  Batman way [TS]

  no such a great character and the show [TS]

  was hilarious and and one of the funny [TS]

  things about is because it was a sitcom [TS]

  and it didn't have a huge budget there [TS]

  was a lot of wacky dialogue they were in [TS]

  the pilot i think has an action sequence [TS]

  in it but basically the action happened [TS]

  kind of off-screen they would they would [TS]

  say that there was a horrible villain or [TS]

  a monster somewhere and then and then [TS]

  they go off and you wouldn't really see [TS]

  it because that wasn't the point [TS]

  this was like Seinfeld with superheroes [TS]

  in it and they hung out in a Chinese [TS]

  restaurant and you know Arthur is the [TS]

  tix roommate the tickets sort of very [TS]

  focused on justice and Arthur is an [TS]

  accountant is concerned with his his [TS]

  life and how they're going to pay their [TS]

  bills remember the ground the gifts on [TS]

  the first steps in episode christopher [TS]

  lloyd talking to Arthur Arthur is moth [TS]

  costume at the accountancy and grace [TS]

  wants to leave to become a superhero [TS]

  christopher lloyd says remember what [TS]

  happened Johnson and they cut to the [TS]

  scene of another account dressed in [TS]

  superhero outfit being beaten up right [TS]

  from the rice and that was that was the [TS]

  the thing that was always great about [TS]

  the tick in in in comic book form and [TS]

  and TV forum as an animated show and [TS]

  then as a live-action show is just very [TS]

  funny you know using all the superhero [TS]

  kind of references and you know the cast [TS]

  was great there writing was great [TS]

  benefit land who created the tick for [TS]

  the comics and has gone on to write for [TS]

  a supernatural right down and as well as [TS]

  just an elaborate out he's a he's a [TS]

  local guy actually I'm because the take [TS]

  was published through New England comic [TS]

  righteous one of our local comic scenes [TS]

  when I was growing up so I actually have [TS]

  several of the original 19 years of the [TS]

  of the comic which only the comic only [TS]

  ran like 13 issues it was canceled [TS]

  before its time so it's it's it's yeah [TS]

  it's a great show and it lasted again I [TS]

  think 10 to 10 12 episodes and and barry [TS]

  sonnenfeld i think was behind that like [TS]

  like he was a producer on Pushing [TS]

  Daisies i'm not mistaken and it said [TS]

  that same super stylized kind of look [TS]

  but on a comedy it was wacky and I I [TS]

  miss it I i will go back and watch those [TS]

  episodes again and it died too soon that [TS]

  was a that was just a fantastic show [TS]

  so the tickets my pic you remember the [TS]

  the the line that been like had is like [TS]

  when they were negotiating the rights [TS]

  for the anime TV show his lawyer so I [TS]

  keep something back and they're like oh [TS]

  let's keep the live-action writes back [TS]

  haha [TS]

  and who knew who knew yeah so we're [TS]

  going to shift into the lightning round [TS]

  now because we're gonna run out of time [TS]

  otherwise so in this third round I want [TS]

  you to give me the name and a brief [TS]

  synopsis and we're gonna blast through [TS]

  another couple of rounds before we go so [TS]

  Scott McNulty all my ex pic Qwik that I [TS]

  the pressure is too much better off ted [TS]

  is and why was that you know I always do [TS]

  yes so it the this is a half hour should [TS]

  come two seasons that followed the [TS]

  adventures of a J Harrington's character [TS]

  Ted crisp in as they worked in a giant [TS]

  company called Veridian dynamics it and [TS]

  i think one of the best aspects of the [TS]

  show I mean it was you know high jinks [TS]

  and and surreal things happening because [TS]

  they have these two scientists that [TS]

  create you know meatless meat and things [TS]

  like that but they also had Veridian [TS]

  dynamics commercials that would so they [TS]

  would go to commercial and you'd be [TS]

  watching regular commercials and then [TS]

  they go back to the show but the show [TS]

  with this the segment of the show would [TS]

  start with a Veridian dynamics [TS]

  commercial which looked exactly like a [TS]

  commercial for like GE Energy has these [TS]

  commercials about wind turbine were all [TS]

  these better [TS]

  exactly it's over tibet in this [TS]

  commercial you watching it be you know [TS]

  for the first 10 seconds very believable [TS]

  and then they you know talk about I [TS]

  don't know protecting the world from [TS]

  alien overlords or you know we make wind [TS]

  turbines and train engines and cows will [TS]

  not cows because no one makes cow stupid [TS]

  and things like that so that's my pic [TS]

  all right [TS]

  read your turn right and that quick [TS]

  alright Clone High what's good yeah good [TS]

  Nick I've never heard of that time I yes [TS]

  very short-lived animation series which [TS]

  admittedly i've only so hold a like [TS]

  Abraham Lincoln is a clone high school [TS]

  it's a it's a high school and early [TS]

  probably [TS]

  cyclones and things people and on MTV [TS]

  about about 10 years ago [TS]

  it's hilarious created by the guy wrote [TS]

  scrubs bill lawrence excellent [TS]

  alright come on that's my neck and [TS]

  Fleischmann andy richter controls the [TS]

  universe anywhere yeah which in which is [TS]

  a great little crazy show that i had a [TS]

  winning season half I think they're 20 [TS]

  episode something like that in any [TS]

  record plays a guy working at a company [TS]

  that's making military equipment like [TS]

  torpedoes and things which they have [TS]

  this written is written by the same guy [TS]

  friends headed ya better of ted is [TS]

  basically andy richter controls the [TS]

  universe without andy richter right so [TS]

  it has little fantasies in his head it's [TS]

  not Herman's head but he has little [TS]

  hilarious very surreal things in his [TS]

  head he walks through the halls of this [TS]

  old company in which he talks the [TS]

  long-dead founder of the firm is a [TS]

  horrible bigoted racist sexist pig and [TS]

  there's a nice little thing is it's like [TS]

  crazy serial stuff in a very nice little [TS]

  compact cast and full of a surprising [TS]

  things and beautifully paget Brewster is [TS]

  fantastic and now that she's fast she's [TS]

  a crackerjack it's funny because she's [TS]

  very funny in that everything else I've [TS]

  seen her in I've never liked her very [TS]

  much but in that she's like a total [TS]

  crackerjack 1940 style comedian dan [TS]

  moore and lightning [TS]

  alright I'm going to pick a british show [TS]

  that aired for six episodes please do [TS]

  not confuse it with the terrible movie [TS]

  of the same name which is in no way [TS]

  related to show is called ultraviolet [TS]

  ultraviolet is kind of an understated [TS]

  vampire show starring jack davenport [TS]

  from coupling on idris elba who would go [TS]

  on to be in the wire and a number of [TS]

  other things an excellent six episodes [TS]

  it's all about just this you know this [TS]

  British sort of agency government agency [TS]

  that hunts vampires and it's got some [TS]

  legitimately creepy episodes it also [TS]

  actually leave my favorite thing about [TS]

  this is that his best friend [TS]

  the main character best friend who gets [TS]

  turned into a vampire was this little [TS]

  known actor who then went on to be a in [TS]

  a show called True Blood playing a [TS]

  vampire but is it's excellent [TS]

  unfortunately ends with sort of a [TS]

  cliffhanger results most of the stuff in [TS]

  the first season [TS]

  but is it is quite good and there's at [TS]

  least one scene i believe it's an [TS]

  episode 5 with the jury sailboat that [TS]

  just like we'll have you on the edge of [TS]

  your seat [TS]

  it's so good dramatically so highly [TS]

  recommended if you can find it it's [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  alright my pic cases is for lightning [TS]

  round is Cupid the ABC hour-long drama [TS]

  tea from the 90 starting jeremy piven [TS]

  little Marshall lasted 12 episode set in [TS]

  Chicago he may be crazy he may actually [TS]

  be Cupid sent down from Mount Olympus [TS]

  for some sort of crime he claims to be [TS]

  Cupid and that he needs to match a [TS]

  hundred true love's together before he [TS]

  can return to Mount Olympus and stop [TS]

  being human and she and Paul Marshall is [TS]

  a psychologist who is assigned to his [TS]

  case because they think he's crazy and [TS]

  yet so it's this romantic comedy premise [TS]

  and yet it's also got this wacky science [TS]

  fictional or fantasy premise of Jeremy [TS]

  print Piven who sort of has powers but [TS]

  you never really quite know whether he [TS]

  really does or not they've danced that [TS]

  line really finely ground it's actually [TS]

  by the the center is rob thomas did [TS]

  Veronica Mars indicate they attempted to [TS]

  bring it they didn't react and it was [TS]

  terror like three episodes i like that [TS]

  show too I don't think anyone else has [TS]

  ever seen it felt like it was very [TS]

  underwater all cupid it was very under [TS]

  watched and yet you know you go on the [TS]

  internet cancellation you can go on the [TS]

  internet and download these incredibly [TS]

  low quality versions of the episodes i [TS]

  hope it comes out on DVD sometime but [TS]

  i'm not really encouraged because rob [TS]

  thomas claims that he actually bought [TS]

  his copies on the on ebay hey to get [TS]

  copies of it on DVD from someone who is [TS]

  he and Jesse James Ryan fully should [TS]

  make a show [TS]

  seriously it'll get canceled network was [TS]

  invaded they have negative episodes some [TS]

  a man from the network would come in rip [TS]

  the scripts out of their hands while [TS]

  they were writing it and tear it up [TS]

  that's how it would happen they should [TS]

  just go to kickstarter and they could [TS]

  fund episode that's all anyway Cupid [TS]

  good i cannot say enough about how great [TS]

  that show was as a it's kind of a [TS]

  romantic comedy with a great edge to it [TS]

  because of the relationship between [TS]

  those two actors between [TS]

  jeremy piven and Paul Marshall so Cupid [TS]

  all right up now with our since you all [TS]

  have list i thought we would go around [TS]

  again but this time you all have still [TS]

  have shows on your list right yeah [TS]

  oh yes ok so this time we're going to do [TS]

  a couple a couple final rounds where you [TS]

  have to just say the name of the show [TS]

  and the rest of us will just react [TS]

  oh man nobly and Rhaegar and we'll see [TS]

  how this is so Scott McDonnell t can ask [TS]

  you questions to what we need well then [TS]

  i have i think the perfect shot for this [TS]

  John from Cincinnati did everybody hate [TS]

  that show [TS]

  exactly that's what was canceled this [TS]

  especially this is the show that that [TS]

  day that david milch made instead of [TS]

  doing more seasons of Deadwood [TS]

  ah yes and it was a surfer Jesus maybe [TS]

  he's got maybe he's maybe he's not who [TS]

  knows nobody knows what I watched the [TS]

  whole thing i liked it i have no idea [TS]

  what happened to it [TS]

  ok alright then uh Caprica really yeah i [TS]

  say that i'm not having seen battlestar [TS]

  galactica Caprica Caprica slow at first [TS]

  and then the last five episodes are so [TS]

  amazing that I'm very angry didn't get a [TS]

  second season the first episodes were [TS]

  horrible [TS]

  yeah they were slow they weren't they [TS]

  were worse than slow anything about it [TS]

  was not good but i will agree with you [TS]

  the last I was in the last three [TS]

  episodes fantastic huh [TS]

  I should go back and watch those that [TS]

  glamming after the itis a Eureka is in [TS]

  campus yet agency i just got canceled [TS]

  like antes ago it's been instances it [TS]

  had it didn't two full seasons of all [TS]

  the no it's not it's not the best in the [TS]

  world but it had a lot of charm to that [TS]

  was surprised how much I would go back [TS]

  and watch it because it had Joe Morton [TS]

  it who I love and I could watch Joe [TS]

  Morton standard a blank screen for 30 [TS]

  minutes and he do that in Terminator 2 [TS]

  you're pretty good match [TS]

  alright Dan Morgan I'm gonna chisel heat [TS]

  vision and Jack are you gonna show you [TS]

  that we have everything there [TS]

  canceled I mean technically i cancel [TS]

  right never [TS]

  even aired the pilot that picked up the [TS]

  pilot for that is amazed is Liz it's [TS]

  hilarious it's a man in the world [TS]

  opportunity for its advantages talking [TS]

  motorcycle the man is Jack Black [TS]

  he's an astronaut he's super smart but [TS]

  only when the sun is up and oh my gob [TS]

  and it's mike is motorcycles voice by [TS]

  owen wilson been getting your hands on [TS]

  the pilot you find the pilot its holder [TS]

  wrote and directed and directed it yes [TS]

  we should check which surprises me like [TS]

  why would know what like all those [TS]

  people were very very popular at that [TS]

  time I'm surprised that no one was like [TS]

  yeah someone will watch this [TS]

  yeah but still very funny ok funny i [TS]

  will say freaks and geeks the chest [TS]

  CJ Apatow great cast a pall yeah Paul [TS]

  Feig to was involved in that great show [TS]

  one season sort of the perfect season [TS]

  I'm not sure whether the second season [TS]

  would have been able to match up but [TS]

  that first season is a thing of [TS]

  perfection and it you can watch it and [TS]

  don't have any sharp objects nearby when [TS]

  you watch these episodes because they [TS]

  are both wonderful and horribly painful [TS]

  to watch because it's so true was using [TS]

  a reddish show Rachel dungeons and [TS]

  dragons the greatest Dungeons and [TS]

  Dragons seen in any in any any show ever [TS]

  and i think it's-- dandy episode is [TS]

  pretty good Yeah Yeah right so [TS]

  undeclared is the one claimed you were [TS]

  thinking of communication I'd like it [TS]

  was great but James Franco as Carlos the [TS]

  dwarf in the last episode of freaks and [TS]

  geeks I love it I love it so I miss it I [TS]

  wish it was still yeah I cast that it [TS]

  gave us many many well-known family had [TS]

  a single and Medicare traigo indifferent [TS]

  about Seth Rogen yeah throwin exactly [TS]

  one more round [TS]

  Scott I i will go with the lone gunman [TS]

  oh it's on my list [TS]

  that's not my list i well I liked it [TS]

  Scott I thought it was funny [TS]

  I don't know it was i I was forced to [TS]

  watch the x-files which I didn't I mean [TS]

  I liked but I didn't love it [TS]

  I was the girl I was going out with in [TS]

  college was a big x-files fan so i watch [TS]

  the x-files and the episodes i loved [TS]

  were the ones that had the lone gunman [TS]

  in it and then they got their own [TS]

  serious i was six publisher 12 as guys [TS]

  like everything from crew members who [TS]

  got recruited into the shoddy work love [TS]

  that and they were all just exactly who [TS]

  they were i love that all right rim and [TS]

  since you cheated Jason we have to [TS]

  mention arrested development because [TS]

  what do you mean Jude well with freaks [TS]

  and geeks freaks and geeks is McGee show [TS]

  additional ok fine [TS]

  it's in the title but you can do it but [TS]

  I've arrested development covers the [TS]

  gamut on geeky and nerdy and crazies [TS]

  gotta finish remember it does have a [TS]

  magician and George Michael so there [TS]

  yes and Jeffrey Tambor who has been one [TS]

  of the show's dimension so there's a [TS]

  connection with Max Headroom connect yes [TS]

  but arrested development it's great [TS]

  there will be a movie made eventually [TS]

  someday maybe if we want to reach [TS]

  michael was 15 years old by Jason to sit [TS]

  still going on today [TS]

  shake ya you'd say that great show [TS]

  yep any of that show Glenn Greg the [TS]

  bunny mom tees Seth Green right yeah it [TS]

  was and extend uh Eugene Levy I'm sorry [TS]

  who played such grandfather up its [TS]

  filthy mouth puppets bring the body is [TS]

  Petey was as it was the Muppets were [TS]

  sort of living creatures among us from a [TS]

  exile from some far-off land it was [TS]

  hilarious incredible friend Sarah Sarah [TS]

  Silverman and sort of a straight role [TS]

  and she was sort of a straight woman in [TS]

  that amazingly enough [TS]

  alright Greg the bunny that was a fox [TS]

  show to lasting sorry I damn or I'm [TS]

  stuck with that would have a list of [TS]

  things that are like cancelled in great [TS]

  but I don't want to like but are out of [TS]

  the genre so I'm gonna go with something [TS]

  that was a ok no no do something good [TS]

  looking good that's not not geeky yeah I [TS]

  levski that's fine right now for example [TS]

  in that case in point out terriers [TS]

  ya hear [TS]

  is ok which was with my favorite of last [TS]

  year they got canceled I blame you Dan [TS]

  for making me watch it and there was [TS]

  cancelled it was so good though it was a [TS]

  great 13-episode rap besides say it was [TS]

  a great show didn't really do anything [TS]

  it is that was a good show and the theme [TS]

  song was great and my first selection is [TS]

  now and again [TS]

  anybody remember that no Eric clothes [TS]

  and oh who wasn't market Colin maybe and [TS]

  it was it's it's the show where John [TS]

  Goodman is hit by a subway train but [TS]

  government scientists retrieved his [TS]

  brain and implanted in the body of a [TS]

  genetically engineered super man Dennis [TS]

  Haysbert is the scientist who has [TS]

  created the generally genetically [TS]

  enhanced Superman and uh and their [TS]

  closest the the body of these big hits [TS]

  the air closes the body with John [TS]

  Goodman's brain it basically so anyway [TS]

  John Goodman or heir clothes hehe wants [TS]

  to go home to his family his his wife [TS]

  and kids but the government they think [TS]

  he's dead and the government doesn't [TS]

  want to let him leave because he's just [TS]

  sort of a test subject and it's actually [TS]

  kind of an action superhero show with [TS]

  this other kind of romantic element [TS]

  because he's trying to he could see his [TS]

  wife sometimes but he can't say who he [TS]

  is [TS]

  great show ends on a cliffhanger where [TS]

  he basically goes to their house takes [TS]

  his family and they run away and the [TS]

  show never came back [TS]

  but great show so the show ran away no [TS]

  did rather effective room and I was [TS]

  going Gordon Karen who created [TS]

  moonlighting and then went on to create [TS]

  not the ghost whisperer the other one [TS]

  medium medium mentally in fact just [TS]

  pitched API so yeah so a show like [TS]

  medium which I found to be kind of [TS]

  mediocre and not any good luck runs for [TS]

  like a billion years but now and again [TS]

  which was unique and really cool like [TS]

  lasted for one season [TS]

  I don't understand to network now [TS]

  welcome to television Jason I watched a [TS]

  lot of medium because my wife really [TS]

  liked videos and I think we should just [TS]

  call the mediocre it's no good [TS]

  it's no good but speaking of my wife she [TS]

  did what I told her the topic of this [TS]

  podcast is she demanded that i mentioned [TS]

  my so-called life [TS]

  of course mentioning myself like okay [TS]

  we're gonna stop it there [TS]

  we've given you food for thought so I [TS]

  think we've learned a lot about shows [TS]

  that died before their time I thought [TS]

  this was a lot of fun [TS]

  I so I want to thank again the [TS]

  participants in the in the draft Scott [TS]

  McNulty I think you drafted well I think [TS]

  you're your team is solid [TS]

  thank you i tried my best serenity [TS]

  Caldwell you did excellent work as well [TS]

  as a very nice selection much more [TS]

  varied than Scott who kept going back to [TS]

  bryan fuller well he took all my Bryan [TS]

  Fuller so i had to be more creative [TS]

  Scott's team name is the bryan fuller [TS]

  eens Glenn thank you very much you were [TS]

  obscure and you do you look at and [TS]

  better yet you brought you drop shows [TS]

  that that from the past like me and so [TS]

  then I didn't feel as old thank you for [TS]

  the all shows from the blue from the [TS]

  deep past time deep the Twin Peaks [TS]

  panels are living tools to 10 very I [TS]

  Love Lucy could have got many more oh oh [TS]

  honey motors there were any episodes [TS]

  about honey but I miss jack benny yeah i [TS]

  miss check then let's bring him back [TS]

  he's still like 39 [TS]

  that's right after 39 forever third and [TS]

  I said that's a terrible story by the [TS]

  way if you go to the mall don't go into [TS]

  forever 30 that's why it's overpriced [TS]

  grumpy [TS]

  dad more'n thank you for your long long [TS]

  list of exactly [TS]

  sadly my team will make it halfway [TS]

  through the season and enclose yes yes [TS]

  they'll be asked to leave that we asked [TS]

  to leave [TS]

  yes the fantasy and cancel TV show [TS]

  League ends after 12 besides never seen [TS]

  everyone could have a plan i don't know [TS]

  who wins I get to the movie [TS]

  no nobody wins nobody on a blog post [TS]

  afterwards that says you to read the [TS]

  comic yes explain tunnel [TS]

  all right on the enough silliness until [TS]

  next time or until we're cancelled [TS]

  releases the income travelpod can ask [TS]

  jason still thanks for listening [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  always go with the eyebrows [TS]

  from Ghostbusters and ghostbusters from [TS]

  eugene levy I'm sorry who played [TS]

  sunscreens father died but I got your [TS]

  breath the guy who's not recommending [TS]

  the guy without the eyebrows would be [TS]

  more identifying I think he's the guy [TS]

  with the eye / house he had hair and [TS]

  features [TS]

  I confess never having seen it i [TS]

  remember the commercial me to even [TS]

  remember the commercials [TS]

  I like spooky Ohio better remember the [TS]

  reaping [TS]

  reaping [TS]

  an initial letters creepy Iowa that [TS]

  stuck with me today saying that is this [TS]

  just something i did in my head or was [TS]

  the theme song to that Gary Indiana but [TS]

  with fury in it [TS]

  I don't remember because that's what [TS]

  please in my head in the end I think we [TS]

  have had absolutely yeah yeah [TS]

  yes that's a little creepy but yeah I [TS]

  think the worst part of the show though [TS]

  is that they did they made a sequel [TS]

  season except they made it only in [TS]

  canada and it wasn't your young adario [TS]

  you don't substandard eerie manitoba [TS]

  your monitor reminded towba ya decide [TS]

  hear you say e this is why we have no [TS]

  comedian listenership I don't know why [TS]

  I'm on this God if I were half canadian [TS]

  I'd be offended [TS]

  it's the our google analytics map shows [TS]

  a big black space for candidates i [TS]

  understand that yes my relatives can [TS]

  never let into the show because they [TS]

  don't have the internet for Kennedy used [TS]

  to be glad Internet in general [TS]

  yeah because whatever they needed for [TS]

  caribou place p conversion hate you all [TS]