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  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable on your host Jason Snell [TS]

  and here we go we're going to talk about [TS]

  know back in the early days of the [TS]

  uncomfortable what we often did was talk [TS]

  about Billy broad broad topics and then [TS]

  over the years we've realized we need to [TS]

  focus in a little bit because there's a [TS]

  lot of episodes you can't you can't stay [TS]

  abroad forever you're gonna get detailed [TS]

  but it's a little bit of a throwback in [TS]

  this one because we're gonna be talking [TS]

  about the x-men and you ask yourself [TS]

  what do you mean Jason the demon the [TS]

  x-men movies do you mean particular runs [TS]

  of the x-men you the graphic novel from [TS]

  the eighties or or the the you know the [TS]

  plastic burn claremont era or or the [TS]

  original x-men that Stanley did with I [TS]

  don't even remember was that car jack [TS]

  kirby was that I don't know it doesn't [TS]

  matter [TS]

  the answer is yes we're gonna talk about [TS]

  the x-men that's what i said the x-men [TS]

  that's it that's it [TS]

  this is an overview about the x-men [TS]

  joining me to talk about all things [TS]

  mutant e.r.a find a panel of people [TS]

  Monty actually is out there hello Monty [TS]

  hello Jason I i'm scanning with cerebro [TS]

  and I detect a very powerful mutant it's [TS]

  lisa Schmeisser hello very careful yes [TS]

  that's my favorite line from I think [TS]

  it's the first x-men movie yes where I [TS]

  tried to make that into a US mean but [TS]

  nobody else wanted to join to it was not [TS]

  me it was like the year 2000 means [TS]

  really quite across the internet yet i [TS]

  just tried to make the other thing that [TS]

  nobody would join me and saying all he's [TS]

  a very powerful mutant but I don't want [TS]

  you and that's right well you know who [TS]

  else is a powerful mutant it's Merlin [TS]

  Mann hi Marilyn [TS]

  hi and then unit circus I was midnight [TS]

  crawler any of our region and our our [TS]

  comrade from no i'm not i would why am I [TS]

  going into a colossal thing I don't know [TS]

  also joining us for her second time in [TS]

  the uncomfortable it's only worker hello [TS]

  hello [TS]

  so the x-men I just wanted to do so also [TS]

  i should say there's a new x-men movie [TS]

  out as we record this and it's not this [TS]

  episode is not about that either because [TS]

  in my in my continuing attempts to [TS]

  frustrate fans who want to talk about [TS]

  our recent release motion pictures I [TS]

  instead go you know I swerve and instead [TS]

  of batman vs superman we talk about the [TS]

  batman animated series instead of x-men [TS]

  apocalypse we talk about everything but [TS]

  Xmen apocalypse basically so [TS]

  what I i want to go around and ask [TS]

  everybody first just sort of what their [TS]

  personal histories with the x-men you [TS]

  know where how did you discover them and [TS]

  and and and maybe how you know what what [TS]

  what resonated with you what was the [TS]

  thing that really struck you when you [TS]

  when you discovered about these uh these [TS]

  Marvel Comics superheroes and there are [TS]

  so many so I'm sure there will be some [TS]

  some right here least one we start with [TS]

  you what what would a what how do you [TS]

  discover the x-men and how do they [TS]

  resonate with you it was entirely [TS]

  serendipitous it was nineteen [TS]

  eighty-three my mom let my brother and I [TS]

  each pick something up from a drugstore [TS]

  comic book rack before a road trip and I [TS]

  picked the uncanny x-men annual number 5 [TS]

  titled lubuntu yes and it's a crossover [TS]

  the Fantastic Four and the reason i [TS]

  picked it as a 5th grader was because I [TS]

  had seen the nineteen sixties version of [TS]

  Fantastic Four before and I always kind [TS]

  of liked both Sue Storm and dr. to but I [TS]

  was like well I don't know the Fantastic [TS]

  Four let's see what else is going on and [TS]

  I i read that issue and what I didn't [TS]

  realize at the time was well actually I [TS]

  did realize was it was pretty quietly [TS]

  radical because you know as a group as a [TS]

  little girl growing up with things like [TS]

  stable even star wars or the Justice [TS]

  League I was used to the formula for any [TS]

  sort of ensemble being all of these [TS]

  dudes plus one of the girl and in [TS]

  uncanny x-men annual number five the [TS]

  team was led by a woman by storm and [TS]

  there was somebody you know who is a [TS]

  team very young teenager kitty pryde now [TS]

  is revelation as well and Sue Storm is [TS]

  part of the team and Sue Storm becomes [TS]

  part of the team and the menus on the [TS]

  team are listening to the women and [TS]

  doing what they say and it's storm and [TS]

  Sue who come up with the plan to rescue [TS]

  the rest of the Fantastic Four from the [TS]

  bedroom for these these evil lizard like [TS]

  people and you know professor at their [TS]

  gets a little side action with the [TS]

  laundry the interest of the Empire and [TS]

  it was such a radical thing to see this [TS]

  this mix of people of all ages and [TS]

  ethnicities and genders working together [TS]

  and i love that comic book I read it [TS]

  over and over [TS]

  over and over again until it fell apart [TS]

  and then i discovered the new mutants [TS]

  and that was pretty much my full bore [TS]

  bore introduction to the x men in [TS]

  general and that the the Nubians are [TS]

  pretty much my flagship book and it's [TS]

  from there the kind of spread sprung [TS]

  into other books other plot lines but [TS]

  didn't the Newton's are always when I [TS]

  return to again and again I Merlin what [TS]

  about you what's your x-men relationship [TS]

  my best friend when I was a kid I loved [TS]

  all things nerdy stuff that like it's [TS]

  kind of normal like now he was a weirdo [TS]

  and he loved Lord of the Rings I mean [TS]

  all the talking books and especially [TS]

  loved x-men and so I knew about he was [TS]

  just here I couldn't stop talking about [TS]

  it so I knew about all these characters [TS]

  i read a little of it didn't get super [TS]

  into it I was that's never really stuck [TS]

  with me although I like the pictures I [TS]

  didn't follow the stories in [TS]

  flashforward many years I on windows [TS]

  have some kind of midlife crisis and for [TS]

  some reason from am I went to amazon i [TS]

  picked up the big omnibus of uncanny [TS]

  x-men starting with giant-size x-men and [TS]

  you know it probably i started reading [TS]

  it and reading with my little kid and I [TS]

  don't know it really i instantly just it [TS]

  came alive and I instantly loved so many [TS]

  of these characters and and sort of like [TS]

  Lisa said i'ii instantly got the kind of [TS]

  the sort of voce message that this is [TS]

  really this is about discrimination and [TS]

  people who don't fit in and gosh who [TS]

  doesn't feel like that especially [TS]

  middle-aged men having a midlife crisis [TS]

  and i'm really into it and that kinda [TS]

  brought me back into comics for the [TS]

  first time since I was a kid and for the [TS]

  last what six years now seven years now [TS]

  it's something that i really come back [TS]

  to enjoying still loving the x-men not [TS]

  reading so much new stuff right now but [TS]

  sometimes you know my kids i will just [TS]

  pick up you know masterworks you know [TS]

  trade of uncanny x-men we'll just we'll [TS]

  just read two or three issues and it [TS]

  still delights me [TS]

  so you did you have no childhood [TS]

  experience with their exposure to the X [TS]

  manner or was really just in recent [TS]

  years [TS]

  well when I was a kid my best friend was [TS]

  a super nerd who's really into stuff [TS]

  like talkin books and he was really into [TS]

  x [TS]

  and other Marvel books i was really more [TS]

  into the thing i like the thing and I [TS]

  like the Hulk like I didn't have the [TS]

  cash layout for thirty-five cents to [TS]

  follow these kinds of things but you [TS]

  know it's funny because as soon as I [TS]

  open that up and started reading the [TS]

  first few pages you see Kurt you know [TS]

  getting chased up a building they're [TS]

  setting on fire and i'm just gonna click [TS]

  for me and and so mean that was the [TS]

  beginning but all on the way like now I [TS]

  love uncanny x-force you know how I love [TS]

  them just ended like Lisa said that the [TS]

  new meat and stuff there's just so much [TS]

  that I get out of this and have all of [TS]

  the big story all the big teams in [TS]

  marvel over the years [TS]

  fantastic 4 into an even greater extent [TS]

  the x-men are two that I can stick with [TS]

  even through some of their Silius times [TS]

  mostly because there's just something [TS]

  special about that team that I can't [TS]

  quite put my finger on and it's the [TS]

  blights me to this time point what's [TS]

  your--oh what's your experience with the [TS]

  x-men well um what happened was [TS]

  sometimes I think it was between my [TS]

  freshman and sophomore year of high [TS]

  school I basically fell in with the [TS]

  wrong crowd [TS]

  by which you mean comic book nerds by [TS]

  which I mean comic book nerds yeah um [TS]

  but yeah well I shouldn't say that [TS]

  because I had already dipped a toe into [TS]

  the comic book universe because i had [TS]

  discovered Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles [TS]

  through the cartoon i had gone back and [TS]

  discovered the original Eastman and [TS]

  Laird and so I had actually stepped foot [TS]

  in a comic book store [TS]

  I had you know had that introduction to [TS]

  the world and so through that I sort of [TS]

  knew the existence of these x-men and [TS]

  you know the rest of the Marvel Universe [TS]

  but so I sort of hopped between social [TS]

  groups from one year to the next in the [TS]

  in high school and they like met these [TS]

  like my new friend Tony and my new [TS]

  friend Julie and oh hey we're all going [TS]

  over to tony's this weekend and we're [TS]

  bringing a long boxes you want to come [TS]

  I'm like okay sure so I we go over there [TS]

  and it's just there it's just x-men it's [TS]

  just like this room full of loose issues [TS]

  of every x-men series and i just sat [TS]

  down and started reading and I was [TS]

  absolutely hooked room sounds like [TS]

  paradise [TS]

  well you would think so except that Tony [TS]

  lived above a funeral home soon so it [TS]

  literally was paradise then he had very [TS]

  quiet neighbors some fascinating place [TS]

  to me but no it really was and we would [TS]

  do that like once a month or so we would [TS]

  all just go over to someone's house and [TS]

  and you know make our parents put all of [TS]

  our long boxes in the car and and you [TS]

  know take them over and that was that [TS]

  was it you know i just i started reading [TS]

  as many of their back issues as I could [TS]

  so that I didn't have to lay out the [TS]

  cash myself but I would go and buy a few [TS]

  that they didn't have it was like the [TS]

  the three or four of us were all trying [TS]

  to like build the complete collection [TS]

  together and that was about when the [TS]

  second book started up i think it's my [TS]

  understanding is now it's called x-men [TS]

  vol 2 was like in 1991 they just started [TS]

  x-men without the uncanny in front of it [TS]

  and they split into blue and gold teams [TS]

  and now oh there's another title you [TS]

  have to buy and and but I was the the [TS]

  book this sort of became my book was [TS]

  Excalibur because it had because it had [TS]

  Kitty Pryde and because it had Kurt and [TS]

  that mean even though I knew [TS]

  intellectually that it was rather silly [TS]

  and some of it was pretty bad [TS]

  two of them i would forgive a lot for [TS]

  the two of them the tools they were sort [TS]

  of my touchstones through the whole [TS]

  thing and that lasted I had a very [TS]

  intense x-men period that ended rather [TS]

  suddenly actually at the end of high [TS]

  school and from then on it's been sort [TS]

  of like I'll go back and check in on [TS]

  them every once in awhile it's sort of [TS]

  like getting your college alumni [TS]

  newsletter and and say oh wait she had a [TS]

  kid when did that happen and you know [TS]

  away now he's on the other team and no [TS]

  he's dead [TS]

  oh no he's back again okay [TS]

  so that's been and the movies and you [TS]

  know nostalgia and all of that so that's [TS]

  been sort of my relationship since then [TS]

  money what about you [TS]

  well when I was a tiny child i read some [TS]

  comic books i remember being partial to [TS]

  the flash and richie rich i don't know [TS]

  how i picked those two there and so [TS]

  often happens yes I like the combination [TS]

  yeah I don't those were the ones i [TS]

  gravitated to i assume i wanted to run [TS]

  fast and be rich 34 friends then I [TS]

  drifted away from comics but state a [TS]

  huge nerd and then the mid-nineteen [TS]

  eighties I fell in with the right crowd [TS]

  by which i mean comic book readers and [TS]

  role-playing east and the first really [TS]

  long role-playing campaign i got into [TS]

  was this game of teenage mutant ninja [TS]

  turtles and other straightness a [TS]

  palladium RPG that is terribly balanced [TS]

  and i actually knew about it as a great [TS]

  RPG first and then I found out about the [TS]

  comics and checking what issues I had I [TS]

  this looks like it was about mid [TS]

  nineteen eighty-five so again so we both [TS]

  of you encounter teenage mutant ninja [TS]

  turtles which are of course satirizing [TS]

  among other things the x-men the x-men [TS]

  is the mutant part and the teenage party [TS]

  i guess to a certain extent and the [TS]

  ninjas is more of a daredevil kind of [TS]

  reaction but that's so you see [TS]

  discovered Mutant Ninja Turtles before [TS]

  you discovered yeah [TS]

  Marvel mutants because i was going to [TS]

  comic book stores a bunch at that point [TS]

  and then somewhere in mid nineteen [TS]

  eighty-five i found the x-men and [TS]

  absolutely fell in love with it i am [TS]

  unable to tell what my first issue was [TS]

  because I immediately started buying [TS]

  issues back from where I was to find out [TS]

  who these characters were because in [TS]

  those days we do not have Wikipedia for [TS]

  cheap reprints but I feel like it was [TS]

  probably around issue 190 because i know [TS]

  for a fact that the x-men team in my [TS]

  head is the correct x-men team which is [TS]

  storm as leader possibly without powers [TS]

  and then we'll bring Nightcrawler road [TS]

  Colossus kitty pryde that sort of thing [TS]

  classic and i bought almost every [TS]

  spin-off book as they came along I was [TS]

  very into New Mutants I tried to get [TS]

  into x factor but those old characters [TS]

  are boring and not my x-men so who cares [TS]

  mm ah i did not get very into power pack [TS]

  although i did have to buy at least two [TS]

  issues because of secret wars crossovers [TS]

  bug ya based in secret wars two [TS]

  crossovers even better but basically the [TS]

  mid-eighties x-men is my entry into [TS]

  mainstream comic books the so for me [TS]

  very very close to Monte an era i would [TS]

  say i discovered i i i really got into [TS]

  comics in the in the in the early to mid [TS]

  eighties I would say and x-men was so at [TS]

  that time x-men had become the most [TS]

  popular marvel comic but there was a [TS]

  real disparity between comic book people [TS]

  and the sort of the general public [TS]

  awareness of superheroes write the [TS]

  general public knew about Superman and [TS]

  Batman and from the marble side they say [TS]

  they heard of spider-man and maybe like [TS]

  Captain America but that was about it [TS]

  and meanwhile the top selling comic not [TS]

  just Marvel comic but all of all comics [TS]

  was uncanny x-men and so as a as a kid [TS]

  discovering comics it was this coat [TS]

  surprised that this thing that I've [TS]

  never really even heard of was so [TS]

  popular and I remember the older wiser [TS]

  comic book people being like super into [TS]

  the x-men and me being sort of skeptical [TS]

  of that because i was into my you know [TS]

  spider-man and and in my sci-fi tie-in [TS]

  books like micronauts and rom and things [TS]

  like that so the but i'd say for me was [TS]

  the Paul Smith era which is actually not [TS]

  very long [TS]

  it was in the in like I don't know 83 [TS]

  maybe it was it was a between 165 175 [TS]

  uncanny x-men really is the thing that [TS]

  got me into the x-men that's where I [TS]

  discovered again very similar to Monte [TS]

  you know storms the leader that I think [TS]

  that's in the run there is where Cyclops [TS]

  leaves to go off to Alaska for two to [TS]

  meet his girlfriend [TS]

  he's a clone of jean grey and they get [TS]

  can maybe get a personality [TS]

  yeah can you know you can buy the brood [TS]

  taken into space all sorts of stuff like [TS]

  that and then and and and then when Paul [TS]

  Smith left uh they replaced him with [TS]

  John Romita Jr who was my favorite [TS]

  spider-man artist of of mine and I [TS]

  didn't actually like his x-men but it [TS]

  didn't matter that boy because i was on [TS]

  the New Mutants train as as Lisa [TS]

  mentioned and I got to experience like I [TS]

  inherited the x-men even though this was [TS]

  a I turned over a couple of times line [TS]

  of the x-men as I later found out when I [TS]

  went back and read the burn [TS]

  claremont run which I did not too long [TS]

  after that I inherited the x-men but the [TS]

  New Mutants belong to me and so I always [TS]

  I always liked the new mutants I from [TS]

  from the graphic novel and issue number [TS]

  one in fact because they were they were [TS]

  they were new and and everybody was [TS]

  meeting them for the first time and also [TS]

  because it was an attempt by chris [TS]

  claremont marvel to reset back to the [TS]

  classic thing about the x-men that I [TS]

  think I really do love which is that [TS]

  their their students who are learning [TS]

  who they are and what their powers are [TS]

  and they have to wear the dumb outfits [TS]

  and training the Danger Room because [TS]

  they're not quite superheroes yeah and [TS]

  they take ballet the other superheroes [TS]

  you know in training and Kitty Pryde [TS]

  doesn't wanna be one of them which sets [TS]

  up with some amusing a back-and-forth [TS]

  and and and so that was that was how I [TS]

  got into to the x-men time to take a [TS]

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  so my mentioning the the New Mutants [TS]

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  topics I wanted to bring up here is [TS]

  about sort of the what the x-men [TS]

  represent it came up already [TS]

  they're Outsiders they represent people [TS]

  who are different they're mutants [TS]

  they're they're born different and they [TS]

  were shunned by society so there are [TS]

  lots of metaphors you know what that [TS]

  means you can place on top of that that [TS]

  core metaphor and it can sort of mean [TS]

  what you want it to mean to a certain [TS]

  level but I always really liked that and [TS]

  I also like the kind of purity of the [TS]

  the school concept as well that these [TS]

  are these are people who are trying to [TS]

  figure out who they are [TS]

  while they're being shunned by by by the [TS]

  world so so I is Emma my right is that [TS]

  sort of the core of the appeal of the of [TS]

  the x-men do you think i would hazard [TS]

  that one of the appeals of the x-men at [TS]

  least as somebody who has been reading [TS]

  it for price 30-year is um there are so [TS]

  many different characters that it's not [TS]

  a book for just a really specific time [TS]

  in your life but there are so many [TS]

  different characters with so many [TS]

  different circumstances you you'll find [TS]

  somebody to relate to it almost every [TS]

  point um and they love the strongest [TS]

  riders on the series have always done a [TS]

  good job of blending and balancing [TS]

  different types of personalities because [TS]

  you always have some hyper conscientious [TS]

  types and some wildly and secure types [TS]

  and some incredibly Reverend types and [TS]

  some straight for heroic types and when [TS]

  you watch this this blend of people of [TS]

  again of all ages and all abilities [TS]

  sparking off of each other [TS]

  it's really easy to step into the book [TS]

  and began identifying and I think that's [TS]

  another part of the appeal as well is in [TS]

  addition to the whole you know where all [TS]

  mutants under the skin message there's [TS]

  also we all have to deal with people all [TS]

  of the time that we were thrown together [TS]

  with three circumstance and then we have [TS]

  people that we want to be with by choice [TS]

  and in the relationships I are such a [TS]

  heart of the book I think that's part of [TS]

  the appeal as well as you eat is you get [TS]

  very invested in your specific x-men [TS]

  like kitty pryde and you want to see [TS]

  pegou you're like oh my god like I can [TS]

  remember reading the New Mutants and be [TS]

  like Oh Mike [TS]

  why are you being such a jerk and at the [TS]

  same time like on the other hand if I [TS]

  had been demoted from running around [TS]

  with my crush Colossus and like the [TS]

  people I thought were my peers and being [TS]

  forced to hang out with with the ex [TS]

  babies i would be a I would be a real [TS]

  little pill too so that you know it was [TS]

  it was a great mirror for seeing your [TS]

  own experiences reflected back and use a [TS]

  teen and then as an adult you can kind [TS]

  of see you know how people negotiate all [TS]

  sorts of different like workplace [TS]

  interpersonal conflicts and I find it [TS]

  incredibly rewarding that way [TS]

  hadn't thought about how the the school [TS]

  concept as you put it really helped the [TS]

  series in the eighth provided structure [TS]

  and it's sort of forced people to have [TS]

  to deal with each other instead of USA [TS]

  everyone waking up in their own separate [TS]

  apartments and and you know having [TS]

  little thought bubbles about what [TS]

  they're doing they're all having to deal [TS]

  with each other in each other's faces [TS]

  and it creates tension and it creates a [TS]

  lot of opportunity for the writers to [TS]

  just pair people up and see how they [TS]

  bounce off each other and in that way it [TS]

  became almost like i don't know i'm [TS]

  thinking of The Sopranos and in how [TS]

  you've got the the private lives and and [TS]

  like the work lives and how the two of [TS]

  them just mesh completely that you have [TS]

  what's going on at the school and you [TS]

  got what's going on out in the outer [TS]

  world that they have to react to and go [TS]

  flying the jet and deal with and at the [TS]

  same time they're trying to manage all [TS]

  of these crazy relationships that [TS]

  they're all developing and yeah i do [TS]

  think that was quite a bit of the [TS]

  success also something that I feel like [TS]

  come probably mostly comes out of DC [TS]

  characters where I think it for a long [TS]

  time the public imagination even until [TS]

  fairly recently our concept of Cape [TS]

  superheroes was that they were these [TS]

  people who were on ironically gifted [TS]

  like sure Batman had problems as a kid [TS]

  but like he had this noble thing that he [TS]

  wanted to do and he bought himself up [TS]

  and I think the thing part of what made [TS]

  there's so many things that made the [TS]

  early sixties marvel comics you know [TS]

  great interesting and enduring you know [TS]

  in the case of almost all of them [TS]

  especially fantastic foursome [TS]

  I'm an x-men they are really all comics [TS]

  of their time they're based on the fears [TS]

  and concerns of the time fear of [TS]

  radiation concerned about you know [TS]

  segregation and things like that in the [TS]

  case of x-men but so whether or not [TS]

  regardless of whatever your own feeling [TS]

  of being part of or away from society [TS]

  one thing almost every teenager has in [TS]

  common is they don't like how they are [TS]

  they don't like how they got that way [TS]

  and they don't see much hope your [TS]

  prospect of anything being good as a [TS]

  result so when Kitty Pryde is getting [TS]

  headaches and phasing through the floor [TS]

  from up there is a lot of little girls [TS]

  who had their aunt flo arrived and that [TS]

  a lot of the same stuff like that I did [TS]

  not ask for this this is not what I [TS]

  wanted [TS]

  there's no one like me I'm the biggest [TS]

  weirdo in the world and nothing good [TS]

  will ever happen to me [TS]

  so now you got something again like you [TS]

  say like with with the with the with the [TS]

  school you're surrounded by people like [TS]

  that yeah you have to get along with [TS]

  them but you're also going to you're [TS]

  gonna have an opportunity to say you [TS]

  know what I am a weirdo but I'm gonna [TS]

  find some way to make something good out [TS]

  of this and you think about you know [TS]

  again think about think about Peter [TS]

  Parker you know think about Ben Graham [TS]

  think about all those folks who were [TS]

  like you know bank needs to be real [TS]

  handsome guy he didn't like looking like [TS]

  that but he figured out a way to make [TS]

  that into something better and bigger [TS]

  than himself and that's to me what makes [TS]

  the promise of the x-men so interesting [TS]

  continues to be a big 10-4 anybody feels [TS]

  like a weirdo [TS]

  well they also put an extra level of [TS]

  weirdness because the residents of the [TS]

  Marvel Universe are very picky and they [TS]

  can tell the difference between somebody [TS]

  who has their powers because of cosmic [TS]

  rays which is fine and people who were [TS]

  born that way and they're evil and have [TS]

  to be shot [TS]

  it's a great way to explore the nuances [TS]

  of bigotry because you know all the [TS]

  spider bit you [TS]

  well carry ons when you cross yeah it [TS]

  wasn't my good on my good lad as opposed [TS]

  to oh you have the x-gene to the tundra [TS]

  you know one of the Marvel like to do is [TS]

  have unhappy superheroes people who are [TS]

  mopey because they have superpowers [TS]

  yeah which a lot of the time doesn't [TS]

  work because except for Ben Grimm the [TS]

  rest of the Fantastic Four are fine and [TS]

  can get on with their lives I'll be mr. [TS]

  fantastic intervening says Johnny Storm [TS]

  ok [TS]

  yeah but the x-men and all the whole [TS]

  mutants even if they look normal they [TS]

  know they are hunted and despised for [TS]

  what they are and a lot of like say a [TS]

  lot of teenagers also feel like they are [TS]

  hunted and despite just for being [TS]

  themselves man that's right and you have [TS]

  two different kinds you got the you have [TS]

  the mutants who are visibly mutant like [TS]

  Nightcrawler being a good example it or [TS]

  where the Beast back in the day who they [TS]

  don't they don't make physically don't [TS]

  fit in and then you've got the other [TS]

  kind of outcasts who are the ones who [TS]

  who know their different inside and I [TS]

  and and if they don't say anything or [TS]

  they don't you know if they behave right [TS]

  they might be able to pass for some [TS]

  amount of time but they know that it's [TS]

  it's not true and and that they could be [TS]

  found out in that they're not being true [TS]

  to themselves and I i like i like both [TS]

  of those approaches and by by having the [TS]

  team you've got people who got these two [TS]

  they're in different stages of life and [TS]

  they've got different ways that they [TS]

  interact with with society and it makes [TS]

  it really interesting [TS]

  that's a good point because you talk [TS]

  about the ways they interact with [TS]

  society and I was gonna say would also [TS]

  appeals to be about the x-men especially [TS]

  become adults is the writers tend to [TS]

  come back repeatedly to each character [TS]

  ask themselves who do I want to be and [TS]

  what am I going to do in the world with [TS]

  who why with with that the talents and [TS]

  traits that i have am I going to be [TS]

  somebody who's like a straight-up hero [TS]

  or am I going to be somebody who run the [TS]

  detective agency or am I going to be [TS]

  somebody who's a school administrator in [TS]

  there are some mutants are all you know [TS]

  I don't forget you i'm i'm going to [TS]

  become off high-class prostitute because [TS]

  that is the thing that most women X [TS]

  could god I'm going to become a rock [TS]

  star or disco star was thinking [TS]

  something she shoots lasers with sound [TS]

  ok I think about the villains that you [TS]

  end up really enjoying or when you fill [TS]

  in what it would mean a villain you know [TS]

  the bad guys the baddies but I mean you [TS]

  know what does it make the Joker so [TS]

  great with Batman the Joker Dino super [TS]

  deep cataloging Batman but one of the [TS]

  reasons i love the Joker is that he [TS]

  realizes something he wants Batman to [TS]

  realize that thing and that thing is we [TS]

  need each other like we cannot rise to [TS]

  the appropriate level of what we are [TS]

  capable of without pushing each other so [TS]

  that makes a great every single [TS]

  relationship whereas again look over [TS]

  here at somebody like magneto Magneto [TS]

  got his [TS]

  reasons for being added in various times [TS]

  in the history of the x-men there are [TS]

  ppl misguided or otherwise who feel dogs [TS]

  certain that whatever it is they believe [TS]

  is best for everybody so whether that's [TS]

  with his name in godless man kills or [TS]

  without striker striker yesterday haha [TS]

  striker that guy or whomever like you [TS]

  need a the thing is this is what makes [TS]

  for great potentially great literature [TS]

  is to have somebody who gets cast as the [TS]

  antagonist but they you know nobody [TS]

  thinks they're the troll because [TS]

  everybody's got their reasons and that's [TS]

  why magneto continues to be interesting [TS]

  because you know you don't know what [TS]

  side he's going to be on but he's [TS]

  definitely not on the same page as [TS]

  everybody else but i don't know i think [TS]

  that continues to making such an [TS]

  interesting character [TS]

  yeah he was on the x-men for a long time [TS]

  and it was completely justified he [TS]

  didn't have to change any of his basic [TS]

  motivations to do it which is not [TS]

  something you can do with a lot of [TS]

  villains [TS]

  yeah or listen carefully I mean you know [TS]

  you could have the lex luthor he is [TS]

  working with Superman now is like yeah [TS]

  okay but with Maggie know it was about [TS]

  his approach and and I mean he sometimes [TS]

  drawn as much more villainy but but i [TS]

  agree so much of this is about or emma [TS]

  frost yeah well i was thinking i was [TS]

  gonna bring her up because i actually [TS]

  one of the things that you know they're [TS]

  the classic things about the x-men that [TS]

  i kind of am sad that they don't have [TS]

  anymore because they have progressed but [TS]

  I it's hard for me to complain about a [TS]

  comic-book trying to progress characters [TS]

  because usually they don't and and so [TS]

  Emma Frost is a good example who she [TS]

  starts out [TS]

  I mean she's got some she's allergic [TS]

  clothing we've established this she [TS]

  really doesn't want to wear any it's she [TS]

  wears as little as possible so she was [TS]

  you know she's she's the the white queen [TS]

  and the Hellfire Club and she's up she's [TS]

  a baddie and it turns around and becomes [TS]

  a really interesting character as Scott [TS]

  Summers girlfriend and a teacher who's [TS]

  basically running the school and um you [TS]

  know she's she and she's got an itch to [TS]

  her because she isn't like a goody-goody [TS]

  because she was a villain and ends up [TS]

  being a you know it did that there's a [TS]

  all these characters who are mutants [TS]

  they're all on in one level they're on [TS]

  the same side right and it's just a [TS]

  matter of what they choose to do [TS]

  politically about being on that side [TS]

  they're the ones they're all apart the [TS]

  good guys and the bad guys are all apart [TS]

  from the rest of the world because [TS]

  they're in general and the x-men all [TS]

  mutants that's really interesting i'd [TS]

  rather than my frost just because you [TS]

  talk about you know she was rolled out [TS]

  and she's the white queen she can [TS]

  Sebastian's you know Sebastian's shot is [TS]

  terrifying and what was striking even [TS]

  back in the eighties was her laser focus [TS]

  was i'm going to raise these children so [TS]

  they don't have to go through what I go [TS]

  through and if if her means were you [TS]

  know seen as evil or manipulative she [TS]

  she could not care less what you thought [TS]

  because she had a goal is really focused [TS]

  on I feel like she shares that with [TS]

  magneto where they have this one [TS]

  principle that drives everything they do [TS]

  and it's a good principle it's just that [TS]

  they are very much of the well you [TS]

  cannot make an omelet without going [TS]

  through accident [TS]

  yeah but I'm one of my the moment I will [TS]

  always love Emma Frost for actually [TS]

  happens during marvel civil war event [TS]

  when Tony Stark comes and he's like yeah [TS]

  we really want the mutants to help out [TS]

  the side of the side of Tony Stark the [TS]

  side of right and she's like I like the [TS]

  way the Avengers helped after her big [TS]

  crisis last year Donna are we in the [TS]

  Marvel Universe now I hadn't noticed [TS]

  yeah and just the way she throws his [TS]

  crap in the street and she's all know [TS]

  you know what mutants mutants lookout [TS]

  for mutants I don't care what the rest [TS]

  of you do every mutant has their orders [TS]

  to stay out of this and when she when [TS]

  she puts it like that you know that [TS]

  everyone staying out of it like you know [TS]

  there's not going to be Wolverine [TS]

  popping into this book to Goose sales [TS]

  because II you even he goes back and i [TS]

  love that she explicitly draws length of [TS]

  solid evidence is no these are the [TS]

  people I'm for you are not one of them [TS]

  and by the way you work you work for us [TS]

  what we needed you so have a Coke and a [TS]

  smile and good luck in Captain America [TS]

  going the other way road was a villain [TS]

  who turned you into a hero as a complete [TS]

  turning on a dime in it yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

  mean there was there was some tragedy in [TS]

  her but it did happen awful fast that [TS]

  was right at Corrin in the core of my [TS]

  expanding and and she was meant to be a [TS]

  tragic character her tragedy was that [TS]

  she almost killed miss marvel but still [TS]

  kinda messed her up in the head man [TS]

  cause she kinda absorbed the heroism of [TS]

  ms marvel and [TS]

  and it sort of made her rethink things [TS]

  and they haven't rehabbing a villain and [TS]

  and turning them into an x-man was an [TS]

  interesting story for rogue but it was [TS]

  no no I i am with You Monty it's gonna [TS]

  happen awfully awfully fast i also find [TS]

  a chilling that we gave this woman a [TS]

  personality transplant now she's [TS]

  wonderful as is seen as a completely [TS]

  valid after everybody [TS]

  yeah by the time i was reading she's [TS]

  just the invulnerable flying one with a [TS]

  southern sun and magnificent mullet oh [TS]

  my god i think it's going straight [TS]

  john romita like to take his time with [TS]

  drawing air [TS]

  yeah listen sugar yeah I liked Rogan III [TS]

  it's one of the things that I sort of [TS]

  hesitate to go back and read the the era [TS]

  that i started reading the nineteen [TS]

  nineties because looking back at it now [TS]

  I realize how thin the character was and [TS]

  but I thought that you know her plight [TS]

  was so tragic and you know she couldn't [TS]

  touch anyone and and oh you know it [TS]

  I gambit gets a lot of flak that is very [TS]

  well observed and he basically exist to [TS]

  be the man she cannot touch and but at [TS]

  the same time it was sort of that [TS]

  there's the TV show Beauty and the Beast [TS]

  that was on at about the same time where [TS]

  it was where they set up the tension so [TS]

  well that anything that was you know two [TS]

  pinkies touching constituted you know [TS]

  full-on you know going at it and that [TS]

  was what they set up for the two of them [TS]

  and so as as a fifteen-year-old girl I [TS]

  was completely enraptured by anything [TS]

  that the two of them are in and now I'm [TS]

  like God I don't even want to look at it [TS]

  because I i'm just going to be [TS]

  embarrassed but they managed to touch [TS]

  something really primal with her which [TS]

  is it is a very very freaky thought what [TS]

  if you couldn't touch anyone for the [TS]

  rest of your life and just that ability [TS]

  of hers that was also such a huge [TS]

  impediment sheet sort of personified i [TS]

  think a lot of the [TS]

  the the double-edged sword of being a [TS]

  mutant you have this amazing power and [TS]

  you may just chuck it all you know if [TS]

  you could in order to just have basic [TS]

  human contact time to take a break and [TS]

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  I wanted to talk about the characters [TS]

  here because we mentioned a few of them [TS]

  in there so there are so many I I'm [TS]

  surprised we haven't talked about [TS]

  Charles Xavier at all but they they he [TS]

  kind of comes and goes hey they promised [TS]

  Jason they kill them off and then he [TS]

  comes back and he dies again and they [TS]

  pick his brain and put him in somebody [TS]

  else and it's a thing that house he [TS]

  doesn't walk he walks he doesn't yeah i [TS]

  know the clone body and they break the [TS]

  body to me it's a thing but he comes to [TS]

  me goes but there's so many characters [TS]

  and it and it's a rich word with this is [TS]

  not the draft but i do want to go around [TS]

  and ask everybody if they have if they [TS]

  have a favorite one or two x-men because [TS]

  i think that we're never gonna be able [TS]

  to capture them all but maybe we can [TS]

  touch quickly on on a few of the [TS]

  characters that are really made an [TS]

  impact with us Berlin what about you [TS]

  we have a your favorite favorite x-men [TS]

  that's like asking me to pick my [TS]

  favorite Beatles song and it's really [TS]

  hard to changes from time to time but an [TS]

  enduring favorite for me is kitty pryde [TS]

  i think that's probably when everybody's [TS]

  favorite because she feels like us and [TS]

  she's the way that and if you can get [TS]

  with the Marvel style and you know I [TS]

  totally understand if you can't get with [TS]

  the Marvel stop when she's introduced I [TS]

  will freely return to that crazy run [TS]

  that awesome run so much great stuff [TS]

  around that time when they introduced [TS]

  dazzler and they introduced kitty pryde [TS]

  there's so much great stuff but the way [TS]

  that she's written she really feels like [TS]

  a Jewish kid from Chicago who takes [TS]

  ballet lessons really i buy it I'm in [TS]

  like I'm sold [TS]

  I wanted to mention some of our kitty [TS]

  because that I think kitty kitty is so [TS]

  many people talk about about kitty and i [TS]

  remember i told you i like the hardcore [TS]

  comics fans who all loved x-men and I'll [TS]

  love Wolverine these are all a bunch of [TS]

  12 year old boys were like wolverine [TS]

  he's so cool you can cut things with his [TS]

  claws he's awesome he's got a cigar he's [TS]

  great right [TS]

  and then there's me who you know quite [TS]

  frankly would not talk about it to those [TS]

  to those guys because I didn't want to [TS]

  let on but it's like I actually really [TS]

  like kitty pryde she's the one she's one [TS]

  question I don't have anything connected [TS]

  to Wolverine at all it's like he's just [TS]

  this grumbly canadian guy right cliff [TS]

  Claus but kitty is an awkward teenager [TS]

  who is trying to interact in a world [TS]

  with all of these adults who have [TS]

  who seem to have their stuff together [TS]

  and I'll in a way that she absolutely [TS]

  does not [TS]

  she's like the bass player from [TS]

  Metallica like no matter how long she's [TS]

  in that band she's always going to be [TS]

  the new one yeah but that's what makes [TS]

  her and Wolverines two great teams drink [TS]

  yeah whatever I I always been [TS]

  interesting how all Wolverine principal [TS]

  little girls [TS]

  yeah he's great at that he so there's [TS]

  that cover worries about to kill a [TS]

  powerpack kid when they did that [TS]

  recently they did the wolverine and the [TS]

  x-men series which which plays off of [TS]

  wolverine as actually not you know he [TS]

  doesn't want to let on because he's got [TS]

  that profits Terry to live down but he [TS]

  he is he actually is good with kids [TS]

  the thing that I think i'm a lot of like [TS]

  manly man boys miss that to me has [TS]

  become my I mean I happen to really like [TS]

  wolverine I think he's gotten a little [TS]

  lot of baggage over the years because [TS]

  people have God love him I videography [TS]

  added so much unnecessary origin stuff [TS]

  to this character was connected within [TS]

  jack has noticed that yeah well that was [TS]

  the most interesting we didn't [TS]

  understand what how the claws work we [TS]

  don't know like we don't need like you [TS]

  know but the thing is and you know it's [TS]

  funny this didn't really really hit me [TS]

  until the first x-men movie which i [TS]

  think is a really good movie but when [TS]

  when when rogue has seen him [TS]

  wielding his claws and they're sitting [TS]

  there in the pickup and they do a great [TS]

  shot with a zoom in on his hands and [TS]

  he's gripping the wheel doesn't hand and [TS]

  she and Andros says to him [TS]

  does it hurt and he says every time [TS]

  three-time loser here's here's what you [TS]

  don't know about wolverine hey this is [TS]

  the thing you can drop him from space [TS]

  and he will the social part 3 [TS]

  he will heal the particular it's gonna [TS]

  hurt so much when he hits the ground [TS]

  every time he does anything that we [TS]

  think of as like it's not like it's not [TS]

  like Superman like lifting something [TS]

  with his irate I lasers or something [TS]

  like everything he does hurts just as [TS]

  much as it would hurt you and me he [TS]

  wastes 352 he weighs 300 pounds damn and [TS]

  pain because his body is permanently [TS]

  trying to heal something that can't be [TS]

  imagine being a human scab that smokes [TS]

  that's what he'd call his entire life is [TS]

  healing something unavailable and that [TS]

  now maybe that's the 49-year old man [TS]

  because I heard that I was over [TS]

  they're my my Canadian brother i feel [TS]

  you there was i remember this issue [TS]

  where Jean Grey had to go find him [TS]

  it was like the aftermath of some battle [TS]

  or other and he decided to deal with the [TS]

  emotional fallout by going and picking [TS]

  fights in bars and she found him with [TS]

  cerebro and she got him and he had been [TS]

  i basically daring this guy to hit him [TS]

  with brass knuckles and the guy you know [TS]

  obliged and Wolverine then you know had [TS]

  to pop his I back into place and Papa [TS]

  shoulder back into place and whatever [TS]

  and then he said my turn in the guy ran [TS]

  and Jean Grey's like why are you doing [TS]

  this and he says the the answer [TS]

  basically boiled down to I don't scar I [TS]

  don't get to scar the way you guys do [TS]

  and you can look at your body and say [TS]

  this is from with this fight and this is [TS]

  from the other fight and this is from [TS]

  when you know I tripped on something [TS]

  when I was a kid so this is how I deal [TS]

  with it and I remember being very blown [TS]

  away by that because I yeah it's that [TS]

  feeling of you can do anything to him [TS]

  and he comes back and what what's what [TS]

  does that reek in in in the head that [TS]

  just makes guy interesting and I think [TS]

  he's I think Wolverines a character is a [TS]

  victim of his unpopularity that he ended [TS]

  up being you know not only I think like [TS]

  by some people for some of the wrong [TS]

  reasons and that lost some of the [TS]

  subtlety of the character but also he [TS]

  just got so popular that he was [TS]

  overexposed and they had a min a bunch [TS]

  of different books that spider-man is [TS]

  really was something on every team for [TS]

  know particularly good reason yeah you [TS]

  know that's the joke as Wolverines the [TS]

  Wolverines the loners on every team in [TS]

  the market [TS]

  yeah but you know it's just we think [TS]

  about he's ultimately so tragic because [TS]

  here is somebody who is a grown-ass man [TS]

  living in a mansion with a bunch of [TS]

  teenagers he can't get married and have [TS]

  children because that's just their there [TS]

  are no circumstances that's going to [TS]

  work for him and what I found [TS]

  interesting about the way he's been [TS]

  characterized over the years is I loved [TS]

  him in the eighties when I was a little [TS]

  girl and then a teenager because he was [TS]

  he was always the wisecracking cynic on [TS]

  the team [TS]

  um and I like the undercut the tone of [TS]

  high-minded idea [TS]

  it's part of high-minded heroes and that [TS]

  Scott Summers strove to bring to the [TS]

  proceedings and but it seems like a lot [TS]

  of the writers use them to workout [TS]

  meditations on what it means to be [TS]

  masculine in almost a decade and that [TS]

  has kind of gradually shifted over the [TS]

  years and when you see him another book [TS]

  sometimes it's fascinating [TS]

  like I love his appearance in this [TS]

  Marvel when Kamala cosmic irony fanfic [TS]

  about you and they worked together and [TS]

  he has to accept help from her and they [TS]

  take a selfie and he treats her like up [TS]

  here but he still runs interference to [TS]

  make sure that she's not on the Avengers [TS]

  Walsh while she's still a child and you [TS]

  contrast that to somebody who in the [TS]

  eighties had no problem throwing [TS]

  teenagers into battle when it was [TS]

  expedient and I think it's really [TS]

  interesting how the character has [TS]

  suddenly grown and changed and how that [TS]

  might be pointing to cultural currents [TS]

  about the the way we regard what it [TS]

  means to be manly or to be a man of [TS]

  culture too because because the Marines [TS]

  kind of Wolverines kind of marbles [TS]

  masculine fantasy the only people that [TS]

  the people the the greatest American [TS]

  filmmakers working today dealing with in [TS]

  every movie in some way dealing with [TS]

  what happens [TS]

  what does it mean to be a man in America [TS]

  and what would you do if you had [TS]

  unlimited power and money [TS]

  coen brothers coen brothers should do a [TS]

  Wolverine movie probably can't just to [TS]

  add george clooney's Wolverine I was all [TS]

  set to answer your question i'm not [TS]

  going to say Nightcrawler I'm not gonna [TS]

  say I'm gonna stick I'm gonna save and [TS]

  no this is not a draft although it's [TS]

  technically a draft i'll choose kitty [TS]

  pryde ok nite drafting fried still would [TS]

  be on board because there's no board as [TS]

  it's not a draft thank you shooting and [TS]

  she would also phase through the board [TS]

  thank you she would she would but she's [TS]

  not she's not going down with those [TS]

  x-babies Celine Dion favorite x-men [TS]

  character or two [TS]

  well it's a good thing you pick me next [TS]

  because I know he's going soon it has to [TS]

  be Nightcrawler alright it's not a draft [TS]

  he's not going anywhere but alright why [TS]

  our group of the x-men he's so talented [TS]

  and so underrated it's a draft Jason [TS]

  making a dress alessi teleports there [TS]

  with a pup with puffs of brimstone and [TS]

  ab amp yes [TS]

  ok so as a fellow Jewish girl from [TS]

  suburban Chicago kitty bride was my [TS]

  identity character but as far as [TS]

  who i thought the most interesting and [TS]

  compelling person in the x-men was it [TS]

  will absolutely had to be Nightcrawler [TS]

  and to me he sort of was the [TS]

  personification of what the x-men were [TS]

  about in that you have this guy who has [TS]

  every reason to be a mopey loner hating [TS]

  the world and instead he is this [TS]

  delightful sweetheart of a guy who loves [TS]

  to watch old films and fences and is [TS]

  religious in a way that very few comic [TS]

  book characters that I was sort of [TS]

  exposed to then or I don't know about [TS]

  now but goodness like a devout Catholic [TS]

  like is that done you know in in comic [TS]

  books and actually treated with with you [TS]

  know some degree sometimes some degree [TS]

  of tastefulness we won't talk about when [TS]

  they're not fighting my fist oh oh god [TS]

  but and at the same time like you know [TS]

  in people called him a double people [TS]

  called him you know like the agent of [TS]

  satan and people you know literal town's [TS]

  folk with pitchforks and torches came [TS]

  after this guy and he managed not to let [TS]

  it like Colonel his soul and is a very [TS]

  fun person and you know very sensitive [TS]

  and thoughtful person and just always [TS]

  drove to be his best and I feel the way [TS]

  about him the way i think a lot of [TS]

  people feel about spider-man which is [TS]

  like I hope that I would be that person [TS]

  in that situation and it doesn't hurt [TS]

  that he's cute [TS]

  I'll end it with that I fuzzy elf is a [TS]

  great case such a great character also [TS]

  I'll that's the first German I ever [TS]

  learned where the first Russian quite [TS]

  frankly to where the thing [TS]

  because as I think Monty has pointed out [TS]

  before the way chris claremont road all [TS]

  the dialogue is these people speak [TS]

  english except occasionally they will [TS]

  drop in one or two words of their native [TS]

  language just for flavor really [TS]

  occasionally meaning once every other [TS]

  page never learned what the White Wolf [TS]

  is anyone even know what what is there a [TS]

  particular white wolf that Colossus is [TS]

  always talking about her so just any [TS]

  random white wolf that happens to show [TS]

  up for going to get your writer was [TS]

  insane to Peter and the wolf it's [TS]

  important just decided that surely him i [TS]

  could say well I learned most of my [TS]

  French mall share about you can but I [TS]

  monte and the waterfall oxygen with my [TS]

  see it Monty do you have to have a a [TS]

  favorite x-men or two that you would [TS]

  like to mention i have a bizarre [TS]

  fondness for proto gambit longshot [TS]

  longshot are we just talking about [TS]

  mullets god yeah and i can report that [TS]

  according to wikipedia when they besides [TS]

  longshots costume they decided why why [TS]

  does somebody always have something to [TS]

  throw [TS]

  we better put some pouches on his outfit [TS]

  and that's where all the poachers in the [TS]

  nineties came from [TS]

  I just I just learned the official name [TS]

  a few weeks ago is only a few weeks ago [TS]

  so that we can somebody some kind of [TS]

  lame reference so i want to get that [TS]

  lame reference correct i learned the [TS]

  official title for long shots power and [TS]

  I just a decision today i really wish i [TS]

  had probability manipulation [TS]

  yeah maybe that would be really i could [TS]

  really use that which is weird because [TS]

  that was kind of scarlet witch's at [TS]

  scarlet was initially heard that was her [TS]

  friend our you exactly but then she has [TS]

  universe shuttering magic powers instead [TS]

  yeah yeah what can I say one that's not [TS]

  an x-man but was a new Mutant yeah mute [TS]

  mute ensure all mute and surveillance [TS]

  men [TS]

  oh my yes I'd sorry much baby unit were [TS]

  okay this is not actually a mutant but i [TS]

  really like warlock I was going to [TS]

  mention warlock Monty i actually was [TS]

  going to mention Morlock he's not even [TS]

  really a mutant iza he's an alien react [TS]

  no alien who comes and meets the new [TS]

  mutants that Doug know doug is cipher [TS]

  time for the world who could talk to [TS]

  warlock because Doug [TS]

  a lot merge later become double lock yes [TS]

  oh that's where i'm getting ok ok [TS]

  there's a great i think New Mutants [TS]

  annual warlock and impossible man have a [TS]

  contest to see who can beat the other in [TS]

  becoming ridiculous things and it ends [TS]

  up with impossible man can't change [TS]

  colors but more like a so there it's [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  no warlock looks great yeah I love him [TS]

  not actually mean [TS]

  so I'm gonna say storm oh yeah mostly [TS]

  because she was able to lead the team [TS]

  even when she didn't have powers in [TS]

  probably my favorite sequence where she [TS]

  had a contest with Cyclops in the Danger [TS]

  Room and she won the even though he had [TS]

  powers and she didn't I think storm has [TS]

  a great look when she gets the really [TS]

  tall mohawk [TS]

  yeah i like both her looks I like that I [TS]

  like her punk rock from Mohawk phase and [TS]

  i also like her like big white hair and [TS]

  the long flowy cloak kind of kind of I [TS]

  think they're both really cool and she [TS]

  was a good leader [TS]

  I also think it shows she proved that [TS]

  you cannot be the leader of the x-men [TS]

  and not be totally boring like Cyclops [TS]

  so they're all my favorite bigger xmen [TS]

  she has a great background to in that [TS]

  instead of you know having rocks thrown [TS]

  at her and Ali she was I goddess [TS]

  yeah but she left that to come fight [TS]

  evildoers anyway [TS]

  good for her Lisa do you have a do you [TS]

  have a favorite x-men or x-men i feel [TS]

  like can you practice the phil hartman [TS]

  everybody is gonna everybody good [TS]

  everybody gets no and because she is my [TS]

  favorite she is she's like a hundred [TS]

  percent and again it's because I began [TS]

  reading it right before I went to middle [TS]

  school and you know when you're that age [TS]

  and you're just entering adolescence you [TS]

  almost instinctively looking characters [TS]

  are just a few years older than you are [TS]

  because they're more relatable their [TS]

  kind of you want to be and so Kitty i [TS]

  always use a contemporary and could [TS]

  empathize acutely with with almost any [TS]

  any storyline that she had and I locked [TS]

  her and so she's my number one with a [TS]

  bullet that said I have a real soft spot [TS]

  for both karma and Mirage who were [TS]

  introduced in the new mutants and I like [TS]

  them precisely because they were both of [TS]

  them were sort of force [TS]

  sort of forced into the team as older [TS]

  teenagers as opposed to you know being a [TS]

  little kitty there but there are newer [TS]

  to the mutant games that makes it [TS]

  interesting because they were you know [TS]

  incident having the experience kitty [TS]

  have they have they have a different set [TS]

  of experience with the midfielder yet [TS]

  less experienced otherwise they both [TS]

  lost their parents and had to grow up [TS]

  too fast and they brought some gravitas [TS]

  to a good pops he can see and they have [TS]

  some of the most interesting stories um [TS]

  karma gets kidnapped very early on in [TS]

  the series run I I'm but I it like long [TS]

  story short he's this telepathic [TS]

  telepathic despot who takes her body [TS]

  binge eating it constantly until she's [TS]

  like 400 pounds when she's finally [TS]

  rescued she's stranded in a desert on a [TS]

  different dimension and wanders around [TS]

  to all the way it falls off and she's in [TS]

  the key [TS]

  he seems really which seems really dumb [TS]

  except the whole time you know she's [TS]

  really struggling to choose out of shape [TS]

  and she's being held hostage in a body [TS]

  that is hideous an alien tour because [TS]

  it's out of our control and again it's a [TS]

  great metaphor for adolescents yeah um [TS]

  and then a mirage Danielle Moonstar has [TS]

  of course the iconic demon Barry saga [TS]

  story in The New Mutants which is when [TS]

  what and like the big seem as though you [TS]

  have to confront the things you fear [TS]

  because once you take them apart you [TS]

  figure out who you are it's rewarding [TS]

  and the more shallow superficial thing [TS]

  is Magic turn her parents into a bear [TS]

  both of them into one bear and she has [TS]

  to fix it but I'm what I liked about [TS]

  them is as they you know progressed over [TS]

  the next 30 years when you think about [TS]

  it they're not there they they've come [TS]

  back and become administrators the [TS]

  school may become instructors may become [TS]

  mentors and they've built solid teams [TS]

  and all sorts of experiences and they [TS]

  haven't gone full bore cool like some [TS]

  other x-men because you have to admit [TS]

  that like every once in awhile [TS]

  excellent will go off the reservation [TS]

  spectacularly like just complete utter [TS]

  lunacy and and that hasn't happened with [TS]

  them yet and i like that you've got [TS]

  these people who are pretty even-keeled [TS]

  about things they've been punched [TS]

  they've been punched by life a few times [TS]

  but they just kind of go and you know [TS]

  lean on their friends for a bit and then [TS]

  get out and get the job done [TS]

  like I I found that really admirable [TS]

  that as a very young woman and I like it [TS]

  now too [TS]

  let's see what are we what are we [TS]

  missing out there I I mean kitty pryde [TS]

  was going to be what I talk about her [TS]

  then I was gonna mention Nightcrawler I [TS]

  i actually was gonna throw out a warlock [TS]

  because because he was pretty cool left [TS]

  hand so i don't know i don't know what I [TS]

  don't know who's left to choose I when I [TS]

  i guess i'll throw out ileana rescued [TS]

  magic because i think that she started [TS]

  out as a it's a just a fascinating story [TS]

  turn with her where she's this little [TS]

  girl she's Peter Rasputin's little [TS]

  little sister and in the course of what [TS]

  one panel she goes from being kidnapped [TS]

  and sent to Limbo right and she and she [TS]

  comes back as a teenager and and from [TS]

  time all this time has passed in a blink [TS]

  of an eye and then we they spend their [TS]

  time throwing up a story of what [TS]

  happened to her to make her into a [TS]

  teenager over that time and it turns out [TS]

  it was you know as you might expect from [TS]

  being in a Hell dimension it was kind of [TS]

  awful but she also has like a really [TS]

  cool sword and teleportation powers so [TS]

  she ends up being a a keep a key player [TS]

  in in the x-men not going forward i was [TS]

  just reading a bunch of x-men issues uh [TS]

  recently in the in the Scott Summers has [TS]

  a big x over his face and is a is sort [TS]

  of feeling the magneto role and she's [TS]

  she's pretty great in that too and she [TS]

  still has kept her friendship with kitty [TS]

  which I really like to then they're both [TS]

  adults now and the relationship although [TS]

  it has changed is still kind of [TS]

  delightful and in that it's it's solid [TS]

  no matter you know what water is under [TS]

  the bridge between Kitty and her and [TS]

  Leon is a brother for Kitty Pryde her [TS]

  habit of dating men named Peter yeah [TS]

  well just sighed people in comic books [TS]

  do not learn i do love the idea that [TS]

  they can take Kitty Pryde and and try [TS]

  out some other storylines like putting [TS]

  her in the guardians of the galaxy I [TS]

  think that's really great and fun to do [TS]

  that i just found out about the [TS]

  development recently and it was like in [TS]

  the middle of a barnes and noble just [TS]

  you know going through the various [TS]

  trades and I saw like keep ride and you [TS]

  know Peter whatever I forget it's like [TS]

  well i love peter will in guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy and the two of them like [TS]

  kissing in space and i nearly I I like [TS]

  merely squealed out loud because it was [TS]

  it was again that feeling of like a [TS]

  friend of yours from long ago that you [TS]

  just discovered like monkeys in space no [TS]

  Oh kitties face and she's with Peter [TS]

  Quillin oh my god that's so awesome like [TS]

  I wanted to send her a congrats card [TS]

  like it was just it was just the most [TS]

  awesome development [TS]

  I don't know where as far as I was [TS]

  concerned that's how I felt when I found [TS]

  out she was a professor at the school [TS]

  the first time I was like oh good for [TS]

  her good thing she had in her [TS]

  it's when Sean Quinn man karma becomes a [TS]

  lot of library at the University Chicago [TS]

  I'm like not bad university happens a [TS]

  great school lightweight know that it's [TS]

  gonna do it they also put in a word is [TS]

  not a draft I'll put in a word for Jean [TS]

  Grey although I would actually say that [TS]

  I think Jean Grey has gotten way more [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  retro actively then she was in the [TS]

  original x-men and certainly even during [TS]

  the the Dark Phoenix saga it was very [TS]

  much like oh I you know know I've I'm [TS]

  out of control and she turns evil person [TS]

  a lot of 19 late 1970s 1980s plots [TS]

  revolving around female excellent female [TS]

  maybe this could all be seen as like a [TS]

  body horror / r8 metaphor yeah because [TS]

  it's always some poor woman getting [TS]

  something done to her body that she had [TS]

  said that she can't consent to she's [TS]

  powerless to stop and just live with the [TS]

  repercussions of so one of the clever [TS]

  things that has happened in the x-men [TS]

  recently is brian michael bendis did a [TS]

  run of the all-new x-men which the [TS]

  premise of which is totally nuts which [TS]

  is the original x-men are brought [TS]

  forward in time to see what's happened [TS]

  in the marvel universe since they and [TS]

  and and one of the things that I think [TS]

  is really great about it is as a written [TS]

  by Bendis Jean Grey who is immediately [TS]

  brought to a school that's named after [TS]

  her because she's dead [TS]

  you know is she becomes a really [TS]

  interesting character she doesn't have [TS]

  most of her powers yet there yet to come [TS]

  and she's dealing with all of the [TS]

  expectations that surround her because [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  finally finding out what she does it in [TS]

  and uh it's really kind of great and [TS]

  that that has made me rich r actively [TS]

  like gene green all gray a whole lot [TS]

  more [TS]

  I also like the fact that they that they [TS]

  didn't like send them back in time after [TS]

  six issues instead they basically said [TS]

  well no you're here to stay this is you [TS]

  know you've you know we split off from [TS]

  your timeline and you're just going to [TS]

  beat your younger selves are going to be [TS]

  here with your old ourselves and you're [TS]

  just going to have to deal with it and I [TS]

  kind of love that too so that was a [TS]

  kind of love that too so that was a [TS]

  really nice weird take on the x-men that [TS]

  I I feel like rehab Jane Jim Gray as a [TS]

  character a lot [TS]

  weirdly enough the ultimate x-men [TS]

  actually rehab jean kerr crazy character [TS]

  for me I g the well it's really cool [TS]

  that they could put a gene and storm and [TS]

  Kitty and Cyclops and Iceman they're all [TS]

  on the same they're all the same age and [TS]

  ultimate x-men so Kitty is one is on the [TS]

  team with a bunch of other x-men but [TS]

  they're all the same age which is a lot [TS]

  of fun and Kitty dates spider-man for a [TS]

  while [TS]

  it's fun yeah and so it's you know the [TS]

  but i think the quality of ultimate [TS]

  x-men goes up and down depending on his [TS]

  writing it [TS]

  um but there's there's a lot notes [TS]

  there's a lot of it's really charming [TS]

  like there's one issue where there's [TS]

  just the panel where you walk by you see [TS]

  that Scott Summers was on the phone with [TS]

  toad who has become good friends with [TS]

  despite the family go to different [TS]

  schools okay and just the fact that he's [TS]

  on the phone talking with toad and just [TS]

  jibber jabbering away is it's it's the [TS]

  most I've ever like Scott Summers [TS]

  speaking of jean grey and Scott Summers [TS]

  i cannot remember what Marvel writer [TS]

  this was but every time i hear the name [TS]

  Jean Grey I think of a Marvel writer at [TS]

  a san diego comic-con panel in probably [TS]

  87 or 88 doing an imitation of Scott [TS]

  Summers that went like this and graze [TS]

  dead again my eye [TS]

  ideally you would see the gesture we're [TS]

  with the owl you put your fists up to [TS]

  your eye and pull it out what you're [TS]

  playing for the term I'm a leader I [TS]

  leave that one of the things that [TS]

  happens with a lot of these things [TS]

  because it became so popular is finely [TS]

  marbled got the idea we need to do more [TS]

  of these they did a Wolverine miniseries [TS]

  they started the new mutants and then [TS]

  just as I was sort of getting out of [TS]

  comics for 4 15 years there was an [TS]

  explosion of new you know you get your [TS]

  ex factors in your ex calibers and all [TS]

  of that and I don't know if anybody has [TS]

  particular favorites in the spin-offs i [TS]

  will when i will mention one of mine [TS]

  I mean already mentioned the relatively [TS]

  recently the all-new x-men which is [TS]

  ironically the old x-men but now they're [TS]

  big [TS]

  anyway i want to mention exiles because [TS]

  i read all of exiles and i and i love it [TS]

  and the premise of exiles is its x-men [TS]

  from all across multiple realities to [TS]

  form a parallel universe [TS]

  sort of like x-men team that has to go [TS]

  from parallel universe to parallel [TS]

  universe correcting I guess righting [TS]

  wrongs in parallel universes or [TS]

  something like that the premise is [TS]

  fine-tuned over time but huge amount of [TS]

  fun and and they were able to cycle [TS]

  through a lot of different alternate [TS]

  versions of characters as they went and [TS]

  kill people off because it was parallel [TS]

  universes there were always more with [TS]

  that where that came from essentially [TS]

  and it was a pretty great pretty great [TS]

  comic the first I mean I think they did [TS]

  a hundred issues of the first volume and [TS]

  i love that one a lot and it was you [TS]

  know technically an x-men comic but [TS]

  because it has an X in the X was bigger [TS]

  even though it's called exile TX was a [TS]

  large know what you know that it was [TS]

  x-men you can't spell exiles without the [TS]

  accent would just be miles anyway i [TS]

  like-like exiles like it so I'm gonna [TS]

  throw that out there any other spin-offs [TS]

  that does come to mind I'll of X Factor [TS]

  investigations is written by peter david [TS]

  especially the first 50 issues herself [TS]

  so that's x-men detective agency [TS]

  well the premises is Magic jamie madrox [TS]

  multiple man decides that he's not [TS]

  really cut out for fighting and being an [TS]

  x-men he's seen too much is to discuss [TS]

  the bai at all [TS]

  he's he's he's got a little bit of a [TS]

  Philip Marlowe streak in him or a little [TS]

  bit of a raincheck he's a little bit [TS]

  Raymond Chandler risk and at the start [TS]

  of X Factor investigations you find out [TS]

  that what he's done is he's he created a [TS]

  bunch of dupes sent them out to do [TS]

  different things and learn as much about [TS]

  the world as possible because he wanted [TS]

  gain a greater understanding of the [TS]

  world around him and yes he does solve [TS]

  crimes for mutants or mutilated that he [TS]

  solves cases for mutants or meet related [TS]

  cases and his detective agency attracts [TS]

  a couple other people who also want [TS]

  nothing to do with with being a [TS]

  professional accidentally Morsi it's [TS]

  raining Sinclair who is will spain one [TS]

  of the new mutants who has been having a [TS]

  hard time with the whole thing and had [TS]

  to leave Xavier Academy and disgrace and [TS]

  he gets from your standard quota generic [TS]

  dump that [TS]

  guy named guido who is actually quite [TS]

  funny and quite good at being you know [TS]

  and he gets amazing la who was again had [TS]

  a really weird tortured backstory [TS]

  towards the end of the mutants and into [TS]

  some of the other x-men spin-offs word [TS]

  it involves like secret autistic twins [TS]

  and a sadistic brother in another [TS]

  dimension and it just gets weird and [TS]

  incoherent and just anyway she's she's [TS]

  one of Marvel's classic you know drops [TS]

  draw bitchy one-liners and is [TS]

  conveniently very very psychic then it [TS]

  also has daughter banshees siren and / [TS]

  the quick so it's kind of volatile [TS]

  ensemble because you've got some people [TS]

  who are seen as legacy character some [TS]

  people have always been made to feel as [TS]

  johnny-come-lately needs some people who [TS]

  have felt forcibly exiled from the [TS]

  clinicians of the x-men and they deal [TS]

  with mutant culture and general culture [TS]

  at large and they also have to hunt down [TS]

  some Maddox Matt Jamie's more [TS]

  recalcitrant duplicates who don't want [TS]

  to be reabsorbed and assimilated [TS]

  Wow from early on but really all the way [TS]

  through these elements of the x-men arcs [TS]

  that are very much like a soap opera and [TS]

  you know especially a lot of the state [TS]

  you know a lot of stuff in the late [TS]

  seventies very much especially with [TS]

  Scott jeans god woman like that get free [TS]

  so but you know happen to love that I'm [TS]

  staying out of this cuz I don't causing [TS]

  trouble but i will say that i love is it [TS]

  in every one of these some of my [TS]

  favorite things with the reboots you [TS]

  know well Mabel model of time to get to [TS]

  things like new x-men astonishing x-men [TS]

  but what I love about all of those is [TS]

  that sense of family for better or for [TS]

  worse and there yet there are bits there [TS]

  are what could in some contexts be a [TS]

  cliche but like when you haven't seen [TS]

  the fastball special in awhile and [TS]

  fastball special you pump your fist [TS]

  because that's been around forever or [TS]

  you see you know in in the same way that [TS]

  like you know what like Johnny and Ben [TS]

  are always going after each other [TS]

  fantastic for these little these little [TS]

  back-and-forth and you get the feeling [TS]

  that there's it's almost a little bit [TS]

  like The Sopranos where one reason a [TS]

  good show with a big caskets good game [TS]

  of thrones Sopranos whatever anything HP [TS]

  I guess is next time you stop thinking [TS]

  about how the world revolves around the [TS]

  main guy in the main girl you get very [TS]

  interested in going to who [TS]

  like what's gonna happen this week [TS]

  between the two soprano kids in that [TS]

  relationship you don't mean in this case [TS]

  like what there's there's always there's [TS]

  warmth there's tension and there's an [TS]

  innumerable number of longtime [TS]

  storylines that can have a lot of can be [TS]

  very moving and kind of heart-tugging [TS]

  overtime so and I don't know again a [TS]

  full-time talk about astonishing x-men [TS]

  but that's where there's just pay off [TS]

  after payoff of like stuff that's been [TS]

  going on for years where you can use [TS]

  hint at these things that happen you [TS]

  know almost 20 years ago that can still [TS]

  be very resonant 4 ppm and they had [TS]

  something like joss whedon Peter bring [TS]

  out a lot of what you people call the [TS]

  fields when they brought joss whedon [TS]

  into right astonishing x-men 2004 right [TS]

  i mean his x-men that he loved and knew [TS]

  was very much the x-men from the abs and [TS]

  so it's very rare that you end up with [TS]

  this like hey everybody here's a sequel [TS]

  to the x-men that you like from ya from [TS]

  20 years ago that point but from [TS]

  somebody who really gets yeah oh yeah [TS]

  exactly i call it wasn't his it wasn't [TS]

  his deal breaker he he said I have to [TS]

  have kitty pryde you have to give me [TS]

  kitty pryde yeah yeah I believe that was [TS]

  one of the things and was not surprising [TS]

  because he's cited her so often as an [TS]

  influence for buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

  sure I started like the idea that the [TS]

  theme of this podcast has been the kitty [TS]

  practice pretty much the engine of the [TS]

  expo [TS]

  yes I think people somebody else I [TS]

  different podcast would say that it was [TS]

  it was a Wolverine but that's not this [TS]

  podcast it's it's sort of a shame she [TS]

  never broke out but maybe that's good [TS]

  maybe that's when we have her and she's [TS]

  our girl she's everywhere though right [TS]

  I'm a little surprised that she hasn't [TS]

  been prominently featured in an x-men [TS]

  movie yet but she's always kind of on [TS]

  the side while they kind of messed that [TS]

  up by taking her personality and putting [TS]

  it on road i do see but how do you back [TS]

  out of that exactly [TS]

  yeah somebody in the chat room is asking [TS]

  i think this was a this is what I wanted [TS]

  to sort of end on is if you could [TS]

  recommend something for people to read [TS]

  that too you know because one of the [TS]

  challenges I found in going back to a [TS]

  lot of the classic so-called classic [TS]

  x-men from the eighties is the way it's [TS]

  written it's so impenetrable because it [TS]

  is written like a soap opera where [TS]

  there's never a very clear into any [TS]

  story everything is always sort of [TS]

  multi-threaded and it's very hard to [TS]

  pull any of it apart to get to the [TS]

  beginning of the story and each issue is [TS]

  just like it's like an episode of Game [TS]

  of Thrones basically where there's like [TS]

  five different things going on all at [TS]

  different points and it's very hard to [TS]

  tell what what we're where you are so [TS]

  it's more than a lot of the other comics [TS]

  of that era I thought you know chris [TS]

  claremont definitely had a flowchart [TS]

  somewhere about what he was doing so I [TS]

  what I want to ask is it to anybody have [TS]

  any any things that you would recommend [TS]

  as things that people could read if this [TS]

  if this episode makes them want to get [TS]

  it try out or get back into the x-men we [TS]

  mentioned Joss Whedon's run on [TS]

  astonishing x-men which i think is [TS]

  pretty accessible i mentioned exiles and [TS]

  I mentioned businesses all-new x-men [TS]

  which i think is kind of fun [TS]

  what else are there are there other [TS]

  things out there that we we might do [TS]

  suggest people i'm gonna be hard for [TS]

  Newton's classic I was that's where i [TS]

  was going to go to starting with New [TS]

  Mutants number 26 specifically yeah [TS]

  which is where bilson cabbage is making [TS]

  the art crazy and amazing with Walker [TS]

  isn't well I don't know you could just [TS]

  started number one you're gonna get [TS]

  you're gonna meet the entire team and [TS]

  now and the great the reason i would [TS]

  recommend actually start at the [TS]

  beginning and going all the way through [TS]

  is because this book works as a great [TS]

  entry into the X universe because it has [TS]

  you introduced two different x-men and [TS]

  the whole premise of this of the whole [TS]

  premise and everybody in the whole [TS]

  universe everybody it through the eyes [TS]

  of people have gotten thrown into it [TS]

  just like the reader but you're right [TS]

  Monty it gets it gets super it gets [TS]

  super goes from being really [TS]

  conventional to be extremely weird right [TS]

  and 26 is for me where the height of the [TS]

  weirdest starts because that's where the [TS]

  multi-issue storyline of Legion had [TS]

  oh god professor X's son has every [TS]

  mutant power but he he also has every [TS]

  personality so every mutant power is [TS]

  headed by every purchase a different [TS]

  personality people have to go into his [TS]

  minded it is crazy and amazing soon to [TS]

  be an FX television series [TS]

  ok lol anyway by the way uh in Deadpool [TS]

  you briefly see that negasonic teenage [TS]

  warhead is wearing a new mutants uniform [TS]

  instead of an x-men uniform and I think [TS]

  that's awesome [TS]

  yes teenage i think i would suggest um [TS]

  uh days the the original days of future [TS]

  past [TS]

  yeah maybe one and I know that it's one [TS]

  of those things where instance is an [TS]

  alternate reality and it's in you know [TS]

  like a future that the may or may not [TS]

  happen and you see everyone sort of sped [TS]

  up and half the in the in you know the [TS]

  older older cells and your kitty pryde [TS]

  is now like a grown woman [TS]

  it's one of those things where you end [TS]

  up sort of reverse engineering reality [TS]

  from what's presented as a very dramatic [TS]

  alternate reality or a possible future [TS]

  but it set up so much of the tone I feel [TS]

  like of what came after at least in the [TS]

  nineties that I saw of you know that [TS]

  with the Sentinels in the just this [TS]

  feeling of being hunted that you know it [TS]

  just sort of accelerated all of that and [TS]

  I felt I remember feeling that it was [TS]

  more mature than a lot of the stuff that [TS]

  i had read until then and that it just [TS]

  was a very it ended up you know it so [TS]

  much so much i sort of flown off it over [TS]

  the years that it it feels like a [TS]

  seminal event so that's that's we issued [TS]

  141 and 142 of smack dab in the middle [TS]

  of the john byrne chris claremont air [TS]

  yeah if you want to be specific 190 when [TS]

  i looked it up i looked up that was [TS]

  super influential that that whole yeah [TS]

  the burn the burn [TS]

  I think most people would say the hover [TS]

  super play John [TS]

  turn chris claremont run in uncanny [TS]

  x-men is is probably considered by [TS]

  comics needs to be the definitive set of [TS]

  issues and that includes the Dark [TS]

  Phoenix story and days of future past so [TS]

  but it's also a comic from the 19 from [TS]

  1981 so you have to come to get Union [TS]

  mindset that I was flipping through the [TS]

  giant hardback that Merlin mentioned [TS]

  earlier because i also have it Wolverine [TS]

  sure called storm abroad a lot [TS]

  he's on pc Syrian kid pushes the archie [TS]

  bunker in my beloved uncanny x-men [TS]

  annual number 5 storm actually snaps [TS]

  back at him that he you know that he [TS]

  wouldn't no tact if it came up and beat [TS]

  him over the head [TS]

  it's a lovely moment it's a special time [TS]

  in any girl's life when they when they [TS]

  transition from being a pumpkin to be in [TS]

  abroad in the Marines I sweet such as [TS]

  much quisiera some-some my lives are [TS]

  some cultures have a big felt like a [TS]

  party to mark about that day when they [TS]

  smashed the puzzle college you know [TS]

  that's how smashing pumpkins that's sure [TS]

  it's the right turns out turns out I i [TS]

  am you know III there's part of me that [TS]

  you know what's the point people back to [TS]

  giant-size x-men just because i have a [TS]

  lot of affinity for that but i gotta to [TS]

  that are super obvious because i do not [TS]

  have the deep catalog which all have I [TS]

  gotta say astonishing x-men gifted the [TS]

  just Whedon and is jon cassidy yeah one [TS]

  that's me is like the prisoner of [TS]

  azkaban of x-men that's the one where [TS]

  you know no matter if you if you've [TS]

  never like had a lick of this stuff if [TS]

  you if you're totally new to this [TS]

  it's surprisingly gettable fairly [TS]

  quickly if you're super confused there [TS]

  are resources figure for figuring it out [TS]

  but like there's great storytelling in [TS]

  that where you don't need to know that [TS]

  that much when when when Wolverine shows [TS]

  up you get that he and Scott have a past [TS]

  having to do with Jean you do not need [TS]

  wikipedia to figure that out you will [TS]

  figure that out but astonishing x-men [TS]

  has a better so again like prisoner of [TS]

  azkaban which i consider the best of the [TS]

  books and movies Harry Potter um it's [TS]

  one where like if you if you are into [TS]

  its extreme [TS]

  only satisfying it's kind of right in [TS]

  the pocket it's not it's not too it's [TS]

  not too simple [TS]

  it's not too complicated but astonishing [TS]

  accident but if you stick with it [TS]

  through all the volumes you'll get to [TS]

  some very you'll really get that even if [TS]

  you haven't been with x-men for long [TS]

  you're going to get super attached to [TS]

  these characters and their their their [TS]

  wonderful skills are on full display [TS]

  you know and by the end of the other one [TS]

  is like it's coming from the other angle [TS]

  if you're somebody who's like oh yeah [TS]

  i've read a couple image titles and I [TS]

  don't like superheroes i'm just going to [TS]

  say try new x-men you'll actually I [TS]

  think you'll appreciate astonishing [TS]

  x-men a lot more if you have read new [TS]

  x-men new x-men is really really weird [TS]

  and I think you know grant morrison has [TS]

  tractors for apparently very good [TS]

  reasons and rioted saviors storyline all [TS]

  it's so good [TS]

  the stuff with the don't spoil anything [TS]

  but some some really creative pretty [TS]

  hallucinogenic there's one issue very [TS]

  famous issues currently on my iPad lock [TS]

  screen with it is done i think it has [TS]

  maybe one dialogue balloons in the [TS]

  entire thing it's done completely with [TS]

  the most hallucinogenic mainstream comic [TS]

  art you're likely to see but very well [TS]

  execute crazy amounts of like super [TS]

  string storytelling and also very [TS]

  important that if it matters to you [TS]

  I think this might be where I feel like [TS]

  this is where Emma like first starts [TS]

  really helping out she realizes there's [TS]

  some stuff for she has unique skills [TS]

  that could really help people [TS]

  this is when I think this is one point [TS]

  when she really becomes part of the team [TS]

  and it's also guys was hugely into vegas [TS]

  alongside Ultimates but very influential [TS]

  on the movie so if you like the the [TS]

  leather boy uniforms and those movies [TS]

  you like these but i thought was great i [TS]

  thought it was a nice development of all [TS]

  the characters over x the new x-men by [TS]

  Grant Morrison and mostly frank quitely [TS]

  and then but the primary 1i can say [TS]

  without reservation is start with [TS]

  astonishing x-men gifted with the just [TS]

  Whedon and John Cassady yeah i totally [TS]

  agree on new x-men 2 i loved i also love [TS]

  the introduction of new characters in [TS]

  new x-men i love the separate cookies [TS]

  oh yeah all god that's great it's the [TS]

  hivemind to hive mind uh it's Emma Frost [TS]

  is mine [TS]

  hivemind babies yeah yeah because we [TS]

  find out later that they were they were [TS]

  closed without her consent and [TS]

  permission or knowledge and that there's [TS]

  there's originally there's five of them [TS]

  and they're they're mean girls and their [TS]

  delightful it's if these are series that [TS]

  i did not even know existed and now i'm [TS]

  just-just feeling my money just run out [TS]

  of my wallet [TS]

  do you know are all these available / um [TS]

  which is a marvel yes I was going to [TS]

  mention if you really want to dive into [TS]

  the x-men the best way to do it is to [TS]

  get Marvel a minute [TS]

  it's such a bargain such a party yeah it [TS]

  is so if you're if you are thinking of [TS]

  doing a deep dive marvel unlimited you [TS]

  can you it's ten dollars a month so if [TS]

  you want to just try it for a month for [TS]

  ten dollars you get access to as many [TS]

  issues as you can read in the month for [TS]

  ten dollars and if if you're at all [TS]

  intrigued by it i believe it's sixty [TS]

  nine dollars a year but i will tell you [TS]

  reading sixty nine dollars worth of new [TS]

  comics will take you like a half an hour [TS]

  so if you use a if you use it at all the [TS]

  yearly i use the yearly plan for that [TS]

  and it's a great deal because if i read [TS]

  like 15 comics I've basically paid for a [TS]

  year and then I've got the rest of the [TS]

  year to read even more comics but [TS]

  certainly it's a great deal at ten [TS]

  dollars if you want to dive back into [TS]

  the x-men archive because most of this [TS]

  stuff is there [TS]

  i do recommend having a tablet because [TS]

  it feels right it's the right side yes [TS]

  yeah i agree i love reading it on my [TS]

  iPad but one thing I feel like I want to [TS]

  stipulate for myself you know if you [TS]

  want to get all John syracuse about this [TS]

  yes you absolutely can go back and read [TS]

  from 1963 [TS]

  I'm gonna say don't there's a good let's [TS]

  call it 12 years of x-men you could read [TS]

  it there's lots of great stuff you get [TS]

  to learn about you know you learn about [TS]

  magneto you get to learn about you know [TS]

  all kinds of stuff like your don't feel [TS]

  like you have to read is don't feel like [TS]

  you have to rely didn't mention even [TS]

  like even if you want to start at the [TS]

  beginning of the x-men is such a [TS]

  tortured history it was the wikipedia [TS]

  article says and I don't know if this is [TS]

  actually true but in knowing what I know [TS]

  about the early days of Marvel Comics I [TS]

  believe it that the x-men was invented [TS]

  because Stanley was tired of it [TS]

  finding new origins for characters and [TS]

  it's AP and they were born with it yeah [TS]

  that's it haha excels regardless which [TS]

  it was it was the weakest of all of the [TS]

  you think of the core more the reason [TS]

  people in the eighties had never heard [TS]

  of the x-men was because the x-men was [TS]

  the flop of all of those Stanley Jack [TS]

  Kirby comics made in the sixties and [TS]

  then it went into rerun it had actual [TS]

  reruns in their issues by they were [TS]

  buying monthly and they were doing [TS]

  reprints at to keep it in print but it [TS]

  was basically they wouldn't even invest [TS]

  any time it or and money and making new [TS]

  stories and then if you must be a [TS]

  completist i would say then what what [TS]

  happened was they did giant-size x-men [TS]

  number one and then that led to the [TS]

  revival of uncanny x-men that's when the [TS]

  new x-men were introduced and and those [TS]

  are the ones that we know that's your [TS]

  Wolverine Nightcrawler storm era it's [TS]

  it's a it's a it's there so that is in [TS]

  many ways where it started off in [TS]

  reading those old issues on Marvel [TS]

  unlimited is hilarious because you you [TS]

  see her for quite a while they were [TS]

  still bimonthly so it was a low-priority [TS]

  comic but at least it existed and then [TS]

  there's the period where it rapidly [TS]

  accelerates into becoming a phenomenon [TS]

  and you can you can see it happen [TS]

  whether we're going to be monthly now [TS]

  and and it became a priority for Marvel [TS]

  and as it as it became more popular but [TS]

  it was not it was a slow burn with the [TS]

  x-men it took a good 15 years for it to [TS]

  really catch on [TS]

  alright well we should probably wrap it [TS]

  up this has been a great delving into [TS]

  into into mutant kind and I'm sure we'll [TS]

  do it what we did with all those other [TS]

  old episodes of the uncomfortable which [TS]

  is come back and revisit this in other [TS]

  ways in the future because it's such a [TS]

  huge subject to tackle in in one go but [TS]

  it was nice to have a little little [TS]

  little primer little start starting [TS]

  point for mutants i would like to thank [TS]

  my guess [TS]

  Marlon man it's always a pleasure to [TS]

  have you on thanks for being here [TS]

  snacked are we all gonna do sound [TS]

  effects because that could happen my PhD [TS]

  thank you for being here [TS]

  I was gonna go with Lee Chin myself part [TS]

  of reh know [TS]

  that's the wrong and wrong language holy [TS]

  record thank you so much for being here [TS]

  dance yeah it was a sound effects draft [TS]

  now at least one serves in here Lisa [TS]

  speiser thank you so much you're welcome [TS]

  I don't sound effects smiling face him [TS]

  facing through a door that and i have [TS]

  been your host Jason cell thanks to [TS]

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