The Incomparable

52: A Cthuluesque Vomiting of Ideas

 

  the incomparable test [TS]

  episode 52 [TS]

  August 2011 first anniversary edition [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  we're back on the incomparable and I [TS]

  have reconvened again our book club [TS]

  because this is an anniversary of sorts [TS]

  this is basically a year almost to the [TS]

  day of the original episode of the [TS]

  incomparable and this is indeed [TS]

  incomparable number 52 Jason I yeah I [TS]

  didn't get us anything [TS]

  the voice you just heard is one of our [TS]

  former pod cast members haha damn more'n [TS]

  joins me he was on that first podcast [TS]

  and the other participants were on that [TS]

  podcast as well Glenn fleischmann [TS]

  welcome back you've made a year [TS]

  congratulations Thank You [TS]

  congratulations to you for having the [TS]

  fortitude to do this [TS]

  yes I quit this podcast is over 1 year [TS]

  and we're over and also joining us is as [TS]

  he was on Episode one when we didn't [TS]

  have a name for the podcast got Mykelti [TS]

  hi Scott who I am so glad that we are [TS]

  the only people that have survived the [TS]

  Great incomparable killing yes free [TS]

  everyone else is dead [TS]

  unfortunate by the way don't answer your [TS]

  door ding dong [TS]

  so in episode one of the incomparable [TS]

  will always have Zeppelin's from august [TS]

  twenty-second of 2010 we talked about [TS]

  among other things the novel the city in [TS]

  the city by China navel and he's back [TS]

  because we read embassy town which is [TS]

  his latest novel we all read it i think [TS]

  it's fair to say that some of us didn't [TS]

  like it very much [TS]

  I think that might be more than fair to [TS]

  say heaven for fans so this could be [TS]

  good i will tell you my opinion of the [TS]

  book but my opinion of the marketing of [TS]

  the book is a not too high because [TS]

  everywhere i was reading you know I have [TS]

  a fan of the good old trader as i'm [TS]

  going to call it because I can never [TS]

  pronounce last name so i eagerly [TS]

  anticipated the book and I would read [TS]

  the event [TS]

  and you know marketing copy and [TS]

  everywhere it would say space opera [TS]

  describe this book as a space opera now [TS]

  unless i have no idea what space opera [TS]

  means it's actually an opera second [TS]

  space if it doesn't feel canarian or the [TS]

  marketing people have no idea what [TS]

  you're talking about because this in my [TS]

  limited understanding of the space opera [TS]

  it generally involves a sweeping story [TS]

  large battles and things you know a [TS]

  grand stage and some something big in [TS]

  this store this novel can be described [TS]

  as many things but to paraphrase I I no [TS]

  space operas and you embassy town are no [TS]

  space opera know it might be a planet [TS]

  opera i mean i think that how that if [TS]

  you think about all the events that [TS]

  occur in embassy town I was telling my [TS]

  wife this it's a I it feels like in some [TS]

  ways this could have been four novels [TS]

  because the events on the surface of [TS]

  that planet it's like let's demolish an [TS]

  entire culture and then watch as it is [TS]

  really sort of rebuilt there's a lot [TS]

  that happens that completely changes [TS]

  what happens on that planet but it's [TS]

  certainly not like what I would think of [TS]

  as a space opera which is this sweeping [TS]

  scope of many planets and battles and [TS]

  space and things and it's really there [TS]

  there are some scenes in the hyperspace [TS]

  kind of thing called the Emperor and and [TS]

  then everything else is on this planet [TS]

  where embassy damn is there's like [TS]

  there's like five minutes of space [TS]

  travel instead of being a space up it's [TS]

  more like a space that cave and the bad [TS]

  seeds song i think i don't know that [TS]

  means but I agree so let's start back at [TS]

  the beginning here which is embassy town [TS]

  is a novel that set in kind of multiple [TS]

  time frames and then the multiple time [TS]

  frames shift [TS]

  it's about it's a hit well sir the [TS]

  governing image is very tolerant of [TS]

  mitotic all the way the way it is [TS]

  oh you're right you're right in front of [TS]

  the protagonist is a woman named APIs [TS]

  she's a she's a native basically of this [TS]

  planet which is a has this alien race [TS]

  that lives on it but there is a place [TS]

  we're all of the ambassadors and staff [TS]

  who are not from this alien race live [TS]

  and it's an air bubble of breathable [TS]

  atmosphere and that is called embassy [TS]

  town so it is the place where all the [TS]

  aliens live including humans on this [TS]

  planet and she has a little [TS]

  coming-of-age thing or she's a kid on a [TS]

  planet and then she learns to be an [TS]

  emperor pilot which means that she can [TS]

  travel through the stars and then at a [TS]

  later time she comes back to the planet [TS]

  and then the fun begins [TS]

  because then there are quick crazy [TS]

  imaginations with ambassadors and [TS]

  there's a thing called a my ab which you [TS]

  find us a message in a bottle and just [TS]

  in case you thought Jason might be [TS]

  applying that you go to like 200 pages [TS]

  before the fun kicks in [TS]

  he's totally right I'm not even sure it [TS]

  kicks in addition underneath [TS]

  oh and the the host the aliens are [TS]

  called the hosts na they don't they [TS]

  can't understand when people talk but [TS]

  they can understand when these weird [TS]

  kind of like mentally bonded pairs of [TS]

  people speak simultaneously because the [TS]

  hosts have two mouths and it's it's wild [TS]

  it is a wacky very original i thought [TS]

  premise but yet it is not exactly a a [TS]

  quick read to get to the to get to the [TS]

  big fight seem well I ended it's not [TS]

  even important [TS]

  I I don't even know that how important [TS]

  that is it's just what strikes me a you [TS]

  know what strikes me here is what you [TS]

  said about there being you know several [TS]

  different books in here and I think it's [TS]

  true and I think all of them gets short [TS]

  shrift like none of them are fully [TS]

  fleshed-out and none of them are it's [TS]

  like everytime you think okay this is [TS]

  getting someplace interesting like the [TS]

  whole the rug gets pulled out from under [TS]

  you and you start all over again and [TS]

  this is tough because he really enjoys [TS]

  dumping people not just sort of in media [TS]

  res like in the middle of things but in [TS]

  terms of like in the middle of these [TS]

  extremely complex environments right [TS]

  where you don't necessarily have any [TS]

  idea what's going on like how long does [TS]

  it take you to figure out sort of the [TS]

  central premises of this world and the [TS]

  society there in and then no sooner you [TS]

  sort of start to get a handle on that [TS]

  then you're [TS]

  you're sucked away into this you know [TS]

  into the her careers and your pilot [TS]

  which doesn't last very long and doesn't [TS]

  really seem to have a huge bearing on [TS]

  the rest of the book you know i will say [TS]

  i want one of the things I appreciate [TS]

  about me avail and I appreciate about [TS]

  this book is a little bit like an FM by [TS]

  neal stephenson he he he's gonna set you [TS]

  down in the world and you gotta figure [TS]

  it out and I'll i like that but i liked [TS]

  i like to end them and I think that's [TS]

  the major difference haha no no I think [TS]

  Stevenson's was better at that because [TS]

  meetville the thing that bothers me [TS]

  about most of his books and I've read I [TS]

  read all three of the which McCullen new [TS]

  crow bazan or whatever the pretty [TS]

  district station that's a that's a [TS]

  made-up word crocus on I read all three [TS]

  of those it's not where I don't is it I [TS]

  you know he'd that see that's my point [TS]

  he's just spend so much time saying like [TS]

  his whole books are isn't this weird [TS]

  isn't that weird [TS]

  this guy's got bug head is not weird [TS]

  it's like it's drawers so much attention [TS]

  to itself that it feels like hitting me [TS]

  over the head with a hammer about [TS]

  weirdness and it's like it's hard for me [TS]

  to ever get engaged because I don't I I [TS]

  feel like I'm constantly being reminded [TS]

  isn't this weird but but your point that [TS]

  you just made was that you know you have [TS]

  to figure out what the rules of the [TS]

  world are and what that some of these [TS]

  words mean and and that that didn't [TS]

  bother me i think you I think your point [TS]

  is much more valid that as you figure it [TS]

  out suddenly we are jerked away to yet [TS]

  another angle so she's growing up in the [TS]

  coming of age in this weird place [TS]

  no now she's a pilot and she's gonna [TS]

  learn about this weird hyperspace [TS]

  topography multi-dimensional topography [TS]

  okay okay i'm starting to get that it's [TS]

  mr which is the timeless always of the [TS]

  hyperspace and it's the ad pops or [TS]

  whatever the german word is that they [TS]

  use that's the ok i got i'm starting to [TS]

  get that bono now she's back and she's [TS]

  not in the space anymore she's back on [TS]

  the planet again [TS]

  don't you think that's a device though [TS]

  it but it strikes me as a random [TS]

  vomiting of ideas like rather than any [TS]

  fully-formed coherent narrative think [TS]

  vomiting is ordered [TS]

  I wouldn't say random vomiting and [TS]

  say a procession of that i find this [TS]

  emblematic and sort of you know and that [TS]

  makes all the stuff that he writes to a [TS]

  certain extent in the sole exception of [TS]

  my experience being the city in the city [TS]

  which is very very strange but I really [TS]

  enjoyed and thought was well constructed [TS]

  and well-crafted as a story in a way [TS]

  that this was not there is a main line [TS]

  plot in the city and the city is that [TS]

  you go from one end to the other and [TS]

  there's actually a resolution and you're [TS]

  sort of hitting way points along the way [TS]

  there's a structure that makes sense [TS]

  right yeah which is true of most I mean [TS]

  it's true of a pretty do Street Station [TS]

  has got its you know it's a rambling [TS]

  thing but it's not pick her ass great [TS]

  this is this is picturesque this is the [TS]

  definition of picturesque is that you're [TS]

  walking along and you get to one [TS]

  destination when you get there is not a [TS]

  resolution the story it's like oh and [TS]

  here's the next story and let's go on [TS]

  and so forth so you don't feel like [TS]

  they're he may have intended an arc but [TS]

  there is no sense of story arc from [TS]

  through the others go through line for [TS]

  this it reads like five stories that [TS]

  have similar things in common [TS]

  the problem with that is that in a [TS]

  picaresque what keeps you going from [TS]

  story to story is that the characters [TS]

  you know usually are engaging right and [TS]

  it's also not but I I mean I honestly [TS]

  found myself not really understanding [TS]

  understanding or caring about Elvis well [TS]

  I don't understand the whole obsession [TS]

  with establishing that the man she's in [TS]

  love with they don't have sex and yet [TS]

  they get married like there's there's a [TS]

  number of times that you know I I [TS]

  thought he was gonna make a point about [TS]

  like interspecies things or the nature [TS]

  of whatever it's like we try to do [TS]

  things in bed and didn't work out but [TS]

  then we stuck around he was sort of [TS]

  weirdo he was obsessed with language and [TS]

  so we got married like why i don't quite [TS]

  what's the point of that like where does [TS]

  that fit in is very off pit that's still [TS]

  the weirdness right like is is this [TS]

  different from the way you do things [TS]

  where you are [TS]

  yes in this world marriage means [TS]

  something different it's a special [TS]

  contract that can mean many things [TS]

  including sex or not haha about that now [TS]

  let's move on [TS]

  yeah I challenge your preconceived [TS]

  notions check that's yes that would be [TS]

  the onion version of this story is the [TS]

  Challenger consumers with this and this [TS]

  and i have a friend and she's a she's a [TS]

  robot or a target on our computer [TS]

  program with wheels tides what's the [TS]

  deal with her [TS]

  what was the point of that I don't even [TS]

  stand you okay wait I want to represent [TS]

  a counter-narrative to dance narrative [TS]

  which is threatening to overwhelm this [TS]

  podcast which is there's a lot of stuff [TS]

  and I quite like there's a lot of great [TS]

  ideas i don't think your disagreement [TS]

  that entirely there i mean it's it's [TS]

  kind of like you know let's let's say [TS]

  maybe i'll open his notebook of things [TS]

  to write books about it seems like [TS]

  rather than then have a compelling [TS]

  character driven narrative and through [TS]

  which he can tell a story of a world or [TS]

  even vice versa [TS]

  it was i've got a bunch of stuff here [TS]

  that doesn't fit the other books i'm [TS]

  gonna stick it in there and i will use [TS]

  one character to bind it up but I mean [TS]

  like the so so I like two parts of it [TS]

  and some of it is very clever something [TS]

  that I found somewhat moving but then it [TS]

  becomes but this so conventional for [TS]

  being so weird [TS]

  the resolution was really rather [TS]

  disappointing and i think i think it [TS]

  starts out I me and them suffers from [TS]

  this little bit we're by the time you [TS]

  realize i talked about atoms that [TS]

  rewired my brain like by the time I [TS]

  figured out enough what's going on to [TS]

  actually understand what was being said [TS]

  in the narrative I was so far along that [TS]

  huge book that I didn't worry about some [TS]

  of the plot points and holes whenever it [TS]

  again i feel it's a little weaker in [TS]

  this book it's the same thing like [TS]

  you're being battered back and forth by [TS]

  all these interesting new ideas which [TS]

  are very interesting some of which are [TS]

  just like whatever and then you're like [TS]

  oh well the story in the end is kind of [TS]

  you know reason wins [TS]

  yeah why yeah and there's a you know [TS]

  irrational guy who shoots pou li meaning [TS]

  and then in some ways he was a more [TS]

  interesting character to me i mean if [TS]

  you have anybody goes away for like half [TS]

  the book and then he comes back and he's [TS]

  like always crazy now every neal [TS]

  stephenson book has a character like the [TS]

  husband becomes strange this novel goes [TS]

  on they come back in like the fifth that [TS]

  you think the book is over and some guy [TS]

  you haven't seen for like two or three [TS]

  acts who is significant like I was it [TS]

  Raven in the crash and is he's in every [TS]

  one of his books as this some but [TS]

  there's always the the sort of stevenson [TS]

  thing in this best books the ones which [TS]

  doesn't have to pull out some deus ex [TS]

  machina a character who haven't here for [TS]

  a while [TS]

  who's seven feet tall or whatever don't [TS]

  ya I'm not that I'm not saying [TS]

  Stevenson's with [TS]

  his flaws but yeah but I'm saying that I [TS]

  think that's that is a typical thing in [TS]

  this book is you get this this character [TS]

  shows up rather late after having a lot [TS]

  of narrative exposition played around [TS]

  with any sort of forgotten but you also [TS]

  know he's coming back right because it's [TS]

  totally and for shadow with oh he went [TS]

  off and no one ever saw him again this [TS]

  is illusionary doing something so I i [TS]

  found that kind of transparent as well i [TS]

  mean i-i you're right down there are [TS]

  interesting ideas here i think a lot of [TS]

  the language stuff as someone who [TS]

  studied linguistics little bit and yeah [TS]

  and really found it fascinating [TS]

  there's some really interesting stuff [TS]

  there um but it was it was hard to get a [TS]

  handle on in a way that it worked for [TS]

  the narrative especially when we had [TS]

  spent so much of the the earlier book [TS]

  Johnson around between all these other [TS]

  different i mean for example just [TS]

  there's that whole bit when she learned [TS]

  you're being apart a pilot about the [TS]

  wreck right is this [TS]

  yeah i mean something of this sort of [TS]

  derelict ship right that that's seven [TS]

  areas like a warning like half in and [TS]

  half out of it and there's not really AI [TS]

  I not sure I really understood what the [TS]

  point of that was it gets mentioned [TS]

  later on too but I I was like oh yeah [TS]

  that thing I think you're supposed to [TS]

  feel that this planet is out at the end [TS]

  of the world and that beyond lies the [TS]

  great question of these are the most [TS]

  alien aliens and we don't really [TS]

  understand them and there's there it's [TS]

  almost like they got here by accident [TS]

  and and other things have been wrecked [TS]

  and beyond here there be dragons we [TS]

  don't know what else is out there past [TS]

  this point that sounds like an [TS]

  interesting book i was so right [TS]

  ah yes well I thought I guess I thought [TS]

  it was a little more interesting than [TS]

  that i want to talk about the language [TS]

  because i think his he did empty out his [TS]

  sort of sci-fi tropes into this book but [TS]

  a picture of shape and intro word [TS]

  processor the background or foreground [TS]

  tropes and a little bit like an email [TS]

  like you get a red pepper flake in at [TS]

  the pizza parlor through maker shake it [TS]

  in but what this book is really about [TS]

  and what he wanted to do was talk about [TS]

  i guess they call it a linguistic [TS]

  relativity now back in my comm major [TS]

  days it was the sapir-whorf hypothesis [TS]

  is the ID [TS]

  yeah that language and thought are [TS]

  interrelated and that the language you [TS]

  use defines how you think and that's [TS]

  what this book is about this book is [TS]

  about a race of aliens who cannot think [TS]

  in anything symbolic everything they say [TS]

  is literal and the advent of these [TS]

  creatures who speak in non-literal terms [TS]

  is a you know there can they're confused [TS]

  and and they're trying to figure out how [TS]

  to interrelate with humans and it leads [TS]

  to all the problems but it also leads to [TS]

  the resolution in that once day they [TS]

  can't pollute these this alien race they [TS]

  can you know the alien race starts to [TS]

  learn how to use symbols and in effect [TS]

  even before that there's some of the [TS]

  aliens who are trying very hard to lie [TS]

  and there's this whole like liars club [TS]

  where they're trying very hard to say [TS]

  things that are counterfactual because [TS]

  they grasp that there is symbology to be [TS]

  had and the whole point of the last part [TS]

  of the book i think is is that is that [TS]

  the way they change the way they think [TS]

  is entirely based on changing their [TS]

  language into a new language and they [TS]

  tear down their old culture and bring up [TS]

  this new culture now how interesting [TS]

  that is and how even likely it would be [TS]

  that you'd have aliens who have this [TS]

  kind of way of thinking i don't know but [TS]

  i thought it was as again as an old com [TS]

  major i thought it was really [TS]

  interesting to have all that talk about [TS]

  similes and she's a simile she has to [TS]

  act something out and then they use it [TS]

  and say oh what you like the girl who's [TS]

  who is it what she was given and there's [TS]

  the guy who dies who swam every day so [TS]

  he's the boy who swam every day and then [TS]

  he dies there like he's the boy swim [TS]

  every day but then he died that day they [TS]

  have to be that literal with it and I [TS]

  thought that was fascinating and how [TS]

  many seconds for you into the novel [TS]

  before me [TS]

  no military the novel you read that part [TS]

  where you thought Darmok and Jalad at [TS]

  tonight it's not this it's not the same [TS]

  it's not the same that you're right [TS]

  because they're recounting well tonight [TS]

  and it's an inverse sort of and it is [TS]

  the idea here is that these what if [TS]

  there was a race that can't make symbols [TS]

  that can't think anything but literal [TS]

  facts and then basically the humans come [TS]

  in and completely ruin their entire [TS]

  civilization destroy their planet and [TS]

  only out of the rubble [TS]

  are they able to kind of have a rebirth [TS]

  as a erase that can think symbolically [TS]

  basically we suck [TS]

  I mean I like that I I really disliked [TS]

  the whole trope about like or the whole [TS]

  section about the you-know-who [TS]

  hey there's this special ambassador who [TS]

  gets everybody high with his words I [TS]

  don't know if felt that totally fell [TS]

  flat for me maybe just because it felt [TS]

  like a generic science-fictiony plot and [TS]

  they sort of alluded to the fact that [TS]

  the zoo this is part of this like [TS]

  intrigued by the world that we're sort [TS]

  of a colony of but it didn't read they [TS]

  want to sabotage things [TS]

  yeah i mean it because that all gets [TS]

  back loaded into why they're doing this [TS]

  it feels very like very vague and very [TS]

  you know without purpose sorting and [TS]

  again it's the is the too many you know [TS]

  not enough space for too many ideas [TS]

  problem right i mean if you could do a [TS]

  whole story about the kind of a colony [TS]

  intrigue among the ambassadors and the [TS]

  fact that this be there so far away from [TS]

  where they're supposed to be what [TS]

  they're supposed to be a colony of that [TS]

  they sort of have broken off and the the [TS]

  other government wants to reinforce its [TS]

  authority over them i mean there's a [TS]

  story there right accepted Leslie just [TS]

  conserve sketched out briefly and then [TS]

  it sort of well there we go [TS]

  well let's move on a lot of the China [TS]

  Mieville stuff a lot of my problems with [TS]

  them can sort of lumped under the [TS]

  category of trying too hard [TS]

  I think he just it sometimes is all of [TS]

  his writing reads just like he's trying [TS]

  too hard to impress somebody and and [TS]

  that bothers me [TS]

  yeah this is what the city in the city [TS]

  works so well as it's much more spare it [TS]

  backs off because of it's sort of any [TS]

  for the very first business in the city [TS]

  where there is a crime scene and they're [TS]

  out there and the detective looks up at [TS]

  a season walking across and then he [TS]

  realizes he has to unsere as she does [TS]

  have me you're like what is that it [TS]

  doesn't explain it is not all this stuff [TS]

  and things just a little off and then it [TS]

  slowly you know sort of viruses open as [TS]

  you get this story is very minimal and [TS]

  and it works because it's also hooked on [TS]

  a a plot that your shape or structure [TS]

  that you understand right there's a [TS]

  murder [TS]

  we've got a detective in like that that [TS]

  Italy [TS]

  gives you an entry into the plot and you [TS]

  can deal with the fact that there are [TS]

  weird things going on somewhere else [TS]

  because you sort of have that to cling [TS]

  to until you sort of get your feet and [TS]

  figure out what's going on in this world [TS]

  whereas in this one if he's if that [TS]

  structure was ostensibly like it's a [TS]

  space opera it doesn't really work as [TS]

  that like to me that structure of [TS]

  totally fell flat it's not a space opera [TS]

  is based on a space opera Scott you [TS]

  didn't tell us what you thought of the [TS]

  book what can you share a little bit now [TS]

  can you reveal my trap [TS]

  can you open the envelope and tell us [TS]

  what's in it now Scott well other than a [TS]

  reading the whole book and expecting [TS]

  some kind of space battle to happen [TS]

  given all my kid and then be very [TS]

  disappointed at the end because they [TS]

  were normally when I don't know man in [TS]

  the astronaut suit with the sword and [TS]

  the laser on the cover was really unfair [TS]

  it was just miss misleading as well put [TS]

  but that being said besides that myspace [TS]

  up for disappointment i was intrigued by [TS]

  the idea that I had no idea what was [TS]

  going on for a large part of the book [TS]

  and I think that that was I don't know [TS]

  if this is me projecting onto what kind [TS]

  of media was trying to do but the aliens [TS]

  in the book are presented as so alien [TS]

  that the people on the planet just can't [TS]

  understand them and so I thought that he [TS]

  was trying to replicate that to have the [TS]

  reader go through that similar [TS]

  experience by just being completely [TS]

  confused by the book for a vast majority [TS]

  of it [TS]

  mission you didn't you didn't get that [TS]

  feeling that that humans were living at [TS]

  the mercy of these strange aliens and [TS]

  nobody understands them and if the air [TS]

  bubble goes away tomorrow we all die and [TS]

  living in that environment like that [TS]

  there's a really evocative seen early on [TS]

  where the kids play how far you get out [TS]

  of the air bubble not and how far you [TS]

  can touch out of the air bubble and then [TS]

  like a kid collapse this and almost gets [TS]

  brain damage to the aliens have to bring [TS]

  back in its good time you know that was [TS]

  that was that was kind of Awesome [TS]

  actually so it was a pocket of that way [TS]

  and I remember early on in the book I [TS]

  was reading it and and he talks about I [TS]

  guess what [TS]

  the characters is looking at the [TS]

  cityscape right and he talks about she's [TS]

  looking at these factories and she's [TS]

  like oh and the factories were grazing [TS]

  and I was like but how do factories [TS]

  great is it was like I don't understand [TS]

  what I'm reading [TS]

  did I did I have a stroke is what i [TS]

  understand i had not only specific [TS]

  stroke reading something in which i am [TS]

  someone more like there's something at [TS]

  this point especially in science fiction [TS]

  i think we talked about this auto [TS]

  previous podcast extensive a fantasy [TS]

  reader Dan Moore and noted that we were [TS]

  impressed about something he said you [TS]

  know it's he felt like you before and [TS]

  probably more extensive fantasy wedding [TS]

  then maybe the rest of us had already [TS]

  felt it was more commonly expressed [TS]

  ideas and I think I feel on the syfy [TS]

  realm you know I've been reading some of [TS]

  the new weird stuff i've been reading a [TS]

  lot of complications anthologies this [TS]

  podcast is really provoked me to open up [TS]

  a lot of very contemporary syfy reading [TS]

  that I think I'd had walked away from [TS]

  including someone like Ian banks and [TS]

  some of the space opera that is out [TS]

  there now that truly is space opera and [TS]

  it's hard to find new ideas you know [TS]

  sometimes I'll read stuff this 80 years [TS]

  old I feel like it has newer ideas than [TS]

  anyone's exploring today so I respect [TS]

  and love the idea that i can open up a [TS]

  book like embassy town and be baffled [TS]

  and confused and hope that the author is [TS]

  going to take me a hand at some point or [TS]

  give me the tools to understand it and [TS]

  and that's sort of a marvelous thing and [TS]

  that's one of his characteristics is [TS]

  that you really have to stumble around [TS]

  his world before you figure out what it [TS]

  is in this case you're like oh well haha [TS]

  you know that didn't turn out to be so [TS]

  interesting after all did it [TS]

  I what I just wish I just wish it was [TS]

  more to a better story I guess what I [TS]

  feel like there you can do that I think [TS]

  you can do that and still tell an [TS]

  interesting and engaging narrative [TS]

  that's really I just don't think [TS]

  happened here but I i don't think the [TS]

  story matters in this book i think it [TS]

  and the characters really don't matter i [TS]

  think what he was doing is is this kind [TS]

  of rumination also the readers don't [TS]

  matter [TS]

  well the readers probably don't matter [TS]

  either way he's at this point the book [TS]

  on your desk and just let it sit let me [TS]

  know but you know there is something to [TS]

  be said he China Mieville is at the [TS]

  point in his career right where you can [TS]

  basically write whatever he wants [TS]

  so I don't think he really cares what [TS]

  people what readers are getting out of [TS]

  this book I think he just wanted [TS]

  to have an exercise and think about [TS]

  language and a if you look at it in that [TS]

  kind of rubric I think the book is [TS]

  successful if you're looking at it as I [TS]

  want to read a entertaining story maybe [TS]

  you should not read this book because [TS]

  the story is the weakest element i think [TS]

  of the whole thing no it's about it's [TS]

  about i did there a lot of ideas there's [TS]

  some beautifully written passages but [TS]

  but I think that's absolutely i really [TS]

  enjoyed it but I I think that's [TS]

  absolutely fair that the the story isn't [TS]

  what it's about [TS]

  and although I on a grand scale i think [TS]

  the story could have been much more [TS]

  interesting than it was which goes to [TS]

  dance point of of how you know they're [TS]

  there were more interesting things here [TS]

  them maybe that I imagined as i was [TS]

  reading it then are actually on the page [TS]

  which i don't think i can say he invoked [TS]

  that I think it was more like I was kind [TS]

  of anticipating where I thought that we [TS]

  go and it didn't but but it was you know [TS]

  the ideas are really strong the writing [TS]

  in in large sections is beautiful and I [TS]

  i have a great time reading it because [TS]

  the ideas were so weird and but it [TS]

  wasn't about loving the characters and [TS]

  it wasn't about having it be a gripping [TS]

  you know a gripping overarching story [TS]

  well maybe it in the little the little [TS]

  plot devices they kept going through and [TS]

  like for example you've got this this [TS]

  this strange ambassador again and at [TS]

  some point they allude to the fact that [TS]

  one of the guys in that pair you know [TS]

  because this is what they're weird pair [TS]

  because they're not like raised from [TS]

  youth together and they're not like [TS]

  clones exactly or whatever and then they [TS]

  mentioned that just like this one you [TS]

  know one of the two of the pair is just [TS]

  like oh he's you know empathic or [TS]

  whatever it's like well that was they [TS]

  have those were like 400 pages into this [TS]

  book we we're introducing an entirely [TS]

  new plot element felt like but it just [TS]

  sorta gets thrown by the wayside again [TS]

  there's just again too much too much [TS]

  that needed to be simplified I think it [TS]

  needed a a a more discreet thrust of you [TS]

  know what are you talking about rather [TS]

  than going off every which way an [TS]

  article I read about China Mieville said [TS]

  that he wants to write a novel in every [TS]

  genre and i think he just did [TS]

  dramatic company [TS]

  haha bugs were good but to me this was [TS]

  his space opera this was his you know [TS]

  sci-fi hard sci-fi novel or whatever [TS]

  however you want to call it and and I'm [TS]

  going hard side and i read that well [TS]

  whatever it is this is his of that haha [TS]

  i don't know what this this is just [TS]

  regular syfy novel so this is going to [TS]

  make a joke about him running or western [TS]

  and I realized okay i actually redtube [TS]

  yeah he wrote that was probably a [TS]

  Western it wasn't very good see so so he [TS]

  wants to write a book and every genre [TS]

  and this is a sci-fi and i feel like [TS]

  because of that that's why we got the [TS]

  emptying out his bag of of ideas that he [TS]

  wanted to use in a sci-fi novel and just [TS]

  pour them all in here because some other [TS]

  writer and perhaps a less ambitious [TS]

  writer would have taken these ideas and [TS]

  said i'm going to write a second book [TS]

  series set in the inverse and it's going [TS]

  to make this is gonna be over here and [TS]

  there's gonna be a thing on the planet [TS]

  is going to be the story of the hosts [TS]

  and that'll be you know it's a trilogy [TS]

  about that and and instead he's like no [TS]

  no I'm not gonna do that i'm going to [TS]

  i'm just-just the one let's just stick [TS]

  it all in there [TS]

  yeah that's why I think that's the way [TS]

  it does and there's something there's [TS]

  something there's something admirable [TS]

  undermine yeah expectations I I rude and [TS]

  I think they needed try to do that I i [TS]

  mean i just i think we differ on how [TS]

  successful i see you get this was the [TS]

  book so the question I have for you guys [TS]

  is how do you picture how do you picture [TS]

  the host what do you think they look [TS]

  like I i can tell you how I picture them [TS]

  and maybe and maybe scott scott might be [TS]

  the one who actually find this most [TS]

  interesting i kind of picture them like [TS]

  there's a creature in dungeons dragons [TS]

  called the beholder which is like this [TS]

  floating fleshy or with a big I and I [TS]

  pictured it kind of looking like one of [TS]

  those but with a pair of wings or [TS]

  something i really had a very hard time [TS]

  because every time he would add another [TS]

  feature in there like it seemed like [TS]

  they were their descriptions were doled [TS]

  out piecemeal right [TS]

  it felt to me very much like at various [TS]

  points to refer to very feature various [TS]

  features and be like whoa [TS]

  these guys have like feet hold on i [TS]

  gotta rethink this ok so my cup holder [TS]

  with feet it was constantly changing [TS]

  that was the trouble I had was I that is [TS]

  how I when they were first introduced [TS]

  that was how I picture them and then as [TS]

  i continue reading through the book they [TS]

  kept adding features that were at odds [TS]

  with that pic [TS]

  sure and so I ended up with just like I [TS]

  have no idea what these look like an [TS]

  early did they have eyes are they I i [TS]

  win it's like Doc's I stocks that's it [TS]

  ok I stock that's a lesser known as [TS]

  Martha so Scott what did you say what [TS]

  did you think I I saw them as just big [TS]

  Beatles I guess which is kind of lame [TS]

  but that's making that George John it's [TS]

  a giant Ringo is what I that's [TS]

  terrifying also what about you climb i [TS]

  was thinking big bug sort of like more [TS]

  like mosquitoes with long proboscis 'as [TS]

  and provides I and but like weird flippy [TS]

  eyes [TS]

  yeah I thought it was a rack from space [TS]

  coast oh yes I think you're right Jason [TS]

  yeah yeah so Rach the bandleader from [TS]

  basically that's I pictured a whole [TS]

  planet of his or acts tearing they're [TS]

  tearing their hearing limps off in order [TS]

  to the other themselves and then they [TS]

  got war that's a planet i would like to [TS]

  visit [TS]

  I'm so Rex this is long and and our [TS]

  protagonist of space go see he could [TS]

  have written that would have been a [TS]

  space on I would recognize like that but [TS]

  you read this transition [TS]

  damn it you can't actually does he get [TS]

  you [TS]

  well that's I've for China Mieville next [TS]

  book which will be all about done [TS]

  reading things who know China move wants [TS]

  to write a book about [TS]

  talk shows that's the next time only [TS]

  perhaps Scott has written a book yet [TS]

  about 19th century detectives in you [TS]

  know he has not that it would be really [TS]

  weird so I would like his I'm sure [TS]

  noseby operates the book about if you [TS]

  want something done reading does that [TS]

  mean that we lose the knowledge of all [TS]

  the other books is written [TS]

  please please please put our sorry that [TS]

  was mean that was that was read [TS]

  I'm sorry he's he's a large man and he [TS]

  can beat you up [TS]

  wait wait he has written a book about [TS]

  done reading that's what crackin is [TS]

  about i would see now okay now Glenn [TS]

  tell me because you were I've had [TS]

  cracking on my list for all in fact I i [TS]

  tried to get a library and through [TS]

  mishap didn't end up with it but I is [TS]

  what was what way what was the mishap [TS]

  no I i was out of town and it was it [TS]

  appeared while I was out of town so i [TS]

  could not retrieve it in time [TS]

  now I want to know do you think based on [TS]

  on my history with trying to meet my [TS]

  personal history them clearly i like the [TS]

  city and citi did not care as much for [TS]

  embassy town do you think i would enjoy [TS]

  cracking I yeah i think what i can tell [TS]

  you for sure i will tell you crack it [TS]

  has a much it has a it has a crack is a [TS]

  story that has a plot that is like a [TS]

  railroad train barreling down you know [TS]

  80 miles an hour the track even when [TS]

  it's on the siding like you're going [TS]

  along the track you like fuckin shaky [TS]

  going to don't ya [TS]

  look you know so even when it's [TS]

  ridiculous the plot keeps advancing at [TS]

  one point there's literally almost a [TS]

  speed like thing in which they're in a [TS]

  vehicle with like a guy with a living [TS]

  tattoo on his back [TS]

  that's driving like all through London [TS]

  and they can't really stop because [TS]

  they'll be tracked and there's people [TS]

  who talk to the earth and its it's crazy [TS]

  but it's not shambolic like the embassy [TS]

  town where it's all kinds of things all [TS]

  over the place they don't seem to relate [TS]

  like cracking is sort of a rollicking [TS]

  tail and you gotta stick with it but [TS]

  there's a like consistent things that [TS]

  happen there is sort of magic there's [TS]

  some crazy stuff and like the one bit i [TS]

  love is that the ocean like the actual [TS]

  ocean has an embassy is a house that's [TS]

  like full of water and fish like you can [TS]

  go to it but it's so you have to sort of [TS]

  find it i don't recall Aquaman except [TS]

  for a temper Aquaman [TS]

  it's very unlikely that the crack is [TS]

  very cool feeling is very very [TS]

  lovecraftian in some ways like that [TS]

  there are horrible giant inconceivably [TS]

  vast forces in which asked as as in one [TS]

  of the books that was written by mr. [TS]

  contribute to the extent of lowes there [TS]

  is traveling circuit they got a lot of [TS]

  consonants I read one it opened a portal [TS]

  to another realm [TS]

  so I stopped my man I i'm intrigued [TS]

  because you know based on the little bit [TS]

  that I've read and what you said it [TS]

  sounds it kind of sounds kind of neil [TS]

  gaiman ish history it's definitely like [TS]

  definitely very neil gaiman relative to [TS]

  other works it's it's I mean there's [TS]

  there's sort of a there's a there's a [TS]

  story there's a story that's told [TS]

  beginning to end and there is a deus ex [TS]

  machina up again I i do like stories [TS]

  when i read racing amateur stories are a [TS]

  crutch for the energy managers there are [TS]

  some supremely evil characters and i [TS]

  kinda like evil characters that are just [TS]

  so they're they're happily evil they [TS]

  like they commit horrible horrible acts [TS]

  for the pure joy of it and there's [TS]

  something so creepy about that these [TS]

  sort of reminds me actually American [TS]

  non-american gods but the sequel of [TS]

  Anasazi boys are a nancy-boy anansi boys [TS]

  right [TS]

  anansi boys much more feeling of bad [TS]

  especially with some of the really evil [TS]

  parts of it but I don't think crack it [TS]

  is i think Kraken is a much better book [TS]

  than embassy town it's not full of [TS]

  nearly as many ideas and it's clearly [TS]

  written to be like part of a series it's [TS]

  got a detective story in it too i mean [TS]

  it's really at some level there's these [TS]

  guys from a sort of supernatural [TS]

  effective force it's part of London [TS]

  Metropolitan Police Force apparently [TS]

  they were you tell me about this the [TS]

  more I want to read it [TS]

  good that's maybe i'll definitely know [TS]

  that the definition of a good book [TS]

  the thing is it was gonna say like this [TS]

  it's a it's a it's a rambling story but [TS]

  it's rollicking so like it runs all over [TS]

  the place but there's always somebody [TS]

  chasing the hero who is sort of not [TS]

  intended to be a hero and there's a lot [TS]

  of misdirection but the misdirection was [TS]

  being played out as opposed to [TS]

  frustrating you alright so you can you [TS]

  can read that while i check out in [TS]

  london which is his young adult novel [TS]

  that he wrote right before the city in [TS]

  the city which is supposed to be quite [TS]

  good and one a few awards and I know [TS]

  that's going to be the next up on my [TS]

  wife's reading list [TS]

  because uh I think she's intrigued by [TS]

  the idea that he did why a novel that's [TS]

  about this the on its unlocked undone is [TS]

  the name of it but it's unloadin it's a [TS]

  nonsensical mirror version of London [TS]

  that these girls travel to so like the [TS]

  city in the city for kids you know you [TS]

  know for creating a little extra special [TS]

  horror just a little bit of extra floor [TS]

  I you know and I feel like I I feel like [TS]

  I come on you're away from the sounding [TS]

  like sending like a hater yes I i do [TS]

  tonight and yeah I'm not okay well I'll [TS]

  be John Syracuse for this evening i [TS]

  think that he is a I don't think he's a [TS]

  bad writer i mean i think i find his [TS]

  stuff intriguing i just don't I can't I [TS]

  don't find it enjoyable if that's a [TS]

  distinction to make [TS]

  i can see that i can say that to you [TS]

  know maybe that's a failing on my part [TS]

  but he's challenging he's a very [TS]

  challenging writer and I think he's a [TS]

  very good writer but i'm not sure if [TS]

  he's everybody's cup of tea right i mean [TS]

  i can see that he's piece certainly not [TS]

  everybody's cup of tea [TS]

  no and I I you know I'm not trying to [TS]

  save the ground up into class in the [TS]

  teacup so strata not my cup is made of [TS]

  mrs. head there's no tiene something [TS]

  almost but not entirely unlike t.o.o [TS]

  moose head full of glass [TS]

  okay that explains why i don't care for [TS]

  I I you know I know I don't say that's [TS]

  AI just like you know challenging [TS]

  writers or I don't like people who [TS]

  challenge me I mean I quite enjoyed I [TS]

  think you know an anthem was brought up [TS]

  as a as a as a corresponding or a [TS]

  similar book i really enjoyed an atom [TS]

  but something about something about me [TS]

  bills i think you know especially with [TS]

  his earlier stuff which i think was very [TS]

  widely liked because it was so [TS]

  off-putting in some ways right it was [TS]

  it's kind of an almost Brechtian and [TS]

  it's sort of like alienation techniques [TS]

  that I i think that that that was you [TS]

  know [TS]

  oh look this is a breath of fresh air [TS]

  it's a totally new it's not like [TS]

  anything before [TS]

  yeah and and maybe I felt like it was to [TS]

  alienating to the point of not having [TS]

  any ability to get immersed in it and [TS]

  maybe i just i prefer books that you can [TS]

  get a little more immersed in that you [TS]

  have a sort of grounding in and I feel [TS]

  like he enjoyed [TS]

  always very much pulling the rugs out [TS]

  and maybe just a little too much for me [TS]

  so we we've had a lot of different [TS]

  opinions about embassy town but i would [TS]

  like to know and we can go around the [TS]

  horn Iraq from space ghost is my answer [TS]

  is that your answer to everything and a [TS]

  good answer it is i have to be wanted [TS]

  for lunch one day this is our actual [TS]

  space goes like I was great i wish i was [TS]

  praying mantis for lunch let the man [TS]

  asked his question we have scott i have [TS]

  a very simple question would you [TS]

  recommend this book to a fellow sci-fi [TS]

  reader [TS]

  wow I i think i recommended it's dan so [TS]

  no no I mean I I keep reading despite [TS]

  the fact that apparently I I don't care [TS]

  for all of his books keep reading them [TS]

  and every time it comes up with you and [TS]

  I'm like I'll put that on my list [TS]

  because he's interesting this is I said [TS]

  I'm not necessarily enjoyable but [TS]

  interesting but you wouldn't recommend [TS]

  it to somebody else I die in fact and i [TS]

  recommended to some of the other one so [TS]

  i guess that answers your question did [TS]

  you just smack them how do you anti [TS]

  recommend something I said don't read [TS]

  this book [TS]

  don't leave this pic and buy this one [TS]

  from me don't know I keep it I keep it [TS]

  on my bookshelf is a you know a badge of [TS]

  honor or as a warning to the other books [TS]

  yes a reminder i recommend this book to [TS]

  my wife who does not read lots of [TS]

  science fiction and she in fact is just [TS]

  about to finish it so I'm speaking to [TS]

  you from the living room couch where [TS]

  I'll be sleeping for the next we know [TS]

  yet and apparently she's still your wife [TS]

  continues to be enjoying it at its out [TS]

  of her comfort zone but I think in I [TS]

  think she appreciates it because it's so [TS]

  different and there's a lot of [TS]

  interesting stuff in it but she's not a [TS]

  regular sci-fi reader so I think for her [TS]

  perspective it's kind of interesting to [TS]

  have the ideas of 18 different sci-fi [TS]

  novel active 21 [TS]

  it's like a 0 a brief history of science [TS]

  fiction it's a variety of fun constant [TS]

  concentrated science fiction yeah just [TS]

  add water a master's class problems i [TS]

  would i would recommend this to someone [TS]

  who has a tolerance for reading or and [TS]

  be involved with our ever read now let [TS]

  me tell you a good one of my fan [TS]

  this to use the theme of this which is [TS]

  the theme of this novel a my steam [TS]

  college carlson and my wife Lynn and I [TS]

  want to dance performance several years [TS]

  ago and it was so incomprehensible and [TS]

  band bad but well-executed we were angry [TS]

  people were walking out in the middle of [TS]

  singing angrily standing up during this [TS]

  performance people running around the [TS]

  stage and playing off to music and we're [TS]

  leaving the theater I don't know how [TS]

  many times I've ever seen that and we [TS]

  left and we were so angry about and we [TS]

  talked about it why we were angry about [TS]

  how awful it was we hated even was very [TS]

  well done at the same sort of feeling [TS]

  about this novel not quite as angry but [TS]

  i would recommend somebody who wanted to [TS]

  experiment it's a range of emotions on [TS]

  reading and want to be exposed to a lot [TS]

  of interesting ideas but who would you [TS]

  know it's a you might be ultimately [TS]

  completely unsatisfied with how this [TS]

  holds up as a novel I i have to say [TS]

  there's a certain i don't want a [TS]

  perverse satisfaction but you know there [TS]

  is something for me to i feel like often [TS]

  i like at like a lot of stood like [TS]

  everything to a certain extent like I'm [TS]

  very tall I very you know i'll watch [TS]

  terrible movies and say yeah there's [TS]

  some redeeming value to that or whatever [TS]

  and sometimes I think like maybe I'm not [TS]

  critical enough so it was it was [TS]

  refreshing for me to find a book that I [TS]

  could read that I Mike did not like this [TS]

  yeah and and I mean but it's still you [TS]

  know in in ways that made me think [TS]

  critically about what it was I did not [TS]

  like about it and I think there's a [TS]

  value to that there's a value to reading [TS]

  something that you disagree with [TS]

  yes and thinking well why did I not like [TS]

  this or what was it about this i did not [TS]

  find appealing we all agree he's a [TS]

  fabulous mesa he's a very interesting [TS]

  thoughtful writer with an enormous [TS]

  number i listened as think this is not a [TS]

  poorly written novel it's just now [TS]

  doesn't pull together in the way that we [TS]

  want something that satisfying to but [TS]

  and he'll write you know he'll write [TS]

  more that does and does not of course [TS]

  Scott and I seem to like it so that's [TS]

  true i I really did enjoy it but I [TS]

  wouldn't recommend it to China little [TS]

  thing and in fact my wife was like oh [TS]

  should i read that every town book that [TS]

  you said you liked so much i said a reed [TS]

  city in the city [TS]

  yes yeah well that's what I told my [TS]

  friend whenever we were talking about [TS]

  anything he in fact is i think to just [TS]

  like him more than I did and I said well [TS]

  you know if you're going to read one [TS]

  read the city in the city [TS]

  not embassy I'd agree with that even I [TS]

  who enjoyed embassy town a lot would [TS]

  agree that the city in the city is [TS]

  better and it's much more accessible [TS]

  yes yeah well you know what you're [TS]

  seeing is a as a new war kind of student [TS]

  detective story even though it's got a [TS]

  strange spin and so it's a little more [TS]

  recognizable you're marrying a weird the [TS]

  weirdness with something that is [TS]

  understandable [TS]

  yeah that's a good combination and it's [TS]

  not the the very language itself is not [TS]

  fighting you which is helpful some of it [TS]

  is but not so much it seems it's just [TS]

  you feel like you turned your head like [TS]

  three degrees away from normal as [TS]

  opposed to those are right it's kind of [TS]

  it's kind of out of phase but not [TS]

  actively punching you punching you [TS]

  so now it comes time on our podcast for [TS]

  us to to answer that musical question [TS]

  what are you reading [TS]

  dan what are you reading I am reading a [TS]

  dance with dragons actually because it's [TS]

  really long and it's taken me some time [TS]

  because i don't get as much opportunity [TS]

  to read as i would like so the latest [TS]

  george RR martin book i'm only like a [TS]

  couple hundred pages in I think there's [TS]

  like 800 that is gonna go or something [TS]

  out of desperation lobs it's yeah I I [TS]

  it's interesting so far although I a [TS]

  part of me feels like I'm reading it out [TS]

  of obligation [TS]

  I'm waiting for it to pick up the [TS]

  problem for me is also that I last read [TS]

  i read the previous book when it came [TS]

  out you know six years ago [TS]

  yeah we'll have to have a whole podcast [TS]

  on that book i just finished it myself I [TS]

  i had to go reread you know the [TS]

  wikipedia recap pages and everything [TS]

  like all right where were we in this [TS]

  massive story it's like people keep [TS]

  trying to convince me that the after [TS]

  robert jordan passed away the guy who [TS]

  took over writing wheel times like all [TS]

  those books are actually pretty good i'm [TS]

  like yeah but I stopped reading like [TS]

  halfway through that series which means [TS]

  there's like four or five books I gotta [TS]

  get through that are that you've already [TS]

  admitted to me are basically crap so yes [TS]

  all right enjoy it so far but looking [TS]

  for other interesting things to read [TS]

  anything else you've read recently I [TS]

  guess embassy town was the most recent [TS]

  yet before that i reread a classic the [TS]

  princess of mars edgar rice burroughs in [TS]

  preparation for there is a John Carter [TS]

  movie [TS]

  coming out next year i believe yesterday [TS]

  and I've never write about friday night [TS]

  lights in space [TS]

  I had never read any of his stuff and [TS]

  thought it interesting very reminiscent [TS]

  of course of the stuff of that era but [TS]

  interesting I i enjoyed it [TS]

  all right Scott what are you reading uh [TS]

  that is a good question i am reading the [TS]

  second book in this trilogy of the book [TS]

  is called the unincorporated war which [TS]

  is a sequel to a book called the [TS]

  unincorporated man and the next book of [TS]

  the trilogy is called the unincorporated [TS]

  woman who I know they love the word [TS]

  unincorporated and it's not sure they [TS]

  are they are they are they anti-business [TS]

  they are well it's an interesting that's [TS]

  an interesting question because uh so [TS]

  points I didn't mean for it to be but [TS]

  hey i love but sometimes that works out [TS]

  I so it's set in the future like maybe [TS]

  400 years into the future where it's [TS]

  kind of like a libertarian stream [TS]

  corporations run the galaxy one of the [TS]

  galaxy but the the star system and [TS]

  everyone when you're born you are [TS]

  incorporated so you have stock you have [TS]

  a ten i think a hundred thousand shares [TS]

  of stock in yourself and upon birth 5% [TS]

  of it is given to the government twenty [TS]

  percent of it is given to your parents [TS]

  and then the rest you can sell to on the [TS]

  open market and so people own staff can [TS]

  other people and the the whole system is [TS]

  based on whoever owns the majority in [TS]

  you gets to tell you what to do in [TS]

  general it's a corporation so they send [TS]

  you off to like Neptune or or whatever [TS]

  they want to do with as you do as you do [TS]

  and then so the people in this this time [TS]

  period want to earn enough money so they [TS]

  can have a majority of themselves and [TS]

  they can do whatever they want and [TS]

  through the in the first chapter of the [TS]

  unincorporated man there's a tunnel and [TS]

  there's this guy digging in this tunnel [TS]

  because that's his job because the [TS]

  tunnel company tumbling company owns hit [TS]

  the majority of his stock and it comes [TS]

  across this [TS]

  a black cube but he doesn't know what it [TS]

  is and turns out it's a cryogenic [TS]

  suspension to a thing and inside is a [TS]

  justin cord who is the unincorporated [TS]

  man he's from 350 years ago he comes [TS]

  into the system and he said he was a [TS]

  billionaire and so he makes some trouble [TS]

  and and hilarity ensues [TS]

  all right there m and sequel will be the [TS]

  unincorporated city limits explain [TS]

  enjoyed the the unincorporated dog to [TS]

  that's the kids but the unincorporated [TS]

  hey lyst rated man that's right see [TS]

  spots incorporate no see splice site [TS]

  paper add cilantro and a little [TS]

  recreation i'm holding off the limited [TS]

  liability man myself [TS]

  excellent but you it's good glad what [TS]

  are you reading [TS]

  what am I reading I can i mentioned a [TS]

  comic book series [TS]

  yes know that reading I'm yeah I'm a [TS]

  little bit behind insurance but it's not [TS]

  reading I've been sort of following the [TS]

  whole wheat on the podcast on the [TS]

  darkest night by this day decent comics [TS]

  arc green later and we happen real and [TS]

  over with discuss I kind of fell into it [TS]

  by getting some bound anthologies of I [TS]

  thought you already told us this one [TS]

  have you already mentioned this in [TS]

  another podcast this is a repeat when I [TS]

  just tightening I couldn't see how [TS]

  you're still realize 300 terrorists go I [TS]

  don't blackest night was all collected [TS]

  and I read it and thought it was [TS]

  slightly incomprehensible that sort of [TS]

  interesting and way too many colors the [TS]

  Green Lantern spectrum nonsense too many [TS]

  colors right that's my favorite review [TS]

  ever of green lantern my favorite your [TS]

  evergreen later too many colors the [TS]

  colors as it is green [TS]

  Oh car apparently I'm an idiot [TS]

  what are you some sort of unincorporated [TS]

  man haha i've also colorblind american [TS]

  martyrs in the DC Comics universe are [TS]

  afraid every color all great to me [TS]

  the Greatland it's emotion so you moved [TS]

  on from blackest night two brightest day [TS]

  to stay with the series ended i think it [TS]

  was an april and I've been reading with [TS]

  online comics so I don't think all the [TS]

  way I don't think many other day and [TS]

  date but they're not that far behind [TS]

  so i just finished so the 24 comic arc [TS]

  not sure I even read all of them and [TS]

  again it's a fascinating comes leaping [TS]

  across different books and there's dead [TS]

  man is always like the dead man [TS]

  character Boston brand the circus circus [TS]

  aerialist to dies shot and then has to [TS]

  sort of Rome is a ghost in the quantum [TS]

  leap like helping people to wind up you [TS]

  know somehow redeem his soul from [TS]

  Krishna the very interesting weird [TS]

  little character so he's that he's our [TS]

  hero antihero and it's a weird little [TS]

  story arc again it's like I'm not quite [TS]

  sure it's sort of Kwazii religious that [TS]

  gets very captain planet e and I don't [TS]

  know DC is now that after this requested [TS]

  this whole enormous multi-year arc and [TS]

  their bit blown up the universe with the [TS]

  with the reboot anyway so i have no idea [TS]

  what's going on the DC Comics universe [TS]

  at all [TS]

  alright but that's what I was reading [TS]

  but you're reading it well apparently [TS]

  yeah but after the end of you know what [TS]

  is the summer that everything changes [TS]

  everyone changes especially as again [TS]

  uh-huh Jason what are you reading thank [TS]

  you blend thanks for caring lied to her [TS]

  is it is a comic book haha not so I I've [TS]

  just finished a dance with dragons love [TS]

  so we can talk about that on a [TS]

  forthcoming podcast perhaps and I have [TS]

  next to me here in fact i have the wise [TS]

  man's fear by Patrick Rothfuss which I [TS]

  was complaining to my wife that it's out [TS]

  in hardcover and and it's huge and you [TS]

  know it's a thirty-dollar hardcover but [TS]

  the kindle version is even fifteen [TS]

  dollars and I thought I don't want to [TS]

  read it that badly and she said you know [TS]

  you could get it for free at the library [TS]

  hmm and so doctor today and the library [TS]

  copy of the wise man's fear is sitting [TS]

  right here so i guess i'm going to read [TS]

  a paper book guys and other people have [TS]

  touched it I'm right you should wear [TS]

  gloves [TS]

  it's heavy it's very happy I get paper [TS]

  cuts mostly human skin [TS]

  that's right yikes you can't see me [TS]

  cringe but i am and the other book that [TS]

  i read recently in July went to the last [TS]

  space shuttle launch in Florida nothing [TS]

  like Florida in July whoo yeah that's [TS]

  some humidity only and all the way there [TS]

  i read a memoir by a guy [TS]

  named Mike Mullane who is a shuttle [TS]

  astronaut called riding Rockets and it [TS]

  is a very forthright and humorous and [TS]

  somewhat dirty memoir of what it was [TS]

  like to be a space shuttle uh to be a [TS]

  Space Shuttle astronaut including how [TS]

  he's very open about the fact that he [TS]

  was he and several of his fellow [TS]

  athletes astronauts were sexist pigs to [TS]

  the first group of women astronauts and [TS]

  how in the end the women gave as good as [TS]

  they got and and educated many of these [TS]

  arrested development astronauts about [TS]

  what it was like to work with women in a [TS]

  professional environment so that's [TS]

  there's some good stuff in there last of [TS]

  about challenger because the the group [TS]

  of astronauts that he trained with [TS]

  included the Challenger astronauts and [TS]

  its really really great story a lot of [TS]

  fun mayara our friend and co-worker [TS]

  shall we McFarland actually recommended [TS]

  it to me and it's a quite good so riding [TS]

  Rockets by Mike Mullane was my little [TS]

  shot of nonfiction in amidst the dragons [TS]

  and and aliens that look like zorak from [TS]

  space ghost I i also read that astronaut [TS]

  book even even when you read nonfiction [TS]

  into that space [TS]

  exactly it's good stick to what you know [TS]

  that's what I'm trying I'm trying to be [TS]

  well-rounded and completely [TS]

  one-dimensional way [TS]

  are there any Zeppelin's anybody read [TS]

  anything with the Zeppelin's in it [TS]

  mmm-no i started watching Rocketeer [TS]

  night i was just wondering like there's [TS]

  applets I was recently in a few words [TS]

  that 1i was in a giant three regional [TS]

  had is set up 10 have original [TS]

  hand-drawn pictures of eight dirigible [TS]

  stored inside during world war 2i i have [TS]

  i was in the same digital hanger when [TS]

  you were i know a lot of time [TS]

  no we're different times in total luck [TS]

  or again I was watching you like that [TS]

  with three of its scary no knockers [TS]

  listening to some words that 1i was [TS]

  literally the future Zeppelin stalkers [TS]

  will be a good name for baby only thing [TS]

  that I am the only event only thing I [TS]

  came home from comic-con with that I [TS]

  paid for not sort of the here happen [TS]

  have [TS]

  great piece of crap is that contagious [TS]

  disease right now but it was very now [TS]

  the other you have the coldest free is a [TS]

  poster from a comic book of a schematic [TS]

  of a Zeppelin actually have an airship a [TS]

  rigid airship and I thought I walked up [TS]

  to the guy and I said I find your [TS]

  illustrations of Zeppelin's intriguing [TS]

  which is the first time I've ever said [TS]

  that to anybody but not the latter worst [TS]

  worst pickup line everything he said [TS]

  tell me more so I bought Zeppelin [TS]

  picture for five dollars and buy dollars [TS]

  that sheep that's why I know what's good [TS]

  for a Zeppelin picture those could go [TS]

  out of there usually go for licensed [TS]

  dollars six dollars [TS]

  yeah Florida comic-con are you now going [TS]

  to try and build your own Zeppelin she [TS]

  started using that as a model yes [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  using the comic-book schematic as a [TS]

  model i will build my own personal [TS]

  Zeppelin for actually my idea is that um [TS]

  what you do is you work a little like [TS]

  mini Zeppelin airbag thing into the roof [TS]

  of your car and then when you're stopped [TS]

  in traffic you present but I think [TS]

  inspector gadget and press the button it [TS]

  inflates you rise up above the traffic [TS]

  you turbofan pops out the back to go [TS]

  over the traffic jam back down on [TS]

  deflate and go that's just great until [TS]

  everybody's that's my invention [TS]

  how do you like and what do you think [TS]

  sirs we've got commercial sign [TS]

  yeah wars up so in the next year we need [TS]

  to make sure we read a book with [TS]

  Zeppelin's and it should be at least [TS]

  twenty percent more simply will always [TS]

  have that this is the longest I've ever [TS]

  been in a book club by the way really [TS]

  this is the only book overwritten it's a [TS]

  whole year and we occasionally don't [TS]

  read the same things and other times we [TS]

  do but so it's an odd book club is an [TS]

  odd book I don't think Oprah would [TS]

  approve [TS]

  I never thought about this book club [TS]

  before he/she called the book club [TS]

  everytime everytime when how many of [TS]

  these have you been on it accidentally [TS]

  at the book club [TS]

  it was all of an oversight which was the [TS]

  part that got away from you the book at [TS]

  the club [TS]

  this podcast is over thanks for [TS]

  listening thanks Scott Mykelti Glenn [TS]

  Fleischmann and angry and until next [TS]

  time when perhaps we will blend will [TS]

  realize he's in a book club done until [TS]

  value this is jason self being [TS]

  comfortable book club [TS]

  sign it off wait a second this is a book [TS]

  club [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  recording already recording recording [TS]

  tall going and I were synchronized [TS]

  podcast it's um yeah there's a lot of [TS]

  tiny little bits in German the beginning [TS]

  until he forgets to use them anymore [TS]

  about but you do you you just summarize [TS]

  a message on every town they don't use [TS]

  it its back and wherever she trained to [TS]

  be a mi pilot that's the German whatever [TS]

  reminds me there's a great bit of [TS]

  outside ok we should start anyway I [TS]

  don't have a quarter mine remind me to [TS]

  bring up the whole thing about required [TS]

  but the up-and-up it's a famous bit of [TS]

  recording out at famous bit of a of a [TS]

  more like precursor or science fiction [TS]

  mention ok not recording this is all off [TS]

  the record right all right [TS]

  my lawyers have advised me not to record [TS]

  oh dear well your yes if you try to [TS]

  record me my voice want my daughters to [TS]

  advise me never to repair this podcast [TS]

  again I'm an audio vampire you just [TS]

  don't listen to the lawyers to you can't [TS]

  do I think we lost Scott guys [TS]

  yeah yeah I got to bring him back he [TS]

  called didn't mean to interrupt the [TS]

  threadbare calls I mean I suddenly [TS]

  noticed we were we were down a man down [TS]

  a man perhaps he answer his door [TS]

  unwisely he's in the Emperor he didn't [TS]

  answer his door [TS]

  I did I am dead I don't know what [TS]

  happened is frustrating [TS]

  did you rip off your your your hearing [TS]

  limbs up all i'm about to rip off some [TS]

  hearing limbs did you guys catch the [TS]

  dawn of the dead reference in their [TS]

  other one last thing you would ever [TS]

  expect in a china mieville novel is a [TS]

  reference to George Romero's dawn of the [TS]

  dead that in this highfalutin novel they [TS]

  were watching basically a george [TS]

  romero's zombie movie film festival as [TS]

  they prepared for death and that little [TS]

  bit would I will say if you want to read [TS]

  a zombie book read this book instead of [TS]

  feed ya niggas out of hand wound for [TS]

  that well but the the guys after they [TS]

  rip off their little like your stocks [TS]

  they're kind of like zombies aren't they [TS]

  sort of very rational zombies though way [TS]

  better feed [TS]

  yeah I yes wow yeah that's the book i [TS]

  wouldn't want to I will maybe I do want [TS]

  to read it I haven't figured out yet [TS]

  I would much up speed and and uses it to [TS]

  grow things in your back yard line 8 [TS]

  while eating the seeds happy about that [TS]

  alright let's not let's not advocate [TS]

  destruction of books and well maybe a [TS]

  little bit of the library book you [TS]

  should return to your library that's if [TS]

  you share and recommend them if you [TS]

  purchase the perhaps you should also [TS]

  return it to your library that will [TS]

  confuse everyone [TS]

  no don't do that and if it's on your [TS]

  kindle do not throw away your kindle [TS]

  just delete the bullet didn't know [TS]

  descended to scott he'll take it from [TS]

  here before you said you're kidding i [TS]

  had a decent this dress stamped envelope [TS]

  to spot at the kindle whisper he can [TS]

  talk to it and get it you know [TS]

  click off the right I know he is loaded [TS]

  on you but it's ok it's ok there are [TS]

  other books out there people will be [TS]

  loaded on your forever huh [TS]

  so come on back [TS]

  it's ok we're all okay it's got his [TS]

  finger hovering over the permanent [TS]

  destruction button in its firmware gonna [TS]

  do it it's gonna jump in the story [TS]

  called out under the left 420 goon books [TS]

  think this is taking on a very strange [TS]

  it is really uncomfortable i can name [TS]

  that we were are you reading [TS]

  whoever jingle and no we don't we just [TS]

  have dan and I singing it badly [TS]

  separation totally different melody yeah [TS]

  okay yeah that's this is not a MTG [TS]

  podcast it's only been a year by the end [TS]

  of year to we'll all be dead but little [TS]

  jingle don't answer the don't answer [TS]

  your donated for the door entry door to [TS]

  the holder recording this recording is [TS]

  over [TS]