The Incomparable

46: I Like My Coffee Like My Evil Sith Lords


00:00:04   the constable test number four desserts [TS]

00:00:10   to 2011 [TS]

00:00:15   it's that time on the uncomfortable the [TS]

00:00:17   podcast that I never thought would [TS]

00:00:18   happen mostly because i'm not quite sure [TS]

00:00:19   that this isn't going to go on for the [TS]

00:00:22   next five hours but we're gonna give it [TS]

00:00:24   a shot we are going to talk finally [TS]

00:00:26   about Star Wars the original star wars [TS]

00:00:30   or four gigantic star wars nerds like [TS]

00:00:33   John siracusa star wars episode for a [TS]

00:00:35   new hope it's not as if we haven't [TS]

00:00:37   talked about star wars on the [TS]

00:00:39   incomparable in fact i think basically [TS]

00:00:41   every episode we talk about star wars in [TS]

00:00:43   some way or other but we're actually [TS]

00:00:45   going to dive in we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:46   about the original movie and joining me [TS]

00:00:49   today to discuss it are a group of Star [TS]

00:00:54   Wars aficionados I guess we we could say [TS]

00:00:56   the a4 mentioned John siracusa is here [TS]

00:00:59   hi John Jason dan more'n as well hello [TS]

00:01:03   Dan [TS]

00:01:04   thank you for having me Jason no it's [TS]

00:01:08   impossible [TS]

00:01:09   no that's the wrong movie Scott McNulty [TS]

00:01:12   hello hello [TS]

00:01:14   and Greg moss hello hello Greg [TS]

00:01:18   so star wars episode for a new hope my [TS]

00:01:24   favorite character is Captain Kirk [TS]

00:01:26   ah I like dr. Spock there's a button we [TS]

00:01:30   can press to keep people off the right [TS]

00:01:32   so start working out in 1977 and the [TS]

00:01:35   first thing I wanted to ask everybody [TS]

00:01:37   here knowing that's that several viewer [TS]

00:01:39   are quite a bit younger that I am is how [TS]

00:01:45   you you first experienced star wars [TS]

00:01:48   before we get into the movie itself and [TS]

00:01:49   how you heard about it what your [TS]

00:01:50   memories are but i think i should start [TS]

00:01:52   with the elder statesman of the podcast [TS]

00:01:55   by like three years but Greg moss Greg [TS]

00:01:58   where were you what tell us your [TS]

00:02:01   childhood star wars story my my life it [TS]

00:02:06   exists in into separate dimensions one [TS]

00:02:09   pre star wars and one post Star Wars it [TS]

00:02:12   was the transformative experience I I [TS]

00:02:16   wasn't nine years old when Star Wars was [TS]

00:02:18   released and I saw at nine times during [TS]

00:02:22   its initial theatrical run i was just [TS]

00:02:24   totally blown away by everything in it [TS]

00:02:27   was it was perfect [TS]

00:02:28   in every way and i still believe that [TS]

00:02:29   and I will argue it with anybody who [TS]

00:02:31   wants to that it is it remains perfect [TS]

00:02:34   despite its flaws [TS]

00:02:35   it is the Socratic ideal of what a [TS]

00:02:38   science-fiction movie should be so what [TS]

00:02:40   you're saying is even its flaws are part [TS]

00:02:42   of its reaction that exactly it would it [TS]

00:02:45   it is perfect because of its flaws all [TS]

00:02:48   right I was a six I guess when this [TS]

00:02:51   movie came out and i think i did see it [TS]

00:02:53   in the theater but I was I was pretty [TS]

00:02:55   young and I was a big star trek fan so I [TS]

00:02:57   was kind of a little offended by how how [TS]

00:03:00   much attention Star Wars God but in the [TS]

00:03:02   end even I broke down and learn to love [TS]

00:03:03   it [TS]

00:03:04   John syracuse what about you so you know [TS]

00:03:08   when you try to think about things that [TS]

00:03:10   happened in your childhood and like your [TS]

00:03:12   memory stops at a certain point you know [TS]

00:03:14   like usually most people can't remember [TS]

00:03:15   anything before they could talk [TS]

00:03:16   obviously all I have two things are like [TS]

00:03:19   that one of them is skiing [TS]

00:03:20   I can't remember ever not knowing how to [TS]

00:03:22   ski it's not like walking like people [TS]

00:03:24   don't remember before they could walk [TS]

00:03:25   right but most people if they learn to [TS]

00:03:27   ski and a child they can remember all I [TS]

00:03:29   didn't know how to ski and then I went [TS]

00:03:30   through a learning process and I learned [TS]

00:03:31   to see I have no memory of not only had [TS]

00:03:33   a ski the other one is I have no memory [TS]

00:03:35   of not having seen a new hope so [TS]

00:03:38   obviously I didn't see when it came out [TS]

00:03:40   because I was three I when they released [TS]

00:03:42   you know I was five and I really doubt [TS]

00:03:44   my parents took me to see it when I was [TS]

00:03:46   five but I have no memory of any time in [TS]

00:03:48   my life when I did not have an [TS]

00:03:50   encyclopedic knowledge of a new hope so [TS]

00:03:52   i'm assuming either my parents to come [TS]

00:03:54   you see it when i was 5 or I saw it on [TS]

00:03:56   VHS or something i have ever maybe we [TS]

00:03:58   running in the movie theater when I was [TS]

00:04:00   six or 7i have no idea when I first saw [TS]

00:04:03   this movie but i might as well been born [TS]

00:04:05   with it inside my head [TS]

00:04:06   well are you going to call it a new hope [TS]

00:04:08   for throughout this entire podcast [TS]

00:04:10   well I used to just called Star Wars I [TS]

00:04:12   definitely would not call it episode 4 [TS]

00:04:13   because the word episode has been [TS]

00:04:15   tainted by things that will not be [TS]

00:04:16   mentioned on this podcast let's just [TS]

00:04:17   agree to call it star worse than four no [TS]

00:04:19   way and you with the idea that it [TS]

00:04:20   doesn't refer to any other movie at this [TS]

00:04:22   BS because that was the the thing that I [TS]

00:04:25   called it you know until the second [TS]

00:04:27   movie came out and what everybody called [TS]

00:04:28   it and the episode thing was tacked on [TS]

00:04:30   later and hope it just is just good for [TS]

00:04:32   disambiguation at this point is you just [TS]

00:04:34   say Star Wars god knows what people are [TS]

00:04:35   thinking [TS]

00:04:36   ok so we're going to limit ourselves in [TS]

00:04:38   this as much as possible to just the [TS]

00:04:40   first movie so yeah [TS]

00:04:41   this for all those out there who are [TS]

00:04:43   wondering we're not going to talk about [TS]

00:04:44   anything Luke's father might be for [TS]

00:04:48   example [TS]

00:04:49   no I isn't he yes exactly so Dan Morgan [TS]

00:04:52   how about you what's your Star Wars [TS]

00:04:55   memory John kinda stole my line which is [TS]

00:04:57   saying that I i mean i was born in [TS]

00:04:58   nineteen eighty so I shortly before the [TS]

00:05:02   Empire came out and so I literally there [TS]

00:05:06   i did not exist in a time when there was [TS]

00:05:08   no stars my closest cousin Tim who is [TS]

00:05:11   was born in 77 actually can claim to [TS]

00:05:14   have seen it in utero since his pregnant [TS]

00:05:16   mother saw it but I did not have that [TS]

00:05:19   however i guess my my memory of its [TS]

00:05:22   really tied very closely to a lot of my [TS]

00:05:24   cousins because i feel like every time [TS]

00:05:26   they came in visited we would watch some [TS]

00:05:29   star wars movie on VHS but it's hard for [TS]

00:05:33   me to pin down kind of with that sort of [TS]

00:05:35   fuzziness of youth exactly when that was [TS]

00:05:37   I do know that i went to see a return [TS]

00:05:41   the Jedi in the theater my parents [TS]

00:05:42   picked me up from preschool so i must [TS]

00:05:44   have been four or five at that point and [TS]

00:05:47   I I knew what was going on so I must [TS]

00:05:49   have seen the first two movies prior to [TS]

00:05:51   that because i was really excited i [TS]

00:05:53   really wanted to go see the movie but [TS]

00:05:55   yeah it for me they're really there [TS]

00:05:58   really isn't a time there's there's no [TS]

00:05:59   way that I can remember not having seen [TS]

00:06:02   Star Wars Scott McNulty have you seen [TS]

00:06:05   Star Wars i have seen Star Wars for the [TS]

00:06:08   first time earlier tonight no that's not [TS]

00:06:10   true [TS]

00:06:10   uh-huh i living thing that pic button so [TS]

00:06:15   i was born in 1977 I was three months [TS]

00:06:18   old when a star wars KS came out and I [TS]

00:06:21   remember taking myself to the movie [TS]

00:06:22   theater and buying know my first Star [TS]

00:06:26   Wars related memory is doesn't actually [TS]

00:06:28   involve the movie but involves my [TS]

00:06:31   brother's Millennium Falcon he had the [TS]

00:06:34   Millennium Falcon toy which was awesome [TS]

00:06:36   and I have a very very clear memory of [TS]

00:06:41   the whatever that force or birthing that [TS]

00:06:44   Luke practices with the moon fell can [TS]

00:06:47   have a little one in it and for some [TS]

00:06:49   reason that fascinated me as a child [TS]

00:06:51   and then I think the first Star Wars [TS]

00:06:54   movie that I saw in a movie theater was [TS]

00:06:56   Return of the Jedi [TS]

00:06:57   I don't know and I don't recall ever not [TS]

00:07:00   knowing about Star Wars wow that's for [TS]

00:07:02   old people like me and Greg that's um [TS]

00:07:04   that's such a strange idea the idea that [TS]

00:07:07   star wars was always there [TS]

00:07:08   I have to think that it would be a [TS]

00:07:10   little disappointing having it always [TS]

00:07:12   around because you didn't get to [TS]

00:07:13   discover it didn't like up here you know [TS]

00:07:18   dawn but I i might argue that that as as [TS]

00:07:22   as your idea Greg that star wars a [TS]

00:07:24   Socratic ideal in some ways up hasn't it [TS]

00:07:27   always been there [TS]

00:07:28   we just didn't know it's been inside of [TS]

00:07:30   us it was inside the block of marble it [TS]

00:07:32   was a long time ago in a galaxy far far [TS]

00:07:34   away [TS]

00:07:35   you know I never had never discovered [TS]

00:07:36   star trek it was aight i have that same [TS]

00:07:39   feeling about that original Star Trek is [TS]

00:07:40   I have no memory of not knowing about [TS]

00:07:43   Star Trek and Captain Kirk mr. Spock so [TS]

00:07:45   i can i can relate to that and i would [TS]

00:07:48   argue that that I don't wanna know what [TS]

00:07:50   it was like to live in a world that [TS]

00:07:52   other artworks just makes me sad but it [TS]

00:07:55   was a very sad time I look back on with [TS]

00:07:57   huge fondness on seeing the movie for [TS]

00:07:59   the first time I mean I remember my [TS]

00:08:01   little nine-year-old brain was imprinted [TS]

00:08:03   with how jazzed i was walking out of the [TS]

00:08:05   theater get convinced that i was Luke [TS]

00:08:07   Skywalker until like you know caught [TS]

00:08:09   sight of myself in a mirror [TS]

00:08:11   sad trombone and was that your nickname [TS]

00:08:16   is your phone said revoke I feel the [TS]

00:08:19   same way about hitchhikers when i was [TS]

00:08:21   home sick one day and my mom brought [TS]

00:08:23   home a book from the library and turned [TS]

00:08:25   out to be hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

00:08:26   galaxy and that chop [TS]

00:08:28   I thought you were gonna say your mom [TS]

00:08:29   your mom brought home an attacker that [TS]

00:08:33   I've always had a great fondness for the [TS]

00:08:35   minute to change my life it was it was [TS]

00:08:38   rector Howard next week on a very [TS]

00:08:40   special episode of the incomparable good [TS]

00:08:42   men my mom brought home [TS]

00:08:46   got a lot of really fun memories of that [TS]

00:08:49   what we have really good amount of [TS]

00:08:51   course quickly here so you know but [TS]

00:08:54   that's that's good i mean i think i [TS]

00:08:56   think that's true that you have those [TS]

00:08:57   moments there the things that you sort [TS]

00:08:59   of swim in they were always there and [TS]

00:09:00   then you have those kind of regulatory [TS]

00:09:01   moments where you're like oh my god I [TS]

00:09:03   can't believe that instructors guide to [TS]

00:09:05   the galaxy is a good example although [TS]

00:09:07   the thing about books is usually old [TS]

00:09:09   enough you know you're old enough to [TS]

00:09:11   read and read books that are complex and [TS]

00:09:14   so you all those are always moments of [TS]

00:09:15   discovery wear something like a TV show [TS]

00:09:17   or movie you know you don't have to you [TS]

00:09:20   don't have to be old at all just to [TS]

00:09:21   watch it and start absorbing it and so [TS]

00:09:23   so it happens before that moment where [TS]

00:09:25   you you know have you your memories [TS]

00:09:27   beginning so it's just always movies and [TS]

00:09:29   TV are much more likely to music I [TS]

00:09:31   supposed to have always been there [TS]

00:09:33   that was what as I was watching star [TS]

00:09:36   wars that tonight to you know prepare [TS]

00:09:38   for the podcast [TS]

00:09:39   ah I thought to myself because you know [TS]

00:09:42   a lot of kids the movie is like the [TS]

00:09:43   perfect for the perfect movie for kids [TS]

00:09:45   it's very exciting but it begins [TS]

00:09:47   you have to read a bunch of stuff and a [TS]

00:09:50   and i imagine when it first was in the [TS]

00:09:53   movie theater a lot of parents reading [TS]

00:09:55   to their children with the the the [TS]

00:09:57   scroll says so that they can understand [TS]

00:09:59   what's going on my son who's just now [TS]

00:10:01   reading he he would he would shout at me [TS]

00:10:03   while we watch Star Wars read daddy read [TS]

00:10:05   it is that I demand to know what is the [TS]

00:10:08   only it's the only movie with subtitles [TS]

00:10:10   will get your kids to watch [TS]

00:10:11   I tried to get my daughter into Star [TS]

00:10:14   Wars a little bit too early and I tried [TS]

00:10:15   to explain to her that it was an [TS]

00:10:16   exciting movie that involved the [TS]

00:10:17   princess and robots and she was sorely [TS]

00:10:20   disappointed but then she liked to look [TS]

00:10:22   like a year later but you have to read [TS]

00:10:24   first I think there is something to that [TS]

00:10:26   you know not to say there there's a you [TS]

00:10:28   know it's very exciting beginning but [TS]

00:10:29   there's also i was thinking about the [TS]

00:10:31   fact that it takes so you know so long [TS]

00:10:33   to get to the arguably the protagonist [TS]

00:10:36   of the story like 15 minutes 15 minutes [TS]

00:10:38   in and you know that's kind of a long [TS]

00:10:41   time I think it struck me how this [TS]

00:10:43   compared to a modern movie in the way [TS]

00:10:47   that it's structured it isn't and that I [TS]

00:10:50   feel like a lot of I wonder if kids [TS]

00:10:52   today or people growing up in the area [TS]

00:10:54   of this like cut a second you know so [TS]

00:10:57   like speedy fast-paced [TS]

00:11:00   films would you know would be bored [TS]

00:11:02   sitting there as this unfolds and [TS]

00:11:05   graduates out to exactly a studio [TS]

00:11:07   executive today being like you know [TS]

00:11:08   what's all this stuff out about you know [TS]

00:11:10   at the beginning was just to the kind of [TS]

00:11:12   thing everything do we get to Luke [TS]

00:11:13   Skywalker I think it's genius where the [TS]

00:11:15   way they open with a bank because they [TS]

00:11:17   know there's gonna be this downtime of [TS]

00:11:18   like the guy on the farm and he's got a [TS]

00:11:20   loser and he's got a boring life they [TS]

00:11:22   know that's gonna be there so that the [TS]

00:11:23   movie opens for the bank gigantic [TS]

00:11:25   spaceship that you have never the way [TS]

00:11:27   you've never seen it before in your life [TS]

00:11:29   laser battles big dark guy in black [TS]

00:11:31   Chokin people like it starts the way [TS]

00:11:33   you're supposed to start you know then a [TS]

00:11:35   lot there's a low and it comes down but [TS]

00:11:37   at that point like what the hell was [TS]

00:11:38   that triangle ship dark dude you know [TS]

00:11:41   even better than that it helps I think [TS]

00:11:43   somatically because it establishes [TS]

00:11:44   Luke's place in the universe which is [TS]

00:11:46   pretty much zero until the story gets [TS]

00:11:48   going on compared to what we just saw [TS]

00:11:50   exactly thats and then suddenly you're [TS]

00:11:51   dealing with this farm boy and you know [TS]

00:11:52   you can go into the Campbell hoo-ha [TS]

00:11:55   about you know the journey of the hero [TS]

00:11:57   and all that but you want Luke to be [TS]

00:12:01   unimportant at the beginning you know [TS]

00:12:03   you not only that you don't even know [TS]

00:12:05   his last name until like halfway through [TS]

00:12:06   the movie it's Starkiller right [TS]

00:12:09   nice nice unassuming name for a farm boy [TS]

00:12:11   that killed stars whatever you know not [TS]

00:12:15   to go too much into the backstory but of [TS]

00:12:16   course I mean I believe the earlier of [TS]

00:12:18   you know there are several cut scenes [TS]

00:12:19   involving you know starting with Luke [TS]

00:12:23   seeing this battle in space and whatever [TS]

00:12:25   it being more leaving you know you start [TS]

00:12:27   out earlier with him and I think this is [TS]

00:12:31   I agree I agree that I think this is a [TS]

00:12:32   lot stronger as an opening as a [TS]

00:12:34   structure then then sort of a more [TS]

00:12:37   gradual like easing in would be but you [TS]

00:12:41   know i was just watching at the end of [TS]

00:12:43   the just watch the movie as well like [TS]

00:12:45   Scott and at the end it happened to flip [TS]

00:12:47   over to it was one of the additions that [TS]

00:12:49   has like an interview with George Lucas [TS]

00:12:50   afterwards like you know 10 minute thing [TS]

00:12:52   they were talking about like you know [TS]

00:12:55   the selling this idea as a movie in like [TS]

00:12:58   cow alan ladd at fox's like I don't know [TS]

00:13:00   what's going on here but i love it let's [TS]

00:13:01   do it [TS]

00:13:02   it's just like that struck me as as [TS]

00:13:04   amusing and the like I can imagine being [TS]

00:13:06   a lot to take in if you're not like you [TS]

00:13:07   know seven-year-old boy who loves this [TS]

00:13:09   stuff anyway [TS]

00:13:10   and there were no I'm [TS]

00:13:11   there was really no sci-fi movies that [TS]

00:13:12   they would have been 2001 yeah this is [TS]

00:13:15   really not in the same thing sci-fi [TS]

00:13:17   blockbuster summer blockbuster movie [TS]

00:13:20   which we take for granted today did not [TS]

00:13:21   really exist until this movie was [TS]

00:13:24   released so it was a tough sell and I [TS]

00:13:27   you know and as the documentary say was [TS]

00:13:29   that attention go there for a while one [TS]

00:13:33   of the things what we're talking about [TS]

00:13:34   the opening 15 minutes basically is [TS]

00:13:37   based on something that Greg said it was [TS]

00:13:39   Greg there's so many of you [TS]

00:13:42   the the spaceship that Princess Leia [TS]

00:13:44   spaceship the it's all like white walls [TS]

00:13:48   super clean and I find that really [TS]

00:13:50   interesting because after that you know [TS]

00:13:54   super bright like very future seems like [TS]

00:13:56   a very almost 60 is kind of an idea of a [TS]

00:13:59   spaceship and you know then the next [TS]

00:14:03   thing we know we're on Tatooine and it's [TS]

00:14:05   dirty and crappy and c3po is all beat up [TS]

00:14:08   and scratched and and I I was really [TS]

00:14:11   struck and watching it again by that by [TS]

00:14:14   that choice that we start out on this [TS]

00:14:18   kind of idealistic idealized future you [TS]

00:14:21   know spaceship and we're promptly kind [TS]

00:14:24   of kicked out of there and sit down on [TS]

00:14:25   this planet where you know with with [TS]

00:14:27   sand people and stuff you get you could [TS]

00:14:29   almost take it as a knock against [TS]

00:14:30   something like Star Trek or don't have [TS]

00:14:32   someone that have that very sterile [TS]

00:14:33   environment i love that's one of my [TS]

00:14:35   favorite things [TS]

00:14:36   the thing that that made this universe [TS]

00:14:38   resonate for me so much more than Star [TS]

00:14:40   Trek really ever has is that it's a [TS]

00:14:42   universe that feels lived-in it feels [TS]

00:14:45   used it's dirty it's not clean look at [TS]

00:14:48   the Jawa sandcrawler there's crap [TS]

00:14:49   everywhere there's wiring that's exposed [TS]

00:14:53   it's clearly been cobbled together I [TS]

00:14:54   mean something about that feels like [TS]

00:14:57   very homey into me maybe because I have [TS]

00:14:59   all these wires lying around my office [TS]

00:15:01   for and a Jawa even on the 10 24 like [TS]

00:15:05   even though we saw the white walls and [TS]

00:15:06   everything it's two seconds when you're [TS]

00:15:08   away from that scene when the layers [TS]

00:15:10   like you know hiding the data tapes and [TS]

00:15:12   reinvention like the engine room you [TS]

00:15:13   know it's like more now it's dark and [TS]

00:15:15   looks like it's more like a working type [TS]

00:15:16   thing and the escape pod looks like a [TS]

00:15:18   big mess of you know pipes and tubes it [TS]

00:15:20   does not look like a sleek silver [TS]

00:15:22   capsule you know so you know that's like [TS]

00:15:24   the [TS]

00:15:25   normal area of that ship and its [TS]

00:15:26   color-coded white so you know that [TS]

00:15:27   they're the good guys you know unlike [TS]

00:15:28   the bad guys ship is all have black [TS]

00:15:30   floors and gray ceilings and everything [TS]

00:15:32   as soon as you get out off the main [TS]

00:15:34   hallway even on the good guys ship it [TS]

00:15:35   looks like you know a bunch of machinery [TS]

00:15:37   and automatically it it continues i mean [TS]

00:15:41   the there are the rich people and [TS]

00:15:43   they're the bad guys and they're the [TS]

00:15:45   only ones who are clean other [TS]

00:15:47   technologies new their technology is [TS]

00:15:49   polished you know and everybody else is [TS]

00:15:51   making do with what they can because the [TS]

00:15:54   Empire has crushed everybody they've [TS]

00:15:58   really cornered the market on blinking [TS]

00:15:59   lights around those little black boxes [TS]

00:16:02   with wheels that roll around on their [TS]

00:16:04   own man i want one of those when I was a [TS]

00:16:06   kid that was that was like my favorite [TS]

00:16:08   thing was the little boxes that one [TS]

00:16:10   around like I want to romance reveals [TS]

00:16:11   mankind's if around the droid sound and [TS]

00:16:14   we re watching this I realized how [TS]

00:16:16   useless most of the droids are I cannot [TS]

00:16:19   understand any of them do they just walk [TS]

00:16:21   around aimlessly and they're lost their [TS]

00:16:24   could phase it but it's all dried as a [TS]

00:16:26   clear purpose in case anyone remember [TS]

00:16:28   all of your protocol needs r2 unit is a [TS]

00:16:31   is a Swiss Army knife of we really why [TS]

00:16:34   don't they just replace them all with r2 [TS]

00:16:36   unit seems like those guys are the best [TS]

00:16:38   because then who would translate for [TS]

00:16:40   them because always speak is beep boop [TS]

00:16:42   you think that just because you have to [TS]

00:16:44   look at your x-wing screen understanding [TS]

00:16:46   it is it is the only flaw in the r2 [TS]

00:16:48   design would anyone need to talk to [TS]

00:16:51   these and just make a beep yeah I can't [TS]

00:16:54   we could actually fit the voice unit [TS]

00:16:56   into there is just so crammed full of [TS]

00:16:57   like welding tools we have to leave a [TS]

00:17:00   space so someone can cram data tapes in [TS]

00:17:02   here every universe needs its comic [TS]

00:17:04   relief and it's a I feet British comic [TS]

00:17:08   relief yeah that's what I was gonna say [TS]

00:17:09   i I've heard people refer to c-3po is [TS]

00:17:12   sort of this effeminate effeminate gay [TS]

00:17:15   robot my thought no he's just English [TS]

00:17:17   that's a legit the word you're looking [TS]

00:17:21   for is prissy yeah no he's just english [TS]

00:17:24   is an English robot don't you understand [TS]

00:17:26   what would a gay robot involved [TS]

00:17:27   I wonder who built c-3po laughs we'll [TS]

00:17:30   never get the incident now that's he's [TS]

00:17:31   was manufactured sure that there's [TS]

00:17:34   vertical thousands of others like him [TS]

00:17:35   alright would anyone build a protocol [TS]

00:17:37   enjoyed themselves like in their garage [TS]

00:17:39   or something in fact when we first see [TS]

00:17:40   him there's another one just like him [TS]

00:17:42   with a slightly different decks silvery [TS]

00:17:44   Sheen right behind him and of course he [TS]

00:17:46   has the mismatch leg too [TS]

00:17:48   wow that's good knowledge so we meet [TS]

00:17:53   Princess Leia very briefly and she [TS]

00:17:54   recorded the famous hologram that help [TS]

00:17:57   me obi-wan Kenobi you're my only hope [TS]

00:17:59   and we see that's a nice touch that we [TS]

00:18:01   see her recording it from afar c-3po [TS]

00:18:05   sees her recording it and then later we [TS]

00:18:06   we get the playback but you know Carrie [TS]

00:18:10   Fisher interesting hairstyle she has it [TS]

00:18:13   i had to bring it up its alien it is [TS]

00:18:18   nanak it is it looks delicious [TS]

00:18:21   I guess in a minivan will see is [TS]

00:18:23   interesting it's dumb [TS]

00:18:27   it's your brother she had forehead [TS]

00:18:31   makeup mr. star trek I would in fact you [TS]

00:18:34   know in in the seventies I could think [TS]

00:18:36   of worse hairstyles to have and in and [TS]

00:18:39   movie made in the late seventies exactly [TS]

00:18:41   couldn't like Farrah Fawcett feathered [TS]

00:18:43   enough Saturn to have would have been [TS]

00:18:46   weird to you when you watch this movie [TS]

00:18:48   do you get any sense of you know the [TS]

00:18:52   seventies correct encroaching in or does [TS]

00:18:54   it feel a little more time less than [TS]

00:18:56   that [TS]

00:18:56   almost none like maybe Luke's hair but [TS]

00:18:59   almost none of the seventies is any [TS]

00:19:00   right argue that the the filmmaking of [TS]

00:19:03   it feels like the seventies to me [TS]

00:19:05   I mean I guess there's lots of parts of [TS]

00:19:08   it would feel what I feel like a [TS]

00:19:09   throwback to earlier times though you [TS]

00:19:10   know that the wipes and stuff like that [TS]

00:19:12   that Lucas uses that are clearly [TS]

00:19:13   revoking you know the serials from like [TS]

00:19:15   the thirties but there's a couple it's [TS]

00:19:18   just struck me in early on that there's [TS]

00:19:20   a couple things in there that are a [TS]

00:19:21   little feel a little off-kilter for for [TS]

00:19:24   example the scene where r 2 is working [TS]

00:19:26   his way through the canyon we get a [TS]

00:19:27   couple POV shots from the job was point [TS]

00:19:30   of view and they're very unsteady like [TS]

00:19:33   you know like their film like with a [TS]

00:19:34   handheld or something like that and that [TS]

00:19:35   to me almost seems like it seems a [TS]

00:19:38   little rough and a little edgy or [TS]

00:19:40   something that might be more like [TS]

00:19:41   seventies I feel like camera angles [TS]

00:19:42   these days are very often very you know [TS]

00:19:45   cut-and-dried in terms of what they [TS]

00:19:46   attempt to do but isn't isn't that [TS]

00:19:48   invoking the fact that you're being [TS]

00:19:51   looking at him rather than absolutely i [TS]

00:19:53   just don't think that I don't think that [TS]

00:19:54   modern filmmaking would do that I feel [TS]

00:19:56   like that was something that I mean [TS]

00:19:58   Lucas you know obviously he was a film [TS]

00:19:59   student he was exposed to a lot of these [TS]

00:20:02   other you know sort of on guard stuff [TS]

00:20:03   and stuff that was going on in the [TS]

00:20:05   seventies I just feel like I mean I'm [TS]

00:20:06   not criticizing it i think i think it's [TS]

00:20:08   good i better not be easy [TS]

00:20:10   ok i just think i just think it's it's [TS]

00:20:13   sort of indicative of it as a seventies [TS]

00:20:15   film in the way that it was body like it [TS]

00:20:18   doesn't feel like the seventies at all [TS]

00:20:19   to me [TS]

00:20:20   I mean it I realize I'm totally over the [TS]

00:20:22   hedge on this but it feels just as [TS]

00:20:25   modern today it could be released today [TS]

00:20:27   with some of the hairstyle exceptions [TS]

00:20:29   and everything would look in you some of [TS]

00:20:32   the set of special-effects I'm glad they [TS]

00:20:35   go but don't ever go back and correct [TS]

00:20:36   that yes that's good but it did [TS]

00:20:39   everything about it feels totally [TS]

00:20:41   timeless when you get especially when [TS]

00:20:43   compared to even like THX which feels [TS]

00:20:45   really really seventies to me you've [TS]

00:20:49   actually seen THX yes why haven't you [TS]

00:20:52   know why would I it sounds terrible but [TS]

00:20:56   I'm holding out for the sequel THX 1 39 [TS]

00:21:02   39 yeah I've reinforced to 1137 of them [TS]

00:21:09   so I'm start with THX one so when we're [TS]

00:21:14   on Tatooine moving ahead sort of [TS]

00:21:15   chronologically here talking about the [TS]

00:21:17   Jawas and they're spying are our little [TS]

00:21:19   droid friends and and and then we meet [TS]

00:21:22   Luke Skywalker our hero along with his [TS]

00:21:26   aunt and uncle Owen and Beru that's 15 [TS]

00:21:30   minutes in we have semantic you an [TS]

00:21:33   interesting an interesting setting and [TS]

00:21:36   the thing that I remember most actually [TS]

00:21:38   from when I was a kid is that scene of [TS]

00:21:41   Luke watching the two sons set over [TS]

00:21:43   tattooing III that was burned into my [TS]

00:21:45   brain when I was six years old when i [TS]

00:21:47   watch that movie more than anything else [TS]

00:21:49   just so so striking a scene to make you [TS]

00:21:52   realize what you're watching that they [TS]

00:21:53   were on an alien planet and I got a note [TS]

00:21:56   about that is that like I know they do [TS]

00:21:58   location shooting for modern movies and [TS]

00:22:01   it's the but when they show that scene [TS]

00:22:03   there like you [TS]

00:22:04   you tell that they're there in Tunisia [TS]

00:22:06   and the sun is actually setting right [TS]

00:22:08   and if you like today if they were doing [TS]

00:22:10   that scene either would be you know I [TS]

00:22:12   can Vancouver or LA or something or they [TS]

00:22:15   would just do it on blue-screen and have [TS]

00:22:16   like they do that this guy in the sun's [TS]

00:22:18   with CG because it's like more dramatic [TS]

00:22:20   and I can draw whatever they want but [TS]

00:22:21   for the scene they had to get look out [TS]

00:22:23   there during sunset in Tunisia and [TS]

00:22:25   haven't stand there and shoot him and it [TS]

00:22:27   was a little bit windy and it just it [TS]

00:22:29   works how much better than I can go [TS]

00:22:31   ahead and that's so much better as well [TS]

00:22:32   if you were still in modern techniques [TS]

00:22:34   and I know for the movies that we won't [TS]

00:22:35   mention they were actually in Tunisia [TS]

00:22:36   for them too but it's just something [TS]

00:22:38   about modern filmmaking but they don't [TS]

00:22:39   wanna they don't want to take the time [TS]

00:22:41   to get that shot or they would be [TS]

00:22:42   annoyed that shop is it was too much [TS]

00:22:43   wind looks hair was going into space or [TS]

00:22:45   something that you know or if your GI [TS]

00:22:49   they don't overdo it [TS]

00:22:50   yeah they you know they do the cg sons [TS]

00:22:52   we could they just took two sons and [TS]

00:22:53   overlaid an optically and both of them [TS]

00:22:55   look like the Sun and it's not you know [TS]

00:22:57   there's not a lens flare is not rings [TS]

00:23:00   around the Sun with a meteor shooting [TS]

00:23:01   through the corner you know anything [TS]

00:23:03   yeah they have have a big you know moon [TS]

00:23:05   up there with a ring around it kind of [TS]

00:23:07   hanging in the corner just say we're [TS]

00:23:09   cool [TS]

00:23:09   I i think that touches upon something [TS]

00:23:11   that makes this such a great film and [TS]

00:23:13   again you know part of this was it [TS]

00:23:15   constraints freed creativity you know [TS]

00:23:17   they only had a certain number of [TS]

00:23:18   techniques to work with and they were [TS]

00:23:19   busy inventing like pretty much every [TS]

00:23:21   sort of technique they could think of [TS]

00:23:22   but everything in this film seems much [TS]

00:23:26   more real to me than almost any other [TS]

00:23:29   film i feel like i've seen and it's just [TS]

00:23:32   because you know some of those things [TS]

00:23:34   are there real you can tell that it's a [TS]

00:23:36   tangible object even if the sandcrawler [TS]

00:23:38   is like a scale model it's a real thing [TS]

00:23:41   right [TS]

00:23:42   it's an object they were artists working [TS]

00:23:43   on that painting these little details [TS]

00:23:45   you know and it feels real as a result [TS]

00:23:48   of that in a way that that as advanced [TS]

00:23:51   as it's gotten you know computer [TS]

00:23:53   graphics never feel like they always [TS]

00:23:55   seem alien to me they always seem just a [TS]

00:23:57   little bit out of place [TS]

00:23:58   I mean whether that's just the way the [TS]

00:24:00   light hits it or something you know I [TS]

00:24:01   think that there's just something that [TS]

00:24:03   hasn't been a they have been able to [TS]

00:24:04   duplicate and so the thing that strikes [TS]

00:24:07   me you know and in the way that I think [TS]

00:24:08   greg was saying that this is sort of [TS]

00:24:10   timeless is that it doesn't it's amazing [TS]

00:24:12   to me how dated it does not feel given [TS]

00:24:15   you know given its age and I think it a [TS]

00:24:18   lot of that can be chalked up to the [TS]

00:24:19   fact that these emphasis on these these [TS]

00:24:21   real effects things like optical effects [TS]

00:24:23   or model building or stuff like the [TS]

00:24:25   costuming all that stuff some of the [TS]

00:24:27   matte paintings weren't great they're [TS]

00:24:28   like most likely spaceport and now when [TS]

00:24:30   I see matte paintings nowadays it takes [TS]

00:24:32   a really good matte painting to not make [TS]

00:24:34   me go out like this in that painting [TS]

00:24:36   because every now they just used for [TS]

00:24:37   backgrounds but this is one of the [TS]

00:24:38   things on watching this in the modern [TS]

00:24:40   era especially if you're watching and [TS]

00:24:43   the one that wasn't even cleaned up the [TS]

00:24:45   original run of this head effects that [TS]

00:24:46   now we looked at we like we'd be like [TS]

00:24:48   jeez guys aren't afraid about the mat [TS]

00:24:50   lines i mean the mat lines were just [TS]

00:24:52   really bad but even just stuff like the [TS]

00:24:54   the you know that paintings on glass [TS]

00:24:57   they look fine but they look like [TS]

00:24:59   paintings on glass and I I would never [TS]

00:25:01   trade them for I mean there's definitely [TS]

00:25:03   there are definitely rough edges i mean [TS]

00:25:05   the one that always strikes me going [TS]

00:25:06   back and watching star wars as opposed [TS]

00:25:08   to empire and Jedi is Vader is somewhat [TS]

00:25:12   is a little bit less imposing to me in [TS]

00:25:14   this one and a couple that's a [TS]

00:25:15   combination with a couple of x1 you can [TS]

00:25:17   kind of see through the eyes and the [TS]

00:25:19   master i feels like you lose something [TS]

00:25:20   and two they don't do nearly as good a [TS]

00:25:23   job either with james earl jones voice [TS]

00:25:26   or sinking it up with what the what [TS]

00:25:28   David Rosen doing it the audio looping [TS]

00:25:31   in general is not great at anything I [TS]

00:25:33   always notice in Darth Vader especially [TS]

00:25:35   early on is I guess the peaks really [TS]

00:25:38   fast he speaks really fast like they [TS]

00:25:40   have a mistimed it or they change the [TS]

00:25:42   dialogue and then they gave it to James [TS]

00:25:43   Earl Jones misses really i need to read [TS]

00:25:46   all of this right there and so you know [TS]

00:25:47   I took her away to take her [TS]

00:25:49   oh you're part of the lines of the table [TS]

00:25:51   take away hey that's a run-on sentence [TS]

00:25:54   yeah it doesn't it already baby there'll [TS]

00:25:56   be no one to stop us this time he's got [TS]

00:25:58   a boss to that I think the other thing [TS]

00:26:00   is he's got a boss right Tarkin target [TS]

00:26:03   is in charge of Darth Vader which you [TS]

00:26:06   know later [TS]

00:26:07   Darth Vader's the guy right there's the [TS]

00:26:09   Emperor and their stars Vader but Miss [TS]

00:26:11   it's like Peter Cushing is like Vader [TS]

00:26:13   enough like really the plot reason for [TS]

00:26:15   that you know yes I know but still it's [TS]

00:26:17   it's almost people go away the second [TS]

00:26:19   movie he's got a he's got a boss so it's [TS]

00:26:21   just it sees a lot less imposing when [TS]

00:26:23   there's like a general who's in charge [TS]

00:26:24   of him i think that works better [TS]

00:26:27   I [TS]

00:26:27   minutes it it's a progression for [TS]

00:26:29   innovators well you'd better get in his [TS]

00:26:31   own ship and flies you haven't seen [TS]

00:26:33   singing that level in later movies but [TS]

00:26:34   that's what happens when all your bosses [TS]

00:26:36   explode [TS]

00:26:37   he's got a chauffeur and later movies [TS]

00:26:38   supposed to send commander Riker to do [TS]

00:26:40   all that stuff right so can we can we [TS]

00:26:43   get a shout-out for peter cushing who I [TS]

00:26:45   think is one of the one of the two [TS]

00:26:47   performances in this that I think really [TS]

00:26:49   really elevate is great with him in a [TS]

00:26:51   lacuna sorry-assed they just bring a [TS]

00:26:53   class to this like because i was gonna [TS]

00:26:55   say Kenny Baker Eddy's great time we're [TS]

00:26:59   not being around the guy who plays wedge [TS]

00:27:01   Denis Lawson Ewan McGregor's we're [TS]

00:27:04   actually ok anyways but I was gonna say [TS]

00:27:07   both peter cushing analogous are so [TS]

00:27:08   they're such professionals you know you [TS]

00:27:10   can tell and like guinness famously did [TS]

00:27:13   not really like making star wars but you [TS]

00:27:16   can't tell that from his performance [TS]

00:27:18   because he's such a professional is like [TS]

00:27:19   you know I don't understand what the [TS]

00:27:21   hell's going on here I don't want the [TS]

00:27:22   lines are they sound like ridiculous but [TS]

00:27:23   you know what I'm going to this i was [TS]

00:27:25   paid to do this is my job i'm going to [TS]

00:27:27   do the best damn job I can he does not [TS]

00:27:29   sleepwalk through this he delivers a [TS]

00:27:30   fantastic performance holy love Kenobi [TS]

00:27:33   will be left [TS]

00:27:38   now that's a name I've not heard in a [TS]

00:27:41   long long time [TS]

00:27:46   I think my uncle knows he said he was [TS]

00:27:48   dead [TS]

00:27:49   no he's not dead yet [TS]

00:27:53   you know of course i know it is me when [TS]

00:27:58   I haven't come by the name will be when [TS]

00:28:03   in school with all you look pushing [TS]

00:28:05   likewise was no no stranger to hockey [TS]

00:28:08   you know horror movies and science [TS]

00:28:10   fiction movies but also is just great [TS]

00:28:13   and like menacing and and you know again [TS]

00:28:17   you can't I don't think you can poke a [TS]

00:28:18   hole in either of those performances [TS]

00:28:20   well it helps that they're playing next [TS]

00:28:21   two amateurs and makes them look even [TS]

00:28:23   better right because at this point [TS]

00:28:24   Carrie Fisher really doesn't know what [TS]

00:28:25   she's doing her accent comes and goes [TS]

00:28:28   and she changes her mind from seen Luke [TS]

00:28:30   you know I mean it's not bad but he's [TS]

00:28:33   not there cal but these are two young [TS]

00:28:34   actors we're playing opposite these guys [TS]

00:28:37   who could who could do this in their [TS]

00:28:38   sleep and don't you know so it by [TS]

00:28:42   comparison they stand out in this movie [TS]

00:28:44   princess lianna before your execution i [TS]

00:28:48   would like you to be my guest at a [TS]

00:28:49   ceremony that will make this battle [TS]

00:28:51   station operational [TS]

00:28:53   no star system will be opposed the input [TS]

00:28:55   on now [TS]

00:28:56   the more you tighten your grip talk the [TS]

00:28:59   more star systems will slip through your [TS]

00:29:00   fingers [TS]

00:29:01   not after we demonstrate the power of [TS]

00:29:03   this dish in a way you have the term in [TS]

00:29:07   the choice of the planet will be [TS]

00:29:09   destroyed first since you are reluctant [TS]

00:29:12   to provide us with the location of the [TS]

00:29:14   rebel base I have chosen to test this [TS]

00:29:16   stations destructive power on your home [TS]

00:29:19   planet of Alderaan I know this piece but [TS]

00:29:23   we have no weapons you can work without [TS]

00:29:24   another target of visibility target then [TS]

00:29:27   name the system all that said I will I [TS]

00:29:30   will defend to the death to our Eunice [TS]

00:29:32   you know just fantastic actor no matter [TS]

00:29:34   what you put in [TS]

00:29:35   oh ya know this and it is it is a good [TS]

00:29:37   performance remember there are in [TS]

00:29:39   watching it back there are a few moments [TS]

00:29:40   where I i could sort of sense that he's [TS]

00:29:43   like really stuff [TS]

00:29:45   ok I'll just I'll just say it but in [TS]

00:29:47   general it's a great performance and I [TS]

00:29:51   know that Alec Guinness later you know [TS]

00:29:53   at the end of his life was really tired [TS]

00:29:55   of talking about Star Wars and didn't [TS]

00:29:57   feel like it was you know really worth [TS]

00:29:59   talking about compared to some of the [TS]

00:30:00   other things that he did but he [TS]

00:30:01   certainly brought credibility to this [TS]

00:30:03   movie in a way that you know if the if [TS]

00:30:06   he and pushing weren't in it I think [TS]

00:30:08   you're right Dan you know think he just [TS]

00:30:11   has a lot of weight he has a lot of [TS]

00:30:13   gravitas to the to the movie and you [TS]

00:30:15   have to take it more seriously than you [TS]

00:30:16   might otherwise take it [TS]

00:30:18   yeah otherwise it would be just a bunch [TS]

00:30:20   of kids yeah i mean like he was so good [TS]

00:30:22   he was one of the things that like entry [TS]

00:30:24   you know intrigue me to go watch him and [TS]

00:30:26   other things you know that's not [TS]

00:30:28   necessarily the case for Mark Hamill [TS]

00:30:30   that didn't happen with Marc and Jesse [TS]

00:30:31   coordinate summer a Corvette summer is a [TS]

00:30:33   great movie but hey i have i have some [TS]

00:30:36   my incomparable trivia related to a [TS]

00:30:37   lagunas when i bought the domain of the [TS]

00:30:40   original intent was going to be for a [TS]

00:30:43   little web game originally called the [TS]

00:30:45   incomparable sean bean and they would [TS]

00:30:48   search you would search google for [TS]

00:30:50   actors names that had been labeled [TS]

00:30:52   incomparable and whoever got the highest [TS]

00:30:55   would win that particular round and we [TS]

00:30:58   keep a running list of the incomparable [TS]

00:31:00   whomever and Alec Guinness had the [TS]

00:31:02   highest rating of anybody we could find [TS]

00:31:04   when we're doing that and that's because [TS]

00:31:06   it is impossible to compare him [TS]

00:31:08   yes so that the reason the reason that [TS]

00:31:11   this that we have the domain being comp [TS]

00:31:13   bullies is in part because of a lagunas [TS]

00:31:15   because he is the definition of [TS]

00:31:17   uncomfortable on so long i'm captain the [TS]

00:31:23   millennium fawlcon [TS]

00:31:24   Chewie here tells me you're looking for [TS]

00:31:26   passage to the Alderaan system is indeed [TS]

00:31:29   if it's a fast ship fast ship you've [TS]

00:31:33   never heard of the Millennium problem [TS]

00:31:34   should i have it's the ship that made [TS]

00:31:37   the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs [TS]

00:31:39   so people complained a lot about the the [TS]

00:31:42   the 12 parsecs thing I always the one [TS]

00:31:44   and there are plenty of you know later [TS]

00:31:46   explanations which i won't go into [TS]

00:31:47   somewhat of a huge yard but my favorite [TS]

00:31:50   you know simple explanation is I just [TS]

00:31:51   always took that seen as as as Han [TS]

00:31:54   trying to snow i'm a bit and if you [TS]

00:31:56   watch the Guinness his expression after [TS]

00:31:59   he says that is just this perfect like [TS]

00:32:02   it narrows his eyes he looks at him you [TS]

00:32:04   look like uh huh yeah whatever and I [TS]

00:32:08   just I always loved that little it's a [TS]

00:32:10   little moment it's a little moment that [TS]

00:32:12   makes you think like oh maybe maybe [TS]

00:32:14   solos just trying to like screw it up a [TS]

00:32:16   bit to see how much they actually know [TS]

00:32:18   like whether they he can take him for a [TS]

00:32:20   ride or whatever and and you know [TS]

00:32:21   obi-wan's being like now I know what [TS]

00:32:23   you're talking about [TS]

00:32:24   he confirms that right afterwards but [TS]

00:32:25   these guys must really be desperate [TS]

00:32:26   right that's it that's going over there [TS]

00:32:28   I think that's one of my favorite things [TS]

00:32:30   in the entire movie is that when they [TS]

00:32:31   leave in hunts now we're left with Han [TS]

00:32:33   Solo we don't follow that we stay with [TS]

00:32:35   han Solo and he's like wow those guys [TS]

00:32:37   you totally just print you realize this [TS]

00:32:38   guy is a rogue and that felt very modern [TS]

00:32:42   to me also [TS]

00:32:43   that's that's the kind of scene where [TS]

00:32:44   you know we're not just dealing with the [TS]

00:32:46   text that the subtext is there it you [TS]

00:32:49   know they they're making it clear to the [TS]

00:32:51   audience that this guy is a is a kind of [TS]

00:32:53   a con man or a scoundrel [TS]

00:32:56   seventeen thousand those guys was really [TS]

00:32:59   be desperate [TS]

00:32:59   this can really save my neck get back to [TS]

00:33:01   the ship already you know cuz he can we [TS]

00:33:04   meet hot solo he's like who it is a [TS]

00:33:07   smuggler we these units we've already [TS]

00:33:10   seen several people be dismembered in [TS]

00:33:11   this bar who knows what will be next and [TS]

00:33:14   that shows him as a vulnerable person [TS]

00:33:15   too because I mean he has he he's all [TS]

00:33:18   bluster and confidence when he's talking [TS]

00:33:20   to them and of course he's got the whole [TS]

00:33:21   thing with Guido but when he's just [TS]

00:33:23   talking to Chewie he's just you know [TS]

00:33:25   he's like me and you he's got it [TS]

00:33:26   concerns and Morgan is desperate right [TS]

00:33:28   and that's basically i mean later movie [TS]

00:33:31   they'll develop his character more in [TS]

00:33:32   that regard but if he was just the [TS]

00:33:34   cowboy was just i'm han Solo and I'm a [TS]

00:33:36   big macho guy that's not his character [TS]

00:33:37   at all it's it's the two halves and even [TS]

00:33:39   in the very first movie and it's very [TS]

00:33:40   first scenes they established that you [TS]

00:33:42   can tell a nerd because if they come out [TS]

00:33:44   of Star Wars complaining that a parsec [TS]

00:33:46   is it is a measure of distance and not a [TS]

00:33:48   measure of time it's like they came out [TS]

00:33:50   of this star trek reboot saying a giant [TS]

00:33:53   red reptile wouldn't evolve on an ice [TS]

00:33:55   planet that it will they come out with [TS]

00:33:58   that complaint of the first thing on [TS]

00:34:00   their lips then then you know you are [TS]

00:34:01   among profound and deep nerds and if [TS]

00:34:05   they're super nerds they will tell you [TS]

00:34:07   that it's because the castle system is [TS]

00:34:09   full of black holes and therefore you [TS]

00:34:10   try to turn the shower the shortest [TS]

00:34:12   route through it all that's red car and [TS]

00:34:15   could be an astronaut you have to charge [TS]

00:34:16   the shortest distance through as many [TS]

00:34:18   many explanations that involve [TS]

00:34:19   rationalize I just like i like i like [TS]

00:34:21   the con man and when in reality is just [TS]

00:34:23   the George Lucas doesn't know what he's [TS]

00:34:24   talking about this time let's stick with [TS]

00:34:27   the conman angle that's my favorite [TS]

00:34:29   spice mines of Kessel right yeah yeah [TS]

00:34:33   they're too casual restaurants on the [TS]

00:34:34   movie [TS]

00:34:35   yeah I hope they have sandworms on [TS]

00:34:37   Castle that would be good [TS]

00:34:38   they've gotten interested to sell our [TS]

00:34:40   flight but the biggest commodity for [TS]

00:34:42   trade is the spices just like it was on [TS]

00:34:44   earth in the 15th century [TS]

00:34:45   yes or in dune I'm telling you no [TS]

00:34:49   special spice the different kinds but [TS]

00:34:51   she was the one that didn't get to be in [TS]

00:34:53   the group anymore huh scary spice and i [TS]

00:34:55   realize i miss the next generation [TS]

00:34:57   podcast but my favorite piece about the [TS]

00:34:59   about three hours back story was that [TS]

00:35:02   her like planet was known for its rape [TS]

00:35:04   gangs yes that that was their major [TS]

00:35:06   export was rape gangs yeah [TS]

00:35:08   the entire planet following that they're [TS]

00:35:10   really good [TS]

00:35:11   who's buying it there was a severe trade [TS]

00:35:13   deficit going until she hears planet so [TS]

00:35:17   we talked about about Han Solo hey you [TS]

00:35:21   know the this is where we have the [TS]

00:35:23   classic cantina scene you know that was [TS]

00:35:35   that was so i remember when i was young [TS]

00:35:37   i remember there being a buzz about that [TS]

00:35:39   scene amongst the adults are like the [TS]

00:35:41   media or whatever that the cantina scene [TS]

00:35:43   was like the that you know the highlight [TS]

00:35:45   of this movie I guess it's because you [TS]

00:35:48   know the adults were like wow look at [TS]

00:35:50   all these crazy aliens but i don't [TS]

00:35:52   remember being that impressed with it as [TS]

00:35:54   a child and it certainly hasn't grown in [TS]

00:35:56   stature it's a bunch of guys with masks [TS]

00:35:58   on and I mean it works fine in the movie [TS]

00:35:59   does what it's supposed to do but it was [TS]

00:36:01   not as not a special effects [TS]

00:36:03   tour-de-force it was not particularly [TS]

00:36:04   you know important to the plot that they [TS]

00:36:06   were always there [TS]

00:36:07   that's just the setting for seams [TS]

00:36:09   between the characters as a as a small [TS]

00:36:11   child I will tell you what impressed me [TS]

00:36:13   most about that scene the bloody arm [TS]

00:36:15   oh yeah yeah that's just the action [TS]

00:36:18   happening out it was also a gold mine [TS]

00:36:21   for licensing I i think i had a [TS]

00:36:23   hammerhead and that of course what was [TS]

00:36:25   we all know that keep that kept George [TS]

00:36:27   Lucas in business [TS]

00:36:28   that's the wrong arm on the Florida of [TS]

00:36:30   course and of course otherwise they [TS]

00:36:32   would probably cauterize the wound [TS]

00:36:34   Oh nerdiness I don't know that [TS]

00:36:37   Mythbusters has to do that because I [TS]

00:36:38   think the it would not cauterize it will [TS]

00:36:41   spend enough time in contact with the [TS]

00:36:42   parts that has to colorize doesn't [TS]

00:36:44   because hand isn't bleeding and like a [TS]

00:36:46   later movie when these things happen [TS]

00:36:47   asleep discovering also swings the [TS]

00:36:50   lightsaber much faster in the cantina [TS]

00:36:52   its alien blood whatever little they cut [TS]

00:36:54   off the arm of the guy who speaks the [TS]

00:36:57   who doesn't speak the language and not [TS]

00:36:59   his friend who says we're wanted men [TS]

00:37:02   incidentally that is the best skit in [TS]

00:37:04   the robot chicken star what is anybody [TS]

00:37:06   that it about what the two of them are [TS]

00:37:08   actually doing at the bar jeep onda I [TS]

00:37:10   just don't see how you can keep [TS]

00:37:11   designing with no drawing arm or work or [TS]

00:37:14   oral [TS]

00:37:15   I'm sorry but we have to let you go [TS]

00:37:18   and i recommend highly both of those [TS]

00:37:22   robot chicken star wars episodes [TS]

00:37:23   although it does it does is their third [TS]

00:37:26   yes [TS]

00:37:27   oh man okay well I'm gonna go down like [TS]

00:37:29   that that it has completely changed how [TS]

00:37:33   I view star wars now because honestly I [TS]

00:37:35   can't watch the scene where we're wanted [TS]

00:37:37   men and the guy gets his arm cut off [TS]

00:37:38   without thinking of the poor architect [TS]

00:37:40   who drawing with his life I could still [TS]

00:37:42   draw with my left [TS]

00:37:43   it's just I can't not if you think about [TS]

00:37:46   it i can't think of a little mouse [TS]

00:37:47   that's driving the little black robot [TS]

00:37:49   box on the floor and get scared when [TS]

00:37:50   Chewbacca else Adam I can't stop [TS]

00:37:53   thinking of all the jokes because those [TS]

00:37:55   are made by people who've seen the movie [TS]

00:37:56   you know fifty or a hundred times just [TS]

00:37:58   like all of us except and i'm sure you [TS]

00:38:00   guys do as you know as I do like I had [TS]

00:38:03   you know my good friend Evan who I was [TS]

00:38:05   like Star Wars fanatics with me and we [TS]

00:38:07   will watch these movies like weekend we [TS]

00:38:10   got used to do Star Wars trivia on AOL [TS]

00:38:12   that metal datos but nobody else would [TS]

00:38:16   and it was just you know of course you [TS]

00:38:21   develop you see it so many times you [TS]

00:38:22   develop all these little in jokes and [TS]

00:38:24   you know lines about about the [TS]

00:38:26   ridiculous things going on in these [TS]

00:38:28   movies in the back stories of these tiny [TS]

00:38:30   little characters it's all I mean the [TS]

00:38:31   funny thing about this movie and most [TS]

00:38:33   these movies especially this movie file [TS]

00:38:35   other than the cantina scene [TS]

00:38:38   are there any aliens any warehouse it's [TS]

00:38:41   all chewy chips are all aliens Jason on [TS]

00:38:44   the morrow yeah and I ok long time ago [TS]

00:38:47   but to say they kind of blew their whole [TS]

00:38:50   costuming budget on that onesie [TS]

00:38:52   yeah there's the job was early on and [TS]

00:38:54   the and cheerleaders very little [TS]

00:38:56   it's imagine a young will be on that [TS]

00:38:57   guy's masks but only in a bar i believe [TS]

00:39:02   the Federation is a homo sapien club [TS]

00:39:04   there's also i'm sorry wrong wrong but [TS]

00:39:06   also they walk into the bar and they get [TS]

00:39:08   we get instant racism right from serve [TS]

00:39:11   your kind here kind welcome here [TS]

00:39:13   I like they have a robot detector but [TS]

00:39:15   why would droids go to bars i don't [TS]

00:39:17   understand different oil is like bender [TS]

00:39:20   on futurama their power by cool they [TS]

00:39:23   have to they have to you know sold their [TS]

00:39:25   masters drinks for them also we learned [TS]

00:39:28   that the correct way to I'm order a [TS]

00:39:30   drink at a bar is to read [TS]

00:39:32   Josh the bartender of different [TS]

00:39:33   especially you that's right that's what [TS]

00:39:35   I try to gently actually I do one of the [TS]

00:39:37   things i noticed this time because i was [TS]

00:39:38   a little watching my laser disc version [TS]

00:39:40   i had the volume turned up whatever he [TS]

00:39:41   does bumble what can I have one of those [TS]

00:39:43   but it's really quiet [TS]

00:39:45   hey mister mister i like that because [TS]

00:39:47   he's it's the first time he's been in a [TS]

00:39:49   bar he doesn't know what the protocol is [TS]

00:39:50   you gotta water blue milk if he had his [TS]

00:39:53   protocol droid with him [TS]

00:39:54   yes exactly both know dammit that's what [TS]

00:39:59   he would have been useful it's so sad [TS]

00:40:01   and then so then at the end of the scene [TS]

00:40:03   han Solo is confronted to defy Greedo [TS]

00:40:07   what greater was like as a kid anyway it [TS]

00:40:12   so we can talk about it now other than [TS]

00:40:15   to say that one of the things we learned [TS]

00:40:18   about Han Solo is that into in addition [TS]

00:40:21   to being a roegan kind of desperate he [TS]

00:40:24   is willing when threatened by Greedo to [TS]

00:40:27   shoot grito before Greedo shoots him [TS]

00:40:30   right little cowboy western kind of [TS]

00:40:33   scene exactly it's a few on he unblocked [TS]

00:40:36   unbuttons his his holster in fact under [TS]

00:40:40   the table it's such a really behavior [TS]

00:40:43   that makes sense and it shows that he's [TS]

00:40:44   not tied to an honor system where he's [TS]

00:40:47   not like a white knight he's not going [TS]

00:40:48   to say i wanna honorably do you know it [TS]

00:40:50   will show you under the table [TS]

00:40:52   yeah although he will pay for the mess [TS]

00:40:55   and then then I on returns to the the [TS]

00:41:01   Millennium Falcon and I believe there [TS]

00:41:04   was a scene there that got cut out so [TS]

00:41:06   that's where there was a scene there [TS]

00:41:09   where they were going to put in jabba [TS]

00:41:11   the hutt but they decided not to and so [TS]

00:41:13   we sure that seems most intimidating [TS]

00:41:14   that Irish guy playing yeah I'm sure [TS]

00:41:17   surely we can just leave that seen [TS]

00:41:18   Sydney Greenstreet as Jabba the Hutt [TS]

00:41:20   speaking of cutting out scenes I want to [TS]

00:41:22   get this before when you're talking [TS]

00:41:23   about the seventies influence one part [TS]

00:41:25   where I see the seventies is in the it [TS]

00:41:26   not the fact that we're on on you know [TS]

00:41:29   that this planet with this farm boy for [TS]

00:41:31   a while but the pacing of that section [TS]

00:41:32   is very 77 tease they were not in a [TS]

00:41:35   hurry so it seems like you spent a [TS]

00:41:36   really long time just kind of wandering [TS]

00:41:38   through is a farm boys going into town [TS]

00:41:40   has been nobody won the side thing with [TS]

00:41:42   the job was it just takes its time like [TS]

00:41:44   they're not enough [TS]

00:41:45   re and that's very much like a lot of [TS]

00:41:47   seventies movies where they were like [TS]

00:41:49   action-packed when you saw them but if [TS]

00:41:50   you go back and watch them like go back [TS]

00:41:51   and watch mean streets or something [TS]

00:41:53   you're like boy they you know they were [TS]

00:41:55   not in a hurry to get to the next scene [TS]

00:41:56   where that right well that's the whole [TS]

00:41:58   generation of directors [TS]

00:41:59   I I dancing is very very very fast at [TS]

00:42:02   other points that this one thing struck [TS]

00:42:04   me watching it all yet picks up that it [TS]

00:42:06   picks up to it by the end of the movie [TS]

00:42:08   and just got you if you're instantly [TS]

00:42:09   fast [TS]

00:42:10   yeah that's amazing having a movie [TS]

00:42:12   that's not going 90 miles an hour from [TS]

00:42:13   the opening scene [TS]

00:42:15   yeah you know that's that's what people [TS]

00:42:16   like about the seventies movies you know [TS]

00:42:18   that that style facing something that [TS]

00:42:19   reminds me of the seventies that they [TS]

00:42:21   did right you know movies back then just [TS]

00:42:23   did it wasn't like this was a leisurely [TS]

00:42:25   pace this was par for the course you [TS]

00:42:27   know if anything this movie was [TS]

00:42:29   different in the it cranked up the speed [TS]

00:42:31   at the end and sort of you know you have [TS]

00:42:33   brought on the whole idea of like a look [TS]

00:42:34   at me crank up the speed and intensity [TS]

00:42:36   you know people like that so let's just [TS]

00:42:38   do a whole movie like that and that of [TS]

00:42:39   course doesn't work but that was sort of [TS]

00:42:41   the outcome of this it helps the [TS]

00:42:44   structure a little bit i think this is [TS]

00:42:46   in many ways at you know it is act one [TS]

00:42:49   of a story and it kind of doesn't have [TS]

00:42:51   an end and we'll get to the ending but [TS]

00:42:53   that is working for it in some ways to [TS]

00:42:56   that it's going to lay out the world and [TS]

00:42:57   introduce all the characters and then [TS]

00:42:59   the action starts but I mean we were [TS]

00:43:01   about to get as we walk through the plot [TS]

00:43:04   here get on the millennium falcon for [TS]

00:43:06   the first time [TS]

00:43:07   yeah and for we've been talking for [TS]

00:43:09   quite a while now but there's a lot that [TS]

00:43:10   happens and it does take its time to get [TS]

00:43:12   there before we get on the on the ship [TS]

00:43:15   and and you know i'm i'm i'm aight lobby [TS]

00:43:19   for I was thinking about this earlier [TS]

00:43:22   you mentioned about favorite characters [TS]

00:43:24   and I feel like it's hard to it's hard [TS]

00:43:25   to pick a favorite character but i might [TS]

00:43:26   actually lobby for the Millennium Falcon [TS]

00:43:27   is my favorite character nerd [TS]

00:43:31   wow it's a man who did not want a [TS]

00:43:34   millennium fawlcon wanted to notice only [TS]

00:43:36   characterized through a han because of [TS]

00:43:38   Han wasn't on it is not as if the thing [TS]

00:43:40   has a computer voice like it or you know [TS]

00:43:41   it's missing characters really isn't for [TS]

00:43:44   that's what i want to see I want to see [TS]

00:43:47   ability Williams and michael william [TS]

00:43:50   daniel daniels in night falken that's [TS]

00:43:53   what i want to say anything and I would [TS]

00:43:54   watch that ship lads at turbo boost [TS]

00:43:58   their coming out [TS]

00:43:58   driving you know I I think I'm my other [TS]

00:44:01   I mean you know the argument make and I [TS]

00:44:02   think this is a larger point was i think [TS]

00:44:06   there's something really impressive [TS]

00:44:07   about the number of characters of the [TS]

00:44:08   don't talk intelligently in this movie [TS]

00:44:12   and yet how much those characters convey [TS]

00:44:14   and in particular I mean our to [TS]

00:44:15   obviously but also to Ibaka who I think [TS]

00:44:17   is a is a he's legitimately i think one [TS]

00:44:20   of my favorite characters [TS]

00:44:21   regardless of the fact that he does not [TS]

00:44:23   speak any intelligible words in three [TS]

00:44:25   movies and that's because you still get [TS]

00:44:29   an idea of who he is you know you still [TS]

00:44:31   get an idea of his character later on [TS]

00:44:34   you know you see it being like that [TS]

00:44:35   despite the fact being this big [TS]

00:44:36   tough-looking guy and he's very scary at [TS]

00:44:38   times he still freaks out the thing in [TS]

00:44:40   the garbage compactor right like you [TS]

00:44:42   know I think there's there's enough [TS]

00:44:44   going on there that I i really like him [TS]

00:44:46   to care and he doesn't get subtitle just [TS]

00:44:48   like r2d2 doesn't get subtitled which is [TS]

00:44:50   something which is actually move I mean [TS]

00:44:52   like that's that [TS]

00:44:53   yeah i think i like you would have a [TS]

00:44:55   hard time selling that today [TS]

00:44:57   well that's how you get them to say [TS]

00:44:58   things that you couldn't stay in a [TS]

00:44:59   pg-rated movie because you know what [TS]

00:45:01   that you can imagine what they're saying [TS]

00:45:02   based on the people's reaction to them [TS]

00:45:04   and basically get all that both of them [TS]

00:45:05   are free to say horrible things and [TS]

00:45:07   essentially curse without have I want to [TS]

00:45:10   actually do so I don't think r2d2 would [TS]

00:45:12   curse all you have that that's what that [TS]

00:45:14   really low [TS]

00:45:14   I sound is trusting so that lets we were [TS]

00:45:18   up to the water up to the mass murder [TS]

00:45:20   now [TS]

00:45:22   basketball is a peaceful planet we have [TS]

00:45:27   no weapons seriously now we have danced [TS]

00:45:30   on the whole planet is like this one [TS]

00:45:32   it's locked in a box i didn't we use [TS]

00:45:34   butter knives to cut our meat that's [TS]

00:45:36   right the so Alderaan I don't know if [TS]

00:45:40   anybody has anything to say here i think [TS]

00:45:41   this is one of those interesting [TS]

00:45:42   interesting parts of the movie where [TS]

00:45:44   where we get a little demonstration of [TS]

00:45:46   the Death Star and and they decide hey [TS]

00:45:49   will blow up a planet there's a there's [TS]

00:45:51   a great piece out there on the internet [TS]

00:45:53   on a blog called overthinking it where [TS]

00:45:54   they talk about the economy of of the [TS]

00:45:57   Empire i believe and they talk about i [TS]

00:45:59   think that's what I think it's not [TS]

00:46:00   overthinking and they talk about this is [TS]

00:46:02   how much how much economic impact you [TS]

00:46:04   have on the Empire if you destroy [TS]

00:46:07   presumably what's a fairly high level [TS]

00:46:10   industrial planet and where [TS]

00:46:11   it was cost-effective to destroy [TS]

00:46:13   Alderaan entire I mean they destroyed [TS]

00:46:16   the planet that that's major export was [TS]

00:46:17   peace and thus descended into civil war [TS]

00:46:20   but they kept the rape gang Quinn that [TS]

00:46:22   overthinking thing didn't just [TS]

00:46:23   overthinking it but I mean it over [TS]

00:46:25   played the opposing view because as the [TS]

00:46:28   overthinking it peace eventually got to [TS]

00:46:29   it's it's it's terrorism it's just as an [TS]

00:46:32   example of its cementing your power [TS]

00:46:33   through fear and economic impact of it [TS]

00:46:35   pales compared I mean they say that [TS]

00:46:37   yeah here will keep the systems in line [TS]

00:46:39   yeah right exactly was that like this [TS]

00:46:41   but i want to have got the piece is [TS]

00:46:43   really funny and trying to try to put in [TS]

00:46:45   a context but it's absolutely it is is [TS]

00:46:47   we don't need the Senate really we just [TS]

00:46:49   need them to realize that if they ever [TS]

00:46:51   oppose us we will just blow up the [TS]

00:46:53   planet at all the way that scene is also [TS]

00:46:56   notable for the the appearance and [TS]

00:46:58   disappearance of layers inexplicable [TS]

00:47:00   accent her English it is it because [TS]

00:47:02   English its I really any English very [TS]

00:47:05   early on and i totally you know what I [TS]

00:47:06   think that totally escaped me on almost [TS]

00:47:08   every other prior viewing but this time [TS]

00:47:10   for some reason when she first comes in [TS]

00:47:12   on the you know the first scene with her [TS]

00:47:14   entire log I was like she using a [TS]

00:47:17   british accent and there's like [TS]

00:47:19   Madonna's British accent it's not a real [TS]

00:47:20   British she's speaking in the [TS]

00:47:22   ambassadorial yes she's a freakin sense [TS]

00:47:25   and she's speaking in the vernacular of [TS]

00:47:28   diplomacy you know using a particular [TS]

00:47:31   accent and then that goes away when she [TS]

00:47:32   becomes a rebel yeah but IDK doing so [TS]

00:47:35   can you explain the French accent yeah [TS]

00:47:39   oh yes I else and you a good attacking [TS]

00:47:41   IM supplies anything you want because [TS]

00:47:43   and never underestimate the podcast that [TS]

00:47:47   bank and working his French accent and [TS]

00:47:49   my proudest moment as a father is [TS]

00:47:51   related to the destruction of Alderaan [TS]

00:47:53   okay but how my eldest son [TS]

00:47:57   upon seeing the movie a few times but he [TS]

00:48:00   says hey when they blew up Alderaan [TS]

00:48:02   wouldn't she become queen and i have [TS]

00:48:07   never considered that off my favorite [TS]

00:48:09   queen of my friend for my it is that uh [TS]

00:48:11   is that if i don't know if anybody else [TS]

00:48:13   has listened to the star wars radio [TS]

00:48:15   dramas which are actually quite good but [TS]

00:48:18   there's there's that that infamous line [TS]

00:48:19   of course where where Luke tries to [TS]

00:48:21   convince hon to go after the princess it [TS]

00:48:23   says [TS]

00:48:24   bitch and in upon the radio to actually [TS]

00:48:27   point out [TS]

00:48:27   well she was Richard all dread but it's [TS]

00:48:29   not there anymore [TS]

00:48:30   our money is on and money was an account [TS]

00:48:33   don't have the money on the minded the [TS]

00:48:35   Galactic Bank in PL crowns on the planet [TS]

00:48:38   that's the the capital city your capital [TS]

00:48:40   planet the Empire whatever its name is I [TS]

00:48:42   guess we'll never know now [TS]

00:48:45   yeah Imperial center something like that [TS]

00:48:47   but but still I mean it's quite a [TS]

00:48:49   shocking thing and this is the this is [TS]

00:48:50   the point where you realize you know why [TS]

00:48:52   the Death Star's here and they blow up [TS]

00:48:54   an entire planet that's quite gets kind [TS]

00:48:56   of bold these Empire guys are not [TS]

00:48:58   messing around that's right they don't [TS]

00:48:59   kid around and it's good for our kids [TS]

00:49:02   movie where she gives in to the threats [TS]

00:49:05   like we're going to blow up your planet [TS]

00:49:06   you gotta tell us she tells them and [TS]

00:49:08   when your kid you're like oh she told [TS]

00:49:09   him to save our planet and they [TS]

00:49:10   immediately blow it up which is not a [TS]

00:49:12   complicated didn't she was lying and she [TS]

00:49:15   does realize that's what happens when [TS]

00:49:17   you like kids but to a little kid that [TS]

00:49:18   was fairly shocking the plan because we [TS]

00:49:20   all know it wasn't tortured does not [TS]

00:49:23   produce accurate information enhanced [TS]

00:49:26   interrogation the the sound design [TS]

00:49:29   yeah when they're cranking up the Death [TS]

00:49:31   Star I remember it just it just rattled [TS]

00:49:34   me in my seat [TS]

00:49:35   the low hum as they don't bounce the [TS]

00:49:39   beam around inside whatever they're [TS]

00:49:41   doing when it when it starts cranking up [TS]

00:49:43   they were commenced and groom [TS]

00:49:44   recognition [TS]

00:49:45   yes thank you thank you can wait in [TS]

00:49:48   general though the sound design it is [TS]

00:49:49   fantastic i mean i think you know Ben [TS]

00:49:51   Burtt seriously deserves a shout-out for [TS]

00:49:53   all the work that's done we have because [TS]

00:49:55   it's and that is some of the you know [TS]

00:49:57   it's just phenomenal the stuff that he [TS]

00:49:59   comes up with this stuff that like it's [TS]

00:50:02   always fascinating if you were watching [TS]

00:50:03   the behind-the-scenes stuff to see how [TS]

00:50:05   we came up with all these sounds from [TS]

00:50:07   these like ordinary objects that exist [TS]

00:50:09   in our world and then taking them and [TS]

00:50:10   distorting them and combining them into [TS]

00:50:12   something that's unrecognizable yet at [TS]

00:50:15   the same time fits perfectly like chewy [TS]

00:50:19   you know it seems like his voice seems [TS]

00:50:22   right for him the blasters sound like [TS]

00:50:24   right from what we would you know think [TS]

00:50:26   of as blasters the lightsabers you know [TS]

00:50:28   it all just seems to fit with you know [TS]

00:50:30   the objects they're portraying and yet [TS]

00:50:32   these are sounds that are you know [TS]

00:50:33   totally unrecognizable you know from our [TS]

00:50:36   reality [TS]

00:50:37   and it's not just like that the sounds [TS]

00:50:39   they pick it's it's the fact that they [TS]

00:50:42   decided that certain things needed sound [TS]

00:50:43   at all that is the big thing with the [TS]

00:50:45   soundscape this moving out the music but [TS]

00:50:47   the soundscape is that you know when it [TS]

00:50:49   comes time to say okay we're gonna have [TS]

00:50:50   people shooting a gun obviously you know [TS]

00:50:51   that has to make a sound and even like [TS]

00:50:53   that they'll desktop has to make a sound [TS]

00:50:54   but they add sounds in places where the [TS]

00:50:56   movies didn't have any sound ever [TS]

00:50:57   whatsoever in the biggest one I see is [TS]

00:50:59   that whenever there's a piece of [TS]

00:51:00   machinery on the screen [TS]

00:51:03   they have a sound of that machinery and [TS]

00:51:04   operation and the sound is different [TS]

00:51:05   from the person inside the missionary to [TS]

00:51:08   the person outside so this for example [TS]

00:51:09   the x-wing [TS]

00:51:10   when you're inside the x-wing this [TS]

00:51:12   constant background high-pitched hum and [TS]

00:51:14   they're saying that's the sound of the [TS]

00:51:15   x-wing running and of course when you're [TS]

00:51:17   outside it in space with no sound [TS]

00:51:18   whatever there's a different sound of [TS]

00:51:20   each of the neck but machinery in this [TS]

00:51:23   universe makes noise when it's running [TS]

00:51:24   this like your lawnmower make noise when [TS]

00:51:26   it's ryan doesn't sound like your lawn [TS]

00:51:27   mower but that but if any machinery is [TS]

00:51:28   running there is a constant background [TS]

00:51:30   noise and that adds tremendously to me [TS]

00:51:33   when you're a little kid you know when [TS]

00:51:34   you're in a car the car makes noise so [TS]

00:51:36   when he's in his x-wing you can hear the [TS]

00:51:37   x-wing running you the sound of the [TS]

00:51:38   machine is there it really makes [TS]

00:51:40   everything feel much more rebound of [TS]

00:51:41   turning tractor beams off like it being [TS]

00:51:43   dirty as well [TS]

00:51:45   yeah just like visually all the machines [TS]

00:51:47   are dirty because you [TS]

00:51:49   yeah exactly it's a riddle lived in [TS]

00:51:50   universe when I was a cheese I must have [TS]

00:51:55   been ten just a few years after i made [TS]

00:51:56   the discovery that if you take two [TS]

00:51:58   double A batteries hold them loosely at [TS]

00:51:59   the base and bang them together they [TS]

00:52:01   sound just a little like lightsabers and [TS]

00:52:04   and so I spend 40 50 60 hours doing that [TS]

00:52:08   so [TS]

00:52:09   autumn autumn fall come a day off is [TS]

00:52:12   when we get our first introduction into [TS]

00:52:14   the force and then it's a mystical [TS]

00:52:16   magical wonderful thing that is [TS]

00:52:19   everywhere all around us and blue and [TS]

00:52:21   put a little too technically we go out [TS]

00:52:24   before they left but hey he will do [TS]

00:52:27   wheeler or whether some of that well i'm [TS]

00:52:29   thinking we wanted Ben Ben breaks him in [TS]

00:52:31   and when he's at his house at ben's [TS]

00:52:32   house and add the forces and mystical [TS]

00:52:35   and he lies to him to about maybe about [TS]

00:52:38   well maybe about his father in theory [TS]

00:52:43   certain point of view [TS]

00:52:44   thank you John R i'm thinking of Luke's [TS]

00:52:49   for first we get the dead [TS]

00:52:51   the chats with the Ray Harryhausen and [TS]

00:52:53   stop motion animation animated chest [TS]

00:52:55   guys right but working with my kiddos [TS]

00:52:59   Laver one of my favorite things let the [TS]

00:53:01   wookie that whole lakes that whole [TS]

00:53:02   exchange is great stories don't pull [TS]

00:53:05   people's arms out of theirs [TS]

00:53:07   did they reverse the film there in terms [TS]

00:53:09   of you know the perspectives when they [TS]

00:53:12   were to win [TS]

00:53:12   jubak is taking his arms down from [TS]

00:53:15   behind his head [TS]

00:53:16   they just seem to fall awfully fast the [TS]

00:53:19   seventies they had trouble with film [TS]

00:53:21   speed they were still cranking it by [TS]

00:53:22   hand i think that's it you talk about [TS]

00:53:25   the the some of the places where the [TS]

00:53:27   special effects look just off and like [TS]

00:53:31   the Millennium Falcon leaving most [TS]

00:53:32   isolate always look like a really bad [TS]

00:53:34   Matt to me even when I was young and [TS]

00:53:36   Chewbacca taking his hand down from [TS]

00:53:38   behind his head looks artificial I never [TS]

00:53:41   noticed that when the sandpeople thrust [TS]

00:53:43   their little Spears up and down that I I [TS]

00:53:46   never realized that that's just like a [TS]

00:53:47   half a second film played forward and [TS]

00:53:49   backward a couple of times yeah that had [TS]

00:53:51   no idea that you need in the ending [TS]

00:53:53   scene with the with the space battle [TS]

00:53:55   there's a couple clips to get reused in [TS]

00:53:57   there too but it's I would still say [TS]

00:53:58   they're really use fewer clips than a [TS]

00:54:01   much later movie like for example top [TS]

00:54:02   gun which we use air combat footage like [TS]

00:54:04   crazy to an annoying degree that's what [TS]

00:54:07   you found annoying about the elephant [TS]

00:54:08   even something that had a limited budget [TS]

00:54:10   yep yeah and the mix were training but [TS]

00:54:14   the homoerotic subtext is perfect [TS]

00:54:16   that was the best part about on the [TS]

00:54:18   danger zone I mean what a song [TS]

00:54:20   Oh Kenny Loggins wherefore art thou [TS]

00:54:24   wow finally catalog incident involved in [TS]

00:54:26   so now we probably have an attitude of [TS]

00:54:30   the Opera ya inside of the star wars [TS]

00:54:33   episode we were we finally got into what [TS]

00:54:35   we wanted to talk about from real [TS]

00:54:36   witches topcoat it's you know Star Wars [TS]

00:54:38   is really a riddle wrapped in a mystery [TS]

00:54:39   wrapped inside top gun so the other [TS]

00:54:43   thing that happens on the Millennium [TS]

00:54:44   Falcon is is Luke wears a helmet with [TS]

00:54:48   the blast shield down and gets shot in [TS]

00:54:50   the butt by a laser from a floating ball [TS]

00:54:52   thing with spikes on it as you do i [TS]

00:54:56   would like to know what a practical use [TS]

00:54:57   of that blast shield is because [TS]

00:54:59   seriously if you throw away from slabs [TS]

00:55:01   and you have a time to put a completely [TS]

00:55:03   opaque piece of [TS]

00:55:04   metal over the front of your face it's I [TS]

00:55:06   don't know it's free welding cheese this [TS]

00:55:09   for well it's a completely opaque [TS]

00:55:12   yeah when you don't need to see what [TS]

00:55:14   your well-being and why did he have that [TS]

00:55:16   thing [TS]

00:55:17   it depends on how bright the blast is [TS]

00:55:19   nothing if you put the word blast in [TS]

00:55:21   front of everything anything it can make [TS]

00:55:23   this a futuristic it's just like my [TS]

00:55:24   heart to order the guys you're writing [TS]

00:55:26   it and saying what's that thing has [TS]

00:55:27   gotten from his case on i'll call a [TS]

00:55:29   blast shield that was my George Lucas [TS]

00:55:30   impression floating spiky blast ball you [TS]

00:55:34   need a blast shield in case you get hit [TS]

00:55:36   by a turbolaser but i think the keys the [TS]

00:55:39   key part of the scene on the Millennium [TS]

00:55:40   Falcon other than once again having the [TS]

00:55:43   sound of the inside of the money back on [TS]

00:55:45   the outside which we can all hear in [TS]

00:55:46   your head now and know that that's the [TS]

00:55:47   sound of the mine Falcon but anyway the [TS]

00:55:49   key scene there i think is the Han [TS]

00:55:52   expressing skepticism about the force [TS]

00:55:55   because up to this point we were from [TS]

00:55:56   Luke's point of view this old guy tells [TS]

00:55:57   us about the forest now is always going [TS]

00:55:59   to show us how to do it [TS]

00:56:00   we've seen is all guide to effectively [TS]

00:56:01   magic with these are not the droids [TS]

00:56:02   you're looking for and stuff and we get [TS]

00:56:04   on the ship and his lowest branches and [TS]

00:56:06   we're not heroes to ya and hongos listen [TS]

00:56:09   kid I seen a lot of strange things you [TS]

00:56:11   know you go through that whole speech [TS]

00:56:12   about I've never seen anything that he [TS]

00:56:14   thinks is something some magical force [TS]

00:56:15   controlling everything [TS]

00:56:17   no forced finds his destiny you know it [TS]

00:56:19   it'll give visit we didn't have that not [TS]

00:56:23   so much in this movie but in later [TS]

00:56:24   movies you wouldn't have any sort of [TS]

00:56:25   diabetes like all the force and I and [TS]

00:56:27   look believes and so I believe it and it [TS]

00:56:28   shows that their skepticism that it's [TS]

00:56:30   not you know that that there's some some [TS]

00:56:33   leap of faith requires them to believe [TS]

00:56:34   this is even possible even though we [TS]

00:56:35   live in a world with spaceships and [TS]

00:56:36   everything this crazy idea of the force [TS]

00:56:38   is still a little bit wacky I think that [TS]

00:56:41   was the key plot point dropped and in [TS]

00:56:43   the interior the line talking scene in [TS]

00:56:45   that but you know not only does a Darth [TS]

00:56:47   Vader use the Force to choke somebody to [TS]

00:56:49   death [TS]

00:56:50   he also uses it to get coffee in the [TS]

00:56:54   comic con it [TS]

00:56:55   yeah he does you don't use the word [TS]

00:56:56   faith there to find his lack of faith [TS]

00:56:58   disturbing [TS]

00:56:59   I want you need that faith i'm choking [TS]

00:57:01   you dude you don't have to believe [TS]

00:57:03   believe that I believe it may go Greg [TS]

00:57:08   can you explain [TS]

00:57:09   can you explain the darth vader coffee [TS]

00:57:11   thing by the way for those who don't [TS]

00:57:12   know because this is one of my favorite [TS]

00:57:13   things about about the original star [TS]

00:57:15   wars in the comic version [TS]

00:57:18   there's the conference room scene where [TS]

00:57:20   they're discussing how the plans got [TS]

00:57:22   away and who's to blame and your ancient [TS]

00:57:26   religion blah blah blah and it just as [TS]

00:57:30   as the people are talking around the [TS]

00:57:31   table Vader floats over a Styrofoam cup [TS]

00:57:34   of coffee and a little yes [TS]

00:57:39   how does he drink it yes I don't know [TS]

00:57:41   using the force and then United States [TS]

00:57:45   he's holding it for the rest of the [TS]

00:57:46   scene including our show gonna need to [TS]

00:57:49   do all the only thing that would have [TS]

00:57:50   been awesome about that is it well to [TS]

00:57:52   give you guys something of a copy that [TS]

00:57:53   throws it in his face installed that [TS]

00:57:56   would be hilarious [TS]

00:57:58   he should have been quietly sipping [TS]

00:57:59   through his helmet while choking the guy [TS]

00:58:00   that's the dark side band confidence for [TS]

00:58:03   chokers Vader doesn't put any cream in [TS]

00:58:06   his coffee by the way he likes it black [TS]

00:58:08   takes that black just like you like I [TS]

00:58:10   like my coffee like my like my evil [TS]

00:58:12   likewise if Lawrence so we're gonna take [TS]

00:58:16   a pause right here because of the [TS]

00:58:18   podcast God's forced us to not do it to [TS]

00:58:20   our podcast so we're going to cut this [TS]

00:58:22   into two pieces [TS]

00:58:23   stay tuned for the next installment [TS]

00:58:25   where we will continue talking about [TS]

00:58:27   star wars until then I want to thank my [TS]

00:58:30   guests for taking us up to the halfway [TS]

00:58:32   point John siracusa thank you you're [TS]

00:58:35   very welcome Dan Moore and thank you may [TS]

00:58:38   the force be with you always [TS]

00:58:40   Scott McNulty thank you for being here [TS]

00:58:42   for half of it i hope you come back for [TS]

00:58:44   the second half [TS]

00:58:44   I have a bad feeling about this ok and [TS]

00:58:49   Greg moss [TS]

00:58:50   thank you thank you Jason uh he feels [TS]

00:58:53   like it sounds like a beaten man but [TS]

00:58:56   he'll be back for more [TS]

00:58:57   in our next installment and until then [TS]

00:58:59   this is jason still thanks for listening [TS]

00:59:01   we'll see you next time with more star [TS]

00:59:03   wars [TS]

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