The Incomparable

41: ...But Your Kids Are Gonna Love It

 

  the incomparable podcast number 41 2011 [TS]

  it is the incomparable podcast and it's [TS]

  a very special incomparable because as [TS]

  we did in a previous podcast you may [TS]

  remember it is the Steven product fri [TS]

  five cast or as we like to call the [TS]

  podcast about nothing in the state [TS]

  except acceptable and Fleischmann saying [TS]

  random things about Stephen Fry we are [TS]

  back live everybody is present in a [TS]

  studio while we record this [TS]

  it's a horrible mistake why would we [TS]

  make it again joining me today are three [TS]

  regular members of the incomparable [TS]

  panel and two that's right to never [TS]

  before heard from for the price of one [TS]

  and never to be heard from again [TS]

  right and perhaps one and only AP Rhys [TS]

  treat yourself [TS]

  yes that's right dude you right by us [TS]

  and drag lightly you might come back [TS]

  sometime so I'm Jason snow and among the [TS]

  other regulars in the incomparable panel [TS]

  joining me today are serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hello hello hello [TS]

  and Dan Morgan who's on every podcast [TS]

  I'm the man on every podcast it's it's [TS]

  good it's cheap labor [TS]

  yes that's right it paid i work for [TS]

  peanuts [TS]

  I don't even get the peanut have some [TS]

  peanuts uh he works for almonds [TS]

  also joining us perchik home in this [TS]

  podcast are two new beast to the [TS]

  incomparable but they are incomparable I [TS]

  can't compare them to anybody across [TS]

  from me now the incomparable Alexander [TS]

  or as we call it lacks hello there [TS]

  friedman with me music for him we have [TS]

  nothing disagree and Dan Frakes hello [TS]

  Dan hello [TS]

  I should play that Star Trek The Next [TS]

  Generation themes are you doing that [TS]

  would be you know if he let me tell you [TS]

  what the nineties were like for me [TS]

  that's right I you relieve the remainder [TS]

  Riker in some way remember checks [TS]

  whenever I wrote one are you related [TS]

  no no no that was that was the nineties [TS]

  my dad that's right that's right anymore [TS]

  and he says that you suck I don't know [TS]

  as damn or has told me many times it's [TS]

  very hard to complain to a more and more [TS]

  person whose name rhymes with sex about [TS]

  the just people can make a better name [TS]

  that's right mr. all I know as a smell I [TS]

  don't know what you're talking about [TS]

  I would have loved to be compared to you [TS]

  know I think what is commander Riker if [TS]

  I think mine has the the best can't make [TS]

  fun of me I you would think you're ready [TS]

  now sadly the jaw sweet movie came a [TS]

  little too late for ya but even then you [TS]

  know it wouldn't be that bad to be it [TS]

  was that there was Ren and Stimpy there [TS]

  was serenity the gods prayer there was [TS]

  sure you want your son you also have I'm [TS]

  directly when you do a name that that is [TS]

  a word in the dictionary that's tough [TS]

  yeah and I don't it's not mocking it's [TS]

  not more rather it's not putting [TS]

  unworthy but there how many times did [TS]

  you get pissed off at somebody and they [TS]

  said well that's not very much like your [TS]

  name serenity [TS]

  mmm i had a count and then I feel the [TS]

  book right and then I feel another [TS]

  brother all I stopped counting yeah you [TS]

  killed them all well I went back in time [TS]

  and you know kill the Grand Valley [TS]

  waited segue that that sounds like a [TS]

  topic so what's our topic is not [TS]

  people's names Dan freaks [TS]

  it's time travel in the movies and [TS]

  specifically we're going to say that you [TS]

  did because you came back in time and [TS]

  specifically we're going to talk about [TS]

  back to the future and oh what the heck [TS]

  we can talk about this equals to if you [TS]

  really like to but that's the future the [TS]

  lovely 1985 i believe yes a [TS]

  science-fiction comedy starring michael [TS]

  j fox the J stands for genius and [TS]

  christopher lloyd and weekly at thompson [TS]

  and Crispin Glover country life and [TS]

  color white [TS]

  uh-oh miss Wilson and if yes I'm and [TS]

  Biff TVs Biff movies Biff so so we'll [TS]

  start we'll start with back to the [TS]

  future i think one of the things I [TS]

  remember about back to the future is [TS]

  that I remember being very clear [TS]

  reaction to a trend in the movies which [TS]

  is the year before 1984 Ghostbusters [TS]

  became the biggest grossing movie of all [TS]

  time or a comedy movie of all time and [TS]

  it was this interesting combination it [TS]

  was a comedy with sci-fi elements and [TS]

  big special effects released over the [TS]

  summer huge hit and the next summer and [TS]

  I don't think it was at the time [TS]

  intended to be this but really [TS]

  replicated it with this other comedy [TS]

  sci-fi adventure [TS]

  back to the future and so I remember [TS]

  going into it thinking well you know [TS]

  this is just this attempt to do [TS]

  Ghostbusters but it was a very different [TS]

  movie and I i think you know i think it [TS]

  works on all those levels have been one [TS]

  of the great things about back to the [TS]

  future is that it is funny and it's got [TS]

  a nostalgia element but it's got the [TS]

  sci-fi adventure element to it all kind [TS]

  of works and what to me what's amazing [TS]

  about back to the future is that it it [TS]

  stays for the most part very loyal to [TS]

  its own definition of how time travel [TS]

  should work and I think for more than [TS]

  one generation of people now as defined [TS]

  what the general rules of time-travel [TS]

  should be if you're going to do any [TS]

  other kind of fiction today about time [TS]

  travel [TS]

  you have to just buy do you know the [TS]

  generic rules you can accept the way the [TS]

  time that back to the future has [TS]

  established or you have two very [TS]

  explicitly define your rule set to say [TS]

  I'm not following back to the future [TS]

  battles i think the moment a couple [TS]

  years ago a doctor who where where the [TS]

  doctor who has been time traveling since [TS]

  the sixties mind you tried to explain to [TS]

  a human being what about some rule of [TS]

  time travel or like all right back to [TS]

  the future and you see that ok [TS]

  Wow we've gotten to the point where back [TS]

  to the future is the reference point in [TS]

  Doctor Who for time travel because you [TS]

  have the whole like the pictures [TS]

  disappearing as a at you know it's [TS]

  actually a really nice non [TS]

  science-fictional way of viewing like [TS]

  changes to the timeline which is it's [TS]

  not like oh you can't remember anything [TS]

  anymore it's like 10 these pictures are [TS]

  fading and if you don't fix things I'll [TS]

  it away [TS]

  you have just now instantly highlighted [TS]

  my biggest my single biggest objection [TS]

  to how the movie handles time-travel [TS]

  fading away of the pictures it should be [TS]

  instantaneous right it should be [TS]

  instantaneous there should be no fading [TS]

  it's not like they suddenly parts [TS]

  ratchets consider what it's really like [TS]

  you a lot of changing in that there's a [TS]

  there's still a possibility [TS]

  yeah we're still at that you know there [TS]

  have gone they're still not your reason [TS]

  they're not there [TS]

  you know i think that i think the [TS]

  quantum physics people would argue with [TS]

  that then maybe they were standing maybe [TS]

  they were their own podcast there's no [TS]

  way for us to know it's very uncertain [TS]

  that's right well they used to but we [TS]

  change that so now it's not like that [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  we traveled back in time [TS]

  study chemistry okay so we just start [TS]

  this podcast over again like no times no [TS]

  so Huey Huey Lewis by the way this is [TS]

  like the app apotheosis of Kiwi lewis [TS]

  and the news the the power love the [TS]

  power of love and back in time [TS]

  what's interesting about you might have [TS]

  the soundtrack by the way actually [TS]

  bought this money is set i bought the [TS]

  back to the future but he lose his [TS]

  contribution to the soundtrack was the [TS]

  year before with Ghostbusters he had [TS]

  been asked to do this the theme song [TS]

  happen he declined saying he didn't want [TS]

  to be pigeonholed as you know or do you [TS]

  know to get into that genre but then he [TS]

  saw how big the Ghostbusters team hit [TS]

  was then later sued the Ghostbusters if [TS]

  we're getting off the day with a new [TS]

  drop the bassline of free Parker juniors [TS]

  Ghostbusters is the baseline for my [TS]

  one-man war on drugs when so and he got [TS]

  a part in the movie yeah [TS]

  yes nothing and two and two songs the [TS]

  the key opening song and the end-credit [TS]

  song right [TS]

  yeah that's the power of you Lewis [TS]

  that's that is the power of fuels are [TS]

  you're listening to the Huey Lewis stars [TS]

  podcast by the way I know but that I had [TS]

  that I had the cassette there's a [TS]

  lindsey buckingham song on there that i [TS]

  kinda like old time bomb town was about [TS]

  the ladies here tonight but I don't know [TS]

  if we have time to get over it is not [TS]

  know he's bumped will be on the next and [TS]

  comfortable with your number 40 what's [TS]

  interesting about this movie isn't [TS]

  nostalgia point which we which we raised [TS]

  earlier is that there's there's various [TS]

  nostalgia points depending on where you [TS]

  are right because obviously you've got [TS]

  from now we now have the the 80s [TS]

  nostalgia view of it but at the time of [TS]

  course there was a nostalgia of the [TS]

  fifties because he goes back in time to [TS]

  the fifth is this movie not far enough [TS]

  back in our past now that it's the [TS]

  equivalent of a farm and fifties was [TS]

  always very marty mcfly almost well yeah [TS]

  in fact maybe 30 years its 30-year yeah [TS]

  but it's how ya gonna add to the most [TS]

  were actually alive then [TS]

  Great Scott what we're very close to [TS]

  most of us though yeah yeah that's true [TS]

  not most of it oh right that's [TS]

  depressing us when I went during the [TS]

  nineteen fifties most of us know i was [TS]

  talking about i would venture to say [TS]

  that all of not words of the eighty [TS]

  percent of us for not know but so you [TS]

  you get that you get that fifties [TS]

  nostalgia I mean that's actually one of [TS]

  the interesting point is that not only [TS]

  do we have 80s nostalgia now but it [TS]

  played off of that fifties nostalgia it [TS]

  was very [TS]

  too much there and and so the fifties [TS]

  that they portray you know you've got [TS]

  your you got your greasers right i mean [TS]

  it's a little bit like like a American [TS]

  Graffiti kind of thing almost got these [TS]

  archetypes you got the cars with the [TS]

  fins and you get the diner and and they [TS]

  walk through all those scenes and you've [TS]

  got the like high school fifties kind of [TS]

  high school tropes which leads to the [TS]

  dance and and yet one of the things I [TS]

  really like about this movie is that it [TS]

  is subversive to a certain degree and [TS]

  and I think the moment that strikes me [TS]

  about it is that he meets his mom and [TS]

  and it's it's some of this some of her [TS]

  behavior think she's sneaking a smoke at [TS]

  one point I was like oh my god mom and [TS]

  it and so it's like the 50 seems so [TS]

  whitewashed and yet then you go back [TS]

  there and you know it totally wasn't [TS]

  like what we view the fifties to be and [TS]

  and even though it was enjoying the [TS]

  nostalgia factor it also was kind of [TS]

  commenting on the fact that it wasn't [TS]

  really is clean and squeaky you know [TS]

  squeaky clean and beautiful as as we [TS]

  think that if you talk if you're [TS]

  highlighting his mom smoking as the the [TS]

  kids enterprise the fifties I think [TS]

  you're dancing around what what nearly [TS]

  got the movie not made but nobody wanted [TS]

  to touch the movie with the original [TS]

  Zemeckis and Gail script because there [TS]

  was a key incest supply its as long as [TS]

  nobody wanted to touch it they wanted [TS]

  them to get rid of that and work around [TS]

  incest and not do with that we were [TS]

  marty mcfly where real Marty's mom falls [TS]

  in love with him hours time writer i [TS]

  think the movie about the guy on the [TS]

  motorcycle that goes back in time and [TS]

  and it becomes his own grandfather [TS]

  that's a totally different movie but [TS]

  when i saw when i was 13 there are very [TS]

  few films that I can cite that really [TS]

  there's one that I can think of that [TS]

  really are comedies that at least at [TS]

  least in some way hinge upon a mother [TS]

  falling in love with her son and it's I [TS]

  mean I think it's pretty remarkable that [TS]

  back to the future succeeded despite or [TS]

  because well why is it right that right [TS]

  i mean the horror of michael j fox of [TS]

  being it when Lea Thompson comes onto [TS]

  him [TS]

  it's easy so he is horrified she was [TS]

  totally hot and he's horrified by it its [TS]

  kind of brilliant [TS]

  yes yeah the comedy is what sold it [TS]

  right because it's a funny situation [TS]

  because he is terrified by it and and [TS]

  it's so cool it's oh it's gross and what [TS]

  was my mother doing with we've already [TS]

  seen her at that point right don't know [TS]

  we said inner fat younger one serious [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  in the present so we just have one had [TS]

  ever let it sit the president now that [TS]

  ass but it was the future right we [TS]

  should go back there at some point it's [TS]

  very confusing very confusing yeah that [TS]

  again and I i drilled this a little bit [TS]

  before already but you know the what I [TS]

  loved about back to the future and still [TS]

  do is that it's it stays very honest to [TS]

  its interpretation of time travel and [TS]

  I'm thinking specifically of how like [TS]

  flight of the navigator violates all [TS]

  kinds of time-travel logic where that [TS]

  you know that if you're familiar with [TS]

  the film at the end the boys brought [TS]

  back to the present but another version [TS]

  of the boy has simply disappeared there [TS]

  should be two versions of the the star [TS]

  center boy by the National marant but [TS]

  back to the future throughout the entire [TS]

  trilogy really is very consistent about [TS]

  you know if i go back to the past [TS]

  there's a version of me there perhaps [TS]

  right so they have them sneaking through [TS]

  and you've got you know the in back to [TS]

  the part to you have him going back to [TS]

  the fifties again he has to avoid his [TS]

  other self right and he has to avoid you [TS]

  know standards for Christmas Glover in [TS]

  the whole thing [TS]

  strike strike and i love that the arm [TS]

  you you have in the original movie that [TS]

  that a christopher lloyd is in both [TS]

  timelines but he's but in the past [TS]

  obviously he doesn't know about Marty so [TS]

  Marty have to explain it to em right and [TS]

  that that's great and that makes sense [TS]

  but the the beauty part of that is that [TS]

  when Marty returns to the present at the [TS]

  end of the movie returns to 1985 Doc [TS]

  Brown says to Marty I knew this was all [TS]

  going to happen because it happened for [TS]

  me in the fifties which is this [TS]

  internally consistent story right which [TS]

  is such a nice as a big sci-fi geek in [TS]

  1985 was like yes they didn't they [TS]

  didn't let that go [TS]

  they made it of course it was him in the [TS]

  past and now in the present me he [TS]

  remembers all of that but at the same [TS]

  time his parents seem to have no [TS]

  recollection that somebody who [TS]

  apparently turns out to look exactly [TS]

  like his son right [TS]

  yeah it was just you know he was with [TS]

  some guy do for like a few days it's [TS]

  Catholic although mostly just really [TS]

  that's funny so he does he just he does [TS]

  change the timeline another one does [TS]

  that was that's one of the funny things [TS]

  about the movie is that when he comes [TS]

  back it's not the same time when his [TS]

  parents like have a big house right now [TS]

  his father's success [TS]

  biz like the family slow my favorite my [TS]

  favorite of all realistic-looking Glover [TS]

  would be a lifesaver change my favorite [TS]

  change the remains when he leaves of [TS]

  course it's the Twin Pines mall and he [TS]

  comes back in the future and knocks down [TS]

  a tree and then when he comes back it's [TS]

  the Lone Pine just one of the best [TS]

  Louisville you'll blink and you'll miss [TS]

  it but it's great it's a great little [TS]

  yes I think you know another key element [TS]

  of how it handles time travel is that [TS]

  when they come back for the sequel one [TS]

  Crispin Glover is played by somebody [TS]

  else and to Marty's girlfriend is much [TS]

  much hotter Elisabeth Shue after [TS]

  Elizabeth Shue becomes the girlfriend in [TS]

  episode and is today at two and second [TS]

  right yeah really run a porch somewhere [TS]

  and chance again Elizabeth sure right [TS]

  yeah they just couldn't get her back you [TS]

  know what you know what i mean the the [TS]

  fact that grew into the store with [TS]

  Christmas Glover is probably not so [TS]

  relevant to our topic right now be no he [TS]

  he wanted more money than they were [TS]

  willing to pay him to come and he was [TS]

  career-ready it wasn't his credit he's [TS]

  trying to kick david letterman in the [TS]

  head so that they shoot around him and [TS]

  you standards and another actor in such [TS]

  a right and that changed the how [TS]

  Hollywood actors now get paid for [TS]

  residuals and reuse of your films of it [TS]

  changed the laws about you have to treat [TS]

  those actors so they affected the future [TS]

  making back to the future just know [TS]

  that's why is quite artful in the second [TS]

  movie not I there are a lot of things I [TS]

  don't like about the second movie but [TS]

  what i do hi I'm with Max is why i don't [TS]

  think it's quite artful that how they [TS]

  they make you it's it's a little bit [TS]

  like what deep space nine went back [TS]

  through the original Star Trek episode [TS]

  it's like we don't have these actors are [TS]

  there at least not the same age but [TS]

  we'll we'll be doing the general manager [TS]

  and some Crispin Glover they had his [TS]

  dialogue and they have people from the [TS]

  backside who were doubling for him and [TS]

  it you can't you can't really tell that [TS]

  he's not a participant other than the [TS]

  story surrounding it which is that it [TS]

  wasn't to your point about the second [TS]

  movie I think we have to go around the [TS]

  room now and everybody's favorite [TS]

  episode your favorite movie in the [TS]

  trilogy is ok ok i think it would be [TS]

  obvious yeah i'll start I think the [TS]

  first movie is is clearly the best of [TS]

  three [TS]

  clearly I i think from up from a [TS]

  filmmaking perspective I think the first [TS]

  one making out tops but i think the [TS]

  second one is my favorite and I think [TS]

  part of it has to do with it was the it [TS]

  was actually future it was the future [TS]

  which is an inward everywhere [TS]

  motherboard rewards now because if it [TS]

  and if you were if you were a kid in [TS]

  that era as I was and lex was yes um you [TS]

  knew the urban legend [TS]

  did you know what were you familiar with [TS]

  the urban legends that Mandela has a day [TS]

  made personally made hoverboard but they [TS]

  were too dangerous to release and so [TS]

  every year every kid was nine-year-olds [TS]

  was like oh my god i want to offer for [TS]

  you really badly because robert zemeckis [TS]

  would say yes you did [TS]

  so gullible this happens to be one of [TS]

  the biggest search terms of my friends [TS]

  of our blog was hoverboard television [TS]

  fix your favorite of the time my [TS]

  favorite was like Jason the first you [TS]

  know nobody learns get word was so i can [TS]

  talk about third but I've got a lot to [TS]

  say about the food i remember waiting in [TS]

  line actually waiting in line and watch [TS]

  what I have to say I and this is I quit [TS]

  ability to get no Lex this been alright [TS]

  crisis this podcasters over and okay the [TS]

  phrases this point guess was over [TS]

  you know I've gotta I've gotta say I'm [TS]

  not fair to the second but I have a I [TS]

  have a thing about movies that end as [TS]

  and wait for the third because it's [TS]

  organized going to make the reservation [TS]

  on the back to back you and your family [TS]

  they came outside your own part yeah [TS]

  they were basically filmed like the same [TS]

  time yeah and and that to me I was very [TS]

  offended by that in that because and [TS]

  actually i don't remember honestly that [TS]

  was the first movie I'd ever been to [TS]

  where it was that obvious that they made [TS]

  to movies as one life first one ends on [TS]

  a cliffhanger straight what has already [TS]

  has a little dinner theaters yeah it [TS]

  said you know it's just the ending of [TS]

  the movie with my recent video it said [TS]

  to wait there any but there's a coda in [TS]

  terms of the story they go oh we're [TS]

  going we don't need roads all your kids [TS]

  they're in trouble yeah exactly [TS]

  we gotta go get with that could have [TS]

  been just the end of the movie like yeah [TS]

  it was like the second was the second [TS]

  was really liked the story was not [TS]

  finished yeah i think that that I don't [TS]

  speak for you [TS]

  damn more but I mean that's what please [TS]

  pick them it was exciting to me about [TS]

  part2 wasn't just knew hoverboards but [TS]

  it was the future you know they were [TS]

  fully at cars there was you know the [TS]

  crazy self-tightening shoes and jackets [TS]

  and prices on sports almanacs printed on [TS]

  paper and look at the three jaws [TS]

  is that that stuff while the double the [TS]

  double neckties was awesome video [TS]

  conferencing and when will we ever we [TS]

  barely more geeky fun but and I want to [TS]

  summarize surprised you like the level [TS]

  the level of ramaj too i think was also [TS]

  just you know that there are also many [TS]

  direct references and it ties in so [TS]

  closely with the first one that feels [TS]

  that part of the larger story you know [TS]

  the first one was a great story with was [TS]

  very brilliantly handle for short but [TS]

  the second one didn't just have the cool [TS]

  future stuff but it also had the cool [TS]

  passed up all the alternatives that [TS]

  right yeah parties there with more is oh [TS]

  my god is called well do you have a [TS]

  verdict on this on the second movie on [TS]

  which is but which of them is your [TS]

  favorite on choose well everybody know [TS]

  I'm not gonna save your dresser all [TS]

  making what is myself we're wrapping up [TS]

  the third no well i will write the third [TS]

  one but I don't say it's my favorite the [TS]

  phrases [TS]

  the first is definitely my favorite just [TS]

  because it stands up having having I [TS]

  mean taking on AMC AMC showed back to [TS]

  the future in theaters for its 25th 30 [TS]

  2015 yeah 25th anniversary I the blue [TS]

  right came out and then they also [TS]

  rereleased unfortunately a digital print [TS]

  but still a print of the 35 millimeter [TS]

  film into theaters for a rerelease and [TS]

  that was the most fun I've had a theater [TS]

  in a couple years because like you know [TS]

  you some some movies you remember from [TS]

  your childhood they're not as great and [TS]

  back to the future without a doubt [TS]

  stands up its it's still I mean means [TS]

  it's hilarious on every point and you [TS]

  just like that entire films just [TS]

  Gideon's like smiling like a little kid [TS]

  the entire time i will say from an epic [TS]

  kind of scale even though it didn't [TS]

  always work the third one has a lot of [TS]

  fun to it the idea of building a time [TS]

  machine out of a train remains endlessly [TS]

  amusing to me the gun battles the the [TS]

  now there's the god I see I i don't [TS]

  remember the third one except in images [TS]

  and like little bit but there's a man [TS]

  has the remit the the the sort of branch [TS]

  off plot from the first one it's very [TS]

  similar in the first one there back in [TS]

  time and they don't have any plutonium [TS]

  and the third one back there any gas you [TS]

  prefer the first of 3rd feel like [TS]

  standalone movies yeah and the second [TS]

  one and this is my complaint about the [TS]

  second one is [TS]

  second one is about the first movie [TS]

  which is awesome and and I didn't like [TS]

  the future stuff so much and I think [TS]

  part of it [TS]

  it relaxes making a horrible yeah i [TS]

  think part of it is I'm flying cars days [TS]

  not you know I want my flying car [TS]

  there's something you'd really something [TS]

  about a plot that it's just something [TS]

  about the plot seems very mechanical to [TS]

  me like they were so constrained by what [TS]

  had been said in the first movie and [TS]

  where they knew they need to go that it [TS]

  just all seems kind of like they're they [TS]

  had to step through a and B and C to get [TS]

  where they need to go and so although [TS]

  the individual i'll grant you the [TS]

  individual like little touches like the [TS]

  hoverboards are really cool [TS]

  the plot in that part c but i really [TS]

  love you and really mechanical like well [TS]

  we gotta get bit and we gotta send it [TS]

  back to you but i love the only thing i [TS]

  love the alternate history that they set [TS]

  up to like this day that they you know [TS]

  everything changes right with this one [TS]

  little detail you bring back that [TS]

  Almanac and everything changes you've [TS]

  got this whole alternate until by the [TS]

  way let's not let's not discount the [TS]

  right he threw the ball back to himself [TS]

  in a very very cool shot [TS]

  yes it's just that my friend here if [TS]

  you're gonna affect the future that's [TS]

  how you do it right you you two stories [TS]

  that that's right it's clever i know all [TS]

  the winners i can make bets i could make [TS]

  a lot of money and I think he probably [TS]

  that would probably explain to people [TS]

  that if they ever do get to travel back [TS]

  in time but they should bring very [TS]

  famous words on the Android LA sports [TS]

  Almanac sales shot up I don't be [TS]

  surprised me to me it's not it wasn't [TS]

  just the future stuff that I love to [TS]

  back to do they were there were two [TS]

  other pieces one like it we talked about [TS]

  you know just having multiple Marty's it [TS]

  seems the same time I love that that's [TS]

  national radio beyond Marty with Marty [TS]

  in you know what I just like the idea [TS]

  that he's gotta go into the future to [TS]

  help make his you know kids not be [TS]

  screwed up your kids r kids we could [TS]

  have to blame them but then there's also [TS]

  that they were seeing that they didn't [TS]

  have to do where Mark where Michael J [TS]

  Fox plays multiple roles around the [TS]

  dinner table i will see a tail that's [TS]

  very at that's very Eddie Murphy I'm i [TS]

  think i did explain [TS]

  there are three ever did it not only [TS]

  ridiculous voices he's just playing just [TS]

  playing this kid he's gonna the daughter [TS]

  to right he plays the daughter in that's [TS]

  a yes [TS]

  the thing about Roberts Max's movies in [TS]

  terms of back to the future in general [TS]

  as i love how theatrical they are and [TS]

  and Goofy and cheesy to a certain extent [TS]

  i mean you have this is a film medium [TS]

  and it could have been very very easy [TS]

  for them to either cast different actors [TS]

  for the adults and the children the [TS]

  first movie or to do anything like it [TS]

  are extolled yeah right i mean but I [TS]

  mean they go Dax they they go with age [TS]

  makeup they go with very theatrical [TS]

  things that you do on the state and very [TS]

  and very exaggerated age makeup too and [TS]

  it's basically saying to the audience [TS]

  yes we know these are people enable a [TS]

  guy Thompson sort of horrifying yeah how [TS]

  many ways do they have her because they [TS]

  ever made up at the beginning of back [TS]

  feature at the end of back feature which [TS]

  you look slightly just thought that I [TS]

  should yes and then alternate in the [TS]

  alternate timeline in back into having [TS]

  made up differently and 45 originally [TS]

  partially yes she appears another 12 as [TS]

  the doesn't she says there's an ancestor [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah don't know that strange [TS]

  all the ancestors look like you one of [TS]

  the little bit we went which day Michael [TS]

  J blocks without the muscle dad yeah [TS]

  Irish and others really really exists [TS]

  and has a lot of really dominant jesus [TS]

  said yeah that's all we can say about [TS]

  that [TS]

  editor's all look the same but the other [TS]

  piece that that's spelling i also number [TS]

  two handles time-travel I want to be [TS]

  from getting this right so you'll all [TS]

  quick me if I'm wrong viciously will but [TS]

  yes you know in number two bit goes back [TS]

  to the past gives himself the Almanac [TS]

  and then comes back to the future and [TS]

  then they they but it doesn't make sense [TS]

  that he has successfully come back to [TS]

  the future since he's already been to [TS]

  change right yes but when you get the [TS]

  DVD or blu-ray and you see the deleted [TS]

  scene there's a whole scene where if [TS]

  comes back from having give himself the [TS]

  time when he managed somehow to before [TS]

  before past BF has time to deal with the [TS]

  Almanac and change the course of history [TS]

  or future history if returns to the what [TS]

  would have been the current president [TS]

  and then suddenly like vanishes from the [TS]

  timeline and if in a painful physical [TS]

  way as the future is changing all around [TS]

  him and they have this deleted scene [TS]

  that they took out because they didn't [TS]

  think audiences can handle probably [TS]

  right but just the fact that they were [TS]

  thinking about it that way that he [TS]

  couldn't have really successfully come [TS]

  back to [TS]

  what had been his present i thought was [TS]

  very smart [TS]

  yeah i'm just throwing that out when you [TS]

  were going still talking about you were [TS]

  talking I robert zemeckis yeah just [TS]

  didn't notice the inherent theatrically [TS]

  here at reality of it all and how in [TS]

  utterly enjoyable and makes the movies [TS]

  which would otherwise I mean they're [TS]

  fairly can't be movies when you take a [TS]

  look at it and I do not think they would [TS]

  have they would stand the test of time [TS]

  as well as they have if the campus [TS]

  hadn't been so thoroughly embraced like [TS]

  if they had tried to pitch back to the [TS]

  future more seriously right did they [TS]

  don't take themselves seriously I think [TS]

  that's part of the beauty of that and [TS]

  that's kind of beauty of the time travel [TS]

  too is it's like-- yes we're giving [TS]

  we're giving you fairly complicated [TS]

  stuff but we're giving it to you with a [TS]

  crazy scientist and we're basically [TS]

  saying no none of this stuff makes sense [TS]

  and hey look at the flux capacitor and [TS]

  no it doesn't he invented all falling [TS]

  off his toilet right yeah exactly [TS]

  everybody couldn't have invented it in [TS]

  some ways without em you know Marty [TS]

  coming back into the past telling him [TS]

  you did you think of this today when you [TS]

  fell off the toilet because he had [TS]

  doctrine hadn't acted on it right until [TS]

  Marty plan services and try on Tranzit [TS]

  right look at all the things that bugged [TS]

  me about that but I was perfect for [TS]

  frizzy the time-travel I kind of love [TS]

  the idea that that which which which [TS]

  back to the future doesn't embrace but i [TS]

  love the idea of time travel movies [TS]

  where what you say is what happened [TS]

  happened right and so why did lost its a [TS]

  pat it's a paradox but it's not a [TS]

  paradox it's like well of course doctor [TS]

  and density because of the time-travel [TS]

  that comes back to and recommended [TS]

  mostly well how is that possible because [TS]

  that's what happened you don't even go [TS]

  into it anymore than that there's maybe [TS]

  something simplified great a [TS]

  spanish-language movie that came out a [TS]

  couple years ago crime crimes [TS]

  there's front of her time time crimes is [TS]

  made by not-so-legal ando who is a [TS]

  Spanish Spanish director who made a [TS]

  couple of short films that were academy [TS]

  award-nominated and this was his first [TS]

  full-length feature and it's it takes [TS]

  some cues from back to the future in [TS]

  terms of how time travel works but [TS]

  without spoiling too much of the movie [TS]

  and it's a movie that can be very easily [TS]

  spoiled it's all about embracing the [TS]

  inherent absurdity of paradoxes it's a [TS]

  murder mystery wrapped in a time travel [TS]

  story is creepy as heck but one of the [TS]

  most fascinating movies that I've ever [TS]

  seen [TS]

  was gonna ask later uh what people if [TS]

  they've got a great time travel movies [TS]

  have you just said you just blown it I [TS]

  just I just blown I just blend we're [TS]

  going to bed early y-yes obey you gave [TS]

  me such a such a perfect already like [TS]

  California x alla Terry I segue yeah you [TS]

  probably a crown future yeah but it's [TS]

  bad it's true it's ready and tell me [TS]

  what i'm doing and one but i just want [TS]

  to say on one last point between number [TS]

  two and number one in terms of which is [TS]

  the better film that number one the [TS]

  number wanted a few I is worse yes that [TS]

  the first got back to the future will [TS]

  always for me be hindered and I didn't [TS]

  realize it initially on my first [TS]

  watching but only later by its inherent [TS]

  racism and giving marty mcfly credit for [TS]

  inventing rock and roll music and [TS]

  stealing it from you know Chuck Barry [TS]

  Chuck Baron it's your cousin Marvin [TS]

  Harry and that's because yeah Barry can [TS]

  only better because Marty McFly goes [TS]

  back in time to play is it and then [TS]

  Chuck Berry here's and if you do how [TS]

  long plate but again paradoxes right now [TS]

  but i mean it's it's a it's a i would [TS]

  say you know one could look at it [TS]

  through the a picolo of races you could [TS]

  also say that the check berry and Marvin [TS]

  his cousin have good taste because they [TS]

  chose the classic rock and roll of [TS]

  Johnny be good and not the ridiculous [TS]

  heavy metal guitar solo through that [TS]

  Michael J Fox played that left everybody [TS]

  kind of silent which is a great scene by [TS]

  the way it's like I push this too far [TS]

  but you're not ready you're gonna love [TS]

  it right right right we just great [TS]

  tweets so let's talk about the third [TS]

  movie a little bit because it is [TS]

  fascinating because the second movie is [TS]

  clearly second movie is clearly a sequel [TS]

  to the first movie and it's about the [TS]

  first movie in many ways the third movie [TS]

  is just a story in this universe it's a [TS]

  very different kind of thing I honestly [TS]

  I have a very hard time judging this [TS]

  movie I like it but I i don't think i [TS]

  can view it objectively largely because [TS]

  it is almost entirely shot on location [TS]

  in the town i grew up in I because I [TS]

  grew up in sonora california and they [TS]

  built that they built Hill Valley and [TS]

  now i live in mill valley which is even [TS]

  more confusing they built your little [TS]

  oranges and I [TS]

  I'm not going to say the the and more [TS]

  than I&I mr. fusion to the that's where [TS]

  my compost goes the the they built it [TS]

  out outside of town and because that we [TS]

  out in the foothills in Northern [TS]

  California you can get it doubles very [TS]

  well for for the Old West and then [TS]

  movies High Noon was shot there i mean [TS]

  that it's it's a great Old West setting [TS]

  in California so they should movies [TS]

  there and so I have friends who are in [TS]

  there extras and and so it's very hard [TS]

  for me to judge it but the two or three [TS]

  times that I've seen it i I've been [TS]

  struck by how it's just kind of fun [TS]

  it's very entertaining it is not [TS]

  encumbered by the story previously and [TS]

  it's almost like that that's the [TS]

  franchise movie it's almost like the [TS]

  first two are kind of tied together and [TS]

  they're like it and it's not true [TS]

  because they shot set two and three [TS]

  together and yet three feels like the [TS]

  hey let's do another back to the future [TS]

  story instead of let's follow up on the [TS]

  last scene from the first movie and tie [TS]

  a whole story together I don't know me [TS]

  know if you guys feel that way i really [TS]

  like does yeah I like three but I mean I [TS]

  don't know the lead up to that I was [TS]

  just a brief word about the end of two [TS]

  like I will say that's one of the parts [TS]

  that still gives me goosebumps right [TS]

  towards the end of 2 where he gets you [TS]

  know he watches the DeLorean vanish [TS]

  anything for my western union guy comes [TS]

  up i love that such a great saying it's [TS]

  a fantastic see and also traditional [TS]

  dances around and then he's like oh my [TS]

  god how do i get back right and so he [TS]

  has to run and find you know diets i [TS]

  love that part that setup but the third [TS]

  one is it it's a very entertaining movie [TS]

  and it's got some it's a little bit [TS]

  off-kilter from some of the other ones [TS]

  you know you got doc brown get to love [TS]

  interest [TS]

  mary steenburgen every major American [TS]

  version and you get the you know Michael [TS]

  J Fox are Marty dealing with his his [TS]

  older you know ancestors which gardens [TS]

  suspiciously similar circumstances that [TS]

  you are outside of his familiar i [TS]

  thinkyeah withhold West motif which is [TS]

  like 30 min but for me my the the [TS]

  biggest issues I had with it is i I've [TS]

  never i'm not a huge fan of the western [TS]

  genre in particular so sort of lightly [TS]

  parodying skewering it didn't really [TS]

  work for me as well as the other two and [TS]

  I I didn't like how the third movie felt [TS]

  derivative to me of its predecessors i [TS]

  got i felt like to built on one in an [TS]

  original way you know reworking some of [TS]

  the scenes trying to be [TS]

  where three really tried to take a [TS]

  different direction which I applaud but [TS]

  it's very similar getting the getting [TS]

  the facts and now the facts is going to [TS]

  change from saying your fire to fading [TS]

  away slowly again it's not an instant [TS]

  change like the photograph should have [TS]

  been it's a it's a slow gradual changes [TS]

  Marty perfects his future life and just [TS]

  you know using that image changing over [TS]

  time technique again and I don't I felt [TS]

  that AP copy itself too much I'd say is [TS]

  that the same time though as a kid [TS]

  growing up watching them it was just [TS]

  kind of like all right it's the first [TS]

  movie but in the old west and that was [TS]

  perfectly ok as a seven-year yeah but [TS]

  they knew the hoverboard to they really [TS]

  did but I mean they had you know when it [TS]

  has a super time you're like cool train [TS]

  not not until the end I don't think it's [TS]

  still that was a really also a great a [TS]

  great wrap up to i think you know [TS]

  they're it's hard [TS]

  do you end the series you spin it out to [TS]

  another franchise and I think you know [TS]

  they came to the point where a ride or [TS]

  to a ride somewhere or an animated [TS]

  series which they did as well but I like [TS]

  the I mean they destroyed they destroyed [TS]

  that the DeLorean right you know in that [TS]

  last scene which is kind of [TS]

  heartbreaking but the same time also you [TS]

  know like it's a fitting but then things [TS]

  get it right they destroy the Lord you [TS]

  think was powerful but then the trains [TS]

  of time-travel yeah yeah so they can I [TS]

  don't like that for me and I don't like [TS]

  the trade as much i don't know i'm i'm [TS]

  grateful for robert zemeckis destroying [TS]

  the DeLorean because of where his career [TS]

  has gone now and I'm really afraid of [TS]

  back to the future foreign 3d they [TS]

  became legendary person capture yeah [TS]

  everybody to discuss whether or not they [TS]

  would do a fourth and shot only just [TS]

  uncanny valley exactly like Daniel shot [TS]

  it down like 10 right yeah well those [TS]

  Americans you know he's made some i mean [TS]

  yeah he did porks pretty to contact [TS]

  which I really like sitting as when was [TS]

  when was contact may come in the [TS]

  nineties exactly [TS]

  robert zemeckis kind of went down at [TS]

  about 1000 hehe and he went into some [TS]

  weird actually [TS]

  sure yes exactly know he works with that [TS]

  I mean I know we can edit them afterward [TS]

  that correctly from wrong and I very [TS]

  well could be but i'm pretty sure you're [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  the back to the form i will try the back [TS]

  to the future even if you're right Marty [TS]

  McFly hating to be called yellow only [TS]

  starts in the second it'sit's using the [TS]

  second and third movie but it never have [TS]

  now [TS]

  first-first yeah you're our daughter we [TS]

  have where to call hours they come [TS]

  coward but they don't call them because [TS]

  it's in the second movies is nobody [TS]

  calls me yellow I think that it happens [TS]

  I feel like it does in nineteen does not [TS]

  he does yeah they don't use the [TS]

  terminology yellow but they do you say [TS]

  doesn't weird it's like all the work of [TS]

  Martin require no it's itself in for [TS]

  ventricular threatened surpassed yeah [TS]

  yeah friends you like an invalid yeah [TS]

  diner on the kind of examples like what [TS]

  chicken or coward or so because of [TS]

  chicken yeah chicken and then he turned [TS]

  around and punched him but yeah yeah [TS]

  chicken but yeah we'll get some he's a [TS]

  vegetarian clearly evolved and invest in [TS]

  you actually didn't speaking of great [TS]

  scenes a fantastic scene where he meets [TS]

  his uncle who's a baby behind it was in [TS]

  the crib to those boxes yeah actually [TS]

  you know one of the funny things that [TS]

  about that has made this movie aah well [TS]

  is that in the movie his eighties [TS]

  trappings are made fun of by the people [TS]

  in the fifties right because they're not [TS]

  like they're not like 50 skier and his [TS]

  lightweight which is funny writing his [TS]

  links FC now now it's great because now [TS]

  we look at the eighties fashion and the [TS]

  fifties people make fun of it and we go [TS]

  haha yeah [TS]

  ladies fashion was funny so it's [TS]

  actually I think aged better or just as [TS]

  well because why is he wearing not see [TS]

  that yeah this is a lower rate [TS]

  calvin klein you have so many mysteries [TS]

  to teach us about her for me from the [TS]

  future [TS]

  I also the DeLorean I guess we should [TS]

  say I eat last time machine ironic i was [TS]

  to dan dan and I actually both on the [TS]

  same t-shirt which is a classic t-shirt [TS]

  that that actually Chris Hardwick from [TS]

  the Nerdist podcast war on craig [TS]

  ferguson show when matt smith from [TS]

  doctor who was on it that's a lot of [TS]

  names that so basically so basically [TS]

  unpack this know there's too much let me [TS]

  sum up the guy from The Nerdist podcast [TS]

  that I'm gonna wear a doctor who shirt [TS]

  on craig ferguson show what should i [TS]

  wear and I thought well I know what I [TS]

  would wear and it turns out he wore it [TS]

  which is the same thing that i have in [TS]

  that Dan has which is a shirt called it [TS]

  came out of nowhere which shows the the [TS]

  DeLorean from Back to the Future having [TS]

  raised [TS]

  into the TARDIS from Doctor Who which is [TS]

  is just great it's really is on so many [TS]

  levels and to have that you can provide [TS]

  what the original time she was supposed [TS]

  to be in the back to the future series [TS]

  and why they moved away from it is this [TS]

  jeopardy now you will know i gave you [TS]

  the question so clearly is not jeopardy [TS]

  relax you you know that wasn't it was a [TS]

  phone booth like in building tells it [TS]

  was supposed to be originally the [TS]

  original draft was a refrigerator and [TS]

  Steven Spielberg became as the producer [TS]

  of the film became concerned that kids [TS]

  would try to go into the refrigerator at [TS]

  home so he saved that for indian [TS]

  education that looks like they totally [TS]

  blew that but now they don't be going to [TS]

  ya-ya only three usually there's no way [TS]

  we're gonna be nuclear explosion the [TS]

  kids should go in there freezin [TS]

  associations with the door and ended up [TS]

  being not much better since you know [TS]

  that cars then and his injuries to climb [TS]

  into yes well yeah well yeah nobody [TS]

  usually just drugs in the sidekick okay [TS]

  no yeah actually it's it's in the end I [TS]

  think it's like the greatest thing that [TS]

  could ever have happened to delorean [TS]

  motor company and I saw one goes on on [TS]

  the on the road so it's just you know if [TS]

  my dad was taking me the more I was a [TS]

  teenager and I remember looking back and [TS]

  there's just a guide like there's just [TS]

  the floor and on the street like they [TS]

  have only we quickly driving like I've [TS]

  seen what I saw one on the freeway in LA [TS]

  I dry we were driving home after a visit [TS]

  la and it's in stainless steel it's [TS]

  hilarious but but the thing that its Sun [TS]

  is it has become the definitive thing so [TS]

  now DeLoreans mean back to the future [TS]

  right now [TS]

  whereas the time it was like this [TS]

  obscure no attempt to do a new American [TS]

  car company that failed for a lot of [TS]

  reasons and it's kinda adores you know [TS]

  so so are perfect for time travel [TS]

  yeah so so it's good getting money out [TS]

  of an movie scenes to yes it's funny [TS]

  that that has become the definitive [TS]

  DeLoreans now for all eternity will be [TS]

  the Back to the Future car right is a [TS]

  mistake that we've got 88 miles an hour [TS]

  without mentioning either Einstein or [TS]

  Copernicus with the dogs [TS]

  no no it's not insane it's just mildly [TS]

  amusing we haven't talked about [TS]

  Christopher Lloyd much either no not me [TS]

  i would like to do because eighty eight [TS]

  months because I pronounce gigawatts [TS]

  wrong the entire chicka wat with a chair [TS]

  yes one yet [TS]

  yeah well you know what are you talking [TS]

  about i've got a hundred twenty gigabyte [TS]

  hard drive you [TS]

  what do you mean I'm an ever-popular [TS]

  will smith single gettin jiggy with it [TS]

  yeah very nice crisp yeah it's [TS]

  christopher lloyd from basically this [TS]

  point from taxi [TS]

  that's right and playing a similarly [TS]

  kind of nutty character but I I think [TS]

  he's like the heart and soul of this [TS]

  movie was not just a mad scientist right [TS]

  here it's really kind of touching when [TS]

  you when Marty meets him in the fifties [TS]

  Marty's best friend yeah yeah well the [TS]

  relationship we got shot by the Libyans [TS]

  and and obviously killed and he won't be [TS]

  alive when we get back maybe it's the [TS]

  Libyans although and back in the news [TS]

  anyways actually seen the because of a [TS]

  remix of back to the future there's a [TS]

  trailer that they made to the idea of [TS]

  brokeback mountain with the relationship [TS]

  between Marty and rockband doc brown [TS]

  which is that simultaneously kind of [TS]

  strange but also still kind of touching [TS]

  you can have they can almost always [TS]

  plotting our story between the two doc [TS]

  and Marty have a great relationship [TS]

  it's needed no matter what it is love [TS]

  knows no bounds not even time and you [TS]

  have to believe that doctrine was [TS]

  building that giant guitar amplifier for [TS]

  Marty's benefits i want that house it [TS]

  very sweet there's no there's no doubt [TS]

  about it known that the in the first [TS]

  movie the end you can I mean that n [TS]

  sequences ate almost perfect bit of [TS]

  suspense with the the countdown being a [TS]

  uncontrollable because it's a lightning [TS]

  strike that would would you can't delay [TS]

  it or anything it's not like your usual [TS]

  like James Bond you know countdown that [TS]

  ends at 007 because it's it's known [TS]

  because of time travel but it's going to [TS]

  happen at a certain time and so they [TS]

  have a timing and in those movies in the [TS]

  first and the second movie actually the [TS]

  third movie to a very effective at [TS]

  feeling like oh god they're never going [TS]

  to get out of this they're doing how [TS]

  could be how could be out with you know [TS]

  this is a problem and yet i do love [TS]

  Legos i'm only see you know i love that [TS]

  moment you know what he's getting ready [TS]

  to go back in time and he's like I just [TS]

  wish i could if only i could get to doc [TS]

  sooner waiting icon as much time as i [TS]

  need i'm in a time machine like there's [TS]

  a great moment where he thinks he can [TS]

  save his friend right and then he and [TS]

  then it seems like you fail fails right [TS]

  but he doesn't but and the whole movie [TS]

  keeps paying itself like you mentioned [TS]

  the dander the one [TS]

  the lone pine marten Twin Pines mall but [TS]

  you know you have that early on seeing [TS]

  that seems like a total throwaway save [TS]

  the clock tower save the clock tower we [TS]

  add you know exact position comes on and [TS]

  explains it's the good lady's right yeah [TS]

  but she comes to explain to me exactly [TS]

  when the clock tower stopped inhalation [TS]

  and soon added pages and that's the way [TS]

  its worldwide says which I use all the [TS]

  time it seemed extraneous at the time [TS]

  yeah well not the whole movie ever i [TS]

  mean that was part of the beauty of [TS]

  these the whole series was it references [TS]

  itself and it references pop culture in [TS]

  ways that you don't expect a lot of time [TS]

  doing catch until the second or third [TS]

  time you watch it and and that was mean [TS]

  you can watch it today and still get [TS]

  stuff out of it you might not have [TS]

  gotten out of it when you first watched [TS]

  it and i'm at a moment of appreciation [TS]

  for michael j fox who is a big reason [TS]

  why the energy is working and it's [TS]

  amazing because he wasn't cashed in the [TS]

  right it was every soul and everything [TS]

  like ask the movie right [TS]

  yeah it really kind of unprecedented [TS]

  where one large for they looked at the [TS]

  dailies and basically said he's not for [TS]

  Eric Stoltz who is a good actor and has [TS]

  been in lots of good stuff but just was [TS]

  not was not the right and they went to [TS]

  michael j fox who is known only for [TS]

  being in family ties right and he's [TS]

  banned and he was doing it all [TS]

  i partially with his drinking and drug [TS]

  problem yeah but doing he would work [TS]

  family ties all day or all week and then [TS]

  fly without any sleep to you know I [TS]

  don't was flying or driving but go to [TS]

  the separate back to the I think it was [TS]

  your night but yeah anybody he literally [TS]

  you know when you read his memoir a [TS]

  lucky guy something like that looking [TS]

  man but he was doing it all on no sleep [TS]

  and he would have no sleep and he would [TS]

  shoot all weekend long and have like [TS]

  four hours and then go back to the [TS]

  family time so yeah yeah i was gonna [TS]

  bring it up and then I can't that there [TS]

  are very few movies i think where you [TS]

  look at the movie you say I can't [TS]

  imagine anyone else in that role and [TS]

  they're just from them up michael j fox [TS]

  is personality the way he acted in this [TS]

  movie that is just quintessential Marty [TS]

  McFly's that's the funny thing about [TS]

  their adult stuff is that of all the [TS]

  movie and I would never have imagined [TS]

  this is the movie where I was another [TS]

  guy who shot a photo my you know Michael [TS]

  J Fox is said in interviews that he saw [TS]

  them scouting for back to the future and [TS]

  heard the Spielberg's mechanism of the [TS]

  general story line was while he was [TS]

  filming teen wolf and he was saying god [TS]

  I wish that the family ties producers [TS]

  would let me out you know allow [TS]

  me to film this this back-to-the-future [TS]

  movie instead of having me being a movie [TS]

  about being half-man half-wolf when we [TS]

  and we said earlier that you know part [TS]

  of the reason that movie works is it [TS]

  doesn't take itself so seriously and i [TS]

  think a huge part of that is michael j [TS]

  fox is comedic personality which is [TS]

  where you came from right eyes right now [TS]

  it was perfect for tvs Alex Keaton what [TS]

  we do baby without you without love [TS]

  without without 1.21 jigowatts zealots [TS]

  or 88 miles per hour [TS]

  oh man I always wanted to drive [TS]

  everything in a team i never tried to [TS]

  cast 88 up like i wish i had i wish i [TS]

  had a digital speedometer on my car just [TS]

  for that my my friend Mike once created [TS]

  a fake band based on back to the future [TS]

  and I'm sure number one song title which [TS]

  is my love for you goes 88 miles per [TS]

  hour huh [TS]

  it it it's funny I mean I I really view [TS]

  this is like almost like this accidental [TS]

  it's it's a nap it was a huge hit and [TS]

  it's become a huge called success and i [TS]

  look at it and you know it's like it's [TS]

  not even breaking a sweat [TS]

  right i mean it's just it's so unfeeling [TS]

  effortless yeah so unassuming the [TS]

  special gel good but it's fun it's not [TS]

  trying too hard [TS]

  80 miles an hour becomes iconic it's not [TS]

  like they were trying to push it just [TS]

  became a little dangly unbelievable [TS]

  right you know like that was just the [TS]

  flames maybe even a special effects [TS]

  right the flames down the road [TS]

  that's just you know putting flammable [TS]

  thing on the road and lighting on fire [TS]

  and shoot a nominal data in in that shot [TS]

  at the end where they there's both [TS]

  sitting on the ground the fire goes yeah [TS]

  realize it's like it's drawn in and it [TS]

  literally Marty's leg is standing in the [TS]

  flame [TS]

  well it was acceptable accessible sci-fi [TS]

  that didn't bill itself as science white [TS]

  Hawk Down like Ghostbusters before right [TS]

  now that's why those two movies really [TS]

  are linked for me and we will do an [TS]

  uncomfortable but Ghostbusters some [TS]

  point that's one of the other the real [TS]

  genius would be in that 12 down so we'll [TS]

  move onto Ghostbusters which hopefully [TS]

  somebody will not come and beat to death [TS]

  John siracusa get it figured if you got [TS]

  you got you got the you got the know [TS]

  that's why i mentioned this is not here [TS]

  to defend him some but but oh those two [TS]

  movies showed there is a you know Star [TS]

  Wars show that there's a mass audience [TS]

  for a sci-fi adventure movie in the [TS]

  summer that people didn't realize was [TS]

  there [TS]

  back to the future and Ghostbuster [TS]

  showed that it doesn't have to be [TS]

  great it could be funny right you can do [TS]

  special effects and funny and in fact [TS]

  you put those two things together and [TS]

  you can have the biggest grossing movie [TS]

  of the year which i believe both of [TS]

  those movies were and it and then it [TS]

  unfortunately in the rest of the [TS]

  eighties you saw a lot of attempts to [TS]

  replicate that failed but those two [TS]

  don't think they made it was to her [TS]

  original stories and I don't think they [TS]

  were really you know Star Wars helps to [TS]

  be a certain to certain extent but they [TS]

  weren't a pic the way Star Wars when [TS]

  you're trying to emulate the rounded [TS]

  yeah in into the present day and they [TS]

  were really recognize you know they want [TS]

  everything on there like mannequin you [TS]

  know there was there was I think it took [TS]

  a big leap of faith especially for [TS]

  Ghostbusters for them to say you know [TS]

  what we're going to pay for big [TS]

  blockbuster special effects for a bill [TS]

  murray and Dan Aykroyd completed rifi [TS]

  and and likewise to say Steven Spielberg [TS]

  is making a sci-fi movie great where do [TS]

  I where do I sign up but it's a comedy [TS]

  seriously you know [TS]

  did you see his previous comedy that [TS]

  didn't go over very well I think this is [TS]

  it paves the way for movies like men in [TS]

  black but we also encourage them because [TS]

  it paved the way for movies like wild [TS]

  wild west men in black 2 right right but [TS]

  I i think i think in balance [TS]

  you're much better off yes I'm literally [TS]

  with movies that don't take themselves [TS]

  too seriously but can be both a [TS]

  blockbuster and have a sense of humor [TS]

  and I'm dead there are anything and can [TS]

  still make you think it's hard to I feel [TS]

  and I feel like that's one of things [TS]

  that makes it really it's hard to do a [TS]

  good movie without at least some humor [TS]

  know it's true and you know it all comes [TS]

  back to having a strong story and having [TS]

  strong characters and no matter what you [TS]

  if you if you make something solely [TS]

  based off the popularity of you know [TS]

  what I inspection yeah exactly [TS]

  you're gonna have a lot of nothing I [TS]

  mean you'll get the popularity of like [TS]

  science fiction and fantasy in today's [TS]

  and you look at you know okay let's make [TS]

  a movie about vampires right with ya [TS]

  yeah I'm awesome you know it was listed [TS]

  have been better for the had a couple [TS]

  jokes are vampires but that's right [TS]

  Jackie man like okay how about this you [TS]

  gonna tell the joke [TS]

  no yeah Jason could you tell me what [TS]

  your favorite not back to the future to [TS]

  that so that's a really nice segue [TS]

  blacks because I'm going I'm going to [TS]

  ask everybody except ran because she [TS]

  seems to have already told us [TS]

  well I'm or did she just ask right it's [TS]

  it's one of its one of the most [TS]

  intriguing i'll tell you what when you [TS]

  were gonna come back to last you can see [TS]

  if you can wrap your brain and come up [TS]

  with another another time problem i will [TS]

  get started [TS]

  thank you Lex usually I wait until the [TS]

  end and people like Jason you haven't [TS]

  told us what your favorite isn't why [TS]

  biding my time waiting to laugh I think [TS]

  I've good guess I'm making my way down [TS]

  to get our location and almost certainly [TS]

  knows what this is because i won't shut [TS]

  up about this movie and I've mentioned [TS]

  on previous podcast a member on so i'll [TS]

  mention it here it is a movie that was [TS]

  shot for about twenty-five thousand [TS]

  dollars by a guy who's never made a [TS]

  movie before he wrote it he directed his [TS]

  friends are in it i have watched it like [TS]

  five times I it it's confusing as hell [TS]

  and yet it is brilliant [TS]

  it's by a guy named shane carruth and [TS]

  the name of the movie is primer or you [TS]

  might call it primer but i believe it's [TS]

  called primer that's what i like to call [TS]

  it and it is a time travel movie with [TS]

  very specific rules and it's about a [TS]

  couple of guys who invented a time [TS]

  machine and the way the time travel [TS]

  works is is you can't travel back want [TS]

  except to the point where the [TS]

  time-travel machine was turned on so you [TS]

  can't go back into the deep past but you [TS]

  turn it on and then you go away for a [TS]

  while you come back and you can enter [TS]

  the box and come and travel backward to [TS]

  the point where you turn it on and then [TS]

  get back out i was kinda like a save [TS]

  point in the game it's it is so what [TS]

  ends up happening is the reason you turn [TS]

  it on and then leave is because if you [TS]

  turn it on and stay you'll watch [TS]

  yourself come out of the box so you [TS]

  leave and so so you pick this up and you [TS]

  see that these and it's very kind of [TS]

  obscure and they're talking about how [TS]

  they've invented sort of accidentally [TS]

  because they're like trying to do a tech [TS]

  startup and then [TS]

  talking about it in very technical terms [TS]

  and you think it's kind of dry and then [TS]

  you realize that it's a time machine [TS]

  because they they drive they drive to [TS]

  their the storage locker where they [TS]

  built the time machine and they see them [TS]

  and they leave their car and they see [TS]

  themselves leaving the storage locker [TS]

  it's crazy and over time what you [TS]

  realize you're not watching the first [TS]

  iteration of this you backed your [TS]

  actually you're actually watching [TS]

  several iterations in and these guys [TS]

  have already had the time machine but [TS]

  are now backing tracking over their [TS]

  timeline and there's a website where you [TS]

  can actually see the entire timeline of [TS]

  primer and it's incredibly confusing but [TS]

  it's brilliant and there are lots of [TS]

  just shocking moments where you realize [TS]

  you know those the sounds of the rats [TS]

  that are running around in the in the in [TS]

  the ceiling of the guys house might not [TS]

  be rats there might be like a guy from [TS]

  the future up there [TS]

  nice uh great stuff so it is confusing [TS]

  and yet it is internally consistent and [TS]

  i find it [TS]

  riveting even though it is this guy's [TS]

  only movie and he he did it with like [TS]

  kind of his own money and wikipedia says [TS]

  7,000 7,000 dollars he wanted he wanted [TS]

  maybe it's the $25,000 that maybe the [TS]

  prize he won because he wanted to film [TS]

  festival and the feeling is gross [TS]

  424,000 yeah and he and he and he will [TS]

  let himself he actually liked invested [TS]

  in in like lighting rigs that he built [TS]

  himself in order to light it properly [TS]

  it's crazy but that said it it's a good [TS]

  movie it's very confusing and yet it is [TS]

  it is brilliant and and kind of pure in [TS]

  its vision of time travel so so for me [TS]

  the number woman time travel movie is is [TS]

  primer and I have a second that i'll [TS]

  save to the end for it because i don't [TS]

  want to steal it in case somebody will [TS]

  come back to be damn more and how about [TS]

  you gotta go with Bill and Ted's [TS]

  Excellent sorry gotta get I was gonna be [TS]

  fantastic and has my favorite time [TS]

  travel scene ever which is after I think [TS]

  they're trying to get was it someone out [TS]

  there trying to get someone out of jail [TS]

  and so they need the keys and they say [TS]

  oh we've got the time machine right so [TS]

  like what if after this is all over we [TS]

  go back in time get the keys and leaving [TS]

  behind the sign here and there water [TS]

  around behind right behind right nothing [TS]

  goes whoa i love it because it's going [TS]

  to be perfect like yeah as long as they [TS]

  remember to do that that that will [TS]

  perfectly work [TS]

  yeah um and I think it's you know it's [TS]

  again another comedy movie this much [TS]

  what a lot more community i would argue [TS]

  oh yeah that back to the future but [TS]

  still a fairly pretty you know a pretty [TS]

  good movie just you know for the [TS]

  presence of among others George Carlin [TS]

  it's a great has an awesome movie part [TS]

  it was just very entertaining it's very [TS]

  it's a very strange movie but it i love [TS]

  all the time travel parts [TS]

  it's all good it's good natured to write [TS]

  it so easy go i love the scenes where [TS]

  they have to talk to themselves and like [TS]

  convinced themselves that actually like [TS]

  they're actually themselves from that [TS]

  you jerk right and it's just it's [TS]

  extremely well-written there are some [TS]

  great strange things are afoot at the [TS]

  Circle K this 13 lines in there and and [TS]

  just man I and it's got the doctor who [TS]

  inspired phone but yes the phone which [TS]

  is going home and I tried for so that [TS]

  the road as I recall you it's dial the [TS]

  year you wanted to go back to and then [TS]

  press the pound and star Keys [TS]

  simultaneously I tried that in every day [TS]

  I'm program that's good for like ya know [TS]

  I would probably still do that but it's [TS]

  just a fantastic and they they pick up [TS]

  all these guys you know all the [TS]

  historical figures Abraham Lincoln and [TS]

  so great sand sea Rises everything is [TS]

  right it's just such a it's such a fun [TS]

  dapoli and you know [TS]

  so in your summation Napoleon was a [TS]

  short dead dude [TS]

  right right although my favorite my [TS]

  favorite bill intense scene is in the [TS]

  sequel where the sequels that when they [TS]

  play twister with in and battleship with [TS]

  death and with death and the death is [TS]

  talking about bizarre Cutcliffe of [TS]

  collapse of of like highbrow and lowbrow [TS]

  its death from like a more Bergman plane [TS]

  advise william sadler a quiz a bad guy [TS]

  from diehards who is crazy [TS]

  so it's like this Bergman asked daddy to [TS]

  play we return battleship with Bill and [TS]

  Ted it is eight you notice journey [TS]

  underrated but i think a a surprisingly [TS]

  good sequel you know the original title [TS]

  of that was Bill and Ted go to hell [TS]

  which actually papers the bogus morning [TS]

  is awesome and they are in fact now [TS]

  talking about doing a third floor [TS]

  really doing a third one with them at [TS]

  you know returning counter reason Alex [TS]

  winters and having them play the [TS]

  characters at the age they would be now [TS]

  and someone we had a conversation with [TS]

  this was while he and George Carlin's [TS]

  gone what do you do and my friend lost [TS]

  weight but you know it's reversed he'll [TS]

  be young because he was told in the [TS]

  original movie so you can just recast [TS]

  the part because you know he's supposed [TS]

  to be a lot younger we can go back over [TS]

  the footage and and meet themselves in [TS]

  the past it's a very you know one of [TS]

  those movies that is kinda question is [TS]

  is it is it late eighties early nineties [TS]

  i'm not sure which one when it was made [TS]

  but it's it feels it's ladylike in 89 [TS]

  and I feel like it does have that sort [TS]

  of eighties movie vibe to it like it's [TS]

  kind of weird right these guys make a [TS]

  band that's gonna supposedly like save [TS]

  the world someday or something it's [TS]

  strange but I a double line [TS]

  yeah the light whole move it's a good [TS]

  one too late for movie ten francs where [TS]

  value I stole it sorry didn't know that [TS]

  was that was when I concur with damn you [TS]

  know in terms of entertainment value [TS]

  that is good in an injustice groundhog [TS]

  day contest i'm tellin ya sure that [TS]

  somebody is a little some point at some [TS]

  point we're probably gonna do a whole [TS]

  podcast about island a love to yeah [TS]

  which-which i would argue is one of that [TS]

  actually probably one of the best movies [TS]

  ever made [TS]

  I don't think is required my wife cannot [TS]

  stand it and I'm I'm like are you crazy [TS]

  this is one of the best movies [TS]

  my mother loves i love it one of my [TS]

  really think it is one of the best [TS]

  series with all seriousness share with [TS]

  you yes one of the best movies ever made [TS]

  yeah and at one because it's got all [TS]

  these levels it's funny [TS]

  yeah its dramatic and yet it actually [TS]

  says something about like the meaning of [TS]

  life which is a kind of amazing for a [TS]

  wacky comedy [TS]

  well let me default don't Drive Angry [TS]

  regard to drive regular I'm going to [TS]

  defer to attract no longer just to lex [TS]

  and we can continue talking about a [TS]

  little bit i'll pick something well be [TS]

  but feel free if you if you want to if i [TS]

  miss points you add them on the here's [TS]

  the reasons that I love and you just [TS]

  reference one of them days ago but when [TS]

  you think about groundhog day I think [TS]

  that the the journey Bill Murray takes [TS]

  that movie makes a lot of sense like at [TS]

  first you would be insane you write [TS]

  livid right furious and unhappy but then [TS]

  he decides I'm is perfect at that point [TS]

  yes it's like I'm gonna have [TS]

  to his character deciding i have to do [TS]

  something with this but let's not forget [TS]

  where these like suicidal for ya after [TS]

  day I could see every day that he [TS]

  suicide like sure it's a bit it's like [TS]

  almost a Buddhist monastery where he [TS]

  gets he gets past besides all i can do [TS]

  here is perfect myself because you get [TS]

  the assumption that he's been there for [TS]

  like a thousand years [TS]

  yes but to me but first I mean initially [TS]

  his point is how can I get you know [TS]

  Andie McDowell with poor choice but how [TS]

  can i get a big telephone lan the movies [TS]

  yeah but a and that's his first goals [TS]

  and you know very selfish in that rain [TS]

  but you know [TS]

  yes you just mentioned thousands of [TS]

  years ago Harold Ramos said that he [TS]

  thinks it's got to be at least 30 or 40 [TS]

  years and if you can think about that [TS]

  and really where I have to say my [TS]

  40-year he's doing that day over and [TS]

  over again read every book in the [TS]

  library learn to be an ice sculpture [TS]

  learn to be a masterpiece in there some [TS]

  logical flaws the movie like how does he [TS]

  keep going to the piano teacher and [TS]

  saying I need to learn how to play piano [TS]

  but he goes in at some point he's become [TS]

  not just a beginner the panel but [TS]

  accomplished and they're not just to [TS]

  college with super like somebody gets a [TS]

  little bit complicated why doesn't [TS]

  anybody work it out but I mean gogo [TS]

  different levels of different piano [TS]

  teachers and maybe it's to me you know [TS]

  there's was magically knows everybody [TS]

  knows they're all other stories and [TS]

  everything there is I don't have that [TS]

  world but eventually he even become so [TS]

  good that it's not just what do I have [TS]

  to do you know what's the right toast to [TS]

  make one we're going to have champagne [TS]

  and you know what's the what's the right [TS]

  jokes to make dynamic Dallas cetera but [TS]

  he decides I'm not just gonna do those [TS]

  things but I'm gonna save i'm going to [TS]

  better some other people's life I don't [TS]

  affect me selfishly I gonna attach to [TS]

  get something out of the tree [TS]

  I'm in it even though they could never [TS]

  happen she says thank you [TS]

  you know it is it it's like that to me [TS]

  is the part that's really interesting [TS]

  knows he's not here he know it has 40 [TS]

  years to get its all his selfish selfish [TS]

  impulses outright and presumably he [TS]

  slept with every woman that is he's [TS]

  capable of sleeping within the town and [TS]

  and that finds that wanting because [TS]

  there's never any trace of it the next [TS]

  time and he has to do it all again he [TS]

  just exhaust everything that he could do [TS]

  and there's nothing left to do but [TS]

  perfect himself and I like to believe [TS]

  that every once in awhile even as he's [TS]

  on this no spiritual journey to self [TS]

  betterment that every once in awhile you [TS]

  wake up and you just not feeling it [TS]

  takes fans and you know he killed [TS]

  himself in some gratifying [TS]

  exciting ways that building stay in bed [TS]

  right now but eventually he's got a [TS]

  schedule so he says okay [TS]

  the cats falling at this time the guy in [TS]

  the alley is getting you know I need [TS]

  food [TS]

  the guy in the restaurants choking on a [TS]

  stick ok I've got to be here that's [TS]

  right he creates the perfect day right [TS]

  and that's what gets him out of it and [TS]

  you're right but I mean greater always [TS]

  my favorite story about the movie [TS]

  Groundhog Day is my my sister used to [TS]

  live in Israel [TS]

  yeah and she and her Israeli husband [TS]

  moved to the United States or maybe they [TS]

  were just visiting that beer is my home [TS]

  they had never seen the film had been [TS]

  out for years but they had never seen [TS]

  the film so I can't believe that there's [TS]

  nobody there are people who have never [TS]

  seen this girl is years ago this was [TS]

  years ago but now now there wouldn't be [TS]

  anyone [TS]

  exactly but something is we would have [TS]

  had to fire off the spoiler horn if that [TS]

  were the case there's they're sitting in [TS]

  the in my family room in my old house in [TS]

  pennsylvania and we're watching them on [TS]

  a video we're watching a movie on video [TS]

  but their jet lag from having flown from [TS]

  israel so every time we fall asleep i'll [TS]

  just remind me the way the top faster [TS]

  than my sister eventually she becomes [TS]

  this was my is this movie's success only [TS]

  to show the same scenes again and again [TS]

  like I don't know people seem to like it [TS]

  and she follows me because it's what I [TS]

  just keep seeing the same see you [TS]

  basically gave me 180 the ring groundhog [TS]

  that's fascinating sociological [TS]

  experiment so so he hasn't spoken to be [TS]

  soon as we've been sitting here I've [TS]

  noticed ran sliding further and further [TS]

  down her seat and the answer is we [TS]

  didn't fire off the spoiler hard for her [TS]

  and she has not seen you never saw [TS]

  ground i have never seen the movie [TS]

  how is that possible and i haven't seen [TS]

  home alone so that you know yeah there [TS]

  you go [TS]

  well can I don't see Ferris Bueller I'm [TS]

  gonna last year ever so like Ted's [TS]

  Excellent Adventure did you sit really [TS]

  still haven't seen villain what has [TS]

  nobody seen primers five bodies and yeah [TS]

  thank you seem like you've never heard [TS]

  of I'm sorry rescue last last year on [TS]

  blu-ray actually yeah it was good have [TS]

  you discussed that movie Leah we have we [TS]

  have not although that was that was I [TS]

  think one of the points about about real [TS]

  genius as I was saying that I can give a [TS]

  read on the people who love Ferris [TS]

  Bueller that as somebody who had never [TS]

  seen it and has no nostalgia toward it [TS]

  it's a pretty good movie and I have the [TS]

  style shorten think it's a great move it [TS]

  over there waiting and idly would you [TS]

  think you know I religion [TS]

  oh yeah at the time and yes almost cries [TS]

  it was like it was ok [TS]

  we're very hard and was for Groundhog [TS]

  Day was shot by the way yeah listen [TS]

  woodstock gonna write exactly do you [TS]

  have another time travel movie well I [TS]

  stole yours since you both stole my [TS]

  first two traces I'm really high school [TS]

  well I think your time travel movie and [TS]

  dress that's your sister with the third [TS]

  round and time travel movie drives the [TS]

  new york next select I you know I did [TS]

  there's the the third and fourth one are [TS]

  probably wins art what's it [TS]

  I said the lake outside always gonna be [TS]

  no no IIM we're in time someone I would [TS]

  have made to see that movie i have fond [TS]

  memories of Time Bandit I hear you got [TS]

  into it because I was like 11 years old [TS]

  when it came out and I I don't know how [TS]

  I got to see it in theaters but I did [TS]

  and I was blown away i had an 11-year [TS]

  I've never seen time never seen this is [TS]

  it up i'm seeing a large everybody this [TS]

  is probably all of it but but not in [TS]

  years [TS]

  however the movie freaking me out yeah I [TS]

  was 11 years old I saw my parents my [TS]

  parents of course you are not sci-fi [TS]

  people were like that was the worst [TS]

  movie I've ever seen not and I was just [TS]

  like wow that is amazing i didn't get [TS]

  half of it but it was still amazing [TS]

  right [TS]

  and [TS]

  and [TS]

  and so I'm one of these days I want to [TS]

  go back and watch it again because it's [TS]

  probably been a good 15 20 years since [TS]

  I've seen it on a more recent note i [TS]

  would also have to i really like 12 [TS]

  monkeys [TS]

  ah well night i see yeah that was my is [TS]

  being interrogated that was my reserve [TS]

  pic that i was going to come back to 12 [TS]

  monkeys in my mind is is philosophically [TS]

  the perfect time travel yet because it [TS]

  it because it holds to the belief that [TS]

  what happened happened and that [TS]

  everything that happens is an attempt to [TS]

  change the past and yet it creates the [TS]

  past and that there's no way to change [TS]

  it and although that's kind of [TS]

  crushingly depressing in one way and [TS]

  that's a very dark depressing movie it's [TS]

  also kind of brilliant and I i love that [TS]

  movie a half agree with you because i [TS]

  think that the way the 12 monkeys treats [TS]

  time travel is exactly spot-on I think [TS]

  the movie itself is a bit ham-fisted and [TS]

  how it tells that story so I wouldn't [TS]

  put it I i love its handling time travel [TS]

  but i really don't love it's a excellent [TS]

  does the ending bother you because the [TS]

  end the ending bothers me and that it's [TS]

  it's it's it's pretty Telegraph yes my [TS]

  lord and it was although dan it came out [TS]

  like 20 years ago LOL i know i just felt [TS]

  through the crap yeah I do you want to [TS]

  flip out there by the way speaking of [TS]

  little time together well I i really [TS]

  found not the movie so much but i think [TS]

  it was an impossible movie to try to [TS]

  make but i think that the book that uh I [TS]

  don't have pronounce your last name so i [TS]

  won't try but the time traveler's wife I [TS]

  think reordering handles vinegar [TS]

  look I like you to say i like my book I [TS]

  didn't really love the movie i thought [TS]

  it was ok with the blood really handles [TS]

  time is fantastic so fantastic a [TS]

  narrative John my favorite incredible [TS]

  how do you let me just that the [TS]

  architecture of the book itself to [TS]

  figure out the time when the whole story [TS]

  is Billy if you haven't read the time [TS]

  traveler's wife go so good if you Flight [TS]

  if you've liked i'll also say if you [TS]

  liked any of the work that Steven Moffat [TS]

  has done for doctor who read the time [TS]

  traveler's wife because even steven [TS]

  moffat will say it was the inspiration [TS]

  for a lot of his time travel based kind [TS]

  of character romance stories that he's [TS]

  told and held again and told again and [TS]

  and it's great i i i love that book me [TS]

  to so many different ways especially [TS]

  because we can make away and that that's [TS]

  great that's great well they meet any [TS]

  meat right it's the only time you can [TS]

  tell a relationship like that where [TS]

  we're two people meet and one of them [TS]

  knows [TS]

  everything about the other one and the [TS]

  other ones never met the first one right [TS]

  both but because they're both packages [TS]

  and dad but I respect to many different [TS]

  times [TS]

  grace but you know on that now it's not [TS]

  technically a time travel movie but [TS]

  eternal sunshine has kind of that [TS]

  quality to it where that's you're going [TS]

  if you don't remember it's like it well [TS]

  no but I mean everything that we're [TS]

  married mary as as hopped up yeah no I [TS]

  will as they're going through memories [TS]

  they're going through memories in [TS]

  Reverse time and they're going through [TS]

  the reverse of relationship some reason [TS]

  which is interesting is it is a great me [TS]

  and I'm not I'm not I'm kind of [TS]

  skeptical with a lot of charlie kaufman [TS]

  stuff as i'm on the record as saying [TS]

  that I think adaptation is one of the [TS]

  worst movies i've ever seen but eternal [TS]

  sunshine is a great while you talk a lot [TS]

  of that up to michel gondry who I think [TS]

  is a really talented director [TS]

  Wow story my applied gas boiler war of [TS]

  words with friends that was said but the [TS]

  one the one that I was surprised that no [TS]

  one mentioned that i didn't really even [TS]

  remember think of his time travel movie [TS]

  until I checked Wikipedia is list of [TS]

  time tony was the Terminator franchise [TS]

  no I saw that but I can't say it's not [TS]

  it's not really is like it's like an [TS]

  action movie predicated on it but it's [TS]

  not really related travel time travel is [TS]

  so bad idea [TS]

  terminator don't punch later I I thought [TS]

  is actually a good movie i love a red [TS]

  the original terminator evo is actually [TS]

  doesn't get enough credit for being [TS]

  great with the second movie is good and [TS]

  second if it were just like 16 times [TS]

  don't think he is a chance the first [TS]

  movie like like 20 years after it came [TS]

  out right now is so sore laughs don't [TS]

  know that's true for the second special [TS]

  most likely to do not quit but i'm still [TS]

  cool for me because you terminate [TS]

  actually at the time with [TS]

  state-of-the-art is a million original [TS]

  terminator at the time was a low-budget [TS]

  movie right now so it'll also [TS]

  highlighted by a movie but you know I [TS]

  don't lot of people who say at the time [TS]

  that like the movie the robot at the end [TS]

  is still pretty like like cool but like [TS]

  you know not from the 20 years [TS]

  perspective but at the time they're like [TS]

  oh I got an awesome i always like [TS]

  Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park movies [TS]

  they had mind-blowing effects that just [TS]

  do not hold up about Jurassic park's a [TS]

  good example of a movie that completely [TS]

  changed how we thought of [TS]

  special-effects it really made right [TS]

  streams like CGI [TS]

  and-and-and it's laughable but this is [TS]

  what it's like a lot of stuff where the [TS]

  first move the first movie or TV show or [TS]

  a book or whatever that does something [TS]

  if you look at it without thinking of a [TS]

  context it's like oh really everybody [TS]

  does this now but at the time it was at [TS]

  first and now we look back and go well [TS]

  those aren't that great but at the time [TS]

  yeah it was impressed i don't know i [TS]

  mean there had to be that first movie [TS]

  that did that and it was jurassic park [TS]

  in every movie does that now you have [TS]

  the DVD or blu-ray laserdisc up to ask [TS]

  park and you have free time on your [TS]

  hands which you will do since you just [TS]

  listen to this podcast that you should [TS]

  go watch the final scene in jurassic [TS]

  park where I'm the t-rex has the [TS]

  Velociraptor his mouth is in the museum [TS]

  itself as explains his head around if [TS]

  you go frame by frame there's a frame [TS]

  where the the Velociraptor completely [TS]

  disappears from the t-rex's math and [TS]

  somebody w spotted it with your naked [TS]

  eye which I find amazing it's because [TS]

  they it was negated because they changed [TS]

  the timeline actually what the truth is [TS]

  the day he disappeared because he was a [TS]

  victim of the Velociraptor sure [TS]

  well thank you i'm surprised the time [TS]

  for time travel movie nobody mentioned [TS]

  star trek for which is a fantastic time [TS]

  felony it if it's it wasn't bad but it [TS]

  wasn't in my head it's a good great good [TS]

  move because it and that was the first [TS]

  star chick we are actually originally or [TS]

  west mesa totally off-kilter campy star [TS]

  trek movie that embraces you guys will [TS]

  start with you got the double dumbass on [TS]

  you you got you got the the the one that [TS]

  I love is fine doctor gave me a pill and [TS]

  groom me a new kidney where where dr. [TS]

  McCoy's in the hospital he's like they [TS]

  cut you open my god it's like a Spanish [TS]

  Inquisition and it's like our time I [TS]

  love spot feeling the feeling of nerve [TS]

  pinch to the guy with the boom box on [TS]

  the bus and everybody [TS]

  the guy was going to go into Britain [TS]

  he's got that mohawk [TS]

  yeah some night i think i would like it [TS]

  more now when i saw at the time I was [TS]

  like this is just horrible how it's hot [TS]

  it's gonna be hot i think i would [TS]

  appreciate living in the bay area though [TS]

  now i would be disturbed by the bad [TS]

  geography and because they're like [TS]

  standing on in the east bay next to the [TS]

  paper original like we got to get to [TS]

  alameda it's like to hear you right [TS]

  there what what what's going on but at [TS]

  the time I was like turning left bridges [TS]

  I mcintosh kamia computer that was right [TS]

  on low to no computer no there that's a [TS]

  and that's referenced in the other in [TS]

  the JJ Abrams reboot which is a time [TS]

  travel movie and well yeah and that's [TS]

  reference where they once again where [TS]

  this time spot from the future tell [TS]

  Scotty you will invent this thing so [TS]

  it's like Scotty gets it from both sides [TS]

  yeah I can't i mean i thought that the [TS]

  JJ Abrams movie was a fun movie but it's [TS]

  I find not that it's time travel [TS]

  handling is bogus just as much as its [TS]

  storytelling is bogus where that he ends [TS]

  up at exactly the right size on this [TS]

  extreme barren and I've heard their [TS]

  justifications for that and I agree that [TS]

  bothered me at the time but its [TS]

  subsequent rewatching has bothered me [TS]

  like that it's not my problem with that [TS]

  movie that the i am a big believer in in [TS]

  ii you will sell me on something if you [TS]

  say you know what in this alternate [TS]

  timeline the universe the universe is [TS]

  going to course-correct and it's gonna [TS]

  push the right people together because [TS]

  how after 80 timelines diverged like 20 [TS]

  years ago and yet everybody is on the [TS]

  bridge of the enterprise is exactly the [TS]

  same moment I so I'm willing to accept [TS]

  yes they were destined to be together [TS]

  my problem with that movie is mostly [TS]

  like you Leonard Leonard Nimoy as great [TS]

  as he is you know he comes on screen and [TS]

  then he has to do the exposition and [TS]

  there's that kind of like him scratching [TS]

  scene where he kind of mumbles about how [TS]

  there's like a black hole that's going [TS]

  to destroy the galaxy which doesn't even [TS]

  make any sense and then eats a planet [TS]

  and he fires the red matter and then [TS]

  Nero is angry at him and it just it [TS]

  doesn't make any sense you're at and [TS]

  i'll as much as I love that movie I [TS]

  can't watch that scene because it is so [TS]

  nonsensical and I do want to say when [TS]

  you pointed out in you know a spark is [TS]

  as mr. exposition and maybe think of the [TS]

  Austin Powers movies and I think it's [TS]

  the second door speaking of time travel [TS]

  that's killing us [TS]

  it does have a clever way was i who [TS]

  shackles right [TS]

  yes you know awesome powers of saying [TS]

  well you know how do we don't understand [TS]

  how this you know the tunnels gonna work [TS]

  and how many of me will be into i have a [TS]

  bad teeth a good teeth on these and he [TS]

  looks right at the camera says don't [TS]

  worry about it is a beer that is the way [TS]

  that it was a good call it like that way [TS]

  later [TS]

  yeah right all right I have a new [TS]

  favorite okay i don't know i was just [TS]

  saying other movies that aren't really [TS]

  about time travel that have time travel [TS]

  an army of darkness army of darkness is [TS]

  a great time traveling that isn't really [TS]

  about time for having saved know it's a [TS]

  classic and her haven't seen evil dead [TS]

  two yet army of darkness I saw first [TS]

  that's a army darkest I saw first and I [TS]

  slidellla everything then evil dead two [TS]

  are conducted well I mean that's a movie [TS]

  that's predicated on time travel but [TS]

  it's not really but if you got really [TS]

  bored today if you say I haven't seen [TS]

  evil did to yet does that mean you [TS]

  intend to protect to even she was also a [TS]

  very good move over by terrible good [TS]

  movie but yeah yeah I'm just I'm just [TS]

  I'm just doing a high-fidelity don't [TS]

  look at this point yeah and and kind of [TS]

  a neat the back to the future can't be [TS]

  time travel light there's also known as [TS]

  peggy sue got married which was a time [TS]

  travel movie john carradine is a member [TS]

  here one of the greatest bad actors ever [TS]

  done guaranteeing that nicolas cage with [TS]

  you know for ahead of valley girl hair [TS]

  so any other any other time travels you [TS]

  want you want to get out or will a [TS]

  future version of yourself come back in [TS]

  time to this point and blurt the name of [TS]

  a great time travel movie from 2020 [TS]

  hearing well you better take speaking of [TS]

  back in time if you haven't yet seen or [TS]

  don't remember the Saturday Night Live [TS]

  sketch when Michael J Fox hosted and [TS]

  he's in the elevator in a building and [TS]

  kevin nealon first walks in and [TS]

  recognizes michael j fox and start [TS]

  singing go back in time like singing a [TS]

  really high-pitched really poorly and [TS]

  then I think Dana Carvey comes in and I [TS]

  think they're all recognizing my box and [TS]

  singing the back in time song again yeah [TS]

  that's the if you haven't seen or don't [TS]

  remember that video you gotta find it [TS]

  i'm confident on online and its really [TS]

  really fine [TS]

  that's why throw that we have to find it [TS]

  show notes that's the power of love em [TS]

  don't take money where man don't take [TS]

  Fame you don't need no credit card to [TS]

  ride this train goes the Train only [TS]

  takes care what he says to ride this [TS]

  train to see you think that he saw the [TS]

  future and knew that in third movie they [TS]

  were going to use a travel huey lewis is [TS]

  actually a time travel [TS]

  you actually want me so much you know [TS]

  what he actually time traveler [TS]

  yes except for the baseline which was [TS]

  written by Ray Parker jr. sadly sadly [TS]

  the NewsHour curse at times you know [TS]

  open left behind in that that's why they [TS]

  really were behind right yeah and [TS]

  they're only exists in the present but [TS]

  he Lewis is is is at all times and space [TS]

  and simultaneous knowing some of the [TS]

  affection that people have in this room [TS]

  for the series i will say that i did not [TS]

  approve of how the television series [TS]

  lost in your strap ideally i enjoyed [TS]

  enjoyed their time travel section enjoy [TS]

  parts that i enjoyed this year's long as [TS]

  I didn't try thinking too hard about the [TS]

  time you agree with the great thing [TS]

  about watch the great thing about lost [TS]

  going to the seventies with the dharma [TS]

  initiative was because they got to do [TS]

  lots of funny stuff and I I think that's [TS]

  why they did it right is that they like [TS]

  well this is such a right period for us [TS]

  to talk about and you got to have Sawyer [TS]

  in his full on like Rockford Files mode [TS]

  and that this is sheriff of the dharma [TS]

  initiative and that was great but it [TS]

  didn't for comedy with the ultimate [TS]

  because they were lousy storytellers so [TS]

  i think it was fine and there was [TS]

  something i think there was some [TS]

  desperation there as well and would have [TS]

  all worked except that maybe they [TS]

  weren't for those meddling kids in the [TS]

  end it in the end it didn't pay off [TS]

  right and that stupid dog and it didn't [TS]

  make any sense that son did not get some [TS]

  back of the past with the present no no [TS]

  no I will defend the series but not on [TS]

  this podcast yes maybe another another [TS]

  time I don't under [TS]

  it's too bad you don't have a podcast [TS]

  that could use to talk about this about [TS]

  this thing it will will file it away [TS]

  we'll send it into a time capsule and [TS]

  put it in the future when we will [TS]

  discuss it at another time when we're [TS]

  back in time to the future you know [TS]

  anyway I'm us before before we go [TS]

  because we're about out of time out of [TS]

  time in fact a license plate on which at [TS]

  one which has one letter more than is it [TS]

  has eight letters and you can only get [TS]

  seven letters on the custom license [TS]

  plate in california which is how and the [TS]

  only reason I know that is that I always [TS]

  know that it's one too many out we're [TS]

  talking to my kids about about back to [TS]

  the future and I and my my son said that [TS]

  doesn't make back to the future doesn't [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  and I said well that's the point is that [TS]

  there in the past and then I have to get [TS]

  back to the future is known [TS]

  really have to get back to their present [TS]

  i guess so i guess i'll get more you [TS]

  gotta go back to the future the future [TS]

  alright man i think that by one semester [TS]

  a score of that theme [TS]

  oh yeah great movie music charges from [TS]

  the morning and answering my own the the [TS]

  soundtrack for the second movie I me I [TS]

  just university and then back to do [TS]

  overseas done and he just one-up Great [TS]

  Scott [TS]

  how do i get plain you know the name I [TS]

  know the cords and on that note I would [TS]

  like to thank my time traveling guests [TS]

  we traveled here from about an hour in [TS]

  the past actually Lex and I came from [TS]

  three hours in feature true how's the [TS]

  reception of this podcast it's a love it [TS]

  not so good are you from different [TS]

  timelines yes also hit NYC yeah it's [TS]

  very confusing so so thank you serenity [TS]

  couple thank you Jason thank you Lex [TS]

  Friedman it's a pleasure not just a [TS]

  laugh in this room [TS]

  dan Frakes thank you very much thank you [TS]

  for having me it was great to have you [TS]

  both you newbies to be uncomfortable and [TS]

  a more in the old be who's been on every [TS]

  podcast effort and will continue to be 2 [TS]

  into the future into the future where I [TS]

  will go now all right excellent [TS]

  until next time in the future this has [TS]

  been the incomparable podcast thanks for [TS]

  listening [TS]

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