The Incomparable

40: An Ending Ten Years in the Making

 

  the incomparable contest number already [TS]

  made 2011 [TS]

  we are back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

  and it is once again time I know that [TS]

  you're gonna find this hard to believe [TS]

  but it is once again time for the comic [TS]

  book club the comic book club is back [TS]

  its back in session [TS]

  alright art so joining me are my [TS]

  faithful members of the comic book club [TS]

  will we're gonna maybe we'll find a way [TS]

  to add somebody else at some point I [TS]

  don't know but we've got a solid three [TS]

  we went not need anymore [TS]

  Joyce joining me as always jason reitman [TS]

  hello hey and Lisa Schmeisser i'm [TS]

  already plenty initiation rites for the [TS]

  new remember oh yeah yeah we're going to [TS]

  have to make him read everything we've [TS]

  already read something horribly thats [TS]

  good know how to read the entire run of [TS]

  micronauts to satisfy me how bad I just [TS]

  for punishment [TS]

  wow that was probably the club the [TS]

  fastest mentioned in the microphones in [TS]

  any of if you have one minute and the [TS]

  over-under you if you if you chose one [TS]

  minute you win the lottery and the [TS]

  drinking game [TS]

  yes that's right i had to I had to get [TS]

  in there what better recognize me [TS]

  because micronauts really has nothing to [TS]

  do with planetary um so planetary was [TS]

  the choice that we made like a million [TS]

  years ago to talk about and we're [TS]

  actually going to talk about it [TS]

  especially not it's still feel like we [TS]

  should wait another 10 years just met [TS]

  yeah you can see how long they took [TS]

  planetary to come out with the 26 issues [TS]

  yeah i was shocked to discover that it [TS]

  took them [TS]

  it took them tell you we had 10 years to [TS]

  go 27 issues 26 issues something like [TS]

  that yeah shocking because i read it all [TS]

  i think i read the last date issues [TS]

  today and it's sort of unfair you do get [TS]

  the sense that I I did realize at some [TS]

  point when i started reading it it was [TS]

  clearly set right before the turn of the [TS]

  millennium and then as i'm reading the [TS]

  later issues they're talking about how [TS]

  it's already past and I'm like did I [TS]

  miss that or did this just takes so long [TS]

  to come out which which brings up some [TS]

  interesting continuity issues with the [TS]

  Millennium babies that were characters [TS]

  in a lot of war analysis stuff that kind [TS]

  of glossed over because I actually meant [TS]

  to the Millennium babies because that [TS]

  was a huge component of the Holy that [TS]

  was a huge component of a whole universe [TS]

  when they first started you had Jennie [TS]

  sparks with the authority and Elijah [TS]

  snow and the two of them obviously know [TS]

  each other right and there was a [TS]

  potential and they had the one crossover [TS]

  comic with the two of them but they took [TS]

  that really great idea of of a planetary [TS]

  defense system and just dropped it so so [TS]

  let's back up a second because as [TS]

  somebody who you [TS]

  guys really know this stuff and I have [TS]

  I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to [TS]

  this as with many things I I never I [TS]

  never I think I've heard of this but i [TS]

  knew nothing about it so it's it's a [TS]

  wild storm in print book right which is [TS]

  DC basically but it's a specific like [TS]

  what do you see misty significant yeah [TS]

  while slamming mr. me and wild storm was [TS]

  Jim Lee's studio that was part of Image [TS]

  Comics huh and everything started that [TS]

  way at some point many years ago DC [TS]

  bought wildstorm so they left just moved [TS]

  over to DC they were their own universe [TS]

  a year or two ago then DC folded the [TS]

  universe into the DC Universe and just [TS]

  last year they I or maybe was earlier [TS]

  this year they've cancelled all of the [TS]

  wild storm titles [TS]

  ah alright so so started image move to [TS]

  DC its own universe [TS]

  I've read something in this universe [TS]

  before because i read the authority [TS]

  yes which is any sparks and then this [TS]

  has a large snow which is an another one [TS]

  of these Millennium Bridge century [TS]

  babies are essentially baby yeah we [TS]

  could there be rolled on New Year's Day [TS]

  1982 almost to live a hundred years and [TS]

  I yeah right so yeah which is [TS]

  complicated because you know is the [TS]

  planetary ends up being after the end of [TS]

  the century but Elijah's still ok i [TS]

  thought well he didn't he obviously [TS]

  skated on that one so so 26-27 something [TS]

  like that issues over the course of 10 [TS]

  years we state by warren ellis and John [TS]

  Cassady who I actually first saw his art [TS]

  with Joss Whedon be starting actually [TS]

  yes and that's one of the reasons [TS]

  planetary took so long as he left to go [TS]

  do that Mary started before that and [TS]

  finished it [TS]

  afghan planetary started and then there [TS]

  were 24 issues of astonishing x-men and [TS]

  then they finished the 25 issues of [TS]

  planetary wow so i have to say have [TS]

  being the one who just read this this is [TS]

  this thing you had me read this is one [TS]

  of the craziest things I have ever ever [TS]

  read crazy as comics certainly really it [TS]

  is it is crazy in a good [TS]

  way but it is because it's this I mean [TS]

  how many layers are going on here [TS]

  let's let's let's break it down because [TS]

  otherwise I my head will explode a whole [TS]

  underlying thing here is that we're [TS]

  looking at analogues of other not even [TS]

  superheroes other heroic kind of [TS]

  archetypal let's not even archetypes [TS]

  they're like ver altered versions of [TS]

  heroic famous characters but they're [TS]

  archetypes I mean is there's the [TS]

  superman and wonder woman right we ready [TS]

  right and the reason to send the spoiler [TS]

  horns or something similarly the floor [TS]

  spoiler horn [TS]

  because there's that one mission where [TS]

  they kill Superman and Green Lantern [TS]

  Wonder Woman same issue [TS]

  yeah all right and it's a great she [TS]

  wanted when I realized they're not like [TS]

  they're not actually Superman right by [TS]

  your side just be a benefit from outer [TS]

  space who comes down to earth and make a [TS]

  woman from island to come yes save [TS]

  mankind bracelets so some of them are [TS]

  are are analogues their parallels to [TS]

  existing ones and then you've got some [TS]

  characters a character who is kind of [TS]

  like the shadow but he's also kinda like [TS]

  the green hornet right and there's a [TS]

  ghost writer and all alone the lone [TS]

  ranger is the one that blew in and then [TS]

  there's a where where I'm sitting there [TS]

  was reading the story thinking wow this [TS]

  is pretty wacky he's out in the desert [TS]

  and his body's been dumped but he's not [TS]

  quite dead and the Indian pumps him full [TS]

  of hallucinogens and all of a sudden [TS]

  he's like the biggest rally make silver [TS]

  bullets and put sash around his eyes and [TS]

  he's the ghost Ranger Wow [TS]

  and then what was the other one of the [TS]

  other crazy one main antagonist of the [TS]

  Fantastic Four well thats oh so we [TS]

  always comes back to the Fantastic Four [TS]

  with us so i find it funny that that I [TS]

  assume would be another one of these [TS]

  analogs in me and go there with the are [TS]

  our friends at home listening to this [TS]

  the the way planetary setup is each [TS]

  issue is a self-contained story [TS]

  essentially and that up to still be [TS]

  until the end and all these characters [TS]

  that were talking about these analogs [TS]

  they introduced it's like one issue [TS]

  typically sometimes more but it's sort [TS]

  of there's a complete story line there [TS]

  where the the planetary is a planetary [TS]

  organization planetary agency planetary [TS]

  group with governing body whenever they [TS]

  yeah they are [TS]

  explore archaeologists of the unknown [TS]

  they're weird about discovering the [TS]

  secret history of the planet [TS]

  their job is to curate mysteries [TS]

  basically yeah and so each time they [TS]

  they find this mystery like in the the [TS]

  Hulk story it was this town in New [TS]

  Mexico that was used for bomb [TS]

  experiments and then they find this very [TS]

  deep pit that this person who became the [TS]

  incredible hulk analog the government [TS]

  dug a really big hole and put it in and [TS]

  then it was about how it took him 60 [TS]

  years to starve to death and you know [TS]

  essentially most of these analogs end up [TS]

  dying tragically as if they if Godzilla [TS]

  and logged eyes tear it another terrible [TS]

  way [TS]

  yeah it's sort of if these people really [TS]

  existed what would d write the governing [TS]

  bodies do to them and literary world [TS]

  helbred kill them right away I and then [TS]

  it turns out that the people organizing [TS]

  this or that fantastic for analog which [TS]

  have been sort of retarding the growth [TS]

  of humanity for the last 60 years or so [TS]

  in like taking all these extraordinary [TS]

  things that could be gifts to mankind [TS]

  and either burying them killing them [TS]

  hiding them [TS]

  yeah i think it's interesting because [TS]

  they introduced the Fantastic Four [TS]

  analog and I kind of expect again that [TS]

  will be a one-shot deal and I and I say [TS]

  oh I see what they're doing and there's [TS]

  a4 and there's the scientist and his [TS]

  girlfriend and a rough-and-tumble test [TS]

  pilot and the kid brother and they go [TS]

  and then they they come back and and [TS]

  they've got you know some recognizable [TS]

  powers that's like clearly the Fantastic [TS]

  Four and look and they're they're [TS]

  horrible and they're not just horrible [TS]

  they become again we've already fired [TS]

  the spoiler horn here they are the [TS]

  villain of the of the story arc of this [TS]

  25 issue limited series there the super [TS]

  super bad guys and which I thought was [TS]

  kind of brilliant because the whole rest [TS]

  of the run i'm sitting there kind of [TS]

  laughing as i read thinking oh the [TS]

  Fantastic Four very very bad people [TS]

  because there's also the identity [TS]

  mystery that starts off for Elijah snow [TS]

  is just trying to figure out why he's [TS]

  lost so much of his memory and who is he [TS]

  what is what is he doing what is this [TS]

  connection and said it was the fourth [TS]

  man [TS]

  yes the planetary is made up of three [TS]

  right three individuals and then the [TS]

  fourth man is the mysterious benefactor [TS]

  who runs the planetary organization and [TS]

  then you find out a lot of snow is the [TS]

  fourth man and it was actually just like [TS]

  this on memory yeah and the question is [TS]

  who's the real fourth man and that's [TS]

  when they have the the very last issue [TS]

  which is sort of here and now the gang [TS]

  is back together right and i have to [TS]

  admit i love this series III love this [TS]

  series as a whole but the last issue is [TS]

  kind of problematic for me because it [TS]

  feels a little bit too like the rear is [TS]

  well it's like it's like a reunion just [TS]

  like a seasoned it's like a cedar sonali [TS]

  we're all shocked is getting married and [TS]

  we brought back this guy from his [TS]

  international totally how it felt to me [TS]

  is it's the coda where we get to see [TS]

  everybody and everybody gets a kind of [TS]

  an ending and [TS]

  and an ACN being a huge fan of time [TS]

  travel all that meta discussion about [TS]

  that was so the world could collapse in [TS]

  time machine was built in and going into [TS]

  kind of the pseudoscience of that is [TS]

  awesome so create a speaking of crazy [TS]

  one of the things that I thought was [TS]

  really crazy as this idea that that is [TS]

  based on some if not scientific facts [TS]

  and some valid scientific theory which [TS]

  is that they're you know it's a [TS]

  snowflake in a several thousand [TS]

  dimensional universe and that we're [TS]

  actually not in a three-dimensional [TS]

  universe but our holographic projection [TS]

  on a two-dimensional universe i just [TS]

  read a book which I mentioned on the [TS]

  previous podcast by brian greene that's [TS]

  about parallel universes that talks in [TS]

  detail about this idea the holographic [TS]

  theory that that three dimensions are [TS]

  actually just an effect of a [TS]

  two-dimensional surface and that's in [TS]

  planetary throughout they keep talking [TS]

  about the two-dimensional information [TS]

  set and there are a bunch of a stack of [TS]

  universes and it's pretty you can read [TS]

  it as just being sort of like ridiculous [TS]

  comic mumbo-jumbo except is actually [TS]

  isn't and it's kind of fascinating on [TS]

  the idea that the drummer kinda can tap [TS]

  into the information source and that [TS]

  they're all sort of the reason there are [TS]

  the the century babies is because [TS]

  they're kind of generated out of the [TS]

  information playing in order to protect [TS]

  things and be error correction and it's [TS]

  it's it's crazy but it's not just like [TS]

  ridiculous flight of fancy it there's [TS]

  something to it it was that's the two [TS]

  points with that the first is it a lot [TS]

  of great writers are able to do that [TS]

  sort of thing like the warren ellis alan [TS]

  moore back to the original comic writers [TS]

  in the sixties he doesn't like [TS]

  Frankenstein Mary Shelley trans person [TS]

  because the Invisibles has a lot of that [TS]

  to where there's the extra dimensional [TS]

  black brother extra their extra [TS]

  dimensional worlds that are basically [TS]

  pure information and a lot of what goes [TS]

  on to the Invisibles comes down to who's [TS]

  trying to control the information and [TS]

  alter reality as we understand it and [TS]

  the last issue of that series pretty [TS]

  much ends with them having effectively [TS]

  hacked reality change the whole world [TS]

  perceptions and then the last the last [TS]

  page is one of the characters holding [TS]

  his hand and saying oh where we go what [TS]

  we do and so when I was reading through [TS]

  planetary over 10 years i would add [TS]

  uh-huh I thought they were actually kind [TS]

  of a lot of parallels to the Invisibles [TS]

  in the sense that there are structures [TS]

  within structures things that you can [TS]

  perceive things outside your perception [TS]

  and what happens this was something [TS]

  outside your perception ships into your [TS]

  perception it's dealing with the reality [TS]

  Fallout and the i was reading some meta [TS]

  stuff into it as well we're talking [TS]

  about the the two dimensional planes 3d [TS]

  people standing on them i was thinking [TS]

  the two dimensional planes were the page [TS]

  that i was looking at them on and that [TS]

  information stack is the stack of papers [TS]

  making up this comic book i'm reading [TS]

  now and that they were sort of at some [TS]

  level talking about where characters in [TS]

  this book the same way grant narrow [TS]

  Morrison always talks about characters [TS]

  in a narrative and what makes it more [TS]

  exciting is what you bring to it is i'm [TS]

  excited about your idea because there's [TS]

  what you bring to it as a reader to as [TS]

  you're reading it you're also thinking [TS]

  about different comics you've read and [TS]

  have it all ties in so you're bringing [TS]

  even more dimensions of information as [TS]

  well and when I have to reach that level [TS]

  there is not level to where they talk [TS]

  about the though the realm of fiction [TS]

  which is actually a little bit similar [TS]

  to the the unwritten we talked about in [TS]

  our first comic book club where there's [TS]

  a realm of fiction and there's somebody [TS]

  who comes out of it and they go back [TS]

  into it there's like a universe that's [TS]

  created and and they they tie that in at [TS]

  the end and they say well you know if [TS]

  you've got this kind of two-dimensional [TS]

  Arizona of information from which [TS]

  everything is all the universes are [TS]

  generated then you're not just it's not [TS]

  some necessarily fantastical land of [TS]

  fiction it could you know writers create [TS]

  a universe it could be a real universe [TS]

  that created that it is reality it's not [TS]

  just a flight of fancy [TS]

  it's real which is which ties into that [TS]

  which is a like I said crazy but it's [TS]

  it's really cool [TS]

  um time-travel you mentioned and that [TS]

  was another on my list of things that I [TS]

  i just took my head was like wow there's [TS]

  so much here is so dense that you you [TS]

  you mentioned it in in the finale [TS]

  basically there's this whole idea about [TS]

  you can create a time machine but when [TS]

  you create a time machine [TS]

  you can't travel further back than the [TS]

  creation of the time machine which is an [TS]

  idea i don't know if you guys have seen [TS]

  the movie primer yep which is a [TS]

  low-budget brilliant crazy also crazy [TS]

  low-budget sci-fi movie about these [TS]

  these guys in a office [TS]

  parking rocks austin texas who build a [TS]

  time machine invented a time machine and [TS]

  it's a it's a you can watch it like 10 [TS]

  times and still not know what's going on [TS]

  because they keep on going back over [TS]

  each others time lines but I that I [TS]

  thought about that because it's a [TS]

  similar kind of premise but what they [TS]

  take it to is the next level and say [TS]

  right now it's all possibilities but [TS]

  once you create a time machine it [TS]

  flattens all the possibilities and just [TS]

  creates a single true reality because [TS]

  they can all travel back and and they [TS]

  all will travel back to the earliest [TS]

  point they can and you know there's no [TS]

  real resolution to that other than maybe [TS]

  that's not the way it works and Elijah [TS]

  snow doesn't care he's gonna we're gonna [TS]

  do the time-traveling anyway and then [TS]

  suddenly analogues of themselves [TS]

  dozens of analogs of themselves from the [TS]

  future appear to watch them as soon as [TS]

  he presses the button which is you know [TS]

  a great scene again i'm not quite sure [TS]

  whether I parsed how much sense it makes [TS]

  or not but it's sort of chilling to [TS]

  watch it in a way that the way they are [TS]

  laid out very very artfully about how [TS]

  they do the time sequence where you see [TS]

  them appear which I was impressed [TS]

  throughout i think that the the way that [TS]

  it's the way that it's drawn in the way [TS]

  the sequence of the panel's even our are [TS]

  so cinematic and that there's lightning [TS]

  is really i mean sometimes there's a [TS]

  page in one of the latter issues which i [TS]

  thought you know this is just brilliant [TS]

  timing it's four panels and the dialogue [TS]

  is on the third panel and it's entirely [TS]

  built so that you have that pause where [TS]

  where [TS]

  pause for the joke and then the joke [TS]

  it's or the punchline um kind of amazing [TS]

  but the time travel was the one that [TS]

  really impressed me there and I read [TS]

  that seen similar to when we did the [TS]

  first nuclear bomb tests and there was a [TS]

  very real possibility that there be a [TS]

  chain reaction and it would ignite the [TS]

  atmosphere and all life on earth would [TS]

  end and you know they thought it was [TS]

  worth the risk and Elijah snow knowing [TS]

  that during the time machine [TS]

  there's a very real possibility flattens [TS]

  all of reality and the universe [TS]

  attention implodes and everything is [TS]

  over the minute you turn on the time [TS]

  machine but it was worth the risk to [TS]

  save the third yeah and he was like I [TS]

  don't care [TS]

  push the button and it turns out they [TS]

  were wrong [TS]

  to yeah right right he would take the [TS]

  risk and that was just great i mean it [TS]

  is feel like a series finale but I a and [TS]

  it's weird because the main arc is over [TS]

  but at the same time I kinda like the [TS]

  the whole idea of its a guy who can [TS]

  control physics and so he stops time and [TS]

  he creates a little bubble bubble where [TS]

  time doesn't move but how do you get him [TS]

  out of it if you can't go into it [TS]

  because there's no time inside the [TS]

  bubble and so it was like well now that [TS]

  we've had the end of our series and [TS]

  we've reached this exalted position [TS]

  what do we do there and rather than take [TS]

  that you know for another 20 issues over [TS]

  the next 50 years they decide well [TS]

  here's an example of the kind of stuff [TS]

  that is in the life of planetary now [TS]

  that they've defeated the four is [TS]

  they're gonna do stuff crazy stuff like [TS]

  this and you can kind of only imagine [TS]

  what other crazy stuff they do when you [TS]

  the one not one but one of the redeeming [TS]

  graces of the last issue tues at one [TS]

  level planetary is also about Elijah [TS]

  snow emotional journey right because [TS]

  either he deliberately regress tour [TS]

  there was something kind of broken him [TS]

  when he did agree to be mindwiped by the [TS]

  four and over the course of the series [TS]

  you find out the things that drove the [TS]

  young man the heartbreak he endured with [TS]

  to keep his mom and by the end of it [TS]

  he's the kind of guy who's like I have [TS]

  no problem like the University it means [TS]

  saving a friend and that's something [TS]

  that Elijah snow would probably not have [TS]

  done it earlier points in the in this in [TS]

  the story but over the course of 26 [TS]

  issues you see how he begins to put in [TS]

  heavy emotional lifting and work on on [TS]

  how i feel about these people that I'm [TS]

  working with and and what kind of steak [TS]

  do I haven't been in their happiness in [TS]

  mind and they comment on that [TS]

  like that whole last issue all of his [TS]

  friends are actually the last couple [TS]

  issues friends are like all right he's [TS]

  changed so much but they were kind of [TS]

  afraid right him and what he's seen so [TS]

  much the mind wipe and he says no no you [TS]

  know i have changed but that's not why [TS]

  yeah right yeah and it's actually one of [TS]

  the one of the characteristics about [TS]

  wildstorm I always felt is that it's not [TS]

  a warm and mushy type of universe is not [TS]

  overly emotional or filled with a lot of [TS]

  sincerity it's it's characterized by [TS]

  kind of a reflexive irony and grim sense [TS]

  of purpose and that can be a lot of fun [TS]

  to read for example when they had storm [TS]

  watches a series of the the [TS]

  a dialog and the the crazy ambitions [TS]

  people had were two of the feelings with [TS]

  the characters about storm watches the [TS]

  storm watches with Christian Sabbath or [TS]

  authority right and then an authority [TS]

  you have one of the things that was [TS]

  driving that was the rock-hard [TS]

  conviction all the characters that hey [TS]

  we're superheroes we we can clean up the [TS]

  world and no one's going to stop us so [TS]

  let's do it which is actually one of the [TS]

  reasons why i wasn't disappointed at one [TS]

  point at which planetary ends yeah [TS]

  because you could do it another series [TS]

  about what happens when they read reach [TS]

  that exalted position if they did it and [TS]

  it's the authority that's what that's [TS]

  about [TS]

  yeah right one is also that in this case [TS]

  the ones who had reached an exalted [TS]

  position where the four right and [TS]

  initially it was in right because they [TS]

  make this deal in the morning race to [TS]

  that will return our planets growth rate [TS]

  lock twist and we'll set you guys up and [TS]

  we'll set it up for easy invasion and oh [TS]

  by the way let's without another planets [TS]

  population to store our weapons right [TS]

  like that's one of the most indelible [TS]

  panels of the series for me is when [TS]

  they're standing and they realize that [TS]

  they're just standing in a sea of bones [TS]

  because the four had such contempt for [TS]

  life of any form they couldn't even be [TS]

  bothered to clean up their mess they [TS]

  just left it right there and right but [TS]

  in a way because one else created the [TS]

  authority as well yes and you know in [TS]

  some ways I think planetary was a almost [TS]

  an admission that if the authority [TS]

  existed like the four ya another group [TS]

  would have to take them now like that [TS]

  you can't be allowed to continue [TS]

  there's a planetary authority crossover [TS]

  just there is one option yep and you see [TS]

  that the authority has turned into just [TS]

  this horrible collection of cyborgs and [TS]

  Lynn reptilian figures that goes from [TS]

  universe to universe destroying the [TS]

  planetary organization everywhere it [TS]

  goes huh [TS]

  and so in planetary finally shuts them [TS]

  down so it does play out that tension [TS]

  between unchecked power versus idealism [TS]

  but you know looking back round the [TS]

  original point actually think I'm [TS]

  planetary is one of the most humane [TS]

  books when you think about it in the [TS]

  wild storm universe because again you've [TS]

  got people who are doing things added a [TS]

  genuine sense of compassion and [TS]

  curiosity and wonder as opposed to I can [TS]

  shoot fire from my fingertips [TS]

  how can I use this against genocidal [TS]

  dictators right there is that the the [TS]

  whole idea of an archaeologist and there [TS]

  is a detachment and the [TS]

  sort of observation of of that all that [TS]

  kind of cynicism and we've you know we [TS]

  found this woman who came to save [TS]

  mankind so we kill her [TS]

  yeah like they the book and get that [TS]

  across but not lose any of that hope [TS]

  your idealism because the characters who [TS]

  are sort of discovering this are doing [TS]

  it from the outside [TS]

  Yeah right there their job is to me the [TS]

  story arc is a hole right you start [TS]

  their job is done on earth the the [TS]

  evidence of what happened and observe it [TS]

  right and and the story arc really comes [TS]

  from the fact that by collecting all of [TS]

  that information their route something [TS]

  is revealed that they can't not take [TS]

  action so so you know in the end they [TS]

  can't be just observers of this stuff [TS]

  but that's sort of the initial thing is [TS]

  that you know they're not they're not [TS]

  really rendering judgment they are just [TS]

  discovering what happened and then [TS]

  putting into their planetary guides [TS]

  right right we should then accumulates [TS]

  to the point where it becomes quite [TS]

  clear that something is going on that [TS]

  they need to do something about it and [TS]

  that kicks off the ark it's quite clever [TS]

  because you you think what you're seeing [TS]

  is almost an anthology series and then [TS]

  it turns out that it's actually you've [TS]

  actually been seeing huge just seeds of [TS]

  story arc that will then largely get [TS]

  paid off right i mean it [TS]

  most of that stuff does get paid off its [TS]

  not just sort of there for fun generally [TS]

  you get toward the end of an issue and [TS]

  you realize oh that's why the story is [TS]

  important instead of just being like [TS]

  well that was interesting as an huh well [TS]

  with the spaceship is my favorite where [TS]

  they send the thing character away [TS]

  well and not just that you've got the [TS]

  guy who agrees to basically give up his [TS]

  humanity in his life to write to steer [TS]

  the ship as well and even when they do [TS]

  do that the issue where they said that [TS]

  thing away they have the recording [TS]

  angels who are going to go to their [TS]

  deaths and all the all the expresses [TS]

  gratitude for the opportunity to be able [TS]

  to record the experiences they go and [TS]

  there's all these little humbling [TS]

  moments that are just scattered to the [TS]

  whole series where the there's kind of a [TS]

  sense of joy of discovery throughout it [TS]

  where we have all these people who were [TS]

  like yes they're all this is not the [TS]

  life I would've chosen but think about [TS]

  what I'm going to get out of what I'm [TS]

  doing now and it's incredibly optimistic [TS]

  it is [TS]

  yeah you know for those [TS]

  I I imagine they're probably some people [TS]

  listening I would cut quite who haven't [TS]

  read it yet and that's okay because I [TS]

  mean hey the good guys one of the end [TS]

  big shock but home but how they do it is [TS]

  it really is about the journey what I'd [TS]

  say is that this is this book really [TS]

  hits the sweet spot if you're somebody [TS]

  who likes superhero comics and likes the [TS]

  kind of sci-fi website my comics or [TS]

  other side kind of sci-fi stuff which i [TS]

  always i was loved to and for me this is [TS]

  this great combination of that because [TS]

  they are these crazy science fictional [TS]

  concepts throughout and yet it's also [TS]

  all about iconic heroes not just [TS]

  superheroes but you know like The Lone [TS]

  Ranger and things like that too and [TS]

  Tarzan and you put it all together in a [TS]

  in a blender and it's you know it's a [TS]

  great combination to get both of those [TS]

  things I think it would appeal to people [TS]

  who like some of those sort of mysteries [TS]

  like x-files or lost because there is [TS]

  that that that discovery aspect in that [TS]

  on yelling kind of always think this is [TS]

  almost the x-files done right where [TS]

  you've got the you've got the soft [TS]

  contains stories but there's a myth in [TS]

  an origin story that artists throughout [TS]

  and there's an actual satisfying pay off [TS]

  as opposed to and now we ended in a cave [TS]

  yeah right lost its like lost in the [TS]

  sense that that all the TV shows that [TS]

  try to replicate lost made a mistake of [TS]

  having crazy sci-fi art stuff happened [TS]

  in the first episode we at with lots of [TS]

  time discontinuities and stuff like that [TS]

  and if you look at the first season of [TS]

  lost what got people hooked on lost is [TS]

  that it was slow there were very few [TS]

  genre things introduced at all and it [TS]

  was all about characters and telling [TS]

  stories and then they would continually [TS]

  Ratchet it up and you know and they lost [TS]

  some people and other people in the [TS]

  audience stayed fair you know there's a [TS]

  whole argument to be made about lost in [TS]

  a different podcast but that's what [TS]

  struck me about planetary I now that you [TS]

  mention it is it it takes its time like [TS]

  that and whatnot you don't you don't say [TS]

  this is going to be a complicated story [TS]

  arc about this group and this group [TS]

  battling each other over the fate of the [TS]

  planet instead you say hey there's this [TS]

  group who learned these interesting [TS]

  stories we're going to tell those [TS]

  stories and then as you see the stories [TS]

  it starts to come together and you [TS]

  realize there is something bigger that [TS]

  you know that sort of stealth approach [TS]

  if you did the story you're reading is [TS]

  not a story you think you're reading so [TS]

  much more effective and you know I go [TS]

  back to the lost knock [TS]

  I swear they didn't get it that you know [TS]

  go jumping to the end doesn't make you [TS]

  get to satisfaction faster it destroys [TS]

  all the satisfaction because you you [TS]

  know you don't have that moment of [TS]

  discovery because I freely admit as a [TS]

  reader reading the back third planetary [TS]

  was really really exciting I mean I got [TS]

  into a pretty much when it started and [TS]

  1600 it's fun to read whatever but when [TS]

  i would say in the last six or seven [TS]

  issues for coming out i was i would [TS]

  practically skip home from the comic [TS]

  book store because I was just so excited [TS]

  to see what the payoffs would be those [TS]

  last six issues came out over the course [TS]

  of seven years [TS]

  yes it was but it was the race between [TS]

  that and rising star is honestly to see [TS]

  which one would address so i was so [TS]

  bitter about that but it was the if [TS]

  reading through that series is so [TS]

  satisfying especially if you did sink in [TS]

  again ten years by the time you're at [TS]

  the end of it you're like oh my gosh [TS]

  they think they've pulled this reference [TS]

  out they've tried this back in and you [TS]

  see all these pieces fall into place and [TS]

  i'm not sure how much of that is a side [TS]

  effect of well they've had this leisure [TS]

  of time and space to wrap things up and [TS]

  really thinking through and how much of [TS]

  it they had planned out and then [TS]

  surprise other projects got in the way [TS]

  but either way it makes for really [TS]

  gratifying experiences a reader it [TS]

  didn't I would think of all the comics [TS]

  I've read and then when you are asked [TS]

  that desert island question if you have [TS]

  one series you know for the rest of your [TS]

  life this is the only comic you're ever [TS]

  going to read I think planetary would be [TS]

  it [TS]

  wow it to meet has certainly a lot there [TS]

  right a lot they're entering the the [TS]

  tone was just so pitch perfect and [TS]

  you're talking about it earlier with [TS]

  like the art and the pacing in this [TS]

  cinematic miss of the whole thing it's [TS]

  just pitch perfect tone and it's so [TS]

  beautiful to look at I mean Cassidy's [TS]

  art is just sublime that he's great i [TS]

  recommend buying it in the the two [TS]

  absolute collection CM because then you [TS]

  have the large oversized start it's just [TS]

  gorgeous and the good news is when you [TS]

  order those they come and they don't [TS]

  wait 10 years right [TS]

  that's seriously from for those who who [TS]

  didn't see it all the way through [TS]

  now you can just watch it I mean that [TS]

  that is the advantage of of waiting the [TS]

  disadvantages that you don't get to see [TS]

  a while it's happening because you can [TS]

  get it all wrapped up [TS]

  that was my philosophy my stock much [TS]

  battlestar galactica was I wanted to [TS]

  make sure the whole series wrapped up [TS]

  and people are satisfied with it before [TS]

  it started [TS]

  did wrap-up and some people were [TS]

  satisfied and some people some people [TS]

  well I say that about loss to write lost [TS]

  wrapped up in a lot of people were [TS]

  dissatisfied I thought it was both of [TS]

  those series I thought the last season [TS]

  was a disappointment and at the end i [TS]

  thought you know i wasn't as down on the [TS]

  end I I guess I must be forgiving of [TS]

  series finales because you know it's [TS]

  tough to do a big finish and I didn't [TS]

  think they completely either of them [TS]

  completely blue and I thought the state [TS]

  i thought that the last episodes of both [TS]

  of those shows were were maybe good unto [TS]

  themselves but perhaps failed in living [TS]

  up to the series that came before so [TS]

  that as an episode was like oh I see [TS]

  it's not a bad way to end it but you [TS]

  know then I'll look back on all the [TS]

  stuff that they had set up and and and [TS]

  then you kind of get disappointed by it [TS]

  bindings are really really hard they're [TS]

  really hard because witnesses talking [TS]

  about the very last issue of planetary [TS]

  right but to me although it's the [TS]

  next-to-last issue that sort of the [TS]

  climax right here in the last issue is [TS]

  cool that the the next-to-last issue [TS]

  I you know the kind of wrap up the whole [TS]

  story arc in 33 pages right that's where [TS]

  there's a he snaps his fingers dropped [TS]

  the body and write that I don't know [TS]

  what the the last two members of the [TS]

  four were dispatched a little too easily [TS]

  considering how built up it was for so [TS]

  long I felt an unbeatable enemy right [TS]

  that but he has a plan exactly which is [TS]

  it is interesting thing about the [TS]

  character the entire time allows us know [TS]

  once he figures out who he is that he is [TS]

  the guy with the plan [TS]

  yeah I'm and things through the angles [TS]

  and and at the end is willing to take [TS]

  risks but it did seem those last three [TS]

  pages of the the second-to-last issue [TS]

  kind of was oh they need to wrap this up [TS]

  because they're ready to end the series [TS]

  right and kind of abrupt it was abrupt [TS]

  the that's why i was happy that they had [TS]

  the last issue because the last issue [TS]

  actually redeemed a lot of it because I [TS]

  got to see sort of the aftermath and if [TS]

  it had just ended with that you know [TS]

  that the final resolution it would have [TS]

  been actually a real downer because it's [TS]

  been like really that's it and now [TS]

  you're done that's the whole that's how [TS]

  you tell the story right because it [TS]

  doesn't generally resolve Elijah's arc [TS]

  right i mean you need to see his [TS]

  emotional resolutions hit in the last [TS]

  issue and to me that's the last issue i [TS]

  liked so much more than this [TS]

  second-to-last way which is a nice trick [TS]

  right they so they didn't quite stick [TS]

  the ending but it wasn't the ending they [TS]

  got to do a little bit more as like Lord [TS]

  of the Rings there are several and like [TS]

  your adventure with the endings you're [TS]

  not quite that bad right [TS]

  I don't know because it made sense there [TS]

  without it there was the plot ending in [TS]

  a second to last issue where they [TS]

  dispatch the bad guys and then the sort [TS]

  of more emotional character arc ending [TS]

  of the last issue right if you view the [TS]

  next-to-last issue from the character [TS]

  perspective that's about the other two [TS]

  members of planetary coming to accept [TS]

  that Elijah is gonna do what he's gonna [TS]

  do when they need to trust him [TS]

  yeah that's that's the the character [TS]

  thing that happens in that episode is [TS]

  like we're gonna I you know we're going [TS]

  to invest our trust in this guy and it [TS]

  pays off [TS]

  you know but plot-wise yeah it was it's [TS]

  always the danger that women biggest [TS]

  danger on on TV shows to you know with [TS]

  this happened are you a lot you create [TS]

  this huge villain you know dr. Buffy [TS]

  means having lots of TV shows huge big [TS]

  bad you build them up and then you got [TS]

  to resolve it and unless you will have [TS]

  an incredibly ambitious you know [TS]

  multi-part TV episode or issue or [TS]

  whatever you know teardown takedown of [TS]

  that big bad if you're doing it you know [TS]

  in in the rear regular format it's going [TS]

  to be yeah 56 pages of the takedown the [TS]

  and you're always almost always left [TS]

  with wondering how big and bad were they [TS]

  if that's what this is it what you want [TS]

  and you get this like on the what's [TS]

  widely considered one of the best [TS]

  episodes of Doctor Who that Castro lava [TS]

  which dispatch the fifth doctor [TS]

  oh no caves of Androzani case of a yes [TS]

  thank you yeah managers on everybody [TS]

  dies right well I think that's something [TS]

  like if you that it's not about taking [TS]

  down the bad guy or how fast or how hard [TS]

  it's what were the consequences if you [TS]

  brought up the bad guy there has to be [TS]

  consequences there has to be sacrifices [TS]

  and actually really thats they're doing [TS]

  this in fables though where they have [TS]

  the war and they dispatched the the big [TS]

  bad Emperor the the enemy and Bill [TS]

  Willingham has been basically playing [TS]

  out what happens afterward where people [TS]

  are like okay the photo was conquered [TS]

  oak rap what we do now [TS]

  recommendation building is really hard [TS]

  yeah and and if you had a sense of [TS]

  purpose where my sense of purpose is to [TS]

  vanquish this evil force and all of a [TS]

  sudden the force is gone and there's [TS]

  still these things that are broken in [TS]

  your life you have nothing to blame that [TS]

  those problems on anymore so what do you [TS]

  do and you know i'm i'm i'm delighted by [TS]

  what they're doing with fables right now [TS]

  and in that sense where against the [TS]

  nation building there's always different [TS]

  factions that are not either coalescing [TS]

  are splitting apart as people try to [TS]

  regain their moral footing and try to [TS]

  reconfigure their futures and I wish [TS]

  more comic books would do that or or [TS]

  more or more series in general because [TS]

  as you said so many times it's we have [TS]

  this this force that we have two more [TS]

  this person we have to vanquish that we [TS]

  have triumphed and smash cut fade to [TS]

  black as opposed to tonight we have [TS]

  triumphed and then along comes an [TS]

  insurance adjuster who's like okay and [TS]

  who's gonna clean all this up [TS]

  well actually one of the things I liked [TS]

  about Babylon 5 which I watched [TS]

  religiously was they had a couple of [TS]

  story resolutions in the middle [TS]

  basically the end of the third year they [TS]

  resolve this entire story arc with the [TS]

  earth government being you know turning [TS]

  into a kind of a dictatorship and what [TS]

  was interesting about that is that they [TS]

  that allowed them to play out what the [TS]

  aftermath of that was and then I think [TS]

  more or less by accident they ended up [TS]

  rushing their story resolution and their [TS]

  fourth year because they were afraid [TS]

  they were gonna be cancelled and they [TS]

  got a fifth-year was a great season but [TS]

  it was still kind of fascinating in the [TS]

  sense that it was about what happens [TS]

  when the battles that you spent the last [TS]

  years fighting are over and it's what [TS]

  you're left with is a mess and you're [TS]

  the ones who have inherited it how do [TS]

  you put it back together and they didn't [TS]

  you know the execution of that wasn't so [TS]

  great but the execution of the aftermath [TS]

  of the the Civil War episodes they did [TS]

  actually pretty pretty cool and I like [TS]

  that approach of saying you know when [TS]

  the when when the big bad is defeated [TS]

  it's not the end it's the beginning and [TS]

  the some of the best drama isn't how you [TS]

  cope with the aftermath and so this and [TS]

  like he always did that to where they [TS]

  would usually have the big bad defeated [TS]

  in the penultimate episode of the season [TS]

  and in the last episode was you know [TS]

  rather than doing a season-ending [TS]

  cliffhanger they did that sometimes but [TS]

  they also did it where the last episode [TS]

  was the fallout it was it was a [TS]

  the characters like planetary and not [TS]

  really about the the story arc which I [TS]

  already was going to point out in [TS]

  planetary they don't just barely do that [TS]

  as well then because they the last issue [TS]

  doesn't deal with the aftermath of what [TS]

  is community do now they're not being [TS]

  repressed anymore [TS]

  it deals more with the individual [TS]

  characters and right [TS]

  however they change right but like I [TS]

  said I'm sorry for land i sort of feel [TS]

  like those themes were so we're so done [TS]

  in the authority that it's almost like [TS]

  they were saying well you know we're not [TS]

  gonna talk about that here that would be [TS]

  at that's a whole other that's a whole [TS]

  other series also don't think we don't [TS]

  have a really strong narrative tradition [TS]

  in in serial drama of any type that deal [TS]

  look deals with the aftermath I mean [TS]

  most of the strength of narrow of serial [TS]

  drama tends to be here is a situation [TS]

  here is an antagonist here is how we [TS]

  build our case and here's how we will [TS]

  ultimately prevail and the series ends [TS]

  but you never have one that starts off [TS]

  with well we've got a mess we we no [TS]

  longer have a common enemy so how are we [TS]

  supposed to bond with each other [TS]

  there was a peter david has a comic [TS]

  writer Ellie Alex other things [TS]

  xfactor i love his ex factor yeah he [TS]

  will he wrote a series of Star Trek [TS]

  novels called the new frontier and was [TS]

  like a whole different crew and stuff [TS]

  and with the interesting thing was the [TS]

  main character the captain was from this [TS]

  planet or something and he his people [TS]

  were slaves or something and he'd led a [TS]

  rebellion on the planet when he was like [TS]

  20 21 and became the whole leader of [TS]

  this rebellion that overthrew this [TS]

  entire empire that had been there [TS]

  forever and you follow that up and then [TS]

  the the joint Starfleet poorly he he [TS]

  tried anything because essentially like [TS]

  his life had peaked at ya 21 and now he [TS]

  was in his forties and you know he [TS]

  wasn't part of the government he wasn't [TS]

  that wasn't his thing and I those [TS]

  aspects of the character were so [TS]

  interesting to me because it was sort of [TS]

  what do you do after yeah you've you've [TS]

  done this [TS]

  yeah how do you top it where you go on [TS]

  with your life and and the thing that [TS]

  you succeeded at is done and they don't [TS]

  need that anymore [TS]

  yeah i think it's now president [TS]

  president mean George Washington [TS]

  thumbs-up good job is generally the guy [TS]

  who leads the revolution is probably not [TS]

  who you want as your leader after a [TS]

  razor revolution right [TS]

  what he's good at it yeah they're good [TS]

  at the the you know organizing the [TS]

  factions and and for overthrowing the [TS]

  bad guys not necessarily governing I'd [TS]

  love to see a series about someone who's [TS]

  trying to figure out what the heck [TS]

  they're doing now that the revolutions [TS]

  over or now that they vanquished um I'd [TS]

  read The Hunger Games that the Y a [TS]

  trilogy while i was on maternity leave [TS]

  and then I went and read other people's [TS]

  reactions to that book and a lot of [TS]

  people really hated the ending of the [TS]

  third book which makes total sense from [TS]

  a purely logical and practical [TS]

  perspective I feel like we should do the [TS]

  spoiler horn for this too I can hear the [TS]

  spoiler horn now [TS]

  she lives but she basically has put out [TS]

  to pasture by the government because [TS]

  she's no longer politically useful and [TS]

  she goes back to her village needs a [TS]

  very quiet life and people are [TS]

  complaining all my god and i thought no [TS]

  this makes perfect sense you have a [TS]

  highly unstable 17 year old killer [TS]

  you're not gonna make her the minister [TS]

  of culture [TS]

  I mean you're basically going to make [TS]

  sure that she can't embarrass you and [TS]

  and be sure to wish you don't [TS]

  necessarily want to be in that position [TS]

  anywhere she really messed up and we can [TS]

  just go home but it's it's winston [TS]

  churchill like this happens in the real [TS]

  world in a minute world war two was over [TS]

  they got rid of him [TS]

  oh yeah they came back later but it was [TS]

  pretty disasters i said you know I [TS]

  vaguely remember i read a book of [TS]

  British history also maternity leave but [TS]

  that's just a big Pink's there to arrive [TS]

  blur everything which people in it [TS]

  that's how we know something about a [TS]

  blitz no apparently yeah but maybe that [TS]

  is a strength of this series is that [TS]

  they really don't show you that the [TS]

  cleanup effort is at words it's it's [TS]

  just it's one man's emotional journey [TS]

  from point A to point B he creates the [TS]

  surrogate family and oh by the way they [TS]

  happen to overflow the sinister cabal [TS]

  that's been 40 humanity's progress 119 [TS]

  immortal super-powered man's emotional [TS]

  hey I guess what's gonna happen to him [TS]

  now it is the 21st century so is he just [TS]

  going to keep on going [TS]

  evidently he see dual century to century [TS]

  guy while he's he's supposed to be the [TS]

  ghost of the 20th century which I always [TS]

  felt was like a nice cheat where they [TS]

  could say he lives on me because he's [TS]

  the ghost of the 2000s watching guy [TS]

  yeah because back in my day that's right [TS]

  ballparks dies and she the jet engine [TS]

  stops dead and turn of the century yet [TS]

  another shitty quantum and they had a [TS]

  plotline think authority where they went [TS]

  back and they got to meet Jimmy fire and [TS]

  Jenny steam engine ecole power and data [TS]

  not Jenny coal power which any fire was [TS]

  a cro-magnon which I thought was just [TS]

  delightful [TS]

  Jenny Jenny paddlewheel they believe [TS]

  that they may have actually had [TS]

  something like that the idea was that [TS]

  all of that the cognitive and [TS]

  technological leaps that shape [TS]

  civilization there was there was a [TS]

  general like figured that helped put all [TS]

  the pieces together the concept behind [TS]

  that the planet is a sort of living [TS]

  organisms that creates the creatures on [TS]

  it in a way and that the planetary [TS]

  defense system is these century babies [TS]

  yeah it creates its own immune system [TS]

  effectively [TS]

  and that was only that's actually [TS]

  another thing about planetary and [TS]

  authority the rest of the hell these [TS]

  beautiful throwing ideas out there they [TS]

  just kind of casually mentioned where [TS]

  you could spin entire series right more [TS]

  analysis like an idea factory in these [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  yeah so any other last words about [TS]

  planetary before we move on I will never [TS]

  ever get the image of those children's [TS]

  heads blowing up out of my mind [TS]

  oh that's such a crazy again cinematic [TS]

  to right where the row of children [TS]

  working at the computers and they all [TS]

  got these kind of the controllers around [TS]

  their necks and they press day they have [TS]

  a fight and try to keep the guy from [TS]

  pressing the red button and press the [TS]

  red button and they but basically blow [TS]

  up all the kids heads except the one kid [TS]

  who is close enough that they can pull [TS]

  it off yeah where his head but yea [TS]

  horrifying and i will never forget it i [TS]

  think it's interesting that we've been [TS]

  talking about the whole series we didn't [TS]

  talk about the fact that the three main [TS]

  characters have powers are we briefly [TS]

  mentioned but it's almost like a side [TS]

  thing the fact that Elijah snow can [TS]

  makes free stuff [TS]

  yeah I would never think of him as like [TS]

  an analog to the Iceman or something [TS]

  like that is just add whatever that's [TS]

  not his [TS]

  what's the functional house is that he's [TS]

  got power and that he's old and knows [TS]

  stuff right right name it was yeah like [TS]

  you said the function personally the [TS]

  same way where chiquita Wagner may have [TS]

  superhuman strength and and on your [TS]

  invulnerability to pain but a real power [TS]

  is the fact that she's just relentlessly [TS]

  fearless and and for the drummer who I [TS]

  just stuff is really opaque yeah he was [TS]

  a hard character to get a grasp on for [TS]

  me [TS]

  well he in some ways he's the exposition [TS]

  character yeah he he knows stuff when [TS]

  they needed to know stuff and you can [TS]

  explain stuff when he needs he was comic [TS]

  relief because there's that all you kids [TS]

  today [TS]

  yeah fast but like I said I felt like he [TS]

  was the hardest one to get a grasp on [TS]

  but still the same time it wasn't the [TS]

  fact that the man is basically living [TS]

  breathing computer it's it's that you [TS]

  know he can actually translate what he [TS]

  knows to to language that people can [TS]

  understand i like when they treat the [TS]

  powers its just oh he's left-handed he [TS]

  can shoot fire from the fingertips right [TS]

  now it's gonna be gifted graphic artist [TS]

  and he has laser vision as often happens [TS]

  in so I'm what else are you guys reading [TS]

  these days haha [TS]

  well it turns out there's not a lot of [TS]

  good things out there really so it's not [TS]

  just me then [TS]

  no I did just finish literally this [TS]

  morning the y the last man [TS]

  oh you finally finish that I finally we [TS]

  should do a whole which is doing all the [TS]

  Oddcast about what about what about that [TS]

  last issue and i was so disappointing [TS]

  for me it that stuck with me for days [TS]

  but probably not for the intended reason [TS]

  alright so we'll say that yeah I think [TS]

  maybe that could be our next topic in [TS]

  fact yeah I would love to go back and [TS]

  read those again because I those a [TS]

  couple years ago [TS]

  why is not a recent series didn't know [TS]

  it's not know but that's ok i actually [TS]

  think they're there they're ongoing and [TS]

  their their stories that are kind of [TS]

  playing out and there are things that [TS]

  are out there and some ways i would [TS]

  think for the great incomparable [TS]

  listenership as well that you go out and [TS]

  get and read write instead of trying to [TS]

  find back issues and future things and [TS]

  wait around for six months or 10 years [TS]

  for it to finish you can just go out and [TS]

  buy the book and read it [TS]

  there's something to be said for that [TS]

  and y the last man is what 50 issues yes [TS]

  and and has a resolution whether it's [TS]

  satisfying or not it has an ending and [TS]

  that's the end of the story i really [TS]

  loved that book but yeah the ending and [TS]

  eggs are hard right things are really [TS]

  having a hard [TS]

  yeah and it's did you did you did you [TS]

  read ex machina forex market everything [TS]

  I I haven't finished it I haven't [TS]

  finished it either [TS]

  ok cuz they should do that too yes I'd [TS]

  really interesting never shies away from [TS]

  the ending and I've heard that the [TS]

  ending had really mixed reactions and so [TS]

  I'm dying to take when it comes out and [TS]

  train i'm gonna grab it right and that's [TS]

  another bryan cave on buck right [TS]

  y the last man right the super mayor yep [TS]

  yeah the Delta hint at the ending in the [TS]

  beginning they do like basically that's [TS]

  it supposed to be forced foreshadowed is [TS]

  a tragedy and right I've been driving [TS]

  myself kind of crazy because I'm right [TS]

  now at the part with the the crazy Pope [TS]

  conspiracy around not there yet only [TS]

  read the first not really giving away a [TS]

  whole lot of crazy Pope conspiracy [TS]

  what else is new another crazy Pope [TS]

  conspiracy and of ongoing series is I [TS]

  picked up the new moon night number one [TS]

  sonu night series which made a great [TS]

  character from the 7d lovely little sick [TS]

  of it [TS]

  yeah I'm like at night and an [TS]

  interesting in a superhero archetype [TS]

  that he's kind [TS]

  the Batman character but also has [TS]

  multiple personalities just like Batman [TS]

  except even crazier than he had the [TS]

  mercenary guy the mark Specter the Jake [TS]

  Lockley who drove a cab and the rich guy [TS]

  Langley or something was his name [TS]

  so he's had a lot of a series and [TS]

  cancellations in series at one point he [TS]

  was in moon knight armor and you know [TS]

  crazy stuff so Brian Michael Bendis has [TS]

  a new series out with that artist he did [TS]

  careful with his name is escaping me [TS]

  right now but the whole idea is they've [TS]

  taken multiple personality and they've [TS]

  gone further with it so now he's got a [TS]

  spider man living in his head and a [TS]

  Wolverine living in his head and a [TS]

  captain america living in his head [TS]

  huh and he can mimic all of their [TS]

  abilities who as well as other [TS]

  personalities and then they've hinted [TS]

  there may be more and so that aspect is [TS]

  really interesting social economy [TS]

  picking up in the artwork is beautiful [TS]

  but the first issue I what's the word [TS]

  not good bad only because it's it's sort [TS]

  of like the opening paragraph of a book [TS]

  like it's not a complete story it's not [TS]

  like planetary did so well at having [TS]

  complete satisfying story / issue you [TS]

  have been just basically write some [TS]

  groups of four issues right so i don't [TS]

  recommend picking it up because yeah [TS]

  although there was some neat hints and [TS]

  stuff but overall nothing happened right [TS]

  no real sense of what the point is just [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  this is why it off by single issues [TS]

  anymore right I know i-i-i try that too [TS]

  I i made a mistake I i started flying [TS]

  single issues on my iPad that's where [TS]

  I'm that's where i'm buying single [TS]

  issues now and i'm reading because there [TS]

  are some day and date comics on the ipad [TS]

  now i'm reading invincible day and date [TS]

  on the ipad and thank you Lisa for for [TS]

  turning me on to that and i'm reading [TS]

  ultimate spider-man Marvel's one of [TS]

  marbles marbles i'lli'll have ultimate [TS]

  Spidey day and date is they decided more [TS]

  they're gonna try it and trying it with [TS]

  a couple of the ultimate titles and [TS]

  ultimate spider-man is one of them so [TS]

  i'm reading those as they come out now [TS]

  and they're there now in this weird [TS]

  death of ultimate death of Spiderman arc [TS]

  which is like they did they how many [TS]

  times they already said they were going [TS]

  to kill him and didn't kill him and this [TS]

  is next they're going to also say they [TS]

  are [TS]

  to kill them and they're not really [TS]

  gonna kill them and when they really [TS]

  gonna kill him [TS]

  I've got of course not you know how [TS]

  could they do that they'll find maybe [TS]

  this time it's real [TS]

  they'll fit about it but actually that [TS]

  this arc has been funny and tying it in [TS]

  with this avengers vs. Ultimates thing [TS]

  thats that's terrible i bought a couple [TS]

  of those issues and those are those are [TS]

  just embarrassingly nonsensical but that [TS]

  part of the arc that I liked recently an [TS]

  ultimate spider-man which i love [TS]

  I mean there and very similar to [TS]

  invincible in some ways is that after [TS]

  all this time of shield being aware of [TS]

  Who Peter Parker is that he spider-man [TS]

  and that he's this kid and they've [TS]

  always had the attitude like this kid is [TS]

  spider-man you know he's too young he's [TS]

  too powerful [TS]

  he's kind of you know not trustworthy [TS]

  loose cannon at some point carol danvers [TS]

  i think is in charge of shield now says [TS]

  says basically we don't trust you [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  you are gonna were either gonna shut you [TS]

  down lock you up or you're gonna take [TS]

  superhero lessons from The Ultimates and [TS]

  so and and they have a vote about like [TS]

  what to do in Captain America's like no [TS]

  no just just just lock him up and and [TS]

  and some of the other like Iron Man [TS]

  really likes him in and tony stark kind [TS]

  of relates to him so that silly them so [TS]

  they said well yeah and so there's no [TS]

  it's it's pretty funny and they send [TS]

  Tony Stark and Iron Man 2 repeaters [TS]

  house and he just iron man appears of [TS]

  peter's house and people like in order [TS]

  here I have a secret identity getting [TS]

  out i'll meet you somewhere go away and [TS]

  Captain America was very reluctant he [TS]

  shows up at one point and and and you [TS]

  know give him a hard time and says how [TS]

  he shouldn't be doing this and you [TS]

  really need to be more responsible and [TS]

  all these things that's a great arc [TS]

  that's actually really enjoyable because [TS]

  it's playing off of this fundamental [TS]

  idea that series that i love which is [TS]

  heated he's a kid he does have these [TS]

  powers [TS]

  he's trying to navigate his complicated [TS]

  kind of kids social life as well as the [TS]

  bigger adult world of the superheroes [TS]

  that stuff is great now this and then [TS]

  yet every issue is got death of [TS]

  Spiderman slapped on it and I just roll [TS]

  my eyes and think you know you're [TS]

  telling good stories do you need to to [TS]

  lay these kind of crazy story arc stunts [TS]

  on top [TS]

  and the storytelling are actually pretty [TS]

  good but they're going to mess it up and [TS]

  it's gonna take me a year to get back to [TS]

  status quo [TS]

  presumably they will mean like the big [TS]

  flood like the big flood was totally [TS]

  changed everything about the ultimate [TS]

  universe except didn't do anything ever [TS]

  had some troubles you got it put jonah [TS]

  Jameson in charge of a website instead [TS]

  of a newspaper [TS]

  they've just got you a job offers yeah [TS]

  since we lost our print analog a while [TS]

  back [TS]

  that's that's right you and you and [TS]

  jenna jameson by the way follow I a [TS]

  healing my favorite twitter twitter [TS]

  twitter twitter yesterday morning always [TS]

  follow jenna jameson on twitter you nod [TS]

  to all of his tweets are in all capital [TS]

  letters and he basically yells at this [TS]

  brand this brand and and they they [TS]

  changed without his avatar to me but I [TS]

  don't like his new avatar like the old [TS]

  leather I love it because that's the [TS]

  Egyptian from the nineteen sixties and [TS]

  spiderman cartoon and when they did that [TS]

  they also did some tweets where he [TS]

  complained about teenagers which is [TS]

  actually all that jonah Jameson does in [TS]

  the original Spiderman animated show is [TS]

  is complaining about you know this brand [TS]

  I'm tired of these teenagers like Parker [TS]

  getting in my way [TS]

  sample sample point is i have just found [TS]

  out what-what a lady gaga is kill it [TS]

  kill it with fire haha there was one [TS]

  after Osama bin Laden was was was killed [TS]

  he tweeted the attention President Obama [TS]

  i can think of another menace that now [TS]

  also needs your attention [TS]

  he's in New York i can tell you where he [TS]

  is nice [TS]

  the only follow of comic characters on [TS]

  Twitter I only follow drunk hulk drunk [TS]

  hulk is good [TS]

  jenna jameson matter all right Jenna [TS]

  James delightful i'm going there now [TS]

  anything Lisa that you're that you're [TS]

  reading my of newer old when i read the [TS]

  second volume of unwritten or the second [TS]

  train i should say haha [TS]

  and that actually continues a lot of the [TS]

  themes where it's the idea that when you [TS]

  remake stories you can remake history [TS]

  because they end up in a bunch of Third [TS]

  Reich propaganda and yeah i'm gonna read [TS]

  that soon because as a hugo voter i will [TS]

  get the hugo packet with all the hugo [TS]

  nominees and becoming you get it and it [TS]

  got nominated for four Hugo word for [TS]

  actually to be a hugo voter all you have [TS]

  to do is become a supporting member of [TS]

  the world con science fiction convention [TS]

  which is in reno this year so i'm [TS]

  actually going but you can also add the [TS]

  last couple years I've been up [TS]

  older you pay sort of half price of the [TS]

  convention fee 22 so you don't have to [TS]

  attend if you don't want to but you can [TS]

  vote so easily by your bed yeah at you [TS]

  you buy you buy a vote and and you get [TS]

  you by voting you get uh the packet and [TS]

  the packet usually contains all of the [TS]

  novel's better nominated all the short [TS]

  stories and all the all the graphics not [TS]

  always all but most of them so i got [TS]

  fables as a PDF last year and I got ya [TS]

  the Batman art by a by Neil Gaiman last [TS]

  year as it turns out i am also reading [TS]

  fables i highly recommend becoming a [TS]

  supporting member and getting the human [TS]

  me so I'll read the unwritten black to i [TS]

  get to vote for the eyes nurs but we [TS]

  don't get free comics shameful ice it's [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  yeah it is absolutely wrong if you're [TS]

  gonna vote on something you need to hold [TS]

  the digital the digital revolution has [TS]

  changed things where you know i'm sure [TS]

  they didn't give out free books before [TS]

  but now that now they can just simply [TS]

  afternoon about ya of a nominated book [TS]

  or a PDF of the nominated comic and so [TS]

  it works pretty well and no unwritten [TS]

  fables and i have a bunch of gail simone [TS]

  books on my Amazon wish list i'll [TS]

  probably go through and clean out soon [TS]

  because I follow her slavishly alright [TS]

  so next up let's talk y the last man try [TS]

  to do that so read that if you haven't [TS]

  and until then and we're going to try to [TS]

  do this every month now we're gonna [TS]

  we're going to set something up so we'll [TS]

  be back sooner than this last gap was or [TS]

  the one before that I thought that gap [TS]

  is appropriate for planetary it was very [TS]

  mad [TS]

  that's it was all intentional folks yeah [TS]

  all intentional in the next one it's [TS]

  just gonna be the women [TS]

  ok i'll be talking to myself the whole [TS]

  hour until then this has been the comic [TS]

  book club for the uncomfortable not the [TS]

  planetarium [TS]

  comfortable I'm Jason snail and thank [TS]

  you to jason reitman thank you very much [TS]

  and too leishman is always a pleasure [TS]

  until the next edition of the [TS]

  uncomfortable and the next [TS]

  soon-to-be-released edition of the comic [TS]

  book club we promise [TS]

  thanks for [TS]

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