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0:00:04the incomparable contest number already

0:00:07made 2011

0:00:11we are back on the incomparable podcast

0:00:14and it is once again time I know that

0:00:16you're gonna find this hard to believe

0:00:17but it is once again time for the comic

0:00:20book club the comic book club is back

0:00:21its back in session

0:00:24alright art so joining me are my

0:00:27faithful members of the comic book club

0:00:29will we're gonna maybe we'll find a way

0:00:31to add somebody else at some point I

0:00:32don't know but we've got a solid three

0:00:34we went not need anymore

0:00:36Joyce joining me as always jason reitman

0:00:39hello hey and Lisa Schmeisser i'm

0:00:42already plenty initiation rites for the

0:00:43new remember oh yeah yeah we're going to

0:00:45have to make him read everything we've

0:00:47already read something horribly thats

0:00:48good know how to read the entire run of

0:00:49micronauts to satisfy me how bad I just

0:00:51for punishment

0:00:52wow that was probably the club the

0:00:53fastest mentioned in the microphones in

0:00:55any of if you have one minute and the

0:00:57over-under you if you if you chose one

0:00:59minute you win the lottery and the

0:01:01drinking game

0:01:02yes that's right i had to I had to get

0:01:03in there what better recognize me

0:01:05because micronauts really has nothing to

0:01:07do with planetary um so planetary was

0:01:10the choice that we made like a million

0:01:12years ago to talk about and we're

0:01:13actually going to talk about it

0:01:14especially not it's still feel like we

0:01:16should wait another 10 years just met

0:01:18yeah you can see how long they took

0:01:20planetary to come out with the 26 issues

0:01:21yeah i was shocked to discover that it

0:01:23took them

0:01:24it took them tell you we had 10 years to

0:01:26go 27 issues 26 issues something like

0:01:29that yeah shocking because i read it all

0:01:31i think i read the last date issues

0:01:33today and it's sort of unfair you do get

0:01:36the sense that I I did realize at some

0:01:38point when i started reading it it was

0:01:40clearly set right before the turn of the

0:01:42millennium and then as i'm reading the

0:01:45later issues they're talking about how

0:01:46it's already past and I'm like did I

0:01:48miss that or did this just takes so long

0:01:50to come out which which brings up some

0:01:52interesting continuity issues with the

0:01:54Millennium babies that were characters

0:01:56in a lot of war analysis stuff that kind

0:01:59of glossed over because I actually meant

0:02:00to the Millennium babies because that

0:02:02was a huge component of the Holy that

0:02:04was a huge component of a whole universe

0:02:06when they first started you had Jennie

0:02:07sparks with the authority and Elijah

0:02:09snow and the two of them obviously know

0:02:11each other right and there was a

0:02:12potential and they had the one crossover

0:02:14comic with the two of them but they took

0:02:18that really great idea of of a planetary

0:02:20defense system and just dropped it so so

0:02:22let's back up a second because as

0:02:24somebody who you

0:02:25guys really know this stuff and I have

0:02:28I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to

0:02:31this as with many things I I never I

0:02:33never I think I've heard of this but i

0:02:35knew nothing about it so it's it's a

0:02:40wild storm in print book right which is

0:02:43DC basically but it's a specific like

0:02:45what do you see misty significant yeah

0:02:49while slamming mr. me and wild storm was

0:02:52Jim Lee's studio that was part of Image

0:02:54Comics huh and everything started that

0:02:57way at some point many years ago DC

0:02:59bought wildstorm so they left just moved

0:03:02over to DC they were their own universe

0:03:04a year or two ago then DC folded the

0:03:07universe into the DC Universe and just

0:03:10last year they I or maybe was earlier

0:03:12this year they've cancelled all of the

0:03:14wild storm titles

0:03:16ah alright so so started image move to

0:03:19DC its own universe

0:03:21I've read something in this universe

0:03:23before because i read the authority

0:03:26yes which is any sparks and then this

0:03:28has a large snow which is an another one

0:03:30of these Millennium Bridge century

0:03:33babies are essentially baby yeah we

0:03:34could there be rolled on New Year's Day

0:03:361982 almost to live a hundred years and

0:03:41I yeah right so yeah which is

0:03:43complicated because you know is the

0:03:45planetary ends up being after the end of

0:03:48the century but Elijah's still ok i

0:03:51thought well he didn't he obviously

0:03:53skated on that one so so 26-27 something

0:03:59like that issues over the course of 10

0:04:00years we state by warren ellis and John

0:04:05Cassady who I actually first saw his art

0:04:07with Joss Whedon be starting actually

0:04:10yes and that's one of the reasons

0:04:11planetary took so long as he left to go

0:04:13do that Mary started before that and

0:04:16finished it

0:04:16afghan planetary started and then there

0:04:18were 24 issues of astonishing x-men and

0:04:20then they finished the 25 issues of

0:04:22planetary wow so i have to say have

0:04:26being the one who just read this this is

0:04:29this thing you had me read this is one

0:04:31of the craziest things I have ever ever

0:04:34read crazy as comics certainly really it

0:04:36is it is crazy in a good

0:04:38way but it is because it's this I mean

0:04:42how many layers are going on here

0:04:44let's let's let's break it down because

0:04:46otherwise I my head will explode a whole

0:04:49underlying thing here is that we're

0:04:53looking at analogues of other not even

0:04:56superheroes other heroic kind of

0:04:59archetypal let's not even archetypes

0:05:02they're like ver altered versions of

0:05:05heroic famous characters but they're

0:05:07archetypes I mean is there's the

0:05:09superman and wonder woman right we ready

0:05:11right and the reason to send the spoiler

0:05:13horns or something similarly the floor

0:05:15spoiler horn

0:05:19because there's that one mission where

0:05:20they kill Superman and Green Lantern

0:05:22Wonder Woman same issue

0:05:24yeah all right and it's a great she

0:05:26wanted when I realized they're not like

0:05:27they're not actually Superman right by

0:05:30your side just be a benefit from outer

0:05:31space who comes down to earth and make a

0:05:33woman from island to come yes save

0:05:35mankind bracelets so some of them are

0:05:37are are analogues their parallels to

0:05:40existing ones and then you've got some

0:05:41characters a character who is kind of

0:05:42like the shadow but he's also kinda like

0:05:44the green hornet right and there's a

0:05:46ghost writer and all alone the lone

0:05:48ranger is the one that blew in and then

0:05:50there's a where where I'm sitting there

0:05:52was reading the story thinking wow this

0:05:53is pretty wacky he's out in the desert

0:05:55and his body's been dumped but he's not

0:05:56quite dead and the Indian pumps him full

0:05:58of hallucinogens and all of a sudden

0:06:01he's like the biggest rally make silver

0:06:03bullets and put sash around his eyes and

0:06:05he's the ghost Ranger Wow

0:06:09and then what was the other one of the

0:06:11other crazy one main antagonist of the

0:06:12Fantastic Four well thats oh so we

0:06:14always comes back to the Fantastic Four

0:06:15with us so i find it funny that that I

0:06:18assume would be another one of these

0:06:19analogs in me and go there with the are

0:06:22our friends at home listening to this

0:06:24the the way planetary setup is each

0:06:27issue is a self-contained story

0:06:28essentially and that up to still be

0:06:31until the end and all these characters

0:06:33that were talking about these analogs

0:06:35they introduced it's like one issue

0:06:37typically sometimes more but it's sort

0:06:40of there's a complete story line there

0:06:41where the the planetary is a planetary

0:06:44organization planetary agency planetary

0:06:46group with governing body whenever they

0:06:48yeah they are

0:06:49explore archaeologists of the unknown

0:06:51they're weird about discovering the

0:06:53secret history of the planet

0:06:55their job is to curate mysteries

0:06:57basically yeah and so each time they

0:06:58they find this mystery like in the the

0:07:00Hulk story it was this town in New

0:07:02Mexico that was used for bomb

0:07:04experiments and then they find this very

0:07:06deep pit that this person who became the

0:07:09incredible hulk analog the government

0:07:12dug a really big hole and put it in and

0:07:14then it was about how it took him 60

0:07:15years to starve to death and you know

0:07:17essentially most of these analogs end up

0:07:20dying tragically as if they if Godzilla

0:07:23and logged eyes tear it another terrible

0:07:25way

0:07:25yeah it's sort of if these people really

0:07:27existed what would d write the governing

0:07:30bodies do to them and literary world

0:07:32helbred kill them right away I and then

0:07:35it turns out that the people organizing

0:07:36this or that fantastic for analog which

0:07:39have been sort of retarding the growth

0:07:43of humanity for the last 60 years or so

0:07:46in like taking all these extraordinary

0:07:48things that could be gifts to mankind

0:07:50and either burying them killing them

0:07:53hiding them

0:07:54yeah i think it's interesting because

0:07:56they introduced the Fantastic Four

0:07:58analog and I kind of expect again that

0:08:00will be a one-shot deal and I and I say

0:08:02oh I see what they're doing and there's

0:08:04a4 and there's the scientist and his

0:08:05girlfriend and a rough-and-tumble test

0:08:07pilot and the kid brother and they go

0:08:08and then they they come back and and

0:08:10they've got you know some recognizable

0:08:12powers that's like clearly the Fantastic

0:08:14Four and look and they're they're

0:08:16horrible and they're not just horrible

0:08:18they become again we've already fired

0:08:21the spoiler horn here they are the

0:08:23villain of the of the story arc of this

0:08:2525 issue limited series there the super

0:08:29super bad guys and which I thought was

0:08:32kind of brilliant because the whole rest

0:08:34of the run i'm sitting there kind of

0:08:35laughing as i read thinking oh the

0:08:37Fantastic Four very very bad people

0:08:39because there's also the identity

0:08:41mystery that starts off for Elijah snow

0:08:42is just trying to figure out why he's

0:08:43lost so much of his memory and who is he

0:08:46what is what is he doing what is this

0:08:48connection and said it was the fourth

0:08:50man

0:08:51yes the planetary is made up of three

0:08:53right three individuals and then the

0:08:56fourth man is the mysterious benefactor

0:08:57who runs the planetary organization and

0:09:00then you find out a lot of snow is the

0:09:02fourth man and it was actually just like

0:09:04this on memory yeah and the question is

0:09:06who's the real fourth man and that's

0:09:07when they have the the very last issue

0:09:09which is sort of here and now the gang

0:09:10is back together right and i have to

0:09:13admit i love this series III love this

0:09:15series as a whole but the last issue is

0:09:16kind of problematic for me because it

0:09:18feels a little bit too like the rear is

0:09:22well it's like it's like a reunion just

0:09:23like a seasoned it's like a cedar sonali

0:09:25we're all shocked is getting married and

0:09:27we brought back this guy from his

0:09:29international totally how it felt to me

0:09:31is it's the coda where we get to see

0:09:33everybody and everybody gets a kind of

0:09:34an ending and

0:09:35and an ACN being a huge fan of time

0:09:38travel all that meta discussion about

0:09:39that was so the world could collapse in

0:09:42time machine was built in and going into

0:09:44kind of the pseudoscience of that is

0:09:46awesome so create a speaking of crazy

0:09:48one of the things that I thought was

0:09:50really crazy as this idea that that is

0:09:53based on some if not scientific facts

0:09:56and some valid scientific theory which

0:09:59is that they're you know it's a

0:10:01snowflake in a several thousand

0:10:03dimensional universe and that we're

0:10:04actually not in a three-dimensional

0:10:06universe but our holographic projection

0:10:08on a two-dimensional universe i just

0:10:10read a book which I mentioned on the

0:10:11previous podcast by brian greene that's

0:10:14about parallel universes that talks in

0:10:16detail about this idea the holographic

0:10:18theory that that three dimensions are

0:10:20actually just an effect of a

0:10:23two-dimensional surface and that's in

0:10:25planetary throughout they keep talking

0:10:26about the two-dimensional information

0:10:28set and there are a bunch of a stack of

0:10:30universes and it's pretty you can read

0:10:33it as just being sort of like ridiculous

0:10:35comic mumbo-jumbo except is actually

0:10:37isn't and it's kind of fascinating on

0:10:39the idea that the drummer kinda can tap

0:10:41into the information source and that

0:10:43they're all sort of the reason there are

0:10:45the the century babies is because

0:10:48they're kind of generated out of the

0:10:50information playing in order to protect

0:10:51things and be error correction and it's

0:10:54it's it's crazy but it's not just like

0:10:57ridiculous flight of fancy it there's

0:11:00something to it it was that's the two

0:11:02points with that the first is it a lot

0:11:05of great writers are able to do that

0:11:06sort of thing like the warren ellis alan

0:11:09moore back to the original comic writers

0:11:11in the sixties he doesn't like

0:11:13Frankenstein Mary Shelley trans person

0:11:16because the Invisibles has a lot of that

0:11:17to where there's the extra dimensional

0:11:19black brother extra their extra

0:11:23dimensional worlds that are basically

0:11:24pure information and a lot of what goes

0:11:25on to the Invisibles comes down to who's

0:11:28trying to control the information and

0:11:29alter reality as we understand it and

0:11:31the last issue of that series pretty

0:11:33much ends with them having effectively

0:11:35hacked reality change the whole world

0:11:37perceptions and then the last the last

0:11:40page is one of the characters holding

0:11:41his hand and saying oh where we go what

0:11:43we do and so when I was reading through

0:11:46planetary over 10 years i would add

0:11:49uh-huh I thought they were actually kind

0:11:52of a lot of parallels to the Invisibles

0:11:53in the sense that there are structures

0:11:55within structures things that you can

0:11:56perceive things outside your perception

0:11:58and what happens this was something

0:11:59outside your perception ships into your

0:12:00perception it's dealing with the reality

0:12:02Fallout and the i was reading some meta

0:12:05stuff into it as well we're talking

0:12:07about the the two dimensional planes 3d

0:12:10people standing on them i was thinking

0:12:12the two dimensional planes were the page

0:12:14that i was looking at them on and that

0:12:16information stack is the stack of papers

0:12:18making up this comic book i'm reading

0:12:19now and that they were sort of at some

0:12:21level talking about where characters in

0:12:24this book the same way grant narrow

0:12:26Morrison always talks about characters

0:12:27in a narrative and what makes it more

0:12:30exciting is what you bring to it is i'm

0:12:32excited about your idea because there's

0:12:33what you bring to it as a reader to as

0:12:35you're reading it you're also thinking

0:12:36about different comics you've read and

0:12:38have it all ties in so you're bringing

0:12:40even more dimensions of information as

0:12:41well and when I have to reach that level

0:12:44there is not level to where they talk

0:12:45about the though the realm of fiction

0:12:47which is actually a little bit similar

0:12:49to the the unwritten we talked about in

0:12:51our first comic book club where there's

0:12:53a realm of fiction and there's somebody

0:12:54who comes out of it and they go back

0:12:56into it there's like a universe that's

0:12:57created and and they they tie that in at

0:13:00the end and they say well you know if

0:13:02you've got this kind of two-dimensional

0:13:03Arizona of information from which

0:13:05everything is all the universes are

0:13:07generated then you're not just it's not

0:13:09some necessarily fantastical land of

0:13:12fiction it could you know writers create

0:13:14a universe it could be a real universe

0:13:17that created that it is reality it's not

0:13:20just a flight of fancy

0:13:21it's real which is which ties into that

0:13:24which is a like I said crazy but it's

0:13:26it's really cool

0:13:27um time-travel you mentioned and that

0:13:30was another on my list of things that I

0:13:31i just took my head was like wow there's

0:13:33so much here is so dense that you you

0:13:36you mentioned it in in the finale

0:13:39basically there's this whole idea about

0:13:42you can create a time machine but when

0:13:46you create a time machine

0:13:47you can't travel further back than the

0:13:49creation of the time machine which is an

0:13:51idea i don't know if you guys have seen

0:13:53the movie primer yep which is a

0:13:55low-budget brilliant crazy also crazy

0:13:58low-budget sci-fi movie about these

0:14:00these guys in a office

0:14:02parking rocks austin texas who build a

0:14:04time machine invented a time machine and

0:14:06it's a it's a you can watch it like 10

0:14:09times and still not know what's going on

0:14:11because they keep on going back over

0:14:12each others time lines but I that I

0:14:16thought about that because it's a

0:14:17similar kind of premise but what they

0:14:18take it to is the next level and say

0:14:20right now it's all possibilities but

0:14:23once you create a time machine it

0:14:25flattens all the possibilities and just

0:14:27creates a single true reality because

0:14:30they can all travel back and and they

0:14:32all will travel back to the earliest

0:14:34point they can and you know there's no

0:14:37real resolution to that other than maybe

0:14:38that's not the way it works and Elijah

0:14:40snow doesn't care he's gonna we're gonna

0:14:42do the time-traveling anyway and then

0:14:43suddenly analogues of themselves

0:14:46dozens of analogs of themselves from the

0:14:48future appear to watch them as soon as

0:14:50he presses the button which is you know

0:14:52a great scene again i'm not quite sure

0:14:54whether I parsed how much sense it makes

0:14:57or not but it's sort of chilling to

0:14:59watch it in a way that the way they are

0:15:01laid out very very artfully about how

0:15:03they do the time sequence where you see

0:15:05them appear which I was impressed

0:15:07throughout i think that the the way that

0:15:09it's the way that it's drawn in the way

0:15:10the sequence of the panel's even our are

0:15:13so cinematic and that there's lightning

0:15:15is really i mean sometimes there's a

0:15:18page in one of the latter issues which i

0:15:20thought you know this is just brilliant

0:15:22timing it's four panels and the dialogue

0:15:25is on the third panel and it's entirely

0:15:27built so that you have that pause where

0:15:29where

0:15:30pause for the joke and then the joke

0:15:32it's or the punchline um kind of amazing

0:15:35but the time travel was the one that

0:15:37really impressed me there and I read

0:15:38that seen similar to when we did the

0:15:43first nuclear bomb tests and there was a

0:15:45very real possibility that there be a

0:15:48chain reaction and it would ignite the

0:15:50atmosphere and all life on earth would

0:15:51end and you know they thought it was

0:15:54worth the risk and Elijah snow knowing

0:15:57that during the time machine

0:15:59there's a very real possibility flattens

0:16:01all of reality and the universe

0:16:03attention implodes and everything is

0:16:05over the minute you turn on the time

0:16:07machine but it was worth the risk to

0:16:09save the third yeah and he was like I

0:16:12don't care

0:16:13push the button and it turns out they

0:16:15were wrong

0:16:16to yeah right right he would take the

0:16:18risk and that was just great i mean it

0:16:20is feel like a series finale but I a and

0:16:22it's weird because the main arc is over

0:16:24but at the same time I kinda like the

0:16:25the whole idea of its a guy who can

0:16:28control physics and so he stops time and

0:16:30he creates a little bubble bubble where

0:16:31time doesn't move but how do you get him

0:16:34out of it if you can't go into it

0:16:36because there's no time inside the

0:16:37bubble and so it was like well now that

0:16:39we've had the end of our series and

0:16:41we've reached this exalted position

0:16:43what do we do there and rather than take

0:16:46that you know for another 20 issues over

0:16:48the next 50 years they decide well

0:16:51here's an example of the kind of stuff

0:16:52that is in the life of planetary now

0:16:54that they've defeated the four is

0:16:55they're gonna do stuff crazy stuff like

0:16:57this and you can kind of only imagine

0:16:59what other crazy stuff they do when you

0:17:01the one not one but one of the redeeming

0:17:04graces of the last issue tues at one

0:17:07level planetary is also about Elijah

0:17:08snow emotional journey right because

0:17:12either he deliberately regress tour

0:17:14there was something kind of broken him

0:17:16when he did agree to be mindwiped by the

0:17:17four and over the course of the series

0:17:20you find out the things that drove the

0:17:22young man the heartbreak he endured with

0:17:25to keep his mom and by the end of it

0:17:28he's the kind of guy who's like I have

0:17:29no problem like the University it means

0:17:31saving a friend and that's something

0:17:33that Elijah snow would probably not have

0:17:36done it earlier points in the in this in

0:17:37the story but over the course of 26

0:17:39issues you see how he begins to put in

0:17:44heavy emotional lifting and work on on

0:17:46how i feel about these people that I'm

0:17:47working with and and what kind of steak

0:17:49do I haven't been in their happiness in

0:17:51mind and they comment on that

0:17:52like that whole last issue all of his

0:17:53friends are actually the last couple

0:17:55issues friends are like all right he's

0:17:56changed so much but they were kind of

0:17:58afraid right him and what he's seen so

0:18:00much the mind wipe and he says no no you

0:18:03know i have changed but that's not why

0:18:05yeah right yeah and it's actually one of

0:18:08the one of the characteristics about

0:18:11wildstorm I always felt is that it's not

0:18:14a warm and mushy type of universe is not

0:18:16overly emotional or filled with a lot of

0:18:18sincerity it's it's characterized by

0:18:20kind of a reflexive irony and grim sense

0:18:22of purpose and that can be a lot of fun

0:18:24to read for example when they had storm

0:18:26watches a series of the the

0:18:29a dialog and the the crazy ambitions

0:18:32people had were two of the feelings with

0:18:34the characters about storm watches the

0:18:36storm watches with Christian Sabbath or

0:18:38authority right and then an authority

0:18:40you have one of the things that was

0:18:42driving that was the rock-hard

0:18:43conviction all the characters that hey

0:18:45we're superheroes we we can clean up the

0:18:47world and no one's going to stop us so

0:18:49let's do it which is actually one of the

0:18:50reasons why i wasn't disappointed at one

0:18:52point at which planetary ends yeah

0:18:55because you could do it another series

0:18:57about what happens when they read reach

0:18:58that exalted position if they did it and

0:19:00it's the authority that's what that's

0:19:02about

0:19:02yeah right one is also that in this case

0:19:04the ones who had reached an exalted

0:19:06position where the four right and

0:19:08initially it was in right because they

0:19:11make this deal in the morning race to

0:19:13that will return our planets growth rate

0:19:15lock twist and we'll set you guys up and

0:19:17we'll set it up for easy invasion and oh

0:19:18by the way let's without another planets

0:19:20population to store our weapons right

0:19:22like that's one of the most indelible

0:19:24panels of the series for me is when

0:19:26they're standing and they realize that

0:19:27they're just standing in a sea of bones

0:19:29because the four had such contempt for

0:19:32life of any form they couldn't even be

0:19:33bothered to clean up their mess they

0:19:35just left it right there and right but

0:19:37in a way because one else created the

0:19:39authority as well yes and you know in

0:19:42some ways I think planetary was a almost

0:19:45an admission that if the authority

0:19:46existed like the four ya another group

0:19:49would have to take them now like that

0:19:50you can't be allowed to continue

0:19:52there's a planetary authority crossover

0:19:54just there is one option yep and you see

0:19:58that the authority has turned into just

0:20:00this horrible collection of cyborgs and

0:20:02Lynn reptilian figures that goes from

0:20:05universe to universe destroying the

0:20:07planetary organization everywhere it

0:20:09goes huh

0:20:10and so in planetary finally shuts them

0:20:12down so it does play out that tension

0:20:15between unchecked power versus idealism

0:20:18but you know looking back round the

0:20:20original point actually think I'm

0:20:21planetary is one of the most humane

0:20:22books when you think about it in the

0:20:24wild storm universe because again you've

0:20:26got people who are doing things added a

0:20:29genuine sense of compassion and

0:20:31curiosity and wonder as opposed to I can

0:20:33shoot fire from my fingertips

0:20:35how can I use this against genocidal

0:20:37dictators right there is that the the

0:20:39whole idea of an archaeologist and there

0:20:41is a detachment and the

0:20:42sort of observation of of that all that

0:20:45kind of cynicism and we've you know we

0:20:48found this woman who came to save

0:20:50mankind so we kill her

0:20:52yeah like they the book and get that

0:20:53across but not lose any of that hope

0:20:55your idealism because the characters who

0:20:57are sort of discovering this are doing

0:20:59it from the outside

0:21:00Yeah right there their job is to me the

0:21:03story arc is a hole right you start

0:21:05their job is done on earth the the

0:21:08evidence of what happened and observe it

0:21:10right and and the story arc really comes

0:21:14from the fact that by collecting all of

0:21:16that information their route something

0:21:18is revealed that they can't not take

0:21:21action so so you know in the end they

0:21:24can't be just observers of this stuff

0:21:27but that's sort of the initial thing is

0:21:28that you know they're not they're not

0:21:29really rendering judgment they are just

0:21:31discovering what happened and then

0:21:33putting into their planetary guides

0:21:34right right we should then accumulates

0:21:37to the point where it becomes quite

0:21:39clear that something is going on that

0:21:42they need to do something about it and

0:21:43that kicks off the ark it's quite clever

0:21:45because you you think what you're seeing

0:21:47is almost an anthology series and then

0:21:50it turns out that it's actually you've

0:21:52actually been seeing huge just seeds of

0:21:54story arc that will then largely get

0:21:57paid off right i mean it

0:21:58most of that stuff does get paid off its

0:22:00not just sort of there for fun generally

0:22:02you get toward the end of an issue and

0:22:04you realize oh that's why the story is

0:22:06important instead of just being like

0:22:08well that was interesting as an huh well

0:22:11with the spaceship is my favorite where

0:22:13they send the thing character away

0:22:15well and not just that you've got the

0:22:17guy who agrees to basically give up his

0:22:19humanity in his life to write to steer

0:22:22the ship as well and even when they do

0:22:24do that the issue where they said that

0:22:25thing away they have the recording

0:22:26angels who are going to go to their

0:22:29deaths and all the all the expresses

0:22:32gratitude for the opportunity to be able

0:22:34to record the experiences they go and

0:22:35there's all these little humbling

0:22:36moments that are just scattered to the

0:22:38whole series where the there's kind of a

0:22:41sense of joy of discovery throughout it

0:22:43where we have all these people who were

0:22:45like yes they're all this is not the

0:22:47life I would've chosen but think about

0:22:48what I'm going to get out of what I'm

0:22:50doing now and it's incredibly optimistic

0:22:52it is

0:22:53yeah you know for those

0:22:56I I imagine they're probably some people

0:22:57listening I would cut quite who haven't

0:22:59read it yet and that's okay because I

0:23:02mean hey the good guys one of the end

0:23:03big shock but home but how they do it is

0:23:06it really is about the journey what I'd

0:23:08say is that this is this book really

0:23:10hits the sweet spot if you're somebody

0:23:12who likes superhero comics and likes the

0:23:17kind of sci-fi website my comics or

0:23:19other side kind of sci-fi stuff which i

0:23:22always i was loved to and for me this is

0:23:25this great combination of that because

0:23:27they are these crazy science fictional

0:23:29concepts throughout and yet it's also

0:23:31all about iconic heroes not just

0:23:33superheroes but you know like The Lone

0:23:35Ranger and things like that too and

0:23:37Tarzan and you put it all together in a

0:23:39in a blender and it's you know it's a

0:23:41great combination to get both of those

0:23:42things I think it would appeal to people

0:23:44who like some of those sort of mysteries

0:23:46like x-files or lost because there is

0:23:49that that that discovery aspect in that

0:23:52on yelling kind of always think this is

0:23:54almost the x-files done right where

0:23:55you've got the you've got the soft

0:23:57contains stories but there's a myth in

0:23:59an origin story that artists throughout

0:24:00and there's an actual satisfying pay off

0:24:02as opposed to and now we ended in a cave

0:24:04yeah right lost its like lost in the

0:24:06sense that that all the TV shows that

0:24:09try to replicate lost made a mistake of

0:24:10having crazy sci-fi art stuff happened

0:24:12in the first episode we at with lots of

0:24:14time discontinuities and stuff like that

0:24:16and if you look at the first season of

0:24:17lost what got people hooked on lost is

0:24:19that it was slow there were very few

0:24:22genre things introduced at all and it

0:24:25was all about characters and telling

0:24:26stories and then they would continually

0:24:29Ratchet it up and you know and they lost

0:24:31some people and other people in the

0:24:32audience stayed fair you know there's a

0:24:34whole argument to be made about lost in

0:24:36a different podcast but that's what

0:24:38struck me about planetary I now that you

0:24:40mention it is it it takes its time like

0:24:44that and whatnot you don't you don't say

0:24:46this is going to be a complicated story

0:24:47arc about this group and this group

0:24:49battling each other over the fate of the

0:24:51planet instead you say hey there's this

0:24:53group who learned these interesting

0:24:54stories we're going to tell those

0:24:56stories and then as you see the stories

0:24:57it starts to come together and you

0:24:59realize there is something bigger that

0:25:00you know that sort of stealth approach

0:25:02if you did the story you're reading is

0:25:04not a story you think you're reading so

0:25:06much more effective and you know I go

0:25:08back to the lost knock

0:25:09I swear they didn't get it that you know

0:25:11go jumping to the end doesn't make you

0:25:14get to satisfaction faster it destroys

0:25:17all the satisfaction because you you

0:25:19know you don't have that moment of

0:25:20discovery because I freely admit as a

0:25:22reader reading the back third planetary

0:25:23was really really exciting I mean I got

0:25:25into a pretty much when it started and

0:25:271600 it's fun to read whatever but when

0:25:30i would say in the last six or seven

0:25:32issues for coming out i was i would

0:25:33practically skip home from the comic

0:25:35book store because I was just so excited

0:25:37to see what the payoffs would be those

0:25:38last six issues came out over the course

0:25:40of seven years

0:25:41yes it was but it was the race between

0:25:45that and rising star is honestly to see

0:25:47which one would address so i was so

0:25:49bitter about that but it was the if

0:25:53reading through that series is so

0:25:55satisfying especially if you did sink in

0:25:56again ten years by the time you're at

0:25:58the end of it you're like oh my gosh

0:26:00they think they've pulled this reference

0:26:02out they've tried this back in and you

0:26:03see all these pieces fall into place and

0:26:06i'm not sure how much of that is a side

0:26:08effect of well they've had this leisure

0:26:09of time and space to wrap things up and

0:26:11really thinking through and how much of

0:26:12it they had planned out and then

0:26:15surprise other projects got in the way

0:26:17but either way it makes for really

0:26:19gratifying experiences a reader it

0:26:21didn't I would think of all the comics

0:26:23I've read and then when you are asked

0:26:25that desert island question if you have

0:26:27one series you know for the rest of your

0:26:29life this is the only comic you're ever

0:26:30going to read I think planetary would be

0:26:32it

0:26:33wow it to meet has certainly a lot there

0:26:35right a lot they're entering the the

0:26:37tone was just so pitch perfect and

0:26:39you're talking about it earlier with

0:26:40like the art and the pacing in this

0:26:43cinematic miss of the whole thing it's

0:26:44just pitch perfect tone and it's so

0:26:47beautiful to look at I mean Cassidy's

0:26:48art is just sublime that he's great i

0:26:51recommend buying it in the the two

0:26:53absolute collection CM because then you

0:26:55have the large oversized start it's just

0:26:57gorgeous and the good news is when you

0:26:58order those they come and they don't

0:27:00wait 10 years right

0:27:01that's seriously from for those who who

0:27:04didn't see it all the way through

0:27:06now you can just watch it I mean that

0:27:08that is the advantage of of waiting the

0:27:11disadvantages that you don't get to see

0:27:12a while it's happening because you can

0:27:14get it all wrapped up

0:27:15that was my philosophy my stock much

0:27:17battlestar galactica was I wanted to

0:27:19make sure the whole series wrapped up

0:27:20and people are satisfied with it before

0:27:21it started

0:27:22did wrap-up and some people were

0:27:25satisfied and some people some people

0:27:28well I say that about loss to write lost

0:27:30wrapped up in a lot of people were

0:27:31dissatisfied I thought it was both of

0:27:33those series I thought the last season

0:27:34was a disappointment and at the end i

0:27:37thought you know i wasn't as down on the

0:27:39end I I guess I must be forgiving of

0:27:42series finales because you know it's

0:27:45tough to do a big finish and I didn't

0:27:46think they completely either of them

0:27:47completely blue and I thought the state

0:27:49i thought that the last episodes of both

0:27:51of those shows were were maybe good unto

0:27:54themselves but perhaps failed in living

0:27:57up to the series that came before so

0:27:59that as an episode was like oh I see

0:28:01it's not a bad way to end it but you

0:28:03know then I'll look back on all the

0:28:04stuff that they had set up and and and

0:28:06then you kind of get disappointed by it

0:28:07bindings are really really hard they're

0:28:09really hard because witnesses talking

0:28:11about the very last issue of planetary

0:28:12right but to me although it's the

0:28:14next-to-last issue that sort of the

0:28:16climax right here in the last issue is

0:28:18cool that the the next-to-last issue

0:28:20I you know the kind of wrap up the whole

0:28:22story arc in 33 pages right that's where

0:28:25there's a he snaps his fingers dropped

0:28:27the body and write that I don't know

0:28:29what the the last two members of the

0:28:31four were dispatched a little too easily

0:28:34considering how built up it was for so

0:28:36long I felt an unbeatable enemy right

0:28:39that but he has a plan exactly which is

0:28:42it is interesting thing about the

0:28:43character the entire time allows us know

0:28:45once he figures out who he is that he is

0:28:49the guy with the plan

0:28:50yeah I'm and things through the angles

0:28:52and and at the end is willing to take

0:28:54risks but it did seem those last three

0:28:57pages of the the second-to-last issue

0:28:59kind of was oh they need to wrap this up

0:29:03because they're ready to end the series

0:29:04right and kind of abrupt it was abrupt

0:29:07the that's why i was happy that they had

0:29:09the last issue because the last issue

0:29:11actually redeemed a lot of it because I

0:29:13got to see sort of the aftermath and if

0:29:15it had just ended with that you know

0:29:17that the final resolution it would have

0:29:19been actually a real downer because it's

0:29:22been like really that's it and now

0:29:23you're done that's the whole that's how

0:29:24you tell the story right because it

0:29:27doesn't generally resolve Elijah's arc

0:29:29right i mean you need to see his

0:29:30emotional resolutions hit in the last

0:29:32issue and to me that's the last issue i

0:29:34liked so much more than this

0:29:36second-to-last way which is a nice trick

0:29:39right they so they didn't quite stick

0:29:40the ending but it wasn't the ending they

0:29:42got to do a little bit more as like Lord

0:29:45of the Rings there are several and like

0:29:48your adventure with the endings you're

0:29:49not quite that bad right

0:29:51I don't know because it made sense there

0:29:53without it there was the plot ending in

0:29:55a second to last issue where they

0:29:57dispatch the bad guys and then the sort

0:30:00of more emotional character arc ending

0:30:02of the last issue right if you view the

0:30:05next-to-last issue from the character

0:30:07perspective that's about the other two

0:30:09members of planetary coming to accept

0:30:14that Elijah is gonna do what he's gonna

0:30:17do when they need to trust him

0:30:18yeah that's that's the the character

0:30:20thing that happens in that episode is

0:30:22like we're gonna I you know we're going

0:30:24to invest our trust in this guy and it

0:30:27pays off

0:30:28you know but plot-wise yeah it was it's

0:30:31always the danger that women biggest

0:30:32danger on on TV shows to you know with

0:30:35this happened are you a lot you create

0:30:37this huge villain you know dr. Buffy

0:30:40means having lots of TV shows huge big

0:30:42bad you build them up and then you got

0:30:45to resolve it and unless you will have

0:30:48an incredibly ambitious you know

0:30:50multi-part TV episode or issue or

0:30:52whatever you know teardown takedown of

0:30:55that big bad if you're doing it you know

0:30:58in in the rear regular format it's going

0:31:00to be yeah 56 pages of the takedown the

0:31:02and you're always almost always left

0:31:04with wondering how big and bad were they

0:31:07if that's what this is it what you want

0:31:09and you get this like on the what's

0:31:11widely considered one of the best

0:31:12episodes of Doctor Who that Castro lava

0:31:14which dispatch the fifth doctor

0:31:17oh no caves of Androzani case of a yes

0:31:19thank you yeah managers on everybody

0:31:21dies right well I think that's something

0:31:22like if you that it's not about taking

0:31:25down the bad guy or how fast or how hard

0:31:27it's what were the consequences if you

0:31:29brought up the bad guy there has to be

0:31:31consequences there has to be sacrifices

0:31:33and actually really thats they're doing

0:31:35this in fables though where they have

0:31:37the war and they dispatched the the big

0:31:39bad Emperor the the enemy and Bill

0:31:42Willingham has been basically playing

0:31:44out what happens afterward where people

0:31:46are like okay the photo was conquered

0:31:47oak rap what we do now

0:31:50recommendation building is really hard

0:31:51yeah and and if you had a sense of

0:31:53purpose where my sense of purpose is to

0:31:55vanquish this evil force and all of a

0:31:57sudden the force is gone and there's

0:31:59still these things that are broken in

0:32:00your life you have nothing to blame that

0:32:03those problems on anymore so what do you

0:32:04do and you know i'm i'm i'm delighted by

0:32:09what they're doing with fables right now

0:32:10and in that sense where against the

0:32:12nation building there's always different

0:32:13factions that are not either coalescing

0:32:15are splitting apart as people try to

0:32:17regain their moral footing and try to

0:32:19reconfigure their futures and I wish

0:32:22more comic books would do that or or

0:32:24more or more series in general because

0:32:26as you said so many times it's we have

0:32:28this this force that we have two more

0:32:29this person we have to vanquish that we

0:32:32have triumphed and smash cut fade to

0:32:34black as opposed to tonight we have

0:32:36triumphed and then along comes an

0:32:37insurance adjuster who's like okay and

0:32:39who's gonna clean all this up

0:32:40well actually one of the things I liked

0:32:43about Babylon 5 which I watched

0:32:46religiously was they had a couple of

0:32:50story resolutions in the middle

0:32:52basically the end of the third year they

0:32:54resolve this entire story arc with the

0:32:56earth government being you know turning

0:32:59into a kind of a dictatorship and what

0:33:02was interesting about that is that they

0:33:03that allowed them to play out what the

0:33:05aftermath of that was and then I think

0:33:07more or less by accident they ended up

0:33:09rushing their story resolution and their

0:33:11fourth year because they were afraid

0:33:12they were gonna be cancelled and they

0:33:14got a fifth-year was a great season but

0:33:17it was still kind of fascinating in the

0:33:19sense that it was about what happens

0:33:21when the battles that you spent the last

0:33:22years fighting are over and it's what

0:33:25you're left with is a mess and you're

0:33:27the ones who have inherited it how do

0:33:29you put it back together and they didn't

0:33:31you know the execution of that wasn't so

0:33:32great but the execution of the aftermath

0:33:34of the the Civil War episodes they did

0:33:36actually pretty pretty cool and I like

0:33:38that approach of saying you know when

0:33:40the when when the big bad is defeated

0:33:43it's not the end it's the beginning and

0:33:46the some of the best drama isn't how you

0:33:48cope with the aftermath and so this and

0:33:50like he always did that to where they

0:33:52would usually have the big bad defeated

0:33:54in the penultimate episode of the season

0:33:55and in the last episode was you know

0:33:57rather than doing a season-ending

0:33:58cliffhanger they did that sometimes but

0:33:59they also did it where the last episode

0:34:01was the fallout it was it was a

0:34:03the characters like planetary and not

0:34:05really about the the story arc which I

0:34:07already was going to point out in

0:34:09planetary they don't just barely do that

0:34:10as well then because they the last issue

0:34:14doesn't deal with the aftermath of what

0:34:15is community do now they're not being

0:34:17repressed anymore

0:34:20it deals more with the individual

0:34:21characters and right

0:34:23however they change right but like I

0:34:24said I'm sorry for land i sort of feel

0:34:26like those themes were so we're so done

0:34:28in the authority that it's almost like

0:34:30they were saying well you know we're not

0:34:33gonna talk about that here that would be

0:34:35at that's a whole other that's a whole

0:34:36other series also don't think we don't

0:34:38have a really strong narrative tradition

0:34:39in in serial drama of any type that deal

0:34:43look deals with the aftermath I mean

0:34:45most of the strength of narrow of serial

0:34:47drama tends to be here is a situation

0:34:48here is an antagonist here is how we

0:34:51build our case and here's how we will

0:34:52ultimately prevail and the series ends

0:34:55but you never have one that starts off

0:34:56with well we've got a mess we we no

0:34:59longer have a common enemy so how are we

0:35:01supposed to bond with each other

0:35:03there was a peter david has a comic

0:35:06writer Ellie Alex other things

0:35:07xfactor i love his ex factor yeah he

0:35:09will he wrote a series of Star Trek

0:35:11novels called the new frontier and was

0:35:14like a whole different crew and stuff

0:35:15and with the interesting thing was the

0:35:17main character the captain was from this

0:35:19planet or something and he his people

0:35:24were slaves or something and he'd led a

0:35:26rebellion on the planet when he was like

0:35:2720 21 and became the whole leader of

0:35:30this rebellion that overthrew this

0:35:31entire empire that had been there

0:35:33forever and you follow that up and then

0:35:36the the joint Starfleet poorly he he

0:35:39tried anything because essentially like

0:35:41his life had peaked at ya 21 and now he

0:35:43was in his forties and you know he

0:35:45wasn't part of the government he wasn't

0:35:47that wasn't his thing and I those

0:35:51aspects of the character were so

0:35:52interesting to me because it was sort of

0:35:54what do you do after yeah you've you've

0:35:57done this

0:35:58yeah how do you top it where you go on

0:35:59with your life and and the thing that

0:36:01you succeeded at is done and they don't

0:36:03need that anymore

0:36:04yeah i think it's now president

0:36:06president mean George Washington

0:36:08thumbs-up good job is generally the guy

0:36:10who leads the revolution is probably not

0:36:13who you want as your leader after a

0:36:15razor revolution right

0:36:17what he's good at it yeah they're good

0:36:19at the the you know organizing the

0:36:21factions and and for overthrowing the

0:36:23bad guys not necessarily governing I'd

0:36:26love to see a series about someone who's

0:36:27trying to figure out what the heck

0:36:29they're doing now that the revolutions

0:36:30over or now that they vanquished um I'd

0:36:33read The Hunger Games that the Y a

0:36:35trilogy while i was on maternity leave

0:36:36and then I went and read other people's

0:36:38reactions to that book and a lot of

0:36:40people really hated the ending of the

0:36:42third book which makes total sense from

0:36:46a purely logical and practical

0:36:47perspective I feel like we should do the

0:36:49spoiler horn for this too I can hear the

0:36:51spoiler horn now

0:36:54she lives but she basically has put out

0:36:58to pasture by the government because

0:36:59she's no longer politically useful and

0:37:00she goes back to her village needs a

0:37:02very quiet life and people are

0:37:03complaining all my god and i thought no

0:37:05this makes perfect sense you have a

0:37:06highly unstable 17 year old killer

0:37:09you're not gonna make her the minister

0:37:11of culture

0:37:12I mean you're basically going to make

0:37:14sure that she can't embarrass you and

0:37:16and be sure to wish you don't

0:37:17necessarily want to be in that position

0:37:18anywhere she really messed up and we can

0:37:21just go home but it's it's winston

0:37:23churchill like this happens in the real

0:37:25world in a minute world war two was over

0:37:27they got rid of him

0:37:29oh yeah they came back later but it was

0:37:30pretty disasters i said you know I

0:37:33vaguely remember i read a book of

0:37:35British history also maternity leave but

0:37:36that's just a big Pink's there to arrive

0:37:38blur everything which people in it

0:37:40that's how we know something about a

0:37:42blitz no apparently yeah but maybe that

0:37:46is a strength of this series is that

0:37:47they really don't show you that the

0:37:48cleanup effort is at words it's it's

0:37:50just it's one man's emotional journey

0:37:52from point A to point B he creates the

0:37:54surrogate family and oh by the way they

0:37:56happen to overflow the sinister cabal

0:37:58that's been 40 humanity's progress 119

0:38:01immortal super-powered man's emotional

0:38:04hey I guess what's gonna happen to him

0:38:06now it is the 21st century so is he just

0:38:08going to keep on going

0:38:10evidently he see dual century to century

0:38:12guy while he's he's supposed to be the

0:38:14ghost of the 20th century which I always

0:38:16felt was like a nice cheat where they

0:38:17could say he lives on me because he's

0:38:20the ghost of the 2000s watching guy

0:38:21yeah because back in my day that's right

0:38:23ballparks dies and she the jet engine

0:38:26stops dead and turn of the century yet

0:38:27another shitty quantum and they had a

0:38:29plotline think authority where they went

0:38:31back and they got to meet Jimmy fire and

0:38:32Jenny steam engine ecole power and data

0:38:35not Jenny coal power which any fire was

0:38:39a cro-magnon which I thought was just

0:38:41delightful

0:38:41Jenny Jenny paddlewheel they believe

0:38:45that they may have actually had

0:38:46something like that the idea was that

0:38:47all of that the cognitive and

0:38:49technological leaps that shape

0:38:50civilization there was there was a

0:38:52general like figured that helped put all

0:38:54the pieces together the concept behind

0:38:55that the planet is a sort of living

0:38:58organisms that creates the creatures on

0:39:01it in a way and that the planetary

0:39:02defense system is these century babies

0:39:05yeah it creates its own immune system

0:39:06effectively

0:39:08and that was only that's actually

0:39:09another thing about planetary and

0:39:10authority the rest of the hell these

0:39:11beautiful throwing ideas out there they

0:39:14just kind of casually mentioned where

0:39:15you could spin entire series right more

0:39:17analysis like an idea factory in these

0:39:20amazing

0:39:21yeah so any other last words about

0:39:25planetary before we move on I will never

0:39:27ever get the image of those children's

0:39:29heads blowing up out of my mind

0:39:30oh that's such a crazy again cinematic

0:39:33to right where the row of children

0:39:35working at the computers and they all

0:39:36got these kind of the controllers around

0:39:38their necks and they press day they have

0:39:40a fight and try to keep the guy from

0:39:41pressing the red button and press the

0:39:43red button and they but basically blow

0:39:44up all the kids heads except the one kid

0:39:46who is close enough that they can pull

0:39:47it off yeah where his head but yea

0:39:49horrifying and i will never forget it i

0:39:51think it's interesting that we've been

0:39:52talking about the whole series we didn't

0:39:54talk about the fact that the three main

0:39:56characters have powers are we briefly

0:39:58mentioned but it's almost like a side

0:40:00thing the fact that Elijah snow can

0:40:03makes free stuff

0:40:05yeah I would never think of him as like

0:40:06an analog to the Iceman or something

0:40:08like that is just add whatever that's

0:40:09not his

0:40:10what's the functional house is that he's

0:40:12got power and that he's old and knows

0:40:15stuff right right name it was yeah like

0:40:17you said the function personally the

0:40:18same way where chiquita Wagner may have

0:40:20superhuman strength and and on your

0:40:22invulnerability to pain but a real power

0:40:24is the fact that she's just relentlessly

0:40:27fearless and and for the drummer who I

0:40:31just stuff is really opaque yeah he was

0:40:34a hard character to get a grasp on for

0:40:35me

0:40:36well he in some ways he's the exposition

0:40:38character yeah he he knows stuff when

0:40:40they needed to know stuff and you can

0:40:41explain stuff when he needs he was comic

0:40:43relief because there's that all you kids

0:40:46today

0:40:46yeah fast but like I said I felt like he

0:40:48was the hardest one to get a grasp on

0:40:50but still the same time it wasn't the

0:40:52fact that the man is basically living

0:40:53breathing computer it's it's that you

0:40:56know he can actually translate what he

0:40:57knows to to language that people can

0:40:59understand i like when they treat the

0:41:01powers its just oh he's left-handed he

0:41:03can shoot fire from the fingertips right

0:41:05now it's gonna be gifted graphic artist

0:41:07and he has laser vision as often happens

0:41:13in so I'm what else are you guys reading

0:41:16these days haha

0:41:18well it turns out there's not a lot of

0:41:21good things out there really so it's not

0:41:24just me then

0:41:24no I did just finish literally this

0:41:27morning the y the last man

0:41:30oh you finally finish that I finally we

0:41:33should do a whole which is doing all the

0:41:34Oddcast about what about what about that

0:41:36last issue and i was so disappointing

0:41:39for me it that stuck with me for days

0:41:41but probably not for the intended reason

0:41:43alright so we'll say that yeah I think

0:41:45maybe that could be our next topic in

0:41:46fact yeah I would love to go back and

0:41:48read those again because I those a

0:41:49couple years ago

0:41:50why is not a recent series didn't know

0:41:52it's not know but that's ok i actually

0:41:54think they're there they're ongoing and

0:41:56their their stories that are kind of

0:41:57playing out and there are things that

0:41:59are out there and some ways i would

0:42:00think for the great incomparable

0:42:02listenership as well that you go out and

0:42:04get and read write instead of trying to

0:42:06find back issues and future things and

0:42:09wait around for six months or 10 years

0:42:11for it to finish you can just go out and

0:42:13buy the book and read it

0:42:14there's something to be said for that

0:42:15and y the last man is what 50 issues yes

0:42:18and and has a resolution whether it's

0:42:21satisfying or not it has an ending and

0:42:24that's the end of the story i really

0:42:25loved that book but yeah the ending and

0:42:29eggs are hard right things are really

0:42:30having a hard

0:42:31yeah and it's did you did you did you

0:42:33read ex machina forex market everything

0:42:35I I haven't finished it I haven't

0:42:37finished it either

0:42:38ok cuz they should do that too yes I'd

0:42:40really interesting never shies away from

0:42:41the ending and I've heard that the

0:42:43ending had really mixed reactions and so

0:42:45I'm dying to take when it comes out and

0:42:46train i'm gonna grab it right and that's

0:42:48another bryan cave on buck right

0:42:50y the last man right the super mayor yep

0:42:52yeah the Delta hint at the ending in the

0:42:54beginning they do like basically that's

0:42:56it supposed to be forced foreshadowed is

0:42:57a tragedy and right I've been driving

0:43:00myself kind of crazy because I'm right

0:43:02now at the part with the the crazy Pope

0:43:03conspiracy around not there yet only

0:43:07read the first not really giving away a

0:43:09whole lot of crazy Pope conspiracy

0:43:11what else is new another crazy Pope

0:43:13conspiracy and of ongoing series is I

0:43:16picked up the new moon night number one

0:43:21sonu night series which made a great

0:43:23character from the 7d lovely little sick

0:43:26of it

0:43:27yeah I'm like at night and an

0:43:29interesting in a superhero archetype

0:43:30that he's kind

0:43:31the Batman character but also has

0:43:34multiple personalities just like Batman

0:43:36except even crazier than he had the

0:43:38mercenary guy the mark Specter the Jake

0:43:41Lockley who drove a cab and the rich guy

0:43:45Langley or something was his name

0:43:47so he's had a lot of a series and

0:43:50cancellations in series at one point he

0:43:52was in moon knight armor and you know

0:43:55crazy stuff so Brian Michael Bendis has

0:43:59a new series out with that artist he did

0:44:02careful with his name is escaping me

0:44:03right now but the whole idea is they've

0:44:05taken multiple personality and they've

0:44:07gone further with it so now he's got a

0:44:08spider man living in his head and a

0:44:10Wolverine living in his head and a

0:44:11captain america living in his head

0:44:13huh and he can mimic all of their

0:44:15abilities who as well as other

0:44:18personalities and then they've hinted

0:44:19there may be more and so that aspect is

0:44:22really interesting social economy

0:44:24picking up in the artwork is beautiful

0:44:25but the first issue I what's the word

0:44:30not good bad only because it's it's sort

0:44:33of like the opening paragraph of a book

0:44:37like it's not a complete story it's not

0:44:39like planetary did so well at having

0:44:41complete satisfying story / issue you

0:44:44have been just basically write some

0:44:45groups of four issues right so i don't

0:44:47recommend picking it up because yeah

0:44:49although there was some neat hints and

0:44:51stuff but overall nothing happened right

0:44:53no real sense of what the point is just

0:44:56terrible

0:44:57this is why it off by single issues

0:44:58anymore right I know i-i-i try that too

0:45:01I i made a mistake I i started flying

0:45:03single issues on my iPad that's where

0:45:07I'm that's where i'm buying single

0:45:09issues now and i'm reading because there

0:45:11are some day and date comics on the ipad

0:45:13now i'm reading invincible day and date

0:45:15on the ipad and thank you Lisa for for

0:45:18turning me on to that and i'm reading

0:45:20ultimate spider-man Marvel's one of

0:45:22marbles marbles i'lli'll have ultimate

0:45:24Spidey day and date is they decided more

0:45:27they're gonna try it and trying it with

0:45:28a couple of the ultimate titles and

0:45:30ultimate spider-man is one of them so

0:45:31i'm reading those as they come out now

0:45:34and they're there now in this weird

0:45:35death of ultimate death of Spiderman arc

0:45:37which is like they did they how many

0:45:39times they already said they were going

0:45:41to kill him and didn't kill him and this

0:45:42is next they're going to also say they

0:45:44are

0:45:45to kill them and they're not really

0:45:46gonna kill them and when they really

0:45:48gonna kill him

0:45:49I've got of course not you know how

0:45:52could they do that they'll find maybe

0:45:54this time it's real

0:45:55they'll fit about it but actually that

0:45:57this arc has been funny and tying it in

0:45:59with this avengers vs. Ultimates thing

0:46:02thats that's terrible i bought a couple

0:46:04of those issues and those are those are

0:46:06just embarrassingly nonsensical but that

0:46:09part of the arc that I liked recently an

0:46:11ultimate spider-man which i love

0:46:13I mean there and very similar to

0:46:14invincible in some ways is that after

0:46:18all this time of shield being aware of

0:46:20Who Peter Parker is that he spider-man

0:46:21and that he's this kid and they've

0:46:23always had the attitude like this kid is

0:46:25spider-man you know he's too young he's

0:46:27too powerful

0:46:28he's kind of you know not trustworthy

0:46:30loose cannon at some point carol danvers

0:46:34i think is in charge of shield now says

0:46:35says basically we don't trust you

0:46:39anymore

0:46:40you are gonna were either gonna shut you

0:46:42down lock you up or you're gonna take

0:46:45superhero lessons from The Ultimates and

0:46:48so and and they have a vote about like

0:46:50what to do in Captain America's like no

0:46:52no just just just lock him up and and

0:46:55and some of the other like Iron Man

0:46:57really likes him in and tony stark kind

0:46:58of relates to him so that silly them so

0:47:01they said well yeah and so there's no

0:47:03it's it's pretty funny and they send

0:47:05Tony Stark and Iron Man 2 repeaters

0:47:08house and he just iron man appears of

0:47:09peter's house and people like in order

0:47:11here I have a secret identity getting

0:47:14out i'll meet you somewhere go away and

0:47:17Captain America was very reluctant he

0:47:19shows up at one point and and and you

0:47:22know give him a hard time and says how

0:47:23he shouldn't be doing this and you

0:47:25really need to be more responsible and

0:47:26all these things that's a great arc

0:47:28that's actually really enjoyable because

0:47:29it's playing off of this fundamental

0:47:31idea that series that i love which is

0:47:33heated he's a kid he does have these

0:47:35powers

0:47:36he's trying to navigate his complicated

0:47:37kind of kids social life as well as the

0:47:40bigger adult world of the superheroes

0:47:42that stuff is great now this and then

0:47:44yet every issue is got death of

0:47:46Spiderman slapped on it and I just roll

0:47:48my eyes and think you know you're

0:47:50telling good stories do you need to to

0:47:53lay these kind of crazy story arc stunts

0:47:57on top

0:47:58and the storytelling are actually pretty

0:47:59good but they're going to mess it up and

0:48:01it's gonna take me a year to get back to

0:48:03status quo

0:48:04presumably they will mean like the big

0:48:05flood like the big flood was totally

0:48:08changed everything about the ultimate

0:48:09universe except didn't do anything ever

0:48:12had some troubles you got it put jonah

0:48:14Jameson in charge of a website instead

0:48:15of a newspaper

0:48:17they've just got you a job offers yeah

0:48:20since we lost our print analog a while

0:48:24back

0:48:24that's that's right you and you and

0:48:26jenna jameson by the way follow I a

0:48:29healing my favorite twitter twitter

0:48:31twitter twitter yesterday morning always

0:48:33follow jenna jameson on twitter you nod

0:48:36to all of his tweets are in all capital

0:48:37letters and he basically yells at this

0:48:39brand this brand and and they they

0:48:42changed without his avatar to me but I

0:48:44don't like his new avatar like the old

0:48:46leather I love it because that's the

0:48:48Egyptian from the nineteen sixties and

0:48:49spiderman cartoon and when they did that

0:48:52they also did some tweets where he

0:48:53complained about teenagers which is

0:48:54actually all that jonah Jameson does in

0:48:57the original Spiderman animated show is

0:48:59is complaining about you know this brand

0:49:01I'm tired of these teenagers like Parker

0:49:03getting in my way

0:49:04sample sample point is i have just found

0:49:06out what-what a lady gaga is kill it

0:49:08kill it with fire haha there was one

0:49:11after Osama bin Laden was was was killed

0:49:13he tweeted the attention President Obama

0:49:16i can think of another menace that now

0:49:18also needs your attention

0:49:19he's in New York i can tell you where he

0:49:21is nice

0:49:24the only follow of comic characters on

0:49:26Twitter I only follow drunk hulk drunk

0:49:29hulk is good

0:49:30jenna jameson matter all right Jenna

0:49:33James delightful i'm going there now

0:49:35anything Lisa that you're that you're

0:49:36reading my of newer old when i read the

0:49:38second volume of unwritten or the second

0:49:40train i should say haha

0:49:41and that actually continues a lot of the

0:49:43themes where it's the idea that when you

0:49:45remake stories you can remake history

0:49:47because they end up in a bunch of Third

0:49:49Reich propaganda and yeah i'm gonna read

0:49:51that soon because as a hugo voter i will

0:49:54get the hugo packet with all the hugo

0:49:56nominees and becoming you get it and it

0:49:57got nominated for four Hugo word for

0:50:00actually to be a hugo voter all you have

0:50:02to do is become a supporting member of

0:50:04the world con science fiction convention

0:50:05which is in reno this year so i'm

0:50:07actually going but you can also add the

0:50:10last couple years I've been up

0:50:12older you pay sort of half price of the

0:50:14convention fee 22 so you don't have to

0:50:17attend if you don't want to but you can

0:50:19vote so easily by your bed yeah at you

0:50:22you buy you buy a vote and and you get

0:50:25you by voting you get uh the packet and

0:50:29the packet usually contains all of the

0:50:31novel's better nominated all the short

0:50:33stories and all the all the graphics not

0:50:36always all but most of them so i got

0:50:38fables as a PDF last year and I got ya

0:50:41the Batman art by a by Neil Gaiman last

0:50:44year as it turns out i am also reading

0:50:45fables i highly recommend becoming a

0:50:49supporting member and getting the human

0:50:50me so I'll read the unwritten black to i

0:50:52get to vote for the eyes nurs but we

0:50:54don't get free comics shameful ice it's

0:50:57wrong

0:50:58yeah it is absolutely wrong if you're

0:50:59gonna vote on something you need to hold

0:51:01the digital the digital revolution has

0:51:03changed things where you know i'm sure

0:51:04they didn't give out free books before

0:51:05but now that now they can just simply

0:51:08afternoon about ya of a nominated book

0:51:10or a PDF of the nominated comic and so

0:51:13it works pretty well and no unwritten

0:51:14fables and i have a bunch of gail simone

0:51:18books on my Amazon wish list i'll

0:51:19probably go through and clean out soon

0:51:21because I follow her slavishly alright

0:51:23so next up let's talk y the last man try

0:51:26to do that so read that if you haven't

0:51:28and until then and we're going to try to

0:51:32do this every month now we're gonna

0:51:33we're going to set something up so we'll

0:51:35be back sooner than this last gap was or

0:51:38the one before that I thought that gap

0:51:40is appropriate for planetary it was very

0:51:43mad

0:51:43that's it was all intentional folks yeah

0:51:45all intentional in the next one it's

0:51:47just gonna be the women

0:51:49ok i'll be talking to myself the whole

0:51:51hour until then this has been the comic

0:51:57book club for the uncomfortable not the

0:51:59planetarium

0:52:00comfortable I'm Jason snail and thank

0:52:03you to jason reitman thank you very much

0:52:05and too leishman is always a pleasure

0:52:07until the next edition of the

0:52:09uncomfortable and the next

0:52:10soon-to-be-released edition of the comic

0:52:12book club we promise

0:52:14thanks for

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