The Incomparable

37: Shadow War of the Night Dragons


  the incomparable pod test number 37 may [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable I'm [TS]

  Jason smell i'm joined today by Dan [TS]

  more'n hi Dan [TS]

  hello Jess and it's so nice to be on [TS]

  this podcast with you after so long [TS]

  since i was last on a podcast video also [TS]

  joining me today is Scott McNulty hello [TS]

  hello [TS]

  we form we we brave 3form this [TS]

  particular invocation of the [TS]

  incomparable book club so John Scalzi is [TS]

  our topic today John Scalzi [TS]

  award-winning I believe science fiction [TS]

  writer president of the science-fiction [TS]

  writers association of america i believe [TS]

  it's okay i hope to someday be a member [TS]

  of the Association working working hard [TS]

  at it [TS]

  that would be that would be good you [TS]

  need to write more science fiction I [TS]

  guess [TS]

  oh maybe everything from science fiction [TS]

  yes well you can always aspire we can [TS]

  all aspire damn i aspire to that to that [TS]

  would be great [TS]

  top great he has so he's in the news [TS]

  he's got a new book coming out called [TS]

  buzzy nation fuzzy nasally nation which [TS]

  is a which is a recasting I guess of an [TS]

  older book [TS]

  yeah so that's interesting we'll start [TS]

  we'll start there why not if there's a [TS]

  book called little fuzzy which is by [TS]

  beam Piper H beam Piper from the sixties [TS]

  and it's a very sort of sixties book [TS]

  where there's a protagonist with a pipe [TS]

  and easie he's healthy discovers he [TS]

  works for a mining company and he [TS]

  discovers little cute aliens [TS]

  you had me at protagonist of the pipe is [TS]

  a savvy guy and what's funny is that [TS]

  scholars book is coming out its I [TS]

  believe little fuzzy is in the public [TS]

  domain but here is some sequels that are [TS]

  under copyright and scalzi help H beam [TS]

  Piper did so scalzi decided for unto it [TS]

  i think unexplained reasons I think he [TS]

  was just kind of in a funk and so he [TS]

  decided to write basically as fanfiction [TS]

  a a reboot of of little fuzzy basically [TS]

  a modern john scalzi type retelling of [TS]

  the story of that of that book and by [TS]

  the time you get to the end he says that [TS]

  he really liked it and [TS]

  so he had his agent or lawyer or [TS]

  somebody approached the estate of Piper [TS]

  and asked if they could have permission [TS]

  to publish it and they said yes so this [TS]

  book that was sort of written on a lark [TS]

  is is now the new john scalzi novel i [TS]

  find that kind of a fascinating idea [TS]

  just did you know sort of broadly [TS]

  speaking it's there's a lot of [TS]

  interesting you know I think there's [TS]

  there's so much function you know so [TS]

  much attention on being original which [TS]

  is which is great i think obviously it's [TS]

  always cool to see new stories but at [TS]

  the same time we all know as anyone [TS]

  who's written anything knows when you [TS]

  get down to the base of it there are no [TS]

  new stories so I think there's always [TS]

  it's always interesting to think about [TS]

  some of our favorite works i think and [TS]

  wonder how how could that have gone [TS]

  differently or you know what what if i [TS]

  change this one thing would make the [TS]

  story really different or not i mean i [TS]

  think that's a fascinating thing to to [TS]

  play around with and I think it's it [TS]

  that at the root of sort of what makes [TS]

  scalzi kind of think he's kinda [TS]

  emblematic of a lot of you know sort of [TS]

  the modern genre of science fiction [TS]

  writers which is a lot of it is sort of [TS]

  a mosh and pastiche in some ways to two [TS]

  things that have gone before because so [TS]

  much of it is so established at two [TS]

  words with a French pronunciation think [TS]

  I can I think I can do this all about [TS]

  guess the effects of people that i wish [TS]

  i could say with this podcast is over in [TS]

  French but I don't even know what okay [TS]

  if you need dick doesn't that mean this [TS]

  place is dead but i'm really speaking [TS]

  things [TS]

  well yeah but as you say also reminds me [TS]

  of them another writer but not as big a [TS]

  fan of charles stross who I think a lot [TS]

  of his writing a lot of his stories [TS]

  borrow or tip their hat two things that [TS]

  came before he's got for example series [TS]

  that that plays sort of broadly in the [TS]

  Lovecraft you know world and so the it's [TS]

  interesting to see them sort of a not [TS]

  necessarily appropriate but but build [TS]

  off of these these older public-domain [TS]

  works and create something that's new [TS]

  but also kind of old took and borrowed a [TS]

  book from 50 years ago and basically [TS]

  said what would a modern a modern [TS]

  science fiction writer do with the same [TS]

  story but you know with very different [TS]

  kind of expectations for what a modern [TS]

  science fiction novelist it's much more [TS]

  complex care [TS]

  derstand it's more sort of political [TS]

  stuff happening and and and and it's [TS]

  interesting although he said he read it [TS]

  repeatedly as a kid but when he came [TS]

  time to write it he didn't read it again [TS]

  so it and apparently it diverges in many [TS]

  ways from the book because then he read [TS]

  the book after he had written his [TS]

  version of it was like oh I have no [TS]

  memory of this part so it's interesting [TS]

  it's sort of like his retelling of his [TS]

  memory of the book and not the actual [TS]

  book it's kind of a good idea i think it [TS]

  is but yeah I mean you could see that [TS]

  with I I'm surprised it doesn't happen [TS]

  more but you know books are owned by the [TS]

  writers and or or if they passed away by [TS]

  their estates and so you don't see what [TS]

  you see with movies and TV shows where [TS]

  Corporation owns the rights and use it [TS]

  as an asset for them to repurpose in [TS]

  some way and so you see reboots and [TS]

  remakes of movies and TV shows all the [TS]

  time but you don't see it with books and [TS]

  it's actually kind of funny it would be [TS]

  interesting yet you do see it on [TS]

  occasion I mean think of all very rare [TS]

  well but you mean you think of all the [TS]

  states that sort of you know they dub [TS]

  you know Aaron's parents to following [TS]

  story you know how many people right [TS]

  Robert Ludlum novels your wounds right [TS]

  yeah that's not the same as I mean [TS]

  imagine a modern sci-fi novelist doing [TS]

  dune right i mean Lois McMaster Bujold [TS]

  dune right fuck starting battles for [TS]

  storage here [TS]

  well sure fighting Paul would be miles [TS]

  writer now she's capable enough to write [TS]

  an interesting characters but just [TS]

  imagine something like that where you [TS]

  take a modern sci-fi writer and some [TS]

  classic that was written so long ago [TS]

  that presumably it would be told in a [TS]

  very different way now this is which [TS]

  this is a game that we should start [TS]

  that's a good a shots of older science [TS]

  fiction with newer all that I've got [TS]

  lois mcmaster bujold is doing you know [TS]

  top that one doe [TS]

  hmm i have a child china melville [TS]

  starship troopers who that's pretty good [TS]

  how about Nick Hardaway's foundation who [TS]

  actually that would be I would probably [TS]

  way better than the original [TS]

  yeah well the homeland [TS]

  hey right foundation although a classic [TS]

  is you know all the Asimov stuff is [TS]

  really you know he's got his he's got [TS]

  his issues he there things that he [TS]

  doesn't do well as human relationships [TS]

  are often kind of bland and he's got big [TS]

  ideas but the people are often kind of [TS]

  cardboard and you know it would be [TS]

  fascinating to see somebody who's got a [TS]

  different skill set take you know the [TS]

  the interesting stuff for massive mob [TS]

  and do something different with it or or [TS]

  any of his authors from 50 years ago [TS]

  well but within the Foundation series [TS]

  they did have three books that were [TS]

  written by three different science [TS]

  fiction authors modern-day science right [TS]

  that's true that's true that they [TS]

  weren't very good so let's yeah just [TS]

  goes to show you i guess i would like to [TS]

  see somebody we take on some of the [TS]

  works of philip k dick like CA and fax [TS]

  it works Anthony's yeah well speaking of [TS]

  which there is no model scalzi wrote a [TS]

  book called Androids Dream which I have [TS]

  not read but it's on my kindle and that [TS]

  is that is what i read that one [TS]

  it's it's much more of a it's much more [TS]

  value of a humor book it's more loving [TS]

  and legolas atoms in some ways [TS]

  probably my favorite of his works [TS]

  whatsoever right up [TS]

  what's the idea behind the android [TS]

  stream it involves with the these aliens [TS]

  they come to earth [TS]

  I'm trying to remember all i remember is [TS]

  that it [TS]

  there's something very there so there's [TS]

  a major plot point I feel like they had [TS]

  to deal with like flatulence yes because [TS]

  the aliens communicate using sent as [TS]

  well as a speech is that not agent to [TS]

  the stars [TS]

  no that's all we know maybe that maybe [TS]

  an agent to the stars [TS]

  I have a red agent to the stars although [TS]

  that was the first one I ever heard of [TS]

  him with because the my crew like from [TS]

  penny arcade the cover when he released [TS]

  it online it was a it was like a [TS]

  shareware yeah originally which is [TS]

  another inch that mean like i'll say [TS]

  this I one of the things I really like [TS]

  what causes hehe really [TS]

  he plays around with all this stuff [TS]

  right he's not he's he's very involved [TS]

  and engaged in what is the modern form [TS]

  right of a book or or you know what [TS]

  story for example [TS]

  I know he for a my favorite thing that [TS]

  he's done recently out of either did you [TS]

  read on the on April fools day he wrote [TS]

  this prologue so that is the backup [TS]

  oh I think I covered got his tour book [TS]

  store books did an analysis at some [TS]

  point of the most common words in [TS]

  fantasy saga titles right [TS]

  the shadow war of the night dragons and [TS]

  so John Scalzi wrote are like he wrote [TS]

  the first comment on the post were they [TS]

  were they wrote about this egg I will [TS]

  write this series you can just back the [TS]

  dump trucks of money up to my door now [TS]

  and then for april fools day he actually [TS]

  wrote the prologue to books the shadow [TS]

  war of the night dragons book1 the Dead [TS]

  City and if you haven't gotten a chance [TS]

  to read this [TS]

  go read this it is hilarious it is one [TS]

  of the funniest things i've read in ages [TS]

  because he clearly just started like [TS]

  what's the most ridiculous thing you [TS]

  know i could write and then just kept [TS]

  going and building on it and like it [TS]

  gets more and more ridiculous and but [TS]

  it's so perfectly constructed mockery of [TS]

  you know all the things that that we [TS]

  love to make fun of about fantasy I've [TS]

  got the the first paragraph of the [TS]

  shadow war of the night dragons up there [TS]

  I just want to be the first the first [TS]

  sentence which is a paragraph knighted [TS]

  come to the city of school and Aria the [TS]

  sort of night with such a quality of [TS]

  black to it that it was as if Blaque [TS]

  Cole had been wrapped in black as velvet [TS]

  bathed in the purple black ink of the [TS]

  demon squid trindle and flung down a [TS]

  black well that descended toward the [TS]

  deepest black as crevices of drinkable [TS]

  phangan another world ruled by dribble [TS]

  in which the sinful were punished the [TS]

  black of which was so legendarily black [TS]

  that when the dreaded trindle thing in [TS]

  flag in the ravenous blind black badger [TS]

  trolls of dribble thinkin with feast [TS]

  upon the uselessly dilated eyes of [TS]

  damned the abandoned would cry out enjoy [TS]

  as the dreadful thing in flag in morton [TS]

  feared black spoons of the journal [TS]

  thingy flagon pressed against the optic [TS]

  nerves giving them one last sensation of [TS]

  light before the most absolute blackness [TS]

  fell upon them made yet even blacker by [TS]

  the injuries sustained from a falling [TS]

  lump of [TS]

  pink Bates velvet trapped old yaxha he [TS]

  said he's got a great sense of humor and [TS]

  you see that I think most of us work [TS]

  not all of it but most of whom have you [TS]

  guys read the God engines which was a [TS]

  novella that he published it wasn't [TS]

  hilarious it was off it was a huge [TS]

  menomonie that was not funny it was not [TS]

  familiar but I did read it it was good i [TS]

  thought it was weird way it's it's sort [TS]

  of like there's a their priests who have [TS]

  a spaceship and they capture demons to [TS]

  travel from star system to star system [TS]

  and and that the demons are Devils or [TS]

  whatever they are are sort of tricksters [TS]

  and not to be trusted and yet they're [TS]

  sort of torn tortured and tormented and [TS]

  and some I think the captain has a [TS]

  crisis of faith at one point and get [TS]

  smacked down by God and it's it's very [TS]

  strange because it's the sort of [TS]

  religion as the propulsion system for [TS]

  these spaceships and it it turns out [TS]

  that they're horribly exploiting various [TS]

  populations and its really dark and not [TS]

  funny i was good and weird and not funny [TS]

  good visitor since it is that supposed [TS]

  to be funny as I guess what I'm saying [TS]

  it shows that he doesn't always do [TS]

  light-hearted that is true is a very it [TS]

  was a much darker book that his other [TS]

  works [TS]

  yeah but it was good it was that he's [TS]

  got some range so so the thing that John [TS]

  Scalzi is most famous for which I figure [TS]

  we spend most of our time talking about [TS]

  we got into it last which is interesting [TS]

  this is his reboot of the forever war [TS]

  oh I said it caves of steel John skull [TS]

  does the caves of steel i would read [TS]

  that as well very easy to please see I'm [TS]

  just I'm just coming up with them you [TS]

  know you are you're much better than [TS]

  this is a fun game we should open this [TS]

  up to the podcast listeners to send in [TS]

  their own reboots of modern science [TS]

  fiction writers rebooting [TS]

  science-fiction novels of old just to [TS]

  make sure to enclose a check with your [TS]

  submission [TS]

  yes and a self-addressed stop stamped [TS]

  unable to be uncomfortable right Dan [TS]

  morons war [TS]

  four of the world's oh I've got a very [TS]

  good plot for that whole all right but I [TS]

  suspect it weird that i was something [TS]

  else yes sir john scalzi is most well [TS]

  known for his old man's war series which [TS]

  is actually for books the original old [TS]

  man's war highly acclaimed and i believe [TS]

  has just been optioned is probably [TS]

  possibly going to be made into a major [TS]

  motion picture I've heard but that's a [TS]

  that you know that's a good book i [TS]

  assume you guys have have read that I [TS]

  have you right now all those PS i read [TS]

  all four alright i thought i read all [TS]

  four of them but it turns out there the [TS]

  first 10 it seems like a little too [TS]

  close too close or or I i read the other [TS]

  three and I've completely forgot [TS]

  everything but also old man's war the [TS]

  premise if it's been a little while now [TS]

  is that when you're on earth and you're [TS]

  really old [TS]

  you can sign up to basically join the [TS]

  space army and if you join the space [TS]

  army they grow you a new clone body [TS]

  that's young and healthy so that's a [TS]

  plus because otherwise you're gonna get [TS]

  it and it's green so it's green but the [TS]

  downside is you can never go back to [TS]

  earth and because the Space wars are [TS]

  really tough you'll probably just died [TS]

  in battle but you'll have it has its [TS]

  pros and it's comes but you know so that [TS]

  and that's how it starts like the first [TS]

  chapter right where this guy John joy [TS]

  out of promise right yeah yeah a lot of [TS]

  people if it's funny it gets it gets [TS]

  compared a lot 22 ender's game and I [TS]

  think that's because there are some [TS]

  there are some there are some [TS]

  superficial similarities and the the [TS]

  sort of high-concept pitch that you [TS]

  often hear it it's like ender's game but [TS]

  with old people and I think you know [TS]

  it's funny because a one of my good [TS]

  friends he had put off reading it for a [TS]

  long time and then you just recently [TS]

  started reading it goes wow this is this [TS]

  is much better I kept putting it off [TS]

  because people kept comparing to ender's [TS]

  game he said like you know which I liked [TS]

  but like I didn't necessarily want to [TS]

  read [TS]

  you know am and I think they're there [TS]

  are at the kind of does the book of the [TS]

  service because although i really like [TS]

  ender's game and think is it one of the [TS]

  most seminal books with the last science [TS]

  fiction books the last like you know 30 [TS]

  years or so they are very different in [TS]

  tone if nothing else the style is very [TS]

  high line like which I you know I look [TS]

  at the wikipedia entry and people have [TS]

  yes if people are mentioning the two [TS]

  books that I was going to mention it's [TS]

  like which is starship troopers in the [TS]

  forever war and there is so much high [TS]

  line that runs through especially this [TS]

  series it's definitely an homage to [TS]

  highline in some ways [TS]

  ya know i think that's that's definitely [TS]

  true i mean i think it's it seems [TS]

  lighter to me then then some of those [TS]

  other other books I mean a lighter than [TS]

  the forever war yeah just a little [TS]

  uh-huh the downer also just in terms of [TS]

  the narrative in terms of the the you [TS]

  know the protagonist viewpoint that we [TS]

  see things through [TS]

  I don't know I i find it maybe just more [TS]

  accessible or something there's [TS]

  something about his writing that is very [TS]

  is very colloquial is very accessible by [TS]

  having an old man who turns into the [TS]

  soldier you get you get to tell that [TS]

  that almost like starship troopers you [TS]

  get to tell a war story with this funny [TS]

  viewpoint which is a an old man so he's [TS]

  got a whole life's worth the worth of [TS]

  experiences and although he's not you [TS]

  know used to being out in space and all [TS]

  that he's not a wet-behind-the-ears kid [TS]

  either and it's a great you know it and [TS]

  it's a great little combination where he [TS]

  you know and there are some interesting [TS]

  characters and it is even though as his [TS]

  his compatriots get you know killed in [TS]

  these horrible firefighters from time to [TS]

  time it is still there's sort of a light [TS]

  aspect to it to right and there's other [TS]

  i don't know i mean you know there [TS]

  there's sort of this whole like culture [TS]

  shock sort of with the whole when they [TS]

  put them in the new bodies all of a [TS]

  sudden you know there is this moment of [TS]

  hey we're all young again you know let's [TS]

  take advantage of everything the right [TS]

  has to offer us basically so but he [TS]

  doesn't ignore that they actually set it [TS]

  up we're like there's a period of time [TS]

  with a water traveling to wherever [TS]

  they're going to get slaughtered where [TS]

  it's basically party on the ship because [TS]

  everybody's in there [TS]

  new bar in their new young bodies young [TS]

  athletic like super soldier body's not [TS]

  like yep you know what to do and then [TS]

  and then you know in a couple of days [TS]

  we'll go down on the planet and most of [TS]

  you will get killed for the glory of the [TS]

  human race [TS]

  yeah well I mean and that's where that's [TS]

  where the sort of i feel like that's [TS]

  where it gets a little more complexity [TS]

  you know along the lines of some of [TS]

  those other books in terms of why is [TS]

  this war began and I think that that [TS]

  intensifies as the books go on right [TS]

  rise this war being fought who are they [TS]

  fighting exactly you know and i think [TS]

  there's some really interesting like you [TS]

  point out that about them not going back [TS]

  to earth which as I recall was a sort of [TS]

  like a political move right basically [TS]

  because you know in theory these guys [TS]

  are like genetically engineered better [TS]

  than all the people on on on earth so it [TS]

  wouldn't really be you know they're kind [TS]

  of worried that these these super [TS]

  soldiers might turn on member something [TS]

  eventually when they they want to keep [TS]

  as it turns out but the politicians sort [TS]

  of want to keep the earth under their [TS]

  thumb and answer so what is almost like [TS]

  a it's not quite as zoo but it's almost [TS]

  like that where it's like you know when [TS]

  your honor if you're on earth and once [TS]

  you leave her if you don't go back [TS]

  you see it's just like a little preserve [TS]

  of where all the original humans live [TS]

  and then there's the big wide the big [TS]

  bite world which I love the widescreen [TS]

  aspect of it to where they're a bunch of [TS]

  different alien races and there and then [TS]

  they're they're sort of different human [TS]

  groups as well and there's like search [TS]

  for territory and and they try to take [TS]

  planets and take them back so there's [TS]

  like the politics that's going on and [TS]

  there's the the especially the CIA kind [TS]

  of military intelligence that's going on [TS]

  so it's not just the the grunts and in [TS]

  fact the character kind of works its way [TS]

  up and gets a to peek inside the though [TS]

  the way the war machine works so so he's [TS]

  not just an infantry guy all right and [TS]

  as we as we progress you know as we [TS]

  follow them throughout the series he [TS]

  gets two more increasingly important [TS]

  roles to the point where was the third [TS]

  book that he become sort of the the [TS]

  leader of this colony or one of the [TS]

  major people like sort of founding a new [TS]

  colony which is kind of any i mean i [TS]

  think that the book has a really [TS]

  interesting plot in that [TS]

  there is this whole again like you're [TS]

  talking about the land grab type thing [TS]

  and then the earth takes it to sort of [TS]

  the next logical step in some ways to [TS]

  how are they going to found a colony [TS]

  that is not in danger of being attacked [TS]

  and and occupied by these other aliens [TS]

  and that is you know it's basically [TS]

  let's let's not tell anybody where [TS]

  they're going like let's convince the [TS]

  overall going one place and then send [TS]

  them someplace totally else so that they [TS]

  can even get home [TS]

  yeah thatthat's a there there's there's [TS]

  so much going on then in the last colony [TS]

  the third book the second book the ghost [TS]

  brigades scott i know i read it and i [TS]

  look at the description of its kind of [TS]

  edible though and I don't remember it's [TS]

  set in the same world but really there [TS]

  are only a couple characters it you know [TS]

  in in common variant well there's the [TS]

  main ki mean the main the main virtue of [TS]

  it is that one of the characters that [TS]

  comes out of it becomes very important [TS]

  in the third book and in fact the fourth [TS]

  book is told from her perspective [TS]

  mmm do I certainly have read the fourth [TS]

  book and i don't think i've read the [TS]

  third book said I can't tell if I read [TS]

  the second [TS]

  oh yeah well the fourth in the third [TS]

  books tell the same story from two [TS]

  different points of view [TS]

  yeah so the funny thing about this is [TS]

  that Zoe's tail the fourth book which is [TS]

  interesting because it's almost like a [TS]

  young adult retelling of the third book [TS]

  from the daughters perspective that's [TS]

  the first one of these that i read [TS]

  because it was nominated for a hugo and [TS]

  it was in the hugo packet and and I [TS]

  really liked it to the point where i [TS]

  went back and read the other three and [TS]

  the funny thing about reading in that [TS]

  way is it didn't spoil basically [TS]

  anything for me [TS]

  he manages to pull off the fact that i [TS]

  think the third and the fourth book [TS]

  despite telling essentially the same [TS]

  story are still engrossing even when you [TS]

  think you sort of know what's going to [TS]

  happen [TS]

  I because it if there's more to it than [TS]

  just the plot being the interesting [TS]

  points in the character development or [TS]

  interesting seeing these things and [TS]

  there are some fairly important things [TS]

  that you see in that fourth book that [TS]

  you don't get to see their sort of all [TS]

  screen in the third book so so in the [TS]

  second book what happens is that there's [TS]

  this this this trader and the memories [TS]

  are implanted and all the stuff and in [TS]

  the end what you [TS]

  get a Zoe who gets adopted by by the old [TS]

  man from the first book and by jane who [TS]

  is the little it's ok another [TS]

  complication [TS]

  she is it's a clone of his wife because [TS]

  you get you to grow your clone but while [TS]

  the cones were cool growing his wife [TS]

  died right she signed up to be in the [TS]

  military as well but she died before [TS]

  they left Earth basically and so they [TS]

  still had a clone body for her but they [TS]

  have no brain no mind to go into it and [TS]

  so they just sort of they have like an [TS]

  artificial like intelligence generator I [TS]

  guess that but so that they put [TS]

  basically they grow a brain from like [TS]

  you know she's basically said it starts [TS]

  out with her being more I mean they can [TS]

  basically take a brain and let it [TS]

  develop inside this body right its own [TS]

  personality so it's sort of her but sort [TS]

  of not [TS]

  yeah it's really creepy it it is it is [TS]

  all torino 10 now will end but shes [TS]

  photos dead so it's not dead but she [TS]

  sort of thinks like his dad why are [TS]

  heroes so because she's got the brain [TS]

  but it's not his dead wife because she [TS]

  doesn't have the memories and so it's [TS]

  yeah it's it's a really interesting [TS]

  thing and that that's the fascinating [TS]

  thing about the last colony which I read [TS]

  after reading is always tell which tells [TS]

  us that story from the daughters [TS]

  perspective the adopted daughters [TS]

  perspective but it's funny because [TS]

  you've got these two characters that are [TS]

  so different from how they are earlier [TS]

  on [TS]

  as it turns out when they're when there [TS]

  are soldiers and now they're kind of [TS]

  retired and trying to run this colony [TS]

  and so you got wacky characters that [TS]

  they're trying to keep you know in line [TS]

  and then all of a sudden there's a [TS]

  essentially a galactic incident and [TS]

  they're going to all die unless state [TS]

  they uh but it turns out what that the [TS]

  daughter is being protected by this [TS]

  alien race that her father created [TS]

  writer or made sentient yes and so [TS]

  made by anybody who hasn't read these [TS]

  books is going to be like whoa what the [TS]

  hell are you talking that that's exactly [TS]

  what I'm seeking it also kind of it also [TS]

  kinda follows that mean thatthat's [TS]

  thatthat's the sort of fascinating thing [TS]

  about is there are these wacky aliens [TS]

  and and there are essentially this [TS]

  little this little girl has these two [TS]

  kind of like strange i don't even know [TS]

  how to describe them they're like [TS]

  puffball alien X there aren't they [TS]

  really like badass they're like really [TS]

  big or something to yeah they're [TS]

  dangerous but there but they just follow [TS]

  her around and videotape everything she [TS]

  does because she's a hero or she says [TS]

  she's a God basically because her father [TS]

  created these these aliens or gave them [TS]

  came from consciousness [TS]

  yeah and so so you know she goes off in [TS]

  a spaceship and that story is told him [TS]

  up in the fourth book yeah that's it and [TS]

  that's a pretty major point right like [TS]

  so you know you sort of see her [TS]

  disappear off the stage in book 3 and [TS]

  then she shows up as almost sort of like [TS]

  a deus ex machina out at the end but [TS]

  then that whole segment is fleshed out [TS]

  in the fourth book and I think that is [TS]

  really interesting because the it makes [TS]

  sense that would say it's not entirely a [TS]

  deus ex machina it's just the story is [TS]

  told elsewhere [TS]

  meanwhile i have to say that you know [TS]

  without getting too damned these details [TS]

  it's fun you know the spaceship and [TS]

  space battles are fun the the kind of [TS]

  alien diplomacy is hilarious and I [TS]

  believe in is the last colony or is it [TS]

  so easy tale where there's a duel to the [TS]

  death between various ate like I [TS]

  humanely and various aliens and they do [TS]

  this thing where diplomacy fails and [TS]

  they're like let's duel and and then you [TS]

  have to kill a certain number of aliens [TS]

  and then you win and they do and they [TS]

  win and it's just hilarious that mean [TS]

  it's written seriously but at the same [TS]

  time it's just such a great ride it's [TS]

  like sure why not a duel to the death [TS]

  with aliens [TS]

  let's do that it it's very entertaining [TS]

  in a way that I mean I feel like so many [TS]

  times their people think like a book can [TS]

  either be entertaining or like [TS]

  intellectually stimulating like make you [TS]

  think and I I feel like he does a pretty [TS]

  good job of measuring those two so that [TS]

  it's not totally cerebral and making you [TS]

  like Mass this is this is full of very [TS]

  deep [TS]

  deep thoughts I must I must meditate on [TS]

  these deep thoughts but I mean you know [TS]

  there's there are interesting ideas [TS]

  woven within a story that is engaging [TS]

  and kind of a page-turner and that's [TS]

  that's a hard combination to pull off [TS]

  Scott you should read them apparently I [TS]

  have no idea why I guess I was not that [TS]

  impressed with a old man's war and I [TS]

  didn't feel I should read the rest i [TS]

  know it's not in its 19th century New [TS]

  York there's no detective just tell you [TS]

  so I you know it'sit's old man's war is [TS]

  a lot of fun but i think is funny the [TS]

  other books are very different [TS]

  I think that my phone with old man's war [TS]

  is that i liked the forever war so much [TS]

  oh yeah that can have you read Forever [TS]

  War i'm familiar with it but I've never [TS]

  read it you know how i will how can you [TS]

  be familiar with a pen haha oh I mean [TS]

  I've seen it [TS]

  he's aware of its existence it is it was [TS]

  published it was published [TS]

  well i mean i know people often talk [TS]

  about sort of a diametrically opposed [TS]

  did they put in contrast to the like a [TS]

  starship troopers type thing I hear [TS]

  those are sort of the two dipoles of the [TS]

  whole you know the 67th Easwar that's [TS]

  Rob the internship troopers like what [TS]

  skill Elliot's and the forwards like war [TS]

  is horrible [TS]

  why it's a waste of time yeah I think [TS]

  that was that the reason i didn't read [TS]

  it was over yep agree board are done [TS]

  don't know seriously now forever war [TS]

  forever works great i read it maybe 10 [TS]

  years ago and one of the things about it [TS]

  that's amazing is that to me it feels [TS]

  modern even now is written in 1974 and [TS]

  it still feels modern because the plot I [TS]

  mean it's crazy it's it's like there's [TS]

  time dilation so they have every jump [TS]

  they do you know hundreds of years pass [TS]

  or dozens of years pass and and so that [TS]

  the the reason why they're fighting [TS]

  keeps changing and kind of goes on [TS]

  forever and the it's a it's amazing it's [TS]

  it's it really is an amazing book Scott [TS]

  agreed to disagree i totally great seeds [TS]

  it's a fantastic book and then you [TS]

  should you should totally read it it is [TS]

  it is perhaps [TS]

  not uplifting but it is i think it's [TS]

  important work and possibly one of the [TS]

  most important science fiction books of [TS]

  ever [TS]

  yeah I think you told me while I'm [TS]

  reading it right now I'm not reading [TS]

  right now but i will read it I won't end [TS]

  up in my list of things to read [TS]

  yeah it's it's it's really good and it's [TS]

  not you know it's not attract right it's [TS]

  not a yo man war is regulars which is [TS]

  sucky and we shouldn't fight band we [TS]

  should all love each other it's it's um [TS]

  nobody it's got the it's got the the [TS]

  action of the war but it's also got the [TS]

  impact on the soldiers because of the [TS]

  science fictional kind of affects the [TS]

  time dilation and light speed and and [TS]

  and so society changes and so and that's [TS]

  the Vietnam parallel is that they come [TS]

  back the every time they come back into [TS]

  a world that day don't belong in right [TS]

  now but it actually sent out again to [TS]

  fight for it and then they come back and [TS]

  again what they fought for is changed [TS]

  yeah it's it's fascinating but on a [TS]

  science-fiction level it's really [TS]

  interesting to say well you know what [TS]

  would happen if you got you return home [TS]

  and it was 200 years later and [TS]

  everything was different you know that [TS]

  would be a really interesting thing and [TS]

  the enemy of the veterans that when they [TS]

  reenter society I mean they are people [TS]

  at a time and there and it's very hard [TS]

  for them to to adapt like I as i recall [TS]

  don't when they return home isn't isn't [TS]

  hasn't homosexuality replaced [TS]

  heterosexuality is the dominant form of [TS]

  sexuality because they want to reduce [TS]

  population growth and so exactly so that [TS]

  they become horribly like disaffected [TS]

  and yet there are also encouraged to [TS]

  have this like is there like surgery [TS]

  that they're inverses your sexual [TS]

  orientation and they're feeling through [TS]

  its wildlife it is it is really a [TS]

  mind-blowing kind of book it's it's a [TS]

  but it's good it's not definitely not [TS]

  preaching so yeah I totally recommend [TS]

  the forever war so it has similar themes [TS]

  to to the ultimate old man's war [TS]

  yeah an old man's what I think is a fine [TS]

  book in and of itself but when you [TS]

  compare it to [TS]

  I don't think he can pick compared to [TS]

  the forever war as as a model not just [TS]

  53 and I it doesn't seem like it [TS]

  inspires necessarily to that I don't [TS]

  think it's nice i mean i think that's [TS]

  what you know at least that's what I [TS]

  enjoy about to a certain extent is that [TS]

  it is it seems to be comfortable with [TS]

  its place which is to say you know it's [TS]

  a good story and not to say there are [TS]

  larger messages that you can take away [TS]

  from it but again contextually also it's [TS]

  written in a very different era from [TS]

  something like the forever war which you [TS]

  know clearly has all these you know tuck [TS]

  close ties to the experience in Vietnam [TS]

  whereas you know the old man's work [TS]

  I know it was written in a you know [TS]

  presumably a wartime environment it's [TS]

  not the same war and it i don't think it [TS]

  necessarily tries to make me IE maybe [TS]

  it's just a book of its time in a [TS]

  different way [TS]

  well I like about elements wars that he [TS]

  doesn't flinch away from killing lots of [TS]

  characters that that [TS]

  yeah despite being an entertaining an [TS]

  entertaining story it's not without its [TS]

  darker moments and without its you know [TS]

  sadness and other emotions as well it's [TS]

  just that it's well there's that core [TS]

  group of recruits that just keep [TS]

  dwindling away the morning if I i feel [TS]

  that a lot of its to the purpose of [TS]

  telling the story and not necessarily to [TS]

  the purpose of telling a message if that [TS]

  difference can be made ya know it [TS]

  centered it's an entertainment more than [TS]

  anything else and it is very [TS]

  entertaining and i am a i'm a sucker for [TS]

  the the widescreen you know different [TS]

  star systems and and and in this case [TS]

  alien races with strange cultures that [TS]

  you know a lot of times just a proxy for [TS]

  our own like sort of culture clashes [TS]

  that we have and yet you know on earth [TS]

  but it's just fun to see all that mixed [TS]

  up and and told and sort of unashamedly [TS]

  just saying yes i'm going to write up [TS]

  you know different star system space [TS]

  opera kind of setting for this novel and [TS]

  and i love that stuff [TS]

  I think honestly that i enjoy reading [TS]

  his blog more than [TS]

  I do his books also let's talk about [TS]

  that he hasn't he has a blog that he [TS]

  updates regularly but he should be [TS]

  reading his books Georgia are really [TS]

  should show him a thing or two about now [TS]

  it's called whatever do you say i read [TS]

  occasionally do you guys read it [TS]

  regularly i read it when it's often when [TS]

  it's linked to I've read a few things [TS]

  written on there but I don't follow it [TS]

  regularly [TS]

  I i have subscribed to it so I read [TS]

  whenever he post something and I just do [TS]

  it [TS]

  he's a good i mean he is a good writer [TS]

  and he any rugby blogs regularly which I [TS]

  I imagine it's quite hard for somebody [TS]

  who's supposed to be actually you know [TS]

  all right he's been it's a long-running [TS]

  blog right i think it predates is is [TS]

  published fiction it in fact I think [TS]

  that's not who he became a published [TS]

  author because he wrote whatever the [TS]

  agent to the stars and then he posted it [TS]

  on his blog and the rest as they say is [TS]

  a cleaning it is is a series of novels [TS]

  exactly I anything more to say about [TS]

  John Scalzi anything you want to bring [TS]

  up i mean i wrote I wrote him a letter [TS]

  once who did you know is that actually [TS]

  argue with him like there is material [TS]

  are lighter of am in fact he didn't [TS]

  write back means little said about not [TS]

  judging him he's a busy man [TS]

  he wrote a very interesting blog post [TS]

  one of the ones i did read about [TS]

  addressing sort of the idea why so many [TS]

  of the new quote unquote writers in [TS]

  science fiction were you know people in [TS]

  their thirties as opposed to sort of [TS]

  young talent in their twenties and i [TS]

  think most of it was talking about look [TS]

  because when you're in your twenties [TS]

  unless you know one of those people [TS]

  who's like genius whatever you're [TS]

  writing a lot of crap and sort of [TS]

  learning and getting that out of your [TS]

  system and so you see these first quote [TS]

  unquote novels from new writers in when [TS]

  they're in their thirties because [TS]

  they've you know been working on this [TS]

  stuff all along and finally produce [TS]

  something that's worth actually [TS]

  publishing and i was very good piece it [TS]

  would be made a lot of sense i mean it [TS]

  also echoes you know my own experience [TS]

  which have heard a lot of crappy novels [TS]

  in my twenties and now that I feel like [TS]

  I'm in my thirties I've I'm still [TS]

  writing [TS]

  grabbing us but they're getting less [TS]

  crappy job and so I said I wrote him an [TS]

  email about that just saying I I really [TS]

  was interested in his this piece and his [TS]

  theory there and never heard back but [TS]

  but you know that's alright and how they [TS]

  get some ice to follow on twitter [TS]

  oh I don't follow me on Twitter but i [TS]

  think that his blog is very interesting [TS]

  to someone who is interested in writing [TS]

  and the business of writing in public [TS]

  and publishing because that's here i [TS]

  doubt about that and his thoughts about [TS]

  you know ebooks and self-publishing and [TS]

  all that kind of stuff and that stuff [TS]

  that i'm very interested in so i think [TS]

  it a great one [TS]

  I don't know if you saw Scott the couple [TS]

  weeks ago he did one about where his [TS]

  income comes from [TS]

  yes that was really interesting he has [TS]

  this whole pie is all these pie chart [TS]

  showing like here's this is the [TS]

  percentage of my income that came from [TS]

  the royalties from the novel's selling [TS]

  the options for the movie you know I was [TS]

  accusing consultant on stargate universe [TS]

  you know like and he chose these guys [TS]

  i'll divide up as a pie is like so my [TS]

  point being you know if you're a writer [TS]

  you need to diversify because some of [TS]

  these streams could just go away and you [TS]

  don't know you know when that's gonna [TS]

  happen and if you want to you know make [TS]

  a living [TS]

  you need to be able to make sure that [TS]

  even if that chunk of your revenue drops [TS]

  off you're still making enough money [TS]

  from other projects that you can still [TS]

  you know get by which was I mean which [TS]

  is totally true and i think it's it's a [TS]

  really interesting to see someone who is [TS]

  a successful very well you know [TS]

  well-known popular author talking about [TS]

  you know these it's not just write a [TS]

  write a book and then you make a [TS]

  gazillion dollars and you're set for [TS]

  life [TS]

  so where does he make his money i think [TS]

  a lot of a decent chunk of it in terms [TS]

  of like the recurring revenue comes from [TS]

  things like royalties but like you said [TS]

  for example like I think it's like the [TS]

  last year his biggest chunk came from [TS]

  this movie option for old man's war and [TS]

  he said well yeah that's great you know [TS]

  I made a lot of money from it last year [TS]

  but that's not something that's going to [TS]

  get repeated year after year so I can't [TS]

  necessarily count on that next year so I [TS]

  have to make sure that i'm still doing [TS]

  other things so easy he writes a column [TS]

  for he was calm for a film site i think [TS]

  user it's MC it might be [TS] yeah so I think he's [TS]

  bounced around the places you did that [TS]

  consulting gig for stargate universe [TS]

  thing got cancelled [TS]

  he's got he says he said I think he has [TS]

  a consulting gig for some other company [TS]

  that he won't talk about i mean like a [TS]

  bunch of different like little projects [TS]

  all on the side but i think the bulk of [TS]

  it still comes from from the books now [TS]

  see here sixty-three percent from books [TS]

  23% from her from film option right [TS]

  that's is the old man's war film option [TS]

  six percent from consulting on stargate [TS]

  universe and for four-point-seven [TS]

  percent from his web column nice [TS]

  yes I mean like I you know and Scott [TS]

  says like that's really interesting for [TS]

  the business of someone who you know [TS]

  people working as writers are interested [TS]

  in working as a professional writer [TS]

  it's really illuminating to see ya it's [TS]

  not necessarily as simple or [TS]

  straightforward as you might think [TS]

  that's true because my books are not [TS]

  making me even like three percent so I'm [TS]

  doing something horribly wrong and [TS]

  neither am i are making 0% Oh what might [TS]

  have been published him [TS]

  Oh take that hoe ? shyness reality [TS]

  nobody cares about this looks that's [TS]

  really what i hear lots of people care [TS]

  about wordpress to present my wife is [TS]

  writing a cookbook which is exciting for [TS]

  her and in for me you know but and so [TS]

  whenever anyone anyone ever hears that [TS]

  they're all very excited and I'm like [TS]

  you know I've written like 45 police and [TS]

  nobody cares but you keep doing it at [TS]

  manhattan on the head and I walk out the [TS]

  room crying that's that's what gets me [TS]

  you your persevere someday full credit [TS]

  to you Scott because i co-wrote over [TS]

  half of one book in like nineteen [TS]

  ninety-five I think and it was it was a [TS]

  huge amount of work to write a technical [TS]

  book and you know I got half of an [TS]

  advanced for it and i calculated out [TS]

  later that I i would have if I'd taken [TS]

  the money or if i take of a time that I [TS]

  spent I don't think I want to hear the [TS]

  rest of this networking that breast and [TS]

  worked at minimum wage i would have made [TS]

  twice as much money just remember i [TS]

  remember you telling me you [TS]

  you sent around an email once of it and [TS]

  are in our day jobs saying oh yeah these [TS]

  people are looking for somebody to work [TS]

  you know helped write this book [TS]

  technical edition of this book and I [TS]

  think I ask you about it you're like you [TS]

  know it's probably not worth route just [TS]

  in terms of like how much it takes to [TS]

  how much time it takes and how much you [TS]

  get out of it yeah i think what i said [TS]

  is it you kind of scared me all my stock [TS]

  answer is if you if you wanna have [TS]

  experience of doing a book and be able [TS]

  to say that your name is on a published [TS]

  book do it if i doing it I not not on [TS]

  that but if you're doing it for the [TS]

  money [TS]

  don't do it good or don't do it for the [TS]

  body no you notice I haven't given up my [TS]

  day job to write novels yet thank [TS]

  goodness for that [TS]

  that's why i write those letters to [TS]

  publisher saying damned organism that is [TS]

  there no writer don't publish know that [TS]

  would be great if I if I ever get [TS]

  something published in the first thing [TS]

  I'm going to do is tell my agent hey I [TS]

  know a guy who has books you should look [TS]

  at what we got we got it we gotta make [TS]

  this happen [TS]

  his name is Scott McNulty see what he [TS]

  did there [TS]

  well I served at the novelization of [TS]

  WordPerfect celebrate you gotta run home [TS]

  run [TS]

  hey so uh hey what are you reading [TS]

  i thought i would ask the musical [TS]

  question what are you reading you guys [TS]

  reading anything interesting this is [TS]

  book club [TS]

  have you stopped reading I am I am [TS]

  rereading classic book just because I [TS]

  happened i bought it on Mike on the [TS]

  kindle app for my iPad because i found a [TS]

  copy of it for like a dollar and are so [TS]

  excited I it's the second book in a [TS]

  mystery series written in the nineteen [TS]

  thirties got the way and it set and said [TS]

  and certainly in in England Dorothy [TS]

  stairs who is a great classic mystery [TS]

  writer who writes about the detective [TS]

  named Lord Peter Wimsey one of the one [TS]

  of the inspirations actually four miles [TS]

  for clothes again but a book that I read [TS]

  or a series that i read growing up [TS]

  because my mother is a huge mystery fan [TS]

  like that's her she only reads mysteries [TS]

  will not only but she mostly read [TS]

  mysteries and so I grew up reading a lot [TS]

  of a [TS]

  classic you know Agatha Christie or the [TS]

  conan doyle Dorothy stairs etc and so [TS]

  I'm rereading a couple of books because [TS]

  it's been many years since i read them [TS]

  and I'm finding them delightfully [TS]

  entertaining but part of that's just [TS]

  sort of in a holding pattern because I [TS]

  there are several books coming out that [TS]

  i'm looking forward to reading including [TS]

  among them [TS]

  fuzzy nation I don't pick up even though [TS]

  i don't think i'll be reading [TS]

  presentation have no interest in [TS]

  presentation but it's got up protagonist [TS]

  with a pipe who finds fuzzy aliens [TS]

  oh I'm sold hmm maybe not [TS]

  what are you reading scott i'm reading [TS]

  currently a the river river of God's by [TS]

  ian MacDonald who is his most recent [TS]

  book a dozen fish house was is nominated [TS]

  for Hugo or something [TS]

  yes yes very good by the way if you [TS]

  haven't read it at least 200 pages in [TS]

  its good could go all horribly wrong and [TS]

  speaking of miles force however the head [TS]

  girls marcos again because again there [TS]

  you go i finished all of those so I i [TS]

  finished crying burn the lat 0 in the [TS]

  series so far last night in fact finish [TS]

  quickly that is not as my heartbreak [TS]

  heartbreaking any so so you know it's [TS]

  coming but it's your kind of friend you [TS]

  know it's coming and I mean I knew and I [TS]

  knew what the line was going to be read [TS]

  well because they refer to it early he [TS]

  he refers to it an earlier book [TS]

  yes someday some poor guys gonna come up [TS]

  to me and say account for cosine work [TS]

  goes again but it's still a brother I I [TS]

  teared up a little bell getting that [TS]

  just because I you know and ended then [TS]

  the leper blogs after that as well I [TS]

  mean I thought and I i think it's very [TS]

  interesting to see i want i really want [TS]

  to see where we're this good this new [TS]

  chapter of his life leads in but we'll [TS]

  have to wait a little while for that [TS]

  oh I think that high jinks was soup is [TS]

  probably so she wrote like a whole [TS]

  fantasy series in between the latter [TS]

  read I read all of it [TS]

  yes it's ok so it wouldn't be I wouldn't [TS]

  be at the top of my list but yeah it's [TS]

  just funny that so she really seemed [TS]

  like she was really cranking on the [TS]

  proposed again stuff in the nineties and [TS]

  and then stepped away [TS]

  after diplomatic immunity and she didn't [TS]

  write another book for eight years [TS]

  yeah diplomatic immunity came out when I [TS]

  was first reading my way through the [TS]

  series which was in college I came out [TS]

  what 2003 and yeah i just finished like [TS]

  I sort of caught up as that came out and [TS]

  then I had to wait many many years for [TS]

  the next one to come out [TS]

  yeah and now and now that's so I don't [TS]

  know if she's just lost some enthusiasm [TS]

  for what I think she you know and I've [TS]

  heard her talk about it and I think part [TS]

  of it is you know miles getting older [TS]

  he's you know he's a character wages [TS]

  realistically and I think part of it is [TS]

  she's told a lot of the stories that she [TS]

  wanted to tell and she just you know she [TS]

  has no need to feel compelled to write [TS]

  stories of the moment unless she comes [TS]

  up with something she really wants to [TS]

  write about order know that she needs [TS]

  when I well yeah she writes funny others [TS]

  that she ready for book you know sort of [TS]

  fantasy series he wrote a whole nother [TS]

  separate fantasy series and i know that [TS]

  the 1i saw her speak last fall she [TS]

  previewed the first chapter of a book [TS]

  that she's writing about Ivan the miles [TS]

  cousin that was so great [TS]

  yeah which and I think she know she's [TS]

  like oh I've got a story I want to tell [TS]

  that you know in which Ivan would be the [TS]

  protagonist and I think that's great i [TS]

  would like I'm looking forward to read [TS]

  that I hoping that she finishes it and [TS]

  it gets published because it sounded it [TS]

  was very entertaining the bit that I [TS]

  heard so yeah I mean I guess that's just [TS]

  kind of the way it goes i will say [TS]

  instantly another book that look forward [TS]

  to a former book club topic China [TS]

  Mieville has another book coming out [TS]

  called embassy town which as I [TS]

  understand it is sort of his take on the [TS]

  space opera so that I am extremely [TS]

  interested in reading as well I think [TS]

  that comes out in a couple weeks and you [TS]

  can you can read the first 50 pages on [TS]

  tours website it delivers becomes so [TS]

  lots of stuff coming out soon we can [TS]

  talk [TS]

  wow there is a lot of stuff coming out [TS]

  so it's not george RR martin with his [TS]

  1600 page that did is that what I read [TS]

  today that it's going to be like sixteen [TS]

  hundred pages town like it's going to be [TS]

  very very long [TS]

  what's up red [TS]

  on Twitter told us it's what it's like [TS]

  they would like to ask out now Carol [TS]

  understand why it took him so long as [TS]

  that it's actually as long as five books [TS]

  and part of me wants to say well yeah [TS]

  that's because he didn't stop at one [TS]

  point that you know what that's a pretty [TS]

  good ending [TS]

  maybe i can get the next one out like [TS]

  three years stretch the nice thing [TS]

  actually I liked about about reading [TS]

  crab earnest if she never writes another [TS]

  miles book i'll be sad but but but [TS]

  there's a good end it is it's every most [TS]

  of its wrapped up books all have endings [TS]

  right exactly i was going to say that's [TS]

  the problem miles Syrah although i get [TS]

  flack i did enjoy it obviously because i [TS]

  read so all of them and they're also [TS]

  their self-contained and they build on [TS]

  each other and that's very but if you [TS]

  just pick up one you'll still be [TS]

  satisfied because it's a good story if [TS]

  you pick up one of George RR Martin's [TS]

  books in the European you know why you [TS]

  know exactly I don't know [TS]

  don't even try yeah that's the challenge [TS]

  of writing series i feel like it's is [TS]

  you know how do you make I i mean i like [TS]

  that sort of that plot of you know the [TS]

  idea of being like this is the [TS]

  continuing Adventures of so and so and [TS]

  so you can read an adventure and still [TS]

  sort of have an idea what's going on [TS]

  if you read other adventures of these [TS]

  characters you will know more you will [TS]

  get a little more out of it but you [TS]

  won't be entirely lost if you have never [TS]

  read anything else whereas these long [TS]

  sort of sagas that that jumped from you [TS]

  know that are thousands of thousands of [TS]

  pages long if you haven't read all the [TS]

  way from beginning your your kind of a [TS]

  kind of a creek i will give george RR [TS]

  martin incredible he does not fall for [TS]

  the the trap of trying to recap [TS]

  everything that's happened previously [TS]

  just goes right into that will be [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  I don't need the recap would be like [TS]

  half the length yeah its first 800 pages [TS]

  of the book and just be like a really [TS]

  boring Lee written revision the first [TS]

  and then they did this and any what [TS]

  doesn't kill this night this night did [TS]

  this and this guy did previously on a [TS]

  game of thrones know if there is too [TS]

  much [TS]

  let me sum up there are dragons and [TS]

  somewhere White Walkers the others [TS]

  that's all you need to know it's yes [TS]

  very good versus evil [TS]

  here we go no here's how you do it go [TS]

  back and read [TS]

  the first started there just they will [TS]

  you open it up it should be like us on [TS]

  alert goes off don't know [TS]

  don't buy this book almost you bought [TS]

  the other books by opening this book you [TS]

  agree to buy all previous books [TS]

  atmosphere that explains how he makes so [TS]

  much money it will apparently all of the [TS]

  other books are back on the New York [TS]

  Times bestseller list yeah he holds a [TS]

  picture of HBO lots of money and over [TS]

  fist yes he can pay that guy who [TS]

  researches all the characters for his [TS]

  novels know the crowd burn you know [TS]

  reading crowd burn was it was [TS]

  interesting because having she hadn't [TS]

  written a book in this universe and so [TS]

  long that I thought it was kind of funny [TS]

  that it clearly was something that was [TS]

  an idea like like we talked about in the [TS]

  mouse podcast ethan of athos which I [TS]

  didn't like I thought it was really bad [TS]

  but it was clearly about something right [TS]

  she was saying okay what are the [TS]

  ramifications of having the uterine [TS]

  replicator so that you don't actually [TS]

  need women to have babies and cry Auburn [TS]

  was very much like that in the sense not [TS]

  message that was bad because i liked it [TS]

  but it in the sense that it was about [TS]

  something which is what what is the one [TS]

  of the ramifications of the cryogenic [TS]

  system that she put in that saved my [TS]

  life we can freeze people and bring them [TS]

  back later and there's this planet where [TS]

  the voters are large leaf frozen corpse [TS]

  this and they've got voting rights and [TS]

  there's a-there cryo tombs and and i [TS]

  love the the economic hijinks that I [TS]

  don't ruin it for everybody but i think [TS]

  the whole idea of what happens is very [TS]

  yeah it's one of the ways it's kind of [TS]

  like there's a nefarious plot right but [TS]

  yeah it's fascinating in the way that [TS]

  it's executed [TS]

  yeah and in the end you know it all [TS]

  hangs on the coincidence that this kid [TS]

  finds miles when he's stumbling around [TS]

  in the street and the kid happens to be [TS]

  the mother or the the son of the his [TS]

  mother is like the key pivotal figure in [TS]

  this conspiracy [TS]

  so there's some there's some you know I [TS]

  i always say anything really [TS]

  boy that was lucky that that kid fella [TS]

  minus miles attractive [TS]

  thing but that's just a little as 14 lat [TS]

  coincidence right [TS]

  yeah but after that I mean it's there's [TS]

  like a whole like cryogenic lab that set [TS]

  up an abandoned building and I mean it's [TS]

  wacky it's but it was it was a lot of [TS]

  fun and you could tell that she enjoyed [TS]

  having as well done together you know [TS]

  yeah and you get to see some of the [TS]

  other characters pop in mark pops in for [TS]

  a little while [TS]

  yeah yeah there's some you know i love [TS]

  the character the character who i [TS]

  thought i would really dislike the guy [TS]

  who's the the ambassador [TS]

  oh he turned out to be very good future [TS]

  doesn't look very pretty cool actually [TS]

  although i did that the the little [TS]

  ending where he falls in love with the [TS]

  what's-her-name I saw that coming [TS]

  yes I was a little it was a little [TS]

  telling but still I I like that he ended [TS]

  that you know you think he's going to be [TS]

  one of those bureaucratic guys who miles [TS]

  so often encounters he's just going to [TS]

  be a pain in the ass and gets forward [TS]

  it's right what really turns out to be [TS]

  kind of a useful sympathetic character [TS]

  they expected to be the obstructionist [TS]

  bureaucrat be or as they say in the [TS]

  simpsons it means it gets results you [TS]

  stupid chief right you expect him to be [TS]

  that guy right [TS]

  it's like he stops the cop from the cop [TS]

  on the edge there are buildings by the [TS]

  loose cannon and that's right hand in [TS]

  your badge and gun my desk but and then [TS]

  you get you get some nice time with the [TS]

  it's a nice time with ronak who I grown [TS]

  to really really like right as a series [TS]

  has gone on and a couple nights you can [TS]

  I mean I enjoyed especially because she [TS]

  takes the time to tell the story from [TS]

  what's-his-name the kids point of view [TS]

  option is jen yeah you get you get an [TS]

  interesting totally different [TS]

  perspective right on miles is a special [TS]

  way [TS]

  exactly exactly mr. Solomon just a [TS]

  little fellow he's always like that what [TS]

  I have an idea about a child as a nice [TS]

  little digression there i have to get [TS]

  insurance order I I liked it a lot [TS]

  better than I liked diplomatic immunity [TS]

  which is one of my least favorite books [TS]

  in this area actually is that the one [TS]

  with the wacky shenanigans with the [TS]

  butter but listen no no that is that [TS]

  civil campaign i love so okay greats [TS]

  what's diplomatic immunity diplomatic [TS]

  immunity is the one before it where it's [TS]

  the air on the space station [TS]

  and there's qualities is that the it was [TS]

  an attempt to do like sort of a murder [TS]

  mystery but it also it just didn't it [TS]

  was so divorced from everything that was [TS]

  kind of interesting there were so few [TS]

  characters I felt like that the stove [TS]

  you the familiar characters in it in [TS]

  some ways that it felt really like alien [TS]

  oh and they end up in there there's a [TS]

  showdown in the spaceship where yeah [TS]

  yeah it was not my favorite I mean it [TS]

  has its moments ago we have am I was [TS]

  yeah well I mean that was Stephen only [TS]

  loosely even a mile yeah now it's not i [TS]

  enjoyed even eventos I thought was very [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  alright showdown go fight the jet that's [TS]

  why I'm go [TS]

  that's my only argument all right take [TS]

  that no you didnt Scott haha dough you [TS]

  hated it smell wins again [TS]

  ah you should you should tell us what [TS]

  you've been reading Jason yes well I [TS]

  finish briber which again starting with [TS]

  that I our way we mentioned that earlier [TS]

  i believe if i recall correctly and i am [TS]

  reading a book called the hidden reality [TS]

  where is it it is all around us the [TS]

  closet check the clock that it's by [TS]

  brian greene who is a fast and it's [TS]

  elegant science books that i like and he [TS]

  wrote the elegant universe which is as [TS]

  confused people who want to know about [TS]

  string theory in much the same way if [TS]

  it's Stephen Hawking's book a brief [TS]

  history of time confuse people who [TS]

  wanted to know about relativity I like I [TS]

  loved that book actually and and this is [TS]

  his third I think of these popular [TS]

  science books and it's about parallel [TS]

  universes and how they could actually be [TS]

  scientifically possible and it's good [TS]

  it's good it's not topical it's hard [TS]

  it's hard rowing in a sense that you [TS]

  know it's physics and you've got a you [TS]

  can't exactly be listening to a baseball [TS]

  game while you're reading it as somebody [TS]

  who tried this York it can't be done [TS]

  because then he started to drop [TS]

  something on you about well if they're [TS]

  if it's an infinitely expanding universe [TS]

  that means there's an infinite expanse [TS]

  in the universe which means there's an [TS]

  infinite number of galaxies and if [TS]

  that's true and it's truly infinite then [TS]

  there's another planet somewhere out [TS]

  there in the universe that's exactly [TS]

  like [TS]

  hours did you know there is in fact an [TS]

  infinite number of them and it's like [TS]

  what I have to turn off the baseball [TS]

  game [TS]

  oh but it's good stuff it's it's really [TS]

  interesting he's very good at at [TS]

  bringing these but mind-blowing things [TS]

  that are happening and in modern physics [TS]

  and trying to explain it it with you [TS]

  know some analogies and try to get you [TS]

  understand what an 11 dimensional string [TS]

  theory based space-time would would be [TS]

  like which is really hard but he does a [TS]

  pretty good job so i recommend the Brian [TS]

  Greene you know his series start with [TS]

  the elegant universe which is excellent [TS]

  about string theory if it has been a the [TS]

  Pluto files by neil degrasse tyson i [TS]

  haven't although I I should because i [TS]

  read i think i spent on an earlier [TS]

  podcast i read Mike Brown's book how I [TS]

  killed Pluto and why it had it coming [TS]

  which is a lot of fun about being a [TS]

  working astronomer and finding these [TS]

  deep solar system objects but i haven't [TS]

  read the profiles [TS]

  it's a lo lot of fun because he gets a [TS]

  so Neil deGrasse Tyson runs the Hayden [TS]

  Planetarium planetarium exactly so here [TS]

  they they changed their their [TS]

  representation of the solar system [TS]

  material out and grouped with other [TS]

  other things because they group the [TS]

  planets in the ways that they were [TS]

  grouped with celestial objects and so [TS]

  then that kind of started this whole [TS]

  thing about him killing Pluto and the [TS]

  push the original saludo killer he was [TS]

  and your favorite pounds that he's [TS]

  getting like letters from four-year-olds [TS]

  written in crayon accusing him exactly [TS]

  why did you need dear dr. Tyson neil [TS]

  degrasse tyson why did you kill flew to [TS]

  open i am very sad sad face here exactly [TS]

  yeah I know he's a funny guy I actually [TS]

  follow him on twitter and he has he is [TS]

  very smart and funny guy and I've been [TS]

  to the Hayden Planetarium and I saw the [TS]

  diorama and afterward i thought you know [TS]

  i think that i think that's the place [TS]

  where they killed Pluto are there is [TS]

  there a little chalk outline exactly [TS]

  little circle at the underfloor but I [TS]

  did read the reason Empire has anyone [TS]

  heard of this by scott westerfeld who is [TS]

  now that you mention it on [TS]

  on the Twitter I i enjoyed it he scott [TS]

  westerfeld is probably best known for [TS]

  his young adult fiction now so he wrote [TS]

  Leviathan and behemoths and some other [TS]

  books that kids like to read [TS]

  I an adult center but the the reason [TS]

  Empire is his he explains on his website [TS]

  that he wanted to write the space opera [TS]

  that he wanted to read when he was a [TS]

  fourteen-year-old so he wrote the reason [TS]

  empire which is a fascinating book about [TS]

  this empire called the reason empire who [TS]

  they figure out how to cheat death by [TS]

  creating this viet that will give you [TS]

  eternal life but the problem is you have [TS]

  to be dead before it can be implanted [TS]

  into you so kind of resurrects you and [TS]

  then there are other races that have [TS]

  solved the problem of immortality in [TS]

  different ways and so it's an [TS]

  interesting book but you should read it [TS]

  there are two books that were actually [TS]

  written as one book so if you decide you [TS]

  want to read the reason Empire make sure [TS]

  you get the sequel because it is in fact [TS]

  one book and the first bar ends very [TS]

  abruptly ah that seems to get around now [TS]

  if you know we're going in it's not a [TS]

  problem right [TS]

  it's if you don't get going in yet why [TS]

  that's dangerous no residents to me that [TS]

  happened to me with the economy blog [TS]

  economy was here to back out [TS]

  I like mattered man she's running [TS]

  children pages they're not gonna get out [TS]

  ok guess that just stops right there [TS]

  this is basically this book stops like [TS]

  in the middle of the climactic battle [TS]

  and it's just stops sure that is awkward [TS]

  good rage rage [TS]

  alright i like talking about books I I [TS]

  wish I read more books it's hard to find [TS]

  time to read so many good books that are [TS]

  out there that I hear about on the [TS]

  podcast and some mediocre ones i don't [TS]

  have any time to reread things [TS]

  dan and I am [TS]

  yeah I don't know I I it's hard to get [TS]

  me into some new books [TS]

  I'm very now I I [TS]

  I'm very now I I [TS]

  you know like if there's an author the [TS]

  way that I follow and like anything come [TS]

  up with a new book i almost always read [TS]

  it but I'm very skittish sometimes about [TS]

  about reading new unproven mother's [TS]

  unproven to you or unproven in general [TS]

  just to me I'm i am very very [TS]

  self-centered ridic [TS]

  oh yeah self-centered self-centered [TS]

  self-interested egotistical arrogant [TS]

  yep that kinda stuff if so yeah that's [TS]

  me alright well thank you for joining me [TS]

  and talking about books it's so nice to [TS]

  feel as if I am surrounded by people who [TS]

  are literate my friend got a fortune and [TS]

  misfortune cookie the other night that [TS]

  said you are not illiterate while high [TS]

  praise that was quite a quite a [TS]

  backhanded couple in bed haha how many [TS]

  gold that is why Scott McNulty is here [TS]

  also because he read lots of books it's [TS]

  true [TS]

  alright well thanks to everybody for [TS]

  joining us on the podcast tonight thanks [TS]

  to my compatriots although we aren't [TS]

  green-skinned aliens fighting [TS]

  compatriots we are still looking for [TS]

  that some patriotic it's dan more'n [TS]

  thankyou thankyou results and Scott [TS]

  McMurphy thank you as always [TS]

  hello it's a pleasure as a until next [TS]

  time this is justin still for the [TS]

  uncomfortable signing off [TS]

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  I have never picked up one of those [TS]

  books they are not good but I read them [TS]

  all [TS]

  we all we all have those that way i just [TS]

  i just read the third book in this [TS]

  series called them seeing that damn [TS]

  while you were talking I was thinking [TS]

  the way you set that up with saying [TS]

  there are some books that i read that i [TS]

  don't that aren't very good and i just [TS]

  read a trilogy and I thought what would [TS]

  be that would trilogy with that be and I [TS]

  know what I came up with his trilogy [TS]

  called the garbage chronicles which is [TS]

  about a group of of garbage reclamation [TS]

  workers and I imagine the first book is [TS]

  probably called something like like [TS]

  Johnny refuse and the aluminum cans i [TS]

  was thinking I was thinking one man's [TS]

  trash that that's the second bottle to [TS]

  and the foot and the third book is just [TS]

  cultural [TS]

  and [TS]

  the dose down in the producers yeah it [TS]

  goes down we have there now we have to [TS]

  write this Jason's he would haha well [TS]

  when we when we kick off when we kick [TS]

  off the uncomfortable press yes we have [TS]

  the garbage chronicles garbage chronic [TS]

  look one Johnny refuse and the aluminum [TS]

  gantry book that destiny and murdered [TS]

  being comfortable keep watching the dump [TS]

  yeah don't you always get the last word [TS]

  it gets better it gets better as every [TS]

  time to jump you never know what will [TS]

  come out of the dump have to write this [TS]

  program although I have a few ideas [TS]

  tells me you one of them better off not [TS]

  knowing [TS]

  you know what goes into the dump you [TS]

  know what come out keep working on I [TS]

  think it needs some tinkering but I [TS]

  around so you should you should workshop [TS]

  it a little [TS]

  all right i'll do that [TS]

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