37: Shadow War of the Night Dragons
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the incomparable pod test number 37 may
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welcome back to the incomparable I'm
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Jason smell i'm joined today by Dan
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hello Jess and it's so nice to be on
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this podcast with you after so long
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since i was last on a podcast video also
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joining me today is Scott McNulty hello
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we form we we brave 3form this
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particular invocation of the
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incomparable book club so John Scalzi is
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our topic today John Scalzi
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award-winning I believe science fiction
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writer president of the science-fiction
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writers association of america i believe
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it's okay i hope to someday be a member
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of the Association working working hard
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that would be that would be good you
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need to write more science fiction I
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oh maybe everything from science fiction
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yes well you can always aspire we can
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all aspire damn i aspire to that to that
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top great he has so he's in the news
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he's got a new book coming out called
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buzzy nation fuzzy nasally nation which
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is a which is a recasting I guess of an
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yeah so that's interesting we'll start
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we'll start there why not if there's a
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book called little fuzzy which is by
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beam Piper H beam Piper from the sixties
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and it's a very sort of sixties book
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where there's a protagonist with a pipe
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and easie he's healthy discovers he
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works for a mining company and he
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discovers little cute aliens
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you had me at protagonist of the pipe is
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a savvy guy and what's funny is that
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scholars book is coming out its I
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believe little fuzzy is in the public
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domain but here is some sequels that are
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under copyright and scalzi help H beam
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Piper did so scalzi decided for unto it
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i think unexplained reasons I think he
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was just kind of in a funk and so he
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decided to write basically as fanfiction
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a a reboot of of little fuzzy basically
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a modern john scalzi type retelling of
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the story of that of that book and by
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the time you get to the end he says that
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he really liked it and
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so he had his agent or lawyer or
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somebody approached the estate of Piper
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and asked if they could have permission
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to publish it and they said yes so this
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book that was sort of written on a lark
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is is now the new john scalzi novel i
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find that kind of a fascinating idea
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just did you know sort of broadly
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speaking it's there's a lot of
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interesting you know I think there's
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there's so much function you know so
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much attention on being original which
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is which is great i think obviously it's
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always cool to see new stories but at
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the same time we all know as anyone
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who's written anything knows when you
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get down to the base of it there are no
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new stories so I think there's always
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it's always interesting to think about
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some of our favorite works i think and
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wonder how how could that have gone
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differently or you know what what if i
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change this one thing would make the
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story really different or not i mean i
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think that's a fascinating thing to to
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play around with and I think it's it
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that at the root of sort of what makes
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scalzi kind of think he's kinda
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emblematic of a lot of you know sort of
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the modern genre of science fiction
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writers which is a lot of it is sort of
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a mosh and pastiche in some ways to two
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things that have gone before because so
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much of it is so established at two
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words with a French pronunciation think
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I can I think I can do this all about
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guess the effects of people that i wish
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i could say with this podcast is over in
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French but I don't even know what okay
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if you need dick doesn't that mean this
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place is dead but i'm really speaking
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well yeah but as you say also reminds me
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of them another writer but not as big a
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fan of charles stross who I think a lot
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of his writing a lot of his stories
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borrow or tip their hat two things that
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came before he's got for example series
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that that plays sort of broadly in the
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Lovecraft you know world and so the it's
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interesting to see them sort of a not
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necessarily appropriate but but build
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off of these these older public-domain
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works and create something that's new
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but also kind of old took and borrowed a
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book from 50 years ago and basically
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said what would a modern a modern
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science fiction writer do with the same
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story but you know with very different
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kind of expectations for what a modern
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science fiction novelist it's much more
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derstand it's more sort of political
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stuff happening and and and and it's
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interesting although he said he read it
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repeatedly as a kid but when he came
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time to write it he didn't read it again
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so it and apparently it diverges in many
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ways from the book because then he read
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the book after he had written his
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version of it was like oh I have no
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memory of this part so it's interesting
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it's sort of like his retelling of his
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memory of the book and not the actual
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book it's kind of a good idea i think it
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is but yeah I mean you could see that
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with I I'm surprised it doesn't happen
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more but you know books are owned by the
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writers and or or if they passed away by
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their estates and so you don't see what
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you see with movies and TV shows where
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Corporation owns the rights and use it
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as an asset for them to repurpose in
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some way and so you see reboots and
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remakes of movies and TV shows all the
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time but you don't see it with books and
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it's actually kind of funny it would be
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interesting yet you do see it on
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occasion I mean think of all very rare
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well but you mean you think of all the
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states that sort of you know they dub
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you know Aaron's parents to following
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story you know how many people right
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Robert Ludlum novels your wounds right
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yeah that's not the same as I mean
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imagine a modern sci-fi novelist doing
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dune right i mean Lois McMaster Bujold
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dune right fuck starting battles for
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well sure fighting Paul would be miles
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writer now she's capable enough to write
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an interesting characters but just
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imagine something like that where you
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take a modern sci-fi writer and some
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classic that was written so long ago
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that presumably it would be told in a
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very different way now this is which
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this is a game that we should start
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that's a good a shots of older science
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fiction with newer all that I've got
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lois mcmaster bujold is doing you know
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top that one doe
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hmm i have a child china melville
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starship troopers who that's pretty good
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how about Nick Hardaway's foundation who
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actually that would be I would probably
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way better than the original
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yeah well the homeland
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hey right foundation although a classic
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is you know all the Asimov stuff is
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really you know he's got his he's got
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his issues he there things that he
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doesn't do well as human relationships
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are often kind of bland and he's got big
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ideas but the people are often kind of
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cardboard and you know it would be
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fascinating to see somebody who's got a
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different skill set take you know the
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the interesting stuff for massive mob
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and do something different with it or or
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any of his authors from 50 years ago
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well but within the Foundation series
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they did have three books that were
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written by three different science
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fiction authors modern-day science right
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that's true that's true that they
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weren't very good so let's yeah just
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goes to show you i guess i would like to
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see somebody we take on some of the
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works of philip k dick like CA and fax
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it works Anthony's yeah well speaking of
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which there is no model scalzi wrote a
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book called Androids Dream which I have
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not read but it's on my kindle and that
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is that is what i read that one
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it's it's much more of a it's much more
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value of a humor book it's more loving
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and legolas atoms in some ways
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probably my favorite of his works
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whatsoever right up
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what's the idea behind the android
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stream it involves with the these aliens
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they come to earth
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I'm trying to remember all i remember is
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there's something very there so there's
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a major plot point I feel like they had
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to deal with like flatulence yes because
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the aliens communicate using sent as
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well as a speech is that not agent to
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no that's all we know maybe that maybe
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an agent to the stars
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I have a red agent to the stars although
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that was the first one I ever heard of
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him with because the my crew like from
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penny arcade the cover when he released
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it online it was a it was like a
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shareware yeah originally which is
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another inch that mean like i'll say
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this I one of the things I really like
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what causes hehe really
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he plays around with all this stuff
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right he's not he's he's very involved
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and engaged in what is the modern form
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right of a book or or you know what
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story for example
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I know he for a my favorite thing that
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he's done recently out of either did you
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read on the on April fools day he wrote
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this prologue so that is the backup
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oh I think I covered got his tour book
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store books did an analysis at some
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point of the most common words in
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fantasy saga titles right
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the shadow war of the night dragons and
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so John Scalzi wrote are like he wrote
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the first comment on the post were they
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were they wrote about this egg I will
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write this series you can just back the
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dump trucks of money up to my door now
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and then for april fools day he actually
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wrote the prologue to books the shadow
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war of the night dragons book1 the Dead
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City and if you haven't gotten a chance
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go read this it is hilarious it is one
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of the funniest things i've read in ages
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because he clearly just started like
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what's the most ridiculous thing you
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know i could write and then just kept
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going and building on it and like it
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gets more and more ridiculous and but
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it's so perfectly constructed mockery of
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you know all the things that that we
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love to make fun of about fantasy I've
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got the the first paragraph of the
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shadow war of the night dragons up there
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I just want to be the first the first
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sentence which is a paragraph knighted
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come to the city of school and Aria the
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sort of night with such a quality of
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black to it that it was as if Blaque
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Cole had been wrapped in black as velvet
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bathed in the purple black ink of the
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demon squid trindle and flung down a
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black well that descended toward the
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deepest black as crevices of drinkable
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phangan another world ruled by dribble
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in which the sinful were punished the
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black of which was so legendarily black
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that when the dreaded trindle thing in
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flag in the ravenous blind black badger
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trolls of dribble thinkin with feast
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upon the uselessly dilated eyes of
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damned the abandoned would cry out enjoy
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as the dreadful thing in flag in morton
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feared black spoons of the journal
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thingy flagon pressed against the optic
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nerves giving them one last sensation of
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light before the most absolute blackness
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fell upon them made yet even blacker by
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the injuries sustained from a falling
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pink Bates velvet trapped old yaxha he
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said he's got a great sense of humor and
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you see that I think most of us work
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not all of it but most of whom have you
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guys read the God engines which was a
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novella that he published it wasn't
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hilarious it was off it was a huge
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menomonie that was not funny it was not
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familiar but I did read it it was good i
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thought it was weird way it's it's sort
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of like there's a their priests who have
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a spaceship and they capture demons to
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travel from star system to star system
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and and that the demons are Devils or
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whatever they are are sort of tricksters
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and not to be trusted and yet they're
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sort of torn tortured and tormented and
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and some I think the captain has a
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crisis of faith at one point and get
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smacked down by God and it's it's very
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strange because it's the sort of
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religion as the propulsion system for
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these spaceships and it it turns out
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that they're horribly exploiting various
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populations and its really dark and not
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funny i was good and weird and not funny
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good visitor since it is that supposed
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to be funny as I guess what I'm saying
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it shows that he doesn't always do
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light-hearted that is true is a very it
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was a much darker book that his other
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yeah but it was good it was that he's
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got some range so so the thing that John
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Scalzi is most famous for which I figure
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we spend most of our time talking about
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we got into it last which is interesting
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this is his reboot of the forever war
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oh I said it caves of steel John skull
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does the caves of steel i would read
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that as well very easy to please see I'm
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just I'm just coming up with them you
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know you are you're much better than
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this is a fun game we should open this
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up to the podcast listeners to send in
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their own reboots of modern science
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fiction writers rebooting
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science-fiction novels of old just to
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make sure to enclose a check with your
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yes and a self-addressed stop stamped
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unable to be uncomfortable right Dan
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four of the world's oh I've got a very
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good plot for that whole all right but I
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suspect it weird that i was something
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else yes sir john scalzi is most well
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known for his old man's war series which
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is actually for books the original old
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man's war highly acclaimed and i believe
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has just been optioned is probably
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possibly going to be made into a major
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motion picture I've heard but that's a
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that you know that's a good book i
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assume you guys have have read that I
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have you right now all those PS i read
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all four alright i thought i read all
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four of them but it turns out there the
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first 10 it seems like a little too
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close too close or or I i read the other
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three and I've completely forgot
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everything but also old man's war the
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premise if it's been a little while now
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is that when you're on earth and you're
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you can sign up to basically join the
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space army and if you join the space
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army they grow you a new clone body
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really tough you'll probably just died
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in battle but you'll have it has its
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pros and it's comes but you know so that
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and that's how it starts like the first
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out of promise right yeah yeah a lot of
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people if it's funny it gets it gets
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compared a lot 22 ender's game and I
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there are some there are some
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superficial similarities and the the
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sort of high-concept pitch that you
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often hear it it's like ender's game but
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with old people and I think you know
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it's funny because a one of my good
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friends he had put off reading it for a
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long time and then you just recently
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because people kept comparing to ender's
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game he said like you know which I liked
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but like I didn't necessarily want to
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you know am and I think they're there
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are at the kind of does the book of the
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ender's game and think is it one of the
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most seminal books with the last science
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fiction books the last like you know 30
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years or so they are very different in
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tone if nothing else the style is very
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high line like which I you know I look
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at the wikipedia entry and people have
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yes if people are mentioning the two
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books that I was going to mention it's
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like which is starship troopers in the
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forever war and there is so much high
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line that runs through especially this
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series it's definitely an homage to
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highline in some ways
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ya know i think that's that's definitely
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true i mean i think it's it seems
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lighter to me then then some of those
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other other books I mean a lighter than
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the forever war yeah just a little
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uh-huh the downer also just in terms of
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the narrative in terms of the the you
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know the protagonist viewpoint that we
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see things through
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accessible or something there's
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something about his writing that is very
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is very colloquial is very accessible by
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having an old man who turns into the
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soldier you get you get to tell that
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that almost like starship troopers you
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get to tell a war story with this funny
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viewpoint which is a an old man so he's
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got a whole life's worth the worth of
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experiences and although he's not you
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know used to being out in space and all
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that he's not a wet-behind-the-ears kid
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either and it's a great you know it and
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it's a great little combination where he
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you know and there are some interesting
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characters and it is even though as his
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his compatriots get you know killed in
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these horrible firefighters from time to
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time it is still there's sort of a light
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aspect to it to right and there's other
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i don't know i mean you know there
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there's sort of this whole like culture
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shock sort of with the whole when they
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put them in the new bodies all of a
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sudden you know there is this moment of
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hey we're all young again you know let's
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take advantage of everything the right
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has to offer us basically so but he
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doesn't ignore that they actually set it
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up we're like there's a period of time
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with a water traveling to wherever
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they're going to get slaughtered where
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it's basically party on the ship because
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everybody's in there
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new bar in their new young bodies young
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athletic like super soldier body's not
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like yep you know what to do and then
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and then you know in a couple of days
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we'll go down on the planet and most of
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you will get killed for the glory of the
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yeah well I mean and that's where that's
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where the sort of i feel like that's
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where it gets a little more complexity
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you know along the lines of some of
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those other books in terms of why is
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this war began and I think that that
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intensifies as the books go on right
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rise this war being fought who are they
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fighting exactly you know and i think
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there's some really interesting like you
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point out that about them not going back
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to earth which as I recall was a sort of
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like a political move right basically
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because you know in theory these guys
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are like genetically engineered better
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than all the people on on on earth so it
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wouldn't really be you know they're kind
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of worried that these these super
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soldiers might turn on member something
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eventually when they they want to keep
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as it turns out but the politicians sort
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of want to keep the earth under their
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thumb and answer so what is almost like
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a it's not quite as zoo but it's almost
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like that where it's like you know when
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your honor if you're on earth and once
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you leave her if you don't go back
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you see it's just like a little preserve
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of where all the original humans live
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and then there's the big wide the big
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bite world which I love the widescreen
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aspect of it to where they're a bunch of
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different alien races and there and then
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they're they're sort of different human
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groups as well and there's like search
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for territory and and they try to take
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planets and take them back so there's
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like the politics that's going on and
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there's the the especially the CIA kind
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of military intelligence that's going on
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so it's not just the the grunts and in
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fact the character kind of works its way
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up and gets a to peek inside the though
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the way the war machine works so so he's
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not just an infantry guy all right and
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as we as we progress you know as we
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follow them throughout the series he
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gets two more increasingly important
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roles to the point where was the third
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book that he become sort of the the
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leader of this colony or one of the
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major people like sort of founding a new
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colony which is kind of any i mean i
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think that the book has a really
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interesting plot in that
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there is this whole again like you're
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talking about the land grab type thing
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and then the earth takes it to sort of
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the next logical step in some ways to
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how are they going to found a colony
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that is not in danger of being attacked
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and and occupied by these other aliens
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and that is you know it's basically
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let's let's not tell anybody where
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they're going like let's convince the
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overall going one place and then send
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them someplace totally else so that they
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can even get home
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yeah thatthat's a there there's there's
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so much going on then in the last colony
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the third book the second book the ghost
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brigades scott i know i read it and i
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look at the description of its kind of
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edible though and I don't remember it's
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set in the same world but really there
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are only a couple characters it you know
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in in common variant well there's the
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main ki mean the main the main virtue of
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it is that one of the characters that
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comes out of it becomes very important
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in the third book and in fact the fourth
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book is told from her perspective
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mmm do I certainly have read the fourth
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book and i don't think i've read the
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third book said I can't tell if I read
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oh yeah well the fourth in the third
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books tell the same story from two
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different points of view
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yeah so the funny thing about this is
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that Zoe's tail the fourth book which is
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interesting because it's almost like a
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young adult retelling of the third book
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from the daughters perspective that's
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the first one of these that i read
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because it was nominated for a hugo and
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it was in the hugo packet and and I
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really liked it to the point where i
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went back and read the other three and
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the funny thing about reading in that
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way is it didn't spoil basically
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he manages to pull off the fact that i
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think the third and the fourth book
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despite telling essentially the same
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story are still engrossing even when you
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think you sort of know what's going to
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I because it if there's more to it than
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just the plot being the interesting
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points in the character development or
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interesting seeing these things and
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there are some fairly important things
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that you see in that fourth book that
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you don't get to see their sort of all
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screen in the third book so so in the
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second book what happens is that there's
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this this this trader and the memories
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are implanted and all the stuff and in
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the end what you
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get a Zoe who gets adopted by by the old
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man from the first book and by jane who
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is the little it's ok another
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she is it's a clone of his wife because
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you get you to grow your clone but while
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the cones were cool growing his wife
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died right she signed up to be in the
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military as well but she died before
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they left Earth basically and so they
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still had a clone body for her but they
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have no brain no mind to go into it and
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so they just sort of they have like an
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artificial like intelligence generator I
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guess that but so that they put
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basically they grow a brain from like
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you know she's basically said it starts
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out with her being more I mean they can
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basically take a brain and let it
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develop inside this body right its own
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personality so it's sort of her but sort
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yeah it's really creepy it it is it is
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all torino 10 now will end but shes
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photos dead so it's not dead but she
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sort of thinks like his dad why are
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heroes so because she's got the brain
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but it's not his dead wife because she
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doesn't have the memories and so it's
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yeah it's it's a really interesting
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thing and that that's the fascinating
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thing about the last colony which I read
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after reading is always tell which tells
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us that story from the daughters
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perspective the adopted daughters
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perspective but it's funny because
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you've got these two characters that are
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so different from how they are earlier
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as it turns out when they're when there
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are soldiers and now they're kind of
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retired and trying to run this colony
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and so you got wacky characters that
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they're trying to keep you know in line
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and then all of a sudden there's a
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essentially a galactic incident and
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they're going to all die unless state
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they uh but it turns out what that the
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daughter is being protected by this
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alien race that her father created
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writer or made sentient yes and so
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made by anybody who hasn't read these
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books is going to be like whoa what the
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hell are you talking that that's exactly
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what I'm seeking it also kind of it also
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kinda follows that mean thatthat's
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thatthat's the sort of fascinating thing
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about is there are these wacky aliens
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little this little girl has these two
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kind of like strange i don't even know
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how to describe them they're like
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puffball alien X there aren't they
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really like badass they're like really
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big or something to yeah they're
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dangerous but there but they just follow
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her around and videotape everything she
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does because she's a hero or she says
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she's a God basically because her father
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created these these aliens or gave them
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came from consciousness
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yeah and so so you know she goes off in
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a spaceship and that story is told him
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up in the fourth book yeah that's it and
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that's a pretty major point right like
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so you know you sort of see her
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disappear off the stage in book 3 and
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then she shows up as almost sort of like
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a deus ex machina out at the end but
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then that whole segment is fleshed out
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in the fourth book and I think that is
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really interesting because the it makes
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sense that would say it's not entirely a
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deus ex machina it's just the story is
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meanwhile i have to say that you know
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without getting too damned these details
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it's fun you know the spaceship and
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space battles are fun the the kind of
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alien diplomacy is hilarious and I
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believe in is the last colony or is it
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so easy tale where there's a duel to the
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death between various ate like I
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humanely and various aliens and they do
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this thing where diplomacy fails and
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they're like let's duel and and then you
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have to kill a certain number of aliens
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and then you win and they do and they
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win and it's just hilarious that mean
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it's written seriously but at the same
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time it's just such a great ride it's
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like sure why not a duel to the death
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let's do that it it's very entertaining
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in a way that I mean I feel like so many
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times their people think like a book can
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either be entertaining or like
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intellectually stimulating like make you
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think and I I feel like he does a pretty
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good job of measuring those two so that
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it's not totally cerebral and making you
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like Mass this is this is full of very
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deep thoughts I must I must meditate on
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these deep thoughts but I mean you know
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there's there are interesting ideas
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woven within a story that is engaging
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and kind of a page-turner and that's
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that's a hard combination to pull off
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Scott you should read them apparently I
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have no idea why I guess I was not that
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impressed with a old man's war and I
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didn't feel I should read the rest i
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know it's not in its 19th century New
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York there's no detective just tell you
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so I you know it'sit's old man's war is
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a lot of fun but i think is funny the
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other books are very different
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I think that my phone with old man's war
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is that i liked the forever war so much
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oh yeah that can have you read Forever
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War i'm familiar with it but I've never
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read it you know how i will how can you
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be familiar with a pen haha oh I mean
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he's aware of its existence it is it was
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published it was published
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well i mean i know people often talk
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about sort of a diametrically opposed
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did they put in contrast to the like a
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starship troopers type thing I hear
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those are sort of the two dipoles of the
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whole you know the 67th Easwar that's
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Rob the internship troopers like what
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skill Elliot's and the forwards like war
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why it's a waste of time yeah I think
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that was that the reason i didn't read
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star systems and and and in this case
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crappy job and so I said I wrote him an
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percentage of my income that came from
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the options for the movie you know I was
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stories of the moment unless she comes
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write about order know that she needs
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when I well yeah she writes funny others
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that she ready for book you know sort of
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fantasy series he wrote a whole nother
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separate fantasy series and i know that
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cousin that was so great
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yeah which and I think she know she's
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like oh I've got a story I want to tell
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that you know in which Ivan would be the
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protagonist and I think that's great i
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space opera so that I am extremely
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interested in reading as well I think
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1600 page that did is that what I read
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hundred pages town like it's going to be
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crab earnest if she never writes another
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miles book i'll be sad but but but
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very good versus evil
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atmosphere that explains how he makes so
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yeah and you get to see some of the
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pretty good job so i recommend the Brian
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the elegant universe which is excellent
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about string theory if it has been a the
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Pluto files by neil degrasse tyson i
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haven't although I I should because i
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read i think i spent on an earlier
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podcast i read Mike Brown's book how I
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killed Pluto and why it had it coming
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which is a lot of fun about being a
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working astronomer and finding these
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deep solar system objects but i haven't
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read the profiles
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it's a lo lot of fun because he gets a
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so Neil deGrasse Tyson runs the Hayden
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Planetarium planetarium exactly so here
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they they changed their their
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representation of the solar system
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material out and grouped with other
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other things because they group the
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planets in the ways that they were
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grouped with celestial objects and so
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then that kind of started this whole
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thing about him killing Pluto and the
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push the original saludo killer he was
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and your favorite pounds that he's
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getting like letters from four-year-olds
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written in crayon accusing him exactly
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why did you need dear dr. Tyson neil
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degrasse tyson why did you kill flew to
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open i am very sad sad face here exactly
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yeah I know he's a funny guy I actually
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follow him on twitter and he has he is
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very smart and funny guy and I've been
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to the Hayden Planetarium and I saw the
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diorama and afterward i thought you know
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i think that i think that's the place
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where they killed Pluto are there is
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there a little chalk outline exactly
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little circle at the underfloor but I
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did read the reason Empire has anyone
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heard of this by scott westerfeld who is
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now that you mention it on
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on the Twitter I i enjoyed it he scott
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westerfeld is probably best known for
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his young adult fiction now so he wrote
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Leviathan and behemoths and some other
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books that kids like to read
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I an adult center but the the reason
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Empire is his he explains on his website
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that he wanted to write the space opera
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that he wanted to read when he was a
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fourteen-year-old so he wrote the reason
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empire which is a fascinating book about
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this empire called the reason empire who
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they figure out how to cheat death by
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creating this viet that will give you
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eternal life but the problem is you have
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to be dead before it can be implanted
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into you so kind of resurrects you and
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then there are other races that have
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solved the problem of immortality in
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different ways and so it's an
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interesting book but you should read it
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there are two books that were actually
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written as one book so if you decide you
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want to read the reason Empire make sure
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you get the sequel because it is in fact
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one book and the first bar ends very
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abruptly ah that seems to get around now
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if you know we're going in it's not a
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it's if you don't get going in yet why
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that's dangerous no residents to me that
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happened to me with the economy blog
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economy was here to back out
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I like mattered man she's running
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children pages they're not gonna get out
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ok guess that just stops right there
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this is basically this book stops like
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in the middle of the climactic battle
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and it's just stops sure that is awkward
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alright i like talking about books I I
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wish I read more books it's hard to find
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time to read so many good books that are
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out there that I hear about on the
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podcast and some mediocre ones i don't
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have any time to reread things
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yeah I don't know I I it's hard to get
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me into some new books
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I'm very now I I
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I'm very now I I
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you know like if there's an author the
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way that I follow and like anything come
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up with a new book i almost always read
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it but I'm very skittish sometimes about
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about reading new unproven mother's
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unproven to you or unproven in general
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just to me I'm i am very very
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self-centered ridic
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oh yeah self-centered self-centered
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self-interested egotistical arrogant
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yep that kinda stuff if so yeah that's
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me alright well thank you for joining me
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and talking about books it's so nice to
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feel as if I am surrounded by people who
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are literate my friend got a fortune and
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misfortune cookie the other night that
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said you are not illiterate while high
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praise that was quite a quite a
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backhanded couple in bed haha how many
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gold that is why Scott McNulty is here
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also because he read lots of books it's
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alright well thanks to everybody for
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joining us on the podcast tonight thanks
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to my compatriots although we aren't
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green-skinned aliens fighting
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compatriots we are still looking for
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that some patriotic it's dan more'n
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thankyou thankyou results and Scott
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McMurphy thank you as always
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hello it's a pleasure as a until next
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time this is justin still for the
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uncomfortable signing off
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I have never picked up one of those
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books they are not good but I read them
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we all we all have those that way i just
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i just read the third book in this
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series called them seeing that damn
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while you were talking I was thinking
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the way you set that up with saying
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there are some books that i read that i
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don't that aren't very good and i just
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read a trilogy and I thought what would
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be that would trilogy with that be and I
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know what I came up with his trilogy
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called the garbage chronicles which is
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about a group of of garbage reclamation
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workers and I imagine the first book is
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probably called something like like
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Johnny refuse and the aluminum cans i
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was thinking I was thinking one man's
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trash that that's the second bottle to
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and the foot and the third book is just
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the dose down in the producers yeah it
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goes down we have there now we have to
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write this Jason's he would haha well
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when we when we kick off when we kick
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off the uncomfortable press yes we have
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the garbage chronicles garbage chronic
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look one Johnny refuse and the aluminum
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gantry book that destiny and murdered
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being comfortable keep watching the dump
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yeah don't you always get the last word
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it gets better it gets better as every
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time to jump you never know what will
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come out of the dump have to write this
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program although I have a few ideas
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tells me you one of them better off not
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you know what goes into the dump you
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know what come out keep working on I
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think it needs some tinkering but I
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around so you should you should workshop
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all right i'll do that
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