The Incomparable

301: All the Best Words

 

  the incomparable number 301 may 2016 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable this is that episode that [TS]

  i enjoy every year where I get to read a [TS]

  lot of books that are on the list of [TS]

  awards [TS]

  it's the nebula awards they were seven [TS]

  nominees for best novel and and unlike [TS]

  last year where we recorded just before [TS]

  the award was handed out we're actually [TS]

  recording after the award is handed out [TS]

  so we will talk about the novel's intern [TS]

  chosen randomly in order that leads to [TS]

  the winner randomly which is kind of [TS]

  funny [TS]

  joining me to talk about these seven [TS]

  books that somebody thought were worth [TS]

  putting on a list of award nominees are [TS]

  members of my book club [TS]

  Scott McNulty hello i was going to [TS]

  predict the winner but now you've ruined [TS]

  yes that's the problem about not having [TS]

  this P last last year when we did this i [TS]

  just read all the names as if they were [TS]

  the winner and then edit out all the [TS]

  losers so it seems as if i knew what i [TS]

  was talking about but this year we [TS]

  already know the winner so anyways going [TS]

  to have you here Scott a pleasure [TS]

  Erica and sign is here hello i am here i [TS]

  did my homework very early this time and [TS]

  now have forgotten a lot so everything I [TS]

  took some notes how many of them did you [TS]

  read I i started all of them to attempt [TS]

  it also and that's good enough good and [TS]

  i finished six ok fair enough [TS]

  lean Sims is here heileen how are you [TS]

  okay how are you [TS]

  I i'm good i read i read seven books how [TS]

  many books did you read i read 5i [TS]

  attempted six but i could not get [TS]

  through one of them are and then one of [TS]

  them was all two of them or third in a [TS]

  series and I hadn't read the beginning [TS]

  of the series so I didn't interesting [TS]

  didn't didn't do it [TS]

  fair enough that's that's completely [TS]

  fair and joining us again as he has [TS]

  actually the last couple years from the [TS]

  skin panty podcast it is sean Duke Sean [TS]

  welcome back thank you for having me i [TS]

  will be your resident curmudgeon this [TS]

  episode so expect joy you might have to [TS]

  fight to certainly Scott for it but [TS]

  we'll see how actually my post will see [TS]

  how we will see how it goes [TS]

  that's good curmudgeon curmudgeonly is [TS]

  fine there's nothing wrong with [TS]

  conventionally alright so seven novels I [TS]

  literally did go to [TS]

  scott might approve to random.org best [TS]

  place on the internet to find a random [TS]

  number anywhere atmospheric aberrations [TS]

  lead to random numbers random.org and so [TS]

  I i randomly selected the order in which [TS]

  we would talk about these seven offices [TS]

  so the nebula Awards science-fiction [TS]

  writers of america write science fiction [TS]

  writers association it's not just [TS]

  America I don't know their science [TS]

  fiction writers galactic they have they [TS]

  have a system that is not just a it's [TS]

  not a fan vote like you go words so it's [TS]

  a little bit different lists and and [TS]

  they chose these seven as they're the [TS]

  ones to go to the final voting to choose [TS]

  a winner [TS]

  so first up is the fifth season by NK [TS]

  jemisin now you may remember her she [TS]

  wrote [TS]

  uh-huh the hundred thousand kingdoms [TS]

  which was a hugo nominee a few years [TS]

  back that I actually really loved and in [TS]

  in the fifth season this is a this is a [TS]

  story told in three different timeframes [TS]

  and the question is how many--how [TS]

  spoiler we should probably try to keep [TS]

  it light on spoilers because most people [TS]

  are not going to not not going to read [TS]

  all seven books but i will say it's it [TS]

  stolen three different time frames with [TS]

  with a bunch of characters and you begin [TS]

  to wonder if you read it [TS]

  perhaps these time frames are connected [TS]

  because why would you tell completely [TS]

  disconnected stories calm and it's about [TS]

  a world that is apparently coming to an [TS]

  end there are there's a race of people [TS]

  that are that are their current kind of [TS]

  like mutants who have the ability to [TS]

  control like the earth and rocks and [TS]

  lava and stuff like that but there and [TS]

  they have like a training academy but [TS]

  they're also kind of their the subject [TS]

  of racism and the training academy maybe [TS]

  a little more sinister than it might [TS]

  sound from a simple description about it [TS]

  and there's in one of the the timeframes [TS]

  there's a cataclysm that is causing a [TS]

  city to be destroyed and questioning the [TS]

  future of the entire planet and along [TS]

  the way we meet these characters who are [TS]

  connected to the special people who can [TS]

  control the rocks and the earth and feel [TS]

  the vibrations of the earth and stop [TS]

  earthquakes from happening and things [TS]

  like that so it's it's definitely a [TS]

  a kind of magical world in that sense i [TS]

  would say i'd say this is definitely a [TS]

  fantasy novel only because there doesn't [TS]

  seem to be any even remote scientific [TS]

  basis for this these are people with [TS]

  special powers special earthquake powers [TS]

  basically so that's the fifth season uh [TS]

  anybody have have want to jump out and [TS]

  remember what the fifth season was a [TS]

  hunter i wanna i talked about all this [TS]

  is when I i remember because it was [TS]

  actually the think the second to last [TS]

  one that I fully read and it gave me [TS]

  nightmares [TS]

  so I had to read it really fast because [TS]

  I was really enjoying it but I wasn't [TS]

  enjoying the nightmare so it's like if I [TS]

  just get there really fast and we have [TS]

  to worry about it anymore [TS]

  I apocalyptic dreams are not uncommon [TS]

  for me but not many nights in a row so [TS]

  because I as you may know if you listen [TS]

  to the uncomfortable a lot i am a sucker [TS]

  for a good apocalypse Tory and for my [TS]

  money this was a good apocalypse Tori I [TS]

  I always tend to measure them against [TS]

  the first half of the stand and i [TS]

  thought this really measured up as far [TS]

  as did the way that this you know [TS]

  world-ending thing was dealt with by the [TS]

  people in this world the prologue says [TS]

  you know there are a lot of into the [TS]

  world's and people come back from them [TS]

  this isn't one of them this is the end [TS]

  of the world that's how it starts [TS]

  basically yes and i love the idea that [TS]

  that that's a thing that that this sort [TS]

  of end-of-the-world type thing is [TS]

  something that happens over and over [TS]

  again throughout the history of this [TS]

  world were reading about which may or [TS]

  may not be our world in the far far [TS]

  future I can like I wasn't sure about [TS]

  that so maybe it is kind of science [TS]

  fictiony I kind of like books that easy [TS]

  with that in that way I was so that one [TS]

  of the things that's really note and [TS]

  notable I think while reading this book [TS]

  is that it's got this idea of dead sibs [TS]

  right so it's the dead civilizations [TS]

  this is a this is a world with a [TS]

  civilization that is being built on the [TS]

  the remains of many fairly advanced [TS]

  civilizations that have come before it [TS]

  and the measure and this is a a planet [TS]

  that is sort of shattered it's got [TS]

  horrible economic issues there [TS]

  tidal waves and earthquakes and volcanic [TS]

  eruptions and so everybody every town [TS]

  has what 10 years of of storage of like [TS]

  food supplies and everybody's storing up [TS]

  for the next Cataclysm to survive it and [TS]

  the culture that they are part of is [TS]

  really awesome because it survived like [TS]

  four of them or something without ya [TS]

  dying out but so everything is is [TS]

  tenuous like all civilization is tenuous [TS]

  and there are remnants of height x stuff [TS]

  that they don't even understand what [TS]

  they are they're strange little jewel [TS]

  things that float in the sky there are [TS]

  little like a spinning like almost like [TS]

  when Millie kind of things that they [TS]

  don't nobody knows what they're for [TS]

  so there's this history of like the [TS]

  world that used to understand this stuff [TS]

  in that world is gone but people are [TS]

  still kind of making their way [TS]

  yeah and I think you mentioned a little [TS]

  bit about you know 10 years of storage [TS]

  and stuff because they're used to the [TS]

  world's sort of ending a lot of times I [TS]

  thought that the structures that the [TS]

  society has in place for dealing with [TS]

  those ends it was a really fascinating [TS]

  touch and and then the fact that the [TS]

  book is all sort of wrapped up and it's [TS]

  got a very specific system of magic [TS]

  that's tied to two people in the Earth's [TS]

  and and your kind of discovering how it [TS]

  works throughout the book and through [TS]

  the lens of a of a few characters that [TS]

  we see it's sort of interesting points [TS]

  in their lives made it made a really [TS]

  fascinating read and it it ended leaving [TS]

  me really wanting the next book there [TS]

  wasn't it wasn't as big of a conclusion [TS]

  as I was kind of hoping for her but [TS]

  that's right i just pre-ordered the next [TS]

  book immediately it doesn't have an [TS]

  ending i would say that's one of the [TS]

  weaknesses of the book is that it kind [TS]

  of you get to the end and you realize [TS]

  that it's like kicking into the next act [TS]

  the next chapter in the story at the end [TS]

  yeah this is definitely my favorite book [TS]

  of all of the ones we read I'm yeah I [TS]

  liked it most [TS]

  I think my to yeah i think that she did [TS]

  a really really good job of weaving [TS]

  these different stories and in in a [TS]

  really satisfying way I guess and kind [TS]

  of the threads that connect them all and [TS]

  because they are connected i will spoil [TS]

  that but I won't tell you how and I just [TS]

  felt like it was really really artfully [TS]

  done i thought the and the imagery her [TS]

  her her command of language was really [TS]

  beautiful yeah the the ways that things [TS]

  that she described the way she wrote [TS]

  things ever [TS]

  really enjoyed and I I wanted more like [TS]

  I finished reading and I was like oh [TS]

  this is really disappointing but they [TS]

  don't have any more of this storied and [TS]

  and it did feel like a first story in a [TS]

  series in the couple our first stories [TS]

  in series and they felt like that [TS]

  definitely i'm so I do feel kind of like [TS]

  I'm i'm hanging a little bit but i just [TS]

  thought that it was really really artful [TS]

  and beautiful [TS]

  I'm and I'm wondering if the next book [TS]

  might be might tie in more of the [TS]

  science-fiction elements because of the [TS]

  way they left this one possible [TS]

  Scott what did you think I enjoyed it it [TS]

  wasn't my favorite of the seven books it [TS]

  wasn't my least favorite either so [TS]

  that's good i guess for people keeping [TS]

  track of my favorite and least favorite [TS]

  books market on my spreadsheet at the [TS]

  end i'll ask everybody to bring them so [TS]

  be prepared for that if you eat so as we [TS]

  go make a list of them well we'll ask [TS]

  you to bring at the end i'll check the [TS]

  toys and I I struggled with this only [TS]

  because you know you said it's a fantasy [TS]

  book but i don't know if i consider it a [TS]

  fantasy book or science fiction book and [TS]

  I don't think that's a problem really [TS]

  because I enjoyed it and I thought I'm [TS]

  she's a talented writer beautifully [TS]

  written as already has been said but in [TS]

  and i think it's interesting that she [TS]

  melds all of the facets that are in here [TS]

  that make me wonder like make it [TS]

  difficult for me to categorize it as [TS]

  either purely science fiction or purely [TS]

  fantasy because of course you know [TS]

  you've got the magic or seemingly magic [TS]

  I don't know if it's magic or not she [TS]

  doesn't really explain it mean earth [TS]

  magic i'm not sure how that science [TS]

  fiction that there's earth magic unless [TS]

  well it could be you know that there [TS]

  would have been genetically engineered [TS]

  to have psychic i see ya okay I'm not [TS]

  sure how there's any technology that [TS]

  leads to people being born who can [TS]

  control earthquakes but but it doesn't [TS]

  feel your little faith [TS]

  alright okay fair enough there's no [TS]

  there's no like dread dragons are magic [TS]

  spells it's not that kind of fantasy but [TS]

  it also doesn't seem to be like they're [TS]

  trying to say oh well there's a [TS]

  technological explanation for how these [TS]

  people are doing doing this but there is [TS]

  technology she leaves it up to the arena [TS]

  to into it's one way or the other which [TS]

  is clever right because so if you are [TS]

  leaning more [TS]

  towards the fantasy you just think it's [TS]

  a fantasy and if you think it's more [TS]

  science fictiony you just think it's [TS]

  science fiction which is great like the [TS]

  whole yak that they looked to the sky [TS]

  and something's missing in your highness [TS]

  so yes [TS]

  what could that be a spoiler phone is [TS]

  missing the which led me to believe it [TS]

  was earth and so this led we also [TS]

  believe that it was far in the future [TS]

  right and so these and the the hovering [TS]

  crystals that do things and you know and [TS]

  are introduced kind of nonchalantly like [TS]

  oh and there was a crystal in the air [TS]

  and I'm like what a weird bit of imagery [TS]

  there and it's like yeah actually that [TS]

  matters [TS]

  that's going to be important but you [TS]

  don't know for a while I like that do ya [TS]

  sure they're just covering their [TS]

  two-week whatever it is they do [TS]

  slutever following people yeah or not so [TS]

  i mean i really liked it and yeah I [TS]

  think I'm if I had to categorize it's [TS]

  which I don't but to force myself to I [TS]

  characterize it now Scott I'm making [TS]

  that everything I i would still I'd call [TS]

  it science fiction [TS]

  ok interesting i said okay all right or [TS]

  wrong but that's fine Sean what did what [TS]

  did you think of the fifth season up so [TS]

  this is going to be a thing you're gonna [TS]

  hear many times tonight alright sorry [TS]

  for that there another way i think of it [TS]

  is there's this great scene and pirates [TS]

  of the caribbean work your nightly is [TS]

  about to get thrown into the water off [TS]

  the plank and there's the one guy who [TS]

  basically gets one line in the movie and [TS]

  all he does is he screams too long and [TS]

  the things the plank and eventually [TS]

  falls in that's kind of how I felt about [TS]

  many of the books that i read through [TS]

  this fifth fifth season little less than [TS]

  certain other books we will come to [TS]

  later for reasons that are a little [TS]

  different but at I think part of that is [TS]

  that for fifth season I listen to it as [TS]

  an audio book which I maybe it's not a [TS]

  good idea because of out some of the the [TS]

  switches and narration don't quite work [TS]

  i think in the way that it may be work [TS]

  for all of you I will say though that [TS]

  despite that i did enjoy most of this [TS]

  book in and then there's one scene that [TS]

  actually sticks out to me that i can't [TS]

  seem to get out of my head because I [TS]

  found it really tragic is that scene [TS]

  with i believe it's with kamiya and her [TS]

  guardian where he just flat-out tells a [TS]

  child [TS]

  like you think you matter and he [TS]

  answered this question and it i don't [TS]

  know that that moment really sort of [TS]

  stuck out how to actually rewind the [TS]

  audio tape and listen to it again to [TS]

  make sure I'd heard it it was really [TS]

  kind of brutal and of course the world [TS]

  are living in is pretty screwed-up had [TS]

  pretty bigoted and terrible but yeah [TS]

  that's you know like I've really liked [TS]

  in there and I love some of the world [TS]

  building elements i mean some of the [TS]

  things we've already mentioned i love [TS]

  when they start talking about the the [TS]

  weird technology that's a holdover and [TS]

  they don't have any idea how it works [TS]

  they just know that it does and it does [TS]

  all these weird things so I like a lot [TS]

  of aspects of it but it is one of those [TS]

  things are like I think i'm getting to [TS]

  this this point in my PhD where like if [TS]

  a book is over 250 pages i start to want [TS]

  to just cut them out and maybe reduce [TS]

  the book down a little bit i start [TS]

  finding things from like did we really [TS]

  need that scene and that's gonna come up [TS]

  i'm sure Scott and I will have much to [TS]

  say on that front for a later book that [TS]

  I suspect both yeah and i both had [TS]

  issues with so I don't know what you [TS]

  could be referring yeah which book at [TS]

  it's clearly it's clearly the shortest [TS]

  book on the left right yeah so um I [TS]

  think it's interesting that the the fact [TS]

  that this is told him three times [TS]

  sequences on one level I felt like it [TS]

  made it move because you have that [TS]

  moment you want to get back to what you [TS]

  just finished chapter of and you know [TS]

  you've got to go through two others to [TS]

  get there and sort of gives you this [TS]

  impetus to drive forward at the same [TS]

  time i would say yes there are moments [TS]

  where I think this chapter probably [TS]

  doesn't need to be here except we need [TS]

  to have everything every 30 chapters be [TS]

  one from each time frame and I didn't [TS]

  have those moments but you know for me I [TS]

  didn't feel like it was too long so much [TS]

  as I felt like like I said it could get [TS]

  to the end and although it kind of wraps [TS]

  up these three stories and in fact that [TS]

  it brings them all together and you see [TS]

  the bigger picture at the end [TS]

  still it doesn't really there there's so [TS]

  much more story to tell and I was a [TS]

  little disappointed that it was you know [TS]

  again I i bought a book and what I got [TS]

  was an installment of a series and and [TS]

  that that lets me down a little bit too [TS]

  i want to mention one thing that I [TS]

  really like from this book was [TS]

  it's just another little thing that I [TS]

  thought was cool is that one of the [TS]

  characters is named alabaster and he's [TS]

  described as being a man with the [TS]

  darkest skin and could ever possibly see [TS]

  and that he was named ironically by [TS]

  whoever gave him his name and you find [TS]

  out that everybody gets these names at [TS]

  this place where the earth you know [TS]

  earth Wizards basically or sorry Scott [TS]

  earth science people and and and i like [TS]

  that and also i like the inversion of [TS]

  the whole hero's journey thing where [TS]

  it's like a young a child finds out that [TS]

  she's special and in this case it's she [TS]

  finds out that she's special in being [TS]

  treated by people horribly because [TS]

  they're racist against these types of [TS]

  people and sent to a special school it's [TS]

  like Harry Potter except know they beat [TS]

  her and they're terrible people and then [TS]

  they did I mean it's such a great in [TS]

  version of that story like she is [TS]

  special and she is important but she's [TS]

  treated so horribly it's a it's not a [TS]

  good culture [TS]

  no yeah that reminds me of that scene [TS]

  where she you know she meets her [TS]

  guardian and you think oh he's so nice [TS]

  to her and she could please go to [TS]

  protect her because she's he's her [TS]

  guardian but then you find out that the [TS]

  guardians are protecting everybody else [TS]

  there's that scene where he like breaks [TS]

  your fingers and yeah it's virtually I [TS]

  think it's from just shortly after that [TS]

  where he even says that line right [TS]

  whether or not you better to her right [TS]

  this kid right [TS]

  it's really but i think that with that [TS]

  was the line for me that was like this [TS]

  is a really screwed-up world you that [TS]

  you can say that to a kid's face you [TS]

  think you matter [TS]

  it's a book to let her literally starts [TS]

  with the death of a child right the [TS]

  first seen in this in this book after [TS]

  the little prologue which the prologue [TS]

  is there to make you wonder about [TS]

  everything you're about to see because [TS]

  it you he doesn't become clear what [TS]

  you're seeing until the very end but I'm [TS]

  but after that the first thing you see [TS]

  is it's a mother who finds the the dead [TS]

  body of her child which has been killed [TS]

  by her husband and the reason the child [TS]

  has been killed is because the child has [TS]

  these earth powers that she also has and [TS]

  it's all it's just horrible [TS]

  and so for the rest of the book she's [TS]

  dealing with that my and and you know [TS]

  that's that's a bold move because that [TS]

  is that is rough right to start with a [TS]

  definite a dead child [TS]

  on not the death of but the finding of a [TS]

  debt already dead child on on the first [TS]

  page of the first chapter of the book [TS]

  it's pretty pretty rough stuff but it i [TS]

  thought i loved it i mean i really i [TS]

  really enjoyed this book and I like this [TS]

  world and I i enjoyed the idea that they [TS]

  are these people who can quiet the [TS]

  earthquakes I live in California go [TS]

  earthquake people we need we need more [TS]

  of them some of those ya le sew and NK [TS]

  jemisin she is a beautiful you know her [TS]

  pro style is beautiful it's just yes to [TS]

  her words ar-ar-ar [TS]

  it was a joy to read the words I thought [TS]

  she's got all the best words all the [TS]

  best for you pics get writer only the [TS]

  finest words are chosen her [TS]

  this is my this is this is a this isn't [TS]

  my my top echelon to four of the seven [TS]

  number one but it's a 1 a 1 10 you've [TS]

  got also known as to i may have [TS]

  sometimes when it comes down to my [TS]

  region to give me Scott I I listed them [TS]

  all and I even though I I i went back [TS]

  and forth i did into putting a second [TS]

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  alright next is updraft by friend wat [TS]

  Fran Wilde i should say updraft one uh [TS]

  an award from SFWA won the Andre Norton [TS]

  award which is 4y a science fiction and [TS]

  fantasy so we did win an award it was [TS]

  nominated for the the main novel prize [TS]

  and it did not win that one updraft is a [TS]

  it's a it's a story about people who [TS]

  live in towers made of bone that are [TS]

  constantly growing their kind of above [TS]

  the cloud tops [TS]

  there are a whole bunch of people who [TS]

  get around in this in this city by [TS]

  flying around on like wing in wingsuits [TS]

  they've got big wing gadget hang glider [TS]

  wingy things that they strapped onto [TS]

  their backs and they fly around [TS]

  the updrafts and the thermals and they [TS]

  move from place to place their watched [TS]

  over by a bunch of basically like police [TS]

  in the second in this tower that guards [TS]

  the guards the city supposedly and [TS]

  protects it from monsters such as the [TS]

  sky mouths who are these invisible [TS]

  creatures that their skin is invisible [TS]

  but then they open their mouths and you [TS]

  see their mouths and they basically they [TS]

  eat you and you die and so it's a it's a [TS]

  it's a I'm gonna say fantasy Scott can [TS]

  tell me all the science of the wings [TS]

  investigator novel about about ours and [TS]

  our main character is curated who is a [TS]

  who is a young girl who is about to pass [TS]

  your wingsuit test and wants to become a [TS]

  trader a traitor like her mother and go [TS]

  from tower to tower trading items [TS]

  because most people sort of live in the [TS]

  tower that they live in for their lives [TS]

  or if they're lucky enough it's [TS]

  connected by a bridge to another tower [TS]

  but they're all kind of isolated unless [TS]

  you can fly in one of these wingsuits [TS]

  and of course then carrot as she's [TS]

  learning things about her world and [TS]

  about the people in the tower who were [TS]

  supposed to be watching over them [TS]

  she unravels a whole lot of intrigue and [TS]

  conspiracy about what how things used to [TS]

  be and how things are now and she's a [TS]

  she's a she's tested repeatedly in in [TS]

  terms of trying to trying to do what's [TS]

  right and also obviously coming of age [TS]

  and learning her who she is and learning [TS]

  confidence and now she's literally [TS]

  tested as well she is she is literally [TS]

  tested repeatedly yeah at flying and [TS]

  other things it's like getting your [TS]

  driver's license except you may die [TS]

  yeah if you find that so after after [TS]

  what people think of the wingsuits and [TS]

  and such for updraft and bones and bones [TS]

  growing bone towers I really really [TS]

  really liked friend lads book I knew [TS]

  about this book mostly from having a [TS]

  long conversation with her about the [TS]

  world that she had built before i had [TS]

  actually seen the books and I think it [TS]

  was out at the time and so I've been [TS]

  really fascinated by how she developed [TS]

  this world and made it work before I [TS]

  even knew that there was a story and [TS]

  then when I got to read the story i was [TS]

  really excited [TS]

  it's a lot of fun and it's a really [TS]

  exciting book the world building is [TS]

  amazing the characters are fascinating [TS]

  I i love reading about the the whole [TS]

  test system have to go through when they [TS]

  have to fly in formation and have to [TS]

  follow these specific rules about flying [TS]

  it's like a really advanced crazy [TS]

  driving test [TS]

  I mean it is it's it's a really [TS]

  fascinating novel and i love how it goes [TS]

  into the sort of deep dark secrets of [TS]

  the spire and starts to unravel some of [TS]

  the you know why is this world the way [TS]

  that it is and maybe we shouldn't be [TS]

  happy about the way that it is so I mean [TS]

  from start to finish i just really [TS]

  really liked it i was really happy to [TS]

  hear that it got the visit the Andre [TS]

  Norton correct right right yeah i was [TS]

  really glad because I think it's very [TS]

  much a deserving but coming to be fair i [TS]

  haven't read every other why a fantasy [TS]

  novel out there but you know that's a [TS]

  good one [TS]

  this is a really good one yeah the trick [TS]

  that it does that i think is very clever [TS]

  is its fantasy setting right so it it [TS]

  tells you about the world through the [TS]

  eyes of the love of the the main [TS]

  character carrot and and so you accept [TS]

  it right because you're a book reader [TS]

  and you're reading about a world that [TS]

  doesn't really exist and and so you [TS]

  accept it and that actually is [TS]

  delightful then when she'd uncovers the [TS]

  secrets of the city because you're going [TS]

  along with her where you're like you [TS]

  know we've just we've accepted the [TS]

  ground rules of this entire world and [TS]

  then she goes she she goes to the spire [TS]

  and and it turns out [TS]

  Oh some of those ground rules are true [TS]

  after whole they're just they're just [TS]

  lies being told to the people who live [TS]

  in the city and that was that was really [TS]

  great because you get to experience that [TS]

  moment of disillusionment with her like [TS]

  what i thought the rules of the world [TS]

  with this and they're not i thought that [TS]

  was very very effective what other [TS]

  people think of draft i liked it for a [TS]

  lot of the same reasons that Sean said [TS]

  hello [TS]

  you know I i was wavering between [TS]

  fantasy and science fiction for this [TS]

  because I could easily just see this [TS]

  playing out on another planet because I [TS]

  mean again nobody's nobody's casting [TS]

  spells I felt like that the spells were [TS]

  more blatant didn't have the previous [TS]

  button this one it's all pretty much [TS]

  physics [TS]

  sure sure boneyard giant towers made of [TS]

  bone is totally yeah an invisible [TS]

  monsters totally giant creatures a young [TS]

  too [TS]

  sponsors to stop them yeah yeah should [TS]

  be ok but but i think if i had to pick [TS]

  one word to describe this book it would [TS]

  be delightful [TS]

  it's just yeah it and it is it's the [TS]

  world building that really got to me [TS]

  it's so unlike anything that I've ever [TS]

  read before I mean a land that has no no [TS]

  ground at all like there's no there's no [TS]

  before except for the floor apartment [TS]

  that's that's something I'd never even [TS]

  contemplated so it was fun to just sort [TS]

  of let my brain play in that world and [TS]

  think about the possibilities and [TS]

  limitations and then I would you know [TS]

  come upon those possibilities and [TS]

  limitations being played out in the book [TS]

  she answered all these questions that i [TS]

  was pretty much asking and I liked that [TS]

  she didn't spend pages and pages [TS]

  describing all the details that make up [TS]

  the world most of them you just discover [TS]

  by a character doing a thing or at the [TS]

  very worst thinking about a thing so it [TS]

  didn't drag on and on and I loved the [TS]

  POV character she just really worked for [TS]

  me i'm i'm kind of a sucker for young [TS]

  girls but I also appreciated that the [TS]

  language used to tell the story was sort [TS]

  of very simple straightforward pros with [TS]

  lots of sort of short sentences there [TS]

  wasn't a lot of long and entangled [TS]

  poetic flowing descriptions and it when [TS]

  that was exactly right for this [TS]

  character it felt like something that [TS]

  would come from her mind you know she's [TS]

  at the center of the narrative and the [TS]

  pros fits with her and of course i like [TS]

  the story as well I I too was interested [TS]

  in in the mystery and enjoy the [TS]

  unraveling of it but I felt the one [TS]

  biggest drawback for this is I felt like [TS]

  the end came a little fast and furious [TS]

  it didn't i didn't quite have enough [TS]

  time to completely understand what was [TS]

  happening and wrap my head around it so [TS]

  and I mean it there's clearly more books [TS]

  coming in this series as well but I [TS]

  thought the the wrap up here was was a [TS]

  was a little tough for me to swallow [TS]

  yeah she said I was looking at goodreads [TS]

  little while ago and she said that the [TS]

  next books won't necessarily follow [TS]

  accurate they'll be in the same universe [TS]

  so I don't know she might have a passing [TS]

  roller if I don't know what's going to [TS]

  happen so I kind of felt much like a [TS]

  dude with the fifth season like this was [TS]

  the first book and that it was just kind [TS]

  of introducing this universe [TS]

  first to us and that this was not the [TS]

  end and then i read on goodreads that [TS]

  maybe it kind of is at least for this [TS]

  character so it's going to be [TS]

  interesting to see what the next books [TS]

  do and in terms of that one thing that I [TS]

  really really loved when I started [TS]

  looking at alternate covers is I think [TS]

  that I don't think that this is a [TS]

  society of white people and I thought [TS]

  that was really not nice you don't like [TS]

  it's and but it's very clearly described [TS]

  in the book you know tiny copper Tony [TS]

  and color and dark right and yeah and [TS]

  I'm and that's you know but it wasn't [TS]

  like you seen a lot of things where it's [TS]

  very even and you know like the [TS]

  physicist fifth season words like his [TS]

  name is a joke and like it's very [TS]

  blatant okay well he's he is a man of [TS]

  color and so I really appreciate the and [TS]

  I don't know I feel like a lot of a lot [TS]

  of authors are very heavy-handed with [TS]

  their like these are definitely the the [TS]

  people of color and they are different [TS]

  and we will describe them in depth where [TS]

  is it was more if more organic i guess [TS]

  in here then then some books that I've [TS]

  read scott what do you think [TS]

  well so this book at two strikes against [TS]

  it when i started reading it and so it's [TS]

  a why a book and I don't really like ye [TS]

  novels and i also thought the world was [TS]

  dumb which is a problem but having said [TS]

  both of those things i enjoyed reading [TS]

  it I thought it was a good story [TS]

  not my favorite clearly i still think [TS]

  it's kinda stupid to live in bones and [TS]

  fly around but she would be over with [TS]

  the story i like to make character i [TS]

  like the inspire people in the singing [TS]

  and all that stuff still don't really [TS]

  understand and I suppose you're not [TS]

  supposed to understand why they're [TS]

  living in bones and [TS]

  how they got to fly around and all that [TS]

  stuff but yeah I mean it's fine it's a [TS]

  fantasy world for isn't science fiction [TS]

  interested and this is I'm having the [TS]

  same issue with a reading uh i decided [TS]

  i'll read the the locus of nominated [TS]

  books as well so i'm reading this book [TS]

  Karen memory which i think is very well [TS]

  watch yourself right now I just don't [TS]

  like it oh my gosh prob so because i [TS]

  have no interest in steampunk I don't [TS]

  care about the Wild West and so these [TS]

  are these are things that give it [TS]

  strikes against it so I'm reading it and [TS]

  I think this is a very well-written book [TS]

  it is just not my cup of tea and kind of [TS]

  the same thing happened in a what is the [TS]

  draft draft there you go to say uplifted [TS]

  I knew that wasn't right in between that [TS]

  too not [TS]

  yeah except that I thought it was good [TS]

  i'm just not its target audience clearly [TS]

  I i liked it i think one of the things [TS]

  that did really effectively is a and you [TS]

  know what a lot of books don't do this [TS]

  is it really made me feel the injustice [TS]

  that carrot experiences when she like [TS]

  doesn't get her flying license and it [TS]

  really made me hate the the the villains [TS]

  essentially they're so bad they make me [TS]

  so mad and I thought you know that [TS]

  doesn't happen a lot sometimes they're [TS]

  villains I'm like yeah that guy's bad [TS]

  you're gonna have to take care of him [TS]

  and an updraft I really did feel that [TS]

  thing that I think is really effective [TS]

  perhaps even more effective in nya and [TS]

  in tien teen kind of stuff where you [TS]

  want to feel that like oh man they're [TS]

  they're holding me down [TS]

  I you know parents just don't understand [TS]

  that sort of thing and I really felt bad [TS]

  very down it was it was super effective [TS]

  in making me making me cranky about the [TS]

  people who who didn't know didn't let [TS]

  carrot do what she deserved to do when [TS]

  she gets when she passes her tests and [TS]

  they fail her because they don't like [TS]

  her I you know I really did feel exactly [TS]

  what what the other one me to feel which [TS]

  is kind of outrage it's so unfair and [TS]

  that's good that's very effective [TS]

  yeah it's something I love about the [TS]

  book to his even when you like you go [TS]

  did two down and dip different [TS]

  levels of the bone tower and you see how [TS]

  this society basically has a class [TS]

  structure yeah I don't really want to [TS]

  talk about I forgot his name but the [TS]

  fellow who has some kind of mental [TS]

  disability right and he's just [TS]

  collecting like garbage on the lower [TS]

  level of mobiles yeah yeah and this [TS]

  whole system setup precisely so he can [TS]

  be down there doing this this pointless [TS]

  job but it's not pointless of course he [TS]

  has to be there the whole class [TS]

  structure requires them to be there so [TS]

  that the tower doesn't rot [TS]

  he's got to clean all the garbage it's [TS]

  just it's it's a system that is like at [TS]

  every level just feels like it's not [TS]

  like you said right it's not fair but [TS]

  it's not that like childish it's not [TS]

  fairly you stomp your feet right it's [TS]

  sort of like no it's it's seriously [TS]

  unfair as the men step system [TS]

  yeah i have read him or is a hoarder and [TS]

  not a person there for any purpose just [TS]

  that nobody else wanted to occupy the [TS]

  bottom levels and so that's where he [TS]

  ended up not that he was it turns out in [TS]

  the plot that there are actually reasons [TS]

  why he is who he is and yeah he's there [TS]

  yeah that's part of if I have one [TS]

  complaint about this book and I do it's [TS]

  this one [TS]

  it's that it's that I feel like if you [TS]

  imagine Star Wars literally Lucas found [TS]

  on on Tatooine and he's never been off [TS]

  his planet before and by the end of 90 [TS]

  minutes of the movie star wars he is [TS]

  defeated everything in the Emperor is [TS]

  dead and there's a whole new you know [TS]

  democracy in place in the galaxy that's [TS]

  sort of what happens here I feel like [TS]

  it's too easy and I know that they're [TS]

  there are lots of lots of dramatic [TS]

  things that happen but but uh she like [TS]

  literally overthrows in this again [TS]

  spoilers but come on no she dies at the [TS]

  end and everything's terrible of course [TS]

  now she actually visit aureus but i [TS]

  would say her victory seems a little too [TS]

  comprehensive it turns out that she sort [TS]

  of falls into a larger plot that's going [TS]

  on a larger set of dissidence there's a [TS]

  a tower that supposedly been abandoned [TS]

  but there's actually secret information [TS]

  there that she's been she's been [TS]

  accidentally she and her friend have [TS]

  been gathering it seemed like a little [TS]

  too coincidental a little too easy and [TS]

  the fact that although there are some [TS]

  very exciting moments where the bad guys [TS]

  get defeated it it seemed like [TS]

  I let it just seemed too easy it seems [TS]

  like 22 comprehensive victory here for [TS]

  this that that all she had to do was a [TS]

  few things and it leads to the complete [TS]

  collapse of the system that's been in [TS]

  place for a very long time I guess that [TS]

  would be my complaint is that is that [TS]

  you know yeah it's great it's a fun [TS]

  story that she's so victorious but you [TS]

  know in the end it turns out everything [TS]

  in the world is aligned so that she can [TS]

  step into this one slot and change [TS]

  everything and and and that that [TS]

  bothered me a little bit you know Jason [TS]

  I think you just articulated a lot [TS]

  better than I did what my problem with [TS]

  it was is because almost all those [TS]

  things that you're talking about sort of [TS]

  happen fairly fast at the end yeah right [TS]

  she does just fall into all this stuff [TS]

  and it's like a bunch of dominoes just [TS]

  going Bam Bam Bam and and I think that [TS]

  was that was it if if she had to work [TS]

  for it a little harder more things had [TS]

  to happen to make all of that work then [TS]

  I don't think I would have had the same [TS]

  sort of feeling of of rushing at the end [TS]

  yeah i kinda wanted her to win a [TS]

  hard-earned victory that suggested that [TS]

  this world was going to change and [TS]

  instead she wins a and a hard-earned but [TS]

  absolute victory where the world has [TS]

  changed and it just felt like I i'm not [TS]

  saying i wanted this be split into three [TS]

  books that tells the story in a whole [TS]

  big story arc i'm not saying that I'm [TS]

  just saying that it it seems awfully [TS]

  abrupt like suddenly you know ya [TS]

  suddenly everything changes and there's [TS]

  complete victory at the end and maybe [TS]

  that's just because I'm a jaded adult [TS]

  but the world kinda doesn't make me [TS]

  quite that fast it seems it just seems a [TS]

  little too simple and then and then a [TS]

  bad man went away the end right it's [TS]

  just a little too simple for me Jason [TS]

  you do you do realize you have set up a [TS]

  problem now because you've just said I [TS]

  didn't want this to be three books when [TS]

  they make this a movie it's going to be [TS]

  a trilogy [TS]

  yeah it's going to take nine hours and [TS]

  it's going to be Peter Jackson make but [TS]

  Sean we're gonna learn everything there [TS]

  is to know about what it's like to to [TS]

  start bone growth and build a bone [TS]

  bridge between two towers and that's [TS]

  going to be a pulse-pounding I think who [TS]

  in 3d and will be on the you'll be on [TS]

  the edge of your seat during the [TS]

  Engineering's it'll be better that [TS]

  revenge as the bones up with 3d scanned [TS]

  Benedict's bones and use them as our [TS]

  model for the bones to be using the [TS]

  tower shake cheekbones with the spire is [TS]

  made from the cheekbones and the other [TS]

  thing about the book is death is very [TS]

  like whatever you know where they're [TS]

  taking their flying test and like [TS]

  literally someone dies it's like well [TS]

  you know I guess those people are dead [TS]

  we lost in the clouds [TS]

  yeah that's just kind of it is like what [TS]

  it was an interesting thing like it's [TS]

  not a big deal you spend all this time [TS]

  talking about like they're talking about [TS]

  taking classes and how you have to be [TS]

  careful and you have to you know there [TS]

  are ways to signal your intention like [TS]

  all the stuff and then someone dies and [TS]

  it's not it's not even like a teachable [TS]

  moment it's just someone died [TS]

  okay yeah and then when when a main [TS]

  character one of our are the best friend [TS]

  of carrot dies it's so very [TS]

  transparently he disappears below the [TS]

  clouds will never see him again [TS]

  yes forget he ever existed anyway I I [TS]

  complain about it but it is really [TS]

  enjoyable it is it is a fun read it is a [TS]

  it is a fascinating world the the flying [TS]

  stuff i mean who hasn't had at least a [TS]

  dream where they can fly and here these [TS]

  people fly around between these towers [TS]

  that it was a lot of fun [TS]

  I just yeah sigh and I I've detailed the [TS]

  thing that my problem is that the end [TS]

  seems a little too completely victorious [TS]

  and abrupt but but it's good i like to [TS]

  very much [TS]

  alright let's move on how about that [TS]

  buchones next what's next [TS]

  Jason computer know everything know [TS]

  everything [TS]

  barska the elephant's graveyard bilo [TS]

  lawrence ma showin is next on our list [TS]

  barska is a is a very strange book i [TS]

  would say this is the book that I felt [TS]

  is indefinable e science fiction and [TS]

  fantasy smooshed together it has both [TS]

  spaceships and magical telepathic of [TS]

  fortune-telling elephant people [TS]

  altogether talking on the roof [TS]

  talking animals that are also that are [TS]

  not fantastical but sort of science [TS]

  fictional and origin fascinating [TS]

  connection your main character is a an [TS]

  elephant like human he's one of the the [TS]

  fant they are the they are like sort of [TS]

  like the characters the earth magic [TS]

  people in the fifties and they are hated [TS]

  by everybody else in the galaxy but [TS]

  there is this there are spaceships [TS]

  connecting all these different worlds [TS]

  and the fans have this on their rainy [TS]

  planet they've got this drug that is [TS]

  sort of used to to create a sort of a [TS]

  state as sort of a psychic state but it [TS]

  also is used as a drug for other for [TS]

  other creatures on other other planets [TS]

  all of the aliens in this are analogues [TS]

  of animals on that we know from the [TS]

  present day and and then it's a story of [TS]

  this one this one little elephant who is [TS]

  who is the wrong color bar and is and is [TS]

  a and it's not supposed to exist and is [TS]

  shunned by his entire race so he's it's [TS]

  like that old joke about how that you [TS]

  know my brother beat up on me and my [TS]

  father beat up on my brother and the [TS]

  people next door beat up on our family [TS]

  and the people down the hall beat up on [TS]

  but it's like that this kid is at the [TS]

  bottom this little elephant is at the [TS]

  bottom of the hierarchy [TS]

  nobody likes the elephants and none of [TS]

  the elephants like him and and guess [TS]

  what happens that turns out that [TS]

  character general is special has some [TS]

  special powers is connected to a [TS]

  legendary elephant from history not [TS]

  Babar and and suddenly almost everybody [TS]

  it's like almost everybody in the galaxy [TS]

  will suddenly have their fate impacted [TS]

  by what this outcast elephant person [TS]

  does and that is what barska it's about [TS]

  see this story hundreds of tips it spin [TS]

  spin slope is general and his low or the [TS]

  two elephants that we get to know this [TS]

  I was not looking forward to this book i [TS]

  left it until the last ones because I [TS]

  knew it was about elephants it has [TS]

  elephant in the title [TS]

  yeah and you know elephants and other [TS]

  animals and that is such a quick way to [TS]

  turn me off a book [TS]

  don't care for stories about animals [TS]

  especially when they are told from the [TS]

  animals POV and just knowing that sort [TS]

  of gave me flashbacks to one of the [TS]

  terrible you go short story nominees [TS]

  from last year but I made the mistake of [TS]

  reading but then once i actually started [TS]

  reading it and got into it I was so [TS]

  surly engaged these characters you're [TS]

  right they were clearly people they were [TS]

  animals they were they were animal like [TS]

  people and but there's still people so i [TS]

  could just sort of sit back and enjoy [TS]

  the story and i thought that this one [TS]

  felt very sci-fi despite that you know [TS]

  somewhat fantasy elements it felt sci-fi [TS]

  because you had these different planets [TS]

  with different types of people and [TS]

  spaceships and space stations in a [TS]

  secret mysterious history the [TS]

  protagonist has to discover or [TS]

  StumbleUpon and you know you got this [TS]

  quote-unquote scientific particle that [TS]

  allows communication with dead people in [TS]

  telepathy and lots of social commentary [TS]

  couched in the differences between the [TS]

  different species of of people so it [TS]

  felt it felt very much like a classic [TS]

  the type of science fiction story [TS]

  without feeling old I think the only [TS]

  thing that made me uncomfortable was [TS]

  just it really was it really was showing [TS]

  you lots of you know racism and [TS]

  differences between the different [TS]

  animals and I kept my brain kept wanting [TS]

  to sort of apply that to the real world [TS]

  and it made me uncomfortable the whole [TS]

  time as I was doing that but the story [TS]

  itself was was really really good you [TS]

  know what about everybody else only did [TS]

  you read this one a dead i liked it and [TS]

  i just finished a couple days ago and [TS]

  and it was it wasn't my favorite of of [TS]

  the books will have already stated what [TS]

  my favorite was but and I liked it I [TS]

  liked the [TS]

  and it was definitely I've I thought the [TS]

  most creative and fantastical of any of [TS]

  them I mean you've got you know the I [TS]

  don't know I I don't answer my poor say [TS]

  the word for more Five is that would I [TS]

  don't even like animals are not i don't [TS]

  read a lot of books where where animals [TS]

  are very human-like and it's a complete [TS]

  character it's not really my thing but i [TS]

  thought this was really well done [TS]

  I thought it was it was really really [TS]

  interesting and I kind of sense i'd read [TS]

  all the others first and I considered [TS]

  all the others more fantasy ish i kind [TS]

  of like having a science-fiction break [TS]

  i'm in it too so and yeah I I liked it a [TS]

  lot i thought that there was a lot of [TS]

  good writing in it a lot of good [TS]

  characterization and and some [TS]

  interesting i don't know commentary on [TS]

  on prophecy and the accuracy of prophecy [TS]

  yeah and and in interpretations of and [TS]

  so I thought that was also that was also [TS]

  good Sean would you think so this is one [TS]

  of the ones that I was not able to [TS]

  finish but i will say that I this is not [TS]

  the book that I didn't finish because [TS]

  they didn't want to borrow which will [TS]

  come to that one later i'm sure it's [TS]

  about how to put it on the back cover [TS]

  yeah but i will say that that the parts [TS]

  that i had read I mean this is a book [TS]

  that I definitely want to finish because [TS]

  it's definitely right up my alley the [TS]

  kind of book that i would like John too [TS]

  so I what I have read i have really [TS]

  enjoyed but i have not read enough to [TS]

  really can't i can't judge the book i [TS]

  really like this book i like the fact [TS]

  that i like it when characters suffer [TS]

  and so there's their suffering of this [TS]

  book i like the fact that all the other [TS]

  animals hate the elephants because they [TS]

  don't have fur which is [TS]

  I was just you know a good you know it [TS]

  shows you how silly of your racism and [TS]

  all that stuff is because it's like you [TS]

  know whatever you're all animals are all [TS]

  animals let's just get along right and I [TS]

  like how they made one of the characters [TS]

  really wants to serve in whatever you [TS]

  know the Starfleet equivalent is and so [TS]

  he's like the first person from the [TS]

  planet at your do it [TS]

  he's like spotting he is but everybody [TS]

  hates him [TS]

  yeah I washing out this text back yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  get out of the heat and there's so much [TS]

  stuff going on like they're you know the [TS]

  talking animals and then they find you [TS]

  know a supercomputer cube and the [TS]

  elephants get on little boats when [TS]

  they're about to die and float off to [TS]

  their death but in wealthy spoilers and [TS]

  they are their death processes [TS]

  interrupted by submarine i think it is [TS]

  it's just all kinds of crazy stuff going [TS]

  on in this book and then you get the [TS]

  prophecies and the little kid who can [TS]

  you know basically talked to the planets [TS]

  and he you know he jumps people think [TS]

  he's weird and they ignore him so he can [TS]

  just kind of walk around and steal stuff [TS]

  because nobody wants to technology [TS]

  exists so he just can do whatever he [TS]

  wants [TS]

  so I think this book is a lot of yeah I [TS]

  i really loved it for a lot of the same [TS]

  reasons i like the talking about [TS]

  prophecy there's a line that actually [TS]

  highlighted which is a way you're saying [TS]

  you knew i would do this hundred years [TS]

  before I was born [TS]

  well I knew something or someone would [TS]

  precipitate a crisis are you responsible [TS]

  for this [TS]

  of course not you're just a piece on the [TS]

  board you're not playing the game [TS]

  I love that it's a and I think his [TS]

  responses what game you're crazy old [TS]

  woman who died a long time ago [TS]

  it's like he doesn't want to he doesn't [TS]

  want to deal with but but it's it so [TS]

  that the prophecy is all kinda shaky [TS]

  there's this character is a little with [TS]

  who's the daughter [TS]

  yes and she's grumpy and we we see her [TS]

  and her planet where she's been partying [TS]

  it up and then suddenly she just calls [TS]

  it was like on this assignment and and [TS]

  it's to this cold a dark cold metallic [TS]

  space station in orbit around the planet [TS]

  of the elephants and I like I thought [TS]

  that was really evocative like the the [TS]

  the contrast between this dense tree in [TS]

  a forest because the cities are in [TS]

  forest where the elephants live and and [TS]

  then you go to the two like the the [TS]

  Antarctica basically and it's miserable [TS]

  and cold and awful there and then you go [TS]

  up to this the sterile space station and [TS]

  the end of this book similar to updraft [TS]

  is has a dramatic change of a sequence [TS]

  of events that's dramatic and yet i [TS]

  bought it i guess because I felt like [TS]

  maybe with the with the whole prophecy [TS]

  thing that's going on and the fact that [TS]

  one of the characters is politically [TS]

  important from early on and and that the [TS]

  the predicament of the elephants is sort [TS]

  of artificial to begin with that they've [TS]

  kind of put wall them off on the side I [TS]

  I felt like I believed the surprising [TS]

  things that happened at the end and i I [TS]

  just I really yeah I i will remember [TS]

  images from this book for a long time [TS]

  because it is like Scott said so strange [TS]

  and so yeah things that you just think [TS]

  okay I guess we're gonna do that now all [TS]

  right then it's just enjoyable to be [TS]

  taken on that ride by writer into this [TS]

  but just and that and that it doesn't [TS]

  cheat the other thing that I think it's [TS]

  great there's a scene early on where [TS]

  they find an artifact that is from from [TS]

  the beginning of the dawn of time from [TS]

  before they can remember history and [TS]

  it's destroyed but it turns out that [TS]

  later we get to access that information [TS]

  and it explains why there are all of [TS]

  these aliens that actually seem like [TS]

  animals and that explanation is [TS]

  completely reasonable and understandable [TS]

  and you learn a sort of a secret of the [TS]

  history of the galaxy and I thought that [TS]

  was all really really great to that it [TS]

  is that in some ways it's it's a wrap [TS]

  it's a it's all wrapped in fantasy [TS]

  tropes and then you peel peel back the [TS]

  surface and you discover its science [TS]

  fiction underneath which I like [TS]

  yeah and i want to talk about the [TS]

  characters just just really alley like [TS]

  his low is adorable door and I felt like [TS]

  88 kind of wonder if the author had been [TS]

  around many six-year-olds because it [TS]

  kind of felt like a six-year-olds [TS]

  through an adult-sized and I don't know [TS]

  if that's what it was supposed to be and [TS]

  but but just just cute and creative and [TS]

  rambunctious and in trouble and a [TS]

  six-year-old you know through an [TS]

  adult-sized [TS]

  and I really really liked that and I [TS]

  also just want to say you're all the [TS]

  main character is a scholar and and he [TS]

  gets to do whatever he wants to do and [TS]

  he is he is like the main character of [TS]

  the story and we don't get that very [TS]

  often so gay for scholars and writers [TS]

  because you're yeah yeah I liked a lot [TS]

  it's unlike anything that I've ever read [TS]

  i would say and I just don't like the [TS]

  with the senator or counselor guy was [TS]

  like a yak or something yeah that i'm [TS]

  using and I like the pandas were like [TS]

  security and it just delighted me this [TS]

  whole book [TS]

  alright let's move on the the random [TS]

  novel letran next demands that we speak [TS]

  about ancillary mercy by and lucky the [TS]

  third book in the trilogy that began [TS]

  with ancillary justice winner of the [TS]

  hugo award for best novel a couple years [TS]

  back I this is a and ancillary mercy [TS]

  follows the characters that you've met [TS]

  before in an ancillary justice ancillary [TS]

  sword and takes it to more or less a [TS]

  conclusion that pays off a lot of stuff [TS]

  from the first couple of books what [TS]

  people think of ancillary mercy really [TS]

  nice if you didn't read this one no I [TS]

  powered my way through through the [TS]

  entire series while longer this year and [TS]

  I did not like the series at all i hate [TS]

  you at all i'm so sorry but I i went so [TS]

  far as to read it all and then go read [TS]

  amazon reviews trying to figure out what [TS]

  I missed because it just felt painful to [TS]

  me the entire time it was like when I [TS]

  read twilight kind of what i read [TS]

  twilight and people are like how it's [TS]

  really good you know it'sit's great [TS]

  merit of twilight and I was like I don't [TS]

  get it I don't understand what people [TS]

  like about it and that's how I felt [TS]

  about this and so when I finished I was [TS]

  like I've got to figure out what I don't [TS]

  get [TS]

  because very clearly there's something [TS]

  I'm not understanding it has like [TS]

  foreign 4.6 stars on amazon or something [TS]

  and I still don't get it like I do not [TS]

  get why people love it [TS]

  I'm yeah it's okay to not like things [TS]

  that other people [TS]

  the Americans alright it's alright for [TS]

  things to be good enough for you but I [TS]

  don't that the problem is not [TS]

  necessarily that I don't like it's that [TS]

  I don't understand why other people do [TS]

  and I'm trying to sound like you didn't [TS]

  like it they didn't like it all right [TS]

  over who liked it i like i like twilight [TS]

  too so i did like this this is another [TS]

  1i wasn't was not really looking forward [TS]

  to reading i like to answer justice but [TS]

  I wasn't particularly fond fond of [TS]

  ancillary sword and I was kind of afraid [TS]

  this was just going to be more of the [TS]

  same and if it hadn't been nominated for [TS]

  an award i'm not even sure i would have [TS]

  never gotten around to reading it but I [TS]

  felt like this was much more to my taste [TS]

  because in addition to the political [TS]

  machinations that we sort of had before [TS]

  we got some social machinations [TS]

  involving a eyes and that is what i am [TS]

  therefore in this series i love i love [TS]

  the first book so much because in [TS]

  addition to being an introduction to [TS]

  this universe it was an examination of [TS]

  what it means to be a person and what it [TS]

  no it's sort of a look at an AI from the [TS]

  inside and i love that there's some of [TS]

  that and in the middle book but I think [TS]

  much of that was framed around a [TS]

  character that I really didn't like and [TS]

  here we get to see more ships and their [TS]

  interactions with each other with people [TS]

  with a space station and i love that [TS]

  there are social differences and [TS]

  hierarchies even within the world of a [TS]

  eyes and and then you get the fight for [TS]

  your rights for a eyes and and robots [TS]

  you know that's that's hardly a new [TS]

  thing in sci-fi but I feel like the way [TS]

  it's done here is fresh and interesting [TS]

  and and tied up with galaxy-spanning [TS]

  politics and while I wasn't sure I [TS]

  wanted to read this book before i [TS]

  started it now i am interested in [TS]

  reading pretty much anything else that [TS]

  set in this universe so i guess i will [TS]

  also give a recommendation if you if you [TS]

  like this university want to read more [TS]

  there is a camera novella or novelette [TS]

  called the nail under which is set in [TS]

  the same university doesn't have any of [TS]

  the same characters but it first [TS]

  appeared in Andromeda spaceways inflight [TS]

  magazine in 2008 but it was an issue to [TS]

  of uncanny magazine last year so you can [TS]

  read it for free online [TS]

  Sean what did you think of ancillary [TS]

  mercy so I really love the ancillary [TS]

  series altogether [TS]

  I these books are like my jam [TS]

  they're just really good i taught [TS]

  ancillary justice in the fall and just [TS]

  had a blast teaching that book was a lot [TS]

  of fun i will agree that ancillary sword [TS]

  is not as strong and I think that answer [TS]

  mercy is actually a stronger booked an [TS]

  ancillary sword and I think part of it [TS]

  is what Erica you were suggesting which [TS]

  is that it really digs into this [TS]

  question of self for personhood for [TS]

  breakfast in particular at this book [TS]

  felt to me and and I had been awhile [TS]

  since our finances are stored so maybe [TS]

  I'm totally off base but it felt to me [TS]

  like this was a wreck at his or her most [TS]

  vulnerable i get to be careful there [TS]

  because there are the pronoun issues you [TS]

  can either they're there is ok there at [TS]

  all there isn't using the book at all [TS]

  right there is not using the book so [TS]

  they would be book she [TS]

  yeah but yeah but any case um yeah I i [TS]

  love the vulnerability for the character [TS]

  in this particular book i also liked how [TS]

  let's be honest I find the pressure to [TS]

  be like the the funniest alien species i [TS]

  have read in a long time I kept cracking [TS]

  up every time that Prescott was asking [TS]

  about eggs and just want to get eggs [TS]

  once the fish sauce fish sauce and eggs [TS]

  and I'm just like this is like these [TS]

  books have never really been funny right [TS]

  that they've always been kind of that [TS]

  they've got this kind of dark almost not [TS]

  quite grim darkie but little that dark [TS]

  tone to it and suddenly this book was [TS]

  just every time the pressure said [TS]

  something I just was just laughing [TS]

  because it's always funny the press [TS]

  corps weird and it's wonderful and it [TS]

  brings some joy to this book so I [TS]

  overall I just I really love that I love [TS]

  the plot in the idea i like how it sort [TS]

  of brings us to a conclusion for the [TS]

  series based entirely on what was the [TS]

  big concern that wasn't I think fully [TS]

  addressed and silver justice which is [TS]

  who is brac can a ship and AI ship [TS]

  become a person and what does that mean [TS]

  in the context of a universe of sort of [TS]

  xenophobic crazy clone mutated humans [TS]

  yeah you know my eyes is insane [TS]

  both versions all versions [TS]

  fit her ash that's part gets the Emperor [TS]

  amazing yes the Emperor the the two [TS]

  different versions of the Emperor [TS]

  warring this is this the problem with [TS]

  ancillary mercy is that I'm so excited [TS]

  but it came out i pre-ordered it and I [TS]

  read it immediately when it came out [TS]

  which means there's nothing of what [TS]

  happens it although looking at my [TS]

  Goodreads I gave it five stars so I like [TS]

  this when i read it and as i miss the [TS]

  big g two people talk about things are [TS]

  coming back to mind so like the tea set [TS]

  they find floaty and this technology and [TS]

  it kind of pays off i think this book [TS]

  because they find this tea set and all [TS]

  kinds of stuff happens and you know it [TS]

  means something and then destroyed [TS]

  Hawkins that was in this book right [TS]

  there is not yet another book yeah good [TS]

  yeah i was getting my books mix up so i [TS]

  really liked it i think Jason you've [TS]

  talked about this before how she kind of [TS]

  and lucky the first book is kind of you [TS]

  know a huge scope and then it seems to [TS]

  describe seems to focus more and more as [TS]

  the trilogy goes on which is an [TS]

  interesting choice and so but i enjoyed [TS]

  yeah it it starts out you think that [TS]

  it's going to be this really wide wide [TS]

  wide screen epic about the the overthrow [TS]

  of this Empire and these these two [TS]

  different warring versions of the [TS]

  Emperor and in ancillary sword it's a [TS]

  smaller story i always joke that the end [TS]

  of ancillary justice is setting up star [TS]

  trek the next generation but ancillary [TS]

  sword is deep space nine they spent all [TS]

  the time kind of on a on a space station [TS]

  instead of on their ship and ancillary [TS]

  mercy I was also surprised because I [TS]

  thought perhaps we have left the station [TS]

  behind and would tell another story and [TS]

  instead they go back to the station and [TS]

  the whole book takes place once again [TS]

  with these characters around this space [TS]

  station but what happens in the third [TS]

  book is that you get that little through [TS]

  the cracks you get the sense of what's [TS]

  happening what's the backstory why you [TS]

  know why is this all happening and [TS]

  what's going on in the rest of the [TS]

  Empire so you do in that way i feel like [TS]

  the mistakes rise in the third book or [TS]

  at least your awareness of the stakes in [TS]

  improves that uh when you're talking [TS]

  about a eyes and what they mean and you [TS]

  know are they able to make these [TS]

  decisions on their own and and what what [TS]

  are the ramifications for the whole [TS]

  Imperial Raj I think that's all really [TS]

  interesting and I i like the payoffs I [TS]

  feel like this is a book that that uh on [TS]

  its own it's fine but it you know she is [TS]

  and Lackey is bringing a lot of the [TS]

  character beats a lot of the the the the [TS]

  things that happened at the end of this [TS]

  are paying off our knowledge of these [TS]

  characters over the at least a book if [TS]

  not two books and I think that's really [TS]

  strong that that I'm it's much stronger [TS]

  because it's a third book and that it's [TS]

  using our knowledge of these characters [TS]

  effectively so i liked it i didn't i [TS]

  didn't love it I you know I think the [TS]

  first novel is vastly superior to both [TS]

  of the the the next to it does not that [TS]

  they're bad but that the first one had a [TS]

  telescope and a and a and I don't know [TS]

  an originality to it that the these feel [TS]

  a little less like to have but but still [TS]

  I thought it was good that was well done [TS]

  and I like this universe and I like I i [TS]

  agree with Sean the the whole thing with [TS]

  the ambassador [TS]

  we haven't actually met the press corps [TS]

  right it's just they date like raise [TS]

  humans themselves and then send those [TS]

  back to us to be their ambassadors [TS]

  back to us to be their ambassadors [TS]

  and they aren't very good at translators [TS]

  yeah they're not very good as humans we [TS]

  don't know who they are no trouble with [TS]

  their own identities [TS]

  yeah it's kind of hilarious and yet [TS]

  brilliant in that way so yeah so I [TS]

  thought it was good into the to the [TS]

  trilogy and I liked it but but you know [TS]

  not as strong as the first 1i think yeah [TS]

  I think maybe stronger than second [TS]

  although some of them might just be my [TS]

  expectations i really expected to go in [TS]

  a different direction that it did and it [TS]

  turns out this is a story she wants to [TS]

  tell about brac and everybody you know [TS]

  instead of Arden and and two-star want [TS]

  and I you these characters that we focus [TS]

  in on and not about like how the how the [TS]

  Civil War of this Empire is going to be [TS]

  seen in a you know in a big on a big [TS]

  screen [TS]

  it's not about that is really going to [TS]

  read one read the first three the first [TS]

  one [TS]

  also it'll make more sense history maybe [TS]

  the third one and then read the second [TS]

  yeah that would be a crack and fresh [TS]

  yeah like chronological at all no all [TS]

  right let's move on the random but Ron [TS]

  says next we should discuss the grace of [TS]

  kings by ken loo who would like to talk [TS]

  about the grace of kings [TS]

  please not even the grace of key please [TS]

  not any ideas that so that so this is [TS]

  the book that I i attempted but did not [TS]

  finish i abandoned grace of Kings seem [TS]

  that will tell you where I rank it out [TS]

  of seven it would be number seven [TS]

  but yeah yeah I'm going there [TS]

  ok that's it this is not the one that I [TS]

  didn't finish i did finish it out [TS]

  I almost stopped a couple of times it it [TS]

  it but i ended up i ended up quite [TS]

  enjoying it but it took me awhile to get [TS]

  into it and I think Sean is going to say [TS]

  too long and i'm going to agree one [TS]

  hundred percent with that if he does but [TS]

  it is it's it's not exactly my kind of [TS]

  book which is something that I just sort [TS]

  of realized early on and and decided to [TS]

  go with anyway it is very much a story [TS]

  of events [TS]

  this is a recounting of a great upheaval [TS]

  in the history of a land so there are a [TS]

  lot of characters but I didn't feel like [TS]

  I was getting to know any of them very [TS]

  well nobody had much of an inner life it [TS]

  was it was a lot more like [TS]

  leading characters in a fairytale who [TS]

  are just doing things you know which [TS]

  ones are good you know which ones are [TS]

  bad for the most part you know which [TS]

  ones doubt themselves but I didn't feel [TS]

  like I knew most of the characters and [TS]

  the few that i did I don't really care [TS]

  about very much but but by the end i was [TS]

  interested in the events and and I was [TS]

  quite fascinated by this book's [TS]

  treatment of women i didn't feel like [TS]

  there were enough female characters for [TS]

  me to really really get into it but [TS]

  there are paragraphs and exchanges that [TS]

  made me want to stand up and Cheer this [TS]

  this is very much not a world in which [TS]

  women and men are are simply equal but [TS]

  the women in this story have exactly as [TS]

  much in her life and agency as the men [TS]

  do which you know the inner life not so [TS]

  much but women are not taken to task for [TS]

  operating within the boundaries of the [TS]

  society that they live in which was kind [TS]

  of nice there's there's one nice [TS]

  exchange between two of the female [TS]

  characters soto angea in which g is [TS]

  hesitant to try to influence her husband [TS]

  to do something because quote unquote [TS]

  received wisdom tells her that it's [TS]

  improper and soto turns around and [TS]

  points out that their society simply [TS]

  won't allow her to become a statesman [TS]

  herself or take to the battlefield you [TS]

  can't do any of these male roles so why [TS]

  shouldn't she be able to use the only [TS]

  power society has left her which I [TS]

  thought was kind of a nice little point [TS]

  and it you know she says sure society in [TS]

  the ancient texts would look down on on [TS]

  you for that but those ancient texts are [TS]

  simply another way of subjugating women [TS]

  so I like that the book recognized that [TS]

  it treated women kinda loudly like this [TS]

  society did and eventually we there is a [TS]

  female character that totally blocks the [TS]

  system but honestly I feel like that [TS]

  ends up mostly being in the negative [TS]

  column for me because if you are still [TS]

  introducing new characters with fullback [TS]

  stories on page four hundred that is a [TS]

  problem in my eyes so so that was so [TS]

  while i ended up liking that character I [TS]

  was kind of annoyed that we were getting [TS]

  somebody brand-new that I was supposed [TS]

  to like that late in the game and then [TS]

  there's also a really interesting and [TS]

  straightforward discussion of polyamory [TS]

  that was very non-judgmental not [TS]

  judgmental and quite lovely so I felt [TS]

  like [TS]

  there were a lot of of bits and pieces [TS]

  in this book that I quite enjoyed you [TS]

  know social commentary type things but [TS]

  the story itself just sort of right out [TS]

  like a an overly long fairy tale which [TS]

  by the end I enjoyed but it's pretty far [TS]

  down my list as far as the ones that i [TS]

  liked of these Scott this is I I looking [TS]

  at my Goodreads once again I consult the [TS]

  back of train exactly i gave this [TS]

  five-star so clearly i like it and uh [TS]

  this is kind of a book that appeals to [TS]

  me once i started reading it I knew that [TS]

  I was going to like it because I do like [TS]

  these stories where the characters are [TS]

  just kind of cogs in the gears of [TS]

  history and every so once in a while [TS]

  they try to you know to push out from [TS]

  their boundaries and try to affect [TS]

  events so i agree with Erica that it's a [TS]

  lot of kind of recounting events and [TS]

  battles and battle plans and mechanical [TS]

  whales and other American didn't mention [TS]

  this but I there and so just kind of [TS]

  like it spoke to me reminded me a lot of [TS]

  KJ Parker's the engineer trilogy which [TS]

  is the story about this guy who really [TS]

  wants to get his revenge he sets off [TS]

  this elaborate kind of revenge plot and [TS]

  it run me that just because the events [TS]

  kind of happened there are two main [TS]

  characters and they they're both trying [TS]

  to you know through different means [TS]

  recreate this empire that falls like in [TS]

  the first maybe 200 pages of the book [TS]

  energy forever is a long book so i [TS]

  really liked it appeals to me on that [TS]

  level it's not everybody's cup of tea [TS]

  clearly because there are lots of [TS]

  characters and lots of stuff happening [TS]

  that surely could have been cut out but [TS]

  i enjoyed and I think can lose a really [TS]

  good writer so I enjoyed the whole thing [TS]

  Sean you suffer than so yes Erika you [TS]

  are correct that i am going to say that [TS]

  good god this book is too long too long [TS]

  this they look to be totally Frank when [TS]

  I look at the books i'm staring at them [TS]

  right now and they all have very [TS]

  beautiful covers but all of these books [TS]

  could do with cutting minimum 15 [TS]

  changes some cases upwards of two to [TS]

  three hundred pages could go you can [TS]

  guess which books need to lose those [TS]

  crazy Kings i really like this book and [TS]

  I understand why is because i had some [TS]

  difficulty getting into it as well I I [TS]

  felt like where the book should have had [TS]

  its meat sometimes it left them out like [TS]

  there would be scenes where like a [TS]

  chapter would end it's like and by the [TS]

  way they beat the battle and they just [TS]

  wanted and then they went and had tea [TS]

  and I'm like what but you just set this [TS]

  whole chapter up was leading us to the [TS]

  battle and then you'd like let you know [TS]

  what what happened like depend who died [TS]

  who lived right what we have done went [TS]

  on in this whole scenario is that we [TS]

  don't need to know that so it I felt [TS]

  like at times think there are some [TS]

  choices that I think I don't think i [TS]

  would have made if I were a legitimate [TS]

  writer and with getting published like [TS]

  ken loo just in terms of what was not [TS]

  shown versus what was shown and there [TS]

  was just a lot going on and I think [TS]

  you're right Erica like introducing [TS]

  characters so far into the book is sort [TS]

  of like no we just we need like I should [TS]

  deal with the character speak at first [TS]

  like let's get them to an end point and [TS]

  if there's a second book then you can [TS]

  introduce this other person i will say [TS]

  that this book does tho have some super [TS]

  memorable scenes i did overall enjoy it [TS]

  the scene eric already brought up that [TS]

  scene ism is really amazing and the one [TS]

  that actually the Technic the sort of [TS]

  early counters with gia when she's sort [TS]

  of like pissing off her suitors and her [TS]

  mom's getting so mad at her cause she's [TS]

  like like go write me a poem and like [TS]

  this like guy goes and writes a poem and [TS]

  it's terrible and she's like write a [TS]

  poem on the spot insulting him and he [TS]

  runs away and a half and I just like I [TS]

  loved her attitude and the character it [TS]

  it was a lot of fun to read her [TS]

  character now when she was actually [TS]

  there and I also like the general who [TS]

  had like his kite battle which is this [TS]

  the most insane thing just to imagine [TS]

  just up there floating around and it's [TS]

  like bring it on and then he said John [TS]

  like ninja style in the sky it was [TS]

  really cool so I mean overall I really [TS]

  did enjoy it but I do great like it's [TS]

  just there [TS]

  there's there's meat that needed to go [TS]

  well no I would say fat fat needs to go [TS]

  there needs to be some some of that and [TS]

  maybe some areas could have done with [TS]

  more beat just to give us a little bit [TS]

  more it seems like again because there [TS]

  aren't personalities to latch onto into [TS]

  to kinda endear myself too i'm having [TS]

  not really really hard time with it and [TS]

  and yeah i'm i'm a very people driven [TS]

  person I'm not like a war stories driven [TS]

  person so it just might not be for me [TS]

  yeah yeah well I is there i agree with [TS]

  you uh I IE i have i have some serious [TS]

  problems with the way this book is [TS]

  structured because essentially he [TS]

  introduced us to a lot of characters ok [TS]

  that's fine he said it's a very set up a [TS]

  very interesting a world interesting [TS]

  history you have the the you know this [TS]

  these disparate kingdoms that are kind [TS]

  of brought together into this one empire [TS]

  but then the the Emperor dies and things [TS]

  fall apart and there's a war to decide [TS]

  who's going to be in charge of it and [TS]

  that's all very interesting and I'm okay [TS]

  with tracking lots of characters out [TS]

  there were a lot of really interesting [TS]

  characters that we meet along the way [TS]

  but this book tends to do this thing [TS]

  where it just is constantly it's just [TS]

  choppy it's choppy there are speed bumps [TS]

  constantly where you end up with you [TS]

  know you're following these characters [TS]

  and your phone thread there a lot of [TS]

  characters but it's ok you're going to [TS]

  be able to hold it together and then he [TS]

  just sets off on it's literally like let [TS]

  me take you over to my table over here [TS]

  where I'm staging a naval battle and i'm [TS]

  going to tell you where all the ships go [TS]

  and we're going to zoom out all the way [TS]

  away from the characters and because hey [TS]

  who doesn't like describing made-up ship [TS]

  battles that have that did never happen [TS]

  but are are in great detail for this [TS]

  book and it's actually one of the [TS]

  reasons that i dislike so much military [TS]

  science fiction is that the author seems [TS]

  to be just so enamored with the [TS]

  specifics of the thing that he's [TS]

  invented and I don't care and that [TS]

  happened repeatedly in this book to the [TS]

  point i tried three times to pick this [TS]

  back up and read it and I couldn't do it [TS]

  because every time we would get [TS]

  somewhere would be like yes we're back [TS]

  to the characters and we're gonna see [TS]

  how all this affects them we would then [TS]

  then go to another zoom out giant battle [TS]

  strange shorthand where sometimes you a [TS]

  as was previously said you expect things [TS]

  to have [TS]

  ok we set this all up now we're going to [TS]

  see what happens and instead it's just [TS]

  skip [TS]

  dover like oh but that's not important [TS]

  and then something else that doesn't [TS]

  seem important at all or could be read [TS]

  related to characters we care about in a [TS]

  shorthand to explain what happened that [TS]

  are instead given this huge scale and [TS]

  scope like I'm reading a supplemental [TS]

  material for a role-playing game or [TS]

  something like that so no offense to [TS]

  supplemental material was gonna say [TS]

  supplemental material is a great great [TS]

  way to put it because i think i think i [TS]

  had that thought as well that I ended up [TS]

  scamming a lot of those battle scenes [TS]

  you were talking about yeah i did have [TS]

  the thought which I had forgotten about [TS]

  until you said that while I was reading [TS]

  it that I wish that there had been some [TS]

  appendices to the book you know I [TS]

  would've been fine with having all of [TS]

  that information available to readers [TS]

  who are in love with this world and want [TS]

  to delve into it and and find out all [TS]

  that stuff but some of the history and a [TS]

  lot of the battles I i thought would [TS]

  have made great appendices 44 detail [TS]

  hounds whereas you know people like me [TS]

  who really care more about the people [TS]

  could maybe get through it more easily [TS]

  yeah I think I think it's think the [TS]

  battles that are here to cut those back [TS]

  and put more focus on some of the sort [TS]

  of diplomacy scenes and then actually [TS]

  give us some meaty battles that really [TS]

  that way it's sort of like a build-up we [TS]

  get this kind of build up to actual [TS]

  battles and we have to see the [TS]

  characters being developed in all the [TS]

  all the rest of I think that would be [TS]

  much stronger because I I do feel like [TS]

  the best moments in the book has nothing [TS]

  to do with battles with the exception of [TS]

  the general kite guy which I have I will [TS]

  remember that for a very long time [TS]

  because it i want to see that in a movie [TS]

  someday but I had some of the most [TS]

  memorable scenes are scenes where it's [TS]

  it's not characters talking about war or [TS]

  in war it's about sort of the culture [TS]

  it's the scene erica was raising right [TS]

  about discussing the role of women it's [TS]

  GF screwing with her suitors it's the [TS]

  people together talking about their [TS]

  future children of those those scenes I [TS]

  felt worth those are much better scenes [TS]

  and i would have liked more of those two [TS]

  sort of have that at it would maybe it's [TS]

  just because I'm a SAP and I just kind [TS]

  of want some more romance in this book [TS]

  no I don't think I want more of anything [TS]

  in this book but i do think it would [TS]

  have been a better book if they had just [TS]

  taken out a [TS]

  I'll some of the scenes that are the [TS]

  zoom back and let me tell you about this [TS]

  naval battle and things like that and [TS]

  just didn't have them but I guess Erica [TS]

  that is one way to approach this book [TS]

  which is to just do a lot of skimming [TS]

  and I didn't do that and that's why i [TS]

  could never get through it i feel bad [TS]

  air [TS]

  I don't abandon books very often but no [TS]

  Jason it's okay we still love you you [TS]

  know that short man yeah it's been [TS]

  reading the books you don't want to read [TS]

  yes God told me to stop twice before I [TS]

  find license to women don't put it on if [TS]

  you're not you know if you don't like a [TS]

  book just stop reading but I think the [TS]

  problem is that i liked it enough to [TS]

  keep going for a while and then I would [TS]

  just hit these speed bumps be like why [TS]

  am I reading this [TS]

  yeah I know what that's like that's why [TS]

  i started the audiobooks no let's move [TS]

  on and talk about raising Cain move [TS]

  third book in the tales of the Terran [TS]

  Republic starring Kane Reardon also [TS]

  referred to in the for the past two [TS]

  years when we talked about the two [TS]

  previous books in this trilogy as Johnny [TS]

  square jaw super amazing guy came rear [TS]

  who's good at everything and everybody [TS]

  loves him and what do I have to do to [TS]

  stop reading these books [TS]

  well I think maybe just do you just need [TS]

  to be able to stop it life's too short [TS]

  hand maybe Jason needs to tell you to [TS]

  stop twice the completest yeah that's [TS]

  why I powered through it is because i've [TS]

  read the first two books and I was [TS]

  halfway through when I thought you know [TS]

  I just get to the end of this trilogy I [TS]

  really should probably do that and so I [TS]

  did and so I got to the end what it [TS]

  wanted what people think of raising cane [TS]

  cane I should I explain it yeah I should [TS]

  explain it this is the third book in the [TS]

  series is about this verb in the galaxy [TS]

  there are a bunch of alien races but it [TS]

  turns out in the last book of the series [TS]

  the book to that one of the alien races [TS]

  is not in a like an iron lung because [TS]

  they've got weird but weird chemistry [TS]

  but in fact I swear they're humans who [TS]

  what who were taken from the earth or [TS]

  something like that a long time ago and [TS]

  have gone off on their own and they've [TS]

  got all a whole like martial culture and [TS]

  they're mean and and they don't have [TS]

  love and they're they're genetically [TS]

  engineered and they are for those who [TS]

  read lois mcmaster bujold they're [TS]

  basically to see the Candance it's kind [TS]

  of a lift from see ganda [TS]

  they're very similar in so many ways [TS]

  except with less art they don't have as [TS]

  much of funky sculpture as the seeghe [TS]

  and ins but there any of the apps but [TS]

  they are our families intertwined dinner [TS]

  breeding and genetic engineering is key [TS]

  and what they do and they're very much [TS]

  focused on their on their uh you know [TS]

  wars and internal power struggles and we [TS]

  spend a lot of time with them in raising [TS]

  Cain like half the book is through the [TS]

  perspective of these newly introduced [TS]

  characters with confusing names who are [TS]

  kind of unpleasant yeah yeah the other [TS]

  half is a cane reared and having a you [TS]

  know super smart professional people [TS]

  start to explain something and then him [TS]

  say no no let me guess [TS]

  and then he gets it exactly right there [TS]

  like amazing cake Reardon be so amazing [TS]

  i didn't ya i have many issues let it [TS]

  out [TS]

  yeah well you can you can bounce things [TS]

  I'm sure that some of these world with [TS]

  it with you yeah this is a book that [TS]

  easily could be 200 pages shorter you [TS]

  just took out every scene where it [TS]

  explain something we don't need for [TS]

  example the great of the one that stuck [TS]

  with me because it's the point which I [TS]

  actually stopped in the book with and [TS]

  and then I'll explain later where I [TS]

  should have checked out but I didn't I [TS]

  there's a moment when the like this [TS]

  right robotic alien guy is explaining [TS]

  what these weird spin diliman mille [TS]

  floating Skeeter hug monsters are and is [TS]

  explaining like the whole evolutionary [TS]

  cycle and their reproduction cycle like [TS]

  everything about them and my spot is [TS]

  likely why there are you running you [TS]

  just crash landed your ship you're [TS]

  running away from people who want to [TS]

  kill you [TS]

  why are you talking about the skier but [TS]

  just get on it just get on it and go to [TS]

  the place you need to go and hurry up [TS]

  you just spent like six hours talking [TS]

  about Skeeter bug giant Skeeter bug [TS]

  who's got like a penis in its ankle or [TS]

  whatever happened and now and now like [TS]

  in the whole time Reardon you're dying [TS]

  you're dying because like you can't [TS]

  breathe this crazy air lot of showing [TS]

  your work a lot of showing your work in [TS]

  fact I i highlighted past the book I [TS]

  like highlighted passage that i'd like [TS]

  to read to you now Sean I think you'll [TS]

  really enjoy this half a day before [TS]

  monoliths shifted out an Aboriginal [TS]

  craft shifted in near planet to it was [TS]

  an eric or prize they seized during the [TS]

  fleet actions in Sigma Draconis our [TS]

  servers on board the tow co shift [TS]

  carrier already orbiting planet to the [TS]

  guy an ass qu learned of these last [TS]

  rithi invitation from that price ship [TS]

  they relayed the news to us using a [TS]

  trickle code protocol single seemingly [TS]

  random signals sent over the course of [TS]

  several hours he pointed to GJ 1230 so [TS]

  knowing that these envoys are making 4 [TS]

  beta equal a we can be relatively [TS]

  certain that they must pass through this [TS]

  system or one slightly further along [TS]

  there are whole chapters like this [TS]

  people [TS]

  whoa yes I read the book I have no idea [TS]

  what that means it's it's like their [TS]

  point in the Bookroom like I'm really [TS]

  digging this like yeah there's a lot of [TS]

  fun right now like there's some stuff [TS]

  going on this is fun and that it's like [TS]

  to go ahead as you know Bob there [TS]

  yesterday that's happening mr. board and [TS]

  brew and as you know i am reading yes i [TS]

  dunno i know all the things that has let [TS]

  me see instead of you how did you know [TS]

  and he wouldn't be so bad if like they [TS]

  were if the only time they did that was [TS]

  they were explaining things that were [TS]

  kind of pertinent to what was happening [TS]

  at that moment but like this this [TS]

  particular book was the one that bugs me [TS]

  the most of all of his books because I i [TS]

  do enjoy his books but this one is [TS]

  really bugging me it's because he [TS]

  explains things that we don't need to [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah we did we showing the work right I [TS]

  put a lot of work into this thing so I'm [TS]

  gonna make you understand how much work [TS]

  I put into it but it's not even like [TS]

  it's yes it is like showing your work [TS]

  but it's like showing the work that like [TS]

  you you're like giving us your cliff [TS]

  notes like for your own world and like [TS]

  you just threw them in there like I have [TS]

  a character say this that should go as [TS]

  dropping i love it that's not the point [TS]

  at which i almost checked out for this [TS]

  book the moment I always checked out was [TS]

  when Dora the Explorer showed up [TS]

  I'm not even joking yeah it's true [TS]

  there's a reference to dora the explorer [TS]

  and this is set some 200 years in the [TS]

  future and I'm sorry but nobody's gonna [TS]

  freaking remember Dora the Explorer 200 [TS]

  years they are not have that same sorry [TS]

  i had that same thought you could it was [TS]

  as if he was explaining to somebody from [TS]

  30 years it was like as if it was set 30 [TS]

  years from now and no yeah it wasn't [TS]

  used to be this kitchen but it's [TS]

  hundreds of years in the future might [TS]

  just make something up [TS]

  yeah it's like it's [TS]

  uncle the ninja dude and like that's [TS]

  what I look like I look like Blanca and [TS]

  tell me what drunken that's what I [TS]

  Swiper no swiping reference seriously [TS]

  yeah seriously there there's some stuff [TS]

  where it's like GE I don't believe you [TS]

  know what the future is yet and you need [TS]

  to maybe spend more time on the internet [TS]

  because it will help [TS]

  Erika Eileen did you did you look at [TS]

  this book or just no hassle no i haven't [TS]

  read the first two just left to stone [TS]

  and just forget it [TS]

  I mean look at the title yeah okay oh [TS]

  it's it's a partner named with guys on [TS]

  these were charged it and they're doing [TS]

  pretty pretty good [TS]

  um I i did try to read this book I [TS]

  didn't they didn't have it at the [TS]

  American public library but i was able [TS]

  to go to the trouble of getting an [TS]

  interlibrary loan to try to read this [TS]

  book I'd finished all the rest of them I [TS]

  was like you know i'm just going to go [TS]

  for it and I'm going to read this one [TS]

  even though it's the third book in a [TS]

  series you know it's i will i will let [TS]

  that go and if there's stuff that goes [TS]

  over my head [TS]

  that's that's fine but i think the [TS]

  paragraph that you read their Jason [TS]

  illustrates why is like mm I think this [TS]

  is not for me i don't think i even made [TS]

  it through two chapters before I just [TS]

  said nope life's too short and I put it [TS]

  down and I feel very good about that [TS]

  decision so i've only read these three [TS]

  books by Charles canon but what I'll say [TS]

  is i really like the I i really like the [TS]

  first half of the first book I actually [TS]

  kind of like the whole first book [TS]

  because it although it was weird as we [TS]

  said two years ago in that it has these [TS]

  great tonal shifts where you originally [TS]

  think it's going to be almost like an [TS]

  Indiana Jones space archaeologists kind [TS]

  of book almost like one of the like a [TS]

  jack mcdevitt Alex Benedict kind of book [TS]

  where he discovers these aliens on this [TS]

  planet and and there's evidence that [TS]

  they've been there a long time they come [TS]

  back in this book actually it's kind of [TS]

  a nice bookend at the end they come back [TS]

  and and that's pretty cool and then and [TS]

  he sort of gets swept up in events and [TS]

  there's this whole kind of like enclave [TS]

  of aliens from all over the galaxy who [TS]

  are trying to understand who the humans [TS]

  are and what they should do with them [TS]

  and that's kind of interesting in a [TS]

  different way it's almost like a David [TS]

  Brenner or john scalzi kind of a kind of [TS]

  vibe to it i thought was you know a [TS]

  mishmash but really interesting kind of [TS]

  stuff and and here's the funny thing [TS]

  about this I powered through and i kinda [TS]

  like the last third or have two third of [TS]

  this book because I really think again [TS]

  and is very good at his eyes show is [TS]

  work too much but like I appreciated how [TS]

  he created these alien races and they [TS]

  all have very weird and interesting so [TS]

  social views and societies societies [TS]

  that he's built i think is I think his [TS]

  background world-building of who these [TS]

  aliens are in this galaxy is actually [TS]

  pretty good I think I thought it was uh [TS]

  I think you once you get far enough [TS]

  along you start to see like oh you did [TS]

  put in a lot of work on under a bun on [TS]

  who these aliens are and how they work [TS]

  and and I thought it paid off at that [TS]

  point that work that he did the problem [TS]

  is that the book that I think he's [TS]

  writing is not the book he's writing [TS]

  because he he's writing a book about an [TS]

  amazing military and political leader [TS]

  named Kate Reardon and a lot of tactical [TS]

  and and hardware detail about the [TS]

  engagements that are going on i think [TS]

  the end where there's this whole action [TS]

  set piece that set down on a planet and [TS]

  they're there are a limited number of [TS]

  people on the planet and then the the [TS]

  attackers come down and then there's [TS]

  sort of another force that's trying to [TS]

  do this desperate maneuver to get down [TS]

  to give them some backup [TS]

  I thought it was actually really well [TS]

  done and was exciting and interesting it [TS]

  is sort of like a Rambo on an alien [TS]

  planet because there's just a lot of [TS]

  gunfire but I thought it was pretty well [TS]

  done and and that he kept the trilogy [TS]

  kind of well by going back to the planet [TS]

  where it started for this sort of key [TS]

  bit of information about how the aliens [TS]

  on that planet are connected to these [TS]

  other aliens that we've been dealing [TS]

  dealing with the whole series so i [TS]

  actually found the last third of it [TS]

  pretty good last half to third but i [TS]

  like the problem with the entire second [TS]

  book the first half of this book is so [TS]

  much explanation and detail and about [TS]

  other things that I just don't care [TS]

  about especially like the military [TS]

  hardware and details of the cast tactics [TS]

  and this whole other race they are the [TS]

  not the record though I don't even [TS]

  remember what they are but that the ones [TS]

  were in cheney the ones the ones that [TS]

  were the humans that are pretending to [TS]

  be something else and they're not [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  um and I they have that they don't care [TS]

  about them they're jerks and they're not [TS]

  good villains they're just [TS]

  and boring villains so yeah so I'm [TS]

  conflicted i actually got to the point [TS]

  where i was forcing myself to get [TS]

  through it and I kind of broke through [TS]

  to a place where I I i actually liked [TS]

  the last part of this book but it was [TS]

  kind of too late [TS]

  are you sure it wasn't Stockholm [TS]

  Syndrome I i am actually it was funny [TS]

  uated it brought me I I thought about it [TS]

  Erica I thought about it but it reminded [TS]

  me of the first part of the first book [TS]

  so it's like I you know when they're [TS]

  down on that planet you know when he's [TS]

  dealing with the there's there's a [TS]

  really nice like that they're landing on [TS]

  the planet and their these like strange [TS]

  like elephant like creatures that live [TS]

  in the river and one of them sort of [TS]

  saves can reared in accidentally and and [TS]

  I thought all that stuff was actually [TS]

  pretty good it was just all of the [TS]

  orbital mechanics that get to that point [TS]

  where they're on the planet that made me [TS]

  want to throw the book away it's still [TS]

  not very good but I parts of it i [TS]

  thought were pretty good [TS]

  unfortunately the last half of the third [TS]

  book of the trilogy is a bad place to [TS]

  get to really get it together it's like [TS]

  this second but better [TS]

  I don't see how people like these books [TS]

  I just don't think they're good yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I i guess but that's my [TS]

  that's my problem is is that he's trying [TS]

  to do something like it like I said he's [TS]

  trying to do a book that I don't want to [TS]

  read and the part except part of it is [TS]

  the book I want to read but it's not the [TS]

  part that he seems to want to focus much [TS]

  most of his attention on he likes cake [TS]

  rooted cocaine written talking about [TS]

  don't you talk about your perfect [TS]

  character who has no flaws it's ken [TS]

  rudin his only flaw is that he has no [TS]

  flaws [TS]

  mr. he cares too much here's to no money [TS]

  yeah I had giant scatterbug he does he [TS]

  does his heart is too big it actually [TS]

  has its it's a physiological problem is [TS]

  a large party passes out of time [TS]

  ok the the random tron made our next [TS]

  book our seventh and final book of this [TS]

  podcast the winner uprooted by Naomi [TS]

  Novik know you've known often for her [TS]

  out her series of books about dragons [TS]

  this is not about dragons although it [TS]

  starts out [TS]

  amusingly with a character called the [TS]

  dragon who you are as to assume as a [TS]

  dragon until you realize it is not a [TS]

  dragon it is [TS]

  just a guy this is a story about this is [TS]

  a again a fantasy story there i said it [TS]

  about a young girl in the village who [TS]

  finds a was taken away by wizard and is [TS]

  taught about magic and learns about the [TS]

  dark forces that are kind of conspiring [TS]

  to threaten her home and the entire [TS]

  valley where she grew up as well as some [TS]

  interesting things about the wider world [TS]

  in which she lives and that's uprooted [TS]

  what people think of uprooted yay i'm at [TS]

  this point it was it it was very close [TS]

  to being my favorite was kind of back [TS]

  and forth i didn't know if this was my [TS]

  favorite or not so I was I was quite [TS]

  pleased when this one because I just [TS]

  loved the book i could see i could see [TS]

  very early on what kind of story it was [TS]

  going to be it was this you know hapless [TS]

  nobody has great powers and doesn't [TS]

  realize it and then learns to use those [TS]

  powers under the tutelage of a great [TS]

  magician [TS]

  so from the very first chapter i knew i [TS]

  was going to enjoy the book [TS]

  even if the book itself stocked be just [TS]

  because i love that kind of story so [TS]

  much and i will cut it a lot of slack [TS]

  that I won't cut other types of stories [TS]

  but what I didn't know what [TS]

  but what I I didn't know after chapel [TS]

  chapter one and then discovered later to [TS]

  my delight was that this is it was an [TS]

  excellent example of this kind of book [TS]

  because I thought she turned the tropes [TS]

  on their ears just enough to keep it [TS]

  interesting but not enough to make it a [TS]

  different kind of story would still that [TS]

  basic story so for example her mentor [TS]

  turns out to not be a very good mentor [TS]

  and she ends up having to actually teach [TS]

  herself and figure things out on her own [TS]

  for the most part and you know the [TS]

  mentor then end up learning a little [TS]

  something from her as well of course [TS]

  that second part there is kind of [TS]

  standard but but but I enjoyed that it [TS]

  was it was a thing that I love done in a [TS]

  slightly different way which is great [TS]

  and I adored the magic at one of the [TS]

  things that that gets me the most about [TS]

  good fantasy book is having a system of [TS]

  magic that appeals to me and stays [TS]

  consistent and works throughout the [TS]

  course of the blog and in this case I [TS]

  thought that was that was kind of great [TS]

  this there's a spooky forest and there's [TS]

  something evil at its heart you get [TS]

  different kinds of magic practitioners [TS]

  and a whole bunch of bureaucracy in the [TS]

  capital that surrounds everything [TS]

  including the magic [TS]

  and even took one of my other favorite [TS]

  story tropes and nested it within this [TS]

  one which is the the plane country [TS]

  dweller who has to go to the big city [TS]

  and then is baffled by the the different [TS]

  pace in the style of life there [TS]

  I mean just really it was one thing that [TS]

  I love on top of another on top of [TS]

  another so yeah I love it [TS]

  anybody else Selena I liked it but I [TS]

  have problematic spoilers so I thought [TS]

  his body than when I have a new podcast [TS]

  and i'll try to talk around didn't be [TS]

  gentle [TS]

  it's a it's a little one so i might just [TS]

  barrel ahead and you can send me or hate [TS]

  me all its fine I don't care and it's a [TS]

  letter if you can stop with me if the [TS]

  radars quality answer so I liked I liked [TS]

  all the things that Erica talked about [TS]

  it there is a really strong theme of [TS]

  friendship and and belief in sisterhood [TS]

  like believing in one another and [TS]

  sisterhood that I really really [TS]

  appreciated and and also like this it as [TS]

  someone who's very protective of her [TS]

  friends seeing that mirrored in our main [TS]

  character was kind of nice to see you [TS]

  know like like I will die for you type [TS]

  type protectiveness and in and I I like [TS]

  that she's powerful I like that she's [TS]

  kind of on this journey of discovery and [TS]

  and all that stuff but I mean here's the [TS]

  spoiler she and her mentor end up [TS]

  becoming infatuated with one another i [TS]

  wouldn't say like falling in love but [TS]

  there's some kind of infatuation there [TS]

  and at no point did i find that [TS]

  believable he was horrible we saw him do [TS]

  nothing but insult her and be verbally [TS]

  abusive and actually can physically [TS]

  abusive and then she she ends up like [TS]

  there are feelings and I don't know that [TS]

  i did not appreciate that aspect of it i [TS]

  think you gotta I think you you can't [TS]

  discount the fact that they become [TS]

  deeply magically entwined and in [TS]

  aftermath as that is when that this [TS]

  happens so it's I guess it's up to you [TS]

  to determine whether becoming like don't [TS]

  kind of like inside one another souls [TS]

  while casting missed this you know crazy [TS]

  spell that takes a day [TS]

  to tell or whatever it is is that it you [TS]

  know was that a very special moment that [TS]

  lay their souls bear and made them [TS]

  attached to each other in a way that you [TS]

  know non-magic people can understand or [TS]

  I think if you discount in there like [TS]

  come on but consider what went before [TS]

  it's easy to to write it off but I kind [TS]

  of went with it just because they died I [TS]

  accepted that what she was basically [TS]

  saying is that this spell that the cast [TS]

  together was incredibly intimate and it [TS]

  basically connected them in a way they [TS]

  never been before I can go with that I [TS]

  can I can I i can totally go with that [TS]

  and i'm with you and I say see that too [TS]

  but he continued to be abusive and [TS]

  that's what that's what I was like okay [TS]

  jerk right so you've seen it to one [TS]

  another souls she is a very kind-hearted [TS]

  and compassionate woman and there's like [TS]

  he's physically abusive and I'm i just [TS]

  can't I can't I can't I you know what I [TS]

  will admit that I struggled with that a [TS]

  little bit too i think that it was I [TS]

  mean he was still awful towards the end [TS]

  but he was much much less awful so i can [TS]

  see i do think that there was a bit of a [TS]

  Redemption arc for his character and [TS]

  maybe it would have been a little bit [TS]

  better they played up that the [TS]

  redemptive angle a little bit and made [TS]

  its it better for me but for me I I [TS]

  struggled a little while and then I [TS]

  ended up landing on the side where I was [TS]

  mostly okay with it simply because this [TS]

  is it's it's a fantasy fairy tale story [TS]

  and it's it's the story of of someone [TS]

  who know learns to use their powers and [TS]

  I just I really wanted all of the the [TS]

  bows to sort of tie up neatly at the end [TS]

  in the way that a story like that is [TS]

  quote/unquote meant to and of course you [TS]

  can break those rules and stuff but i do [TS]

  like it when you have all of those sort [TS]

  of happy-ish at least endings so for me [TS]

  I feel like the book might have felt a [TS]

  little bit inconclusive or unclaimed de [TS]

  diff CD didn't get that sort of a [TS]

  glimpse of of possible happiness at the [TS]

  end there so that was that was why I end [TS]

  up being okay with it but I very much [TS]

  see your point [TS]

  Scott what you think or what is [TS]

  goodreads tell you that you thought at [TS]

  one point in the past [TS]

  well this is also gave five stars and [TS]

  this is a example of why I read [TS]

  nominated books because i had heard of [TS]

  this book obviously she and whenever [TS]

  he's a big author i have not read any of [TS]

  her work before this I read about this [TS]

  book and I thought this is totally not [TS]

  something I like so i'm not going to [TS]

  read it and now it was on you know [TS]

  nominated for a nebula so I thought I [TS]

  guess help read and so i read it and i [TS]

  really liked it totally another book I [TS]

  would have ever read on my own and now [TS]

  it has inspired me actually inspired my [TS]

  wife to read all of her a Napoleonic [TS]

  dragon boats the camera and exactly i'm [TS]

  and so i'll be reading those at some [TS]

  point as well because she said they're [TS]

  good and I based on this book I think [TS]

  that she's an excellent writer i did not [TS]

  have a I didn't notice the physical [TS]

  abuse stuff so i didn't have a problem [TS]

  with it maybe that's just because I'm a [TS]

  dude and I didn't notice that i trow but [TS]

  i totally notice that you know the the [TS]

  he was you know mentally abusive and and [TS]

  yeah but i just took that as he didn't [TS]

  understand the way that she used magic [TS]

  and he was trying to put her into his [TS]

  magical system and it just wasn't [TS]

  working and it was frustrating to him [TS]

  yes more of a reflection of that and [TS]

  then once they started you know [TS]

  realizing like when they were trying to [TS]

  make the what was at the B and the rose [TS]

  or whatever they they figured out they [TS]

  click well she figured out how to click [TS]

  into his system and it made like the [TS]

  crazy garden appear and that's when they [TS]

  started I felt like they started [TS]

  clicking a little bit more but he was [TS]

  still resistive of it because that's not [TS]

  how magic works [TS]

  yeah everyone clearly you know there are [TS]

  different ways to get to the same path [TS]

  and I like you know the Falcon and all [TS]

  that stuff [TS]

  and going to the capital i thought it [TS]

  was all great it was and enchanted me [TS]

  i'm beginning to end and one thing to [TS]

  point out with with his personality sort [TS]

  of i do like that she never she never [TS]

  actually softens or capitulates to him [TS]

  he's his personality he's got flaws he [TS]

  he's not very empathetic to the fact [TS]

  that she uses magic differently like [TS]

  Scott said and she doesn't really ever [TS]

  give in to him he's the one that [TS]

  actually has to sort of come running [TS]

  back to her in the end so I I appreciate [TS]

  that as well but she doesn't like go off [TS]

  on some sort of you know what waterworks [TS]

  type quest crying and panting for him [TS]

  yeah Sean would you think of this one [TS]

  well as you may recall earlier i had [TS]

  said there was a book that I didn't [TS]

  finish because I didn't want to finish [TS]

  it and that would be this but uh huh no [TS]

  process of elimination [TS]

  yeah because we have got that but soon [TS]

  because i actually finished raising [TS]

  raising cane as much as I may have [TS]

  ranted about that but that this scene [TS]

  that we've already mentioned was the [TS]

  moment which I just checked out and [TS]

  there's already a lot of stuff going [TS]

  against I'm not really big into fairy [TS]

  tales it's just not my thing [TS]

  the only fairy tale book i can think of [TS]

  that i enjoyed is a house in the stag by [TS]

  cage baker but i don't really like fairy [TS]

  tales it was already kind of had that [TS]

  going against it but the moment there's [TS]

  like that little romantic tingling like [TS]

  I just felt so uncomfortable and I just [TS]

  stopped because I just I can't I can't [TS]

  do that like my tolerance for that has [TS]

  since Game of Thrones as ended I don't [TS]

  really have a tolerance for any kind of [TS]

  skeevy that kind of thing anymore so [TS]

  that was the point which I just I just [TS]

  stopped i wasn't i wasn't already into [TS]

  it and it made me feel uncomfortable in [TS]

  a way that i didn't find interesting and [TS]

  so I just I just cut and ran and went [TS]

  like when read something else [TS]

  so yeah I don't really have much to say [TS]

  except that all right yeah sorry please [TS]

  don't i know what people are gonna [TS]

  probably like there's gonna be people on [TS]

  my doorstep trying to kill me but it's [TS]

  possible please don't don't don't don't [TS]

  go to sean's house [TS]

  yeah my cat will fight you so uh this is [TS]

  my favorite of the seven I thought it [TS]

  was great [TS]

  I thought it was one of these so so [TS]

  sorry Jean I I thought it was um I still [TS]

  am watching Game of Thrones by the way [TS]

  so people can come to my doorstep and my [TS]

  cat will probably not fight you but he [TS]

  might be on you know which may be just [TS]

  as good [TS]

  yeah really don't want that trust me [TS]

  wanna lottery so i like Scott would not [TS]

  normally read a book like this i have [TS]

  bought the first book in the temporary [TS]

  series i just haven't gotten around to [TS]

  reading because i think and dragons [TS]

  Fantasea whatever but i really liked it [TS]

  I I i like that it was a fairytale [TS]

  framework but was a lot more than that I [TS]

  really love the idea of the forest [TS]

  reaching out to did as this force of [TS]

  darkness to destroy the towns in this [TS]

  village and and then something we [TS]

  haven't talked about is the end of this [TS]

  book really is he [TS]

  it is it's the heart of darkness people [TS]

  like it is a journey into the heart of [TS]

  darkness the this scary forest and [TS]

  what's a thot at the heart of these [TS]

  trees that are the source of the evil [TS]

  that is that is investing this world and [TS]

  especially this this village and there's [TS]

  a victory although i would say unlike [TS]

  unlike updraft there's a victory that's [TS]

  a partial victory there's there's some [TS]

  costs and there's some upkeep that needs [TS]

  to continue happening but in the end [TS]

  Agnieska the the main character finds [TS]

  her place in the world [TS]

  it's a place that she chooses she's [TS]

  protecting her valley i like the journey [TS]

  we talked about two different magic [TS]

  systems i like the could I like the idea [TS]

  that this guy is it is an arrogant [TS]

  wizard he changes you know although [TS]

  although women that he takes when [TS]

  they're 16 leave the village after [TS]

  they're done with their that there 10 [TS]

  years because they there there they've [TS]

  they've seen too much and they want to [TS]

  move on to something else but she [TS]

  challenges him [TS]

  she's got she's special in a way that he [TS]

  can't he doesn't notice right away and i [TS]

  love that like she puts him on the [TS]

  defense because she knows stuff about [TS]

  her magic and he doesn't and I'll i [TS]

  think that's delightful ders there are [TS]

  several places where he is brought low [TS]

  by the fact that you know he keeps [TS]

  disregarding her skills and disparaging [TS]

  her and she always surprises him and I [TS]

  think that's also delightful and so I i [TS]

  like the mythical qualities of it I like [TS]

  that there's this additional political [TS]

  the calculation that's happening with [TS]

  the prince and the king and the queen [TS]

  who was kidnapped by the wood a long [TS]

  time ago back in the capital [TS]

  I think that's an interesting digression [TS]

  it reminded me a bit of the Goblin [TS]

  Emperor which I like the lot so yeah I i [TS]

  liked it i was i was really surprised [TS]

  how much I liked it and so yes if the [TS]

  fifth season is 1b or 2i i would i would [TS]

  rank uprooted number one I was happy [TS]

  that 1i i was surprised at how much I [TS]

  liked it and it was it was another one [TS]

  that was really beautifully written [TS]

  again I will [TS]

  yes you know i will definitely read more [TS]

  of her books just based on this 1i just [TS]

  just can't get past that one thing [TS]

  yeah understood I I like I said I I [TS]

  tried to reason I gave Naomi Novik the [TS]

  benefit of the doubt that you know that [TS]

  especially as a woman writing this book [TS]

  that she had a particular point of view [TS]

  about this relationship and so I decided [TS]

  to go with the idea that this uh this [TS]

  connection was happening that sort of [TS]

  changed everything between them because [TS]

  it was this surprise connection that [TS]

  they found you could very easily say [TS]

  that it was a much older man who comes [TS]

  in steel sixteen-year-old girls and [TS]

  although they only accept they all [TS]

  insist that he never makes a move on [TS]

  them and his is you know he's just a [TS]

  jerk but he he doesn't do anything [TS]

  untoward toward them [TS]

  the fact is that that happens with them [TS]

  and you can you could very easily read [TS]

  that as this is really gross i'm not [TS]

  going to read anymore i think that's a [TS]

  totally fair reading of it i decided to [TS]

  go with it and and decide that the [TS]

  author didn't intend it that way but I [TS]

  can see both sides of that that's fair [TS]

  now and just be clear I'm not suggesting [TS]

  that this book was like the last season [TS]

  of Game of Thrones huh [TS]

  no I suggesting they're on the same [TS]

  scale I brought that up as my that for [TS]

  me was the moment where my tolerance [TS]

  level went all the way down to the [TS]

  bottom because I felt so uncomfortable [TS]

  after that particular moment everybody [TS]

  knows about at this point that i [TS]

  couldn't could I can't take it right now [TS]

  like I don't have the mental space fair [TS]

  enough so yeah it'll probably come back [TS]

  later [TS]

  um should we try i would like to go [TS]

  around out ask people how to rank Vera [TS]

  the books from from from best to worst [TS]

  or worse the best depending on how you [TS]

  want to handle it [TS]

  Scott do you have a list uh I i will [TS]

  have a list right now uh I will go best [TS]

  to worst [TS]

  ok i guess so barska uprooted the fifth [TS]

  season Chris of Kings ancillary mercy [TS]

  updraft raising King okay Colleen [TS]

  favorite to least favorite would be I [TS]

  think the fifth season updraft oh and [TS]

  then I don't know between uprooted and [TS]

  barsky and because uprooted really was [TS]

  beautifully written and and then while [TS]

  ancillary mercy and the grace of keys [TS]

  because i couldn't read it and then I [TS]

  didn't read the six months all right [TS]

  Erica haha i had kind of to almost times [TS]

  but I've managed to sort of break them [TS]

  out a little bit so some favorite to [TS]

  least favorite I am going to put the [TS]

  fifth season at the top and the only [TS]

  reason that operated comes in at second [TS]

  is because of that relationship it but [TS]

  that was that was enough for it to to [TS]

  bump it down from being completely tied [TS]

  to being just almost tied and then the [TS]

  next two were almost at I as as well [TS]

  actually no that's not true [TS]

  next one was ancillary mercy because I [TS]

  quite like that that was pretty easy [TS]

  with the next to that we're kind of a [TS]

  tie between bars and updraft i decided [TS]

  to put bars just the hair above updraft [TS]

  simply because of Jason what you were [TS]

  saying about how how it ended but I [TS]

  really just I liked all of those very [TS]

  very much and then a few rungs down we [TS]

  have the grace of kings and then and [TS]

  then yeah it was then that one doesn't [TS]

  finish raising Cain p.m. [TS]

  k & Reed and Sean more about you sure so [TS]

  bars gets off the list because obviously [TS]

  i didn't i didn't finish it no not from [TS]

  lack of trying [TS]

  so my list from top to bottom goes [TS]

  ancillary mercy grace of Kings updraft [TS]

  fifth season uprooted than raising Cain [TS]

  alright well i think i think fifth [TS]

  season maybe our maybe our overall like [TS]

  total point [TS]

  it's winter if we were true choosing a [TS]

  winner among us but so for me it's [TS]

  uprooted and then the fifth season than [TS]

  barska updraft ancillary mercy raising [TS]

  cane and Grace of Kings because i [TS]

  couldn't finish it and it's not like we [TS]

  didn't try so wow yeah you tried several [TS]

  times valiantly and it did never happen [TS]

  so but you know here's what I'll say [TS]

  when you when you have seven books and [TS]

  you decide to read all of them turns out [TS]

  there's a some good books in there [TS]

  yeah I hope you all had a had a good [TS]

  time reading some books that mysterious [TS]

  cabal in the science-fiction writers [TS]

  association nachos for us [TS]

  oh yeah yeah they chose some good books [TS]

  yeah i think so should we do yeah pretty [TS]

  good [TS]

  alright well thus thus ends our survey [TS]

  of the nebula nominees for this year I [TS]

  but it was fun to read those books it [TS]

  took awhile but because that's a lot of [TS]

  books but it was good it was good i'm [TS]

  glad I did it and I it's given me more [TS]

  books to read anyway I'd like to thank [TS]

  my panelists for joining us on this [TS]

  adventure of reading some or all or some [TS]

  combination thereof of the nebula [TS]

  nominees Sean Duke from skippy and fanti [TS]

  and many other places thank you so much [TS]

  for being back on that's three years in [TS]

  a row for you thank you you're welcome i [TS]

  I'm sure the torches and pitchforks [TS]

  outside our normal and not people ready [TS]

  to push down your door for your for your [TS]

  opinions that ok I i drink their tears [TS]

  okay good good as you should as you [TS]

  should lean sims thank you so much for [TS]

  joining us on the on the book club and [TS]

  taking on this is a large assignment i [TS]

  was so happy to do it [TS]

  that was a lot of fun Erica and sign [TS]

  thank you as well for reading many many [TS]

  books [TS]

  yeah I genuinely loved almost every one [TS]

  of these so I'm am so pleased that you [TS]

  encouraged me to do it because if I if I [TS]

  hadn't done it for the podcast i doubt i [TS]

  would read most of these books scotland [TS]

  ltd as always you are my partner in [TS]

  reading books that are nominated for [TS]

  awards [TS]

  thanks for being here yes and I read all [TS]

  of them you did Lou you get the gold [TS]

  sticker nebulous actually is there [TS]

  really a cool sticker next time i see [TS]

  i'll give you gold sticker [TS]

  don't write checks you kick it's a [TS]

  euphemism a gold sticker is a punch in [TS]

  the arm band [TS]

  yeah congratulations it because me [TS]

  flashbacks to Catholic school and thanks [TS]

  everybody out there for listening [TS]

  check out these books I hope we've given [TS]

  you some ideas of some of these books [TS]

  that you might want to read based on our [TS]

  descriptions of them will see you next [TS]

  week bye everybody [TS]

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