The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast episode 33 [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► we're back on the incomparable podcast i [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► am jason smell your host and I am [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► forcibly dragging members of our panel [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► into this podcast which is about one of [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► my very favorite movies of all time I [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► love the the film real genius i love it [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► unconditionally I love it [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► and ironically i love it despite the [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► fact and now given that I knowing who's [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► on this podcast now given its many flaws [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► some of which i will list right now up [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► front which is it has an extremely weird [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► and pointless plot involving a military [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► laser it has some really questionable [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► casting in the in the name of game Jared [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► as Mitch Taylor and it it does have [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► three count em three nineteen eighties [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► musical montages joining me here to talk [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► about real genius and the weird laser [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► thing and the questionable casting and [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► the guy who lives in the basement and so [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► much more are some fine fine and kind [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► people including Dan Morgan who you just [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► heard hi Dan [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► hi Jason Glenn / men who like me is from [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► the eighties I saw this movie and I [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► loved it then and I love it now [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► bless you serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► hello Jason hello thank you for watching [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► real genius and John siracusa I'm here [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► for you Jason thank ya hear ya I you [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► will tell me flaws in this movie that i [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► have never noticed in watching a hundred [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► this is like some kind of reared in [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► Reverse intervention so yeah so [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► dependency meeting i think yeah we [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► should save it and in 1985 there were [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► three summer movies that were science [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► themed there was the absolutely [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► atrocious my science project [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► the the Anthony Michael Hall comedy [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► weird science and and this movie real [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► real genius and and what ended up [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► happening was weird science was a hit my [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► science project was a failure and [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► rightly so and real genius was kind of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► just kind of floating around and became [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► in the end I think it's fair to say a [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► cult classic because i do mention this [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► movie and people perk up and go oh I [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► love that movie which surprises me [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► because I thought it was just me quite [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► honestly no no it's not it's never just [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► so you know I I don't even know where to [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► begin with this i could come i can i can [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► i ask you can because I have an idea I [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► was something I want to ask you [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► hands-down just watch this movie is new [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► huh defend the independent know another [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► five games jared is an excellent choice [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► is Mitch Taylor is why they would cast [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► anybody Dave Jarret does not even [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► remotely look like a girl [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► oh so I i guess you know seeing this for [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► the first time as an adult and and i [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► enjoyed parts of the movie and I found [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► parts of it amusing but I guess I'm [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► combined am I find myself perplexed one [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► might say as to why what is your what is [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► this causes the strength of your [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► attachment is just a nostalgia thing or [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► is there there's something in particular [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► that that draws you to this movie you [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► know it's it is a combination of things [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► as you might expect [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I think you know yes I saw this movie in [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► the theater in the summer of nineteen [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► eighty-five and I didn't actually see a [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► lot of movies in the movie theater when [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► I was a kid because i live in a small [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► town and it was kind of difficult to get [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► to the movie theater believe it or not [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► but um it it i don't think it's just [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► nostalgia I thought that for a while and [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► then as I watched it again and again [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► over the years you know number one is [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► probably that this is one of the rare [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► movies that is about a group of smart [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► people who are being smart and it's it's [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► portrayed positively it's it's not a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► movie where you know it's not a revenge [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► of the nerds kind of movie or a movie [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► where there's the smart you know [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► socially maladjusted kid who's part of [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► the ensemble there you know this is [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► Pacific tech which is essentially [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► Caltech they're smart people doing smart [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► things and they've got their quirks and [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► all of that but i really like that [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► it's about smart people in there and [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► there you know laser people and they [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► have that crazy inventions and there's [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► the guy who's entering the sweepstakes [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► so that he'll win thirty percent of the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► prizes a lot of the story really seems [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► to be based on actual stories or famous [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► stories whether real or not that we're [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► circling around Caltech so I think [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► that's part of it you know a lot of the [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► lot of character interaction is is is [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► fun [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► the dialogue is really fun it's not [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► about the plot and that's actually the [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► thing that I remember as I watched it [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► over and over again I I came to realize [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► that clearly the biggest liability in [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► this movie from my perspective is the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► plot that there is bizarre [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► it doesn't really make sense i mean it [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► holds together just just enough it's the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► worst i mean it it would be better i [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► think you could argue if there wasn't [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► other than that it's the through line of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► of the movie because that there are [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► researching the laser beam the whole [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► last 20 minutes the movie other than [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► can't being wired to hear the voice of [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► God to tell him to stop masturbating [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that the whole movie kind of falls off a [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► cliff because we get these terrible like [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► blue screen shots of a model plane and [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► we get like mitch has got a moustache [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► come all unlike wargames caper yeah [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► exactly it's like well I noticed when [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► watching us how many plots that were [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► there is a teammate but I'm like I'm [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► watching like wait that's a whole thing [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like wait they just introduced this [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► asian guy we haven't seen before of [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► course she's super smart asian guy who [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► can like freeze the hallway so you can [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► slide in like where'd he come from now [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► he's a critical castmember like a [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► Ghostbusters when they bring in the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► black guy like halfway through you ever [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► seen before and certainly is a critical [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► component to the story [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► well he's hanging around in the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► background yeah but but he's you know it [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► is it's like what we've got there [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► there's the lazer team and there's like [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► six of those guys and there's like 10 [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► guys in the dorm plus one woman and it's [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► it is very strange right because there's [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► the Jerry Hathaway plot and there's kind [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► of a can't plot and there's kind of mich [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► redeeming himself plot and the debt and [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► a redemption of chris knight [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► well there's there's two plots involving [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► women sleeping with men for inexplicable [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► reason right was that there's the woman [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► who is the head hydro geniuses women too [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► come off very well this movie [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► enforcement but now it's just the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► eighties for the other than dat well [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► other than you know Jordan who is one of [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► them but it's Caltech so you know I I [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► kind of accept that that's the mindset [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► that so damned does that make any sense [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► to you that I think I think there are [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► lots of funny lines and some likable [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► characters and you know I you know and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that the whole idea of it being a movie [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► about kind of smart people doing [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► smartthings i'm fascinated that as Glenn [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► brought up [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► I mean war games is another like there's [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► this there's this theme and I think [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► probably a lot of it has to do with you [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► know this was a tease the era of like [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► high-tech becoming big the era of things [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► like well star wars by not by which i [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► mean not the movies but like the [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► Strategic Defense Initiative like you [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► know lasers were they on the last r star [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► wars podcast while the threat the threat [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► of you know nuclear war the sort of [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► declining threat of nuclear war but also [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► the Cold War aspect because I think of [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► this i think of war games and I think of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► short circuit all of which have very [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► similar themes about smart people [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► realizing maybe wait that this I'm just [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► thought I was just making something [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► awesome and it turned out to be used as [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► a weapon this right away i invented this [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► death ray that she used this guy they're [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► kinda used to kill people oh my god [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► what's the same and short-circuit has [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the exact same plot if I thought this [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► robot because I thought it would be cool [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► and the they turned it into a weapon and [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► like there's definitely a pacifistic [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► streak going through all your movies ran [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► go ahead i was just saying I think it's [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► funny at some point in the movie they're [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► like what did you think this laser was [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► going to be used for yeah yeah well it [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► is all one-upsmanship right it's just [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► that they've been given an assignment by [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► their evil professor william atherton so [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► why not just wait there's a more damning [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► movie there if you take out like that [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► scene at the very beginning where they [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► show them using the like the prototype [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► of Leo we've gotta we gotta build this [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► thing because like we're over budget or [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► whatever and you know overdue like in [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► some ways there's a much more sinister [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► movie if you just frame it all around [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► the idea of these college kids being [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► egged on to create this laser and then [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► don't pull out like the oh by the way [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► it's being used by the military thing at [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the end and I think in some ways there [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► is much more of a if we're jumped into [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► it along with the thesaurus smart [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► students were you know maybe kind of [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► note in the back of their head but [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► aren't really thinking about that [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► then I think there's there's more [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► interesting thing there but you know [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that's maybe wrote a book about that and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► it was called ender's game scoop up so [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► so our way master ichigen I let's talk [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► about him for a little bit he is the [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► he's Jerry Hathaway the professor of [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► lasers I guess at Caltech in this movie [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► lazer ology I believe supposed to be a [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► little seems to be able to be little [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► Carl Sagan like he's got a TV show [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► called everything yes the colon [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► what does it look like and random people [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► running parents know have him right [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► where there's like when this person the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► science fair and a rocker like oh can I [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► have your autographs [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► ok I think he was perhaps best known for [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► his scientific invention of the shoulder [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► pads this is william atherton actually [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► built like that because I swear it every [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► movie he's got like crazy shoulder pads [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► got big pointy shoulders just you know [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► don't make fun of the man for big plays [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► shoulders don't make fun of him for [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► being the eighties bag extraordinaire [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► yeah well that's the thing diehard [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► diehard real genius and ghostbusters for [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► me that is the pinnacle of avoid methods [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► and these three great parts where he's [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► just a jerk and I love this one the best [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► because he's the most well rounded up a [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► jerk in a way he's realistic as I want [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► to that was like they're absolutely [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► professors exactly like that who abused [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► their students and teaching the classes [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► getting into anything for them steal [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► their work and sell it all from the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► research money to build big asses [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► there's also a great movie where he had [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the defense contractor the defense [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► contractor is driving him somewhere on [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► campus for a meeting and a student looks [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► at the car and he takes the defense [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► contractors head and and shoves it down [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► into his up in it into the guy's lap and [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► the guys like what are you doing you [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► could kill this season yet but he saw me [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► it's like so self-centered about the [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► fact that you know he's the famous [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► professor that he's he will do stupid [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► things like the taste almost got himself [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► killed in a car accident but it's great [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► it's a great part and and he has no I [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► mean he has no favourites because it's [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► all about him so there's the suck-up [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► character of Ken to who is very [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► convinced that he and Jerry have a very [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► title [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► action ship but in fact can't really [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► give Jerry what he wants which is this [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► no major don't call me by my first thing [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► I guess it goes from Allah God to Jerry [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► to you to the cleaners as the wine goes [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I can I could be here all night doing is [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► the can is the absolute like it you [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► could say most of the characters movie i [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► think that section where the strength to [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the movies most of the characters in [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► this movie and most the plot are [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► absolutely cookie cutter 1980 [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► standard-issue characters and ken is one [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► of the worst a lot is that like [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► unbelievable [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► can a person like even Jordan is semi [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► believable compared to can't [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► and yet somehow they put all those [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► things together the box and shake them [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► and it's appealing it's funny it doesn't [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► take itself too seriously at times the [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► end it does but it's sort of silly and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► stupid stuff there's like petitions and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► bathing suits you might show editions [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► student because it's a very important [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► distinction that has made my knees are [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► not conditions where doesn't get more [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► petitions as Bryan Adams plays in the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► background and they do water slides and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► in an auditory everything in the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► eighties in this movie it is it but it's [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► not awful it's really enjoyable as [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► watching it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► there's some dull points in the end is [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► kind of dumb you know but it's still I [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► really like all that was really fun to [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► partly I mean the end on a high note you [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► know Housefull popcorn you can't you [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► can't you know lose the house full of [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► popcorn so that is I gotta say it's it's [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► very nostalgic for me in a weird way [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► because my father taught at Caltech XO [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► from from age three or four to age 16 [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► I came to he's a music music music [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► professor and he held the great club so [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► I was on campus pretty much three to [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► five days a week from age 42 age 16 so [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► seeing like the first the first third of [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► the movie is almost very very much wait [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► wait a second I that's this all seems [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► far too familiar and and then the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► petition school which is oh so cleverly [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► disguised for pc which is down the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► street the public Community College it's [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► just is it was very strange for me to [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► did you notice the big hole in the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► statue in the center of campus that was [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► filled their binary laser yes [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► oh sure that's I'm sure thats stolen [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► definitely happens I mean random laser [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► part and and laser paths to laser [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► parties [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► oh sure well they have the little laser [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► splitter that Sun lights up the sign [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► that says that there's a party of what [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► else would you do with a laser certainly [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► by use it as a weapon [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► I mean it's amazing that they had all [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► those mirrors just planted around can [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► campus Jesse Hayes was a hard no no it [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► wasn't that was a setup did you may have [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► less yes but that was so sorry they kind [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► of gloss over it that was definitely the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► high jinks of chris knight genius [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► student who is ok so let's let's get to [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that val kilmer who's gone on to be in [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► many other movies it's everything I you [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► know I i will be if it wasn't it work [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► for val kilmer than this movie might [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► have might have taken no but i think it [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► makes it so he had a delightful this I [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► think this is the best thing that you [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► know the best performance that he's [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► given I I think he's I think when you [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► think about his career and you think [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► about some of the other things I I think [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► he missed a real opportunity to be [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► funnier and more things and the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► character is great too because this is [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► this interesting you know he is he is [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► literally what gave Jared Mitch Taylor [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► was he was a kid brought in two young [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► totally maladjusted and has basically [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► decided whether he's burned out or he [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► just decided it doesn't matter anymore [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► and he's gonna misbehave really [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► interesting character yet at the end you [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► know he is smart and he does have a [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► breakthrough and it does you know it [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► doesn't matter to him that he graduate [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► and you know I I think Dan is absolutely [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► right without Val Kilmer and without [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► this you know the character the way it's [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► written this movie would not work did [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► absolutely i will say the killers got [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► out some other way I feel like he is [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► better when he's in a role that lets him [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► flex his comedic muscles a little more I [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► think kiss kiss bang guess in recent [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► versus another fantastic val kilmer role [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► and that's because he gets to sort of [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► the roles where he doesn't have to take [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► himself too seriously because anybody [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► who saw this Batman appearance you are [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► tombs tombstone which is layout death [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► but but Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is he's [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► great in that and I also throughout the [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► state as one of my favorite val kilmer [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► movies which is unusual sort of a [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► ridiculous I [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► love it that's the mutilator fantastic [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► movie john syracuse you've been [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► strangely silent on Val Kilmer first I [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► don't like he's done this frantic real [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► genius character like a lot of times [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► after this movie maybe he's done it [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► before this movie but you know the [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► frantic valve cameras kind of crazy [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► this may have been the first incarnation [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► of that character but he was seeing in [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► many other movies and I think that's [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► what makes kiss kiss bang bang so great [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► is because he doesn't play frantic val [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► kilmer he plays you know a different [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► character actually plays a character who [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► is also very funny but funny in a very [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► different way than then the wacky [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► hijinks see irreverent Val come about [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► camera basically bart simpson's I must I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► must not have seen the the wacky val [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► kilmer movies that one so before I mean [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► looking as filmography he starts off in [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► top-secret we have a wacky val kilmer [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► absolutely he goes to real genius and [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► then he flips around totally of plays [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► Iceman and I'm going which is a totally [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► non communicable really yeah and that is [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► Jim and that is jim morrison the doors I [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► don't know if you skip willow well our [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► Elmer right there and then the doors to [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► stone deadly Batman Forever using heat [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► though I mean that's speculative my [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► favorite series movies with him and then [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► actually I like two men will out till I [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► also like to minimum or recently in [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► Spartan the david mamet movie which is [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► again a a different that they totally on [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► you know a totally serious val kilmer [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► role i was going to say I was gonna be [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► proud of dan at the beginning of this [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► because he was coming in and saying I [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► don't understand why you guys liked this [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► movie it's not that good i was like yeah [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► that's my guy [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► no but then he backed off a little bit [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► no I mean I'm not saying I I don't say [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► again I said you know I maintain that I [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► think val kilmer holds it together but I [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► do agree that it's entirely compared to [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► compared to many of the other eight [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► movies that you know I've seen grew up [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► and enjoyed i mean granted short-circuit [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► not a great movie but i don't know i [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► love short-circuit and maybe that it's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► largely tempered by nostalgia but i [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► think i think there's some good stuff [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► there so I saw this movie is exactly the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► right age i think i think it was around [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► 10 or 11 and that's if you're 10 or 11 [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► and your nerdy this [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► and you're in the AIDS this is probably [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► a good movie for you is not a 14-ounce [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► out tonight was the first time I'd seen [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► it up again like decades and so I I [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► remember loving it as a kid but didn't [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► really remember much about it but it's [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► one of those experiences when you re [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► watching movie where yeah I didn't [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► realize [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► first of all I realize that I have the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► script memorized because I do whatever I [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► was gonna say a word for that fucking [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► another guy like while I must this must [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► have really had an effect on me but if [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► you'd asked me before the movie named a [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► line from this movie i could maybe two [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► but then as they're saying Mike I'm [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► psychic i know what everyone is going to [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► say and you realize how many little [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► snippets of dialogue or in that are in [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► your head that i had previously before [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► watching this done i would have not been [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► able to identify where these things came [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► from yep and you see that I got that [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that's where that comes from now all [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► that said I finished watching the whole [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► moving-in like this was not a great [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► movie at it first of all I i see all of [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► the 80 stuff that didn't bother me in [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the eighties was of its time but now [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► really great sunday that the ridiculous [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► treatment of women that the illogic the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► wacky montages and stuff like that and i [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► was thinking about you know it's not [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► that I dislike did just sort of you know [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► clichés of eighties movies you know but [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► it's just that that they're they're done [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► so much better now is thinking like [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► donnie darko is a better eighties movie [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► than any ats coupe [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► no i mean because Donny Darko does all [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► the things that able to write down to [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► this that to the musical montage with [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► the exact same song at the end this [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► movie with right for the wedding singer [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the wedding singer was actually was like [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► a reconstructed eighties movie that try [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► to out ATZ movie exactly with modern [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► interpretations think we've improved [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► upon the form but then the second thing [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► was that i don't i don't think the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► comedy was really landing for me as an [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► adult like when i was a kid i think you [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► know I found these lines hilarious and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► clever and you know but that's an [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► interesting point because that you know [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► I felt like listening to the to the the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► sort of the one-liners and stuff that [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► what the comedy tries to evoke almost [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► I'm a Marx Brothers like a gradual mark [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► step humor like the learning and reading [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► that cable the license plate thing for [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► example I call you you know my office to [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► the same thing like 22 my underwear to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► put license put your underwear I mean [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's like a it's like the shot in the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► arm around the left for me to gain [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► weight yeah yeah i mean and i think it's [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you know it's not as good as graduate [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► marks [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► well it's funny you should mention that [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► one of the writers of this movie [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► actually wrote he was part of the sucker [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► Abrams sucker kind of factory and wrote [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► various parody movies including I [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► believe brain donors which is the mark [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► modern attempted to a modern Marx [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► Brothers movie which with a John Tudor [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► oh I think it was a complete failure but [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► it they actually did one of the one of [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► the writers it's hard to pull a Marx [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► Brothers movie without the Marx Brothers [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► yes it's awfully awfully hard [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► so John what I'd say about the about the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► dialogue is I think there are jokes in [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► this movie that work better for me when [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► I was a kid but that but some of the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► dialogue has stuck with me and it's not [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► it's not the stupid jokes really and I i [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► guess that would be the same sort of [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► effect that I have with them with uh the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► princess bride where where a lot of the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► older don't you bring that a lot [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► absolutely you dare [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► absolutely I i quote real genius just as [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► not just for because he brought war [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► games it's what I was gonna ask you so [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► compare ok there's so much better the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► more games it's not even like you can't [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► oh no yeah ya do that to me [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► wargames is my eighties movie you can't [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► do that they're both law and I've [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► already thrown the plot of this movie [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► under the bus because the plane and the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► and the Air Force Base and all that is [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► just atrocious but think about this [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► these movies do have so much in common [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► in terms like defense industry hacker [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► smart kid type things I think about this [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but can you name a single moment your [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► real genius that is remotely close to [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► being as emotionally true as any moment [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► war games like there's just there's just [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► nothing there and and real genius it's a [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► glib babies comedy it doesn't take [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► itself seriously it's fine but there is [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► no emotional core of truth anywhere in [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► this movie where it's war games war game [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► stands up to this day as as the truth of [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► being that kid in that situation [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► obviously the situation itself is [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► ridiculous but the truth about how the [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► people feel in any particular situation [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► makes war games work despite the [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► ridiculous preposterous plot these two [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► movies here is that one of them works [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► when you're a kid and doesn't work when [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► you're all the other one works when [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► you're kidding when your adult all the [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► things that are ridiculous you're [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► willing to forgive because because the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► heart is still there when you also have [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► you know the only way to win is not to [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► play which is such a great life but it's [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► it's it's have your hands but you shall [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► feel for the characters you feel you to [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► identify [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► I with magic character and you identify [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► with you know even that the professor [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► Falken who lost his child and everything [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► all that is it all that works [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► it'sit's the ridiculous story the plot [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► is still ridiculous but everybody is [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► slightly less cartoonish the military [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► people are slightly less so sure they [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► are in this movie and well situation [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► there and lightly less cartoonish you're [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► right you're right the guy from northern [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► exposure in the whopper supercomputer [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► are very much more attached to reality [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► that I mean there's a screwball comedy [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► aspect to real genius that is not [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► present anymore games so so it's not [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► necessarily a fair comparison [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► straight-up that's I mean it's like I [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► think I was going to complain about [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► though the the screwball comedy aspect [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► of it so jason said before little slight [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► adjustment on this podcast you asked him [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► what he was thinking I mean the ones on [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► well he was silent i know he was winding [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► up the longer I let him not talk the [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► worst it was gonna pitch it certainly [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► can I just draw a random thing that [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► neither here nor there [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► I know it can someone tell me who the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► character of milton is because i was [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► Seattle music scene of a deadly bite [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► I know it's dean devlin but I couldn't I [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► couldn't identify him while watching the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► yeah he's he's on the scene the lecture [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► that I've noticed no no it's the scene [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► that I noticed is it's in the student [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► beautician swimming pool tanning [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► invitational seen there there's a he's [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► one of the guys in that group and I [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► think he's in some other seems like the [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► scene where I mean in many ways this [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► this screenplay appears to have been [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► constructed around anecdotes about wacky [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► hijinks at Caltech and and so that's one [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► of them and the guy who stands up and [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► screams and then leaves and then nobody [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► pays attention to him as he runs out [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► which I've been told actually happened [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► in and that is a fairly accurate [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► portrayal yeah it happens on a regular [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► basis [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► I i went by the youngest to that in [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► college i think i actually have seen [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► that apology but I wasn't sure whether [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► was just a real to this reference when i [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► was about to watch the film i was [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► looking up something online and I found [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► a hole like three page list of here are [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► all of the things that are based on cal [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► tech stuff from real genius or hear the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► locations that are trying very poorly to [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► mimic Celtic locations [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► these are the graffiti from daddy house [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that they act [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► we pulled off of daddy house and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► appliqued into the into pramanas campus [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► you all right now I want to I want to [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► try to get us back to a peaceful [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► standing where it's something we can all [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► agree on one with a science in the movie [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► because i was surprised re-watching and [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► i watch the number of times watched it [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► when it first came out the number times [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► since but we watching it I was like the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► science didn't bother me which is rare [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► for a film that supposed to be about [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► geeks usually its total garbage and I [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► know there are lots of gobbledygook in [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► it but the most of the the whole focus [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► of it and like even the lab work and [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► everything it didn't bug me it didn't [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► look totally faking ridiculous to me and [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► I was surprised by that my red my memory [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► it was it was just some kind of [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► concocting super laser stupid laser crap [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► but even though they were speaking sort [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► of nonsense or seemed like there was [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► nonsense that sounds like a good turn [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► kernel of truth in it so it was it was [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► there a kernel of truth in the popcorn [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► seen oh no that's my that's my [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► subconscious making that ship [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► exactly we are wikipedia says [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► Mythbusters tried to see if you get mad [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a popcorn to explode house and [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► apparently you can't answer is no no it [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► just burns just burn natural your [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► science question where's your precious [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► science now that I believe they built a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► fake house specifically for that scene [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► and then spent three months [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► no it's it's a big it's a it was an [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► actual house in the movie house is being [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► but it has like open parts they built it [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► to do what it does in the movie because [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► a real house wouldn't do that and then [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► apparently some internet the studio had [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► to spend three months popping popcorn [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► bastard that guy then screamed and ran [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► out of the he did it was it was it was [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► strange know your i think that the [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► physics isn't exactly right but they did [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► actually have some science consultants [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► to talk about like what would be the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► would be involved [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you're a laser the developer and you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► were trying to find different different [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► molecules or elements to use in the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► construction of the laser just so they [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► would get that sort of right it doesn't [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you know in a movie that is not striving [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► for incredible realism it doesn't [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► thankfully they're very there's only one [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► scene where they do stupid things with [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► computers and I know this will be here [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► dear john start where there where they [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► managed to hack through the government [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► of the day there's a party at 668 yeah [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► like 30 minutes taking all texts [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► hours if you go through every possible a [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► letter combinations including uppercase [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► and lowercase so it doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► bother people as adults though we're in [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► a technical field of it that they make [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► movies will strive like this to get the [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► details right but they'll never they'll [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► never make the actual work of of doing [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► technical or science things a dramatic [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► part of the movie it seems like very [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► very good for he's not far enough [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► they'll do it they'll do it with stuff [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► like almost anything else sports for [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► sure you can have a wacky movie about [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► sports the respect sports that takes it [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► seriously and it makes an integral part [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► of movie like the progression of skill [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► and a sport in a movie that's an easy [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► sell right now okay i went out i will [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► throw out i will throw out a [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► counterexample which is sneakers which [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► is a great movie that does do technology [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► fairly accurately albeit having a it's [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► not the technology part of it is just [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► that like showing how the people who do [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► this for a living actually work and the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► dramatic aspects that obviously you've [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► removed the boring aspects of it so well [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► so so John in this movie one of the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► things I like about it is that they do [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► make some attempts to make the act of of [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► not just inspiration although there is [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► that it you know the moment where val [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► kilmer you know his his way of stealing [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► coffee from the vending machine by [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► freezing carbon dioxide with liquid [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► nitrogen and it falls out and he has [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► this idea that if he freezes the the the [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► salt you know the material he's using [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► for the laser he might be able to make [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► it work but there are several yes i'll [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► grant you musical montage is because of [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► course there are where where he and [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► Mitch are working on the laser project [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and trying different things and it burst [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► into flames at a couple of points and [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► and it does seem that this movie is [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► trying to get across some of that it's [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► actually you know they're actually [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► trying to figure out how to build this [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► laser at you which you know you don't [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► usually see so you know there i think [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► some attempt is made here to show these [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► people actually performing science in [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► something vaguely resembling reality [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► instead of having it happen off-screen [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► or you know in some other kind of bogus [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► way to the main thing i was referring to [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► with the with the with the bad sciences [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► I can't really fault this movie for [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► because it's not about [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► this aspect of the science visit did try [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► to do so with the laser sign so when [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► they did the computer science part of it [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► in this policy and all more reason and [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► computers were not a central part of the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► movie so it's really not a problem this [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► with you but whenever they have a movie [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► they're showing anyone does anything [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► with software it's always you can just [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► take your your magic code and uploaded [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► and it runs right the first time so [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► we're going to take your code and we're [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► gonna install it on some piece of [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► hardware that you've never seen before [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► and it's gonna do some amazing things [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► going to completely alter how it works [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► and it's going to work on the very first [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► time which is which is far removed from [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► how actual hardware and software work as [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► it could possibly be it's like now wait [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► a minute to two things two things first [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► that's the will smith theory of coding [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► of course of Independence Day that's the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► ultimate example [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► no no they wrote that software they [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► wrote that software was their system [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► they develop that was up on the plane [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► John's trying to make a broader point [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► because but there is the one with other [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► than when they're hacking into the you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► know defense mainframe is glenn's right [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► you know the idea here is that they [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► built the system [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► it doesn't matter of you built it does [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► not matter you know how you'd have to [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► sit there and test [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► let's override this thing to point a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► different target and they would have to [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► test that with the actual piece of [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► hardware in the field millions and [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► millions of times before they got a bug [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► having to look at the right Laslo built [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► an emulator the last was a genius [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► there's no such thing is that kind of [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► genius everybody's code doesn't work [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► it's real genius John not big dude [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► that's the worst it's not the not a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► fault of this movie I'm just saying in [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► general you see this in in lots of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► movies where it is basically because the [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► screenwriter needs a way to get from [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► point A to point B and and you get the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► you know how do I solve this problem i [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► know we will hack into the system and [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's lazy and it's completely wrong [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► in most cases all this special program [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that will take over and do something [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► amazing that you know to to do that [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► thing amazing from scratch would be [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► impossible to do on the first try let [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► alone like break into another thing that [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► the best example and give us from your [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► previous podcast for you were dubious [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► about the the old wives tale about also [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► lifestyle with the legend about [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► Halloween Elsa that he just right [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► straight through and doesn't revised and [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► as a writer you're like yeah okay right [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► whatever that's true that is true it's [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► nothing that's why I know but people [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► people people were dubious about it even [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► a short story length like yeah sure but [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► come on like never goes back and edit [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► you know it's even [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► more ridiculous to think that you know [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that a programmer do that because a [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► writer it's like well doesn't have to [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► execute you know if the writing is not [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► as good as as you want and what it was [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► if your grammar and sentence and then [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► you're gonna tell it to tell the car [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► McCarthy but but for programs the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► average never bugs / line is like a one [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► bug every hundred lines or something you [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► can write 2 million lines of code with [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► no bugs not going to happen would have [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► been a very different movie that you [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► have this this movie is strangely not [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► not a major offender in this as opposed [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► to almost every other movie on this [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► subject in which it is it is a big [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► offender in the computer area but it's [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► not it's so tangential to the plot that [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► it's supposed to be like yeah and then [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► there's this computer stuff that happens [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► see but you know and that's one of the [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► reasons that I like real geniuses I feel [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► like this is this is this is the movie [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► we're the only ones in it there is no [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► they're not really put in opposition of [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► other than the head military men it's [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► just them and their internal douchebags [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► like right can write audition right but [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► they're in the family there n and their [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the heroic people and then the the then [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► there's Jerry and can't I want to talk [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► about last little bit just because i [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► think one of the things that people [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► remember when I mentioned this movie is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that there's the guy who lives [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► underneath the dorm and and that john [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► grise who is who plays Laszlo hits is [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► like in everything but he's the he's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► like the guests he's the guest actor [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► extraordinaire and I thought it was [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► funny because right before i watch this [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► I didn't realize he played he played [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Laszlo and I knew I know him from a [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► dozen other stuff when i was growing up [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► he was on the show the Pretender he had [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► a moment a story or a sort of a major [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► role on that he's Ben's father on lost [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► yeah and most recently I saw him in a [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► guest starring role on supernatural [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► which I thought you would be amused at [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► wow it will do [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► Michael obviously means the word clearly [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► us we really is everywhere but this is [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► this is a defining role every time I see [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► him in a movie like it as well and again [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► this is a movie i had i had almost no [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► memory out but I sure remember level [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► he's like the booger character from from [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► register nerds the booger remember even [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► like everything that I think of him as [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► her violin yeah right from moving more [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► appropriate I'm sure but but last night [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► so I do I say hey its last low [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► but I'm interesting I mean people [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► remember there's there's that memorable [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► scene where they in the closet there's [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the strange little cart that takes you [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► down and into his lair and then also [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► part of his story is that he's entering [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the frito-lay sweepstakes enter as often [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► as you like [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► so he does and he figures he figures [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► he'll win sixty percent of the prizes [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► but he only wins forty percent of the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► prizes and thirty-two percent yeah and [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► he says I gotta figure that one out [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► because there's something wrong with his [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► statistics but that's also based on a [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► true story that somebody i believe at [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► Caltech discovered one of these [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► interests often as you like sweepstakes [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► and did a mass the punch card to meet ya [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► in person [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► yeah which is now the rules have changed [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► in the entryway because somebody figured [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► out how they could gain the system and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► they just toss that in there kind of [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► weirdly and randomly he ends up in a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► Winnebago it was predictive because you [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► know the wired article recently about [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► how lottery systems can be gained if you [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► know a certain you know with a certain [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► efforts around people are starting to [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► win statistically improbable someone [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► like what four hundred thousand dollar [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► prizes in a row and I thought about [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► about last leg return didn't love the [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► best part of the wired article is [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► explaining that how was a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► money-laundering operation for the mob [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► and you know this this is example of it [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► was a minor factor and the just plain [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► old corruption was really everyone money [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► was coming but it was a it was a stats [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► professor I think who figured it out or [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► some other some science as a whole bunch [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► of people breaking the scratch games and [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► yeah but then everything revise them you [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► can make a movie about that real [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► statistics and would all be about [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► lottery and maybe this kind of with no I [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► think you could you could do with the [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► scratch ticket thing you can make that [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► into a movie pretties we would watch [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► them to the algorithm watch them at [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► whiteboards working out algorithms that [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► mild ours to be two-thirds the move now [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► because it moved the movie is about that [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that he figures out the scratch game in [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► the beginning and the movie is about how [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► you know so once you have this knowledge [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► of you cheat your not cheap to become [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► fabulously wealthy and then can you know [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► that's the movie so they try and they [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► tried to make that movie it was called [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► 21 it was based on bringing down the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► oh yeah and it was really really [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► terrible because I as we have learned [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► you even if you have kevin spacey a [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► movie can't really show people trying to [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► counter count cards reduces together is [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► what there's another poker mood poker [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► movie to wasn't there [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► rounders a good program movie [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► I was an excellent for as my favorite [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► Park movie oh my god would you like [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► something I'm grounder sam sanders is a [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► good movie [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that's a very own you know John rounders [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► doesn't have nearly the emotional depth [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► at work it does i think i think it does [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► i think that you feel you feel for you [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► know the the loser friend always pulling [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► them into the bad games you feel for him [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► when he's getting beat down by the the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► cops when they are the cops on out the [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► cheating and the cops game I feel like [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► that was a solid movie [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the only thing ridiculous and movies [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► John Malkovich's character but it's [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► ridiculous in a good way we're talking [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► about the movies with this time but I [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► feel like there's like you know there's [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► like that another trip but it's like [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► Tron and more games which precede this [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► and then and then real genius and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► they're all that same the same genre of [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► film that sort of came when I mean it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► was the eighties part of it the montage [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► of stuff we talked about [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► there's also like what in the nineties i [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► was trying to think of films the [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► nineties that were like this movie in [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► jurassic park with that terrible scene [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► with the girls [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► hacking the unix system they're like [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► flying over the next file system in 3d [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► visualization is the actual purpose are [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► I know it's real but it's like I know [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► unix she says don't forget the quicktime [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► the video conference that's actually a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► QuickTime movie where you can see the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► progress bar the quicktime movie yet [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► with a little scrubber what you see when [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► the scrubber reaches the end time ends [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that's the secret that movie had a dress [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► or kills my god it's really a hard [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► sci-fi movie but with other stuff [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► because I mean the recipe also bring [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► that ridiculously but do we get the [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► blockbuster area where you couldn't do [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► movies that were this is the caltech [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► version of your eighties team movie [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► right i mean that that was a eighties [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► team move them was a thing right in John [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► you can apply that formula to almost any [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► setting and they did also the social [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► network is the 2011 social network is [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► like what nowadays you have taken more [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► seriously and you have to be like [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► dramatic and it's gonna be oscar-worthy [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► like I can't you know because you could [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► have done so from that work in the vein [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► of real genius but they chose not to [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► I what I would like the Winklevoss twins [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► to be in real genius that would be an [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► interesting just they could be can't [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► here's my question for the film where to [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► get the ranking of the smartest people [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► in the world in [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► order we're sharing mutual get it wait [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► wikipedia oh ok Cherie Cherie neutral [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► invented wikipedia didn't you know that [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► would make one last last he's got i can [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► only assume right guys I can only assume [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► that that is a again based on some sort [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► of anecdote or like we're barely manage [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► I'm sure the woman didn't like that [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► though I mean there used to be lists but [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► they were posted and they were [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► circulated and not necessarily so no one [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► else's is a sao paulo i mean that we all [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► talked about how ridiculous the women [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► are treating these movies but i have [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► funded trouble have trouble watching [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► eighties movies because of that you know [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► it's fascinating though about this which [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► I just looked up while watching is this [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► movie was directed by a woman guess it [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► was Martha at the coolidge maybe yeah [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► you don't fault its out of its time [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► right this was just you know it wasn't [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► egregious for its time but now watching [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► it now it's like this is such a waste [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► like every time a woman comes on screen [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► as I go watch you come onto the main [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► character she's it's just such a waste [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► I like why they even in the movie it so [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► at the the woman's weight in the room to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► pee [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► he says you mean she wanted they could [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► even say make love which is the usual [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► eighties horrible euphemism because they [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► don't want to say scx right [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► they said you wanted to jump you you [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► can't even say yeah yeah it's so strange [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► and puritanical the instant he says [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► these are student petitions this may be [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the only time in your life that you may [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► have sex [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► I know but when the kid goes into the [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► room you're right pose to be you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that that's a tease for you but very one [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► of the ball [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► we're just gonna like wait what and it's [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► also kind of liked the you know the [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► people its characters who are not with [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► it who are a little bit reserved [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► yeah so I mean I thought that one slide [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► but i agree that the the women [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► characters are our kind of short trip [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► but then again as Jason I big said you [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know Cal Tech in the eighties i'm sure [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► there were not a ton of women [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► yeah well at least at least although she [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► is a caricature at least there's a [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► positive you know one of the one of the [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► people on the team is is jordan and she [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► is portrayed positively and she's smart [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► but the you're right you've got you've [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► got these other two characters were [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► basically like the daughter of the the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► evil general and the woman who's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► collecting the perpetrators brains and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► science [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and yeah there's no real excuse for that [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► i will say despite being a caricature I [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► knew people who are like Jordan at [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► Celtic I am NOT you [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► she had a character and she wasn't just [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► there you know that that's the typical [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► ladies things where you have the mousy [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► quirky woman but you always get an [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► actress was a knock out any when you try [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► to hunker down that's the eighties yeah [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► but he wants to do that you need to have [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► the trend you have to have the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► transformative scene which they don't do [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► what you shouldn't take it shouldn't [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► take the classes i don't need the [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► Transformers hit they put her in cute [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► little outfits I mean like if you may [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► put his shoes [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► yeah she was you know if you take her [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► out of any of those efforts like she's [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► not your typical student at Cal Tech [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► student everyone else to deny sure but [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► they do give her a funny haircut and [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► they don't do that the rule John I think [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you've got to go all the way right as [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► they start that way and then they take [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► out they get a haircut and the idea of [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► their glasses and they become [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► transformed in Jordan is Jordan [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► throughout the movie she is ready she [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► does have the funny haircut and what is [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► treated in some ways like the like the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► token right to the Osher her close to [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► her clothes good a slightly more [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► reserved no it's it's it's true it's [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► like we cannot have we cannot have a [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► female character in the group of of [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► Heroes so she gets sort of inserted [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► there and she has to be a lot of the [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► trenches the love interest for the hero [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► you know she's never brought its never [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► brought up as though she's the only girl [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► on the floor you know like I feel like [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► in a movie today will be later on they [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► would be there like look she's the you [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► know because they're making bones about [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► ages they would also make bones about [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► you know female male she's not only girl [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► i find it i find a charming that she has [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► no problem just walking into the room [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► the bathroom while Mitch's peeing at the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► urinal and has a whole conversation with [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► him and and when he get he says he can't [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► be she's like is it because I'm here [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► because she's like whatever I don't [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► think this is a big deal it's a it's a [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► cute little snow I I like her as a [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► character actually I think he is she was [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► one of the more human characters in the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► movie she has the same haircut as a [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► person from Tron to silence is an ugly I [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► was definitely argue that olivia wilde [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► probably watch this movie and took some [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► of her car off of that that was all i [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► could think of when I watching this [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► movie that's really interesting i looked [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► up Michelle my ring because i was like [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► she was in a few bars of college movies [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► at the time and apparently she gave up [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► on the glass of Hollywood became a [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► buddhist and like think it was all kind [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► of done which is off [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► some I was like that's great and he [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► should know I just I was like whatever [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► happened it's like oh she said she just [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► decided this is all material and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► pointless and moved to Vancouver [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► something like yeah i wish i could say [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► that about Jared that he's collected [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► he's still like he's kind of handsome [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► now though I yeah he's gonna have so [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► he's got a head shot on IMDb that makes [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► yeah I thought the other night its kind [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► of scary-looking am I the only ones in [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► love with this man what's wrong with [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► this he does have delicate features he [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► it is it is so when I first saw this [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► movie the first like five minutes of it [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► in the movie theater where off they had [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► they they hadn't reset the the right [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► aspect ratio on the projector and so the [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► first time you see Mitch his faces [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► elongated and I thought oh my God he's a [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► horrible elongated freaking when they [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► fixed it you still was it looks a little [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► bit looks a little like a fish that's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► not invited map an animal to him in this [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► movie I know he's gonna listen to the [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► podcast I'm sorry I I i do you know i [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► feel i feel for Mitch right i do i I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► certainly put a lot of my feelings of [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► isolation on to Mitch when i watch this [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► movie I i do i I never you know called [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► my parents from college and asked to [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► come home and discovered my room was [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► rented but I certainly you know had had [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► bad experiences like that and felt [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► isolated like that until you look at a [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► bitch's face and the ended when they're [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► playing it over the loudspeaker right [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and and they have the shots of Mitch you [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► know it is embarrassing moment the worst [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► acting I've ever seen in my entire life [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► like I don't know what expression he was [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► going for there but he might as well [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► been filing the fingernails yep i'm [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► supposed to be said here america i do [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► wonder what would have happened if that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► if they had cast that part a little bit [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► of an actor [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► yeah I i have to wonder after you know [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► it wasn't it wasn't written it wasn't [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► written that well but he didn't you just [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► didn't have that many line to fit like [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► if you ask someone who is not a nerd [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► watches movie who is the main character [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► i bet they'll say Val Kilmer even though [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► the movie opens with Mitch and follow [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► how much they're going to say Val [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► Kilmer's the main character because he [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► comes out of the screen is just like [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► their yeah well you know which is sort [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► of their it's almost like a relay right [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► mitches there to handle [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► off to to Val Kilmer as his mentor and [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► then at that point it's it's yeah but [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it's true imagine if a better actor was [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► playing that playing that part by the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► way it when we talk about realism and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► emotional connections i never once had a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► hot girl in my room when I was hacking [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► into something on my 300 baud modem ally [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► sheedy was legitimately mousy she could [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► not work as a model and she was in she [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► was in short circuited it's good yeah [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► let's not talk about short stylish i [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► love short-circuit you guys elias i like [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► i like the robot to but you know [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► come on we'll get a robotics expert on [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► to explain how that is totally wrong i [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► actually bought a copy of the soundtrack [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► to this which turns out there never was [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► a soundtrack but a guy on ebay basically [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► he had tracked down the vinyl of all the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► songs that were that were in this movie [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and made it into a CD so yes I bought a [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► pirated CD on ebay but that they were [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► basically never released and so yes if [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► you've if you've missed Chaz jankle or [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► the COMSAT angels [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► well you haven't really missed much but [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► they're the ones that are playing over [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► those montages that there is what to [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► fears and bryan adams and I mean it's [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► got some eighties it it definitely sets [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► a set a tone with the with the [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► soundtrack the other songs are like [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► eighties movie soundtrack they're just [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like so on-the-nose they might as well [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► be singing you like one of those things [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► for a literal music videos then I you [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► know and they're working they're not bad [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► but they're closed [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► you know you know it's that I don't look [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► at the one part when I said I I don't [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► like I love this movie I'm ironically [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the part of that I love ironically is [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► the montages because you know yet the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► world could use more montages in their [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► movies i like i love the montage I think [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► the montages yes i know it covers a lot [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► of sins and of screenwriting and there [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► are some very peculiar parts in these [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► montages where characters are talking [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► and you can't hear them and we don't [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► know what they're saying and that's that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► so you have to you have to do that [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► lady's montage that's a big part of it [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► that's what that's what that's where the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► sciences you just insert subtitles a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► science it is actually it's mentioned [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► and Chris talking about lasers and are [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► carrying big print out this is also how [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► you hide scenes that don't work right [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► right exactly [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► montage or that you don't want to do the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► research if you want to rank like a [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► tease montage for like that the best of [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► the eighties montages I guess these are [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► all genre films but these montage for [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► solid babies montage I felt like what up [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► and up in the top I would maybe put with [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► also with ridiculous on-the-nose songs [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► maybe the ones from karate kid when he's [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► training or the Footloose ones when he's [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► learning to dance the list of those are [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► some classic moments from triple-a [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► eighties montage tough one of the things [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► i like about the real genius montages is [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► that there are some good jokes in there [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► one and I i saw this movie right before [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► I went off to college for a couple years [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► before and when I was in college and big [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► lecture halls I would always laugh [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► thinking of that the fact that there's [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► the some people bring their tape [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► recorders and then more prank people [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► bring their tape recorders to the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► lecture over the course of the montage [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► and by the end it's mitch and an [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► electric all full of tape recorders and [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► a reel-to-reel on the table from the [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► professor and everybody's given up on [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► actually coming to class and it's just [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► all recorded i was watching that with [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► someone who looked at me and goes but [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► what is going on here haha i didn't i [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► didn't think young people have even be [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► able to get that only like one of those [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► huge things on the tape recorders will [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► tell you about it later so that the time [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► that was the whole thing it's like I'm [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► just gonna listen to a recording of the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► lecture now what it's like a podcast [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► kids rented that make any did that did [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► that make any sense to you at all the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► tape recorders I recognize just fine [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► because I've been seeing those growing [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► up but the boombox threw me for a loop [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► yes I was gonna say I was that young [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► people are gonna be confused by that [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► boom box they could record to say pilton [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► little Mike's it even the reel-to-reel [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► made sense but the boom box just like [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you eat you you can afford a boombox [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► bridge type recorder i was a college we [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► bought our photographic etching machines [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► so we put the photographic accident you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► your lectures on wax on there and we aim [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► the horn at the professor and we walked [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► off for 10 minutes since we go back and [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► switch the discs i actually just would [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► bring another person are referring when [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► you're talking to take this night over [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► out yeah you know I went off to college [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► I was very sad when we never had a party [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► with student petitions by the way that [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► was a real letdown when you said there [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► was no ice in your hallway I would i was [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► actually quite said that there was no [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► ice in my home now [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► over there hi jinx with laser beams [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► laser beam i have the wrong major [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► clearly majoring in high-tech pranks [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► that's that i make you a major we went [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► to college [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► we'd have we'd have a sorority so you [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know but they weren't student petitions [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it's a very different thing i did so so [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► okay that now that now that Jon and has [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► beaten my favorite movie to death which [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► I expected when I when I invite you i [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► was i was gonna be critical but then [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► John showed up and I feel like you know [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► when you started off I need them i need [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► to mediate a little bit because Justin's [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► here then you know I don't want I don't [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► want to tear it to shreds and well and [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► look I will not [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► although i love this movie I think there [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► are plenty of things to criticize about [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► it and yet i still love it i think it's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► a good movie for 11 year old nerds in [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► the eighties I think that that's the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► best i can say and I think it's a movie [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► with it you know it's certainly not [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► without its redeeming qualities of funny [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► lines a lot of memorable things it was [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► enjoyable to watch [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► I think a lot of the funny lines didn't [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► make me laugh simply because they were [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► so burned into my psyche so it must have [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► really had an effect that must have [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► really had an effect on me in the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► eighties i'm not going to say that [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► wasn't funny even though obviously when [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► you were 11 yeah yeah okay seriously [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► like is that I have the the entire [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► script memorized like so it must have [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► had a big effect on me then but seeing [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► it again now the jokes weren't [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► surprising and they didn't laugh at them [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► again but I don't think it's because [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► they weren't funny is just because they [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► paroled to me so i don't i'm not going [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► to say that it wasn't funny but I'll [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► states that it's an hour an hour and a [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► half of my life that that I'm I'm happy [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► not to have back [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► oh wow that's a ringing endorsement or [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► at least a ringing something you know [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► they're the you know III it's hard for [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► me to judge it because I've seen this [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► movie so many times now that it is like [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► comfort food and and yet some of the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► some of the dialogue yes some of the [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► jokes I just kind of got stalkers like [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► yeah whatever the DL he wants to see [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► more of you in the lab I'll gain weight [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► just now forget it but you know there [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► are their wines in there that that kill [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► me to this day so i think i caught a new [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► one that it didn't catch when I was 11 [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► and Jason you could tell me if I'm [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► imagining this actually googled the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► script and i could not fight [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► didn't script but it was it was just as [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► they were cutting away from the scene is [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► set under someone's breath but there [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► they made some gag line where somebody a [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► desk said so-and-so is coming and the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► other person's reply just before the [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► cutaway was he's barely breathing hard [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► it's not even breathing hard yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► that I did not get when I was when I was [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► not that ok but i did get it this time [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► around somehow it doesn't that was the [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► one rock that I didn't know it was [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► we can i let me let me okay I'm gonna [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► since we're wrapping up i can tell [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► rapping I'm gonna question what where [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► people's favorite films if I remember [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► that wasn't from that from that period I [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► know something like that some of us were [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► young [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► we're not born but you know mine was [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► gonna come out and tell you hi lander [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► not from the time but watching later I [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► know which is horrible but I watched [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that movie I think dozens dozens of [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► times with a group of people a few years [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► after it came out it was so bad and [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► cheesy and full queen song that was [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► great movie when I was 14 years exactly [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► is it does not age well is not age well [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► but it is it doesn't take herself [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► totally seriously either it's got [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► ridiculous crap in it and it's funny and [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► whatever it's a stupid film with anybody [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► else in the film like this is real [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► genius is Jason's stick in the sand 495 [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► we already brought it up but war games i [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► watched endlessly from age like age 72 [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► about age 14 [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► it was one of the many videos that we [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► had taped on our beta player so I was [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► just like I get home and I'd pop it in [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► and I'm like man maki broader it's so [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► which is funny because I didn't actually [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► like Ferris wasn't top on my list is [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► that lady lady lock that I do for you [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► know but I loved war games there was [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► just something there was something about [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► that to the point where I like named my [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► first couple of computers Falcon and [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► like huh it was it was very very strange [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► but I still hold he was vulnerable and [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► he wore a hoodie i started war dialing [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► because four games i had my 300 baud [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► modem and i actually found a couple of [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► things in my little small town is there [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► a statute of limitations well I didn't [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► really get anywhere but i did find the [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► local hospital actually had an open line [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► but we couldn't figure out what the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► password was because I didn't have the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► algorithm that lets you just start with [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► AAA [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► five minutes get it only takes six hours [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► Jason I don't know what your problem [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► let's do realize the password the [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► password i used to try used to try to [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► telnet I tried that didn't work [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► although although it is already been [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► been roundly booed i will still say that [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► that short circuit to me because it was [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► one of those movies that I saw so much [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► when I was a kid I didn't watch a lot of [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► movies when I was like you know you know [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► a lot of small kid I watched things like [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► Star Wars or whatever but like I didn't [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► watch a lot of other movies because I [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► just didn't really wasn't really into it [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► I'll Star Wars was that a movie from the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► eighties no those are those have no time [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that was from their timeless 77 with you [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► might be more familiar with its star [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► wars the empire but i found it [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► interesting while watching this how many [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► similarities i saw to the themes of [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► short circuit which I love as a movie [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► maybe they mainly because it just has a [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► a wisecracking robot in it but that's [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► that's a movie that i can quote like [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► like have you seen it recently and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► you're still able to [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► yes i have it still remains iro maybe [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► it's just a nostalgia factor for me but [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it really remains the like I don't know [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► I i find a hugely mean I think there's [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► something to be said for having a movie [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► or some movies that you know by heart [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► and that are like I said it's almost [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► like comfort food i will i will say i [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► make sure when I'm going on a long trip [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that I've got some device of mine with [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► real genius loaded on it just because [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► when I've been up for like twenty two [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► straight hours and i'm still you know [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► three hours from finally getting home [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► uh I i will put that on and I feel you [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► know a comfortable and happy and and I [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► notice things I actually notice things [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► that I haven't noticed before every [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► single time i watch it and I think about [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► it and I think how many movies have I [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► watched over the years that if I decided [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► to take the time and watch it 10 times [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► they would completely unfold and I [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► totally get it and I would think it was [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► the most amazing movie ever and you know [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► the fact is you never do that with most [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► movies but I i do believe every well not [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► every movie lots of movies have the this [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► level in it that most people don't [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► appreciate because you know you have to [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► see it a lot of times to get it [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► it also it also helps the movies where [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► it's like you know I I bonded with a [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► good friend of mine over short circuit [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► you know of course we can quote it back [TS]