The Incomparable

22: Stephen Fry (Does Not Appear)

 

  the incomparable Todd test number 22 [TS]

  January 2011 recorded live in front of a [TS]

  studio audience of one [TS]

  it's friday night it's 9pm Pacific do [TS]

  you know where your children and you [TS]

  know what we're doing because we're [TS]

  party animals [TS]

  we're all drinking tea like the English [TS]

  dreamy me know in comments to do that [TS]

  wasn't even an English accent I wished [TS]

  it was it just sounds kind of pompous I [TS]

  want to talk about you know what Stephen [TS]

  Fry ok Mycroft Holmes all right so mark [TS]

  gatiss I don't want to talk about any so [TS]

  let me explain what's happening here [TS]

  this is the uncomfortable podcast i am [TS]

  jason l apparently your host because [TS]

  I've been declared so by Dan Morris the [TS]

  the sort of explain we are here though [TS]

  there is a scalar is too much [TS]

  don't let me sum up normally when we do [TS]

  these podcasts we are scattered across [TS]

  the four corners of the earth or at [TS]

  least of the United States and we do it [TS]

  all with the magic of skype and that's [TS]

  why this podcast is so very wrong [TS]

  because we're all in a little room where [TS]

  they turned off the air conditioning and [TS]

  we're all slowly going to suffocate on [TS]

  jason's quest recording this together [TS]

  why is this night different from all the [TS]

  night um maybe they said there are not [TS]

  enough people in the room who get that [TS]

  so I like I get it yeah I know you do I [TS]

  know you do know you do i'm pointing and [TS]

  our audience yes we we do have an [TS]

  audience of one who's taking up the [TS]

  oxygen its gonna be like the cold [TS]

  equations actually at some point [TS]

  somebody's gonna have to die and we're [TS]

  going to shoot them out the door of the [TS]

  podcast room just in order to keep [TS]

  enough oxygen going this time on the [TS]

  uncomfortable we slowly kill off members [TS]

  of the cast will survive [TS]

  yes that would be a great episode so [TS]

  joining me here if it isn't already [TS]

  obvious in this room today locked in its [TS]

  like a locked-room mystery the mystery [TS]

  is what are we talking about some time [TS]

  and our suspects are myself jason l also [TS]

  known as Professor plum across from me [TS]

  is serenity Caldwell miss Scarlett [TS]

  hiding [TS]

  uh next to her is Glenn fleischmann [TS]

  Colonel Mustard i'm holding a pipe there [TS]

  is no pipe there is no pipe that Hisle [TS]

  next to me like that to me is dan dan [TS]

  moore and mr. green eyed see ok mr. [TS]

  green it is and our audience is holding [TS]

  a candlestick and [TS]

  and wherein is that like you so wait are [TS]

  our loan audience member could be mr. [TS]

  body he is just the island he's the [TS]

  unnamed victim mr. body is here with us [TS]

  has a name [TS]

  tvs Lex Friedman see and this is great [TS]

  because we have laughter but it's not a [TS]

  laugh track it's just a guy but he [TS]

  laughs every time the same way as me [TS]

  maybe it's like the first season as my [TS]

  last night [TS]

  ok so glad you said you wanted to talk [TS]

  about Stephen friday then I'd always [TS]

  want to talk about Stephen Fry because [TS]

  he is possibly the most interesting [TS]

  person the world not just doesn't listen [TS]

  to this quietness it's almost over [TS]

  alright well we could tweet it to him in [TS]

  any case so Stephen Fry has been [TS]

  tweeting that he will be playing Mycroft [TS]

  Holmes in an upcoming second sherlock [TS]

  holmes movie with Robert Downey jr. jr. [TS]

  students to hear yet that's the horns [TS]

  week already down to do not i just use [TS]

  your friends column June June RDG so a [TS]

  UH treated the gs4 to your GSI and [TS]

  besides so Stephen Fry has my craft Mart [TS]

  gallery Morty market money Morty Mark [TS]

  Gatiss played sure my craft Sherlock's [TS]

  elder brother in the recent BBC [TS]

  adaptation that we all talked about [TS]

  right the type of muffins and and market [TS]

  if I was smart I would look up who [TS]

  played a mini Jeremy Brett series it's a [TS]

  it's a I don't the underlord it was [TS]

  episode something so he was Blofeld in [TS]

  diamonds are forever with a terrible [TS]

  bond I've seen all the bonds and let me [TS]

  tell you diamonds are forever [TS]

  that was the movie is that not the movie [TS]

  where Sean Connery came back after [TS]

  departing no no you think I've never say [TS]

  never again [TS]

  no no no but he came back he quit and [TS]

  then George Lazenby did on her majesty's [TS]

  secret service and then they na through [TS]

  a lot of money at sean connery to come [TS]

  back and do one last bono the heat films [TS]

  like five or six up front he left last [TS]

  he came in after lesson he was more and [TS]

  alone this there's a one-off which is [TS]

  not is one of those ones that like the [TS]

  broccoli family did not only racing [TS]

  royale no no that there's also never say [TS]

  never again will that which is wonderful [TS]

  that the ball right and he's got great [TS]

  hair [TS]

  it's sean connery and it's like 1980 and [TS]

  like kim basinger around [TS]

  I don't think that's the you know now at [TS]

  a risk of destroying our computer I [TS]

  don't think that's the bond timeline [TS]

  well sorry what we're talking about [TS]

  James blood bond over this is gonna be [TS]

  like the eight degrees of parentheses [TS]

  one large cast is one more mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 uncovered a movie [TS]

  made by sean connery's brother in which [TS]

  he plays James Bond's brother a man who [TS]

  can control people with his mind and [TS]

  they pronounced off and they bring I [TS]

  think it's the guy plays Blofeld also is [TS]

  in this terrible terrible movie in which [TS]

  and it opens with the villain projecting [TS]

  a movie on a nude back of a woman [TS]

  because that's apparently what villains [TS]

  do they use women as a kind of furniture [TS]

  not very good for movies free screen as [TS]

  well its kind of furniture not like [TS]

  mackerel is just to be clear here and to [TS]

  show that Dan Morgan is wrong again [TS]

  online Majesty's Secret Service was [TS]

  start star George Lazenby has released [TS]

  in 1969 it didn't go so well and they [TS]

  said please please Sean Connery come [TS]

  back to be James Bond which is why he [TS]

  appeared in diamonds are forever in 1971 [TS]

  with the guy who is mycroft and sherlock [TS]

  holmes terrible movie and that was his [TS]

  last movie until he did the never say [TS]

  never again kind of contractual [TS]

  obligation think and then Roger Moore [TS]

  came in so what do you know you know did [TS]

  it was not something so actually it was [TS]

  economies products in the over Connery [TS]

  then more i have it on good authority [TS]

  from person who interviewed Sean Connery [TS]

  and multiplication that he is a not very [TS]

  smart [TS]

  gentlemen even in his prime as you need [TS]

  to borrow additional glad that we have a [TS]

  great day ahead of us comrade I'm a rush [TS]

  so terrible that Sean Connery did is our [TS]

  nose and eyes like with one of our God [TS]

  is a good i learned with highlander [TS]

  through when i was thinking is our God [TS]

  Zardoz Zardo money and activity there's [TS]

  lots of disease there's also highlander [TS]

  to the money collecting yes well the [TS]

  interval that's for sure [TS]

  yes it's that is that was highlighted to [TS]

  we're bringing back from the dead so he [TS]

  can make some more money a terrible [TS]

  highlander 33 highlander film i like i [TS]

  like that in the first Lander movie he [TS]

  is the only actual Scottish person in [TS]

  the movie and he plays an Egyptian and [TS]

  you have heard you have heard Mr [TS]

  Christopher Lambert has a terrible [TS]

  terrible scotch and you have heard who's [TS]

  the late-night host who is mr. wick on [TS]

  craig ferguson Ferguson's a whole rant [TS]

  about the fact that they get a Scots [TS]

  when he goes to Scotland in the movie [TS]

  Highlander and then does a spanish fake [TS]

  Egyptian accent the only movie that Sean [TS]

  Connery was ever in which he should have [TS]

  actually use outside so it doesn't use a [TS]

  different accent he still sounds like [TS]

  one from Egypt value thousand years old [TS]

  that's that's his voice how is it [TS]

  possible that i have more control over [TS]

  this podcast when you're on skype then [TS]

  when you're in the room with me how [TS]

  would you got your muscle because we [TS]

  can't even like we can't let go over [TS]

  each other its former when we're outside [TS]

  the beauty very then i can cut you out [TS]

  here I can't do anything [TS]

  no just talking you're all at our mercy [TS]

  so Stephen Fry leaving fri wonderful [TS]

  actor [TS]

  where were you going with stout as [TS]

  opposed to Tolland I was just thinking [TS]

  about my just like Mycroft Holmes smart [TS]

  game is like bikes the word bird girl [TS]

  I'm just time I'm just talking about [TS]

  Mycroft ladies watch your man that [TS]

  Mycroft is one badjojo matter i like [TS]

  talking a little brother I can I like [TS]

  corporate detectives who sitting [TS]

  comfortable chairs is there and that is [TS]

  a someone like Scott not be liking [TS]

  historical like fiction that begins with [TS]

  the letter W I don't know that in New [TS]

  York it is you know anyone there are [TS]

  there are many many detectives in this [TS]

  category and I will defend that I'll [TS]

  defend the indefensible [TS]

  alright so see them so what so so a [TS]

  proposed you have a list of two so far [TS]

  stephen fry is Mycroft Holmes vegas is [TS]

  is Mycroft Holmes in this be interesting [TS]

  because because Sherlock Holmes is in [TS]

  the public domain we have these two [TS]

  franchises of Sherlock Holmes [TS]

  on simultaneously you don't want to [TS]

  start me down that path sherlock holmes [TS]

  is not in the public domain precisely [TS]

  and it is the most boring story i could [TS]

  possibly tell you I'm really review some [TS]

  of it in the public domain sort of this [TS]

  issue about oh don't get me started [TS]

  there's a new york times article that [TS]

  smells and marvelously if it if [TS]

  listeners can use the google tell us [TS]

  about wireless standards it's you i'm [TS]

  not going there the I Triple E in 140 [TS]

  characters or less go well you see no [TS]

  actually it's there's an interesting [TS]

  story there is interesting story i will [TS]

  get interesting story of this god damn [TS]

  it I store now we have to use the [TS]

  explicit rating you market is so the [TS]

  interesting story is your lesson what [TS]

  happens is there is a literary figures [TS]

  such as I know Agatha Christie or Arthur [TS]

  Conan Doyle or someone who writes a [TS]

  series of interesting novels and TV [TS]

  shows whatever and then they die and [TS]

  their spouse remarries and the person to [TS]

  marry is often a lawyer who is very good [TS]

  at exploiting the rights of dead people [TS]

  literary properties that minutes in and [TS]

  of itself could be a TV show that would [TS]

  be a great TV show don't have a kindle [TS]

  here is everybody okay with her keel I [TS]

  go without a light Murder She Wrote and [TS]

  then he died and then she wrote murder [TS]

  and murder murder she posthumously [TS]

  cashed in the pond [TS]

  wow that's the title of the pot you know [TS]

  Angela Lansbury been needing some more [TS]

  clearly [TS]

  yes well ever since you live right ever [TS]

  since she married george orwell she that [TS]

  was a match maiden George or one [TS]

  direction it works this is the worst [TS]

  room in the world right now isn't it [TS]

  it's really isn't it really warm and [TS]

  this wasn't drinking tea [TS]

  are we in the I feel like we're in the [TS]

  box i'm not prison like when you put [TS]

  your solid was like walking around like [TS]

  a homicide where Frank Pendleton is [TS]

  gonna come maybe a little bit i know you [TS]

  did it slowly boiling frog that's the [TS]

  part again and get back to the initial [TS]

  concept of this podcast gradually each [TS]

  of us will die leaving only lacks alive [TS]

  that's comparable for his that's murder [TS]

  by death this is the plot is murdered by [TS]

  death isn't it [TS]

  you know Peter fall down yes and her [TS]

  Truman Capote so so Stephen frost office [TS]

  suite [TS]

  he was no not yet born by sometime but [TS]

  when I was this is a long before you are [TS]

  out but like my mom took me in a bunch [TS]

  of friends besides you're going to [TS]

  murder by death murder by death for you [TS]

  know birthday party for my friends that [TS]

  secret movie this is a picture with her [TS]

  like I was our hidden ironic message in [TS]

  madden and their corporate detectives in [TS]

  that film is the name of this episode [TS]

  the corpulent the curious case of the [TS]

  corpulent you all rounder and within [TS]

  your color did you picture will be gone [TS]

  is there was there more about stephen [TS]

  fry or were you in the air with that was [TS]

  all you had was good friends with better [TS]

  way to pick up you started and said you [TS]

  know Stephen Fry an interesting story [TS]

  he's going to be my cross he end of line [TS]

  i have a friend in Rome you know [TS]

  wow damn orange head has hit the table [TS]

  ladies and gentlemen this is what [TS]

  happens when we don't prepare I like to [TS]

  apologize to everybody all ready for [TS]

  this but it sounds like one of the other [TS]

  podcast i used to do with my friend and [TS]

  I would just sit online and riff for 20 [TS]

  minutes they said week with a lot on [TS]

  your subjects when I was a kid my note [TS]

  to self used to do the used to do the [TS]

  voices bow with Jason's thing I don't [TS]

  know how he knew when a time travel [TS]

  thing really remember the I it was a boy [TS]

  talk in the home alone movies or [TS]

  something like that it's like the little [TS]

  the little handheld recorder [TS]

  oh that he used to like simulate the at [TS]

  the mob guys I had I had the girly [TS]

  version of this sad [TS]

  Thank will call girl talking was called [TS]

  girl talk and it was terrifying and I [TS]

  got it from a friend is a what Mary [TS]

  different was just pink it was purple [TS]

  actually we're gonna try fix all of this [TS]

  imposed do my job to get back to the [TS]

  point I was originally even tried but [TS]

  he's great he's very talented [TS]

  you know you know you know what's a good [TS]

  movie now I the movie that that he's in [TS]

  that I really love in in a desperate [TS]

  attempt to get this on some sort of [TS]

  track is is V for Vendetta [TS]

  that's a serious role right i mean [TS]

  pretty much I've seen it and it's it's [TS]

  really plays a comedian he does have a [TS]

  little italy is a comedian who is sort [TS]

  of protecting his private life and and [TS]

  is empty [TS]

  shields Natalie Portman who I know is [TS]

  near and dear today the seals are by [TS]

  hiding under a bed because secret forces [TS]

  and the totalitarian government would [TS]

  never look under a bed remarkable best [TS]

  you could come up with and then he is [TS]

  then he's taken away and executed [TS]

  basically so what's the secret forces do [TS]

  not spoil or worn that was that is the [TS]

  best boiler horn everything like the [TS]

  spoiler quack spoilers doc Sophie for [TS]

  vendetta I you know the Wachowski [TS]

  brothers who did the matrix and then [TS]

  they made those terrible terrible sequel [TS]

  to the matrix and they didn't sequels [TS]

  that the gun that right now says there's [TS]

  two more coming know that there was [TS]

  doing that 10 but i think i'm not didn't [TS]

  actually directed they produced it and [TS]

  they had like the guy who is their [TS]

  second grader James McTeague yeah and [TS]

  and you know i know some people don't [TS]

  like that movie i love that movie I [TS]

  think that's quick i think that same [TS]

  sorry and it's based on comic book you [TS]

  know Alan more comic book but it's not [TS]

  you know not a super here we come you [TS]

  know it's just a funny thing [TS]

  I'll more didn't like the movie shallow [TS]

  going to be fair alan moore doesn't like [TS]

  specifically requested his name be taken [TS]

  over here JJ not ever [TS]

  well I mean you know to be fair did [TS]

  anyone else see League of Extraordinary [TS]

  Gentlemen that you're John ghadiri and [TS]

  all goes back up from would never let me [TS]

  die [TS]

  that's that is a fun movie though I mean [TS]

  fly safe have fun tonight I would not [TS]

  like to see basement but it's if you [TS]

  wanted the most basic on it's enjoyable [TS]

  it's it's a good enjoyable movie and I [TS]

  know it talks you know and i think you [TS]

  can read it i mean i think at the time [TS]

  it there [TS]

  the way to read it and the way it was [TS]

  coded which was about a criticism of [TS]

  like the bush administration and the war [TS]

  in iraq but i think on a broader level [TS]

  just viewing it again as a movie about a [TS]

  totalitarian see I think there's [TS]

  something for everyone in there right I [TS]

  i think that little girls so terrorism [TS]

  you know yeah that's right free John [TS]

  Hurt is as essentially as big brother [TS]

  um i just i i really like that moving [TS]

  their couple of lovely little eggs in it [TS]

  too like the 10-minute I don't remember [TS]

  the app the actress who plays with the [TS]

  valerie sequence where he's just reading [TS]

  the letters and that's directly from the [TS]

  Communist present comics to yeah that's [TS]

  one of the whatever reading the comic [TS]

  about few months after i saw the film [TS]

  but i only read it online and i think it [TS]

  was only available in like bits and [TS]

  pieces are pirated gettin it's it's [TS]

  beautiful and and yeah that is so [TS]

  touching the the well although the one [TS]

  part of the movie where I really kind of [TS]

  went 'damn is the whole hey natalie [TS]

  portman you're gonna be tortured and [TS]

  we're gonna tell you that you're dying [TS]

  and it's all fake out and there was no [TS]

  everyone well I think about that and I [TS]

  wasn't really a fake-out or but she [TS]

  wasn't complicit in it but it's you know [TS]

  his he/she it's kind of creepy because [TS]

  she accepts it like she goes she's got [TS]

  mad briefly then she feels liberated and [TS]

  I'm like is this a vindication of [TS]

  psychological torture sort of [TS]

  brainwashed right in a way I mean that's [TS]

  one of the interesting things about the [TS]

  movies and then she has her freedom [TS]

  because he's brainwashed her by breaking [TS]

  her through torture but he never breaks [TS]

  or she never confesses she never [TS]

  confesses right that is you know how he [TS]

  picks her that's a good 1984 call back [TS]

  to writing i watch the movie actually [TS]

  when I want to be for vendetta i was [TS]

  drawn back to John Hurt in 1984 which is [TS]

  around in that movie is that is a freaky [TS]

  wonderful underrated film and it's very [TS]

  effective to the book and there's a ton [TS]

  of callbacks including the giant screen [TS]

  envy for the net as a call back to [TS]

  Reggie right right that's I mean she's [TS]

  already set up so its interests it's [TS]

  interesting the the 1984 is an [TS]

  interesting example of a book that is [TS]

  considered great literature and kids [TS]

  read in school and you know you can't [TS]

  not call that a sci-fi book except i [TS]

  think people don't because they're [TS]

  afraid to categorize it as that visual [TS]

  it is a lot of great things wrong in [TS]

  1948 rights and there's a there's a lot [TS]

  of get great thought-provoking [TS]

  literature that is you know technically [TS]

  science fiction but it's very often [TS]

  represent under the guise well i'm [TS]

  thinking again you know it along similar [TS]

  lines fahrenheit 451 which is going on a [TS]

  book that i love but i think it is an [TS]

  interesting book it's not my favorite [TS]

  Bradbury work I think he's done [TS]

  for work elsewhere but it's the one that [TS]

  so that's mostly popular and i actually [TS]

  got into a discussion with someone [TS]

  recently about that because I mean it's [TS]

  very similar to 1984 in some themes but [TS]

  one of my friends like oh right [TS]

  Bradbury's crazy said fahrenheit 451 [TS]

  that isn't a book about censorship when [TS]

  clearly and i said well i just reread it [TS]

  it isn't about censorship really it's [TS]

  about people the the population [TS]

  willfully becoming sort of anesthetized [TS]

  to like what's going on around them they [TS]

  don't want to know anything they're [TS]

  censoring themselves and the antithesis [TS]

  of people coming in memorizing books and [TS]

  passing them on orally in right which is [TS]

  it again it's it's a book that I find it [TS]

  more interesting in in in its ideas than [TS]

  its execution so i will say that i love [TS]

  the was the movie made in like the [TS]

  seventies eighties yeah they tried to [TS]

  get a remake for years off the ground [TS]

  and it never took off that film was one [TS]

  of the first science-fiction related [TS]

  films i saw after Star Wars and it stuck [TS]

  in my mind like it's one of the many [TS]

  films that I saw on beta tape and that [TS]

  film in particular stuck with me over [TS]

  and over i don't think i read the the [TS]

  actual book until much later there are [TS]

  certain images like images of that I the [TS]

  monorail or whatever the high train i [TS]

  just remember the the giant like the [TS]

  architecture and things like that and [TS]

  it's just it's a very striking film even [TS]

  if it's not entirely solid I haven't [TS]

  seen it i have not either i read the [TS]

  breadline high school yeah i reread it a [TS]

  couple years ago because i was i was [TS]

  interested to see I i read some other [TS]

  Bradbury stuff and really liked it and [TS]

  was just sort of like I should go back [TS]

  and read fahrenheit for yeah he's cool [TS]

  he's really good actually a fantastic [TS]

  writer and if there's a one-book i would [TS]

  recommend it's something wicked this way [TS]

  home yes that which is a great sense [TS]

  look bill is about childhood Spence [TS]

  chills up my spine read that read it i [TS]

  read that in i had just moved into my [TS]

  life after college like my first [TS]

  apartment I didn't have like a bed yet i [TS]

  remember had less sleep and like a [TS]

  mattress on the floor reading this book [TS]

  and it really is it's not it's not scary [TS]

  but it's creepy and like a really [TS]

  effective way and it's just it's his his [TS]

  prose is honestly lyrical really when it [TS]

  gets down to it in a way that I don't [TS]

  think a lot of people right and I've [TS]

  read a couple other things by him since [TS]

  time that I like them i go back and [TS]

  forth but but that [TS]

  one this particular stuck in my mind is [TS]

  like it just it's so evocative there's a [TS]

  a forget how could the movie is 90 [TS]

  adaptation 1981 of the TV movie with [TS]

  like jonathan pryce i knows jason [TS]

  robards now they're the the thickets [TS]

  uneven but jason robards fine actor and [TS]

  he's very moving as the father needs a [TS]

  father worried about losing his son the [TS]

  son want to grow faster than he could [TS]

  and the Ray Bradbury he's only you know [TS]

  he always fought and fights the [TS]

  science-fiction label because he thinks [TS]

  of himself as you know writing the Great [TS]

  American Novel or short story over and [TS]

  over again and it uses the least amount [TS]

  of fantasy or science fiction horror [TS]

  elements that he can to convey the [TS]

  emotional reality of what he's saying [TS]

  we've got very seriously also what you [TS]

  also write so if you ever get a chance [TS]

  to read his essays he has written some [TS]

  fabulous s have a collection of essays [TS]

  including at least one about I think [TS]

  about Apple we talked a bit about it [TS]

  about Apple computers and I think like [TS]

  into them in some ways to disney he was [TS]

  I think he was friends with walt disney [TS]

  at some point helping with some of the [TS]

  like Disney World planning or what have [TS]

  you and there's a cryogenic crypt [TS]

  awaiting him check out when i got my cab [TS]

  thanks [TS]

  Wow short stories are also very [TS]

  brilliant s4 space is one of the first [TS]

  science fiction books I ever checked out [TS]

  from the library i must have been like [TS]

  six or seven and it was most of it was [TS]

  very much over my head and very scary [TS]

  but I like I kept that book from the [TS]

  library for about six months and paid a [TS]

  whole lot of overdue fines out of my [TS]

  lions but it was my favorite book and I [TS]

  read it over and over and over for at [TS]

  least a year i was reading some short [TS]

  story collection by him recently and i [TS]

  found it i guess i don't know i was a [TS]

  little disappointed because I found a [TS]

  lot of the story is very like kind of [TS]

  hit you over the head with the with the [TS]

  symbolism some of them i mean yeah like [TS]

  there's one that's for example basically [TS]

  about like what if there's this planet [TS]

  of aliens and like Jesus came down and [TS]

  like a spaceship or something and [TS]

  everybody like you know people ignoring [TS]

  basically I mean it's and kind available [TS]

  it's very thinly veiled and so it was a [TS]

  little bit and and there i mean ii still [TS]

  a great writer i think but it it's not [TS]

  as i don't know i found it a little to [TS]

  hit me over the head of the message [TS]

  well and i think that's that's really [TS]

  where it's what's best and what what [TS]

  syfy does best [TS]

  I'm is it is well it makes you happy my [TS]

  story Jesus is a robot makes you [TS]

  re-evaluate that Robo Jesus I am I mean [TS]

  throw but Jesus that was restrained and [TS]

  I was trying to do filme are there and I [TS]

  didn't have my own completely tangential [TS]

  note too that I mean we tangents away [TS]

  now [TS]

  well once read real yeah I need to step [TS]

  back to Ray Bradbury because i was [TS]

  looking more time i was looking up the [TS]

  fahrenheit 451 movie which is made in [TS]

  1966 directed by francois truffaut like [TS]

  which I did and starring starting Oscar [TS]

  water and julie christie which I oh [TS]

  never really couldn't Truffaut making [TS]

  just talking about you know influential [TS]

  directors make cool [TS]

  yes also layers who saw the original [TS]

  arrangement friend Larry at night is a [TS]

  fascinating movie partly because it [TS]

  includes long I mean it's a you know [TS]

  it's a very stylistic film but it is as [TS]

  one of the most disturbing things you [TS]

  can see because a lot of that the one [TS]

  without George Clooney would have [TS]

  charged pretty it's it's disturbing [TS]

  because it's it presents no it's all [TS]

  about simulacrum what is real what is [TS]

  not real and things being created from [TS]

  memory but it's disturbing that the [TS]

  things that should be most disturbing [TS]

  are presented in a very ordinary fashion [TS]

  such as they're orbiting this star you [TS]

  know far from Earth of the sort of no [TS]

  explanation of the science and getting [TS]

  there whatever let's just they do that [TS]

  but the fact that the star turns out to [TS]

  be an intel intelligent creating life [TS]

  from their memories and so forth is [TS]

  that's that in you know these people are [TS]

  presented other actors nose doesn't need [TS]

  to be special effects like his dead wife [TS]

  appears and he has to cope with that [TS]

  even though he knows she's a simulacrum [TS]

  it's um it's very psychologically [TS]

  disturbing in the middle of all this [TS]

  dispensable science fiction isn't like [TS]

  five hours longer yeah there's there's a [TS]

  scene where he's driving the astronauts [TS]

  driving from his you know the doctor or [TS]

  something into is a doctor to the city [TS]

  that goes on in real and I know exactly [TS]

  how you're not sure like this is 20 [TS]

  minutes the man driving a car but it's [TS]

  sort of trying to I think p.m. [TS]

  simulations have you seen lights and [TS]

  excellence and you have you seen the [TS]

  fountain has anybody seen found any [TS]

  right now I you see in the many of the [TS]

  long series of things that God is not [TS]

  finished i tried to watch them [TS]

  uh-huh out nice i like the [TS]

  and although I mean I i I'm not sure [TS]

  whether I like it or I appreciate it was [TS]

  trying to do in which failed at but it [TS]

  is roger ebert recently wrote an [TS]

  appreciation of it because Darren [TS]

  Aronofsky just directed that is the [TS]

  fighter help and no xbox one and the [TS]

  rest opinions bell x-1 haven't seen I [TS]

  can't wait to see his follow-up [TS]

  Wolverine that's not a joke he's [TS]

  directing makes me think I mind but but [TS]

  the the but it's like that the the [TS]

  fountain is similar in that way where [TS]

  it's a I mean it's three stories that [TS]

  are interlocked where it's the same guy [TS]

  and he's a conquistadora working for [TS]

  Queen Isabella and then that he's a guy [TS]

  whose wife is it is Isabel and is dying [TS]

  of cancer and then there's this [TS]

  astronaut and and it's still Hugh [TS]

  Jackman again see wolverine [TS]

  internationally and and he's in the far [TS]

  future and he's on this tree spaceship [TS]

  that's going to the star and his will a [TS]

  10 and it's and you know the Ebert's [TS]

  pieces is about how it's really you know [TS]

  you could the present day is the reality [TS]

  the past is story is the story that his [TS]

  wife is writing because she's a novelist [TS]

  and in the future is he had she dies and [TS]

  he has to finish her novel and he dreams [TS]

  that he's bringing her back to life on [TS]

  this spaceship and it's beautiful but it [TS]

  is it is slow and weird and when you [TS]

  describe solaris I thought that you know [TS]

  that sort of like the fountain although [TS]

  although some sunshine the danny boyle [TS]

  movie is also slow and weird and I'm not [TS]

  sure it makes sense more like you have a [TS]

  large it yeah I sort of a great a great [TS]

  game you can play is summarized are [TS]

  incredibly complicated movie in one [TS]

  sentence that destroys all beauty and [TS]

  meaning it [TS]

  thank you very okay this is no I mean [TS]

  Roger everything it's like it's very [TS]

  complicated i'm not i mean i'm sort of [TS]

  like it is that an American society a [TS]

  man in a mask decides to blow up [TS]

  Parliament to that's good at that's good [TS]

  yeah rich guy likes his sled [TS]

  oh that's boiler horn everybody [TS]

  I think I've been more like Rich Jerk [TS]

  just misses his slider that's the thing [TS]

  that I've always found really curious [TS]

  about the fountain which I never saw but [TS]

  I heard a lot about it technically [TS]

  because I have friends who are very sort [TS]

  of into the technical things that all [TS]

  the space effects and the fountain and [TS]

  all of the really interesting kind of [TS]

  weird visual effects were all created by [TS]

  filming things splitting under a [TS]

  microscope coils and so yeah and and [TS]

  putting putting oils and sew all there's [TS]

  like I think there's a scene of the [TS]

  universe exploding or something not [TS]

  exploding but well yeah I think that's [TS]

  the whole like end with the tree and [TS]

  this light and the game cosmos HD is [TS]

  weird [TS]

  cosmos for the ipad actually reminds me [TS]

  of this movie I'm not kidding because [TS]

  it's strange forms that seem alive [TS]

  moving back and forth and undulating are [TS]

  out man with it but Stephen Fry yeah [TS]

  that no reason it's not so so backing it [TS]

  up again [TS]

  uh other any other like books that you [TS]

  were assigned in school that are [TS]

  supposed to be great literature that it [TS]

  that are sort of shh don't tell anybody [TS]

  that it's actually most brave new world [TS]

  the world's yummiest classic example a [TS]

  hard time getting through an amazing [TS]

  woman yeah but he was also one of those [TS]

  that's high acclaim literature and [TS]

  without using hard we just want to [TS]

  justify the water and its sequel was [TS]

  really hard to read to review was so [TS]

  hard that my favorite favorite favorite [TS]

  brave new world with a vengeance please [TS]

  I don't even remember our the old where [TS]

  there may be actually right now we're [TS]

  brave new world to yes the world being [TS]

  electric building a world in the blue [TS]

  electric boogaloo its all-electric moby [TS]

  dick weed is science fiction highway [TS]

  like the admin telepathic about the [TS]

  winch by that by super-intelligent by [TS]

  that a tragic you know you have reserved [TS]

  connected to 20,000 leagues under the [TS]

  sea spongebob and also sighs make sure [TS]

  there are no talking to the man is a [TS]

  sponge I did was your Jules Verne [TS]

  basically as the inventor of science [TS]

  fiction right yet essential that one [TS]

  could argue he's a time traveler because [TS]

  he really had way too much knowledge of [TS]

  the future when you wrote the book on it [TS]

  really great the future or perhaps [TS]

  everybody read the books and was like we [TS]

  need to move [TS]

  course this kind of societal that's [TS]

  that's a 4 chronological very pleasant [TS]

  pleasant work you just get passed a note [TS]

  from our studio i did and they read I [TS]

  think he was content are you contending [TS]

  the dead George George Orwell is the [TS]

  only other creator of science fiction [TS]

  because animal farm had talking animals [TS]

  i think you can just argue the george [TS]

  orwell as the the forerunner of the [TS]

  downfall of modern cinema as a result [TS]

  because if you've seen the Garfield [TS]

  movie original responsible George Orwell [TS]

  is really the Garfield sequel a tale of [TS]

  two kitties [TS]

  what has two puns in the title which is [TS]

  just because tail is really an eye out [TS]

  to Kitty and kitties [TS]

  yeah have you seen don't go to movies [TS]

  have you seen zombieland we spoiled and [TS]

  unappreciative podcast but Sebastian [TS]

  great let's line it bill murray i'm not [TS]

  going to spoil anything but i'll say [TS]

  bill murray makes a cameo appearance and [TS]

  they at one point they asked him if he [TS]

  had any regrets in his life and he says [TS]

  no well maybe car filled that isn't in [TS]

  also it has a fantastic movie star [TS]

  Garfield ya mi or tail of two kitties [TS]

  know both both on my top ten view them [TS]

  really it's one movie and have to split [TS]

  into because i was too much seriously [TS]

  one Garfield back and go back and watch [TS]

  it and hey look [TS]

  science fiction 287 secondary watch it [TS]

  Beethoven seconds like why is the 1i [TS]

  haven't had a chance yet to read this [TS]

  this article passengers by a French [TS]

  friend who sent some article about how [TS]

  the prequel the Star Wars prequels are [TS]

  actually really really awesome treasure [TS]

  we know we are now it is now the [TS]

  incomparable podcast because because [TS]

  this hour we're gonna start throwing out [TS]

  right now it was just an idea later dude [TS]

  I haven't read this article yet but it [TS]

  apparently there's this guy who really [TS]

  earnestly argues that the prequels were [TS]

  really George Lucas's finest work and [TS]

  it's just like the the self delusion [TS]

  that must go into that is just I find [TS]

  that fascinating [TS]

  well maybe he's on a type of drug that [TS]

  we just haven't discovered you and ya [TS]

  know really like drugs we were talking [TS]

  about and mom but Stephen Fry know we [TS]

  were talking about [TS]

  well find out about look at that there's [TS]

  this there's this some old movie serial [TS]

  that we're all supposed to watch for a [TS]

  future project for the uncomfortable and [TS]

  we were talking about how how that was [TS]

  it turns out that there was a show when [TS]

  I [TS]

  kid you might have seen it these people [TS]

  are too young called cliffhangers i [TS]

  don't know if you remember that but it [TS]

  was an NBC show in the idea was it was 3 [TS]

  20 minute segments in an hour and it was [TS]

  three different stories and it was maybe [TS]

  when the show began it was like part two [TS]

  of the one store in part 4 and part 5 [TS]

  and then every episode had a cliffhanger [TS]

  and one of those is actually based on [TS]

  the short that we're supposed to watch [TS]

  and I and and i was talking I think [TS]

  maybe the damn about this and and he [TS]

  said well you know that was what George [TS]

  Lucas was getting at was that kind of [TS]

  we're joining the middle of the action [TS]

  with episode 4 [TS]

  unfortunately he then felt compelled to [TS]

  make the first three [TS]

  I mean it went from being kind of like [TS]

  an interesting artsy like you're in the [TS]

  middle but there is no beginning and no [TS]

  ending right and then into now this is [TS]

  beginning its narrow and it's not that [TS]

  good here's a secret about beginnings [TS]

  and origin stories not really that great [TS]

  the time to previous podcast yeah like [TS]

  orange in the stories were born child [TS]

  linger into my storyboarding like [TS]

  Orangina story order is right for you [TS]

  when I'm I had a bottle of orange I grew [TS]

  up with orange julius I'd love that [TS]

  yeah that's just the guy on the street [TS]

  is even able to make time you're gonna [TS]

  you're Stephen Fry is actually this is [TS]

  the podcast which mentions even fried [TS]

  the most and never really talked to [TS]

  unify apparently built the Gutenberg [TS]

  press or replica of a couple years ago [TS]

  for a TV series about you get up [TS]

  something like that like improbable fact [TS]

  about Steven Wright you try also once [TS]

  ran around the entire world is the [TS]

  strongest and the world Stephen Stephen [TS]

  you doing the good word press [TS]

  he he i watched his thing about it yeah [TS]

  you did not only do himself clean I'm [TS]

  not original you know I mean I went back [TS]

  in to know that he was johannes [TS]

  gutenberg is cable stephen Fry's hearts [TS]

  me it wasn't you know Dan Morgan has met [TS]

  Stephen Fry I am socialist him he was a [TS]

  nice fellow I guess I'm the guy who [TS]

  doesn't make it out of here alive [TS]

  pretty much so one man is very nice [TS]

  fellows very pleasant in fact actually [TS]

  one of our friends who knows him got him [TS]

  to sign a book for me too so I got a [TS]

  nice personalized book you know he he [TS]

  wrote a doctor who episode that they [TS]

  never made a lot I don't know about that [TS]

  yeah what Russell Davis asked him to do [TS]

  a doctor who episode and apparently he [TS]

  wrote the first draft [TS]

  and it was going to cost it was going to [TS]

  be for the end of the season and it was [TS]

  going to cost a fortune much like what [TS]

  happened with neil gaiman actually and [TS]

  um and so they said well we have to [TS]

  defer this next year and and the story [TS]

  is that then they went back to Stephen [TS]

  Fry and he was like you know I don't [TS]

  have time to do another run at this it's [TS]

  like I'm on the phone with him streaming [TS]

  to TV shows and traveled to Australia [TS]

  yeah I don't have time for that yeah [TS]

  well reading the russell davies book [TS]

  about about writers tail yes my desk the [TS]

  Giants it's it costs seven thousand [TS]

  dollars to send from Seattle sometimes [TS]

  how do i wait the subtitle is how to [TS]

  procrastinate while doing a [TS]

  multimillion-dollar TV show how to write [TS]

  a book about not reading the TV show [TS]

  that you're being paid to write but one [TS]

  of the things in it there's some good [TS]

  technical detail in there it's just [TS]

  interesting if you want you know we [TS]

  watched enough TV to know about how some [TS]

  of the sci-fi steps made they talked [TS]

  about effect days which I hadn't come up [TS]

  and so he'll write a script and then it [TS]

  gets red by the production team and they [TS]

  send it to their other effects house [TS]

  will be like okay well this thing you [TS]

  want this is gonna be like 783 people [TS]

  days worth of time for affects our [TS]

  budget is for like 201 days which will [TS]

  cost index hundreds of thousands of [TS]

  dollars you have to cut you know scenes [TS]

  and actions amount here like 500 days [TS]

  worth of rendering time so that's why [TS]

  sometimes doctor who you're watching it [TS]

  and they're too long it's like we must [TS]

  make it across this gap and blow up that [TS]

  ship and whatever haha where they are [TS]

  but oh well I'm not saying that's not a [TS]

  time-honored rite like I mean you know [TS]

  there's the reason that all the Star [TS]

  Trek you know TV show episodes from town [TS]

  stages and they don't look suspicious or [TS]

  like the that one piece of California [TS]

  know like what that's a scarce right [TS]

  yeah yeah which is I great the best [TS]

  proof ever of that or the best reference [TS]

  that ever in the second film Ted movie [TS]

  yes they go there although although [TS]

  actually i would argue that the the new [TS]

  star trek reboot where they where they [TS]

  went back there to make it Vulcan was a [TS]

  great reference just like it's gotten me [TS]

  in here it's a star trek it's got [TS]

  against master i wanna I've never been [TS]

  there i want to go there sometime just [TS]

  because I corn anybody that our red [TS]

  shirt or yellow final Dorne and i'll be [TS]

  visited by the ghost of the first Slayer [TS]

  because Buffy the Vampire Slayer's [TS]

  episode where she has her dream [TS]

  obviously live and see [TS]

  long as she isn't season three was [TS]

  actually watching it now we're going to [TS]

  do a buffy retrospective win with that [TS]

  night when you actually I think she's in [TS]

  three it's um yeah that's right spoiler [TS]

  spoiler alert for the show that was off [TS]

  the air in 2003 but I think that's ok [TS]

  it's my fault it's okay it's okay it is [TS]

  my favorite TV show all she was young I [TS]

  was Amish between the two so classic [TS]

  well its got a silly title for the best [TS]

  show ever but it is that it was on upn I [TS]

  mean was on me before that only the two [TS]

  bad years yeah and yeah yeah but the [TS]

  person who has not seen it is arguing [TS]

  with the two guys who came it was [TS]

  reading wikipedia first five years were [TS]

  on the WB and then removed it for the [TS]

  last two disappointing was it before or [TS]

  after show was an APM slaughter 9 p.m. [TS]

  slot that is way too [TS]

  it was wasn't it was it was a 9 p.m. [TS]

  slot for most of it or then if i make no [TS]

  always probably past my bedtime [TS]

  no it was an ATM someone because angel [TS]

  was on a toughy [TS]

  ok it was still on WB that did not let [TS]

  never ever left down now your places [TS]

  like the swerve easiest podcast ever [TS]

  issued work we'd only been drinking [TS]

  would have a much more sense [TS]

  ya know we've already men that are all I [TS]

  think something called all the oregon i [TS]

  recommend our listeners drink before I [TS]

  think you put a recipe at the outset of [TS]

  this please pour your job bro martini [TS]

  but this is the incomparable after dark [TS]

  that was not much longer now you know [TS]

  locked in a room [TS]

  Stephen Fry no longer live TV show [TS]

  called a bit of fry and laurie at the [TS]

  end of each other with your glory to [TS]

  glory he has done your house and someone [TS]

  already one of America's finest actors [TS]

  and please sing it's lovely [TS]

  anybody have been imitating trumpet very [TS]

  convincing yes and they always serve a [TS]

  drink what should we order for the drink [TS]

  as well have the hat tricks like are you [TS]

  take three pounds of dried ice shavings [TS]

  and arsenic mix them together and Shake [TS]

  and Shake swell mr. music plays and [TS]

  that's what I cannot believe that you [TS]

  brought it around to stephen fry again [TS]

  there that is my witness protection plan [TS]

  i am amazed by that know it's funny you [TS]

  mention the doctor who special effects [TS]

  and I was just watching the one of the [TS]

  just watching a commentary tracks of the [TS]

  fifth season of doctor who and there's [TS]

  actually a shot that uh it's in the the [TS]

  weeping angels episode where where [TS]

  there's [TS]

  the the charges follows the spaceship [TS]

  and the spaceship zooms off in the [TS]

  TARDIS follows it and a funny thing [TS]

  happened Steven Moffat said you know [TS]

  that wasn't in the script and the guys [TS]

  at the special effects house wanted so [TS]

  badly to have the zooming spaceship and [TS]

  the tarts doing it they just made it for [TS]

  free so so occasionally you'll pick up [TS]

  some some rendering time because the [TS]

  guys will be like no this is too cool we [TS]

  cannot do this is just to have Doctor [TS]

  Who geeks work on your show and then [TS]

  knock out all the good stuff and make [TS]

  them render the bad stuff and then to in [TS]

  order to keep themselves alive they'll [TS]

  just forcibly rendered and don't pay [TS]

  them and dont and dont thats how i [TS]

  operated and when I was independent [TS]

  films i think that's how the BBC works [TS]

  basically at this point that explains it [TS]

  alright so Stephen Fry brave new world [TS]

  Ray Bradbury I think we've had names [TS]

  bond all the glorious solaris Sean [TS]

  Connery laughlin befriended we mentioned [TS]

  that already [TS]

  I and Alan with these all in a shaker [TS]

  well mix well serve searcher serve 12 [TS]

  chilled over ice [TS]

  so the pound of lemon right and I MN [TS]

  garnish with buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

  all lemons which is what's what's your [TS]

  what's your favorite TV show of all time [TS]

  you have won a television show of all [TS]

  time could God actually okay yeah you [TS]

  got you know I would probably go with [TS]

  them actually a great show that is in [TS]

  and of itself not science fiction but [TS]

  it's sort of an homage to its paste I [TS]

  knew you were gonna say that [TS]

  sports night is a close second sports [TS]

  nice and space mountain but it's again a [TS]

  second so so we taking my top to do you [TS]

  feel this with sports and as I feel with [TS]

  Buffy that I sort of love it despite the [TS]

  fact that in at the end it was good [TS]

  because I don't honor it season of [TS]

  sports know there's only 20 to start [TS]

  season 2i thought it seemed like three [TS]

  because the second season was so bad up [TS]

  there are there are some downsides of [TS]

  the second season in terms of plot lines [TS]

  but the writing is still good though the [TS]

  rating in the characters are still like [TS]

  although I thought the second season [TS]

  really miss of sports night really [TS]

  misused the women characters and made [TS]

  them more kind of broad and chriqui and [TS]

  i would agree to a certain extent but i [TS]

  think i was so glad to have the laugh [TS]

  track on from sports night / levels also [TS]

  there are fantastic [TS]

  I mean you have william h macy nada arc [TS]

  which is he's great well you know his [TS]

  wife's on the show yeah well [TS]

  me and I'm very dynamic like they did I [TS]

  have good chemistry for America the [TS]

  dialogue sparkle so that's great but [TS]

  space space i think with again which is [TS]

  an interactive hey simon pegg Jessica [TS]

  Hynes nay Stephenson and directed by [TS]

  edgar wright and of course right and [TS]

  Pegg and Nick Frost went on to make [TS]

  shaun of the dead [TS]

  uh-huhs and the forthcoming at some [TS]

  point third part of what they call I [TS]

  believe that that grouping will be [TS]

  called the blood and ice cream trilogy [TS]

  they have said which has no particular [TS]

  you know there is no thread between them [TS]

  other than they thought wouldn't it be [TS]

  cool to make a zombie movie wouldn't be [TS]

  cool to make like a cop action movie and [TS]

  I think the third one is like a doomsday [TS]

  movie of some kind sometimes someday [TS]

  eventually led zeppelin's but space is [TS]

  based if the best part of it is if you [TS]

  manage to get four years I just had the [TS]

  the region to British dvds because i got [TS]

  i got into the show was still airing [TS]

  because i was living in the UK at the [TS]

  time my friends like you have to see [TS]

  this show and I was like alright yeah i [TS]

  mean ok so i started watching it and I [TS]

  was hooked within an episode and went [TS]

  back and got like the first season of it [TS]

  wash all of it but the the best feature [TS]

  on the dvds is they have an homage [TS]

  ometer which you turn on its a subtitle [TS]

  track that tells you what all the [TS]

  references are 20 and its fans I mean [TS]

  there's a lot i only get about half and [TS]

  that's on the region 1 DVD i believe [TS]

  that is now on they went back because [TS]

  originally was a feature on the second [TS]

  series dvds and then when they made the [TS]

  box set of the whole different way back [TS]

  and be one of the first the same things [TS]

  on shot our I'm not Sean did on Scott [TS]

  Pilgrim Edgar Wright's for third third [TS]

  third film [TS]

  yeah yes that points out all of the in [TS]

  joke references in that film as well I [TS]

  that's a good thought of my favorite TV [TS]

  series [TS]

  what's your favorite TV show we're out [TS]

  of it is going to be the happy little [TS]

  trees guy don't know the oil dating show [TS]

  only the stream that's great that would [TS]

  be awesome it's like I like the happy [TS]

  little tree i will try to pick a lightly [TS]

  oiled advanced deposit-taking I think [TS]

  you should let me hard the funky phantom [TS]

  yes [TS]

  gpo Sharkey started on wrinkles harsh [TS]

  realm the failed chris carter series [TS]

  after the xbox you don't I really liked [TS]

  her Hitchcock had a terrible file also [TS]

  good pilot was bad but no Terry O'Quinn [TS]

  is like a banana republic city area [TS]

  original reality right that's awesome i [TS]

  love that show that was that was on your [TS]

  way to make it to be swinging your ID be [TS]

  swinging oh my god sorry time between [TS]

  rockford files and smack the pony really [TS]

  i would say rockford that's what i meant [TS]

  those are married anyway I don't know [TS]

  what smack the city really jeopardy show [TS]

  incredibly funny british sketch coca [TS]

  show you have to say it like I see it [TS]

  was like a the female heir to my python [TS]

  it was extremely absurd as they were [TS]

  skits with no connecting material is [TS]

  very talented honor [TS]

  Sarah Alexander from couple oh I believe [TS]

  the islets i think is not who is this is [TS]

  Alan knows a blunt Susan Susan is that [TS]

  Sarah's and Chester exactly yes on that [TS]

  she was a featured player there are [TS]

  three main actions whose names i could [TS]

  not tell you they show up all over the [TS]

  place one was in clatter for this great [TS]

  short-run british TV series created by [TS]

  the woman behind absolutely fabulous [TS]

  jennifer saunders Jennifer Saunders who [TS]

  if you start talking to jennifer [TS]

  saunders she connects to all other [TS]

  British total including here and there [TS]

  is a all connected they all contribute [TS]

  she's like she's a lot that's my wife [TS]

  and I joke there are only 10 actors in [TS]

  the UK so when you see it may be seeing [TS]

  you okay it's like they're all in harry [TS]

  potter we're gonna ask you all the young [TS]

  that was that at one point many of these [TS]

  are the ones you go back and watch the [TS]

  episode no man young ones also favored [TS]

  you like watch the young ones you see [TS]

  all these British actors who grew up and [TS]

  do other things and they're all in there [TS]

  and cameos that I could actually spend [TS]

  an entire podcast is talking about my [TS]

  favorite TV shows including pretty sure [TS]

  to be a future show rocks rocker files [TS]

  smack the pony rock the fuck rockford [TS]

  files in my dad's favorite TV show and [TS]

  it is and we're going back and watching [TS]

  it it is a great show and they try to [TS]

  remake it and it had a pilot with Dermot [TS]

  Mulroney i think yeah and it was a total [TS]

  flop and they didn't pick it up but [TS]

  there's a rumor that they're trying to [TS]

  reread it that and and what everybody [TS]

  wants to do is cast josh holloway who [TS]

  was Sawyer on lost [TS]

  oh and you know what watching him on [TS]

  lost especially when he did his like [TS]

  Dharma Initiative jumpsuit kind of [TS]

  persona he's going to flare Jim Leffler [TS]

  yeah he is the right guy to be Jim [TS]

  Rockford he is cool and he's kind of [TS]

  laid-back and and that what you want [TS]

  that was what was great about James [TS]

  Garner's as rockford theme song to [TS]

  Rockford Files [TS]

  what's playing is it a movie was what [TS]

  plays the theme song wasn't already [TS]

  synthesized my clothes standing on your [TS]

  nose right yeah Mike post-its but the [TS]

  man who run us all of those things [TS]

  posted brothers yeah everything's yeah [TS]

  alright that's a good one of those are [TS]

  great thank you [TS]

  that's a great well done job well done [TS]

  glad you like I saved myself redeem [TS]

  myself at the end that's right we won't [TS]

  kill you now it'll just will just slowly [TS]

  suffocate the shower games tonight Red [TS]

  you have a you have a my point is they [TS]

  go back and forth between sports night [TS]

  and space to but yeah I know that's the [TS]

  fault me speaking last fortnight sports [TS]

  night I think remains my my all-time [TS]

  favorite just because [TS]

  yes the as a television show it had its [TS]

  flaws but i love the characters and the [TS]

  beautiful thing about sports night is [TS]

  there's a quote for every occasion [TS]

  writer in I mean there's not very many [TS]

  television shows that I mean who only [TS]

  run for two seasons but for by large x [TS]

  large for any situation that I've been [TS]

  in my life to date there's a sports [TS]

  night quote and it's always funny and [TS]

  you know there's the characters are just [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  I as you know i read i have two degrees [TS]

  of separation Josh Malina have been in [TS]

  the same room with him you or was it a [TS]

  set a room i'm like a stream that was [TS]

  looking to get it yet but had I would [TS]

  have you met you before i was hanging on [TS]

  i have already met Rick Moranis it's [TS]

  time to transplant but cannot ride by [TS]

  you know interesting thing i was [TS]

  actually making a list of my favorite [TS]

  television shows and television shows i [TS]

  need to watch a couple games ago yeah [TS]

  well no because I had a huge I had a [TS]

  huge Luke I keep trying a man top five [TS]

  list in my calendar whatever fine that's [TS]

  your friend of mine was asking me what [TS]

  my top five television shows were and i [TS]

  went i was like sports night spaced west [TS]

  wing and i stopped at three and aaron [TS]

  sorkin yeah well I've only a little bit [TS]

  like girls but no I mean anti Josh [TS]

  breathing heavily gunshots fired i [TS]

  realized that i had to split up into two [TS]

  categories at one point because there [TS]

  are best overall television shows and [TS]

  then there are best seasons where the [TS]

  overall series is terrible but [TS]

  specifically can make an entire list [TS]

  that's just top like top 10 [TS]

  and TV shows that were cancelled before [TS]

  Sally would not make suggestions to get [TS]

  your ID Castile say there's there's a [TS]

  great book called what happened to the [TS]

  Hall of Fame i think i'm going to [TS]

  mention this before i'm not sure why I'm [TS]

  by Bill James the man who invented for [TS]

  baseball statistical analysis ne ne ne [TS]

  is that one or it and then he did the [TS]

  historical baseball abstract and he has [TS]

  this concept of theirs theirs career [TS]

  value and peak value and it's true when [TS]

  you're judging a baseball player [TS]

  hall-of-famer are the Hall of Famer not [TS]

  that's the question is do you pick the [TS]

  overall like career that's like well [TS]

  over 20 years he was really good or do [TS]

  you say well he only played for 15 years [TS]

  and he was really kind of mediocre for [TS]

  for some of it but when he was good he [TS]

  was fantastic and it's TV shows are [TS]

  sometimes like that to wear yeah you [TS]

  know like buffy is my favorite show of [TS]

  all time but the fact is if they had [TS]

  made the last two years I'd be okay with [TS]

  my wife and we're huge fans of that 70 [TS]

  show is very very funny it was you know [TS]

  as our childhood it was great and so I [TS]

  are my childhood is right in this room [TS]

  and I campsite and I've never the oldest [TS]

  man in the room but today I the but it's [TS]

  always great show for the first few [TS]

  seasons we turn on whatever the last [TS]

  season of myself that study shows on [TS]

  when i started watching her like did [TS]

  they kill all the writers would you know [TS]

  after the actors are standing and [TS]

  they're moving like marionettes their [TS]

  accounts happens usually harder i think [TS]

  the drama's because there's the writing [TS]

  staff changes land and also just because [TS]

  Kanye's like it's hard to laughs and you [TS]

  you have a certain set of characters and [TS]

  you play out all the scenarios right and [TS]

  so it also many shows you know basically [TS]

  jumped the shark because you you get [TS]

  them into more and more far-fetched [TS]

  scenario someone more community when [TS]

  morgandy got promoted Jonathan winters [TS]

  came as they had a bad yeah there's [TS]

  always this horrific i mean there's [TS]

  always the the annoying neighbor next [TS]

  door problem which in what's funny is [TS]

  you can tell by the this there's always [TS]

  an annoying neighbor next door and some [TS]

  point but sometimes you know there's [TS]

  some shows you've watched where the [TS]

  annoying neighbor next door is on the [TS]

  first episode it's a great sign of doom [TS]

  yeah the other Bob Newhart's third [TS]

  sitcom for instance one where he's a [TS]

  cartoonist annoying neighbor i think it [TS]

  was a neighborhood the annoying [TS]

  character was in the first episode I [TS]

  don't like the last did not television [TS]

  shows where the annoying character so [TS]

  slowly gets redeemed over a series of [TS]

  episodes though in the end and then [TS]

  there's the fourth season of coupling [TS]

  with [TS]

  so should never be as a force in this [TS]

  podcast or know his identity matrix [TS]

  sequels in public anyway my smile my [TS]

  point is that is that I I really agree [TS]

  with you that you have to balance the [TS]

  list of like the ones that really when [TS]

  they hit it were at the end I don't I if [TS]

  you make one list you just have to [TS]

  figure out how to balance those things [TS]

  so for me I I've got I've got Buffy at [TS]

  Number 17 years five of which i think [TS]

  we're kind of peak value in the last two [TS]

  that musical episode was great but [TS]

  otherwise he actually not to spoil it [TS]

  for everybody but the end of the fifth [TS]

  year has a really nice endpoint that [TS]

  actually would have been a good way to [TS]

  end the show and then they went to upn [TS]

  into two more years by my number to show [TS]

  which for a long time was the number one [TS]

  shows max headroom and that's to show [TS]

  the last 12 episodes and what that's [TS]

  easier you know I'm always right because [TS]

  they burn out before they were like fire [TS]

  board when p is wonderful having a great [TS]

  year and an enema really falling apart [TS]

  here one of my favorite shows of recent [TS]

  years another great show with that is [TS]

  like half of knowledge is a show [TS]

  no not very appreciate you called the [TS]

  middleman middlemen scramble and that [TS]

  was like 10 episode yeah and it's but [TS]

  it's fantastic and it's great and it's [TS]

  this huge like sci-fi reference show [TS]

  everything in there it like every [TS]

  episode is a joke about some aspect of [TS]

  science fiction every single one and now [TS]

  Natalie Morales with right now on parks [TS]

  and recreation which is also great yes [TS]

  and she is yeah she I don't know why [TS]

  she's not in more things he is extremely [TS]

  important because she actually declared [TS]

  that on Twitter the other day and she [TS]

  wrote me back and she said thank you [TS]

  cause I was like why is Natalie Morales [TS]

  not in more stop universal her on Parks [TS]

  and Rec universal after universal actor [TS]

  responses please talk to my agent and [TS]

  all producer what she was she was on [TS]

  this huge kick for why follow her on [TS]

  twitter for a while we had we had one or [TS]

  two conversations but she was a huge [TS]

  kick to try and get on Doctor Who when [TS]

  they have yeah like and she was like [TS]

  like hammering in on twitter because she [TS]

  is a huge doctor who fan no idea she's [TS]

  she's really gonna get the guy Matt [TS]

  Besler yeah his dad Lee's he was perfect [TS]

  for that role in any place he plays [TS]

  villains a lot and and I Simon something [TS]

  working on Ellen and a write-in might [TS]

  wonder why wait [TS]

  little man no because he's the perfect [TS]

  clean-cut all-american boys out and like [TS]

  you can't have him play the bad guy that [TS]

  was a great show it was a traditional on [TS]

  the wrong network with a Tracy family [TS]

  and one of my favorite guest starring of [TS]

  that show was Kevin Sorbo always the [TS]

  oldest replaced the former middleman in [TS]

  from the sixties like the sweet like so [TS]

  it's like basically the idea of the [TS]

  power he's a guy like you know the [TS]

  middleman is the guy who liked deals [TS]

  with all the like aliens and zombies and [TS]

  werewolves and demons and all of that [TS]

  he's the one guy and so there's always [TS]

  one it's like passed down and and kevin [TS]

  sorbo plays the older middleman from the [TS]

  sixties who had been like cryogenically [TS]

  frozen so that he could come back and [TS]

  fight his own is like archenemy and of [TS]

  course he plays like he's got like the [TS]

  swinging bachelor pad and like this [TS]

  great like Blazer he's wearing and he's [TS]

  just he's great and its orbit very [TS]

  self-aware cheeseball [TS]

  okies green marbles and his care [TS]

  Andromeda was one of my favorite guilty [TS]

  pleasures growing like watching on [TS]

  saturday so gene roddenberry's Andrew [TS]

  yes I tried to want you know i watched a [TS]

  lot of the first season that was [TS]

  actually not too bad and the idea you [TS]

  know that what was interesting about [TS]

  that show I can't believe we've gotten [TS]

  to this to the point where we're talking [TS]

  about gene roddenberry's Andromeda here [TS]

  but the interesting thing about that [TS]

  show was if you view it as a coded kind [TS]

  of armed response to star trek as an [TS]

  anti star trek because the whole premise [TS]

  is basically there's a guy he's a [TS]

  starship captain he's the United [TS]

  Federation of Planets he's going around [TS]

  from planet to planet to stitch [TS]

  everything together and they're happy [TS]

  they're happy organization and then he [TS]

  gets too close to a black hole goes [TS]

  ahead and time like a thousand years and [TS]

  when he reemerges all civilizations have [TS]

  been destroyed and everybody's at war [TS]

  and he's a man out of time and all of [TS]

  the people he knew were dead but it's [TS]

  not it's worse than that the whole [TS]

  Federation has like a couple hours on a [TS]

  pen and he's too he's kinda screwed and [TS]

  because it is this great anti star trek [TS]

  and then it got really cheesy I would [TS]

  actually say I actually kind of dug his [TS]

  other the other gene roddenberry show [TS]

  after his I think posterous which is [TS]

  Earth final conflict which is kind of a [TS]

  cheesy show but if you view again with [TS]

  syndicated comic and drama but if you'd [TS]

  like the first season is it has won the [TS]

  most interesting things because they [TS]

  kind of kill off the main character then [TS]

  but it's basically it takes place in [TS]

  like modern [TS]

  day and aliens basically it showed up on [TS]

  earth and like ostensibly it's kind of [TS]

  like that with the androids no no it's [TS]

  kinda a little bit of a viene tu nerdy [TS]

  lighting in there aliens here and [TS]

  they're kind of like maintaining like oh [TS]

  we're nice and happy and here to help [TS]

  well but like they have an agenda but [TS]

  it's better than course they have a [TS]

  letter that gene roddenberry's earth [TS]

  final haha anyways other planets [TS]

  beginning of Earth I thought that was [TS]

  asked on an interesting show and had [TS]

  some interesting dynamics is any of the [TS]

  short it was short on TV series is [TS]

  confusing that with earth to the not [TS]

  earth to earth to Wow [TS]

  there we go well I can still smell it [TS]

  from here holy cow you Steven Spielberg [TS]

  ok so we're working fern is Right cast [TS]

  will never be over [TS]

  what will be but will use up all our [TS]

  topics forever 21 [TS]

  well yes well it's live with the oxygen [TS]

  with this is you know you know in the [TS]

  future there will be a pill that is [TS]

  constant in concert your entire meal an [TS]

  entire stake will appear in this tiny [TS]

  people [TS]

  well that's this podcast if they [TS]

  concentrated it's like a month's worth [TS]

  of podcast jam together into one [TS]

  inedible pill i have my one by one dies [TS]

  of your head [TS]

  this is why we can't have more than two [TS]

  members of the incomparable in the same [TS]

  room with each others butts back at any [TS]

  one time experiential is what being in a [TS]

  room with us is like on a regular basis [TS]

  for the report yet they would pick 12 [TS]

  hours they will feature Scott making all [TS]

  these sitting in the corner just going [TS]

  to hate you [TS]

  how come how come our level of using a [TS]

  collection of 53 killed our readers [TS]

  completely occupied students build you [TS]

  mentioned earth to Steven Spielberg is [TS]

  like the guy who can't make a good TV [TS]

  show isn't he yeah he keep comes in he [TS]

  brings his money and he doesnt sit well [TS]

  yes I put his name on all remember see [TS]

  there's real work presents taken dear [TS]

  yeah that's that was like the 12-hour [TS]

  sci-fi miniseries wearing nothing [TS]

  happens [TS]

  although that's my favorite part of it [TS]

  was air right before Christmas and you [TS]

  could very easily read the name of the [TS]

  show and and miss read it is that Steven [TS]

  Spielberg's presence were taken 10 [TS]

  Hanukkah for you sir [TS]

  no no present for you to be here he's [TS]

  got a show coming out [TS]

  well it's a turnover we should have too [TS]

  much turnover which is getting ugly [TS]

  treatment on fox which is there showing [TS]

  that it's a musical their privacy yes [TS]

  you are dinosaur alternative do I would [TS]

  watch that and you know [TS]

  dying or a cop Rock i maintain was well [TS]

  ahead of its time it's it's yes but [TS]

  thank you you get points for every only [TS]

  I was awarding points to win [TS]

  Bob Terranova to tote Terranova is is a [TS]

  premiering in May and they're not [TS]

  showing any more episodes until the fall [TS]

  but it is this like you just love that [TS]

  that's always a sign of good right like [TS]

  it works out because nobody will believe [TS]

  that's the thing is it worked for the [TS]

  way they did the first episode it became [TS]

  a phenomenon people like we're really [TS]

  stoked and so when it came back [TS]

  everybody already wanted to see it and [TS]

  it works so they're going to try it [TS]

  again it's like the you're right you'd [TS]

  think they were kind of burning it off [TS]

  but but they actually want to build a [TS]

  buzz around it so i hope the pilots good [TS]

  at the dinosaur is gonna be created for [TS]

  the air [TS]

  I think I mean my favorite story about [TS]

  that ever it remains David Lindelof of [TS]

  lost somebody asked him what it does it [TS]

  freak you out with my number three show [TS]

  i think that does it freak you out that [TS]

  people are this was before lost had [TS]

  started to air like it he was sort of [TS]

  you know airing in the in this in the [TS]

  fall and someone asked him does it freak [TS]

  you out there are already petitions to [TS]

  save your shirt for air and he said you [TS]

  know I'd like to flip that on its head [TS]

  like they should have petitions to kill [TS]

  off shows that have been around too long [TS]

  life if they did this is actual I don't [TS]

  think I'm forbade him cool but he says [TS]

  he said if there are a petition to kill [TS]

  seventh heaven i would sign back i know [TS]

  it's just funny that he gets this has [TS]

  this kind of cloud and yet the show's [TS]

  this shows that he has made have all [TS]

  been like high-profile hot big budget [TS]

  and I mean when you're Steven Spielberg [TS]

  you put your name on a lot of things and [TS]

  a lot of breakfast cereal well right rat [TS]

  poison was really strapped poison [TS]

  crunchy Lord's greatest threat was no [TS]

  there was a really called young sherlock [TS]

  holmes yes and many famous for its size [TS]

  likely yes first always personally [TS]

  reanimates is that the guy comes out the [TS]

  stained glass and oh yeah in fact my [TS]

  that movie trailer that crap out of [TS]

  music and my little house mates thesis [TS]

  advisor was the guy who is responsible [TS]

  for do you know people i do everything I [TS]

  do I'm two degrees away from everyone in [TS]

  this room degrees accomplishment but i [TS]

  don't know you but I know people who [TS]

  know you thats that's terrifying steam [TS]

  for everyone else to Steve [TS]

  fri is a lovely lovely felt like to [TS]

  dedicate this podcast to the memory of i [TS]

  would like to know I never drips with [TS]

  you I'd like to you know I like and [TS]

  respect Stephen Fry enough that I hope [TS]

  he never listens this next song that is [TS]

  so anybody have occasional world where [TS]

  one man that covers the subject of a [TS]

  whenever podcast that seems like two out [TS]

  but is only one time dilation and will [TS]

  affect your claim to write you letters [TS]

  friends i write this is gonna be a dial [TS]

  tone a spoiler warning [TS]

  ok that's all that's it nothing but a [TS]

  dial tone in a spoiler horny be it [TS]

  spoiler warnings on the way down [TS]

  well dear listener you've squandered [TS]

  another perfectly good our listeners [TS]

  dear lord dear dear listener i like that [TS]

  it implies that there's only one [TS]

  yes dear are so listener as we know from [TS]

  Scotland nobody not even his wife listen [TS]

  to this podcast now well good looking my [TS]

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  so dear listeners hot plural all both of [TS]

  you count yourself lucky you weren't [TS]

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  this wall yes a dead fly flies didn't [TS]

  even make it out this is what it's like [TS]

  when you get us all together boy was [TS]

  this a good idea until next time for Dan [TS]

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