The Incomparable

17: We`re Going to Need Some More Christmas Movies, I Guess

 

  the following podcast is about a movie [TS]

  that's rated R as a result it does [TS]

  include some salty language if your ears [TS]

  are sensitive or if the ears of those [TS]

  around your sensitive please use caution [TS]

  while listening to this episode [TS]

  incomparable podcast number 74 December [TS]

  from the penthouse high atop to tell me [TS]

  power [TS]

  it's the uncomfortable podcast i am your [TS]

  host Jason snow we are joined today by [TS]

  Steve let's hello Steve [TS]

  hellooo and Dan Morgan I like to think [TS]

  of myself as the the john mcclain to [TS]

  your Hans Gruber if you are huh [TS]

  oh do you now and then who steve is he [TS]

  like samuel l jackson from die hard with [TS]

  a vengeance [TS]

  I a magical veljohnson and don't forget [TS]

  it all right he's yeah and playing [TS]

  playing the part of Argyll trapped in [TS]

  the basement inmate parking garage is [TS]

  greg Moss who says he'll join us but is [TS]

  out buying a Christmas tree now just [TS]

  something appropriate [TS]

  that's right there's a there's a [TS]

  Christmas tree and diehard so the topic [TS]

  today if you haven't guessed already is [TS]

  the classic heartwarming holiday film [TS]

  diehard from 1988 starring bruce willis [TS]

  znowu you maybe you may be saying how in [TS]

  the world is diehard up a christmas [TS]

  movie and in fact I was taken aback on [TS]

  Twitter the other week when Dan more'n [TS]

  declared boldly that die hard is the [TS]

  greatest christmas movie of all time [TS]

  dan explain yourself oh well i mean [TS]

  first of all I mean obviously since [TS]

  diehard takes place at Christmas that's [TS]

  what gives it it's Christmas flavor but [TS]

  it's not just like a a backdrop like oh [TS]

  yeah Christmas sort of part of it i mean [TS]

  Christmas plays a pretty a pretty [TS]

  crucial role in this entire plot not [TS]

  only from the premise but also you know [TS]

  the the very resolution in fact the [TS]

  climax of the whole film is due to to [TS]

  wrapping materials so you know i think i [TS]

  think it is intrinsically a Christmas [TS]

  movie and some people make my point to [TS]

  you know tape it might add [TS]

  yes it is some wonderful Christmas only [TS]

  wrapping materials known as take ya to [TS]

  help is available at the time I believe [TS]

  it is christmas themed tape it does say [TS]

  Christmas greetings or something on it [TS]

  is every kindness [TS]

  I'm just saying but you know nonetheless [TS]

  yeah but you don't have to like wrapping [TS]

  tape sit [TS]

  around come on come on ok so so let's [TS]

  start this from the beginning John [TS]

  McClane New York cop he's a cop on the [TS]

  edge and he's flying he's flying in to [TS]

  LAX with his with his gun on his person [TS]

  in order to see his estranged wife who [TS]

  is now going by her maiden name and [TS]

  range due to his own failings and [TS]

  rightly rise key right that that she got [TS]

  this great job offer and he was [TS]

  unsupportive and and so and so she took [TS]

  the job and brought the kids and came to [TS]

  LA and he would stay back in New York [TS]

  what I think is interesting is that [TS]

  Holly his wife played by bonnie bedelia [TS]

  is a little surprised to see him which I [TS]

  never read quite understood how she was [TS]

  surprised to see him and yet apparently [TS]

  mr. Takagi her boss had sent a limousine [TS]

  to pick up his his VP's estranged [TS]

  husband location is covered [TS]

  yes she knows he's coming but like she [TS]

  doesn't expect him to come to the party [TS]

  the party I think takagi basically [TS]

  interception like hearing he's going to [TS]

  be in town [TS]

  it's like oh I'll send a limo bring him [TS]

  to the party but it is true that mr. [TS]

  Hogg is sort of like mr. kind of [TS]

  romantic setup guy where he's like oh [TS]

  I'll said I'll send a limousine you see [TS]

  where that gets I mean I really I'll [TS]

  about you know through about the first [TS]

  15 minutes [TS]

  this could be a romantic comedy right [TS]

  you know there's there's sort of a pivot [TS]

  point there at one point [TS]

  well there-there is the then there's the [TS]

  scene where we see Alan Rickman as hot [TS]

  grouper and then it's not a it's what i [TS]

  mean i want to point out that that I [TS]

  think one of the things that makes that [TS]

  hard such a great movie and this is just [TS]

  you know an overall thing is that it has [TS]

  got a super-tight script like it's one [TS]

  of those scripts that sort of perfectly [TS]

  follows that whole pattern of like he be [TS]

  here when you're your beats come like [TS]

  because really like 15-minute mark rolls [TS]

  around and that's the first time you see [TS]

  you like mud the truck that like all the [TS]

  villains are coming in like driving down [TS]

  the street and everything in it is like [TS]

  really paste and really [TS]

  you know really tight there's a there's [TS]

  an economy all the stuff that you need [TS]

  to know that it's like set up in the [TS]

  first 15 minutes [TS]

  things are alluded to ahead of time like [TS]

  there's there's an economy in the script [TS]

  of everything that you need to know is [TS]

  mentioned at some point and so there's [TS]

  not a lot of like that came out of left [TS]

  field or more stuff like that there [TS]

  there's a lot of a lot of setup for it [TS]

  and it's really well done that this [TS]

  there's not a lot of extraneous material [TS]

  like that whole long speech i just gave [TS]

  which was full of extraneous material [TS]

  and yes it's a it's not a short film for [TS]

  all of that but it feels like it goes by [TS]

  darn fast [TS]

  oh yeah don't worry about two hours and [TS]

  fifteen or something yeah it's about two [TS]

  and a quarter i was watching it with my [TS]

  I actually convince my parents to watch [TS]

  it the other night which is kind of [TS]

  interesting sort of coup but I you know [TS]

  we we want about an hour of it while my [TS]

  mother was decorating the Christmas tree [TS]

  and then after dinner we're going back [TS]

  to call how much is left like like half [TS]

  an hour 45 minutes like actually like an [TS]

  hour and a quarter left like really like [TS]

  what we only just got to like this point [TS]

  but one of the things that I find funny [TS]

  about this movie is that there are these [TS]

  strange characters that are our have a [TS]

  small part to play and uh i think in a [TS]

  lot of modern movies especially action [TS]

  movies first off you would see the [TS]

  villain even earlier but you would also [TS]

  not have these characters that kind of [TS]

  pop in and then pop away again and I'm [TS]

  thinking particularly about there's Al [TS]

  the the sergeant who doesn't even show [TS]

  up for like when a live man it's an hour [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah he only has the one seen [TS]

  with bruce willis the rest of it he's [TS]

  you know in the parking lot with the FBI [TS]

  guys and and the with the applicative [TS]

  eighties dickhead actors yes deputy [TS]

  police chief 20 Robinson that's Tracy [TS]

  and the incomparable william atherton [TS]

  who is well tastic I was gonna say the [TS]

  yes the incomparable william anthony [TS]

  joins us now for about ready yet so we [TS]

  imagine he's another one of these [TS]

  characters that sort of like doesn't [TS]

  show up for a long time William Atherton [TS]

  ok let's let's let's stop for a second [TS]

  way masterton this man is like the home [TS]

  run hitter [TS]

  of-of jerk villain figures in eighties [TS]

  movies and this is like his I guess this [TS]

  is sort of a capper because previously [TS]

  he appeared in ghostbusters as as Walter [TS]

  Peck the EPA man [TS]

  yes it's true this man has no dick and [TS]

  and my personal favorite and also one of [TS]

  my personal favorite films of all time [TS]

  real genius where he brought his Jerry [TS]

  Hathaway the science professor who gets [TS]

  his students to develop death race for [TS]

  the government while he's hosting a [TS]

  public TV show it in in which by [TS]

  contrast he could actually hammer a [TS]

  6-inch spike through a board with his [TS]

  dick [TS]

  yes that's very dresser him that's yeah [TS]

  so your hammer later and in this he's [TS]

  the vein TV reporter and he reprises his [TS]

  role i guess in die hard to but boy I [TS]

  that guy I really i mean what i want a [TS]

  fantastic actor doing a I just a series [TS]

  of horrible horrible characters so well [TS]

  on me and you match that in with with [TS]

  Paul Gleason who plays 20 Robinson who [TS]

  also is the principal in the breakfast [TS]

  club Bible you mess with the bull you [TS]

  get the horns up I mean what a great [TS]

  combo right there and I guess characters [TS]

  you know who I don't think interact at [TS]

  all in die hard but like they're kind of [TS]

  like a one-two punch it doesn't get [TS]

  better than that it reminds me of my [TS]

  dream of the of a sitcom involving [TS]

  Norman fell and vic tayback is [TS]

  mismatched roommates i'm sure it doesn't [TS]

  get better than that [TS]

  yeah we also the FBI man now agent [TS]

  Johnson and special agent John Doe relay [TS]

  no relation to Johnson's sure I mean [TS]

  they're really don't like what great [TS]

  characters though because you know of [TS]

  course they show up very late in the [TS]

  film and they have kind of a you know [TS]

  climactic it's sort of about the reward [TS]

  is for their exit but they had which is [TS]

  the best line in the entire film to my [TS]

  mind [TS]

  well I guess we're gonna need some more [TS]

  FBI guys for right right because they [TS]

  decide to take a ride on the helicopter [TS]

  which is like Vietnam basic [TS]

  I was in one of our high school we we [TS]

  may we may end up just quoting dialogue [TS]

  from this movie that would be extremely [TS]

  well written though I mean like that for [TS]

  its kind of the seminal like you know [TS]

  action movie right i mean well certainly [TS]

  write a it is the model because they [TS]

  were how many movies that were diehard I [TS]

  on a bus and die hard work but I was [TS]

  trying to think [TS]

  earlier today what really came before [TS]

  that was similar to die hard I mean was [TS]

  it really a turning point for action to [TS]

  end things like like that the Poseidon [TS]

  Adventure in my sure you have weirdo [TS]

  films with huge set pieces and the [TS]

  showers and never know [TS]

  kind of yeah but you also be action [TS]

  movies like Rambo or or predator or you [TS]

  know things like that were you know [TS]

  action movies but but Dinah and you can [TS]

  point to cop movies like like bullet or [TS]

  dirty harry you know for a certain type [TS]

  of it but this isn't really act like a [TS]

  cop movie right like he's not doing [TS]

  anything a cop would do he's just the [TS]

  wrong guy in the wrong place right and [TS]

  he's very much in every man whereas you [TS]

  know you look at something like Rambo [TS]

  it's this this guy who can take out [TS]

  entire villages with his flight [TS]

  I mean that whole point where he's like [TS]

  you know I love you know the first time [TS]

  I remember seeing this and i love the [TS]

  whole thing with you where you get a [TS]

  certain way into the film and then [TS]

  really realize the he's been running [TS]

  around with no shoes for the last hour [TS]

  and then of course the scene where they [TS]

  shoot the broken glass out to try and [TS]

  prevent him from sure you know the gloss [TS]

  run across Jesus I'm stuff that it's [TS]

  more so speaking of bad German that's [TS]

  the other thing that this movie has in [TS]

  common with raiders of the lost ark in [TS]

  addition to the bed German is why i was [TS]

  watching it I i realized that Bruce [TS]

  Willis it in this movie does a lot of [TS]

  the same things that that Harrison Ford [TS]

  doesn't raise the lost art these are [TS]

  heroes who were kind of reluctant and [TS]

  get their butts kicked and are in pain [TS]

  it and are not having a good time [TS]

  they're vulnerable absolutely not [TS]

  they're not Superman at all know that's [TS]

  one of the great things about is the [TS]

  John McClane is out of sorts and even [TS]

  though he does these kind of super [TS]

  heroic things and he's smart [TS]

  you know he also does some things where [TS]

  he almost dies and in hindsight he [TS]

  realizes were bad ideas but love that [TS]

  scene where he talks to himself like the [TS]

  big my favorite team meeting you [TS]

  what when he's on the roof and he ties [TS]

  the fire hose around himself and he's [TS]

  like started talking to fuck you doin [TS]

  John you know [TS]

  yeah and there's the scene where he's [TS]

  down in the in the the dance of course [TS]

  because there are always fence [TS]

  this must be this must be the seminal [TS]

  event movie at least write the ground [TS]

  through those got events there's [TS]

  somebody and action this one time harden [TS]

  a building [TS]

  yeah it is it is well I laughed when I [TS]

  saw the credits roll and I saw that I [TS]

  think beyond dubont is the [TS]

  cinematographer on this movie director [TS]

  of photography who went on to two rappy [TS]

  grade which is a die-hard on a bus [TS]

  more or less right pretty much yeah [TS]

  with fewer events yes yes but more [TS]

  windows and although he doesn't make [TS]

  quite a bit of use of the floor panels [TS]

  in that film so I think floor panels [TS]

  with the new vents right whatever speed [TS]

  came out that's a that's a that's good [TS]

  knowledge there I'll one of the UM so [TS]

  that so there's the holiday party that's [TS]

  happening very eighties one of the [TS]

  things i noticed watching it again last [TS]

  week is that it's very eighties in its [TS]

  attitude toward a sort of the American [TS]

  attitude toward the world in the [TS]

  eighties which was that everything was [TS]

  going to be about the Germans and the [TS]

  Japanese and so in this in a future [TS]

  belongs to the Germans the Japanese so [TS]

  in this movie we have the giant Japanese [TS]

  firm run by the guy from Japan even [TS]

  though he went to Harvard and [TS]

  yadda-yadda we get the whole back story [TS]

  before he gets killed and the Germans [TS]

  are the robbers and they're the bad guys [TS]

  but it's this I was sitting there [TS]

  thinking well yeah in 1988 we thought [TS]

  that was what the 21st century was going [TS]

  to be it so we're very forward thinking [TS]

  it's gonna all be about the Germans and [TS]

  the Japanese which didn't happen you [TS]

  know so it's very eighties they got that [TS]

  they got the Christmas party going on [TS]

  but it doesn't get much more eighties [TS]

  than the Japanese guys saying we got you [TS]

  with tape decks haha [TS]

  another great line it will be a day very [TS]

  soon when no one knows what the hell [TS]

  that means some nice Alice another [TS]

  character who is interesting and he he's [TS]

  got a lot of a lot of cocaine going on [TS]

  so that's the eighties right there are [TS]

  so I is speaking of speaking to the [TS]

  takagi those interesting point in terms [TS]

  of history of the flipside of a lot of [TS]

  the other characters and that we get a [TS]

  whole lot of [TS]

  like about him up front right yeah and [TS]

  he gets shot like half an hour into the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah he's the janet leigh of the film [TS]

  it's more that's what you took on he's [TS]

  going to be important [TS]

  no not so much yeah he's the guy that we [TS]

  were supposed to be leave all he can't [TS]

  get shot because he's got this much you [TS]

  know he's got all this backstory right [TS]

  well he exists you just email us how [TS]

  ruthless like horses right but um so one [TS]

  of the things that surprised me about [TS]

  this when you watch it back knowing [TS]

  what's going to happen you can sort of [TS]

  see how they're setting this up but I i [TS]

  think one of the things that I always [TS]

  thought was clever about die hard was [TS]

  the fact that you are set up to believe [TS]

  that the bad guys are terrorists [TS]

  alright who want to do you know do [TS]

  create a terrorist incident and that's [TS]

  what they're all about their radical [TS]

  left wing terrorist group and I and in [TS]

  fact they end up doing that with the [TS]

  cops and using that to their advantage [TS]

  but you discover that they're just [TS]

  leaves and icing over that very early [TS]

  yeah I was a project to realize that way [TS]

  back to in that like we the audience [TS]

  find that out a lot earlier than I [TS]

  remembered [TS]

  it'sit's pretty upfront in the movie I [TS]

  mean like that obviously the rest of the [TS]

  characters are sort of kept in the dark [TS]

  and are figuring it out but we as the [TS]

  audience already in on that fairly early [TS]

  on in the movie but there's a really [TS]

  nice moment where where where there's [TS]

  that realization of you know you guys [TS]

  are just you know criminals they're just [TS]

  thieves you're not you know stand for [TS]

  anything but they still made exceptional [TS]

  thief [TS]

  yeah I but it it also provides great [TS]

  moments 44 Rickman to really I i love [TS]

  the scene where he's demanding the [TS]

  release of all the political prisoners [TS]

  and he's just starts naming these guys [TS]

  because is my friends in the Asian dawn [TS]

  and lieutenants and rotation along with [TS]

  agent i read about them in time magazine [TS]

  like that-that great i must only 60 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  there's lots of those kind of a joke [TS]

  obviously [TS]

  Hans grouper who I almost called John [TS]

  group of there by the way [TS]

  Hans Gruber is is very savvy about about [TS]

  American culture as he as he steals the [TS]

  bearer bonds from the vault that is [TS]

  being protected by eight seals seven of [TS]

  which are apparently operated by a max [TS]

  headroom computer [TS]

  I was the eighties everybody had an [TS]

  accent which can do forward with some [TS]

  variety of large industrial drill [TS]

  yes yes I mckenna and and digits [TS]

  although again in that you've got the [TS]

  very clever build-up where there's that [TS]

  last one and he keeps saying you know [TS]

  the last 1i can't do anything about the [TS]

  last one it it you know while they tell [TS]

  you very early on like the power it has [TS]

  to be the cut power has to be cutting it [TS]

  can't be done locally [TS]

  yeah like that setup in the first like [TS]

  like five minutes at the bad guys appear [TS]

  and then you spend all that time being [TS]

  told no no that's the hard one that's a [TS]

  hard 1i want to go after what a miracle [TS]

  i give you the f.b.i no stop [TS]

  Hans grouper is a is a smart guy and I [TS]

  guess that's the point of the movie is [TS]

  he would have gotten away with it if it [TS]

  weren't for you meddling John McClane [TS]

  although his plans really start going [TS]

  awry extremely early in the film and [TS]

  just get just gets worse and worse as it [TS]

  goes along and yet what's interesting is [TS]

  that his plan continues to unfold in [TS]

  almost exactly the way he had hoped it [TS]

  would I I do notice that they seem and [TS]

  watching it again that they seem a lot [TS]

  less concerned about the fact that many [TS]

  of their compatriots in this mission are [TS]

  dead as it goes along like that you know [TS]

  really in the end the four core guys are [TS]

  like yeah you know other than one who [TS]

  loses his brother right everybody else [TS]

  is like yeah Carl is very upset about [TS]

  other guys are dead back and yet more [TS]

  than a film car almost blows the whole [TS]

  thing by cutting through the pipes with [TS]

  his chainsaw what the other guys still [TS]

  working on the phone lines [TS]

  yeah that's he never made really that [TS]

  much sense to me you know why he wants [TS]

  to move it along [TS]

  so he's just gonna cut it and make the [TS]

  other guy work more work faster [TS]

  yeah it's a sibling rivalry yeah that's [TS]

  what it ok so where there's a lot of [TS]

  depth here that I don't think we've [TS]

  explored so so so argyle what's the deal [TS]

  with what's the deal with argyle well [TS]

  emmanuel lewis was looking for a roll-on [TS]

  god no no it's not Emanuel Lewis out [TS]

  well now you're gonna tell me the other [TS]

  guys and Steve Urkel backer that that [TS]

  know that circle [TS]

  yeah yeah LOL Reginald veljohnson was [TS]

  the tip-off yeah exactly [TS]

  arca I mean he's sort of their for comic [TS]

  relief right by Yogi and a lot of he'll [TS]

  spend a lot of the movie not doing [TS]

  much no he's down there talking to his [TS]

  girlfriend and whining about her hair [TS]

  drinking out of the borrower could live [TS]

  bear what role the bear play I mean come [TS]

  on [TS]

  stuffed bear in the back of a limo the [TS]

  guy who plays the barest great it's a [TS]

  great pair now I'm trying to remember if [TS]

  there's if the bear makes an appearance [TS]

  in the final scene when they get into [TS]

  the limo instead of an ambulance for [TS]

  some reason and drive off [TS]

  there's all everything if you had the [TS]

  choice a rex limo to like how far I mean [TS]

  it becomes manageable for the little [TS]

  crap it's a little moisture in the front [TS]

  but come on [TS]

  yes true he piles into the van he drives [TS]

  through the gate which for some reason [TS]

  it stopped him previously when he was [TS]

  when he realized the terrorists had [TS]

  taken over the building was your body [TS]

  for writing the limo them that was [TS]

  wrapped right so i'm not sure that you [TS]

  questioning our girls judgment [TS]

  no I'm not argyle is e is infallible [TS]

  yeah I mean yes to invoke it just like [TS]

  the poke [TS]

  that's right maybe just juiced up [TS]

  because he took out the the other do the [TS]

  Urkel yeah child star on child star [TS]

  violence is really ugly do i gotta say [TS]

  so [TS]

  al Powell are Reginald veljohnson right [TS]

  as are acting unbelievably incidentally [TS]

  all but he's great he's wonderful [TS]

  I wouldn't have it any other way but his [TS]

  line readings are so over-the-top and [TS]

  and he's like the most he's the typical [TS]

  cop right he's the fat don't shot a kid [TS]

  buying Cobb that but that man surprised [TS]

  that he didn't shoot a kid on like the [TS]

  day before the kid was going to retire [TS]

  so they can teach you almost anything at [TS]

  the academy but they can't teach you how [TS]

  to move on [TS]

  whatever it is live with a mistake live [TS]

  with a mistake [TS]

  that's right right we meet him at the at [TS]

  the convenience store buying junk food [TS]

  right but immediately even though he is [TS]

  the typical cop right like that's kind [TS]

  of diffused by the fact that you know it [TS]

  brings all the stuff in you that the guy [TS]

  behind the counter looking at him like [TS]

  about you guys just a donuts for my wife [TS]

  she's pregnant [TS]

  uh-huh whatever like you know that it [TS]

  kind of acknowledges ok we're kind of [TS]

  being seen [TS]

  typical but you know this guy is it [TS]

  really stereotypical accept Tia's he [TS]

  kinda he's competent right he's [TS]

  competent compared to everybody else at [TS]

  the parking lot [TS]

  well everybody else is ridiculously in [TS]

  kept the car get the car wasn't in the [TS]

  car [TS]

  my favorite thing is that the the SWAT [TS]

  team is totally incompetent right [TS]

  there's a scene where they walk through [TS]

  like like rose bushes already have roots [TS]

  out not really [TS]

  this is the worst SWAT team ever write [TS]

  like they do not come off well at all [TS]

  I mean you know and that's one of those [TS]

  elements that you sort of makes this all [TS]

  its it's very you know i'm not sure i [TS]

  would give enough credit to say it's [TS]

  very satirical and in its outlook of [TS]

  like the police but it's certainly in [TS]

  complementary oh I would I would I i [TS]

  think actually one of the things that [TS]

  surprises me and watching this movie now [TS]

  is just how much of it is a satire [TS]

  because it's not just the cops right if [TS]

  there's this whole media satire where we [TS]

  keep coming back over at the station [TS]

  I mean it's at least fifty percent a [TS]

  comedy movie i'm even the actually sleep [TS]

  with liners that little Scott this [TS]

  because he was he was the comedian at [TS]

  the time right here is exact he was [TS]

  moonlighting yeah right i mean vision [TS]

  this is the movie that made him an [TS]

  action star previous to that he was not [TS]

  really bankable as a as any sort of [TS]

  action star it's the movie that gave him [TS]

  a career beyond what he was destined for [TS]

  at that point which was maybe I don't [TS]

  know another year and a half of romantic [TS]

  comedies before he got to ball to make [TS]

  that work [TS]

  right right so i really hope he says [TS]

  joel silver a real nice Christmas card [TS]

  every every year you get the fruit [TS]

  basket Hanukkah card or whatever the UH [TS]

  so that the TV news what is fascinating [TS]

  because they've got this really broad [TS]

  I'll silky sweet [TS]

  yeah well thats oh so the first off late [TS]

  stockholm said yes right right so they [TS]

  call it to Helsinki syndrome which is [TS]

  weird and then we'll says I think [TS]

  they're making fun of the expert there [TS]

  before they get to making sure that the [TS]

  new I know if they're that or they're [TS]

  just trying to like maybe we shouldn't [TS]

  talk about Stockholm Syndrome it's very [TS]

  weird right right it's been it's [TS]

  confusing and and but the the anchorman [TS]

  is an idiot and and then there's William [TS]

  Atherton who seems smarter but he's a [TS]

  jerk and he's of course because its way [TS]

  pathogen and he's feuding with the with [TS]

  the anchorman for some reason and [TS]

  Shanghai is a camera crew and they have [TS]

  been severely reacts hell of a lot worse [TS]

  to eat it Harvey than any man really [TS]

  should I end of all my conversations [TS]

  with that [TS]

  greg kosc joins us argyle has returned [TS]

  from the parking garage [TS]

  welcome to the plot eval thank you [TS]

  it's some of the movies tend to blur [TS]

  together a bit my head they're being you [TS]

  know model except the last one which [TS]

  although not it's not as terrible movie [TS]

  as I thought it would be is by far the [TS]

  worst of the poor you really think so [TS]

  you really take that the die-hard live [TS]

  free or die hard is worse than die hard [TS]

  with a vengeance [TS]

  oh yeah yeah yeah totally i read a [TS]

  review i was reading a post on this the [TS]

  other day and I you know I can't [TS]

  remember most of what happened in live [TS]

  free or die hard and like it's you did [TS]

  their computers and computer hackers I [TS]

  mean at least at least die hard with a [TS]

  vengeance head tamil Jackson jeremy [TS]

  irons you know it had running around New [TS]

  York you know with those heard of [TS]

  puzzles and stuff like that [TS]

  it also had you know the bank heist had [TS]

  some really good lines but what's really [TS]

  a pity they chose to kill off Alan [TS]

  Rickman up with old spoiling the end of [TS]

  diehard while my god be with you [TS]

  they never show his body that he also [TS]

  fingerling every great villain like [TS]

  every great villain he dies by following [TS]

  from something really tall right-hander [TS]

  really would want him to live that would [TS]

  ruin the movie you know you could've [TS]

  thought he died and then have him [TS]

  reappear know that's what Karl's yeah [TS]

  actually I was going to say that one of [TS]

  the most ridiculous thing in this movie [TS]

  for me is the fact that they killed Carl [TS]

  and he just randomly comes back to life [TS]

  so that they could kill him again [TS]

  I didn't actually I've never thought [TS]

  about how ridiculous that was until this [TS]

  time because my parents watching it sort [TS]

  of rolled their eyes at this like really [TS]

  I'm like I remembered that he came back [TS]

  but I I always sort of forgot when he [TS]

  came back how badly [TS]

  mclean had beat the crap out of him [TS]

  right he like he raps a chain around his [TS]

  neck and threw husband gets the wall [TS]

  could that the when he did he did less [TS]

  than he said he would he told me he was [TS]

  gonna fucking kill him fucking click him [TS]

  and rocky fuckin eat him [TS]

  the only thing he said he wouldn't do is [TS]

  fucking shit amount and fucking clear [TS]

  his stink molecules with some fucking [TS]

  late air freshener they missed a product [TS]

  placement [TS]

  I always thought it would be good if at [TS]

  the end you know that whole triumphant [TS]

  scene where Carl appears and then and [TS]

  then al you know gets his mojo back in [TS]

  and takes him out [TS]

  you know I having cleared his finally [TS]

  cleared his mistake of shooting the kid [TS]

  if it turned out that car was [TS]

  brandishing a toy gun let me let me let [TS]

  me postulate not again this is going to [TS]

  hold Mommy's you can see this whole [TS]

  movie as though Carl is the [TS]

  protectiveness whole I just blow your [TS]

  mind [TS]

  I'm not seeing that Dan know his brother [TS]

  gets killed man it's about vengeance he [TS]

  wants blood it's die hard with a [TS]

  vengeance [TS]

  yeah that's the third is his brother [TS]

  gets killed two bag three [TS]

  that's not possible because there's [TS]

  whole generations of terrorists that are [TS]

  going to come after john mccain there's [TS]

  anything good about Carl it's that he [TS]

  was played by the delightful Alexander [TS]

  good enough apparently wasn't good [TS]

  enough to go on to anything else was a [TS]

  dancer [TS]

  yeah that was his gig yeah a very [TS]

  well-known very good one too [TS]

  yes i did he did not get to showcase [TS]

  that at all really [TS]

  we get some nice my kicks in at the end [TS]

  in his fight with the with John yeah I [TS]

  guess I i don't--hey he's one of those [TS]

  immortal action movie villains to you [TS]

  know I guess you gotta have that [TS]

  well you got that you have a rainy guy [TS]

  and then you got the brawny i right [TS]

  like the henchmen yeah then but then [TS]

  you've got a half-dozen sort of [TS]

  completely convertible Eurotrash [TS]

  villains who are there are some of your [TS]

  on some of them are Italian some of the [TS]

  German you really have every Eurotrash [TS]

  archetype going on there [TS]

  get your big bulky german guys you're [TS]

  sort of Russian he dude so so here's a [TS]

  scene that I i really appreciated that I [TS]

  am in watching it again was there's the [TS]

  scene where the guy skills the candy [TS]

  what what yeah the Syrian guys gonna [TS]

  steal the candy but likely he gets he [TS]

  gets the kitty for the little shop in [TS]

  the in the in the lobby of the plaza and [TS]

  then runs back to his post and that is [TS]

  killed but he dies he's driving i'm [TS]

  showing sonu get and a big race every [TS]

  bar yeah that is strange that wasn't [TS]

  what I was thinking [TS]

  dan but that I hit didn't hijack a very [TS]

  strange scene [TS]

  no we're uh we're alan rickman does [TS]

  American accent and and throws himself [TS]

  upon the mercy of John McClane as [TS]

  somebody who's escaped from the bill [TS]

  clay yeah that that's uh that's a great [TS]

  scene and i like that scene because [TS]

  they're not only do we have a what's a [TS]

  really smart plot twist which is a you [TS]

  know showing that hunts Gruber is it's a [TS]

  very smart guy and he's figured out a [TS]

  way to to to get one over on John [TS]

  McClane but that you also see you know [TS]

  well this is McLain gonna figure this [TS]

  out which he does when does he [TS]

  and then there's the interplay when [TS]

  they're trying you know to sort of feel [TS]

  each other out and see if you know if [TS]

  he's really who he says he is [TS]

  that's just such a great scene it's one [TS]

  of the few scenes where the where [TS]

  they're face-to-face if not you know the [TS]

  only one of the things I like about that [TS]

  scene is that when Hans Gruber claims to [TS]

  be built clay John McClane looks over at [TS]

  him and a like a interactive building [TS]

  address board and there's a William clay [TS]

  there and you know to check out the name [TS]

  is real but that means Hans had the [TS]

  foresight to go ahead and look at that [TS]

  like as he walked into the room or just [TS]

  as part of the ambient what he's noticed [TS]

  that right because he's clearly not [TS]

  looking at it in that scene right he [TS]

  can't even see it he's in he's not he's [TS]

  sort of enough it just is next to it and [TS]

  facing away from it's a great city which [TS]

  is that fleshes out his background every [TS]

  room he walks into he Scouts the room [TS]

  for when he's going to need something [TS]

  later but it really is like he's the [TS]

  mastermind right like it's totally he's [TS]

  his operation secondly here it's all [TS]

  planned like everything is sort of [TS]

  perfectly [TS]

  I mean without being like saying [TS]

  stereotypically German but like there is [TS]

  that whole like it's like clockwork [TS]

  right you know his whole this is the [TS]

  plan [TS]

  we're gonna wait for the FBI guys show [TS]

  up they're gonna cut the power that's [TS]

  gonna let us get in here we're gonna [TS]

  blow up the roof so that they think [TS]

  we're all dead we're going to take the [TS]

  the car truck or the ambulance and drive [TS]

  out you know nobody will know we were [TS]

  here he is almost brilliant most [TS]

  efficient most vicious unluckiest [TS]

  terrorists and not even a terrorist just [TS]

  a fake fake terrorist I got invited to [TS]

  the party by accident if mclean had [TS]

  missed his plane or been in traffic or [TS]

  the whole plot goes perfectly well it's [TS]

  really mr. Takagi doesn't think I've got [TS]

  my dr office and argyle to pick him up [TS]

  and bring him to the park [TS]

  ready because Holly's been working very [TS]

  hard and also as a as a Japanese [TS]

  businessman i feel very strongly that [TS]

  the estranged husband and the wife [TS]

  should get back together I don't really [TS]

  know but Takagi's motivation in hiring a [TS]

  limo or worries little dazed argyle just [TS]

  a friend I skies are gonna rent a limo [TS]

  driver or c2 kagaz limo driver it is his [TS]

  first time driving a limo right right [TS]

  used to be a tat used to be a cab driver [TS]

  well its new your it's our Christmas Eve [TS]

  right so how many maybe just falling in [TS]

  is a Christmas Eve yeah that or is it [TS]

  y'all [TS]

  I was Christmas Eve it's the holiday [TS]

  party before Christmas but i'm not sure [TS]

  attack no one does it on Christmas Eve [TS]

  though reading the Japanese only in [TS]

  gremlins where the kids are going to [TS]

  school course but there's nobody else [TS]

  there right like the whole building shut [TS]

  down nobody else around [TS]

  well it's there it's a little direction [TS]

  right America they're building it so [TS]

  it's not completed yet which is why [TS]

  there's all that room for action scenes [TS]

  up in the upper floors [TS]

  I want to put in a good word in this [TS]

  might sound strange but I want to put in [TS]

  a good word for Ellis oh he's lost [TS]

  despite being a stupid like a god damn [TS]

  stupid schmuck [TS]

  haha on co does do he has one very [TS]

  redeeming quality which is that he [TS]

  doesn't give up Holly right in that he [TS]

  he claims to Hans when trying to [TS]

  negotiate and get sort of John to like [TS]

  you know give himself up so that they [TS]

  can all try to go home or whatever or so [TS]

  he's misguided plan is we just actually [TS]

  wind up getting him killed as is right [TS]

  we'll keep tellin Hans has a the John's [TS]

  a friend of his you-know-what find [TS]

  somebody you do care about [TS]

  yeah I don't give them to you he says it [TS]

  and you you are led to believe that [TS]

  Ellis is selling out Holly because he's [TS]

  had this conflict with holly was like [TS]

  guys because your husband he's ruined [TS]

  everything but he doesn't sell he [TS]

  doesn't sell him out he doesn't sell her [TS]

  out that and you know so he's a jerk but [TS]

  he doesn't turn Holly into a hostage and [TS]

  he gets a he gets going he does [TS]

  Selma clean because he gives it all [TS]

  absolutely right but not until Holly out [TS]

  because he's trying to get in your pants [TS]

  so i'm not sure you can really call that [TS]

  a positive that's a hero man now it's [TS]

  the harder i think of diehard has a [TS]

  problem it's that a lot of these [TS]

  ancillary characters [TS]

  that the the douchebags are complete [TS]

  irredeemable douchebags that makes it so [TS]

  great that the Deputy Police the [TS]

  reporter with the FBI guys Ellis they [TS]

  they are i mean well i think McClain and [TS]

  Hans are really really well fleshed out [TS]

  realistic peoplesmart guys everybody [TS]

  else's is almost parody well that that's [TS]

  the you know something that we might [TS]

  have been talking about before you came [TS]

  on as this this strange dichotomy in [TS]

  this movie where there are parts of it [TS]

  that are pretty straight and actually [TS]

  and really great and then there are [TS]

  these parts that are really weird broad [TS]

  satire and funny but a little bit by [TS]

  dissident from the rest of the movie [TS]

  because the elbow cop is that way to [TS]

  robocop has huge wide satire and then [TS]

  there's some really great action scenes [TS]

  baby feels like two different movies not [TS]

  die hard so much petrol become well i [TS]

  mean i think the part of that were [TS]

  diehard comes from the fact that this [TS]

  was adapted from a book basically which [TS]

  was a lot more straight-laced as far as [TS]

  it goes [TS]

  I went and read about this before you [TS]

  know it in in looking stuff up about [TS]

  this because yeah there's a whole [TS]

  different inserted it borrows very [TS]

  heavily from the book but they changed [TS]

  very like certain key things including [TS]

  like instead of Hollywood isn't it the [TS]

  Holly character is actually his daughter [TS]

  instead of his wife and Alice's her [TS]

  boyfriend [TS]

  basically but a lot of the characters [TS]

  are actually pretty similar and they [TS]

  apparently take a lot from it but i [TS]

  guess i think a lot of the satire [TS]

  elements probably came in later on in [TS]

  the process and so I think there is a [TS]

  reason that feels very very conflicted [TS]

  about that in some ways [TS]

  did you know that the book is a sequel [TS]

  to another book that was the source for [TS]

  a 1968 Frank Sinatra movie I did not [TS]

  Frank Sinatra was the original John [TS]

  McClane wow you just in my mind it's [TS]

  called the detective it's not supposed [TS]

  to be very good [TS]

  the guy who wrote the book that the [TS]

  detective was based on wrote the second [TS]

  book as a sequel intending to make it [TS]

  into a movie and Sinatra past and then [TS]

  20 years later Bruce Willis made it [TS]

  wow they're very much like those too yes [TS]

  it was able to record albums they both [TS]

  acted if you know they're both 20th [TS]

  century American men they both had [TS]

  people killed [TS]

  I i like that further than that die hard [TS]

  2 is also based on a book by a totally [TS]

  different author yeah it's like they [TS]

  couldn't just come up with an idea for [TS]

  we've already making the first book p [TS]

  but look what they did when they came up [TS]

  with ideas the third and fourth movies [TS]

  I'd much rather have a book that has [TS]

  somebody like a good deal interested in [TS]

  the franchise building a plot one of the [TS]

  things that makes diehard standout for [TS]

  most action movies is the plot makes [TS]

  sense now that everybody's smart it has [TS]

  to stand alone as a book without the [TS]

  whole apparatus of a movie stars and and [TS]

  franchise around it and then if you [TS]

  start with that you can go ahead and [TS]

  make a good movie after you attack all [TS]

  the other crap on do i think i think one [TS]

  of the reasons why we saw so many movies [TS]

  that were diehard in them in an ex right [TS]

  afterward is is the e I'm not sure [TS]

  whether it's true or not but I think [TS]

  there's a perception that the the fact [TS]

  that this is set in a confined space [TS]

  with a confined set of characters and [TS]

  the fact that this movie has a very type [TS]

  of plot and it goes through a stage play [TS]

  it goes from item to item to item and [TS]

  then whether those two are perfectly [TS]

  connected or not I think it's arguable [TS]

  but I think that's why we saw a lot of [TS]

  this is because that's one of the great [TS]

  strengths of diehard right is that it [TS]

  all you know it all follows and and [TS]

  every action that happens really leads [TS]

  to the next action and you never you [TS]

  never have that real sag I think we're [TS]

  thinking about well now what and then [TS]

  there's a new complication that comes in [TS]

  i mean the ester the police come but you [TS]

  know that they're always going to come [TS]

  and they come fairly early so as it [TS]

  turns out necessary [TS]

  yes as it turns out because the police [TS]

  are pretty useless actually also [TS]

  completely I that they need but I guess [TS]

  you gotta get one before you get the [TS]

  other alright and that that plays [TS]

  against the ipod that plays up how what [TS]

  a genius Hans Gruber is right because he [TS]

  wants the police to come [TS]

  he wants them to call the police he [TS]

  wants the police to be there he wants [TS]

  the FBI to come and so all these action [TS]

  movie tropes of like you know we gotta [TS]

  get out of here oh no the cops are here [TS]

  now we're trapped in the bank [TS]

  for khan's grouper he he wants all of [TS]

  the bad things to happen because he's [TS]

  that smart is that he's playing against [TS]

  the expectations that's one of the great [TS]

  things about the movie and then of [TS]

  course there's Bruce Willis who's the [TS]

  monkey in the wrench you can see the [TS]

  monkey in the wrench at the lie that's a [TS]

  lie in the only he's applying the [TS]

  ointment but my okay right right up in [TS]

  the conference room [TS]

  that's right um Alex that's clue [TS]

  the other thing that I don't know if you [TS]

  guys have covered this but the other [TS]

  thing i like about this movie it [TS]

  compared to other action movies of the [TS]

  era is that Bruce Willis appears to be [TS]

  at least marginally human that this is [TS]

  the same thing with Indiana Jones is hot [TS]

  he can get scared he can you [TS]

  yes we do this you've been over this so [TS]

  yeah that's a no that's okay we can we [TS]

  can go back there to it because you're [TS]

  welcome to the party again pal [TS]

  haha no you're exactly right that the [TS]

  it's the vulnerable hero where he there [TS]

  there's some there's a scene where he's [TS]

  like punching his way through a a wall [TS]

  or a piece of glass or something like [TS]

  that you can see him wince and he like [TS]

  doesn't want to do it but he knows he [TS]

  has to you know what the whole audience [TS]

  cringes every time he pulls the glass [TS]

  out of his home God whom [TS]

  yeah and and that's so great to have the [TS]

  vulnerable hero he smart he's vulnerable [TS]

  he's confident because he's like this [TS]

  cop but you know that's not that [TS]

  explains why he can do gunplay and they [TS]

  have some he's not alone but he's not [TS]

  Schwarzenegger right Bobby let's get him [TS]

  in that last scene right worries comes [TS]

  down on you know you got my crap kicked [TS]

  out even shot by that point to get shot [TS]

  in the shoulder he'd been beaten the [TS]

  crap out of my car like in that whole [TS]

  like you know like brawl in the in that [TS]

  room with all the pipes from the boards [TS]

  or whatever I mean you'd run over glass [TS]

  you you know you've done everything [TS]

  there's a scene in the second movie [TS]

  where they're escorting people down this [TS]

  empty airport hallway and well the [TS]

  second movie [TS]

  how can the same thing happened the same [TS]

  guy twice okay why does this keep [TS]

  happening to us and the terrorists are [TS]

  fake painting crew and they opened fire [TS]

  in this ambush and McClain is trapped [TS]

  under would i think the the painting [TS]

  scaffolding and the gun is out of reach [TS]

  and the terrorist is walking down the [TS]

  moving hall with moving stairway moving [TS]

  walkway towards him and he flips the [TS]

  power on and the gun starts moving [TS]

  towards him and that was my favorite [TS]

  scene in the second movie because it was [TS]

  something that was so unexpected as a [TS]

  moviegoer but totally natural and [TS]

  totally something smart character would [TS]

  absolutely smart so what we what we [TS]

  think of area that second movie I you [TS]

  know I think if the time people were [TS]

  impressed that was actually a pretty [TS]

  good movie when everybody assumed the [TS]

  sequel's were going to be lousy and it [TS]

  is impossible in in many ways that this [TS]

  would happen to that guy again but you [TS]

  know it was a very successful movie on [TS]

  top of everything else mean it's not [TS]

  it's it's obviously I think we most was [TS]

  probably agree it's not to the same [TS]

  caliber as die hard but it's still [TS]

  entertain much better than it could have [TS]

  been the sole thing I remember about it [TS]

  having seen it in the theater and then [TS]

  not sense is that it wasn't complete [TS]

  crap that's it stabs a guy in the face [TS]

  with the idea with an icicle some point [TS]

  there's a plane what I remember that [TS]

  whatever made with the the plane crash [TS]

  was I mean devastating at the time it [TS]

  was I remember coverage of how violent [TS]

  movies were that season and they rank [TS]

  the body count of all the action movies [TS]

  that came out and diehard ranked up in [TS]

  the 300 because of the jumbo jetliner [TS]

  crash right flown by colm Meaney by from [TS]

  Star Trek for Brian crashes a plane [TS]

  everybody dies and when that guy is a [TS]

  loser cleans wandering through the [TS]

  racers Richard Thornburg which is pretty [TS]

  great [TS]

  oh yeah yeah William Atherton got I love [TS]

  that guy he is so great in in all its up [TS]

  hehe i just saw him he was on an episode [TS]

  of lost and I you you're not going to [TS]

  believe this but he was playing a kind [TS]

  of a jerk find that hard to believe [TS]

  you're right it's amazing in mind below [TS]

  0 that that guy so the original the [TS]

  original diehard was directed by john [TS]

  mctiernan who also directed die hard [TS]

  with a vengeance i believe [TS]

  mhm and and then I think recently did [TS]

  some time and is now out on bail [TS]

  there's a great reference to him if you [TS]

  ever watched them do you ever watch [TS]

  alias yesterday rancho absolutely a [TS]

  reference in one episode that's a [TS]

  die-hard light episode where so there [TS]

  pull up and like a like a he hvac like [TS]

  van or something and it's called like [TS]

  McTiernan repairs or something [TS]

  either nice little you know the head so [TS]

  so i guess if we talk about the cultural [TS]

  significance of diehard beyond being the [TS]

  greatest christmas movie ever [TS]

  right then yeah absolutely you know [TS]

  families gather around the hearth on [TS]

  Christmas Eve to watch Bruce never sung [TS]

  a rousing round of your PKA mother I [TS]

  have okay now before so before I get [TS]

  what I was gonna say i'm going to point [TS]

  out if you haven't seen the die-hard [TS]

  music video on youtube by the the band [TS]

  guys night visit that is a great video [TS]

  please go see it because it's an [TS]

  original song about the die hard [TS]

  franchise including those famous words [TS]

  as the chorus and boy try to listen to [TS]

  that man not singers the next five days [TS]

  and they will get out at one point to [TS]

  which was really frustrating because all [TS]

  the clips than the they had a music [TS]

  video with the clips and everything onto [TS]

  the ball it's all back up [TS]

  alka including the 4th verse for [TS]

  die-hard with revenge s or lip print [TS]

  lifted and I hardware they say we don't [TS]

  we have really seen it but we're pretty [TS]

  sure that John McClane kicks ass [TS]

  that's how the song have you talked [TS]

  about have you guys talked about the [TS]

  fifth one yet i was now didn't I know [TS]

  they are diehard movie they've been [TS]

  talking about the what huh [TS]

  now is this like the crystals comments [TS]

  and practical joke of it doesn't really [TS]

  exist [TS]

  yeah this is the caddyshack to of die [TS]

  hard films so there are they doing in a [TS]

  you know how I enjoyed the fourth one as [TS]

  an action movie just as a [TS]

  straightforward actually happy I you [TS]

  know I would I think that's I I'm ok I'm [TS]

  ok with that Bruce Willis is a lot of [TS]

  fun [TS]

  they are currently working on the script [TS]

  Justin Long was not terrible [TS]

  no no I actually really guy i will say [TS]

  my credit goes to mary elizabeth [TS]

  winstead who played John plays out the [TS]

  grown-up Lucy McClane john mccain's [TS]

  daughter and really and more recently [TS]

  was in Scott poker and she's um she's uh [TS]

  what what uh what's-his-name just along [TS]

  as her boyfriend right [TS]

  so in in the night at the beginning not [TS]

  to be i mean no there's no do they do [TS]

  they owe that's right ok but they [TS]

  learned important lessons about each [TS]

  other during the mid 30 * that's what I [TS]

  was gonna say I was gonna comment based [TS]

  on your years you said john tyler start [TS]

  talking about John material directing [TS]

  the first 1i think you know the second [TS]

  one was directed by running hard [TS]

  and we've directed and yet directed [TS]

  highlander that correct and cutthroat [TS]

  island so you know you can see you can [TS]

  see sort of the pedigrees the so what i [TS]

  was getting out earlier before we took [TS]

  those tangents was the influence of this [TS]

  movie in the sense that there were [TS]

  countless movies and TV shows afterward [TS]

  that basically took this plot of put a [TS]

  kid put a hero put a character walk them [TS]

  in a in a difficult situation in an [TS]

  enclosed space and with bad guys and see [TS]

  what happens [TS]

  so Duffy yes there's an attraction for [TS]

  this episode of buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

  called school hard which is what you [TS]

  think they've got locked in the school I [TS]

  think of something completely different [TS]

  when I hear that I know you do [TS]

  see there you go Greg you got in there [TS]

  you guys so to speak so to speak [TS]

  oh this episode is rated r clearly uh [TS]

  there's an episode of Star Trek The Next [TS]

  Generation where Captain Picard and [TS]

  locked on the enterprise all by himself [TS]

  and has to have a house to well it's [TS]

  being cleaned while it's being all [TS]

  evacuated by a depth by the right [TS]

  numbers right it kills everything [TS]

  doesn't your laser goes around don't [TS]

  forget episode that stairwell you climbs [TS]

  up into the front of 10 forward to avoid [TS]

  it right before it turns out i was good [TS]

  i was gonna stay they have to run that [TS]

  like every six months or ten forward [TS]

  starts to smell like a small around that [TS]

  being about it [TS]

  you have no idea what going and keeps [TS]

  the moment she's actually not very good [TS]

  at her job and she's really old I mean [TS]

  yeah it's not good at dr. Crusher's [TS]

  quarters by the way proof that places [TS]

  and some pics back it was sad when data [TS]

  left his cat on board when they were [TS]

  doing this he came back they were able [TS]

  to get the pot was never seen again [TS]

  it's about became a spot on the floor [TS]

  yeah I was gonna say my favorite one of [TS]

  my favorite diehard limoges was in the [TS]

  short-lived series the middleman there's [TS]

  an episode where they get locked in [TS]

  their their headquarters [TS]

  I'm gonna have to crawl through the [TS]

  bread and it's full of impact die hard [TS]

  references including my what a great [TS]

  quote it's like diehard in a building [TS]

  yeah and she crawls through the vents [TS]

  that even does bruce willis impression [TS]

  hey come out to the coast we'll get [TS]

  together have a few laughs yeah good one [TS]

  and then the most and then the [TS]

  the paintball episode of community this [TS]

  is Tom had a and a nice diehard bit [TS]

  frightened of it right and I I think of [TS]

  the the movies that have been made i [TS]

  mean i mentioned speed earlier I think [TS]

  speed is even though it's not quite the [TS]

  same as the the movie i would say it's [TS]

  almost like diehard in the sense that [TS]

  not only was it a good movie but it was [TS]

  kind of a kick into it in its [TS]

  high-concept setup and yet also having a [TS]

  payoff ebert gave die hard 2 stars out [TS]

  of four when it first came out [TS]

  complaining mostly about the broad [TS]

  secondary characters and then he gave [TS]

  speed to cruise control three stars haha [TS]

  wow just goes to show you it's like die [TS]

  hard on his high during the eighties the [TS]

  cruise ship [TS]

  yes we can't slow down to the boat it [TS]

  explodes [TS]

  well they had that there's a scene where [TS]

  the cruise ship is coming at the dock [TS]

  and it's supposed to be very exciting [TS]

  except it looks like it's not moving at [TS]

  all it can look like five miles an hour [TS]

  I just scroll down the wikipedia entry [TS]

  for die-hard and under the see also [TS]

  section the first entry is die hard film [TS]

  series fine [TS]

  the second entry is films considered the [TS]

  greatest ever not even the crib fit [TS]

  greatest Chris what else is on that note [TS]

  I was great I I mean I'm kind of scared [TS]

  to click on that I'm worried that speed [TS]

  to might also be honey is it maybe of [TS]

  their kind of sort of crept off the end [TS]

  of the screen there it is very extensive [TS]

  wait Chris there's a Christmas section [TS]

  oakley success with section that does [TS]

  not have die hard in all geez [TS]

  so since this is a holiday holiday movie [TS]

  themed podcast i before we go I also [TS]

  wanted to ask do you have any other if [TS]

  diehard isn't let's put it in its own [TS]

  category any other favorite Christmas [TS]

  movies things that you watch on a [TS]

  regular basis around the holidays any of [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah well now yes I psychological drama [TS]

  where Jimmy Stewart goes insane Harvey [TS]

  it's written as the worst frickin life [TS]

  ever and yet we are you that it is [TS]

  wonderful I mean it's sort of one it's [TS]

  it's all happening in his head as he [TS]

  plunges to his death right that's yes [TS]

  yes it's it's the occurrence at Owl [TS]

  Creek Bridge with Clarence angel I will [TS]

  you might my second favorite Christmas [TS]

  movie of all time which is santa claus [TS]

  conquers the martians wow it's drop oh [TS]

  well yeah [TS]

  Tropico and recycling yourself that mr. [TS]

  Dora yeah as a child before before she [TS]

  bought her golden globe [TS]

  yes good knowledge i have idolized and [TS]

  basically a greater 3000 i have I that's [TS]

  the only person worth watching you know [TS]

  at this point it's it's kind of pass a [TS]

  to say Christmas story so I'll skip that [TS]

  but i will say that i have recently [TS]

  added to the list films that i watch [TS]

  fairly regularly at all it is [TS]

  l.o.l if we watch that we broke that out [TS]

  with my kids last week who are 9 and six [TS]

  and they thought it was hilarious and it [TS]

  is a funny movie but the kids the kids [TS]

  loved it too and it stuck with my son [TS]

  because we were actually watching [TS]

  Miracle on thirty-fourth Street which is [TS]

  my wife's favorite holiday film and i [TS]

  really like it a lot and there's a seen [TS]

  a mailroom and my son says this isn't at [TS]

  all like the middle room and else i will [TS]

  say honest-to-goodness miracle third 43 [TS]

  to the original is is probably my other [TS]

  favorite way the original today remake [TS]

  that one too many times for don't know [TS]

  go to the original we actually have the [TS]

  DVD and it offers the color versions yes [TS]

  like a way for you call no letter which [TS]

  is better now that the black my version [TS]

  is superior black-and-white all the way [TS]

  that's fine with that but elf is a great [TS]

  help is a lot of a lot of fun although i [TS]

  can't watch out without thinking that [TS]

  james Kalm you know just needed the [TS]

  money but he's good he's very good at [TS]

  what you needed for imagine [TS]

  yeah yeah it's just it's come to that [TS]

  with james caan but maybe you know it's [TS]

  a good film when the heart you know it's [TS]

  got so much heart that the infernal [TS]

  mugging of the Allies name not going to [TS]

  Michael Daryl Daryl doesn't drive you [TS]

  absolutely up the wall know that that's [TS]

  one of the wind will Ferrell movies [TS]

  where where it's it's a character that [TS]

  it is a perfect fit for him committing [TS]

  to just go all the way with it where [TS]

  we're in other movies are like really [TS]

  will ferrell that one you know buddy the [TS]

  elf really is designed for somebody like [TS]

  will ferrell and then what [TS]

  Stewart is in that movie and there's a [TS]

  lot of fun any other favorite a holiday [TS]

  fare in a charlie brown wars holiday [TS]

  special [TS]

  oh how I i if I could reach you through [TS]

  this look [TS]

  definitely if you get the opportunity to [TS]

  pick up and watch the rifftrax for that [TS]

  it is phenomenal [TS]

  really they're there i don't i don't [TS]

  know like it's still put my put myself [TS]

  through that yeah i was going to take [TS]

  you've gotta like get the dr like [TS]

  bittorrent though I they had it on [TS]

  google video and it's you can find it [TS]

  around that the beauty of it is they [TS]

  actually do the commercials as well say [TS]

  you've got you know these these look for [TS]

  the union label kind of a you know Union [TS]

  song ads that you don't get any more [TS]

  that they back when there were unions of [TS]

  course boy commercials for things that [TS]

  just look unbelievably idiotic and they [TS]

  point that out so it's it's a nice break [TS]

  between be Arthur singing 45-minute [TS]

  songs and Harvey Korman embarrassing [TS]

  himself and and probably about five [TS]

  future generations of Corman's ways [TS]

  performance you remember when the Star [TS]

  Wars Christmas special was the thing [TS]

  that George Lucas had the most to be [TS]

  embarrassed about [TS]

  goodbye although the good old days are [TS]

  you have to about 1998 he still thinks [TS]

  it is that's how you know he's over the [TS]

  edge [TS]

  the doctor who christmas special count [TS]

  yeah sure there are you dr. Kunze dr. [TS]

  whoever you have a favorite I i think i [TS]

  think the in some ways the first david [TS]

  tennant Christmas invasion [TS]

  yeah it's pretty great I just I like the [TS]

  end of it I like that the david tennant [TS]

  sort of you know he says the world and [TS]

  in a pair of pajamas [TS]

  well any also it's it's his defining [TS]

  moment right as at dr is establishing [TS]

  why he is not Christopher Eccleston and [TS]

  he sort of discovering it at the same [TS]

  time I always enjoyed that our second no [TS]

  second chance i'm gonna i'm gonna bring [TS]

  out a charlie brown just because I I [TS]

  thought that the Charlie Brown which we [TS]

  we all probably loved as kids and I can [TS]

  just tell you from my kids that it still [TS]

  works [TS]

  it shocks me that a cartoon from the [TS]

  late sixties would still work on kids [TS]

  but pretty great it works [TS]

  the grinch still works yeah i'm not sure [TS]

  the rank is bass stuff from the [TS]

  seventies still work [TS]

  no with the forever Jim Carrey right [TS]

  action grinches scared my children it [TS]

  put them off movies for at least a year [TS]

  and a half they were terrified scared me [TS]

  what about I what the original Frosty [TS]

  the Snowman [TS]

  Oh God talk about terrifying i come on [TS]

  you do both you and your in the Duchy [TS]

  prosti our lives that we wouldn't lives [TS]

  for a lot no burrows and brutal [TS]

  ya know it's doing it he's the leader [TS]

  and strangely sliding snowman and brutal [TS]

  no I think the frosties / lives wasn't [TS]

  all right now realize a silver and gold [TS]

  and down find out he sings holly jolly [TS]

  Christmas and and silver and gold i have [TS]

  Rudolph he's had two on memories of [TS]

  those and yet when I've seen them since [TS]

  they're terrible wear while the Charlie [TS]

  Brown i had fears would be the same way [TS]

  and it's totally not the Charlie Brown [TS]

  Christmas especially are you dissing the [TS]

  heat miser you know I loved I back when [TS]

  I i only had my memories of I mr. [TS]

  heatmiser i'm mr. Sun I it was awesome [TS]

  and then I saw the year without a santa [TS]

  claus and it's richard it's terrible [TS]

  did you see the utterly terrifying and [TS]

  even more wretched live action one that [TS]

  came out a few years mill good all my [TS]

  god who I really hope that one ever sees [TS]

  the library and oh yeah it was bad thing [TS]

  John Goodman was one of the money mr. [TS]

  food visor [TS]

  yeah I i put a plug in for the original [TS]

  home alone which is actually not a bad [TS]

  movie I've never seen that I'm the only [TS]

  person who was alive during the release [TS]

  of home alone who did never see a home [TS]

  loan is great it's quintessential john [TS]

  hughes and a pretty great movie [TS]

  i I can't speak to the seagulls but you [TS]

  know I think at the end this may be the [TS]

  podcast in which diehard was talked [TS]

  about the league are we I don't know how [TS]

  we got here [TS]

  uh any any closing thoughts about about [TS]

  die hard to to get us back very great i [TS]

  want to tell an anecdote just because [TS]

  the die-hard holds a special place in my [TS]

  life because when it came out [TS]

  I was I had dropped out of school [TS]

  the girl i had dropped out of school for [TS]

  had dumped me I was living with my [TS]

  parents and working at a software etc [TS]

  and the only comfort i had was that I [TS]

  could put a gun in my mouth at any point [TS]

  y and the the local movie theater [TS]

  getting a little dark now it now it is [TS]

  like Christmas and all this like that [TS]

  hard like it's a wonderful life the the [TS]

  the local movie theater at eleven [TS]

  o'clock on tuesdays a buck for any movie [TS]

  they were showing just because it was [TS]

  totally empty and I had nothing else to [TS]

  do and so I would go to the movies on [TS]

  Tuesdays and I walked into die hard not [TS]

  knowing anything about it and I came out [TS]

  of the theater two hours later one of [TS]

  the morning completely jazzed [TS]

  I didn't know what to do with myself I [TS]

  was I was quivering just so excited so [TS]

  amped up and i ended up running up three [TS]

  flights of metal stairs in the mall [TS]

  where the movie theater was and I got to [TS]

  the top of the stairs and I wanted to [TS]

  burst out onto the roof and the door was [TS]

  locked so I turned around and walked [TS]

  back down but I remember that Android [TS]

  metaphor for your whole life i'm just [TS]

  picturing this whole seen Clarence [TS]

  Clarence truth is a die-hard out that I [TS]

  there's something to live for [TS]

  let's play doh it excelled great just as [TS]

  Brittles those pedals and on that note I [TS]

  think we've reached the end of our time [TS]

  here on the incomparable podcast or [TS]

  perhaps we've passed the end circle back [TS]

  around and reached again but in any case [TS]

  I think we're done [TS]

  so I'd like to thank my guests from down [TS]

  in the basement is the back of the [TS]

  limousine next to the bear argyle [TS]

  himself greatness [TS]

  thanks Greg thanks jason from I don't [TS]

  even know from a from an air vent its [TS]

  Steve let's thank Steve their welfare [TS]

  and eating a twinkie down in the parking [TS]

  or in the parking lot outside of [TS]

  Nakatomi Plaza at stanmore and get BK my [TS]

  friends haha [TS]

  until next time this is jason still for [TS]

  the incompetent podcast [TS]

  happy new year happy holidays and we [TS]

  will see you in 20 left [TS]

  this happened the incomparable podcast [TS]

  is it essentially in comfortable dot-com [TS]

  I [TS]

  or not but that it put that at the end [TS]

  of the after you do all the outro music [TS]

  or not or will we got all the [TS]

  cliffhanger [TS]