The Incomparable

15: My Computer is Powered by Frisbees

 

  the only memory I have of tron is [TS]

  getting on the the rtd and taking the [TS]

  bus to old town in torrance and playing [TS]

  the video game for four hours at a clip [TS]

  every Saturday one summer with Larry [TS]

  Bacharach and a video game was the video [TS]

  game any good when you played it for [TS]

  four hours to clip it must have been it [TS]

  was not very good I'm you know it was a [TS]

  video game [TS]

  it did have the cabinet there wrapped [TS]

  around you and you didn't get to play it [TS]

  was multi game or a unit one thing was [TS]

  discs one thing was tanks one thing with [TS]

  light cycles and so it seems impressive [TS]

  but each individual games was not but we [TS]

  played the light cycles and the spiders [TS]

  had asked to justify and a knob and you [TS]

  could spend an arm around and shoot [TS]

  inspired we play that one we played the [TS]

  light cycles just incessantly and we'd [TS]

  lineup like like four dollars in [TS]

  quarters and on across the top of the [TS]

  the name you know the little edge they [TS]

  have they're putting quarters down to [TS]

  claim it and then we go to the mcdonalds [TS]

  next door and get a big mac and then go [TS]

  wow that's a life man [TS]

  only if you have a better one intron [TS]

  maybe but stuff [TS]

  the incomparable podcast episode 54 [TS]

  December 2010blog supplemental yeah [TS]

  that's right well no I was gonna say [TS]

  greetings programs haha i got a bar and [TS]

  welcome to the uncomfortable podcast i'm [TS]

  jason l and as you might guess we're [TS]

  going to talk about tron a little bit [TS]

  although I will fire I promise to fire [TS]

  the spoiler horn before we get into any [TS]

  particularly spoilery details about the [TS]

  new tron movie Tron Legacy joining me [TS]

  today on the podcast we have Dan Morgan [TS]

  hi Dan [TS]

  hey it's been so long been awhile i can [TS]

  John siracusa everybody and also [TS]

  serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hello so tron is back the what 1982 [TS]

  Jason Detroit never really leave [TS]

  well that's actually one of the [TS]

  questions is that it became this cult [TS]

  movie and at some point disney turned [TS]

  over a rock and said hey that's called [TS]

  movie that was a failure when it was [TS]

  initially released it has a has a [TS]

  following and has some sci-fi elements [TS]

  to it we might have a franchise here so [TS]

  let's do another movie which is what [TS]

  they're doing and and God you know it [TS]

  Disney just loves the airport being [TS]

  franchise [TS]

  yes indeed so I remember have seen tron [TS]

  again this state's me I i saw Tron in [TS]

  the movie theater with my cousins and [TS]

  and I remember it being kind of okay but [TS]

  not great and I know that that's heresy [TS]

  but i just want recently watched it [TS]

  again and my take on it when i watched [TS]

  again was that it wasn't as terrible as [TS]

  i remembered which I'm is not a big [TS]

  endorsement but that's what that's what [TS]

  I mind my memory of it was very vague i [TS]

  remembered seeing part of it at like the [TS]

  after-school program i went to when I [TS]

  was a kid like on VHS or something and I [TS]

  remember a couple of the scenes like [TS]

  vaguely remember them playing like video [TS]

  games in the arcade at the beginning and [TS]

  then some of the scenes you know in the [TS]

  in the computer itself but i did not [TS]

  have like a memory of the cohesive whole [TS]

  and so I just watched it recently as [TS]

  well and you know you know we SAT around [TS]

  talking to some friends after that and [TS]

  we're sitting there going it's hard kind [TS]

  of in some ways it feels like a Disney [TS]

  movie in other ways you're like [TS]

  how Disney like make this like why it [TS]

  seems so weird that their name is on [TS]

  this because it's a really strange [TS]

  almost verging on the absurdist to time [TS]

  but that was the disney that made the [TS]

  black hole to write that was what we [TS]

  were talking to did you escape to Witch [TS]

  Mountain is another one area that's [TS]

  right that's a little more time with me [TS]

  like but a little creepy little creepy [TS]

  right didn't have kids it wouldn't work [TS]

  about the original witch mountain here [TS]

  not the one that they've released no no [TS]

  the kurt russell yeah yeah and the [TS]

  flight of the navigator try the [TS]

  navigator yeah that's a good example [TS]

  that's when Disney had no idea what it [TS]

  was doing that they were desperately [TS]

  trying to figure out what was going on [TS]

  in tron came out of that in Antron was a [TS]

  flop at the time but yeah you're right [TS]

  like jeff bridges is kind of like a [TS]

  hippie and he's cut or not a hippie but [TS]

  he's a little bit easy [TS]

  he's got groupies like a proto dude he's [TS]

  got away with murder hacker to me is [TS]

  that he's a hacker but they're like [TS]

  girls and it was it's it's a little bit [TS]

  weird because it is disney clean in some [TS]

  ways and yet another way you like it and [TS]

  so don't know the real world stuff is is [TS]

  so strange and melodramatic and it's a [TS]

  very weird movie it's an extremely [TS]

  strange movie and I I you know watching [TS]

  it as those for the first time anyways [TS]

  it really was kind of hot it was an [TS]

  experience you know it was very straight [TS]

  you know because in one time at this [TS]

  well at the at the same time you're [TS]

  kinda like how these the special effects [TS]

  are so eighties at the same time it's [TS]

  like well I mean not that they're [TS]

  they're like crazy impressive at this [TS]

  point but there is a certain like well [TS]

  there's a consistent sort of feel and [TS]

  tone to the movie and the effects are [TS]

  interesting for the time you're right [TS]

  Maya like me and yeah if you put it in [TS]

  context or two they're totally crazy [TS]

  only our movie that had anything like [TS]

  that with star trek to which was the [TS]

  same period of time that had the one [TS]

  seen the Genesis thing which was two [TS]

  minutes long and introns got all this [TS]

  crazy computer animated stuff and it's [TS]

  not the most sophisticated but it's [TS]

  mind-blowing that they even tried to do [TS]

  it justice spider was after that wasn't [TS]

  it i think thats dark matter after was [TS]

  that was that was upping the ante was [TS]

  the same thing that later texture [TS]

  mapping it was just shading and flat [TS]

  color same thing this tron but they [TS]

  figured they can do more than two or [TS]

  three scenes so I last starfighter head [TS]

  up the ante in terms of the amount [TS]

  content and how important it was to the [TS]

  movie yeah the same technology that was [TS]

  a disney that was involved in last [TS]

  starfighter I don't think it was I think [TS]

  it was maybe Fox I don't know my other [TS]

  movie they need to remake my kids [TS]

  watched tron with me two weeks ago when [TS]

  we watched it and they liked it but I [TS]

  think they liked it worked at exactly [TS]

  the level that it was intended to work [TS]

  on with kids which is it's a cool video [TS]

  game movie right and they're not really [TS]

  worried about the nuance of character [TS]

  and and dialogue and plot or lack of [TS]

  same they're like light cycles are cool [TS]

  you know that's on one level on that [TS]

  level I think that movie works [TS]

  I mean let's be fair light cycles are [TS]

  pretty freaking cool oh yeah i think i [TS]

  was an odd kid because I i saw this [TS]

  thing when I was whatever age I was when [TS]

  it came out and I remember mostly I [TS]

  don't know much about the plot i [TS]

  remember you know that's very seems up [TS]

  but the feeling I remember the feeling [TS]

  is it's being angry because that's not [TS]

  what computers are like at all and it [TS]

  was like it was like if you ask my [TS]

  parents what computers be like in the [TS]

  future they come with us like no you [TS]

  don't go inside there's no inside is no [TS]

  people it's it's a machine you see the [TS]

  silicon chips and transistors and it [TS]

  just bothered me that this thing that I [TS]

  liked was being co-opted for this movie [TS]

  they really had nothing to do with [TS]

  computers you want to find a [TS]

  metaphorical though right and I just [TS]

  felt like I was a kid that was I this [TS]

  was before cyber space and cyberspace [TS]

  annoys me to this day but about you know [TS]

  the idea that we have these great things [TS]

  which were legitimately cool their own [TS]

  right but instead we had to make up this [TS]

  whole other thing with motorcycles and [TS]

  little people or whatever when just this [TS]

  year concept of microchips and a [TS]

  possible consequences of them was much [TS]

  more interesting than that in this world [TS]

  inside the computer well which is hard [TS]

  because of weight yet when you go back [TS]

  now and watch it if you do know anything [TS]

  about computers like the metaphor [TS]

  definitely goes off the rails at a [TS]

  couple point where you're just starting [TS]

  their going wait wait there [TS]

  somebody wants to talk to John digital [TS]

  frontier [TS]

  drop location information as they went [TS]

  through the computer [TS]

  what did they look like robots chips [TS]

  motorcycles [TS]

  yes motorcycle electronic slamming plays [TS]

  keep dreaming I thought I'd never see [TS]

  because it doesn't exist and the exact [TS]

  that's how about some good it does have [TS]

  some good music I talk about that that's [TS]

  how tron legacy starts that's actually [TS]

  from the turon legacy soundtrack that's [TS]

  how the movie starts for the tron legacy [TS]

  soundtrack having not seen tron legacy [TS]

  yet but having your having been a fan of [TS]

  daft punk i'm a huge plug for the [TS]

  soundtrack because it's pretty awesome [TS]

  that is awesome [TS]

  it is awesome and i have seen I have [TS]

  seen tron legacy [TS]

  so which is one of the reasons why I [TS]

  called you all here is because I saw a [TS]

  movie before it came out but I can't [TS]

  remember the last time being alien 3 was [TS]

  the last time that happened in boy that [TS]

  was not a good movie aliens little [TS]

  review little spoiler review alien alien [TS]

  3 battle defend david fincher daily and [TS]

  three the same way that you will defend [TS]

  no ordinary family for example III isn't [TS]

  this not saying anything three is a good [TS]

  movie because it's not really put this [TS]

  is something there was something there [TS]

  an alien 3 newts dad sorry about that [TS]

  remember a treat the girl you got [TS]

  invested in aliens [TS]

  well she's getting the first thing sorry [TS]

  okay I'm palliative on because Charles [TS]

  Gunn is here and there are other monks [TS]

  and aliens and a lice head shaving and [TS]

  its quality so I so I yet Ron the [TS]

  original tron I the parts that i liked [TS]

  about it i mean i kind of like Jeff [TS]

  Bridges beverages is probably the best [TS]

  part of them you know the-the-the well [TS]

  that the game scenes are interesting [TS]

  with the disc in with the light cycles [TS]

  and at the time especially it's kind of [TS]

  mind-blowing but but the dialogue and [TS]

  applaud i want to say how psyched i am [TS]

  that there's a world in which the most [TS]

  redeeming skill would be like knowing [TS]

  how to play ultimate frisbee [TS]

  yes it does i would rule in the truck [TS]

  was on saying you would [TS]

  there should have been a scene in Tron [TS]

  Legacy where Garrett Hedlund is playing [TS]

  ultimate frisbee so that when he gets [TS]

  into the game you can be like it makes I [TS]

  can through this he actually does that [TS]

  with the oh sorry motorcycles have [TS]

  oilers [TS]

  yeah he rides a motorcycle so that's big [TS]

  spoiler there but just to let you know [TS]

  he rides a motorcycle takes us trailer [TS]

  we see that in the trailer [TS]

  yeah all right well then he's not a huge [TS]

  spoiler but I I could share bigger [TS]

  spoilers i just want to fire on this [TS]

  little horn i gotta say it also [TS]

  throughout just a bit about the you know [TS]

  it's fascinating to see them make you [TS]

  know create a sequel to a movie [TS]

  30 years later right like I mean they [TS]

  just did something similar with wall [TS]

  street two but like I like the way that [TS]

  they so easily could have been a remake [TS]

  right but they made it yeah i mean like [TS]

  a made-up bruce boxleitner and jeff [TS]

  bridges and all the in you're like wow [TS]

  what a I mean fascinating I think the [TS]

  conversation must have been why do you [TS]

  think we could get Jeff Bridges back [TS]

  because if we could then we should do [TS]

  this is a sequel [TS]

  I don't know about you think we could [TS]

  get Bruce Boxleitner key is I think so [TS]

  so Bruce Boxleitner let me tell you [TS]

  original tron by the way has half the [TS]

  cast of Babylon 5 minute because Peter [TS]

  juristic is also in londo from Babylon 5 [TS]

  he's the accounting program that gets [TS]

  really a bruce boxleitner is great in [TS]

  fact i was watching that watching the [TS]

  movie and thinking he's got a real like [TS]

  Robert Redford and sneakers vibe going [TS]

  on here and I read a review of tron [TS]

  legacy today that said he's channeling [TS]

  Robert Redford he's great i I actually [TS]

  think so i think he's a better actor now [TS]

  than it was 30 years ago almost sounds [TS]

  like he's really he's really perfect and [TS]

  in his part is that you know Alan [TS]

  Bradley who's kind of the angry guy on [TS]

  the board of income and um I hope you I [TS]

  hope people see it and say hey let's get [TS]

  Bruce back box liners agent call because [TS]

  he is fantastic and i hope to see him [TS]

  and other stuff because he really did a [TS]

  great job i mean i like to my dad 15 but [TS]

  in tron legacy I every time he comes on [TS]

  screen like yeah it's bruce boxleitner [TS]

  so yes sorry i I've admitted that i like [TS]

  bruce boxleitner but you know so they [TS]

  got the band back together instead of [TS]

  doing the remake which they totally [TS]

  could have done that said the first 45 [TS]

  minutes of tron legacy is kind of a [TS]

  remake it where you you set up the [TS]

  premise that it's a sequel and then a [TS]

  you know [TS]

  I'm gonna keep the spoilers light but I [TS]

  want to make it clear that there are [TS]

  slight spoilers here you know here's [TS]

  spoiler alert sam does go into the tron [TS]

  world [TS]

  no really I know again it's in the [TS]

  trailer and and what happens to him when [TS]

  he gets there is essentially what [TS]

  happens to Jeff Bridges when he gets [TS]

  there intron he he ends up giving you [TS]

  found and they think he's a program he [TS]

  says he's not a program but they don't [TS]

  listen to them and they send him to me [TS]

  mad [TS]

  yeah and they sent him to the games and [TS]

  because why do they do that well because [TS]

  the same reason is the original they [TS]

  want to show you the light cycles and [TS]

  they want to show you the disc game and [TS]

  so before the plot really kicks into [TS]

  gear you get the same kind of stuff that [TS]

  you had in the original tron it you know [TS]

  so it's sort of funny because it the [TS]

  first little part of it is kind of a [TS]

  remake that's cool let's revisit this [TS]

  world and show you how we have updated [TS]

  it well I mean cuz we gotta make it [TS]

  accessible to everybody who didn't see [TS]

  tron right and it is you know it i think [TS]

  it is pretty straightforward that you [TS]

  don't have to i mean if you've seen the [TS]

  matrix 2i think you kind of get it and [TS]

  that's one of the funny things about i [TS]

  was very matrix like my friends at how [TS]

  angry he was when the matrix came out [TS]

  because it was ripping off Tron and I [TS]

  was like now i guess i can see that in [TS]

  some ways you automatically yes there's [TS]

  a similarity but at the same time vastly [TS]

  different movements there's but there's [TS]

  bits of the matrix in tron legacy to [TS]

  where you can definitely tell that it [TS]

  that it's been influenced by it and and [TS]

  and jeff bridges you know jeff bridges [TS]

  is really good in it if I've got any [TS]

  criticisms of tron legacy it's that [TS]

  doesn't have a very good sense of humor [TS]

  but he's funny in his it in his the fact [TS]

  that his character is kinda like the [TS]

  dude in the big lebowski he's kind of [TS]

  this hippie and he spent most of his [TS]

  time you know I think sitting in a lotus [TS]

  position and he has to be spurred into [TS]

  action and which is funny because when [TS]

  we cuz i saw that scene like in a [TS]

  trailer where he started sitting in the [TS]

  lotus position and there's a cut scene [TS]

  from the original tron in which the [TS]

  character of tron played by this box [TS]

  well is also sitting in a lotus position [TS]

  and like it's the same sort of like [TS]

  looking out over this Vista cuz there's [TS]

  this scene that they cut which is on the [TS]

  DVD which is like a love scene which is [TS]

  kind of hilarious in that it's very it's [TS]

  the only part they ever take off that [TS]

  their helmets [TS]

  so they have my hair was essentially [TS]

  micron and the girl whose name escapes [TS]

  yeah Yuri yeah and it's very very weird [TS]

  because like they actually take off the [TS]

  light helmets that they wear and they've [TS]

  got hair and like it its she changes [TS]

  into let me slip into something more [TS]

  comfortable and what there's this great [TS]

  story about like remembers one of the [TS]

  producers whatever arguing with the [TS]

  director about like like not taking it [TS]

  out or something and it's like you have [TS]

  to take it out it doesn't make it he [TS]

  said to totally bring up the flow the [TS]

  movies disney movie too [TS]

  what are you doing well that actually [TS]

  100 mpa premiums that kissing you rated [TS]

  exactly and it's a it's a scene in which [TS]

  one another like or don't like using the [TS]

  others might be onto something exactly [TS]

  like a graphic here [TS]

  graphic api's but I have a question for [TS]

  Jason because uh having not seen that we [TS]

  only seen the trailers my essential of [TS]

  my questions from the trailers but first [TS]

  all the girls gave me the impression [TS]

  that I'm gonna be disappointed i think a [TS]

  lot of people have that pressure on the [TS]

  trailer but when i look at the trailer [TS]

  what I say is i can see what this trail [TS]

  is trying to say to me and my question [TS]

  is is tron legacy uh Christopher Nolan's [TS]

  Batman or tim burton's batman is you [TS]

  know asking like what the original tron [TS]

  is where is it a like marker span and [TS]

  yeah and this looks like a a dark kind [TS]

  of remake but there's darken this dark [TS]

  you know what I mean like it's kind of [TS]

  like a tim burton's batman compared to [TS]

  Adam West one thing but then you go one [TS]

  step up for christopher nolan i would [TS]

  really like this movie I think if they [TS]

  went you know if this was the dark [TS]

  knight you know [TS]

  oh I have a feeling its timber well it [TS]

  is a PG movie you know it is it is well [TS]

  I wouldn't say it's tim burton because [TS]

  I'm first I'm not a big tim burton fan [TS]

  although I like the original batman but [TS]

  he is so stylized and and i don't mean [TS]

  the silence mean in terms of like how it [TS]

  compares the original content which was [TS]

  kind of more kid dish and then this is [TS]

  kind of you know the remake okay so okay [TS]

  agile okay about tron legacy whatwhat [TS]

  tron legacy is is a modern 3d and 3d is [TS]

  good by the way it's not fake 3d and it [TS]

  the way they do it is is really [TS]

  brilliant it's Wizard of Oz like when [TS]

  you start in 2d and then at some point [TS]

  it blows into 3d it's really well done [TS]

  there's actually a disclaimer at the [TS]

  beginning of the movie that says yes put [TS]

  on your 3d glasses something will have [TS]

  then it won't happen right away just [TS]

  keep your 3d glasses on and don't [TS]

  complain so it is a modern blockbuster [TS]

  it's a holiday or or summer equivalent [TS]

  action blockbuster 3d CGI action movie i [TS]

  mean it is on the same kind of level as [TS]

  the transformer movies except actually I [TS]

  enjoyed this movie and i did not enjoy [TS]

  the transformer movies at all it is so i [TS]

  liked it i thought it was really good it [TS]

  is not a dark vision of [TS]

  something-or-other there you know it [TS]

  never gets too dark there are some of [TS]

  the other than the color you're saying [TS]

  it automatically doesn't get the right [TS]

  right there was a lot of black what's a [TS]

  lot of black and a lot of neon right [TS]

  which is sort of more like a ban on our [TS]

  land of adventure [TS]

  it is it is avatar avatar is probably [TS]

  the movie its most like other than you [TS]

  know [TS]

  tron um and you know the plot is [TS]

  somewhat nonsensical but but on another [TS]

  level I think if you go with if you just [TS]

  say well I'm just gonna go with it [TS]

  because it's like let's introduce this [TS]

  thing [TS]

  well that's gonna be relevant because [TS]

  why would you have introduced it there's [TS]

  some of that but you know generally it [TS]

  was really enjoyable and the effects are [TS]

  amazing the soundtrack is really good [TS]

  and so it's a movie that absolutely you [TS]

  can appreciate on the blockbuster action [TS]

  movie sense i think you really can [TS]

  appreciate it for that and then there is [TS]

  another level which is the nostalgia [TS]

  level which is like this is the same [TS]

  world clearly disney think this is gonna [TS]

  be a franchise and actually I was [TS]

  talking to somebody afterward who said [TS]

  did you understand the ending and I said [TS]

  oh yeah it [TS]

  the ending is that it's a franchise [TS]

  because it you know they're things that [TS]

  happened toward the end of the movie [TS]

  that you like are they going to resolve [TS]

  that [TS]

  no that's for the later video games [TS]

  spin-offs or movie sequels or something [TS]

  so it's got a little bit of kind of [TS]

  franchise aspect although not know I [TS]

  didn't feel ripped off its not like like [TS]

  a book that is split into tune two [TS]

  volumes and you get to the end of volume [TS]

  one or more like a harry potter movie [TS]

  where it's like don't know the rest of [TS]

  the movie doesn't come out for six [TS]

  months too bad too bad evil wins it's [TS]

  not it's not it's not like that anyway I [TS]

  found enjoyable there there is issues I [TS]

  have with it the kind of a lack of a [TS]

  sense of humor the the fake CGI jeff [TS]

  bridges young Jeff Bridges is pretty [TS]

  good a little encounter uncanny valley [TS]

  at first it's [TS]

  yeah yeah when I watched him in the [TS]

  trailer you choose me like the mother [TS]

  but it's pretty good it's the mouth [TS]

  doesn't quite match I think there's too [TS]

  many like muscles going on there in the [TS]

  the lip-sync isn't exactly right but [TS]

  i'll tell you as it goes on I you [TS]

  actually start to forget that it's there [TS]

  and and you have those moments were like [TS]

  oh right that's not no that's not real [TS]

  so it does get better as it goes along [TS]

  but so so John I don't know if that [TS]

  answers your question it's it's it's I [TS]

  think it does i think that that's it's [TS]

  an action movie right it's a cgi cry [TS]

  action movie it's not it's not dark in [TS]

  the sense of the themes about kind of [TS]

  exploring the human soul it it's a real [TS]

  kind of service just kind of surface [TS]

  level gloss on those kind of feels like [TS]

  that makes the movie the thing that [TS]

  makes movies dark is not so much the the [TS]

  plata or the material but it's more it's [TS]

  more like how emotionally wrenching it [TS]

  is on top of also being a strange [TS]

  fantasy scenario and most movies they're [TS]

  like adventure movies are sci-fi/fantasy [TS]

  just get by on their premise and a story [TS]

  but a movie like you know dark night for [TS]

  example right that the characters right [TS]

  go through experiences that are there [TS]

  are emotionally troubling and that adds [TS]

  adds realism to a situation that that's [TS]

  unreal and most movies are gonna go the [TS]

  extra mile that is this movie does not [TS]

  do that in this movie is an action [TS]

  vehicle with some kind of interesting [TS]

  things going on beneath the surface [TS]

  Jeff Bridges has some interesting issues [TS]

  because especially since it's him versus [TS]

  sort of himself for his own creation the [TS]

  same character you know they try to give [TS]

  him a lot of a lot of quirks but in [TS]

  reality it's your it's actually like the [TS]

  kid and transformers well you know there [TS]

  is there is a Shia LaBeouf of five a [TS]

  little bit to that to that where it's [TS]

  like that you know kid on his own who [TS]

  ends up in this crazy scenario if [TS]

  there's things exploding around him and [TS]

  he shows that he's more competent than [TS]

  you might have thought and I mean it [TS]

  it's got that to it but olivia wilde [TS]

  character Cora is very interesting and [TS]

  has a little bit of an interesting [TS]

  journey although there too I feel like [TS]

  there's some some sequel baiting going [TS]

  on but yeah it's what impressed me about [TS]

  it is that you could easily have made [TS]

  her a remake a sequel to tron that was [TS]

  totally cheesy and it's not cheesy it's [TS]

  it's it looks great [TS]

  the 3d [TS]

  is fantastic the effects are great the [TS]

  soundtrack is great it's loud and [TS]

  exciting and you know it is it is that [TS]

  mass entertainment and there's there's [TS]

  some finir of you know of philosophy [TS]

  going on there but it's not too deep [TS]

  it's definitely not in fact my biggest [TS]

  complaint about tron legacy is that [TS]

  gaming video games have come a long way [TS]

  since 1982 and yet [TS]

  at no point in this movie did they make [TS]

  an attempt to throw in sort of a video [TS]

  game genre that might be a little more [TS]

  modern this is a video game world as [TS]

  conceived by Flynn 1982 so you know [TS]

  there isn't a 40s shooter or Mario [TS]

  that's another way they could have gone [TS]

  with this is is not dark but avant-garde [TS]

  because if you think about the world [TS]

  inside the computer what we could do for [TS]

  an animated movie today and I are more [TS]

  more abstract more like a confusing it's [TS]

  basically more non-mainstream like what [TS]

  would it look like inside the computer [TS]

  with today's cg it could be ridiculously [TS]

  crazy nonsensical you know we do a [TS]

  better job doing dream world and like [TS]

  that that stupid JLo movie the seller [TS]

  whatever where that you're in someone's [TS]

  murderers head or what if you notice you [TS]

  know Kevin Flynn got insert it was a [TS]

  remake what if Kevin Flynn got inserted [TS]

  into world of warcraft right or [TS]

  something like that a massively [TS]

  multiplayer i'm thinking of like more [TS]

  like the scene from the end of 2001 were [TS]

  like you don't know what's going on but [TS]

  it's more like a cortar elsewhere you [TS]

  know inside the computer could be in [TS]

  comprehensible it's definitely not an [TS]

  art piece this is he has as you heard [TS]

  from the from the the jeff bridges [TS]

  speech the whole idea here is it's a [TS]

  metaphor [TS]

  the good thing about it is it's a [TS]

  metaphor made by people who understand [TS]

  how computers work better than they did [TS]

  in nineteen eighty-two there's some [TS]

  funny I saw with a bunch of of game [TS]

  developers and detect journalists and [TS]

  there's some funny scenes where where [TS]

  there's typing on a unix system that's [TS]

  apparently driving some of the stuff [TS]

  that's happening and there was a lot of [TS]

  laughter there because he's like running [TS]

  grab commands and stuff in it and some [TS]

  of the metaphors I felt like held [TS]

  together a little bit based on more [TS]

  based on what we know about computers [TS]

  today where is the original tron you [TS]

  looking like how is that a program how [TS]

  is that anything in a computer it's just [TS]

  a movie you know set in a computer that [TS]

  has no metaphor and tron legacy I feel [TS]

  like there's at least some basic [TS]

  computer literacy going on in the [TS]

  background that computer literate people [TS]

  can go [TS]

  oh yeah I see what that is also text [TS]

  make a noise when it appears on the [TS]

  screen every time a window appears [TS]

  before group it's all command line i [TS]

  have to say yeah but even in the movies [TS]

  like this drives me nuts that whenever [TS]

  text appears on a computer screen [TS]

  television and movies it makes no idea [TS]

  because so there's a television people [TS]

  have the television people feel like we [TS]

  will we will not be able to handle an [TS]

  end it appears like a letter at a time [TS]

  albeit very quickly like everyone is [TS]

  used to computer by now everyone knows [TS]

  that's not how computers work more time [TS]

  now to keep doing that media OS it i [TS]

  mean about 10 is basically media west [TS]

  and i still have to add the sound of a [TS]

  there is a funny bit about open source [TS]

  software and how income used to be with [TS]

  the people man and now they're now [TS]

  they're more oracle like and they're [TS]

  like selling the OS and and and it gets [TS]

  its there's some funny stuff about that [TS]

  at the very beginning so I do like that [TS]

  because after having seen the original [TS]

  tron and seeing how kind of as first [TS]

  computer focus is that movie is it is [TS]

  kind of computer illiterate on another [TS]

  level and and the generation that made [TS]

  this movie really gets computers in a [TS]

  way that that they didn't that Stephen [TS]

  list burger I think didn't get in 1982 [TS]

  and so it's different it's better right [TS]

  i mean that that part of it is is [TS]

  definitely better and I i think that the [TS]

  tron fan if that I and apparently there [TS]

  are those people out there might be [TS]

  upset because this is like you know it's [TS]

  like doing Star Trek The Next Generation [TS]

  or rebooting star trek or something like [TS]

  that where it's it's taking something [TS]

  that only belong to you for 25 years and [TS]

  now it belongs to everybody except what [TS]

  it belongs to them is not what you [TS]

  remember because it the world's been [TS]

  changed and extended so there's going to [TS]

  be some some of those people are gonna [TS]

  be upset but it's such a small group and [TS]

  i think it's going to create a whole [TS]

  generation of of new fans for this I [TS]

  actually think this is a viable a viable [TS]

  franchise they did a great [TS]

  they did a great job with that they [TS]

  really did I mean the thing about the [TS]

  original tron to and this is something I [TS]

  was going to mention earlier is I've [TS]

  seen tron a couple of times and most [TS]

  recently i think last year but whenever [TS]

  I go more than like a couple you know [TS]

  months without seeing it all becomes [TS]

  very vague and very like you remember [TS]

  memory [TS]

  like images just like a dream right yes [TS]

  and that's because there's a whole [TS]

  pieces of it you're like what is this [TS]

  one going on but it makes it easier I [TS]

  think to transition into you know try on [TS]

  the next generation so right right [TS]

  because you know you even if you've seen [TS]

  it recently what you really know is [TS]

  enough that you know there's a world and [TS]

  there's there's Jeff Bridges and it's it [TS]

  all it all work itself out right and and [TS]

  then it's all explained in the opening [TS]

  credits so I think that also journey [TS]

  which appeared in the original there [TS]

  isn't an over the crowd there is a there [TS]

  is a journey there is a journey song in [TS]

  this movie which is a hilarious there [TS]

  are several hilarious callbacks if [TS]

  you've recently seen tron or have it [TS]

  burned on your brain including journey [TS]

  and then then your rhythmic follows that [TS]

  the journey is the is the the same band [TS]

  that played me in Kevin flynn's arcade [TS]

  in the original and there's even a call [TS]

  back to the door to income the giant [TS]

  door that I was a I would never have [TS]

  gotten if I hadn't seen the movie two [TS]

  weeks yeah that's how weird little seen [TS]

  in the original that's what I got you [TS]

  know door they got people because I i of [TS]

  course I said you know we're watching it [TS]

  mr. open the door and I got that's a big [TS]

  story that makes it exact same thing in [TS]

  the movie and you're like okay at least [TS]

  they got a sense of humor about that [TS]

  yeah yeah so you know that's my real why [TS]

  do we have our laser directly pointed at [TS]

  a chair [TS]

  I don't know right now these things that [TS]

  because that's the way to get into the [TS]

  thing out its ya know eighties movies [TS]

  think yeah yeah so yeah so I think tron [TS]

  legacy is good and even if you did [TS]

  electron i think i think people i think [TS]

  people will like oh you know is the most [TS]

  fascinating thing to me is that this [TS]

  this is you know the christmas season of [TS]

  course being one of the other big [TS]

  seasons for movies in here the [TS]

  blockbusters especially i love the jet [TS]

  bridge is going up against himself this [TS]

  year because not only do you have to [TS]

  jeff bridges in introns but you also [TS]

  have the true grit remake with also has [TS]

  jeff bridge there's room enough for tron [TS]

  and true grit i think is room enough for [TS]

  30 sec all Jeff Bridges the the scenes [TS]

  where jeff bridges is is against young [TS]

  jeff bridges in tron are are really [TS]

  they're really cool and I wonder i'm [TS]

  sure that there's some featurette out [TS]

  there that explains how they did it [TS]

  I wonder what weather was combination of [TS]

  motion capture or replacement did he act [TS]

  as himself in the scene and then they [TS]

  replaced him or did they do it in with a [TS]

  double and then motion capture or was an [TS]

  article and wire to about it and I think [TS]

  they use another actor and then they put [TS]

  his face on top of the other actor so [TS]

  the other actor read his lines [TS]

  yeah and the antenna and they put his [TS]

  face on top of the other actors easier [TS]

  than doing a full CG head it was because [TS]

  they had a physical analog to work with [TS]

  leather and there are shocked actually [TS]

  they play with it they play with the [TS]

  audience expectations there are shots [TS]

  from behind and where he's behind like [TS]

  the frame of the window and you're like [TS]

  oh yes you're saving on CGI by having [TS]

  their but they're also shots the early [TS]

  on the movie where you're behind his [TS]

  head and you're like oh yes conveniently [TS]

  behind the guy's head so we can see his [TS]

  face that then the camera tracks around [TS]

  and you see that it's jeff bridges and [TS]

  my god see what you did there you played [TS]

  with my expectation of that would be [TS]

  actually geology has gotten a lot better [TS]

  if anybody saw that the social network i [TS]

  actually was watching that and there's a [TS]

  dirt well two characters for twins in [TS]

  that movie and I recognize the actor [TS]

  from something else I'd seen I was like [TS]

  I wasn't aware that he was a twin get to [TS]

  the end of the movie no same guy play [TS]

  both do need a majority i did not even i [TS]

  did not even i did not even suspected [TS]

  that one that was pretty good pull down [TS]

  delhi mills in a twenty there yet the [TS]

  difference the difference with bridges [TS]

  is that they had da gym right i mean [TS]

  that was the right that's the end of our [TS]

  partners that that's why George Lucas is [TS]

  buying up the rights that movie so that [TS]

  was proven false thank God [TS]

  well I have to say though that this was [TS]

  the first movie that I really watched [TS]

  and thought oh you know this is getting [TS]

  to be viable now where you really call [TS]

  that and that were there is a [TS]

  fascinating plum sort of premise for a [TS]

  movie script that I read many many years [TS]

  ago called gemini man' which sort of [TS]

  floating around for a long time right [TS]

  which was having it was like about a guy [TS]

  who starts getting hunted down by [TS]

  younger clone of himself essentially and [TS]

  they were trying to get like Harrison [TS]

  Ford or you know it's Sean Connery or [TS]

  someone like that was kind of has those [TS]

  distinct like you know older and younger [TS]

  parts of their careers because that and [TS]

  that and that would be fascinating to a [TS]

  certain extent and but you know it's [TS]

  just a big thinking younger couldn't you [TS]

  just get a young actor and put an [TS]

  old-age makeup though I mean it won't be [TS]

  the same right it would be the same [TS]

  person Harrison for there's not really [TS]

  an actor out there that signifies [TS]

  everything take a young actor like shia [TS]

  labeouf and have the old child both be [TS]

  Shia LaBeouf wearing makeup [TS]

  that i would recommend because you don't [TS]

  have the same grabbing a log yeah [TS]

  exactly he hasn't earned it right [TS]

  that's for sure I saw asked the the [TS]

  Crystal Skull and interestedly I saw [TS]

  transformers two easy transformers 2i [TS]

  did not it i only saw the guys get out [TS]

  on that one [TS]

  and now there's nothing they just [TS]

  released the trailer for the third 1i [TS]

  sorry an announcement trailer some [TS]

  people are excited about it and I just [TS]

  don't understand it and those movies are [TS]

  the perfect embodiment of just like [TS]

  sound and fury signifying now that does [TS]

  everything is on the screen banks [TS]

  together but it's just nothing that's [TS]

  why it's it's I brought up transformers [TS]

  when I talk about tron legacy costs Ron [TS]

  legacy again isn't deep or anything and [TS]

  it's not the greatest movie ever made [TS]

  but it is it is I could you know I could [TS]

  understand the entire thing and had fun [TS]

  watching it and and transformers I [TS]

  didn't even have fun [TS]

  well okay there's the scene with megan [TS]

  fox you know and looking at the car [TS]

  I enjoyed that seen any other scene in [TS]

  that movie I didn't even have fun it was [TS]

  like an ordeal to b2b survived as the [TS]

  noise and the robots and pieces and what [TS]

  are they doing and I can't even tell [TS]

  what accumulating two little kids who [TS]

  just want the spectacle and need [TS]

  absolutely nothing else they need no [TS]

  emotional attachment they need no [TS]

  following of the plot they just want [TS]

  respect to go but once you reached hey [TS]

  can I know so much dollars to know some [TS]

  adults were like out to ya then these [TS]

  were huge huge successes at the box [TS]

  office obviously somebody wants that [TS]

  what I'm saying is yeah that's wrong [TS]

  like to see mine is a cut above that [TS]

  it's not going to give you it's not [TS]

  gonna give you character depth it's not [TS]

  going to give you Batman Begins The Dark [TS]

  Knight but it is going to get you [TS]

  something that is more than the the [TS]

  totally like protein-free calories that [TS]

  you get with something like transformers [TS]

  so you know KITT gauge your enthusiasm [TS]

  accordingly but for people who like [TS]

  sci-fi movies geeky geeky people people [TS]

  who listen to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  for example I think they're gonna like [TS]

  tron legacy as long as they can get over [TS]

  there [TS]

  their love of tron because they've seen [TS]

  a million times it's their favorite [TS]

  movie if you're out there listening what [TS]

  you've turned it off because we said bad [TS]

  things about tron so I guess you're not [TS]

  even listening [TS]

  so no I was kind of disappointed that uh [TS]

  that pixar didn't do [TS]

  tron because I've always been rooting [TS]

  for Pixar to take off the kid gloves so [TS]

  to speak and do a photo [TS]

  realistic cg movie with people which [TS]

  they'll eventually get there right and [TS]

  and not a kids movie like a drama so [TS]

  tron fits perfectly it's EG it's mostly [TS]

  inside a computer you can do it as kind [TS]

  of a young adult adult movie PG pg-13 [TS]

  but totally cg and isn't Rory I feel [TS]

  like would be a lot better if pixar did [TS]

  it because the pixar level of stories [TS]

  like avatar is like your cliché story [TS]

  like bong rip off familia the movies too [TS]

  cliche story is done workmanlike it's [TS]

  fine [TS]

  Pixar is take a you know protocol story [TS]

  and heighten it and like bring it up to [TS]

  the next level so you could if you gave [TS]

  pixar Tron and gave the end told the [TS]

  missus gonna be your first PG pg-13 [TS]

  photorealistic movie with humans in it [TS]

  go to town I feel like they would have [TS]

  done much better job than these guys did [TS]

  not that I'm saying this is a bad movie [TS]

  I feel like a basis of assessment still [TS]

  makes me want to see it and i probably [TS]

  will see it but I just think about what [TS]

  might have been you know well i'm not [TS]

  sure that the picture thing works so if [TS]

  you if one of the things that is [TS]

  interesting about Ron is that you've got [TS]

  real people in a computer in a computer [TS]

  world that if everybody cgi well it's an [TS]

  interesting everything in the computer [TS]

  should be of the computer that's what [TS]

  they were trying to do with those stupid [TS]

  suits with the black lights and [TS]

  everything in the original right it's [TS]

  supposed to look like you're in the [TS]

  computer and the fact that their flesh [TS]

  and blood is a demerit in my opinion at [TS]

  a mistake photorealistic people like [TS]

  it's jeff bridges face is basically a CG [TS]

  yeah ask wait I have another actor [TS]

  anyway so I'm saying we're not maybe [TS]

  you're not there yet but maybe another [TS]

  5-10 years when his pics are going to do [TS]

  the photorealistic humans in a Drama see [TS]

  out of sci-fi drama that's on waiting [TS]

  for I'm kind of torn about that because [TS]

  honestly I don't know if that really [TS]

  adds anything because it kind of feels [TS]

  to me like you're basically what what [TS]

  are you really accomplishing in that [TS]

  point you're spending hundreds of [TS]

  millions of dollars on doing something [TS]

  where you can basically put a bunch of [TS]

  you budgetary cancer it's not a it's not [TS]

  a technology stunt it's kind of like [TS]

  what are you accomplishing by you know [TS]

  making the incredibles on a computer [TS]

  while you the things you can do an [TS]

  animation that just because a [TS]

  photorealistic it means but what I'm [TS]

  trying to say is not a cartoonish it [TS]

  doesn't mean you can't do things that [TS]

  are only possible in animation in fact [TS]

  intron you should do things that are [TS]

  only possible in animation because you [TS]

  should be doing things that are only [TS]

  possible in the world of the computer [TS]

  turn people inside out you know how them [TS]

  grow and shrink do whatever you need to [TS]

  do that would be unfeasible with actual [TS]

  actors you're gonna get over get over [TS]

  the ninr yeah my pics are shallow and [TS]

  cry and and pics are showing out there [TS]

  you humanize anything they can to my [TS]

  eyes that you know monsters that can [TS]

  humanize little robots like humanize [TS]

  human stuff but jeff bridges is not jeff [TS]

  bridges in tron legacy is not there yet [TS]

  its closest closer than I've ever seen [TS]

  it but it's still not there and until [TS]

  you can get over that it once they get [TS]

  over that I think you you may see you [TS]

  may see that Pixar's philosophy right [TS]

  now is that mean they've actually gone I [TS]

  think less realistic with their [TS]

  characters recently of it but think of [TS]

  something like Gollum right that's not [TS]

  human but it's it's borderline like he [TS]

  worked as a character because you're [TS]

  bored again can evaluate how can the [TS]

  blue people in Avatar he was thinking he [TS]

  was a person that right and advocacy [TS]

  ourselves and our get a look at this [TS]

  whole thing you look at column now and [TS]

  it's really it's really hard to watch to [TS]

  be perfectly honest going back and [TS]

  revisiting those movies I don't think [TS]

  it's a good performance visited the key [TS]

  is that it's an act it's an actor [TS]

  performing that it's not you know [TS]

  there's the line between an actor doing [TS]

  a performance and animator making the [TS]

  performance like those will start to [TS]

  blend depending on the movie will go in [TS]

  one direction or another so I'm not my [TS]

  kind of corset [TS]

  yeah and I don't particularly you know I [TS]

  go back and watch a lot of old movies [TS]

  and you know I although it sometimes [TS]

  during I honestly don't find that is [TS]

  noticeable if it fits sort of within the [TS]

  frame of the movie so I still think all [TS]

  looks pretty good honestly you know at [TS]

  least in the frame of that movie [TS]

  it doesn't really pull me out of it like [TS]

  chances i think I practical performance [TS]

  is the important part and i am hearing [TS]

  people are those the character even if [TS]

  you look awful like yoda does not look [TS]

  good but you notice character it still [TS]

  works and Empire I well but i will argue [TS]

  it you are you a hundred times that he [TS]

  looks better than the cgi version oh [TS]

  yeah Leslie but their question right [TS]

  he's just a little by him as a person as [TS]

  a person in the in Empire just because [TS]

  of the an American parent is everything [TS]

  about the prequels is worse in every [TS]

  possible way so that it stands to reason [TS]

  that this would be one of those that [TS]

  actually kinda like the CG Yoda that's [TS]

  one of the only things i do have to pre [TS]

  called beyond like always to the CEO to [TS]

  beat people up later said not a reason [TS]

  to consider the whole point is you [TS]

  I mean to people yeah I actually liked [TS]

  it better when he in that there's that [TS]

  scene where he's walking in [TS]

  is it the second movie or maybe it's the [TS]

  first movie at the end of the first [TS]

  movie where he's walking along in the [TS]

  scene with other people and it's just [TS]

  him and and you can see him walking [TS]

  that's the one where I like who [TS]

  yeah you was walking you know don't [TS]

  think they look into why is wonderful [TS]

  time with John with John this one guy [TS]

  was a genius whatever Frank Oz it's on [TS]

  casters over my cause is a genius [TS]

  yeah we'll get there is just the pics [TS]

  are you know pixar it is a challenge for [TS]

  all the all the cgi people now that [TS]

  they're at the point where they could [TS]

  make people that looks like people and [TS]

  it would creep people out so they had to [TS]

  back off and i'm wondering to John's [TS]

  point when we get there where somebody [TS]

  says we're going to take a leap and [TS]

  we're gonna do something that really [TS]

  looks like reality and looks like real [TS]

  actors and and not stylized in a way to [TS]

  say this is animation and I mean it [TS]

  doesn't like that's my trial works [TS]

  because it's you don't have to make it [TS]

  real real real life because things [TS]

  should happen inside the computer that [TS]

  are not possible in real life and you [TS]

  buy them because of the the context but [TS]

  you do have to do it that first leap of [TS]

  saying look we're gonna make a whole [TS]

  movie cg there'll be nothing real this [TS]

  movie we're going to call a toy story [TS]

  that's one leap the next week I think of [TS]

  someone finally getting the guts to say [TS]

  where we want this to look as real as it [TS]

  possibly can and maybe the only cheap [TS]

  will have is that will do it in a [TS]

  context where unreal things can still [TS]

  happen [TS]

  I mean did you see the final fantasy [TS]

  movie yes I did and I was I knew it [TS]

  would be awful but i'm saying at least [TS]

  someone had the guts to try and [TS]

  miserably the only tried the only real [TS]

  problem that I see is when you run into [TS]

  the squash and stretch problem which is [TS]

  that animation fundamentally is built [TS]

  upon squash and stretch and if you're [TS]

  trying to make photorealistic humans you [TS]

  don't really have that power of being [TS]

  able to animate their faces and such [TS]

  well its software right and one of the [TS]

  things that pixar as and I think a lot [TS]

  of these companies do is they write [TS]

  software that that does muscle simple [TS]

  you know muscle synthesis and there are [TS]

  you saying that the squash and stretch [TS]

  is what makes the animation expressive [TS]

  it's like a lot of the animators are [TS]

  when you do cgi think you have to move [TS]

  more towards the actor's performance [TS]

  then [TS]

  the animators to the animators want to [TS]

  squash and stretch to make right actions [TS]

  look-look animation me and they're more [TS]

  dramatic interesting right here also you [TS]

  can't do that when you have right but [TS]

  you can't do that with a rigidbody thing [TS]

  like a human is supposed to be real and [TS]

  that case you're mostly doing [TS]

  performance capture and the animators [TS]

  are only there to make sure there's no [TS]

  hitches in the performance is why I'm [TS]

  kind of hesitant about the whole thing [TS]

  where it's just gonna end up with you'll [TS]

  end up with a movie that's got again a [TS]

  golem type in it which is it's an actual [TS]

  actors performance or or avatar actually [TS]

  actual active performance with motion [TS]

  capture exactly right avatar of the [TS]

  performances were guests of they weren't [TS]

  they weren't as expressive as Gollum I [TS]

  felt like the faces were more or less [TS]

  what they were going for realistic one [TS]

  in the blue people were drying their [TS]

  naughty were designed to I remember [TS]

  their name they were designed right [TS]

  you're if you're getting if you know the [TS]

  limitations of your of your animation [TS]

  you're going to design your characters [TS]

  to ya to hide the limitations which you [TS]

  can't do with the human with a pure [TS]

  human but you can do with blue people or [TS]

  or or hobbits hospices first whatever [TS]

  column is he's not a hobby XX accent [TS]

  this is not a hobby is like a river [TS]

  River purchase of something be [TS]

  interesting to see what the house looks [TS]

  like speaking of the hobbit to see how [TS]

  far they've come because like 44 Lord of [TS]

  the Rings gone is really the only major [TS]

  cg only character but they had a lot of [TS]

  other characters that like the hobbits [TS]

  they put rubber feet on them just [TS]

  because it's not feasible to do with CG [TS]

  feet for all the things right but at a [TS]

  certain point you can do this easy [TS]

  things and people don't notice any more [TS]

  like in the movies that you don't think [TS]

  have any cg cg they have tons of CG and [TS]

  there's some places where you don't [TS]

  notice right set and that's that [TS]

  intentions and background fills and [TS]

  stuff are or even just like a man once [TS]

  you can do like well the rubber feet [TS]

  look kind of not great in some scenes in [TS]

  Lord of the Rings if they could replace [TS]

  those rubber feet with better-looking cg [TS]

  feet and you just would have assumed a [TS]

  good-looking rubber feet like that's a [TS]

  win I feel like for overall not taking [TS]

  you out of the movie [TS]

  I don't know is going to pay it is the [TS]

  expense you know maybe maybe sometimes [TS]

  yes I'm saying eventually becomes easier [TS]

  to blend into the background because it [TS]

  becomes cheaper to do it in the computer [TS]

  and nobody notices literally nobody [TS]

  noticed it is a hundred percent as good [TS]

  whereas occasionally you notice the [TS]

  rubber feet in our occasionally a [TS]

  close-up you no good at us and pancake [TS]

  makeup and a little line on the edge of [TS]

  a wig because you know use shot eight [TS]

  million hours of footage and sometimes [TS]

  yeah but what it leads [TS]

  this charming I mean you look at [TS]

  something like back to the future and [TS]

  wouldn't back to the future be so much [TS]

  more [TS]

  not as cute if all the faces were [TS]

  digitally aged as always I mean all you [TS]

  don't have all the charm it will have [TS]

  all the time you want member watching [TS]

  holographic movies that we stand in the [TS]

  middle of me haha you remember this 2d [TS]

  movies where you are in the middle of it [TS]

  wasn't a hoax on my side job by this it [TS]

  by this argument I think you said you [TS]

  know you could say that the special [TS]

  editions of star wars were on virtually [TS]

  good because they updated with CGI and i [TS]

  would argue that they were so awful [TS]

  well then everything exactly see I knew [TS]

  everything that was but i think that i [TS]

  think the issue is that you know there's [TS]

  something to the cgi in many cases that [TS]

  still feels sterile like it'sit's a [TS]

  little balcony and when to use it and [TS]

  when not to use it and the answers are [TS]

  was when to use it was never know that [TS]

  that's not entirely fair they're dead [TS]

  there are things that the cgi get you [TS]

  used to clean up the optical compositing [TS]

  that's it but that's but that's a good [TS]

  point that I mean so much of Star Wars [TS]

  is Magic was all of the mats and all of [TS]

  the miniature no no but it has to be [TS]

  internally consistent because if you [TS]

  have an entire movie that's made with [TS]

  electron you can't put practical effects [TS]

  into the middle of tron of what i can [TS]

  see G effects into there are practical [TS]

  effects and tron legacy though because [TS]

  all the suits are done with LED lights [TS]

  and they aren't like CGI composited I [TS]

  mean like the light box where they build [TS]

  a full-size model the light back the guy [TS]

  climbed into and they cut the CD light [TS]

  bike i really doubt that they did that [TS]

  because they do that tend to stand out [TS]

  you want a movie to be internally [TS]

  consistent and of its time so if you [TS]

  have a practical effects movie and you [TS]

  throw in something that you know was not [TS]

  possible that doesn't fit with the rest [TS]

  of the movie at all because you could [TS]

  never actually show you know this model [TS]

  from this angle between another [TS]

  technology it sticks out like a sore [TS]

  thumb and add to the fact that all the [TS]

  cg star wars was done very early [TS]

  relatively speaking in the age of CG and [TS]

  just looks horrible horrible right [TS]

  that's that's the biggest problem with [TS]

  it is now it looks like it looks dated [TS]

  because it was done like a mac and and [TS]

  the planets [TS]

  yes and now I mean some of the stuff I [TS]

  think I'd argued and there are there are [TS]

  parts of the original of the Death Star [TS]

  fight in the original Star Wars special [TS]

  edition on New Hope special edition that [TS]

  actually don't look too bad especially [TS]

  if you go back and look and compare them [TS]

  at the models they're clearly [TS]

  technically superior [TS]

  whether or not they're better using i [TS]

  might when I was shouting downpour [TS]

  friend who's sitting across from me I my [TS]

  point was just you know maybe they're [TS]

  nostalgic reasons why you like seeing [TS]

  the mat lines on the x-wings as they go [TS]

  by but that's not I mean that the that [TS]

  I'm wasting my lines i'm just saying you [TS]

  can't an entirely new cg x-wing because [TS]

  there weren't enough on the screen [TS]

  no III don't know whether I mean restart [TS]

  Ripper I I feel like that's a that's an [TS]

  argument about my where that argument [TS]

  wins for me is that George Lucas keeps [TS]

  backing don't you know going back over [TS]

  his work again and begin the game he's [TS]

  altering content that is that is the [TS]

  worst sin that he is actually altering [TS]

  well I mean because it's a slippery [TS]

  slope right it started with let's first [TS]

  up the x-wing fighter and it turned into [TS]

  you know green shoots her first you know [TS]

  and i like that once you start like [TS]

  tapping at power so I by dr. it's like [TS]

  the dark side of the iBot the the star [TS]

  trek HD blu rays are those the ones with [TS]

  the renal you actually can watch it with [TS]

  the redone special effects are not the [TS]

  reason they redid the special effects is [TS]

  that they did was our practice HD [TS]

  transfer and that the since it was all [TS]

  shot on film it looks great and they [TS]

  restored the the film and it's amazing [TS]

  to see star trek HD because it's better [TS]

  than it ever looked because it was only [TS]

  broadcast on ntsc in the day but they [TS]

  read the special effects partly because [TS]

  the special effects they didn't have [TS]

  very many they were extremely limited it [TS]

  was TV in the sixties to run to a sci-fi [TS]

  show with special effects and so they [TS]

  tried to be you know and some of them [TS]

  working some of them don't but what I [TS]

  like about it is they tried to be [TS]

  faithful to what they were trying to do [TS]

  and what they wanted to do but kinda [TS]

  couldn't pull off and some of it was [TS]

  about science like they should these [TS]

  planets that people were supposedly [TS]

  living on with a breathable atmosphere [TS]

  and it looked like a gas giant because [TS]

  that was the shot they had they made it [TS]

  they were able to build a planet with [TS]

  terrain and and and use that instead and [TS]

  i actually like like that but the reason [TS]

  that that I like it is because they were [TS]

  very restrained and they give you the [TS]

  option to do either one and also because [TS]

  i think they wanted to reach another [TS]

  audience and and the day really terrible [TS]

  terrible effects of of the old star trek [TS]

  wall nostalgic to some you know when i [TS]

  watch those with my kids I show them [TS]

  what the ones with the new effects [TS]

  because [TS]

  it helps and all and it helps [TS]

  it's what they're used to know in a way [TS]

  the funny thing is they did fix some [TS]

  errors in the start there's a scene [TS]

  where I'm mr. Sulu's looking at his [TS]

  chronometer and it's winding backward it [TS]

  and it's wrong way and it doesn't work [TS]

  right and they just they just replaced [TS]

  it with an and it doesn't offend me [TS]

  because it always defended me that they [TS]

  got it wrong and that it was also a [TS]

  series of disks that were spinning and [TS]

  now it's a readout the tix backward and [TS]

  it's way better [TS]

  so you know I I understand the purest [TS]

  argument and I understand the argument [TS]

  that you use the tech to kind of cleanup [TS]

  was there at the same time I kind of [TS]

  appreciate the fact that they went [TS]

  through episode by episode and did new [TS]

  HD versions of those special effects [TS]

  that really fit more with like what I [TS]

  imagined Star Trek was trying to do [TS]

  instead of that one shot of the [TS]

  enterprise hanging there with a funny [TS]

  angle and a little phaser beam coming [TS]

  out of it flashing on and off to [TS]

  something where you could actually like [TS]

  see the other ship and it had [TS]

  perspective and it was obviously not a [TS]

  model hanging on a string [TS]

  well I think it's all about the key is [TS]

  they let you have the original still go [TS]

  to your right [TS]

  unlike Georgiana say we get there we got [TS]

  like that that's almost all problems [TS]

  like look we've we've got cleaned up [TS]

  version and we got the original you get [TS]

  to pick which one you want but not [TS]

  giving you a choice at all it's just [TS]

  that's what gets people like yeah it's [TS]

  all about respecting the original source [TS]

  material [TS]

  I mean if you if you were to go into the [TS]

  original Star Trek and then instead of [TS]

  you know doing these 3g or these 3d CGI [TS]

  models trying to put it in with the same [TS]

  like CGI model that you used in the star [TS]

  trek movie that came out last year and [TS]

  then saying oh yes this is in the same [TS]

  universe is this alright you replace the [TS]

  enterprise with the enterprise from the [TS]

  Judaic exactly oh yeah it's all of all [TS]

  my job to murder you know it's yeah [TS]

  right back to vendors that is excellent [TS]

  excellent point well everybody well [TS]

  everybody in everywhere because a broad [TS]

  Mary's day I know you're if you know [TS]

  your continuity you will know that the [TS]

  incursion by Nero in the past change the [TS]

  timeline which obviously altered the [TS]

  design aesthetic of the Federation [TS]

  starships go india naka does that voice [TS]

  better than I do but anyway yeah it was [TS]

  a lovely yes he does he does that pretty [TS]

  doesn't lead it's because sometimes you [TS]

  know he's just taping the comic book guy [TS]

  so just be careful separate is comic [TS]

  book guy that's right but it is it is [TS]

  the amount of bending over backward that [TS]

  Star Trek fans due to explain why the [TS]

  enterprise looks way cooler and modern [TS]

  in JJ Abrams movie is so amusing because [TS]

  it's because it's cooler that's why it [TS]

  looks like that every timeline challenge [TS]

  for didn't work for starters the New [TS]

  Yorkers are was no oh well they didn't [TS]

  reboot it right it's all just about you [TS]

  and Lucas you know what Lucas wants to [TS]

  do with it the whole podcast we have to [TS]

  do about Star Wars but what he wants to [TS]

  do with the the originals is make that [TS]

  is flatten them out so that they're [TS]

  exactly as flat as the prequels so that [TS]

  they're all considered equal and that [TS]

  you'll just view them from one to six [TS]

  and you know and who knows maybe he'll [TS]

  be on the right side of history they're [TS]

  not not he'll be wrong beyond their I [TS]

  don't think he will I mean his movies [TS]

  are you know I I'm not saying I wish for [TS]

  the guy to die because that's what sean [TS]

  because you have already contacted could [TS]

  be declared incompetent happened like we [TS]

  take it away from him somehow to say yes [TS]

  and it's not they get away with it they [TS]

  get away they go back on track because [TS]

  Roddenberry's dead and it's basically [TS]

  controlled by Paramount mainly Paramount [TS]

  Studios people just want to it's [TS]

  controlled by a committee right day and [TS]

  it and people come to say if if we do [TS]

  this and don't put in the original stuff [TS]

  we are going to get screwed right what [TS]

  they did was start right we say we're [TS]

  gonna go find a producer who we trust [TS]

  and we're gonna give it to him and say [TS]

  do with you know do the right thing here [TS]

  and then and JJ Abrams brought on his [TS]

  who doesn't know whose star wars guy and [TS]

  actually doesn't know from Star Trek he [TS]

  brought in his his buddies who are all [TS]

  star trek fans and they said how can we [TS]

  do right by this franchise [TS]

  where's george lucas you know again [TS]

  right identity created likely the [TS]

  original like the remastering the [TS]

  original 100k [TS]

  no the reason that they put in the old [TS]

  but they give you the choice right of [TS]

  the new version the old version is [TS]

  because they knew that people are in [TS]

  prison with some more jerky I don't want [TS]

  to get on that right but George Lucas [TS]

  and I know everyone knowing right so no [TS]

  yeah yeah George Lucas is holding some [TS]

  sort of bizarre misguided principal sees [TS]

  unfinished you know problems and that's [TS]

  all of this line now it's like originals [TS]

  problems right but it turned out of the [TS]

  Spanish because now it's like you know [TS]

  well you don't like my taste therefore [TS]

  i'm taking my taste and shove it down [TS]

  your well I like these this way you [TS]

  don't then now it's like it's stubborn [TS]

  and it's only gonna get worse [TS]

  it's only gonna get worse because they [TS]

  want to say what's gonna happen is [TS]

  they're gonna do 3d the 3d versions [TS]

  which that they're working on now [TS]

  they're going to our mission idea all of [TS]

  this and i eventually mark my word time [TS]

  when your moviestar what's coming after [TS]

  that through cgi versions of star wars [TS]

  with the original characters I'm saying [TS]

  he will die the reitz will go up to [TS]

  somebody and they will reboot Star Wars [TS]

  no no they're gonna keep him alive later [TS]

  style man he's more he's more machine [TS]

  than man now twisted and evil is my [TS]

  husband already reached about that Dan [TS]

  so how about that run as we are you at [TS]

  the Star Wars I could do that if you [TS]

  can't touch Star Wars it unravels like a [TS]

  sweater it's good it must be touched it [TS]

  must even be don't even look at it it [TS]

  must be played with your eyes [TS]

  john and i will have a whole podcast [TS]

  which is yelling there are other words [TS]

  even when we're even when we're agreed [TS]

  that we need to feel we need to find [TS]

  somebody who disagrees with us so we can [TS]

  both shouting them what now what would [TS]

  they would they be what would they be [TS]

  four other than they already are already [TS]

  probably pro prequel I possible way or [TS]

  they would try to argue that Empire is [TS]

  not the best any one of those things [TS]

  my daughter my daughter actually just [TS]

  come on the next one she likes the one [TS]

  without your doctor and she you know [TS]

  presumably existing picturing i'm [TS]

  picturing like us like there's a great [TS]

  scene in the in the simon pegg sitcom [TS]

  spaced where it's like a shop alot of [TS]

  simon pegg and he's yelling and yelling [TS]

  about how bad too like you don't know [TS]

  how good it was you just love this jar [TS]

  jar and all this and it cuts back and [TS]

  it's like a like a seven-year-old boys [TS]

  lip quivering yeah [TS]

  I've got a picture and that's what be [TS]

  like if we argue with her daughter honey [TS]

  sit here and these men are going to yell [TS]

  at you over skype just put the [TS]

  headphones on and hide [TS]

  she just walk away listen to her taylor [TS]

  swift album instead but the you walks [TS]

  they like those Ewoks honestly honestly [TS]

  but pretty sure that's what things maybe [TS]

  that's what the first prequel especially [TS]

  that is a great movie if you're 547 I [TS]

  like this pod racing in episode 1 [TS]

  grateful when you're five or seven [TS]

  kiki's delivery service 547 well we like [TS]

  to rate movie actually is i like that [TS]

  movie is a great movie I'd like to [TS]

  apologize again to the incomparable [TS]

  listeners because once again we've come [TS]

  up with a topic for a future podcast [TS]

  which is miyazaki which we're gonna have [TS]

  to do is kiki's delivery service [TS]

  I love love love that movie that is one [TS]

  of my favorite movies and kids movies [TS]

  and I recommend it to people all the [TS]

  time it's also one of the only movies [TS]

  I've ever seen that that doesn't really [TS]

  have an antagonist at all [TS]

  there's no bad guy in that movie life is [TS]

  the antagonist yes and Phil Hartman is [TS]

  the voice of a cat as deep and that [TS]

  makes that we could talk about dub dub [TS]

  vs subs and yeah I would I would I would [TS]

  have to side with the the subs there [TS]

  sorry i I'm a long time on a fan i'll [TS]

  become hardman voice of the cat I'll [TS]

  being so bad [TS]

  wow there's a whole other podcast to be [TS]

  done there but but for now I think we'll [TS]

  have to to say goodbye or more [TS]

  appropriately and blonde so I'd like to [TS]

  thank my guests serenity cluster control [TS]

  serenity called well thank you Jason did [TS]

  you hear the grid is a I could play the [TS]

  grid speech again no nobody wants to [TS]

  hear that is ok um breathing's parole [TS]

  and more and thank you you're gonna [TS]

  someday you're not going to say thank [TS]

  you and I just gonna do we get off this [TS]

  podcast but thank you until that point [TS]

  and what you're welcome and and John [TS]

  siracusa thanks for being here and [TS]

  fighting the good fight against George [TS]

  Lucas is always yes absolutely [TS]

  the podcast that's right it's like we [TS]

  did to podcast at once it's shocking how [TS]

  this you have to to podcasts amazing [TS]

  alright well I say we didn't do Star [TS]

  Wars at all and we will do it at a later [TS]

  time we was great [TS]

  surface barely Oh up i guess we're gonna [TS]

  have to do a whole series of Star Wars [TS]

  podcast i got a name for it by the way [TS]

  I'm being comparable vs George Lucas all [TS]

  right well it could be a special [TS]

  spin-off oh yes like Judge John Hodgman [TS]

  it'll be sitting in sitting in repose [TS]

  will be judges Dan Morgan and John [TS]

  siracusa and then we'll or perhaps I [TS]

  could be the judge and you guys can be [TS]

  for the prosecution and the defense will [TS]

  have nobody because there's nobody [TS]

  George Lucas you can depend on locust on [TS]

  is available Your Honor the defense is [TS]

  clearly a cgi creek clearly alright well [TS]

  until next time thanks to my guess again [TS]

  thanks to you the listeners for [TS]

  listening to this crazy podcast go out [TS]

  and see tron legacy which is out [TS]

  well let's see crap when that when is it [TS]

  out the 17 number 17 right go out and [TS]

  see tron legacy December 17 I give it up [TS]

  thumbs up of a sort 3054 6305 palms up [TS]

  how many Skyy exactly right my fuzzy got [TS]

  see it it's fine your geeky people [TS]

  listening to this podcast coast if you [TS]

  listen to the end you gotta go see tron [TS]

  legacy that's your punishment until next [TS]

  time for everybody at the uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks for listening [TS]

  see you later [TS]

  this has been the incomparable podcast [TS]

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