The Incomparable

299: Stark Differences


00:00:00   the uncomfortable number 299 may 2016 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   uncomfortable this is a special episode [TS]

00:00:14   where we had despite a popular thought [TS]

00:00:17   that we like watch every new release and [TS]

00:00:20   then immediately podcast about it [TS]

00:00:21   actually only happens maybe once or [TS]

00:00:22   twice a year [TS]

00:00:23   this is one of those episodes a bunch of [TS]

00:00:25   us went and saw captain america colon [TS]

00:00:28   Civil War recently and because it came [TS]

00:00:31   out a couple of days ago unless you're [TS]

00:00:33   in the UK in which case I don't even [TS]

00:00:34   know if one of our guests gonna even [TS]

00:00:35   remember what happened because it came [TS]

00:00:37   out last week so we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:39   about civil war and let me introduce our [TS]

00:00:41   guests i'm gonna start with james [TS]

00:00:43   thompson because he is in Scotland and [TS]

00:00:45   therefore saw this like more than a week [TS]

00:00:47   ago and has been lording it over us the [TS]

00:00:49   whole time [TS]

00:00:49   hi James well thank you Jason's now I [TS]

00:00:53   know you know a lot of super people so [TS]

00:00:55   thanks for thinking of me and you know I [TS]

00:00:59   knew it was you or tony stank I David [TS]

00:01:02   jail or is in Indiana and so he aside [TS]

00:01:05   more or less one with the rest of us did [TS]

00:01:06   I David hi you guys are awesome [TS]

00:01:09   uh boise st on is in texas and i believe [TS]

00:01:13   Texas is still on in the u.s. so I think [TS]

00:01:16   he saw us all screaming so you saw [TS]

00:01:19   probably but uh earlier this week is [TS]

00:01:21   that right yeah i saw press ground I'm [TS]

00:01:23   sorry Jason I lost track i was talking [TS]

00:01:25   to your heart and over here [TS]

00:01:26   mm and what were we talking about she is [TS]

00:01:29   big with the Utes on anyway [TS]

00:01:33   Lisa Schmeisser like me in California [TS]

00:01:36   saw it very recently hi Lisa [TS]

00:01:39   hi there it's a pleasure to be here and [TS]

00:01:41   I I'm not sure is the movie come out in [TS]

00:01:43   canada yet [TS]

00:01:44   Erica enzyme yeah we saw it on thursday [TS]

00:01:47   and when you say we do you mean your [TS]

00:01:49   husband Stephen Japan ski assault with [TS]

00:01:51   you I let him speak for himself [TS]

00:01:53   I did see it with the thanks that if we [TS]

00:01:55   if we didn't have justin trudeau in the [TS]

00:01:57   and as prime minister now we probably [TS]

00:01:59   wouldn't have gotten as early as we did [TS]

00:02:01   now but now that the US Canada relations [TS]

00:02:03   I said her now [TS]

00:02:04   yeah now that the war's over taxpayers [TS]

00:02:07   justin trudeau isn't already a part of [TS]

00:02:09   the event any war involving Canada is a [TS]

00:02:12   civil war [TS]

00:02:13   oh the most civil it ends with one story [TS]

00:02:18   paper so civil war you know [TS]

00:02:21   Marvel it we will we do when we get our [TS]

00:02:23   age of Ultron episode last summer I i [TS]

00:02:25   think there was a conversation that we [TS]

00:02:26   had that I keep coming back to which is [TS]

00:02:28   that these aren't you know these are [TS]

00:02:30   movies as we think of movies in that [TS]

00:02:32   they're not stand alone movies they are [TS]

00:02:33   they are part of this ongoing story line [TS]

00:02:36   i think this is a movie that is not [TS]

00:02:39   something that can be deeply appreciated [TS]

00:02:40   if you either whole lot of levels here [TS]

00:02:44   that you really need to have seen all [TS]

00:02:46   the other Marvel movies released many of [TS]

00:02:47   the other Marvel movies to get it and I [TS]

00:02:50   i think what's great about that is that [TS]

00:02:53   if you go in with that level of [TS]

00:02:55   knowledge sort of like a long-running TV [TS]

00:02:56   show then you can get a whole lot more [TS]

00:02:58   out of it so I thought maybe we would [TS]

00:03:00   start there [TS]

00:03:02   I you know everybody's thoughts about [TS]

00:03:04   this this this movie as an installment [TS]

00:03:07   in a series and and how that you know [TS]

00:03:10   how that played off of of your over your [TS]

00:03:12   reaction to it how did your reaction fit [TS]

00:03:14   in in terms of it being not a standalone [TS]

00:03:17   movie as an actor would always remind us [TS]

00:03:19   doesn't stand alone [TS]

00:03:20   really i think but it is definitely part [TS]

00:03:23   of the storyline that they've been [TS]

00:03:25   building for so many movies now that [TS]

00:03:27   makes so much money it's kind of amusing [TS]

00:03:29   that the further they into the Marvel [TS]

00:03:31   vs. the more the movie feel like comics [TS]

00:03:32   where you have to where you have to have [TS]

00:03:36   read all the backstory to fully [TS]

00:03:37   appreciate the cameos over the [TS]

00:03:39   developments or understand why something [TS]

00:03:40   so significant especially the Atman [TS]

00:03:44   sequence for example which I enjoyed [TS]

00:03:46   greatly don't get me wrong but and it [TS]

00:03:50   provided some much-needed levity [TS]

00:03:52   however I feel like if you hadn't seen [TS]

00:03:54   the ant-man movie book is already in the [TS]

00:03:57   back of this bad acting like every guy [TS]

00:03:59   and why is he putting on this suit and [TS]

00:04:02   again that whole experience kind of [TS]

00:04:04   reminds me of the experience of reading [TS]

00:04:05   comments especially when the editors [TS]

00:04:07   used to have to put notes footnotes you [TS]

00:04:10   in the FCC issued of this is that I mean [TS]

00:04:13   why is this black guy wearing a bomber [TS]

00:04:15   jacket again [TS]

00:04:15   yeah so you know I i agree with you that [TS]

00:04:19   as the movies estimate ology gets more [TS]

00:04:22   complex appreciate you can't really [TS]

00:04:25   appreciate the standalone movies and I [TS]

00:04:27   think it's kind of funny that these huge [TS]

00:04:28   traumatic experiences are becoming more [TS]

00:04:30   and more like the experience of reading [TS]

00:04:31   comic books in the nineteen eighties [TS]

00:04:32   where you have to put in the time in the [TS]

00:04:34   knowledge just 200 this is why it's a [TS]

00:04:37   big deal for or expected but you get you [TS]

00:04:40   know you get some richness out of having [TS]

00:04:42   it but you do have to have that [TS]

00:04:43   experience [TS]

00:04:44   yeah do i schooled outlet in the theater [TS]

00:04:46   when when are we actually talked about [TS]

00:04:48   what happened in the movies yes yes this [TS]

00:04:50   would this is I will say it now i also [TS]

00:04:52   thank you Lisa for prompting me [TS]

00:04:53   hey this is the time we're going to fire [TS]

00:04:55   off the spoiler horn this movies in [TS]

00:04:57   theaters as we record this go see it and [TS]

00:04:59   if you are haven't seen it yet don't [TS]

00:05:01   listen to this yet [TS]

00:05:06   okay I feel better the spoiler warning [TS]

00:05:08   has encouraged us to continue because I [TS]

00:05:10   actually kind of school that level of [TS]

00:05:12   theater when um when Scott line hits the [TS]

00:05:15   suit and then goes up to 50 feet [TS]

00:05:16   yeah and it was kind of exciting to to [TS]

00:05:22   watch that to talk to watch it go from [TS]

00:05:24   both small to big that way and you [TS]

00:05:26   didn't have to watch read the comics to [TS]

00:05:28   get as excited about that but I still [TS]

00:05:30   feel like there was a tiny bit of of [TS]

00:05:32   layer word it did kind of helped me [TS]

00:05:34   recover from you know the city of [TS]

00:05:35   directions to the III actually I had the [TS]

00:05:37   Giant Man Thing spoiled for me like a [TS]

00:05:39   million people by I know lego set or [TS]

00:05:41   something or another like that yeah [TS]

00:05:43   oh sorry like a confirmation from Steve [TS]

00:05:45   Inskeep yeah he's right i can get for a [TS]

00:05:48   mix this happened [TS]

00:05:49   ok i ended up actually kind of [TS]

00:05:51   forgetting about it and even even [TS]

00:05:53   knowing and management and the Avengers [TS]

00:05:56   and all this stuff as well as I do [TS]

00:05:57   even as Scotland's is saying you know [TS]

00:06:00   only tried this once and nearly tore me [TS]

00:06:01   in half and I can only do it for a few [TS]

00:06:03   minutes i'm still think you want to see [TS]

00:06:05   allow oh snap oh ok alright the movie [TS]

00:06:09   had me to that extent that I'd forgotten [TS]

00:06:12   about some of the stuff that I that I've [TS]

00:06:13   known you know for like a year and a [TS]

00:06:15   half yeah say yeah it's it's a it's a [TS]

00:06:17   great moment I was so one of things that [TS]

00:06:21   i think is one of the strongest scenes [TS]

00:06:23   in the movie but i also think it only [TS]

00:06:24   well I can see it only works because i [TS]

00:06:27   feel it is so much better because of the [TS]

00:06:30   other movies that we've seen with a [TS]

00:06:33   specifically with tony stark and Steve [TS]

00:06:35   Rogers is their conversation at the [TS]

00:06:37   conference room table fairly early on [TS]

00:06:39   right where they're where they're [TS]

00:06:41   initially debating this idea of the [TS]

00:06:43   psycho via chords and how they're going [TS]

00:06:45   to regulate super-powered people and [TS]

00:06:49   it's you know it's not a bad [TS]

00:06:51   conversation on its face but if you've [TS]

00:06:55   seen the captain america movie the Iron [TS]

00:06:57   Man movies in the Avengers movies I feel [TS]

00:06:59   like that scene is so much more a deep [TS]

00:07:03   and interesting and I felt like that was [TS]

00:07:06   the moment where I thought okay I see [TS]

00:07:07   why this is a different kind of movie [TS]

00:07:10   storytelling and why they are getting [TS]

00:07:13   like this is the power of having stacked [TS]

00:07:15   all these stories together is you can do [TS]

00:07:16   a scene like that and you know who these [TS]

00:07:18   guys are it [TS]

00:07:19   it's the pinnacle it's the pinnacle of a [TS]

00:07:21   series of Avengers scenes that take [TS]

00:07:23   place around a conference room today yes [TS]

00:07:24   and there are many James now I was just [TS]

00:07:27   going to say I mean this is like the [TS]

00:07:28   13th movie i think and and then moving [TS]

00:07:32   to three movies a year as of 2017 who [TS]

00:07:36   and it's just gonna get harder and [TS]

00:07:37   harder i think to keep on top of the [TS]

00:07:39   list of yeah it's really more like Game [TS]

00:07:41   of Thrones you said the least Game of [TS]

00:07:42   Thrones has the decency to kill [TS]

00:07:44   characters are off and there's just one [TS]

00:07:47   more on and they did kill off the lowest [TS]

00:07:49   docks and that's I do i do want these [TS]

00:07:51   are fun compared the game of thrones [TS]

00:07:54   well I don't want to make this a game of [TS]

00:07:55   thrones podcast I've got that later too [TS]

00:07:58   I'm not what i would say is uh keep [TS]

00:08:01   let's keep in mind a lot of these actors [TS]

00:08:03   are their contracts run out after the [TS]

00:08:05   next to Avengers movies and so I feel [TS]

00:08:08   like what we are seeing is we need to [TS]

00:08:09   introduce characters now because these [TS]

00:08:11   are ones who are going to be around [TS]

00:08:13   after the first wave of characters leave [TS]

00:08:16   us because their contracts are up so [TS]

00:08:18   that does feel a little bit like you've [TS]

00:08:19   gotta I've gotta introduce these new [TS]

00:08:21   characters so you can have something [TS]

00:08:24   left after you know after Robert Downey [TS]

00:08:26   jr. and chris evans say I'm done goodbye [TS]

00:08:28   i'm going to count my money and let's [TS]

00:08:29   introduce cactus look 13 so that we can [TS]

00:08:32   keep going for that you find cheap to a [TS]

00:08:35   rookie interior deal [TS]

00:08:36   yeah I really like the casting for [TS]

00:08:38   spider-man that like I'm I it was it's [TS]

00:08:40   the first cinematic spider-man I've seen [TS]

00:08:42   was like yeah I can possibly believe [TS]

00:08:43   this is this is a gated this is a kid in [TS]

00:08:45   New York as opposed to this is a [TS]

00:08:47   remarkably mature looking at high school [TS]

00:08:50   it happens to their study resemblance [TS]

00:08:52   intended or he also sounds like he's [TS]

00:08:54   from Queens to that's the first time [TS]

00:08:56   they've done that [TS]

00:08:57   yea even these American accent sounds a [TS]

00:08:59   hell of a lot better than a lot of exes [TS]

00:09:01   tablished grown English actors doing [TS]

00:09:04   American accents so good for him and one [TS]

00:09:07   of the things that I really liked here [TS]

00:09:09   is is you have the consistency of the [TS]

00:09:11   same screenwriters through all of the [TS]

00:09:13   captain america movies and so II even [TS]

00:09:17   more so than just having all of the [TS]

00:09:18   Marvel movies coalescing here you've got [TS]

00:09:21   this theme of of cap learning to work [TS]

00:09:24   with a team through all the movies right [TS]

00:09:26   in the first one he's got the Howling [TS]

00:09:28   Commandos and in the first one he yearns [TS]

00:09:31   to be part of the army [TS]

00:09:32   it that's his whole thing is he wants to [TS]

00:09:34   be in the army in the second one now [TS]

00:09:36   he's he's learned to work with shield [TS]

00:09:38   and everybody in the in present-day and [TS]

00:09:41   now in this one you have the team kind [TS]

00:09:42   of breaking up and and but he still [TS]

00:09:44   needs people he still needs that team [TS]

00:09:46   but now it's that warring instinct [TS]

00:09:50   between his current team and his old [TS]

00:09:52   team scores Bucky was in the Howling [TS]

00:09:54   Commandos so it's it's this really nice [TS]

00:09:57   theme there's a there's a there's a [TS]

00:09:59   reason this is a captain america movie [TS]

00:10:00   and not an event yes it's also the logic [TS]

00:10:03   follow-on to the winter soldier movie [TS]

00:10:05   and in a way that the Avengers although [TS]

00:10:07   the event events of the Avengers are she [TS]

00:10:09   warned in here as far as an example of [TS]

00:10:10   why they need to regulate you know it [TS]

00:10:14   it's it's really a fall on from the [TS]

00:10:16   paranoia of of winter soldier and how [TS]

00:10:19   how Steve learns that he kinda can't [TS]

00:10:22   trust the people who have been put in [TS]

00:10:24   charge and that that is what drives him [TS]

00:10:26   in this movie and so it even though it [TS]

00:10:29   does feel like an avengers movie and [TS]

00:10:30   many many points I i can see why this is [TS]

00:10:33   a logical third captain america movie [TS]

00:10:36   and cic are slightly differently because [TS]

00:10:39   in the first movie it's steve learning [TS]

00:10:41   to trust himself especially after he's [TS]

00:10:43   been zapped with the vinery and in arm [TS]

00:10:46   and the roots for the distress with [TS]

00:10:49   shield in the winter soldier actually go [TS]

00:10:50   back to the Avengers when he discovers [TS]

00:10:52   that he's been lying to their developing [TS]

00:10:54   the weapons and I saw that the trust [TS]

00:10:56   issue Steve Rogers works out in winter [TS]

00:10:58   soldier is who can he trust in the [TS]

00:11:01   answer is is that he's good [TS]

00:11:02   is that he's got black widow and he's [TS]

00:11:05   got from Sam and to his shock [TS]

00:11:08   there's the question of does he choose [TS]

00:11:10   to trust Bucky and so yeah he puts his [TS]

00:11:12   faith in in Bucky at the very end of the [TS]

00:11:13   movie and in this one [TS]

00:11:16   the answer is Steve chooses to trust [TS]

00:11:18   people overall people in human nature / [TS]

00:11:20   institutions so I saw that is kind of [TS]

00:11:22   the arc where it's sort of the evolution [TS]

00:11:23   of whose team chooses to trust and why [TS]

00:11:26   he chooses to trust them and then they [TS]

00:11:28   like laying right out for you and that [TS]

00:11:29   letter to Tony Stark in the final in the [TS]

00:11:31   final sequence where he's like I don't [TS]

00:11:33   trust institutions I choose to put my [TS]

00:11:35   faith in people and the fact that he [TS]

00:11:37   gives Tony both the letter where he [TS]

00:11:39   apologizes and explains himself and then [TS]

00:11:41   give him the phone with you can call me [TS]

00:11:43   if you need me [TS]

00:11:44   is him extending an olive branch and I [TS]

00:11:46   liked how that mirrored Tony's attempt [TS]

00:11:48   to to explain his side of things and [TS]

00:11:50   extend the olive branch to Steve in a [TS]

00:11:52   way that he thought Steve would would [TS]

00:11:54   want with that historic pen signing like [TS]

00:11:56   that scene with the two of them earlier [TS]

00:11:58   return it's like it's an easy can get [TS]

00:12:00   the words out that it's an olive branch [TS]

00:12:01   he just shoves the pen over and tries to [TS]

00:12:03   explain himself [TS]

00:12:04   I thought that was like the most nuanced [TS]

00:12:06   seen in their history together [TS]

00:12:07   yes so yeah yeah so I really like the [TS]

00:12:10   way it's mirrored and reversed in the [TS]

00:12:12   end one seems like look I choose to [TS]

00:12:14   trust people and even though you are [TS]

00:12:16   somehow and on this weird government [TS]

00:12:18   prison thing and I'm and all that I [TS]

00:12:21   trust you to come through and do the [TS]

00:12:23   right thing in the end and here's my [TS]

00:12:24   santa fe and that's a trust that that [TS]

00:12:26   Tony and weirdly enough i'm sorry i [TS]

00:12:29   sleeping on it sort of parallels that [TS]

00:12:31   I'm seeing an iron man 2i think it is [TS]

00:12:34   where Tony's watching old footage of his [TS]

00:12:36   dad and his dad finally turns the camera [TS]

00:12:38   and says Tony I'm doing this for you [TS]

00:12:40   I'm trusting you with my life's work [TS]

00:12:41   this is what we're doing and once again [TS]

00:12:43   it's it's somebody who Tony wanted to [TS]

00:12:46   earn trust and affection from who [TS]

00:12:47   finally gives it to him like kind of a [TS]

00:12:49   distance but the point is he gets it [TS]

00:12:51   I completely agree that the only thing [TS]

00:12:53   that I'd have to add is I like that in [TS]

00:12:55   in maintaining Steve's are we get [TS]

00:12:57   touches like toward the end of Civil War [TS]

00:12:59   Steve saying I could do this all day [TS]

00:13:02   going all the way back to the beginning [TS]

00:13:05   the first movie and and I feel like well [TS]

00:13:07   too lowly exactly exactly and what we [TS]

00:13:11   get overall in terms of his arc where we [TS]

00:13:13   leave him at the end of this movie is [TS]

00:13:15   for me the fully formed captain america [TS]

00:13:18   that i know that you know I consider [TS]

00:13:19   this is this is your this is this is the [TS]

00:13:22   the the the the final form of Captain [TS]

00:13:26   America as it were [TS]

00:13:27   this is this is the captain america that [TS]

00:13:28   we're going to get from here on as a [TS]

00:13:30   constant and and I'm totally okay with [TS]

00:13:33   us not getting a whole ton of you know [TS]

00:13:35   developing Steve Rogers more and more [TS]

00:13:37   and more going forward and letting him [TS]

00:13:39   be a constant that we build other [TS]

00:13:42   characters around it and I thought the [TS]

00:13:44   movie was a little tight on the heavy on [TS]

00:13:46   the Christ imagery at times because you [TS]

00:13:48   could well it did because that's know [TS]

00:13:50   that scene where he goes and grabs the [TS]

00:13:51   helicopter and you get the beauty shot [TS]

00:13:53   of his arms like tell me that's not [TS]

00:13:55   crucifixion venturi and [TS]

00:13:57   then you know he calls people he calls [TS]

00:13:59   people to him more or less and extend [TS]

00:14:02   mercy to people who don't deserve it [TS]

00:14:03   like Wanda and then he's forgiving [TS]

00:14:05   people over and over again and he's [TS]

00:14:08   sacrificing himself for Bucky and I was [TS]

00:14:11   like wow you really like the only other [TS]

00:14:14   superhero that you that I've seen this [TS]

00:14:16   much explicit cry symmetry with is for [TS]

00:14:19   men one and Sharon Carter brings them [TS]

00:14:21   all of his stuff and sings everything's [TS]

00:14:23   alright everything's fine musical [TS]

00:14:26   theater now no musical theater is [TS]

00:14:27   everything I was just going to me that [TS]

00:14:29   was in the movie I would I would I would [TS]

00:14:31   put it to the panel that was in the most [TS]

00:14:32   so the uh I think I I think talking [TS]

00:14:36   about Superman is a parallel is [TS]

00:14:37   interesting we're not gonna talk about [TS]

00:14:39   Batman vs Superman but i do think that [TS]

00:14:41   captain america has the same challenges [TS]

00:14:43   a character that Superman has which is [TS]

00:14:45   in many ways and and in many search [TS]

00:14:48   traditional portrayals they are perfect [TS]

00:14:50   and smiley and everybody loves them and [TS]

00:14:52   they're all about goodness and evil they [TS]

00:14:54   treat choose goodness at all times and [TS]

00:14:56   it's hard i think to draw some [TS]

00:14:59   interesting distinctions at in a [TS]

00:15:00   character like that and I i am impressed [TS]

00:15:02   with how they've handled it with steve [TS]

00:15:05   rogers in the Marvel movies where he's a [TS]

00:15:06   much more interesting character than I [TS]

00:15:08   think I expected him to be when when [TS]

00:15:11   they made the first captain america [TS]

00:15:12   movie which i thought would be kind of [TS]

00:15:14   boring and actually turned out to be [TS]

00:15:15   pretty good and it's I I you know I [TS]

00:15:17   credit chris evans and credit to the [TS]

00:15:19   writers and and the producers of these [TS]

00:15:20   movies that he's interesting because he [TS]

00:15:23   is and that's not that's not a given and [TS]

00:15:26   that's not easy i think captain america [TS]

00:15:28   actually is probably my the one thing [TS]

00:15:30   that I didn't like about this movie ever [TS]

00:15:32   what runs through it and I and this is [TS]

00:15:35   and i like the first to captain [TS]

00:15:36   Americans I think they're probably my [TS]

00:15:38   favorite of all the Avengers movies [TS]

00:15:39   yeah i agree what i did i just find that [TS]

00:15:41   you know that the the way that Marvel [TS]

00:15:43   sort of like you know leaking in [TS]

00:15:44   real-world events into their marvel [TS]

00:15:47   universe and and this what this movie [TS]

00:15:50   said to me is that basically America in [TS]

00:15:53   the form of Captain America goes it [TS]

00:15:55   alone because they think they know [TS]

00:15:56   what's best and the whole time I'm [TS]

00:15:58   thinking what captain america is [TS]

00:16:00   actually wrong on this one you know hehe [TS]

00:16:02   is he's breaking up the team he's [TS]

00:16:04   causing a lot more damage anything's and [TS]

00:16:06   at the very end he basically says [TS]

00:16:08   hey I'm still cool though you know we [TS]

00:16:10   can all still be friends and everything [TS]

00:16:11   and it's almost like that's kind of like [TS]

00:16:13   what America Tizen foreign policy this [TS]

00:16:15   might be why Canadians need it is [TS]

00:16:16   Captain America come on he is Captain [TS]

00:16:19   America you know [TS]

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00:18:54   two sides here and there takes on this [TS]

00:18:56   and I I will also say the real world [TS]

00:18:58   like this even said the real world [TS]

00:18:59   bleeding in I think beyond a certain [TS]

00:19:01   point it's dangerous to get to reel with [TS]

00:19:04   these movies because I I think I'll what [TS]

00:19:08   they've done is sort of gotten slightly [TS]

00:19:09   real with it and if they took it to the [TS]

00:19:11   full extent it would kind of make no [TS]

00:19:13   sense because you would really need laws [TS]

00:19:15   and things and structures to control [TS]

00:19:16   superheroes and for quite frankly that [TS]

00:19:18   point you're not watching Marvel Super [TS]

00:19:20   Heroes anymore you're watching kind of [TS]

00:19:21   militarized powered people and that's a [TS]

00:19:24   very different kind of story so that [TS]

00:19:25   they're doing a light touch on it [TS]

00:19:27   so what we get is this real split [TS]

00:19:30   between the idea that the superpower [TS]

00:19:32   people should sort of do what they want [TS]

00:19:34   because they know what was was right [TS]

00:19:36   which I agree with stephen that's a [TS]

00:19:38   little sinister right because it is [TS]

00:19:39   essentially saying we know what's best [TS]

00:19:41   where the most powerful creatures on [TS]

00:19:42   earth and we're going to be in charge of [TS]

00:19:43   what we do and then you've got the other [TS]

00:19:45   side which is which is tony and the [TS]

00:19:47   government and and the guy from from [TS]

00:19:51   that movie that the incredible hulk [TS]

00:19:53   movie that nobody saw grass be a general [TS]

00:19:57   Ross who is now Secretary Rice saying [TS]

00:20:00   will trust the people in the government [TS]

00:20:01   which is also kind of hilarious given [TS]

00:20:04   that the the last shadowy international [TS]

00:20:06   consortium that ran superheroes tried to [TS]

00:20:09   New York City I that but no no totally [TS]

00:20:13   and then Hydra was inside shield but no [TS]

00:20:15   no this time for sure we're going to be [TS]

00:20:16   fine so we should structure that way i [TS]

00:20:18   don't think the either of them are great [TS]

00:20:20   choices but it is interesting [TS]

00:20:21   those are the choices and that it's a [TS]

00:20:23   switcheroo in that Steve mr. uh I'm [TS]

00:20:26   representing the the establishment is [TS]

00:20:29   the rebel here and Tony cuz he's racked [TS]

00:20:31   by guilt I guess as decided that it's [TS]

00:20:35   time to for him to grow up and be part [TS]

00:20:37   of the the system so that what would [TS]

00:20:39   what did y'all think of the that core [TS]

00:20:41   the core battle between the registration [TS]

00:20:44   side and the we're gonna go at our own [TS]

00:20:46   wayside one of the things I thought was [TS]

00:20:48   interesting that the [TS]

00:20:49   lost from the original comics was the [TS]

00:20:51   whole stuff about giving up your secret [TS]

00:20:55   identity which was one of the reasons i [TS]

00:20:57   think captain america was against it for [TS]

00:20:58   all civil liberties aspect of that and [TS]

00:21:02   there's the big moment where spider-man [TS]

00:21:04   you know reveals his identity on [TS]

00:21:06   national TV and I think once they took [TS]

00:21:09   that away [TS]

00:21:09   I was kind of I don't know I was very [TS]

00:21:13   much on Captain America side for most of [TS]

00:21:15   the movie and I thought Tony Stark was [TS]

00:21:17   being an ass for most of the phone pit [TS]

00:21:20   and and well that's just normal trip [TS]

00:21:24   yeah yeah but no more so because I mean [TS]

00:21:27   I I generally have you know i like him [TS]

00:21:30   in all the other movies and in this [TS]

00:21:31   movie I didn't really like him and a lot [TS]

00:21:34   of the decisions he made throughout the [TS]

00:21:35   movie i was just complaining about [TS]

00:21:39   so yeah I mean that it was it was an [TS]

00:21:43   interesting way that they are kind of [TS]

00:21:45   because people also took different sides [TS]

00:21:48   in this than they did in the comics [TS]

00:21:49   because vision and to challenge were on [TS]

00:21:51   Steve Rogers side and the comic and [TS]

00:21:54   things like that so i don't know if they [TS]

00:21:56   just wanted to get it exactly balanced [TS]

00:21:58   yeah i think they did was six on each [TS]

00:22:00   side and you know one woman on each side [TS]

00:22:03   just be careful please [TS]

00:22:06   I was interesting to see how they broke [TS]

00:22:08   down who was on which side because it [TS]

00:22:10   and I was thinking about this yesterday [TS]

00:22:12   when one because I was trying to puzzle [TS]

00:22:14   i would have something and I thought [TS]

00:22:16   well it actually what it comes down to [TS]

00:22:19   is it's a belief instead it is a belief [TS]

00:22:23   in chaotic good versus lawful good if [TS]

00:22:26   that makes sense [TS]

00:22:27   well it is because if you look at who's [TS]

00:22:29   on Tony side you have someone like [TS]

00:22:31   vision who seems to be somebody who's [TS]

00:22:35   like yeah look we have to uphold the [TS]

00:22:36   principle of the matter the principal is [TS]

00:22:38   something that always applies no matter [TS]

00:22:39   the circumstances and you have Natasha [TS]

00:22:42   who in Avengers like I have a lot of red [TS]

00:22:45   in my ledger and you know because these [TS]

00:22:48   movies none of these movies are are [TS]

00:22:49   called Black Widow works out her issues [TS]

00:22:51   we don't get a whole lot of Natasha and [TS]

00:22:54   her ledger balancing but that was a core [TS]

00:22:56   part of her character introduced and I [TS]

00:22:58   figured this was more of her [TS]

00:22:59   balancing especially since she watched [TS]

00:23:01   came to chocolate I like right in front [TS]

00:23:03   of her and you have to challenge was [TS]

00:23:06   like look any side of the winner [TS]

00:23:07   soldiers on I'm gonna be exactly the [TS]

00:23:08   opposite side also you know I come from [TS]

00:23:11   a company country that has these really [TS]

00:23:12   strict codes and on the other side you [TS]

00:23:16   have Hawkeye who is pretty much the [TS]

00:23:17   definition of conditional morality and [TS]

00:23:20   you know Scott Lang who was established [TS]

00:23:22   in his own movie is having a moral code [TS]

00:23:23   that's pretty situation which is I'm [TS]

00:23:25   gonna I'm gonna stand up for what i [TS]

00:23:27   think is right even if it costs me you [TS]

00:23:29   know and then you have Steve who's all [TS]

00:23:32   know some principles are worth fighting [TS]

00:23:34   for even if they go against what society [TS]

00:23:35   doesn't the time so it comes down to [TS]

00:23:38   people who are much more comfortable [TS]

00:23:39   with their own definition of morality [TS]

00:23:40   versus those for like listen we live in [TS]

00:23:42   a society societies have rules is well [TS]

00:23:45   in Black Widow during the run of the [TS]

00:23:47   movie I thought really like I get that [TS]

00:23:49   she's got this like I'm a reformed bad [TS]

00:23:51   guy essentially and so i'm i'm sort of [TS]

00:23:54   trying to be good so I'm trying to stick [TS]

00:23:55   with the program but i thought yeah but [TS]

00:23:57   did you not see that the the winter [TS]

00:24:00   soldier movie you're totally like hey [TS]

00:24:03   did you not learn anything from the [TS]

00:24:04   movie you were in and uh and then [TS]

00:24:06   there's the moment and then I realized [TS]

00:24:08   oh well that that's why it's like that [TS]

00:24:10   is so that she has that moment where she [TS]

00:24:12   lets them go because she actually is you [TS]

00:24:15   know she's going along but only so far [TS]

00:24:18   which is which is interesting that that [TS]

00:24:20   is something that a lot of the people [TS]

00:24:22   who are with Tony Stark honest and a [TS]

00:24:24   black panther fits into this to our kind [TS]

00:24:26   of not in it for his reasons and are not [TS]

00:24:30   really is committed to it [TS]

00:24:32   they're just kind of going along also [TS]

00:24:34   the reason i love that spider-man is so [TS]

00:24:36   young is holy crap Tony child soldiers [TS]

00:24:38   really like that and that's something [TS]

00:24:41   that should be brought up [TS]

00:24:42   um and I think it it has come up in the [TS]

00:24:45   comments from time to time to when you [TS]

00:24:46   have somebody who's genuinely pretty [TS]

00:24:47   young but you have to look this way Tony [TS]

00:24:50   Stark had to make his case by leaning on [TS]

00:24:51   his best friend by appealing to the [TS]

00:24:54   black widows whole i would just like the [TS]

00:24:55   group to stay together [TS]

00:24:56   does it really matter how they get there [TS]

00:24:58   because that's the question she asked [TS]

00:24:59   earlier i'm somebody with like a revenge [TS]

00:25:01   thing going on somebody who has quit [TS]

00:25:04   with this is often the clouds because [TS]

00:25:06   made of gems and hand waving and home [TS]

00:25:09   and a child whom he addresses and throws [TS]

00:25:12   technology [TS]

00:25:12   jet and i'm not saying that his site is [TS]

00:25:17   wrong because i can actually see a lot [TS]

00:25:19   of Tony's arguments but i do think it's [TS]

00:25:23   interesting how his life was recruited [TS]

00:25:24   as opposed to captain america where you [TS]

00:25:26   know you never were like well this is [TS]

00:25:29   dumb and terrible and it's gonna end [TS]

00:25:30   badly but what the heck we lost he [TS]

00:25:32   really seemed like it was a cult of [TS]

00:25:35   personality on his side like they were [TS]

00:25:37   all just like yep well we'll follow him [TS]

00:25:38   wherever he goes and and yeah I guess I [TS]

00:25:41   had a little trouble just I i love the [TS]

00:25:44   moral dilemma that the movie poses but I [TS]

00:25:46   didn't quite buy like he said everybody [TS]

00:25:50   on either side of it was almost like [TS]

00:25:51   they just rolled dice and was like okay [TS]

00:25:52   we're gonna put you over here and over [TS]

00:25:53   there because that's going to make the [TS]

00:25:54   poster look really good [TS]

00:25:56   if I had I mean if they had kept the [TS]

00:25:58   thing and I'd never read the comics so I [TS]

00:26:00   didn't know about the forcing people to [TS]

00:26:02   reveal their secret identities [TS]

00:26:03   I feel like that would have made it so [TS]

00:26:05   much easier for me to buy in to the the [TS]

00:26:08   idea that captain america was was more [TS]

00:26:11   sort of on the right side but I do kind [TS]

00:26:13   of appreciate that the movie it's it's [TS]

00:26:16   from his perspective it's got his name [TS]

00:26:18   in the title but I don't think it came [TS]

00:26:20   down super strongly on either side of [TS]

00:26:22   the argument I think there are a lot of [TS]

00:26:23   people that came out of the movie saying [TS]

00:26:26   steve is a complete dick and he was [TS]

00:26:28   wrong about this and and you know i'm [TS]

00:26:31   not going to say either of those any of [TS]

00:26:33   those people are wrong i just found his [TS]

00:26:34   scenes mostly really boring because i [TS]

00:26:36   did not care about Bucky I didn't care [TS]

00:26:38   about his friendship with Bucky I wished [TS]

00:26:40   it had been more like an avengers movie [TS]

00:26:41   because I just wanted to see people you [TS]

00:26:43   know clipping and bouncing off of each [TS]

00:26:45   other [TS]

00:26:45   I just ended up getting kind of bored [TS]

00:26:47   with the the moral conceit at the middle [TS]

00:26:48   of the movie how you feel about Bucky [TS]

00:26:51   also is going to inform how you feel [TS]

00:26:53   about Steve's stand here because in the [TS]

00:26:55   end I i would argue that Steve while [TS]

00:26:58   principled and he says in that [TS]

00:27:00   conference room scene with Tony early on [TS]

00:27:02   he needs its really he's doing it for [TS]

00:27:05   his friend and he knows that his friend [TS]

00:27:07   or he feels certain that his friend is [TS]

00:27:09   wrongfully accused and he knows there's [TS]

00:27:11   gonna be a rush to judgment and he's [TS]

00:27:12   probably going to get killed and so on [TS]

00:27:15   one level he's got principles on another [TS]

00:27:17   level he's just reacting to this what [TS]

00:27:20   turns out to be a real set up from from [TS]

00:27:23   Zemo who has has framed him in order to [TS]

00:27:25   create this this and we'll get 20 mo [TS]

00:27:27   there's not a lot to say about him he [TS]

00:27:29   sort of not many there for any reason [TS]

00:27:32   but other than to start the ball rolling [TS]

00:27:34   in to stop the ball rolling at the end [TS]

00:27:36   so but but i do feel like you know one [TS]

00:27:39   of these things is that it's really all [TS]

00:27:40   hanging on Steve's relationship with [TS]

00:27:42   lucky because you know the ultimately [TS]

00:27:44   that's why he's doing this is to save [TS]

00:27:46   him whose roots a person is innocent of [TS]

00:27:48   this one particular crime and wrongfully [TS]

00:27:51   accused you can't deny the loads of [TS]

00:27:54   people who just want to see those two [TS]

00:27:55   beautiful boys kiss [TS]

00:27:56   I'm glad you said it so I didn't have to [TS]

00:28:00   that's the thing about the teams though [TS]

00:28:02   is that you know when you look at Tony's [TS]

00:28:04   side it's all these people he's sort of [TS]

00:28:06   recruited or that you know like with [TS]

00:28:08   Brody best friends right or with the [TS]

00:28:11   vision that he kind of had waived into [TS]

00:28:13   existence [TS]

00:28:13   yeah the vision comes from a computer [TS]

00:28:15   program that's programmed to serve Tony [TS]

00:28:17   Stark right and although we depended now [TS]

00:28:19   you got it yeah i mean he sort of right [TS]

00:28:21   but he's so too loose and you know [TS]

00:28:23   spider-man well it's like you know you [TS]

00:28:25   guys are awesome you guys are [TS]

00:28:26   superheroes and and oh you mean is [TS]

00:28:28   really pursued right he's at shuttle [TS]

00:28:31   that's what thing on the other side you [TS]

00:28:35   have people who have come together as a [TS]

00:28:37   team [TS]

00:28:38   partly because they're defending [TS]

00:28:41   themselves they're under attack and they [TS]

00:28:43   know they're not bad people [TS]

00:28:44   I mean in this you know Bucky whatever [TS]

00:28:46   but you know you have scarlet witch who [TS]

00:28:49   wasn't meaning to do anything I mean she [TS]

00:28:52   was trying to protect that as many [TS]

00:28:54   people as possible her thing wasn't that [TS]

00:28:56   she blew up the building [TS]

00:28:58   it's that you know the guy she was [TS]

00:29:00   trying to keep from blowing up all the [TS]

00:29:02   people on the ground is really who blew [TS]

00:29:05   up the building right you know and and [TS]

00:29:08   you know and then you have Scott Lang [TS]

00:29:09   who isn't guilty of anything here until [TS]

00:29:13   they start acting but you know again [TS]

00:29:15   he's he understands he gets it right he [TS]

00:29:19   understands being persecuted and and so [TS]

00:29:21   these are these are people coming [TS]

00:29:23   together to fight for their lives [TS]

00:29:24   whereas on the other side of Tony's team [TS]

00:29:27   of people who are there to serve Tony [TS]

00:29:29   which I thought was servin interesting [TS]

00:29:31   balance but the thing with Natasha [TS]

00:29:33   turning is she has a background in [TS]

00:29:35   espionage she knows things are sometimes [TS]

00:29:37   more calm [TS]

00:29:38   located in black and white and she's [TS]

00:29:40   also been persecuted so when she makes [TS]

00:29:42   that turn and let's camp and Bucky go [TS]

00:29:45   that's when she's she sort of jumps to [TS]

00:29:47   the other side with them she gets it [TS]

00:29:49   which again I thought was an interesting [TS]

00:29:51   turn in the comics that Spiderman who [TS]

00:29:54   goes over to the other side as well [TS]

00:29:56   marine but I mean that there's a certain [TS]

00:29:59   irony in the US government being worried [TS]

00:30:02   about collateral damage from conflicts [TS]

00:30:04   ok no it's just like be you know she ok [TS]

00:30:08   so scarlet witch killed 12 people and [TS]

00:30:12   saved 600 or something [TS]

00:30:14   I'm you know nobody so well I mean cat [TS]

00:30:17   points as I you know when he's talking [TS]

00:30:20   too early in the film but yeah it's like [TS]

00:30:23   nobody so focusing on the fact that they [TS]

00:30:25   have saved you know the world multiple [TS]

00:30:29   times right the needs of the many [TS]

00:30:30   outweigh the exactly it's because she [TS]

00:30:33   killed big deal people and I hate to [TS]

00:30:36   sound cynical but there's so much [TS]

00:30:37   emphasis put on these are what condoms [TS]

00:30:40   who were killed and the idea being that [TS]

00:30:43   you know it's kind of a big deal for [TS]

00:30:44   comments to go outside their border and [TS]

00:30:46   so one of the questions that is kind of [TS]

00:30:49   percolating around is what people be [TS]

00:30:50   that worked up over it if it were you [TS]

00:30:52   know just a bunch of you know randos [TS]

00:30:55   from from Lagos what [TS]

00:30:59   well and that comes back this is one of [TS]

00:31:01   the reasons i I've heard criticism and [TS]

00:31:03   read it that the zeros is kind it is a [TS]

00:31:06   villain or whatever but I think one of [TS]

00:31:08   the reasons i really enjoyed him and [TS]

00:31:10   it's not just because I enjoyed the [TS]

00:31:11   actor but I like how it draws a really [TS]

00:31:14   clear line with this is how people [TS]

00:31:15   become radicalized like they lose [TS]

00:31:17   everything they lose everything they [TS]

00:31:19   lose their home and it's in the face of [TS]

00:31:21   seemingly different world and they take [TS]

00:31:23   a look at her like how am I going to fix [TS]

00:31:24   this and I was actually kind of thrilled [TS]

00:31:28   to be frank that they put a white face [TS]

00:31:29   to wrap a radicalization here like it's [TS]

00:31:32   just a white european dude who has [TS]

00:31:34   decided that ok this bunch of [TS]

00:31:36   super-powered beings lifted up my [TS]

00:31:39   country blew it to smithereens killed my [TS]

00:31:41   entire family [TS]

00:31:42   how do I solve this problem in his [TS]

00:31:44   answer and frankly he did succeed his [TS]

00:31:46   answers i'm just gonna have the Avengers [TS]

00:31:47   take themselves apart [TS]

00:31:48   boom and [TS]

00:31:49   story and to me the the radicalization [TS]

00:31:53   of the character and then these subtle [TS]

00:31:54   way by which he managed to get [TS]

00:31:56   everything that he wanted to get done [TS]

00:31:58   I think it's a pretty quietly powerful [TS]

00:32:00   thing which is kind of remarkable movie [TS]

00:32:03   like this which is the wiser a big and [TS]

00:32:04   dumb and loud and and I mean that in a [TS]

00:32:06   good way like you know you have a lot of [TS]

00:32:08   exploring helicopter and then you and [TS]

00:32:13   you have super soldiers living in the [TS]

00:32:14   you know sleeping in tanks inside Barry [TS]

00:32:16   and all the crazy stuff and then you [TS]

00:32:17   have a guy who the end of the day is you [TS]

00:32:19   know I just want to get to the point [TS]

00:32:20   where the Avengers couldn't work [TS]

00:32:21   together effectively as a team because [TS]

00:32:22   they can't go through another country in [TS]

00:32:24   the air and that happened he want team [TS]

00:32:26   lisa I i have a problem with the way [TS]

00:32:29   that that the movie is engineered [TS]

00:32:31   because i don't i don't buy a lot of the [TS]

00:32:33   yeah i mean the idea that uh no Scarlet [TS]

00:32:39   Witch is terrible because those people [TS]

00:32:40   died when you know [TS]

00:32:42   yeah but she was trying to save them and [TS]

00:32:44   oh well people some people died in [TS]

00:32:45   Segovia it's like yeah sorry that [TS]

00:32:47   although we save millions of people and [TS]

00:32:49   and ultimately the world some people did [TS]

00:32:52   die so I guess we're terrible people for [TS]

00:32:54   doing that I quite honestly I not that [TS]

00:32:56   couldn't happen i think realistically [TS]

00:32:58   but the fact that the characters take on [TS]

00:33:00   that guilt i thought was kind of [TS]

00:33:02   ludicrous and and i'm gonna i'm going to [TS]

00:33:04   single out here because talk about a a [TS]

00:33:06   very good actress who has made some [TS]

00:33:08   really interesting appearances in as new [TS]

00:33:11   characters in genre before especially [TS]

00:33:14   when she brings your little ships in [TS]

00:33:16   star trek first contact but the offer [TS]

00:33:18   Woodard a character here I hated it [TS]

00:33:21   because she's in one scene and all she [TS]

00:33:24   does is go shame i lost a child shame [TS]

00:33:27   which is so essentially what Zemo does [TS]

00:33:29   to which is I'm really angry because my [TS]

00:33:31   family died and so I'm going to destroy [TS]

00:33:33   you and I'm sorry I thought it was [TS]

00:33:35   stupid because and I like the movie a [TS]

00:33:37   lot but I thought all of these [TS]

00:33:39   motivations they're just there to set up [TS]

00:33:40   the action and I i just didn't buy them [TS]

00:33:42   i did i do not believe that that [TS]

00:33:45   hey Tony Stark I know you worked really [TS]

00:33:47   hard to try and save as many people as [TS]

00:33:49   possible but guess what you're not [TS]

00:33:50   perfect [TS]

00:33:51   somebody died so you're a jerk like no [TS]

00:33:53   you need to be able to say and maybe [TS]

00:33:55   they're trying to say that i didn't [TS]

00:33:56   believe for a minute that Tony Stark [TS]

00:33:58   like took that as that was the straw [TS]

00:34:00   that broke the camel's back and he's [TS]

00:34:01   like oh god you're right i just can't do [TS]

00:34:03   this any [TS]

00:34:03   or no he's like no this lady is right we [TS]

00:34:05   are terrible because some people died [TS]

00:34:07   when we save the entire world like that [TS]

00:34:09   and so so I don't blame Tony Stark for [TS]

00:34:12   that I blame the movie for that because [TS]

00:34:13   I just don't think that it it it follows [TS]

00:34:16   from there I i can i can see it is as [TS]

00:34:18   something that is like throwing gasoline [TS]

00:34:20   on already burning fire where he's just [TS]

00:34:23   come off of age of Ultron being [TS]

00:34:26   theoretically responsible for [TS]

00:34:28   potentially an extinction-level event [TS]

00:34:30   for the planet and on top of that his [TS]

00:34:33   girlfriend broke up with him [TS]

00:34:35   yeah no not enough talk about Ultron [TS]

00:34:36   actually and I thought that was that was [TS]

00:34:38   a stronger argument is I wanted that [TS]

00:34:40   fiery scene where somebody like Tony [TS]

00:34:42   says hey what I just said right [TS]

00:34:44   hey we saved almost everybody and we [TS]

00:34:46   save the entire world and had somebody [TS]

00:34:47   thrown back into space and said you [TS]

00:34:48   created the problem it's your fault that [TS]

00:34:51   it even happened and nobody said wire [TS]

00:34:54   they're not people marching in the [TS]

00:34:56   streets why is nobody marching in the [TS]

00:34:57   streets and demanding him being brought [TS]

00:34:59   in front of a war crimes trial that's [TS]

00:35:01   what I don't get that is one of the the [TS]

00:35:03   the core flaws of like the last two [TS]

00:35:05   movies is really ok now the crazy robot [TS]

00:35:08   who looked at the entire country near is [TS]

00:35:09   vanquished array and like literally [TS]

00:35:11   nobody has an okay where did the robot [TS]

00:35:13   come from [TS]

00:35:14   yeah and if they had had that marching [TS]

00:35:16   in the streets if they had had more of [TS]

00:35:18   the stress of breaking up with pepper if [TS]

00:35:20   they had all those things working on [TS]

00:35:22   Tony in in the film not in our [TS]

00:35:25   headcanons then Tony would've been a [TS]

00:35:28   little bit more coherent in this and the [TS]

00:35:31   ending would have been working here and [TS]

00:35:32   I think that this is a case where it's [TS]

00:35:35   this movie is trying to walk the line [TS]

00:35:37   between being a movie on its own and [TS]

00:35:39   being a movie that's just an installment [TS]

00:35:41   of the Marvel Cinematic Universe so I [TS]

00:35:44   think they may be tried to downplay all [TS]

00:35:46   the references to age of Ultron in hopes [TS]

00:35:48   that it wouldn't clinical confused [TS]

00:35:50   people who are coming in just seeing [TS]

00:35:52   this movie or people like me who had [TS]

00:35:53   almost entirely forgotten HL truck by [TS]

00:35:56   the time this movie started well but [TS]

00:35:57   then shouldn't be the sakova Accords [TS]

00:35:59   right I feel like that's a mistake here [TS]

00:36:00   is that you can't have like the whole [TS]

00:36:02   big giant piece of paper that nobody has [TS]

00:36:04   known about in advance but apparently [TS]

00:36:06   has been agreed to by everybody in the [TS]

00:36:07   UN by the way that would never happen [TS]

00:36:09   everybody should be aware of it all [TS]

00:36:10   but have and college the copious you're [TS]

00:36:12   hanging it right on the last avengers [TS]

00:36:14   movie and and yet so then why do we even [TS]

00:36:18   have the scene with scarlet witch like [TS]

00:36:20   you could have hung it on the scene with [TS]

00:36:21   the Scarlet Witch I suppose right you [TS]

00:36:23   were irresponsible but instead they're [TS]

00:36:24   like in like you said Erika they're [TS]

00:36:26   walking that they're trying to walk that [TS]

00:36:28   line but i don't think they do a very [TS]

00:36:29   good job even though they fell off the [TS]

00:36:32   line [TS]

00:36:32   totally it's ridiculous because the [TS]

00:36:34   Scarlet Witch if you take a look at her [TS]

00:36:36   in combat she she say it like you [TS]

00:36:38   planned she saves a ton of people on the [TS]

00:36:39   ground and logos and she stayed safe [TS]

00:36:41   sleep Rogers life and she's and she's [TS]

00:36:43   horrified mostly because i think what [TS]

00:36:46   tends to get lost here is this is a [TS]

00:36:48   young woman with fairly severe PTSD who [TS]

00:36:50   grew up in a war zone his brother has [TS]

00:36:51   been dead for less than a year in [TS]

00:36:53   another massive battle and who has been [TS]

00:36:54   thrown back out onto the field as a [TS]

00:36:56   warrior herself so you've got somebody [TS]

00:36:58   who has considerable baggage [TS]

00:37:00   she saved a teammate's life and saves a [TS]

00:37:03   ton of people and gets casted as a [TS]

00:37:04   villain in the media and then the second [TS]

00:37:06   time we see her in battle she actually [TS]

00:37:07   interferes between the Clint Black Widow [TS]

00:37:09   thing because she tells me you're [TS]

00:37:10   pulling your punches and she saves your [TS]

00:37:12   teammate there to like I get your it [TS]

00:37:15   irritated me how how she ended up being [TS]

00:37:20   the the plotlines punching bag when in [TS]

00:37:23   fact this is somebody who has his simply [TS]

00:37:24   done nothing wrong and has tried to [TS]

00:37:26   change the most she's most interesting [TS]

00:37:28   character in the whole movie and she [TS]

00:37:29   gets very little to do and she's the one [TS]

00:37:31   with the big moral flip and Ultron to [TS]

00:37:33   when she finally realized what was going [TS]

00:37:34   on she began working against it and [TS]

00:37:36   cheetah lady she's a lady we don't want [TS]

00:37:39   to put her give her too much screen time [TS]

00:37:40   she's been a Tony for her actions for [TS]

00:37:43   god knows how long this entire arc and I [TS]

00:37:45   feel like that I feel like that kind of [TS]

00:37:46   got lost Terrence that was like oh look [TS]

00:37:48   a hot topic teenager who waved her hands [TS]

00:37:50   around when that's absolutely not [TS]

00:37:51   whoo-hoo-hoo they don't want up to be [TS]

00:37:53   and part of it is you did have a movie [TS]

00:37:56   that was over stopped with tons and tons [TS]

00:37:57   of characters so you could give the same [TS]

00:38:00   time to everybody and you kind of have [TS]

00:38:01   to grab these context clues and put them [TS]

00:38:03   together with previous movies like you [TS]

00:38:05   know Black Widow and her red ledger and [TS]

00:38:07   so on and so forth but I feel like [TS]

00:38:09   scarlet witch was really poor was poorly [TS]

00:38:11   served by the by the plotting here I [TS]

00:38:14   think that she was well served in a [TS]

00:38:15   bunch of scenes in this movie though I I [TS]

00:38:17   think her scene with vision is really [TS]

00:38:20   interesting and of course if you read [TS]

00:38:21   the comics i did lean over to my wife [TS]

00:38:23   during the movie [TS]

00:38:23   sit there married in the comics right [TS]

00:38:26   and vision my vision rocking the sweater [TS]

00:38:29   awesome I think she I think what does [TS]

00:38:33   does well in that scene I and also i [TS]

00:38:35   know this is just a mechanical thing but [TS]

00:38:37   her powers are actually defined in this [TS]

00:38:39   movie in all age of Ultron is like what [TS]

00:38:41   does she do I don't know she waves her [TS]

00:38:43   hands and things happen and we don't [TS]

00:38:45   really weird and then this one she's [TS]

00:38:48   like she moves things around she's very [TS]

00:38:50   telekinetic maybe there's other stuff [TS]

00:38:51   too but it's like I get I get how she [TS]

00:38:53   fights I get how she works she can make [TS]

00:38:55   a tornado [TS]

00:38:56   okay great right and i think that's [TS]

00:38:58   better for her to because it you know [TS]

00:39:00   she's a she's a plot mechanism in most [TS]

00:39:03   of age of Ultron and here they are at [TS]

00:39:05   least setting down a few scenes where [TS]

00:39:07   you get a sense of who she is and how [TS]

00:39:09   she sort of figuring out like where she [TS]

00:39:12   fits and I i did i did appreciate that i [TS]

00:39:15   think one of the things that movie does [TS]

00:39:16   fairly well is given how many characters [TS]

00:39:19   there are two service i think it does a [TS]

00:39:21   pretty decent job of telling some little [TS]

00:39:23   stories some of the characters get [TS]

00:39:25   nothing like Hawkeye gets a couple of [TS]

00:39:27   lines and that's fine [TS]

00:39:28   our lines in this one he didn't like the [TS]

00:39:30   last two movies he's been putting [TS]

00:39:31   together i was actually kind of like [TS]

00:39:33   surprised that I saw him at home we saw [TS]

00:39:35   his whole family in age of Ultron right [TS]

00:39:37   so it's idiot you know here he doesn't [TS]

00:39:39   we don't need that of of him but I think [TS]

00:39:41   that some of the other characters got [TS]

00:39:43   enough and that's what--that's to me why [TS]

00:39:45   this movie at more than two hours didn't [TS]

00:39:48   feel like it like some of the movies [TS]

00:39:51   that are totally overstuffed with heroes [TS]

00:39:53   and villains we're like we have five [TS]

00:39:54   villains now and they all it felt more [TS]

00:39:57   like I don't know because there were so [TS]

00:40:00   many characters like that they--it's [TS]

00:40:02   long because they will take their time [TS]

00:40:04   to tell a little bit about this [TS]

00:40:05   character and a little bit about that [TS]

00:40:06   character and which kinda have to do [TS]

00:40:08   right because this is again more of like [TS]

00:40:10   a big TV show the only minimalize the [TS]

00:40:13   villain I did you know they they could [TS]

00:40:15   bless your movie I suppose would have [TS]

00:40:16   liked made a huge villain for these two [TS]

00:40:18   but i suppose the the main thrust of [TS]

00:40:20   this whole movie is the conflict between [TS]

00:40:21   the heroes [TS]

00:40:22   well i like i like that we actually got [TS]

00:40:25   got wanted Natasha and Sharon Carter [TS]

00:40:27   able to to be not variations on the same [TS]

00:40:30   generic female character which is [TS]

00:40:33   something that [TS]

00:40:34   has happened a bit in the Marvel movies [TS]

00:40:36   with the notable exception being thor [TS]

00:40:37   the dark world which is the reunion for [TS]

00:40:39   Salima line movie that of all things as [TS]

00:40:42   four distinct female characters that [TS]

00:40:44   have more agency and more to do than [TS]

00:40:46   they do throughout the entire rest of [TS]

00:40:48   the series and and i think that i think [TS]

00:40:50   that that Sharon wanted Tasha not having [TS]

00:40:53   that maybe as much screen time is as [TS]

00:40:55   even I would have wanted even though i [TS]

00:40:58   think they're they're decently serve [TS]

00:41:00   better served than other overstuffed [TS]

00:41:02   superhero movies with women in them [TS]

00:41:04   I I you know I feel like that balance is [TS]

00:41:07   going to change now that I Perlmutter [TS]

00:41:09   isn't calling the shots over the movies [TS]

00:41:11   anymore and we can actually have Kevin [TS]

00:41:13   5d saying yeah we definitely want to do [TS]

00:41:15   a Black Widow movie and not say you know [TS]

00:41:18   we would love to but and then having to [TS]

00:41:20   leave an ellipsis on it because you know [TS]

00:41:22   the guy in charge doesn't want girls [TS]

00:41:24   toys and doesn't think girl centric [TS]

00:41:25   movies actually sell I if you like we'll [TS]

00:41:29   see we'll see the balance move toward [TS]

00:41:33   actual balance finally and and this is [TS]

00:41:36   this is kind of the beginning of it is [TS]

00:41:38   is seeing some equal time given you know [TS]

00:41:40   i'm i'm i'm assuming that we'll see [TS]

00:41:42   we'll see some of that come out of and [TS]

00:41:44   the wasp which I think just added sharon [TS]

00:41:48   stone to the cast [TS]

00:41:49   why not is a comparison that your dog [TS]

00:41:52   was then so does have the the true the [TS]

00:41:57   true extended Marvel interconnected [TS]

00:41:59   universe that also includes only you [TS]

00:42:01   where it may follows tony start all-star [TS]

00:42:04   flash has a relationship somebody reboot [TS]

00:42:11   boy says he's doing what what I what I [TS]

00:42:15   loved about the pacing in this is that [TS]

00:42:17   it didn't feel like an overstuffed movie [TS]

00:42:20   to me it felt like when you went to the [TS]

00:42:22   comic book store and you bought like [TS]

00:42:24   five or six comics and you sat down and [TS]

00:42:26   you just binge through all of them it it [TS]

00:42:28   breaks down into these very nice scenes [TS]

00:42:31   and set pieces and character moments and [TS]

00:42:33   it just it felt like i was reading a set [TS]

00:42:35   of comic books all once in a good way [TS]

00:42:38   yeah yeah I was just the comic books [TS]

00:42:39   that I cared the least about where the [TS]

00:42:41   ones that the movie was titled after and [TS]

00:42:43   following the good news is if you wait [TS]

00:42:44   long enough it's like it's like it's [TS]

00:42:46   like weather [TS]

00:42:47   wait long enough and you'll just get [TS]

00:42:48   something else and and in the unity it's [TS]

00:42:50   like literally if you wait long enough [TS]

00:42:52   it will come around it's you know not to [TS]

00:42:54   bring back to Game of Thrones for a [TS]

00:42:55   second but that is this sort of [TS]

00:42:57   storytelling right which is we've got [TS]

00:42:58   seven stories and we're going to tell [TS]

00:43:00   you a little bit of each and keep [TS]

00:43:01   rotating among them and they intersect [TS]

00:43:04   because if there is an overarching story [TS]

00:43:06   here I'm like Game of Thrones where they [TS]

00:43:07   almost never intersect right so I I feel [TS]

00:43:10   like that that's an advantage in a way [TS]

00:43:12   it's like look at this scene boys you [TS]

00:43:13   don't worry there's gonna be a scene [TS]

00:43:15   with you know with black panther coming [TS]

00:43:16   up and then after that we're gonna we're [TS]

00:43:18   gonna go to a spider-man and you know [TS]

00:43:20   it's like all right there's something [TS]

00:43:22   new coming down the road if the scene [TS]

00:43:24   boards you if you really don't like the [TS]

00:43:26   Berlin Airport this is the movie for you [TS]

00:43:28   it's like life sake i think but yeah [TS]

00:43:31   whatever its German airports shot in [TS]

00:43:33   Atlanta apparently confused movie was [TS]

00:43:34   shot in Atlanta like Germany when I saw [TS]

00:43:37   this I thought less of the civil war [TS]

00:43:38   comics because basically they share a [TS]

00:43:40   name and that's it but there's a series [TS]

00:43:44   that took place in the late nineties [TS]

00:43:46   storm watch where the premise was that [TS]

00:43:49   the United Nations did in fact deploy [TS]

00:43:51   superhero teams and the problem comes of [TS]

00:43:55   course when the organization that [TS]

00:43:56   deploys the team's becomes corrupt and [TS]

00:43:58   so we've got to cook and will remain [TS]

00:44:01   with when they went out the saucony [TS]

00:44:02   accords and you're like yeah you guys [TS]

00:44:03   will be a team & A panel will decide [TS]

00:44:05   where to deploy and went to the play [TS]

00:44:07   would have to play you i was like holy [TS]

00:44:09   crap this is star much all over again [TS]

00:44:11   they didn't make the civil war they [TS]

00:44:13   store watch grant morrison should sue [TS]

00:44:15   spam it's the UH and that's without the [TS]

00:44:20   reality thing to which again you know I [TS]

00:44:21   think yeah try to try to don't look at [TS]

00:44:24   it too much because the what is the [TS]

00:44:27   rabbi mean seriously the last captain [TS]

00:44:29   america told us what happens and the [TS]

00:44:31   first Avengers movie told us what [TS]

00:44:32   happens when the group international [TS]

00:44:34   group is in charge which is they become [TS]

00:44:36   corrupt and kill everybody [TS]

00:44:39   so don't know you and nerd and me got [TS]

00:44:41   distracted by wondering you know exactly [TS]

00:44:44   because it'd be like America's Got an [TS]

00:44:46   arms race going on with all their [TS]

00:44:48   super-powered beings and this movie kind [TS]

00:44:51   of raises for me but doesn't answer the [TS]

00:44:52   question [TS]

00:44:53   so where are all the other metahumans [TS]

00:44:54   why is the US metahuman go tramping all [TS]

00:44:56   over the barrel yeah we're not want [TS]

00:44:58   we're just Putin have some superheroes [TS]

00:45:00   right well you know we've got so you've [TS]

00:45:03   got two challahs who is apparently the [TS]

00:45:06   latest in a long line of people who put [TS]

00:45:08   on pants suits and protect this [TS]

00:45:09   reclusive African nation within the MCU [TS]

00:45:13   itself like one of the things that like [TS]

00:45:14   the mini bring in the UN and the whole [TS]

00:45:16   wide world I thought if it's a whole [TS]

00:45:17   wide world [TS]

00:45:18   how come it is that the only people who [TS]

00:45:20   keep making trouble in it are either the [TS]

00:45:22   adventures for based in the US or any [TS]

00:45:24   one of a raft of Eastern European [TS]

00:45:27   villain types who are trying to go up [TS]

00:45:28   against the Avengers like why have we [TS]

00:45:30   not seen any action anywhere else in a [TS]

00:45:32   few what is involved [TS]

00:45:33   why have we not been subject to a [TS]

00:45:37   committee where are you sheets you know [TS]

00:45:39   somebody like Brazil screaming about the [TS]

00:45:41   superhero ok exactly this kid AT&T is [TS]

00:45:45   your sense of at least i was i was [TS]

00:45:47   thinkin like we got something really bad [TS]

00:45:48   going on in Syria so let's end the [TS]

00:45:50   Avengers yes we all agree in there and [TS]

00:45:52   then the Russian person on the Security [TS]

00:45:54   Council goes no we use our veto here [TS]

00:45:56   it's like oh sorry can send them when [TS]

00:45:58   they were gonna win it when they faked [TS]

00:46:00   us out and made it like they were going [TS]

00:46:01   to reawaken those five Soviet super [TS]

00:46:04   soldiers I thought oh my God we're [TS]

00:46:05   getting the Red Guard and which one of [TS]

00:46:07   these is gonna turn into a giant bear [TS]

00:46:09   that was a nice and we're gonna have [TS]

00:46:10   some major for God's sake I thought that [TS]

00:46:12   was a nice plot twists and and I guess [TS]

00:46:14   we should talk about Zemo a little bit [TS]

00:46:16   we mentioned him a little that his [TS]

00:46:17   motivation here is revenge because his [TS]

00:46:20   family was in Segovia and they died and [TS]

00:46:22   his his goal is not to take over the [TS]

00:46:24   world bwahahaha or anything like that it [TS]

00:46:26   is literally just to kind of undercut [TS]

00:46:29   the superheroes and and make them turn [TS]

00:46:31   against each other as much as possible [TS]

00:46:32   and just make life worse for them as [TS]

00:46:35   much as you can and i really did I you [TS]

00:46:38   know he's not supposed to be the big [TS]

00:46:40   villain that the the conflict is between [TS]

00:46:41   the characters he's just a catalyst more [TS]

00:46:44   than anything else and a reason to get [TS]

00:46:45   them on a plane to go where they need to [TS]

00:46:47   go but i really liked that twist that we [TS]

00:46:51   are you know we're led down the path of [TS]

00:46:53   like oh he's this is his game plan he's [TS]

00:46:55   gonna unearth the old winter soldiers [TS]

00:46:57   and no no he hates them and think [TS]

00:46:59   they're dangerous and kill them all [TS]

00:47:01   I thought that was clever when they have [TS]

00:47:03   been when they had a flashback of of the [TS]

00:47:05   five other winter soldiers fighting [TS]

00:47:07   everyone and I didn't recognize any of [TS]

00:47:09   the actors [TS]

00:47:09   they're not gonna be you're not gonna [TS]

00:47:11   make it to the one that lingered on the [TS]

00:47:14   one guy and I thought who that guy [TS]

00:47:15   that's going to be the guy and then it [TS]

00:47:17   wasn't know their alternate the thing [TS]

00:47:19   that bothered me was emails plan was so [TS]

00:47:21   complicated involuted to get all the [TS]

00:47:24   pieces in the right place to get [TS]

00:47:26   basically that then they're right at the [TS]

00:47:28   end to have that fight to get Tony to [TS]

00:47:31   make a decision to come to Siberia so he [TS]

00:47:33   could play the video and exactly it was [TS]

00:47:35   like he had written a whole series of [TS]

00:47:37   interconnected comic books to lead [TS]

00:47:39   everybody to well Tony also have a fedex [TS]

00:47:41   package delivered by Stanley that was [TS]

00:47:43   probably waiting for him back at his [TS]

00:47:44   home base with a videotape of the same [TS]

00:47:46   thing like cover all your bases maybe 40 [TS]

00:47:48   mo yeah what came by UPS is a couple of [TS]

00:47:51   days late or or if your intelligence [TS]

00:47:53   agents on kill squad like this dude was [TS]

00:47:55   like alright one of the lovers you push [TS]

00:47:57   on these people [TS]

00:47:57   yeah and it would not be hard to think [TS]

00:47:59   okay Tony Stark plutocrat has got PTSD [TS]

00:48:01   from watching people to get blown up [TS]

00:48:03   saving him then gets held as a prisoner [TS]

00:48:06   of war and then has survivor guilt from [TS]

00:48:08   that and then gets turned to saving the [TS]

00:48:10   world a few more times it seems like [TS]

00:48:12   it's pretty obvious that Tony Stark at [TS]

00:48:14   this point could could honestly you like [TS]

00:48:16   a couple months off and some pretty [TS]

00:48:17   intensive therapy you know maybe crafts [TS]

00:48:20   therapy or clear clearly zeros entire [TS]

00:48:22   plan although he does end up showing him [TS]

00:48:24   videotape in Siberia is the most plan is [TS]

00:48:26   really he did everything he does is to [TS]

00:48:28   get access to the footage of Tony [TS]

00:48:32   Stark's that parents being killed by by [TS]

00:48:34   the winter soldier and so ultimately [TS]

00:48:36   whether it's there somewhere else like [TS]

00:48:38   I'm kind of serious like he was going to [TS]

00:48:40   see that footage at some point and and [TS]

00:48:42   Zemo knows that that is going to put him [TS]

00:48:44   at at odds with cap and that's what he [TS]

00:48:48   wants to do that's ultimately that's it [TS]

00:48:49   really is like I know that this happened [TS]

00:48:52   so that's going to be the trigger for [TS]

00:48:53   toning the way the the brainwashing code [TS]

00:48:56   book is for Bucky wow that's that's [TS]

00:48:59   gonna rewire his brain as soon as he [TS]

00:49:01   sees it [TS]

00:49:02   yep and I did I like the the divergence [TS]

00:49:05   the divergence from the traditional [TS]

00:49:07   Baron Zemo [TS]

00:49:09   the way that he appeared in the comics [TS]

00:49:11   because we we actually got something [TS]

00:49:13   that wasn't effectively you know the red [TS]

00:49:16   skull in a pink jumpsuit [TS]

00:49:17   yeah yeah little another superb not [TS]

00:49:19   interesting supervillain yeah well i [TS]

00:49:21   don't know i think progressive reinstall [TS]

00:49:22   super interesting I I did live at the [TS]

00:49:25   end that that it wasn't you killed my [TS]

00:49:27   parents [TS]

00:49:28   it's he killed my mom right that's what [TS]

00:49:31   it is it's not it's not about Howard [TS]

00:49:33   it's about his mom [TS]

00:49:34   yeah that's true too that's that that's [TS]

00:49:36   true they have everybody thinks feel of [TS]

00:49:38   a having uh super super young route [TS]

00:49:41   Robert Downey jr. at the beginning of [TS]

00:49:43   the movie I dont still weird how [TS]

00:49:45   increasing you're wrong i thought it was [TS]

00:49:48   slightly it was better than you know [TS]

00:49:50   that the sort of tron legacy type people [TS]

00:49:54   and I thought it was a bit better maybe [TS]

00:49:57   then the the ant-man stuff but it just I [TS]

00:50:02   don't know there's something about it i [TS]

00:50:04   mean it is the uncanny valley thing it [TS]

00:50:06   is just that was all I liked it but they [TS]

00:50:09   did have give themselves an outright [TS]

00:50:10   which is like oh but this is actually [TS]

00:50:12   just a hologram or something that he's [TS]

00:50:14   showing on in his head talk i was [TS]

00:50:16   waiting for the rest of the cast of less [TS]

00:50:17   than 0 and back to school to come [TS]

00:50:19   bouncing into it it's not fair by the [TS]

00:50:21   way using Holograms in your TED talk [TS]

00:50:22   totally not fair to the other presenters [TS]

00:50:25   president ted talk it was an MIT talk [TS]

00:50:27   what I'd be curious about is how [TS]

00:50:29   somebody who did not actually watch [TS]

00:50:31   Robert Downey jr. on screen when he was [TS]

00:50:33   in their twenties like how they regarded [TS]

00:50:35   this and reflected this because when my [TS]

00:50:38   fourteen-year-old went bananas for it [TS]

00:50:39   will see this is the thing is because [TS]

00:50:41   when I want the whole time I was [TS]

00:50:42   watching and I was trying to figure out [TS]

00:50:43   where they're going like I was like did [TS]

00:50:45   they based the footage off of home for [TS]

00:50:46   the holidays so they base it off of one [TS]

00:50:48   of the early nineties movies i was [TS]

00:50:50   trying to figure out where they were [TS]

00:50:51   they were they pulled the library of [TS]

00:50:53   composite images because i remember [TS]

00:50:55   seeing Robert Downey jr. in theaters at [TS]

00:50:57   that age and I thought well if I didn't [TS]

00:50:59   know any of this if I if I were 20 years [TS]

00:51:02   younger with this it differently on my [TS]

00:51:05   eyes like it's only weird to me because [TS]

00:51:07   I remember him as a younger person you [TS]

00:51:10   know and i think that's a question that [TS]

00:51:11   probably asking a lot next year and one [TS]

00:51:14   thing that was interesting is comparing [TS]

00:51:16   this to aunt and last year with a man [TS]

00:51:19   now you know Michael Douglas acting for [TS]

00:51:22   years and all that [TS]

00:51:23   when when young Michael Douglas walked [TS]

00:51:25   in almost the entire room gasps yeah oh [TS]

00:51:28   yeah and and with this [TS]

00:51:31   not much of a reaction and it was it was [TS]

00:51:33   still you know full of adults so it's [TS]

00:51:35   not like it was just kids it wasn't you [TS]

00:51:36   know but it was just sort of like of [TS]

00:51:38   course Tony Stark would have young Tony [TS]

00:51:40   Stark yeah sure [TS]

00:51:41   so so when it with his TED talk thing [TS]

00:51:43   will not talk [TS]

00:51:45   he's he's got this like what was it [TS]

00:51:49   so he had these glasses which seemed to [TS]

00:51:51   be reading his mind to project has seen [TS]

00:51:55   on to a pre existing template of like [TS]

00:51:58   mapped piano and various other things on [TS]

00:52:01   the set and he said and it's a device [TS]

00:52:04   for hijacking the hippocampus to clear [TS]

00:52:07   traumatic memories and I thought all [TS]

00:52:09   he's built this you know [TS]

00:52:10   hundred-million-dollar device for our [TS]

00:52:13   that will help with traumatic memories [TS]

00:52:15   that we perfect for Bucky later this all [TS]

00:52:18   definitely hundred percent come on and [TS]

00:52:20   then they just didn't mention it at all [TS]

00:52:22   and it wasn't clear what it was whether [TS]

00:52:24   he was just like he just wanted to see [TS]

00:52:27   what this scene and make a fake version [TS]

00:52:29   in the holiday so that you don't you [TS]

00:52:31   know it was check archives dead parents [TS]

00:52:33   space wrong yeah i mean it was I thought [TS]

00:52:37   it was clear that the winter soldier had [TS]

00:52:39   killed his parents from like the first [TS]

00:52:41   or second scene i agree [TS]

00:52:43   ok I wasn't a huge surprise on that on [TS]

00:52:46   that topic winded captain america find [TS]

00:52:48   out about this because he knows exactly [TS]

00:52:49   Tony can transfer about it he said he [TS]

00:52:52   didn't know he knew that I think he was [TS]

00:52:54   implying that he knew that his parents [TS]

00:52:55   had been killed and it wasn't an [TS]

00:52:57   accident and hydros responsible but he [TS]

00:52:59   didn't know it was Bucky at that point [TS]

00:53:01   until he found out and yeah you probably [TS]

00:53:03   didn't want to tell Tony because you [TS]

00:53:07   don't want to find out who your parents [TS]

00:53:08   were murdered by Hydra can we talk about [TS]

00:53:10   the new characters are I want to talk [TS]

00:53:12   about spider-man but why don't we start [TS]

00:53:13   with a black panther when people think [TS]

00:53:15   of of the Black Panther who we we see [TS]

00:53:18   for the first time here and he sees [TS]

00:53:19   getting a movie but chadwick boseman as [TS]

00:53:22   to Charlie the king of Wakanda one of my [TS]

00:53:25   one of my favorite comic series that got [TS]

00:53:27   me back into comics in high school was [TS]

00:53:28   the Black Panther run written by [TS]

00:53:30   Christopher priest a priest a Cajun [TS]

00:53:33   Owsley [TS]

00:53:34   and the the feel of of two challenges [TS]

00:53:38   Chaka and the whole Black Panther [TS]

00:53:41   portion of the Marvel Universe feels [TS]

00:53:43   like it is very brilliantly taken [TS]

00:53:46   directly from from from from that is [TS]

00:53:49   inspiration down to everyday Ross's a [TS]

00:53:51   little bit different [TS]

00:53:52   maybe a little bit different but but the [TS]

00:53:54   child himself [TS]

00:53:55   it just it showed up on the screen right [TS]

00:53:58   off the page using the best materials [TS]

00:54:01   available [TS]

00:54:01   I couldn't be more happy that i liked it [TS]

00:54:04   I liked everything about that the only [TS]

00:54:05   thing that bothered me slightly was the [TS]

00:54:07   like that the little musical sting that [TS]

00:54:09   they used the kind of let me to pan [TS]

00:54:11   flute noise like yeah we get it he's [TS]

00:54:14   like the way he's from Africa [TS]

00:54:15   yes African we were just like a point [TS]

00:54:17   this out with the music in case you [TS]

00:54:19   haven't picked up on the the sort of [TS]

00:54:21   mystical African nature of it was being [TS]

00:54:24   pushed a bit hard but i'm not going over [TS]

00:54:26   the comics I don't know how whether they [TS]

00:54:30   were just pulling that straight from the [TS]

00:54:31   page but it was just that one musical [TS]

00:54:33   note really was the entire thing that [TS]

00:54:34   bothered me [TS]

00:54:35   yeah i also have not read any of the [TS]

00:54:37   comics but now i am very interested in [TS]

00:54:40   this character so how how it you know [TS]

00:54:42   however faithful they were our warranty [TS]

00:54:43   i thought it really worked on the screen [TS]

00:54:45   I thought Bozeman's performance was was [TS]

00:54:47   fantastic and yeah I'm interested in [TS]

00:54:50   seeing where this character goes [TS]

00:54:51   David you said like make the movie now [TS]

00:54:53   right insights on it's not for two years [TS]

00:54:55   i think that the Black Panther movie [TS]

00:54:57   comes out [TS]

00:54:58   nope and I wanted this weekend I'm ready [TS]

00:55:00   yeah I thought he was great I thought I [TS]

00:55:02   thought chadwick boseman performance is [TS]

00:55:04   fantastic i love that we see him first [TS]

00:55:07   you know we first we see him as the [TS]

00:55:08   prince in relation to his father [TS]

00:55:10   we-we-we see that he is a you know he's [TS]

00:55:13   a formidable person and then we're like [TS]

00:55:16   oh and he has a cat costume with the [TS]

00:55:19   vibranium claws and he runs around it's [TS]

00:55:21   like I like that sequence of of like [TS]

00:55:24   getting to know who he was and as a [TS]

00:55:25   longtime comic reader i'm familiar with [TS]

00:55:27   the character but i also really enjoyed [TS]

00:55:28   my family especially my think my son [TS]

00:55:32   probably knew but but my wife and my [TS]

00:55:35   daughter didn't know and they were like [TS]

00:55:36   he's awesome who is that what is that [TS]

00:55:38   who is that guy right and and and i [TS]

00:55:41   think a lot of audience members are like [TS]

00:55:42   Erica to where it's like I don't know [TS]

00:55:44   anything about this guy but he seems [TS]

00:55:46   really great right i mean like you can [TS]

00:55:47   see him being having his own movie it [TS]

00:55:49   doesn't it's not one of those to try a [TS]

00:55:51   little harder it's like no I want to see [TS]

00:55:53   that movie with that guy [TS]

00:55:54   yeah well there's no box checking about [TS]

00:55:56   a 2 you've got you've got him as a [TS]

00:55:58   different presence as a black superhero [TS]

00:56:00   in addition to falcon in addition to war [TS]

00:56:03   machine and it doesn't feel like like [TS]

00:56:08   affirmative action move [TS]

00:56:09   I you know something that I i see in [TS]

00:56:12   movies where they're like by the way [TS]

00:56:14   let's hang a lantern on this and let's [TS]

00:56:15   be proud of how progressive we are this [TS]

00:56:17   is a character that deserves to be in [TS]

00:56:19   the movie because he's a character that [TS]

00:56:20   deserves to be in the movie [TS]

00:56:22   yeah I like that there were three black [TS]

00:56:23   superheroes in the lineup yep yep i also [TS]

00:56:26   want to see an entire movie about about [TS]

00:56:28   to challenge that I don't know if she [TS]

00:56:30   was his security person already got I [TS]

00:56:32   thought it was exactly like home and [TS]

00:56:34   just amazing that the one susong of of [TS]

00:56:38   Black Panther nerding out that I'll do [TS]

00:56:40   here is that woman is part of a group of [TS]

00:56:42   our honor guards called the door in [TS]

00:56:45   lingerie the adored ones that she [TS]

00:56:47   ritualistically shave their heads and [TS]

00:56:49   are are are exactly the type of people [TS]

00:56:52   that you you really want that scene [TS]

00:56:54   where they they have it they go [TS]

00:56:56   toe-to-toe with the with black widow [TS]

00:56:58   because they're absolute badasses so he [TS]

00:57:01   basically has a team of wonder women [TS]

00:57:03   that following around and make sure that [TS]

00:57:05   he's safe [TS]

00:57:06   I want that movie and Martin Freeman is [TS]

00:57:08   playing a character who has connections [TS]

00:57:10   to Black Panther right yeah he's kind of [TS]

00:57:12   like like it like a UN Special Envoy [TS]

00:57:14   bureaucrat jerk who's kind of a dip but [TS]

00:57:18   is entertaining and and and fun as as as [TS]

00:57:22   the personification of bureaucratic [TS]

00:57:24   around six over the place for [TS]

00:57:25   congratulations Martin Freeman you are [TS]

00:57:27   the bureaucrats also so Ben when the [TS]

00:57:30   chatroom pointed out and David also [TS]

00:57:31   found in a briefing by alan sepinwall [TS]

00:57:33   the scene in at the end of winter [TS]

00:57:35   soldier where they're in the bunker with [TS]

00:57:37   the computer of armed with Zola strongly [TS]

00:57:39   suggest that Heydrich was responsible [TS]

00:57:41   for the Starks dying and data record if [TS]

00:57:45   not Bucky that's yeah that's what I [TS]

00:57:47   thought it was clear the second movie [TS]

00:57:48   that's that's what we're going to need [TS]

00:57:51   that in winter soldier so so I'd I just [TS]

00:57:54   forgotten that that was there and that's [TS]

00:57:56   an example where there's a callback that [TS]

00:57:57   everybody's like oh how did he know that [TS]

00:57:59   the answer is it [TS]

00:58:00   it's in another movie that you probably [TS]

00:58:02   saw and just don't remember that scene [TS]

00:58:04   words that asterisk saying go see issue [TS]

00:58:07   yeah metalware Toby Jones says at [TS]

00:58:09   accidents can happen or whatever is [TS]

00:58:11   gonna happen in the computer didn't I [TS]

00:58:15   can't wait to be a cybernetic robust [TS]

00:58:18   with no head [TS]

00:58:19   beep boop actually Jason that brings me [TS]

00:58:23   back to be we mentioned you know do you [TS]

00:58:25   have to see all of them and that kind of [TS]

00:58:27   thing [TS]

00:58:27   my wife has not seen the second captain [TS]

00:58:29   america the second Avengers i think the [TS]

00:58:32   most recent one [TS]

00:58:33   she hasn't seen Thor to it hasn't even [TS]

00:58:35   seen for one she's very few of the [TS]

00:58:36   Marvel movies overall the most recent [TS]

00:58:38   one she's always a man she enjoyed that [TS]

00:58:40   and I'm actually really eager to take [TS]

00:58:42   her to see this just to see if it bores [TS]

00:58:45   the crap out of her or if it actually [TS]

00:58:47   works pretty well on its own as a [TS]

00:58:49   standalone thing because she's I mean [TS]

00:58:51   she's energy stuff it's not like you [TS]

00:58:53   know we don't have a bunch of Jurassic [TS]

00:58:54   Park posters all over her living room [TS]

00:58:55   but but I you know I really do wonder [TS]

00:58:58   about things like that gasp where its [TS]

00:59:01   people who maybe weren't paying [TS]

00:59:02   attention to and watching movies three [TS]

00:59:04   times each or maybe missed one along the [TS]

00:59:07   way who didn't pick up on something I I [TS]

00:59:10   I want to feel like this movie did a [TS]

00:59:13   good enough job of introducing people [TS]

00:59:14   who maybe maybe somebody doesn't know a [TS]

00:59:17   particular character who's already been [TS]

00:59:19   introduced name but they're able to pick [TS]

00:59:21   up on what the relationship is with [TS]

00:59:23   different characters because they do [TS]

00:59:25   they do like a micro recap page with [TS]

00:59:27   everybody where we get you know the clip [TS]

00:59:30   saucony the clips from this the clips [TS]

00:59:31   from this the this is where my life is I [TS]

00:59:34   broke up with my girlfriend you know I'm [TS]

00:59:35   looking for my friend and i was in World [TS]

00:59:37   War two [TS]

00:59:37   what we get we get a little bit of that [TS]

00:59:39   stuff and I wonder if it's if it's [TS]

00:59:41   helpful or if it's overwhelming [TS]

00:59:42   I I thought they did a good job I mean [TS]

00:59:45   obviously I've seen all the movies up to [TS]

00:59:46   this point but yeah so I've got the [TS]

00:59:48   background for these things but i think [TS]

00:59:49   it I think it did a good enough job of [TS]

00:59:52   do I mean I not perfect I mean if you're [TS]

00:59:55   totally in the dark [TS]

00:59:56   I love that they gave us they gave the [TS]

00:59:58   audience credit of like what [TS]

00:59:58   audience credit of like what [TS]

01:00:00   think you'll be able to follow this but [TS]

01:00:01   we're not going to do is say say oh your [TS]

01:00:04   parents and then I like a [TS]

01:00:06   black-and-white flashback scene with a [TS]

01:00:08   backseat from a previous movie which I [TS]

01:00:11   TV does a lot [TS]

01:00:12   it's like now you know look either you [TS]

01:00:14   do remember it or you'll go with it and [TS]

01:00:16   we're just gonna move on and that this [TS]

01:00:18   movie would have been just terrible if [TS]

01:00:20   we had to keep on doing that I would [TS]

01:00:22   love a footnote version though I think [TS]

01:00:24   that would be hilarious [TS]

01:00:25   yeah pop-up marvel cinematic universe [TS]

01:00:27   that would be good that would be that [TS]

01:00:30   would be really good [TS]

01:00:31   um so spider-man can we can we talk i'm [TS]

01:00:34   gonna let everybody else go first on [TS]

01:00:35   spider-man and James gonna ruin it all [TS]

01:00:39   at the end so what people think about [TS]

01:00:40   the about spider-man week I think he [TS]

01:00:43   does whatever a spider can [TS]

01:00:44   it's true it is his website he was [TS]

01:00:47   spinning they were of many sizes perhaps [TS]

01:00:49   all the sizes he captured so we see Tony [TS]

01:00:54   Stark shows up at peter parker's house [TS]

01:00:55   and manage more is Marisa Tomei and may [TS]

01:00:58   just keep getting younger and younger I [TS]

01:00:59   just I just want to say he and aunt Mae [TS]

01:01:02   are both the same age and he's playing [TS]

01:01:05   like our favorite superhero and she's a [TS]

01:01:08   super heroes and yeah that's depressing [TS]

01:01:11   he's weirded out by how she's attractive [TS]

01:01:13   at that age come on Tony Stark the same [TS]

01:01:16   although although Tony Stark is kind of [TS]

01:01:17   a pig is so i kinda get it and you know [TS]

01:01:20   Aunt May and maybe being you think about [TS]

01:01:22   it this way to she's peters and which [TS]

01:01:24   means all she really needs to be is old [TS]

01:01:26   enough to be his mom and P if Peter [TS]

01:01:28   Parker's 15 then it's not reasonable [TS]

01:01:30   that also means get Tony Stark's old [TS]

01:01:32   enough to be his dad I think tony stark [TS]

01:01:34   would never want to would admit to that [TS]

01:01:35   right and he thinks of himself as much [TS]

01:01:38   cooler and younger than that but you [TS]

01:01:40   know he's not maybe he's cooler [TS]

01:01:42   he's just not you know cinema instead of [TS]

01:01:44   already robert w jr played the dad of [TS]

01:01:47   i'm liking the actress but she pleased [TS]

01:01:49   are seen before movies but what is her [TS]

01:01:52   name [TS]

01:01:52   kat dennings yeah there's a movie with [TS]

01:01:55   Robert Downey jr. plays your dad about a [TS]

01:01:57   father-daughter relationship so there's [TS]

01:02:00   there's already like he's always seemed [TS]

01:02:02   like the dad of the MCU to be precisely [TS]

01:02:04   because he does carry himself like a [TS]

01:02:06   dude who's in his mid-forties [TS]

01:02:07   don't-don't-don't is 51 if if if he will [TS]

01:02:11   if he was the father of Peter Parker [TS]

01:02:13   he'd be an old dad ok and not even be [TS]

01:02:17   it's like he's he's he's probably old [TS]

01:02:19   enough to be his grandfather so I what [TS]

01:02:22   I'm saying is let's let side but it's [TS]

01:02:25   great it's great to see Marisa Tomei and [TS]

01:02:26   may I i kind of am at liking how that [TS]

01:02:29   the enemy is getting younger because I'm [TS]

01:02:31   it does not have to be a very elderly [TS]

01:02:33   person in fact it kinda doesn't make [TS]

01:02:35   sense for her to be sickly and elderly [TS]

01:02:36   accepting the comics where they've had [TS]

01:02:38   Peter grow well Peter I've follow my [TS]

01:02:40   heart [TS]

01:02:41   oh I like the idea that i like it then [TS]

01:02:43   the MCU like she ended up being Peters [TS]

01:02:45   guardian and very young age after his [TS]

01:02:47   parents were killed in an accident she [TS]

01:02:49   never met uncle been so there isn't that [TS]

01:02:50   guilt and Peter to become a superhero [TS]

01:02:52   because he he grew up in an era where [TS]

01:02:55   the Avengers you know where we're [TS]

01:02:57   running grandpa's the streets when he [TS]

01:02:58   was nine or ten and he's like I'm gonna [TS]

01:03:00   do that it's the same reason people [TS]

01:03:02   enlisted after nine eleven i'm sorry i'm [TS]

01:03:04   still going to advocate for Ben Parker [TS]

01:03:06   being played by jason alexander because [TS]

01:03:07   that means every everyone saying I it [TS]

01:03:11   means getting younger all the actresses [TS]

01:03:12   playing at me you're getting younger [TS]

01:03:14   well spider-man is much younger in this [TS]

01:03:16   so it's okay exactly and I sense i would [TS]

01:03:19   say i'm also I i think it's jarring for [TS]

01:03:22   people who are used to the spider-man [TS]

01:03:23   movies to think of spider-man is a kid [TS]

01:03:25   instead of as a a you know basically an [TS]

01:03:28   adult but when I'm your oldest Christian [TS]

01:03:30   historically that that you know he [TS]

01:03:33   started out as as this kid with powers [TS]

01:03:35   and I think in the in the ultimate [TS]

01:03:39   spider-man stories which are my favorite [TS]

01:03:41   that this is exactly the dynamic which [TS]

01:03:44   is there are a whole bunch of grown-ups [TS]

01:03:45   superheroes and then there's this kid [TS]

01:03:47   who spider-man and its kind of [TS]

01:03:49   delightful so i like i like that that's [TS]

01:03:51   what the dynamic is but i think that [TS]

01:03:53   works well in the in the comics but you [TS]

01:03:56   know in in these films with you know the [TS]

01:03:58   idea of young we've had is like Wanda [TS]

01:04:00   and elizabeth Olsen is 27 and she's [TS]

01:04:03   playing you know late teens early [TS]

01:04:05   twenties and Tom Holland is 19 but it [TS]

01:04:08   looks about you know 13 ya termine stand [TS]

01:04:11   and seeing that the the contrast between [TS]

01:04:14   him and you know particularly Robert [TS]

01:04:16   Downey jr. when Robert Downey jr. is [TS]

01:04:19   bringing him into [TS]

01:04:20   the fold and all this it just feels so [TS]

01:04:23   wrong and child soldiers as well I wrote [TS]

01:04:25   that in my notes as well it is it's not [TS]

01:04:28   very clearly the tony is exploiting this [TS]

01:04:30   kid I mean it's totally that's what's [TS]

01:04:32   happening yeah i mean that the thought [TS]

01:04:34   of that tight and a little bit i think i [TS]

01:04:37   thought was kind of pulling his punches [TS]

01:04:38   to when he fights with spider-man he's [TS]

01:04:40   like look I don't know if you know this [TS]

01:04:41   but there's not this much clipping and I [TS]

01:04:44   might like I think he swings early on [TS]

01:04:47   that he's fighting against the kid [TS]

01:04:48   because you look at how the people on [TS]

01:04:50   team captain deal with spider-man and [TS]

01:04:52   it's mostly let's keep him contained and [TS]

01:04:54   let's keep it while it's not doing [TS]

01:04:55   serious damage and i'm pretty sure part [TS]

01:04:57   of that is holy crap this is a kid [TS]

01:04:59   yeah one and and steve has our [TS]

01:05:01   conversation with him at the end of [TS]

01:05:03   their fighting to you by thing when you [TS]

01:05:05   see it as a photorealistic thing that [TS]

01:05:07   it's sort of triggers different parts of [TS]

01:05:09   your brain or the did for me anyway I [TS]

01:05:12   really enjoyed watching him in the end [TS]

01:05:14   but the way that he sort of bounced off [TS]

01:05:17   the other characters was it was a little [TS]

01:05:19   difficult for me because i would i would [TS]

01:05:20   like to watch the Tom Holland spider-man [TS]

01:05:22   movie I just felt like he was in a [TS]

01:05:24   different movie and not in this one [TS]

01:05:26   yeah and and you know that was the same [TS]

01:05:28   to a certain extent with with ant-man [TS]

01:05:31   but it wasn't quite as stark of a [TS]

01:05:34   difference [TS]

01:05:35   no star and because it is I felt like I [TS]

01:05:40   felt like ant-man was a character who [TS]

01:05:41   was visiting this movie from somewhere [TS]

01:05:43   else and I felt like Spiderman was [TS]

01:05:44   character who was just in his own movie [TS]

01:05:46   and somehow we're seeing it through the [TS]

01:05:48   lens of this film and it's stupid kids [TS]

01:05:50   enjoyed it very much but it pulled me [TS]

01:05:51   out of this movie every time it happened [TS]

01:05:53   yeah if you would've told me that if you [TS]

01:05:55   would have told me that they shot all of [TS]

01:05:57   spider-man and Tony Stark scenes after [TS]

01:05:59   they wrapped production on this movie I [TS]

01:06:00   would've believed it because they just [TS]

01:06:01   felt like they just jumped this this [TS]

01:06:03   this new bits of scenes it's almost like [TS]

01:06:06   you know when Suzanne Somers was holding [TS]

01:06:08   out from Three's Company and that's what [TS]

01:06:10   I had a phone in once a week to do is ok [TS]

01:06:13   I've you gonna take in spider-man out of [TS]

01:06:16   this film and it would've made a [TS]

01:06:17   difference so on our production on a [TS]

01:06:20   production note they bolted they bolted [TS]

01:06:22   spider-man into the movie before they [TS]

01:06:24   had the bones of the movie put together [TS]

01:06:26   so I very much see that point for me [TS]

01:06:28   what I feel like the movie benefited [TS]

01:06:30   from by having [TS]

01:06:31   this complete other movie complete other [TS]

01:06:33   sensibility just kind of crash the party [TS]

01:06:35   as it were is that where where the [TS]

01:06:38   Marvel movies and I don't want to make [TS]

01:06:40   this about a comparison of batman vs [TS]

01:06:41   superman because i get enough people [TS]

01:06:43   threatening to shoot me or whatever [TS]

01:06:45   because i have a particular opinion but [TS]

01:06:49   where the movie can go just nothing but [TS]

01:06:51   green dark green dark green dark like in [TS]

01:06:54   some ways the comic did you have [TS]

01:06:56   spider-man ant-man both swing in and it [TS]

01:06:58   kind of bring that levy brings the sense [TS]

01:07:01   of you know this whole conflict is kind [TS]

01:07:03   of ridiculous yeah and you got you [TS]

01:07:04   Avengers are farmers and ya have it [TS]

01:07:07   being a hero is not always just as sad [TS]

01:07:10   as you guys make it seem to be I i agree [TS]

01:07:12   like I liked ant-man for that but [TS]

01:07:14   Spiderman was maybe a bridge too far [TS]

01:07:16   CII love spider-man and living living [TS]

01:07:19   with the smartest fourteen-year-old I [TS]

01:07:21   was like oh that really sounds like a [TS]

01:07:23   smart as fourteen-year-old yeah like the [TS]

01:07:25   line where he goes that really old movie [TS]

01:07:27   The Empire Strikes Back if it just been [TS]

01:07:29   should have just been that old movie [TS]

01:07:32   that would not have been plausible but [TS]

01:07:34   as smart as 14 year old has has done [TS]

01:07:36   that joke to me all the time yeah but [TS]

01:07:38   you know that smartass support [TS]

01:07:40   ten-year-old he's not brand-new with all [TS]

01:07:42   these people that that are you know huge [TS]

01:07:44   sort of stars to him and fight he's [TS]

01:07:46   fighting possibly literally for his life [TS]

01:07:48   I just if they would have left out the [TS]

01:07:50   word really i would have been fine with [TS]

01:07:51   it but instead that seems like a [TS]

01:07:53   splinter in my brain and body and how [TS]

01:07:55   much i just i don't think it would have [TS]

01:07:56   been possible without it the reason that [TS]

01:07:58   bothered me was I'm i was i was thinking [TS]

01:08:02   oh yeah disney own style which is [TS]

01:08:05   exactly what Arizona references is is [TS]

01:08:07   like in the most recent there was the [TS]

01:08:09   episode of the flash what he's [TS]

01:08:11   referencing harry pottah was like oh [TS]

01:08:13   yeah they're both warner brothers [TS]

01:08:14   properties now [TS]

01:08:15   yeah okay so I i like the spider-man [TS]

01:08:17   spider-man's my favorite superhero and i [TS]

01:08:18   liked it i don't disagree that it is not [TS]

01:08:21   necessary for the movie I i do like the [TS]

01:08:24   lightness of it I i like is it an ad for [TS]

01:08:27   the reboot of spider-man next year [TS]

01:08:30   sure it is but I'll tell you this it was [TS]

01:08:33   a heck of an ad so I I didn't mind it at [TS]

01:08:36   all [TS]

01:08:37   i realized that i am a i was actually a [TS]

01:08:40   little worried because the trailer [TS]

01:08:42   didn't really inspire me in terms of how [TS]

01:08:44   he drops [TS]

01:08:45   and in there but seeing these scenes [TS]

01:08:47   with Tom Holland I was like I really [TS]

01:08:48   like this take on spider-man and I like [TS]

01:08:50   how he you know how he looks in the end [TS]

01:08:53   the fight scenes and I and being that [TS]

01:08:55   that mouthy a smartass kid which i think [TS]

01:08:58   is who spider-man should be so tonight [TS]

01:09:01   if I CIA and I'm coming at this from not [TS]

01:09:04   having actually read spider-man comics [TS]

01:09:06   and only vaguely remembering the other [TS]

01:09:07   movies and from his earlier scenes I [TS]

01:09:10   didn't really get the smartass kid I got [TS]

01:09:12   this sort of like bewildered kid that [TS]

01:09:14   was like oh my god what is happening [TS]

01:09:15   this is this is really cool I i read him [TS]

01:09:18   is sort of enthusiastic and and you know [TS]

01:09:20   not old but I didn't read him his mouth [TS]

01:09:22   again sarcastic which is why those that [TS]

01:09:24   line came out of nowhere for me he put [TS]

01:09:26   on the mask and then all of a sudden he [TS]

01:09:27   gets to he gets to overcompensate and [TS]

01:09:30   feel like he's one of the grown-ups yeah [TS]

01:09:32   yeah see I wish I would have gotten that [TS]

01:09:34   from there but no he might be totally [TS]

01:09:36   reminded me of them my my niece and [TS]

01:09:38   several the girls that I used used to be [TS]

01:09:40   a girl scout trip and they were tiny [TS]

01:09:42   their high school seniors now I'm [TS]

01:09:43   sunrise sunset and when they all started [TS]

01:09:47   doing high school drama [TS]

01:09:48   what was interesting to me was how [TS]

01:09:50   effortlessly the code switch between who [TS]

01:09:53   they were when they were in class [TS]

01:09:54   whether they were like the the soccer [TS]

01:09:56   kid or the band geek or whatever to who [TS]

01:09:59   they were the minute they were in drama [TS]

01:10:01   club and putting on these these for [TS]

01:10:03   these roles on stage and it's kind of a [TS]

01:10:05   kick to see one kid go from being this [TS]

01:10:08   this some very quiet rules following you [TS]

01:10:13   know front row student to playing this [TS]

01:10:15   hand again as a a gleefully over-the-top [TS]

01:10:17   busy woman on the make and that was kind [TS]

01:10:20   of my impression with Peter Parker as [TS]

01:10:22   spider-man 2 is I feel like his bravado [TS]

01:10:25   was kind of him getting a chance to be [TS]

01:10:28   who he thinks he is inside and it may [TS]

01:10:30   have also been a little bit of [TS]

01:10:31   adolescent protective coloration because [TS]

01:10:34   you know once he starts fighting he [TS]

01:10:37   knows he knows what he's capable of but [TS]

01:10:38   there's also a level of holy crap up [TS]

01:10:40   against ground to do this for a living [TS]

01:10:42   and so I thought a lot of his running [TS]

01:10:44   off his mouth was was part enthusiasm [TS]

01:10:46   and part look at me look look look at me [TS]

01:10:48   look at my peers are wow this is my [TS]

01:10:51   heart nervous energy booth and maybe [TS]

01:10:54   headcanon but you know which is why I'm [TS]

01:10:56   looking forward to a spider-man movie [TS]

01:10:57   because all of these things you guys are [TS]

01:10:58   saying i'm making me not and go oh yeah [TS]

01:11:00   that makes sense but they just didn't [TS]

01:11:01   have time to build that all in and you [TS]

01:11:04   know i'm old i don't know what that [TS]

01:11:05   stuff i need ya help me [TS]

01:11:07   yeah well that was my complete with most [TS]

01:11:08   of the characters to you have to kind of [TS]

01:11:10   either you have to bring in a whole lot [TS]

01:11:11   of stuff like you know the black ones [TS]

01:11:13   motivations can be explained with like [TS]

01:11:14   three different scenes across three [TS]

01:11:15   different movies but unless you remember [TS]

01:11:17   those seams and you took an active [TS]

01:11:18   interest in a character you're not going [TS]

01:11:19   to taking taking as much of my headcanon [TS]

01:11:22   helmet off as i can for me it's very [TS]

01:11:25   much that acting out of a second persona [TS]

01:11:27   where he's not the kid in in sweatpants [TS]

01:11:30   and a homemade mask and goggles grabbing [TS]

01:11:34   people out of the way of a car he's [TS]

01:11:36   getting to play with the big kids and be [TS]

01:11:38   with cool great uncle tony not Uncle [TS]

01:11:41   Tony great uncle tony didn't open it and [TS]

01:11:45   all the superheroes he seen on tv and [TS]

01:11:47   holy crap oh man i'm up to this level [TS]

01:11:50   and and it's it's just teenage over [TS]

01:11:52   compensating to me the the thing that [TS]

01:11:54   may be slightly uncomfortable and that [TS]

01:11:55   was when you know and he's fighting with [TS]

01:11:59   Captain America and he's like oh yeah [TS]

01:12:02   Tony said you were going to say that and [TS]

01:12:03   and you know he feels a bit not quite [TS]

01:12:06   brainwashed but you know he's been [TS]

01:12:08   clearly because you know tote Tony's [TS]

01:12:11   giving him the city's giving ya off ya [TS]

01:12:13   know is your sugar daddy and he said you [TS]

01:12:15   up to this no I think that's all there [TS]

01:12:17   and I think they do take a light hand [TS]

01:12:18   with him and I think Steve talking to [TS]

01:12:20   him the end is important and I think [TS]

01:12:21   also it says something about Tony where [TS]

01:12:23   he's like you're done right like he he's [TS]

01:12:26   not gonna whether that's him rethinking [TS]

01:12:29   order was like this the the action in [TS]

01:12:30   the movie you're going to go on and yes [TS]

01:12:31   i know they only have a minute so many [TS]

01:12:33   scenes because he's got to go back into [TS]

01:12:35   his own movie but I did like him saying [TS]

01:12:36   kid you're you're done you know one [TS]

01:12:38   maybe there's some regret their that he [TS]

01:12:40   was even brought into this one another [TS]

01:12:42   thing the difference between him as [TS]

01:12:44   themselves and him in the suit is [TS]

01:12:46   remember when he's first talking with [TS]

01:12:48   Tony he talks about you know why do you [TS]

01:12:50   want to have the dark goggles can you [TS]

01:12:51   even see out of those things like it [TS]

01:12:52   because my eyes are much more sensitive [TS]

01:12:55   now I'm even more easily distracted and [TS]

01:12:58   so when he's got the sudan he's more [TS]

01:13:00   focused too hehe doesn't have the same [TS]

01:13:02   kind of sensory input and the same sort [TS]

01:13:04   of overload that he has [TS]

01:13:06   as a regular teenage kid what I liked in [TS]

01:13:09   this versus the other movies is that he [TS]

01:13:11   was clearly very smart and you know he's [TS]

01:13:15   Tony's like who who made your your web [TS]

01:13:17   shooters or that kind of stuff and he's [TS]

01:13:20   like well i did and you know he's [TS]

01:13:23   obviously being set up to be you know [TS]

01:13:25   maybe as smart as tony is down the line [TS]

01:13:29   yeah yeah this is the first spider-man [TS]

01:13:31   as much as I enjoyed to acquire this is [TS]

01:13:33   the first time a spider man in film felt [TS]

01:13:36   like spider-man to me yes we do i feel [TS]

01:13:38   like the amazing spider-man Peter Parker [TS]

01:13:42   was good but this this is the this is [TS]

01:13:47   the closest the the both of the [TS]

01:13:50   character I didn't I dig the [TS]

01:13:52   characterization and my my thing which [TS]

01:13:54   extends to you know I i love that we had [TS]

01:13:57   three black superheroes that was great [TS]

01:13:58   it be wonderful if Marvel knew that that [TS]

01:14:02   latinos were perfectly willing to be [TS]

01:14:04   superheroes as well [TS]

01:14:06   asians also also work for that is we [TS]

01:14:08   have lots of white ppl plantation [TS]

01:14:09   superheroes with us buddy talking to and [TS]

01:14:11   what yeah you know my thing my thing is [TS]

01:14:15   you know with with the casting [TS]

01:14:16   spider-man I i wish that they would have [TS]

01:14:18   been comfortable even going biracial and [TS]

01:14:21   not and i'm not saying oh they should [TS]

01:14:23   use Miles Morales there are plenty of [TS]

01:14:24   people who are advocating for that but I [TS]

01:14:27   don't know if you just want to go with [TS]

01:14:28   realism I if you look at queens today [TS]

01:14:30   it's not it's not it's not very white [TS]

01:14:33   not in the first place so that's just [TS]

01:14:36   that's something that we we have had i [TS]

01:14:40   think literally a dozen white Peter [TS]

01:14:42   Parker's in live-action cartoons and we [TS]

01:14:45   we could have we could have at least [TS]

01:14:46   gone a little less white than the [TS]

01:14:50   English wait not to be racist against [TS]

01:14:53   the English [TS]

01:14:53   I mean we'll have another rebate in five [TS]

01:14:55   years of something yeah absolutely [TS]

01:14:56   weight of the character of color we [TS]

01:14:59   wouldn't need to reboot it so gosh darn [TS]

01:15:00   it [TS]

01:15:01   and while my hope is that given that the [TS]

01:15:04   MCU keeps on stressing on into infinity [TS]

01:15:06   that at some point Miles Morales is [TS]

01:15:08   gonna come into this anyway which i'm ok [TS]

01:15:11   with because i love that character too [TS]

01:15:13   so I just kind of hoping that i was at [TS]

01:15:15   one of the reasons i was excited about [TS]

01:15:16   this very young spider-man is happily [TS]

01:15:18   this opens the door for Kamala Khan yeah [TS]

01:15:20   I mean such as your recruiting children [TS]

01:15:23   to fight your battles now you may as [TS]

01:15:25   well I cross gmail across the river to [TS]

01:15:28   start its truest crime is his use of [TS]

01:15:31   children as superheroes i love it it's [TS]

01:15:34   so is and i'm wrong here's a question [TS]

01:15:36   but that's bugging me since the first [TS]

01:15:38   trailer came out and I've seen it [TS]

01:15:40   cropping up more and more in the last [TS]

01:15:41   week or so when Tony goes yo underoos so [TS]

01:15:47   that means that underoos exist in the [TS]

01:15:49   marvel cinematic universe is on them [TS]

01:15:52   who's on them I pirate hat man and [TS]

01:15:54   superman thank you and your personal Mii [TS]

01:15:57   characters starting soon haha Star Wars [TS]

01:16:00   characters [TS]

01:16:01   yeah that's it we know that the in front [TS]

01:16:03   of a really old movie so let's detail [TS]

01:16:05   the two things that uh that I shouted [TS]

01:16:07   John syracuse add me when I watch this [TS]

01:16:09   movie one of them is that you know that [TS]

01:16:11   apparently Peter like dumpster-dives and [TS]

01:16:13   finds old Max or or goes to goes to a [TS]

01:16:16   like a flea markets and finds old Max [TS]

01:16:19   and fixes them up and mess around with [TS]

01:16:21   its not smart enough to realize he could [TS]

01:16:22   probably sell that thing for some decent [TS]

01:16:24   coin that he will I think that maybe as [TS]

01:16:26   part of his a little side business that [TS]

01:16:28   we're going to learn about so that was a [TS]

01:16:30   nice like classic Mac shoutout for John [TS]

01:16:32   Syracuse and then of course the Empire [TS]

01:16:33   Strikes Back reference which we can we [TS]

01:16:35   can can and have debated whether that [TS]

01:16:37   was a that was a little too much of the [TS]

01:16:39   a really old movie but I thought that [TS]

01:16:43   was a fun i thought it was a fun [TS]

01:16:44   shorthand because everybody gets what [TS]

01:16:46   they're saying they're about here's how [TS]

01:16:48   we turned out here's how we get giant [TS]

01:16:49   man to fall which was really nice and of [TS]

01:16:51   course John siracusa interest rates back [TS]

01:16:53   it's one of his favorite movie so so if [TS]

01:16:55   he's not understand there is spider-man [TS]

01:16:57   is around 14 then the Empire Strikes [TS]

01:16:59   Back was over 20 years old before he was [TS]

01:17:02   born [TS]

01:17:02   yeah oh yeah so for him it is really old [TS]

01:17:04   the art the argument I i think is that [TS]

01:17:06   Erica thinks that was a little too far [TS]

01:17:08   and David thinks that is exactly [TS]

01:17:10   smart-assed enough for him so well I i [TS]

01:17:12   completely agree i think i think that it [TS]

01:17:14   was [TS]

01:17:15   it was it was a battle tactic as much as [TS]

01:17:17   it was him just being himself [TS]

01:17:18   ok so we've got a little bit of time [TS]

01:17:21   left and so my question before we go [TS]

01:17:23   around and just add to a final overview [TS]

01:17:25   of how everybody would rate this movie [TS]

01:17:27   anything we should cover that we haven't [TS]

01:17:28   I feel like we could all lot of ground [TS]

01:17:30   here [TS]

01:17:30   yeah we've covered at least seven [TS]

01:17:33   stories sure one of the things i was [TS]

01:17:35   told is that there are many many [TS]

01:17:38   inconsistencies in all the German and [TS]

01:17:41   uses of general i'm sure doing there [TS]

01:17:43   the GSG 9 is German special forces that [TS]

01:17:46   should have been the Austrian Special [TS]

01:17:47   Forces and lots of James Murray into a [TS]

01:17:50   German [TS]

01:17:50   that's his secret a secret consultant on [TS]

01:17:54   this who was just fuming about all these [TS]

01:17:57   all these references so i have to be [TS]

01:18:00   contractually good that's good i wanted [TS]

01:18:02   to mention John Don Cheadle as ro/di [TS]

01:18:05   interesting thing he does get he does [TS]

01:18:07   get hurt although they show that Tony is [TS]

01:18:09   like making him sort of a walking legs a [TS]

01:18:11   walking suit at the end that's when we [TS]

01:18:13   get the Tony stank line [TS]

01:18:15   I like Don Cheadle uh it's funded that [TS]

01:18:18   he still in these movies because thats [TS]

01:18:20   like a character that they could have [TS]

01:18:21   just ignored and it's nice to have a [TS]

01:18:23   minute as another one [TS]

01:18:25   I don't know if people saw the twitter [TS]

01:18:26   exchange that he did I think yesterday [TS]

01:18:27   where somebody asked why war machine [TS]

01:18:29   doesn't have a little snarky Irish AI in [TS]

01:18:32   his suit and he says I think you know [TS]

01:18:36   the reason and somebody said what [TS]

01:18:38   because Tony wants to keep all the good [TS]

01:18:39   tech to himself and Don Cheadle's [TS]

01:18:41   response was well I was gonna say racism [TS]

01:18:42   but ok I love you but it was good to see [TS]

01:18:48   him it was good to see him in the in the [TS]

01:18:50   movie because I again I i think that's a [TS]

01:18:52   fun character to have have a second you [TS]

01:18:54   Iron Man suit and and that they didn't [TS]

01:18:56   forget about him so and then he gets a [TS]

01:18:58   little tiny very tiny story arc very [TS]

01:19:01   tiny I was quite surprised they didn't [TS]

01:19:02   kill him because me to this Fame seem to [TS]

01:19:05   be setting up that somebody was gonna [TS]

01:19:06   die okay so I'm gonna give a spoiler for [TS]

01:19:08   the comic of Civil War and some of the [TS]

01:19:10   spin-offs at the comic of civil war but [TS]

01:19:12   i have to say my biggest surprise in [TS]

01:19:13   this movie is yeah I thought they would [TS]

01:19:15   kill captain america at the end of it [TS]

01:19:17   and I know that Chris Evans is running [TS]

01:19:18   out of his contract meet you and I [TS]

01:19:20   really thought I thought it was sort of [TS]

01:19:22   setup that was going to be the surprise [TS]

01:19:24   at the end is that is that he's going [TS]

01:19:27   take the shoe and Bucky would take the [TS]

01:19:29   shield and I'm all I'm gonna say [TS]

01:19:30   identifies himself pursue what instead [TS]

01:19:33   what they decided was they want to make [TS]

01:19:34   Avengers infinity war with chris evans [TS]

01:19:36   and they're backing up the truck full of [TS]

01:19:38   money to his house for those two movies [TS]

01:19:39   well i think another part of it is that [TS]

01:19:41   is that Evans has done a bunch of stuff [TS]

01:19:43   that isn't marvel stuff while he was [TS]

01:19:45   kind of grousing about how he felt like [TS]

01:19:47   he should be getting paid more and its [TS]

01:19:49   kind of paint one of the things that I [TS]

01:19:51   don't know has filtered through the the [TS]

01:19:52   chain is that apparently his big his big [TS]

01:19:55   thing was he just really hated all the [TS]

01:19:57   working out that he had to do and it was [TS]

01:19:58   just it was a pain but then he's tried [TS]

01:20:01   doing a bunch of stuff that isn't [TS]

01:20:02   playing Captain America and he's kind of [TS]

01:20:05   realized you know being captain america [TS]

01:20:07   and so bad meal ticket now this could be [TS]

01:20:10   worse [TS]

01:20:11   so we may be yeah don't don't kill me [TS]

01:20:13   off i think i'll resize I think I'll go [TS]

01:20:15   guys [TS]

01:20:15   I think like Robert Downey jr. they have [TS]

01:20:18   both exhausted their contracts which [TS]

01:20:20   means that Marvel has had two reup them [TS]

01:20:22   by movie by movie for larger sums of [TS]

01:20:25   money which is not a bad place to be if [TS]

01:20:27   you're an actor right well Roma Downey [TS]

01:20:29   jr. was saying this week he'd be out for [TS]

01:20:31   a full flow ya lyin man phone like I do [TS]

01:20:34   wonder at some point that their leverage [TS]

01:20:36   is so their leverage is so great it [TS]

01:20:39   it'll be I mean this is something to [TS]

01:20:41   plant for five years from now but at [TS]

01:20:42   some point the marvel cinematic universe [TS]

01:20:44   is going to have to either continue [TS]

01:20:46   without a lot of these key characters [TS]

01:20:47   because they won't want to come back or [TS]

01:20:48   because they're too old or they're going [TS]

01:20:50   to have to sort of close it and then [TS]

01:20:52   like start again and it'll be [TS]

01:20:54   interesting to see how the movie [TS]

01:20:56   franchise deal deals with this because [TS]

01:20:59   like Star Wars can always kind of have [TS]

01:21:01   this continuing story that pushes into [TS]

01:21:02   the future but like you only get Tony [TS]

01:21:05   stark/iron man this one time unless you [TS]

01:21:08   reboot it for me what civil war [TS]

01:21:10   accomplishes the best that other [TS]

01:21:13   superhero movies of late have not is [TS]

01:21:16   that it made it a big deal [TS]

01:21:17   cool deal an event to go out to the [TS]

01:21:20   movies with other people talk about it [TS]

01:21:22   afterward like we're doing right now and [TS]

01:21:24   just have fun and and you know even when [TS]

01:21:27   dealing with sometimes dark or [TS]

01:21:29   complicated or difficult subject matter [TS]

01:21:31   you know find find a an underlying [TS]

01:21:34   spirit of adventure and fun and [TS]

01:21:37   the possible that gives us an escape [TS]

01:21:39   from from everyday life and that's [TS]

01:21:41   that's what they're continuing to crank [TS]

01:21:43   out really well and i don't i don't see [TS]

01:21:46   it [TS]

01:21:46   stopping for them unless they decide [TS]

01:21:48   they need to do six movies a year and [TS]

01:21:50   not pay as much attention to them as [TS]

01:21:52   they currently our team boy says is that [TS]

01:21:54   Moyes is that what you have any more of [TS]

01:21:57   your sort of final verdict that the [TS]

01:21:58   movie because I'm moving into the final [TS]

01:22:00   verdict of the movie phase that's the [TS]

01:22:01   debt that's that's it alright if if if [TS]

01:22:04   you're going to give me an avengers [TS]

01:22:06   movie captain america movie and iron man [TS]

01:22:08   movie a Black Panther movie and a [TS]

01:22:10   co-stars movie all wrapped into one make [TS]

01:22:13   it is coherent and give everybody as [TS]

01:22:15   much of a reason to be on screen as as [TS]

01:22:17   you give them in this movie [TS]

01:22:18   this this is the thing that you should [TS]

01:22:20   be trying to rip off in terms of dynamic [TS]

01:22:23   if you if you are somebody that is [TS]

01:22:24   trying to construct a narrative this [TS]

01:22:25   complex David what your final verdict [TS]

01:22:29   I really liked it it it i thought it [TS]

01:22:33   held together better than the Avengers [TS]

01:22:35   movies which I mean even the first one [TS]

01:22:39   it took me three tries to get through it [TS]

01:22:40   without falling asleep and i like it i [TS]

01:22:43   do like it but I did keep falling asleep [TS]

01:22:45   when an ultra was you know fine it had [TS]

01:22:49   really fun moments that have really long [TS]

01:22:51   boring moments this one I was engaged [TS]

01:22:54   throughout i will i really enjoyed it [TS]

01:22:57   Erica I enjoyed it was it was a fun [TS]

01:22:59   experience of the theater didn't feel as [TS]

01:23:00   long as it was which is a thing I was [TS]

01:23:02   worried about i think it actually just [TS]

01:23:05   makes me look forward to other Marvel [TS]

01:23:08   Cinematic Universe movies more than [TS]

01:23:11   going back to watch this again simply [TS]

01:23:12   because like i said i didn't care about [TS]

01:23:14   Bucky and I this movie actually like [TS]

01:23:17   Steve before this movie and after this [TS]

01:23:19   one I really don't like them so much [TS]

01:23:20   anymore so I'm okay with his contract [TS]

01:23:23   running out and then watching some other [TS]

01:23:24   characters do some other things next [TS]

01:23:26   time alright Steven I think it's it's [TS]

01:23:29   one of my least favorite of the Marvel [TS]

01:23:31   Universe movies actually because what [TS]

01:23:34   Erika said there about me not liking cap [TS]

01:23:36   very much and honestly the the endless [TS]

01:23:39   fight scenes I knew there was going to [TS]

01:23:42   be nothing resolved at them because [TS]

01:23:43   they're friends fighting friends and no [TS]

01:23:45   one's going to [TS]

01:23:45   I and and I have to admit a little bit [TS]

01:23:48   of concern just because they're they're [TS]

01:23:49   having so many characters in their [TS]

01:23:50   introducing new ones with Black Panther [TS]

01:23:52   who I like Doctor Strange and a couple [TS]

01:23:56   others I don't even know if in humans [TS]

01:23:57   are coming and not even sure if that's [TS]

01:23:58   on the board anymore it's not I'm just [TS]

01:24:00   I'm just I'm just worried about the [TS]

01:24:03   whole universe becoming stuff to the [TS]

01:24:06   point where it just becomes unmanageable [TS]

01:24:08   I don't read the comics i only know [TS]

01:24:10   these characters to the movies when the [TS]

01:24:11   Avengers was announced that everyone was [TS]

01:24:13   going crazy i thought they're bringing [TS]

01:24:14   back seat and Peele again I didn't know [TS]

01:24:16   sochi watch the hell yeah they did it [TS]

01:24:20   once it fail so I'm alive a little [TS]

01:24:22   worried about how things are going to [TS]

01:24:24   move into the future there were bits [TS]

01:24:26   about this movie that i like but there's [TS]

01:24:27   lots that I actually really didn't [TS]

01:24:29   James well i mean i'd like to claim like [TS]

01:24:33   so many good things that the film is [TS]

01:24:34   partially Scottish because mark miller [TS]

01:24:37   who wrote the original comic series [TS]

01:24:39   lives somewhere next to my house and [TS]

01:24:42   I've seen him around the streets here so [TS]

01:24:44   I kind of feel like I have to like it on [TS]

01:24:46   that ground but I think I came out of it [TS]

01:24:49   and i really liked it and I thought it [TS]

01:24:51   was significantly better than Ultron and [TS]

01:24:55   then as I've so sat down and analyzed [TS]

01:24:57   and taking a power I actually like it [TS]

01:24:59   slightly less and I'll the thing that [TS]

01:25:02   bothered me the most the two things [TS]

01:25:03   about the most was spider-man who i [TS]

01:25:06   really dislike the betrayal of and the [TS]

01:25:08   fact that Robert Downey jr. was really [TS]

01:25:11   unlikable to me for most of the movie [TS]

01:25:14   but having said that i did enjoy right [TS]

01:25:17   and Lisa well I love that big patriotic [TS]

01:25:19   burrito so I now get google executive [TS]

01:25:27   like a Dorito broad the short he is now [TS]

01:25:29   we're and i thought this movie actually [TS]

01:25:32   did very well by most of its characters [TS]

01:25:34   um i have really mixed feelings about [TS]

01:25:38   Bucky I like the relationship that cap [TS]

01:25:41   has a lucky i've always had mixed [TS]

01:25:43   feelings about how he's portrayed and [TS]

01:25:44   how is cast so I got the color and I do [TS]

01:25:48   think the movie got a little draggy once [TS]

01:25:50   they move to Siberia but there was so [TS]

01:25:52   much about this that was so smart and I [TS]

01:25:54   think that the Russo brothers do a great [TS]

01:25:56   job with the action sequences there [TS]

01:25:58   they're just wonderful [TS]

01:25:59   and there's a surprising amount of hard [TS]

01:26:01   at the movie so I think this is probably [TS]

01:26:03   my top three for the Marvel movies if i [TS]

01:26:05   had to write them and I'm really looking [TS]

01:26:07   forward to going back and seeing it [TS]

01:26:08   again [TS]

01:26:09   yeah I I liked it a lot uh they're like [TS]

01:26:13   James the more I thought about some of [TS]

01:26:15   the things in it the more I i saw sort [TS]

01:26:17   of the scenes of it but in the moment I [TS]

01:26:20   appreciated it [TS]

01:26:21   I said a lot about the Avengers movies [TS]

01:26:23   that i sometimes I grade the Avengers [TS]

01:26:26   movies based on what they're being asked [TS]

01:26:28   to do which is a lot of franchise work [TS]

01:26:31   and servicing lots of characters which [TS]

01:26:33   is very hard to do in in a good way at [TS]

01:26:37   all and i think that the Avengers movies [TS]

01:26:38   both did that but especially the first [TS]

01:26:41   one you could see the strain but it [TS]

01:26:43   managed to keep it all as i thought the [TS]

01:26:45   first Avengers movie was gonna be a [TS]

01:26:46   disaster and the fact that it was not a [TS]

01:26:48   disaster is is impressive [TS]

01:26:51   this movie has to do that too it's not [TS]

01:26:53   it is Captain America movie in some ways [TS]

01:26:55   but it's really doing the job of the [TS]

01:26:57   Avengers movies which is too without you [TS]

01:27:00   uphold the franchise introduce new [TS]

01:27:01   characters and not every Marvel movie [TS]

01:27:04   was like this it would be a terrible [TS]

01:27:05   series but there are lots of stand-alone [TS]

01:27:07   movies and then there's movies where [TS]

01:27:08   everybody gets to play together and I [TS]

01:27:11   think you did a good job I because it [TS]

01:27:14   was it was stuffed but I felt like it [TS]

01:27:16   did a good job with all of the different [TS]

01:27:18   things that were stuffed into it and the [TS]

01:27:20   Russo brothers did such a good job with [TS]

01:27:22   civil war are with a winter soldier I [TS]

01:27:25   think they did I don't think this is as [TS]

01:27:27   good a movie is winter soldier is but i [TS]

01:27:29   think i would have been hard to do [TS]

01:27:30   because it's not as as streamlined as [TS]

01:27:33   even that movie it because it is just [TS]

01:27:35   full of all this stuff but i think they [TS]

01:27:37   did I think they did a good job I I [TS]

01:27:39   definitely came out of it for me [TS]

01:27:41   sometimes the litmus test is do i do I [TS]

01:27:43   leave the movie theater and sometime [TS]

01:27:45   over the next 12 hours think of man i [TS]

01:27:47   wish i could go watch it again and i [TS]

01:27:49   actually did feel that for this movie so [TS]

01:27:50   I guess I i will give it a thumb up i [TS]

01:27:53   don't know where it fits in the in the [TS]

01:27:54   list all right well uh the civil wars in [TS]

01:27:58   the books I i guess uh oh and uh [TS]

01:28:02   that we've talked to see what's it about [TS]

01:28:04   war anyway well if only there were more [TS]

01:28:06   Canadians involved would be much more [TS]

01:28:07   simple as what I'm saying i'd like to [TS]

01:28:09   thank my guests for being here [TS]

01:28:11   Lisa schmeiser thank you thank you this [TS]

01:28:12   is a lot of fun Moises to yawn thank you [TS]

01:28:15   very much for being here [TS]

01:28:16   I don't care if David lord thank you [TS]

01:28:20   thank you I I could do this all day [TS]

01:28:22   james thompson thanks james thompson [TS]

01:28:25   will return 0 blue Eric and sign the [TS]

01:28:30   only Lana can remember is I hate you but [TS]

01:28:33   that sounds so meaty thank you [TS]

01:28:38   how about and does stephen Japan's he [TS]

01:28:40   can you slide that see forward a little [TS]

01:28:41   bit i know the only hope I only hope [TS]

01:28:47   that Stanley has one cameo at least left [TS]

01:28:51   in him so that his last words spoken in [TS]

01:28:52   a Marvel film aren't Tony stink my i [TS]

01:28:56   hope the motion capture him so he's in [TS]

01:28:58   all the movies and now on now [TS]

01:29:00   probably so alright thanks everybody for [TS]

01:29:02   listening to this flash episode about [TS]

01:29:05   captain america civil war we will see [TS]

01:29:07   you next week with episode number 300 [TS]

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