The Incomparable

13: Harry Potter and the Picasso P.I.

 

  the incomparable podcast episode 30 [TS]

  November 2010 [TS]

  we are back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

  easy for me to say i am jason Snell and [TS]

  joining me today in the podcast echo [TS]

  chamber are three of our regular [TS]

  contributors to my left I don't even [TS]

  know what that means is Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann hello hello to my right is [TS]

  Dan more'n I Jason and across the table [TS]

  for me keeping a safe distance is [TS]

  serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hi Jason hello thanks for coming [TS]

  everyone to this stuffed with turkey I [TS]

  suppose we are now me happy thanksgiving [TS]

  dinner delicious how's your state tasty [TS]

  which is our clever media savvy way of [TS]

  pointing out we're recording this before [TS]

  thanksgiving anyway [TS]

  cranberry sauce that's good stuff we are [TS]

  talking today in the ne wake of the [TS]

  release of the seventh harry potter [TS]

  movie we are using that as an excuse to [TS]

  talk about all things Harry Potter the [TS]

  young the young wizard with the with the [TS]

  Lightning shaped scar on his forehead i [TS]

  should also point out that's the seventh [TS]

  movie but it's not the last movie [TS]

  because they decided to take the seventh [TS]

  book and split into two parts and [TS]

  there's a really technical reason why [TS]

  they did that that you may not be [TS]

  familiar with which is to make more [TS]

  money I i heard a good somebody [TS]

  commented the other day like boy I bet [TS]

  Warner Brothers is smacking itself now [TS]

  for not having you know decided to do [TS]

  this with all of the books [TS]

  oh yes except I gotta say the reviews [TS]

  have not been as kind as they've been to [TS]

  some of the other harry potter movies [TS]

  and i think i'd be like everybody mix [TS]

  things but I don't know that but then [TS]

  why is there crying all the way to the [TS]

  back it's so sad [TS]

  well always understands on a break [TS]

  box-office records [TS]

  well I I somebody said that that they [TS]

  thought in the end of that at least [TS]

  artistically they should have done the [TS]

  Lord of the Rings thing and just [TS]

  released it as a three you know [TS]

  three-and-a-half-hour movie but of [TS]

  course they wouldn't make as much money [TS]

  as by splitting into at this point [TS]

  you're so invested I we were driving [TS]

  past the movie theater here that's [TS]

  showing it my wife said hey you know my [TS]

  parents are here for the holiday lets we [TS]

  can go see it and I said oh you know [TS]

  it's sort of you know mixed reviews and [TS]

  all that and she says what you're not [TS]

  going to see it you've seen the first [TS]

  six like I think this is [TS]

  it is only one and you're going to see [TS]

  the last one so how could you skip one [TS]

  so you've got to go to the one where [TS]

  they go camping [TS]

  it's interesting it's interesting to [TS]

  compare this floor of the Rings because [TS]

  the you know the original movies a [TS]

  computer Jackson kept trying to squeeze [TS]

  into something that was actually [TS]

  releasable in theaters now down to one [TS]

  under three-and-a-half workers do [TS]

  something for each part my camera with [TS]

  the longest one was then the director's [TS]

  cut came out you're like oh you know a [TS]

  lot of subtle beautiful scenes were cut [TS]

  in the theater and I think you watch I [TS]

  spent at some point a couple years ago I [TS]

  watched all of the director's cuts of [TS]

  lord of the rings and what is it well [TS]

  over 10 hours 11 hours and and we did [TS]

  every every holiday season in december [TS]

  we will go my wife and I will watch over [TS]

  six consecutive nights we will watch [TS]

  those each disc of the six disc set and [TS]

  it's great it's much and you feel like [TS]

  it's it's less of a choppy tail it's [TS]

  more complete old and so there are some [TS]

  arguments to say for a book as [TS]

  unnecessarily long as harry potter 70 [TS]

  interruptions I'm split into two parts [TS]

  to tell the story well in the theaters [TS]

  and then we'll add another hour for the [TS]

  caps to the DVD this will be a seven [TS]

  hour extravaganza goes to watch 7 when [TS]

  it's out the directors that yeah so it [TS]

  isn't it is a huge book and so they [TS]

  decided to break it into two and and the [TS]

  you know the the criticism i hear about [TS]

  the movie before we backtrack and talk [TS]

  about the books it is that uh you know [TS]

  it's just it is a setup of of part two [TS]

  but then again I thought that way about [TS]

  the sixth movie to be honest the six [TS]

  movie felt to me like episode 6 of an [TS]

  eight-episode TV series or season not [TS]

  like a self-contained movie I felt like [TS]

  it was unlike many of the earlier movies [TS]

  I felt like even with the sixth [TS]

  installment we we are really you know [TS]

  giving up on any pretense of this being [TS]

  anything but an installment well i would [TS]

  argue very much that both the six movie [TS]

  and this this first part of the seventh [TS]

  movie are much more character studies [TS]

  than actual plots with beginning middle [TS]

  and end it's just like all right you [TS]

  know these characters now let's spend [TS]

  some time learning more of their quirks [TS]

  perhaps rather than you actually wanted [TS]

  to know well I mean and that goes back [TS]

  to it being feeling that TV feel of like [TS]

  you know what you're really doing is [TS]

  spending some time with characters which [TS]

  is what T [TS]

  he does better than movies in general is [TS]

  that you get to spend a lot of time with [TS]

  them and and this is a unique experience [TS]

  where you've got over a fairly [TS]

  compressed period of time eight movies [TS]

  with the same characters you don't even [TS]

  in traditional movie series like the [TS]

  star trek for things like that it's it's [TS]

  takes up way more time to go through it [TS]

  and an email david because their kids [TS]

  young actors they've had to compress it [TS]

  right i mean Star Trek's you know one [TS]

  through six went from like the late [TS]

  seventies to through the early 90s for [TS]

  six movies and so they've done i [TS]

  remember when the first harry potter [TS]

  came out and going to see it and it was [TS]

  just wow how are they gonna you know do [TS]

  this to keep pace and of course you know [TS]

  pretty quickly the inevitable Oh [TS]

  everybody starting to look way older [TS]

  than their characters sort of comes into [TS]

  play but I mean honestly I i know that [TS]

  never bothered me that much coming [TS]

  especially growing up having watched [TS]

  chose were like clearly there were high [TS]

  school you know age kids being played by [TS]

  people who are in their thirties or [TS]

  whatever so you know I've been willing [TS]

  to let that slide I think that they did [TS]

  a pretty good job of picking people who [TS]

  really did you know [TS]

  excellent work bringing those characters [TS]

  to life and I think runs right that it [TS]

  really is more I mean the interest of [TS]

  harry potter in general i find to be the [TS]

  characters unless you know I don't think [TS]

  the plots or anything necessarily to [TS]

  write home about it's kind of a [TS]

  archetypal plot right growling it's you [TS]

  know rally introduces like a thousand do [TS]

  characters in every book too so it [TS]

  that's part of the problem i think [TS]

  making movies work is you really need to [TS]

  pare down the number of characters on [TS]

  screen and you know some movies better [TS]

  than others and I think the you know [TS]

  that the early movies the first to wear [TS]

  what was that Chris Columbus director [TS]

  the first two is that right yeah right [TS]

  and those were much more like we've torn [TS]

  pages out the book and paste them on the [TS]

  movie screen they weren't bad and they [TS]

  were well realized that everything was a [TS]

  little first week and thin and let you [TS]

  know that the first two movies the first [TS]

  two books are also the shortest by far [TS]

  its it's true but even so I think they [TS]

  had a worse job in those at making the [TS]

  actually you know summarizing or not [TS]

  summarizing but you felt they were [TS]

  summaries as opposed to re working into [TS]

  a new medium of something it seem like [TS]

  very much like if I was an author [TS]

  instead of having someone rework my work [TS]

  I just rather than take [TS]

  pages from it and put it on the screen [TS]

  and felt very much like that then when [TS]

  you got into of course not forgetting [TS]

  his name who directed the next Alfonso [TS]

  Quran yeah and his films where they are [TS]

  much more beautiful rich deep nuanced [TS]

  and He shed and shed and shit i wonder [TS]

  how much of a battle it was to let [TS]

  things go and then you see back again in [TS]

  six and seven part one that there's you [TS]

  know this tendency to set and you know [TS]

  let's let's talk about seven part one [TS]

  that there are so many characters and so [TS]

  many terrific actors who aren't screen [TS]

  for like five seconds I'm take me like [TS]

  there's David Thewlis week he's gone [TS]

  oh there's no no no we know Blanco hope [TS]

  she's got a line that's very funny and [TS]

  now she's gone and I feel like there's [TS]

  about 50 actors in harry potter second [TS]

  part 1 that that are just fleeting on [TS]

  screen because it seemed like they must [TS]

  and even so they pare down [TS]

  it seemed like they had to get them in [TS]

  there so they stuck him in there partly [TS]

  to have to pay off in part two and [TS]

  partly because maybe the audience would [TS]

  have felt cheated not have that glimpse [TS]

  of the islands of form Wormtail or [TS]

  something you gotta balance all [TS]

  characters i think like pretty much all [TS]

  of the characters besides our main crew [TS]

  are all in the first 1 30 minutes so it [TS]

  balances out with the two hours of [TS]

  camping with that does every is always [TS]

  an exegesis in these large you know epic [TS]

  swear there's just camping I mean Lord [TS]

  of the Rings book 56 it's like and [TS]

  they're camping it's like this every [TS]

  author have this urge to write about mud [TS]

  and dirt and danken Swedes I don't know [TS]

  I gotta say when I was watching a gun [TS]

  and I are really only two people who [TS]

  have seen the movie right now you [TS]

  haven't seen it yet Dan have you seen it [TS]

  yet you haven't seen yet Jason well now [TS]

  that it's after thanksgiving are Tina [TS]

  but it does it's not coming to me [TS]

  yeah you'd seen it a hundred i CH in a [TS]

  future timeline that thing that really [TS]

  like cracked me up is that of course [TS]

  Harry Ron and Hermione are all walking [TS]

  around in modern-day clothing in these [TS]

  big epic you know Lord of the Rings Ian [TS]

  type shots and I'm I didn't really [TS]

  realize that while reading the book and [TS]

  now watching on-screen I'm like man this [TS]

  looks really ridiculous or 230 skinny [TS]

  other and skinny [TS]

  jeans and sweaters standing on like the [TS]

  cliffs of you know [TS]

  yea though I liked when it i forget [TS]

  which movie it was i think i might have [TS]

  been off onto corals movies where they [TS]

  put them they took them out of their [TS]

  sort of Wizarding robes and put them in [TS]

  modern you know track like tracksuits [TS]

  and things like that and i thought i [TS]

  thought that was a great decision [TS]

  because it could have gotten really thuy [TS]

  and really just wizardy and it it didn't [TS]

  if I think it anchors it and that's one [TS]

  of the things i always liked about the [TS]

  later books as I felt like there was [TS]

  more of a relationship with the [TS]

  quote-unquote real world which set this [TS]

  apart from something like Lord of the [TS]

  Rings which you know is fine everything [TS]

  but I I you know this is fundamentally [TS]

  in the later ones is really a story [TS]

  about you know parallel worlds if not [TS]

  parallel universes city and the know [TS]

  haha that's the hogwarts and the muggle [TS]

  city and the other city [TS]

  well I thought that was what was easily [TS]

  dismissed to like the you know I thought [TS]

  that I i thought one of the best jersey [TS]

  scenes at all seven books is when the [TS]

  dursleys take their leave of haryanvi [TS]

  bookseven I thought we'd get a moment of [TS]

  reflection there I thought they open it [TS]

  slow step back have that great moment [TS]

  with Dudley which is I think a beautiful [TS]

  woman in the book so it stands out it [TS]

  gives him briefly three-dimensionality [TS]

  out of you know pretty much the entire [TS]

  series which is a cartoon a bully and I [TS]

  don't like that and then in the movie i [TS]

  think for interest of narrative [TS]

  continuity in parallel ism between [TS]

  hermione and ron and harry they just [TS]

  sort of glossed over it to get into the [TS]

  story proper so there-there is that too [TS]

  everything is very fast I mean [TS]

  everything's always they they always [TS]

  open the film's very fast when you look [TS]

  at them sort of as a whole it's always [TS]

  true up we gotta get him [TS]

  we gotta get him out of the dursleys we [TS]

  gotta get him out go-go-go and always [TS]

  always rushing but I'm even in the first [TS]

  half hours that stuff the first movie [TS]

  spend a lot of time with addresses and I [TS]

  actually think it's its side to try to [TS]

  set up that kind of story but at the [TS]

  same time it is kind of painful the [TS]

  amount of time they do spend before [TS]

  Hagrid you know Bruce into the room on [TS]

  the top of the rock and says it's your [TS]

  birthday it they do spend a lot of time [TS]

  one of the fun things about the jerseys [TS]

  I think their way [TS]

  broader there even broader if this can [TS]

  be possible in the movies than they are [TS]

  in the books [TS]

  that's true and but in the books one of [TS]

  the things I love about the the dursleys [TS]

  is is that it's such a roald dahl knock [TS]

  off and i love it because i love reading [TS]

  roald dahl as a kid especially James and [TS]

  the Giant Peach and I know there's a [TS]

  probably a tradition in in literature [TS]

  especially among English authors of [TS]

  these kind of awful aunts and uncles but [TS]

  the harry potter is is james from james [TS]

  the giant peach to me in many ways when [TS]

  we when we first meet him with the with [TS]

  the awful you know his parents are dead [TS]

  room under the stairs that was to that [TS]

  creep you out in number seven when he's [TS]

  looking at that room and you're like [TS]

  Jesus guys six-foot-tall he lived in [TS]

  there and it suddenly seemed really like [TS]

  it's sort of creepy in the books but [TS]

  you're like in context it's weird and [TS]

  whatever you're like not good but then [TS]

  when you see the light of day it's like [TS]

  oh that's child abuse isn't the same [TS]

  time I mean I will say in the film they [TS]

  have a really nice touching moment and [TS]

  kind of it is creepy and it is weird [TS]

  where you're like man he lived there but [TS]

  at the same time like when he there's a [TS]

  there's a moment in the film we just [TS]

  everything sort of pauses for a second [TS]

  he just takes a moment to open the [TS]

  cupboard door and look in to where he [TS]

  slept it's kind of like all we're seeing [TS]

  character growth here however small were [TS]

  the captured moment so let's shift gears [TS]

  a little bit of the books have had you [TS]

  all read the books [TS]

  yes all those numbers a while oh i just [TS]

  reread them all by accident I wife by [TS]

  the way we did you trip and family and [TS]

  your I'll were were run over all the [TS]

  books it was like Tron almost only [TS]

  infinitely more tedious know so this [TS]

  woody allen's story like that projected [TS]

  into the books [TS]

  no I was my wife picked up and started [TS]

  reading through the books and she made [TS]

  of time she got busy with your children [TS]

  all and i started reading through them [TS]

  apparently don't raise children and [TS]

  wound up over the course of months like [TS]

  going through all seven again you know [TS]

  rather quickly in some cases i was [TS]

  curious how well they held up and some [TS]

  did better than others [TS]

  you know i'm struck again by reading it [TS]

  that clearly after the first book or to [TS]

  you that [TS]

  rolling contract said not a word that I [TS]

  right shall be touched nor remove it [TS]

  because you know there's awkward things [TS]

  there are continuity errors in the books [TS]

  some of which were fixed in later [TS]

  editions and such as the the primary [TS]

  content and content EU whatever it is [TS]

  the last spell cast out of the wand [TS]

  that's very unix-like tell me the last [TS]

  several commands run in this wand and [TS]

  then there's the problem with book seven [TS]

  which is that she introduces major new [TS]

  automatic elements previously not even [TS]

  foreshadowed now having reread them [TS]

  recently [TS]

  there is not a hint of most of the new [TS]

  stuff in book seven it's as if she's [TS]

  like well I'm kind of bored so instead [TS]

  of just finishing this thing I wrote i'm [TS]

  going to create a whole new thing and so [TS]

  you recall in the books and the movies [TS]

  this was hilarious moment where Ron's [TS]

  like wait a minute we got to get a whole [TS]

  bunch more stuff we order to get like [TS]

  five Horcruxes now we have to get like [TS]

  these three deathly hallows like what [TS]

  the hell's going on and you know if I [TS]

  felt like there was real sense of [TS]

  reading it as a whole in reading 3,000 [TS]

  pages that it could have used some [TS]

  trimming and it does hold up really well [TS]

  as a rollicking good stories but there [TS]

  are stretches that get tedious simply [TS]

  because I don't think she took the [TS]

  effort or was willing to have the effort [TS]

  taken to tighten up [TS]

  well she could definitely I mean early [TS]

  on you can see that she's learning as a [TS]

  writer that uh you know she she starts [TS]

  out and the quite honestly the writing [TS]

  isn't very solid she she does love her [TS]

  adverbs uh but uh but it does everybody [TS]

  get a bad they get a battle but she does [TS]

  I mean it's how many times you know Ron [TS]

  Hermione shouted you know frustratedly [TS]

  or something like that was like that you [TS]

  I think we got it [TS]

  JK i think we figured out she was [TS]

  frustrated from what she said you didn't [TS]

  really need to throw in how she said it [TS]

  like stage direction she does that's [TS]

  like one of the least enjoyable things I [TS]

  think about her pro so she gets better [TS]

  in that sense but you did you write you [TS]

  trade that for this I'm an incredibly [TS]

  successful author so you know don't [TS]

  touch my stuff and you know who knows [TS]

  how much an editor worked on that stuff [TS]

  but you do get the sense that that there [TS]

  was nobody there [TS]

  to say you know JK did you know this [TS]

  doesn't really this doesn't really work [TS]

  or they said it and she said Matt it's [TS]

  what I want to do this is a good thing [TS]

  we all for our editors we work with [TS]

  writers pros i mean i spent a lot more [TS]

  time writing that anything i think we [TS]

  all the different balance in that but I [TS]

  spent a lot of time having my work [TS]

  edited by terrific editors suck-up [TS]

  suck-up and also editing stuff by other [TS]

  people and you know there's definitely [TS]

  there's such a thing as a gift of [TS]

  editing if it's done without ego and I [TS]

  feel like she and I don't have anything [TS]

  against her personally I think she seems [TS]

  like a lovely person for someone to [TS]

  suddenly become a billionaire and not [TS]

  become a total jerk it's pretty amazing [TS]

  it's a terrible [TS]

  it's like a curse making that much money [TS]

  all of a sudden I know some people who [TS]

  suddenly became vastly wealthy the.com [TS]

  time it is not necessarily good for you [TS]

  so I have nothing against her personally [TS]

  but definitely as a as a writer I think [TS]

  it would have proved her to have [TS]

  developed a strong relationship with an [TS]

  editor who would have helped her make [TS]

  her really incredibly terrific ideas [TS]

  even better and we didn't stop anyone [TS]

  from reading them but I think when you [TS]

  look at all these books survive the ages [TS]

  and a hundred years we read this the way [TS]

  or should say hundred years but you know [TS]

  it's 60 years it will reduce the way we [TS]

  lord of the rings and I question that I [TS]

  think these may appear dated and bloated [TS]

  and other books may take their place [TS]

  because of that lack of of I think of [TS]

  depth in producing something that has I [TS]

  don't know that isn't its citizens [TS]

  bloated as for the lack of a better word [TS]

  I don't know lord of the rings that it [TS]

  has has a lot of bloated and gold yeah [TS]

  girls are you I'd like Lord but I don't [TS]

  like gonna bring up but i don't think it [TS]

  necessarily have tom bombadil was the [TS]

  worst missing piece for me in your 141 [TS]

  in 10 11 10 [TS]

  well you read dan any thoughts about [TS]

  that with you heard you guys are just [TS]

  destroyed it was like yeah you do is to [TS]

  kill involving like it carefully my head [TS]

  and shaking it it's just I mean you know [TS]

  I think I readily yeah I was one of [TS]

  those people who read started reading [TS]

  harry potter and there are a lot of [TS]

  people criticizing it because I you know [TS]

  definitely knew a lot of people are like [TS]

  i'll come on yeah that's for kids or [TS]

  whatever and i don't know i guess i [TS]

  didn't spend a lot of time thinking [TS]

  extra [TS]

  really critically about them in terms of [TS]

  you know how they were constructed or [TS]

  the skill that went into the just [TS]

  because i found the story so engrossed [TS]

  own i have noted i think speaks for I [TS]

  didn't notice the bad writing know [TS]

  whatever I still don't necessarily think [TS]

  about it is until i started reading them [TS]

  aloud to my children because i read them [TS]

  all and i started reading before I had [TS]

  kids and I just enjoyed the story and [TS]

  then yeah you read anything out loud and [TS]

  you will get a perspective on it that is [TS]

  it that's about the best way to take [TS]

  something apart is to read it out loud [TS]

  and and I really noticed and now we're [TS]

  reading the fourth book and you know [TS]

  she's a lot better in the third and [TS]

  fourth books as a writer then she wasn't [TS]

  the first couple but she also was more [TS]

  expansive and maybe that's good that she [TS]

  felt like she she could fill in all the [TS]

  details of this world because [TS]

  fundamentally I think the best thing [TS]

  about JK Rowling as a writing talent is [TS]

  world-building and universal create [TS]

  absolutely the thing right and and with [TS]

  a third book that that switch gets [TS]

  flipped where it seems like she's been [TS]

  given carte blanche now just fill the [TS]

  world and tell your story and that and [TS]

  it's and rape it's impossible to deny [TS]

  that she's great she's fantastic coming [TS]

  up with all these and I know you're [TS]

  talking about all the additional [TS]

  characters they get thrown in there but [TS]

  she's great at coming up with all these [TS]

  characters right i mean there are so [TS]

  many memorable characters who even if [TS]

  they only appear for you know a moment [TS]

  or one of the books you know there are [TS]

  people who stick in your head better [TS]

  only after hearing that madam Rosmerta [TS]

  who is a minor character again she has a [TS]

  significant role at least one of the [TS]

  books and you know i can picture her i [TS]

  have seen in the movies but I can [TS]

  picture that character even though i'm [TS]

  sure she appears on you know 20 pages in [TS]

  the entire set of thousands [TS]

  I you know I like I I've always been a [TS]

  fan of Gilderoy Lockhart just because I [TS]

  don't know he's so over-the-top but he's [TS]

  so well Don me so hilarious and kenneth [TS]

  branagh was was awesome money and a [TS]

  rather I didn't write back write did [TS]

  they bring them but does need in this [TS]

  work she hasn't yet look see as he comes [TS]

  back right now because have the Beast [TS]

  Olivier to the right but they break but [TS]

  they bring back which I thought was [TS]

  great because it's like hey remember him [TS]

  he was like wind and she does that with [TS]

  a lot of them to like but like there's a [TS]

  lot of characters who are minor [TS]

  characters or come up in one of the [TS]

  earlier books who then resurfaced [TS]

  briefly later on Sunday [TS]

  cameo yes oh yeah i'm gonna read [TS]

  something I have a reputation for giving [TS]

  me a hard time about being the youngest [TS]

  person in the room that's the mob [TS]

  working a prodigy but you actually are [TS]

  doing 15 years old [TS]

  no no I didn't say that now the rest of [TS]

  us when we start reading harry potter we [TS]

  were all you know in our twenties or can [TS]

  we help with you when you start reading [TS]

  Harry Potter did you do your present [TS]

  when did you first come out 90 late [TS]

  nineties yeah late nineties i would have [TS]

  been a teenager I would have been I [TS]

  think because i remember getting a copy [TS]

  of the first book when I was still in my [TS]

  freshman or sophomore year of college so [TS]

  I have been 18 or 19 when I could say [TS]

  you were actually literally a kid when [TS]

  the first book came out did you read it [TS]

  at that time and do you read it [TS]

  differently of you reread it differently [TS]

  now than when you read it at that time i [TS]

  mean i will say that i started reading i [TS]

  started reading when the second book [TS]

  came out and I was on age with the [TS]

  characters while lose were coming out [TS]

  just not to date myself but so I was [TS]

  actually i was reading through at around [TS]

  there's a couple other words like the [TS]

  books to jump ahead and then i would [TS]

  jump ahead and just depended on release [TS]

  schedule and stuff like that and i think [TS]

  by the time the seventh book come out [TS]

  the timespan had I had grown older at [TS]

  that point but it was very very [TS]

  interesting because I literally grew up [TS]

  with the books and I like when i first [TS]

  got ahold of them i remember being the [TS]

  backseat of my cousin's car and she she [TS]

  was reading I think the second book at [TS]

  the time and I at that point was just [TS]

  such a voracious reader where if I [TS]

  didn't have a book i would sit and look [TS]

  over somebody's shoulder can read while [TS]

  they were reading and get mad because [TS]

  they wouldn't flip the page fast enough [TS]

  and I'd be done so i just be sitting and [TS]

  like all right now i wanted i want to [TS]

  read more of the story so when she put [TS]

  the book down i basically stole it in [TS]

  the course of like two hours [TS]

  crushed it because I was just so eager [TS]

  to actually it's like this book is [TS]

  interesting it's fascinating and reading [TS]

  it like those little those little pieces [TS]

  from then on I was completely hooked and [TS]

  I went back and read the first and then [TS]

  kind of just I i went to a couple of the [TS]

  mid lighten that releases I think more [TS]

  fun of midnight releases then you know [TS]

  anything else but I mean definitely as I [TS]

  grew older I mean here okay here's my [TS]

  terrible shameful secret is that [TS]

  I used to edit harry potter fanfiction [TS]

  oh there we go [TS]

  secrets all right now we're getting [TS]

  somewhere to yes [TS]

  31 cast know we are we've made it so [TS]

  that was a hold of this podcast was to [TS]

  get you to confess to you that there's [TS]

  an intervention program because there is [TS]

  actually harry potter fanfiction that i [TS]

  have written somewhere on the internet [TS]

  but i'm not telling anybody wear [TS]

  something to hold on the major under sin [TS]

  rolled well [TS]

  wow that I mean it's just I it's I only [TS]

  say it because it really is about the [TS]

  world-building like terms of in terms of [TS]

  her stories I mean looking at her books [TS]

  now and like I haven't reread them since [TS]

  the last book came out which is what was [TS]

  that 2007-2008 was three years ago [TS]

  wasn't yeah 2007 i think but i mean i [TS]

  remember everyone has been recording [TS]

  this it was just three days ago for that [TS]

  far ahead we are special i but I mean I [TS]

  i haven't read the books in a couple [TS]

  years so and I've definitely grown a lot [TS]

  in terms of like looking at pros and [TS]

  things like that but I mean before I [TS]

  mean the last time out of there are [TS]

  serious flaws and I mean I know I [TS]

  noticed that even while reading it [TS]

  through the first time its like you read [TS]

  it you read it when you first get it at [TS]

  the midnight screening and you read it [TS]

  in six hours and you're like oh my god [TS]

  this is great and then you go back and [TS]

  you do the second read over the course [TS]

  of a couple days really like ingesting [TS]

  the information and you're like well I [TS]

  mean there are some good things the [TS]

  fourth book is a complete mess [TS]

  Maria work just meanders all over the [TS]

  poly-si as I'm reading it just now this [TS]

  will be an interesting ride for me and [TS]

  my kids [TS]

  yeah it's it's a very interesting book [TS]

  to read out loud [TS]

  actually that was talking with the [TS]

  fourth book is that stottlemyre oh yeah [TS]

  which is just try wizard what like [TS]

  everything we told you the last three [TS]

  books is now incorrect and accept [TS]

  accented and different [TS]

  yes which is such a shame i mean [TS]

  although it has one of the best I are [TS]

  probably my favorite ending of any of [TS]

  the books yes really yes because it's [TS]

  the pivot point for the entire series [TS]

  right now that's the point at which all [TS]

  of a sudden everything is real that was [TS]

  that was the Stars first Harry Potter [TS]

  book where [TS]

  I i caught up to the store its story and [TS]

  there were no more books yet and i [TS]

  remember reading that on a vacation and [TS]

  my wife had already read it and I turned [TS]

  to her after the end of that book and I [TS]

  said all things aren't looking good for [TS]

  our friends and it was like a real [TS]

  cliffhanger because the next book wasn't [TS]

  out yet and so yeah it'll be interesting [TS]

  to see how it how it goes fortunately [TS]

  it's so long that it will probably be a [TS]

  year before my kids and I finish it [TS]

  yeah well i mean i will say have having [TS]

  read the books when they were current [TS]

  like that and having to wait [TS]

  the couple years I mean you get you get [TS]

  very anxious about where these things [TS]

  are going because it really is as I said [TS]

  about the world and everybody was being [TS]

  saying about about the world of the [TS]

  characters and I think that's why harry [TS]

  potter had such a giant and fiction [TS]

  based as well as it was like all right [TS]

  JK Rowling you're taking three and a [TS]

  half years to write your book so we're [TS]

  gonna write a different story [TS]

  more interestingly for you it was for [TS]

  the same reason that star wars had such [TS]

  as exactly popular one right so then [TS]

  what what kind of stuff would you would [TS]

  you would you do I mean you don't have [TS]

  to go into detail but just curious what [TS]

  caught your attention you wanna you know [TS]

  what was the stuff that you wanted to [TS]

  fill in fill in the gap right now i mean [TS]

  the community that I worked with [TS]

  primarily was actually very much on me [TS]

  on the older generation and not so much [TS]

  about Harry Ron and Hermione but and on [TS]

  the minor characters on open the loop in [TS]

  Sirius Black [TS]

  I've calories yeah well not so much [TS]

  tonks because she hadn't really when I [TS]

  was doing she hadn't even been drawn [TS]

  she's a little generational she's [TS]

  younger than loop in there quite a bit [TS]

  younger the answer is too but I mean [TS]

  also she comes she's introduced in the [TS]

  fourth or fifth book i think very very [TS]

  and at the time i think i started doing [TS]

  it around the time of the third book so [TS]

  as it relates to a younger woman who [TS]

  associates with a bunch of older guys so [TS]

  that's that it's a James it is it is it [TS]

  you know James Potter and his and his [TS]

  men rather well I mean it was like some [TS]

  some of the stuff that we worked on was [TS]

  actually like nineteen seventies era [TS]

  them in school that kind of thing and [TS]

  then I one of the fan bases that I [TS]

  worked with kind of branched off into [TS]

  this whole kind of alternative universe [TS]

  where it's like oh well [TS]

  Voldemort was never defeated [TS]

  and these characters are all still alive [TS]

  and are dealing with the premise of what [TS]

  happened basically if you didn't go away [TS]

  for ten years and like all of the stuff [TS]

  that I i was always attracted to working [TS]

  on all of the not so much like the main [TS]

  cannon stuff but all these minor [TS]

  characters and getting to play with [TS]

  these minor characters and really give [TS]

  them a life that they otherwise don't [TS]

  have within weeks themselves universe [TS]

  there's a recurring theme there too [TS]

  which is I guess your people see [TS]

  something as you find out you know Harry [TS]

  they're facing immediate threat always [TS]

  and it's like wait a minute you know [TS]

  voldemort was actually a problem [TS]

  30 years ago it was a problem fifty [TS]

  years ago and there was was a [TS]

  grindelwald don't matter that you know [TS]

  he was 60 or 80 years ago and of course [TS]

  there's going to be a recurring pattern [TS]

  of some evil wizard rising to the top [TS]

  attempting to destroy the mobile world [TS]

  to seize power and it's this it's this [TS]

  cycle and I don't think she explores [TS]

  that theme as deeply in the book I mean [TS]

  it's there and she's consciously using [TS]

  it clearly to weave these stories to [TS]

  make Harry have more sympathy with his [TS]

  father have more sympathy with uh with [TS]

  Dumbledore and Dumbledore occupied a [TS]

  role precisely like Harry but without [TS]

  the friend you know Harry out of your [TS]

  friendship with Baltimore obviously that [TS]

  would have been cute you know voldemort [TS]

  area are great friends until one day he [TS]

  killed all I mean in some ways I think [TS]

  that sort of jobs with my all my long [TS]

  jesting theory bet i mean i'm curious to [TS]

  see what growling does post harry potter [TS]

  and I know she did she did a brief we [TS]

  should be a book that was kinda like a [TS]

  harry potter related book the little [TS]

  harder yeah and I sort of always thought [TS]

  well she'll probably go on and do [TS]

  something else [TS]

  it probably won't be as high like not [TS]

  that it won't be you know have its own [TS]

  merits or whatever but it's hard to [TS]

  follow up on something that has been [TS]

  such a phenomenon right and should i do [TS]

  is Michigan George Lucas are working [TS]

  together and so basically yeah so I [TS]

  visit her going off in like coming up [TS]

  with some of the books and like they're [TS]

  okay but they're not harry potter and [TS]

  then eventually in like 10 years she [TS]

  writes you know prequels to hear popular [TS]

  no yeah she actually is she is quoted in [TS]

  a i want to say it's like an Oprah thing [TS]

  but it's a she was quoted as saying that [TS]

  she has ideas for three more books that [TS]

  are Harry Potter books and she doesn't [TS]

  know if she [TS]

  overwrite them but she might and this is [TS]

  funny but only because of course you [TS]

  might say that except she said when the [TS]

  door open when the seventh book came out [TS]

  she said seven outs and that's it and [TS]

  yeah the doors swing open and it would [TS]

  not surprise me link and get the st. [TS]

  George Lucas the same thing you went [TS]

  back and forth the years about how many [TS]

  actually rather be sequels and prequels [TS]

  though I I'd really rather have her take [TS]

  off up from where she left off and that [TS]

  in the epilogue of the seventh book and [TS]

  Terry gets a job and you go through [TS]

  midlife crisis little bored he chose [TS]

  there's no Dark Lord defy lens point [TS]

  there's always another evil wizard to [TS]

  fight right so what are you waiting to [TS]

  pull out lord of the rings that was [TS]

  insulting thing was I read his letters [TS]

  at some point that were published in i [TS]

  believe it was in there someone said why [TS]

  don't you write more and he said well [TS]

  you know everything is declined this [TS]

  sort of in in in lord of the rings on [TS]

  the books and the movies you know it's [TS]

  every minute is a little bit less than [TS]

  one before the grand jury is diminishing [TS]

  so rapidly you know everything is [TS]

  leading the world which was once a thing [TS]

  of beauty and terror becomes very [TS]

  mundane that sort of the the tolkien [TS]

  thing and so he said you know well after [TS]

  the defeat of Sauron there's no handle [TS]

  elves leave and everything sort of [TS]

  receipts like what would a book after [TS]

  that BB kids playing at being works or [TS]

  something like we very boring and so [TS]

  that's part of the concern is Baltimore [TS]

  it was you don't want to swallow up the [TS]

  earth and destroy death and so forth [TS]

  like what you know what's next a guy [TS]

  with runs you know has terrible curses [TS]

  or something I don't know what's hard to [TS]

  top without going more minuscule more [TS]

  more situational and I want to see with [TS]

  Harry dealing with the like the [TS]

  mundanity of an everyday job that that [TS]

  was just you know he works he's like a [TS]

  middle-management actually right Dan [TS]

  youyou a fan of detective stories right [TS]

  isn't being in or isn't he basically [TS]

  like a wizard private was will not drive [TS]

  and I but he's like wizard wizard cop [TS]

  wizard everything so we should do the [TS]

  wizard like he'll become kills you to [TS]

  shop there it will get divorced from [TS]

  jenny he'll start drinking will be all [TS]

  grizzled we don't have to make a home [TS]

  out of retirement [TS]

  no no I want your badge [TS]

  and your wand on my desk with Nexus 6 [TS]

  models that come back and you just you [TS]

  just want Harry Potter's Terriers [TS]

  basically yes always don't want [TS]

  everything I i think there's you know [TS]

  Harry investigate something and it turns [TS]

  out to be something greater and more [TS]

  threatening and and he ido and he has to [TS]

  call on are some people who are familiar [TS]

  who are now at Hogwarts and you know [TS]

  what the other thing would be would be [TS]

  the opposite is the way to write this up [TS]

  school books because we're giving [TS]

  rolling suggestions yeah it is it's the [TS]

  it's the what happened with the x-men [TS]

  movies also it's the once the sort of [TS]

  internal threads that with you deal with [TS]

  the external which is that everyone in [TS]

  the muggle world another world finds out [TS]

  about wizards and sets out to [TS]

  exterminate them you know just got a [TS]

  little bored or path that has been taken [TS]

  or and bear with me on this [TS]

  there's a crystal skull ha ha ha me [TS]

  first by chance [TS]

  um there was a kingdom I mean right i [TS]

  don't know if you can you can you can [TS]

  follow me on this one and some pyramids [TS]

  an alienware monkeys of magic around all [TS]

  the monkeys [TS]

  why do we have waited mother's efforts [TS]

  at does happen sadly no there are no so [TS]

  magical world is without sampling so [TS]

  that is my that is my biggest the [TS]

  biggest load Harry Potter books is no [TS]

  Zeppelin's except in the movie there are [TS]

  Zeppelin flowers [TS]

  alright spoiler goes up LOM so-so ginny [TS]

  weasley you brought up jenny i wanted to [TS]

  ask about the relationships and the [TS]

  Harry Potter books because for a long [TS]

  time I really thought that it was it was [TS]

  the you know Harry Hermione relationship [TS]

  was the obvious one and and then it was [TS]

  fascinating to see that beast you know [TS]

  steered away to run and Hermione and and [TS]

  looking back to notice that that yeah [TS]

  Jenny weasley is kind of kicking around [TS]

  from Star need like from the get-go in [TS]

  any idea to try always the first time [TS]

  she season I always thought I I never [TS]

  thought for a minute that hermione and [TS]

  harry were going to become involved [TS]

  because it didn't seem I mean that the [TS]

  thing the the relationship between her [TS]

  and Ron just the way that they rub each [TS]

  other the wrong way constantly is such a [TS]

  great you know example of you know a [TS]

  weapon year old boys and girls [TS]

  right constantly at each other's throats [TS]

  and of course it's all just you know [TS]

  they have you know these these childhood [TS]

  crushes on each other i mean it i think [TS]

  she captured that beautifully and I [TS]

  think it never you know it never really [TS]

  seemed to make sense for for Harry in [TS]

  the same way that you know that Luke [TS]

  Skywalker is never going to end up with [TS]

  Princess Leia right other than mr. tank [TS]

  but i think there's definitely a you [TS]

  know and i think they brought in Jimmy [TS]

  there is you know the best friend's [TS]

  sister whatever to provide that level of [TS]

  like tension between harry and his best [TS]

  friend but it also yeah it's alluded to [TS]

  from book one or two right was a [TS]

  two-person first comes up well because [TS]

  he plays a major part netbook to yeah [TS]

  you guys right because she gets she gets [TS]

  ya possessed by Tom Riddle's diary and [TS]

  taken down into the lair of the of the [TS]

  well I guess it's the chamber of secrets [TS]

  or something you know and I mean really [TS]

  once you rescue a girl from a giant [TS]

  basilisk I mean what's what other [TS]

  courses that right my hero my wife you [TS]

  know whether the basket [TS]

  well take it was there was this it was a [TS]

  garter snake but why did have always [TS]

  take a sword harrison was a whole was [TS]

  lying in the grass but it looked like a [TS]

  snake but it was more i should warn [TS]

  anybody who's going to go see part 1 of [TS]

  the movie there are some scary snake [TS]

  seems in the hold here [TS]

  my wife is good just not sure I two [TS]

  people leave out there is 16 somebody [TS]

  that's hilarious i remember the little [TS]

  like snakes the oh now yeah i remember [TS]

  my scrapbook yeah I apparently I've been [TS]

  repressed the recovered memory yes I i [TS]

  actually jumped out of my seat and a [TS]

  couple of those and I'm like I don't get [TS]

  scared that easily in movies but there [TS]

  are a couple of just like out of nowhere [TS]

  no dramatic chord no nothing it's like [TS]

  oh my god big snake so just you know if [TS]

  you're gonna go see this with kids [TS]

  especially all yours or people afraid of [TS]

  snakes for i saw it was being i just [TS]

  returned from a physical we have four to [TS]

  six year old one fate was a corporate [TS]

  screening out with friends and their rob [TS]

  a local company had bought a show before [TS]

  midnight inside one's friends and [TS]

  everyone is all adults in the audience [TS]

  except one couple had brought like the [TS]

  24 26 year-old and to their credit I [TS]

  know the kids talked a little and [TS]

  whatever it made some noise at times but [TS]

  anyway shrieking I would have thought [TS]

  they could have to bundle the kids out [TS]

  you don't take them directly to therapy [TS]

  but apparently not [TS]

  that's later later that's part 2 [TS]

  let's run through no don't think back to [TS]

  the other about it so I'm the my next [TS]

  question for you guys is about the [TS]

  deaths in the series and this is [TS]

  interesting because it's the children's [TS]

  series and it starts out a lot lighter [TS]

  and it gets a lot darker as it goes [TS]

  along and Dan referred to it earlier the [TS]

  the death of of Cedric Diggory right is [TS]

  is the pivot point in some ways of the [TS]

  entire series and is quite a challenge [TS]

  because he comes back as a vampire haha [TS]

  oh no stop it [TS]

  that's not no don't even need our [TS]

  memories forever i will always choose to [TS]

  remember him as as Cedric Diggory but [TS]

  I'm with you there i mean quite quite [TS]

  shocking and in fact and then there are [TS]

  more deaths as we go i'm just kind of [TS]

  wondering what what your thoughts are [TS]

  about the people you know that the dark [TS]

  turn that happens in the series [TS]

  go ahead and look what I said the series [TS]

  definitely I mean it starts off as a [TS]

  shot like a children's book series but I [TS]

  definitely I mean you start getting the [TS]

  adult themes in the third book where you [TS]

  i mean you're talking about a prison [TS]

  where Dementors and people are sucking [TS]

  Souls from I mean there's there's some [TS]

  dark stuff there and then with the [TS]

  fourth book with subjects Cedric's death [TS]

  I mean you that's that's the first step [TS]

  death period in the series right there [TS]

  no I mean they're obviously the [TS]

  allusions to Harry's parents but there's [TS]

  a personal screech yeah like Tom Riddle [TS]

  kills people in flashback right yeah [TS]

  flash but it's not really it's not real [TS]

  and it's not there in 5-10 all alluded [TS]

  to or the past right I'm ready made [TS]

  various parents died in the first [TS]

  chapter right but yeah yeah it'sit's all [TS]

  illusions and your two after-the-fact [TS]

  separate was killed on on screen on page [TS]

  as it were and it's unexpected to write [TS]

  like you go in knowing Harry's parents [TS]

  are are dead kind of if you know [TS]

  anything about the premise the series [TS]

  right he's an orphan [TS]

  I mean no but Cedric's not only that but [TS]

  it's I think the thing that got me most [TS]

  about that [TS]

  I love it when when maybe this is the [TS]

  love is a strong word but I really when [TS]

  in character authors killing off [TS]

  characters i think i find it very moving [TS]

  i find it very you know if you can make [TS]

  you care enough about someone that when [TS]

  they kill them off [TS]

  you're like oh my god you know you're [TS]

  actually taking it back i think that [TS]

  that you know indicates to me that [TS]

  there's a certain level of power and [TS]

  involvement in that writing and I think [TS]

  Cedric's what's so damning about [TS]

  Cedric's is that it's it's off-the-cuff [TS]

  right like it's totally he you know it's [TS]

  just casual the way that voldemort kills [TS]

  him [TS]

  well it's yeah it's monday is that he's [TS]

  not giving a defense ever you know every [TS]

  sci-fi fantasy whatever before someone [TS]

  dies they put up the spirited defense or [TS]

  it's only as oh my god they're almost [TS]

  killed if it wasn't for that foul or [TS]

  they get their death warrant [TS]

  don't sit right on i'll either operatic [TS]

  or there's that tender moment and that's [TS]

  just how I just saw this in a show where [TS]

  we're always in Chuck sorry spoiler [TS]

  alert well well not have known for last [TS]

  season's chuck out last season's Chuck [TS]

  far the spoiler horn mmm brush and scott [TS]

  bakula sad has the scene where he [TS]

  finally goes to his daughter and he [TS]

  apologizes for everything that he's done [TS]

  is a bad father and says that from now [TS]

  on he'll be a good father and my lighter [TS]

  do dead he's dead so it's you either get [TS]

  that moment of closure before the death [TS]

  or or its this operatic death now Dan [TS]

  were you saying that you liked the fact [TS]

  that that Cedric's death was so [TS]

  off-the-cuff that's where children yeah [TS]

  oh yeah oh yeah i mean like that but [TS]

  it's okay i'm not saying i like it i'm [TS]

  saying it's effective race yeah well [TS]

  Riley it it makes you makes your hair go [TS]

  R Us oh my god but how do they have what [TS]

  you wanted Cedric Diggory video is that [TS]

  you're his little person haha its but [TS]

  you know what's funny is so citric is [TS]

  set up the obstetric and Neville not as [TS]

  much the movies unfortunately but Cedric [TS]

  Neville and hairier setup as interesting [TS]

  parallels I mean they were never [TS]

  supposed to be a bumbler center can do [TS]

  no wrong and Harry somewhere in the [TS]

  middle but he's the chosen one he's the [TS]

  one who's to wahoos lot this is all [TS]

  fallen and it could have been sort of [TS]

  anything about the same age and you know [TS]

  but Cedric is the hero and this in [TS]

  Harry's [TS]

  sort of not exactly the anti-hero but [TS]

  he's the reluctant hero he does what is [TS]

  right because it is necessary not [TS]

  because he wants to be in that role so [TS]

  in Cedric dicey like holy crap [TS]

  Baltimore can kill the hero what chances [TS]

  Harry half we know he's gonna come out [TS]

  ascendant in our hearts but in the terms [TS]

  of narrative you're like everything just [TS]

  changed me and killed he killed the kid [TS]

  right he killed ya student at horton [TS]

  meant that means that our friends are [TS]

  you know even though this is [TS]

  theoretically a children's series [TS]

  no one is is safe and we're told for [TS]

  books [TS]

  nothing can get in or out of Hogwarts [TS]

  nothing get out told again and again i'm [TS]

  sure that was I'm sure she had that arc [TS]

  in mind that she set us up for years of [TS]

  reading that Hogwarts is a safe place [TS]

  just like the dursleys in that it's like [TS]

  oh wait it's not really needed was a [TS]

  long day off and of course that that [TS]

  goes through the later books to write I [TS]

  mean well in the 70's look more or less [TS]

  wood isn't it would also with [TS]

  Dumbledore's death Highway and six [TS]

  really being that the point at which are [TS]

  like wow [TS]

  not only is this not safe this is [TS]

  probably like the most dangerous places [TS]

  i I'm thinking of the really shocking to [TS]

  me that the the climax of the seventh [TS]

  book we're in a war is five in the [TS]

  hallways of hogwarts and lots of people [TS]

  died in HD [TS]

  wow you know you could expect that again [TS]

  like lord of the rings they're out in [TS]

  the field somewhere and things happen [TS]

  and no it's right in the school where [TS]

  we've been all along and then you take [TS]

  that time away and by the time our [TS]

  characters come back to the school [TS]

  they're bringing a terrible things with [TS]

  them hopefully the other chilling moment [TS]

  in the series for me and this was [TS]

  presented well the movie in books [TS]

  there's first photo book seven you know [TS]

  something's going to happen [TS]

  things are getting bad and she's given [TS]

  us all you know in fact you expect this [TS]

  out of the book might open with things [TS]

  being really bad but she gives us a [TS]

  little bit of calm something's not quite [TS]

  right things are building up the wedding [TS]

  is going to happen and i think the book [TS]

  did it better all the movie did quite [TS]

  well when it's the ministry has fallen [TS]

  scripture is dead flee and it's it's [TS]

  practically that moment Lord of the [TS]

  Rings fly you fools you know it's just [TS]

  you're like oh wow evil just one didn't [TS]

  it [TS]

  so how do you claw back from this [TS]

  massive massive defeat [TS]

  yeah I like that we go a lot heavily [TS]

  into the darkness before the characters [TS]

  are [TS]

  get to the inevitable triumph right it's [TS]

  not just they're gonna win all along [TS]

  yeah but like stuff gets bad and it's [TS]

  going to get worse before it gets better [TS]

  yes to continue to give a portion yeah [TS]

  no I mean I think that to me that you [TS]

  know I find out more and more effective [TS]

  and more engaging than if it were just [TS]

  do you no good always triumphs obviously [TS]

  he gets shriven I mean this is a classic [TS]

  like Christian mythology sort of thing [TS]

  too is Harry has to go through us to [TS]

  have his ego battered his soul battery [TS]

  has to die no one has to die and be [TS]

  reborn not there's no no mythology or [TS]

  Dogma or any kind of reference there of [TS]

  course no no nobody asked me yesterday [TS]

  he's convinced soul is completely [TS]

  shriveled below are you talking about [TS]

  the matrix haha [TS]

  pretty much yes well let's hang at neo [TS]

  is harry potter go ahead ready [TS]

  oh no I was just gonna say in terms of [TS]

  Harry's journey and all the things that [TS]

  kind of gets thrown Adam I think my [TS]

  personal and remains the most chilling [TS]

  moment in the series is not necessarily [TS]

  Dumbledore's death or anything but [TS]

  actually the end of book five with the [TS]

  battle in the ministry and I just have [TS]

  serious God way beyond the veil years [TS]

  well that you want to talk about it you [TS]

  want to talk about a moment that comes [TS]

  out of nowhere where you're completely [TS]

  not expecting it's like he's not he [TS]

  doesn't get a heroic death he doesn't [TS]

  get anything it's just one moment he's [TS]

  good he's there and then the next gone [TS]

  and it's and with it you kind of get 33 [TS]

  well note i guess two books to know 33 [TS]

  yes i'm going to get number 345 great [TS]

  3.14159 you get three books of basically [TS]

  Harry learning that he still has family [TS]

  and he still has someone who knows his [TS]

  father intimately and who you know who [TS]

  could conceivably care about him he has [TS]

  a home and all of that and even though I [TS]

  mean the person that he you know cares [TS]

  about is a wanted murderer he still has [TS]

  that connection and then all of a sudden [TS]

  that's gone he has no you know I always [TS]

  found that moment a little bit i don't [TS]

  know not quite hollow but there is [TS]

  something missing in that moment for me [TS]

  maybe it's just a matter of the death [TS]

  where I don't know maybe as part of it [TS]

  is because you kind of feel like well [TS]

  you [TS]

  easy dad in or is he just like trapped [TS]

  and i'll come back and it seemed the [TS]

  inconclusive miss of it i read just I [TS]

  read those pages / like 10 times when I [TS]

  got to that part of the book because I [TS]

  was like what just happened and I can [TS]

  only get maximum profit are I can only [TS]

  conclude that she did it at and I think [TS]

  about it even read her talking about at [TS]

  one point I only conclude she did [TS]

  exactly what she wanted to do there but [TS]

  i find it yes I find it very strange [TS]

  because it does lack gravitas we were [TS]

  just making fun of how every death has a [TS]

  moment of oh you know operatic but [TS]

  Cedric Cedric steph had gravitas even if [TS]

  you get this wrong he brought his body [TS]

  back that whole thing they like the [TS]

  father right behind bring the body back [TS]

  to and this was blinking blinking you [TS]

  miss it right it's like no way did what [TS]

  happened there did I miss him dying and [TS]

  then I got back up and said no he just [TS]

  kind of went through this thing and it's [TS]

  not really it's like a metaphorical [TS]

  there's a difference between the death [TS]

  being sort of off the cuff and and the [TS]

  way that it's it's reflected in the text [TS]

  right and I think that's where the [TS]

  difference comes in for me is that [TS]

  inaction Cedric's death is very very [TS]

  like casual and the way that Voldemort [TS]

  killed him but it's not presented as [TS]

  such in the text in the story whereas [TS]

  when serious his death I feel like [TS]

  there's something in the writing that [TS]

  just doesn't convey to me it doesn't [TS]

  have a good job of conveying anyhow [TS]

  yes I think I think there's a there's a [TS]

  festival issue here bring up the [TS]

  festival's that a fire outside with red [TS]

  I actually thought serious disappearing [TS]

  i think i did read it again and again [TS]

  like what just happened he can't have [TS]

  gone but i think that was I think she's [TS]

  chosen many different kinds of deaths I [TS]

  think this is her way you know death is [TS]

  something children have to face less so [TS]

  in our society in our age but it's um [TS]

  you know I've had people died with their [TS]

  suddenly gone and they're gone abruptly [TS]

  and there's a hole in your life [TS]

  inexplicable inexplicable death just [TS]

  right happens right it sucks and it [TS]

  sucks and I thought she actually did a [TS]

  great job of cheating she made someone [TS]

  disappear in the book as if she'd cut [TS]

  pages out of it and i think i agree i [TS]

  think it was very intentional for me at [TS]

  work because of that and then you have [TS]

  is the next book when he sees the [TS]

  festivals and suddenly become [TS]

  she's lost someone where he was I guess [TS]

  Cano he's he's never been able to see [TS]

  the best roles with some explanation [TS]

  even those parents who died in front of [TS]

  him write that and Cedric had died while [TS]

  she said right so you can see the [TS]

  festival suddenly and Luna and the whole [TS]

  thing that that I'm Alliance Scicluna [TS]

  just slightly bizarre kid but then you [TS]

  find her mother's quadfather's a little [TS]

  cracked and how they've been able to [TS]

  make the way the world so there's no [TS]

  this eccentric death is that debt [TS]

  there's a man I moody like I actually [TS]

  felt the most to death in the books from [TS]

  your mad movie and spoiler or another [TS]

  room pyranose that's the only thing is [TS]

  covered under the spoiler open check out [TS]

  when I can't hear you the spoiler hoods [TS]

  going haha but looping looping and I'd [TS]

  gonna get married and then they die [TS]

  I was like a tox I couldn't believe I [TS]

  was like I finally tried but happiness [TS]

  and then she'd buy it man i believe the [TS]

  same thing like we lost him it's like [TS]

  we're all we got to hit you know [TS]

  yeah but this was this huge battle and [TS]

  suddenly he's gone i felt like that was [TS]

  not handled well they made an emotional [TS]

  attachment to movie but it wasn't him it [TS]

  was the you know the guy you not even [TS]

  getting positive and then we rarely [TS]

  really saw we have a lot of connection [TS]

  with movie after that Anthony spot [TS]

  I you know it occurred to me suddenly [TS]

  when I was thinking about series is that [TS]

  that I'm so he dies he sort of stumbles [TS]

  back through the like the veo que [TS]

  archway and a cursory it's only [TS]

  encourage me when we were talking about [TS]

  this that's kind of a dark reflection of [TS]

  in the first book When Harry the mirror [TS]

  of erised said oh yeah where Harry [TS]

  series seasons parents and it's kind of [TS]

  like a dark you know that the veil was [TS]

  kind of like the dark version of that [TS]

  which is instead of sort of bringing [TS]

  something back to take something away [TS]

  and leave me there and we need to do [TS]

  simulations haha we can meet up with the [TS]

  flip side of that to which is that the [TS]

  number of people who come back from the [TS]

  dead like given how many deaths are [TS]

  closed people the styles of death it's [TS]

  like you have all the ghosts then you [TS]

  can takes book after book before you [TS]

  understand what the ghost actually mean [TS]

  in her universe you have Mary's parent's [TS]

  come back so often they'll get frequent [TS]

  flyer from the afterlife tickets because [TS]

  it's like well but they're like their [TS]

  recordings though right which is sorta [TS]

  they seem to have some intentionality [TS]

  until the final thing when he has the [TS]

  the [TS]

  what we call it the resurrection stone [TS]

  right well the whole idea though is I i [TS]

  think is that they're you in the [TS]

  wizarding world they're like shards of [TS]

  pottery shards of pride your souls just [TS]

  like with a Baltimore a and so you leave [TS]

  a little imprint behind so it is a piece [TS]

  of them that's left but it's not good i [TS]

  am given credit give her credit though [TS]

  for not falling to the temptation of you [TS]

  know basically like the comic book [TS]

  approach of nobody's ever really dead in [TS]

  a world which is which is Magic they're [TS]

  dead magic rights they're dead they're [TS]

  dead but that might not just like with a [TS]

  joss whedon series to tie it into last [TS]

  week's podcast once they're dead just [TS]

  means you don't see him again but [TS]

  they're still like ya good but i like [TS]

  that because there's not a it's it feels [TS]

  like a cheap right whenever you know [TS]

  nobody ever really dies in comic books [TS]

  right everybody always comes back [TS]

  it really isn't a magnum p.i when that [TS]

  guy was blown up in the car came back [TS]

  and no no yes yes I didn't know we were [TS]

  gonna get to add in the middle of this [TS]

  but did you see did you see the sunrise [TS]

  at the pali lookout this morning boom [TS]

  and bags friend dies and then they bring [TS]

  him back and he's like an evil twin [TS]

  Russian sleeper agent you know exactly [TS]

  what the hell was that that's the best [TS]

  episode of magnum p.i when the guy dies [TS]

  because it's like real thanks i didn't [TS]

  know we'd be talking about Megan don't [TS]

  like it you have to conduct his magnum [TS]

  p.i and no wait a second factor hearing [TS]

  platter what is what magnum p.i in and [TS]

  harry potter have in common now we know [TS]

  it's a it's no way no nomination there [TS]

  she doesn't do cheap Chesney the cheap [TS]

  shot doesn't do that it was I mean yeah [TS]

  you would in a world that this [TS]

  promulgated so heavily on magic right it [TS]

  would have been easier to say oh yeah we [TS]

  just magic them back from the dead [TS]

  probably good go about your business but [TS]

  he never she never succumbs to that [TS]

  which I I appreciate the loot was I [TS]

  think either the it's we talked about [TS]

  this briefly actually two tied into [TS]

  another early podcast in the Doctor Who [TS]

  podcast earlier where you were the with [TS]

  Rory again spoiler alright dying many [TS]

  times [TS]

  yeah it's like after all it loses the [TS]

  impact right B and get a nice moment [TS]

  where it's like oh god this is you know [TS]

  death its mortality it's all this stuff [TS]

  wrapped up in one and then they're like [TS]

  I yeah but we're just kidding about that [TS]

  you know well what will give them some [TS]

  more thread to play himself out [TS]

  come again and Brad together again [TS]

  giving back again giving very close to [TS]

  call world [TS]

  Wow Glenn Glenn you are going to retire [TS]

  as the champion of the obscure earnest [TS]

  online this podcast I'm the distiller [TS]

  for this point [TS]

  oh that's that's true that's true but if [TS]

  you're going to start talking about [TS]

  right wing politics so a little work and [TS]

  it's like my beer that Rolen alright oh [TS]

  uh well okay so what I'll be evil glare [TS]

  right evil clan well or core or Glenn [TS]

  didn't I might be consistent with the [TS]

  opposite Glenn we should do an episode [TS]

  were all play parallel universe like [TS]

  Star Trek near Mary universe versions of [TS]

  ourselves [TS]

  welcome to ten separated world that's [TS]

  right because there will be supplements [TS]

  in that parallel universes podcast [TS]

  that's what I think I'll be clean-shaven [TS]

  in that unit that will be on not that [TS]

  would be the comparable oh there you are [TS]

  not very good April Fool's ride will be [TS]

  80 years old so yeah so what's up so [TS]

  what's your room [TS]

  what's your favorite of the of the Harry [TS]

  Potter books 3 without a doubt I hold [TS]

  that to this time and that one is for [TS]

  those who reserved azkaban oh yeah which [TS]

  introduced a serious but yes I I serious [TS]

  is probably one of my favorite [TS]

  characters despite the relatively little [TS]

  screen time he gets overall but that [TS]

  that book is just crafted so well [TS]

  because it's the first hint that we get [TS]

  the ball in this world is you know there [TS]

  are still dark and deep things in this [TS]

  world besides besides Baltimore you know [TS]

  trying to poke his head up from the [TS]

  surface there are still like horrible [TS]

  things that are going on and then on top [TS]

  of that you really start to get the [TS]

  backstory behind Harry's parents death [TS]

  and how that all occurred you're like [TS]

  wow this is really awful to and [TS]

  generally there are really awful things [TS]

  happening in this otherwise hey pretty [TS]

  magic things are you know you get that [TS]

  you get that sort of dark feel [TS]

  throughout the entire book rather than [TS]

  in the last like five or six chapters as [TS]

  you do with like chamber of secrets and [TS]

  philosopher stone right sorcerer's stone [TS]

  which everyone called when what about [TS]

  you when it's a tough question i I'm not [TS]

  sure I like any books is unreservedly [TS]

  three was good I liked some parts of [TS]

  order of the phoenix and I think [TS]

  bookseven despite its flaws are some [TS]

  terrific they're terrific parts of books [TS]

  7i like so i'm not sure i had anyone [TS]

  that was a favorite I i think there's a [TS]

  scene that I love which is when [TS]

  dumbledore comes back way he doesn't [TS]

  come back no one comes back we get an [TS]

  echo of Dumbledore I i think i have a [TS]

  favorite scene like of all the books a [TS]

  bit when they're in the thing that's not [TS]

  quite a trigger Waterloo station or some [TS]

  giant train station in London that to me [TS]

  is I think the epitome how she could [TS]

  write a scene that is unlike anything [TS]

  else you know we didn't even talk about [TS]

  Dumbledore's death when we talked about [TS]

  deaths [TS]

  it's still too fresh huh excuses to [TS]

  represent that's why you know it [TS]

  happened that will be one and it [TS]

  happened again although he came back [TS]

  right so what happened it's not about [TS]

  anything was never in school afterwards [TS]

  like he was really boring Gandalf the [TS]

  Grey was awesome get off the white and [TS]

  thumbs down [TS]

  he's just doing his job please doll why [TS]

  wizards john is Dalton great wizard know [TS]

  it's all the chicks what can you say [TS]

  that again very great Wizards he's got a [TS]

  little edginess to him right it's kind [TS]

  of funny he's got a sense of humor is a [TS]

  little bit draggled what it's like I'm [TS]

  Jesus hey how's it going was really [TS]

  rather gasps the Reds fan picture that's [TS]

  what I want to know [TS]

  brown brown do disney brown right oh [TS]

  you're right [TS]

  yeah Wow Dan Moore and please tell me [TS]

  how take a look at it well tell me about [TS]

  harry potter tell me your favorite [TS]

  favorite thing from Harry Potter book or [TS]

  other thing if you want to be like [TS]

  planning and avoid the question of [TS]

  favorite book [TS]

  I think I'm gonna have to go to spike it [TS]

  getting knocked I think I'm gonna have [TS]

  to go with four just because goblet of [TS]

  fire just because you know that they [TS]

  have to find it builds and it has that [TS]

  great pivot point where everything [TS]

  changes and to me that's when I really [TS]

  you know got the feeling that the series [TS]

  was something else was going to in a [TS]

  different direction than I expected it [TS]

  two and five [TS]

  you know I think the problem with five [TS]

  is there's a lot of this there's a lot [TS]

  of time spent whinging as the British [TS]

  would say with with the hairy dithering [TS]

  about stuff and feeling better he has a [TS]

  bad note book 5 is very good revise my [TS]

  actual heading um and I would say six is [TS]

  probably probably a close second [TS]

  I think for me but I you know I I'm i [TS]

  think i agree with Glenn to a certain [TS]

  extent that there are I more fan of [TS]

  scenes throughout the the series that i [TS]

  am of any particular books [TS]

  but I yeah I i don't know i and III [TS]

  would actually agree with you [TS]

  sorry friend that I i like the fourth [TS]

  book the best mostly because of the end [TS]

  mostly because of those last few scenes [TS]

  where things really really turn and I [TS]

  have a soft spot in my heart for the [TS]

  fifth one even though you're right that [TS]

  here is kind of a jerk for the entire [TS]

  book it because the whole Dumbledore's [TS]

  Army you know it's pretty it's just such [TS]

  a great thing to see the kids finally [TS]

  kind of come all the way out from under [TS]

  the you know that they're sort of [TS]

  skirting the rules up to that point and [TS]

  in the fifth book they are a rebel force [TS]

  and how great is that moment when that [TS]

  when they're like we're gonna just do [TS]

  this ourselves and you know what took [TS]

  you so long but it i love that end of [TS]

  four and then and then going into the [TS]

  fifth book so what there's not there's a [TS]

  political group called Dumbledore's Army [TS]

  I said about this on NPR the other day [TS]

  inspired by like taking their there is [TS]

  sort of you know political leanings from [TS]

  Harry Potter books which sounds now they [TS]

  could join up with the job the job [TS]

  it was really great Jedi and yeah New [TS]

  Zealand in the UK [TS]

  hey I have a question they ask questions [TS]

  yes least appreciated creature like most [TS]

  underappreciated creature or character i [TS]

  have a few but i'm curious what people [TS]

  felt were were both shall be treated [TS]

  despite the potential outside your [TS]

  specifically so something that we [TS]

  something that we like this obscure or [TS]

  something that we wish we had seen more [TS]

  of your only like a character like I [TS]

  mean there's no 5,000 named characters [TS]

  in the books [TS]

  surely there are some that that should [TS]

  have gotten you know i'm thinking more [TS]

  about like the be characters know that [TS]

  the a character your wish had more [TS]

  attention lavished on them i think so [TS]

  because I've got a couple but I security [TS]

  someone else takes like who do they want [TS]

  to see more of it was shunted off to the [TS]

  side of the books went on you're like [TS]

  wait a minute they're actually they [TS]

  should have got more you know Paige [TS]

  times when that Kingsley shackle just [TS]

  sounds like a badass in such a great [TS]

  name great actor playing true it's funny [TS]

  because i mean the the people who come [TS]

  up off the top of my head are people who [TS]

  already have decent amount of screen [TS]

  time like I think about the twins [TS]

  well I why would always enjoy and see [TS]

  more intense yeah exactly [TS]

  they're just so much fun and then you [TS]

  get the scene in the [TS]

  end of four where Harry gives Fred and [TS]

  George prize money is like gonna make a [TS]

  go make a thing go go brokenhearted SE [TS]

  exactly one which one loses here and [TS]

  you're sure i just love to be they [TS]

  started quick about now you can tell us [TS]

  apart yeah but like I mean that so it's [TS]

  so perfect in terms of the way that they [TS]

  capturing the right you're reminded me [TS]

  of God you might have another spoiler we [TS]

  were talking about media but like I [TS]

  Xander in season 7 when something really [TS]

  terrible happens to him I don't want to [TS]

  be a lot i won't give up I won't give up [TS]

  with a spoiler but he has it like you [TS]

  know he takes it the way that you think [TS]

  he would which is you know with a wry [TS]

  quips and a well let's just keep going [TS]

  you know what's not fixated on this and [TS]

  I always loved in I just I don't know I [TS]

  really enjoyed that they it's a terrible [TS]

  thing to happen but they take it well [TS]

  may know it was like sort of hidden in [TS]

  the defense of something good [TS]

  they're just such a yeah they're they're [TS]

  great characters and that they they seem [TS]

  to know so much about they know so much [TS]

  about hogwarts and they know so much [TS]

  like they have amassed this whole little [TS]

  crowded that it's always the older I [TS]

  mean there's what two or three general [TS]

  or two or three levels up from the main [TS]

  gas right yeah something like that so [TS]

  it's it's always curious too kind of [TS]

  like alright these people are slightly [TS]

  older I would love to know what's going [TS]

  on in their circle of friends and with [TS]

  you know pre pre drama I don't know and [TS]

  then remiss of is a character but I mean [TS]

  Remus gets a fair amount of screen time [TS]

  so I guess I mean he gets most of the [TS]

  third book and then a lot in the fifth [TS]

  and a lot like we're soon after the [TS]

  third book we sort of missing usual [TS]

  Jason well because she treats I mean she [TS]

  has such an interesting concept for [TS]

  werewolves and it's and the idea of like [TS]

  outcasts since this Vermin outcasts of [TS]

  society is fairly normal but in terms of [TS]

  the way that they're treated in this [TS]

  Wizarding society and I don't know and [TS]

  there's there's just so much there that [TS]

  I wish had been explored but I don't [TS]

  necessarily like if i had to choose [TS]

  somebody to like right era to cheer for [TS]

  being like yes this person should get [TS]

  more screentime like that's more I think [TS]

  personal than a overall this character [TS]

  was under [TS]

  represented should Wedge Antilles yeah [TS]

  he shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't [TS]

  Dumbledore have an assistant who is like [TS]

  a secretary who like cards calendar and [TS]

  stuff but he has a gargoyle why would he [TS]

  need a secretary I don't know I'll [TS]

  sherbert ice I want to know more i want [TS]

  to see that character uh I want to know [TS]

  more about the guy who runs who drives [TS]

  the Hogwarts Express I think we didn't [TS]

  really learn about him and there's a [TS]

  whole short secretary bad guy behind the [TS]

  desk at Gringotts the Goblin behind the [TS]

  decimal Lincoln's I don't know what his [TS]

  life [TS]

  life [TS]

  alright and love dark we need him in the [TS]

  seventh book and and the the guy who [TS]

  sells the the the brooms and how he [TS]

  picks his brooms I'd like to know more [TS]

  about him [TS]

  I you know that but more I I don't know [TS]

  I i think there's so many little things [TS]

  that I I that are so so weird about the [TS]

  the series and you know I honestly don't [TS]

  know I kinda like I kind of didn't like [TS]

  talks to begin with and i ended up [TS]

  actually liking a lot [TS]

  yeah and feeling like we didn't really [TS]

  get to see a lot of that kind of punk [TS]

  rock kind was it just me or did I kept [TS]

  thinking that something was about to [TS]

  brew between thompson Harry like it felt [TS]

  like their intimations of that and then [TS]

  it sort of disappeared like I think that [TS]

  maybe just maybe reading between the [TS]

  lines but you know she's older but not [TS]

  that much older Harry's got all this [TS]

  deep responsibility I thought is you [TS]

  going to seek comfort in the arms of the [TS]

  older more experienced or but like she [TS]

  already seems I mean she and Lupin I [TS]

  felt like pretty early on at Estrella [TS]

  stablished start chemistry between Mary [TS]

  gives more of an older sister vibe [TS]

  between her and Harry I could do with [TS]

  less dhabi valve that's what I like that [TS]

  stuff so Jar Jar and Bobby I others but [TS]

  that's always good i think of [TS]

  yeah I should have a baby should have a [TS]

  talk show Charles County I don't do a [TS]

  lot of I don't do a lot of ways to do [TS]

  sensation what are you doing that on [TS]

  youtube you get a billionaire I don't I [TS]

  don't do a lot of voices when i'm [TS]

  reading to my kids but I do too I do [TS]

  Dhabi and I do [TS]

  Voldemort so just to scare my kids and [TS]

  also to make my kids I guess laughs or [TS]

  creating you something that we asked avi [TS]

  oh yes right i mean because he's just [TS]

  annoying and I i got to get through it [TS]

  so I do a voice with my two characters [TS]

  to appreciate it luna and level and I [TS]

  know that's up there because you have a [TS]

  little time but I was great but never [TS]

  gets a lot as I might be like you know [TS]

  it is it's almost like you're watching [TS]

  the foreign characters in the background [TS]

  levels growing up the tree and [TS]

  occasionally comes the foreground you [TS]

  like holy Neville is a great trapdoor [TS]

  character he looks like the comic relief [TS]

  and then you find out [TS]

  no his parents the reason he lives with [TS]

  his grandmother or whatever is because [TS]

  his parents were killed by Voldemort [TS]

  because they were on the right side and [TS]

  for the wrong side not even killed [TS]

  I their brains have been concealing [TS]

  addled so there's still a lot of right [TS]

  rice destroy what and i will make a [TS]

  strawberry milk for him as as one of the [TS]

  best casting decisions decisions to be I [TS]

  feel like that they got there was no way [TS]

  for them to predicted that that that kid [TS]

  would grow up that way but man like he [TS]

  did definitely grew up from looking like [TS]

  Goofy's I didn't to the point where i [TS]

  watched the last film was like holy crap [TS]

  that Neville what he stands up and he [TS]

  has very little screen time in part one [TS]

  of the movie seven but there's a part of [TS]

  the train would be just as it says what [TS]

  do you want losers what he's facing them [TS]

  Death Eaters middle of everything you're [TS]

  like that is the moment that is the they [TS]

  managed concerning that way into one [TS]

  line into the movie [TS]

  well it's wonderful we find out and what [TS]

  book six books seven that Neville was [TS]

  almost harry potter it came down those [TS]

  two boys it's like I've already asthma [TS]

  you think that couldn't have worked out [TS]

  and then she makes a good case that he [TS]

  could have that he could have stepped up [TS]

  to i want to watch Neville Longbottom in [TS]

  the chamber of secrets could have done [TS]

  in four books and how many all histories [TS]

  are there of that round is probably as a [TS]

  felon i'm sure i have over there are [TS]

  many that was after my time but it would [TS]

  have taken five staff ibooks rent [TS]

  because his bottom is too long [TS]

  that was the name of our out the year [TS]

  that our frisbee at the season that our [TS]

  frisbee teams all had to have harry [TS]

  potter theme names will be named haha [TS]

  can go long buttons [TS]

  ok wow you know yeah that's great team [TS]

  you know I I thought we could men on [TS]

  were snowed in my joke and I heard that [TS]

  a broad quidditch which by the way is as [TS]

  somebody who is a sports fan which makes [TS]

  no sense not open do they play it though [TS]

  I have pictures i know people run around [TS]

  muggles run around with brooms between [TS]

  their legs and say they're playing [TS]

  Quidditch but no to think the thing that [TS]

  makes no sense is that the point total [TS]

  value of the snitch is so much greater [TS]

  than the going value of the goals that [TS]

  there's almost no point actually playing [TS]

  the the the goal based game because of [TS]

  the massive it's like 10 times as much [TS]

  to get the Stanton don't they say that [TS]

  there's like one exam one or two [TS]

  examples ever wear like somebody had one [TS]

  without getting the snitch or something [TS]

  I think that's what it turns out when it [TS]

  turns out that the goals of the [TS]

  tiebreaker because in reading at a [TS]

  second time what I realized is her her a [TS]

  way to address this huge flaw in [TS]

  Quidditch is to say that if that its [TS]

  total points [TS]

  that that you end up with its not record [TS]

  or it's a tiebreaker for record as total [TS]

  points so essentially if you've got the [TS]

  same record of somebody else because [TS]

  you've got the same number of stitches [TS]

  then whoever has the most goals will be [TS]

  the winner of that of the cup or [TS]

  whatever it is but it's such a mean it's [TS]

  just exhausting seeing you know because [TS]

  the game could be over one minute into [TS]

  it and there's no sport devices the game [TS]

  could be over it's just I just I just [TS]

  have to say for a year or two ago I what [TS]

  I want I was walking on boston common [TS]

  and I looked over and saw some local [TS]

  college teams playing Quidditch only and [TS]

  I just stood there with my mouth down [TS]

  for a while and my favorite part of the [TS]

  entire thing is that in order to [TS]

  replicate the Golden Snitch there's just [TS]

  a guy dressed in yellow and he just [TS]

  looked like he was running all around [TS]

  boston common so he's like disappear [TS]

  over a hill like well off the field and [TS]

  then like every like five minutes 5 10 [TS]

  minutes or so you'd like to come back to [TS]

  the field like oh yeah I'm it disappear [TS]

  again it's lawyer has that job my god no [TS]

  that's not that's some some [TS]

  cross-country runner or somebody right [TS]

  somebody exactly right exactly will be [TS]

  the atom banks of the quickest that's [TS]

  right we'll get we'll get our solid Adam [TS]

  to be our Golden Snitch Lee tanned [TS]

  blonde wow alright so we like Harry [TS]

  Potter them [TS]

  yeah I'm not never well you know we can [TS]

  actually talk about a movie as a home's [TS]

  out it the movie the movie by the way [TS]

  it's a lot of camping there's some great [TS]

  action scenes it's a lot of camping when [TS]

  I left I heard great but every other [TS]

  person theaters like man I didn't [TS]

  realize we're going to rei sponsor the [TS]

  movie or that was a great camping film I [TS]

  wonder with what the next will be about [TS]

  you know like booze or other sucks i [TS]

  will say harry potter and the luge of [TS]

  doom [TS]

  I'll say that it's a great it's a great [TS]

  character study film there's some really [TS]

  nice moments between the trio there's [TS]

  some really nice ones between the [TS]

  characters and it definitely stands [TS]

  well it's better than most of the other [TS]

  movies although i am mad that now i have [TS]

  to wait six months to find out you know [TS]

  to see part two you i should point out [TS]

  they did the camping thing the book the [TS]

  camping sort of uniformly dreary dreary [TS]

  as the plant plot is advanced you get [TS]

  the plot they did do the senate [TS]

  democratic political cinematographic [TS]

  being [TS]

  in the film which is they found the [TS]

  loveliest craziest places in Britain to [TS]

  shoot the camping scene so I'm like my [TS]

  gosh if the words if the action is [TS]

  boring or slow at least you're looking [TS]

  at these cute crazy i don't think that [TS]

  don't look real but are clearly real [TS]

  scenery which is also why it's funny [TS]

  that they're in modern-day clothing [TS]

  hiking across this giant cliffs maybe [TS]

  i'll just wait six months and then [TS]

  they'll probably release part 1 i've [TS]

  been watching both on the same day it's [TS]

  entirely likely that's what i was doing [TS]

  the tour [TS]

  excuse me tour it oh but I like on a [TS]

  movie yeah it's good to go to the movies [TS]

  big giant scenes would be better on big [TS]

  screen come on it's cool [TS]

  sure sure alright so that's your that's [TS]

  your quick removal review for for harry [TS]

  potter six-and-a-half it's the camera [TS]

  and the campsite camping you know [TS]

  anything with outbreaks of death you do [TS]

  the camping because you want your [TS]

  characters have have had their setback [TS]

  and now they're in the will and we just [TS]

  talked about camping isn't it it's in [TS]

  the wilderness there there there they [TS]

  have nowhere else to go they have to [TS]

  leave civilization before they reenter [TS]

  it i mean that is I mean that does [TS]

  happen a lot i I just you know it is a [TS]

  lot to hang a movie around because then [TS]

  they don't come back until the next one [TS]

  is there a cliffhanger there is ok well [TS]

  at least there's that would be bad if [TS]

  they just you know goodnight Ron [TS]

  goodnight Harry and they turn off the [TS]

  Coleman lantern too messy and if they [TS]

  sort of slowly dolly out that's right [TS]

  she comes [TS]

  maybe they end it they ended on a good [TS]

  note although i would I wish they would [TS]

  have ended one scene earlier because i [TS]

  think the cliffhanger that they ended on [TS]

  felt very kind of shoehorned in whereas [TS]

  the right the prior scene reminds me to [TS]

  the end of fellowship where you know [TS]

  Alexander it's where it's where it's [TS]

  very trying like they're very oh it's [TS]

  great it's a great and zine and this one [TS]

  nearly matched up to it and it got me to [TS]

  respect a character that I was very [TS]

  gonna like is about and I like okay this [TS]

  could be a great this is the end of the [TS]

  movie right there the credits right and [TS]

  then no we flipped this like intercut [TS]

  scene of Oh things are bad and I'm like [TS]

  now couldn't you just left the things [TS]

  are bad to part two we know things are [TS]

  bad [TS]

  did you notice they did one thing in the [TS]

  movie that i thought was insignificant [TS]

  hand over the book actually used [TS]

  with visual medium of film storytelling [TS]

  to do something well not just the shadow [TS]

  puppet thing that was incredible tale [TS]

  that story of the three brothers is a [TS]

  big as the most gorgeous things it's [TS]

  like the beginning of the cowboy way to [TS]

  there's a the tale of the Golden Army is [TS]

  told in sort of this stick figure thing [TS]

  and it's also equally gorgeous might [TS]

  have been the same people who did it but [TS]

  they did in the in this shadow puppet [TS]

  thing they show the intron of [TS]

  invisibility that and Harry and his [TS]

  friends clearly recognize that they have [TS]

  it which in the books you don't get that [TS]

  that's part of the same thing it's like [TS]

  a shroud of invisibility the book you [TS]

  don't find out later that has a [TS]

  relationship to what Harry inherited and [TS]

  it's just even with like the texture of [TS]

  the fabric in the in the shadow puppetry [TS]

  you can tell that specifically Aires [TS]

  crowd automatically well and the [TS]

  reaction shots when you cut back to them [TS]

  yes i would say the the animation on the [TS]

  whole which is the scene where they're [TS]

  talking about the deathly hallows what [TS]

  they are [TS]

  it reminds me of who's the artist who [TS]

  did that who does the Don Quixote [TS]

  painting [TS]

  why don't you mean yeah it also wasn't [TS]

  it that's it is because so the ones you [TS]

  think of this little stick figure yeah [TS]

  it was right [TS]

  that's what it that's what it reminds me [TS]

  of a hundred percent is it that the very [TS]

  like thin out it's absolutely beautiful [TS]

  it's the highlight of the movie without [TS]

  a doubt [TS]

  ok so we've gone from Picasso to magnum [TS]

  p.i and back now yes this is everyone [TS]

  only pocket there's your tagline the [TS]

  only party ask that covers magnum p.i [TS]

  picasso and harry potter exactly that's [TS]

  what we're here for [TS]

  that's why people listen to people [TS]

  listen yes that's why people listen I [TS]

  didn't go to college there for years to [TS]

  not be able to make obscure references [TS]

  in a podcast in 2010 and that's why you [TS]

  said exegesis earlier blessing [TS]

  yeah that's exactly nose-up ones I'm [TS]

  well so that we've come to the end of [TS]

  our time together now friends [TS]

  well until until next time when we'll [TS]

  have another very exciting podcast who [TS]

  knows what that will be but until that [TS]

  time I would like to thank all our [TS]

  listeners and i would like to thank my [TS]

  guests ran called well thank you thank [TS]

  you Jason gland fleischmann it [TS]

  give us another give us another ten [TS]

  dollar word please to me sis the in [TS]

  fixing of a syllable inside to other [TS]

  syllables that's your word of the day [TS]

  and dad more'n thank you as always for [TS]

  appearing on the podcast as a pleasure [TS]

  to be no one appears on the podcast like [TS]

  what was that without any reference was [TS]

  a proof me appearing oh that's right [TS]

  expected Alakazam vecto petroleum here [TS]

  we go again with that old dad's that's [TS]

  the one that expel you from my wand but [TS]

  not only are honest on it all right on [TS]

  that note I we will say goodbye i'm [TS]

  jason snow thanks for listening to our [TS]

  silliness until next time bye-bye [TS]

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