The Incomparable

9: Get the Bone Saw!


00:00:00   do you have your blue blankie handy in [TS]

00:00:04   case things get a little too scary on [TS]

00:00:06   this podcast i can hide under the desk [TS]

00:00:09   that's good I i could pull the [TS]

00:00:10   microphone down there too but if I need [TS]

00:00:12   to continue podcasting while while [TS]

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00:00:30   this is the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:33   fantastic and the subject today as we [TS]

00:00:36   headed on toward halloween is all thanks [TS]

00:00:38   Carrie and the only people i could get [TS]

00:00:40   to come on this podcast are two of the [TS]

00:00:43   scariest people i know Steve let's and [TS]

00:00:45   ben boychuk thank you sir appreciate [TS]

00:00:48   that assessment [TS]

00:00:49   yeah well you're very welcome banner you [TS]

00:00:51   was still alive review been horribly [TS]

00:00:53   killed by a an axe murderer [TS]

00:00:56   don't be alarmed his call is coming from [TS]

00:00:59   inside for coming tomorrow [TS]

00:01:01   oh I am alarmed i'm horribly alarmed [TS]

00:01:05   so we have actually had an interesting [TS]

00:01:06   email thread when we were putting this [TS]

00:01:08   together which it was that I'm it turns [TS]

00:01:10   out that a lot of our regular [TS]

00:01:11   contributors to the podcast are afraid [TS]

00:01:13   of are afraid of being scared [TS]

00:01:15   which you know i guess i can guess and [TS]

00:01:17   then there was this whole conversation [TS]

00:01:18   about like good horror and bad horror [TS]

00:01:20   and what makes a good kind of scary or [TS]

00:01:23   horror movie versus what you know which [TS]

00:01:27   ones are bad and I'm just kind of [TS]

00:01:29   curious what you guys think what what is [TS]

00:01:32   an example of of something if somebody [TS]

00:01:35   wants to watch something that is going [TS]

00:01:36   to put them in the Halloween spirit with [TS]

00:01:38   the kind of stuff they should be going [TS]

00:01:39   for [TS]

00:01:40   well it again it depends largely on [TS]

00:01:42   whether you're the kind of candy ass [TS]

00:01:44   that apparently the rest of the podcast [TS]

00:01:45   people [TS]

00:01:46   yes 10 20 Hertz or if you're into [TS]

00:01:49   something maybe a little more gruesome a [TS]

00:01:51   little more gory I think just in general [TS]

00:01:54   most people will say or at least will [TS]

00:01:56   only admit to appreciating films that [TS]

00:01:58   are a little more subtle little less [TS]

00:02:00   blood intensive and I can sort of see [TS]

00:02:03   their point there although and my [TS]

00:02:04   personal opinion is any horror is [TS]

00:02:06   generally good horror and even bad [TS]

00:02:08   horror is is frequently entertaining to [TS]

00:02:11   some extent you can watch these classic [TS]

00:02:14   seventies Italian gorefest and just [TS]

00:02:17   laugh your ass off for an hour [TS]

00:02:19   see now it's funny that you mentioned [TS]

00:02:20   that I i was going to say that the times [TS]

00:02:22   that i have watched something that would [TS]

00:02:23   be classified as horror or kind of [TS]

00:02:25   horror like the ones that I've enjoyed [TS]

00:02:28   are the ones where i felt like i could [TS]

00:02:29   laugh and not just you know I guess it's [TS]

00:02:32   a combination right it's sort of a laugh [TS]

00:02:33   as a release from what you're seeing but [TS]

00:02:35   also that they they can be really funny [TS]

00:02:37   and have a sense of humor and for me [TS]

00:02:38   that can make the difference between [TS]

00:02:40   something being kind of just deadly and [TS]

00:02:43   being entertaining LOL frequently [TS]

00:02:45   they're just so bad for you but yeah I [TS]

00:02:48   mean a lot of actually a lot of recent [TS]

00:02:50   releases since I guess the dawn of irony [TS]

00:02:53   in the last couple of decades no irony [TS]

00:02:57   yeah well you know it has spawned some [TS]

00:02:59   good things like it's some decent horror [TS]

00:03:02   movies with some some actual humor [TS]

00:03:05   content to them there's generally some [TS]

00:03:06   good dark humor involved you know I go [TS]

00:03:10   back maybe to the screen series as as [TS]

00:03:12   the first good example of that [TS]

00:03:14   yeah yeah and then and a few more recent [TS]

00:03:17   entries like Ginger Snaps was I thought [TS]

00:03:19   very funny [TS]

00:03:20   now what does that tell me about that's [TS]

00:03:21   a werewolf movie that likens the whole [TS]

00:03:25   lycanthrope e turning into a werewolf [TS]

00:03:27   business to the onset of puberty [TS]

00:03:29   particularly in the case of girls so [TS]

00:03:33   there's a young young last named ginger [TS]

00:03:37   ah yes yeah I think I see where you're [TS]

00:03:39   going here at the wesley that's the kind [TS]

00:03:41   of hilarious glorious holiday i'm [TS]

00:03:43   talking about so not very similar and [TS]

00:03:46   she and her sister are young goth teens [TS]

00:03:49   who are very into the sort of [TS]

00:03:51   over-the-top gore and I think the first [TS]

00:03:54   the the sequence over the credits is [TS]

00:03:57   them basically staging glory deaths for [TS]

00:03:59   themselves because they're both don't [TS]

00:04:01   think your listeners and they like to [TS]

00:04:04   sit around in their room and think about [TS]

00:04:06   how they're going to die horrific Lee [TS]

00:04:07   any day now and the one girl happens to [TS]

00:04:11   get her period and immediately after she [TS]

00:04:15   and her sister are walking through the [TS]

00:04:16   park and they're attacked by a werewolf [TS]

00:04:18   so over the next few days weeks whatever [TS]

00:04:21   the that the girl begins to transform in [TS]

00:04:26   a multitude of ways and it draws some [TS]

00:04:32   interesting parallels i think in [TS]

00:04:34   addition to being just a genuinely scary [TS]

00:04:36   werewolf movie with the eye with non CGI [TS]

00:04:39   effects which is also a positive thing [TS]

00:04:41   in this day and age [TS]

00:04:43   so I i highly recommend it it's it's [TS]

00:04:46   it's scary it's funny the werewolf [TS]

00:04:48   action is not as cheesy as one has come [TS]

00:04:51   to expect and and like my idea of that [TS]

00:04:54   other layer there i mean that's what [TS]

00:04:56   that's what hooked me on the first [TS]

00:04:57   season of buffy the vampire slayer which [TS]

00:05:00   was really low budget and what I when I [TS]

00:05:02   got out of it was that they were taking [TS]

00:05:03   some of these classic horror movie kind [TS]

00:05:06   of scenarios and you know playing them [TS]

00:05:08   as having their equivalents in kind of [TS]

00:05:11   team in highschool angst and and that [TS]

00:05:13   was a that was a good call that really [TS]

00:05:15   worked for sure [TS]

00:05:16   yeah and I think it has a lot of [TS]

00:05:17   parallels to to Buffy in that respect [TS]

00:05:20   and it's also very smart which is [TS]

00:05:23   something you don't often get the the [TS]

00:05:25   dialogue is sharp the girls don't seem [TS]

00:05:27   shaky the acting is very good both of [TS]

00:05:29   the girls particularly the the sister [TS]

00:05:31   who basically is charged with making [TS]

00:05:34   sure that her werewolf a sibling doesn't [TS]

00:05:38   mall the whole school she's fantastic [TS]

00:05:41   emily perkins is your name and she's I [TS]

00:05:43   don't think she's gone on to do anything [TS]

00:05:44   but other than the two sequels which I [TS]

00:05:48   guess declined in quality pretty rapidly [TS]

00:05:50   as they tend to do but yeah just an [TS]

00:05:53   excellent film i would recommend that [TS]

00:05:54   one recent I think it's about 2003 call [TS]

00:05:57   Canadian so you know it has that going [TS]

00:06:00   against it but yeah yeah so they say all [TS]

00:06:02   sorts of a suspicious things like a boot [TS]

00:06:05   and indeed and in fact I think perhaps [TS]

00:06:07   the most controversial thing is that the [TS]

00:06:09   movie does include scenes of field [TS]

00:06:11   hockey so yeah you gotta be prepared for [TS]

00:06:14   that was writing thanksgiving happens in [TS]

00:06:17   october and it's very mysterious why [TS]

00:06:18   that is never explained it's a mystery [TS]

00:06:24   um I that's great i'm going to put that [TS]

00:06:27   on my list that's actually i'm excited i [TS]

00:06:29   was going to say the only things that I [TS]

00:06:30   would even classify as remotely can I [TS]

00:06:32   could be considered horror that I think [TS]

00:06:34   I've seen in the last 10 years are well [TS]

00:06:38   you know is let the right one in really [TS]

00:06:40   really horror I mean it's kind of like [TS]

00:06:43   us a Swedish drama that happens to have [TS]

00:06:46   a vampire in it [TS]

00:06:48   yeah I haven't actually seen it in its [TS]

00:06:50   entirety yeah it's good I liked it a lot [TS]

00:06:53   ahead of me and what looks like [TS]

00:06:55   the-the-the ravaging of the film by [TS]

00:06:58   whatever the new let me in that rise [TS]

00:07:01   come out I've seen the ads for that and [TS]

00:07:03   sort of shaking my head thinking well [TS]

00:07:04   this looks like a coupling all over [TS]

00:07:08   again and what that that's always the [TS]

00:07:10   fear although i've seen some positive [TS]

00:07:11   things about you I don't know it [TS]

00:07:13   Let The Right One In was really good and [TS]

00:07:15   any other two that i guess i would put [TS]

00:07:16   in this category are 28 days later and [TS]

00:07:20   Shaun of the Dead which again more [TS]

00:07:22   prepared and start yet but still a great [TS]

00:07:24   great movie and 20 days later I really [TS]

00:07:26   liked him [TS]

00:07:26   I think one of the reasons i liked it is [TS]

00:07:28   that it was almost like a in an action [TS]

00:07:31   movie with horror pieces in it and not [TS]

00:07:33   sort of your your your usual like a [TS]

00:07:35   stereotypical horror kind of setup sure [TS]

00:07:39   you have also mentioned cloverfield [TS]

00:07:42   right Jason [TS]

00:07:43   yeah well what would you I mean that's a [TS]

00:07:44   monster movie i love cloverfield i'm one [TS]

00:07:47   of those people who thinks be and that's [TS]

00:07:49   the guy who directed the let the right [TS]

00:07:51   one in remake actually the same guy [TS]

00:07:53   believes yeah and I'll of cloverfield [TS]

00:07:55   which I know a lot of people complain [TS]

00:07:58   because it's this sort of you know it's [TS]

00:08:00   that 20-somethings at a party and it's [TS]

00:08:03   their home video footage and yeah that's [TS]

00:08:05   true but for me the idea of saying okay [TS]

00:08:08   after nine eleven we've really seen what [TS]

00:08:10   massive destruction in a major city [TS]

00:08:12   really looks like in real life so what [TS]

00:08:16   if there was a giant godzilla-like [TS]

00:08:17   monster walking through a city it would [TS]

00:08:19   be pretty horrific and you know [TS]

00:08:21   buildings with building's coming down as [TS]

00:08:24   a lot of effect beyond what it did when [TS]

00:08:26   it was a guy in a suit in a styrofoam [TS]

00:08:28   tower you know flew off in a block and I [TS]

00:08:31   found that really effective that you [TS]

00:08:33   know we you know you you take a big [TS]

00:08:35   monster and put them in New York and and [TS]

00:08:37   we know what's going to happen and it's [TS]

00:08:38   going to be terrible [TS]

00:08:40   that's my clover field tonight and it [TS]

00:08:41   has yeah the benefit and we'll go ahead [TS]

00:08:44   i was just gonna say it has the benefit [TS]

00:08:46   over the classic Japanese horror movies [TS]

00:08:47   and not having tiny japanese boys and [TS]

00:08:50   very small disturbing shorts [TS]

00:08:52   yes also know Raymond Burr members [TS]

00:08:55   present always a plus bi I would count [TS]

00:08:57   that against it [TS]

00:08:58   alright well he's he's um he's dead now [TS]

00:09:01   so we're going to horrific reanimated [TS]

00:09:03   corpse of rain well okay i might have [TS]

00:09:04   batted in [TS]

00:09:05   actually yes that would have been that [TS]

00:09:07   would have put it over the top [TS]

00:09:09   cloverfield over-the-top if the zombie [TS]

00:09:11   zombie Raymond Burr appears at the end [TS]

00:09:13   and says this has been a terrible [TS]

00:09:15   mistake and has tried to do things that [TS]

00:09:17   he should never have tried and [TS]

00:09:19   cloverfield was the result [TS]

00:09:21   now I must go any brains I don't [TS]

00:09:25   understand why you know what the hell's [TS]

00:09:27   the matter with these geeks what that [TS]

00:09:30   you know [TS]

00:09:31   ok so think about all the sort of horror [TS]

00:09:36   sci-fi crossovers that all the other [TS]

00:09:40   people who regularly participate on this [TS]

00:09:42   podcast have seen and could talk about i [TS]

00:09:46   know i mean think about like I think you [TS]

00:09:48   for example you guys I think you guys [TS]

00:09:50   talking about saw scared them scared [TS]

00:09:53   them well yeah i'm going to bring us all [TS]

00:09:55   until long after everybody had already [TS]

00:09:57   stepped up as being punk ass pumps [TS]

00:09:59   yes you think it would think about like [TS]

00:10:02   alien mean there you got it you got a [TS]

00:10:04   sci-fi horror that's more of a mean [TS]

00:10:07   really it's more of a horror film one of [TS]

00:10:09   those is absolutely a horror movie on a [TS]

00:10:12   spaceship but that's that's that's [TS]

00:10:14   really a horrible when it's a great one [TS]

00:10:15   but i think you know honestly Ben I [TS]

00:10:19   think one of the reasons that this came [TS]

00:10:21   up and we can talk about saw and other [TS]

00:10:24   movies like that if if you want to but I [TS]

00:10:26   think what this started with is [TS]

00:10:28   especially when we were you know teenage [TS]

00:10:31   movie goers the the whole run of friday [TS]

00:10:34   the thirteenth and halloween and you [TS]

00:10:38   know all of those kind of really cheap [TS]

00:10:40   schwake horror movies I think made a lot [TS]

00:10:45   of people including myself say well I'm [TS]

00:10:47   not interested in that stuff and and [TS]

00:10:48   that's not to say that we're not [TS]

00:10:49   interested in scary movies or even kind [TS]

00:10:52   of bloody awful horror horrible movies [TS]

00:10:55   it's just that you know some of it got [TS]

00:10:57   that taint of and i like to say that [TS]

00:10:58   that ate that's where you see if he'd [TS]

00:11:01   appreciate that of of you know just the [TS]

00:11:05   schlock of you know Freddy Krueger [TS]

00:11:07   nightmare on elm street part 12 [TS]

00:11:10   well that's but that's always been the [TS]

00:11:12   case and still is today I'm [TS]

00:11:14   if you and that's true with any kind of [TS]

00:11:16   film you're gonna have one or two gems [TS]

00:11:19   in the mountain of crap so even as we [TS]

00:11:22   were getting the you know friday the [TS]

00:11:24   13th part 37 Jason goes to receita you [TS]

00:11:29   know we also had the know that's where [TS]

00:11:31   we had poltergeist which was a fantastic [TS]

00:11:33   movie I still considered amongst the [TS]

00:11:36   best that I've at least in terms of [TS]

00:11:39   scariness that I've ever seen [TS]

00:11:41   we had that without there's a lot of [TS]

00:11:45   classic skating eighties films that none [TS]

00:11:47   of which are jumping to mind at the [TS]

00:11:48   moment of course because we're trying to [TS]

00:11:50   think of the point is that in any genre [TS]

00:11:51   you're going to get the flock and you're [TS]

00:11:53   gonna get the flock that people know and [TS]

00:11:54   and becomes popular because that's one [TS]

00:11:56   of the reasons it becomes popular is one [TS]

00:11:59   of them hits and then they run into the [TS]

00:12:00   ground in order to make money at it and [TS]

00:12:02   it's not necessarily those of those [TS]

00:12:04   movies that are the best representatives [TS]

00:12:06   of the genre there there's the ones that [TS]

00:12:08   everybody hears about that give the [TS]

00:12:09   Sonora bad name right i mean you think [TS]

00:12:12   about and we could run down friday the [TS]

00:12:15   thirteenth and and Nightmare on Elm [TS]

00:12:17   Street but I mean for the first the [TS]

00:12:19   first and second but really the first [TS]

00:12:21   friday the 13th really good that was and [TS]

00:12:25   you know and the first nightmare as well [TS]

00:12:26   and the first nightmare was magnificent [TS]

00:12:29   and you know we they sort of became self [TS]

00:12:33   parodies after after four five or six [TS]

00:12:36   and i think in part that was why they [TS]

00:12:37   were so popular because they are they [TS]

00:12:39   weren't frightening in any way people [TS]

00:12:41   would go to one with their friends and [TS]

00:12:42   they sit around and laugh because they [TS]

00:12:44   knew basically it was going to be [TS]

00:12:45   Seventeen's die one survives and you [TS]

00:12:49   know there really isn't anything to be [TS]

00:12:50   concerned about because you already know [TS]

00:12:52   what's going to happen right right yeah [TS]

00:12:55   and and so a lot of that stuff you know [TS]

00:12:58   I I have very fond memories is seeing [TS]

00:13:02   those know what I was a when I was a [TS]

00:13:04   teenager that the movies that really [TS]

00:13:06   stick in my head though [TS]

00:13:07   mino-the-cat are kind of the movies that [TS]

00:13:10   that i ran across women when I was maybe [TS]

00:13:12   11 or 12 or 13 years old on cable should [TS]

00:13:17   we should we be veering off into this [TS]

00:13:19   territory [TS]

00:13:20   I thought this was about horror movies [TS]

00:13:22   oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:13:23   yeah i'll probably but c'mon man we [TS]

00:13:28   didn't have those channels that we did [TS]

00:13:30   but they were on the UHF channels and [TS]

00:13:32   they were scrambled so right so you can [TS]

00:13:33   only hear them right [TS]

00:13:34   I spent all my time trying to squeeze my [TS]

00:13:36   eyes did exactly the right angle so that [TS]

00:13:38   the green twisted boob would form into [TS]

00:13:41   an actually you know [TS]

00:13:42   normal human looking but you got to hear [TS]

00:13:45   a lot of music with the want people in [TS]

00:13:46   it and it always is he didn't other [TS]

00:13:49   noises you didn't understand but no I'm [TS]

00:13:52   thinking if I mean I think of stuff like [TS]

00:13:54   remember the old z channel I'm did you [TS]

00:13:57   guys ever have those each I was that [TS]

00:13:59   wasn't so that was an LA thing i know i [TS]

00:14:00   don't think i ever and I think so yeah [TS]

00:14:02   yeah that you know and we had to the Z [TS]

00:14:04   gentleman you know in the late seventies [TS]

00:14:06   and early eighties and you know HBO and [TS]

00:14:08   showtime so run across movies like like [TS]

00:14:13   ghost story changeling which i think i [TS]

00:14:16   saw probably 25 tile of the changeling [TS]

00:14:20   so tell me about that and it will be [TS]

00:14:22   clear here there is angelina jolie is [TS]

00:14:24   not involved in any way [TS]

00:14:26   no no this was this was the start [TS]

00:14:29   George see Scott who is often mistaken [TS]

00:14:31   for Angelina Jolie well you can [TS]

00:14:33   understand the lips and the changeling [TS]

00:14:38   came out i think in that I think it was [TS]

00:14:40   19-8 i want to say d1 yeah 80 or 81 and [TS]

00:14:46   start George see Scott moves into this [TS]

00:14:50   this old mansion which was previously [TS]

00:14:53   occupied by the family of this this [TS]

00:14:56   powerful United States Senator in and [TS]

00:14:59   strange things start to happen a lot of [TS]

00:15:02   ways you know that you know since it's [TS]

00:15:04   sort of a clichéd ghost type of movie [TS]

00:15:08   you know with things that go bump in the [TS]

00:15:10   night right no he's just starts to see [TS]

00:15:13   things and hear things and in the Attic [TS]

00:15:15   upstairs and he starts to piece together [TS]

00:15:18   the history of this house who live there [TS]

00:15:21   now is he staying in the house because [TS]

00:15:22   it was willed to him by a relative who [TS]

00:15:24   said he had to stay there one night [TS]

00:15:26   before he could inherit of and he's all [TS]

00:15:28   like this is actually they're here this [TS]

00:15:29   is his wife and daughter get killed in [TS]

00:15:32   the opening frame to the movies right [TS]

00:15:34   yeah that's right hit by a car [TS]

00:15:36   it there i think their cargoes out in a [TS]

00:15:38   snowstorm and they're hiking to a phone [TS]

00:15:40   or something and turns around and sees [TS]

00:15:42   his wife and daughter getting barreled [TS]

00:15:43   over by a by a semi and so yeah there's [TS]

00:15:46   a lot of emotional resonance in the film [TS]

00:15:48   because he's dealing with the death of [TS]

00:15:49   his wife and daughter and yet there's [TS]

00:15:50   this spirit of what turns out to be a [TS]

00:15:53   very young child that's right sort of [TS]

00:15:56   calling out to him through his grief [TS]

00:15:58   huh yeah and it's that there's a lot of [TS]

00:16:00   banging on the pipes in the house and I [TS]

00:16:03   think there's a great scene where a [TS]

00:16:05   rubber ball that I think belong to his [TS]

00:16:07   daughter I comes rolling down the stairs [TS]

00:16:11   bouncing down the stairs yeah and and he [TS]

00:16:13   throws it in his rage that you know it [TS]

00:16:16   it's his daughter and he has these [TS]

00:16:17   memories he throws it down the hall and [TS]

00:16:20   he goes back and sits down and tries to [TS]

00:16:22   start writing again and he hears the [TS]

00:16:24   ball come rolling down the stairs again [TS]

00:16:26   right it's a great scene and pen [TS]

00:16:29   its the hole filled up is just filled [TS]

00:16:31   with spots like that just kind of make [TS]

00:16:34   your your spine quiver [TS]

00:16:36   yeah and you know and they're there are [TS]

00:16:39   elements of that film in particular [TS]

00:16:40   everyone you when you find out you know [TS]

00:16:43   what happened to the child and and you [TS]

00:16:45   know there's no Senor the climax of the [TS]

00:16:48   movie where you kind of you don't you [TS]

00:16:51   know you see this this small child's [TS]

00:16:54   fist banging against the side of this [TS]

00:16:57   bathtub and that's kind of a banging [TS]

00:16:59   that he's been hearing throughout this [TS]

00:17:00   whole picture and it you know it hits [TS]

00:17:03   you what is happening and that's the [TS]

00:17:05   that's the horror of the thing that's [TS]

00:17:07   the horror picture and you realize when [TS]

00:17:10   you want you realize what has happened [TS]

00:17:12   and and those are the kind of horror [TS]

00:17:15   movies and I that I really liked [TS]

00:17:17   we talked about this Jason we when we [TS]

00:17:21   did the infinite monkeys podcast about a [TS]

00:17:23   year ago talking about these pictures [TS]

00:17:25   and one of the things that came up in [TS]

00:17:27   that was this idea of the things unseen [TS]

00:17:31   are almost you know as horrible or even [TS]

00:17:34   more horrible than the sort of things [TS]

00:17:36   that you see on screen now within a lot [TS]

00:17:38   of these core pictures and you know that [TS]

00:17:40   the horror of of this this child being [TS]

00:17:43   murdered in a tub [TS]

00:17:45   you know it's stuck with me now for [TS]

00:17:48   for 30 years more so than any sort of [TS]

00:17:52   you know so some guy getting is giving [TS]

00:17:55   his head blown off or anything yeah [TS]

00:17:57   right yeah yeah i mean do you agree with [TS]

00:18:01   that Steve I mean I i know you have a [TS]

00:18:02   slightly different take on on some of [TS]

00:18:04   the you know some of the saw pictures [TS]

00:18:06   and hostile thing ya know I do agree [TS]

00:18:08   with that I i think that it plays I [TS]

00:18:12   think more on the sort of the the fears [TS]

00:18:15   that we had when we were kids you know [TS]

00:18:17   when we'd be walking down a dark hole in [TS]

00:18:19   our house in the middle of the night and [TS]

00:18:20   we'd hear something move and of course [TS]

00:18:22   we never see it because it was now that [TS]

00:18:24   I the air-conditioning kicking on and [TS]

00:18:26   blowing something over or something but [TS]

00:18:28   it's just made all the tariff all the [TS]

00:18:32   more terrifying by that fact i think [TS]

00:18:34   probably the best example of that is [TS]

00:18:35   that i can think of is is the the [TS]

00:18:38   haunting which is josh i think it was [TS]

00:18:42   actually rated g I mean there's really [TS]

00:18:43   nothing in there that's that's gory or [TS]

00:18:46   even all that frightening certainly [TS]

00:18:47   nothing in your face and there's scene i [TS]

00:18:50   remember from when I was a kid that's [TS]

00:18:52   it's really nothing I go back and look [TS]

00:18:54   at it today but there's just again with [TS]

00:18:57   some there they're staying in this a [TS]

00:18:58   haunted house and and there's just this [TS]

00:19:03   banging going on arm again you know not [TS]

00:19:07   screaming not not anything that sounds [TS]

00:19:09   like anything that would be scary but at [TS]

00:19:11   the same time it's just you know this [TS]

00:19:12   banging is going on over and over again [TS]

00:19:14   and the camerawork they just sort of [TS]

00:19:16   zoom in on this section of the wall and [TS]

00:19:19   there's really nothing there but as [TS]

00:19:21   you're watching and you're hearing this [TS]

00:19:22   banging and the characters in the room [TS]

00:19:24   are starting to get increasingly freaked [TS]

00:19:26   out by this banging you kind of think [TS]

00:19:28   you can see this face in the pattern on [TS]

00:19:30   the wall but it's it to this day I'm [TS]

00:19:33   still not really sure it was there or [TS]

00:19:35   whether i was just sort of imagining it [TS]

00:19:37   and I i think those eyes those tend to [TS]

00:19:39   be a lot more effective simply because [TS]

00:19:41   you know you don't really have the [TS]

00:19:44   payoff of seeing you know that the [TS]

00:19:46   bloody entrails like you do with a [TS]

00:19:48   zombie film you just have to kind of [TS]

00:19:50   continue after you've seen the film to [TS]

00:19:53   think about it and kind of wonder what [TS]

00:19:54   the hell was bad so I think it sticks in [TS]

00:19:56   your mind a bit more [TS]

00:19:57   yeah I think that's right i think that's [TS]

00:19:59   right and and I think that mean [TS]

00:20:02   you know I like I do like some of the [TS]

00:20:04   some of the gore films and we did chat [TS]

00:20:07   about this on on on email before we did [TS]

00:20:11   this and I and I I the soft films don't [TS]

00:20:14   do anything for me and then and the [TS]

00:20:16   hospital pictures don't do anything for [TS]

00:20:18   me that there have been a few that i've [TS]

00:20:21   really liked and I do love you know [TS]

00:20:24   going back to what we were discussing [TS]

00:20:25   earlier you know that some of those [TS]

00:20:27   films from the eighties some of those [TS]

00:20:29   sequel some of those bad friday 13 [TS]

00:20:31   sequels or actually more than the [TS]

00:20:33   nightmare on elm street sequels to do [TS]

00:20:35   the dream warriors effect that this you [TS]

00:20:42   know that you can kind of see where you [TS]

00:20:44   know Craven was already leaning to work [TS]

00:20:48   on the screen pictures in those [TS]

00:20:49   nightmare films i think you know became [TS]

00:20:52   sort of self-consciously i'm not sure [TS]

00:20:55   how many of those he actually even held [TS]

00:20:57   I think he gave up after the second or [TS]

00:20:58   third film and just sort of how you know [TS]

00:21:00   you may be right i don't remember who [TS]

00:21:01   did that the dream wars won I do [TS]

00:21:04   remember seeing that the theater bell [TS]

00:21:06   and I remember the soundtrack for it i [TS]

00:21:08   remember is I think somebody actually [TS]

00:21:10   semi-famous was in that last shoot I [TS]

00:21:16   don't have it at my disposal so I was [TS]

00:21:18   thinking about other movies that I've [TS]

00:21:20   seen that I might I might drop into this [TS]

00:21:22   category and actually while you're [TS]

00:21:24   looking that up because I can hear the [TS]

00:21:26   sounds of the Internet in the background [TS]

00:21:28   I'll Patricia Arquette believe she was [TS]

00:21:31   going to meet the mute girl right [TS]

00:21:34   the blonde mute girls that's right cam [TS]

00:21:36   exploit yeah apparently Laurence [TS]

00:21:38   Fishburne made an appearance this [TS]

00:21:40   podcast brought to you by IMDb yeah [TS]

00:21:44   oh you internet so celebrating 20 years [TS]

00:21:46   of being the best side of the internet [TS]

00:21:49   anyway go ahead [TS]

00:21:50   well the original terminator if we think [TS]

00:21:52   about is this action movie franchise now [TS]

00:21:54   but that original terminator movie is [TS]

00:21:57   actually I think structurally maybe more [TS]

00:21:59   of a horror movie because it's this [TS]

00:22:01   unstoppable killing machine and yeah [TS]

00:22:02   it's coming from the future but it's so [TS]

00:22:04   it's dark and kind of gritty and he's [TS]

00:22:06   driving his car into the police station [TS]

00:22:09   and he you know he won't stop until he's [TS]

00:22:11   killed everybody and you [TS]

00:22:13   I I mean the only genre is run together [TS]

00:22:15   but when i watch that movie I thought it [TS]

00:22:17   was not just an action movie but you [TS]

00:22:19   know it was it was scary because Arnold [TS]

00:22:21   Schwarzenegger who is you know kind of [TS]

00:22:23   taken away from that in the second one [TS]

00:22:26   right where they make him the good guy [TS]

00:22:27   but in the first one is just horrible [TS]

00:22:29   right he's he's he's scary is the scary [TS]

00:22:32   endless immortal killing machine [TS]

00:22:36   yes no yeah no I'm with ya yeah i think [TS]

00:22:39   so i think there's something to that I I [TS]

00:22:42   don't ice [TS]

00:22:42   I don't see it in quite the same way as [TS]

00:22:45   maybe some of these other well no but [TS]

00:22:48   I'm just trying to justify that i'm not [TS]

00:22:50   a you know I I that I've actually seen [TS]

00:22:53   movies that might qualify but there are [TS]

00:22:55   so few that how about that how about [TS]

00:22:57   zombie movies now I'm I've seen a few [TS]

00:22:59   but I'm i know this is an entire genre [TS]

00:23:01   and it's I I feel like zombies are gonna [TS]

00:23:04   be the next vampire I cannot wait too [TS]

00:23:06   late for that they're almost over [TS]

00:23:07   exposed now [TS]

00:23:09   yeah well I'm going to this vampires are [TS]

00:23:10   completely overexposed right mommy's are [TS]

00:23:12   headed in that direction this kind of [TS]

00:23:14   this hipster zombie thing going on that [TS]

00:23:16   I'm I'm not really really good [TS]

00:23:18   all that into hipster zombies yeah [TS]

00:23:21   whenever somebody's not this army [TS]

00:23:22   themselves are hipsters but the hipsters [TS]

00:23:24   are big into zombies now huh cheapens [TS]

00:23:27   the currents it really does i mean it's [TS]

00:23:29   not as bad as say between you know is [TS]

00:23:32   our vampire fans but I trust it's still [TS]

00:23:35   sort of obnoxious so what if if one was [TS]

00:23:39   going to to shop for a a good zombie [TS]

00:23:43   movie to watch on what that what Donna [TS]

00:23:46   the dad dad was really going on to the [TS]

00:23:48   dead is it and it has also the advantage [TS]

00:23:52   that it'sit's really also more of an [TS]

00:23:53   action movie than a horror movie in a [TS]

00:23:55   lot of ways there's a lot of commandos [TS]

00:23:58   running through the mall blowing the [TS]

00:24:00   heads off a zombie zombies themselves [TS]

00:24:02   are are sort of comical in a way I mean [TS]

00:24:04   they they lumber around they have this [TS]

00:24:08   kind of bluish cast to the skin so they [TS]

00:24:10   they almost are more cartoonish than [TS]

00:24:12   really horrific and and it has also this [TS]

00:24:15   nice undercurrent of George Romero's [TS]

00:24:18   social commentary which is a big plus [TS]

00:24:22   basically the whole thing is the screen [TS]

00:24:23   on consumerism but a pretty good one I [TS]

00:24:26   think it has [TS]

00:24:27   the gunk and it has the gonk which is [TS]

00:24:29   yeah easily the best most iconic horror [TS]

00:24:32   tune ever i think with the possible [TS]

00:24:36   exception of the halloween Thames I i [TS]

00:24:39   thought the remake those for the [TS]

00:24:40   Snyder's we make it was pretty good yeah [TS]

00:24:43   but again I expected to dislike it [TS]

00:24:45   because of the the whole fact that they [TS]

00:24:47   turned into the the running zombies as [TS]

00:24:48   opposed to the lumbering zombies [TS]

00:24:50   yes that's that's the great [TS]

00:24:53   philosophical today it's the 28 days [TS]

00:24:55   later style right zombies action zombies [TS]

00:24:57   but a it ended up being a great film in [TS]

00:25:00   its own right i think it would probably [TS]

00:25:01   have improved a lot of people's views if [TS]

00:25:05   they hadn't used the dawn of the dead [TS]

00:25:06   name i think they were there using that [TS]

00:25:08   to get butts in seats but had they [TS]

00:25:09   called it something completely different [TS]

00:25:11   I i think it would have been a lot more [TS]

00:25:14   acclaimed by at least people in horror [TS]

00:25:16   community I certainly would have been [TS]

00:25:17   more likely to watch it early on rather [TS]

00:25:20   than grudgingly and with the expectation [TS]

00:25:22   that i was going to hate it but it [TS]

00:25:24   turned out to be as an excellent film [TS]

00:25:25   and its own right and also a lot of time [TS]

00:25:27   a lot of action / horror i think that [TS]

00:25:31   one of the great opening sequences in [TS]

00:25:33   recent memory haha because we see ya [TS]

00:25:35   head shot just in the hell's that guy's [TS]

00:25:38   name used to torture us in the 830 [TS]

00:25:41   Thursday slot on NBC all the time Justin [TS]

00:25:43   Lewis who is he [TS]

00:25:45   oh he's one of those bit sitcom guys [TS]

00:25:48   that would show up in the in the 830 [TS]

00:25:50   slot on NBC along with the comments [TS]

00:25:53   along with Jonathan Silverman he was one [TS]

00:25:55   of those guys that would show up as a [TS]

00:25:56   supporting character and and he bites it [TS]

00:25:59   and then at the opening the one of the [TS]

00:26:01   early early scenes he ends up getting [TS]

00:26:03   consumed by his young daughter and it's [TS]

00:26:06   a wonderful thing yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:09   for those of us who've just loads his [TS]

00:26:12   visits for years upon years what about [TS]

00:26:15   I'm zombieland if you see map have not [TS]

00:26:17   heard that yeah holiday in there and [TS]

00:26:19   apparently there's yes it's not yet [TS]

00:26:21   another horror comedy but that's got a [TS]

00:26:23   famous star in it playing himself as [TS]

00:26:26   well I won't spoil it but yeah but it's [TS]

00:26:28   very good i don't want to spoil it but [TS]

00:26:30   it's Bill Murray [TS]

00:26:30   haha i think i did there ok he spoiled [TS]

00:26:35   it [TS]

00:26:35   yeah yeah but you don't know what [TS]

00:26:37   happens to them I won't tell you [TS]

00:26:39   zombieland was a lot of fun i hear they [TS]

00:26:42   make I think they're thinking about a [TS]

00:26:43   sequel that I don't think that's such a [TS]

00:26:45   good idea [TS]

00:26:45   that's yeah yeah I like the I like i [TS]

00:26:48   said i like the horror comedy thing I I [TS]

00:26:50   that works for me the idea of like a [TS]

00:26:53   shot Sean of the Dead is such a great [TS]

00:26:54   movie and I know you know what all but [TS]

00:26:55   you know what all the all the gags are [TS]

00:26:58   the sort of standard gags but it's it's [TS]

00:27:00   legitimately funny and I and has [TS]

00:27:02   legitimate scary stuff in it to win it [TS]

00:27:04   sort of surprises me in a way that you [TS]

00:27:06   were that you appreciated Shauna that as [TS]

00:27:08   much as you did because I think to [TS]

00:27:09   really appreciate that movie you have to [TS]

00:27:11   be intimately aware with this sort of [TS]

00:27:13   zombie clichés that see I think it's [TS]

00:27:17   gonna be I think that zombie clichés [TS]

00:27:19   have have have reached down sort of our [TS]

00:27:21   reach and i'll show ya [TS]

00:27:24   yeah I think so I think so i'm i'm [TS]

00:27:27   really looking forward to in fact to the [TS]

00:27:30   walking dead which premieres on [TS]

00:27:31   halloween on AMC based on Robert [TS]

00:27:33   Kirkman's comic book series which I've [TS]

00:27:36   read and which is great and you know [TS]

00:27:38   again it's using the trappings of horror [TS]

00:27:40   and and they're definitely there i'm [TS]

00:27:42   sure in the show there will be lots of [TS]

00:27:44   zombies getting their heads blown off [TS]

00:27:46   but you know it's also a drama about [TS]

00:27:48   what happens to the people who were [TS]

00:27:50   trying to survive the zombie apocalypse [TS]

00:27:51   some and I'm looking forward to it i [TS]

00:27:54   hope they don't mess it up because the [TS]

00:27:55   comic is very good and i have not [TS]

00:27:58   followed the comic because i can't read [TS]

00:28:00   but right uh but yeah that that that the [TS]

00:28:04   previews look phenomenal for that [TS]

00:28:06   yeah that's a good idea i mean it's a [TS]

00:28:08   it's a great concept it's a perfect kind [TS]

00:28:10   of vehicle for a TV show and they're [TS]

00:28:11   doing well six episodes i guess the [TS]

00:28:13   first season 6 episode that sounds like [TS]

00:28:15   they were really convinced and now the [TS]

00:28:16   buzz is so good and you know the rumor [TS]

00:28:18   is that they've already picked it up for [TS]

00:28:19   another year because they are so happy [TS]

00:28:22   with it while so yeah i'm looking [TS]

00:28:24   forward to that too [TS]

00:28:25   alright I've got the credit of one read [TS]

00:28:27   that Justin Lewis here and maybe maybe [TS]

00:28:30   this will always be something on your [TS]

00:28:32   memory some of his credits include two [TS]

00:28:35   guys a girl and a pizza place [TS]

00:28:37   I think that was just a guest spot [TS]

00:28:39   Battery Park which I think lasted one [TS]

00:28:41   episode [TS]

00:28:42   good morning miami on we can't close to [TS]

00:28:45   that let's see the fighting Fitzgerald's [TS]

00:28:48   he was Jim [TS]

00:28:50   the level of the gym micro me show [TS]

00:28:53   hidden hills how you know that the love [TS]

00:28:58   it's doug barber of Hidden Hills [TS]

00:28:59   apparently lasted 17 episodes that's [TS]

00:29:02   interesting and then he then he got [TS]

00:29:03   eaten on dawn of the dead so kudos to [TS]

00:29:08   well played sir [TS]

00:29:11   zack snyder you're not to like I have to [TS]

00:29:13   get my kudos to our yes [TS]

00:29:14   yeah your main man matt frewer was [TS]

00:29:17   briefly in that we make [TS]

00:29:21   oh yeah well that's good well he is zack [TS]

00:29:23   snyder seems to use them a lot because [TS]

00:29:24   he's also in and watch men as its Moloch [TS]

00:29:28   and then here's the trashcan man in the [TS]

00:29:32   ABC shiny series of this of the stand I [TS]

00:29:35   that's what it was he was trying to you [TS]

00:29:38   know I just stand and saying yeah what's [TS]

00:29:40   up Stephen Stephen King III guess what I [TS]

00:29:44   guess we should talk about the shining [TS]

00:29:45   though I you know Stanley Kubrick horror [TS]

00:29:48   movie director yes no a decent I you [TS]

00:29:53   know it wasn't shining know it was all [TS]

00:29:55   about what I read on the internet it [TS]

00:29:59   must be true [TS]

00:30:00   yeah it was either about it was either [TS]

00:30:03   about how cubic was responsible for [TS]

00:30:06   faking the moon landing or a it was [TS]

00:30:10   completely a metaphor for the American [TS]

00:30:13   massacre of the American wow yeah and [TS]

00:30:17   that's not all comes from the scene with [TS]

00:30:19   the scatman crothers getting hit with an [TS]

00:30:21   axe [TS]

00:30:23   that's supposed to represent a a [TS]

00:30:24   tomahawk or something [TS]

00:30:26   no actually no it is there's a couple [TS]

00:30:28   things there's one scene where where [TS]

00:30:30   Danny is wearing like a NASA shirt and [TS]

00:30:33   that's supposed to be the tip-off that [TS]

00:30:35   the moon landing when he was shooting [TS]

00:30:38   2001 had he had time to to fake moon [TS]

00:30:42   landing for the u.s. government that's [TS]

00:30:44   nice going to drop those little hints [TS]

00:30:45   for us [TS]

00:30:46   yeah and then there's and then I guess [TS]

00:30:48   there's there's kids throughout that [TS]

00:30:50   it's really not about Jack Torrance it's [TS]

00:30:53   all about we did that things anyway [TS]

00:30:56   that's me [TS]

00:30:57   i read it on the Internet [TS]

00:30:58   okay yeah I can't argue with that [TS]

00:31:03   yeah I like been rejected me I must have [TS]

00:31:05   seen it probably 20 times when I was a [TS]

00:31:07   kid [TS]

00:31:08   Bob and but you know there isn't [TS]

00:31:10   anything that stands out as particularly [TS]

00:31:12   scary in it [TS]

00:31:13   i I really appreciate a lot of the the [TS]

00:31:15   long shots which of course is pretty [TS]

00:31:18   much what you get with cubic write those [TS]

00:31:20   slow steady cam shots yeah i think the [TS]

00:31:23   whole opening is up this long trek up [TS]

00:31:25   the mountain to get to the Overlook [TS]

00:31:27   Hotel and that's that's pretty striking [TS]

00:31:30   and of course the big pans down the long [TS]

00:31:32   hallways are interesting mean it's it's [TS]

00:31:34   not particularly true to the text of the [TS]

00:31:36   book but it's beautifully directed but [TS]

00:31:39   again not terribly scary i mean there's [TS]

00:31:41   a few scenes that I think people [TS]

00:31:42   remember just because they saw it when [TS]

00:31:44   they were young that I guess the blood [TS]

00:31:46   rolling out of the elevator and then the [TS]

00:31:48   two little twins twins right [TS]

00:31:50   22 and then those of us who are a little [TS]

00:31:51   older when we saw it appreciated the [TS]

00:31:54   naked lady getting out of bathtub [TS]

00:31:56   yeah but then that we really really it [TS]

00:31:58   did as it usually does [TS]

00:32:00   so yeah a good film not really a high on [TS]

00:32:05   my list but good i do want to go back to [TS]

00:32:08   the saw and hostel that had been [TS]

00:32:10   mentioned earlier torture porn [TS]

00:32:12   yeah I have to but i have to mention it [TS]

00:32:15   because I know that that term really [TS]

00:32:17   turns you on [TS]

00:32:18   well it's just one of those blanket [TS]

00:32:19   terms that gets applied to a vast swath [TS]

00:32:23   of horror cinema kind of unfairly I [TS]

00:32:26   think just because there are squeamish [TS]

00:32:27   people who don't want to watch this [TS]

00:32:29   stuff and so you know i did not a big [TS]

00:32:33   fan of of terms like that but and and [TS]

00:32:36   saw in particular I'm not sure really [TS]

00:32:38   deserves it because you don't really see [TS]

00:32:40   much of anything and saw largely because [TS]

00:32:42   it's constant jump cuts and you have no [TS]

00:32:44   freaking clue what's going on in a [TS]

00:32:46   moment in the film but I've only seen [TS]

00:32:50   the first two saw films and both of them [TS]

00:32:51   basically you're looking at these sort [TS]

00:32:54   of elaborate traps that have been set up [TS]

00:32:56   for for the jigsaw killers victims and [TS]

00:32:59   very rarely if at all i think do you [TS]

00:33:01   ever see any of the actual results of [TS]

00:33:04   his contraptions but the horror is the [TS]

00:33:06   situation there right in where [TS]

00:33:08   and generally have off your arm in order [TS]

00:33:10   to escape right whatever it is and [TS]

00:33:12   generally it [TS]

00:33:13   it cuts away and you hear scream and and [TS]

00:33:15   and that's pretty much it so I'm not [TS]

00:33:18   sure torture porn really was ever [TS]

00:33:20   relevant to those those films are they [TS]

00:33:23   any good [TS]

00:33:24   shitty movie was relevant could do that [TS]

00:33:28   the first film in particular which has [TS]

00:33:31   some of the worst acting I think I've [TS]

00:33:33   ever seen a horror movie and that's [TS]

00:33:35   that's saying a lot because I've watched [TS]

00:33:37   a lot of Italian flicks but yeah a 1l is [TS]

00:33:40   is miserable he's one of the I think the [TS]

00:33:41   directors and writers of the film and [TS]

00:33:43   the other one is a guy from the princess [TS]

00:33:47   bride westley from the princess bride [TS]

00:33:49   ariel with cary elwes oh my God he's [TS]

00:33:51   he's over the top and his accent is just [TS]

00:33:55   magnificently bad and he's trying to do [TS]

00:33:58   an American accent but he slips into his [TS]

00:34:00   British frequently and man it's really [TS]

00:34:04   bad stuff and then of course the jump [TS]

00:34:07   cuts which kind of ruin everything [TS]

00:34:10   so so so saw but as it to be condemned [TS]

00:34:14   because it's bad [TS]

00:34:15   not because it's torture porn agreed and [TS]

00:34:17   it really the it's particularly [TS]

00:34:19   disappointing because it's a good [TS]

00:34:22   concept [TS]

00:34:23   I mean that it kind of stolen from seven [TS]

00:34:26   in a lot of ways with good execution it [TS]

00:34:29   could have been a good film and the [TS]

00:34:31   execution was far from good hostel on [TS]

00:34:34   the other hand which does show a bit [TS]

00:34:37   more of the blood and gore i think is is [TS]

00:34:39   quite a good film it is fairly gross but [TS]

00:34:43   a lot of the subtext of it is is really [TS]

00:34:46   less of a hey look at the blood and guts [TS]

00:34:48   isn't that great and more [TS]

00:34:51   this is what happens when you treat [TS]

00:34:52   people as things so what's the premise [TS]

00:34:56   of hostile the premise of hostel which i [TS]

00:35:01   hate to ruin in case there's anybody who [TS]

00:35:02   hasn't already heard the presence that [TS]

00:35:03   the time the premise of hospital but [TS]

00:35:06   there's two young Americans and i think [TS]

00:35:10   a Norwegian guy or something that are [TS]

00:35:12   traveling europe post-college and [TS]

00:35:16   kind of making the way from town to town [TS]

00:35:17   and having their way with the women and [TS]

00:35:20   basically being ugly americans and/or [TS]

00:35:23   Norwegians as the case may be and [TS]

00:35:25   somebody directs them to some some other [TS]

00:35:30   former russian state can't recall which [TS]

00:35:34   one it is at the moment to a particular [TS]

00:35:37   town in this state and into a particular [TS]

00:35:39   hostile there so they they hear that you [TS]

00:35:42   know this is basically off the hook [TS]

00:35:43   there's wild sex and drugs and so they [TS]

00:35:45   immediately get on a train and head [TS]

00:35:46   there [TS]

00:35:47   well it turns out this hospital is [TS]

00:35:49   basically a front for an organization [TS]

00:35:52   that allows rich rich perverts to [TS]

00:35:56   violently murder people of various [TS]

00:35:59   nationalities I think you pay a premium [TS]

00:36:02   for Americans so it's it's like the most [TS]

00:36:06   dangerous game comes in a way but they [TS]

00:36:08   there's nobody gets a running start [TS]

00:36:10   basically they're lured in by basically [TS]

00:36:14   loose women that are pulling in a kind [TS]

00:36:19   of a bounty for attracting the guys and [TS]

00:36:22   drugging them and then they end up you [TS]

00:36:24   know in the torture chamber where [TS]

00:36:26   whoever the highest bidder is gets to [TS]

00:36:28   come in and have their way with them you [TS]

00:36:30   know one of them's more interested in [TS]

00:36:32   unit from kind of a surgery perspective [TS]

00:36:34   so there's a guy who comes in any sort [TS]

00:36:35   of practices his surgery on this [TS]

00:36:37   unsuspecting guy and but they're there [TS]

00:36:40   are there's genuine horror in it it's [TS]

00:36:44   not i think that where it's gotten a bad [TS]

00:36:47   rap is just because it involves torture [TS]

00:36:49   but in fact it's not it's clearly not [TS]

00:36:51   glorifying torture in any way I mean [TS]

00:36:54   you're you're you're obviously watching [TS]

00:36:56   the thing you're supposed to be [TS]

00:36:57   disgusted with what's going on and you [TS]

00:36:59   are you know I'm sure there are a few [TS]

00:37:02   audience members that are sitting around [TS]

00:37:04   you know with it with a very different [TS]

00:37:06   view of things but it also has some some [TS]

00:37:10   really good direction that sort of [TS]

00:37:12   surprised me coming from eli roth has [TS]

00:37:14   only really done i think two films at [TS]

00:37:16   that point there's one in particular [TS]

00:37:19   that I think of where we discover what's [TS]

00:37:23   been going on this whole time [TS]

00:37:25   and in our sort of protagonist who [TS]

00:37:29   really is kind of a scumbag is being [TS]

00:37:31   dragged down this hallway towards his [TS]

00:37:33   chamber and as he goes down the hall he [TS]

00:37:36   gets glimpses through open doorways of [TS]

00:37:38   what's going on kind of shadow off in [TS]

00:37:40   the distance in other rooms and we see [TS]

00:37:43   there's just kind of all sorts of weird [TS]

00:37:45   twisted stuff going on you can't really [TS]

00:37:46   see what it is but it's got this kind of [TS]

00:37:48   great fun house atmosphere to it means [TS]

00:37:53   nothing fun is happening but it's just [TS]

00:37:55   it's got that it i find it hard to put [TS]

00:37:57   into words but it's it's it's it's [TS]

00:37:59   twisted and it's kind of got its classic [TS]

00:38:01   I think [TS]

00:38:02   alright so that's hostile yeah i know [TS]

00:38:04   it's it's a better film that has been [TS]

00:38:05   given credit for is what i'm trying to [TS]

00:38:06   say don't you think though that you know [TS]

00:38:10   when Ross did that mean specifically [TS]

00:38:15   what [TS]

00:38:15   well I mean when you have a shot like [TS]

00:38:18   that with you know going down a hallway [TS]

00:38:20   with the funhouse like atmosphere mean [TS]

00:38:23   don't you think that mean part of that I [TS]

00:38:26   think I mean he he gets off on that I [TS]

00:38:29   think don't you think don't you think it [TS]

00:38:31   will because you think we're given only [TS]

00:38:33   think there's there's an audience that [TS]

00:38:35   gets off on that too [TS]

00:38:36   I don't doubt that there is but i don't [TS]

00:38:39   think that's what he's shooting for me I [TS]

00:38:41   obviously I don't know what's in Eli [TS]

00:38:43   Ross head but it's it's pretty clear [TS]

00:38:46   just from the the way that the sort of [TS]

00:38:49   organization is is a is portrayed that [TS]

00:38:52   they're not they're not the heroes in [TS]

00:38:54   this piece mean there were supposed to [TS]

00:38:56   be disgusted with them and that's in [TS]

00:38:58   particular I don't think is is meant to [TS]

00:39:00   appeal to sort of your print desire to [TS]

00:39:03   see people dissected because we're [TS]

00:39:07   seeing things from a distance we are [TS]

00:39:08   seeing any blood and guts up close we're [TS]

00:39:10   just seeing stuff that again is it's [TS]

00:39:13   it's too distorted to really see what's [TS]

00:39:16   going on [TS]

00:39:17   so if you're working world in again yeah [TS]

00:39:20   exactly you'll realize that it's not [TS]

00:39:21   just the one room that this is this film [TS]

00:39:24   is actually happening ten times over [TS]

00:39:26   simultaneously exactly and that's just [TS]

00:39:28   so horrible 22 imagine right and it as [TS]

00:39:32   you see more and more of these it [TS]

00:39:33   becomes more like you realize how casual [TS]

00:39:37   this is to the the organization you [TS]

00:39:39   they've got ten torturing is going on at [TS]

00:39:41   a time and it's it's a it really builds [TS]

00:39:45   tension more than it does sort of [TS]

00:39:48   disgust you because again you're not [TS]

00:39:50   really seeing anything that's happening [TS]

00:39:51   you're sort of filling in the blanks [TS]

00:39:53   with your your brain did you see the [TS]

00:39:56   second 1i have not seen the second one I [TS]

00:39:58   understand it's a more of the same well [TS]

00:40:01   there I I've only seen three minutes of [TS]

00:40:04   the second one but the three minutes [TS]

00:40:06   that I saw are nothing like the [TS]

00:40:09   description that you would give to the [TS]

00:40:12   first really yeah i mean there was this [TS]

00:40:14   the scene that I happened to catch [TS]

00:40:16   against flipping through the channels [TS]

00:40:17   late one night involved you know I a [TS]

00:40:22   nude woman suspended over another nude [TS]

00:40:25   woman sitting in a in a tub who slashed [TS]

00:40:28   the throat of this other woman and then [TS]

00:40:30   bathed in this other women in another [TS]

00:40:32   woman's blood it was just it was [TS]

00:40:33   disgusting [TS]

00:40:36   it was it but but but it was done and I [TS]

00:40:39   mean you could it was quite clearly done [TS]

00:40:43   to appeal to somebody's prurient [TS]

00:40:46   interest mean if you saw you you know [TS]

00:40:48   what i mean so I mean that [TS]

00:40:52   so when I when I would apply you know [TS]

00:40:56   that you with the pejoratives to two [TS]

00:40:59   films like like hostel hostel two and [TS]

00:41:02   some of the others [TS]

00:41:03   that's kind of what I'm thinking right [TS]

00:41:04   well in that there is some of that in [TS]

00:41:06   hospital as well i'm in the first one [TS]

00:41:08   but it's not really the focus it [TS]

00:41:12   certainly not to the point where where [TS]

00:41:15   it should be dismissed as pure schlock [TS]

00:41:18   just because of the fact that it has [TS]

00:41:20   some of that in it [TS]

00:41:21   alright i wanna i want to shift gears a [TS]

00:41:23   little bit and talk about a a modern [TS]

00:41:25   horror classic we're really some of our [TS]

00:41:29   greatest fears and our greatest [TS]

00:41:30   mythological horror figures are [TS]

00:41:33   catapulted to the forefront and in a [TS]

00:41:36   film that really made all of America sit [TS]

00:41:38   up and take notice of the death I I [TS]

00:41:41   refer of course to jennifer aniston [TS]

00:41:44   leprechaun [TS]

00:41:47   I really have nothing to say here other [TS]

00:41:49   haven't been I you notice that they all [TS]

00:41:52   the horror movies that are that they [TS]

00:41:55   have high hopes for come out in October [TS]

00:41:56   and the ones that they don't come out in [TS]

00:41:58   january and i think it was march around [TS]

00:42:01   st. Patrick's for leprechauns that [TS]

00:42:03   everyone I'm not sure was that that late [TS]

00:42:05   i think im gonna be like january 10 [TS]

00:42:07   through something you know what I'm [TS]

00:42:08   still bitter about leprechaun I actually [TS]

00:42:10   paid to see that piece of crap [TS]

00:42:11   wow what yeah well you know what we had [TS]

00:42:14   sitting around our newspaper office in [TS]

00:42:16   college we had this this comic book that [TS]

00:42:19   was released by the production company [TS]

00:42:21   that I presumed was based on kind of the [TS]

00:42:25   detail that we would see unfolding in [TS]

00:42:27   the film and it was sort of entertaining [TS]

00:42:31   and it did had some kind of creepy stuff [TS]

00:42:33   in it and then I went to film and [TS]

00:42:36   discovered my head for a horrible [TS]

00:42:38   feeling that well that's Jennifer [TS]

00:42:40   Aniston notwithstanding it was smoking [TS]

00:42:42   hot in that movie [TS]

00:42:43   wow I think I think the implants are you [TS]

00:42:46   ready with that time so yeah a bit [TS]

00:42:48   the rapper and barely been taken off but [TS]

00:42:51   yeah I mean it's it's basically a pun [TS]

00:42:53   filled extravaganza of awful slick troll [TS]

00:42:58   to its no one's not quite on that level [TS]

00:43:01   of bad i mean there's a coherent plot [TS]

00:43:03   and make the monsters in fact the [TS]

00:43:06   leprechaun and and not a goblin which I [TS]

00:43:08   think was one of the complaints about [TS]

00:43:09   troll isn't Warwick Davis just running [TS]

00:43:12   around the whole film saying where's [TS]

00:43:13   Mego hoping that was a question that was [TS]

00:43:16   what was in the comic book and we had [TS]

00:43:18   hours of fun just walking around saying [TS]

00:43:20   we're starting a chord and then as it [TS]

00:43:23   turned out I think he'd said it maybe [TS]

00:43:25   once in the film but he does recite some [TS]

00:43:27   great irish leprechaun poetry as I think [TS]

00:43:30   he's a jumping on a guy's chest with a [TS]

00:43:33   pogo stick [TS]

00:43:36   now you see I'm very glad product [TS]

00:43:38   leprechaun and then there is a scene i [TS]

00:43:39   think where he's driving down the road [TS]

00:43:41   in this tiny go-kart and I think he's [TS]

00:43:43   going like 90 miles an hour and it's [TS]

00:43:45   it's hilarious it's got to sort of three [TS]

00:43:46   stooges vibe to it it's it's a beautiful [TS]

00:43:50   thing [TS]

00:43:50   are there Shirley's I don't recall if [TS]

00:43:54   there are any shillelaghs it seems like [TS]

00:43:56   there must be our they're armed [TS]

00:43:58   limericks [TS]

00:44:01   yeah I believe his poetry is is is in [TS]

00:44:04   the Limerick meter yes [TS]

00:44:05   ah that i think the the the best use of [TS]

00:44:08   the Leprechaun myth and i have no idea [TS]

00:44:10   whether this is actually part of the [TS]

00:44:12   Leprechaun it or not is is it turns out [TS]

00:44:15   that the Leprechaun can be thwarted by [TS]

00:44:19   distracting him with shoes if he sees [TS]

00:44:22   shoes if he if he runs across the shoe [TS]

00:44:25   he will have to stop and clean the chute [TS]

00:44:28   until it's shiny and so at one point of [TS]

00:44:31   course the heroes discovered this and [TS]

00:44:33   they basically stopped him in his tracks [TS]

00:44:35   by taking off their shoes in her little [TS]

00:44:37   bit but now that that is a fine film [TS]

00:44:41   no it's not it has its moments it is [TS]

00:44:44   their gayness gosh I don't know but that [TS]

00:44:47   was interviewed it did you drink [TS]

00:44:48   Guinness when before you went to see I [TS]

00:44:51   don't think this was the college days so [TS]

00:44:52   Guinness was sort of out of our range i [TS]

00:44:55   think it was the the white can with the [TS]

00:44:56   blue striped just said beer on it which [TS]

00:44:59   you know so it's basically to every [TS]

00:45:01   irish stereotype possible pretty much [TS]

00:45:04   nice and then I thought they actually [TS]

00:45:06   ended up doing I think three or four [TS]

00:45:08   sequels of that film of course they'd [TS]

00:45:10   including I think leprechaun in the hood [TS]

00:45:11   which is supposedly sort of good i've [TS]

00:45:15   heard what is it just like a leprechaun [TS]

00:45:17   warning everybody now I it's I don't [TS]

00:45:19   know it's kind of a hip-hop leprechaun [TS]

00:45:21   is I brutal social commentary about [TS]

00:45:24   inequality and there's on singleton [TS]

00:45:26   directive I heard that yet sitsit sort [TS]

00:45:31   of heartbreaking at the end with the [TS]

00:45:32   Leprechaun doesn't get to go to college [TS]

00:45:34   because he gets a shot to drive by he [TS]

00:45:37   had such potential [TS]

00:45:39   they're always after me playing I think [TS]

00:45:42   there's a leprechaun in space as well [TS]

00:45:44   well of course there was that's where [TS]

00:45:47   they live in in space Ireland then do [TS]

00:45:52   you have any particular favorites that [TS]

00:45:54   you'd like to recommend people put on [TS]

00:45:56   there are on their netflix queue or you [TS]

00:45:59   know see before Halloween [TS]

00:46:02   well my perennial favorite this time of [TS]

00:46:04   year is always return of the living dead [TS]

00:46:06   if for no other reason that I get to say [TS]

00:46:09   over and over and over [TS]

00:46:12   get the bone songs nice [TS]

00:46:14   you probably will have a good with [TS]

00:46:16   memories of linnea quigley as well yeah [TS]

00:46:20   why she didn't age 10 people but that is [TS]

00:46:25   a good it's it's a it's it's actually [TS]

00:46:28   even a zombie movies goes it doesn't [TS]

00:46:30   hold up but it's what I one of those [TS]

00:46:33   movies again I think I saw when I don't [TS]

00:46:35   want to come out 87 716 no I think that [TS]

00:46:37   does hold up extremely well I saw that [TS]

00:46:40   you know we did with we did this [TS]

00:46:42   halloween podcast last year and infinite [TS]

00:46:44   monkeys and we talked about it i watched [TS]

00:46:46   again almost immediately after that I [TS]

00:46:48   thought yeah I mean there's some bits [TS]

00:46:52   that are great and you know the stuff [TS]

00:46:53   stuff basically anything that doesn't [TS]

00:46:57   involve the kids is great right [TS]

00:46:59   and anything that involves zombies i [TS]

00:47:01   love all those scenes where you know you [TS]

00:47:03   know you know send more comments send [TS]

00:47:06   more paramedics and more products yeah I [TS]

00:47:08   love that there's some really really [TS]

00:47:10   funny stuff and I love you know anytime [TS]

00:47:12   you nucca Lexington Kentucky you can [TS]

00:47:13   absolutely right but it's but thing that [TS]

00:47:16   saves return of the living dead i think [TS]

00:47:18   from from falling completely out of [TS]

00:47:20   favors is it went for a light-hearted [TS]

00:47:22   tone yeah yeah I know it was it was [TS]

00:47:25   really it was clearly meant to be right [TS]

00:47:27   more of a constant you can't really I [TS]

00:47:30   don't think he can dismiss it completely [TS]

00:47:32   because it wasn't really going for [TS]

00:47:33   seriousness and and I think it works no [TS]

00:47:35   no it's not that i think i think it's [TS]

00:47:37   frankly i think that the hair [TS]

00:47:40   well it works well as a period piece [TS]

00:47:41   though yeah [TS]

00:47:43   yes it's um someday they'll tell the [TS]

00:47:45   historians will put that in a time [TS]

00:47:46   capsule to explain who the Vandals were [TS]

00:47:48   so that's that's my film 44 how arises [TS]

00:47:52   it's it's good ridiculous fun can return [TS]

00:47:57   of Living Dead return of the living dead [TS]

00:47:59   yeah get the bone song if the box so [TS]

00:48:02   Steve I can't believe you haven't seen [TS]

00:48:04   let the right one and you really should [TS]

00:48:05   see that I've seen the first 10 minutes [TS]

00:48:06   of it via netflix and then I had to do [TS]

00:48:09   something else [TS]

00:48:10   alright good because you were scared [TS]

00:48:13   yeah I was terrified by a chicken that [TS]

00:48:16   the little girl they look freakishly [TS]

00:48:17   androgynous blonde boy was the film's [TS]

00:48:20   protagonist yes and and the Swedish is [TS]

00:48:25   the digits get a dub version of the [TS]

00:48:26   subtitle person I [TS]

00:48:27   I it this would be the subtitled and [TS]

00:48:29   apparently the good subtitles [TS]

00:48:31   yeah yeah but the the androgynous boy [TS]

00:48:35   awaken some feelings in me I wasn't [TS]

00:48:36   entirely compatible with fair enough [TS]

00:48:38   fair enough [TS]

00:48:39   it's it's a good movie and I like one of [TS]

00:48:41   things i like about it is in many ways [TS]

00:48:42   it is the anti Twilight and that it [TS]

00:48:44   really does go over the that whole [TS]

00:48:47   immortality premise and what that [TS]

00:48:49   actually means for the people who are [TS]

00:48:52   passing through the lives of a vampire [TS]

00:48:54   while they just never age and stay the [TS]

00:48:56   same age and you know there's some [TS]

00:48:58   there's some really good stuff the [TS]

00:49:00   hydrogen this boy is a is a bullet as [TS]

00:49:03   you might expect and it turns out he's [TS]

00:49:05   got a friend who's a brutal killer so [TS]

00:49:08   always applied interesting things occur [TS]

00:49:11   and it's all in in the cold dark of a [TS]

00:49:15   Scandinavian winter so everybody's [TS]

00:49:17   depressed and it's cold out miserable [TS]

00:49:20   it's good while we're on the subject of [TS]

00:49:22   sort of offbeat non-traditional vampire [TS]

00:49:25   films i should probably put in a [TS]

00:49:26   recommendation for a movie called Martin [TS]

00:49:29   which was another early George Romero [TS]

00:49:32   film [TS]

00:49:33   oh yeah and less of a vampire film then [TS]

00:49:38   kind of a an examination of a very [TS]

00:49:40   troubled youth but there's it's it [TS]

00:49:42   follows a young lad named Martin in very [TS]

00:49:45   impoverished city somewhere I forget [TS]

00:49:49   whether it's probably Pittsburgh because [TS]

00:49:50   everything is Pittsburgh one is Romero [TS]

00:49:52   and it's never really entirely clear [TS]

00:49:55   whether he's actually a vampire and I'm [TS]

00:49:57   is the way he goes about attacking his [TS]

00:50:01   victims he actually uses a razor blade [TS]

00:50:02   miss Rindge and it's it's it's [TS]

00:50:05   interesting largely because you never [TS]

00:50:07   entirely sure whether this is just a [TS]

00:50:09   twisted sort of a murderous serial [TS]

00:50:12   killer type or whether he's actually a [TS]

00:50:14   vampire that sort of moved on to more [TS]

00:50:15   efficient techniques and he's he's [TS]

00:50:19   living with his grandfather who was [TS]

00:50:20   convinced that the kids vampire and he's [TS]

00:50:23   always walking around the house with a [TS]

00:50:24   across sort of following him around [TS]

00:50:27   that's an interesting film definitely [TS]

00:50:30   worth checking out a little slow by [TS]

00:50:32   today's standards i think you know your [TS]

00:50:34   average solve you or would probably not [TS]

00:50:36   have the patience for it but definitely [TS]

00:50:39   worth checking out very unconvincing [TS]

00:50:41   Nolan very I think smart did you see the [TS]

00:50:44   dissent have not seen again [TS]

00:50:47   alright on my kid thinks about that yeah [TS]

00:50:49   yeah and pans labyrinth for sort of [TS]

00:50:53   feels sort of feels like a horror movie [TS]

00:50:55   to me even though it's kind of not but [TS]

00:50:57   it kind of is [TS]

00:50:58   I well I like Pan's Labyrinth a lot even [TS]

00:51:02   though acquaintances my have problems [TS]

00:51:05   with the politics of the picture I'm [TS]

00:51:07   sure I I thought it was I thought it was [TS]

00:51:10   great [TS]

00:51:10   top to bottom even you know he [TS]

00:51:12   notwithstanding the politics even with [TS]

00:51:14   the pi thought it was I thought it was [TS]

00:51:15   terrific [TS]

00:51:16   I I I saw it in the theater and i bought [TS]

00:51:19   the DVD the first day it came out I did [TS]

00:51:21   it say it is a magnificent fairy tale is [TS]

00:51:25   what it is but it's but it's that you [TS]

00:51:27   know it's the good kind of the dark and [TS]

00:51:29   very kind which is why I met the real [TS]

00:51:31   kind of that in other words what yeah [TS]

00:51:33   that's exactly right now I'm standing [TS]

00:51:35   back on if you've not seen it Steve you [TS]

00:51:37   must must have heard good things but I [TS]

00:51:40   don't get out much [TS]

00:51:41   well they have these machines that allow [TS]

00:51:43   you to play movies in your home now [TS]

00:51:44   really yes they're called super 8 [TS]

00:51:47   projector how do those things we did you [TS]

00:51:49   turn the crank and and and moving [TS]

00:51:51   pictures appear on your wall [TS]

00:51:53   yes awesome so check it out with your [TS]

00:51:55   netflix you could do netflix too if you [TS]

00:51:58   want to go that way I this is netflix so [TS]

00:52:01   what else have anything we haven't [TS]

00:52:03   covered anything you think you should [TS]

00:52:05   get out there in a tutu the great [TS]

00:52:08   massive incomparable podcast listening [TS]

00:52:10   audience before before halloween night I [TS]

00:52:14   don't think so [TS]

00:52:15   I i think i think we've covered all the [TS]

00:52:17   good stuff you know what the hell's the [TS]

00:52:19   matter of these geeks right Tom zombies [TS]

00:52:23   potentially over overexposed kept going [TS]

00:52:28   on as much as vampires [TS]

00:52:29   not as much as vampires but but possibly [TS]

00:52:31   but we're looking forward to the walking [TS]

00:52:33   dead [TS]

00:52:34   yes and we should we should watch alien [TS]

00:52:37   again because that's a good sci-fi [TS]

00:52:39   horror kind of thing and get the bone [TS]

00:52:43   saw [TS]

00:52:43   I think that pretty much don't and and [TS]

00:52:44   steve what was the the name of that [TS]

00:52:46   werewolf movie again your snaps ginger [TS]

00:52:48   snaps it's a little hard to find because [TS]

00:52:50   it is again a canadian film and they [TS]

00:52:52   try to bury those as soon as possible [TS]

00:52:53   because I think I that it [TS]

00:52:56   Canadians I think their films are [TS]

00:52:58   subsidized by the government right [TS]

00:52:59   believe that not sure they are think so [TS]

00:53:02   i think that a good percentage that film [TS]

00:53:04   was made on the dole so and I think they [TS]

00:53:07   have to tape over the video tapes they [TS]

00:53:09   used to make them because they don't buy [TS]

00:53:11   new ones so they have to recycle them [TS]

00:53:14   they playing for a while and then they [TS]

00:53:15   take them they have their sent to [TS]

00:53:17   Toronto their demagnetized and there we [TS]

00:53:19   reused yeah that's correct that that's [TS]

00:53:22   how Canadian now filmworks that's my [TS]

00:53:24   understanding [TS]

00:53:25   I could be wrong anyway highly [TS]

00:53:26   recommended probably of the the newer [TS]

00:53:28   films that I would recommend that [TS]

00:53:30   amongst the batch of the ones that I've [TS]

00:53:32   seen lately particularly for those of [TS]

00:53:35   you who aren't you aren't big on Gor [TS]

00:53:36   babies ya punk-ass yeah alright well I [TS]

00:53:42   I'm glad that we had this conversation [TS]

00:53:45   I felt like I felt like we worked [TS]

00:53:46   through a lot of issues it is it's the [TS]

00:53:50   podcasting as therapy and I've got some [TS]

00:53:53   things to put a mind to my netflix queue [TS]

00:53:55   and now i understand more why i'm a i'm [TS]

00:53:57   a big baby who's afraid of horror movies [TS]

00:54:00   let's talk about the understanding [TS]

00:54:02   really yeah well that's how you start [TS]

00:54:04   the learning and growing is is with the [TS]

00:54:06   understanding horror is our friend [TS]

00:54:11   yes it really is really the one thing we [TS]

00:54:13   haven't talked about really is why [TS]

00:54:15   people are are too gutless to watch [TS]

00:54:18   horror movies or did we didn't really [TS]

00:54:20   cover that anymore why or why they want [TS]

00:54:22   to watch them i mean right i mean that [TS]

00:54:24   their argument if I can represent my [TS]

00:54:27   people who aren't on the podcast with us [TS]

00:54:31   is why would I want to see that stuff I [TS]

00:54:33   you know it's icky I don't want I don't [TS]

00:54:35   want to see it you can flip it around [TS]

00:54:36   and say why do you want to see it [TS]

00:54:40   well the same reason that people go to [TS]

00:54:42   see tearjerkers mean you go to see [TS]

00:54:44   movies generally to elicit some kind of [TS]

00:54:46   an emotional response right and they [TS]

00:54:51   don't all have to be uplifting or you [TS]

00:54:53   know who that guy is having trouble in [TS]

00:54:56   his job [TS]

00:54:57   it could also be the simple kind of [TS]

00:54:59   fight or flight of oh my god I almost [TS]

00:55:01   died or if somebody tried to kill me [TS]

00:55:04   I think it's a lot harder [TS]

00:55:05   for a filmmaker to successfully scare [TS]

00:55:08   you than it is for them to make you sad [TS]

00:55:10   I mean you know they throw a dead kid at [TS]

00:55:11   you and all of a sudden you're you know [TS]

00:55:13   you're weeping but to successfully scare [TS]

00:55:16   person I think takes a lot more [TS]

00:55:17   ingenuity a lot more technique right but [TS]

00:55:20   the dead kid is a zombie and he's been [TS]

00:55:21   thrown at you in a catapult then you got [TS]

00:55:23   some horror of that then you got some [TS]

00:55:25   awesome dead kids and catapults that are [TS]

00:55:27   zombies be kidding me i don't think i've [TS]

00:55:29   ever seen if that can i was a ninja [TS]

00:55:31   pirate that's like the best thing ever [TS]

00:55:34   ninja pirate dead kids ambiance a [TS]

00:55:36   catapult my catapult so yeah I mean I [TS]

00:55:40   kind of admire the technique of the [TS]

00:55:42   horror film particularly the ones that [TS]

00:55:43   are genuinely scary and the the reaction [TS]

00:55:48   I get from a horror you know I enjoy [TS]

00:55:50   good to keep tearjerker to but you know [TS]

00:55:53   I get a little more of a charge out of a [TS]

00:55:55   good scare [TS]

00:55:56   I think it it reaffirms why we're alive [TS]

00:56:01   I and another way but better them than [TS]

00:56:04   us exactly i mean it's good to be in in [TS]

00:56:07   mortal fear every once in awhile and a [TS]

00:56:09   good horror film will do that it will [TS]

00:56:11   put you in the shoes of the protagonist [TS]

00:56:13   so that you know you you're you're [TS]

00:56:15   feeling as though you're in in mortal [TS]

00:56:18   terror right everybody in the movie [TS]

00:56:20   theater gets out alive in an hour and a [TS]

00:56:22   half later you you feel pretty damn good [TS]

00:56:24   because you survived [TS]

00:56:25   it's a rush yeah it's an escape that [TS]

00:56:28   makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:56:29   alright you explain yourself I don't [TS]

00:56:30   know if I've explained explain the other [TS]

00:56:33   people [TS]

00:56:33   Davis sticky they don't like it I don't [TS]

00:56:36   know what the key part i get that the [TS]

00:56:38   people that just they don't have a [TS]

00:56:39   stomach for blood and gore I i get that [TS]

00:56:41   completely I mean you know some people [TS]

00:56:43   just can't take the side of that that I [TS]

00:56:45   understand the ones who just shy away [TS]

00:56:47   from even the films that are relatively [TS]

00:56:50   bloodless but it just scary that scary [TS]

00:56:53   juniors here [TS]

00:56:54   yeah scary is good i think yeah i mean i [TS]

00:56:57   i'm not a big fan and as I am older and [TS]

00:57:00   have kids you know the the the blood and [TS]

00:57:03   gore level that i can take is gone and [TS]

00:57:06   now that you had kids you seen a lot [TS]

00:57:07   worse things [TS]

00:57:08   yeah that's true i've seen Horrors her i [TS]

00:57:12   believe her has a face or immoral [TS]

00:57:15   terrible terror we could probably do a [TS]

00:57:17   whole podcast on [TS]

00:57:18   just the the variance in child's diaper [TS]

00:57:20   output over the course of the first year [TS]

00:57:22   you know it's horrible [TS]

00:57:24   you don't need to leave you know horror [TS]

00:57:26   that's just horrible [TS]

00:57:27   yeah that's right that's right [TS]

00:57:29   children's diapers and and honestly the [TS]

00:57:32   miracle birth itself [TS]

00:57:33   yeah now we got some horror wow I should [TS]

00:57:37   involves a lot more of the diaper [TS]

00:57:39   material than I was led to understand [TS]

00:57:40   yes any has the PS the I know what [TS]

00:57:45   you're talking about there for her [TS]

00:57:47   I'm not gonna sleep tonight [TS]

00:57:50   this got really wrong really fast haha [TS]

00:57:55   and on that note I want to thank [TS]

00:57:57   everybody who's still listening to this [TS]

00:57:59   podcast but it's over now I'd like to [TS]

00:58:01   thank Steve let's thank you [TS]

00:58:03   you got a man and ben boychuk from his [TS]

00:58:07   lair [TS]

00:58:08   yeah i'm going to hide under the bed now [TS]

00:58:11   alright wise decision as always i'm [TS]

00:58:14   jason l for the uncomfortable podcasts [TS]

00:58:17   we'll see you next time up I this has [TS]

00:58:22   been the incomparable podcast is it is [TS]

00:58:25   sadly incomparable dot-com [TS]

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