The Incomparable

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  that is Jango Fett minus boba fett but [TS]

  that's adding reasonable people can [TS]

  reasonably disagree on that there's a [TS]

  generational thing that right here's [TS]

  angle that is like what if we took Boba [TS]

  Fett and made him just even more awesome [TS]

  by expanding his character and of course [TS]

  it's my son with Jango Fett for [TS]

  Halloween last year his argument is vice [TS]

  city has two pounds and are coming out [TS]

  that really would you rather have two [TS]

  guns but I think they're kind of not [TS]

  looking at guns or one really [TS]

  cool-looking i'm more of a one cool [TS]

  looking down the type guy like you know [TS]

  just wait [TS]

  the incomparable Todd test at this [TS]

  little date October 2010 with Jason's [TS]

  now and marlin and special guest john [TS]

  you know the funny thing is I i asked [TS]

  you guys here today to talk about [TS]

  raiders of the lost ark and while we [TS]

  were waiting to start recording [TS]

  John was pointing out that his son is [TS]

  watching The Last Crusade downstairs as [TS]

  we speak which i would put second and [TS]

  then the list perhaps but really ok [TS]

  that's me [TS]

  I know you love that one I actually [TS]

  thought you might have put it first but [TS]

  you put at second base it's a close one [TS]

  but i think you know the Raiders is [TS]

  probably the superior technically [TS]

  superior of the film's I i love Raiders [TS]

  I was really sad when it came out on DVD [TS]

  and they wanted you to force you to buy [TS]

  all three movies together because to me [TS]

  raiders is just so much better than the [TS]

  other two and I like I think the third [TS]

  1i think i think last crusade is is good [TS]

  but Raiders there's something maybe [TS]

  there's something about it I don't know [TS]

  every time I go back and try to look at [TS]

  them though I still think that that the [TS]

  first one is the best one [TS]

  my son is six and he he got on a big [TS]

  Indiana Jones kick [TS]

  I don't know about two years ago years [TS]

  ago whenever we first started watching a [TS]

  man and bring up probably honestly you [TS]

  know that the book of good parenting [TS]

  probably too young to be watching them [TS]

  but and I watch them a lot when I was [TS]

  younger too but having watched them [TS]

  again and many many times and just even [TS]

  just stop thru as mosis by having a kid [TS]

  on Saturday afternoon watching it again [TS]

  and again and again just in you know i'm [TS]

  not even watching it with them every [TS]

  time but I've seen them a lot recently [TS]

  all of them and it just it it's just one [TS]

  of those things were my mile long time [TS]

  feeling it just has reiterated every [TS]

  time the Raiders to me it stands apart [TS]

  it's not even it's not that did the [TS]

  other ones aren't good but they're not [TS]

  even the same type of movie because I [TS]

  think all the ones after i think the [TS]

  other three temple of doom and [TS]

  definitely Last Crusade and and that the [TS]

  goofy one the Crystal Skull they are [TS]

  Indiana Jones movies you know there's [TS]

  like a formula and he's indiana jones [TS]

  and it's like making a James Bond movie [TS]

  whereas Raiders it wasn't it was like [TS]

  they didn't even know what Indiana Jones [TS]

  movie is which is interesting too [TS]

  because when they did we release them on [TS]

  DVD they change the title because it [TS]

  used to be when it came out it was just [TS]

  raiders of the lost ark and then it's [TS]

  now if you look [TS]

  I think it's officially indiana jones [TS]

  and the raiders of the lost ark to like [TS]

  on the labeling yeah to fit on the label [TS]

  yeah but i just want just go look at [TS]

  netflix because i just did a minute ago [TS]

  and it will not come up if you just [TS]

  search for i typed in Raiders and I [TS]

  couldn't find it and I want huh i typed [TS]

  in Raiders of the Lost Ark and the [TS]

  autocomplete was indiana jones and the [TS]

  raiders of the lost ark at least they [TS]

  didn't retouch the credits they had the [TS]

  credit still are that old you know kind [TS]

  of like real old republic cereal credits [TS]

  that just a raiders in big letters of [TS]

  the Lost Ark they didn't sort of redcon [TS]

  the the title in the film itself but all [TS]

  the packaging they did and you know I [TS]

  don't know there's like a i [TS]

  don't--there's like a certain visceral [TS]

  miss to it that it isn't in the other [TS]

  ones because the other ones are Indiana [TS]

  Jones movie i'm gonna steal this from [TS]

  from our friend John siracusa who I [TS]

  think mentioned this but some point when [TS]

  I was tweeting or something about [TS]

  Raiders before that one of the [TS]

  differences and am definitely feeling [TS]

  this from him is that because the other [TS]

  ones are Indiana Jones movies you know [TS]

  that Indiana Jones isn't gonna die [TS]

  whereas the Raiders that's it's not even [TS]

  clear like you know what if you've you [TS]

  know watch them all 20 times you know [TS]

  that but like the first time you saw it [TS]

  there wasn't even a certainty that he [TS]

  was going to make it out of it you know [TS]

  that it was the beginning of a franchise [TS]

  you know it didn't feel like it was just [TS]

  a movie about this guy on a crazy [TS]

  adventure on the way it starts you know [TS]

  he's he's a mystery at the beginning [TS]

  right i mean for the first five minutes [TS]

  three minutes of the movie you just see [TS]

  him in shadow and or just his back or [TS]

  just the back of his head or just his [TS]

  hand with the whip and it's it's only [TS]

  three or four minutes in when he steps [TS]

  out of the shadows and into the light [TS]

  you're like a high terrorism forward and [TS]

  you know it's not one of those [TS]

  portrayals of like here's our hero you [TS]

  know him you love him [TS]

  it's this who's this guy you know Izzy [TS]

  Izzy bad but he's kind of he's kind of [TS]

  menacing and quiet and then you meet him [TS]

  as opposed to any other movies I think [TS]

  it's just like hey there is it's our [TS]

  buddy [TS]

  well I me and then the sense you know [TS]

  the other two movies and three if you [TS]

  will are all four still live up to that [TS]

  first one to write I mean like John says [TS]

  it you know became sort of a formula at [TS]

  that point well how do we emulate this [TS]

  movie that was so great [TS]

  and it's well you know let's try to [TS]

  follow some of the things that we did in [TS]

  the first one but they're never quite [TS]

  going to live up to to the original [TS]

  source material as it were [TS]

  well the last crusade is the most [TS]

  obvious attempt to replay Raiders right [TS]

  i mean the second one is to be credited [TS]

  for trying to be different the third one [TS]

  it's like well okay we're going to go [TS]

  back to the Nazis and we're gonna have a [TS]

  religious artifact right and i think [TS]

  it's salvaged mainly by the fact that [TS]

  the the sean connery Harrison Ford [TS]

  relationship is just fantastic but yes [TS]

  it does go back to the same well if you [TS]

  will then full snakes that well there's [TS]

  a bunch of things though about Raiders [TS]

  that ma'am and I'll even go this far and [TS]

  I've said this NP i say this to people [TS]

  and I'm a fan of all sorts of movies i [TS]

  moved you know love serious series [TS]

  movies in addition to you know sigh fine [TS]

  adventure type stuff [TS]

  honestly I mean this is totally [TS]

  straightforward that I think Raiders is [TS]

  the best movie steven spielberg's ever [TS]

  made I think it's one of the it's one of [TS]

  the greatest movies ever made not just [TS]

  in the in terms of action and stuff i [TS]

  would hold it up there as one of the [TS]

  easy top 10 movies ever made [TS]

  maybe top 5i really i ate technically [TS]

  it's just so well done it so well paced [TS]

  it's it is original in ways that I [TS]

  everything I mean you know the opening [TS]

  that just I can't say enough good things [TS]

  about it i was watching it this weekend [TS]

  and in preparation semi preparation for [TS]

  this and I was reminded actually couple [TS]

  of things i was reminded roger ebert [TS]

  writes about how before he lost his [TS]

  voice he would he would do these [TS]

  sessions with citizen came in front of a [TS]

  group where he would they would posit [TS]

  anybody could just shout pause at any [TS]

  time and they would look at the frame [TS]

  and talk about it and I thought I [TS]

  actually think Raiders could withstand [TS]

  that level of scrutiny [TS]

  yeah as I was watching and I was [TS]

  thinking you know even every the economy [TS]

  of it every shot every line of dialogue [TS]

  has a reason for being there some of it [TS]

  really not obvious at the time and and [TS]

  and doesn't feel obvious but at [TS]

  everything you see the reason the monkey [TS]

  is there the conversations that Marion [TS]

  has when she's closing up the bar the [TS]

  drinking the drinking scene which seems [TS]

  to just be about her character until you [TS]

  see her do it again in the desert with [TS]

  Belloc there's so much there that is [TS]

  perfectly every shot is there for a [TS]

  reason and you could really take it [TS]

  apart and the other the other thought I [TS]

  had when I was watching it is it's old [TS]

  enough now because it was made in what [TS]

  1981 yeah sometimes 1988 it's old enough [TS]

  now that it feels like a classic movie [TS]

  and instead of being of its time I look [TS]

  at it now and I think I feel about this [TS]

  movie like I feel about Lawrence of [TS]

  Arabia except actually liked this movie [TS]

  more than Lawrence of Arabia so I I [TS]

  think you're right I i would say it is [TS]

  one of the best movies and and it might [TS]

  be Spielberg's best it doesn't have a [TS]

  lot of Spielberg he's got a lot of [TS]

  things that he does that are kind of [TS]

  kind of sappy I'm kind of over played [TS]

  there are a few of those things in here [TS]

  i think at one point in the monkey [TS]

  actually goes 0 which is just like come [TS]

  on [TS]

  but generally I think you're right yeah [TS]

  and then that whole class of filmmakers [TS]

  those you know the Lucas Spielberg [TS]

  Coppola you know that whole seventies [TS]

  generation went through this whole thing [TS]

  and it was fantastic what they did I [TS]

  think I mean it's you know everybody [TS]

  realizes the seventies were a fantastic [TS]

  decade for movies and I think we're [TS]

  traitors is a little bit more like one [TS]

  of those seventies movies then the [TS]

  eighties you know I think it feels a [TS]

  little bit more like something from the [TS]

  end of the came out a couple years after [TS]

  but it was like of that you know whose [TS]

  it was to this genre what star wars was [TS]

  to science fiction you know well I think [TS]

  about the Godfather the right is what [TS]

  the Godfather he's a mobster movie right [TS]

  and yet it's got all this praise right [TS]

  was so what those guys did is they took [TS]

  the genres that were typically schlocky [TS]

  but they loved them and had good things [TS]

  about them and so what if we did them [TS]

  straight guy what if we did what if we [TS]

  with good production values and we cast [TS]

  you know the best actors in the world [TS]

  you know Marlon Brando in a gangster [TS]

  movie alec guinness as as the the you [TS]

  know the wizard in Star Wars and play it [TS]

  straight do all these things and do [TS]

  these you know these things that [TS]

  typically would look terrible real goofy [TS]

  action you know bad bad special effects [TS]

  on a soundstage let's do it straight and [TS]

  I it really stands out whereas all the [TS]

  other ones i think you know they come [TS]

  across is doing an Indiana Jones movie [TS]

  well I mean there's a certain also [TS]

  certain i mean i guess for lack of a [TS]

  better term total consistency to raiders [TS]

  that I think is lacking for the other [TS]

  ones and I think chasing your point [TS]

  about like the monkey like theirs [TS]

  there's a lot less you know I think a [TS]

  lot of people who drive last crusade [TS]

  especially focus on a couple specific [TS]

  things such as making some of the [TS]

  characters into caricatures specifically [TS]

  saleh and Marcus who both are in the [TS]

  first and raiders you know are both very [TS]

  you know serious presences yeah right [TS]

  and great characters and then it in in [TS]

  Last Crusade they become the comic [TS]

  relief especially Marcus yeah especially [TS]

  Marcus it's the terrible what they did [TS]

  to that character but I mean and I and I [TS]

  can definitely see that in some way that [TS]

  the Raiders you know can get Raiders has [TS]

  genuinely funny moments without relax [TS]

  relying on things that are you know [TS]

  bumbling comedy you know for example I [TS]

  mean one of the best games of all time [TS]

  in that movie and of course in a movie [TS]

  full of great scenes is the scene where [TS]

  you know Andy's chasing Marion through [TS]

  the marketplace when she's in the basket [TS]

  and the care of the crowds part and the [TS]

  guy comes out with a sword and you know [TS]

  does this cool like flipping his sword [TS]

  around whatever and and and he looks in [TS]

  for a minute and pulls out his gun [TS]

  shoots it and it's just such a it's a [TS]

  great moment of of sort of you know kind [TS]

  of darkish comedy but it's not it [TS]

  doesn't sort of fall back on cheap [TS]

  tropes it's unexpected which is what [TS]

  makes it so funny right [TS]

  doesn't seem implausible seems like [TS]

  actually why not it's actually I'd like [TS]

  why do you ask the question why wouldn't [TS]

  you just shoot right right exactly [TS]

  you know the backstory behind that right [TS]

  yeah that's he got sick right nuclei in [TS]

  terrible diarrhea [TS]

  yeah and so then they did it there's a [TS]

  reference to it in Temple of Doom they [TS]

  sort of do a call back to that because [TS]

  there's a minute where he goes for his [TS]

  gun to shoot a guy and he doesn't have [TS]

  it so he does he whips the sword out of [TS]

  his hand or whatever [TS]

  yeah there's the the only the only [TS]

  moment in the whole Raiders that I think [TS]

  is often wanted the the monkey stuff [TS]

  like I think maybe stretches it but [TS]

  doesn't go over the only thing that I [TS]

  think is off is the scene on the boat [TS]

  where Marion flips the mirror around and [TS]

  hits him on the chin and it cuts to [TS]

  outside it isn't even cut well it like [TS]

  cuts to outside the boat and Indiana [TS]

  Jones screams in pain and she just goes [TS]

  what like she doesn't know what happened [TS]

  like if you it doesn't make any sense [TS]

  like if you swing a mirror like that and [TS]

  hit somebody you know you hit them you'd [TS]

  feel it you know on the mirror is the [TS]

  only moment in the whole thing that [TS]

  that feels off to me would you say it's [TS]

  like they needed a a a comic relief beat [TS]

  because they were really smack between [TS]

  two sections of the movie and that [TS]

  supposed to be a romantic moment with [TS]

  Marion and indie before that the final [TS]

  act kicks in but the mirror hitting him [TS]

  in the chin isn't this is slapstick and [TS]

  it is a little slap see i love it though [TS]

  I there's something about that scene [TS]

  that that I think is I mean yes the sort [TS]

  of reaction never quite made sense but [TS]

  at the same time I love that right the [TS]

  scene is good i love that bit yeah [TS]

  there's a scene early on that I really [TS]

  appreciated and watching this movie [TS]

  again you talk about taking this movie [TS]

  and playing it straight these genres [TS]

  pictures like The Godfather and star [TS]

  wars and and raiders and I love a scene [TS]

  actually if you have a broad comedy the [TS]

  scene where where we cut from the jungle [TS]

  to the college and India is giving his [TS]

  lecture and there's the girl and this is [TS]

  supposed to be the thirties and there's [TS]

  the girl with i love you written on her [TS]

  eyelids which I thought I'm know that [TS]

  that seems kind of wacky for the [TS]

  thirties but anyway the scene where he [TS]

  gets called by marcus into the library [TS]

  basically because the FBI men are there [TS]

  asking about this naughty telegram that [TS]

  mentions a bit rate Ravenwood and as [TS]

  they're discussing Tanis did you keep [TS]

  dropping all these bombs that that we [TS]

  don't understand what they mean and it's [TS]

  tennis and Ravenwood and the Lost Ark if [TS]

  you watch that scene you look at just [TS]

  look at harrison ford and denim Elliot [TS]

  looking at each other as these guys are [TS]

  reading this dialogue it's amazing [TS]

  because they are they are basically [TS]

  underlining all the things that are [TS]

  important in that scene with just their [TS]

  eyes glancing at each other because you [TS]

  know that these two guys and you get the [TS]

  sense immediately these guys really know [TS]

  what they're doing [TS]

  Tanis development preceding choir [TS]

  headpiece staff of raw Abner Ravenwood [TS]

  us Nazis of discovered tunis just what [TS]

  does that mean to you panic [TS]

  well city of tennis is one of the [TS]

  possible resting places of the Lost Ark [TS]

  the Lost Ark of the Covenant the chest [TS]

  the Hebrews used to carry around the 10 [TS]

  commandments anybody making managed to [TS]

  let the Ten Commandments is the actual [TS]

  Ten Commandments the original stone [TS]

  tablets that Moses brought down out of [TS]

  Monterra and smashed if you believe in [TS]

  that sort of thing you guys ever going [TS]

  to send a spoon [TS]

  however an Egyptian pharaoh mission yes [TS]

  invaded the city of Jerusalem run about [TS]

  980 BC may have taken the artifact the [TS]

  city of tennis and hidden in a secret [TS]

  chamber Holy Well of Souls secret [TS]

  chamber however about a year after the [TS]

  affair would return to Egypt the city of [TS]

  tennis was consumed by the desert in a [TS]

  sandstorm which lasted a whole year like [TS]

  clean by the rules of obviously we've [TS]

  come to the right man I i would argue [TS]

  that might be the best plot explication [TS]

  scene ever I know they're unaware [TS]

  they're rolling out that entire plot [TS]

  with all that backstory and it's [TS]

  gripping and one of the reasons i think [TS]

  it is just because Harrison Ford and [TS]

  denim Elliot are looking at each other [TS]

  and you you realize you're not just [TS]

  watching a download here you're watching [TS]

  really smart people understand what's [TS]

  important in the download right and the [TS]

  whole thing and it play it also yeah [TS]

  it's a great acting you know it's a [TS]

  great cast great great scene it's even [TS]

  in a beautiful room just that big big [TS]

  huge wake up on a stage [TS]

  yeah it's like a giant lecture hall or [TS]

  something they really make any sense [TS]

  that they have the meeting there but [TS]

  it's great and then there's that there's [TS]

  a blackboard though and you can use it [TS]

  to diagram and you kind of it also gives [TS]

  you a better feeling for Indiana Jones [TS]

  as a professor because instead of being [TS]

  in the middle of some boring lecture is [TS]

  not really even into all of a sudden [TS]

  this is when he's really into it you [TS]

  know and this is his research right like [TS]

  and we're his class we the audience get [TS]

  to be his class and he's telling us [TS]

  exactly what we need to know it is it's [TS]

  it's a great explanation and it's sort [TS]

  of like that the old a [TS]

  adage about how to give a presentation [TS]

  tell people what you're going to tell [TS]

  them tell them and then tell them what [TS]

  you told them [TS]

  indian Marcus they interrupt each other [TS]

  down and and talk over each other and [TS]

  finish each others sentences and it's [TS]

  done in a way that brilliantly by I i [TS]

  guess i should say by Lawrence Kasdan I [TS]

  wrote the screenplay and then and by the [TS]

  actors in performing the scene you're [TS]

  informed about their entire relationship [TS]

  really in that scene based on what they [TS]

  do that you know Marcus knows as much as [TS]

  indie does and he's very enthusiastic [TS]

  Marcus is happy to let him because he's [TS]

  back at the college now india's roaming [TS]

  around he's happy to let him finish and [TS]

  tell the story because he's so [TS]

  enthusiastic about it it says so much [TS]

  about those characters just in the way [TS]

  they interact and something else i [TS]

  noticed about it is it sets up Indy as [TS]

  as a non-believer because this is a [TS]

  movie about a religious artifact and at [TS]

  several points the the government men [TS]

  talked about it and talked about the ten [TS]

  commandments and andy says if you [TS]

  believe that sort of thing and it's very [TS]

  clear from the stuff that he says her [TS]

  throughout throughout the movie even [TS]

  leading up to the to the end where the [TS]

  breath of God is made manifest is that [TS]

  he doesn't really believe in that stuff [TS]

  he sort of in it because the stuff is [TS]

  old and valuable and cool and not [TS]

  because of the religious significance it [TS]

  sort of doesn't mean anything to him [TS]

  which is interesting given what ends up [TS]

  happening and it is also good it's you [TS]

  know if part part screenplay part acting [TS]

  part direction it's all of it all the [TS]

  way that movies are all those things [TS]

  combined is the way that their [TS]

  conversation between each other with the [TS]

  interrupting is clearly that they are [TS]

  both experts and they respect each other [TS]

  right and when they're talking to each [TS]

  other they're not really there they know [TS]

  that they're talking over the other two [TS]

  guys heads and when they talk to the [TS]

  government guys there they're talking [TS]

  down to them not necessarily [TS]

  dismissively but we know you guys are [TS]

  idiots but that's helpful to us the [TS]

  audience because we're that we don't [TS]

  know this stuff either [TS]

  the other thing too about that scene is [TS]

  I've always thought that it it just the [TS]

  whole thing seems totally credible like [TS]

  like duh [TS]

  didn't you ever learn this in in bible [TS]

  school but you know the headpiece to the [TS]

  staff of raw and and all this stuff it [TS]

  all seemed you know you know the Ark of [TS]

  the Covenant is an actual [TS]

  biblical artifact but then all the other [TS]

  stuff to me and all all seems totally [TS]

  real like it gets to buy into the entire [TS]

  premise right that somebody ought to be [TS]

  able to actually do this somebody if if [TS]

  somebody actually discovered Tanis they [TS]

  should they should be able to find the [TS]

  map room and if they had the headpiece [TS]

  to the staff of raw they could they [TS]

  could find the Ark of the Covenant and [TS]

  and you know the elements that are there [TS]

  of the supernatural I think are so well [TS]

  played in terms of being at least up [TS]

  until the very last scene they're very [TS]

  subtle and I think that's yeah I prior [TS]

  to the very last scene i think the only [TS]

  indication you get is that one scene of [TS]

  the arc on the interest in the hold of [TS]

  the boat where it with the rat where [TS]

  it's like robbing or whatever and you [TS]

  see the rap like getting pushed away and [TS]

  then they see the Nazi symbol like [TS]

  burned off of it later but although [TS]

  thatthat's just these little touches [TS]

  that like it's still not mean that's the [TS]

  part where you start thinking okay this [TS]

  is you know a little bit more out there [TS]

  but up until that point everything does [TS]

  seem very well we like India are very oh [TS]

  this is just you know in a valuable and [TS]

  artifact that we'd like to have that's [TS]

  written that I agree and it's part of [TS]

  the story it's part of what makes it [TS]

  great and and there's yeah it gives it a [TS]

  sort of why are they even why they've [TS]

  been going through all this before you [TS]

  know it is quit is a cool artifact is it [TS]

  worth it to go through all this there is [TS]

  another scene where I'm the lock is I [TS]

  guess romancing romancing Marion in the [TS]

  tent where he talks about the ark as an [TS]

  artifact and i was i was tuned into it [TS]

  because then all of a sudden he sort of [TS]

  like shift gears and starts to say oh [TS]

  and no army can be defeated if it's got [TS]

  the arc in front of it because it's got [TS]

  the power of God which always seemed [TS]

  very strange to me because I other than [TS]

  that seen Belloc seems to be completely [TS]

  mercenary although you know I guess at [TS]

  the end when it's revealed that he too [TS]

  has this hope that it's religiously [TS]

  powerful but only because he can use it [TS]

  for his own purposes so he sort of more [TS]

  of a believer than indy but much more [TS]

  cynical about it than India's well he's [TS]

  very advantageous to and we see that in [TS]

  the very first scene with him to write [TS]

  where he gets the idol and he takes it [TS]

  and use it to basically tell all the [TS]

  name is it you have to go after it [TS]

  go after indie and so I think there's [TS]

  clearly an idea that like in these kind [TS]

  of in this for you know knowledge for [TS]

  for his own sort of curiosity where as [TS]

  bella is really interested in in getting [TS]

  power and I think that I mean it's again [TS]

  it's kind of summer but it sets up [TS]

  blocks character perfectly like when we [TS]

  see him in that last scene why is he [TS]

  doing this well we can kind of [TS]

  understand that like this you know we've [TS]

  sort of seen his behavior in this in [TS]

  this example before there's a great [TS]

  scene between Bella candy that when they [TS]

  really are there in the cafe in cairo [TS]

  yeah and right and Andy thanks Marion is [TS]

  dead and he's been drinking and he's [TS]

  basically gonna it ended [TS]

  he's like willing to go out in a hail of [TS]

  gunfire and what is what struck me about [TS]

  it and watching it again is that it [TS]

  could have been written so badly and it [TS]

  isn't unlocked is your typical sort of [TS]

  villain speech of we are so alike you [TS]

  and I ND and you would take very little [TS]

  to make you like me and the the wrong [TS]

  way to write that scene is to have it [TS]

  mean I'll never be like you and you [TS]

  don't understand and you and I have very [TS]

  much alike ecology is our invention that [TS]

  we have both fallen from the pure faith [TS]

  methods are not different as much as you [TS]

  pretend I'm a shadowy reflection of you [TS]

  don't take on a nudge to make you like [TS]

  me to push you out of the life now you [TS]

  get nest you know it's a nice look at [TS]

  this it's worthless [TS]

  ten dollars from a vendor in the street [TS]

  but i think it and buried in the sand [TS]

  for a thousand years it becomes [TS]

  priceless black the armed men will [TS]

  comfort you and me I think though I [TS]

  think that part of it too and i agree [TS]

  that you know and and that happened [TS]

  hundreds of movies before and hundreds [TS]

  after the the you know we're not that [TS]

  you know there are two sides of the same [TS]

  coin speech from the bad guy to the UK i [TS]

  think it's cool in that 10 because it [TS]

  act i think it actually is sort of true [TS]

  well there's that too right that he [TS]

  doesn't he doesn't respond and he [TS]

  doesn't deny it right it actually is [TS]

  true because and that's one of the [TS]

  things in a lot of these movies of of [TS]

  that John you know Star Wars is one of [TS]

  them to what yeah but where there's [TS]

  multiple bad guys it's not just one dr. [TS]

  evil guy at the head and a bunch of [TS]

  no-name of Stormtroopers underneath [TS]

  there's a couple of bad guys so you've [TS]

  got taught you know the Nazi with the [TS]

  burned hand who's sort of the boogeyman [TS]

  bad guy like there's really just [TS]

  irredeemable I mean he's just sort of [TS]

  like an evil evil guy who's you know [TS]

  willing to burn people's faces and and [TS]

  stuff right don't wanna buy you some [TS]

  wine and truly are pretty travel and [TS]

  he's lazy he's yeah he's not well he's [TS]

  are scrupulous but he's not evil right [TS]

  and these obsessed most with getting [TS]

  these artifacts and that's sort of [TS]

  indiana jones' thing too is it's just in [TS]

  it to get the artifacts you know and [TS]

  like you said he's not really a believer [TS]

  he doesn't really care it doesn't even [TS]

  really it never really seems to even [TS]

  cross his mind about what if the are [TS]

  really is what legend says that it is he [TS]

  just wants it in fact they ask you know [TS]

  you're going to give it to Hitler and [TS]

  he's like well eventually but like he's [TS]

  going to take it for himself and i'm [TS]

  hitler you know I'll deal with it later [TS]

  what about your boss their fear I [TS]

  thought he was waiting to take position [TS]

  all in good time when I'm finished and i [TS]

  love that India's willing I mean like [TS]

  not only he not only are they not that [TS]

  different in some ways but you know in [TS]

  these response in that in that scene in [TS]

  the cafe is basically like i am going to [TS]

  kill you and and you know they're gonna [TS]

  kill me so let's just do this right like [TS]

  that's not exactly what you expect your [TS]

  good guy to do right left [TS]

  I mean and i love that line that that [TS]

  line about you know he says Jones do you [TS]

  realize what the art is it's time to me [TS]

  that it's a radio for speaking to God [TS]

  and it's within my reach you want to [TS]

  talk to God [TS]

  let's go see them together I've got [TS]

  nothing it's just I just love the way he [TS]

  drives at home like you know what I got [TS]

  I have nothing left you know you [TS]

  basically taken away everything so I [TS]

  don't have it handy I should have [TS]

  probably but somebody could probably [TS]

  google it I don't remember who wrote it [TS]

  but somebody wrote a blog post i think [TS]

  it was in the last two years might have [TS]

  been too much which who writes at a good [TS]

  filmmaking weblog just analyzing that [TS]

  scene and the editing the camera angles [TS]

  and and when they cut and what you see [TS]

  of that cafe where you know Andy thanks [TS]

  Mary instead and he meets Belloc and [TS]

  he's rescued by solace kids and it is [TS]

  it's you know and he just goes through [TS]

  shot by you know like like sort of like [TS]

  Woody versus going you can just go [TS]

  through shot-by-shot and it's just one [TS]

  set up after another and it's just [TS]

  perfect the next the next scene after [TS]

  there are no throwaway that's one of the [TS]

  things about writers there's no [TS]

  throwaway scenes every scene has [TS]

  something that you can talk about yes [TS]

  sure I actually noticed something when I [TS]

  was watching it i watch some of it on [TS]

  the bus coming into work this morning [TS]

  that I'm there are these scenes that [TS]

  scene is set up by the scenes of the the [TS]

  guys that sort of Nazis in their suits [TS]

  blocking some alleyways that leads to [TS]

  the whole basket chase and all of that [TS]

  right and you know there aren't very [TS]

  many of them and it's sort of unclear [TS]

  there's not a lot of detail about who [TS]

  they are it doesn't really matter you [TS]

  know that there's a guy with the eye [TS]

  patch and their the Nazis in the suits [TS]

  and then they were there they're walking [TS]

  down the corridor and you know that [TS]

  essentially it's going to corner Indian [TS]

  marion and lead into this entire section [TS]

  of the movie and it's it's so economical [TS]

  and it's all it's all necessary stuff to [TS]

  drive it along and and the scene where [TS]

  the where we're solid sort of cheering [TS]

  indie up and it and explain about the [TS]

  the headpiece where the monkey is is [TS]

  eating the poison dates and dying that [TS]

  scene is has a lot of amazing shots [TS]

  including that last scene which is [TS]

  almost like the requiem for the monkey [TS]

  which is shot from above the ceiling [TS]

  looking through the fan down to the dead [TS]

  monkey with its hand open and the date [TS]

  on the floor it's like you know that [TS]

  scene isn't so vital that it needs [TS]

  did and an amazing piece of of setup and [TS]

  yet it's amazing anyway it didn't need [TS]

  to be amazing but it is just a monkey [TS]

  right every scene stands is like a [TS]

  little short film great i wanted to [TS]

  bring up Karen Allen allowed because one [TS]

  of the things that's really interesting [TS]

  about the next two movies and and of [TS]

  course they ended up bringing your path [TS]

  for but for the Crystal Skull is the [TS]

  next two movies i feel like and i think [TS]

  there was I think there was a falling [TS]

  out or something where they where she [TS]

  wanted more money or they have this [TS]

  famous lesions fieldwork I think didn't [TS]

  get along or something yeah because boy [TS]

  those next to movies seem desperate to [TS]

  try and find a way to replace her and I [TS]

  don't think they do I think they fail [TS]

  and I think that they're weaker in some [TS]

  ways specifically because Marion isn't [TS]

  in I think you're right she's so great [TS]

  but at the same time yet they can't find [TS]

  a worthy file right so in in Temple of [TS]

  Doom we have cake tap shah which who is [TS]

  probably stands alone is one of the [TS]

  worst just I that she is just terrible [TS]

  in that movie which is which is [TS]

  unfortunate but i always thought last [TS]

  crusade did a fascinating twists on that [TS]

  which is in that you have the the [TS]

  character of Ilsa [TS]

  whoo-hoo turns out of course to be evil [TS]

  and in fact dies at the end of the film [TS]

  which is kind of just this fascinating [TS]

  like you know it's like you know I John [TS]

  reference the bond movies earlier and [TS]

  bond movies kind of usually have this [TS]

  formula of there is usually the bad [TS]

  woman a good woman and then good woman [TS]

  that's really kind of insignificant and [TS]

  I thought it was just it was such a [TS]

  fascinating set up to have this woman [TS]

  who you can think of [TS]

  she'll get redeemed right because she [TS]

  she gives indie up to the Nazis as well [TS]

  as dad and in the end she really doesn't [TS]

  and kind of only serves as like a [TS]

  character lesson for indy in terms of [TS]

  you know not not getting obsessed but [TS]

  you're right that Karen Allen I think as [TS]

  Sir Marion is the de facto you know [TS]

  she's I know if you want a soul mate but [TS]

  like I think that's the idea of bringing [TS]

  her back in the fourth one was that they [TS]

  had a report in a chemistry that that [TS]

  was totally unmatched by anything that [TS]

  we saw and it was a really original [TS]

  thinking and casting I mean I think it's [TS]

  half half Princess Leia and then [TS]

  half making it even better so with with [TS]

  Princess Leia you've got this character [TS]

  who is sarcastic sassy uses a gun you [TS]

  know now on the other hand she's still a [TS]

  princess [TS]

  you know I still think that's sort of in [TS]

  hindsight sort of a goofy thing you know [TS]

  that you know you gotta rescue the [TS]

  princess it's like little a little corny [TS]

  but you know the way that the carrie [TS]

  fisher character is not what you think [TS]

  of as a sci-fi princess at all at least [TS]

  pre Star Wars know if it's lucas did [TS]

  that movie now she would have been like [TS]

  the undersecretary for agriculture right [TS]

  between unions as good as she gets right [TS]

  you know she's like he keeps up with [TS]

  guys right she's not a tough but she's [TS]

  not quite as much of a tough chick is [TS]

  Karen Allen is but she's right yeah [TS]

  Karen Allen has the same you know that [TS]

  the she's not demure you know she's not [TS]

  a shrinking violet she's not there to be [TS]

  rescued now and and then exist you know [TS]

  think think exactly like what's-her-name [TS]

  and temple of doom [TS]

  kay-kay capture capture right Kate [TS]

  Capshaw where Kate Capshaw's you know is [TS]

  that to me is actually the obvious way [TS]

  to do it where you've got this woman [TS]

  who's completely helpless and I know [TS]

  that they played it for comedy and and [TS]

  you know that you couldn't do anything [TS]

  and she was worried about breaking her [TS]

  nails and you have to stick her hand and [TS]

  the bugs and all this stuff and she was [TS]

  scared of all this but that's the the [TS]

  more obvious way to do it you know that [TS]

  that the the woman is real girly and [TS]

  needs to be rescued and you know the man [TS]

  is the guy who does everything Karen [TS]

  Allen is total opposite and then you [TS]

  take it to the other instead of being a [TS]

  princess she's she's really in desperate [TS]

  straight to the beginning of the movie [TS]

  she's living in Nepal running a bar [TS]

  running a boring her money by i'm having [TS]

  a drinking contest right she's in a [TS]

  dirty ball barn apology don't have [TS]

  enough money to get back to the United [TS]

  States and [TS]

  and you know as you know severe when [TS]

  she's drunk she's drinking big guys [TS]

  under the table right through which I [TS]

  mean what it what a welcome for your [TS]

  heroine right right right and just you [TS]

  know and just the whole way that I [TS]

  honestly it's probably my favorite scene [TS]

  in the whole I don't know it's hard for [TS]

  me to pick a favorite thing i love the [TS]

  movie so much but the one that I can [TS]

  recite every line from his is taught [TS]

  coming tom is his henchmen coming into [TS]

  the bar [TS]

  good evening for line the bars closed [TS]

  here we have not testy when you want the [TS]

  same thing your friend dr. Jones wanted [TS]

  Shirley told you there would be as [TS]

  interested parties must have slipped his [TS]

  mind [TS]

  the man is the various I hope for your [TS]

  sake he is not eating planet [TS]

  why are you willing to offer more almost [TS]

  certainly [TS]

  but she's so you know it is not it [TS]

  you know who who who is the woman like [TS]

  that movie before you know it's like [TS]

  nobody I mean there were tough women out [TS]

  there were some great characters played [TS]

  in the old war movies which clearly [TS]

  Raiders withdrawing from great [TS]

  absolutely not just from the serials but [TS]

  it drew from those new war movies you [TS]

  know with the Bogart and Bacall I mean [TS]

  there's definitely a lot of lauren [TS]

  bacall oh absolutely Aryan but those [TS]

  those movies from like the forties and [TS]

  fifties they were they were head you [TS]

  know they couldn't they couldn't push it [TS]

  that far in terms of what could a woman [TS]

  do you could not seen in the bar with [TS]

  Indian and Karen Allen gonna be bogart [TS]

  and bacall oh absolutely no internet [TS]

  practically the models right out to have [TS]

  and have-nots and you know even the way [TS]

  it's lit and it now its color not black [TS]

  and white but it's it's almost [TS]

  monochrome with those real warm tones [TS]

  from you know where all the light is [TS]

  from actual like fire like a fireplace [TS]

  and right handle and it's all and it's [TS]

  all shadows and the shadows throughout [TS]

  this movie I mean it's one it's like the [TS]

  look for the shadows the next time you [TS]

  watch it its it's hilarious this movie [TS]

  is all shadows but in that scene that's [TS]

  where the shadows of the most obvious [TS]

  india shadow when he walks in during the [TS]

  gunfight ensues people shot with in [TS]

  shadow just their silhouette is getting [TS]

  shot just amazing the lighting in there [TS]

  i'm not even i'm not really a great [TS]

  visualizer of things just close my eyes [TS]

  and imagine what it would look like but [TS]

  I I can you can actually it's easy you [TS]

  can just imagine that scene in black and [TS]

  white [TS]

  oh yeah I can you know 1940 start over [TS]

  right that's my favorite scene and it's [TS]

  not because it's the one and it's it [TS]

  they do such a good job with the [TS]

  introductions of all the characters you [TS]

  know like you said like at the very [TS]

  beginning of the movie when you're [TS]

  introduced to indiana jones and it's [TS]

  this long the serious tease [TS]

  well here's your introduction Marion [TS]

  first the drinking contest then you know [TS]

  the Nazis come together and she's not [TS]

  afraid she's not afraid until they've [TS]

  actually got a red-hot poker about to [TS]

  Scarface up and it's a great [TS]

  introduction but she's just she's not [TS]

  what you expect is the heroine in action [TS]

  movie [TS]

  absolutely not and even casting wise [TS]

  she's she doesn't look like you know [TS]

  it's not the is she's not that she's not [TS]

  an attractive woman but she's not like a [TS]

  bombshell she's not the [TS]

  however that woman as you play Elsa and [TS]

  in the third movie poor allison duty who [TS]

  never never really did anything else [TS]

  right [TS]

  you know she just doesn't even look the [TS]

  part in another way that they subvert [TS]

  the whole the whole heroin hero [TS]

  relationship is you mentioned you know [TS]

  she's not your usual kind of heroin [TS]

  where you gotta rescue her and all that [TS]

  but there is in fact the scene in the [TS]

  desert where indie comes into the tent [TS]

  discover she's alive it's great here to [TS]

  rescue her of it and again he doesn't [TS]

  rescue realize our backup think thinks [TS]

  better of it ties her back up there [TS]

  doesn't it puts his blade away puts the [TS]

  gag back on her and says I'll see you [TS]

  later and leaves her and then of course [TS]

  she's almost you know tortured again i'm [TS]

  at after that so it which is it's just [TS]

  amazing it's like what am I watching [TS]

  here the hero is found found the girl he [TS]

  can rescue where he's like but doesn't [TS]

  that is so we battle without the whole [TS]

  the whole thing with with indie right is [TS]

  that even though he's set up to be our [TS]

  hero think about like you know if you [TS]

  look at his track record right like in [TS]

  the movie he doesn't do such a good job [TS]

  right he makes it all the way through [TS]

  the damn temple and then you know Belloc [TS]

  takes the thing away from him he's [TS]

  scared of the snake in the cockpit you [TS]

  know like he's constantly doing these [TS]

  things which are probably not like you [TS]

  know the real is like crack the Well of [TS]

  Souls they crack the Well of Souls is [TS]

  this great moments like me haha we've [TS]

  got Hitler and then it gets kinda looks [TS]

  down he's like oh well nobody's ever [TS]

  seen when they open up his neck so the [TS]

  the the atomistic comes out its like the [TS]

  this hasn't been opened since biblical [TS]

  times and he looks down he's like how [TS]

  snakes right it's like completely I mean [TS]

  and I think this again about like the [TS]

  scene [TS]

  another great scene i think is that [TS]

  scene where he has a boxing match with [TS]

  the big huge Germany I it was going to [TS]

  get scrapped but basically does frequent [TS]

  you know it kind of like you see him [TS]

  going into it like sighing like a man i [TS]

  just gonna I'm not gonna win this one [TS]

  any punches the guy right like once and [TS]

  like purses and you know and I mean I [TS]

  think in some ways he's kind of the only [TS]

  the only other film character i can [TS]

  think who takes that level of abuses [TS]

  like John McClane in the die hard movies [TS]

  with the yoga's we have this great like [TS]

  15 minutes [TS]

  chase scene which is just a [TS]

  fantastically shot chasing where he's [TS]

  all of you know jump and run over the [TS]

  trucks and getting dragged behind the [TS]

  trucks and everything and I [TS]

  yeah i think what's great is that you [TS]

  know he's he's kind of indestructible [TS]

  yes to that certain extent in the way [TS]

  that that all good action heroes are but [TS]

  he doesn't it's not all about him just [TS]

  like beating the crap out of everybody [TS]

  right like he got he shows the we're [TS]

  right you should run out of the car he [TS]

  gets punched by a bunch of Germans he [TS]

  gets dragged behind the car for a while [TS]

  I mean he really has hit points don't [TS]

  come back [TS]

  exactly and I mean I love and that of [TS]

  course is the setup for that great line [TS]

  in the scene with Marion it's not the [TS]

  years it's the mileage which is just you [TS]

  know I think one of those years sums up [TS]

  Indiana Jones kind of in a nutshell i [TS]

  love Raiders so much more than the other [TS]

  movies and I just don't think they [TS]

  really stand up that much what but there [TS]

  is some stuff that I like about them and [TS]

  I do think they sort of have like an [TS]

  interesting arc 11 interesting aspect of [TS]

  it is this angle that he doesn't get [TS]

  what he never gets what he's actually [TS]

  after until Raiders because and it's not [TS]

  obvious it's only after like read the [TS]

  actual you know thing at the bottom that [TS]

  the beginning of the movie but Temple of [TS]

  Doom is a prequel not a sequel right [TS]

  takes place a year before Raiders and he [TS]

  doesn't get it doesn't end up with those [TS]

  stones either you know he never comes [TS]

  back with what he's looking for the main [TS]

  thing I mean I guess he could have kept [TS]

  the stones but he gave it back to the [TS]

  the villagers or whatever and then you [TS]

  know he's in Raiders and he goes after [TS]

  that I'll at the beginning and blocks [TS]

  steals it and then he doesn't get to [TS]

  keep the ark the government takes it [TS]

  away but it's like that's that he went [TS]

  and got it for them you know they kind [TS]

  of had it in writing get to keep it but [TS]

  they got it is like what redeemed him [TS]

  and then the next movie it doesn't get [TS]

  too greatly there and again no no not [TS]

  really no it was an open with the [TS]

  granite rocks at the beginning Ross and [TS]

  then he when he gets back home and then [TS]

  then he has this line races to Marcus I [TS]

  got it Marcus [TS]

  I got it it's like now because of [TS]

  raiders he's a guy who gets the things [TS]

  he's after right and then the lesson of [TS]

  of two of that movie is supposed to be [TS]

  you know where he is dad says let it go [TS]

  you know that there's it you know the [TS]

  lesson is there some things that are [TS]

  more important than getting [TS]

  the thing I mean presumably if he hadn't [TS]

  listened to his father he would have [TS]

  slipped and fallen into the crevice to [TS]

  bike by trying to reach that that grill [TS]

  that was like a fingertip away but I you [TS]

  know but i had to me the more telling [TS]

  part is that he got that cross he was [TS]

  after in the opening adventure and he [TS]

  doesn't get the the one that he doesn't [TS]

  get the diamond that he was after he [TS]

  doesn't get the idol doesn't get the art [TS]

  but now he gets the cross so I you know [TS]

  that's interesting you mentioned the [TS]

  that he doesn't get the ark me and the [TS]

  government gets it and of course there's [TS]

  the famous scene at the end with the [TS]

  with the warehouse which is one of my [TS]

  favorite things in any movie maybe the [TS]

  best ending to any movie ever [TS]

  yeah uh it's it's okay this is it really [TS]

  is the best I mean it's just [TS]

  unbelievably good next time you watch it [TS]

  they look look at that again this we're [TS]

  going to come back to that seen with [TS]

  with Harrison Ford and gentlemen Elliot [TS]

  up on that stage talking to the [TS]

  government men at the beginning and I [TS]

  think it's actually right after that the [TS]

  government and leaving their they're [TS]

  toasting their success at at somebody's [TS]

  house in these are or for Marcus's i'm [TS]

  not sure which and there's a moment [TS]

  where andy says you know and they said [TS]

  would they said the university gets it [TS]

  the museum gets it when they're done [TS]

  with it the ark and one of the great [TS]

  moments i think really well played by [TS]

  denim Elliot is he sort of make some [TS]

  noise and goes of course and i look at [TS]

  that scene and I think he knows that [TS]

  there's no way the government's going to [TS]

  let them keep it and he's kinda lying to [TS]

  indy I think I think he's just sort of [TS]

  like stringing him along and saying I [TS]

  don't want to break this guy's heart but [TS]

  what are the chances that the government [TS]

  is really going to let us have it and of [TS]

  course they don't [TS]

  at the end it goes in the it goes in the [TS]

  box is being studied by top men top men [TS]

  yeah such a great ending all that exists [TS]

  that your hero has succeeded and it's [TS]

  hard home MacGuffin and and and then it [TS]

  gets put in a box to never be spotted [TS]

  again extend till they make a fourth [TS]

  movie that has an entire scene set in [TS]

  the heart Harrower Howard's line reading [TS]

  on that is is so good and when you need [TS]

  to says who [TS]

  your country a great service and we [TS]

  trust you found the settlement [TS]

  satisfactory for the money situation is [TS]

  totally unacceptable gentlemen I guess [TS]

  that just about wraps it up [TS]

  where is the arch I thought we settled [TS]

  that the r is somewhere very safe remove [TS]

  the r is a source of unspeakable power [TS]

  and it has to be researched and it will [TS]

  be assure you dr. Brody back to Jones we [TS]

  have top men working on it right now [TS]

  top men you know began its spoken by a [TS]

  guy who knows the top men [TS]

  yeah right like if I'm not right like [TS]

  who you raise it [TS]

  there's a certainty to that that the [TS]

  only guy who actually is a top man who [TS]

  top men it's it's just I mean I I think [TS]

  about that was thinking about that [TS]

  earlier in terms of just overall from [TS]

  the first and we talk to you know we [TS]

  mentioned several times there are no [TS]

  super flu shots in this movie but I [TS]

  really think from the first shot you [TS]

  know as the paramount logo basically [TS]

  gets like cross faded into you know that [TS]

  mountain all the way up to the warehouse [TS]

  shot at the end like I mean there are [TS]

  few movies that have both such an iconic [TS]

  opening and an iconic closing and that [TS]

  really from start to finish are just all [TS]

  like a plus perfect like shots [TS]

  so we can't can't go [TS]

  we haven't mentioned the music at all oh [TS]

  yeah did you were listening earlier to [TS]

  die in fact I listened to the entire [TS]

  score today just to just to get in the [TS]

  right lane and I was thinking about it [TS]

  because it occurred to me at one point [TS]

  that i actually thought I'd there's a [TS]

  queue in another film score by james [TS]

  horner which i think is is almost [TS]

  clearly an homage to the Williams score [TS]

  in the scene where at the very end of [TS]

  the scene with the ark there's this [TS]

  great like dissonant like you see all [TS]

  the spirits coming out of the ark and [TS]

  then in one of them comes right up to [TS]

  the camera and then you see it basically [TS]

  turn into this horrific ghost and the [TS]

  music turns all discordant and very [TS]

  jarring almost almost reminiscent of the [TS]

  the psycho theme by bernard herrmann yet [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  and I think that James Horner actually [TS]

  has a scene in the movie The Rocketeer [TS]

  there is the score to that which also [TS]

  involves Nazi Zeppelin lose everyone and [TS]

  which a Timothy Dalton villain why [TS]

  jetpacks away and then he blows up or [TS]

  something and I think that there's a [TS]

  scene that looks own very much in the [TS]

  shot of it like he's coming right at the [TS]

  camera and then you seem sort of turn [TS]

  all horrified as you realize he's not [TS]

  going to get away and it blows up in the [TS]

  music changes and I think that movie [TS]

  actually if i recall was also directed [TS]

  by a Joe Johnston who I think was [TS]

  Spielberg's second unit director on a [TS]

  lot of stuff i remember if he worked on [TS]

  Raiders as well but dan must everything [TS]

  come back to the rocketeer with you [TS]

  not everything but many is it is a great [TS]

  score it is end and I i hate to keep [TS]

  saying the word economical but but the [TS]

  core of it it does a lot of different [TS]

  things but that core theme medium just [TS]

  think that's famous is is great but [TS]

  there's a lot of other great stuff [TS]

  oh the Ark theme Marion's theme I mean [TS]

  it's you know it is advised with the [TS]

  Star Wars movies as Williams best score [TS]

  i think of all time probably I think I [TS]

  liked it better than the star wars [TS]

  scores don't say that stuff on it it's [TS]

  really you know it's it's I would say [TS]

  they're on par with each other they're [TS]

  so perfect i think that they really help [TS]

  especially in these movies with they [TS]

  just feel so right and they're so just [TS]

  just emotionally on cue that they make [TS]

  the preposterous feel more real right [TS]

  it's somehow the way that's the star [TS]

  wars the end Star Wars is clearly the [TS]

  more out there scenario i mean the whole [TS]

  thing is you know laser guns in outer [TS]

  space and and stuff but it somehow makes [TS]

  this preposterous premise feel real and [TS]

  raiders is absolutely got that you know [TS]

  there's I don't know it's it's it's just [TS]

  a fantastic day and it's great perfect [TS]

  music and it's the best music of all [TS]

  four movies [TS]

  oh yes that's that that's a little true [TS]

  i mean i think in it from its a movie [TS]

  it's so good in the way that you can [TS]

  listen to it from start to finish just [TS]

  the score and have the entire it's like [TS]

  a story the whole thing is just [TS]

  laid out for you and I think it really [TS]

  all the q's do such a good job of [TS]

  reflecting the various moments I mean [TS]

  and punctuating them along with the [TS]

  scene changes i'm thinking particularly [TS]

  of the the scene towards the end where [TS]

  they are sorry in the round most second [TS]

  act is where he they get out of the well [TS]

  souls and solid comes up its appointed [TS]

  they're loading their loading it onto a [TS]

  truck and Harrison Ford goes what truck [TS]

  and then we have this cut into the into [TS]

  the beginning of the chase and that the [TS]

  queue there is just as its setting it up [TS]

  i think it's just perfect [TS]

  india and we have no time if you still [TS]

  want the rock is being loaded onto a [TS]

  truck for chiral from what truck [TS]

  and totally hear that same sort of [TS]

  change from this we've we've broken our [TS]

  way out of the well souls which has this [TS]

  very sort of creepy ominous music into [TS]

  this more fast-paced action music and I [TS]

  think you know William's manages to run [TS]

  pretty much the whole gamut from from [TS]

  romance to action and back again in in a [TS]

  fantastic score just great [TS]

  the the Ark theme gives me the creeps [TS]

  even now and the end it and it it [TS]

  doesn't even mean just the ark to me [TS]

  it's sort of like this kind of ancient [TS]

  scary old testament wrath of God kind of [TS]

  feeling like don't mess with this it's [TS]

  it would be bad right [TS]

  uh just it's not for people and it plays [TS]

  over solace lying about how perhaps the [TS]

  ark was not meant to be possessed by man [TS]

  it's like blue it's it's chilling and [TS]

  then of course there's the great [TS]

  playback in in a temple of doom where he [TS]

  sees a picture of the sets at last [TS]

  crusade always that last cruise in the [TS]

  catacombs I'll guess what it is yeah [TS]

  that's right yeah that was just for a [TS]

  moment [TS]

  yeah it was a great a great little bit [TS]

  what is that Ark of the Covenant only [TS]

  thing i don't like about it is that and [TS]

  they do the same thing in the when it [TS]

  goes by and that the crystal skull one [TS]

  right when they go by that box they play [TS]

  the same thing but both times it's cool [TS]

  because I recognize it and you get that [TS]

  thrill of being clever and a big enough [TS]

  fan to recognize the what's that called [TS]

  when they do that it comes from term [TS]

  comes from a motif [TS]

  yes a motif her you know and then and [TS]

  then there's an instant sadness where [TS]

  you think this movie sounds good [TS]

  yeah yeah there's only the one monkey [TS]

  and raiders of the lost ark as opposed [TS]

  to the tribe of swinging monkeys and the [TS]

  Crystal Skull I maintain that would have [TS]

  been a better movie if so like Sean [TS]

  Connery's characters afraid of rats [TS]

  Indiana Jones afraid of snakes if if [TS]

  Sheila boss character had been like [TS]

  deathly afraid of monkeys monkeys why'd [TS]

  it have to be monkeys like that that to [TS]

  me would have allowed that opportunity [TS]

  is all about let me tell you it would [TS]

  have taken it from a very very low [TS]

  rating to a slightly less low ready yeah [TS]

  and thank you for reminding me by the [TS]

  way that the last crusade has upland in [TS]

  it [TS]

  indeed of course at that that raises it [TS]

  in my estimation [TS]

  just there one of the things that's [TS]

  interesting about Raiders of the Lost [TS]

  Ark is that it was the highly promoted [TS]

  collaboration between Steven Spielberg [TS]

  and George Lucas George Lucas shares a [TS]

  story credit on raiders of the lost ark [TS]

  as well as a producer credit he didn't [TS]

  write the screenplay and this is back [TS]

  i'll say this is back in the days when [TS]

  you'd see George Lucas name in the [TS]

  credits and you'd be like you George [TS]

  Lucas as opposed to an hour it's more [TS]

  like a turtle focus but it's interesting [TS]

  that this was a collaboration between [TS]

  these two figures from the late [TS]

  seventies who had incredible success [TS]

  with blockbuster pictures and this this [TS]

  was I mean talk about you're setting [TS]

  yourself up for failure right i mean how [TS]

  much hype could you get for a movie that [TS]

  was like the return of the great [TS]

  adventure with the tagline and Steven [TS]

  Spielberg and George Lucas it's Star [TS]

  Wars Close Encounters jaws it all [TS]

  together in this one thing with Han Solo [TS]

  is the star right and you know how high [TS]

  the bar do you have to set and yet they [TS]

  they pulled it off in fact more more [TS]

  than perhaps they ever would again this [TS]

  one that they really did hit it out of [TS]

  the park in and whatever Lucas [TS]

  contributed to it you know it's it's a [TS]

  good contribution because this was a [TS]

  great collaboration and of course I [TS]

  think Lucas tried to block Harrison Ford [TS]

  i think at first because he was on [TS]

  Selleck for yes Tom Selleck impact [TS]

  screen-tested was it was almost the was [TS]

  almost heard it was almost Indian Jones [TS]

  I think Lucas didn't want to because he [TS]

  was already tied into Star Wars there [TS]

  like I'm a weekend getaway from that but [TS]

  I mean obviously it would have been a [TS]

  very different movie with Tom's epic I [TS]

  don't even know if it's true it's it [TS]

  i've never been able to find it actually [TS]

  attributed to and who knows maybe [TS]

  somebody else but there's a one of the [TS]

  quotes i have from stanley kubrick is a [TS]

  ninety-percent of directing is casting [TS]

  and I never been i don't even think I've [TS]

  so you can't it don't go around quoting [TS]

  him on that because i had maybe a [TS]

  pocketful but it rings true though that [TS]

  it's just the most important part of [TS]

  directing a movie is picking the right [TS]

  people for the rules [TS]

  well when you think about writers you [TS]

  you think about not only Harrison Ford [TS]

  and Karen Allen but John rhys-davies and [TS]

  denim Elliot I mean it has some great [TS]

  actors doing some some great work who [TS]

  plays Belloc I don't know the guys name [TS]

  Pope Paul Freeman paulina and he's great [TS]

  he hits it right [TS]

  right on going and as John said told the [TS]

  guy who plays tote who I cannot name for [TS]

  the life of me but is such a fantastic [TS]

  bad guy you know and that and you know [TS]

  there's anything you need to have a [TS]

  claymation character dies at the end but [TS]

  there's something to that whole you know [TS]

  even picking the another carrier the [TS]

  actors who are not necessarily a list [TS]

  names but are perfect for those those [TS]

  roles that are so important because it's [TS]

  so much you know they bring so much to a [TS]

  role which may only be a secondary role [TS]

  but it somehow became an iconic part [TS]

  nonetheless right well I'll say that [TS]

  i'll give that to last crusade is I [TS]

  think there was really good casting last [TS]

  crusade not just Sean Connery but even [TS]

  like Julian clever you know yeah there's [TS]

  some good [TS]

  there's some good actors and in that [TS]

  movie too is it here's another good [TS]

  thing to say about writer so whenever we [TS]

  go on three hours on this we may have to [TS]

  do a sequel [TS]

  I hope it's better than the raiders [TS]

  you'll never be as good I think you can [TS]

  argue that then Raiders and is that this [TS]

  this goes to the story from Lucas in the [TS]

  screenplay and it you know so credit to [TS]

  Lucas and and Larry Kasdan but yeah but [TS]

  the whole thing everybody is smart like [TS]

  there's no like the bad guy wit plot the [TS]

  bad guys don't do anything stupid and I [TS]

  can't you know I can't say how much that [TS]

  is unlike almost every other movie in [TS]

  the genre you know and and including the [TS]

  other movies in the Indiana junks series [TS]

  you know nobody ever does anything [TS]

  that's stupid and block it block is is a [TS]

  perfect example of it the lock never [TS]

  really does anything done Bieber quotes [TS]

  gene siskel I think about the about hit [TS]

  the complaint about the idiot plot which [TS]

  is if your plot has to require somebody [TS]

  to do something just outrageously stupid [TS]

  that they shouldn't do there's something [TS]

  wrong and I don't think I see that in [TS]

  Raiders I i agree with you [TS]

  alright the way that that Indiana Jones [TS]

  pursues the Ark is smart and you know [TS]

  sala is smart you know even you know a [TS]

  great example of that is is the the [TS]

  thing you said where when he first saw [TS]

  Marion didn't have thought she was dead [TS]

  here's it she's alive and then he thinks [TS]

  it through and realizes we can entire [TS]

  because they don't know is there right [TS]

  it's smart it's like he's you know [TS]

  they're I it's like that throughout the [TS]

  whole movie the only thing you could [TS]

  argue in [TS]

  is dumb it's not a character being dumb [TS]

  it's just like the only corner they [TS]

  painted themselves in story-wise is the [TS]

  house ND survive on top of the submarine [TS]

  uh-huh that's the one that a one-time in [TS]

  the whole movie that they painted [TS]

  themselves into a corner [TS]

  all they need to do is have a have a [TS]

  like you know I assume that there's an [TS]

  action scene that we don't see where he [TS]

  like overpowers the guy at the hatch and [TS]

  and tucks himself in under the hatch and [TS]

  there is there's a shot of that I think [TS]

  of the filming and but i think it may be [TS]

  of a scene that was cut in which he's [TS]

  holding onto the periscope and I can [TS]

  kind of see why they would cut that like [TS]

  he's he's standing on it over like on [TS]

  the water and holding onto the periscope [TS]

  i believe there may be a cutscene of [TS]

  that but yes I can i yeah that is one of [TS]

  the sort of like I'd rather an engine he [TS]

  fights his way just into the and hides [TS]

  in the in the sub maybe they never go [TS]

  underwater [TS]

  that was my thought you got a sub you [TS]

  got to take it down right i mean why do [TS]

  you were you the u-boat captain if you [TS]

  don't if you're not talking to us to [TS]

  vote which they actually say dive the [TS]

  u-boat well then here's the thing though [TS]

  they weren't they weren't at war yet [TS]

  worldwartwo is still years away so it [TS]

  wasn't like they needed to to submerge I [TS]

  think you can i don't know i don't i [TS]

  don't know what standard operating [TS]

  procedure is for a for a German sub in [TS]

  1936 if they always out under if it's [TS]

  more taking the command to dive though [TS]

  they do injure in in the bad and i will [TS]

  say this the German somebody took high [TS]

  school and college German the Germans [TS]

  and greater speak high school and [TS]

  college camp it's not the best German [TS]

  and the Pali boy [TS]

  in the comic book app adaptation he and [TS]

  I you know who knows i think i think [TS]

  that the Marvel guys just got to do that [TS]

  on her own but they had him lashing [TS]

  himself to the periscope with his whip [TS]

  it could be from the screen player or I [TS]

  have some some some sketches that we're [TS]

  done that we're never shot right either [TS]

  the either that's either that's what [TS]

  we're supposed to believe in the comic [TS]

  book guys exposed force or the [TS]

  comic-book guys had the same [TS]

  conversation we're having right we got [TS]

  it we got to figure out some kind of way [TS]

  that he could be on top of a sub for a [TS]

  couple you know for this trip [TS]

  the the stupidity of villains and how [TS]

  and how we don't have a lot of that I [TS]

  that one of the things I like about how [TS]

  the movie ends is that in the end you [TS]

  know you don't defeat the villains [TS]

  because of their stupidity they defeat [TS]

  themselves really mean it and he doesn't [TS]

  win at the end what happens is that the [TS]

  not the evil of the Nazis and the greed [TS]

  of of the Nazis and a Belloc is what it [TS]

  destroys them right and and it is that [TS]

  fruit from steven spielberg you know [TS]

  Jewish filmmaker making a movie about [TS]

  Old Testament stories that starts out [TS]

  very with his hero being a non believer [TS]

  in the end that's sort of what happens [TS]

  at the end of this movie not to get all [TS]

  kinda highfalutin about it but in the [TS]

  end it's the it's the evil in their [TS]

  characters that that lose the day for [TS]

  them not something that our heroes [TS]

  goodness ducks right our heroes goodness [TS]

  is close your eyes right and ride it out [TS]

  right [TS]

  I like that and and I do think that's [TS]

  why it resonates so well and it's it is [TS]

  in fact what most action you know [TS]

  popcorn movies whatever you want to call [TS]

  them you know good guys versus bad guys [TS]

  movies implicitly want to argue that the [TS]

  good guys going to win because he's good [TS]

  and good wins over evil but plot-wise [TS]

  it's always the good guy wins because [TS]

  the bad guy does something stupid or [TS]

  foolish whereas this one it actually is [TS]

  the good guy wins simply because it you [TS]

  know it comes down to actually being [TS]

  good right it's this that right i mean [TS]

  because the Nazis them Nazis they get it [TS]

  right they get the ark they're ready [TS]

  they've sort of one right until that [TS]

  point they've taken into the secret [TS]

  island but they still pay the price [TS]

  so raise lost i guess we liked it i get [TS]

  a thumbs up [TS]

  well I want to thank both of you John [TS]

  and Dan for for joining me and we should [TS]

  do this again sometime this was a lot of [TS]

  fun we should have a second the second [TS]

  one we should be what we talked about [TS]

  everything that's wrong with the other [TS]

  Indiana Jones movies and that would be a [TS]

  sequel worthy of the original right I i [TS]

  would have to watch them again now but [TS]

  you can seriously you get a wet i think [TS]

  we spent like 20 seconds talk about [TS]

  what's wrong with raiders of the lost [TS]

  ark we could we could spend four hours [TS]

  talking about what's wrong with the [TS]

  other one [TS]

  you know I actually haven't seen temple [TS]

  of doom since i saw it like on VHS right [TS]

  when it came out on VHS after exercise [TS]

  in theory opening is good the open china [TS]

  is the first half minute opening I seem [TS]

  as happy and I talked about this on the [TS]

  phone this podcast last month that I've [TS]

  seen the opening on cable and up to the [TS]

  point which wich i said i love up to the [TS]

  point where they jump out of the plane [TS]

  yet it's actually great and I don't and [TS]

  there's that moment with a nice trial oj [TS]

  and then close the door and latch onto [TS]

  the plane right i love that and then [TS]

  they did when they jump out so I can you [TS]

  know that's an accurate yet you get the [TS]

  movie wednesday and Aykroyd not allow [TS]

  che but these the the no but he's the [TS]

  guy yeah the guy you like gets in the [TS]

  booking on the plane [TS]

  yeah i'm jumping out of that plane is it [TS]

  it is the quality of the whole series [TS]

  it used to be up here and I did right [TS]

  here as they're jumping out of the plane [TS]

  here [TS]

  Jericho circuits that and they pass a [TS]

  shark on the way that that's the crystal [TS]

  shark [TS]

  thank you thank you very much mr. screen [TS]

  pump yeah that was a lot of fun [TS]

  alright that's it [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  we didn't even get to the debate about [TS]

  who's better boba fett jango fett so [TS]

  we'll have to Jonas grouper argues that [TS]

  it's django right my son says you can't [TS]

  that's right he's got two guns who [TS]

  yeah that's a convincing argument I [TS]

  think nothing made me happier in in [TS]

  episode 2 then 3 a boba fett backpack [TS]

  rocket launcher go off which is a [TS]

  references that episode 2 right which is [TS]

  that in reference to the the recall [TS]

  that's the toy [TS]

  yeah because they went much shoots right [TS]

  that that class almost enough to make me [TS]

  like Jango Fett the best but I I'm i was [TS]

  born in the seventies so it's got to be [TS]

  boba focus the best you know what the [TS]

  universe is one thing I know we're [TS]

  talking indiana jones i was just [TS]

  watching empire strikes back with with [TS]

  my boy the other day and when Luke first [TS]

  gets to best been and he's you know Han [TS]

  Solo has already been frozen he's been [TS]

  wheeled away he's coming down the [TS]

  hallway Boba Fett is with those best [TS]

  regards and they've got on levitated [TS]

  there they're pushing him down the [TS]

  hallway [TS]

  Luke season duck's back weights and then [TS]

  he goes and boba fett notices you had [TS]

  you know never moved didn't turn his [TS]

  head but of course is both fat he knows [TS]

  that Luke Skywalker's down there he's [TS]

  there he's waiting he takes a shot at [TS]

  him and almost hit him almost shoots him [TS]

  right in the face it like hits the wall [TS]

  right next to his face [TS]

  imagine how this Darth Vader with a [TS]

  witness over that would not look at the [TS]

  face to go ahead and pay you for for [TS]

  Skywalker I paid you for solo right man [TS]

  got him [TS]

  it's just that all of the what if [TS]

  something had gone slightly there who's [TS]

  just imagine how pissed are faded set [TS]

  this whole thing out [TS]

  imagine of people with that she had Luke [TS]

  enough it's aight i assume you [TS]

  enough it's aight i assume you [TS]

  in the robot chicken star wars yes yeah [TS]

  John is that that that strikes me as [TS]

  being a bunch of guys who have gone [TS]

  through everyone if like all of us have [TS]

  in Star Wars and then and then it ended [TS]

  up animating them which is why i love [TS]

  those those two so much is because it is [TS]

  everything that I always ask myself Who [TS]

  how do the little black boxes on wheels [TS]

  get around and who's inside them and the [TS]

  answer is there's a there's a mouse with [TS]

  the flask of alcohol inside [TS]

  also I IRA had an idea for a short film [TS]

  called Vader and son here's the here's [TS]

  the pitch the pitch is it's it's Luke's [TS]

  Luke is let's say two years old what [TS]

  maybe one year always gotta be I get [TS]

  more like a baby so it'sit's soon after [TS]

  the the third movie ended right and and [TS]

  you see Vader he's in his little [TS]

  meditation chamber and he suddenly [TS]

  thinks about like let's and I still [TS]

  don't know what the quite the MacGuffin [TS]

  is but he thinks is something back home [TS]

  on Tatooine from his boyhood maybe it's [TS]

  3pl right he decides to go as Darth [TS]

  Vader to tattooing to get Threepio and [TS]

  boom he finds Luke cut to something you [TS]

  know like and Peru saying as he's taken [TS]

  away like where's where's hope you want [TS]

  cut to the cantina and there's obi-wan [TS]

  he's just an alcoholic and that's how he [TS]

  knows that it's a wretched hive of scum [TS]

  and villainy is that ends up Toby well [TS]

  what we want to do that during those 20 [TS]

  years right that's it that's what did [TS]

  you what did he do I say he was drinking [TS]

  right so Vader it takes Luke away and [TS]

  take them to the Emperor and the Emperor [TS]

  hold him he's a baby and says he can [TS]

  destroy me i have foreseen it right and [TS]

  then all the sudden spate babybaby [TS]

  Lupe's on the Emperor and while the [TS]

  Emperor's distracted Vader to cut them [TS]

  down and now Vader and rule the galaxy [TS]

  as father and son right and he's a [TS]

  little baby that that is the [TS]

  oscar-winning short all over it [TS]

  I think pixar were to do that so baby [TS]

  Luke isn't properly diapered now he's [TS]

  just Vader Vader obviously has no idea [TS]

  about how to be a father so he's just [TS]

  got a naked baby rhino diaper anything [TS]

  so that you can just spray right on the [TS]

  Emperor or maybe like it's like a bad [TS]

  sadly diaper diaper that falls down [TS]

  while the Emperor's holding like I [TS]

  imagine the Emperor holding I'm sorted [TS]

  by the pits like in front of them you [TS]

  know from what he doesn't know like [TS]

  chief of protocol of the Empire would be [TS]

  like Oh Emperor was just looking at the [TS]

  baby and he says that he can destroy me [TS]

  i have foreseen it and he does because [TS]

  it's while he's distracted better cut [TS]

  them down [TS]

  out of the mouths of babes not the [TS]

  mouths friend i drive-a kids I don't [TS]

  know how that works it could be it up on [TS]

  on on the Emperor to I just think there [TS]

  would be a great dad little hardcore [TS]

  certainly a lot of hardware be a lot of [TS]

  fun i think you have a lot of fun i mean [TS]

  yeah i probably pretty strict but need [TS]

  to be a lot of upside to it you have [TS]

  failed me for the last time you did not [TS]

  take out the garbage [TS]

  I find your lack of bathroom hygiene [TS]

  disturbing great look like imagine this [TS]

  imagine your looks right so now it's [TS]

  that happens when Lucas like what you [TS]

  know there's nine months old or [TS]

  something like that now you know couple [TS]

  years later Luke's in kindergarten now [TS]

  imagine your loops kindergarten teacher [TS]

  and later cums in a parent-teacher it's [TS]

  too much homework they shouldn't have [TS]

  homework in kindergarten right [TS]

  give them a little force around the neck [TS]

  it's an old Jedi mind trick [TS]

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