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0:00:34the incomparable Todd test at this

0:00:39little date October 2010 with Jason's

0:00:43now and marlin and special guest john

0:00:47you know the funny thing is I i asked

0:00:56you guys here today to talk about

0:00:58raiders of the lost ark and while we

0:01:02were waiting to start recording

0:01:04John was pointing out that his son is

0:01:06watching The Last Crusade downstairs as

0:01:09we speak which i would put second and

0:01:11then the list perhaps but really ok

0:01:13that's me

0:01:14I know you love that one I actually

0:01:15thought you might have put it first but

0:01:16you put at second base it's a close one

0:01:18but i think you know the Raiders is

0:01:20probably the superior technically

0:01:22superior of the film's I i love Raiders

0:01:25I was really sad when it came out on DVD

0:01:27and they wanted you to force you to buy

0:01:29all three movies together because to me

0:01:32raiders is just so much better than the

0:01:35other two and I like I think the third

0:01:371i think i think last crusade is is good

0:01:40but Raiders there's something maybe

0:01:42there's something about it I don't know

0:01:43every time I go back and try to look at

0:01:45them though I still think that that the

0:01:47first one is the best one

0:01:48my son is six and he he got on a big

0:01:51Indiana Jones kick

0:01:53I don't know about two years ago years

0:01:55ago whenever we first started watching a

0:01:56man and bring up probably honestly you

0:01:59know that the book of good parenting

0:02:00probably too young to be watching them

0:02:02but and I watch them a lot when I was

0:02:04younger too but having watched them

0:02:06again and many many times and just even

0:02:09just stop thru as mosis by having a kid

0:02:11on Saturday afternoon watching it again

0:02:14and again and again just in you know i'm

0:02:15not even watching it with them every

0:02:17time but I've seen them a lot recently

0:02:19all of them and it just it it's just one

0:02:21of those things were my mile long time

0:02:23feeling it just has reiterated every

0:02:25time the Raiders to me it stands apart

0:02:27it's not even it's not that did the

0:02:29other ones aren't good but they're not

0:02:31even the same type of movie because I

0:02:33think all the ones after i think the

0:02:34other three temple of doom and

0:02:36definitely Last Crusade and and that the

0:02:39goofy one the Crystal Skull they are

0:02:41Indiana Jones movies you know there's

0:02:43like a formula and he's indiana jones

0:02:45and it's like making a James Bond movie

0:02:47whereas Raiders it wasn't it was like

0:02:49they didn't even know what Indiana Jones

0:02:51movie is which is interesting too

0:02:52because when they did we release them on

0:02:54DVD they change the title because it

0:02:57used to be when it came out it was just

0:02:58raiders of the lost ark and then it's

0:03:00now if you look

0:03:01I think it's officially indiana jones

0:03:03and the raiders of the lost ark to like

0:03:05on the labeling yeah to fit on the label

0:03:07yeah but i just want just go look at

0:03:09netflix because i just did a minute ago

0:03:11and it will not come up if you just

0:03:13search for i typed in Raiders and I

0:03:15couldn't find it and I want huh i typed

0:03:17in Raiders of the Lost Ark and the

0:03:18autocomplete was indiana jones and the

0:03:20raiders of the lost ark at least they

0:03:21didn't retouch the credits they had the

0:03:23credit still are that old you know kind

0:03:25of like real old republic cereal credits

0:03:28that just a raiders in big letters of

0:03:30the Lost Ark they didn't sort of redcon

0:03:33the the title in the film itself but all

0:03:36the packaging they did and you know I

0:03:38don't know there's like a i

0:03:40don't--there's like a certain visceral

0:03:41miss to it that it isn't in the other

0:03:43ones because the other ones are Indiana

0:03:46Jones movie i'm gonna steal this from

0:03:47from our friend John siracusa who I

0:03:49think mentioned this but some point when

0:03:51I was tweeting or something about

0:03:52Raiders before that one of the

0:03:54differences and am definitely feeling

0:03:56this from him is that because the other

0:03:58ones are Indiana Jones movies you know

0:04:01that Indiana Jones isn't gonna die

0:04:03whereas the Raiders that's it's not even

0:04:05clear like you know what if you've you

0:04:07know watch them all 20 times you know

0:04:08that but like the first time you saw it

0:04:10there wasn't even a certainty that he

0:04:12was going to make it out of it you know

0:04:14that it was the beginning of a franchise

0:04:16you know it didn't feel like it was just

0:04:18a movie about this guy on a crazy

0:04:20adventure on the way it starts you know

0:04:22he's he's a mystery at the beginning

0:04:25right i mean for the first five minutes

0:04:26three minutes of the movie you just see

0:04:28him in shadow and or just his back or

0:04:32just the back of his head or just his

0:04:34hand with the whip and it's it's only

0:04:36three or four minutes in when he steps

0:04:38out of the shadows and into the light

0:04:40you're like a high terrorism forward and

0:04:42you know it's not one of those

0:04:43portrayals of like here's our hero you

0:04:45know him you love him

0:04:46it's this who's this guy you know Izzy

0:04:48Izzy bad but he's kind of he's kind of

0:04:50menacing and quiet and then you meet him

0:04:53as opposed to any other movies I think

0:04:55it's just like hey there is it's our

0:04:56buddy

0:04:57well I me and then the sense you know

0:04:58the other two movies and three if you

0:05:01will are all four still live up to that

0:05:03first one to write I mean like John says

0:05:06it you know became sort of a formula at

0:05:08that point well how do we emulate this

0:05:09movie that was so great

0:05:11and it's well you know let's try to

0:05:12follow some of the things that we did in

0:05:14the first one but they're never quite

0:05:16going to live up to to the original

0:05:18source material as it were

0:05:20well the last crusade is the most

0:05:24obvious attempt to replay Raiders right

0:05:27i mean the second one is to be credited

0:05:29for trying to be different the third one

0:05:31it's like well okay we're going to go

0:05:32back to the Nazis and we're gonna have a

0:05:34religious artifact right and i think

0:05:36it's salvaged mainly by the fact that

0:05:38the the sean connery Harrison Ford

0:05:40relationship is just fantastic but yes

0:05:42it does go back to the same well if you

0:05:44will then full snakes that well there's

0:05:48a bunch of things though about Raiders

0:05:50that ma'am and I'll even go this far and

0:05:52I've said this NP i say this to people

0:05:53and I'm a fan of all sorts of movies i

0:05:56moved you know love serious series

0:05:58movies in addition to you know sigh fine

0:06:01adventure type stuff

0:06:02honestly I mean this is totally

0:06:04straightforward that I think Raiders is

0:06:07the best movie steven spielberg's ever

0:06:09made I think it's one of the it's one of

0:06:10the greatest movies ever made not just

0:06:12in the in terms of action and stuff i

0:06:14would hold it up there as one of the

0:06:16easy top 10 movies ever made

0:06:18maybe top 5i really i ate technically

0:06:21it's just so well done it so well paced

0:06:23it's it is original in ways that I

0:06:27everything I mean you know the opening

0:06:30that just I can't say enough good things

0:06:33about it i was watching it this weekend

0:06:35and in preparation semi preparation for

0:06:37this and I was reminded actually couple

0:06:40of things i was reminded roger ebert

0:06:41writes about how before he lost his

0:06:43voice he would he would do these

0:06:44sessions with citizen came in front of a

0:06:47group where he would they would posit

0:06:49anybody could just shout pause at any

0:06:51time and they would look at the frame

0:06:52and talk about it and I thought I

0:06:54actually think Raiders could withstand

0:06:55that level of scrutiny

0:06:57yeah as I was watching and I was

0:06:58thinking you know even every the economy

0:07:01of it every shot every line of dialogue

0:07:03has a reason for being there some of it

0:07:06really not obvious at the time and and

0:07:08and doesn't feel obvious but at

0:07:10everything you see the reason the monkey

0:07:12is there the conversations that Marion

0:07:15has when she's closing up the bar the

0:07:17drinking the drinking scene which seems

0:07:19to just be about her character until you

0:07:20see her do it again in the desert with

0:07:22Belloc there's so much there that is

0:07:25perfectly every shot is there for a

0:07:27reason and you could really take it

0:07:29apart and the other the other thought I

0:07:30had when I was watching it is it's old

0:07:32enough now because it was made in what

0:07:341981 yeah sometimes 1988 it's old enough

0:07:37now that it feels like a classic movie

0:07:39and instead of being of its time I look

0:07:41at it now and I think I feel about this

0:07:43movie like I feel about Lawrence of

0:07:44Arabia except actually liked this movie

0:07:45more than Lawrence of Arabia so I I

0:07:48think you're right I i would say it is

0:07:50one of the best movies and and it might

0:07:52be Spielberg's best it doesn't have a

0:07:54lot of Spielberg he's got a lot of

0:07:56things that he does that are kind of

0:07:57kind of sappy I'm kind of over played

0:08:00there are a few of those things in here

0:08:01i think at one point in the monkey

0:08:03actually goes 0 which is just like come

0:08:05on

0:08:06but generally I think you're right yeah

0:08:07and then that whole class of filmmakers

0:08:09those you know the Lucas Spielberg

0:08:11Coppola you know that whole seventies

0:08:13generation went through this whole thing

0:08:16and it was fantastic what they did I

0:08:18think I mean it's you know everybody

0:08:19realizes the seventies were a fantastic

0:08:22decade for movies and I think we're

0:08:24traitors is a little bit more like one

0:08:26of those seventies movies then the

0:08:29eighties you know I think it feels a

0:08:30little bit more like something from the

0:08:32end of the came out a couple years after

0:08:35but it was like of that you know whose

0:08:37it was to this genre what star wars was

0:08:39to science fiction you know well I think

0:08:41about the Godfather the right is what

0:08:42the Godfather he's a mobster movie right

0:08:44and yet it's got all this praise right

0:08:46was so what those guys did is they took

0:08:48the genres that were typically schlocky

0:08:50but they loved them and had good things

0:08:52about them and so what if we did them

0:08:53straight guy what if we did what if we

0:08:55with good production values and we cast

0:08:59you know the best actors in the world

0:09:00you know Marlon Brando in a gangster

0:09:03movie alec guinness as as the the you

0:09:06know the wizard in Star Wars and play it

0:09:10straight do all these things and do

0:09:11these you know these things that

0:09:13typically would look terrible real goofy

0:09:15action you know bad bad special effects

0:09:18on a soundstage let's do it straight and

0:09:20I it really stands out whereas all the

0:09:24other ones i think you know they come

0:09:26across is doing an Indiana Jones movie

0:09:28well I mean there's a certain also

0:09:30certain i mean i guess for lack of a

0:09:31better term total consistency to raiders

0:09:34that I think is lacking for the other

0:09:35ones and I think chasing your point

0:09:36about like the monkey like theirs

0:09:38there's a lot less you know I think a

0:09:40lot of people who drive last crusade

0:09:42especially focus on a couple specific

0:09:44things such as making some of the

0:09:46characters into caricatures specifically

0:09:49saleh and Marcus who both are in the

0:09:53first and raiders you know are both very

0:09:55you know serious presences yeah right

0:09:58and great characters and then it in in

0:10:01Last Crusade they become the comic

0:10:02relief especially Marcus yeah especially

0:10:04Marcus it's the terrible what they did

0:10:07to that character but I mean and I and I

0:10:08can definitely see that in some way that

0:10:10the Raiders you know can get Raiders has

0:10:12genuinely funny moments without relax

0:10:15relying on things that are you know

0:10:17bumbling comedy you know for example I

0:10:19mean one of the best games of all time

0:10:21in that movie and of course in a movie

0:10:23full of great scenes is the scene where

0:10:25you know Andy's chasing Marion through

0:10:27the marketplace when she's in the basket

0:10:29and the care of the crowds part and the

0:10:31guy comes out with a sword and you know

0:10:33does this cool like flipping his sword

0:10:35around whatever and and and he looks in

0:10:37for a minute and pulls out his gun

0:10:38shoots it and it's just such a it's a

0:10:40great moment of of sort of you know kind

0:10:42of darkish comedy but it's not it

0:10:45doesn't sort of fall back on cheap

0:10:47tropes it's unexpected which is what

0:10:49makes it so funny right

0:10:51doesn't seem implausible seems like

0:10:52actually why not it's actually I'd like

0:10:54why do you ask the question why wouldn't

0:10:56you just shoot right right exactly

0:10:58you know the backstory behind that right

0:10:59yeah that's he got sick right nuclei in

0:11:01terrible diarrhea

0:11:03yeah and so then they did it there's a

0:11:04reference to it in Temple of Doom they

0:11:06sort of do a call back to that because

0:11:08there's a minute where he goes for his

0:11:10gun to shoot a guy and he doesn't have

0:11:12it so he does he whips the sword out of

0:11:14his hand or whatever

0:11:15yeah there's the the only the only

0:11:16moment in the whole Raiders that I think

0:11:18is often wanted the the monkey stuff

0:11:21like I think maybe stretches it but

0:11:23doesn't go over the only thing that I

0:11:24think is off is the scene on the boat

0:11:26where Marion flips the mirror around and

0:11:28hits him on the chin and it cuts to

0:11:30outside it isn't even cut well it like

0:11:33cuts to outside the boat and Indiana

0:11:35Jones screams in pain and she just goes

0:11:37what like she doesn't know what happened

0:11:39like if you it doesn't make any sense

0:11:41like if you swing a mirror like that and

0:11:43hit somebody you know you hit them you'd

0:11:45feel it you know on the mirror is the

0:11:47only moment in the whole thing that

0:11:50that feels off to me would you say it's

0:11:58like they needed a a a comic relief beat

0:12:00because they were really smack between

0:12:02two sections of the movie and that

0:12:04supposed to be a romantic moment with

0:12:06Marion and indie before that the final

0:12:10act kicks in but the mirror hitting him

0:12:12in the chin isn't this is slapstick and

0:12:14it is a little slap see i love it though

0:12:16I there's something about that scene

0:12:17that that I think is I mean yes the sort

0:12:20of reaction never quite made sense but

0:12:22at the same time I love that right the

0:12:23scene is good i love that bit yeah

0:12:26there's a scene early on that I really

0:12:28appreciated and watching this movie

0:12:29again you talk about taking this movie

0:12:32and playing it straight these genres

0:12:33pictures like The Godfather and star

0:12:36wars and and raiders and I love a scene

0:12:39actually if you have a broad comedy the

0:12:41scene where where we cut from the jungle

0:12:43to the college and India is giving his

0:12:45lecture and there's the girl and this is

0:12:47supposed to be the thirties and there's

0:12:48the girl with i love you written on her

0:12:51eyelids which I thought I'm know that

0:12:54that seems kind of wacky for the

0:12:57thirties but anyway the scene where he

0:12:59gets called by marcus into the library

0:13:01basically because the FBI men are there

0:13:03asking about this naughty telegram that

0:13:07mentions a bit rate Ravenwood and as

0:13:10they're discussing Tanis did you keep

0:13:13dropping all these bombs that that we

0:13:15don't understand what they mean and it's

0:13:17tennis and Ravenwood and the Lost Ark if

0:13:20you watch that scene you look at just

0:13:22look at harrison ford and denim Elliot

0:13:25looking at each other as these guys are

0:13:27reading this dialogue it's amazing

0:13:29because they are they are basically

0:13:31underlining all the things that are

0:13:33important in that scene with just their

0:13:36eyes glancing at each other because you

0:13:38know that these two guys and you get the

0:13:39sense immediately these guys really know

0:13:41what they're doing

0:13:42Tanis development preceding choir

0:13:46headpiece staff of raw Abner Ravenwood

0:13:51us Nazis of discovered tunis just what

0:13:55does that mean to you panic

0:13:56well city of tennis is one of the

0:13:59possible resting places of the Lost Ark

0:14:01the Lost Ark of the Covenant the chest

0:14:05the Hebrews used to carry around the 10

0:14:06commandments anybody making managed to

0:14:08let the Ten Commandments is the actual

0:14:11Ten Commandments the original stone

0:14:13tablets that Moses brought down out of

0:14:15Monterra and smashed if you believe in

0:14:16that sort of thing you guys ever going

0:14:19to send a spoon

0:14:20however an Egyptian pharaoh mission yes

0:14:23invaded the city of Jerusalem run about

0:14:24980 BC may have taken the artifact the

0:14:27city of tennis and hidden in a secret

0:14:30chamber Holy Well of Souls secret

0:14:33chamber however about a year after the

0:14:36affair would return to Egypt the city of

0:14:38tennis was consumed by the desert in a

0:14:41sandstorm which lasted a whole year like

0:14:45clean by the rules of obviously we've

0:14:51come to the right man I i would argue

0:14:53that might be the best plot explication

0:14:55scene ever I know they're unaware

0:14:57they're rolling out that entire plot

0:14:59with all that backstory and it's

0:15:01gripping and one of the reasons i think

0:15:03it is just because Harrison Ford and

0:15:05denim Elliot are looking at each other

0:15:07and you you realize you're not just

0:15:09watching a download here you're watching

0:15:11really smart people understand what's

0:15:14important in the download right and the

0:15:16whole thing and it play it also yeah

0:15:17it's a great acting you know it's a

0:15:20great cast great great scene it's even

0:15:22in a beautiful room just that big big

0:15:24huge wake up on a stage

0:15:27yeah it's like a giant lecture hall or

0:15:29something they really make any sense

0:15:30that they have the meeting there but

0:15:31it's great and then there's that there's

0:15:33a blackboard though and you can use it

0:15:34to diagram and you kind of it also gives

0:15:37you a better feeling for Indiana Jones

0:15:40as a professor because instead of being

0:15:42in the middle of some boring lecture is

0:15:44not really even into all of a sudden

0:15:46this is when he's really into it you

0:15:47know and this is his research right like

0:15:50and we're his class we the audience get

0:15:52to be his class and he's telling us

0:15:53exactly what we need to know it is it's

0:15:55it's a great explanation and it's sort

0:15:57of like that the old a

0:15:59adage about how to give a presentation

0:16:00tell people what you're going to tell

0:16:02them tell them and then tell them what

0:16:04you told them

0:16:04indian Marcus they interrupt each other

0:16:06down and and talk over each other and

0:16:09finish each others sentences and it's

0:16:10done in a way that brilliantly by I i

0:16:13guess i should say by Lawrence Kasdan I

0:16:15wrote the screenplay and then and by the

0:16:17actors in performing the scene you're

0:16:19informed about their entire relationship

0:16:20really in that scene based on what they

0:16:24do that you know Marcus knows as much as

0:16:26indie does and he's very enthusiastic

0:16:29Marcus is happy to let him because he's

0:16:31back at the college now india's roaming

0:16:33around he's happy to let him finish and

0:16:35tell the story because he's so

0:16:36enthusiastic about it it says so much

0:16:38about those characters just in the way

0:16:40they interact and something else i

0:16:41noticed about it is it sets up Indy as

0:16:45as a non-believer because this is a

0:16:47movie about a religious artifact and at

0:16:50several points the the government men

0:16:52talked about it and talked about the ten

0:16:54commandments and andy says if you

0:16:56believe that sort of thing and it's very

0:16:58clear from the stuff that he says her

0:17:00throughout throughout the movie even

0:17:02leading up to the to the end where the

0:17:05breath of God is made manifest is that

0:17:07he doesn't really believe in that stuff

0:17:09he sort of in it because the stuff is

0:17:10old and valuable and cool and not

0:17:13because of the religious significance it

0:17:15sort of doesn't mean anything to him

0:17:16which is interesting given what ends up

0:17:18happening and it is also good it's you

0:17:21know if part part screenplay part acting

0:17:23part direction it's all of it all the

0:17:25way that movies are all those things

0:17:27combined is the way that their

0:17:28conversation between each other with the

0:17:30interrupting is clearly that they are

0:17:32both experts and they respect each other

0:17:34right and when they're talking to each

0:17:36other they're not really there they know

0:17:38that they're talking over the other two

0:17:39guys heads and when they talk to the

0:17:41government guys there they're talking

0:17:43down to them not necessarily

0:17:44dismissively but we know you guys are

0:17:46idiots but that's helpful to us the

0:17:47audience because we're that we don't

0:17:49know this stuff either

0:17:50the other thing too about that scene is

0:17:52I've always thought that it it just the

0:17:54whole thing seems totally credible like

0:17:56like duh

0:17:57didn't you ever learn this in in bible

0:17:58school but you know the headpiece to the

0:18:00staff of raw and and all this stuff it

0:18:02all seemed you know you know the Ark of

0:18:04the Covenant is an actual

0:18:06biblical artifact but then all the other

0:18:08stuff to me and all all seems totally

0:18:10real like it gets to buy into the entire

0:18:12premise right that somebody ought to be

0:18:14able to actually do this somebody if if

0:18:16somebody actually discovered Tanis they

0:18:19should they should be able to find the

0:18:20map room and if they had the headpiece

0:18:22to the staff of raw they could they

0:18:25could find the Ark of the Covenant and

0:18:26and you know the elements that are there

0:18:28of the supernatural I think are so well

0:18:31played in terms of being at least up

0:18:33until the very last scene they're very

0:18:35subtle and I think that's yeah I prior

0:18:38to the very last scene i think the only

0:18:40indication you get is that one scene of

0:18:42the arc on the interest in the hold of

0:18:44the boat where it with the rat where

0:18:48it's like robbing or whatever and you

0:18:49see the rap like getting pushed away and

0:18:51then they see the Nazi symbol like

0:18:52burned off of it later but although

0:18:54thatthat's just these little touches

0:18:56that like it's still not mean that's the

0:18:58part where you start thinking okay this

0:19:00is you know a little bit more out there

0:19:01but up until that point everything does

0:19:03seem very well we like India are very oh

0:19:05this is just you know in a valuable and

0:19:08artifact that we'd like to have that's

0:19:11written that I agree and it's part of

0:19:13the story it's part of what makes it

0:19:14great and and there's yeah it gives it a

0:19:16sort of why are they even why they've

0:19:18been going through all this before you

0:19:19know it is quit is a cool artifact is it

0:19:22worth it to go through all this there is

0:19:24another scene where I'm the lock is I

0:19:28guess romancing romancing Marion in the

0:19:32tent where he talks about the ark as an

0:19:35artifact and i was i was tuned into it

0:19:38because then all of a sudden he sort of

0:19:39like shift gears and starts to say oh

0:19:42and no army can be defeated if it's got

0:19:44the arc in front of it because it's got

0:19:46the power of God which always seemed

0:19:47very strange to me because I other than

0:19:50that seen Belloc seems to be completely

0:19:52mercenary although you know I guess at

0:19:54the end when it's revealed that he too

0:19:56has this hope that it's religiously

0:19:58powerful but only because he can use it

0:20:00for his own purposes so he sort of more

0:20:02of a believer than indy but much more

0:20:04cynical about it than India's well he's

0:20:06very advantageous to and we see that in

0:20:08the very first scene with him to write

0:20:09where he gets the idol and he takes it

0:20:11and use it to basically tell all the

0:20:14name is it you have to go after it

0:20:17go after indie and so I think there's

0:20:18clearly an idea that like in these kind

0:20:21of in this for you know knowledge for

0:20:23for his own sort of curiosity where as

0:20:26bella is really interested in in getting

0:20:29power and I think that I mean it's again

0:20:31it's kind of summer but it sets up

0:20:32blocks character perfectly like when we

0:20:35see him in that last scene why is he

0:20:36doing this well we can kind of

0:20:37understand that like this you know we've

0:20:39sort of seen his behavior in this in

0:20:41this example before there's a great

0:20:43scene between Bella candy that when they

0:20:45really are there in the cafe in cairo

0:20:47yeah and right and Andy thanks Marion is

0:20:51dead and he's been drinking and he's

0:20:52basically gonna it ended

0:20:54he's like willing to go out in a hail of

0:20:56gunfire and what is what struck me about

0:20:58it and watching it again is that it

0:21:00could have been written so badly and it

0:21:02isn't unlocked is your typical sort of

0:21:04villain speech of we are so alike you

0:21:07and I ND and you would take very little

0:21:09to make you like me and the the wrong

0:21:11way to write that scene is to have it

0:21:13mean I'll never be like you and you

0:21:14don't understand and you and I have very

0:21:16much alike ecology is our invention that

0:21:22we have both fallen from the pure faith

0:21:24methods are not different as much as you

0:21:27pretend I'm a shadowy reflection of you

0:21:33don't take on a nudge to make you like

0:21:35me to push you out of the life now you

0:21:38get nest you know it's a nice look at

0:21:45this it's worthless

0:21:48ten dollars from a vendor in the street

0:21:51but i think it and buried in the sand

0:21:53for a thousand years it becomes

0:21:54priceless black the armed men will

0:21:58comfort you and me I think though I

0:22:03think that part of it too and i agree

0:22:05that you know and and that happened

0:22:07hundreds of movies before and hundreds

0:22:09after the the you know we're not that

0:22:11you know there are two sides of the same

0:22:13coin speech from the bad guy to the UK i

0:22:15think it's cool in that 10 because it

0:22:17act i think it actually is sort of true

0:22:19well there's that too right that he

0:22:22doesn't he doesn't respond and he

0:22:24doesn't deny it right it actually is

0:22:27true because and that's one of the

0:22:28things in a lot of these movies of of

0:22:30that John you know Star Wars is one of

0:22:32them to what yeah but where there's

0:22:34multiple bad guys it's not just one dr.

0:22:37evil guy at the head and a bunch of

0:22:39no-name of Stormtroopers underneath

0:22:41there's a couple of bad guys so you've

0:22:42got taught you know the Nazi with the

0:22:45burned hand who's sort of the boogeyman

0:22:47bad guy like there's really just

0:22:49irredeemable I mean he's just sort of

0:22:51like an evil evil guy who's you know

0:22:53willing to burn people's faces and and

0:22:56stuff right don't wanna buy you some

0:22:58wine and truly are pretty travel and

0:23:01he's lazy he's yeah he's not well he's

0:23:04are scrupulous but he's not evil right

0:23:06and these obsessed most with getting

0:23:09these artifacts and that's sort of

0:23:11indiana jones' thing too is it's just in

0:23:13it to get the artifacts you know and

0:23:15like you said he's not really a believer

0:23:16he doesn't really care it doesn't even

0:23:18really it never really seems to even

0:23:19cross his mind about what if the are

0:23:21really is what legend says that it is he

0:23:24just wants it in fact they ask you know

0:23:26you're going to give it to Hitler and

0:23:27he's like well eventually but like he's

0:23:30going to take it for himself and i'm

0:23:31hitler you know I'll deal with it later

0:23:34what about your boss their fear I

0:23:37thought he was waiting to take position

0:23:41all in good time when I'm finished and i

0:23:45love that India's willing I mean like

0:23:47not only he not only are they not that

0:23:49different in some ways but you know in

0:23:51these response in that in that scene in

0:23:52the cafe is basically like i am going to

0:23:55kill you and and you know they're gonna

0:23:57kill me so let's just do this right like

0:23:59that's not exactly what you expect your

0:24:02good guy to do right left

0:24:04I mean and i love that line that that

0:24:06line about you know he says Jones do you

0:24:09realize what the art is it's time to me

0:24:12that it's a radio for speaking to God

0:24:16and it's within my reach you want to

0:24:21talk to God

0:24:24let's go see them together I've got

0:24:26nothing it's just I just love the way he

0:24:35drives at home like you know what I got

0:24:37I have nothing left you know you

0:24:38basically taken away everything so I

0:24:41don't have it handy I should have

0:24:43probably but somebody could probably

0:24:45google it I don't remember who wrote it

0:24:47but somebody wrote a blog post i think

0:24:49it was in the last two years might have

0:24:51been too much which who writes at a good

0:24:54filmmaking weblog just analyzing that

0:24:58scene and the editing the camera angles

0:25:01and and when they cut and what you see

0:25:03of that cafe where you know Andy thanks

0:25:06Mary instead and he meets Belloc and

0:25:08he's rescued by solace kids and it is

0:25:11it's you know and he just goes through

0:25:13shot by you know like like sort of like

0:25:14Woody versus going you can just go

0:25:16through shot-by-shot and it's just one

0:25:18set up after another and it's just

0:25:20perfect the next the next scene after

0:25:22there are no throwaway that's one of the

0:25:24things about writers there's no

0:25:25throwaway scenes every scene has

0:25:27something that you can talk about yes

0:25:29sure I actually noticed something when I

0:25:30was watching it i watch some of it on

0:25:32the bus coming into work this morning

0:25:34that I'm there are these scenes that

0:25:35scene is set up by the scenes of the the

0:25:38guys that sort of Nazis in their suits

0:25:41blocking some alleyways that leads to

0:25:44the whole basket chase and all of that

0:25:46right and you know there aren't very

0:25:47many of them and it's sort of unclear

0:25:49there's not a lot of detail about who

0:25:51they are it doesn't really matter you

0:25:52know that there's a guy with the eye

0:25:54patch and their the Nazis in the suits

0:25:56and then they were there they're walking

0:25:58down the corridor and you know that

0:25:59essentially it's going to corner Indian

0:26:02marion and lead into this entire section

0:26:04of the movie and it's it's so economical

0:26:06and it's all it's all necessary stuff to

0:26:10drive it along and and the scene where

0:26:12the where we're solid sort of cheering

0:26:14indie up and it and explain about the

0:26:17the headpiece where the monkey is is

0:26:20eating the poison dates and dying that

0:26:22scene is has a lot of amazing shots

0:26:24including that last scene which is

0:26:25almost like the requiem for the monkey

0:26:27which is shot from above the ceiling

0:26:29looking through the fan down to the dead

0:26:31monkey with its hand open and the date

0:26:33on the floor it's like you know that

0:26:35scene isn't so vital that it needs

0:26:37did and an amazing piece of of setup and

0:26:41yet it's amazing anyway it didn't need

0:26:43to be amazing but it is just a monkey

0:26:45right every scene stands is like a

0:26:47little short film great i wanted to

0:26:50bring up Karen Allen allowed because one

0:26:54of the things that's really interesting

0:26:54about the next two movies and and of

0:26:57course they ended up bringing your path

0:26:58for but for the Crystal Skull is the

0:27:01next two movies i feel like and i think

0:27:03there was I think there was a falling

0:27:04out or something where they where she

0:27:05wanted more money or they have this

0:27:07famous lesions fieldwork I think didn't

0:27:09get along or something yeah because boy

0:27:11those next to movies seem desperate to

0:27:14try and find a way to replace her and I

0:27:15don't think they do I think they fail

0:27:17and I think that they're weaker in some

0:27:19ways specifically because Marion isn't

0:27:22in I think you're right she's so great

0:27:24but at the same time yet they can't find

0:27:25a worthy file right so in in Temple of

0:27:27Doom we have cake tap shah which who is

0:27:30probably stands alone is one of the

0:27:32worst just I that she is just terrible

0:27:34in that movie which is which is

0:27:35unfortunate but i always thought last

0:27:38crusade did a fascinating twists on that

0:27:40which is in that you have the the

0:27:42character of Ilsa

0:27:43whoo-hoo turns out of course to be evil

0:27:45and in fact dies at the end of the film

0:27:48which is kind of just this fascinating

0:27:50like you know it's like you know I John

0:27:53reference the bond movies earlier and

0:27:54bond movies kind of usually have this

0:27:56formula of there is usually the bad

0:27:57woman a good woman and then good woman

0:28:00that's really kind of insignificant and

0:28:02I thought it was just it was such a

0:28:03fascinating set up to have this woman

0:28:06who you can think of

0:28:08she'll get redeemed right because she

0:28:10she gives indie up to the Nazis as well

0:28:12as dad and in the end she really doesn't

0:28:15and kind of only serves as like a

0:28:17character lesson for indy in terms of

0:28:20you know not not getting obsessed but

0:28:23you're right that Karen Allen I think as

0:28:25Sir Marion is the de facto you know

0:28:28she's I know if you want a soul mate but

0:28:31like I think that's the idea of bringing

0:28:32her back in the fourth one was that they

0:28:35had a report in a chemistry that that

0:28:37was totally unmatched by anything that

0:28:39we saw and it was a really original

0:28:40thinking and casting I mean I think it's

0:28:42half half Princess Leia and then

0:28:45half making it even better so with with

0:28:49Princess Leia you've got this character

0:28:52who is sarcastic sassy uses a gun you

0:28:57know now on the other hand she's still a

0:28:59princess

0:29:00you know I still think that's sort of in

0:29:02hindsight sort of a goofy thing you know

0:29:03that you know you gotta rescue the

0:29:05princess it's like little a little corny

0:29:07but you know the way that the carrie

0:29:09fisher character is not what you think

0:29:11of as a sci-fi princess at all at least

0:29:13pre Star Wars know if it's lucas did

0:29:16that movie now she would have been like

0:29:17the undersecretary for agriculture right

0:29:20between unions as good as she gets right

0:29:22you know she's like he keeps up with

0:29:24guys right she's not a tough but she's

0:29:26not quite as much of a tough chick is

0:29:28Karen Allen is but she's right yeah

0:29:29Karen Allen has the same you know that

0:29:33the she's not demure you know she's not

0:29:36a shrinking violet she's not there to be

0:29:38rescued now and and then exist you know

0:29:39think think exactly like what's-her-name

0:29:42and temple of doom

0:29:43kay-kay capture capture right Kate

0:29:46Capshaw where Kate Capshaw's you know is

0:29:48that to me is actually the obvious way

0:29:50to do it where you've got this woman

0:29:52who's completely helpless and I know

0:29:54that they played it for comedy and and

0:29:56you know that you couldn't do anything

0:29:57and she was worried about breaking her

0:29:58nails and you have to stick her hand and

0:30:00the bugs and all this stuff and she was

0:30:02scared of all this but that's the the

0:30:05more obvious way to do it you know that

0:30:07that the the woman is real girly and

0:30:10needs to be rescued and you know the man

0:30:13is the guy who does everything Karen

0:30:14Allen is total opposite and then you

0:30:16take it to the other instead of being a

0:30:17princess she's she's really in desperate

0:30:20straight to the beginning of the movie

0:30:21she's living in Nepal running a bar

0:30:24running a boring her money by i'm having

0:30:27a drinking contest right she's in a

0:30:29dirty ball barn apology don't have

0:30:31enough money to get back to the United

0:30:33States and

0:30:34and you know as you know severe when

0:30:36she's drunk she's drinking big guys

0:30:37under the table right through which I

0:30:38mean what it what a welcome for your

0:30:40heroine right right right and just you

0:30:43know and just the whole way that I

0:30:44honestly it's probably my favorite scene

0:30:47in the whole I don't know it's hard for

0:30:48me to pick a favorite thing i love the

0:30:49movie so much but the one that I can

0:30:51recite every line from his is taught

0:30:54coming tom is his henchmen coming into

0:30:56the bar

0:30:57good evening for line the bars closed

0:31:01here we have not testy when you want the

0:31:08same thing your friend dr. Jones wanted

0:31:10Shirley told you there would be as

0:31:13interested parties must have slipped his

0:31:17mind

0:31:17the man is the various I hope for your

0:31:23sake he is not eating planet

0:31:25why are you willing to offer more almost

0:31:29certainly

0:31:31but she's so you know it is not it

0:31:36you know who who who is the woman like

0:31:38that movie before you know it's like

0:31:40nobody I mean there were tough women out

0:31:42there were some great characters played

0:31:43in the old war movies which clearly

0:31:45Raiders withdrawing from great

0:31:47absolutely not just from the serials but

0:31:49it drew from those new war movies you

0:31:52know with the Bogart and Bacall I mean

0:31:55there's definitely a lot of lauren

0:31:56bacall oh absolutely Aryan but those

0:31:59those movies from like the forties and

0:32:01fifties they were they were head you

0:32:04know they couldn't they couldn't push it

0:32:05that far in terms of what could a woman

0:32:07do you could not seen in the bar with

0:32:09Indian and Karen Allen gonna be bogart

0:32:12and bacall oh absolutely no internet

0:32:14practically the models right out to have

0:32:16and have-nots and you know even the way

0:32:18it's lit and it now its color not black

0:32:20and white but it's it's almost

0:32:21monochrome with those real warm tones

0:32:25from you know where all the light is

0:32:26from actual like fire like a fireplace

0:32:28and right handle and it's all and it's

0:32:29all shadows and the shadows throughout

0:32:31this movie I mean it's one it's like the

0:32:33look for the shadows the next time you

0:32:35watch it its it's hilarious this movie

0:32:37is all shadows but in that scene that's

0:32:40where the shadows of the most obvious

0:32:41india shadow when he walks in during the

0:32:44gunfight ensues people shot with in

0:32:46shadow just their silhouette is getting

0:32:48shot just amazing the lighting in there

0:32:49i'm not even i'm not really a great

0:32:51visualizer of things just close my eyes

0:32:54and imagine what it would look like but

0:32:55I I can you can actually it's easy you

0:32:57can just imagine that scene in black and

0:32:59white

0:32:59oh yeah I can you know 1940 start over

0:33:02right that's my favorite scene and it's

0:33:05not because it's the one and it's it

0:33:07they do such a good job with the

0:33:09introductions of all the characters you

0:33:11know like you said like at the very

0:33:12beginning of the movie when you're

0:33:13introduced to indiana jones and it's

0:33:14this long the serious tease

0:33:16well here's your introduction Marion

0:33:18first the drinking contest then you know

0:33:20the Nazis come together and she's not

0:33:21afraid she's not afraid until they've

0:33:23actually got a red-hot poker about to

0:33:25Scarface up and it's a great

0:33:28introduction but she's just she's not

0:33:30what you expect is the heroine in action

0:33:32movie

0:33:32absolutely not and even casting wise

0:33:35she's she doesn't look like you know

0:33:37it's not the is she's not that she's not

0:33:39an attractive woman but she's not like a

0:33:41bombshell she's not the

0:33:43however that woman as you play Elsa and

0:33:45in the third movie poor allison duty who

0:33:48never never really did anything else

0:33:49right

0:33:50you know she just doesn't even look the

0:33:52part in another way that they subvert

0:33:54the whole the whole heroin hero

0:33:57relationship is you mentioned you know

0:33:59she's not your usual kind of heroin

0:34:01where you gotta rescue her and all that

0:34:02but there is in fact the scene in the

0:34:04desert where indie comes into the tent

0:34:06discover she's alive it's great here to

0:34:08rescue her of it and again he doesn't

0:34:10rescue realize our backup think thinks

0:34:13better of it ties her back up there

0:34:14doesn't it puts his blade away puts the

0:34:17gag back on her and says I'll see you

0:34:19later and leaves her and then of course

0:34:20she's almost you know tortured again i'm

0:34:23at after that so it which is it's just

0:34:25amazing it's like what am I watching

0:34:27here the hero is found found the girl he

0:34:29can rescue where he's like but doesn't

0:34:31that is so we battle without the whole

0:34:33the whole thing with with indie right is

0:34:35that even though he's set up to be our

0:34:38hero think about like you know if you

0:34:40look at his track record right like in

0:34:42the movie he doesn't do such a good job

0:34:45right he makes it all the way through

0:34:46the damn temple and then you know Belloc

0:34:48takes the thing away from him he's

0:34:50scared of the snake in the cockpit you

0:34:52know like he's constantly doing these

0:34:54things which are probably not like you

0:34:56know the real is like crack the Well of

0:34:58Souls they crack the Well of Souls is

0:34:59this great moments like me haha we've

0:35:01got Hitler and then it gets kinda looks

0:35:02down he's like oh well nobody's ever

0:35:04seen when they open up his neck so the

0:35:06the the atomistic comes out its like the

0:35:08this hasn't been opened since biblical

0:35:10times and he looks down he's like how

0:35:13snakes right it's like completely I mean

0:35:15and I think this again about like the

0:35:16scene

0:35:17another great scene i think is that

0:35:19scene where he has a boxing match with

0:35:22the big huge Germany I it was going to

0:35:24get scrapped but basically does frequent

0:35:26you know it kind of like you see him

0:35:27going into it like sighing like a man i

0:35:30just gonna I'm not gonna win this one

0:35:32any punches the guy right like once and

0:35:34like purses and you know and I mean I

0:35:37think in some ways he's kind of the only

0:35:39the only other film character i can

0:35:41think who takes that level of abuses

0:35:42like John McClane in the die hard movies

0:35:44with the yoga's we have this great like

0:35:4715 minutes

0:35:48chase scene which is just a

0:35:50fantastically shot chasing where he's

0:35:52all of you know jump and run over the

0:35:53trucks and getting dragged behind the

0:35:55trucks and everything and I

0:35:57yeah i think what's great is that you

0:35:58know he's he's kind of indestructible

0:36:00yes to that certain extent in the way

0:36:02that that all good action heroes are but

0:36:05he doesn't it's not all about him just

0:36:07like beating the crap out of everybody

0:36:09right like he got he shows the we're

0:36:11right you should run out of the car he

0:36:14gets punched by a bunch of Germans he

0:36:16gets dragged behind the car for a while

0:36:17I mean he really has hit points don't

0:36:19come back

0:36:21exactly and I mean I love and that of

0:36:23course is the setup for that great line

0:36:25in the scene with Marion it's not the

0:36:27years it's the mileage which is just you

0:36:30know I think one of those years sums up

0:36:33Indiana Jones kind of in a nutshell i

0:36:35love Raiders so much more than the other

0:36:37movies and I just don't think they

0:36:38really stand up that much what but there

0:36:40is some stuff that I like about them and

0:36:41I do think they sort of have like an

0:36:43interesting arc 11 interesting aspect of

0:36:46it is this angle that he doesn't get

0:36:47what he never gets what he's actually

0:36:49after until Raiders because and it's not

0:36:53obvious it's only after like read the

0:36:55actual you know thing at the bottom that

0:36:58the beginning of the movie but Temple of

0:36:59Doom is a prequel not a sequel right

0:37:01takes place a year before Raiders and he

0:37:03doesn't get it doesn't end up with those

0:37:06stones either you know he never comes

0:37:08back with what he's looking for the main

0:37:11thing I mean I guess he could have kept

0:37:13the stones but he gave it back to the

0:37:14the villagers or whatever and then you

0:37:17know he's in Raiders and he goes after

0:37:19that I'll at the beginning and blocks

0:37:20steals it and then he doesn't get to

0:37:23keep the ark the government takes it

0:37:25away but it's like that's that he went

0:37:27and got it for them you know they kind

0:37:29of had it in writing get to keep it but

0:37:30they got it is like what redeemed him

0:37:32and then the next movie it doesn't get

0:37:34too greatly there and again no no not

0:37:37really no it was an open with the

0:37:38granite rocks at the beginning Ross and

0:37:41then he when he gets back home and then

0:37:43then he has this line races to Marcus I

0:37:45got it Marcus

0:37:46I got it it's like now because of

0:37:48raiders he's a guy who gets the things

0:37:50he's after right and then the lesson of

0:37:53of two of that movie is supposed to be

0:37:55you know where he is dad says let it go

0:37:58you know that there's it you know the

0:38:00lesson is there some things that are

0:38:01more important than getting

0:38:03the thing I mean presumably if he hadn't

0:38:05listened to his father he would have

0:38:07slipped and fallen into the crevice to

0:38:09bike by trying to reach that that grill

0:38:11that was like a fingertip away but I you

0:38:14know but i had to me the more telling

0:38:16part is that he got that cross he was

0:38:17after in the opening adventure and he

0:38:19doesn't get the the one that he doesn't

0:38:21get the diamond that he was after he

0:38:23doesn't get the idol doesn't get the art

0:38:26but now he gets the cross so I you know

0:38:28that's interesting you mentioned the

0:38:30that he doesn't get the ark me and the

0:38:32government gets it and of course there's

0:38:34the famous scene at the end with the

0:38:36with the warehouse which is one of my

0:38:38favorite things in any movie maybe the

0:38:42best ending to any movie ever

0:38:43yeah uh it's it's okay this is it really

0:38:46is the best I mean it's just

0:38:47unbelievably good next time you watch it

0:38:50they look look at that again this we're

0:38:51going to come back to that seen with

0:38:52with Harrison Ford and gentlemen Elliot

0:38:54up on that stage talking to the

0:38:56government men at the beginning and I

0:38:58think it's actually right after that the

0:38:59government and leaving their they're

0:39:00toasting their success at at somebody's

0:39:03house in these are or for Marcus's i'm

0:39:06not sure which and there's a moment

0:39:08where andy says you know and they said

0:39:12would they said the university gets it

0:39:14the museum gets it when they're done

0:39:16with it the ark and one of the great

0:39:19moments i think really well played by

0:39:22denim Elliot is he sort of make some

0:39:25noise and goes of course and i look at

0:39:29that scene and I think he knows that

0:39:31there's no way the government's going to

0:39:33let them keep it and he's kinda lying to

0:39:35indy I think I think he's just sort of

0:39:37like stringing him along and saying I

0:39:38don't want to break this guy's heart but

0:39:40what are the chances that the government

0:39:41is really going to let us have it and of

0:39:42course they don't

0:39:43at the end it goes in the it goes in the

0:39:45box is being studied by top men top men

0:39:49yeah such a great ending all that exists

0:39:51that your hero has succeeded and it's

0:39:54hard home MacGuffin and and and then it

0:39:58gets put in a box to never be spotted

0:40:00again extend till they make a fourth

0:40:02movie that has an entire scene set in

0:40:04the heart Harrower Howard's line reading

0:40:06on that is is so good and when you need

0:40:08to says who

0:40:10your country a great service and we

0:40:14trust you found the settlement

0:40:16satisfactory for the money situation is

0:40:19totally unacceptable gentlemen I guess

0:40:21that just about wraps it up

0:40:23where is the arch I thought we settled

0:40:27that the r is somewhere very safe remove

0:40:32the r is a source of unspeakable power

0:40:35and it has to be researched and it will

0:40:38be assure you dr. Brody back to Jones we

0:40:42have top men working on it right now

0:40:49top men you know began its spoken by a

0:40:53guy who knows the top men

0:40:56yeah right like if I'm not right like

0:40:58who you raise it

0:40:59there's a certainty to that that the

0:41:02only guy who actually is a top man who

0:41:05top men it's it's just I mean I I think

0:41:11about that was thinking about that

0:41:11earlier in terms of just overall from

0:41:15the first and we talk to you know we

0:41:17mentioned several times there are no

0:41:18super flu shots in this movie but I

0:41:20really think from the first shot you

0:41:23know as the paramount logo basically

0:41:26gets like cross faded into you know that

0:41:29mountain all the way up to the warehouse

0:41:32shot at the end like I mean there are

0:41:34few movies that have both such an iconic

0:41:36opening and an iconic closing and that

0:41:40really from start to finish are just all

0:41:42like a plus perfect like shots

0:41:50so we can't can't go

0:41:59we haven't mentioned the music at all oh

0:42:01yeah did you were listening earlier to

0:42:03die in fact I listened to the entire

0:42:04score today just to just to get in the

0:42:06right lane and I was thinking about it

0:42:07because it occurred to me at one point

0:42:08that i actually thought I'd there's a

0:42:12queue in another film score by james

0:42:15horner which i think is is almost

0:42:17clearly an homage to the Williams score

0:42:20in the scene where at the very end of

0:42:23the scene with the ark there's this

0:42:25great like dissonant like you see all

0:42:27the spirits coming out of the ark and

0:42:29then in one of them comes right up to

0:42:31the camera and then you see it basically

0:42:33turn into this horrific ghost and the

0:42:36music turns all discordant and very

0:42:38jarring almost almost reminiscent of the

0:42:40the psycho theme by bernard herrmann yet

0:42:50[Music]

0:42:56and I think that James Horner actually

0:42:59has a scene in the movie The Rocketeer

0:43:02there is the score to that which also

0:43:04involves Nazi Zeppelin lose everyone and

0:43:08which a Timothy Dalton villain why

0:43:10jetpacks away and then he blows up or

0:43:12something and I think that there's a

0:43:13scene that looks own very much in the

0:43:15shot of it like he's coming right at the

0:43:17camera and then you seem sort of turn

0:43:19all horrified as you realize he's not

0:43:21going to get away and it blows up in the

0:43:22music changes and I think that movie

0:43:24actually if i recall was also directed

0:43:26by a Joe Johnston who I think was

0:43:29Spielberg's second unit director on a

0:43:31lot of stuff i remember if he worked on

0:43:33Raiders as well but dan must everything

0:43:35come back to the rocketeer with you

0:43:37not everything but many is it is a great

0:43:42score it is end and I i hate to keep

0:43:46saying the word economical but but the

0:43:48core of it it does a lot of different

0:43:50things but that core theme medium just

0:43:52think that's famous is is great but

0:43:54there's a lot of other great stuff

0:43:55oh the Ark theme Marion's theme I mean

0:43:58it's you know it is advised with the

0:44:01Star Wars movies as Williams best score

0:44:04i think of all time probably I think I

0:44:06liked it better than the star wars

0:44:07scores don't say that stuff on it it's

0:44:11really you know it's it's I would say

0:44:13they're on par with each other they're

0:44:15so perfect i think that they really help

0:44:18especially in these movies with they

0:44:21just feel so right and they're so just

0:44:24just emotionally on cue that they make

0:44:28the preposterous feel more real right

0:44:31it's somehow the way that's the star

0:44:34wars the end Star Wars is clearly the

0:44:35more out there scenario i mean the whole

0:44:37thing is you know laser guns in outer

0:44:39space and and stuff but it somehow makes

0:44:42this preposterous premise feel real and

0:44:46raiders is absolutely got that you know

0:44:48there's I don't know it's it's it's just

0:44:50a fantastic day and it's great perfect

0:44:54music and it's the best music of all

0:44:56four movies

0:44:57oh yes that's that that's a little true

0:44:59i mean i think in it from its a movie

0:45:01it's so good in the way that you can

0:45:04listen to it from start to finish just

0:45:06the score and have the entire it's like

0:45:08a story the whole thing is just

0:45:10laid out for you and I think it really

0:45:12all the q's do such a good job of

0:45:15reflecting the various moments I mean

0:45:18and punctuating them along with the

0:45:19scene changes i'm thinking particularly

0:45:21of the the scene towards the end where

0:45:24they are sorry in the round most second

0:45:27act is where he they get out of the well

0:45:29souls and solid comes up its appointed

0:45:31they're loading their loading it onto a

0:45:33truck and Harrison Ford goes what truck

0:45:36and then we have this cut into the into

0:45:38the beginning of the chase and that the

0:45:40queue there is just as its setting it up

0:45:42i think it's just perfect

0:45:44india and we have no time if you still

0:45:47want the rock is being loaded onto a

0:45:48truck for chiral from what truck

0:46:04and totally hear that same sort of

0:46:06change from this we've we've broken our

0:46:09way out of the well souls which has this

0:46:11very sort of creepy ominous music into

0:46:13this more fast-paced action music and I

0:46:16think you know William's manages to run

0:46:18pretty much the whole gamut from from

0:46:20romance to action and back again in in a

0:46:24fantastic score just great

0:46:26the the Ark theme gives me the creeps

0:46:28even now and the end it and it it

0:46:30doesn't even mean just the ark to me

0:46:32it's sort of like this kind of ancient

0:46:34scary old testament wrath of God kind of

0:46:38feeling like don't mess with this it's

0:46:40it would be bad right

0:46:42uh just it's not for people and it plays

0:46:45over solace lying about how perhaps the

0:46:48ark was not meant to be possessed by man

0:46:50it's like blue it's it's chilling and

0:46:54then of course there's the great

0:46:55playback in in a temple of doom where he

0:46:59sees a picture of the sets at last

0:47:02crusade always that last cruise in the

0:47:03catacombs I'll guess what it is yeah

0:47:05that's right yeah that was just for a

0:47:06moment

0:47:07yeah it was a great a great little bit

0:47:09what is that Ark of the Covenant only

0:47:11thing i don't like about it is that and

0:47:12they do the same thing in the when it

0:47:14goes by and that the crystal skull one

0:47:17right when they go by that box they play

0:47:20the same thing but both times it's cool

0:47:23because I recognize it and you get that

0:47:25thrill of being clever and a big enough

0:47:27fan to recognize the what's that called

0:47:30when they do that it comes from term

0:47:32comes from a motif

0:47:34yes a motif her you know and then and

0:47:37then there's an instant sadness where

0:47:38you think this movie sounds good

0:47:41yeah yeah there's only the one monkey

0:47:44and raiders of the lost ark as opposed

0:47:45to the tribe of swinging monkeys and the

0:47:47Crystal Skull I maintain that would have

0:47:49been a better movie if so like Sean

0:47:51Connery's characters afraid of rats

0:47:53Indiana Jones afraid of snakes if if

0:47:55Sheila boss character had been like

0:47:56deathly afraid of monkeys monkeys why'd

0:47:59it have to be monkeys like that that to

0:48:01me would have allowed that opportunity

0:48:03is all about let me tell you it would

0:48:05have taken it from a very very low

0:48:06rating to a slightly less low ready yeah

0:48:09and thank you for reminding me by the

0:48:11way that the last crusade has upland in

0:48:12it

0:48:13indeed of course at that that raises it

0:48:16in my estimation

0:48:17just there one of the things that's

0:48:19interesting about Raiders of the Lost

0:48:20Ark is that it was the highly promoted

0:48:23collaboration between Steven Spielberg

0:48:25and George Lucas George Lucas shares a

0:48:27story credit on raiders of the lost ark

0:48:29as well as a producer credit he didn't

0:48:31write the screenplay and this is back

0:48:33i'll say this is back in the days when

0:48:35you'd see George Lucas name in the

0:48:37credits and you'd be like you George

0:48:39Lucas as opposed to an hour it's more

0:48:41like a turtle focus but it's interesting

0:48:43that this was a collaboration between

0:48:45these two figures from the late

0:48:48seventies who had incredible success

0:48:49with blockbuster pictures and this this

0:48:52was I mean talk about you're setting

0:48:54yourself up for failure right i mean how

0:48:56much hype could you get for a movie that

0:48:58was like the return of the great

0:48:59adventure with the tagline and Steven

0:49:01Spielberg and George Lucas it's Star

0:49:03Wars Close Encounters jaws it all

0:49:05together in this one thing with Han Solo

0:49:07is the star right and you know how high

0:49:10the bar do you have to set and yet they

0:49:12they pulled it off in fact more more

0:49:15than perhaps they ever would again this

0:49:17one that they really did hit it out of

0:49:19the park in and whatever Lucas

0:49:20contributed to it you know it's it's a

0:49:23good contribution because this was a

0:49:24great collaboration and of course I

0:49:25think Lucas tried to block Harrison Ford

0:49:28i think at first because he was on

0:49:31Selleck for yes Tom Selleck impact

0:49:33screen-tested was it was almost the was

0:49:35almost heard it was almost Indian Jones

0:49:37I think Lucas didn't want to because he

0:49:39was already tied into Star Wars there

0:49:41like I'm a weekend getaway from that but

0:49:42I mean obviously it would have been a

0:49:44very different movie with Tom's epic I

0:49:46don't even know if it's true it's it

0:49:48i've never been able to find it actually

0:49:50attributed to and who knows maybe

0:49:51somebody else but there's a one of the

0:49:53quotes i have from stanley kubrick is a

0:49:55ninety-percent of directing is casting

0:49:57and I never been i don't even think I've

0:49:59so you can't it don't go around quoting

0:50:01him on that because i had maybe a

0:50:03pocketful but it rings true though that

0:50:05it's just the most important part of

0:50:08directing a movie is picking the right

0:50:10people for the rules

0:50:11well when you think about writers you

0:50:13you think about not only Harrison Ford

0:50:15and Karen Allen but John rhys-davies and

0:50:19denim Elliot I mean it has some great

0:50:21actors doing some some great work who

0:50:24plays Belloc I don't know the guys name

0:50:26Pope Paul Freeman paulina and he's great

0:50:29he hits it right

0:50:31right on going and as John said told the

0:50:33guy who plays tote who I cannot name for

0:50:36the life of me but is such a fantastic

0:50:38bad guy you know and that and you know

0:50:42there's anything you need to have a

0:50:43claymation character dies at the end but

0:50:45there's something to that whole you know

0:50:46even picking the another carrier the

0:50:50actors who are not necessarily a list

0:50:51names but are perfect for those those

0:50:53roles that are so important because it's

0:50:56so much you know they bring so much to a

0:50:58role which may only be a secondary role

0:51:00but it somehow became an iconic part

0:51:03nonetheless right well I'll say that

0:51:06i'll give that to last crusade is I

0:51:07think there was really good casting last

0:51:09crusade not just Sean Connery but even

0:51:11like Julian clever you know yeah there's

0:51:14some good

0:51:15there's some good actors and in that

0:51:16movie too is it here's another good

0:51:18thing to say about writer so whenever we

0:51:20go on three hours on this we may have to

0:51:21do a sequel

0:51:22I hope it's better than the raiders

0:51:24you'll never be as good I think you can

0:51:26argue that then Raiders and is that this

0:51:29this goes to the story from Lucas in the

0:51:31screenplay and it you know so credit to

0:51:33Lucas and and Larry Kasdan but yeah but

0:51:37the whole thing everybody is smart like

0:51:39there's no like the bad guy wit plot the

0:51:41bad guys don't do anything stupid and I

0:51:44can't you know I can't say how much that

0:51:46is unlike almost every other movie in

0:51:48the genre you know and and including the

0:51:50other movies in the Indiana junks series

0:51:52you know nobody ever does anything

0:51:53that's stupid and block it block is is a

0:51:56perfect example of it the lock never

0:51:59really does anything done Bieber quotes

0:52:01gene siskel I think about the about hit

0:52:03the complaint about the idiot plot which

0:52:05is if your plot has to require somebody

0:52:06to do something just outrageously stupid

0:52:09that they shouldn't do there's something

0:52:11wrong and I don't think I see that in

0:52:14Raiders I i agree with you

0:52:16alright the way that that Indiana Jones

0:52:18pursues the Ark is smart and you know

0:52:21sala is smart you know even you know a

0:52:23great example of that is is the the

0:52:26thing you said where when he first saw

0:52:28Marion didn't have thought she was dead

0:52:30here's it she's alive and then he thinks

0:52:33it through and realizes we can entire

0:52:35because they don't know is there right

0:52:38it's smart it's like he's you know

0:52:39they're I it's like that throughout the

0:52:42whole movie the only thing you could

0:52:44argue in

0:52:44is dumb it's not a character being dumb

0:52:48it's just like the only corner they

0:52:50painted themselves in story-wise is the

0:52:53house ND survive on top of the submarine

0:52:55uh-huh that's the one that a one-time in

0:52:59the whole movie that they painted

0:53:00themselves into a corner

0:53:02all they need to do is have a have a

0:53:03like you know I assume that there's an

0:53:05action scene that we don't see where he

0:53:07like overpowers the guy at the hatch and

0:53:09and tucks himself in under the hatch and

0:53:11there is there's a shot of that I think

0:53:14of the filming and but i think it may be

0:53:16of a scene that was cut in which he's

0:53:18holding onto the periscope and I can

0:53:21kind of see why they would cut that like

0:53:23he's he's standing on it over like on

0:53:25the water and holding onto the periscope

0:53:26i believe there may be a cutscene of

0:53:28that but yes I can i yeah that is one of

0:53:31the sort of like I'd rather an engine he

0:53:33fights his way just into the and hides

0:53:35in the in the sub maybe they never go

0:53:37underwater

0:53:38that was my thought you got a sub you

0:53:39got to take it down right i mean why do

0:53:41you were you the u-boat captain if you

0:53:42don't if you're not talking to us to

0:53:44vote which they actually say dive the

0:53:46u-boat well then here's the thing though

0:53:48they weren't they weren't at war yet

0:53:50worldwartwo is still years away so it

0:53:52wasn't like they needed to to submerge I

0:53:54think you can i don't know i don't i

0:53:56don't know what standard operating

0:53:57procedure is for a for a German sub in

0:54:001936 if they always out under if it's

0:54:02more taking the command to dive though

0:54:03they do injure in in the bad and i will

0:54:06say this the German somebody took high

0:54:08school and college German the Germans

0:54:10and greater speak high school and

0:54:12college camp it's not the best German

0:54:15and the Pali boy

0:54:17in the comic book app adaptation he and

0:54:22I you know who knows i think i think

0:54:24that the Marvel guys just got to do that

0:54:26on her own but they had him lashing

0:54:28himself to the periscope with his whip

0:54:29it could be from the screen player or I

0:54:32have some some some sketches that we're

0:54:35done that we're never shot right either

0:54:37the either that's either that's what

0:54:39we're supposed to believe in the comic

0:54:40book guys exposed force or the

0:54:41comic-book guys had the same

0:54:43conversation we're having right we got

0:54:44it we got to figure out some kind of way

0:54:46that he could be on top of a sub for a

0:54:48couple you know for this trip

0:54:50the the stupidity of villains and how

0:54:52and how we don't have a lot of that I

0:54:53that one of the things I like about how

0:54:54the movie ends is that in the end you

0:54:57know you don't defeat the villains

0:54:58because of their stupidity they defeat

0:55:00themselves really mean it and he doesn't

0:55:02win at the end what happens is that the

0:55:05not the evil of the Nazis and the greed

0:55:08of of the Nazis and a Belloc is what it

0:55:13destroys them right and and it is that

0:55:15fruit from steven spielberg you know

0:55:17Jewish filmmaker making a movie about

0:55:19Old Testament stories that starts out

0:55:22very with his hero being a non believer

0:55:24in the end that's sort of what happens

0:55:26at the end of this movie not to get all

0:55:28kinda highfalutin about it but in the

0:55:30end it's the it's the evil in their

0:55:33characters that that lose the day for

0:55:36them not something that our heroes

0:55:38goodness ducks right our heroes goodness

0:55:40is close your eyes right and ride it out

0:55:42right

0:55:43I like that and and I do think that's

0:55:45why it resonates so well and it's it is

0:55:47in fact what most action you know

0:55:50popcorn movies whatever you want to call

0:55:51them you know good guys versus bad guys

0:55:53movies implicitly want to argue that the

0:55:56good guys going to win because he's good

0:55:58and good wins over evil but plot-wise

0:56:01it's always the good guy wins because

0:56:03the bad guy does something stupid or

0:56:04foolish whereas this one it actually is

0:56:09the good guy wins simply because it you

0:56:11know it comes down to actually being

0:56:13good right it's this that right i mean

0:56:15because the Nazis them Nazis they get it

0:56:18right they get the ark they're ready

0:56:19they've sort of one right until that

0:56:21point they've taken into the secret

0:56:23island but they still pay the price

0:56:26so raise lost i guess we liked it i get

0:56:29a thumbs up

0:56:30well I want to thank both of you John

0:56:33and Dan for for joining me and we should

0:56:35do this again sometime this was a lot of

0:56:36fun we should have a second the second

0:56:38one we should be what we talked about

0:56:39everything that's wrong with the other

0:56:40Indiana Jones movies and that would be a

0:56:44sequel worthy of the original right I i

0:56:47would have to watch them again now but

0:56:49you can seriously you get a wet i think

0:56:50we spent like 20 seconds talk about

0:56:52what's wrong with raiders of the lost

0:56:53ark we could we could spend four hours

0:56:54talking about what's wrong with the

0:56:56other one

0:56:56you know I actually haven't seen temple

0:56:59of doom since i saw it like on VHS right

0:57:01when it came out on VHS after exercise

0:57:03in theory opening is good the open china

0:57:06is the first half minute opening I seem

0:57:08as happy and I talked about this on the

0:57:09phone this podcast last month that I've

0:57:11seen the opening on cable and up to the

0:57:12point which wich i said i love up to the

0:57:15point where they jump out of the plane

0:57:15yet it's actually great and I don't and

0:57:17there's that moment with a nice trial oj

0:57:19and then close the door and latch onto

0:57:20the plane right i love that and then

0:57:22they did when they jump out so I can you

0:57:24know that's an accurate yet you get the

0:57:26movie wednesday and Aykroyd not allow

0:57:28che but these the the no but he's the

0:57:30guy yeah the guy you like gets in the

0:57:32booking on the plane

0:57:33yeah i'm jumping out of that plane is it

0:57:36it is the quality of the whole series

0:57:39it used to be up here and I did right

0:57:42here as they're jumping out of the plane

0:57:43here

0:57:44Jericho circuits that and they pass a

0:57:47shark on the way that that's the crystal

0:57:49shark

0:57:50thank you thank you very much mr. screen

0:57:53pump yeah that was a lot of fun

0:57:54alright that's it

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0:58:19we didn't even get to the debate about

0:58:22who's better boba fett jango fett so

0:58:26we'll have to Jonas grouper argues that

0:58:29it's django right my son says you can't

0:58:31that's right he's got two guns who

0:58:34yeah that's a convincing argument I

0:58:36think nothing made me happier in in

0:58:38episode 2 then 3 a boba fett backpack

0:58:41rocket launcher go off which is a

0:58:44references that episode 2 right which is

0:58:46that in reference to the the recall

0:58:48that's the toy

0:58:49yeah because they went much shoots right

0:58:51that that class almost enough to make me

0:58:53like Jango Fett the best but I I'm i was

0:58:56born in the seventies so it's got to be

0:58:58boba focus the best you know what the

0:59:00universe is one thing I know we're

0:59:01talking indiana jones i was just

0:59:03watching empire strikes back with with

0:59:05my boy the other day and when Luke first

0:59:08gets to best been and he's you know Han

0:59:13Solo has already been frozen he's been

0:59:14wheeled away he's coming down the

0:59:16hallway Boba Fett is with those best

0:59:18regards and they've got on levitated

0:59:20there they're pushing him down the

0:59:21hallway

0:59:21Luke season duck's back weights and then

0:59:24he goes and boba fett notices you had

0:59:26you know never moved didn't turn his

0:59:28head but of course is both fat he knows

0:59:30that Luke Skywalker's down there he's

0:59:32there he's waiting he takes a shot at

0:59:33him and almost hit him almost shoots him

0:59:35right in the face it like hits the wall

0:59:37right next to his face

0:59:38imagine how this Darth Vader with a

0:59:40witness over that would not look at the

0:59:43face to go ahead and pay you for for

0:59:45Skywalker I paid you for solo right man

0:59:48got him

0:59:48it's just that all of the what if

0:59:50something had gone slightly there who's

0:59:52just imagine how pissed are faded set

0:59:54this whole thing out

0:59:55imagine of people with that she had Luke

0:59:58enough it's aight i assume you

0:59:58enough it's aight i assume you

1:00:00in the robot chicken star wars yes yeah

1:00:02John is that that that strikes me as

1:00:04being a bunch of guys who have gone

1:00:07through everyone if like all of us have

1:00:09in Star Wars and then and then it ended

1:00:11up animating them which is why i love

1:00:13those those two so much is because it is

1:00:16everything that I always ask myself Who

1:00:18how do the little black boxes on wheels

1:00:20get around and who's inside them and the

1:00:22answer is there's a there's a mouse with

1:00:24the flask of alcohol inside

1:00:26also I IRA had an idea for a short film

1:00:29called Vader and son here's the here's

1:00:32the pitch the pitch is it's it's Luke's

1:00:38Luke is let's say two years old what

1:00:41maybe one year always gotta be I get

1:00:42more like a baby so it'sit's soon after

1:00:44the the third movie ended right and and

1:00:49you see Vader he's in his little

1:00:50meditation chamber and he suddenly

1:00:53thinks about like let's and I still

1:00:55don't know what the quite the MacGuffin

1:00:56is but he thinks is something back home

1:00:58on Tatooine from his boyhood maybe it's

1:00:593pl right he decides to go as Darth

1:01:03Vader to tattooing to get Threepio and

1:01:06boom he finds Luke cut to something you

1:01:10know like and Peru saying as he's taken

1:01:12away like where's where's hope you want

1:01:14cut to the cantina and there's obi-wan

1:01:17he's just an alcoholic and that's how he

1:01:20knows that it's a wretched hive of scum

1:01:22and villainy is that ends up Toby well

1:01:24what we want to do that during those 20

1:01:26years right that's it that's what did

1:01:27you what did he do I say he was drinking

1:01:29right so Vader it takes Luke away and

1:01:33take them to the Emperor and the Emperor

1:01:35hold him he's a baby and says he can

1:01:39destroy me i have foreseen it right and

1:01:42then all the sudden spate babybaby

1:01:44Lupe's on the Emperor and while the

1:01:46Emperor's distracted Vader to cut them

1:01:48down and now Vader and rule the galaxy

1:01:51as father and son right and he's a

1:01:53little baby that that is the

1:01:55oscar-winning short all over it

1:01:57I think pixar were to do that so baby

1:02:01Luke isn't properly diapered now he's

1:02:04just Vader Vader obviously has no idea

1:02:06about how to be a father so he's just

1:02:08got a naked baby rhino diaper anything

1:02:10so that you can just spray right on the

1:02:11Emperor or maybe like it's like a bad

1:02:13sadly diaper diaper that falls down

1:02:15while the Emperor's holding like I

1:02:16imagine the Emperor holding I'm sorted

1:02:18by the pits like in front of them you

1:02:20know from what he doesn't know like

1:02:22chief of protocol of the Empire would be

1:02:24like Oh Emperor was just looking at the

1:02:26baby and he says that he can destroy me

1:02:28i have foreseen it and he does because

1:02:31it's while he's distracted better cut

1:02:33them down

1:02:35out of the mouths of babes not the

1:02:38mouths friend i drive-a kids I don't

1:02:42know how that works it could be it up on

1:02:45on on the Emperor to I just think there

1:02:47would be a great dad little hardcore

1:02:50certainly a lot of hardware be a lot of

1:02:52fun i think you have a lot of fun i mean

1:02:54yeah i probably pretty strict but need

1:02:58to be a lot of upside to it you have

1:03:00failed me for the last time you did not

1:03:03take out the garbage

1:03:05I find your lack of bathroom hygiene

1:03:07disturbing great look like imagine this

1:03:09imagine your looks right so now it's

1:03:11that happens when Lucas like what you

1:03:13know there's nine months old or

1:03:14something like that now you know couple

1:03:15years later Luke's in kindergarten now

1:03:17imagine your loops kindergarten teacher

1:03:19and later cums in a parent-teacher it's

1:03:23too much homework they shouldn't have

1:03:24homework in kindergarten right

1:03:29give them a little force around the neck

1:03:32it's an old Jedi mind trick

1:03:37this has been the incomparable podcast

1:03:44yes it is finally over there is exactly

1:03:48in comfortable dot-com

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