The Incomparable

5: Shakespeare is a Hack!

 

  comfortable [TS]

  September's well attended [TS]

  we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

  in the book club is back in session [TS]

  I'm Jason Snelling joining me today to [TS]

  discuss books are Dan Morgan hello Dan [TS]

  by Jason and Scott McNulty is with us as [TS]

  well [TS]

  hello I'm hoping you'll say more this [TS]

  time in the last time we're gonna cater [TS]

  to your strength today i will be like a [TS]

  prime mine the only one who's allowed to [TS]

  speak [TS]

  oh that is a bit of foreshadowing there [TS]

  and laughing at scotts joke in the [TS]

  background there is serenity Caldwell [TS]

  ran welcome hello hello [TS]

  alright we are going to talk books today [TS]

  and I guess since Scott has has [TS]

  mentioned the prime we will start with a [TS]

  book recommended last month by Dan which [TS]

  is gone away world by Nick Harkaway dan [TS]

  you want to explain a little bit about [TS]

  what this book is about and three of the [TS]

  four of us have read it now so we can [TS]

  discuss it and serenity can plug your [TS]

  ears or just listen and be amazed I was [TS]

  kind of interesting mishmash book in [TS]

  that it sort of starts out as a [TS]

  post-apocalyptic story and then we go [TS]

  back in time and get the events lead up [TS]

  to this apocalyptic happening uh and [TS]

  it's centers around these characters in [TS]

  this halogen hazmat company and [TS]

  specifically one of them a guy named [TS]

  gonzo lubitsch who is the best friend of [TS]

  the narrator and it deals with sort of [TS]

  their the intertwined lives of the [TS]

  narrator and his friend gonzo and how [TS]

  they sort of came up together and their [TS]

  their lives leading up to this posted [TS]

  this a apocalyptic event that creates [TS]

  this basically the military's of the [TS]

  world creepers go away bomb that just [TS]

  when set off is supposed to be a very [TS]

  humane weapon but when set off they just [TS]

  sort of like obliterates anything it [TS]

  just makes things not be almost the [TS]

  right obliterates reality and there are [TS]

  side effects to the right which they [TS]

  running to unanticipated side effects of [TS]

  that so after sort of a nuclear style [TS]

  war in which you know everybody's [TS]

  setting off these bombs the whole world [TS]

  is kind of decimated and it reality [TS]

  itself is kind of torn up and as a [TS]

  result the this company the only sort of [TS]

  safe places are these places where this [TS]

  company has this pipeline running that [TS]

  dispenses this gas that actually makes [TS]

  it sort of a habitable region again [TS]

  right it is sort of a it's the Fox [TS]

  riding it and basically what it does is [TS]

  it pushes the pushes out the the [TS]

  unreality that's encroaching and kind of [TS]

  forces areas livable areas of reality [TS]

  exactly and so I mean I found the book [TS]

  really if from my point of view I found [TS]

  it fascinating because not only is it [TS]

  got this sort of heavy post-apocalyptic [TS]

  vibe but it's kind of intertwined with a [TS]

  story that is largely a you know comedy [TS]

  epic fantasy you know it's just such as [TS]

  a melange of all these different genre [TS]

  types as I was as i was reading it I i [TS]

  started to think that every single [TS]

  chapter of the book and this isn't true [TS]

  after a while it's not true but the [TS]

  first like eight or nine chapters each [TS]

  chapter is essentially its own genre and [TS]

  you keep leaping from this one will be [TS]

  about mines this one will be about [TS]

  ninjas [TS]

  this is a coming-of-age story this is a [TS]

  post-apocalyptic story it seriously at [TS]

  eight and you can't believe that the [TS]

  next chapter is going to be this [TS]

  different from the previous one and yet [TS]

  it keeps on shifting gears as it goes [TS]

  and yet all sort of gets tied together i [TS]

  don't end comes around with a with a [TS]

  surprising that's surprising twist there [TS]

  is it there is a twist i wanted to start [TS]

  it at the beginning though and ask you [TS]

  this question I been reading this over [TS]

  the last couple of weeks on your [TS]

  recommendation dan I wonder if that [TS]

  first chapter is necessary because the [TS]

  first chapter it does this the same [TS]

  thing that you saw on you've seen a [TS]

  bunch of different TV shows its this [TS]

  narrative device where you start in the [TS]

  middle of the action and then you [TS]

  flashback yes and i was i was very [TS]

  confused by it because not only are you [TS]

  being plot drop lockdown in the middle [TS]

  of the action but and you don't know [TS]

  what's going on but then as soon as you [TS]

  start to get some clue about what might [TS]

  be going on then everything backs up and [TS]

  it's like you're reading a completely [TS]

  different book you don't really know [TS]

  what's going on there's very little in [TS]

  common and it takes a long time for you [TS]

  to get back there and the moment that is [TS]

  flashback from is not a particularly [TS]

  revelatory moments there is a revelatory [TS]

  moment in the book that's not where we [TS]

  start [TS]

  well it's not it's kind of at the setup [TS]

  right like the first chapter is the day [TS]

  this company gets hired to go into you [TS]

  know the sort of the dangerous zone for [TS]

  a job and then we flash back and explain [TS]

  how the characters the main sort of [TS]

  characters met but I agree it's very its [TS]

  kind of jarring because you start you [TS]

  know especially for you know the kind of [TS]

  person reads a the book jacket and [TS]

  thinks oh ok this book this is a book [TS]

  about acts and you're like okay this is [TS]

  a post-apocalyptic book ok so you go in [TS]

  the first chapter does have that [TS]

  post-apocalyptic setup but it is very [TS]

  there's not all it takes a little time [TS]

  to get oriented in the world and then as [TS]

  you say once you do this sort of the [TS]

  carpet kinda gets pulled out from under [TS]

  you and you get thrust back into [TS]

  explaining how everything got to that [TS]

  point so if you're saying yeah i think i [TS]

  agree to a certain extent that that [TS]

  there's a there's a weird sort of [TS]

  structure to that first couple chapters [TS]

  yeah i'm not sure i needed that first [TS]

  chapter I think of almost I might have [TS]

  almost preferred to just be linear and [TS]

  tell me the story that leads to the [TS]

  world being gone away instead of sort of [TS]

  seeing this weird a post-apocalyptic [TS]

  period and then and then wondering for a [TS]

  while if there had been an error in the [TS]

  book i totally thought the first chapter [TS]

  was not needed whatsoever and I didn't [TS]

  like it at all and I it made its kind of [TS]

  set me up to not like the book at all [TS]

  which is unfortunate because in the end [TS]

  i did like the book after get I would [TS]

  even go as far as to say if you're going [TS]

  to read this book just skip the first [TS]

  chapter [TS]

  you don't need to read the first chapter [TS]

  or you can come back to it when you [TS]

  reach that point I wish I don't actually [TS]

  know off the top of my head what chapter [TS]

  it fits between but you literally could [TS]

  just rip it out and put it in space [TS]

  later because there's a brief recap but [TS]

  essentially you can just drop it in [TS]

  there and say all right now read this [TS]

  and then continue and I think this is [TS]

  his first novel by don't know if he's [TS]

  written anything else since then but I [TS]

  think he's fought he falls into the trap [TS]

  that many first novelists do and that is [TS]

  I need to show off my dazzling writing [TS]

  skills at any moment and structure this [TS]

  novel in such a way that is new and [TS]

  makes it interesting and makes it you [TS]

  something that you want to read and [TS]

  actively think about which I just found [TS]

  annoying in this case [TS]

  well I think he's got it I mean [TS]

  personally I like his style i think he's [TS]

  got a quite a way with words and his [TS]

  prose i found i really enjoyed he [TS]

  doesn't have a deft touch with it but I [TS]

  understand that's not necessarily [TS]

  everybody style or to everybody's liking [TS]

  sort of ornate this [TS]

  no I I i like the book / also i mean i [TS]

  know that everything I've said so far [TS]

  may lead you to think I didn't but I did [TS]

  enjoy it while you got to see a hostile [TS]

  Scott jeez I just an angry man i have to [TS]

  go to the gym later it's it's not a good [TS]

  day but I spent the last five hours [TS]

  reading you [TS]

  you know the last half of the book [TS]

  because I i we had an assignment and I [TS]

  had to finish it [TS]

  damn it and so I enjoyed it and I [TS]

  thought it was it was a very good book [TS]

  but i don't think that i felt a lot of [TS]

  times that he was just kind of showing [TS]

  off when he was writing which i found a [TS]

  little i don't like writing that calls [TS]

  attention to itself [TS]

  I like this I like this pro style but I [TS]

  thought I think that he made the [TS]

  narrative choices that you could tell [TS]

  were sort of a show-off and and that's I [TS]

  i agree with you there i feel like that [TS]

  he didn't have to do what he did to [TS]

  start to start the book out and it was [TS]

  showy and I don't think it was necessary [TS]

  which is not to say that I'd I like the [TS]

  book to a one of the things that I mean [TS]

  there's so many things that there are [TS]

  ninjas there are mines there is a prime [TS]

  who can speak but the other Minds can't [TS]

  speak there is this post-apocalyptic [TS]

  world there's some romance there is a [TS]

  massive plot twist that quite honestly I [TS]

  want to talk about that one of the [TS]

  problems with this podcast as I don't [TS]

  know what we should spoil what we should [TS]

  not spoil or whether we should talk [TS]

  about it kind of obliquely vs vs not but [TS]

  um with a reliable narrator we consider [TS]

  sword i know it is late i don't like but [TS]

  there's this this moment we're not only [TS]

  just the plot twist happen but the plot [TS]

  twist is preceded or i guess in the [TS]

  middle of this plot twist [TS]

  there is a moment of kind of a shocking [TS]

  moment where where I i was really [TS]

  emotionally affected by the fact that we [TS]

  basically this main character we've been [TS]

  following all along and he's fallen in [TS]

  love and he he marries this [TS]

  woman and uh and then it his entire [TS]

  marriage and in some ways it seems his [TS]

  entire life is ripped away and it's it's [TS]

  quite brutal and I thought very [TS]

  effective i was really affected by the [TS]

  fact that our poor narrator is suddenly [TS]

  lost his happy home and his wife and his [TS]

  marriage and a happen and then that's [TS]

  not even that's just the start of it [TS]

  it's like why did this happen but that [TS]

  first moment was really powerful i [TS]

  thought i agree i think i think there is [TS]

  a you know I a circus tent i will say [TS]

  this i mean you know going in you kind [TS]

  of know the narrator's never really [TS]

  mentioned by name and that turns out to [TS]

  be you know an important point later on [TS]

  but i think that in some ways that your [TS]

  attention to it right because you know [TS]

  you whenever you read something where [TS]

  there's a key piece of information [TS]

  deliberately omitted you know you always [TS]

  kind of have that in the back of your [TS]

  head that they're okay there must be a [TS]

  reason why this choice was made the [TS]

  narrator is kind of the narrator's [TS]

  childhood is very strange as well that [TS]

  makes you think what something's not [TS]

  right here raised here it's clear when [TS]

  the narrator's introduced that something [TS]

  is going on because he's introduced [TS]

  crying and after some horrible event [TS]

  that you're not told what it is and so [TS]

  it sets up a question but it turns out [TS]

  that's not quite the right question to [TS]

  ask about the history of the narrator [TS]

  it's it's a red herring right it says [TS]

  you have one path and and you don't I [TS]

  mean and which is good because it [TS]

  distracts you and thinks you have a [TS]

  maybe an idea of what the answer is [TS]

  behind this this character story and [TS]

  then realize later that it's you know [TS]

  hundred eighty degrees from that or [TS]

  whatever and a plot twist happened i [TS]

  want to ask you guys this [TS]

  I i was initially mad because I felt [TS]

  like he wasn't playing fair and that it [TS]

  was it was really a cheat and it I over [TS]

  the next couple of chapters as it all [TS]

  sort of got resolved I felt like it was [TS]

  not as much of a cheat as I had [TS]

  initially thought because I was like but [TS]

  what about this but what about this but [TS]

  what about this don't we know all these [TS]

  things and it became clear later that it [TS]

  was entirely achieved but i want to ask [TS]

  you guys you know did you get that [TS]

  feeling that it's like well okay i see [TS]

  this is a twist but does is doesn't [TS]

  really hold up with what we thought we [TS]

  you earlier well I mean okay I it's been [TS]

  awhile since i've read the book [TS]

  unfortunate because i keep recommending [TS]

  it to everyone else because i read it [TS]

  like a year ago but i think i right as i [TS]

  recall reading at that point I started [TS]

  finished up the end of the look in a big [TS]

  chunk I I very much remember pushing [TS]

  like having to sort of put the book [TS]

  aside for a second and just kind of [TS]

  think about it and sort of you trace [TS]

  everything that had happened in like [TS]

  okay yeah what does this make sense and [TS]

  I think I i came to that conclusion a [TS]

  little clique quicker that like oh my [TS]

  god this really you know like you [TS]

  flipped back through the book and check [TS]

  a couple of things whenever you're like [TS]

  oh wait no this really does make a lot [TS]

  of like not only answer a lot of [TS]

  questions but also sort of fit in with [TS]

  the whole tone and plot of the book it [TS]

  so i guess i didn't feel as much of it i [TS]

  didn't have that initial reaction that [TS]

  it was a cheap I was but I was sort of [TS]

  realized you said Jason I was very [TS]

  affected by it and very sort of [TS]

  impressed with the fact that there was [TS]

  not what I had expected at all right [TS]

  just got well I thought at first I [TS]

  thought it was a cheat because i [TS]

  actually and I think that he wanted you [TS]

  to miss miss miss understand what the [TS]

  twist was exactly and so I kinda because [TS]

  I don't without ruining anything it's [TS]

  hard to talk about it so i thought one [TS]

  thing that happened and then a few [TS]

  chapters later it is clear what actually [TS]

  did happen and once i'm gonna i'm gonna [TS]

  fire the spoiler horn here and and say [TS]

  we're about to talk about the the plot [TS]

  twists in detail and if you don't want [TS]

  to hear we have it became a few minutes [TS]

  in the podcast do we have an actual [TS]

  spoiler horn com going forward we should [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  alright so Scott what you're saying is [TS]

  so what did u it turns out that that we [TS]

  should just say it turns out what [TS]

  happens is the narrator is actually the [TS]

  imaginary friend of gonzo lubitsch and [TS]

  didn't exist except that when gonzo gets [TS]

  some unreality stuff sprayed on him by [TS]

  accident he every time I described as I [TS]

  like waiting for you to say no no you've [TS]

  completely misunderstood it he he [TS]

  because he essentially becomes manifest [TS]

  and so all of this imaginary friend [TS]

  including all of the sort of Gonzo's [TS]

  impulses that he wants to suppress and [TS]

  he could sort of pushes off on his [TS]

  imaginary friend are essentially ripped [TS]

  out of gonzo and he has made he's made [TS]

  manifest so it's not really achieved [TS]

  that the imaginary friend is talking [TS]

  about his life in the past because he [TS]

  has those memories it's just that [TS]

  they're actually an aspect of Gonzo's [TS]

  personality that has been torn away from [TS]

  him into the second person [TS]

  well and of course at the same time [TS]

  gonzo is left as a very different person [TS]

  because he doesn't he no longer has that [TS]

  that you know person sitting on his [TS]

  shoulder with that part of his [TS]

  conscience basically saying you should [TS]

  maybe you should do this no no I'm not [TS]

  interested in that or the things that [TS]

  he's pushed away when he's uncertain [TS]

  about who he is or did he do the right [TS]

  thing sometimes he'll compartmentalize [TS]

  it i think we would say and put it in [TS]

  this other person and now it's gone [TS]

  which means he's a much more sure kind [TS]

  of person even though he may not [TS]

  actually be sure he just took his his [TS]

  uncertainty and shoved it in this other [TS]

  guy who was balancing his personality [TS]

  and is now gone because he's now walking [TS]

  around in in reality and it and that [TS]

  said you know if you wanted to draw the [TS]

  immediate parallel that I drew and I [TS]

  hope this isn't as well if anybody is a [TS]

  fight club [TS]

  yes are spoiling that you which has a [TS]

  very very very similar device in it and [TS]

  i think that there's you know the eye [TS]

  but I mean again I think what makes [TS]

  sense about it here is that we've [TS]

  already been led up into all this how [TS]

  exposure to the the stuff the unreality [TS]

  aspect is very unpredictable and has [TS]

  these kind of effects you know we've [TS]

  sort of been led up to that the entire [TS]

  way through as we watched these [TS]

  characters deal with this fall out [TS]

  basically [TS]

  and so for me that's why did I felt like [TS]

  oh wow that really makes sense because [TS]

  we've you know we've sort of experience [TS]

  this through their their adventures and [TS]

  journeys up to this point Scott so Scott [TS]

  what did you think the twist really [TS]

  meant before you found out that didn't [TS]

  mean that [TS]

  so that was what the trust was but what [TS]

  i read it i thought uh I thought that [TS]

  the stuff had erased the narrator and [TS]

  yes me too and I was like well what this [TS]

  does really make any sense because [TS]

  that's what I mean through the whole [TS]

  book that is not what this stuff does [TS]

  and it doesn't do this so what's going [TS]

  on and i was very confused and then it [TS]

  then [TS]

  gonzo shoots him and I'm like I don't [TS]

  understand what's going on and then he [TS]

  explains what went on my god that makes [TS]

  a lot more sense [TS]

  well I and it makes that scene once you [TS]

  realize that the scene where the [TS]

  narrator discovers that his wife doesn't [TS]

  know him [TS]

  it actually makes it i think even more [TS]

  effective because now you realize that [TS]

  it's even worse than that it's the gonzo [TS]

  can't can't really fit he hit one aspect [TS]

  of his personality which is him as this [TS]

  kind of tough guy adventurer with this [TS]

  other aspect which is him and as a guy [TS]

  with a home life and in many ways his [TS]

  relationship with his wife was [TS]

  compartmentalize and has now been [TS]

  stripped from him and is in this other [TS]

  guy because the other guy loves Gonzo's [TS]

  wife and gonzo doesn't know quite how to [TS]

  relate to her anymore and it's very sad [TS]

  because you know he i think Harkaway is [TS]

  trying to say something about how we all [TS]

  contain multitudes and what if you [TS]

  actually like took pieces of yourself [TS]

  and not to get all star trek but you [TS]

  know split them into and then you've got [TS]

  two different pieces of yourself and [TS]

  they would it would work the same way [TS]

  right and the only way gonzo can express [TS]

  his feelings for his wife is to go [TS]

  and you know take his other half away [TS]

  and because he feels that the other half [TS]

  is a handwritten or take his wife away [TS]

  so it takes the other guy and shoes and [TS]

  shoot some multiple times and pushes [TS]

  them out of a moving truck [TS]

  well I mean because they you get this [TS]

  very much in India if you wanted to go [TS]

  into sort of a psychological profile you [TS]

  could say it's sort of separating his [TS]

  like his aid from his you know [TS]

  supereeego type thing where it's like [TS]

  he's primal like the gonzo that you're [TS]

  left with is a very sort of impulsive [TS]

  violent like you know but but heroic [TS]

  what gone so like to think of themselves [TS]

  as right it's like the party gonzo gonzo [TS]

  was comfortable writing but he's also a [TS]

  very you know he's got that very he's [TS]

  rough around the edges he doesn't [TS]

  necessarily have that like sensitivity [TS]

  Randy you know I think even you know i [TS]

  love that hard way does a great job of [TS]

  like talking about the the martial arts [TS]

  styles that they both study and how you [TS]

  know the the narrator has you know you [TS]

  did never really fit in with the sort of [TS]

  you know brutal strength-based martial [TS]

  arts stuff that gonzo really favored [TS]

  right and instead took this sort of the [TS]

  softer approach of you know something [TS]

  that's kind of sort of almost an aikido [TS]

  like martial arts where it's all about [TS]

  you know control and balance and you [TS]

  know agility and all those things and I [TS]

  liked how that was such an interesting [TS]

  like diversion like it was a great I a [TS]

  way of expressing who these two [TS]

  characters were yeah that was one of the [TS]

  moments where I really didn't I thought [TS]

  it was a cheat was like wait how can he [TS]

  not be gone so if the if they did all [TS]

  that stuff with the with the master of [TS]

  the martial arts and it turns out that's [TS]

  the story is that there are parts of [TS]

  God's life that didn't really work for [TS]

  him and didn't fit with his self-image [TS]

  so we stuck them on the side it was the [TS]

  soft martial arts didn't really fit in [TS]

  with his tough-guy image he didn't want [TS]

  to talk about the fact that he was [TS]

  involved with the very people who [TS]

  invented the to go away bomb he didn't [TS]

  want so he compartmentalize that [TS]

  completely and just basically act as if [TS]

  i was never with the scientists it's not [TS]

  who I am I'm a tough guy adventurer i'll [TS]

  stick that over here and so in the end [TS]

  the narrator ends up being the guy in [TS]

  the lab coat who was there when they [TS]

  invented the bombs instead of gone so [TS]

  yeah it very very interesting and I [TS]

  should also point out for those who are [TS]

  who have heated have not heeded the [TS]

  spoiler horn [TS]

  you know that the plot twist in the end [TS]

  there's a lot that happens after the [TS]

  plot twist sure that the most [TS]

  interesting because I was like oh my god [TS]

  there's this big plot interest a plot [TS]

  twist and then I look like I still have [TS]

  like a third of the book 3 what is going [TS]

  to happen [TS]

  yeah exactly should we fire the spoiler [TS]

  horn the all clear [TS]

  yes yes yes bring up so so in the end [TS]

  dan I know your verdict on the gun away [TS]

  world because you've recommended it to [TS]

  lots of people [TS]

  Scott did you like it I mean you said [TS]

  you kind of liked in the end right i did [TS]

  that was very good i mean i think if you [TS]

  take it in the frame of mind that it's [TS]

  his first novel and it's a fun read and [TS]

  it's not what you're expecting and don't [TS]

  read the first chapter don't read the [TS]

  first chapter [TS]

  it was well done i enjoyed I really i [TS]

  highlighted a bunch of things that I [TS]

  thought were very funny i highlighted [TS]

  some stuff too because I thought that I [TS]

  thought there was some really good stuff [TS]

  in here and i'll just read one [TS]

  well maybe three two one of them that i [TS]

  thought was really good this is a great [TS]

  thing about reading on the kindle is [TS]

  that I can actually call it my [TS]

  highlights on the web and read them [TS]

  which is pretty cool [TS]

  the rest of her communication has been [TS]

  removed with a razor blades lift leaving [TS]

  me holding a limp carcass of eviscerated [TS]

  notepaper it's a little spooky it's a [TS]

  zombie letter in the middle of the night [TS]

  it will rise from the grave and eat the [TS]

  other letters starting with the headings [TS]

  then it will crawl out into the camp and [TS]

  begin its rampage and some of the scraps [TS]

  that leaves behind will also reanimate [TS]

  the undead paper plate will spread until [TS]

  nothing can stop at baja and bwahaha is [TS]

  actually in the book it's not me saying [TS]

  it and and very some almost like Douglas [TS]

  Adams is sort of besides that about the [TS]

  zombie letters and there's a others or [TS]

  if he does about serial numbers which is [TS]

  a tech writer i love that these long [TS]

  serial numbers that you could never make [TS]

  enough to fill all the serial numbers in [TS]

  the history of all of the planet earth [TS]

  yet they do it [TS]

  just some really funny passages that [TS]

  that not a lot of books are like that [TS]

  where where you can just be reading a [TS]

  paragraph and out of context you can [TS]

  still go okay that was really funny and [TS]

  they're even sentences that are just [TS]

  really funny and I highlighted mostly [TS]

  just sentences i also highlighted the [TS]

  the zombie letter think Jason so how [TS]

  nice if I had turned on social [TS]

  highlighting [TS]

  on the kindle anyway very funny and I [TS]

  like to too so I I don't hold it against [TS]

  Dan for recommending that i buy this [TS]

  book vegas God well as I understand he's [TS]

  actually working on a new book which I [TS]

  I'm very much looking forward to what [TS]

  you should be you have you sold you've [TS]

  made dozens of dollars for him and [TS]

  royalties for your buddy Nick Nick [TS]

  Harkaway this is always affiliates key [TS]

  missing it again you get something yeah [TS]

  anyway just mind clicking through my [TS]

  podcast site that's why the [TS]

  uncomfortable affiliate links will make [TS]

  us all rich [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  let's move on and talk about another [TS]

  book that we mentioned in passing and [TS]

  this also will fulfill our Zeppelin [TS]

  quotient for the podcast excellent yes [TS]

  gone away world sadly Zeppelin free [TS]

  check Zeppelin free again as then [TS]

  pointed out in the last book podcast [TS]

  there is a large kind of truck thing but [TS]

  it's not a Zeppelin it is it is not even [TS]

  close to his up but not as announced [TS]

  that even remotely it was it turns out [TS]

  that was quite a stretch to make that [TS]

  claim dan Boneshaker by cherie priest is [TS]

  a kind of steampunky zombie adventure [TS]

  novel and it does feature Zeppelin ate a [TS]

  stolen Confederate Zeppelin in an alt [TS]

  history civil war that has gone on much [TS]

  longer than the actual civil war did i [TS]

  read this is part of the set of hugo [TS]

  award nominees i should point out [TS]

  actually that the city in the city and [TS]

  the and the windup girl which we [TS]

  mentioned on the last book podcast tied [TS]

  for the hugo award for best novel [TS]

  Jason's already happy then right [TS]

  I am happy because those are my two [TS]

  favorites and I ll do it turns out that [TS]

  if I if I braked city in the city ahead [TS]

  of the windup girl it would one by [TS]

  itself so i feel kind of responsible [TS]

  haha time you are a jerk [TS]

  Jason sure but that's all yes I i wanted [TS]

  the windup girl to get an award so it [TS]

  i'm happy i'm very happy anyway [TS]

  Boneshaker I think finished I'm gonna [TS]

  say I think maybe finished third but it [TS]

  was one of the runners-up I i ranked [TS]

  below the the other two because I didn't [TS]

  think I thought it was a fun romp I [TS]

  didn't think it was quite a substantial [TS]

  as these other two books work but as a [TS]

  you're kind of a young adult it's got [TS]

  it's got a its got a mom as the as the [TS]

  protagonist and then a kid her son as [TS]

  the other protagonist young man and they [TS]

  have an adventure in the city of seattle [TS]

  in the late eighteen hundreds but it's [TS]

  the salt history world where there's [TS]

  been a machine the Boneshaker has dug up [TS]

  the ground in seattle and release this [TS]

  gas that turns people into zombies [TS]

  essentially and then the Sun gets lost [TS]

  in the city and the mom goes to find him [TS]

  and turns out there people living amid [TS]

  the ruins and it and then there's the [TS]

  stolen Zeppelin it was all it was a lot [TS]

  of fun [TS]

  Scott what do you think about the shaker [TS]

  I thought it [TS]

  you took the words right out of my mouth [TS]

  it was a lot of fun it wasn't we got [TS]

  away world made me think which is always [TS]

  a good thing [TS]

  a Boneshaker not too much thinking going [TS]

  on but a lot of enjoyment [TS]

  yeah it was it was a romp I mean there's [TS]

  there to say it didn't make me feel [TS]

  stupid already i don't feel nervous i [TS]

  did think well reading it but yeah but [TS]

  it was it was not it was a fun read i [TS]

  was sitting on a beach reading gone away [TS]

  world thinking this might not [TS]

  automatically be the best choice for [TS]

  sitting on the beach [TS]

  boneshaker felt a little more beachy in [TS]

  that sense of like it's fun and there's [TS]

  chases and you're running away from the [TS]

  zombie horde and people with weapons and [TS]

  and you know Ariel uh fight scenes in [TS]

  gone to love the Zeppelin kind of get a [TS]

  lot of fun a lot of fun stuff and a [TS]

  mysterious two mysterious evil geniuses [TS]

  that one turns out to be not so genius [TS]

  see but at least they're two of them [TS]

  yes that's right that's right out that [TS]

  was a I'm I've seen that I've seen that [TS]

  story trick before but I I liked it a [TS]

  lot which is you have a character who [TS]

  may or may not be this figure from the [TS]

  past and one of the characters says [TS]

  early on [TS]

  oh no he's not that guy and you spend [TS]

  not going to fire the spoiler horn yet [TS]

  but and it's a great moment because if [TS]

  you catch it you you save yourself haha [TS]

  this person knows something that nobody [TS]

  else knows about that [TS]

  what happened to that guy and that isn't [TS]

  indeed at the end you find out what [TS]

  really happened to the to the this other [TS]

  person and [TS]

  it's a really nice a really nice moment [TS]

  that I like a lot but uh I love that [TS]

  moment where it's like if you're paying [TS]

  close enough attention you'll realize [TS]

  one character knows more than anybody [TS]

  else knows about what happened and she [TS]

  isn't sharing I appreciate that they [TS]

  kept it drawn out for that long [TS]

  where I was I was kind of expecting that [TS]

  that was going to like we would find out [TS]

  why this certain character was dead or [TS]

  alive i was expecting we'd find it out [TS]

  like maybe midway through the book but I [TS]

  appreciate they held on until about the [TS]

  last 10 pages before we actually get the [TS]

  big reveal and be like oh that's why and [TS]

  it makes so much sense after that you're [TS]

  like oh of course of course this person [TS]

  would know that and potentially yes I'm [TS]

  i might well if it's not there you know [TS]

  the the format of the book is these [TS]

  alternating chapters and there are [TS]

  several moments actually where you feel [TS]

  like you're going to bring the two [TS]

  characters together the mom and her son [TS]

  and and I think she does a really great [TS]

  job of frustrating the reader and you [TS]

  know i love it when I get frustrated as [TS]

  a reader because that's part of the fun [TS]

  of reading a book is like oh they were [TS]

  so close and and then they're split [TS]

  apart again and they didn't find each [TS]

  other so it's it's a you know it's a fun [TS]

  it's a fun kind of rock with a lot of [TS]

  these the fact that it sent him a [TS]

  historical period is is a lot of fun [TS]

  because you don't have high-tech [TS]

  solutions to problems you you know the [TS]

  most high-tech solution that you've got [TS]

  is a gas mask in a Zeppelin which is [TS]

  pretty high-tech really well i mean it [TS]

  stack i suppose i'm not sure it's a [TS]

  high-tech supplements a low-tech [TS]

  Zeppelin 100 federates up when how good [TS]

  could a stolen Confederate Zeppelin [TS]

  really be well that's aplin was the [TS]

  Cadillac of Zeppelin's of that time I [TS]

  gotta say when i first started reading [TS]

  the book the book tricked me a little [TS]

  bit because I first started reading like [TS]

  the prologue is great the prologue could [TS]

  be a book within itself because so much [TS]

  happens we like all right so it's you [TS]

  know Civil War period and you know all [TS]

  there is Evelyn's and there's and and [TS]

  yellow zombie gasps yeah but you don't [TS]

  even get to the gas yet alright the [TS]

  Boneshaker a giant drill that you can [TS]

  imagine being this Giants team operated [TS]

  thing with a giant drill bit on the [TS]

  front that goes into the earth and i [TS]

  just love this set up or they're like oh [TS]

  yes the Russians have found gold in [TS]

  Alaska so they don't want to sell it to [TS]

  the US quite yet but they can't get at [TS]

  the gold so what [TS]

  they gonna do they're going to hire us [TS]

  going to enter yet to actually make [TS]

  something to get that gold so then maybe [TS]

  they won't have to sell it to the US [TS]

  after all and then see you get like all [TS]

  of this interesting history stuff like [TS]

  oh cool very and then you're like oh no [TS]

  that's actually just the first five [TS]

  pages and then after that it's all about [TS]

  the aftermath of this horrible machine [TS]

  that was theoretically done for good and [TS]

  then turned into evil and basically [TS]

  destroyed half of a city and yeah [TS]

  release the zombie gasps it's just it's [TS]

  interesting how much backstory they [TS]

  meant a cherry priest manages to pack [TS]

  into that 10 pages [TS]

  apparently there's another book in this [TS]

  in this universe that's about about the [TS]

  Zeppelin believe it or not so I'm going [TS]

  to the Confederate about the Confederate [TS]

  Zeppelin yeah that is a primary feature [TS]

  and so it's sort of like flies through [TS]

  this story but is then it part of its [TS]

  own story and I wonder how much of that [TS]

  is just okay this is the world that i [TS]

  built here and here it is in the first [TS]

  pic first chapter now let's get to the [TS]

  the real point but you're right it was [TS]

  really rich and that the first full [TS]

  chapter is interesting because it's [TS]

  actually a little bit more down and then [TS]

  the book as a whole it's like she really [TS]

  wanted to take you down this depressing [TS]

  it's like she's working in this Factory [TS]

  and it and her son doesn't appreciate [TS]

  her and he runs away and it's and they [TS]

  have to wear these layers of clothing to [TS]

  avoid the the the stuff that's dripping [TS]

  out of the sky from this yellow goo and [TS]

  it's just as miserable terrible world [TS]

  that they live in on the walls outside [TS]

  of Seattle and it you know it's almost [TS]

  as if you expect the next thing to be [TS]

  like in so many fantasy stories like but [TS]

  then at then they opened the door to a [TS]

  magical place where things were better [TS]

  and a magical place where things are [TS]

  better is where all the zombies are [TS]

  tremendous and yet hit you like things [TS]

  opened up when we got into seattle and [TS]

  there were zombies everywhere i keep on [TS]

  drawing a conclude drawing like [TS]

  parallels between of all things an [TS]

  American tail which is like a really [TS]

  bizarre things but it's still it's like [TS]

  you have the same kind of thematic ideas [TS]

  where oh you have to go to a new place [TS]

  in this new place is also scary and [TS]

  crazy and and there are a lot of points [TS]

  in that film where people keep missing [TS]

  each other and [TS]

  specifically family members so it's very [TS]

  weird was Harrison survival in bone [TS]

  shaker is that the boy is that the mom [TS]

  is that it's the boy is a mad scientist [TS]

  the boy is fievel alright is there I [TS]

  haven't seen american tail in a million [TS]

  years is there is there a mad scientist [TS]

  who kills people in an American tail [TS]

  light [TS]

  oh that's the rashes am sorry i didn't [TS]

  know there's a there's a mad scientist [TS]

  in the rest of them i'm trying to [TS]

  remember if it's in well actually [TS]

  they're they're crazy contraptions in [TS]

  both american tail and 50 goes well as [TS]

  far as i remember Fievel goes west are [TS]

  other Zeppelin's there in weight now but [TS]

  i don't think the reasons they're there [TS]

  they're flying pigeons something I don't [TS]

  pitchers usually flogged [TS]

  yes exactly so the other bitches are not [TS]

  always Paris as far as flying things get [TS]

  here in California the pigeons fly on a [TS]

  Zeppelin Scott by any other thoughts [TS]

  about Boneshaker i mean i would [TS]

  recommend it I i think it's a good I [TS]

  also think it's good for a younger not [TS]

  you know not I'm not a kid audience but [TS]

  like a young adult audience i think [TS]

  that's sort of one of the one of the [TS]

  targets of that book because it's not [TS]

  particularly you know nasty and for a [TS]

  zombie right look I think it's just a a [TS]

  really fun really fun reading it's gonna [TS]

  got a teenage character whose likable [TS]

  but it's also got the mom and it was a [TS]

  lot of fun i don't know if the boy was [TS]

  that likable but uh huh well he gets in [TS]

  over his head his jerk [TS]

  well I don't know I thought well I he I [TS]

  thought he had a reason to do what he [TS]

  did and then he realized kind of quickly [TS]

  that he had totally blown it was trying [TS]

  to how smart do you have to be to think [TS]

  oh I really should not go into this [TS]

  zombie-infested city and look for [TS]

  someone who may or may not be there but [TS]

  it doesn't take my email can to take a [TS]

  maybe this isn't a good idea and I [TS]

  should just go back to school when [TS]

  you've got it you've got to give him [TS]

  credit though he he goes in by tunnel as [TS]

  opposed to his mom who has to hitch a [TS]

  ride on the Zeppelin that's true but [TS]

  surely has to ensure i was up late [TS]

  because the tunnel collapsed [TS]

  it's true it's trending wouldn't have [TS]

  collapsed if he hadn't got into it [TS]

  yes there I like some of the constant [TS]

  article he dished one of the images in [TS]

  that book that I really [TS]

  I guess the there's a whole family of [TS]

  chinese people who run this strange [TS]

  pumping it's the Chinese like railroad [TS]

  laborers and they've stayed in seattle [TS]

  and they run the strange air pumping [TS]

  station where they blow in fresh air [TS]

  they've got big tubes that stick up into [TS]

  the sky pulling the fresh air and then [TS]

  they pump it into the down below and [TS]

  it's such a bizarre industrial just such [TS]

  a strange image and I thought that was [TS]

  really funny [TS]

  well it's hard to imagine to just hard [TS]

  to picture in your head especially [TS]

  because at one point the mother actually [TS]

  goes down one of those two houses and [TS]

  trying to get a mental picture while [TS]

  you're reading this you're like she's [TS]

  talking about gripping onto the ridges [TS]

  and things like that you don't exactly [TS]

  know how this thing is staying upright [TS]

  you know hundreds of feet into the air [TS]

  but it sounds pretty cool [TS]

  yeah yeah alright I'm going to welcome [TS]

  Dan back from his isolation chamber I [TS]

  was great in there I really I had a nice [TS]

  time to relax catch up on some things [TS]

  you know take a little nap and now you [TS]

  can read Boneshaker which you have right [TS]

  you have it's on my bedside table and it [TS]

  will be joining me on my uh my travels [TS]

  this week [TS]

  nice very nice is you know what and [TS]

  despite the the advent of e-books in the [TS]

  convenience of reading stuff on your [TS]

  ipad i still it's you know that takeoff [TS]

  and landing part you know when I don't [TS]

  put all your stuff away [TS]

  still still gotta have an actual paper [TS]

  book there I hear you I i endorse this [TS]

  plan i hate that moment and they want [TS]

  you to turn off your kindle those but [TS]

  they're bastards but thats I say art I [TS]

  take that opportunity to enjoy the [TS]

  in-flight magazine that's right that's [TS]

  what magazines for yes SkyMall man let [TS]

  me tell you I've gotten at least six [TS]

  different hotdog cookers just because [TS]

  i'm i'm addicted it's a pride I just eat [TS]

  the hot dogs raw it solves that problem [TS]

  I'm feeling rather sick now you're brave [TS]

  man but [TS]

  let's talk about William Gibson now now [TS]

  i'm speaking so here's haha sooo hot [TS]

  dogs people even give him loves a hot [TS]

  dog that's true that's a little-known [TS]

  fact about William get said he has a new [TS]

  book out called zero history which i [TS]

  actually bought it i think it's the [TS]

  first book that I bottom a day of [TS]

  release in maybe ever and it's mostly [TS]

  because I could pre-order it and have it [TS]

  delivered to my to my kindle for [TS]

  thirteen dollars or something like that [TS]

  but I've only read the first couple of [TS]

  chapters of it it's the third Gibson [TS]

  seems to be a trilogy kind of guy he is [TS]

  the third in his third set of trilogies [TS]

  so I don't know what he does now that [TS]

  he's got three trilogies does he stop [TS]

  it's an ology know but they're not [TS]

  they're not connected here or are they [TS]

  oh that is instead book will connect [TS]

  them all ah the master the master stroke [TS]

  so he he [TS]

  this is the seat sequence that began [TS]

  with the book pattern recognition and [TS]

  continued in a book whose name now [TS]

  totally this is it spook country spook [TS]

  country that's right and I will conclude [TS]

  with zero history and so I because i [TS]

  haven't read pattern recognition or I'm [TS]

  gonna have red red zero history yet some [TS]

  of the same characters a spook country [TS]

  and as pattern recognition they're set [TS]

  in the present day to contrast with [TS]

  neuromancer count 0 and Mona Lisa [TS]

  overdrive which was his first trilogy [TS]

  which was set in a future and cyberspace [TS]

  and and no cell phones which is very [TS]

  funny to read those now and they're all [TS]

  these pay phones everywhere it's like no [TS]

  I loved pattern recognition though i [TS]

  don't know if any of you guys have read [TS]

  that one [TS]

  I read it I liked it but I did not I did [TS]

  not I was not quite as enthusiastic [TS]

  about it as many others were that's what [TS]

  that's the one where the main character [TS]

  is allergic to the Michelin Man [TS]

  yes and other brand and other marketing [TS]

  yeah I I was the one who suggested we [TS]

  should talk about william gibson and at [TS]

  this point I should admit that I in fact [TS]

  don't like William Gibson [TS]

  it's a trap this is this is not a mutual [TS]

  admiration society here or even a way [TS]

  that gives an admiration society and so [TS]

  I really liked I don't have any of you [TS]

  read The Difference Engine sterling yes [TS]

  i have a really good feeling i really [TS]

  like that [TS]

  oh wow that's my least favorite thing [TS]

  he's done by about a mile and see there [TS]

  you go and then so I read neuromancer [TS]

  because you know you have to read [TS]

  neuromancer because it is I actually [TS]

  read that fairly late i only read it uh [TS]

  I don't know five or six years ago i [TS]

  guess and i really liked it even though [TS]

  it does have this weird I I kind of [TS]

  enjoy those books that are clearly [TS]

  products of a past arrow-like [TS]

  interpolating into the future and they [TS]

  just totally like missed something you [TS]

  know like like mobile phones as Jason [TS]

  saying I find it fascinating because it [TS]

  provides such an insight to the period [TS]

  in which it was written and I thought [TS]

  neuromancer was a fantastic book i [TS]

  really enjoyed it i thought the next you [TS]

  were not as good in my opinion you know [TS]

  kind of lost a little bit of the [TS]

  whatever magic that he'd gotten into [TS]

  neuromancer but yet he's he has a very [TS]

  interesting view on on the future and on [TS]

  you know science fiction technological [TS]

  developments and all that on his books I [TS]

  mean he said that his books are [TS]

  obviously commentaries about about the [TS]

  time in which they're written so [TS]

  neuromancer is in a sudden the 2020s or [TS]

  whatever but it's really about the [TS]

  eighties and it's about technology [TS]

  interfacing with with people in a way [TS]

  that that did happen in just not in kind [TS]

  of the detail but a lot of that did come [TS]

  true and then bits of it didn't move but [TS]

  that scene still I mean that you [TS]

  mentioned the payphones of course that [TS]

  reminds me of it's such a great scene [TS]

  that's my favorite scene in neuromancer [TS]

  where we're case the main characters [TS]

  walking through an air i think it's like [TS]

  the airport even somewhere in [TS]

  Switzerland it's like the I don't know [TS]

  it's an airport in your right and the [TS]

  ymca phones right and and and the AI is [TS]

  trying to reach him and each time he [TS]

  takes a step past one of these payphones [TS]

  the pay phone rings and as he's walking [TS]

  the pay phone next to him continues to [TS]

  ring and they just goes down the line [TS]

  and caught the Rings follow him because [TS]

  it knows exactly where he is [TS]

  which is funny because like because we [TS]

  talked about Sherlock why I'm one of our [TS]

  move our TV podcast and a few they use [TS]

  that same device in the very first [TS]

  episode of which i thought was a good [TS]

  yeah well I assumed was a maybe an [TS]

  immodest neuromancer but yeah and I have [TS]

  a UH in the first of my to unpublished [TS]

  novels that i wrote I wrote a scene [TS]

  where that is an homage to that seem too [TS]

  because i love that I love that scene so [TS]

  much it's interesting Scott do you not [TS]

  like his writing style do not like the [TS]

  subject matter I'm curious i I just [TS]

  don't I think the best part of [TS]

  neuromancer was the first sentence and [TS]

  then after that he lost me which is [TS]

  never a good thing it's a great opening [TS]

  line now it is it is event is one of my [TS]

  favorite opening lines so I'm saying [TS]

  that I'm very distressed because I i [TS]

  thought the the Scottish sci-fi writer [TS]

  Charlie Strong's basically sort of [TS]

  homage did in the opening line to one of [TS]

  his books but yeah it was unfortunate [TS]

  because I didn't like that apparently as [TS]

  much I didn't like the book but it but [TS]

  he made a very funny point which is [TS]

  again in 1984 whenever Gibson Road [TS]

  neuromancer a TV that the opening line [TS]

  is the sky over the port was the color [TS]

  of television tuned to a dead Channel [TS]

  the idea being it was this gray speckly [TS]

  sky because when you turn to a dead [TS]

  Channel you get stabbed except today if [TS]

  you turn to a dead Channel you tend to [TS]

  get just like a Blue Square and so [TS]

  strong his joke was that it was a bright [TS]

  sunny day and and the sky was as blue as [TS]

  a dead television turned to a dead [TS]

  Channel [TS]

  this is like the meaning is completely [TS]

  changed since neuromancer was written [TS]

  that wasn't as good but sadly that book [TS]

  also went downhill after the first [TS]

  sentence [TS]

  yeah so yeah I so so when i'd say about [TS]

  pattern recognition i think a lot of [TS]

  people the perception of Gibson was that [TS]

  after neuromancer it was all downhill [TS]

  and he was kind of after that ever [TS]

  opening sentence neuromancer it is a [TS]

  falls down this podcast is ok now but i [TS]

  actually I thought I thought lonely [TS]

  soldier overdrive was pretty good [TS]

  although maybe not as good as new [TS]

  romancer I thought he made a comeback in [TS]

  that and then I feel like he got lost I [TS]

  think that his middle his second trilogy [TS]

  of books which were that all tomorrow's [TS]

  parties and i forget what the other [TS]

  names were it's sort of setting this [TS]

  kind of run-down bay area and people are [TS]

  living on the bay bridge [TS]

  engine I really didn't like those I [TS]

  don't didn't think they were very good [TS]

  but when he he did pattern recognition [TS]

  he he wrote his first book that was kind [TS]

  of tangibly set in the present day or [TS]

  close to the present day and that book [TS]

  you know I damn you don't like it like I [TS]

  like it I I think that's his best book I [TS]

  think it's better than neuromancer and [TS]

  part of that is because it's it does [TS]

  speak to today and corporations with [TS]

  marketing messages and how people try to [TS]

  affect other people and how the internet [TS]

  gets gets used for marketing and he gets [TS]

  used in the script kind of strange kind [TS]

  of a social ways that aren't really [TS]

  anticipated until they until they emerge [TS]

  and I'm just so mad much about it that [TS]

  really hit home for me plus it was a fun [TS]

  kind of adventure which is sort of his [TS]

  trademark rights and he's writing these [TS]

  kind of 40 movie Pulp adventures with [TS]

  this technology sheen on top of them [TS]

  yeah I mean I guess what what fell a [TS]

  little flat to me was there's this one [TS]

  central sort of conceit in pattern [TS]

  recognition that has to do with the [TS]

  footage as they call it right arm which [TS]

  is interesting but at the same time I [TS]

  guess I had trouble really grasping what [TS]

  about like the way he tries to describe [TS]

  the emotional response that's pulled up [TS]

  by people watching this in and is sort [TS]

  of the what turns it into a phenomenon i [TS]

  fell sort of flat with me and maybe [TS]

  that's because i read it again a few [TS]

  years after it had come out and at that [TS]

  point i think it was it was interesting [TS]

  because I think he did sort of manage to [TS]

  write about something that had that is [TS]

  now almost commonplace this idea of sort [TS]

  of viral media and yet it it seemed it [TS]

  seem not as far-fetched i think and i [TS]

  had a hard time it's he sort of coming [TS]

  to terms with how people reacted to the [TS]

  extent that they did in the book I found [TS]

  that a little hard to empathize with but [TS]

  there are a number of things I quite [TS]

  liked about the book i thought the main [TS]

  character is very interesting i like the [TS]

  sort of the manipulations that go on [TS]

  behind the scenes and certainly the the [TS]

  intriguing and all that that's connected [TS]

  with the plot [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  for me if you ask me what writers just [TS]

  as stylist prose stylist what writers do [TS]

  you appreciate the most if you're if [TS]

  you're a writer it maybe who do you wish [TS]

  you could write like and if you ask me [TS]

  that question the two answers would [TS]

  probably give you right off the bat [TS]

  would be Nick Hornby and william gibson [TS]

  think i would think I would sub michael [TS]

  chabon 44 million but he would be number [TS]

  three on my list and he could fight it [TS]

  out with get William Gibson if that [TS]

  would be fun to see that now the great [TS]

  case you read your Center one leaves and [TS]

  then the other leave shortly that so so [TS]

  really damn that would be you that would [TS]

  be your your pair would be Michael [TS]

  Chabon and and nick hornby hornby would [TS]

  be pretty close to the top [TS]

  yeah I don't know there's something [TS]

  about him and I know he's he doesn't [TS]

  necessarily fall into the vein of that [TS]

  kind of stuff we talked about but he's [TS]

  actually he makes me laugh out loud you [TS]

  can are you could argue that slam yeah [TS]

  there you go get your name is a [TS]

  fantastic book and it and it and it's [TS]

  john we in the sense that it involves [TS]

  it's potentially science fiction/fantasy [TS]

  maybe a little bit but the Tony Hawk [TS]

  appears in many places mystically as a [TS]

  magical certain spirit guide well and [TS]

  there's also sort of a parallel universe [TS]

  right time travel possible rightly sort [TS]

  of sees things that happen and then that [TS]

  and then he backs up that's also just [TS]

  it's just a fantastic book and anybody [TS]

  that is that it should read it because [TS]

  it is laugh-out-loud funny talk about [TS]

  authors whoo-hoo-hoo maybe got off track [TS]

  and got back on track actually think [TS]

  that horny corn these last two slam and [TS]

  what's the one that Juliet naked i think [TS]

  are actually both really great returns [TS]

  and i would add a long way down to that [TS]

  which I one way down is good it's [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  so basically how to be good was bad how [TS]

  do we get i just read that it's not a [TS]

  suspect that is clearly far away his [TS]

  weakest book are so what about you guys [TS]

  ran and ran and Scott writers that you [TS]

  really admire from just as their ability [TS]

  to write and to think about that one [TS]

  friend Scott you go oh well Don DeLillo [TS]

  anyone he's not a science fiction writer [TS]

  and well I guess maybe it kinda is [TS]

  psycho [TS]

  no but he's really he's he is a someone [TS]

  i wish i could write like I don't think [TS]

  I ever would be able to douglas adams [TS]

  one of my favorite writers i'm not sure [TS]

  if i if I'm as big a fan of his his [TS]

  skill you know stylistically but the [TS]

  number of ideas and his sense of humor [TS]

  just unbelievable how much stuff you [TS]

  could pack into such a small amount of [TS]

  space and then he you know he do that [TS]

  over the course of hundreds of pages [TS]

  over and over again which is yeah i may [TS]

  say I the mind boggles at what that man [TS]

  could think of and then I mean I there [TS]

  are so many other people that are just [TS]

  jammed in my mind i don't know i think [TS]

  that you know jasper fforde not to go [TS]

  back to him but I i am here is very good [TS]

  he is very good he's one of my favorite [TS]

  i really like self funny but you exactly [TS]

  is very funny i wish i could look Ren [TS]

  Ren has heard of Jasper well see their [TS]

  yes this because we are we allowed to [TS]

  realize it into core dead people because [TS]

  in that case i can add Raymond Chandler [TS]

  to my list to is yes it is possibly one [TS]

  of the best pro stylist of the 20th [TS]

  century dead people count you could say [TS]

  Shakespeare if you'd like to I i well [TS]

  today I think that would be I mean he's [TS]

  a he is you know a writer without peril [TS]

  at the same time use of your nose at [TS]

  least tried i don't think he would say i [TS]

  wish i could write like Shakespeare you [TS]

  know after that opening sentence in not [TS]

  right Goes Down Goes that first rhyming [TS]

  couplet is so lame I mean come up [TS]

  shall I compare thee to a summers day [TS]

  all right after that please dont la and [TS]

  then have it have we stalled enough for [TS]

  you to get yes yes you stole that I [TS]

  think well most recently i think one of [TS]

  the sort of up-and-coming offers to [TS]

  watch is definitely max brooks at least [TS]

  for me like world war z was the first [TS]

  book I read of his and then I went back [TS]

  and redheads like zombie thing i'm not a [TS]

  big zombie person in general but World [TS]

  War Z has such as spunk to it and [TS]

  suchlike really well-crafted individual [TS]

  stories and they keep you very [TS]

  invigorated and like both both on like [TS]

  just reading the book but also listening [TS]

  to the audiobook and I find it's it's [TS]

  rare that you can have a book that [TS]

  translate so well as in on the written [TS]

  page and then also as an audiobook / [TS]

  radio play [TS]

  so it's really exciting [TS]

  and i'm curious to see what he's writing [TS]

  next is just kinda he's on my radar so [TS]

  to speak who that's one of the few books [TS]

  that I stopped reading and never [TS]

  finished which World War anything like [TS]

  it [TS]

  haha because i did--like i did--like i [TS]

  threw the costume I liked it [TS]

  wow I didn't actually really did it [TS]

  didn't burn its ok i guess not [TS]

  I don't have ended like despise it just [TS]

  I lost interest in yeah that was it [TS]

  alright so now what should we do what [TS]

  should we read next one of the things i [TS]

  want to do ideally is actually even post [TS]

  something on our website which is the [TS]

  incomparable dot-com about what the book [TS]

  club is reading less next so we can [TS]

  maybe not fire off the spoiler horn for [TS]

  the net for the next time at least 44 [TS]

  some topic i don't know if we'll settle [TS]

  it here or not but do you guys have any [TS]

  suggestions of things you think we [TS]

  should read or things that you're [TS]

  reading right now or things that are [TS]

  soon to come out or things that are soon [TS]

  to come out that would work i'll try to [TS]

  look I'm going to look at my list I just [TS]

  fly [TS]

  um I just signed up for the Mongolian [TS]

  add oh yeah i was thinking about that [TS]

  but I i love Stephenson but i'm a little [TS]

  a little skeptical of the multi-author [TS]

  yeah two minds with Stevenson I like it [TS]

  man I'd hate him at the same time so [TS]

  it's difficult I i think we should [TS]

  probably talk about maybe gee John [TS]

  Scalzi and neal stephenson next time I [TS]

  think those would be fun topics mongolia [TS]

  by the way you come on Goliad dot-com [TS]

  spelled like it sounds and it's a this [TS]

  shared world story over the course of a [TS]

  year and you pay like 10 bucks and I [TS]

  sort of paid because i'm intrigued by [TS]

  the idea and i would like to encourage [TS]

  them to try it and at some point it's [TS]

  going to be like an iPad an iPhone app [TS]

  so you can just read the story as it [TS]

  goes in the app although it doesn't [TS]

  exist yet but I'm looking guy i'm a [TS]

  sucker for that kind of thing it's like [TS]

  I want to support people trying new ways [TS]

  to do a little fiction on the internet [TS]

  and even if it is it for ten bucks or [TS]

  whatever it was like it's worth it i'll [TS]

  give them up give him some seed money [TS]

  for them to try it and see if it works [TS]

  mtm from i'm flipping through my my list [TS]

  of books that are you know that I i [TS]

  write down to make sure i see when they [TS]

  come out and unfortunately most of them [TS]

  are sort of its continuations of series [TS]

  is but one of the ones all throughout [TS]

  their is the second book in a duology by [TS]

  connie willis [TS]

  who is a great writer in case you've [TS]

  never ridden read anything that she has [TS]

  written she's written a number of things [TS]

  including a doomsday book which I [TS]

  believe will yeah those are good and to [TS]

  say nothing of the dog and stay healthy [TS]

  dogs really revisited that same universe [TS]

  in a two-part series the first of which [TS]

  came out earlier this year and the [TS]

  second of which comes out next month [TS]

  called blackout and all clear which [TS]

  route basically also time travel stories [TS]

  that take place primarily during the [TS]

  Blitz I loved those two books to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog and domesday book and [TS]

  what what I found fascinating about this [TS]

  doomsday book great book so depressing [TS]

  and to say nothing of the dog same [TS]

  universe is so funny and not dark and [TS]

  black out and all clear i would put [TS]

  somewhere in between the two are it's [TS]

  not got the same quite as like oh my god [TS]

  that I you know this is so so like oh [TS]

  god I can't even take this that you get [TS]

  with doomsday book when you're flipping [TS]

  you can't stop reading because its own [TS]

  questions that you say time is just like [TS]

  four so tragic for those who have [TS]

  introduced a book it's essentially your [TS]

  you get to meet a lot of nice people who [TS]

  are going to die of the Black Death [TS]

  yeah yeah and that's it's not it doesn't [TS]

  have the farcical aspects of to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog but it's still it's [TS]

  mainly focused on the history of this [TS]

  world of the the Blitz and you know that [TS]

  sort of the experience of that as we [TS]

  just I think we just passed the like the [TS]

  60-something anniversary of it like last [TS]

  week I heard on the BBC so it seems the [TS]

  time a a timely moment to revisit it [TS]

  right Scott [TS]

  well are you guys familiar with this job [TS]

  this upcoming genre of weird writing [TS]

  called bizarro anybody know [TS]

  so anyways now one of the I've recently [TS]

  become aware of any sort of an ugly [TS]

  gentlemen dresses like Superman it is it [TS]

  is named after that that ugly gentleman [TS]

  and I guess the whole point of the genre [TS]

  is that you just write these insane [TS]

  stories that you know are just insane so [TS]

  one of the the books that I've read it's [TS]

  only like a hundred pages on is called [TS]

  Shatner quake right there i think about [TS]

  you can't so the idea the idea behind [TS]

  this book is that there [TS]

  it's set in an alternate universe where [TS]

  William Shatner has this cult of [TS]

  personality about him [TS]

  my guess is not too far from the truth [TS]

  and uh he got there are conventions [TS]

  dedicated to William Shatner and his [TS]

  various roles and he goes to one of [TS]

  these conventions and in this world [TS]

  there's a thing called a fiction bomb [TS]

  that destroys fiction and so the [TS]

  nefarious people who do not who are why [TS]

  I want to ruin too much but they don't [TS]

  like William Shatner I and said I set [TS]

  off one of these bombs and instead of [TS]

  destroying William Shatner's fictional [TS]

  work it does the opposite and creates [TS]

  multiple Shatner's throughout his [TS]

  various of the TJ Hooker and Captain [TS]

  Kirk and william shatner has to figure [TS]

  out a way to get out of this building [TS]

  that is full of himself [TS]

  yeah and just like an apt choice of [TS]

  words [TS]

  yeah I I all I can say Scott is our [TS]

  there's a baja I don't think there are [TS]

  there are multiple Shatner's but no [TS]

  Zeppelin's so I don't know multiple [TS]

  Shatner's muscles janitors actually the [TS]

  conversion rate between Shatner's f1 is [TS]

  roughly three William Shatner's [TS]

  persepolis well there you go [TS]

  yes when he was younger it was larger [TS]

  back the race is falling off or toss as [TS]

  it does so that random read more about [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah do we actually want to read zero [TS]

  history we want to actually put that on [TS]

  well it's in hardcover so you really [TS]

  need buy the ebook if you want to save [TS]

  some money or go to a library by re-live [TS]

  gods are important [TS]

  I i think it's a third part of a series [TS]

  so i don't know if i want to recommend [TS]

  start having people read part 3 of a [TS]

  series because you know you probably be [TS]

  better off i mean you could this i could [TS]

  i'm going to read it but you know i'm [TS]

  happy to read something else too i'm not [TS]

  going to read it [TS]

  multiple shadows not Scott secondary [TS]

  let's read something that Scott is going [TS]

  to read so well we'll figure something [TS]

  out and posted on the website of any [TS]

  suggestions that you have when I the [TS]

  only book that I kind of have in my mind [TS]

  is not a newer book is not necessarily a [TS]

  science-fiction so I think I'm gonna [TS]

  stay off that for now all right okay [TS]

  fair enough fair enough i don't i don't [TS]

  really have anything to suggest at the [TS]

  moment I i I'm still plowing through the [TS]

  i think the last year's year's best [TS]

  science fiction anthology which I like [TS]

  because it's a I don't read [TS]

  you read the sci-fi magazines or [TS]

  anything like that and it's a nice [TS]

  dollop of short stories and that's that [TS]

  is a collection that I really love [TS]

  having ani an e-book reader because it's [TS]

  a huge volume it's like four or five [TS]

  hundred pages and I never end up getting [TS]

  through it to the end because then I [TS]

  when I've only got a hundred pages left [TS]

  i look at the size and I can't bear to [TS]

  pack it and take it on the trip because [TS]

  there's so little of it left and so I [TS]

  just never read the last stories in the [TS]

  in the book they could be blank for all [TS]

  I know and I wouldn't know but i wanna [TS]

  on an e-book reader it's actually great [TS]

  and and that's a good that's the [TS]

  gardener noise does why don't I [TS]

  pronounce his name year's best science [TS]

  fiction short story anthology so i'll [TS]

  throw that out there for people who were [TS]

  into the short story thing its there's [TS]

  some good stuff in there is something we [TS]

  should probably talk about a you know [TS]

  like not current science fiction but you [TS]

  know maybe Golden Age stuff that kind of [TS]

  think actually that wouldn't be a [TS]

  terrible terrible suggestion that little [TS]

  terrible time is that would be a [TS]

  terrible advice [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm uh-huh no I think taking [TS]

  something that sort of perceived as a [TS]

  classic or at least it's been out there [TS]

  for five years or ten years or something [TS]

  like that we haven't read or that only a [TS]

  few of us have read and giving it a read [TS]

  might be a lot of fun uruu is funny [TS]

  because when you mentioned earlier the [TS]

  begin something and I just about him [TS]

  tying everything together my first [TS]

  thought was like that sounds like [TS]

  something isaac asimov often do and [TS]

  infected do that's true too and there's [TS]

  some arguments there about whether that [TS]

  really worked or not when I said I the [TS]

  robots in the foundation are the same [TS]

  haha look on you forgot the spoiler [TS]

  Wow yes [TS]

  we still spoiled in freestyle something [TS]

  without writers been dead for like 20 [TS]

  years you have probably not our statute [TS]

  of limitations and spoilers have you [TS]

  guys read spin by robert charles wilson [TS]

  no no I don't know of it [TS]

  oh man well maybe that should be what it [TS]

  is that won the hugo award in 2006 and [TS]

  it is great i think spin i might also be [TS]

  one of the other things i have never [TS]

  read that's a good one [TS]

  it's i'm looking at the hugo winner 0 [TS]

  and we want to we want to talk Michael [TS]

  Chabon so maybe what we should do is do [TS]

  your dishes policemen's union i think we [TS]

  all agreed last time that might be a [TS]

  good one to talk about might have [TS]

  refresh my memory [TS]

  yeah yeah that was a good book to so [TS]

  what we'll set something up and will [TS]

  will next time you hear from us dear [TS]

  listener we will have our act together [TS]

  and all of us will have read something [TS]

  maybe that's a maybe even the same ya [TS]

  mama knows and I guess that we've [TS]

  reached the end of our time for now but [TS]

  as always i want to remind everybody [TS]

  they can go to the incomparable com you [TS]

  can leave comments you can send it your [TS]

  comments into podcast at the [TS]

  uncomfortable com tell us what you like [TS]

  what you don't like what you think we [TS]

  should read what you want to hear more [TS]

  of your opinion about the spoiler horn [TS]

  anything else and until next time I want [TS]

  to thank the my fellow compatriots here [TS]

  on the podcast our friend called well [TS]

  thanks for being here [TS]

  I thank you Scott McNulty I'm glad that [TS]

  you finally got out of your shell and [TS]

  spoke up and told us what you really [TS]

  forced podcast ever and and more and i'm [TS]

  going back into my shell next time [TS]

  alright thank goodness for that [TS]

  until next time for everybody here at [TS]

  the uncomfortable [TS]

  we'll see you later bye [TS]

  all clear [TS]

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