The Incomparable

3: Doctor Sherlock vs. The Melty Man

 

  so to explain who everybody is well i [TS]

  guess i could just introduce you and and [TS]

  run the podcast hey our podcast has [TS]

  listeners in a name now I'm who it seems [TS]

  like that seems like a myth and I I've [TS]

  grown to hate all of you because I [TS]

  edited every I think that's going to [TS]

  start the pocket i added every last [TS]

  second out of that first podcast is like [TS]

  every word that Glen and Scot and dan [TS]

  said I've heard it like a million times [TS]

  oh I hate that yeah I also cut myself [TS]

  out like five minutes of me talking in [TS]

  that podcast is just like shut up [TS]

  just take myself right out I think [TS]

  everybody else was open I hate all that [TS]

  I hate all of you and welcome and [TS]

  welcome provided and it's the [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast episode 3 knew [TS]

  that I hate all of you anyway the [TS]

  secrets are revealed at September's 2010 [TS]

  this is easy and comfortable [TS]

  test number three and I hate all of you [TS]

  we talk comics we've talked books we're [TS]

  gonna talk TV I'm Jason Snelling joining [TS]

  me across the table here in San [TS]

  Francisco is jason reitman hi Jason [TS]

  hey on the magics of the interwebs we [TS]

  have making his second appearance on the [TS]

  podcast as well Dan Morgan we just can't [TS]

  keep me down [TS]

  that's right and Glenn fleischmann hello [TS]

  hello [TS]

  and we have some new people today we [TS]

  have John siracusa hey John [TS]

  hello everybody and ran Caldwell be [TS]

  called well I should suggest you should [TS]

  we call you serenity Caldwell officially [TS]

  and then refer to you as ran or she'll [TS]

  make up a name for you [TS]

  yeah you can just make up whatever you [TS]

  like alright thank you sharon haha so [TS]

  our topic today is actually a strange as [TS]

  it may seem the works and wit and wisdom [TS]

  of Steven Moffat and we're all we're [TS]

  going to talk about coupling today now [TS]

  we're not going we could we meet we may [TS]

  talk about coupling but mr. Moffat has [TS]

  had a couple shows on recently that have [TS]

  stirred some interest there Sherlock [TS]

  which had three episodes in the UK which [TS]

  recently ran and we'll be running [TS]

  shortly in the US as part of a [TS]

  masterpiece series on PBS and yet [TS]

  somehow this group of Americans i have [TS]

  before you have seems to have seen all [TS]

  the episodes you're like no attention to [TS]

  the man how we just got an advance copy [TS]

  right there any such as a cloud of the [TS]

  incomparable that's exactly right they [TS]

  we drop that first podcast they're like [TS]

  your watch this I'm sure that was it [TS]

  so I want to talk before we get into [TS]

  Doctor Who which we saw the first year [TS]

  of Steven Moffat doctor who this year I [TS]

  thought we would start with Sherlock [TS]

  because especially because Glenn and [TS]

  demanded to be on this podcast because [TS]

  he I demand to be on the spot he has [TS]

  recently you know read all of the [TS]

  sherlock holmes and studied and and I [TS]

  don't even know what he may have found a [TS]

  man named sherlock holmes and killed him [TS]

  and drunk his blood for all I know the [TS]

  next video in this series you eat his [TS]

  brain to gain is without thank you sorry [TS]

  i totally screwed that up Glenn have [TS]

  said too much yes [TS]

  so let's start with let's start with [TS]

  Sherlock three episodes Markus and [TS]

  Stephen Moffat produce this show very [TS]

  stylish I thought you would like to take [TS]

  the lead in talking about what they felt [TS]

  about this rebooted 21st century [TS]

  Sherlock Holmes game Auryn oh I'll start [TS]

  hey great love me says to make [TS]

  when mad that I didn't pick that [TS]

  actually comes from an interesting [TS]

  perspective which was that earlier this [TS]

  year after having seen the big screen [TS]

  adaptation done by guy ritchie with [TS]

  Robert Downey jr. in the Sherlock Holmes [TS]

  road i saw i went back to sort of be [TS]

  watching a lot of classic granada [TS]

  television series with jeremy brett yeah [TS]

  which I thought was which I i watched [TS]

  when I was a kid when it was like airing [TS]

  and because it aired for several years [TS]

  between like ladies early nineties [TS]

  before I germany right passed away and [TS]

  so I went back and we want to hold on to [TS]

  them because they're all on netflix [TS]

  streaming which is which made it so that [TS]

  I watched like five episodes in a [TS]

  sitting pretty easily and i think what [TS]

  struck me was how much more i enjoyed [TS]

  that then the periods the recent guy [TS]

  ritchie endeavor as much as I like [TS]

  Robert Downey jr. and I thought that the [TS]

  you know there's a lot of production [TS]

  values i really enjoyed the older series [TS]

  so when I can't let Steven Moffat series [TS]

  of very excited because you know i like [TS]

  his work on Doctor Who and coupling [TS]

  which we're not going to talk about [TS]

  today unless we do is we do and you put [TS]

  for those who are not familiar with it [TS]

  you know this is an updating of the [TS]

  Sherlock Holmes story into the modern [TS]

  day so we have Sherlock Holmes dr. [TS]

  Watson in the 21st century and with you [TS]

  know all the technological doodads that [TS]

  we've all come to to know and love and [TS]

  it's very interesting because i think [TS]

  they've done a great job of bridging [TS]

  what's totally new and out of character [TS]

  in some ways and yet still retaining the [TS]

  essential nature of the mysteries and [TS]

  the characters themselves so I [TS]

  personally I mean I i think the first [TS]

  thing that occurred to me when i watch [TS]

  the the pilot episode was a this is you [TS]

  know kind of like doctor who meets [TS]

  Sherlock Holmes and you know that's not [TS]

  such a bad thing I guess I I thought [TS]

  that they they did a great job of [TS]

  casting and it really made each of these [TS]

  episodes feel like like and have been [TS]

  especially with the feature-length the [TS]

  90 minutes I was a big fan of it i [TS]

  really enjoyed the updates and I think [TS]

  they did a great job of bringing a fresh [TS]

  take on sherlock holmes that wasn't the [TS]

  guy ritchie action movie style [TS]

  well I know that one of the things that [TS]

  Moffat and get us both of said is that [TS]

  they literally wanted to bring sherlock [TS]

  holmes out of the fog and that that the [TS]

  stories they felt were great and had [TS]

  gotten lost in the stereotype of [TS]

  Victorian ism and fall [TS]

  Logan the unity or stolen that you have [TS]

  the character itself which all of so [TS]

  many of the things that we take away [TS]

  from Sherlock Holmes or we have in our [TS]

  memory as an iconic sherlock holmes [TS]

  aren't even derived from my battles over [TS]

  phone yeah that's what basically that's [TS]

  worth anything if anybody's going back [TS]

  and watch those movies i watch those [TS]

  like religiously when I was a kid [TS]

  yeah they're totally different because a [TS]

  lot of them don't if any of them don't [TS]

  take place in the Victorian era [TS]

  I mean that there are ones where he [TS]

  fights Nazis in like World War Two [TS]

  Feathers like yeah it's totally not [TS]

  supermen they're not super they're just [TS]

  normal knots are those Evelyn's haha [TS]

  maybe in one of them have to look at one [TS]

  called like Sherlock Holmes versus the [TS]

  secret weapon or something nice and so I [TS]

  think what's interesting is that the [TS]

  whole you know that character is like so [TS]

  many other franchised characters and [TS]

  that's taken on a life of its own James [TS]

  Bond another really good example of a [TS]

  character who you know at a certain [TS]

  point became kind of a caricature of the [TS]

  original and I think even do a boil felt [TS]

  that during his lifetime which of course [TS]

  is why he tried to you know off them at [TS]

  certain point [TS]

  okay go ahead alright well now we have [TS]

  in our reserve the right to discuss this [TS]

  oh no because dan just talked for like [TS]

  five minutes and we're totally getting [TS]

  operated seconds [TS]

  I you know I thought the new series was [TS]

  actually quite good i like two episodes [TS]

  one-in-three better than episode 2 which [TS]

  I thought ya was weaker as I think many [TS]

  of the folks here agree but I thought [TS]

  the I thought they captured you know [TS]

  when you look at what is the essence of [TS]

  Sherlock Holmes and I actually went back [TS]

  and read the the Louvre because of the [TS]

  oils of because i wanted to after [TS]

  reading some of the Mary Russell books [TS]

  the lori king books about Sherlock [TS]

  Holmes and his wife told from the wife's [TS]

  perspective which are also surprisingly [TS]

  good and had a bizarre ring of the [TS]

  authentic to them like i have to report [TS]

  these stories are actually about and [TS]

  before I saw the guy ritchie version 2 [TS]

  and I went red then I thought you know [TS]

  homes is he's not a buffoon but he's a [TS]

  showman he's he's always portrayed as [TS]

  this logical emotionless person he is [TS]

  plenty of emotions but he's he sort of [TS]

  shapes his reaction of the world [TS]

  he's a perfect actor he's always in [TS]

  disguise he's always perpetuating some [TS]

  kind of interaction with someone to get [TS]

  the reaction he wants and I thought guy [TS]

  ritchie I think that movie was to add a [TS]

  little too muggy in ann arbor Tony jr. [TS]

  it was great [TS]

  but the whole thing was a little too [TS]

  like wink wink but I thought he captured [TS]

  the notion that that he's not just a [TS]

  logical detached person but he has the [TS]

  this enormous mind and this enormous [TS]

  facility for acting and moffatts version [TS]

  i think also capture that as well as [TS]

  that you know homes is eccentric but he [TS]

  knows precisely how eccentric eccentric [TS]

  he is he's calibrated his eccentricity [TS]

  the degree to which he can be tolerated [TS]

  within society and get exactly what he [TS]

  wants out of it i think that's portrayed [TS]

  the one thing missing i would say is the [TS]

  disguises homes is always in disguise [TS]

  he's always an old woman or a beggar or [TS]

  you know five men somehow you know his [TS]

  face in 10 minutes different outfits of [TS]

  the rips coats off in the the garbage [TS]

  movie that's actually think accurate to [TS]

  the books to the other thing is homes as [TS]

  a fighter the authentic homes as a [TS]

  fighter he's invented his own form of [TS]

  martial arts a combination of jujitsu [TS]

  and karate and something else [TS]

  he's always beating somebody up Watson [TS]

  carries the gun but Holmes uses as fast [TS]

  as well he's not afraid of that and i [TS]

  think that the Moffett version you know [TS]

  plays that down a bit there's a fair [TS]

  amount of violence in it but nothing [TS]

  excessive it's more sort of a given [TS]

  taken to the interplay than that but i [TS]

  think it was really I think the market [TS]

  series on its own stands is something [TS]

  that's enjoyable and unique with while [TS]

  paying you know kind of a very close [TS]

  homage to to the books you know one of [TS]

  the jokes of course is the Bruce part of [TS]

  Bruce Partington affairs i'm going to [TS]

  have and responding plants which they [TS]

  which they use i think in a clever way [TS]

  they're sort of giving us a call back to [TS]

  you know 1893 while only and they [TS]

  maintain the plot of that story to a [TS]

  certain extent like the murderer sort of [TS]

  plot of that is kept intact in family [TS]

  that was a beautiful tour de force and I [TS]

  never felt I mean he knows there are [TS]

  some elements like Sherlock Holmes is a [TS]

  fantastic hacker as well as a scientist [TS]

  in the books as a scientist that the [TS]

  crazy violin playing which I thought [TS]

  mimicked lord I juniors version the [TS]

  movie as well the sort of nutty plucking [TS]

  at the violin I enjoy the Watsons [TS]

  writings about homes are now a blog as [TS]

  well it's perfect but I felt even the [TS]

  relationship is perfect which is that [TS]

  the one of the books isn't an idiot he's [TS]

  just he can encompass as much evil as [TS]

  there is in the world [TS]

  and homes can home is perfectly willing [TS]

  to think of anything no matter how its [TS]

  what's the famous quote is that when you [TS]

  eliminate the impossible whatever [TS]

  remains no matter how improbable is the [TS]

  truth something like that right in and [TS]

  watching never accepts that he believes [TS]

  in both the impossible but also in the [TS]

  goodness of people and I think a bit of [TS]

  that was preserved through into the [TS]

  series as well Ren what about you [TS]

  I only heard about sherlock about a week [TS]

  before premiered on the BBC where I just [TS]

  heard out of nowhere I think Neil game [TS]

  and said something about it on Twitter [TS]

  and I was like oh they're making a new [TS]

  version of Sherlock Holmes how have I [TS]

  not heard about this cuz I'm huge huge [TS]

  fan of sherlock holmes and so went out [TS]

  found it and I i really love this series [TS]

  I mean I i was skeptical the first five [TS]

  minutes because of you know I John [TS]

  Watson psychiatrist being like john i [TS]

  really think that blogging would be a [TS]

  great idea and outright for you [TS]

  yeah oh my gosh I i add that that I'm [TS]

  like oh god this is this is gonna be [TS]

  terrible what have you done Steven [TS]

  Moffat but then like it really ramps up [TS]

  from there the humor and they nice means [TS]

  only three 90-minute episodes but really [TS]

  we get so much in such a short span of [TS]

  time between Watson and homes and their [TS]

  relationship and you get it within [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  that's so fantastic I love that homes is [TS]

  introduced by text message i was again [TS]

  things things about technology that i [TS]

  was skeptical about when i initially [TS]

  sought and then as soon as you kind of [TS]

  accept the trope it actually really [TS]

  works out like we get home just text [TS]

  messaging this entire crowd and then you [TS]

  get him [TS]

  hey cps you know where to find me only [TS]

  text me and i don't know it's just it's [TS]

  interesting because you have you have [TS]

  the homes of the early nineteen others [TS]

  and you have that world but it's really [TS]

  interesting and that you know Holmes was [TS]

  still even in that time period very much [TS]

  an innovator and very much into [TS]

  technology of that time so it only makes [TS]

  sense that when u transpose it into the [TS]

  modern era that he still kind of picked [TS]

  up these quirks and [TS]

  still using these sort of things there's [TS]

  some interesting visual flourishes in [TS]

  this in this series and you mentioned [TS]

  the text message brings it up one of the [TS]

  things that they decided to do is flash [TS]

  things on the screen as they're [TS]

  happening essentially sort of annotating [TS]

  what that people are reading on their [TS]

  cell phones by bringing up missed ya huh [TS]

  that pop up so you can see what's on the [TS]

  phone without cutting through the phone [TS]

  and having your reader which I thought [TS]

  was an interesting idea i'm not sure [TS]

  whether it worked or not but it was [TS]

  certainly unlike anything i've really [TS]

  seen in a Drama before is the most [TS]

  aggressive use of typography since [TS]

  fringe of anybody watches friends just [TS]

  massive floating giant headlines alright [TS]

  so in Sherlock they had their little bit [TS]

  nicer they were 2d and they appeared and [TS]

  disappeared but it was like really you [TS]

  know typography in your face you know [TS]

  you couldn't not notice that this was I [TS]

  like that I like that television show is [TS]

  encouraging reading [TS]

  yes that's right that's always important [TS]

  you must be literate to watch the show I [TS]

  think it's good to to mention the [TS]

  supporting characters to both the the [TS]

  actors in the parts is you know that [TS]

  Holmes books are full of oil books are [TS]

  full of thousands supporting characters [TS]

  in Baker Street Irregulars and you know [TS]

  mrs. Hudson and all the various [TS]

  inspectors he deals with in constables [TS]

  and so forth and even a limited period [TS]

  of the first three shows we got [TS]

  introduced to a bit of that world and [TS]

  homes relationship you know about [TS]

  Mycroft I mean I like Mark Gatiss little [TS]

  bit i think he's hilarious and I thought [TS]

  he was what a great red herring her [TS]

  first by the way oh my gosh yeah and [TS]

  harmonies he he's evil he must be [TS]

  Moriarty know it's his brother but you [TS]

  know that's the thing is Mycroft is not [TS]

  an evil man my craft in the books and in [TS]

  all of the subsequent works that have [TS]

  been created from them [TS]

  Mycroft is the spider at the center of [TS]

  the web that's pulling the threads of [TS]

  the Empire be in you know in the 19th [TS]

  century early 20th century [TS]

  he's the British Empire personified more [TS]

  than the King really in the books I mean [TS]

  that's sort of them the conceit there [TS]

  that the king at you know the government [TS]

  asks for something in my craft send [TS]

  assassins or upset the government would [TS]

  have you and now he's deeply involved in [TS]

  sort of the same way at mi what they [TS]

  saying that was it like oh he's mi7 do [TS]

  they make a joke is on you get the sense [TS]

  that he's at the center of homeland [TS]

  security for the British government [TS]

  right [TS]

  telligence oh so he is sort of you know [TS]

  some lovely isn't evil mastermind you [TS]

  can't be in that [TS]

  just not the one you were thinking of it [TS]

  said this is not the mastermind what you [TS]

  think what does everybody think of the [TS]

  casting of Benedict Cumberbatch I love [TS]

  saying that name Benedict Cumberbatch he [TS]

  has any free megashare lock homes [TS]

  yes yes and more and Martin Freeman tim [TS]

  from the UK office and and and Arthur [TS]

  Dent as well as Watson I think they give [TS]

  Martin Freeman a great chance to sort of [TS]

  stretch and and become he's very much [TS]

  homes conscience in this show right he's [TS]

  sort of his his personal interaction [TS]

  with the world around when Holmes is [TS]

  very aloof and sort of above everything [TS]

  that's going on Watson is the one who's [TS]

  dealing with the reality is you know [TS]

  that the second episode there's a part [TS]

  where you know that he offers to homes [TS]

  agrees to do a job at a bank for an old [TS]

  friend and then when the friend offers [TS]

  to you know give me an advance home sort [TS]

  of scoffs at it and walks off and [TS]

  watching you nobody ever the practical [TS]

  ones like now I didn't mean that let me [TS]

  just take that that check for you and I [TS]

  think your surrogate to really write [TS]

  well and in some ways as with the [TS]

  original stories they're they're almost [TS]

  more Watson's stories i mean the first [TS]

  episode in general where you which [TS]

  describes you know watching coming back [TS]

  from the war and I think that was kind [TS]

  of the thing that that sort of conceit [TS]

  was the the what got me when I first was [TS]

  reading about the show is having wants [TS]

  in return from Afghanistan which is back [TS]

  exactly the same thing as the books it's [TS]

  just it's a different war but it's sort [TS]

  of the same war at the same time [TS]

  question he was an old Indian hand he's [TS]

  an old Afghan hand oh yeah he's yeah [TS]

  he's definitely got a long i guess and [TS]

  that's what getting this garrison a home [TS]

  office said that's what that's what [TS]

  inspired them sort of started and [TS]

  talking about it was like hey you know [TS]

  this he was this veteran coming back [TS]

  from Afghanistan wait we still have a [TS]

  war going in Afghanistan all these years [TS]

  later and i think you know having him [TS]

  deal with coming back from war and [TS]

  dealing with like sort of a [TS]

  post-traumatic stress and getting [TS]

  involved with this i just love his [TS]

  character and i love the way the martin [TS]

  freeman delivered some of these lines [TS]

  you know as you start trying feeling out [TS]

  this Sherlock I and and trying to decide [TS]

  if you should get involved with them and [TS]

  then there's that one scene where our [TS]

  homes comes back in and says [TS]

  actually an army doctrine [TS]

  yes any good very good see a lot of [TS]

  injuries then violent deaths [TS]

  yes the trouble to that of course yes [TS]

  enough for a lifetime far too much wanna [TS]

  see some more know god yes like the way [TS]

  it is the delivery on that is just spot [TS]

  on your favorite line address episode [TS]

  has to be [TS]

  yeah well free is great i think he's [TS]

  awesome it this is also the Moffett [TS]

  pattern that Doctor Who homes [TS]

  I mean certainly the Sherlock Holmes [TS]

  books give you this scenario gives you [TS]

  the template for Doctor Who and the [TS]

  companion story right is to enter a [TS]

  Jekyll in their alliance in general [TS]

  that's our controller just for a little [TS]

  twist well of course it's he's got it [TS]

  hot and cold thing going on because it [TS]

  wasn't dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde but it's [TS]

  a similar kind of kind of thing I think [TS]

  yeah the doctor has to have his [TS]

  companions who remind him that even [TS]

  though he's all-powerful that he's got [TS]

  to you know that he's there are pitiful [TS]

  pictures all around him and holds the [TS]

  same thing he's most exalted playing he [TS]

  lives in the mind it's all a game to him [TS]

  and suddenly it's like this old lady's [TS]

  gonna die [TS]

  you know there's a bomb on her she's [TS]

  gonna die are you remembering that and [TS]

  that of course of remembering that even [TS]

  though maybe he didn't you can't be a [TS]

  coincidence that the two favorite things [TS]

  of Steven Moffat childhood were Doctor [TS]

  Who and Sherlock Holmes they do have [TS]

  this character at the center and you can [TS]

  see you can see it and so it is [TS]

  fascinating to see him launch this [TS]

  revisiting of sherlock holmes this [TS]

  changing of that story and at the same [TS]

  time also he's done this [TS]

  rebooting well not really but he's [TS]

  following on our of somebody else's [TS]

  reboot but he's got is reimagining of [TS]

  the of the doctor who series and with [TS]

  Jack similarly he was taking a literary [TS]

  character and pulling them into the the [TS]

  20th century 21st century and at the [TS]

  time I thought Jekyll was his [TS]

  application for the Doctor Who job and [TS]

  now i'm starting to think it might have [TS]

  also been his application to to do [TS]

  Sherlock because I can see the [TS]

  similarities there as well i'm going to [TS]

  bring in I like to set the potential [TS]

  meter to 10 for just a moment can bring [TS]

  in jorge luis borges his story salon [TS]

  board orbea Sturgis which is about [TS]

  encyclopedias well that'll be the name [TS]

  of this episode [TS]

  excellent it's a sci-fi there's a sci-fi [TS]

  11 creeping in [TS]

  but this notion that story that you can [TS]

  change the world by defining it and I [TS]

  think both homes as like the smartest [TS]

  person in the world and the doctor is [TS]

  you know you can blow up the universe [TS]

  and bring the universe back that Moffat [TS]

  certainly has an interest in people who [TS]

  can define reality who can who can shape [TS]

  it and make it approachable so the [TS]

  unknowable parts of the world are [TS]

  actually created noble by these people [TS]

  who have intellect or ability that you [TS]

  know goes beyond anything that a human [TS]

  could have a normal human doesn't a [TS]

  sameness bother anybody or maybe I'm the [TS]

  only one but like when i started [TS]

  watching sherlock i felt like oh this [TS]

  must have been the runner-up forecasting [TS]

  the doctor in order might as well be the [TS]

  twelfth doctor who dwells guys 80s actor [TS]

  and the option turning down the job he [TS]

  was not actually didn't know that job [TS]

  first and he turned down the job I i [TS]

  just read a thing today saying that he [TS]

  denied that he was off the bat really [TS]

  but regardless whether he was our [TS]

  particular things actor playing that [TS]

  though right I absolutely look at him [TS]

  and and the way he's written he's [TS]

  written a lot like the doctor too [TS]

  I mean it i'm not a big Charlotte guy [TS]

  from way back so I don't have like the [TS]

  the the books and everything in my head [TS]

  so I'm just taking this as what it is [TS]

  you know Sherlock I know the basic [TS]

  outline let's see what they're going to [TS]

  do with it and you can kind of see if [TS]

  you took away the doctors magic powers [TS]

  and alienness and made him a detective [TS]

  and put them in the modern world this [TS]

  would be kind of how we acted and how we [TS]

  ended up and I think it's an interesting [TS]

  look at how smart people are in the [TS]

  modern world versus how smart people are [TS]

  in the Victorian time you know he ends [TS]

  up being basically kind of a geek a [TS]

  little bit socially strange but we have [TS]

  words for the social things now so he's [TS]

  more aware of them because the world is [TS]

  more aware of it you know he's not even [TS]

  your alien as an excuse for it right but [TS]

  in the Victorian times he would be [TS]

  respected but now we know like a smart [TS]

  pico Asperger's syndrome or you know [TS]

  attention deficit or you know [TS]

  high-functioning autistic all these [TS]

  words that are in the common knowledge [TS]

  now he fits into that molar and [TS]

  Victorian times you just being eccentric [TS]

  genius but now we kind of know exactly [TS]

  what's wrong with him so he knows more [TS]

  what's wrong with them so i thought that [TS]

  was interesting but he does look a [TS]

  little dr.e to me like the whole time [TS]

  through you know i got it started off [TS]

  and everything [TS]

  yeah yeah you know he's got a companion [TS]

  who happens to be a guy but they do all [TS]

  the gay jokes with that which i love [TS]

  that was there a great part of the [TS]

  series to you know perpetual people [TS]

  mistaking them for a couple but i don't [TS]

  i don't disagree with you about the [TS]

  doctor the doctor nice but i think it's [TS]

  i think the doctor clearly borrowed me [TS]

  not the early i mean i never watched the [TS]

  first doctor the second part we was the [TS]

  first time I really saw any length 1 / 3 [TS]

  writer for number three and and we [TS]

  always had a bit too soon didn't I geek [TS]

  chest of but let you know in tom baker [TS]

  certainly not either but when you get as [TS]

  the series progressed you get this [TS]

  pattern of the wise mentor and the sort [TS]

  of fallible person who brings humanity [TS]

  and whatever it is very much a home's [TS]

  pattern and i think i have to believe [TS]

  the Doctor Who writers always had from [TS]

  all this for many of the series had [TS]

  offended if you are so it's not that odd [TS]

  that Holmes portrayed in a reasonably [TS]

  accurate way in the modern time would [TS]

  actually feel very dr. wish now I'm not [TS]

  saying that's wrong so much just that [TS]

  you know this is the show just about [TS]

  kind of mafia type things or you know if [TS]

  you watch a lot of that you start like I [TS]

  don't know I sometimes I might want to [TS]

  see something different thing is this [TS]

  all you can do can you only do the story [TS]

  of the amazing genius and and the human [TS]

  who's caught up in his weapon Howie you [TS]

  know give you know that's where playing [TS]

  where your doc is obviously the amazing [TS]

  genius at the center and Patrick and and [TS]

  Steve key balanced as his faithful [TS]

  companions as he heads toward his [TS]

  inevitable confrontation with the multi [TS]

  man just so embarrassing I don't know [TS]

  what to do it was all made all of us in [TS]

  our time are visited by the melty man [TS]

  don't say his name patrick don't even [TS]

  think his name or he will rise from the [TS]

  shadow dimensions to do is evil work [TS]

  inside you're terrified pants [TS]

  czech republic but there's nothing funny [TS]

  about the melting man Patrick you know [TS]

  about the melting man 2 we all know the [TS]

  melting man who is e the archenemy of [TS]

  transit confidence Professor Moriarty in [TS]

  growing form Darth Vader without the [TS]

  helmet so Moriarty appears at the end of [TS]

  the third episode finally of Sherlock [TS]

  what what do you what do you think I [TS]

  know it's controversial he's a little [TS]

  over-the-top yeah I like that though [TS]

  because as a foil to our to our Sherlock [TS]

  was so clearly you know a social misfit [TS]

  I you know I have to admit I was the [TS]

  first time and I had a I had a hard time [TS]

  with a guy because I was trying to pin [TS]

  down his accent which seem to keep [TS]

  switching but i think that's the point i [TS]

  think no I agree I agree I when I [TS]

  watched it again [TS]

  I thought there's there's a [TS]

  deliberateness to this that I really [TS]

  enjoy with him he kind of goes back [TS]

  forth between I think the actors himself [TS]

  as Irish I think he goes back before the [TS]

  Irish British sort of a pompous British [TS]

  accent and then even American a couple [TS]

  points and I just but i really enjoyed [TS]

  his delivery there's something about how [TS]

  relaxed he is how we literally in a way [TS]

  that you know Sherlock is not Sherlock [TS]

  we always seems to be running you're [TS]

  running around a little bit high-strung [TS]

  this guy is very calm very collected and [TS]

  i love that he you know at least you [TS]

  know where that sort twist at the end [TS]

  with him you think he's gonna kind of go [TS]

  I'm gonna let you go to live another day [TS]

  and then it sort of comes back you know [TS]

  to not pull that that typical villain [TS]

  trope of i'm going to explain my plans [TS]

  and now you're going to defeat me [TS]

  so you know we we don't exactly know how [TS]

  this how this ends up and we will see [TS]

  going into the next series presumably [TS]

  but I thought he was great i enjoyed a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  yeah we didn't need just another you [TS]

  know every home is always the [TS]

  white-haired man hobbled with a clean a [TS]

  spider at the center of the web as usual [TS]

  it's always a spider web isn't who can [TS]

  pulls all the strings and control all [TS]

  the crime in London and beyond instead [TS]

  it was this fresh take surprising i was [TS]

  completely I was like flabbergasted like [TS]

  always make this the most unlikely [TS]

  person but he matches homes and skill [TS]

  and it has a consultant criminal like [TS]

  what a great flip from from you know [TS]

  homes consulting detective [TS]

  yes consultant criminal oh it's [TS]

  fantastic and his movement [TS]

  I could not get enough of his movement [TS]

  where it's as you said dance very it's [TS]

  very loose but at the same time he has [TS]

  this wonderful control over everything [TS]

  where he just kind of flips out and it [TS]

  almost cost to mind you know Charlie [TS]

  Chaplin to a certain extent just he has [TS]

  such fantastic timing and you just have [TS]

  no idea what he's going to do and I [TS]

  appreciate that he has like this Legion [TS]

  of snipers that are everywhere [TS]

  the Legion of snipers yes I loved his [TS]

  introduction to when he was a in the lab [TS]

  you know what the passing that the [TS]

  telephone number because that was there [TS]

  was a payoff on a running gag of the [TS]

  poor assistant not being able to you [TS]

  know get a date with Charlotte or [TS]

  whatever and he was brought in charlotte [TS]

  connotes that he's gay and crushes are [TS]

  once more that was the perfect cover for [TS]

  hiding and totally fails to write like [TS]

  he totally misses that this guy is the [TS]

  guy he right before that was the perfect [TS]

  cover for the viewer because the viewer [TS]

  did not say hope that I bet that's amore [TS]

  order know you thought they were having [TS]

  another scene 2 to play off of the [TS]

  assistant and you know it's it's it's a [TS]

  funny scene to write so that usually [TS]

  when they show that the other guy like [TS]

  that you get a clue like oh I bet that [TS]

  could that's more I hear that some [TS]

  important guy dismissed at least one [TS]

  pass me when totally passed me I had no [TS]

  idea that was gonna be Moriarty has a [TS]

  note if anybody has not gone online and [TS]

  read the blogs for the show which [TS]

  actually exist like Sherlock's website [TS]

  and Watson's blog [TS]

  oh they're linked off the BBC site [TS]

  they're hilarious read the comments [TS]

  the lab the lab assistant poor Molly has [TS]

  a blog with like cats all over it and [TS]

  everything and the comments are all [TS]

  comments like left by the other [TS]

  characters in the show so i can have [TS]

  Watson's recap of the story and ensure [TS]

  like correcting him in the comments of [TS]

  all like the things you got wrong it's [TS]

  so what does a sponge-like viral type [TS]

  marketing I've ever seen [TS]

  it's all going to read that for the next [TS]

  year and a half I guess yeah well I mean [TS]

  that it's not mean it's sort of like set [TS]

  right now I mean it's what's interesting [TS]

  also is that the most recent stuff on it [TS]

  and I don't think they're updating it [TS]

  right now the most recent stuff on it [TS]

  sort of builds on the last episode which [TS]

  is that you have sarah watson sort of [TS]

  would-be girlfriend posting comments on [TS]

  the blog by asking like has anybody [TS]

  heard from John you know and you're like [TS]

  your kind of left with that same [TS]

  cliffhanger ending and family did the [TS]

  three episodes we will be waiting for [TS]

  more than probably hear ya to see more [TS]

  of this [TS]

  it's of it at least we'll have doctor [TS]

  who in the middle to bridge it and that [TS]

  sound you hear is the sound of a [TS]

  shifting gears slightly to talk about [TS]

  Doctor Who more because i think we've [TS]

  already grinding the gears so will shift [TS]

  like that's hard to sound in there on [TS]

  about me as if that's the best part of [TS]

  this podcast yet left the brakes that [TS]

  that's right that's right [TS]

  still the blue stabilisers just so one [TS]

  of the one of the knocks on Moffat [TS]

  coming in and taking over for Russell T [TS]

  Davis is that in many ways I think you [TS]

  could argue that that in in his [TS]

  acclaimed episodes that he wrote the [TS]

  Mafia wrote the Davis run he probably [TS]

  for at least the first few of them [TS]

  didn't really know whether he was going [TS]

  to ever get the rains or whether he [TS]

  wanted them or whether he would take [TS]

  them or whether it will happen and he [TS]

  got the opportunity to write for doctor [TS]

  who his favorite show is a kid so he was [TS]

  like I'm gonna do I'm gonna pull out all [TS]

  the stops and he wrote these episodes [TS]

  that are acclaimed and that everybody [TS]

  more or less loves and I i agree i think [TS]

  that there that they were generally [TS]

  great now the knock on him is that now [TS]

  he's got to do a 13-episode season [TS]

  followed by a special and then another [TS]

  13 episodes to come and that perhaps he [TS]

  used his best material and chose to sort [TS]

  of go back over it a little bit and I [TS]

  know that I don't know what you guys [TS]

  think of that now I'm not sure I [TS]

  entirely by it but it's not something [TS]

  that all writers fear though we have [TS]

  that I mean that that's the trick is can [TS]

  you maybe it's can you not repeat [TS]

  yourself or can you file off the serial [TS]

  numbers enough that nobody notices that [TS]

  you're repeating yourself and i recently [TS]

  watched the finale again of Doctor Who [TS]

  and I had several moments where i was [TS]

  thinking of this this is silence in the [TS]

  library [TS]

  mhm in many ways this is the same plot [TS]

  just with some different characters and [TS]

  some slightly different stakes so I you [TS]

  know I enjoyed the season on the whole [TS]

  though there's a part in the middle [TS]

  where I thought it was totally off the [TS]

  rails and was going to crash and burn in [TS]

  the end I liked how it was resolved but [TS]

  i do think it's an interesting question [TS]

  about whether i'm steven moffat sort of [TS]

  blew his wad when Davis was running the [TS]

  show and then when he took over he sort [TS]

  of had sale crap i think i think the [TS]

  saving graces have been the the casting [TS]

  and the performances and lava dialogue I [TS]

  mean [TS]

  think that is regardless of his sort of [TS]

  plot structures of points which I agree [TS]

  if sometimes you know veered towards the [TS]

  repetitive I think he still craft such a [TS]

  great set of interchanges between his [TS]

  characters and that the carrot the [TS]

  actors were bringing those characters to [TS]

  like do such a good job but for me I'm [TS]

  through to a certain extent willing to [TS]

  overlook some of the weaknesses in plot [TS]

  just for the sheer sort of [TS]

  moment-to-moment enjoyment and then who [TS]

  Jason Reitman who didn't see sherlock is [TS]

  gonna jump in here because otherwise he [TS]

  may he's playing Scott McNulty from the [TS]

  first episode where you say anything for [TS]

  the first half had and I was his chance [TS]

  and I know he wants to jump in here [TS]

  yeah i think the well it clearly there's [TS]

  different skills in writing episodes and [TS]

  being a showrunner you know moffatts [TS]

  writing is is brilliant amazing and he [TS]

  has written most of the best episodes [TS]

  since the series relaunched in 2005 but [TS]

  i think what you could see in this last [TS]

  series was this is certainly an evenness [TS]

  that you didn't have with Davies running [TS]

  it and I could have been because Davis [TS]

  rewrote everything episode right but [TS]

  didn't exactly and so I i think that [TS]

  caused unevenness in the series and also [TS]

  Moffat rights best you know that [TS]

  dialogue and the conversations which are [TS]

  so amazing and let these great actors [TS]

  kind of true on stuff but heed his [TS]

  episodes you saw this towards the later [TS]

  ones like silence and he sometimes gets [TS]

  a little has too much plots and my too [TS]

  many good ideas that he tries to throw [TS]

  in if you look at the the second one the [TS]

  Beast below you know that had the city's [TS]

  flying in space and the winders and the [TS]

  Queen and this every you know it had so [TS]

  much plot that it really took away from [TS]

  the dialogue because it didn't leave [TS]

  room for the characters in a way that [TS]

  that episode which I didn't like but I [TS]

  did feel was one was almost like an old [TS]

  style for part or six-part Doctor Who [TS]

  serial from the seventies where they [TS]

  were when all those ideas and have so [TS]

  much time to explore all the ideas but [TS]

  spent 45 minutes the only time a lot of [TS]

  hardcore fans of the old show will say [TS]

  oh I wish they would still do it where [TS]

  the episodes went on forever and they [TS]

  ran up and down corridors and I don't [TS]

  believe that but that episode felt to me [TS]

  like it really needed to be that if it [TS]

  was going to be anything because it was [TS]

  just crammed full of this stuff and then [TS]

  it all just flew by [TS]

  you know what is really missing was the [TS]

  shot of a quarry in whale [TS]

  miss but i'm sure there was a quarry in [TS]

  there somewhere if you look at his [TS]

  episodes like blink you know it had this [TS]

  order one bad guy with the one idea you [TS]

  know great alien great concept great [TS]

  structure really well put together and [TS]

  you compare that to something like the [TS]

  Beast below or even the angel two-parter [TS]

  yeah experience it too many ideas really [TS]

  see me seems to trip over himself a lot [TS]

  what what the British might call over [TS]

  egging the pudding excellent brittish's [TS]

  in there Dan which is to say too much [TS]

  like like Jason saying too much of a [TS]

  good thing maybe like showing off a [TS]

  little too much like I think that's your [TS]

  right with like the angels episode like [TS]

  the second angel episode where you have [TS]

  like all the Angels I feel like you lose [TS]

  something because it loses a little bit [TS]

  of the specialness of the like it was [TS]

  really creepy when you're like one away [TS]

  from like like one angel but when you [TS]

  get like 50 it so it sort of turns into [TS]

  like a like a zombie movie instead [TS]

  post thriller well again he went back to [TS]

  the angel well they're speaking of [TS]

  repeating yourself you know I know you [TS]

  might be willing to forgive him but did [TS]

  go back to the angel well business like [TS]

  one episode of my best known for what's [TS]

  my best episode angels everybody loves [TS]

  angels let's do a two-parter doctor who [TS]

  has never shied away from repeating [TS]

  months i I'm not like I'm not [TS]

  complaining about the dielectric or [TS]

  anything i'm just saying the angels in [TS]

  particular where were you know that it's [TS]

  our signature marker and to bring them [TS]

  back for a double episode feels a little [TS]

  bit lazy butt but I feel like with [TS]

  anything except her hard sci-fi the [TS]

  story matters much less than the [TS]

  characters and that better be the case [TS]

  because I think a lot of Doctor Who [TS]

  stories are not very good sci-fi i'm not [TS]

  a big fan of you know that it's taken [TS]

  from size perspective you so synopsis [TS]

  you'd save me I have been there market [TS]

  after says they're not satisfy right out [TS]

  it's a fairytale and and that's how it [TS]

  plays out but if the characters are good [TS]

  and you're invested in what they're [TS]

  doing you're willing to okay fine [TS]

  alien whatever you know angel whatever [TS]

  if you make a universe you have some [TS]

  sort of set of rules you have to have [TS]

  some sort of consistency among them [TS]

  whatever you decide the rules are the [TS]

  rules are magic their black holes act [TS]

  like X and they have to always act like [TS]

  anywhere as Doctor Who they're much more [TS]

  willing to change the rules from not [TS]

  just from season to season or doctor to [TS]

  doctor but from like moment-to-moment in [TS]

  an episode yet before this type of alien [TS]

  apparel is this time danger but now he [TS]

  doesn't they made fun of that in the [TS]

  dream Lord yeah a little bit a cold star [TS]

  as we get closer to its colder and [TS]

  colder [TS]

  three of us have to agree now which is [TS]

  the dream it's this [TS]

  yeah people need science is all wrong [TS]

  here burning ice out I scumbag so far as [TS]

  can be [TS]

  it's a big universe we have to include [TS]

  which battle to lose all of us so let's [TS]

  talk about the character of the doctor [TS]

  but compared you know now with Moffat [TS]

  running things to davis's doctor and not [TS]

  necessarily tenant but just a doctor [TS]

  character with it what's interesting is [TS]

  I had an argument with a friend out what [TS]

  I will just mention tenant really quick [TS]

  I an argument with a friend because he [TS]

  thought going into the Steven Moffat [TS]

  season you look at seem too much to me [TS]

  like they're trying to recapture like [TS]

  the david tennant glory with you know [TS]

  the mat smith character and it's like I [TS]

  can definitely see that to a certain [TS]

  extent you know there is a little you [TS]

  know he's charming offbeat slightly [TS]

  quirky I you know like all the doctors [TS]

  have been to a certain extent but i [TS]

  think that there are things that are [TS]

  profoundly different about the eleventh [TS]

  Doctor I mean the episode that comes to [TS]

  mind when I think what that is the [TS]

  larger which is just such a a wacky off [TS]

  the wall episode and his interactions [TS]

  with people are so different from the [TS]

  Tenth Doctor Who I think was a little [TS]

  more you know you certainly more with it [TS]

  like sort of on the social scale like [TS]

  that the 11th doctor is more like the [TS]

  the mark or they Steven Moffat sherlock [TS]

  holmes he doesn't quite know how to [TS]

  interact with humans [TS]

  it's a little weird we have that great [TS]

  scene in the first episode where he [TS]

  keeps telling young Amy 22 cooking [TS]

  different things and he keeps spitting [TS]

  out all the different food and it was a [TS]

  great Peter a bit of physicality and [TS]

  sort of you know reminder that this [TS]

  character is totally alien to us in many [TS]

  ways and I think that the larger was a [TS]

  great example of like he's totally [TS]

  oblivious to how is affecting the lives [TS]

  of this the the live the life of this [TS]

  guy is living with the sort of [TS]

  relationship with his you know would-be [TS]

  girlfriend and I think it's just--that's [TS]

  to me was us was a episode in which you [TS]

  couldn't have just swapped the tenth [TS]

  doctor in maybe the ninth doctor it's [TS]

  amazing Christopher Eccleston's [TS]

  performances is a bit of it i think that [TS]

  you know Smith does a great job of [TS]

  blending at least the ninth and tenth [TS]

  doctors and beyond that i'm afraid that [TS]

  my knowledge is a little slim when it [TS]

  comes to the earlier dr. sure that's [TS]

  what they all say ran what do you think [TS]

  about the the transition from the temp [TS]

  to the 11th I mean I definitely think [TS]

  that matt smith is the 11th has a more [TS]

  humanistic approach [TS]

  then tenant at the same time being more [TS]

  out of it which is really strange i mean [TS]

  i'll go back to the larger as well Dan [TS]

  in that I really don't think that [TS]

  tenants doctor would have actually [TS]

  jumped in and interacted the way that [TS]

  Matt Smith's doctor did and you know the [TS]

  playing of the playing football is the [TS]

  one that immediately comes to mind [TS]

  we got a match today probably the one [TS]

  down if you fancy it probably a drinking [TS]

  competition football player football [TS]

  football football [TS]

  yes folks played football I'm going to [TS]

  football thing that footballs one with [TS]

  the sticks isn't it but also I mean [TS]

  interactions with amy and things like [TS]

  that and that I feel like you get the [TS]

  information from tenants dr. you get all [TS]

  you kind of conceived the things with [TS]

  rose and his past companions in matt [TS]

  smith's eyes when when you kind of [TS]

  compare it to Amy when he kind of steps [TS]

  back from amy launching on him midseason [TS]

  when she's just kind of trying to avoid [TS]

  the whole wedding thing like you you see [TS]

  all of the information that he's been [TS]

  getting from tenants doctor but I think [TS]

  despite sharing similar characteristics [TS]

  these two are very different beasts they [TS]

  have like their david tennant was always [TS]

  very much more about the knowledge and [TS]

  more about you know 003 near it [TS]

  yeah exactly he's very he's very brainy [TS]

  whereas I feel matt smith is much more [TS]

  the doer matt smith is all right you [TS]

  know of science [TS]

  let's jump into it anyway I mean when [TS]

  you think about it and you go back to [TS]

  Steven Moffat writing certain episodes [TS]

  the the line most comes to mind is you [TS]

  know tiny whiny wibbly-wobbly stuff from [TS]

  them from blank of course but I feel [TS]

  like more of that more of Steven Moffat [TS]

  attitude towards all the science doesn't [TS]

  so much matter let's just go have the [TS]

  adventure I think that's very much the [TS]

  essence of Matt Smith's character this [TS]

  doctor the 11th doctor started off lying [TS]

  to his companion right from the very [TS]

  first episode in that scene in the [TS]

  TARDIS at the end when she said well I [TS]

  mean fund what happened [TS]

  doesn't always have a reason for that [TS]

  like people yes been knocking around a [TS]

  man for my choice botched I talking to [TS]

  myself all the time [TS]

  give me a break get only that's it yes [TS]

  that just as the quiz on his monitor [TS]

  behind him and he turns it off so she [TS]

  doesn't see it that he had another [TS]

  agenda right from the beginning right [TS]

  and what about it at first he breaks his [TS]

  promise to her right and and then and [TS]

  damages her childhood and then he lies [TS]

  to her right and then in the next [TS]

  yeah yeah in the very next episode the [TS]

  Beast below when he's telling you know I [TS]

  just sit back and don't interfere and [TS]

  you know don't get in trouble and fuck [TS]

  you know just straight up and i'm [TS]

  watching going on this doctor is a liar [TS]

  that's right which has river song says [TS]

  in the finale rule 1 the doctor lies no [TS]

  more significantly this one is your [TS]

  right is a is he's more likely to get to [TS]

  fabricate mean tenant doctor was I think [TS]

  honest to a fault didn't even have the [TS]

  ability to you know he seemed to suffer [TS]

  all this pain about it and Ernest I'm [TS]

  thinking sorry I'm so sorry he was [TS]

  practice [TS]

  hi dr. character he strikes me as a [TS]

  little bit Mary Sue you know and I'm [TS]

  sorry to translate the doctor which will [TS]

  help us out [TS]

  writer easy and Mary Sue character who [TS]

  knows everything perfectly who knows a [TS]

  family returned traded everything he [TS]

  tries i did not know that time when [TS]

  we're cranking down the meter to 10 [TS]

  Baltimore slowly so the success of the [TS]

  doctors a character is is dependent i [TS]

  think on how they balance that sort of [TS]

  Mary soon as he can't be Superman BCB he [TS]

  becomes completely uninteresting signs [TS]

  your man and that's our hunt club you [TS]

  have to have some sort of problem or [TS]

  inability to deal with something or [TS]

  crisis you need to build their ability [TS]

  and tenants tenants thing was that he [TS]

  always wanted to fix everything and he [TS]

  usually did so that's a big difference [TS]

  between him and matt smith and he had [TS]

  this strange love hanging out with [TS]

  humans and a weakness for them and [TS]

  occasionally he got himself in terms of [TS]

  his confidence and matt smith has a [TS]

  different set of laws and I think Matt [TS]

  Smith's laws are a little bit easier to [TS]

  relate to because they're more like [TS]

  feeling of alienation and not fitting in [TS]

  and you know doing things that you might [TS]

  regret later just because you don't have [TS]

  the guts to make a difference you know [TS]

  or for example at you know break his [TS]

  promise to Amy he was accidental you [TS]

  know like I'll be back in five minutes [TS]

  all was about five minutes oh well write [TS]

  that shows that doesn't really [TS]

  understand how humans work quite yet [TS]

  it's not a big deal to him but it's a [TS]

  big deal to her and and we relate to [TS]

  that as a character flaw even if he [TS]

  doesn't think it's a flaw so I think [TS]

  that really helps to balance him he's [TS]

  more callous which I kind of like [TS]

  because it's a little bit too much [TS]

  sometimes you're just like that is the [TS]

  tenth thing you can't save the universe [TS]

  all the time you can try but you're not [TS]

  always going to succeed in there's no [TS]

  but apparently you always succeed since [TS]

  we're still here to protect her but you [TS]

  know us reboot the universe right that [TS]

  was I mean that that's a funny thing I [TS]

  we should you know I I mean where is all [TS]

  spoilers all spoilers all the time but [TS]

  yeah the fact that the universe blows up [TS]

  and it's like oh all we need to do is [TS]

  reaching her the the earth still exists [TS]

  for no particular reason and but things [TS]

  are getting worse suddenly now and this [TS]

  giant cube that's been the theme of the [TS]

  whatever is no longer important and [TS]

  we'll just hit the button and rescue [TS]

  everybody and blow the universe back up [TS]

  it'll be just like it was accepted to I [TS]

  have to say this but I will say this at [TS]

  as somebody who's seen that episode [TS]

  three times now it does hold together [TS]

  internally it it from an external [TS]

  perspective yes of course it's kind of [TS]

  ridiculous but internally it does hold [TS]

  together it is all it is all explained [TS]

  the the Pandorica is put to the Big Bang [TS]

  which allows the last remnant of the old [TS]

  universe to to cast its light on the [TS]

  universe and so it's comes back I'm not [TS]

  quite sure why Rory has the memories of [TS]

  the Auton soldier guy other than that [TS]

  it's a nice story and who cares it's [TS]

  sweet it's nice and anna and i like how [TS]

  it ended and and everything can be [TS]

  explained with fezzes are cool i could [TS]

  buy a new fez that me the wine of the [TS]

  whole season but yeah this is the thing [TS]

  this is the thing other one element is [TS]

  why the river song remember right that's [TS]

  always the that's the that's the [TS]

  critical point why did you remember why [TS]

  don't you have a blank book invite you i [TS]

  think river song is probably moffatts [TS]

  greatest creation mean if you take any [TS]

  sort of serialize show that's been on [TS]

  for 40 years then you can't really kill [TS]

  the doctor you can't change the doctor [TS]

  that much you know to be able to enhance [TS]

  his story by introducing this character [TS]

  from the future [TS]

  that that's just brilliant Rockets his [TS]

  biggest gamble too because he is it has [TS]

  now been set up across two seasons going [TS]

  to be in a third at least and you know [TS]

  it does threaten to change his story and [TS]

  how we perceive him and now that in the [TS]

  last episode he drops the bomb where she [TS]

  says you know the next time you see me [TS]

  this is all going to make sense learn [TS]

  about me and everything changes which is [TS]

  such a thing to I mean sure Russell [TS]

  Davis do that all the time and nothing [TS]

  changed but i have to say that it's such [TS]

  again you're raising the stakes and how [TS]

  is he gonna pay that off it clearly this [TS]

  is jose you're assuming is gonna pay it [TS]

  off [TS]

  well he says he's giving all that [TS]

  assumption that i wasn't burned so many [TS]

  times it often is satisfying was just [TS]

  gonna drag it to John John John you need [TS]

  a hug [TS]

  not that I'd find disappointed i think [TS]

  that's that's the tool to use to make to [TS]

  add interest to to a character who is [TS]

  too powerful put someone in the show who [TS]

  knows something he doesn't know and keep [TS]

  bringing them back to tweak and with it [TS]

  you can do that for a long time and I [TS]

  think that's in itself is satisfying you [TS]

  don't need to pay off ends that the pain [TS]

  offices are now we know everything [TS]

  represents the moon locale inviting [TS]

  problem that the reason i think that it [TS]

  actually I do think the river song [TS]

  payoff will probably be disappointed a [TS]

  lot of people because i think where he's [TS]

  going with this is we're probably going [TS]

  to see over the course of next season in [TS]

  a couple episodes maybe you know maybe [TS]

  two maybe for she wasn't for this year [TS]

  what we're going to see is them having [TS]

  that core of the relationship because I [TS]

  think a lot of people have this [TS]

  perception that like oh they're going to [TS]

  get married and they're going to have a [TS]

  marriage and then it's gonna end and I [TS]

  don't think that's what's gonna happen i [TS]

  think we're essentially seeing it sort [TS]

  of it's a big ball of time you want me [TS]

  stuff now it's a big ball and we're [TS]

  seeing it from the outside passing to [TS]

  the middle and in the middle is meant [TS]

  you know we've seen the dr knowing her [TS]

  and she being on the other side of the [TS]

  relationship we're gonna get to that mid [TS]

  point next year where this relationship [TS]

  is essentially consummated and then [TS]

  we're going to continue to see her but [TS]

  it's gonna be on the other side of four [TS]

  she's met the doctor [TS]

  yeah before that they've gotten to that [TS]

  point and and then her echoes are going [TS]

  to kind of show up occasionally but the [TS]

  core of the story will already have been [TS]

  told that travelers wife [TS]

  yeah exactly and no except we're gonna [TS]

  be pissed off by that I i think some [TS]

  people going to what that's it that's [TS]

  the whole thing I thought they were [TS]

  going to be whole season though the [TS]

  switch [TS]

  never has to be a payoff the remember he [TS]

  has to go to planet midnight before she [TS]

  dies and has to be far along in the [TS]

  relationship early for him where he [TS]

  almost doesn't know why he's doing it [TS]

  has to happen sooner [TS]

  I mean it's something we've already on [TS]

  the end right right so happy we haven't [TS]

  seen the penultimate scene where he goes [TS]

  to her and realizes it's the last time [TS]

  you'll see her and I suspect we might [TS]

  even see that next season actually have [TS]

  a chance to see him down or we'll never [TS]

  see it or they'll see me know about it [TS]

  is almost like you don't ever and yes [TS]

  she's just a lot or she kills women up [TS]

  man you killed that man never know just [TS]

  I think that's where I think that's [TS]

  where it'll be a cheap honestly but but [TS]

  I I don't know I I don't know the other [TS]

  thing that I think it's important that [TS]

  the way Steven Moffat talks the show is [TS]

  at there isn't anything that isn't [TS]

  cannon about Doctor Who including the [TS]

  stuff that contradicts Doctor Who [TS]

  because they're all just gets a race [TS]

  because it's he's a time traveler at any [TS]

  moment he could totally erase and undo [TS]

  and change low that it's all my question [TS]

  for all of you assembled here is I've [TS]

  got a couple first off is where did they [TS]

  go from here [TS]

  what what do you think looking forward [TS]

  to the second season of Steven Moffat [TS]

  surround the doctor who we've got Amy [TS]

  and Rory in the TARDIS we've got the [TS]

  river song plot that's floating out [TS]

  there i'm just wondering what your what [TS]

  your kind of thoughts our interests are [TS]

  about about what you would like to see [TS]

  this show do next [TS]

  crossover with Sherlock owns yeah that [TS]

  means slash fiction you're talking about [TS]

  well alright let's not cross that line [TS]

  they might as well put it on the [TS]

  holodeck if they're gonna hate if they [TS]

  can happen if it were coupling into I [TS]

  would be there i thought one was working [TS]

  on that [TS]

  not if it's all over em we're gonna find [TS]

  out that Amy is in Patrick's love cover [TS]

  fee if Jeff Murdock showed up in the [TS]

  TARDIS that would be the best thing ever [TS]

  some time machine it's a it's a big we [TS]

  believe will be time to say it time [TS]

  machine should i'm in the new season I [TS]

  want to see less pulling punches because [TS]

  they creep right up to him with matt [TS]

  smith right they had the whole idea of a [TS]

  mystery gonna race and that's kind of a [TS]

  sad thing to imagine and she can't [TS]

  remember Rory but they couldn't land the [TS]

  punches so she can't remember or how sad [TS]

  sad for us is the view [TS]

  right but you know they want to come [TS]

  back over re now you remember me your [TS]

  Robo Rory or the reset the universe and [TS]

  everything you know like don't pull that [TS]

  punch you know that's it you have to go [TS]

  with that because instead of just [TS]

  waiting until the companion leaves or [TS]

  dies or something go with you know [TS]

  horrible things happen two companions [TS]

  and the doctor knows that they happen [TS]

  but they don't know because they're st [TS]

  was erased and there's no fix for and [TS]

  just got to go on me but it also [TS]

  provided it provided for like the one of [TS]

  the greatest moments I thought in the in [TS]

  the first rebooted season the eccleston [TS]

  season the in the doctor dances you know [TS]

  up until that point you have several [TS]

  episodes in a row where stuff goes badly [TS]

  and people don't necessarily make it and [TS]

  then you have that moment where [TS]

  everybody lives and lives just yet like [TS]

  and i think that you know there's [TS]

  something very compelling about that you [TS]

  know in the sense that it's not it if [TS]

  when it if you have old if you don't [TS]

  pull those punches as Jon says then when [TS]

  on the rare occasions things do work out [TS]

  you feel like you've earned something [TS]

  like you feel like you've gotten [TS]

  something out of it it's a different [TS]

  response because you're-you're so and [TS]

  you feel like it's a triumph for the [TS]

  double absolutely has been struggling [TS]

  with his failures and he overcomes them [TS]

  if you don't anybody if he wins every [TS]

  time or even if you know like I don't [TS]

  want to be solved in three episodes i [TS]

  would be happy with you know him totally [TS]

  destroying one companion and making her [TS]

  the tragic companion who everything goes [TS]

  wrong with the engine and she forgets [TS]

  their history and all but she's fine you [TS]

  know she's completely happy but only the [TS]

  doctor knows how horrible it was an [TS]

  honor yeah yeah he can I ask a question [TS]

  about outer space [TS]

  fellas nobody Noel doesn't exist am I [TS]

  right think about the first 13 episodes [TS]

  of azmuth they were on another planet [TS]

  only in the Angels two-parter am i right [TS]

  about that and the Beast below is on a [TS]

  spaceship spaceship and everything else [TS]

  was on earth wasn't it and the angels [TS]

  one is like they're in you know or on [TS]

  the terraria right there a part of a [TS]

  community giving into the earth centric [TS]

  nature of the show [TS]

  no more taking campaigns to see the [TS]

  universe that's cost too much much too [TS]

  much money for sets the the budget was [TS]

  cut a lot from the russell t davies [TS]

  Sarah yeah i think that i think that's [TS]

  part of it and also a show that has to [TS]

  be different every single week it's [TS]

  awfully hard to build a new alien planet [TS]

  every week without any Star Trek did it [TS]

  and they all were that red Cyclorama [TS]

  endure terrible this so here's my here's [TS]

  my question I want to go around this [TS]

  virtual room and [TS]

  ask each of you this to keep a high high [TS]

  point low point from this last year of [TS]

  Doctor Who you could be favorite episode [TS]

  or not or it could be a moment whatever [TS]

  but i'm i'm kind of curious to see how [TS]

  how those match up high point in the low [TS]

  point the high point for me was the [TS]

  dream Lord episode which day which had [TS]

  an ending that was ambiguous in a bit [TS]

  dark right the ground was all his fault [TS]

  right it had it had some of that it had [TS]

  that you know it wasn't a clear win it [TS]

  also seemed it like it really had a [TS]

  clear voice for all of the characters [TS]

  and had some sort of humor and your [TS]

  darkness and kind of an interesting [TS]

  sci-fi thing but and a good bad guy you [TS]

  know overall that episode was really [TS]

  solid i think the low point for me was [TS]

  the Beast below [TS]

  although i keep going back to it because [TS]

  there's a lot of interesting things but [TS]

  i think it was fascinating failure right [TS]

  it was a great failure there's just so [TS]

  much going and it seemed like characters [TS]

  I really at the end the doctor looks at [TS]

  the situation goes the only solution is [TS]

  to kill lobotomize the whale [TS]

  it's the only way out of this you know [TS]

  that to me was sort of epic failure that [TS]

  you like [TS]

  LOL i was like Natalie's in your doctor [TS]

  oh but not only to dr. a liar but he so [TS]

  is stupid [TS]

  yeah so that's me episode didn't work so [TS]

  well even had a lot of good things i [TS]

  thought i thought the low point for me [TS]

  was the the second to partner the hungry [TS]

  earth in cold blood there was something [TS]

  that i liked a lot about the beginning [TS]

  of the hungry earth when it's kind of [TS]

  creepy and you don't know what's pulling [TS]

  these people into the earth like there's [TS]

  something I liked the unexplained nature [TS]

  of that and then the second part of it [TS]

  really turned it into this there's this [TS]

  alien Society that's been living under [TS]

  the earth for years and I know that's [TS]

  it's a throwback to some of the earlier [TS]

  doctor who references but it just got it [TS]

  was totally boring and I mean I really [TS]

  didn't do anything from and yes we do [TS]

  end up with that sort of the note of [TS]

  Rory getting erased which is kind of [TS]

  gives you that bittersweet like dark [TS]

  ending but the the episode itself i [TS]

  thought was really really kind of a [TS]

  waste of time and really so unfortunate [TS]

  that Rory's death gets tacked onto the [TS]

  end of those terrible episodes because [TS]

  it was a sort of essential viewing and [TS]

  yet my mother-in-law's a doctor who [TS]

  watch her and she was like well I'm a [TS]

  few episodes behind new the next [TS]

  episodes coming up with [TS]

  a two-parter and I was like you should [TS]

  skip it oh wait you can't skip it [TS]

  because yeah but I mean to compare with [TS]

  that so that you know if that's where [TS]

  the low point then for me I guess the [TS]

  highpoint like I felt like the season [TS]

  had very good book ends i really enjoyed [TS]

  the first episode I thought it was [TS]

  fantastic i liked you know you do the [TS]

  introduction of matt smith at like the [TS]

  eleventh hour you know as we as we have [TS]

  that episode where the doctor is [TS]

  established we is we have that they've [TS]

  done a lot of callbacks this year 12 to [TS]

  all of the previous doctors which I [TS]

  thought was very interesting like they [TS]

  had one up so the first episode where he [TS]

  has the the alien scan him and it shows [TS]

  all the other doctors there's an episode [TS]

  where we like pulls a library card and [TS]

  william hartnell one [TS]

  yeah 3 card up and I thought that you [TS]

  know that first episode was really i [TS]

  really enjoyed it and then the last said [TS]

  that the last two especially towards the [TS]

  end of the love the the season I thought [TS]

  were really good and sort of brought us [TS]

  back up to that level and it seemed like [TS]

  unfortunate that there were a lot of [TS]

  things in between that we're kind of [TS]

  crucial as you say plot-wise but but [TS]

  still a lot of times felt like filler i [TS]

  think i'm gonna pick two high points [TS]

  when Rory memory dies / gets forgotten [TS]

  that was a big high point from you [TS]

  because AI didn't really like him much [TS]

  and be i felt like find out finally [TS]

  there they're gonna you know they're [TS]

  going to do something with these [TS]

  characters and of course the low point [TS]

  was when they brought him back [TS]

  yeah i'm not that another minor [TS]

  character so much it's just that I i I'm [TS]

  looking for that kind of character drama [TS]

  to offset the the the supernatant [TS]

  supernatural nature of the doctor and [TS]

  then how he does everything right and i [TS]

  think the other high point was how they [TS]

  brought everything together at the end [TS]

  of the series like it did really lost [TS]

  there in the middle with a couple of [TS]

  like weak monster the week episode with [TS]

  a little bit of our points thrown in and [TS]

  like man how they gonna wrap this up but [TS]

  I thought they kind of you even with [TS]

  bringing Rory back and robo Rory and all [TS]

  the ridiculous noble I thought they [TS]

  wrapped it up it they sort of pulled it [TS]

  out in the end like this series could [TS]

  have as Jason said gone off the rails [TS]

  and look like it was and they really [TS]

  kind of brought it back inside no no we [TS]

  still know what we're doing we got a [TS]

  little lost their but we're settling in [TS]

  you know i'm and and that was satisfying [TS]

  to maybe look forward to the next season [TS]

  instead of wondering that if they can [TS]

  really handle the doctors own you know [TS]

  John I have to agree with you regarding [TS]

  Rory I think my my low point for the [TS]

  season is actually worries arc in [TS]

  general I just he's he's just he got no [TS]

  time [TS]

  you really are we really don't didn't [TS]

  understand him as a character why he was [TS]

  there besides being Amy's fiancĂ© he [TS]

  didn't we didn't really get a reason why [TS]

  Amy likes him other than oh I guess she [TS]

  does because she's grown up with them so [TS]

  I mean I'm kind of hoping for next [TS]

  season that we actually since he looks [TS]

  to be towards getting a permanent member [TS]

  on the on the TARDIS let's hope that he [TS]

  actually get some character development [TS]

  is a little like when you have a [TS]

  beginning he actually got somewhere to [TS]

  yeah right yeah right but Rory man [TS]

  cranking yeah all the little the wilted [TS]

  kind of boyfriend who can't compare with [TS]

  the doctor but is concerned about it you [TS]

  know really becomes kick-ass does the [TS]

  time yeah Mickey gets the alternate [TS]

  seven haha delivers we know everything [TS]

  gets better with Zeppelin's that's how [TS]

  you know you've fallen into a crack and [TS]

  come out in an alternate universe just [TS]

  watch for the air ships in the sky [TS]

  that's how it works yeah i think my a [TS]

  high point is actually really totally [TS]

  obscure and that while vampires of [TS]

  venice I didn't overall think the [TS]

  episode was stellar [TS]

  I think the point at which matt smith [TS]

  has the conversation with anybody [TS]

  remember what the the aliens are called [TS]

  the vampire aliens imagine the vampires [TS]

  you know when when when he has a [TS]

  conversation with the with the mother [TS]

  about you know saving her race versus [TS]

  you know you're you know you're alone [TS]

  like us and we're math Smith basically [TS]

  takes a very hard stand against that and [TS]

  it's just like no I'm sorry it has to be [TS]

  you know for the good of for the good of [TS]

  all I think he takes like a nice left [TS]

  turn from tenant at that point where [TS]

  it's just like okay here's the final [TS]

  sever in terms of i'm not going to be [TS]

  sad and weepy over the loss of my race [TS]

  and I'm gonna go forward so I thought [TS]

  that was like really nice high point you [TS]

  know I i think i had a lot of low points [TS]

  this season I i really like the good [TS]

  episodes and I thought there were [TS]

  several like the Dalek resurrection the [TS]

  victory of the Daleks and it was mostly [TS]

  stupid although i liked the acting quite [TS]

  a lot of the big fan of the guy play [TS]

  Winston Churchill I thought hungry earth [TS]

  in cold blood were just sort of boring [TS]

  like in very heavy-handed like people [TS]

  are bad but they'll eventually get good [TS]

  and like the narrative device of [TS]

  speaking from hundreds in the future and [TS]

  so forth [TS]

  I really like the larger I thought it [TS]

  was hilarious even though it was [TS]

  essentially the Madame pompadour episode [TS]

  Africa [TS]

  it's called from two seasons before on [TS]

  the fire place for the product which is [TS]

  the best one the best episodes of Davies [TS]

  I think fantastically interesting was [TS]

  very much name right now we're oh yeah [TS]

  of course it is right just like Douglas [TS]

  Adams you know you know that Douglas [TS]

  Adams hoping doctor who that either was [TS]

  produced or not produced became either a [TS]

  book or another thing same thing so but [TS]

  no I think I think my favorite moment I [TS]

  have to say weirdly enough was in the [TS]

  Amy's choice that dream Lord episode [TS]

  there was a moment when i actually was [TS]

  teary when Rory died where I don't [TS]

  really care about much of the character [TS]

  but like he dies to save his unborn [TS]

  child and his wife or his brother's wife [TS]

  in the that alternate version reality [TS]

  she then kills herself or thinks she may [TS]

  because you want to live in a world is [TS]

  very sure this could be the real world [TS]

  kind of music [TS]

  no i didn't i honestly didn't know right [TS]

  now I just want him [TS]

  this is sort of romantic crazy thing [TS]

  with my old people as monsters it was [TS]

  like very doctor who like old people [TS]

  with cheap weird eyeballs sticking out [TS]

  of their mouths and green gas that [TS]

  dissolve people in strange old country [TS]

  has and people climbing up Ivy walls and [TS]

  stuff and you know some crummy [TS]

  special-effects made modern a good CGI [TS]

  but still sort of crummy ideas of [TS]

  special-effects and but the actual human [TS]

  race like he throws himself in front of [TS]

  the window to save his wife and I was [TS]

  like you know this thing is once you [TS]

  become a parent I think everything [TS]

  involving children makes you we be if [TS]

  anything happens even fictional and so I [TS]

  think that got me most of all but [TS]

  they're all fine and well that's I think [TS]

  that's a great point which it i thought [TS]

  that the death scene of Rory in Amy's [TS]

  choice was so affecting and her [TS]

  sacrifice because she didn't want to [TS]

  live in a world with Rory without Rory [TS]

  was so affecting who wants to live in a [TS]

  world with right now that keeps getting [TS]

  your wish episodes later when he gets [TS]

  like accidentally hit by a thing from [TS]

  the sea devils and and falls the crack [TS]

  it's just it and added that was I [TS]

  thought the low point of the season [TS]

  where I thought it had gone off the [TS]

  rails with a two-parter where where will [TS]

  you get this i thought his death was [TS]

  much more effective in the other episode [TS]

  then the one where it's the real death [TS]

  that they went to the well too many [TS]

  times now I said that was a bad star [TS]

  trek the next generation episode right [TS]

  now into the gym and our masks are deep [TS]

  space nine gym in our reference but on [TS]

  the honesty Devils which were apparently [TS]

  they had designed something that was a [TS]

  little more like the classic series men [TS]

  decided no no we're gonna go with the [TS]

  star trek masks and stuff for me I think [TS]

  that was my level 3 with plan that [TS]

  victory of the Daleks was was dumb and [TS]

  it didn't need to be done and I felt [TS]

  like they had a great story in there and [TS]

  then they buried it because Steven [TS]

  Moffat marketers play the game of saying [TS]

  let's throw in some Spitfires in space [TS]

  and some other things and just put them [TS]

  all in the pot when I gotta forget the [TS]

  price is quite as you want to get remind [TS]

  me of that [TS]

  and and we've added a Dalek to the [TS]

  ground was moving you purposely no i did [TS]

  not know John he's not exactly crawling [TS]

  up [TS]

  you do sound like a girl like me out on [TS]

  a picture in the dog that's been really [TS]

  offended me about is that the store [TS]

  Daleks saying that they were helping [TS]

  them win the war and carrying around he [TS]

  was so hilarious and it was gone in like [TS]

  five minutes and date that that's the [TS]

  sort of thing that in the classic Doctor [TS]

  Who that would have been an entire [TS]

  episode and then the plan would have [TS]

  been revealed at the end and instead it [TS]

  wasn't even half the episode and I [TS]

  thought that was really disappointing [TS]

  and all we got out of that was this sort [TS]

  of imaginations on the debt spaceship at [TS]

  the end and and and it was like a great [TS]

  idea that was just all wrong in the [TS]

  balance of it and my high point I'm [TS]

  gonna say is the larger because I know a [TS]

  lot of fans hated just like they hated [TS]

  of Monsters is negated you know they're [TS]

  all these all these kind of oddball [TS]

  episodes that people hate that are a [TS]

  little bit off format and I thought the [TS]

  larger was greater hilarious [TS]

  I thought show it was to show getting [TS]

  its footing back with those two episodes [TS]

  with Amy's choice in the larger and if [TS]

  you don't like the larger you're not [TS]

  hooked up right here i want to mention i [TS]

  want more favorite thing my favorite [TS]

  thing now he's now now please i'll come [TS]

  right I'm young and I love Amelia our [TS]

  actors is fantastic [TS]

  she's hilarious and perfect and there's [TS]

  something she has like the McGill other [TS]

  Karen Gillian I actually not a big fan [TS]

  of I think she's fine but I don't think [TS]

  she brings that kind of hardcore like [TS]

  billie piper or anything actually almost [TS]

  any of the Companions listed like Billie [TS]

  Piper you know she seemed like this slip [TS]

  of a girl and blah blah blah living the [TS]

  council flats and was like man they [TS]

  really wrote and she was able to act a [TS]

  solid core she did the right thing she [TS]

  knew what to do and I feel like it's an [TS]

  act for mostly actress and the [TS]

  characters written but young Amelia [TS]

  characters written but young Amelia [TS]

  sexually I think a lot of ways better [TS]

  but you can't traipse around the [TS]

  universe 18 year old patient i love the [TS]

  fact that the entire series begins the [TS]

  first proper after the opening credits [TS]

  with a young girl in her window praying [TS]

  to Santa class that's the the I want to [TS]

  actually disagree with you Jason for a [TS]

  second yes I show is over android at the [TS]

  haha in Amy's choice when he died and it [TS]

  was so poignant amy was so upset about [TS]

  it that she kills herself and the doctor [TS]

  because she doesn't want to live in that [TS]

  world that made Rory's death and his [TS]

  actually not never being born I think [TS]

  more poignant because she had that [TS]

  reaction that she's like I'm going to [TS]

  kill myself than be without this person [TS]

  and then for the rest of the series [TS]

  she didn't know he was even there it [TS]

  felt more waiting because of that [TS]

  earlier argument that did that did build [TS]

  on that but then when they brought him [TS]

  back it's like why did you bother why [TS]

  did you bother making trying to make us [TS]

  care about him taking him away not [TS]

  letting her know he was gone but then [TS]

  bring him back anyway you know Jason why [TS]

  I agree with you on a purely kind of [TS]

  like rational basis like yes I can see [TS]

  why you would do in order to make that [TS]

  point later and get emotionally you [TS]

  didn't feel it didn't feel it felt like [TS]

  we already did that and why are they [TS]

  trying to do it are the jerking our [TS]

  chain again and in fact is as John quite [TS]

  rightly points out [TS]

  yeah they were jerking our chain again [TS]

  they killed this guy twice and brought [TS]

  him back twice in the span of like five [TS]

  episodes and it's a that's a mistake and [TS]

  should not have happened for the new [TS]

  captain jack i also like LM can't kill [TS]

  him up one of the best lines where the [TS]

  best bits of ok they really didn't have [TS]

  to go through this they didn't have like [TS]

  the montage of rice pudding 2,000 years [TS]

  guarding the contour kit was like well [TS]

  you're looking good was stated in [TS]

  trouble obviously that's like the whole [TS]

  thing like that was great [TS]

  that's not the case and I'm packing too [TS]

  many plot points into a lot of time or [TS]

  they just together we gotta quickly you [TS]

  know I do love that time travel bit [TS]

  where he keeps amping back and forth [TS]

  well that that I feel like we've [TS]

  embarrassed ourselves and our families [TS]

  in knowing so much about Doctor Who and [TS]

  that's okay i've been trying to get this [TS]

  off my chest for years well so we often [TS]

  talked and talked about Steven Moffat [TS]

  various things and we still didn't talk [TS]

  about press-gang oh it's a shame and [TS]

  coupling a BB beside us a brief sojourn [TS]

  into talking about how Jeff is [TS]

  representative of the doctor which he's [TS]

  from Wales to so there you go [TS]

  that doesn't mean anyway I feel like [TS]

  we've reached the end for now because [TS]

  people are probably pulling out their [TS]

  headphones and saying how long is this [TS]

  podcast anyway you said it wouldn't be [TS]

  this number and edit edit the [TS]

  neverending podcast so I want to go [TS]

  around the horn again and thank [TS]

  everybody for being here so Jason thank [TS]

  you very much thanks for having me and [TS]

  Morgan thanks a lot [TS]

  thank you John siracusa thank you for [TS]

  bringing your yourself and your Dalek [TS]

  voice with you anytime [TS]

  Glenn flight when you crank it up to 10 [TS]

  today pleasure and serenity called well [TS]

  thank you very much thank you and uh I [TS]

  think that's everybody unless there's [TS]

  somebody we forgot [TS]

  look under the table else that's that's [TS]

  about it [TS]

  I'm Jason's no thank you for listening [TS]

  to the incomparable podcast join us [TS]

  again next time when the subject will be [TS]

  spending wheelchair movies i believe [TS]

  until then thanks for listening to next [TS]

  time that Leslie and comfortable test [TS]

  can you believe it is finally over I was [TS]

  the time was seen to get an hour of my [TS]

  life back [TS]

  visit us at the time trouble tom [TS]

  set just had the incomparable [TS]

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