The Incomparable

296: The Official Batman


00:00:02   the incomparable number 296 April 2016 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:12   uncomfortable on your host Jason Steele [TS]

00:00:13   we're here to talk as everybody has [TS]

00:00:16   demanded about Batman and that's right [TS]

00:00:19   that's why we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:20   about that man [TS]

00:00:22   the animated series a bad man that [TS]

00:00:25   people want to watch doing that's all [TS]

00:00:30   because they do join me to talk about a [TS]

00:00:32   classic perhaps the definitive Batman [TS]

00:00:34   will see what people have to say about [TS]

00:00:36   it [TS]

00:00:37   we've got a fantastic panel here David [TS]

00:00:39   jail or is here [TS]

00:00:40   hello hello you use the adjective i was [TS]

00:00:42   going to use definitive then thank you i [TS]

00:00:45   have the playwright approves my [TS]

00:00:48   adjective I'd did more and also joins us [TS]

00:00:51   hide and i am the night [TS]

00:00:53   I mean hi hey let's go get some in your [TS]

00:00:56   throat there i think i do I sorry i got [TS]

00:00:58   some tea hero but Shannon sudderth also [TS]

00:01:01   joins us hello Lefty easy joining us for [TS]

00:01:04   the very first time but a familiar name [TS]

00:01:08   if you read the old TV website which is [TS]

00:01:11   essentially what spawned being [TS]

00:01:12   comfortable but it's his first and [TS]

00:01:14   comfortable podcast you weighed almost [TS]

00:01:16   300 episodes but you finally did its [TS]

00:01:17   Nathan alderman I Nathan howdy [TS]

00:01:20   and finally the cut one of the Cardinals [TS]

00:01:25   of the Church of Batman Tony sindelar [TS]

00:01:27   hello nerds home so dark so menacing so [TS]

00:01:32   threatening that is the voice of a great [TS]

00:01:34   detective the org chart in the Church of [TS]

00:01:36   Batman is complicated [TS]

00:01:38   it's very shadowy not all there's a lot [TS]

00:01:40   of dash lines not a lot of straight [TS]

00:01:42   lines [TS]

00:01:42   no I would imagine it's always Ashline [TS]

00:01:44   'he's and the collar shadows kind of [TS]

00:01:46   clouds and what's the question marks at [TS]

00:01:48   the very least I'm a gray eminence maybe [TS]

00:01:50   not a dark eminence you ingrate and [TS]

00:01:51   never know we can't working Batman yes [TS]

00:01:53   that's true [TS]

00:01:54   does every sermon in the Church of [TS]

00:01:55   Batman have to be delivered in like a [TS]

00:01:57   deep husky girl that 10 your throat [TS]

00:02:01   he's always watching you Batman mom he [TS]

00:02:05   knows if you've been naughty or nice [TS]

00:02:06   spoiler it's always naughty Tony tell us [TS]

00:02:10   why we chose to watch batman the [TS]

00:02:12   animated series and you give us a list [TS]

00:02:14   of episodes to watch how you know there [TS]

00:02:17   was a lot of talk about [TS]

00:02:18   Batman vs Superman uh a lot of people [TS]

00:02:21   ask me what are my feelings on Batman vs [TS]

00:02:23   Superman that is not a question I felt [TS]

00:02:26   qualified to answer because i have not [TS]

00:02:27   seen Batman or Superman me I'll see it [TS]

00:02:30   someday but i am not in any rush like if [TS]

00:02:33   it finds me i'm waiting for it i'm [TS]

00:02:35   waiting for batman superman that damn [TS]

00:02:37   well I you Tony Allen tired of that man [TS]

00:02:40   it has remained neutral on Batman vs [TS]

00:02:42   Superman up to have not made a statement [TS]

00:02:44   either way [TS]

00:02:45   yeah it right there like either agnostic [TS]

00:02:47   is there a schism here is there like [TS]

00:02:49   that man is different things to [TS]

00:02:51   different people and there are some [TS]

00:02:54   people who you know Batman or Superman [TS]

00:02:55   is the Batman they need i am from the [TS]

00:02:59   the tradition that sees batman the [TS]

00:03:01   animated series as the eyes [TS]

00:03:04   batman batman the animated series uh you [TS]

00:03:07   know if this error in the early nineties [TS]

00:03:09   i was a a you know medium-sized child [TS]

00:03:11   not quite a teenager yet and i would [TS]

00:03:14   come home and I would watch this every [TS]

00:03:16   day and it was basically the best part [TS]

00:03:17   about my childhood so it's gonna be [TS]

00:03:20   really great when other people feel like [TS]

00:03:21   Lester about it looking at you Jason i [TS]

00:03:26   will explain it so so this series began [TS]

00:03:29   to air why you were your mediums its [TS]

00:03:32   child I was uh I think I was probably I [TS]

00:03:35   was 11 or 12 when I was watching it so [TS]

00:03:37   this was this actually premiered when i [TS]

00:03:39   started grad school [TS]

00:03:40   I'm I left College went to grad school I [TS]

00:03:44   was not watching television at this [TS]

00:03:46   point very much because i was doing lots [TS]

00:03:49   of other stuff and I completely missed [TS]

00:03:52   it completely missed it so for this you [TS]

00:03:54   you assigned all of us some episodes to [TS]

00:03:57   watch these are the only episodes of the [TS]

00:03:58   series that I've ever seen but I watched [TS]

00:04:00   all of them so i picked 10 episodes i [TS]

00:04:02   can talk a little bit about why I tried [TS]

00:04:04   to pick those but it is hard this is [TS]

00:04:05   you know there are many episodes for the [TS]

00:04:06   ship the show and I tried to pick 10 and [TS]

00:04:09   some several of those 10 are two [TS]

00:04:10   partners [TS]

00:04:11   yes I because batman the animated series [TS]

00:04:12   has some great two partners but that [TS]

00:04:13   limits kind of the number of like little [TS]

00:04:16   stories you get to fit in 10 but you [TS]

00:04:17   know I thought ten was like a very nice [TS]

00:04:19   package and some of those were like [TS]

00:04:22   things that are my favorite episodes and [TS]

00:04:23   some of those were episodes i thought [TS]

00:04:25   might appeal to Jason who was seeing for [TS]

00:04:27   the first time and some of them were the [TS]

00:04:28   ones that I thought were like the best [TS]

00:04:29   episodes [TS]

00:04:30   the most important representatives see [TS]

00:04:33   let's check out everybody else first [TS]

00:04:35   about their experience we now know that [TS]

00:04:36   i didn't watch it and tony was a [TS]

00:04:37   medium-sized child who watched it was [TS]

00:04:39   the best thing about his childhood so I [TS]

00:04:41   let's see how everybody else feels where [TS]

00:04:44   what was your exposure to Batman the [TS]

00:04:46   Animated Series dan I like Tony's house [TS]

00:04:49   a little bit old and holding but not by [TS]

00:04:50   much i remember watching it in junior [TS]

00:04:52   high school [TS]

00:04:53   i specially I have a very distinct [TS]

00:04:55   memory there is one of those days when [TS]

00:04:57   we were in school and there's like a [TS]

00:04:59   rumor going around i don't know what [TS]

00:05:01   spawned it but as as happens in schools [TS]

00:05:03   account today today is going to be the [TS]

00:05:05   end the end of the world today at like [TS]

00:05:07   like four o'clock or something like that [TS]

00:05:09   you know one of those doomsday cult type [TS]

00:05:11   predictions that 11 and 12 year old so [TS]

00:05:14   you really like and I remember applying [TS]

00:05:16   I hope not because Batman is on at five [TS]

00:05:18   so i started watching very like Tony I [TS]

00:05:22   would come home and i would i would [TS]

00:05:24   watch it in the in the afternoon and for [TS]

00:05:28   me I think the most exciting thing about [TS]

00:05:30   this not that i was in an enormous [TS]

00:05:32   Batman fan going in but was there was [TS]

00:05:35   something about they show that was [TS]

00:05:36   clearly set apart from the other [TS]

00:05:38   cartoons that i was watching at the time [TS]

00:05:40   yeah i enjoyed liked your Animaniacs and [TS]

00:05:43   Tiny Toons your things they're a little [TS]

00:05:44   more comedic but the fact that this [TS]

00:05:46   wasn't this was a cartoon that was first [TS]

00:05:48   of all not played for laughs at all [TS]

00:05:50   pretty much I mean there's there's some [TS]

00:05:51   comedy here and there but most of the [TS]

00:05:53   episodes tend to veer a little bit more [TS]

00:05:55   towards the serious side if a lot darker [TS]

00:05:58   than a lot of the the cartoons i was [TS]

00:06:00   watching which appealed to me as someone [TS]

00:06:01   who was you know preteen right there and [TS]

00:06:05   I think I what I like the most about it [TS]

00:06:07   was that especially as the show went on [TS]

00:06:09   you do have these see realized stories [TS]

00:06:13   often broken into a couple parts and for [TS]

00:06:16   me there is no greater thrill than like [TS]

00:06:17   you know attorney on it like previously [TS]

00:06:19   on Batman look at that was not a thing [TS]

00:06:21   that you saw in cartoons like for the [TS]

00:06:23   most part [TS]

00:06:24   occasionally you get some like Japanese [TS]

00:06:26   import like redub Johnnie Mae and that [TS]

00:06:28   would have sort of an ongoing story but [TS]

00:06:30   what this was one of the first American [TS]

00:06:32   cartoons that I remember watching as a [TS]

00:06:33   kid that actually continued from episode [TS]

00:06:36   to episode and as someone who loves [TS]

00:06:37   cereal storytelling that really appealed [TS]

00:06:40   to me and not just in the direct you [TS]

00:06:42   know you [TS]

00:06:42   have a lot to partners but as the series [TS]

00:06:44   went on we added new characters existing [TS]

00:06:47   characters got developed you know [TS]

00:06:48   villains would recur and and it felt [TS]

00:06:52   like there was change happening here [TS]

00:06:53   which is a little silly to say in a [TS]

00:06:55   comic book series in some ways because [TS]

00:06:56   like you know the big thing I think he [TS]

00:06:59   was like that man kind of never really [TS]

00:07:00   changes right like that's that's kind of [TS]

00:07:03   his his stick but the especially as I [TS]

00:07:07   got back and revisit the voice acting [TS]

00:07:09   you know so many of these characters to [TS]

00:07:10   me have become I think I i use the word [TS]

00:07:12   with you earlier Jason definitive in my [TS]

00:07:15   head Kevin Conroy is as entertaining to [TS]

00:07:17   Erica Andy and Batman especially is like [TS]

00:07:20   the Batman that I remember mark hamill's [TS]

00:07:22   Joker is of course the sort of to be the [TS]

00:07:24   definitive Joker and as those characters [TS]

00:07:27   have gone if they've betrayed them in a [TS]

00:07:28   number of forms including some of the [TS]

00:07:29   video games later on and and this the [TS]

00:07:32   designs of the characters even so I i [TS]

00:07:35   think that for me this really set my [TS]

00:07:38   expectations of who Batman wasn't this [TS]

00:07:40   comes a couple years after the first and [TS]

00:07:42   and second i think michael keaton movies [TS]

00:07:44   but those felt those were kinda too old [TS]

00:07:46   or too young [TS]

00:07:47   I I was too young i felt in some ways [TS]

00:07:49   for those are at least they were a [TS]

00:07:50   little darker than I was prepared for [TS]

00:07:52   that age so this really i think defined [TS]

00:07:55   you know what Batman was to me I'd seem [TS]

00:07:57   like the Adam West series earlier on I [TS]

00:08:00   think I had a pair of Batman pajamas [TS]

00:08:01   they had like a velcro tape that was [TS]

00:08:02   pretty sweet but yeah this to me is a [TS]

00:08:06   kevin conroy i will always remain my [TS]

00:08:08   Batman and the show is still fantastic [TS]

00:08:12   right David what was your experience [TS]

00:08:14   with batman the animated series i had [TS]

00:08:17   seen several you know I grown up with [TS]

00:08:19   several iterations of Batman and the [TS]

00:08:21   Adam West one was on all the certainly [TS]

00:08:23   was usually both yes so you know that [TS]

00:08:26   was that was my main thing i saw the [TS]

00:08:27   Filmation cartoon versions in the [TS]

00:08:29   seventies were okay [TS]

00:08:31   they were great they were better than [TS]

00:08:32   Superfriends and so you know when the [TS]

00:08:35   michael keaton the first one hit i was [TS]

00:08:38   really excited like okay we're gonna see [TS]

00:08:40   at a good Batman this is great and so [TS]

00:08:43   the animated series hit just about when [TS]

00:08:45   batman returns came out which explains [TS]

00:08:49   it you how Catwoman's relationship in [TS]

00:08:51   the in the cartoon series [TS]

00:08:53   developed its it's like spun off of that [TS]

00:08:56   and so yeah I was ready for it when it [TS]

00:09:00   premiered it premiered on fox on sunday [TS]

00:09:03   night at seven with with the first [TS]

00:09:05   episode with man-bat and I was sitting [TS]

00:09:07   there with a couple of my friends from [TS]

00:09:09   high school who were just starting [TS]

00:09:11   graduate school and I was like I I don't [TS]

00:09:15   care what else we do tonight we are [TS]

00:09:17   going to watch batman right now and they [TS]

00:09:19   they said that they were hooked and then [TS]

00:09:22   when the actual series started my mother [TS]

00:09:25   got hooked just walking through and [TS]

00:09:27   seeing it going hey that's actually good [TS]

00:09:30   because I mean I I'd grown up again on [TS]

00:09:33   the shadow and zoro and you know all the [TS]

00:09:35   things that influence Batman and this [TS]

00:09:38   really harkens back to that style both [TS]

00:09:41   visually a little bit but just in terms [TS]

00:09:43   of storytelling but with more maturity [TS]

00:09:45   it's it's much better written than most [TS]

00:09:47   of the old influences on it so yeah I i [TS]

00:09:51   made what time to watch it even though I [TS]

00:09:54   was in my twenties by that point and [TS]

00:09:56   every iteration of the show that came [TS]

00:09:58   out after that you know the new Batman [TS]

00:10:00   adventures the Batman and Robin [TS]

00:10:02   adventures and and then Superman I'm not [TS]

00:10:04   even a big Superman fan i watched their [TS]

00:10:06   version of superman that went along with [TS]

00:10:09   this and then of course the Justice [TS]

00:10:12   League series is and all the animated [TS]

00:10:15   films that have come since then and and [TS]

00:10:17   yeah that's that's why i say this is [TS]

00:10:19   definitive I i'm really not all that [TS]

00:10:22   interest I I like this better than the [TS]

00:10:24   Christopher Nolan films even the ones [TS]

00:10:27   that i like you know this is Batman to [TS]

00:10:30   me because this is a plausible [TS]

00:10:31   continuing life of a superhero the [TS]

00:10:36   big-budget movies are big explodey [TS]

00:10:38   things I mean what we get one Joker [TS]

00:10:41   story and then he dies until they [TS]

00:10:43   rebooted and we get one Joker story and [TS]

00:10:45   he dies it's like no no this is how this [TS]

00:10:49   works this is a comic book [TS]

00:10:51   Nathan what's your idea what's your [TS]

00:10:53   relationship with the animated series [TS]

00:10:54   III I get the sense that you liked it a [TS]

00:10:57   lot [TS]

00:10:57   oh ok [TS]

00:10:58   actually I remember watching it the day [TS]

00:11:03   it premiered which is actually on a [TS]

00:11:04   Saturday before the man bad episode on [TS]

00:11:06   the sunday they shared the very first [TS]

00:11:09   episode on a saturday morning i remember [TS]

00:11:11   sitting down with my brother I'd read [TS]

00:11:13   about it i read about it a few years [TS]

00:11:15   before it came out in some promotional [TS]

00:11:17   magazine that Warner Brothers sent out [TS]

00:11:19   that somehow wound it's found its way [TS]

00:11:21   into my middle school journalism [TS]

00:11:22   classroom but i still remember my [TS]

00:11:25   brother and I parked on the couch we've [TS]

00:11:27   got a tape in the VCR to record it [TS]

00:11:29   the anticipation and then seeing this [TS]

00:11:31   amazing show unfold with these opening [TS]

00:11:33   credits that have no text no titles no [TS]

00:11:36   words just music and images I watched my [TS]

00:11:40   brother and I watched that first episode [TS]

00:11:42   i think four times that weekend alone [TS]

00:11:45   just rewatching because we had never [TS]

00:11:47   seen anything like this in animation we [TS]

00:11:50   both been reading Batman comics for a [TS]

00:11:51   few years you know I like recordings of [TS]

00:11:54   the shadow I was about 13 years old at [TS]

00:11:56   that point and I love like old [TS]

00:11:58   recordings the shadow with Orson Welles [TS]

00:12:00   and and I knew about Frank Miller even [TS]

00:12:02   though I haven't really read his work so [TS]

00:12:04   yeah it is i think what makes it great [TS]

00:12:07   is that it's a synthesis of every good [TS]

00:12:09   aspect of Batman that had come before [TS]

00:12:11   the series throughout every iteration of [TS]

00:12:14   the character you've got like the bright [TS]

00:12:16   primary colors of the very first comics [TS]

00:12:19   you've got some of the the fun Silver [TS]

00:12:21   Age goofiness and like that a little bit [TS]

00:12:24   of the camp from the Batman 66 series [TS]

00:12:26   like in the Riddler's costume design [TS]

00:12:27   you've got the darkness of the movies [TS]

00:12:30   you've got a little Frank Miller in the [TS]

00:12:32   in the squareness of the the character [TS]

00:12:33   designs all these they had all this [TS]

00:12:36   great stuff to pick and choose from and [TS]

00:12:38   then when they didn't have great stuff [TS]

00:12:39   to pick and choose from like with mr. [TS]

00:12:40   freeze [TS]

00:12:41   they created stuff that went on to [TS]

00:12:43   become you know as good as any of the [TS]

00:12:45   stuff that they picked and chose from it [TS]

00:12:47   it's I mean when you think about it this [TS]

00:12:49   is the first animated series that in a [TS]

00:12:51   way that is still totally appropriate [TS]

00:12:52   for kids shows a married couple sharing [TS]

00:12:55   a bed shows an abusive relationship [TS]

00:12:57   which is genuinely terrifying and still [TS]

00:13:01   manages to make it all k kid friendly [TS]

00:13:04   and in a way that kids can understand [TS]

00:13:06   and relate to its it is my favorite [TS]

00:13:09   animated series it's one of my favorite [TS]

00:13:10   TV series so I'm [TS]

00:13:12   the you might notice i'm slightly [TS]

00:13:14   excited to be here and talk about it [TS]

00:13:15   it's good good uh Shannon what about you [TS]

00:13:19   so i would be part of the group that [TS]

00:13:21   started watching this in grad school I [TS]

00:13:25   grew up on the Batman reruns from the [TS]

00:13:28   old Adam West Show and I was a total [TS]

00:13:31   Batgirl phonetic is sort of was my [TS]

00:13:34   gateway into it when I was very young [TS]

00:13:36   and gettin older was excited for the the [TS]

00:13:41   first batman movie at this point I was [TS]

00:13:43   in grad school I'd found my tribe and I [TS]

00:13:45   was in a science-fiction club and this [TS]

00:13:48   is one of the things that everybody was [TS]

00:13:49   interested in and talked about loved [TS]

00:13:52   loved the tim burton movies really [TS]

00:13:55   enjoyed that they elevated the comic [TS]

00:13:59   books to this grand big-scale much [TS]

00:14:01   better than any of the TV shows might [TS]

00:14:03   have and then this animated series is [TS]

00:14:06   coming out and I watched anime i watched [TS]

00:14:09   cartoons still I like various cartoons [TS]

00:14:11   and I if I remember correctly there was [TS]

00:14:16   a viewing party with are some of the [TS]

00:14:18   people that are science fiction club [TS]

00:14:19   that you everybody got together and [TS]

00:14:20   somebody's apartment just to watch the [TS]

00:14:23   first episodes and we were like and this [TS]

00:14:28   is smart [TS]

00:14:29   that was one of the things that we [TS]

00:14:30   thought not just not not just good not [TS]

00:14:31   just artistic this cohesive universe [TS]

00:14:35   that they created with the style of the [TS]

00:14:38   the animation of the world creating this [TS]

00:14:40   sort of forties fifties vibe and yet all [TS]

00:14:44   of the computers appliances everything [TS]

00:14:46   completely modern all of this mix [TS]

00:14:49   together just and the use of the [TS]

00:14:51   characters that people have mentioned [TS]

00:14:52   creating or reinventing a classic Batman [TS]

00:14:57   villains creating new interesting [TS]

00:14:58   possibilities and always with this [TS]

00:15:01   balanced sense it's like very few of [TS]

00:15:05   these characters are 100-percent evil so [TS]

00:15:09   many of the origins they create come [TS]

00:15:12   from somebody who you know mr. freeze [TS]

00:15:14   that will be talking about in a few [TS]

00:15:16   minutes when we get to the actual [TS]

00:15:16   episodes it that the animated series [TS]

00:15:19   take is this was just a guy trying to [TS]

00:15:22   save his wife and this evil corporate do [TS]

00:15:25   good prevents it and apparently kills [TS]

00:15:27   the wife and turns him into the [TS]

00:15:30   supervillain that he became on the [TS]

00:15:33   emotional beats were there in a way that [TS]

00:15:36   I had not seen with um with what any [TS]

00:15:39   other animated cartoon series certainly [TS]

00:15:41   you know with Frank Miller's Dark Knight [TS]

00:15:44   other comics were getting into deeper [TS]

00:15:47   more emotional storytelling about TV [TS]

00:15:49   haven't caught up yet [TS]

00:15:50   and then of course like the others I I [TS]

00:15:53   kept watching the first team universe [TS]

00:15:55   all hail of Superman justice leave don't [TS]

00:15:58   be in Titans I've been paying attention [TS]

00:15:59   and continuing to watch just like a lot [TS]

00:16:02   of you guys and I love rewatching the [TS]

00:16:05   show I've loved introducing it to my [TS]

00:16:06   teenager when he was younger he got into [TS]

00:16:09   it with 19 10 years old somewhere in [TS]

00:16:12   there that all of a sudden he wanted to [TS]

00:16:13   start watching it more like yeah here [TS]

00:16:15   here's the first set of dvds go for it [TS]

00:16:17   so we've always been really appreciative [TS]

00:16:20   of just how well they captured a vision [TS]

00:16:25   of the Batman that took bits for all the [TS]

00:16:27   best bits from all of these different [TS]

00:16:29   sources and made it into something [TS]

00:16:31   definitive no other word for it and and [TS]

00:16:35   tying into something both of you sort of [TS]

00:16:38   hit on the real thing that comes out in [TS]

00:16:41   this there's a difference between mature [TS]

00:16:44   and adult there is a maturing into the [TS]

00:16:47   characters and the writing in this show [TS]

00:16:49   that none of the movies even approach as [TS]

00:16:53   adults in serious and violent yo ho look [TS]

00:16:56   at us we're deep [TS]

00:16:57   no yeah your bombastic this has real [TS]

00:17:01   emotional maturity [TS]

00:17:02   yeah and i think that there's also [TS]

00:17:03   stresses the character of Batman you [TS]

00:17:06   know way I think part of what makes a [TS]

00:17:07   definitive for me is that the Batman [TS]

00:17:10   here is an interesting multi-dimensional [TS]

00:17:13   character who is not I don't know I feel [TS]

00:17:16   like today's Batman is so did yall angst [TS]

00:17:18   all the time right he says she's got [TS]

00:17:20   anyone [TS]

00:17:21   one key yeah yeah he's jingoistic and so [TS]

00:17:24   many of the movies right where it's like [TS]

00:17:26   I'm good and like I the improve our [TS]

00:17:28   playoff the brutality of it which it I [TS]

00:17:30   get you know as sort of a dimension that [TS]

00:17:32   you can explore Batman but you're right [TS]

00:17:34   that's one note whereas here I I mean [TS]

00:17:37   for me there is no better summation of [TS]

00:17:39   the Batman from this and therefore the [TS]

00:17:41   Batman that i consider sort of the [TS]

00:17:42   official Batman then the you know and [TS]

00:17:45   Nathan mentioned the title sequence [TS]

00:17:46   itself there's no dialogue [TS]

00:17:48   there's no words there's no titles and [TS]

00:17:51   yet the story of the title sequences [TS]

00:17:53   itself self-contained I mean it's a [TS]

00:17:55   little pilot for it right [TS]

00:17:57   exactly it's sarah and but like I love [TS]

00:18:00   that he tell you like here's a guy he [TS]

00:18:02   shows up he beats the thugs but he [TS]

00:18:04   doesn't like he doesn't like beat them [TS]

00:18:06   right like he defeats them but without [TS]

00:18:09   like brutalizing them leaves them tied [TS]

00:18:11   up for the police that's his job and [TS]

00:18:13   then he goes off and he stands so elated [TS]

00:18:15   by lightning but like there's something [TS]

00:18:17   about it to me that encapsulate the [TS]

00:18:18   whole idea of this Batman he's a [TS]

00:18:20   vigilante yes but he's a detective and a [TS]

00:18:23   crime solver and there's no there's just [TS]

00:18:26   so much more to him as a character here [TS]

00:18:28   than I think in in pretty much any of [TS]

00:18:31   the other on-screen representations that [TS]

00:18:32   we see the detective element is is one [TS]

00:18:34   of the things I really like about this [TS]

00:18:36   version of batman because I mean that's [TS]

00:18:37   the you know Batman is theoretically the [TS]

00:18:39   world's greatest detective but there's a [TS]

00:18:41   lot of iterations of Batman where he is [TS]

00:18:43   he does not do any detecting work he's [TS]

00:18:45   the world's greatest punter of ninjas [TS]

00:18:46   basically I don't I further i prefer the [TS]

00:18:49   world's greatest detective and and he [TS]

00:18:51   does a lot more and some of that I think [TS]

00:18:52   may be a factor of like this was a kids [TS]

00:18:55   show that was going to play on weekday [TS]

00:18:56   afternoons it so it can't be brutal [TS]

00:18:59   violence and so there's more like [TS]

00:19:00   solving puzzles and especially even like [TS]

00:19:03   the first set of episodes it's kind of [TS]

00:19:04   like more wackier villains and you know [TS]

00:19:07   like that this careful shows up multiple [TS]

00:19:08   times to make people like scared of [TS]

00:19:10   things but like I like that he is he is [TS]

00:19:13   he has an actual detective he does a lot [TS]

00:19:15   across the episodes with like solving [TS]

00:19:17   mysteries and figuring out riddles and [TS]

00:19:19   and solving puzzles [TS]

00:19:20   he does a lot with that disguises and he [TS]

00:19:22   has [TS]

00:19:23   it's more like personas that he takes on [TS]

00:19:25   him and you know that happens in some [TS]

00:19:27   versions of the comics but there's a lot [TS]

00:19:28   of the modern version of Batman that [TS]

00:19:30   kind of like they they they kind of [TS]

00:19:32   dropped that or the detective angle is [TS]

00:19:34   not so much the Batman is detective so [TS]

00:19:36   much as like he's got all these gadgets [TS]

00:19:38   right you know so I mean a recent Batman [TS]

00:19:41   comic i was reading he has like a thing [TS]

00:19:43   in his club so that he can literally [TS]

00:19:44   like touch something and his glove like [TS]

00:19:46   analyzes the DNA and stuff in the [TS]

00:19:48   computer tells them where to go next and [TS]

00:19:49   it's like I mean technically he's doing [TS]

00:19:52   detective work there but it's really [TS]

00:19:53   just he has the fancy as nice as [TS]

00:19:54   computer that money can buy do the [TS]

00:19:56   detective work for him yet in this vs [TS]

00:19:58   Batman is a detective rich in strategic [TS]

00:20:01   and many of them like he's shown as sort [TS]

00:20:03   of a tactician and strategist almost [TS]

00:20:05   more like a soldier in many of the [TS]

00:20:07   movies and TV shows you know he's got [TS]

00:20:09   like smoothie smart about how he engages [TS]

00:20:11   and fights but we never see him being [TS]

00:20:13   particularly clever you know or or smart [TS]

00:20:17   in the sense of like I'm going to [TS]

00:20:19   unravel all these things I agree totally [TS]

00:20:21   Tony that that's that is played up here [TS]

00:20:23   so much more [TS]

00:20:23   not only you know several the characters [TS]

00:20:25   mentioned him as a detective including [TS]

00:20:27   mr. freeze and of course Rachel will [TS]

00:20:29   always calls him detective which is a [TS]

00:20:31   detail I like that a lot [TS]

00:20:32   yeah and I think that that to me is I [TS]

00:20:36   agree totally like this is the Batman I [TS]

00:20:38   want to see because it's the Batman who [TS]

00:20:40   is not solely reliant on his gadgets or [TS]

00:20:42   his ability to beat the crap out of [TS]

00:20:44   other people right like he uses his [TS]

00:20:46   brains and and that's that sets him [TS]

00:20:49   apart in some ways for especially if you [TS]

00:20:51   put them up against someone like [TS]

00:20:52   Superman who is never considered I feel [TS]

00:20:54   like to be particularly smart hero right [TS]

00:20:56   you know and so if you can't beat [TS]

00:20:58   Superman by beating him you know you [TS]

00:21:00   beaten by outsmarting him and there's [TS]

00:21:02   the the famous Justice League bit where [TS]

00:21:04   you know all of the other members of [TS]

00:21:06   Justice League you're stuck somewhere [TS]

00:21:07   they have to like go undercover and [TS]

00:21:09   they're like worried about developing [TS]

00:21:10   their secret identities and Batman's [TS]

00:21:12   just like you know I remember you are [TS]

00:21:14   you are you yeah let's move on I've got [TS]

00:21:17   a file on all of you like come on people [TS]

00:21:19   and and while I would watch the hell out [TS]

00:21:21   of the show called ninja puncher this is [TS]

00:21:24   actually a an aspirational hero to his [TS]

00:21:27   heroic he's just good and he's held up [TS]

00:21:30   as an example by characters in the show [TS]

00:21:32   even which you again you can't say about [TS]

00:21:35   the movies [TS]

00:21:35   yep agreed and he's also he's fallible [TS]

00:21:39   and and mortal which is interesting in [TS]

00:21:41   the comics you know grant morrison kind [TS]

00:21:43   of started the trend of you know the bat [TS]

00:21:45   God he's he's never wrong [TS]

00:21:47   he's always got a contingency for [TS]

00:21:49   everything in this series we've got a [TS]

00:21:50   Batman who catches a cold and sneezing [TS]

00:21:52   and sniffling I met issues we've got one [TS]

00:21:55   where you know in arguably the most [TS]

00:21:57   Batman thing ever the episode opens with [TS]

00:21:59   him brooding on a stone thrown in his [TS]

00:22:01   cave not you know because he has doubts [TS]

00:22:04   that what he's doing is making a [TS]

00:22:05   difference and i love that i think that [TS]

00:22:07   adds a a wonderful nuanced and humanity [TS]

00:22:09   to the character that you don't see you [TS]

00:22:11   in the comics anymore really and in a [TS]

00:22:13   lot definitely a lot of these [TS]

00:22:14   adaptations so if somebody who I was in [TS]

00:22:17   college when the Michael Keaton Batman [TS]

00:22:19   came out i was struck that obviously the [TS]

00:22:21   theme music here is the danny elfman [TS]

00:22:23   Batman theme which I love I loved that [TS]

00:22:25   whole score album from the the the tim [TS]

00:22:28   burton original batman with Michael [TS]

00:22:30   Keaton and I feel like that that movie [TS]

00:22:32   because it lifted so much from so many [TS]

00:22:35   different areas that had like old cars [TS]

00:22:38   and you know the design of the Batmobile [TS]

00:22:41   that it it in some ways I I don't know [TS]

00:22:45   the backstory here but it struck me that [TS]

00:22:46   maybe it gave this series the freedom to [TS]

00:22:50   have some interesting art direction and [TS]

00:22:53   have this be this kind of retro feeling [TS]

00:22:55   it is the show in terms of style it [TS]

00:22:59   isn't shiny and new and modern it's very [TS]

00:23:02   kind of throwback and in that in that [TS]

00:23:05   period I mean that was what the temper [TS]

00:23:07   and Batman was to it was it was not [TS]

00:23:09   something that looked modern it looked [TS]

00:23:11   like some kind of indeterminate time [TS]

00:23:13   where there was modern things but there [TS]

00:23:15   was always also like old cars and old [TS]

00:23:18   technology and a really fun combination [TS]

00:23:20   of that so I was struck by that to that [TS]

00:23:22   the the the tim burton Batman I feel [TS]

00:23:24   like maybe I gave them the freedom to do [TS]

00:23:28   something that wasn't maybe something [TS]

00:23:30   they could have done on their own [TS]

00:23:31   without that taking the lead and that [TS]

00:23:33   was one thing that Gotham is actually [TS]

00:23:35   the one thing that Gotham has done [TS]

00:23:36   really well as a TV show is follow in [TS]

00:23:38   that footsteps of creating like the [TS]

00:23:40   there are computers but everything is [TS]

00:23:42   kind of old and seems like it's from [TS]

00:23:44   some weird like Hades fifties mashup [TS]

00:23:47   time period like I mean that [TS]

00:23:49   it's got a bat computer in this right [TS]

00:23:50   but like there's also airships yet up so [TS]

00:23:54   yeah I agree [TS]

00:23:55   it feels fantastic goal which is nice i [TS]

00:23:57   would say the Batman character to you [TS]

00:24:00   know if you look at keeton in the [TS]

00:24:01   nineteen eighty-nine Batman it's not [TS]

00:24:04   that far off from the animated series [TS]

00:24:06   Batman in some ways he's he's not you [TS]

00:24:10   know it's not it's not quite the same [TS]

00:24:11   but you can see how that was kind of an [TS]

00:24:13   antecedent because you know obviously [TS]

00:24:14   this as a franchise like what we want to [TS]

00:24:16   stay sort of on brand with the franchise [TS]

00:24:18   before totally spun out of control with [TS]

00:24:20   the the later the later movies so i [TS]

00:24:23   could see i could sort of see that so [TS]

00:24:24   anyway I was struck by that is somebody [TS]

00:24:26   who's seen that Bert tim burton's batman [TS]

00:24:28   movie 20 x 30 x to have some little [TS]

00:24:32   connection to do that here [TS]

00:24:35   I mean it was key to batman returns so [TS]

00:24:37   they wanted to keep a certain [TS]

00:24:39   consistency there and that's you know [TS]

00:24:41   that's why the element is there that's [TS]

00:24:43   why the the design of the car is not [TS]

00:24:45   exact but it's close [TS]

00:24:47   I think something else that maybe comes [TS]

00:24:50   from the michael keaton movies maybe [TS]

00:24:52   other sources that I really like about [TS]

00:24:55   the animated series is how Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:24:58   is also if there were interesting [TS]

00:25:01   capable kind of guy he's not the Adam [TS]

00:25:04   West who's just bless his heart [TS]

00:25:07   different densities is just kind of [TS]

00:25:10   there and bubbling until he puts on the [TS]

00:25:13   Cape but you know the the animated [TS]

00:25:15   series makes Bruce Wayne just as much of [TS]

00:25:18   a character in his house his Batman [TS]

00:25:19   percent he's not terribly interesting [TS]

00:25:22   human too often Bruce Wayne is as they [TS]

00:25:25   say as a robert wall says in the 99th [TS]

00:25:28   batman bruce vain [TS]

00:25:30   he's just this playboy nobody nobody [TS]

00:25:33   likes and in Denver's made the series i [TS]

00:25:36   was struck by that Bruce Wayne sharp [TS]

00:25:38   he's a smart businessman operative he's [TS]

00:25:40   negotiating deals he's got yeah he's [TS]

00:25:42   like an actual character nerds like to [TS]

00:25:43   argue about like which which version is [TS]

00:25:45   is real like this is Batman Batman or [TS]

00:25:47   his batman bruce wayne and which one [TS]

00:25:49   which one is the like the persona verse [TS]

00:25:51   which one is really him and batman the [TS]

00:25:53   animated series does a pretty good job [TS]

00:25:54   at making them both be people which [TS]

00:25:57   which which makes that nerd argument you [TS]

00:25:59   know either more boring or less internal [TS]

00:26:01   totally changed it outright [TS]

00:26:02   I just the same yeah he's doing is using [TS]

00:26:04   his brain power is Batman he's using his [TS]

00:26:05   brain power is Bruce Wayne same guy he's [TS]

00:26:08   a smart cutter other versions of Batman [TS]

00:26:10   Bruce Wayne is just you know other right [TS]

00:26:13   right well it's you when you go back to [TS]

00:26:15   the the influences you've got the [TS]

00:26:17   scarlet pimpernel and sorrow where their [TS]

00:26:19   alter egos are usually just a fop right [TS]

00:26:22   it's like or the danger I can't bear the [TS]

00:26:25   danger and then you have the shadow [TS]

00:26:27   where sometimes depending on who who was [TS]

00:26:29   writing and who's performing it [TS]

00:26:31   sometimes lot Cranston is fully capable [TS]

00:26:33   sometimes he's a fob but mostly he's [TS]

00:26:36   pretty capable and this Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:26:38   follows and in that shadow Lamont [TS]

00:26:40   Cranston tradition but which again I [TS]

00:26:42   love and to the point we also get [TS]

00:26:44   episodes that center around Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:26:47   where Batman right is more peripheral [TS]

00:26:50   which is interesting we don't see that [TS]

00:26:52   in a lot of places and full credit once [TS]

00:26:53   again to kevin conroy who does a great [TS]

00:26:56   job with 2 totally like distinct voice [TS]

00:26:58   like you can always tell when is Bruce [TS]

00:27:00   Wayne and you can always tell his batman [TS]

00:27:02   and even sometimes when he looks like [TS]

00:27:04   Bruce Wayne but he's like talking Alfred [TS]

00:27:05   or something you say hi [TS]

00:27:06   yeah love it love it so good he is so [TS]

00:27:10   good at conveying those two separate [TS]

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00:28:45   want to say a little bit about why you [TS]

00:28:46   pick the episode to pick for us to watch [TS]

00:28:48   or rewatch sure to do so we kind of hop [TS]

00:28:51   through each one and chat about the [TS]

00:28:53   let's do it [TS]

00:28:54   so the first one I picked I believe it [TS]

00:28:57   gets tricky in terms of when you whether [TS]

00:28:59   you look at like production numbers or [TS]

00:29:00   airing order but I've got it labeled as [TS]

00:29:02   episode 14 hard advice you'll notice [TS]

00:29:05   that we did we we skipped a bunch right [TS]

00:29:07   we didn't didn't make you watch the [TS]

00:29:08   first one or the second one anything [TS]

00:29:10   like that because batman the animated [TS]

00:29:11   series get something right that a movie [TS]

00:29:14   seemed to be struggling with many [TS]

00:29:15   decades later in that there is no origin [TS]

00:29:17   story episode of batman the animated [TS]

00:29:19   series we get little bits and flavors of [TS]

00:29:22   his origin and that fits into things [TS]

00:29:23   especially with there are characters [TS]

00:29:25   that persuade interacts with the new him [TS]

00:29:27   before he was Batman and there's some [TS]

00:29:28   some backstory episodes and things like [TS]

00:29:30   that but there is no origin episode so I [TS]

00:29:32   just I just jumped many episodes in [TS]

00:29:34   sohar device is the the introduction of [TS]

00:29:38   mr. freeze [TS]

00:29:40   Mr Freeze is one of my favorite Batman [TS]

00:29:42   villains and this was kind of a [TS]

00:29:44   reinvention of the Mr Freeze character [TS]

00:29:46   he was always kind of a wacky kind of [TS]

00:29:49   mischievous kind of character before and [TS]

00:29:51   this is like the dark tragic reimagining [TS]

00:29:53   of him where his he's a cryogenic [TS]

00:29:57   scientist and his his wife is killed by [TS]

00:29:59   capitalism home or in an incompetent / [TS]

00:30:04   are actually mile / be played by Mark [TS]

00:30:07   Hamill are who doesn't of writing voices [TS]

00:30:09   was notably the Joker I had trouble [TS]

00:30:11   noticing him in this episode because it [TS]

00:30:13   uses actual voice instead of the Joker [TS]

00:30:14   voice I was like why is that voice [TS]

00:30:16   sounds so familiar [TS]

00:30:17   so this is probably not the strongest [TS]

00:30:19   one but i did want i want to kind of a [TS]

00:30:21   range of [TS]

00:30:22   Batman villains to appear on the list [TS]

00:30:24   because there's a lot of I mean I the [TS]

00:30:26   bet the anime series versions of the [TS]

00:30:28   Batman villains in addition to being [TS]

00:30:30   like the best version of Batman in my in [TS]

00:30:31   my opinion it also has some of the best [TS]

00:30:33   versions of many of the classic villains [TS]

00:30:35   and reinventions last introductions of [TS]

00:30:38   villains I mean especially mr. freeze [TS]

00:30:40   kind of tragic in that this is like this [TS]

00:30:41   great reinvention of him and then like [TS]

00:30:43   five years later we get the arnold [TS]

00:30:45   schwarzenegger crowd which is ideal [TS]

00:30:48   based on this they just you know [TS]

00:30:50   yeah they left a message on that like [TS]

00:30:52   that you know he's out his noodle [TS]

00:30:54   scientists and kapalit i believe ya but [TS]

00:30:58   ya su this is actually it i think [TS]

00:31:00   unfairly if not strong episode it is [TS]

00:31:03   really representative of what the [TS]

00:31:05   animated series winds up doing in my [TS]

00:31:08   opinion because we as we've got this [TS]

00:31:11   reimagining of the villain with some [TS]

00:31:13   depth and some layers to what the [TS]

00:31:16   original scientist was trying to do and [TS]

00:31:19   what happens you know when his wife dies [TS]

00:31:21   and you know the chemicals condemn him [TS]

00:31:23   to living in the sub-zero environment so [TS]

00:31:25   he's going after revenge on the one [TS]

00:31:27   person not the world uh and Batman even [TS]

00:31:32   though he stops mr. freeze [TS]

00:31:34   he also arranged for him to get that [TS]

00:31:37   revenge because he gives the story of [TS]

00:31:39   what the capitalist did over to the [TS]

00:31:41   reporter [TS]

00:31:42   yeah that's a touch that is so often [TS]

00:31:44   there that little extra poke into [TS]

00:31:46   maturity as we said our people's [TS]

00:31:50   consciousness is making people think [TS]

00:31:51   that's consistent through so much of the [TS]

00:31:54   series and this is one that really shows [TS]

00:31:56   it and met that man makes a point of [TS]

00:31:57   saying it's not vengeance [TS]

00:31:59   it's justice Yeah right right yeah it's [TS]

00:32:02   it's not a matter of redeeming the [TS]

00:32:05   villain or making him you know all [TS]

00:32:06   friendly by the end but it's okay for [TS]

00:32:08   him to be a sympathetic villain for us [TS]

00:32:10   to to feel for him and to say alright [TS]

00:32:13   maybe you're making the wrong choice [TS]

00:32:15   this is not the way to go about this but [TS]

00:32:17   I get it I get why you're doing this and [TS]

00:32:20   michael ansara just sells every version [TS]

00:32:23   of this character both in the flashback [TS]

00:32:24   as as Victor fries and then in you know [TS]

00:32:28   progressively yeah [TS]

00:32:30   being you know full-on evil and then [TS]

00:32:32   dealing with Batman who you know he [TS]

00:32:34   doesn't really want Batman to get in the [TS]

00:32:36   way but you don't take him out if he has [TS]

00:32:38   to [TS]

00:32:39   and at the end it's just heartbreaking [TS]

00:32:42   when he's in his cell and you know and [TS]

00:32:46   and that this was again one of the one [TS]

00:32:48   of the first ones I saw that just sold [TS]

00:32:50   me on the show and and you get him [TS]

00:32:54   coming back in in lovely ways the the [TS]

00:32:57   later movie that they did Batman [TS]

00:32:59   sub-zero yeah wonderful wonderful yeah [TS]

00:33:03   hurry and so they evolved his story and [TS]

00:33:06   the story of his wife and and just you [TS]

00:33:09   know again where are you going to see [TS]

00:33:10   that in any version of Batman and also I [TS]

00:33:13   believe that my clients are based his [TS]

00:33:15   vocal performance in part on the poet [TS]

00:33:17   Robert Frost if you look online you can [TS]

00:33:19   find recording of frost reading his poem [TS]

00:33:21   fire and ice and you hear some say the [TS]

00:33:25   world will end in fire some a nice and [TS]

00:33:28   it's just like oh ok that clicks that's [TS]

00:33:31   i'm brian almost certain that's [TS]

00:33:33   intention which which is genius not [TS]

00:33:35   afraid to be able to easy by having a [TS]

00:33:37   villain named freeze go after a CEO name [TS]

00:33:39   Boyle yeah there's a lot of that yeah [TS]

00:33:43   yeah yeah well I believe they want a i [TS]

00:33:47   believe they want a Daytime Emmy [TS]

00:33:48   lighting [TS]

00:33:49   yes it for this episode 2 so note this [TS]

00:33:52   is one of many just on Tony's list that [TS]

00:33:55   are written by Paul Dini yes as one of [TS]

00:33:59   the best Batman writers going and good [TS]

00:34:02   enough that you know things like mr. [TS]

00:34:05   freezes origins that he reinvented or [TS]

00:34:08   even characters like Harley Quinn who [TS]

00:34:10   will meet in just a minute made their [TS]

00:34:13   way into the other Batman media even [TS]

00:34:16   into the comic book so this is harley [TS]

00:34:18   was like the first character to appear [TS]

00:34:20   in the animated series first and then [TS]

00:34:23   make our way into the comics and now the [TS]

00:34:25   summer we'll see even more of her a lot [TS]

00:34:28   literally and figuratively [TS]

00:34:29   yeah that's not quite so so Tony I [TS]

00:34:35   didn't like this one location [TS]

00:34:38   Jason yeah I'll be right there okay [TS]

00:34:41   yours Batman best episode VII but it's [TS]

00:34:46   good i didn't love the sudden love this [TS]

00:34:48   1i maybe it was because it was the first [TS]

00:34:49   1i watched I I like all of the other [TS]

00:34:52   ones better than this one mom thanks to [TS]

00:34:54   you were entitled to your opinion yeah I [TS]

00:34:56   I don't know I it just seemed this one I [TS]

00:34:59   was expecting everything we've set up to [TS]

00:35:01   now like a well this is you know this is [TS]

00:35:03   different it's a darker and more complex [TS]

00:35:04   storyline and all that and I thought wow [TS]

00:35:07   this is very it felt very saturday [TS]

00:35:08   morning TV to me it is this one did not [TS]

00:35:10   feel so complex if you felt really broad [TS]

00:35:13   abroad and kind of ridiculous and [TS]

00:35:15   although i appreciated aspects of the of [TS]

00:35:18   the writing and i really like Michael [TS]

00:35:19   and sorrows performance which I was able [TS]

00:35:21   to pick out as a Star Trek fan I [TS]

00:35:23   immediately knew that it was him which [TS]

00:35:24   was pretty cool so many great voice [TS]

00:35:26   actors in all of these episodes this was [TS]

00:35:28   my least favorite of them as you know [TS]

00:35:30   and that's fair i would say this is the [TS]

00:35:32   maybe the weakest Mr Freeze episode you [TS]

00:35:35   know it's again it's very early on it's [TS]

00:35:37   it's just sort of setting the template [TS]

00:35:39   right they're still finding their feet [TS]

00:35:41   origin stories [TS]

00:35:43   yeah I feel like part of it is you know [TS]

00:35:44   recognizing what the series is up to [TS]

00:35:47   this point and how it differed from a [TS]

00:35:48   lot of other series in some ways so i [TS]

00:35:51   mean i agree with all the things have [TS]

00:35:53   been said I i also do not love this [TS]

00:35:55   episode i think i appreciate what's good [TS]

00:35:57   about it but I think some of the other [TS]

00:36:00   ones I i prefer but i think it's it is [TS]

00:36:02   still do you know exemplary of kind of [TS]

00:36:05   where this Batman is going and shows off [TS]

00:36:07   so many of the good elements we talked [TS]

00:36:08   about like where Nathan mentioned his [TS]

00:36:10   mortality and the fact that he's got a [TS]

00:36:12   cold through this whole thing which is a [TS]

00:36:13   detail that I love ya [TS]

00:36:15   so yeah there there's a lot of good in [TS]

00:36:17   here and it may not be the best exemplar [TS]

00:36:20   of the whole series but yeah nice job [TS]

00:36:23   Tony that's the thing i love about this [TS]

00:36:26   show even when it's bad it's good even [TS]

00:36:29   in a terrible episode there will be [TS]

00:36:30   things you can pick out that are still [TS]

00:36:32   really strong and I didn't think I was [TS]

00:36:34   terrible but I was like what am i [TS]

00:36:35   getting serious i watch this one like Oh [TS]

00:36:37   what am i getting about myself I'm glad [TS]

00:36:40   you kept going then I watched episode 22 [TS]

00:36:42   Joker's favor and I said oh [TS]

00:36:45   yes much ice see what tony is doing here [TS]

00:36:50   so episode 22 chokers favor you had to [TS]

00:36:54   have a joker episode on the on the list [TS]

00:36:57   right [TS]

00:36:57   yes where is that man's greatest villain [TS]

00:37:00   a great performance by Mark Hamill and I [TS]

00:37:03   think this is probably my favorite one [TS]

00:37:06   of my favorite Joker episodes is also [TS]

00:37:07   the first this is the introduction of [TS]

00:37:09   harley quinn like this is where that [TS]

00:37:12   character came from i think not [TS]

00:37:13   everybody knows that the characters [TS]

00:37:15   starting position and contractors we [TS]

00:37:16   call this the first appearance because [TS]

00:37:18   she's not really introduced she's just [TS]

00:37:21   present and we don't learn until I [TS]

00:37:23   believe there's a later episode that [TS]

00:37:24   explains our origin but here she just is [TS]

00:37:27   present there as if she's always been [TS]

00:37:29   there [TS]

00:37:29   well and a lot of the episodes are kind [TS]

00:37:31   of like that right like tony mentioned [TS]

00:37:33   that there's no origins or if you have a [TS]

00:37:34   Batman but there's also no origin story [TS]

00:37:36   or initial meeting for the Joker right [TS]

00:37:39   the first episode The Joker appears in [TS]

00:37:41   which i think is way back episode two or [TS]

00:37:42   three but it's not like he already knows [TS]

00:37:45   who the Joker is right it's not like oh [TS]

00:37:46   this guy wandering around calling [TS]

00:37:48   himself the Joker looks like a clown [TS]

00:37:49   guess I should go figure out what his [TS]

00:37:51   deal is now he's already established as [TS]

00:37:53   you know the Batman and Joker are [TS]

00:37:54   already more than mortal enemies if you [TS]

00:37:56   with this fate i think that was by [TS]

00:37:59   design a lot of the other gowns get get [TS]

00:38:01   backstories but i think by design they [TS]

00:38:04   don't humanize the Joker and this [TS]

00:38:06   episode shows you why he's terrifying [TS]

00:38:08   yeah he is one of the scariest [TS]

00:38:10   characters ever in a children's cartoon [TS]

00:38:12   so for people who don't work if you know [TS]

00:38:14   can't recall this and shot-for-shot [TS]

00:38:16   detail like I can promise that this [TS]

00:38:18   episode is there's basically unfortunate [TS]

00:38:20   road rage incident between the Joker and [TS]

00:38:22   just a guy who lives in Gotham makeover [TS]

00:38:25   yep and then the Joker basically like [TS]

00:38:28   meet him on the side of the road in the [TS]

00:38:30   woods and says like I'm gonna come for [TS]

00:38:32   you in two years or and he takes his [TS]

00:38:34   driver's license and the guy moves and [TS]

00:38:36   changes his name and the Joker finds him [TS]

00:38:38   and demands that he show up at a certain [TS]

00:38:40   place to open a door so Harley Quinn can [TS]

00:38:42   wheel a bomb into basically you don't [TS]

00:38:44   look like a policeman's ball type [TS]

00:38:46   situation and and again an episode with [TS]

00:38:50   there's a lot of a lot of we have a lot [TS]

00:38:52   through the eyes of that character and [TS]

00:38:54   the Joker and then Batman is also [TS]

00:38:56   present [TS]

00:38:56   indeed there's not a lot of bad man but [TS]

00:38:59   he's he's there when he's needed i love [TS]

00:39:01   that the guy just curses out the Joker [TS]

00:39:02   right and they get super be like you [TS]

00:39:05   know without knowing it's the Joker and [TS]

00:39:06   then we get that simmer it just keeps [TS]

00:39:07   following them around and just like the [TS]

00:39:09   whole like the whole thing is [TS]

00:39:11   essentially like this I'm gonna come to [TS]

00:39:13   you and ask for a favor someday like you [TS]

00:39:14   know very much feel like right now yeah [TS]

00:39:16   but what I love about this episode is [TS]

00:39:19   also that in the in the last act as our [TS]

00:39:23   random guy decides you know I'm going to [TS]

00:39:26   sort of i've had enough of the Joker's [TS]

00:39:28   terrorizing me the Joker freaks out at [TS]

00:39:32   the end right and he's calling for [TS]

00:39:33   Batman to protect him which is one of [TS]

00:39:36   the best moments ever use like well this [TS]

00:39:38   guy is actually crazy [TS]

00:39:40   these guys are going to give me like and [TS]

00:39:42   it's just such a great turnabout moment [TS]

00:39:44   of the Joker realizing it and then to [TS]

00:39:47   show it like you know he threatened with [TS]

00:39:48   a bomb basically of course then the [TS]

00:39:50   bombings at being a dud [TS]

00:39:51   yep and Batman cracks up right like that [TS]

00:39:55   master good one yeah I mean it's just so [TS]

00:39:58   much of that is just delightful and so [TS]

00:40:00   well constructed as a joker story so [TS]

00:40:02   much more interesting than so many of [TS]

00:40:04   the Joker stories I feel like we've [TS]

00:40:06   gotten more modern where he's a [TS]

00:40:07   psychopath we need to show you how crazy [TS]

00:40:09   and like brutal and bloody he is right [TS]

00:40:12   like he's crazy and brutal in this [TS]

00:40:14   episode but he's not like he's not [TS]

00:40:18   reduced to just some sort of like [TS]

00:40:20   psychotic killer he's got weird [TS]

00:40:22   dimensions like that's a sympathetic but [TS]

00:40:24   like he's afraid at times to write which [TS]

00:40:27   is a dynamic we don't often see with [TS]

00:40:28   villains and i love that relationship [TS]

00:40:31   between him the the Batman and the Joker [TS]

00:40:33   here because it really feels it really [TS]

00:40:35   captures the Joker's madness has just [TS]

00:40:37   how random he can be like a volcano [TS]

00:40:39   stream rich faster on this poor guy and [TS]

00:40:42   not only does he not hurt or kill him [TS]

00:40:44   but he's like nope just you're gonna owe [TS]

00:40:46   me a favor I'm gonna show up and I don't [TS]

00:40:49   know what my favorite yet but oh I'll [TS]

00:40:51   see carrier right and makes his hobby [TS]

00:40:53   you know has a whole little diary [TS]

00:40:55   keeping track of this guy's moves as he [TS]

00:40:57   tries to get away [TS]

00:40:59   it just yeah and Mark Hamill just sells [TS]

00:41:02   it [TS]

00:41:03   oh my god my loss motivation so much [TS]

00:41:05   trillion bits the laugh-out-loud moments [TS]

00:41:06   for me in this episode is in that [TS]

00:41:08   opening scene on the freeway [TS]

00:41:10   I where you see you at one point there's [TS]

00:41:12   a moment when you realize the Joker is [TS]

00:41:14   driving the other car and I just started [TS]

00:41:17   to laugh it's like boy if there's [TS]

00:41:18   anybody to to get into you know get into [TS]

00:41:21   a problem on the freeway with it would [TS]

00:41:24   have to be the Joker right and it's just [TS]

00:41:25   he's driving somewhere who knows where [TS]

00:41:28   who knows why who cares to his station [TS]

00:41:30   wagon he's just driving his hat you guys [TS]

00:41:32   off i love that everything's great use [TS]

00:41:34   of great use of music to I can still [TS]

00:41:37   hear the Joker theme song in my duty [TS]

00:41:40   do-do-do-do order dinner yeah it's like [TS]

00:41:43   playful but kind of menacing about the [TS]

00:41:45   about the Joker's the Joker's demeanor i [TS]

00:41:48   would just say I think the Joker doesn't [TS]

00:41:51   have it together that's the impression I [TS]

00:41:53   get here as he's nuts right and he [TS]

00:41:55   doesn't have it together and you see [TS]

00:41:56   that in several episodes that we watched [TS]

00:41:58   he doesn't have together [TS]

00:41:59   I like that I like that more than and [TS]

00:42:02   also the Jack Nicholson's Joker in the [TS]

00:42:04   in Batman 99 is similarly just nuts and [TS]

00:42:10   is actually his it's actually his great [TS]

00:42:12   flaw it's not only that he's crazy and [TS]

00:42:15   and does these crazy things but it's [TS]

00:42:17   also he's crazy and that's going to be [TS]

00:42:19   his downfall and you could argue that [TS]

00:42:21   like the heath ledger performances as [TS]

00:42:24   the joker that that guy is much more [TS]

00:42:27   together and and then and and just like [TS]

00:42:31   it's like he's got a stick but he's [TS]

00:42:35   really just a a murderer who's got a [TS]

00:42:38   stick and I don't feel that way with [TS]

00:42:40   this joker this joker is you know he's [TS]

00:42:43   Looney he just wants to have it like the [TS]

00:42:45   Riddler right he just kinda wants to [TS]

00:42:46   play and that's good I like that I like [TS]

00:42:50   that I think that's a good a fun Joker [TS]

00:42:53   and also makes it more palatable but he [TS]

00:42:55   keeps coming back because of course he's [TS]

00:42:57   gonna keep coming back [TS]

00:43:00   I actually think that the fact that it's [TS]

00:43:02   for children and that they have to imply [TS]

00:43:04   things rather than showing them makes [TS]

00:43:06   the children even scarier I mean you [TS]

00:43:08   know it would be scary the Joker [TS]

00:43:09   outright killed Charlie but when he's [TS]

00:43:11   like oh I'm gonna keep track of you I'm [TS]

00:43:14   never gonna let you go you're gonna owe [TS]

00:43:16   me a favor your imagination starts [TS]

00:43:18   wondering you know what's what's he [TS]

00:43:20   gonna ask for [TS]

00:43:22   yeah it makes it more powerful because [TS]

00:43:24   it's left up to your imagination it's [TS]

00:43:26   that occurs I think throughout the [TS]

00:43:27   series and it's one of the things I love [TS]

00:43:29   about it that they they use they let [TS]

00:43:32   your imagination fill in the gaps and it [TS]

00:43:34   makes it even better than if they've [TS]

00:43:35   been able to show it outright war greed [TS]

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00:44:49   Tony you get your next to give us a [TS]

00:44:52   two-parter about kill her computer [TS]

00:44:55   yep so heart of steel parts one part two [TS]

00:44:58   on my list those are episodes 38-39 [TS]

00:45:01   these are this is a kind of terrifying [TS]

00:45:04   to partner where there's basically an [TS]

00:45:07   evil computer that is turning out [TS]

00:45:08   replicants of people dependence [TS]

00:45:11   duplicates are genetically distinct from [TS]

00:45:14   replicants i will tell you I probably [TS]

00:45:16   saw i saw this show as a twelve-year-old [TS]

00:45:19   was totally creeped out by it i don't [TS]

00:45:21   think i saw blade runner and problem [TS]

00:45:22   till probably like nine or ten years [TS]

00:45:24   later in college was like oh yeah that [TS]

00:45:27   was like you have either the guy who [TS]

00:45:29   creates a computer is is what William [TS]

00:45:31   Sanderson who is in his Sebastian and [TS]

00:45:34   Blade Runner you also may know him as [TS]

00:45:35   Larry from new heart but yeah that's the [TS]

00:45:38   reference sure sure Jason they're [TS]

00:45:40   actually it says it's a double reference [TS]

00:45:42   because he named Karl Rossum yeah [TS]

00:45:45   apec wrote Rossum's Universal robots [TS]

00:45:47   which was the first ever play that was [TS]

00:45:49   the first ever use the word robot so [TS]

00:45:51   it's really a triple reference random to [TS]

00:45:53   Wayne's license plate reads are you are [TS]

00:45:55   yeah the name of the place oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:58   i was going to add that uh actually the [TS]

00:46:00   aesthetic of this particular two-parter [TS]

00:46:02   when i started watching at this time and [TS]

00:46:04   you know older age I realized this it's [TS]

00:46:08   basically like there's a lot here that's [TS]

00:46:10   basically like a Hitchcock movie like [TS]

00:46:12   needs invasion of the Body Snatchers and [TS]

00:46:14   again this is an episode that feat that [TS]

00:46:16   features heavily and works heavily on [TS]

00:46:17   Bruce Wayne on Batman right because [TS]

00:46:20   they're all trying to be like oh let's [TS]

00:46:21   see if Bruce Wayne's involve stuff gets [TS]

00:46:23   stolen from him i have to also say my [TS]

00:46:25   favorite one of my favorite moments [TS]

00:46:26   involves Bruce Wayne you know the [TS]

00:46:28   security guards being like you should [TS]

00:46:30   stay in the Security office yeah wait [TS]

00:46:32   it's too dangerous and you all good i [TS]

00:46:33   have happened to install a secret [TS]

00:46:35   elevator in this corner of the security [TS]

00:46:37   of just in case I ever got like every [TS]

00:46:39   corner of that building as that all [TS]

00:46:42   elevators are load-bearing elevators [TS]

00:46:45   I think this might be the first time in [TS]

00:46:47   the series that anybody else figures out [TS]

00:46:49   that Bruce Wayne is Batman and what they [TS]

00:46:52   don't count on is that Bruce Wayne is as [TS]

00:46:54   formidable an opponent is bad right [TS]

00:46:56   exactly that's the cliffhanger at the [TS]

00:46:58   end of the first episode is yeah Bruce [TS]

00:47:00   Wayne is Batman i sent his computer [TS]

00:47:03   start he gets taken over by the back [TS]

00:47:05   computer which has been taken over by [TS]

00:47:07   hardac the supercomputer [TS]

00:47:10   super-intelligent AI computer created by [TS]

00:47:13   william Sanderson's a kind of how like [TS]

00:47:15   about Girardi is very how like very how [TS]

00:47:17   like yeah [TS]

00:47:18   visually I mean the whole series takes [TS]

00:47:21   the the max and dave fleischer superman [TS]

00:47:23   cartoons from the fifties a big visual [TS]

00:47:25   influence so ya q really comes out in [TS]

00:47:28   this which yeah this is it so fly sure [TS]

00:47:31   Superman throughout I thought but [TS]

00:47:34   special yeah that's through the whole [TS]

00:47:36   series yes but there's this one [TS]

00:47:37   especially the robots [TS]

00:47:39   I like hardened steel I thought it was I [TS]

00:47:40   thought it was fun i thought the idea of [TS]

00:47:41   a two-parter that you essentially get a [TS]

00:47:43   you get an hour-long TV show basically [TS]

00:47:46   by break by breaking it into the you got [TS]

00:47:49   killer robot duplicates and stuff and [TS]

00:47:51   maligned and let's not forget to mention [TS]

00:47:54   the first appearance in the series of [TS]

00:47:56   barbar Gordon I was going to say yes [TS]

00:47:58   played here by melissa gilbert yeah as a [TS]

00:48:01   12 as a twelve-year-old boy such a crush [TS]

00:48:04   on Barbara hard to say [TS]

00:48:06   yeah yeah she's she was suspicious when [TS]

00:48:09   her father was replaced in acceleration [TS]

00:48:11   Rome I don't know why she's hurtin and [TS]

00:48:15   she's active and she has agency and she [TS]

00:48:17   like yeah well i mean granted my dad [TS]

00:48:19   came back in and like smacked my am far [TS]

00:48:21   better clue and i loved it i love the [TS]

00:48:26   detail with a teddy bear that's that's [TS]

00:48:27   checkups teddy bear [TS]

00:48:29   yeah it's it's introduced you know in [TS]

00:48:31   her person and I was worried that like [TS]

00:48:33   this would infantile eyes the character [TS]

00:48:35   but then she mentions that it's [TS]

00:48:36   something her dad brought along and [TS]

00:48:39   picks up the bear and blushes it not [TS]

00:48:41   only makes her a stronger character it [TS]

00:48:42   makes Gordon a sweeter and a deeper [TS]

00:48:45   character and Jim Gordon is great and [TS]

00:48:47   the steps in this whole series i love [TS]

00:48:48   this vision of Jim cord [TS]

00:48:50   yeah having watched outside of our [TS]

00:48:53   assigned reading I had to watch the back [TS]

00:48:55   row origin episodes will be reached [TS]

00:48:56   returns in the back row origin episodes [TS]

00:48:59   briefly so yeah the the consistency the [TS]

00:49:01   attention to detail that they maintain [TS]

00:49:03   is great and I noticed that this was one [TS]

00:49:05   of the rare episodes of the series [TS]

00:49:07   written by a woman which is probably one [TS]

00:49:09   of the reasons why Barbara Gordon is [TS]

00:49:10   portrayed so intelligently and so [TS]

00:49:12   competently which is awesome [TS]

00:49:15   this episode and kind of leaves me cold [TS]

00:49:18   which is weird because there's a ton of [TS]

00:49:19   great stuff about it the weird crab-like [TS]

00:49:21   motions the robots the whole elevator [TS]

00:49:23   sequence Barbara Gordon the the miyazaki [TS]

00:49:26   like designs but for some reason this [TS]

00:49:29   this was my least favorite of the ones [TS]

00:49:31   we watched yeah the weird to breathe [TS]

00:49:33   it's a robot who is also a briefcase [TS]

00:49:35   oh yeah that was pretty great I know [TS]

00:49:38   what Jason like Jason likes robots yeah [TS]

00:49:39   the season where Ernestine where where [TS]

00:49:42   you get the guys who are the the [TS]

00:49:44   duplicates who try to you know [TS]

00:49:45   assimilate Bruce Wayne and do the like [TS]

00:49:48   spider crawl thing with the rotating [TS]

00:49:50   head [TS]

00:49:50   yeah that is still sleepy though yeah [TS]

00:49:53   that was to my freaky as a [TS]

00:49:55   twelve-year-old oh man i just want to [TS]

00:49:57   see the episode about the Wayne [TS]

00:49:58   industries janitor who accidentally [TS]

00:50:00   discovers the secret elevator in the [TS]

00:50:01   security [TS]

00:50:02   yeah yeah my I just touched the file [TS]

00:50:06   cabinet if you don't have the bat ring [TS]

00:50:09   or whatever it just doesn't open so you [TS]

00:50:11   would never know unless you got bruises [TS]

00:50:12   special bat you to the point about being [TS]

00:50:15   mature earlier and about things you can [TS]

00:50:17   show and can't show its kind of no no [TS]

00:50:20   pun intended shocking when they kill [TS]

00:50:22   Bullock right and you're like whoa like [TS]

00:50:24   oh my god they threw him into this thing [TS]

00:50:27   and and obviously Barbara especially [TS]

00:50:29   who's you know helps in basically does [TS]

00:50:31   that is is a gas at what she's done when [TS]

00:50:34   she think she's killed you know Harvey [TS]

00:50:36   Bullock and of course it turns out to be [TS]

00:50:37   a robot that means a little cavalier [TS]

00:50:39   about that guys like was it like its [TS]

00:50:41   Clayface in disguise or something but he [TS]

00:50:43   has no qualms about tossing Harvey [TS]

00:50:45   Bullock into a giant spotlight well I [TS]

00:50:47   mean you have you met Harvey Bullock I [TS]

00:50:49   mean is that the Harvey Harvey is [TS]

00:50:51   another great character and i love it [TS]

00:50:53   because he's a total jerk but he's also [TS]

00:50:54   basically a good guy you know he has [TS]

00:50:57   good motives he wants to do good things [TS]

00:50:58   he just disagrees with that man and he's [TS]

00:51:00   personally obnoxious but that doesn't [TS]

00:51:02   mean he's a bad cop right [TS]

00:51:04   headcanon Batman can tell the difference [TS]

00:51:06   between our people look in the horrible [TS]

00:51:07   and replicate by smell alone soap opera [TS]

00:51:11   Barbara rescues Batman right she goes [TS]

00:51:13   down to the building's gonna blow up and [TS]

00:51:15   she helps him help them out which shows [TS]

00:51:17   her her mettle as a future here are [TS]

00:51:19   right right here [TS]

00:51:20   not that she's made of metal she's not a [TS]

00:51:22   robot they'll a great groundwork here [TS]

00:51:24   for her as bad Carol and and its really [TS]

00:51:26   it makes sense then later on when she [TS]

00:51:28   decides to do that right because right [TS]

00:51:30   now you're always going to put down [TS]

00:51:31   there [TS]

00:51:32   yeah yeah I i love that touches the end [TS]

00:51:34   where it's like you know that was a [TS]

00:51:35   little dangerous yeah I can't have fun [TS]

00:51:38   yeah we we need to move through the rest [TS]

00:51:40   of these because we have a lot more [TS]

00:51:41   still to talk about the next one is a [TS]

00:51:44   regular episode if your social so smart [TS]

00:51:46   why are you rich which is said in green [TS]

00:51:49   speckles yep another evil CEO creates a [TS]

00:51:52   supervillain is awesome it's like open [TS]

00:51:55   chemical baths and CEOs who are just too [TS]

00:51:57   greedy leading causes of built village [TS]

00:51:59   creators this is funny because Bruce [TS]

00:52:01   Wayne is thinking of buying this company [TS]

00:52:03   and and he apparently a while doing his [TS]

00:52:05   due diligence he discovers that they've [TS]

00:52:07   cheated the Riddler out of his royalties [TS]

00:52:11   and the Riddler's really mad and I i [TS]

00:52:13   love the riddles Riddler is my favorite [TS]

00:52:15   Batman villain up because he attempts to [TS]

00:52:18   thwart or challenge Batman with with [TS]

00:52:20   puzzles and mysteries and those are [TS]

00:52:22   things that I personally enjoy and I [TS]

00:52:25   like I mean I think I like the quality [TS]

00:52:26   of the puzzles that he presents Batman [TS]

00:52:28   within this I think there are pretty [TS]

00:52:30   consistently amusing or clever or both [TS]

00:52:32   so I around a big fan of the road i [TS]

00:52:34   think the Riddler only appears and maybe [TS]

00:52:37   three episodes and the entire animated [TS]

00:52:39   series and is that it yeah yeah but [TS]

00:52:41   those episodes really stand out they had [TS]

00:52:44   far more interesting villains to play [TS]

00:52:45   with [TS]

00:52:46   I mean what's the Riddler but just sort [TS]

00:52:47   of like a cut-rate Joker I mean I like [TS]

00:52:50   to love them so rob him [TS]

00:52:52   no no but i'm saying compared to say mr. [TS]

00:52:54   freeze or racial ghoul or poison ivy or [TS]

00:52:58   I mean you can't go through the whole [TS]

00:52:59   list is child but John Glover john [TS]

00:53:01   galvers screen Riddler's great [TS]

00:53:03   yeah and I don't know it's it's not like [TS]

00:53:05   he at least in this series I don't think [TS]

00:53:07   that the Riddler and the Joker all that [TS]

00:53:09   comfortable the Joker yes he creates [TS]

00:53:12   some puzzles and some mysteries but the [TS]

00:53:14   rivers on this whole other level I mean [TS]

00:53:16   this [TS]

00:53:17   yes this this episode shows just that [TS]

00:53:20   this man is brilliant and even though [TS]

00:53:22   he's brilliant he is not world wise [TS]

00:53:25   enough to take care of himself and [TS]

00:53:27   therefore is denied of the money he [TS]

00:53:29   should have a node and therefore goes [TS]

00:53:31   over the edge and turns himself into [TS]

00:53:33   into the Riddler I'll liked this episode [TS]

00:53:37   quite a bit not only because of the [TS]

00:53:39   river [TS]

00:53:39   but also because of Robin because i'm [TS]

00:53:42   i'm a bit of a Robin fan you know you [TS]

00:53:44   guys crushed on Batgirl when you were [TS]

00:53:45   kids i crush them right but he's really [TS]

00:53:48   bad at video games though [TS]

00:53:49   Yeah Yeah right arm atari games but he's [TS]

00:53:52   smart enough to know he's able to solve [TS]

00:53:55   some of the riddles that Batman you know [TS]

00:53:57   doesn't realize yeah he it shows a good [TS]

00:54:00   team going on in this episode once they [TS]

00:54:03   get going and I like that I like that [TS]

00:54:05   the Robin thing is well and he solves [TS]

00:54:07   some of the puzzles and that you know [TS]

00:54:09   again Batman uses smarts to basically [TS]

00:54:11   break the rules of the game and win [TS]

00:54:13   yeah Jack's they have floating hand of [TS]

00:54:15   fate and flies it like a sort of flying [TS]

00:54:17   surfboard kind of thing and go sheets [TS]

00:54:20   goes to the center of the maze so many [TS]

00:54:22   safety violations in this in my hand [TS]

00:54:24   part it is [TS]

00:54:25   yeah Gotham Gotham City citizens are [TS]

00:54:29   incredibly blasé about personal danger [TS]

00:54:32   I mean that they go to amusement parks [TS]

00:54:34   that are wildly dangerous and the harley [TS]

00:54:35   and ivy episode later they openly could [TS]

00:54:37   at harley quinn and poison ivy both of [TS]

00:54:39   them they should you by sight [TS]

00:54:41   yeah I also liked in this episode how [TS]

00:54:45   dumb at the end you get similar to our [TS]

00:54:47   device you get that bit at the end this [TS]

00:54:49   time the revenge is not as obvious or [TS]

00:54:54   judiciary I guess as it was but yet the [TS]

00:55:00   the Riddler is terrifying this man who [TS]

00:55:03   robbed him and is going to be terrifying [TS]

00:55:04   for the rest of his life and that's a [TS]

00:55:07   fairly powerful ending I think oh yeah [TS]

00:55:09   really dark and creepy that's that is [TS]

00:55:12   the thing that stuck with me for years [TS]

00:55:14   after seeing this episode I like that [TS]

00:55:15   I'm the economics of Batman which is [TS]

00:55:18   that Wayne Enterprises buys competitor [TS]

00:55:20   on this company and it brings jobs to [TS]

00:55:22   Gotham City [TS]

00:55:23   so apparently this is Bruce Wayne's [TS]

00:55:25   business model is he he buys companies [TS]

00:55:26   in other cities fires all the people [TS]

00:55:28   move the intellectual property that [TS]

00:55:30   Gotham and then hires people from Gotham [TS]

00:55:32   to run them I guess [TS]

00:55:34   ok whatever Bruce have whatever we have [TS]

00:55:36   a rich guy you can do what you want [TS]

00:55:37   anything forgot them yeah I guess bring [TS]

00:55:40   jobs to the city it's important [TS]

00:55:42   ok almost got him number 46 this is my [TS]

00:55:47   favorite episode my face [TS]

00:55:49   it's almost got him is the the premise [TS]

00:55:52   of the episode there's a twist but the [TS]

00:55:54   premise is that a bunch of Batman [TS]

00:55:56   villains are just hanging out in a very [TS]

00:55:58   sketchy pool hall playing poker and [TS]

00:56:00   talking about the times they almost got [TS]

00:56:02   Batman so it's great because it's almost [TS]

00:56:04   like three many episodes in one so [TS]

00:56:08   that's a great framing device and we get [TS]

00:56:10   these little stories from the point of [TS]

00:56:12   view of poison ivy the Joker the penguin [TS]

00:56:16   and kind of a story from Killer Croc and [TS]

00:56:18   to face to face to face yeah so i will [TS]

00:56:21   never forget as I told to anyone who [TS]

00:56:23   watched this episode emblazoned in my [TS]

00:56:25   memory is the delivery of I throw a rock [TS]

00:56:27   at everything you do is a big rock rock [TS]

00:56:31   but then the twist and is a bad man and [TS]

00:56:34   he did that was not to that was not [TS]

00:56:36   Killer Croc Batman pretending to because [TS]

00:56:38   I know which is a kind of mean of Batman [TS]

00:56:41   you think better to pick even better [TS]

00:56:43   well he figured out when boat when it [TS]

00:56:45   was poker night apparently was the only [TS]

00:56:46   way to save Catwoman when it's funny [TS]

00:56:48   because if you watch the other episodes [TS]

00:56:50   with killer croc he's actually not [TS]

00:56:52   stupid so clearly Batman is playing his [TS]

00:56:55   stupid because he assumes that all the [TS]

00:56:56   rest of these guys think he's stupid [TS]

00:56:58   yeah and some of the little stories they [TS]

00:57:00   tell are just i think particularly [TS]

00:57:02   over-the-top the penguin has the most [TS]

00:57:04   bird tastic 148 of june is a very of [TS]

00:57:09   doom he's got a cassowary he's got [TS]

00:57:11   humming birds that are poisonous it's it [TS]

00:57:14   is the most penguin that Batman uses a [TS]

00:57:17   hummingbird to stab another yeah i mean [TS]

00:57:21   to face steals of two million dollars [TS]

00:57:23   into dollar bills [TS]

00:57:24   yeah what benefit one and that one that [TS]

00:57:26   one is sorry that the comics is down the [TS]

00:57:29   giant penny the giant penny says okay [TS]

00:57:31   it's even it's even more plausible than [TS]

00:57:33   the comic book version is very this one [TS]

00:57:36   of two episodes we watched I think all [TS]

00:57:39   right sorry i watch the second one in [TS]

00:57:41   which is also trapped beneath the dry [TS]

00:57:42   quite yet [TS]

00:57:44   it's not a penny it is the only way to [TS]

00:57:46   stop toupees yeah that's right i love [TS]

00:57:49   the attention to detail in this episode [TS]

00:57:51   all the little things that how they open [TS]

00:57:53   on the characters hands and you can tell [TS]

00:57:55   so much about which one is the Joker [TS]

00:57:56   twoface just by their hands you have the [TS]

00:57:59   Joker pulling up an ace from his [TS]

00:58:01   we have you see to face pouring [TS]

00:58:03   half-and-half into his coffee [TS]

00:58:05   I love holding onto to the the new faces [TS]

00:58:08   always got here Suze yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

00:58:11   love the Joker taking a look at two [TS]

00:58:13   phases cards as he prepares pretends to [TS]

00:58:15   wipe a tear from his eye and i love that [TS]

00:58:18   this episode shows why the Joker's [TS]

00:58:20   different from all the other villains [TS]

00:58:21   when the Joker mentions what his plan is [TS]

00:58:23   to do with Catwoman namely grinder up in [TS]

00:58:25   turn into cat food all the other [TS]

00:58:27   villains these dangerous criminals and [TS]

00:58:29   psychopaths are shocked and horrified [TS]

00:58:30   disgusting mind and I i love that like [TS]

00:58:34   the only human thing about the Joker in [TS]

00:58:35   the series is that his commitment to [TS]

00:58:37   being a total jerk [TS]

00:58:39   that's the one real thing that humanizes [TS]

00:58:41   him is that no matter what no matter who [TS]

00:58:43   he's with he's going to be a jerk to [TS]

00:58:44   them i also love the the episode in the [TS]

00:58:47   when he saves Catwoman eventually in [TS]

00:58:49   Harley's like you can only save you can [TS]

00:58:51   only save your classic you can only save [TS]

00:58:53   them or catch me and it's like I've got [TS]

00:58:55   two hands [TS]

00:58:56   yep and I drink wine from Harley you [TS]

00:59:00   know I had a cat once they don't always [TS]

00:59:02   land on their feet and you think about [TS]

00:59:03   it for a moment you realize oh my god [TS]

00:59:05   harley quinn killed her cat also poker [TS]

00:59:11   at like the animation this episode much [TS]

00:59:13   better and my personal favorite shot is [TS]

00:59:15   when the could be killer croc is [TS]

00:59:17   revealed to be Batman and it's the lamps [TS]

00:59:19   swinging yes so wet are so good [TS]

00:59:23   yep such a good and again without like [TS]

00:59:25   you know you don't have to state it [TS]

00:59:27   outright right like there's this is it [TS]

00:59:29   subtle it's nice i like it you know this [TS]

00:59:31   episode is perfect I've seen whole [TS]

00:59:33   seasons of television that aren't as up [TS]

00:59:35   entertaining as this one episode agreed [TS]

00:59:38   and it has the nice tag at the end where [TS]

00:59:39   Catwoman is rescued and kind of makes [TS]

00:59:42   her pitch to Batman about how they could [TS]

00:59:44   do wonderful things together and he [TS]

00:59:47   disappears and she goes to how much got [TS]

00:59:49   him yeah so I put that i put the watch [TS]

00:59:52   list in just in basically chronological [TS]

00:59:54   order but i would probably like I was [TS]

00:59:56   trying to get somebody into batman the [TS]

00:59:58   animated series this is the episode [TS]

00:59:58   animated series this is the episode [TS]

01:00:00   let's start with that because i don't [TS]

01:00:02   think there's any reason you can't just [TS]

01:00:03   start with this one and it's so [TS]

01:00:04   delightful it is i remember watching it [TS]

01:00:06   for the first time thinking oh they ran [TS]

01:00:07   out of money they're doing a clip show [TS]

01:00:09   and then thinking wait a minute i [TS]

01:00:10   haven't seen any of these grounds oh my [TS]

01:00:12   gosh so next is i am the night Tony so I [TS]

01:00:18   am the night is an extremely dark [TS]

01:00:20   episode of batman the animated series i [TS]

01:00:23   think it's like the it's the the this [TS]

01:00:26   happens in a couple episodes where [TS]

01:00:27   there's some you know it's the [TS]

01:00:28   anniversary of his parents definitely [TS]

01:00:29   has to go to crime alley and place the [TS]

01:00:31   the roses and basically Batman is [TS]

01:00:34   dealing with that at the same time that [TS]

01:00:35   there is a shootout between a gangster [TS]

01:00:38   and the police and Commissioner Gordon [TS]

01:00:41   gets severely wounded by the jazzman it [TS]

01:00:45   was just a gangster with a lot of guns [TS]

01:00:47   but Batman it does basically have to [TS]

01:00:50   like do this like soul-searching like [TS]

01:00:51   what is the point of all this like do I [TS]

01:00:53   want to keep being Batman kind of kind [TS]

01:00:54   of question which is a pretty dark and [TS]

01:00:56   heavy for a kids show right [TS]

01:00:57   I i thought this was great this is the [TS]

01:00:59   first 1i watched when we did the rewatch [TS]

01:01:01   and I was just like man this is a kids [TS]

01:01:03   show like yeah it has you know there's [TS]

01:01:05   there's fairly complex not just ideas [TS]

01:01:08   and thoughts in here where Batman's [TS]

01:01:09   considering you know giving stuff up and [TS]

01:01:11   I'm really making a difference but like [TS]

01:01:13   some of the dialogue in here too I feel [TS]

01:01:15   like they're like I mean they're quoting [TS]

01:01:18   like philosophers and stuff to be like [TS]

01:01:20   him and Leslie to each other and and [TS]

01:01:22   it's it's kind of a samsung i can [TS]

01:01:24   remember the like you know how deep and [TS]

01:01:27   and thoughtful so much of this was i [TS]

01:01:30   really i love this episode it's kind of [TS]

01:01:31   like a polar opposite of almost got him [TS]

01:01:33   but i think it may be one of the other [TS]

01:01:35   really best episodes of the show [TS]

01:01:37   absolutely except for the Batman helps a [TS]

01:01:39   troubled teen storyline which feels like [TS]

01:01:41   something the network shoved and leaves [TS]

01:01:43   leaves a Korean alone do you know best [TS]

01:01:45   michael j fox yeah totally during [TS]

01:01:48   michael j fox a lot of things that this [TS]

01:01:50   in series does a little and big ways is [TS]

01:01:53   setting up that you think one thing but [TS]

01:01:56   it turns out that the opposite happens [TS]

01:01:57   so they set up the seth green character [TS]

01:01:59   to be a bit of a problem a small-time [TS]

01:02:03   a small-time petty thief and Batman's [TS]

01:02:06   responses to dump him at the mission [TS]

01:02:09   that Leslie works out or if i'm [TS]

01:02:11   remembering that correctly and then so [TS]

01:02:14   the next time Batman season [TS]

01:02:16   Batman makes the mistake and assumes the [TS]

01:02:18   kid is still trouble did only to [TS]

01:02:20   discover that guess what he has made a [TS]

01:02:22   difference or by his actions [TS]

01:02:25   they've made a difference in this kid's [TS]

01:02:26   life so I actually like that I like that [TS]

01:02:30   a lot that you know you big and small [TS]

01:02:31   the ways you know Batman can save an [TS]

01:02:34   entire city he can save the entire [TS]

01:02:35   planet [TS]

01:02:36   you can also make a difference in this [TS]

01:02:37   one kid's life and not even realize that [TS]

01:02:39   he did it and the value is that at the [TS]

01:02:41   end what you get is you get this is the [TS]

01:02:43   thing that turns Batman around and I [TS]

01:02:45   think that's kinda kinda nice that [TS]

01:02:46   punching people is not the thing that [TS]

01:02:48   that gives bad man his kind of renewed [TS]

01:02:51   purpose it's like this is a very human [TS]

01:02:53   things like a look at you know I I do i [TS]

01:02:56   do make a difference and I can change [TS]

01:02:58   people slices and it's a little sappy [TS]

01:02:59   but I I get why they did it that that [TS]

01:03:02   it's not what you expect where he's like [TS]

01:03:03   you know again I punched you in the face [TS]

01:03:05   now I feel much better about myself and [TS]

01:03:07   my job [TS]

01:03:08   yeah i mean i think some of the stuff [TS]

01:03:09   that you know the doubting you he always [TS]

01:03:11   talking to Robin and saying like they [TS]

01:03:14   sell t-shirts of me like I've become a [TS]

01:03:16   cliche like that just that idea is like [TS]

01:03:19   eight you know and it talks to the whole [TS]

01:03:20   Batman mythos over all right like is he [TS]

01:03:23   a cliché as far as hero you know comic [TS]

01:03:26   book characters and all that and I to a [TS]

01:03:28   certain extent maybe but like it is [TS]

01:03:30   interesting for you know a character [TS]

01:03:32   within the show to think about that [TS]

01:03:34   hey anytime I an animated series [TS]

01:03:36   theoretically for kids quotes Nietzsche [TS]

01:03:39   it's a an interesting episode that is [TS]

01:03:41   what i say i love Kevin Conroy delivery [TS]

01:03:44   of you are a hero gym [TS]

01:03:46   oh yeah so get your right there one and [TS]

01:03:49   this this again speaks to the maturity [TS]

01:03:51   of the writing in that you know this [TS]

01:03:53   isn't just saying outlook superhero [TS]

01:03:55   beats a bad guys right [TS]

01:03:57   he it's asking the kids who are watching [TS]

01:04:01   to think about their this hero on [TS]

01:04:04   multiple levels in multiple dimensions [TS]

01:04:06   to say okay is a cliche or to even be [TS]

01:04:10   evened out the idea that he's a good [TS]

01:04:12   idea right that you know that's amazing [TS]

01:04:15   and then to have [TS]

01:04:16   you know you're a hero to gym right to [TS]

01:04:19   say that [TS]

01:04:20   yeah perfectly normal mortal human being [TS]

01:04:23   over here is just as much of a hero [TS]

01:04:25   which she got that speaks to me as the [TS]

01:04:28   viewer goes again going to the [TS]

01:04:30   aspirational part it's like it's okay [TS]

01:04:33   and it's okay to have doubts and it's [TS]

01:04:35   okay to work through them [TS]

01:04:36   well plus there's the element of you [TS]

01:04:38   know and this goes back around to the [TS]

01:04:39   idea of a mortal Batman and I add that [TS]

01:04:41   another line that I remember just [TS]

01:04:43   verbatim you know from watching this [TS]

01:04:45   episode 20 20 years ago was the you know [TS]

01:04:48   sooner or later I'll go down and might [TS]

01:04:50   be the Joker twoface or just some punk [TS]

01:04:52   who gets lucky and you have the ideal [TS]

01:04:55   like yeah I mean sooner or later he's [TS]

01:04:56   gonna slip up and make a mistake because [TS]

01:04:58   he's only human and that to me is kind [TS]

01:05:00   of fascinating you to look at the [TS]

01:05:02   mortality of our superheroes and and you [TS]

01:05:05   know especially in a character is [TS]

01:05:07   predicated on a loss and grief I think [TS]

01:05:10   it's fascinating to really think about [TS]

01:05:12   that because so often are you know our [TS]

01:05:14   comic book heroes are treated as either [TS]

01:05:16   immortal I can't be hurt or treated as [TS]

01:05:19   well they doesn't matter if they're hurt [TS]

01:05:22   or killed its comic books will just [TS]

01:05:23   bring them back to life and this is a [TS]

01:05:25   Batman who is Prue you know preoccupied [TS]

01:05:27   with the idea of sooner or later I will [TS]

01:05:29   fail did I make a difference in the [TS]

01:05:31   overall the city [TS]

01:05:33   yeah i was going to say for out to make [TS]

01:05:35   them really quick to Nathan's point [TS]

01:05:36   there's a Robert Frost quote in this [TS]

01:05:37   episode because he does love Leslie he [TS]

01:05:40   has promises to keep [TS]

01:05:41   see kids you don't even you don't even [TS]

01:05:42   need to go to school to study kids from [TS]

01:05:44   that man what a lot [TS]

01:05:47   yep this is the the Common Core provided [TS]

01:05:50   by the church of Batman [TS]

01:05:51   oh you know it's good Batman left behind [TS]

01:05:54   alright moving on to harley and ivy [TS]

01:05:57   Tony alright well this is another [TS]

01:05:59   episode that is a not as much about [TS]

01:06:01   Batman as people in the Batman world you [TS]

01:06:05   know kind of one of the big questions [TS]

01:06:06   about harley quinn is why did she put up [TS]

01:06:09   with all that crap from the Joker who [TS]

01:06:10   seems to be not the greatest romantic [TS]

01:06:13   partner and so the premises episodes you [TS]

01:06:16   know basically what happens if she [TS]

01:06:17   finally has done with his crap and walks [TS]

01:06:20   out on him after a fight and the answer [TS]

01:06:22   is she falls in with poison ivy and they [TS]

01:06:25   paint the town red [TS]

01:06:26   and it's just i think it's it's a fun [TS]

01:06:30   exploration of that character I know [TS]

01:06:32   that that's a relationship then gets [TS]

01:06:33   kind of ported over into the comics and [TS]

01:06:37   it's fun to see I mean I think there are [TS]

01:06:39   other episodes later where we got even a [TS]

01:06:40   little bit more [TS]

01:06:41   hardly i think it's later we get her [TS]

01:06:43   backstory for real but I i like the [TS]

01:06:46   episodes you know I like Batman a lot [TS]

01:06:48   but i like the episodes that are you [TS]

01:06:50   know Batman is a little bit more in the [TS]

01:06:51   background that others this is another [TS]

01:06:52   Paul Dini episode and i think it's it's [TS]

01:06:55   fun to explore you know what would it be [TS]

01:06:56   like for two women supervillains to just [TS]

01:06:58   like you know Cara Gosselin apart [TS]

01:07:00   because which you know is very [TS]

01:07:02   frustrating both to Batman and the Joker [TS]

01:07:05   hilariously yes seriously headline after [TS]

01:07:08   headline of july seventh and other [TS]

01:07:09   things the players is totally getting [TS]

01:07:12   away with because they are super [TS]

01:07:13   competent team i like it when there's [TS]

01:07:15   people that are that are good at their [TS]

01:07:16   jobs and they like it and that's that's [TS]

01:07:18   Harley Quinn and poison ivy riviera so [TS]

01:07:21   having not been exposed to a lot of [TS]

01:07:22   Harley Quinn what I found amusing about [TS]

01:07:24   this character is that she's kind of [TS]

01:07:26   like a an old-time movies dame like [TS]

01:07:29   she's she's she's got the she's got the [TS]

01:07:32   kind of new yorky accent and she's like [TS]

01:07:34   separate patois yeah and she's got the [TS]

01:07:36   like she's very credulous about things [TS]

01:07:38   that she should not be credulous about [TS]

01:07:40   you just like to go yeah like she called [TS]

01:07:42   like the Joker she's like well I gotta [TS]

01:07:44   go you know she's like he's got he's [TS]

01:07:46   he's plotting and she's just having a [TS]

01:07:48   phone call with him [TS]

01:07:49   it's kind of adorable that she's just uh [TS]

01:07:51   you know she only had seems to have the [TS]

01:07:53   one level but I do also like that the [TS]

01:07:57   fact that poison ivy [TS]

01:08:00   you know she poison ivy have this good a [TS]

01:08:02   good time but they can kind of clicks in [TS]

01:08:04   a way where is the Joker's just so mean [TS]

01:08:06   to her so I i liked this episode to get [TS]

01:08:09   poison ivy says at one point almost got [TS]

01:08:11   him she's immune to the pain and [TS]

01:08:12   suffering of others but she really cares [TS]

01:08:15   about Harley which makes her a better [TS]

01:08:16   character and she's actually comes out [TS]

01:08:19   and calls hardly a victim which you know [TS]

01:08:22   is pretty huge when you think about it [TS]

01:08:24   very delicately the balance is [TS]

01:08:25   incredible but yes it's pointing out [TS]

01:08:28   domestic abuse domestic violence and and [TS]

01:08:31   and yet you know Eva well there's [TS]

01:08:33   subtext all over the places i remember [TS]

01:08:36   as a teenager wondering where Harley and [TS]

01:08:38   I these pants had gone when they [TS]

01:08:39   hang around the house commitment but [TS]

01:08:41   never having seen anything like that in [TS]

01:08:43   the cartoon before and yet when I go [TS]

01:08:45   back and watch it now it's not [TS]

01:08:46   grotesquely exploitative they're just [TS]

01:08:48   hanging out there just being pounds [TS]

01:08:50   that's what girls when they're hanging [TS]

01:08:52   out by themselves yeah haha i was gonna [TS]

01:08:56   say i like to particularly ending where [TS]

01:08:58   they're trying to get away and the [TS]

01:09:00   proclaimed loudly no man can take us [TS]

01:09:02   prisoner and then I believe me Montoya [TS]

01:09:04   shows following monday [TS]

01:09:06   yeah and it's great like to have and i [TS]

01:09:09   will say I just to say like about this [TS]

01:09:11   and I think overall I feel like a lot of [TS]

01:09:13   the portrayal of both women and [TS]

01:09:15   minorities in this show is kind of ahead [TS]

01:09:18   of its time and I think especially in [TS]

01:09:20   the current environment where we were [TS]

01:09:21   very hyper aware of that should be hyper [TS]

01:09:23   aware of that i think this show is is [TS]

01:09:26   subtle and effective in the way it does [TS]

01:09:27   that I was noticing him watching other [TS]

01:09:29   episodes as i went back how often the [TS]

01:09:31   background characters are multicolored [TS]

01:09:34   of both genders even just like the cops [TS]

01:09:36   driving by in some episodes you know you [TS]

01:09:38   got a lot of female cops got a lot of [TS]

01:09:40   you know persons of color in in variety [TS]

01:09:43   of roles across this series and I think [TS]

01:09:46   that's fantastic it really feels [TS]

01:09:47   represented as a as a kid watching this [TS]

01:09:50   certainly I feel like I internalize that [TS]

01:09:52   and so you know in some ways looking at [TS]

01:09:54   the media that we see it today and [TS]

01:09:57   looking back in 20 years I feel like [TS]

01:09:59   sometimes we were out of ourselves 20 [TS]

01:10:00   years ago when I i love Renee Montoya [TS]

01:10:03   and especially later in the comics [TS]

01:10:06   seeing her as in central figure in [TS]

01:10:07   Gotham central that was that was [TS]

01:10:09   wonderful i'm still waiting for the the [TS]

01:10:12   animated version of her is the question [TS]

01:10:14   someday yep oh yeah I'm all for it ok so [TS]

01:10:17   that brings us to the demons quest parts [TS]

01:10:19   1 & 2 viewers of arrow may may be amused [TS]

01:10:23   by this and some characters that got [TS]

01:10:25   ported over to arrow but hand-raised [TS]

01:10:27   appropriately and plotting created it's [TS]

01:10:30   a rate racial google mixed so tell us no [TS]

01:10:34   demons quest part 1 into so this is not [TS]

01:10:36   the first appearance of racial but it's [TS]

01:10:39   the kind of like the big two-part uh its [TS]

01:10:41   arc that he gets in a [TS]

01:10:43   Batman the Animated Series the League of [TS]

01:10:45   Shadows I believe that's what they're [TS]

01:10:47   called because maybe calling the League [TS]

01:10:48   of Assassins is too scary for 11 year [TS]

01:10:50   olds so they had previously appeared in [TS]

01:10:52   an episode there's a count vertigo [TS]

01:10:54   steals about a gun on there's a very [TS]

01:10:57   Hitchcock ass ex episode where Batman [TS]

01:11:00   has to like like closes eyes and fight [TS]

01:11:02   people's to avoid being losing his his [TS]

01:11:05   powers due to vertigo but anyway in this [TS]

01:11:07   episode [TS]

01:11:08   this is another episode that i really [TS]

01:11:10   like because the show has very different [TS]

01:11:13   tones at times like I like that heart of [TS]

01:11:15   steel is this like science fiction [TS]

01:11:16   horror episode and this is almost like [TS]

01:11:18   you're kind of like Indiana Jones [TS]

01:11:20   globe-trotting episode / James Bond [TS]

01:11:23   slashing well that's why I kept thinking [TS]

01:11:25   where / Richard Kipling adventure yeah [TS]

01:11:28   where Batman is theoretically looking [TS]

01:11:32   for he ends up kind of globe-trotting [TS]

01:11:36   because robin has been abducted and [TS]

01:11:38   Rachel shows up and says my daughter [TS]

01:11:40   Talia who you met before has also been [TS]

01:11:41   abducted [TS]

01:11:42   let's team up' included trot around the [TS]

01:11:44   globe and see what we can find out but [TS]

01:11:46   you'll know if people who are in any way [TS]

01:11:48   from the right Batman or arrow will not [TS]

01:11:50   be surprised to find out that rachel is [TS]

01:11:52   the actual villain he is not just [TS]

01:11:54   someone looking to try to find his [TS]

01:11:55   daughter and he's in fact he's actually [TS]

01:11:57   testing batman because he believes [TS]

01:11:59   Batman is capable of being his [TS]

01:12:01   replacement so we get a bunch of [TS]

01:12:04   globe-trotting we get appearances of the [TS]

01:12:05   Lazarus Pit and we get this kind of epic [TS]

01:12:08   showdown where they they're fighting [TS]

01:12:10   next to this Lazarus Pit and there's a [TS]

01:12:11   there's an evil satellite that's going [TS]

01:12:13   to destroy the world so this is you know [TS]

01:12:14   the the Joker is kind of like the [TS]

01:12:17   classic Batman rifle butt in the [TS]

01:12:19   animated series ratio goal is like the [TS]

01:12:21   biggest villain I think that Batman feet [TS]

01:12:23   death has to encounter in terms of he's [TS]

01:12:25   basically like this [TS]

01:12:26   eco-terrorists that's almost successful [TS]

01:12:29   yeah yeah so this is I like this I mean [TS]

01:12:32   this episode feels like like an action [TS]

01:12:34   movie that happens to be 2 22 minute [TS]

01:12:37   animated this one struck me is the most [TS]

01:12:39   comic book of all the episodes we [TS]

01:12:41   watched partly because this was the one [TS]

01:12:44   instance at least in our episodes and [TS]

01:12:46   possibly in the whole series where [TS]

01:12:48   Batman saves the entire world and [TS]

01:12:50   there's no justice league around yet [TS]

01:12:52   helping him [TS]

01:12:53   well that's that's in part because it's [TS]

01:12:54   based on [TS]

01:12:55   the comics and it's written by dennis [TS]

01:12:56   o'neil the guy who wrote the comics and [TS]

01:12:58   created ratio goal on the apparent this [TS]

01:13:00   was actually my least favorite of the [TS]

01:13:02   selection it for whatever reason this [TS]

01:13:04   one particularly felt like it was kind [TS]

01:13:06   of padded kind of drawn out that if they [TS]

01:13:10   weren't trying to feel like to entire [TS]

01:13:12   episodes that it didn't need to be as [TS]

01:13:15   long as it was you know poor Robin is [TS]

01:13:18   just you know it gets abducted then he's [TS]

01:13:19   pretty much baggage the rest of the way [TS]

01:13:21   so this one didn't keep my attention the [TS]

01:13:24   way the others did for some reason I'm [TS]

01:13:26   on the other side from Jana and this 1i [TS]

01:13:28   really Rachel google is one of my [TS]

01:13:30   favorites and I really like him here [TS]

01:13:32   especially David Warner from yes a great [TS]

01:13:35   long time after I love his delivery [TS]

01:13:38   I love the testing the fact that [TS]

01:13:40   immediately he's like oh yeah I totally [TS]

01:13:42   figured out you're Bruce Wayne by the [TS]

01:13:43   way because it's really not that hard [TS]

01:13:45   yeah i went to basically who can afford [TS]

01:13:48   all the crap that man has it and I have [TS]

01:13:50   a description of you and basically I [TS]

01:13:52   just ran some cross-referencing I yeah [TS]

01:13:55   the plan is comic book being [TS]

01:13:56   over-the-top and I think that's why I [TS]

01:13:58   definitely feels James Bondish to me [TS]

01:14:00   especially at the end with the [TS]

01:14:01   satellites during the world i agree [TS]

01:14:03   about that the stakes are a little more [TS]

01:14:04   heightened than a lot of the other [TS]

01:14:07   episodes but it does feel to me it comes [TS]

01:14:09   off feeling epic and a lot of places [TS]

01:14:11   especially when they sort of there's [TS]

01:14:14   both this go back into this like battle [TS]

01:14:16   of the wits going on between between [TS]

01:14:18   Batman and Rachel goal as batman's like [TS]

01:14:21   one think this guy's not on the level [TS]

01:14:23   but I don't want to let him into that [TS]

01:14:25   and Rachel goals testing him and all [TS]

01:14:27   that back and forth and I really enjoy [TS]

01:14:29   that I enjoy evil Rachel go after get [TS]

01:14:32   certain to Lazarus Pit just jumps out [TS]

01:14:35   all buff laughing maniacally it's pretty [TS]

01:14:38   great [TS]

01:14:39   it's not an episode without problems [TS]

01:14:42   there's definitely uh you know tutored [TS]

01:14:44   not retract put a dent in my previous [TS]

01:14:46   statement about the representations of [TS]

01:14:48   minorities and people of color this one [TS]

01:14:51   gets a little little cliche there [TS]

01:14:53   yeah possibly kind of offensive but for [TS]

01:14:58   Helen Slater doesn't get to do a whole [TS]

01:15:00   lot is Talia know she's sister does get [TS]

01:15:03   to snap ratio go out of his kids crazy [TS]

01:15:05   coma which I thought was a nice little [TS]

01:15:07   moment of agency real character but yea [TS]

01:15:09   mostly she's just hey I'm standing [TS]

01:15:12   around looking hot and slinky and doing [TS]

01:15:13   nothing [TS]

01:15:14   yeah the the boob window unfortunate [TS]

01:15:17   they will be worse the window this side [TS]

01:15:19   of power girl i guess and also there is [TS]

01:15:22   a painful moments sisters you have [TS]

01:15:24   painful moment when a when he's trying [TS]

01:15:26   to get Rick supposedly recruit Batman to [TS]

01:15:29   be the new you know his replacement [TS]

01:15:31   because he's dying accepted because the [TS]

01:15:32   Lazarus Pit he's not dying and he's like [TS]

01:15:35   no I must have a new man to replace me [TS]

01:15:37   and it's like I'm yeah you had to say a [TS]

01:15:39   new man [TS]

01:15:40   your daughter is standing right there [TS]

01:15:42   she seemed she's got a lot going on but [TS]

01:15:44   it's like nope not gonna do that all [TS]

01:15:46   she's got is her yeah she's just there [TS]

01:15:49   to to reference Batman and to have to [TS]

01:15:52   look pretty and it's it's unfortunate [TS]

01:15:54   gap in keeping the one of the better [TS]

01:15:56   places i think that the arrow version of [TS]

01:15:58   the story did which was actually have [TS]

01:16:00   the daughter be like why not me [TS]

01:16:02   yeah and there's no good answer why not [TS]

01:16:04   write that means like yeah you are very [TS]

01:16:06   competent you should probably do this [TS]

01:16:07   not not the hero [TS]

01:16:09   yeah at least at least this version of [TS]

01:16:11   racial goal seems to actually have a [TS]

01:16:13   like an interest in an agenda other than [TS]

01:16:16   just the perpetuation of his own secret [TS]

01:16:18   societies yeah no he's just interested [TS]

01:16:20   in the world [TS]

01:16:21   David Warner super charismatic it works [TS]

01:16:23   really well on that on that score I [TS]

01:16:24   liked it when he's dying dying except [TS]

01:16:27   you know the date that you put them in [TS]

01:16:28   the Lazarus Pit he's got a moment that's [TS]

01:16:30   very reminded me very much of a scene in [TS]

01:16:32   Star Trek six when he's done he was like [TS]

01:16:34   don't let it in this way Batman but uh [TS]

01:16:37   but he's really good and you know [TS]

01:16:39   yeah the v his some of his henchmen are [TS]

01:16:42   super stereotypy but i do like the fact [TS]

01:16:44   that he is so sharp and and charismatic [TS]

01:16:47   and such a really interesting villain in [TS]

01:16:49   a way that the over-the-top you know a [TS]

01:16:52   lot of the old-timey villains and DC's [TS]

01:16:54   got more of those and Marvel just [TS]

01:16:56   because if it was it is older where [TS]

01:16:59   there's like a super simple concept that [TS]

01:17:01   is the entire concept for that villain [TS]

01:17:03   you see this in a flash a lot [TS]

01:17:05   one of the things I like about racial [TS]

01:17:06   cool is that he's not that he's like [TS]

01:17:08   he's a mastermind is this thing he's not [TS]

01:17:11   like telling jokes or turning things [TS]

01:17:13   into ice [TS]

01:17:14   he's just super smart and kind of [TS]

01:17:17   deranged an evil and i like that i like [TS]

01:17:19   his depth of character [TS]

01:17:21   yeah he's not going to try and kill you [TS]

01:17:22   with a giant penny right before he's [TS]

01:17:25   trying to save the world [TS]

01:17:26   yeah poor or ask you a series of riddles [TS]

01:17:28   or or right play a practical joke on you [TS]

01:17:31   he's that's not what he's done is he's [TS]

01:17:32   gonna he's gonna reset the world to a [TS]

01:17:34   better state where the human population [TS]

01:17:35   is you know only ten percent of what it [TS]

01:17:37   is now that's right i'm with dan on this [TS]

01:17:40   one is even with the problems with some [TS]

01:17:44   of the characters i I just I love the [TS]

01:17:47   scale of it and the scope of it and yeah [TS]

01:17:50   if this were every episode I wouldn't [TS]

01:17:52   like it as much but it's the only one [TS]

01:17:55   it's it's like this one little you know [TS]

01:17:56   it's like see we can do the [TS]

01:17:57   globe-trotting adventure and we can have [TS]

01:18:00   the immortal villain who's insane in a [TS]

01:18:04   different way and it at the time when i [TS]

01:18:07   first thought I had never heard of [TS]

01:18:09   racial ma'am either and I went out and I [TS]

01:18:12   bought the tales of the demon trade [TS]

01:18:15   paperback and just poured through all [TS]

01:18:17   the stuff and went oh my god Danny [TS]

01:18:19   O'Neil and then and that sort of led me [TS]

01:18:21   through the 70 0 because I really hadn't [TS]

01:18:25   followed the comic books at all and and [TS]

01:18:29   so I i described got to discover this [TS]

01:18:31   whole new realm of Batman stories in [TS]

01:18:33   this whole new depth of that pan that I [TS]

01:18:35   had no idea about so i will always liked [TS]

01:18:39   this episode just for introducing me to [TS]

01:18:41   that and and the denny o'neil and Neal [TS]

01:18:43   Adams version of Batman alright so what [TS]

01:18:46   did we learn about batman the animated [TS]

01:18:47   series we walked we walked through um I [TS]

01:18:51   if I'm curious well let me give you my [TS]

01:18:54   report is a new viewer and then maybe [TS]

01:18:55   we'll go around and everybody could say [TS]

01:18:57   some last thing they love but maybe [TS]

01:18:59   episode we didn't watch that you want to [TS]

01:19:00   recommend i like I said I didn't like [TS]

01:19:04   the first one but i liked the rest of [TS]

01:19:06   them I thought it was really smart i [TS]

01:19:07   love had the look of it i love that old [TS]

01:19:09   style you know Fleischer Superman [TS]

01:19:11   cartoon kind of influence great voice [TS]

01:19:17   casting some [TS]

01:19:18   using voice casting in hindsight you can [TS]

01:19:20   really tell you know you look at the [TS]

01:19:22   cast list like wow this is just amazing [TS]

01:19:24   collection of people so yeah I thought [TS]

01:19:28   it was really smart and fun and working [TS]

01:19:30   in a format that kind of unforgiving [TS]

01:19:32   right i mean to tell a complete story in [TS]

01:19:33   22 minutes i can see why they do the two [TS]

01:19:35   partners because that is really tough if [TS]

01:19:38   you're gonna tackle this stuff to tell a [TS]

01:19:40   story this fast and they pack a lot in [TS]

01:19:42   its they're there they're very dense and [TS]

01:19:44   during fun is the economics of [TS]

01:19:46   storytelling in it are impressed you and [TS]

01:19:48   I like that I like that at times it has [TS]

01:19:50   a sense of humor to like that moment [TS]

01:19:51   that we mentioned where Batman Batman [TS]

01:19:53   laughs uh the he I the batman animated [TS]

01:19:59   series that i watch the most is actually [TS]

01:20:01   batman the brave and the bold because it [TS]

01:20:02   was coming out at exactly the right age [TS]

01:20:04   for my son to become obsessed with it [TS]

01:20:06   and so I watched a lot of those and the [TS]

01:20:08   thing I liked about that now is a much [TS]

01:20:09   lighter lighter tone but the thing I [TS]

01:20:11   loved about that series was Batman it [TS]

01:20:14   can be very funny and not not [TS]

01:20:17   necessarily in the campy Adam West way [TS]

01:20:19   but in the very superdry Batman way [TS]

01:20:24   where he seen it all he's a little bit [TS]

01:20:26   weary and he can comment on the [TS]

01:20:29   goings-on around him in a way that you [TS]

01:20:31   know he's got he's so serious and the [TS]

01:20:33   villains are also wild that he it makes [TS]

01:20:36   room for a lot of really dry hilarious [TS]

01:20:38   commentary and I love that about batman [TS]

01:20:40   the brave and the bold but there is some [TS]

01:20:41   of that here and every time I got [TS]

01:20:44   something like that I just loved it [TS]

01:20:46   because I feel like that's like we don't [TS]

01:20:47   we don't we don't see that enough of [TS]

01:20:49   Batman's ride commentary about all the [TS]

01:20:51   stupid things that are going on around [TS]

01:20:52   him and I enjoy it when when it happened [TS]

01:20:54   so yeah I liked it as a return viewer [TS]

01:20:58   RSA is a new viewer I who missed the [TS]

01:21:01   first time around [TS]

01:21:02   so that's my that's my take ok let's go [TS]

01:21:03   around and if you've got any last [TS]

01:21:05   thoughts and an episode that you love [TS]

01:21:07   maybe that wasn't on Tony's Tony's [TS]

01:21:09   excellent top 10 list [TS]

01:21:11   David what do you think well I mean I [TS]

01:21:14   love so many episodes but everyone David [TS]

01:21:17   one well yeah I i will i will pick the [TS]

01:21:20   two feature films because that man Mr [TS]

01:21:23   Freeze of 0 is brilliant part of one [TS]

01:21:26   didn't you understand [TS]

01:21:27   i love the fact that mask of the [TS]

01:21:29   phantasm gave my father nightmares I [TS]

01:21:32   just like when we asked you to pick one [TS]

01:21:34   episode and you can be moved to the [TS]

01:21:35   sub-zero myself because David picks up [TS]

01:21:40   the first 20 minutes of sub-zero Nathan [TS]

01:21:42   what about you [TS]

01:21:43   beware the Gray Ghost Batman has with an [TS]

01:21:46   out-of-work actor who played his [TS]

01:21:48   childhood superhero I know plate played [TS]

01:21:50   by adding side west [TS]

01:21:52   yes it's a beautiful performance it's [TS]

01:21:54   moving it's funny [TS]

01:21:55   it works on multiple levels it's maybe [TS]

01:21:57   his best batman performance ever [TS]

01:21:59   it's maybe Adam was best performance [TS]

01:22:01   ever period Shannon um there's still so [TS]

01:22:05   many ok I'm going weird with sideshow [TS]

01:22:10   which is someone that features Killer [TS]

01:22:13   Croc who in trying to escape Batman [TS]

01:22:15   falls in with this group of circus [TS]

01:22:18   freaks that you know are no longer with [TS]

01:22:21   the circus and just trying to survive [TS]

01:22:22   together and you know for a short brief [TS]

01:22:25   moment of time killer croc has found his [TS]

01:22:28   tribe and people that you know accept [TS]

01:22:30   him for who he is don't judge him don't [TS]

01:22:32   think he's horrifying you know and then [TS]

01:22:35   of course you know Batman has to come [TS]

01:22:37   and take him back because he was [TS]

01:22:39   committing crimes when Batman was [TS]

01:22:40   chasing him just do the way they explore [TS]

01:22:44   from the side so many of these classic [TS]

01:22:47   characters or introduce characters in [TS]

01:22:50   such a way that they are [TS]

01:22:52   multi-dimensional that there's more to [TS]

01:22:54   them than just our than just being bad [TS]

01:22:57   that some one of the things i love about [TS]

01:22:58   this series damn about you how the one [TS]

01:23:02   thing I friend forgot to mention overall [TS]

01:23:04   that I really want to mention a couple [TS]

01:23:06   things one I love the title cards not [TS]

01:23:09   something you see done in a lot of other [TS]

01:23:11   shows of this ilk they're beautifully [TS]

01:23:13   animated and you get the writer and [TS]

01:23:15   director like really upfront which I [TS]

01:23:17   feel like it's something that was not [TS]

01:23:18   also acknowledged and a lot of other [TS]

01:23:19   animated shows of this era to just to [TS]

01:23:23   take away like sort of your talk about [TS]

01:23:24   the character of Batman upfront and I [TS]

01:23:27   think for me again i internalized a lot [TS]

01:23:29   of what was shown here this version of [TS]

01:23:31   Batman in terms of like beyond the code [TS]

01:23:34   of honor I think I think informed a lot [TS]

01:23:36   of you know just personally like things [TS]

01:23:38   that I think about like well there's [TS]

01:23:39   justice and fair play like those are all [TS]

01:23:41   really important qualities here in this [TS]

01:23:42   Batman is not someone who has spent like [TS]

01:23:45   constantly watching them to the edge [TS]

01:23:46   this is someone who is has a strong code [TS]

01:23:49   and it here's to it pretty much the [TS]

01:23:51   whole way through with occasion you know [TS]

01:23:52   couple minor doubts here and there but i [TS]

01:23:54   think you know essentially always tries [TS]

01:23:56   to do the right thing and that is that [TS]

01:23:58   is what we look for in our heroes and in [TS]

01:24:00   particular that's what informed you know [TS]

01:24:02   my understanding of superheroes and [TS]

01:24:04   heroes and generals well so i really [TS]

01:24:06   appreciate that [TS]

01:24:07   as for favorite episodes i already [TS]

01:24:09   mentioned I'm a big bat girl fan so I [TS]

01:24:11   actually watched shadow the bad parts 12 [TS]

01:24:13   for this and I will say that those are [TS]

01:24:15   personally I think one of my other [TS]

01:24:18   favorite episode so love those two [TS]

01:24:20   yes yeah they're they're great they're [TS]

01:24:22   there one there one episode intense ok [TS]

01:24:24   and Tony did you do you have a favorite [TS]

01:24:27   episode that's not among the 10 that you [TS]

01:24:29   yourself picked out my list i was [TS]

01:24:33   heavily sedated toward episodes that are [TS]

01:24:34   my favorite on the one that didn't make [TS]

01:24:36   my list i would put a shadow the bat as [TS]

01:24:39   that was the next on the list of the [TS]

01:24:42   Damned picked it which is great [TS]

01:24:43   the next one I probably would add to the [TS]

01:24:45   list is more of a personal favorite for [TS]

01:24:47   me i don't know if it has much broader [TS]

01:24:48   appeal the man who killed Batman values [TS]

01:24:52   yes Sid the squid who's kind of a [TS]

01:24:54   nebbish incompetent get wannabe gangster [TS]

01:24:57   appears to have inadvertently killed [TS]

01:24:59   Batman and basically uh wins the [TS]

01:25:03   adoration of all the other like hoods in [TS]

01:25:05   Gotham but then gets like interrogated [TS]

01:25:08   by Rupert thorne and then later abducted [TS]

01:25:10   by the Joker who and who brings them to [TS]

01:25:11   like a funeral for Batman who is [TS]

01:25:14   outraged that not only is Batman dead [TS]

01:25:16   but that's it the squid killed him [TS]

01:25:18   spoiling this pedestal and not a moment [TS]

01:25:21   of the Joker in the whole series yes [TS]

01:25:22   broken it's beautiful [TS]

01:25:24   yeah it is and it yeah and that is matt [TS]

01:25:26   frewer the man behind max & erma's the [TS]

01:25:28   voices of the squid and and let us not [TS]

01:25:30   forget I've got that man in my base that [TS]

01:25:33   would let Tony hates me so much for even [TS]

01:25:37   mentioning it like that was not high [TS]

01:25:39   it's ridiculous them that it's one of [TS]

01:25:41   the unfortunate ones where it's like can [TS]

01:25:44   you have something that appeals to kids [TS]

01:25:45   that doesn't have kids in it so it's [TS]

01:25:46   like a kid has to rescue Batman um it's [TS]

01:25:49   and there's like a home alone sequence [TS]

01:25:50   it I I the Church of Batman recognize it [TS]

01:25:53   as a batman the animated series episode [TS]

01:25:55   and we leave it at that [TS]

01:25:56   it's Apocrypha alright well Tony how do [TS]

01:25:58   you think we did have we do thank you [TS]

01:26:00   for putting together rrr list here did [TS]

01:26:02   we sufficiently praise Batman I think so [TS]

01:26:05   thank you for sticking with you know I [TS]

01:26:06   thought ten episodes was reasonable but [TS]

01:26:08   I realized that was a significant [TS]

01:26:09   understand undertaking so I appreciate [TS]

01:26:11   that everybody did that I like that [TS]

01:26:13   people had different favorite and least [TS]

01:26:15   favorite on a list i feel like i did a [TS]

01:26:17   good job at making a list that that [TS]

01:26:20   there were once that people have very [TS]

01:26:21   strong feelings about so that's that's [TS]

01:26:22   good i'm sure we're going to get [TS]

01:26:24   listener mail from people who are like [TS]

01:26:25   why didn't you include XYZ nerds you're [TS]

01:26:29   wrong haha that's what's really good I [TS]

01:26:33   don't know a case can be made for the [TS]

01:26:35   tooth for the two-faced episode the two [TS]

01:26:37   days episode is net i have a list that [TS]

01:26:38   goes I the original list was 20 episodes [TS]

01:26:41   long was that [TS]

01:26:42   yeah I would've added like Robins [TS]

01:26:44   reckoning yeah that's ever happened to [TS]

01:26:46   me but you guys literally made when the [TS]

01:26:48   next level is so and that all i can say [TS]

01:26:50   is only 20 i look forward to our [TS]

01:26:53   forthcoming podcast random Batman you [TS]

01:26:56   ready [TS]

01:26:57   I can imagine with every episode of all [TS]

01:27:00   Batman series animated and live-action [TS]

01:27:01   plus the movies [TS]

01:27:03   it's gonna be great look for look for [TS]

01:27:04   Tony single are stirring around and [TS]

01:27:06   bring a bad man i'm already doing that [TS]

01:27:07   podcast I just don't record or releasing [TS]

01:27:09   all right here in my house [TS]

01:27:12   yeah probably so alright well that this [TS]

01:27:15   has been a lot of fun and I enjoyed [TS]

01:27:17   finally seeing this show that I've heard [TS]

01:27:19   so much about but never really actually [TS]

01:27:21   sat down and watched so thank you to my [TS]

01:27:23   my guests for talking about it with me [TS]

01:27:25   on this episode of the uncomfortable dan [TS]

01:27:27   more'n thank you as always we're all [TS]

01:27:29   Batman Jason ok Batman David Laura Thank [TS]

01:27:33   You Batman I hi i am i'm also robin i [TS]

01:27:36   think sometimes make maybe a Nightwing [TS]

01:27:38   anyway sounds like a person general [TS]

01:27:40   Nathan alderman great to have you on [TS]

01:27:42   after many years of service in other [TS]

01:27:44   media to come to the uncomfortable this [TS]

01:27:46   time thanks for being here [TS]

01:27:47   thanks for letting me be your sidekick [TS]

01:27:49   are you can get you can get in the [TS]

01:27:51   sidecar anytime [TS]

01:27:52   Shannon southern thank you for being [TS]

01:27:55   here [TS]

01:27:56   you're welcome back girl already know [TS]

01:27:58   yeah and Tony sindelar thank you for [TS]

01:28:01   putting this together made Batman always [TS]

01:28:04   be with you tonight hurts and I can't [TS]

01:28:07   top that [TS]

01:28:08   thanks everybody for listening to this [TS]

01:28:09   episode of the incomparable we will see [TS]

01:28:11   you next time [TS]

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