00:00:02 ◼ ► Can I call you Katie here? Yeah, okay. My first name is Kevin. Uh-huh, right and my second my last
00:00:15 ◼ ► This year what percentage you plan on giving on the court 90 95 100 110. What are we looking at?
00:00:25 ◼ ► 110 110 I just got off the phone with the Dolan family and they said that they're talking to the Commissioner now
00:00:36 ◼ ► For days off you'll be able to play for the Knicks comments. All right, Dave. That was the last one
00:00:57 ◼ ► Yeah, okay, all right, that's all I got that's it everybody thank you good night, why did why did they call you JS Jason
00:01:29 ◼ ► Have I have a theory on this now now one of the reasons it delighted me that this dropped this gem of a
00:02:15 ◼ ► 110 the way that like the census person would be like how many how many children under the age of 18 do you have in?
00:02:36 ◼ ► Media day for the NBA that literally I mean that that was kind of his bit was always he's a TV guy, but he's also
00:02:52 ◼ ► but I assume for somebody in the Nets PR to be willing to let David Letterman kind of sit in the the media day scrum and
00:03:05 ◼ ► I have a theory and it didn't even occur to me until I was putting together show notes for this and all of a sudden
00:03:23 ◼ ► And then and then they're doing they're doing a bit that we'll see the other side of mm-hmm
00:03:28 ◼ ► On Netflix at some point that makes sense that that checks out. Yeah, because and I kind he's kind of a fascinating figure
00:03:45 ◼ ► Anatomical freak he's seven feet tall, but he doesn't play like a center. He plays like a guard and
00:03:57 ◼ ► Talented but personality wise he's I don't know. What's the word mercurial? He's he's very hard
00:04:21 ◼ ► You know not quite up close but every day because he was with the Warriors for a couple of years and yeah
00:04:28 ◼ ► I mean we always like watch the Warriors and we always joke. Oh, hey, that's Steph Curry. He's good at basketball with Kevin Durant
00:04:43 ◼ ► alien came down and said I can play your basketball because he's he's the wrong size and
00:04:55 ◼ ► That's above the NBA and he for some reason has been sent down here for a while because it doesn't make sense
00:05:05 ◼ ► I I think he is exactly the type of guy that Letterman would want to talk to and see if he could get some like
00:05:11 ◼ ► Really crack the egg a little bit about right what he's thinking and I kind of feel like this like and and I so I think
00:05:17 ◼ ► Like Letterman surprised him and he didn't he wasn't he didn't know that Letterman was gonna be on the call. I think he knew
00:05:29 ◼ ► And then he finally did when he asked him. I would they're trying to get Letterman off the line
00:05:41 ◼ ► That made me laugh so hard because I mentioned we went to actually to a Warriors game where they played the Pelicans and I mentioned
00:05:49 ◼ ► To my wife that they're playing the Pelicans and she looks at me and she goes haha and I don't know what she says
00:05:56 ◼ ► That's not a real team and it it became a running joke in our house that the Pelicans was just something you made up
00:06:05 ◼ ► That's not a team and then Letterman does the same bit who's like do you hear the word Pelicans and just laugh?
00:06:14 ◼ ► I mean, I'm not putting the team down but it is oh it's a very odd nickname for a sports franchise and and it sort of
00:06:24 ◼ ► You know like like with the great Incredibles franchise at Pixar and and they've decided we're just gonna make our own
00:06:34 ◼ ► Universes superheroes rather than rely on Marvel. I mean obviously at this point Pixar couldn't there use Marvel because it's a Disney but
00:06:41 ◼ ► it'd be easier for the the stories they want to tell to just you know, and we'll we'll use some of the
00:07:00 ◼ ► Who's like the flash and you know, there's there's super power, you know, superpowers are sort of like a list
00:07:06 ◼ ► You can choose from sure but then you you get down the list and you can maybe phone some of them in right and and
00:07:12 ◼ ► For the you wouldn't really make a superhero like something but you know 37 superheroes down the list
00:07:26 ◼ ► You might make up some teams like the pelican right down down at 28 29 30. You're like, I don't know pelicans. Let's just say pelicans
00:07:36 ◼ ► So it's also like wait did I miss like if you don't follow the NBA that closely and you know
00:07:41 ◼ ► We don't really in our house. So we are very fair-weather. Oh are the Warriors in the finals. Hooray kind of people
00:07:51 ◼ ► Because they were the Hornets and then they gave the name of the Hornets back to Charlotte and they got a new name
00:07:59 ◼ ► So yes apologies to pelicans fans. I saw them but I saw the Warriors play the Zion Williamson is great
00:08:13 ◼ ► Were like the general manager and the marketing manager and and the owner of the franchise, right?
00:08:22 ◼ ► Making a list of fake names and you're not even going to really feature this team in your movie
00:08:26 ◼ ► But like when you're you're all in this is your life. You're going to be a you know, 18 hours a day all year long
00:08:38 ◼ ► Yeah, and you wouldn't pick a team like the Pelicans but a name like the Pelicans but you know, there we are
00:08:43 ◼ ► You know New Orleans Jazz, it's right there. Well, they think they used to be in New Orleans. That's why they're called jazz
00:08:50 ◼ ► I don't know how they kept the jazz in Utah. That should have a Utah name like the Utah assault, right?
00:09:00 ◼ ► Utah assault all the local broadcasters and all the local writers are gonna say oh my god
00:09:05 ◼ ► Thank you for giving us the name salt because now we can do all of these like salt puns and like seasoned veterans
00:09:12 ◼ ► And like oh my god, it's gonna be great. But instead they're the jazz. So alright fine. Pelicans is still available
00:09:19 ◼ ► They had the best nickname that told you exactly what city they were from New Orleans and then
00:09:41 ◼ ► Somebody talked about like sure again Mike sure and Joe Paz Nansky the sports writer have a podcast and where they talk mostly about baseball
00:09:52 ◼ ► You should just have to change your name and like as the fan of a of a baseball team that moved from New York
00:10:01 ◼ ► Maybe you should leave the name behind and if somebody wants to pick it up later, they can pick it up later
00:10:13 ◼ ► Trolley Dodgers right from the trolleys in Brooklyn. There are no trolleys to dodge in LA but they kept the name and it sort of just
00:10:21 ◼ ► Nothing now and there's an argument to be made that you should let let the let the jazz lay there and maybe one day in
00:10:28 ◼ ► The future another team in New Orleans will pick it up, but that's not what happened. Yeah, I think it's dear
00:10:43 ◼ ► Right. It was like almost like a land rush right there where and baseball in particular
00:10:49 ◼ ► It was entirely East Coast like I don't know what the West western most franchise was maybe Kansas City
00:10:56 ◼ ► I'm not great at knowing. No, no st. Louis. I think was the there wasn't a Kansas City team at that point
00:11:13 ◼ ► Okay, I wasn't sure when they came into being in there in Chicago. But anyway, they all traveled by train
00:11:24 ◼ ► Western part of the country that also has fantastic weather and lots of baseball fans and and so, you know the
00:11:32 ◼ ► Teams like the Dodgers and the Giants, you know, it was it it it didn't feel like they were moving and becoming a different team
00:12:07 ◼ ► Dodgers owner knew that he wanted to move to LA and he kinda conned the Giants owner into moving to San Francisco
00:12:16 ◼ ► But but you know it worked it worked out for everybody including the Yankees it just yeah we could I mean it's all theoretical anyway
00:12:27 ◼ ► Moved to Baltimore that they left the yeah Browns behind and let the new Browns come in and I like that the Hornets
00:12:37 ◼ ► But I think it's nice that they got their name back and they don't have to be that whatever they were the Bobcats or something
00:12:48 ◼ ► Identity kind of belongs to the city and that you can take your team if you need to but you got to leave the leave
00:12:54 ◼ ► The laundry leave the name by the door on your way out right and now the Browns are good again, finally
00:13:00 ◼ ► But we are a long last they are they are actually good again only took like since Bernie Kosar
00:13:06 ◼ ► Yeah, like literally they haven't been good since before they were not there for a while before Bill Belichick was there. Yep
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00:16:07 ◼ ► You're familiar with the rumors the rampant rumors from multiple sources that the Apple watch series 7 was going to have flat
00:16:14 ◼ ► Sides and you know this sort of design language of the the current iPhones and iPads and then it didn't happen
00:16:35 ◼ ► We were right. It doesn't matter if it didn't happen. We were right Apple canceled it at the last minute
00:16:40 ◼ ► Well, that doesn't make any sense because Apple watch series 7 is clearly all new it is a new form factor with entirely different screen
00:16:53 ◼ ► I just jam it in there and now they're both real but here's my theory. My theory is what if the flat side?
00:17:02 ◼ ► But it's the new low-end model like what we're about to get in the coming weeks at some point
00:17:09 ◼ ► You know because it was not ready when it was announced a couple weeks ago as series 7 was always intended to be series 7
00:17:22 ◼ ► Was intended and whether it was intended to ship now or maybe it's one of those like off cycle things like the iPhone SE that often
00:17:33 ◼ ► And therefore it to me would fit with Apple's needs where right now they're still selling the Apple watch series 3
00:17:43 ◼ ► I've actually wore my series 3 last week paired with a review unit and it's like this thing's a little long in the tooth
00:17:54 ◼ ► yeah, but on the other hand they kind of want that product marketing thing where there is a
00:18:09 ◼ ► I don't I don't believe it would be the low-end watch because I feel like there's still mileage in the SE that they
00:18:15 ◼ ► Released last year. In fact, I'm the thing about the series 3 that that boggles my mind
00:18:20 ◼ ► Is that the SE looks by all accounts you look at it and you're like, this is the entry-level watch
00:18:27 ◼ ► This is what Apple wants the entry-level watch to be and yet whatever their calculations are about how much margin they need to make
00:18:32 ◼ ► they can't get it down to the price where they can pull the series 3 out of the equation and
00:18:56 ◼ ► Can't compete with and it feels to me like the SE they can't get it down there to their satisfaction
00:19:05 ◼ ► So could there be another like designed to be even cheaper than the SE version of the Apple watch on
00:19:11 ◼ ► The way at some point to get a tracker market. Maybe my theory about the Apple watch rumor is
00:19:29 ◼ ► But Apple leaks from weird locations because Apple tries to prevent leaks even though things do leak
00:19:39 ◼ ► But they also are trying different stuff that doesn't end up being products people play games of telephone
00:19:48 ◼ ► But isn't true any longer a lot of the gotchas people do when when rumor reports are wrong. I
00:19:58 ◼ ► There are liars out there, but I think most of the people in this stuff who have a batting average
00:20:02 ◼ ► I think what they're getting is information that may have at one time, but it doesn't always stay true
00:20:15 ◼ ► But there were some assumptions somewhere in the chain about when it was gonna come out that were wrong
00:20:26 ◼ ► So they saw a new industrial design for the Apple edge like oh you got you got to know about this
00:20:31 ◼ ► It'll probably be out. I don't know 2021 and it turns out that at some point in that process
00:20:37 ◼ ► Apple said we can't ship this and they pushed it back and that doesn't mean that those rumors are completely
00:20:49 ◼ ► Apple changed direction and you might say well, why did we hear about it a week before the event that they were totally gonna do this?
00:20:59 ◼ ► but you go back far enough in the chain and you realize it was kind of stale information and it probably changed a while ago and
00:21:09 ◼ ► And the big hole in my theory is that the Apple watch SE there's only been one model of Apple watch SE so far
00:21:35 ◼ ► Let it sink let it sink in price maybe but you like you keep it around and you ride that for a while because it's designed
00:21:40 ◼ ► To be the one that does that that the three still being around is weird and I'm positive that they don't want it to be around
00:21:52 ◼ ► I don't know. They're making too much money on the SE to replace the three with the SE. I don't know what it is
00:21:58 ◼ ► So supply chain in 2021 be maybe maybe they got a lot of parts for that that series 3 and they're like we got to sell
00:22:04 ◼ ► Through all these parts first before we can get rid of this thing. So my other theory is that
00:22:09 ◼ ► A lot of rumors out there about right the Apple watch hasn't changed in the whatever six seven years
00:22:17 ◼ ► Yeah, I know the dimensions are different but like it has the look that we all know is the Apple watch look
00:22:22 ◼ ► So one of the rumors that's floating out there is this idea that Apple is gonna change it up
00:22:31 ◼ ► ruggedized version of the Apple watch right and I wonder if that's part of the mix here to what Apple's planning for the future of
00:22:37 ◼ ► The Apple watch is that it's a product line where the core of the watch electronically is the same
00:22:42 ◼ ► but they do it in in some things that are different than just saying we have a stainless steel model like a
00:23:03 ◼ ► Which would allow them to kind of like spread out a little bit and say some Apple watches look different from other ones
00:23:19 ◼ ► Whatever one and I do wonder if that might be the direction that they're going in the long run is trying to iterate
00:23:26 ◼ ► Outside of you know, like the screen and what the guts of the device are to make watches that look a lot different
00:23:41 ◼ ► It was nothing but fun to see that the actual Apple watch 7 was a complete surprise and you know
00:23:51 ◼ ► It's fun to be surprised when they announce stuff, you know, everybody likes that, you know
00:23:55 ◼ ► Start tossing out theories and one theory was that maybe the flat sided thing is the rugged Apple watch that Mark Gurman first reported
00:24:12 ◼ ► Yeah, it's gonna pass it's gonna be bulky and and totally different but there'll be an Apple watch embedded in it, right?
00:24:34 ◼ ► Chunky, you could go rock climbing with it. You can fall off your bike and it's going to be fine
00:24:44 ◼ ► But you kind of don't want to smash your Apple watch screen against a rock no matter which one you have right now
00:24:49 ◼ ► They call them Garmin on their website. They actually call them adventure watches, right?
00:24:58 ◼ ► This thing can take a beating so that flat one isn't it but the flap that the thing to me?
00:25:05 ◼ ► I think they with series 3 to series 4 when you look at them side by side and like I said
00:25:20 ◼ ► It's one of those classic changes where when they made it it was like I see they you know
00:25:25 ◼ ► It's sort of more curvy but then when you go backwards, you're like, ah, this thing looks like a box
00:25:46 ◼ ► Yeah, I tacked on I get it that there's an evolution there. I guess what I would say is that they're all still
00:25:51 ◼ ► recognizably Apple watch as we have come to know it and if you're making an argument at some point that Apple needs to make a
00:26:02 ◼ ► It would need to not look like an evolution of the Apple watch. It would need to look different
00:26:05 ◼ ► I think that the problem is that the Apple watch has been so successful now and is so iconic in a way
00:26:18 ◼ ► Not be like that's an Apple watch when you see it and that is a lot of product value and marketing value
00:26:30 ◼ ► But like they need a really really really good reason to make something that doesn't scan as Apple watch and I don't know if the rumor
00:26:42 ◼ ► Will it essentially still look like an Apple watch just subtly different was it oversold in terms of the rumor?
00:26:47 ◼ ► Or is it something that we're not even seeing that's a different style of Apple watch altogether
00:26:51 ◼ ► I don't know and this gets into something from the original Apple watch introduction where they really kind of played it up as part of the
00:26:58 ◼ ► Watch industry right and talked about it being the most accurate watch, you know ever made and it in the watch industry
00:27:08 ◼ ► Watches don't change right like a Rolex Submariner looks the one that Sean Connery is wearing in dr
00:27:18 ◼ ► Submariner that I think Cubby Broccoli like they do like he needs a watch and Cubby Broccoli was like oh here
00:27:26 ◼ ► That's something a spy would wear to most people's eyes other than like the scratches it might have accumulated over 60 years
00:27:46 ◼ ► It's sort of like you establish a classic and that's it right and then you establish other product lines around it
00:27:51 ◼ ► Which Apple hasn't really done and that's that's sort of what I'm getting at with the idea of do you do a ruggedized one?
00:27:56 ◼ ► And you do something with a different look you could diversify your watch line in that way
00:28:02 ◼ ► Style wise while still keeping the technology in it, you know in a series the same like yeah
00:28:10 ◼ ► They had Speedmaster watches there and like they look exactly like the watches that the Apollo astronauts. Yeah. Yeah
00:28:17 ◼ ► Yeah, they're not but they are they're because why would you give up like you've got you've got the astronaut watch
00:28:22 ◼ ► I'm gonna keep selling it right? You've got the watch Buzz Aldrin war on the moon. You're not gonna beat it
00:28:28 ◼ ► You're never gonna beat that for cool. That's like one of the coolest watches ever made
00:28:37 ◼ ► There's a new iPhone SE and it has flat sides and maybe the price Apple watch Apple watch se yeah Apple watch
00:28:51 ◼ ► There's gonna be a new Apple watch in September and there's this flat design thing floating around the supply chain
00:28:58 ◼ ► And prototype changes so people put two and two together and think well, that's the new Apple watch
00:29:10 ◼ ► It's intended to ship six months from now or maybe even a year from now and let the other se have two years as the SE
00:29:18 ◼ ► Something like that. That's my theory because it does to me. I think it looks plainer. I don't think that flat side design
00:29:24 ◼ ► I think it's a legit design and looks like something that you could actually see Apple making but that to me looks like a
00:29:41 ◼ ► Even more expensive or mez models, etc. Yeah, I think that the existence of the current Apple watch se
00:29:50 ◼ ► The problem is that the fact that the SE has come out twice now, you know two cycles of Apple watch announcements
00:29:56 ◼ ► And it hasn't moved down the price the price list does make me wonder if there's a problem with it
00:30:02 ◼ ► Like they can't make it right it is not fulfilling the need that the three is fulfilling
00:30:16 ◼ ► Fitness tracker so like let's simplify and we want to hit that price point that we want it to be cheap
00:30:29 ◼ ► Like let's let's engineer this to be our place down there at the bottom of the product line where we can compete with other fitness
00:30:36 ◼ ► trackers right well while still being committed to Apple watch up here higher up and you know
00:30:43 ◼ ► It's it really is just a fitness tracker, and it doesn't have any of the niceties of it
00:30:47 ◼ ► It's possible that that's the scenario here is that the SE it turns out you know they built a cheaper Apple watch
00:31:13 ◼ ► I want to say it's like an amalgamation of a couple of different Apple watch series right there. They kind of put together
00:31:25 ◼ ► Series number of its own in order to have something a little lower down on the price list they can't like that the that it's still
00:31:30 ◼ ► The series 3 they know that it has all those issues with its processor and with the screen size and like they they can't want
00:31:45 ◼ ► And they went back to the drawing board to make an even cheaper watch right and as much as our developer friends
00:31:50 ◼ ► Are sort of like sigh because now there's this other screen size with totally different. It's not just shrunk
00:32:04 ◼ ► screens that their Apple watch complications and their apps have to support well Apple has to support all that too because they're selling a
00:32:12 ◼ ► Brand-new watch and if they're gonna be selling this brand new you know to a customer brand new
00:32:30 ◼ ► Series 4 watch faces and this is one of those examples where I mean my argument is that Apple should update all those watch faces
00:32:36 ◼ ► For the bigger screens, but I think one of the reasons they don't is because they're they got to support them on the
00:32:42 ◼ ► Series 3 they're like they can't not have watch faces for series 3 so they keep it around and it's it's a face that will
00:32:53 ◼ ► Everybody's being held back by that device being there and again if they made a low-cost tracker
00:33:02 ◼ ► It's easier for them to say it only supports a certain number of faces, and it only supports the certain kinds of apps
00:33:08 ◼ ► It doesn't need to be a full-on Apple watch or maybe it can be I don't know, but it's an interesting idea
00:33:21 ◼ ► During the first handful of years of its existence, and I think it has been a successful product for them
00:33:33 ◼ ► How does this thing change over the long haul and can they do more than just sort of a new model every year?
00:33:40 ◼ ► We know what the big three fitness stats are because it's one of those things that they got right in addition to this sort of iconic
00:33:46 ◼ ► Industrial design where you can just tell like you said when you're watching a Colbert showing like oh Stephen Colbert's wearing an Apple watch
00:33:52 ◼ ► You know it the big three one of the things they got right are the Rings, right? You've got your calories
00:34:04 ◼ ► There's an awful lot of people who you like and you're like, oh, but if you spend another
00:34:15 ◼ ► and and maybe maybe there no apps other than the Apple apps on there and it's a slimmed down number of apps and there's no
00:34:20 ◼ ► Third-party apps and it really is more like a watch OS based fitness tracker than it is an Apple watch as we know it today
00:34:35 ◼ ► I'm coming around. I'm coming around. It's like they've got to the two markets. I see them
00:34:39 ◼ ► Looking at and thinking hmm. There's that rugged Garmin g-shock market and then there's the fitness tracker market, right?
00:34:47 ◼ ► And you see some of the people with the fitness trackers are really really small. They're almost more like bracelets than watches or really?
00:35:00 ◼ ► No lightning for you iPhone users. No lightning for you. You have to go to USB C. No, that's not true
00:35:09 ◼ ► I don't think there's ever gonna be a USB C Apple watch or now I'm saying Apple watch iPhone
00:35:14 ◼ ► I don't know. I could see it at some point regardless of what the EU does. I also think that Apple
00:35:30 ◼ ► advantages that including the fact that they charge faster and that they do faster data transfer and that at least the way
00:35:41 ◼ ► Having the port is sort of the only way to save something that is otherwise basically a brick
00:35:45 ◼ ► But you know, there are other options like Apple has experimented with the smart connector stuff on the iPad
00:35:54 ◼ ► Which is a data connection as well as a power connection. It's not fast, but it is a data connection
00:36:04 ◼ ► If you get the right cable and you can plug it into a computer and you can do a reset on it or something like that
00:36:26 ◼ ► Sure that it isn't going to cost it a fortune in support when people brick their devices
00:36:37 ◼ ► self-interest to make sure that the biggest problem with having a portless iPhone which is
00:36:45 ◼ ► Not a problem because that is gonna come down on Apple like Apple has to support all of those devices
00:36:49 ◼ ► You know plugging in your iPhone is a great way to get your iPhone back up and running if something dies
00:36:54 ◼ ► So I think it could happen. I'm not putting it past them. They put USB C on everything else
00:37:08 ◼ ► Decision draft decision to say all all these devices including all phones must have USB C ports
00:37:18 ◼ ► Here's why I think the iPhone is still on lightning and will continue to be post off my chest most of the time
00:37:28 ◼ ► Thousand to fifteen hundred words and it'll take me a day and I'll do it and then boom it spirals and it's
00:37:35 ◼ ► 4,000 words and it's taken me a week and I haven't showered and you know, where's where's John?
00:37:42 ◼ ► Oh, he's you know, don't dance. It's 4 p.m. And you haven't had lunch yet. Yep. I know it don't bother your father
00:37:55 ◼ ► I think it requires so much nuance and everybody just wants that the proponents of USB C
00:38:04 ◼ ► I've already got you I have to have USB C for my iPad and and or my MacBook and I'm all in on Apple stuff
00:38:11 ◼ ► Anyway, right. I've got a MacBook. I've got an iPad Pro. So I've got these USB C ports USB C has higher capacity
00:38:28 ◼ ► Do things now like shoot ProRes video which is like six gigabits per minute and or gigabytes per minute
00:38:40 ◼ ► And you got to get it off the phone and getting it off the phone with a lightning cable that maxes out at USB
00:38:53 ◼ ► That's one of the strongest arguments for USB C is just that if Apple has these pro phones that are just consuming so much data
00:38:59 ◼ ► That you might actually need to get a decent cable connection in there to get all that stuff off all sorts of good reasons to go
00:39:07 ◼ ► To USB C and like I wrote in my piece like when iPads moved to USB C. You can look at my reviews
00:39:12 ◼ ► I never complained about it. It was you know, and I'm in the middle. I have me personally
00:39:17 ◼ ► I've got all of these cables everywhere. I'm fine with it if they did it. It's okay, but
00:39:23 ◼ ► That argument that the proponents of that are single-minded in favor of the technical advantages of USB C and the convenience
00:39:34 ◼ ► based on all the stuff they already have and just having one plug they could take with them to a hotel when they travel and
00:39:40 ◼ ► They're not looking at it at all from Apple's perspective of having like seriously like a billion
00:40:05 ◼ ► These people do not want to replace their cables and I cannot emphasize to underline that enough times with a thick enough
00:40:15 ◼ ► Sharpie, I know the pandemic has made this harder, but there was a period in there where?
00:40:31 ◼ ► Yeah, because everybody invested in that ecosystem because the iPhone was so popular now look there is an argument to be made that
00:40:44 ◼ ► Investing in these things that don't do the right port for half for the iPhones but do for Android or vice versa
00:41:03 ◼ ► Where we all talked about it over the summer, but then regular people just get their software update and they immediately say
00:41:16 ◼ ► Everybody who has an iPhone who gets a new iPhone that doesn't have the right plug and every accessory that they've bought over the last
00:41:24 ◼ ► Five seven years is no longer functional without an adapter or a new plug or something like that
00:41:31 ◼ ► They're gonna be really angry about it and which is not to say that that's a blocker, right?
00:41:36 ◼ ► That that's not a reason not to do it Apple already did it once but it is a reason to be
00:41:47 ◼ ► It needs to stick because Apple is not gonna make a generation of iPhones that have a different port and then the next year a different
00:41:54 ◼ ► One right the last time they did this they were committing to lightning for a long time
00:42:14 ◼ ► 2012 somebody dug this up on Twitter. I forget who sent me the mention or something. It was the 2012
00:42:36 ◼ ► I mean, obviously the iPhone 4s was introduced days before he died so he wasn't there for that
00:42:49 ◼ ► Phil Schiller handled the the heavy lifting of the keynote and introduced the lightning port on the iPhone 5 and
00:43:03 ◼ ► And somebody posited well then they're definitely gonna keep it for 10 years because Phil Schiller is gonna want to be proven
00:43:08 ◼ ► Right that it was 10 years and I'm like Phil Schiller does not care if it was eight years or nine years or ten years
00:43:49 ◼ ► Well with a little flap that you could cover it up with because otherwise, you know, everything would get in there and destroy it
00:44:01 ◼ ► And I think that it was never a good time for the iPhone to switch to USB C. I think it is
00:44:05 ◼ ► extremely telling like Apple isn't the Apple that we knew when you and I were younger and and computers were
00:44:14 ◼ ► the the most casual person who bought a computer was still somewhat of a nerd compared to the general public right like
00:44:21 ◼ ► everybody didn't have computers and then eventually especially with the iPhone now they do and Apple serves a
00:44:30 ◼ ► Different market with people like that and I think it is extremely telling that last month
00:45:12 ◼ ► I don't I don't think I agree with that just because that old iPad has lightning because the old
00:45:18 ◼ ► iPad design has lightning and it's cheap because they haven't changed the design right and they they
00:45:22 ◼ ► Updated the mini to use the iPad Air design which last year got the USBC so state-of-the-art is USBC
00:45:39 ◼ ► So I don't think that necessarily says anything about their philosophy about connectors
00:45:44 ◼ ► I think that the USBC on the Mac and on the iPad obviously they've completely embraced it
00:45:53 ◼ ► I suspect that if Apple could have seen the future they wouldn't have introduced lightning
00:45:58 ◼ ► because lightning and USBC are pretty similar and USBC solves most of the problems that lightning solved and but but the
00:46:10 ◼ ► But now it's everywhere on iPhones and on their trackpads and their mice and their air pod chart
00:46:24 ◼ ► Leaving data aside charging plug that they've invested so much in and it takes I'm not it's not I'm not putting them past them
00:46:37 ◼ ► What gives me pause on the iPhone is just that they seem to also have this other grand master strategy
00:46:43 ◼ ► Which is getting rid of all the ports and does that on that particular product because right the I?
00:46:51 ◼ ► But the iPhone has just steadfastly not and there's got to be a reason right there's got to be a reason
00:46:58 ◼ ► That they don't want to do that otherwise they could have put it on the pro models a couple of years ago
00:47:05 ◼ ► We're doing USBC up there and instead they just they it feels like they either don't want to or they're not ready
00:47:12 ◼ ► But I think don't want to is probably the answer that when they remove the headphone jack and you mentioned about like water ingress and things
00:47:22 ◼ ► But I think it is telling that Apple's one portless device the Apple watch is the one where they actually say yes
00:47:33 ◼ ► Do true waterproofing if they could get rid of that port and they built magsafe so that they've got a new charging
00:47:40 ◼ ► Infrastructure like all the pieces are there to say they don't want another port on the iPhone
00:47:51 ◼ ► Think if you showed the typical user and the problem with the I I think that there's a very big difference
00:48:06 ◼ ► Lowercase p pro they tend to the reason they're spending more for these higher price more capable faster
00:48:13 ◼ ► Devices is that they are more, you know, they actually need them for their work or they're more
00:48:25 ◼ ► They want a nicer product and they're willing to pay for it and they're willing to put up with things like new ports and getting
00:48:32 ◼ ► The problem with the iPhone is even with the pro and I think it's great that they really are
00:48:39 ◼ ► iPhones pro from the non pros with actual not just decoration like shiny steel instead of matte aluminum
00:48:53 ◼ ► And I really think that that justifies like the $200 price difference from an iPhone 13 to an iPhone 13 Pro
00:49:04 ◼ ► Yeah that it's $200 worth of camera alone in there and if you combine it with the Pro motion display
00:49:11 ◼ ► You really feel like you're getting 200 bucks worth of actual technical don't even even if they looked identical and they both use the exact same
00:49:19 ◼ ► Stainless steel or aluminum finish you feel like there's 200 bucks worth of stuff in there
00:49:28 ◼ ► people who are not pro at all who just buy the pro models because they either want the camera or they just want the nicest iPhone or
00:49:35 ◼ ► Yeah, you know they like the color better for sure right people just go in and go I like that color better
00:50:01 ◼ ► It would be nine years of lightning if they switch to USB C is USB C going to be around for the next nine years
00:50:11 ◼ ► I really don't so this is where I think the eat that we're segueing into the EC thing. Yeah
00:50:24 ◼ ► As a connection standard right it is a port and it's way better than USB A because there's only you can plug it in either
00:50:30 ◼ ► Way and it doesn't matter and we already have seen that there's all sorts of kinds of things that use that port including
00:50:40 ◼ ► Thunderbolt that runs on that USB C port and my counter-argument would be the USB a port because the USB a port
00:50:57 ◼ ► Okay, so that USB a has had like a 24 year run of that connector now what has run over it has changed
00:51:06 ◼ ► And it reached its limit at some point, but that connector was able to do USB 3 kind of speeds
00:51:15 ◼ ► It's also true that and I did this you can take a hockey puck mouse from the original iMac and plug it in to my iMac
00:51:25 ◼ ► It works or you can use a little adapter and plug it into one of the new iMacs that only has USB C and it
00:51:30 ◼ ► Totally works, so I guess what I'm saying is I kind of believe that as ports go the USB C plug that shape
00:51:50 ◼ ► Thunderbolt like there's a whole bunch of stuff that can live inside that plug and the plug it might
00:51:55 ◼ ► Survive for a long time because the USB a plug which was a terrible plug survived for an awful long time
00:52:14 ◼ ► But I do think that there is at least a lot of innovation that can probably happen inside that plug
00:52:23 ◼ ► Compatibilities and everybody will get frustrated because they'll be like what do you mean I can only plug this into this kind of port
00:52:30 ◼ ► Why you know you take a thunderbolt thing and plug it into an iPad air and it won't work because it only does USB C
00:52:48 ◼ ► just because you don't have to plug it in twice to plug it in right and it may survive on that even as the
00:52:54 ◼ ► Underlying technology using that plug keeps changing. I think you're right that will see USB C
00:53:05 ◼ ► Maybe the rest of our lives and it might be on the I might be it might be the output of
00:53:13 ◼ ► Yeah, I just do not believe that nine years from now. It'll be the best Apple can do for the thing that you
00:53:24 ◼ ► Maybe the plan is to it'll all be wireless and they've got a new wireless thing in mind that will transfer things like
00:53:37 ◼ ► Thunderbolt or something like that wireless or maybe it's some other but I Apple likes to make
00:53:51 ◼ ► This is really nice and and a great new example is the way you plug the new iMacs the 24 inch
00:54:12 ◼ ► I always think of that scene in the graduate where the guy comes up the Dustin Hoffman and he goes I got once I got
00:54:45 ◼ ► You know and and the the what do you call the thing on the back of the iPad pros the data connector the smart connector?
00:55:02 ◼ ► 24 inch iMac, I mean they have that they basically in the wired in the wire that's going there is also Ethernet and
00:55:09 ◼ ► So and then the Ethernet's on the brick, so they're already sort of like headed in that direction. So the idea is
00:55:22 ◼ ► But it's a magnet right and you could then do data and power over it. Yeah, and I wonder looking at the
00:55:33 ◼ ► Regulations and they carve out a big exception for wireless which still drives me nuts that we call these things wireless when they have to
00:56:07 ◼ ► Well, nobody would call that wireless networking, but we call it wireless charging. But anyway inductive charging
00:56:22 ◼ ► Which is inductive is exempt and wouldn't need to include USB C and and it's not like they have the Apple Watch in mind
00:56:32 ◼ ► Would fall under that and it's not like the EC is proposing that Apple has to add a USB C port to Apple Watch
00:56:49 ◼ ► Would something like what we're saying like a smart connector with a magnetic connection like, you know, maybe two
00:57:01 ◼ ► But then the cable would connect magnetically would that count as a port or would it count as wireless? I
00:57:12 ◼ ► even on the mag safe that we've currently got if there was if there was data in there would the
00:57:26 ◼ ► I would say also what they don't want to have happen and I think it's an admirable goal is they don't want everybody to go
00:57:33 ◼ ► To charging paddles and have 80 different charging paddles each one for an individual phone model, right?
00:57:42 ◼ ► The thing is though that the Qi charging is a standard and what Apple is doing and this is unlike lightning
00:57:54 ◼ ► Charger will do but then mag safe does a little bit more and that might be their model going forward is yeah
00:58:18 ◼ ► you support the standard and we're not gonna stop you from doing more than the standard as long as you support the standard or
00:58:25 ◼ ► You mean if you want to transfer data, you have to buy a proprietary cable that only Apple sells
00:58:35 ◼ ► Regulation like this is that like I appreciate the idea that we don't want a wasteland where every phone has its own proprietary charger
00:58:52 ◼ ► They're regularly one they're regulating the thing that that the market has already solved and sure it didn't resolve down to one
00:59:07 ◼ ► It's resolved down to one right like there is no doubt like that the new Kindles just got announced like a week ago
00:59:13 ◼ ► Kindle paperwhites and they've got USB on them USB C. Thank God for years. It's been the awful micro USB and
00:59:24 ◼ ► It is gonna happen that every device really on the charging side all these little devices
00:59:30 ◼ ► Almost everything's gonna have USB C anyway, and it's good and all the chargers that they're gonna sell are gonna be USB C
00:59:36 ◼ ► Even if it's lightning on the other end like the world has already kind of adopted this so it's unclear to me why
00:59:51 ◼ ► Sometimes markets don't work markets do need to be regulated there need to be rules, but the power of
01:00:07 ◼ ► We have a single plug that pretty much everybody's gonna use and that that part is great
01:00:26 ◼ ► Said that if Apple wants to still include lightning they can just put two ports on their iPhone
01:00:50 ◼ ► Which is actually innovation because I'm saying like but like that this to me is what Apple does like
01:01:17 ◼ ► Adapter that Apple replaced it with and it's like what if Apple has something in mind that does to lightning what lightning did to the?
01:01:38 ◼ ► USB C because they seem happy with it and they could do right they could do Thunderbolt in there and like I think the connector
01:01:45 ◼ ► I think it's exactly what we've been talking about here, which is Apple seems to be looking at the port and saying
01:01:51 ◼ ► But what if we did this through something that was external that I wouldn't have to worry about
01:01:57 ◼ ► Ingress into there or the port hardware failing because there are no moving parts, and it's aligned magnetically
01:02:04 ◼ ► And if you combine that one physical combination or connection type with the wireless stuff that we've got
01:02:16 ◼ ► And it's like plugging the iMac thing into the back of the new iMac is fun. It's so satisfying
01:02:26 ◼ ► I can't you know you get a new computer, and you're excited, and you know and you also you know you get these review units
01:02:33 ◼ ► You know you have a deadline so you kind of want to get it going and you know so you and it's like
01:02:36 ◼ ► Instead of wanting to turn it on I'm like I'm just gonna sit here and play with the plug and it's like chung chung chung
01:02:43 ◼ ► Chunk chunk, but like you mentioned that thing and I think it's really interesting is magnetically connected
01:02:52 ◼ ► High speed data because that's how the Ethernet comes in it does it do gigabit Ethernet, or yeah
01:03:02 ◼ ► magnetic connection yeah, I think they're literally you know I think they're literally putting the
01:03:15 ◼ ► They just hardwired it in but I think this opens up you get a little bit of maybe this angle of Apple's vision for the future
01:03:28 ◼ ► And it is one way to make your computer thinner and cleaner and lighter and all of those things that Apple likes is to say
01:03:37 ◼ ► Behind your desk, and I start to wonder about like a future a bigger iMac or maybe they'll call it iMac Pro
01:03:47 ◼ ► Could there be optionally like more stuff on that brick because I got a bunch of crap under my desk
01:04:01 ◼ ► We don't want those ports on the back of the computer either we put them on the brick and on a laptop
01:04:05 ◼ ► What would it be like it'd be a little different because you don't want to like yank out your hard drive or something when the somebody
01:04:15 ◼ ► That it would certainly be a lot cleaner if you could do your magsafe thing and then everything kind of did the right thing and now
01:04:22 ◼ ► Did the drives and did all of that stuff? I don't know how much of this they I'm sure they've talked about it
01:04:28 ◼ ► But how much of this will actually come to fruition, but I do think there's some truth in that of like Apple
01:04:47 ◼ ► little beautiful object that Apple has made and sold to you right and they're absolutely not going to do it and
01:04:57 ◼ ► Consortium before they unveiled the products and saying here's the idea. We've got fellas
01:05:08 ◼ ► There's your power just plug this plug this thing in and it's USBC like I just can't envision it
01:05:16 ◼ ► But the rumors are that they're also trying to not do that in the future that they that they really do think
01:05:25 ◼ ► Magsafe for laptops is superior, which I would agree. I bought one of those things just like, Syracuse
01:05:30 ◼ ► It's actually the same one that he bought I have one of those little things that pushes into the USBC
01:05:38 ◼ ► And so I'm all I'm back to mag safe even despite Apple right it's superior. It's a better thing for laptops
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01:07:09 ◼ ► Used my last show with panzerino to talk about the iPhone 13s in detail, but I was intrigued
01:07:14 ◼ ► I listened to the latest version of upgrade with you and and the melodious voiced Mike Hurley
01:07:46 ◼ ► But Mike was aghast when I said this too because he's all in on a pro max and he loves promotion all that and the promotions
01:08:18 ◼ ► Realized that the mini really is the right one for me and I'm gonna live it up this year because all rumors suggest that it's not
01:08:25 ◼ ► Coming back next year. So I'll I'm gonna I'm gonna enjoy it while I can I think it's entirely possible is an aging eyes
01:08:56 ◼ ► You can still read the text as it's moving if you read content while you scroll your iPhone
01:09:02 ◼ ► You need promotion right because it is vastly superior. I generally don't do that. Maybe that's that I've trained myself
01:09:20 ◼ ► spectacularly good and you said that I was like that's a good test and I was actually out and I stopped on the sidewalk and
01:09:34 ◼ ► Mini is just the nearest thing and I was like scrolling it and which does not have promotion
01:10:00 ◼ ► You can read while you scroll but the hey your battery light lasts even longer because if you're watching a 30 frames per second
01:10:33 ◼ ► That's bananas and and remember last year and the year before were pretty good in terms of battery life improvements
01:10:42 ◼ ► Sort of like three or four year like if you're coming from a four or five year old phone the battery life will
01:10:52 ◼ ► The battery life improvements will stun you and that was part of it too is like the the mini last year didn't get great battery
01:10:58 ◼ ► Life, but it kind of didn't matter because I didn't go anywhere because it was a pandemic
01:11:02 ◼ ► But that makes that phone a lot better like having a longer battery life on the mini makes it a lot better and that's why I
01:11:11 ◼ ► battery life savings being able to crank down the frame rate on those pro models, but like obviously the a15 and
01:11:22 ◼ ► I think it's probably three four five different little reasons that added together netted them the huge battery life
01:11:28 ◼ ► But that's great because like I feel like camera and battery are the two features that yeah matter the most in a phone
01:11:33 ◼ ► I I care it's not that I don't care about promotion, but for me, it's so little of a deal
01:11:55 ◼ ► Then I would have bought the regular 13 because I prefer the less the the lighter weight and I prefer the actual I actually prefer
01:12:15 ◼ ► I wonder what they're gonna do next year because I feel like for this generation the 12 and the 13
01:12:23 ◼ ► But I feel like that the the cheaper phones are better or like look better and feel better
01:12:27 ◼ ► I do think that they the bright colored backs and I the surgical stainless steel band and all that
01:12:34 ◼ ► I think it's kind of gaudy and and it picks up fingerprints and like I really like that aluminum band
01:12:54 ◼ ► But they don't and and like it wasn't enough for me to make the switch since I was also getting the size difference
01:12:59 ◼ ► To your point among. I don't know if they sent everybody the same four phones. I got the
01:13:16 ◼ ► Mine was pink which is a joke because like because it looks white to me because I'm colorblind
01:13:20 ◼ ► Right and I had this moment where I had to show it to my wife and say this pink and she says oh, yeah
01:13:37 ◼ ► and then the I think they gave everybody the Pro Max in Sierra blue in Sierra blue because Sierra blues their big new thing but
01:13:53 ◼ ► Just has an eye for what's what's pretty, you know, and she's a very heavy iPhone and especially iPad user
01:14:02 ◼ ► But but her her thoughts when she sees these new phones are what what looks great to her and
01:14:21 ◼ ► Because it looks so cool and I was like, no, that's now that's not the pro. That's the regular one
01:14:27 ◼ ► They're like what that's that's the coolest looking phone of the bunch that that blue is awesome. So I I
01:14:41 ◼ ► Has a slight blue undertone to it and it's slightly different than last year's. I don't know folks. I got I got a black
01:14:51 ◼ ► Identical to me and blue is not one of those colors that I can't see and they look identical but the one I bought
01:15:20 ◼ ► Because of my rule of just buying the black one. It was like it was like a buffer overflow
01:15:31 ◼ ► I regret it and wish I'd bought the flat black. I was too I got I got too caught up in the the
01:16:11 ◼ ► Yeah, Apple doesn't apparently think pro products should be colored but then they did were very dark
01:16:27 ◼ ► I bought the black iPhone 12 if I were gonna get the 12 again this year or the there are the 13 or the 13 mini
01:16:33 ◼ ► this might be the year where I would have broken the streak and bought blue instead of midnight because that blue is
01:16:47 ◼ ► Whoever came up with that blue the glass looks cool. The anodized aluminum is this it's not like
01:16:55 ◼ ► Oh, it's gray with a tint of blue. It's you know, you look at if you tilt it, right and you're in the sunlight
01:17:02 ◼ ► Oh, it's nighttime and you're looking in in Kent. Oh, no, you won't see it. It looks over to you
01:17:23 ◼ ► Yeah, and it was or might know is Microsoft promoting the whole lineup the whole ecosystem or no, it was Intel. It was Intel Oh
01:17:34 ◼ ► You can get all these different colors and with with the Mac you can get gray or slightly darker gray
01:17:40 ◼ ► And you know what? That's an honest zinger. That's yeah, those were sort of cringy commercials, but that's actually kind of true
01:18:07 ◼ ► Why not and you always let somebody have silver or gray as an option because not everybody wants color
01:18:13 ◼ ► but to like let people have color in their lives and and the last year's iPhones at least the the
01:18:26 ◼ ► I know that people have been talking about the Sierra blue, but I feel like our standards for color on a pro
01:18:44 ◼ ► It's not like and then you look at the the 12 the 13 blue and you're like, oh that's blue
01:18:50 ◼ ► It's not this kind of like it's like how starlight it's like it's silver but very faintly yellow. It's like yeah, it's silver
01:19:01 ◼ ► Most of them or a lot of them are Sun, you know have sunlight if they're you know, connected to the outside
01:19:07 ◼ ► You know the ones aren't in a mall, but they all have beautiful light inside and it'll look blue in the Apple store
01:19:24 ◼ ► And then this is my larger point is again. I don't I think if you want a silver phone or a gray phone or whatever
01:19:30 ◼ ► Like you should be able to get by it. I I'm not saying everybody must wear bright colors
01:19:35 ◼ ► I'm just sort of saying that I'm a little baffled by apples kind of zigging and zagging about the idea that
01:19:40 ◼ ► Some products have bright colors and some products don't that the product names don't always match up
01:19:49 ◼ ► They may actually try to be trying to define colors that will be the same across product lines down the road
01:19:57 ◼ ► So none of them dark enough though, except for like and then there's space black on the one watch that is like
01:20:17 ◼ ► Macs and pro iPhones and pro iPads they seem to think that what pro means is you can't have
01:20:51 ◼ ► With their and consistent with their colors and also I hope next year that the iPhone Pro models
01:20:57 ◼ ► Look really nice because they they honestly have paled in comparison to the the base models the last two years
01:21:04 ◼ ► I've I'm running the show notes and here from my iPad mini review unit, which they sent me in purple
01:21:21 ◼ ► For two weeks now, I'm using it right now and I cannot tell you how many times over those two weeks
01:21:28 ◼ ► I've I if there's one regret I have from my iPad review is that I didn't do a whole section about how
01:21:34 ◼ ► Boring the purple is I keep forgetting its purple. I feel like it should be Minnesota Vikings purple, right?
01:21:41 ◼ ► I shouldn't feel again. It's more like a gray or silver with a very very faint purple cast it if it was like the blue
01:21:54 ◼ ► It would be like something that you could hold up to the Minnesota Vikings helmet and it would be like yeah
01:22:01 ◼ ► I wouldn't probably wouldn't be what I would buy but I think a lot of people would like to do that and I think my
01:22:10 ◼ ► You actually want it to be purple. Otherwise, you wouldn't have button pretty you would have bought I silver
01:22:18 ◼ ► I forgot that this is purple and it's in my hand all the time all the time and I'm like, oh, yeah
01:22:24 ◼ ► It's purple. It catches the light all of a sudden. I'm like, oh, yeah purple. I thought it remember earlier this year
01:22:29 ◼ ► They made a big deal. They did a whole ad campaign about how they added a purple iPhone 12. Yes
01:22:38 ◼ ► And I'll just point out as another footnote here. Is there a purple iPhone 13? No, it's gone
01:22:54 ◼ ► They got to get the colors are in there colors are appoint someone. I don't care somebody really good
01:23:03 ◼ ► I please get it to be consistent. We haven't nobody has seen them in person yet outside Apple
01:23:12 ◼ ► Apple watch series 7 because the green Apple watch series 7 looks like a seriously deep rich green green
01:23:36 ◼ ► I I don't know if if this is like a coven thing like they've just you know, they're scrambling and they're not they're not
01:23:48 ◼ ► The truth is they have gotten their act together with color, but we just haven't they haven't gotten it in sync yet
01:23:53 ◼ ► All right, I and that's what I hope I hope that you look at that 24 inch iMac and you're like, aha
01:23:58 ◼ ► They got it. But then I look at these these products this fall and I'm like, nope, they don't got it
01:24:06 ◼ ► I'm sure that there's somebody some people out there who bought the iPhone 13 and purple last year and love it and they're like
01:24:17 ◼ ► I would like to buy a purple iPad and I'll feel the same way about it. So you are gonna be very disappointed. Yeah
01:24:24 ◼ ► Because it's going to look gray no in compare and I don't know why the color is restrained on an iPad mini that again
01:24:36 ◼ ► It should be colored the color of the back of the iMacs. Why is it not colored like the iMacs like give me that
01:25:01 ◼ ► It's like getting you know, it's like when you get the little Snickers they cut they literally call the little ones
01:25:11 ◼ ► It's like you could just buy what if you don't even really need another iPad or another device in your life
01:25:16 ◼ ► But you're like, yeah, what the hell I'm gonna spend 500 bucks get an iPad mini, you know
01:25:19 ◼ ► It's it's it's a treat. It's a thing you play video games with it's it's a nice little portable
01:25:32 ◼ ► Just don't understand for a company like Apple that seems to have at various points in its life and in its marketing embrace fun
01:25:40 ◼ ► The restraint that sometimes comes out in there in their color choices for their products
01:25:46 ◼ ► I just don't get it like I get that you want restrained choices because some people don't want big and bold
01:26:02 ◼ ► I'm gonna keep pointing at that iMac when they're MacBook Airs the next time I want them in all those colors
01:26:09 ◼ ► But my fear is that what we're gonna get is starlight right where it's like it's really just silver or midnight
01:26:20 ◼ ► But if you're gonna make a purple product, it should pop it should not just lay there like a purpley gray
01:26:26 ◼ ► But then something like the blue iPhone 13 squeaks through and you're like I know that that looks like the most amazing
01:26:37 ◼ ► But like those are the two eye popping colors in the iPhone 13 and the rest of them are are boring
01:27:30 ◼ ► Last year's version of iPad OS you had a whole strip to put widgets you could you there's that much room is still there
01:27:58 ◼ ► it the scaling done to make it fit on the iPad mini just seems like an afterthought like well,
01:28:22 ◼ ► and I had my dock from the 11 inch iPad on the mini and the icons were like the size of a
01:28:31 ◼ ► You can put a lot of a lot of icons in that dock and then you rotate it vertically and they're all the size of your
01:28:36 ◼ ► Your like fingernail. Yeah, it's you have to use your pinky. You can't use your index finger
01:28:48 ◼ ► But it does show you all the places where iPad OS is sort of like not been given attention
01:28:59 ◼ ► Like we were expecting when widgets didn't come like freeform widgets like on the iPhone to the iPad last year
01:29:05 ◼ ► That that was because Apple had something, you know bigger in mind and because since day one
01:29:22 ◼ ► and surely at some point Apple will rethink the home screen of the iPad and they never have and
01:29:27 ◼ ► Sure enough iOS 15 comes out and it's literally not rethought at all other than they loosened the grid even more
01:29:35 ◼ ► So that one app icon which is much smaller than a small widget still takes the exact same amount of space as a small widget
01:29:49 ◼ ► so if you try to place a widget you have to chase the app icons around the screen in order to get them to flow because
01:29:54 ◼ ► Now you've got these big wide widgets that are pushing all the icons around and you can this is something that I mentioned on upgrade
01:30:04 ◼ ► You can order your widgets in a different location horizontally and vertically all your app icons still flow around them
01:30:28 ◼ ► they need to think of a new approach that really properly uses all their different screen sizes and and
01:30:37 ◼ ► It's a lot of fun as a product but there are those moments where you realize oh, they didn't paint like behind this
01:30:46 ◼ ► There's like the unpainted part of the wall that now has been revealed because this product is
01:30:51 ◼ ► Shaped a little bit differently and suddenly you realize oh that that's an oversight and instead that the response was like
01:30:57 ◼ ► Let's just put really big padding on the sides of the home screen and to just to compare and contrast. Let's say
01:31:31 ◼ ► You know, they've really sort of crammed it onto this thing or vice versa when you're using a 27-inch iMac
01:32:04 ◼ ► And it should it should feel that way. It should feel just iPad iPad OS 15 should feel just as ah
01:32:21 ◼ ► 12.9 inch but I like to call it 13-inch iPad Pro as on the mini and that's just not true
01:32:34 ◼ ► Yeah, I have a theory since we're talking about our our wild theories. I have a theory that Apple is
01:32:46 ◼ ► They've been putting pieces in place a lot of more a lot more pieces in place in iOS 15 with the new kind of windowing
01:32:52 ◼ ► Controls and they've got a floating window thing now, and they've got quick note, which
01:32:57 ◼ ► They get very excited to talk about quick note on the iPad and then you use it on the Mac and you realize oh
01:33:11 ◼ ► But on the iPad a window from one app floating on top of other apps is mind-blowing right and you can move it to it
01:33:25 ◼ ► But it also exposes just how limited the iPads interface is so I have this feeling like with all the stuff
01:33:31 ◼ ► They're doing their shelf the multi window all this stuff that they're trying to get somewhere
01:33:44 ◼ ► my theory is that that is connected to the fact that Apple at some point here is going to probably do an
01:33:55 ◼ ► They've got Thunderbolt on the M1 iPad pros and that at some point what they're going to do is announce a display
01:34:07 ◼ ► Sort of more of a windowed kind of experience because on a big screen you can't just have a full screen app from an iPad
01:34:14 ◼ ► It doesn't make any sense. And right now all you can do is sort of mirror an iPad display on an external monitor
01:34:22 ◼ ► One thing about like looking at the mini that I might be able to throw in there is maybe one of the reasons that some
01:34:31 ◼ ► Because they want to get to a place where the iPad interface scales better like the Mac
01:34:47 ◼ ► That's and I realized that there's certainly some wish casting in that theory on my part because I would love to see it
01:35:11 ◼ ► floating in front of you like all the pieces are starting to form so I feel like that that's where they're going and
01:35:22 ◼ ► Yeah announcement and if they ever did an external monitor that was more reasonably priced than the pro display XDR
01:35:28 ◼ ► That would be where I would say they'll drop it because they'll be like boom look what you can do now with an iPad and
01:35:33 ◼ ► Everybody will be amazed sort of like what they did with the the magic keyboard last year. Yeah my frustration
01:35:42 ◼ ► They don't call it a menu bar because there is no bar, but you know, there is no a menu floating menu and system word thing
01:35:51 ◼ ► The thing that kills me about it is if you don't have a keyboard connected you can't get it
01:36:03 ◼ ► When you have a mouse connected, but if you if you're using a trackpad instead of a mouse it goes away
01:36:12 ◼ ► It's like I think that's not the best analogy because a trackpad and a mouse are sort of two ways to do the same thing
01:36:20 ◼ ► And I should have but so Stephen Trenton Smith had in one of his apps. He's got like a button
01:36:30 ◼ ► But it's like that could be Apple could make that a convention where there's something you tap that brings up
01:36:50 ◼ ► Like they've put this quick notes in the lower right corner if maybe something in the lower left corner
01:37:04 ◼ ► Very very thoughtful and you can only get it when you have a keyboard attached to a quote-unquote touch first device
01:37:21 ◼ ► I mean it feels like a big chunk of my job and your job is looking at what Apple does and then having these sort of two
01:37:28 ◼ ► potential paths and the one is that I hope that they're planning something and then and then and they often are and
01:37:34 ◼ ► Sometimes they aren't and you're like, oh, I guess I was just trying to do some pattern matching there
01:37:40 ◼ ► And I got all swept up in this grand plan that they don't actually have but I think that there's something going on with the iPad
01:38:00 ◼ ► Inefficiently you it certainly is inefficiently using the space right and which is crazy on on the iPad
01:38:10 ◼ ► I know I know it's kind of crazy that the iPad that has the least space because it is the mini
01:38:24 ◼ ► I feel like it's always like the moment that Apple opens the door that makes you realize that they are gonna go
01:38:31 ◼ ► Doorway at some point so like I used to get people arguing about about file system access saying no out
01:38:39 ◼ ► It's an iPad and I would point them at that iCloud Drive app that they released and I said well at this point
01:38:57 ◼ ► There is a message that floats above your mail app and you can take it and put it somewhere else and now that they've got
01:39:02 ◼ ► Quick note, they're basically admitting that having floating windows that you can move around on the screen is a thing that you can do on
01:39:11 ◼ ► Possible for me to imagine that that isn't going somewhere because why would you break that metaphor but only one time?
01:39:18 ◼ ► It doesn't it doesn't really follow so they will do something with it sometime probably but what it is, I don't know
01:39:28 ◼ ► They're really great, but because they came out of the keyboard shortcut overlay. They have not been
01:39:34 ◼ ► Just integrated into the rest of the interface standards and it's it's a it's a mistake
01:39:44 ◼ ► Or not better than the Mac because the Mac's menus have to be that way because it's a mouse pointer driven system
01:40:03 ◼ ► Whereas with the iPad system you see them all at once and you can just sort of horizontally scroll
01:40:19 ◼ ► Where do you go to turn that thing off? You can see them both at once and then and just tap at it
01:40:24 ◼ ► You don't have to drag them anything down to get to it. You just stab your finger at it
01:40:28 ◼ ► It actually could be more convenient to use than the Mac menuing system. It's it's the potential is huge
01:40:36 ◼ ► It's a really nice design that you don't get if you don't have a keyboard. Anyway, I'm gonna take a break here
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01:42:13 ◼ ► Alright last but not least it's sad. It's this one. This is the sad thing Oh Safari tabs
01:42:31 ◼ ► For not not for Monterey and I forgot that they do that, you know that they've done that in past years
01:42:42 ◼ ► controversial or shocking in the Mac version of Safari and so if the new version of Safari ships in September and
01:42:51 ◼ ► Annual Mac OS update isn't coming until late October or even early November. So what it's Safari and you know
01:43:03 ◼ ► but if you have automatic updates on or you even if you don't have automatic if you just saw Oh Safari 15 is out update and
01:43:29 ◼ ► WWDC and then they heard the feedback which apparently got enough internal momentum at Apple to make changes
01:43:38 ◼ ► Especially on the iPhone, but there came a moment this summer. I don't know if you noticed this
01:43:44 ◼ ► I've had a dedicated Mac for for the betas and I have but I have but I was less on the Mac than the it
01:43:51 ◼ ► Then the iPad and iPhone so what happened is there was this moment where everything changed a little bit and they said no no
01:43:58 ◼ ► No, no, no, it's not all it's it's it's gonna change more and then they did another release on the iPhone
01:44:06 ◼ ► I felt at that moment. It's like okay the iPhone needed the most work. They're doing work on the iPhone. That's good
01:44:19 ◼ ► Like and this may not be true. I'm not trying to be unfair to them, but I'm just saying as an outside observer
01:44:26 ◼ ► It feels to me like they shipped something that was unfinished and it's even worse than that
01:45:02 ◼ ► It's harder to see which one of them is active the colored background which you can turn off
01:45:06 ◼ ► But that makes it even harder because the contrast of the text and the color is changing from tab to tab
01:45:12 ◼ ► Which makes it even harder to look at a screen and say which is my active tab right now
01:45:27 ◼ ► You could literally see this tab goes down to the content. Well, they they moved they remove that now
01:45:54 ◼ ► But I did have a moment where I gave some feedback to somebody at Apple about Safari 15 and one of the things I said was
01:46:02 ◼ ► This which is it doesn't make any sense for toolbar favorites to be below the tabs because the whole tab metaphor
01:46:09 ◼ ► It's the stuff that's below the tabs is the stuff that changes and the stuff that's above doesn't change and they said yes
01:46:13 ◼ ► Yes. Yes, of course. Absolutely. It never changed. They never fixed it. It's not like that on the Mac
01:46:27 ◼ ► I updated six colors so it it matches the color in the menu bar when you go there. It's cute
01:46:42 ◼ ► Which is this really nice feature that acknowledges how important tabs are to people and yet at the same time
01:46:59 ◼ ► Would at the same moment that they launched their feature that makes tabs better make tabs unreadable
01:47:05 ◼ ► But that's what I mean at least at least it doesn't ship with the compact view which made them even more unreadable
01:47:36 ◼ ► horizontally you can you you can get it to look like tabs and I think that that's still an option in iOS 15 but
01:47:49 ◼ ► I'm okay with that because people get it tabs is what people kind of get that tabs in browser
01:48:19 ◼ ► It means both and they're sort of a one-to-one relationship in the way that and everybody
01:48:24 ◼ ► I think just even even if you are a normal person who doesn't think deeply about user interfaces of the things you're using
01:48:40 ◼ ► Like the Mac or Windows or you know any other system where you have what we consider a traditional
01:48:52 ◼ ► It is really important and it the thing with the the fifth favorites bar going under the tabs
01:48:59 ◼ ► It could go under in the I actually dug up the old article. I wrote remember when Safari
01:49:11 ◼ ► I think that's what I wrote and I went back and read my article had a really good article
01:49:17 ◼ ► But I was like younger John Gruber who wrote this article really did a good job and made in a you know, broke broke
01:49:23 ◼ ► Not not tradition. I don't have a rule against including images, but I'd you know people who listen to the show
01:49:28 ◼ ► No, I don't put a lot of images in my articles usually but I for my by my standards copiously illustrated that with
01:49:46 ◼ ► Suggesting better ways to do it and the problem with the Safari tabs from I forget what year it was
01:50:10 ◼ ► people mocked up were just move them down a little bit and leave a little bit of a strip up there of
01:50:15 ◼ ► Just window area so you can grab the window move the window and then the tabs are underneath but
01:50:25 ◼ ► Hierarchy where the hierarchy is there's a selected tab and then underneath the tab is all of the browser chrome like the address bar
01:50:47 ◼ ► You can't put anything under the tabs. But the problem is the tabs have to be at the top or they have to be at the
01:50:59 ◼ ► Yes, something and it can be in closing the entire browser window or they can be in closing the content space
01:51:11 ◼ ► Maddening and and like if you open two tabs in Safari 15 on the Mac just two tabs in a window
01:51:17 ◼ ► And it it's I think it's worse in dark mode, but it is bad in both dark mode and light mode
01:51:24 ◼ ► To and especially if you and depends on if you've got the color option turned on it literally depends on which site is currently the
01:51:34 ◼ ► But if you let's say and and I to me this is a common scenario to open two tabs for the same website
01:51:41 ◼ ► Right, like maybe you're at the New York Times and you're reading two different articles today at the New York Times
01:52:01 ◼ ► Because is it the one that has more contrast and it's lighter or is it the one that has less contrast and it's darker
01:52:15 ◼ ► I hear from them on Twitter as I gripe about Safari and they're calling me old and they're like, you know
01:52:23 ◼ ► You might like it. There are people clearly some people at Apple clearly like it, right?
01:52:37 ◼ ► Visual metaphor that nobody ever had to think about nobody ever had to think which tab is active whether you have one tab or two
01:52:50 ◼ ► Anybody could tell which one is the active tab because there's no difference in contrast because it's connected to the chrome now
01:52:58 ◼ ► It's it's this total guessing game where you you have to think about a thing that you never had to think about and Don Norman
01:53:16 ◼ ► You know and like Don Norman has talked a lot about like doors and like any door you ever got approached
01:53:21 ◼ ► Where you've like pushed instead of pulled or pulled instead of pushed and it was the wrong way is a failure of door design
01:53:29 ◼ ► That was that's actually Steve Krug wrote that book because I said that was that was that when I taught web design at UC Berkeley
01:53:47 ◼ ► But neither of which indicates which one is selected is a classic user interface problem
01:53:55 ◼ ► Deal with that and the answer is only one tab has no barrier between it and the rest of the browser club chrome
01:54:07 ◼ ► It must be active and they and they took it away and again if I ask why they took it away John
01:54:17 ◼ ► they had this strategy that they wanted to reduce the size of the browser chrome so that that
01:54:32 ◼ ► 27 inch screen or even a Mac or an iPad with a 13 inch screen that it does if you're on an iPhone and
01:54:39 ◼ ► When they realized there was pushback for their super compact interface they unraveled that
01:54:57 ◼ ► But we're left with all of the pieces of the compact bar that have all of the problems that kill legibility in tabs
01:55:09 ◼ ► I can't believe they shipped it. I can't believe they didn't do look they didn't ship shareplay
01:55:15 ◼ ► They're all these things that they didn't ship because they are not ready yet and yet somehow
01:55:38 ◼ ► I have talked to friends at Apple people who work at Apple in software. It had nothing to do with this
01:55:43 ◼ ► They're just using the betas and and friends multiple friends who have said more or less the same thing, which is I?
01:55:57 ◼ ► Safaris user interface design and the part that makes it so heartbreaking is that Safari invented tabs on Mac when?
01:56:26 ◼ ► You yeah make those tab terminal all the people love people who use terminal love tabs and terminal. They're all Safari tabs
01:56:32 ◼ ► They're all Safari tabs. It was it became the Safari implementation of tabs became the Mac
01:56:38 ◼ ► Implementation of tabs and they just flushed it down the toilet for something. I don't understand is why why like again who?
01:56:48 ◼ ► They needed they so desperately needed to eke out a line of vertical space in a browser window on all the platforms
01:57:05 ◼ ► It's kind of broken, but at least they tried to solve this nagging problem, but there's no nagging problem. There's no
01:57:17 ◼ ► They were just kind of bored and wanted to do something different or there was a problem on the iPhone that they wanted to solve and
01:57:23 ◼ ► Because Apple strategically now wants to roll everything out across all their platforms
01:57:28 ◼ ► rather than really rethink what they were doing they kind of took too many principles from the iPhone and
01:57:36 ◼ ► Because like again, I would be much more sympathetic if they were solving a problem that actually existed, but it was fine
01:58:02 ◼ ► Don't want to show Microsoft Windows don't want to show max and they make a fake computer interface, right?
01:58:07 ◼ ► Like, you know and or like the Marvel like a bad like that Batman movie where Batman has the keyboard with a spacebar on the top
01:58:14 ◼ ► Yeah, it's that kind of thing where it's like it's fake but it's okay because there's also a man in a bat costume
01:58:19 ◼ ► It's fine and it's it's an art form right like to make like the Tony Stark interfaces for his devices that are not based on anything
01:58:31 ◼ ► Well, and I know we know it would be unusable, but it doesn't matter because it looks cool
01:59:01 ◼ ► Right because look is can be a part of the working and it can be aesthetically pleasing
01:59:06 ◼ ► But if it looks good and doesn't work, it's not good design it it's almost like that part
01:59:11 ◼ ► It was that's from an interview with the New York Times. I forget what year probably like
01:59:15 ◼ ► 2004 or so but the part that Steve Jobs didn't even see fit to say is that of course our stuff looks beautiful
01:59:24 ◼ ► You know because that's the thing that they're known for it went unsaid that their stuff looks really cool the hardware and the software
01:59:34 ◼ ► What he was trying to say is that's not the game we play though just to make it look beautiful
01:59:38 ◼ ► It's how it works. It just went unsaid that it looks beautiful. Nobody looked at Safari 14 or Safari
02:00:21 ◼ ► And I'd have all sorts of custom themes on my Mac, but I knew that I was horsing around too. You know it's
02:00:34 ◼ ► It wasn't breaking the usability of it. I wasn't I wasn't installing themes that made it so I couldn't tell which window was active
02:00:41 ◼ ► Yeah, so and I will say this though. I feel like we dodged a bullet in the sense that they shipped with the compact mode off
02:00:49 ◼ ► It's still there, and you can turn it on, but it ships off why it shipped at all I again
02:00:55 ◼ ► I don't understand and somebody thinks that it's great, and they wanted to ship it like I the
02:01:02 ◼ ► Lots of buttons in the browser toolbar vanish and this happens on the iPad as well as on the Mac
02:01:07 ◼ ► The tabs that are not the currently active tab you do see this is an effect of them ripping this stuff out is
02:01:24 ◼ ► All the other tabs are so small that even if you only have three tabs open you basically can't read
02:01:29 ◼ ► the contents of any tab which is bad for tab navigation because you really want to see what's in all of your tabs and
02:01:39 ◼ ► Because it's a URL bar up there instead of the name of the tab that you're on which I think is also a mistake
02:01:44 ◼ ► So like that that really made me scratch my head of like do they understand how people use web browsers because?
02:01:56 ◼ ► That's all about celebrating the use of tabs and yet they've built a user interface that makes tabs illegible
02:02:02 ◼ ► But at least that is turned off although still it's still there. They just turned it off
02:02:08 ◼ ► Pushes them off to the side where you can't even see them with no affordance to indicate how many of them are
02:02:21 ◼ ► The you basically to tap them is to close them beyond a certain point and you can't really
02:02:28 ◼ ► Activate them because they're the tap target because the I think this is another user talking about minor
02:02:41 ◼ ► Which I think is a huge mistake right because I just don't think like your congratulations your logo is now a closed box
02:02:54 ◼ ► Goes off on the on the left side and that's where you close it you'd but now it's just like hovering
02:03:04 ◼ ► it's kind of bananas because you'd think the fab icon might serve as a proxy for the URL and in fact like the
02:03:21 ◼ ► Although it last year they took it, you know, they hit it by the vault so that it only shows up on hover
02:03:31 ◼ ► I'm not trying to throw Alan Dye personally under the bus, but he is in charge of human interface
02:03:36 ◼ ► He's ultimately responsible and he does come from a graphic design background not a interface design background
02:03:43 ◼ ► I have no idea if he personally, you know has had any opinion about any of this but he is ultimately responsible
02:04:02 ◼ ► And so you might think oh I could drag the fav icon to drag this URL and guess what it closes the window or closes
02:04:16 ◼ ► Most destructive action with the I want to keep this thing and do something with it intent
02:04:29 ◼ ► They tried to fix it in progress and then they just shipped whatever they had at the moment when they needed to ship it when the
02:04:39 ◼ ► We'd say like you said they've done with so many other things and they've been doing to their credit. I think one of the best
02:04:54 ◼ ► to switch from trying to get as many features into the dot Oh fall upgrade of the OS and
02:05:13 ◼ ► We're up to like fourteen point six in iOS or something like that and to do and and roll out major features like the iPad
02:05:21 ◼ ► Trackpad and mouse pointer support in March rather than you know, have everything all come out at once
02:05:43 ◼ ► People like me and you are annoyed and they're hearing it from the user interface critic of people
02:05:59 ◼ ► Just you're two clicks away from installing Chrome or brave or Firefox or something like that
02:06:18 ◼ ► I could see them doing it and say download Chrome the Mac browser with tabs that look like tabs and
02:06:33 ◼ ► It's like so people who like get this surprise update what the hell happened to my Safari
02:06:39 ◼ ► You get the color backgrounds by default and you have to go into preferences to turn it off and everybody knows that the more
02:06:50 ◼ ► Typical Joe and Jane user you might be the less likely you ever are to go into preferences
02:06:56 ◼ ► So people are gonna know lots of people who don't like the color background the color tint whatever you call it
02:07:15 ◼ ► Hey, take a look at Chrome looks like a nor, you know, looks like normal Mac window with normal Mac tabs
02:07:23 ◼ ► Yeah, just like Safari on the iPhone. Oh, by the way, that's the worst thing about Safari. I don't get it
02:07:30 ◼ ► Why did they do it? Why do they have the closed buttons in the top right like windows? It's it's
02:07:38 ◼ ► Something's going on there something something bad is happening that that's the part that concerns me the most about I mean we can we can
02:07:47 ◼ ► I'm more concerned about the fact that this happened and that and that while I am encouraged by the fact that
02:07:53 ◼ ► it happened and yet somehow the the outcry and the feedback was enough that they they listened to a lot of the
02:08:00 ◼ ► Criticism of it and actually changed some of it which they say is what the beta process is for but it isn't always true
02:08:07 ◼ ► And I appreciate that yet. I am also extremely worried one that somehow this got in the keynote without
02:08:18 ◼ ► so without anybody criticizing it to the point that made it clear that they needed to put the brakes on it and that to as
02:08:25 ◼ ► The summer went along that whatever they had they felt was shippable when it's really bad and and this all
02:08:33 ◼ ► Could have been avoided like this all could have been avoided and they could have set save face by saying look
02:08:38 ◼ ► We've got your feedback. It's very important to us. We're not going to ship the new version of Safari right away
02:08:46 ◼ ► But instead they just sort of made a few changes in the summer and shipped it and it's it why that was allowed to happen
02:08:55 ◼ ► It's we wasted all of our bullets fixing getting getting iOS Safari fixed and iOS Safari as as it
02:09:14 ◼ ► Really question whether they should have the address bar on the bottom. That was the first of my wife when she upgraded
02:09:20 ◼ ► Was like what the hell is this and she never comes to me and complains like about things like that
02:09:32 ◼ ► She was on a web page and she was like what the hell is this and I said, oh you can hear go to the AA
02:09:44 ◼ ► And I know people let some people like it but I to me they should not have changed that because I'm telling you
02:09:49 ◼ ► It's it's a big change for people who don't like big change to to I think it's great as an option
02:09:55 ◼ ► But I just don't think it should be the default but overall iOS Safari. Let's call it fixed. It's a good update
02:10:11 ◼ ► Could hear the argument otherwise max Safari tabs disaster. This is one of the worst things Apple has ever shipped
02:10:20 ◼ ► I don't I don't have analytics on daring fireball at the moment I because I got rid of Google Analytics last year for
02:10:28 ◼ ► Respecting packages. So I don't know my exact numbers and I don't think my audience is quite
02:10:37 ◼ ► Representative of anything as a whole but I would not be surprised that among websites that have
02:10:43 ◼ ► representative audiences of you know, the general public Safari for Mac is going to if is going to see a
02:10:51 ◼ ► significant decrease in in users because of this because I and because this is the thing nerds might argue about the difference in what you
02:11:04 ◼ ► Aggressive support of the latest and greatest standards and stuff like that, but you know what normal people care about like
02:11:09 ◼ ► Do I understand what tab is that is active? Does this look right? Does this look like a normal web browser?
02:11:14 ◼ ► Yep, and that's a real shame because you know, it's not the WebKit people who chose this
02:11:20 ◼ ► this is some kind of human interface thing and so all of this hard work that they put into WebKit and
02:11:27 ◼ ► Major WebKit browser no offense to like iCAB and I know there's a few other browsers that are esoteric
02:11:37 ◼ ► Your choice is Safari and the reason that Safari is the only one is that Safari has been so good as a Mac app
02:11:44 ◼ ► Yeah, and I just don't want to get like also the Safari team built tab groups and I think tab groups are pretty great
02:11:58 ◼ ► It's really easy to throw things into groups and then they live on all your devices and like it's such a great tab
02:12:03 ◼ ► feature and yet again, it's in this release that's so broken in so many other ways and and
02:12:13 ◼ ► It's a shame because that's a great feature. Yeah. Anyway, well enough ranting Jason. Thank you as always
02:12:26 ◼ ► Build a website we had earnest where you can refinance your student loans at a great rate and
02:12:34 ◼ ► Sanity I owe the talk show also news from you before we go you've got a new podcast coming now
02:12:40 ◼ ► This is what I've been telling you for years Jason. What you need is to do more podcasts more podcasts in my life. Yeah, I know
02:12:47 ◼ ► There's so many but this is really taking the place of a podcast that we stopped last year called the TV talk machine that I used
02:12:54 ◼ ► To do with Tim Goodman who was the chief TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter and Tim retired from TV criticism
02:13:23 ◼ ► Countering and and what the future of TV was gonna be linear versus streaming and all of this stuff
02:13:28 ◼ ► Like I think it's really fascinating. It's it's changing really fast. Everybody wants to be one of the big companies
02:13:37 ◼ ► Because a bunch of them are gonna lose but the ones who win are they're gonna be kings and I love talking to Tim
02:13:45 ◼ ► Got the impression that his editors at THR just wanted him to review lots of shows and he was much more interested in talking about
02:14:01 ◼ ► And we talked about some of that stuff on upgrade, but it's usually pretty Apple TV focused
02:14:06 ◼ ► occasionally we spread out and in August I did a guest episode with Julie Alexander who used to cover this stuff for The Verge and
02:14:13 ◼ ► Polygon and IGN and now her job is literally to be an analyst in this space for parrot research
02:14:20 ◼ ► So they do research on like demand for various shows and various streaming services and lots of great stuff
02:14:32 ◼ ► Basically, we started talking about could we do this as a podcast? So it's called downstream. It starts October 6th. We have a zero episode
02:14:41 ◼ ► We recorded last month and an intro just to kind of get it into Apple podcasts and stuff
02:14:45 ◼ ► But the real stuff starts October 6th. So if you're interested in sort of the future of the business of binging and
02:14:52 ◼ ► Other stuff like that. We're gonna do every other week me and Julie Alexander talking about it
02:14:58 ◼ ► So it is a new podcast for me, but I feel like I was holding open that spot when TV TM shut down
02:15:04 ◼ ► Hoping that I would be able to put something else in there and this is what we're gonna do
02:15:15 ◼ ► Unless Amazon kind of out bids them and the reason for that is I think we've seen Apple
02:15:22 ◼ ► Apple's really interested in live and and a lot of its competitors aren't like Disney's interested in live
02:15:31 ◼ ► Amazon's interested in live and they actually have an NFL package next year that they're gonna start doing
02:15:38 ◼ ► Netflix is not interested in live things as far as I can tell and live has its own like live streaming
02:15:48 ◼ ► You've got to actually serve it and your your servers have to have to survive and I think Apple
02:15:54 ◼ ► Sees live sports is the future Sunday ticket seems to be one of the things that would get them on the map in terms of live sports
02:16:11 ◼ ► Live events and they haven't gotten there other than their own product events. They haven't gotten there
02:16:17 ◼ ► and so I think Apple is gonna do a sports play of some kind and Sunday ticket is a pretty good one because
02:16:25 ◼ ► NFL game that's out of market and you can just watch them all you can pick your favorite team from out of market and watch
02:16:35 ◼ ► Possibilities to it that I think Apple would really get into it's been exclusive to direct TV TV maybe from the get-go
02:16:43 ◼ ► It direct TV is now owned by AT&T and they spend three billion dollars a year or something like that on the NFL Sunday ticket
02:17:00 ◼ ► Pays for Sunday ticket is overpaying because they have the strategy reason why they want to get people on their platform a Apple
02:17:12 ◼ ► Because we want people to we want their credit card and we want them to sign up for Apple
02:17:20 ◼ ► That's the reason you'd pay for something like Sunday ticket because you will overpay you'll never make the money back
02:17:25 ◼ ► But you'll get people in your system one of the big customers for this or it's like a sports bar type place that wants to
02:17:34 ◼ ► no matter which game you want to see you can go to that bar and watch the game that you want to see and
02:17:52 ◼ ► like where the best way to like run a sports bar where you show every single Sunday game is to just buy like three Apple TVs
02:18:01 ◼ ► And that's the type of thing Apple could make really really nice where it's really really a good interface
02:18:06 ◼ ► For the people who run the establishment to be like, okay, we'll put the Kansas City game over there
02:18:16 ◼ ► And we better put it we better put a second version of the Dallas game over here because there's lots of Dallas fans
02:18:21 ◼ ► It's plus it allows them to potentially innovate and like drop the radio broadcasts on so you could listen to the radio broadcast instead of
02:18:27 ◼ ► The TV there's all sorts of stuff you can do once you've got those things on streaming instead of just on sort of more linear
02:18:36 ◼ ► I hope it doesn't go to streaming because my internet isn't fast enough to stream seven different games at once
02:18:51 ◼ ► it's it's not and also I would say I think some of those bars are gonna lose customers because
02:18:56 ◼ ► To install a satellite dish on your roof just to get to direct TV. It's a big big thresholds to cross
02:19:04 ◼ ► Whereas just clicking a button on on a streamer box whether it's Apple or somebody else and say yes
02:19:15 ◼ ► it's gonna be a much more successful package than it was before because that was the whole idea is like I
02:19:29 ◼ ► It's a lot to like put a box in your house and a giant dish on your roof and it tied to your chimney and stuff
02:19:37 ◼ ► So I think the access is gonna be better for consumers and maybe few fewer people will go to the bar seeking out that
02:19:43 ◼ ► Philadelphia Eagles game I think the I think that I think Apple's gonna get it. Anyway, that's my prediction