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00:00:00 ◼   ► The World Series has unified our country around around one central theme, which is booing and

00:00:08 ◼   ► heckling Donald Trump. Right. Did you watch that yesterday? It's a beautiful moment that we can

00:00:14 ◼   ► all share together. So you take the kids, you take the kids and at the seventh inning stretch,

00:00:20 ◼   ► you all stand up and you boo the president. This was, it was an interesting thing. And for

00:00:27 ◼   ► For those of you who aren't, I mean,

00:00:30 ◼   ► there's so much real stuff going on with world politics and us politics and

00:00:36 ◼   ► Trump. And it's, you know, it's,

00:00:39 ◼   ► in, in normal times it would be a fun thing to just talk about,

00:00:44 ◼   ► but I'm going to do it anyway.

00:00:46 ◼   ► But I realized that his reception at a baseball game is not important in the

00:00:51 ◼   ► grand scheme of things and that there are many things that are important,

00:00:54 ◼   ► but this is not a political podcast, so let's just focus.

00:00:57 ◼   ► - This is perfect territory for us to cover.

00:01:00 ◼   ► - This is a nonsense podcast.

00:01:01 ◼   ► - Sure.

00:01:02 ◼   ► - So why don't we talk about the nonsense?

00:01:06 ◼   ► So Trump was in a bad position in a couple of ways on this

00:01:11 ◼   ► because it's like a couple of things had to happen for this.

00:01:14 ◼   ► But the first and foremost, the fact that the Nationals,

00:01:17 ◼   ► the Washington Nationals are in the World Series,

00:01:19 ◼   ► which was unlikely.

00:01:20 ◼   ► They were a wildcard team.

00:01:22 ◼   ► So they had to win a one-game playoff just to make the regular playoffs.

00:01:27 ◼   ► And then they had to beat some really good teams to get here.

00:01:30 ◼   ► They were certainly not favored against the Dodgers.

00:01:33 ◼   ► And here they are.

00:01:36 ◼   ► But it's sort of traditional for a U.S. president to throw out the first pitch, usually on opening

00:01:41 ◼   ► day, like at April 1st or something like that.

00:01:44 ◼   ► But Trump doesn't do that, even though Trump claims that as a young man he was the best

00:01:49 ◼   ► player in New York State. And if you believe that. Right, he went from probably

00:01:57 ◼   ► being, you know, like looking at him swing a golf club. He probably was, you

00:02:01 ◼   ► know, an adequate, at least, high school baseball player. You know, by now, now 50

00:02:11 ◼   ► some years later, he was the best player in the state. And yet

00:02:15 ◼   ► somehow didn't play professional baseball. He has even said in so many words that he

00:02:22 ◼   ► doesn't want to throw out a pitch at a World Series because they would make him wear what

00:02:26 ◼   ► he calls "heavy body armor" and that it would make him look too heavy. And then,

00:02:32 ◼   ► funny enough, in the New York Times, the New York Times, which usually, if anything, bends

00:02:37 ◼   ► over backwards to play it straight and avoid denigrating him in news coverage. Believe

00:02:46 ◼   ► it or not, conservative listeners out there, they really do. It drives liberals nuts almost.

00:02:53 ◼   ► Not even almost. But they paraphrased him as saying it would make him look "fat," which

00:03:00 ◼   ► is not the word he used. But other presidents have had to wear the bulletproof vest underneath

00:03:07 ◼   ► jacket. George Bush or younger George Bush in particular you know famously

00:03:12 ◼   ► threw out a pitch at Yankee Stadium shortly after in the world 2001 World

00:03:18 ◼   ► Series which was in the aftermath of 9/11 and threw a strike you know and he

00:03:25 ◼   ► was really worried about it because he I would imagine he had it's a long way

00:03:31 ◼   ► and you know I imagine that those bullet professor are pretty constricting for a

00:03:37 ◼   ► emotion like baseball. Yeah, yeah, I would imagine. And you

00:03:40 ◼   ► know, and if you don't like, I guess they would probably try

00:03:43 ◼   ► you out there and they have you do a couple of you think they

00:03:45 ◼   ► would do that right? Have a few practice throws? Yeah, I think I

00:03:48 ◼   ► remember reading with Bush that he threw a couple in the there's

00:03:51 ◼   ► usually like, there's like batting cages and, and areas

00:03:56 ◼   ► where players can warm up inside the stadium. And so I threw a

00:04:00 ◼   ► couple pitches. Yeah, so not on the mound. Right. But I think

00:04:04 ◼   ► it's you know it's a very as one could imagine throwing a couple of warm-up pitches in a basement

00:04:09 ◼   ► at the stadium uh it's very different than throwing it in front of 60 000 screaming fans at the world

00:04:16 ◼   ► series with an audience of millions watching around the world yeah uh well at least bush bush

00:04:22 ◼   ► wasn't getting booed so you know no you know unanimous cheers for for president bush at the

00:04:27 ◼   ► time because it was a time of unity as it should have been. But Obama, you know, Obama

00:04:35 ◼   ► didn't throw out pitches in times like the aftermath of 9/11. You know, you could consider

00:04:41 ◼   ► Obama's appearances at sporting events to be relatively normal presidential visits or

00:04:47 ◼   ► first pitches.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Jared Ranerel, Jr. Sort of unremarkable.

00:04:49 ◼   ► Unremarkable, other than the fact that Barack Obama, although quite a basketball player,

00:04:56 ◼   ► has obviously never played baseball because if you ever look at the video of it, he really

00:05:02 ◼   ► doesn't know how to throw a ball.

00:05:04 ◼   ► No, I've not seen it.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Which is odd, because usually I could see being a total non-athlete and not really knowing

00:05:11 ◼   ► how to throw a baseball.

00:05:12 ◼   ► That's certainly one thing, but it's a bit unusual to me for someone to be good at one

00:05:16 ◼   ► ball sport like basketball and really really look like a fish out of water

00:05:20 ◼   ► throwing a baseball but who cares right you're not it doesn't count for the

00:05:24 ◼   ► score it's the president of the United States and I would cheer for any

00:05:28 ◼   ► president it's not part of the game

00:05:31 ◼   ► throwing out the first pitch they should really be throwing out the first pitch

00:05:38 ◼   ► screw this handing handing a dinger to the through the ball more likely a ball

00:05:45 ◼   ► Yeah, or a hit by pitch.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Maybe they shouldn't, they should not, well, although, you know, it's probably not going

00:05:52 ◼   ► to be very hard.

00:05:55 ◼   ► But anyway, so I guess I should explain that for our listeners who aren't even familiar

00:06:00 ◼   ► with the ceremonial first pitch.

00:06:02 ◼   ► So I think at most, at all professional baseball games, there's usually a ceremonial first

00:06:10 ◼   ► pitch where it doesn't count for the score but they'll bring out some local.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Yeah usually usually yes so usually it's a local but you know it could be you

00:06:20 ◼   ► know so a youngster who just won a science fair project or national you

00:06:25 ◼   ► know if the kid in your area wins a spelling bee or something like that

00:06:29 ◼   ► they'll bring them out and let everybody cheer but the president often does this

00:06:36 ◼   ► on opening day. Trump has never done it on opening day. And the presidents often, there's

00:06:43 ◼   ► a long history of presidents being baseball fans in particular. Nixon was a baseball nut.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Ronald Reagan had spent time as a radio announcer for baseball games during his early professional

00:06:58 ◼   ► career as a broadcaster. Bill Clinton, I think was a baseball fan. George W. Bush, George H.W.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Bush, the original George Bush as I like to call him, was unlike Donald Trump actually was

00:07:15 ◼   ► an elite baseball player. He played on the Yale team and I think he played in the National College

00:07:20 ◼   ► Champion. I forget if they won the college championship, but they he didn't just play

00:07:24 ◼   ► for Yale, Yale was actually very good, like right before World War II. Very good baseball player,

00:07:31 ◼   ► George W. Bush, owned the Texas Rangers. And in my opinion, still does. Still owns the goddamn Texas

00:07:42 ◼   ► Rangers. And yet, every time me or my friends or my listeners edit the Wikipedia page for the

00:07:48 ◼   ► Texas Rangers to put down that George W. Bush is the owner of the team, it gets edited out.

00:07:54 ◼   ► And I'm not telling you the people listening to this podcast to go edit the Wikipedia page for the Texas Rangers to list George W

00:08:01 ◼   ► Bush as the team owner, but you could

00:08:03 ◼   ► And it wouldn't bother me

00:08:06 ◼   ► You know

00:08:08 ◼   ► It's not even even I still think he owns the team frankly if you can you can't convince me otherwise

00:08:13 ◼   ► But it's into undisputed that he previously owned at least part of the team literally owned a baseball team. Yeah

00:08:21 ◼   ► And he showed he was up. He was went to a lot of those games. Oh

00:08:24 ◼   ► Absolutely and still still goes to some of them. Oh, yeah, and he was there. He did for years

00:08:29 ◼   ► I don't watch much baseball anymore. Yeah, that sucks. But uh, well they

00:08:33 ◼   ► You were on back in in April and they were tearing it up

00:08:37 ◼   ► I know and then you know that that ended it right there

00:08:41 ◼   ► And then I think they might have had the worst record in baseball after that. They started out as like since I was on this show

00:08:49 ◼   ► So now I think we're doing a reset so maybe they'll probably start the year off for getting great

00:08:53 ◼   ► Yeah, so anyway, the Washington Nationals are there that Washington did the city of Washington is nuts for the team there

00:08:59 ◼   ► They're there. They haven't had a championship team and

00:09:02 ◼   ► I don't know. I think the last time a professional baseball team was in the World Series in Washington was

00:09:08 ◼   ► 1933 and and Franklin Delano Roosevelt threw out a pitch

00:09:13 ◼   ► now part of the reason they have a long drought is that the team moved to

00:09:19 ◼   ► what was then back back in old time days the washington senators although they're apparently

00:09:23 ◼   ► their nickname i didn't know this until this week was the nationals people referred to the

00:09:27 ◼   ► washington senators as the nationals and that's i guess where they got this name from anyway they

00:09:33 ◼   ► moved to minnesota and became the twins i believe right is it is that i don't know i don't know that

00:09:39 ◼   ► could be as made up i'm willing to believe that sure it could be as made up as anything i'm pretty

00:09:42 ◼   ► sure. Well, they went somewhere. And so there was a decades-long drought where there was no team in

00:09:50 ◼   ► the Washington, D.C. city. And I guess they had to sort of adopt the nearby Baltimore Orioles as

00:09:56 ◼   ► the team of the local team. Yeah, that's when I lived in the D.C. area, and that's who we went

00:10:05 ◼   ► to see. Yeah. Which, you know, of course, was the only game in town. But even went to the old,

00:10:11 ◼   ► what was it national field national bark soldier field no soldier field chicago

00:10:17 ◼   ► yeah right i knew that well anyway trump effectively once they made it to the world

00:10:25 ◼   ► series and it's such a big deal he kind of had to come he really should have thrown out a pitch but

00:10:29 ◼   ► if he threw out that pitch everybody knew what was going to happen he's going to get booed

00:10:33 ◼   ► vociferously uh i'm not even quite sure why that is now i i do know it almost it really is almost

00:10:41 ◼   ► defies belief that in the 2016 election in the city of Washington he got four percent of the vote.

00:10:47 ◼   ► I mean however popular he is nationwide, you know. Well he's just general in metropolitan areas in

00:10:56 ◼   ► general I think he's not very well liked. And I wonder what kind of reception he would have

00:11:01 ◼   ► gotten in Houston. I would have had to have been warmer or at least mixed right there would have

00:11:07 ◼   ► Definitely. So anyway, what happened is he did show up, but he didn't throw out the first pitch.

00:11:11 ◼   ► And the Washington Nationals kind of stuck it to him a little. And so...

00:11:15 ◼   ► Well, the owner wouldn't have him in this box, right? The owner asked that he not

00:11:20 ◼   ► have to ask him to be in the box. Right. It is... the ways of diplomacy are so weird. And,

00:11:28 ◼   ► you know, but that's... what you said is exactly right. So the owner didn't want to say,

00:11:33 ◼   ► I don't want you in my box." So the owner went to the league and said, "I don't want to be put in a

00:11:38 ◼   ► position of being asked if he could be in my box. You know, we'll get him another luxury box. We'll

00:11:45 ◼   ► get him his own box." Yeah, we're gonna kick somebody else out of their box. Which I wonder

00:11:50 ◼   ► about that too, like where'd that box come from? You would think that, you know, a luxury box for

00:11:56 ◼   ► the World Series, like did somebody have to be... Some terrible company probably donated it. Some,

00:12:01 ◼   ► you know, some, you know, like tobacco or gun company probably donated it. Yeah. Or maybe

00:12:07 ◼   ► somebody who doesn't even like Trump just did it for the team, you know, and they were like, hey,

00:12:11 ◼   ► if you'll give up, we know you've got this, we've got this box, but they get the secret service

00:12:15 ◼   ► wants him in this one. They think, you know, the, the line, you know, the, I'm sure the secret

00:12:20 ◼   ► service had some sort of say, right? It wasn't Yeah, it wasn't dead center. Right.

00:12:27 ◼   ► But they also invited a chef, I forget his name, Jose something, to throw out the first pitch

00:12:34 ◼   ► instead of Trump for the game five. And he's a vocal critic of Trump. So they invited a guy who

00:12:40 ◼   ► is a critic of Trump to throw out the first pitch. He didn't show up. Trump, in his entourage, did

00:12:44 ◼   ► not show up until the third inning. So they missed the opening pitch. And then they put him up on the

00:12:51 ◼   ► scoreboard in between innings. And a PA announcer said, "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the

00:12:55 ◼   ► the United States is here. And then it got ugly. Yeah, it got

00:13:02 ◼   ► really ugly. They booed very loudly. Somebody said it. Some

00:13:06 ◼   ► reporter said, I don't know how they measured. I don't know if

00:13:08 ◼   ► this is BS or not, that it was over 100 decibels. And there's

00:13:12 ◼   ► video of it. And it's like he's on TV, too. And you could see

00:13:16 ◼   ► that he, you know, like always, he's captivated by a television.

00:13:20 ◼   ► So he sees that he's on TV, and he's smiling, like gives his

00:13:24 ◼   ► wife like a nudge like hey look we're on TV and then they're real happy and he's

00:13:28 ◼   ► like waving at the TV even though that's not where the camera is and then it

00:13:34 ◼   ► really is it really does seem you know the booze start and it really does seem

00:13:38 ◼   ► like it really did seem to get to him I maybe I'm reading into his expression

00:13:43 ◼   ► definitely changed there it like the way to play it clearly is to not acknowledge

00:13:49 ◼   ► the booze and just you know right but it really seemed to get him down because it

00:13:54 ◼   ► Yeah, it might you know, he might I'm sure he knew he was gonna get booed that there were that there would be booze

00:14:00 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure he realized sure

00:14:02 ◼   ► I'm not well, who knows with this. Are we sure that he doesn't really think he's super popular

00:14:06 ◼   ► well, he'd

00:14:09 ◼   ► Like maybe he has no idea that his handlers never let him go to a yes neutral right thing like he did

00:14:16 ◼   ► He doesn't even realize that

00:14:18 ◼   ► The only places he ever goes are rallies filled with his

00:14:23 ◼   ► supporters

00:14:24 ◼   ► Because he doesn't even go to like the Kennedy Awards and and I don't even think he would get booed at a thing like that

00:14:29 ◼   ► It's like a black tie an annual black tie event in Washington and the president up

00:14:34 ◼   ► Didn't they stop doing those press the press thing the press dinner? Yeah

00:14:39 ◼   ► Or did they just do it this they think they did it this year without him, right?

00:14:43 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, he has never attended that the White House Correspondents Dinner the way that's it. That's right. Yeah

00:14:51 ◼   ► It's so he gets they make jokes they yeah, yeah, they well they make jokes that they're not their expense and that was you know

00:14:58 ◼   ► You're gonna go into the 2012 one where Obama or

00:15:04 ◼   ► Exactly, whenever whenever it was

00:15:07 ◼   ► Somebody on Twitter today Josh Josh Marshall from TPM was tweeting about that and

00:15:12 ◼   ► somebody tweeted back that it's effectively his

00:15:16 ◼   ► superhero villain origin story. Because what happened, for those of you who don't know,

00:15:21 ◼   ► you can Google it and it's kind of heartbreaking in hindsight, but in 2011 or 2012, I forget,

00:15:28 ◼   ► but Barack Obama was speaking at this White House Correspondents Dinner, which is like a roast,

00:15:32 ◼   ► and you know, it's supposed to get up there and you have to effectively do like stand up,

00:15:36 ◼   ► and had a whole bit ripping into Trump who was in attendance, making fun of him for having

00:15:43 ◼   ► supported that theory that Barack Obama's birth certificate was forged and he was actually

00:15:49 ◼   ► born in Kenya and therefore ineligible to be the president. Ridiculous conspiracy theory.

00:15:56 ◼   ► Really really laid into Trump. I mean really laid into him and it was very funny and apparently

00:16:02 ◼   ► infuriated Trump and a lot of people think might have been the deciding moment that made

00:16:06 ◼   ► him stop saying every four years he'd run for president which is something he had done

00:16:11 ◼   ► since like 1988 and actually do it. And so has jokes on us.

00:16:18 ◼   ► Right. Right. I know. Instead of going back and killing Hitler, going back to Obama not

00:16:26 ◼   ► to tell those jokes.

00:16:30 ◼   ► Or like going back and instead of killing Hitler, I just, you know, giving them a couple

00:16:33 ◼   ► zingers I didn't want to mess with history too much so I didn't kill Hitler

00:16:42 ◼   ► but I gotta tell you I really got some good guts in it I had a whole section on

00:16:47 ◼   ► the mustache alone that haircut come with a free bowl of soup so anyway that

00:17:00 ◼   ► was the highlight of the World Series for me. He really got it. Oh, and they had some

00:17:05 ◼   ► chance too. They broke into…

00:17:07 ◼   ► Oh, that's right. Yeah.

00:17:08 ◼   ► They broke into…

00:17:09 ◼   ► Lock him up.

00:17:10 ◼   ► Lock him up, which is…

00:17:11 ◼   ► And there's been a lot of talk about that since then.

00:17:13 ◼   ► Yeah, that was…

00:17:14 ◼   ► About how uncivil it is.

00:17:17 ◼   ► Yeah. Well…

00:17:19 ◼   ► You know, I just can't be bothered to care.

00:17:25 ◼   ► You know, it's funny though. You see, like, you say, like, so, like, the cities themselves

00:17:29 ◼   ► overwhelmingly. I didn't know how this would play out. I don't know how that I don't know who goes

00:17:33 ◼   ► to World Series games, you know, like, it would occur to me that there might be fans of the

00:17:37 ◼   ► Nationals, not just who live in the city or in the metro area, but it might come from quite far away

00:17:43 ◼   ► in region, you know, there might. I wasn't sure that it that the crowd would be overwhelmingly

00:17:48 ◼   ► against him, you know, like, you know, that the people who are against them are going to boo. But

00:17:54 ◼   ► I thought maybe there'd be a lot of other people who it seems like there's probably a number of

00:17:58 ◼   ► people from Northern Virginia who go and because it's right there right and a lot of those people

00:18:05 ◼   ► are conservative yeah but apparently not or apparently they just you know kept their mouth

00:18:12 ◼   ► shut but it was quite a thing to see uh i would imagine like i don't remember it and it wasn't as

00:18:19 ◼   ► contentious but i would imagine that there were certainly like if you know somebody like barack

00:18:23 ◼   ► obama comes out to throw a pitch there's going to be some people who boo and there's going to be

00:18:27 ◼   ► some people who cheer but I don't think the boos are really gonna it's not gonna be like it was

00:18:32 ◼   ► last night no there really is quite a thing when you think about it that he never goes somewhere

00:18:37 ◼   ► where it's uh just like any famously you know even though he's from New York he never goes back to

00:18:44 ◼   ► New York I mean I guess he was there for like the UN meeting or whatever but he never appears in

00:18:48 ◼   ► public yeah um and it's just New York hates him hates him even more yeah I think so too and I

00:18:54 ◼   ► I think New Yorkers are meaner.

00:18:57 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

00:18:58 ◼   ► They'll throw batteries at you.

00:19:00 ◼   ► I mean, they literally call it a Bronx Cheer.

00:19:02 ◼   ► I mean, they've named it after...

00:19:05 ◼   ► Well, the batteries, that's a Philly thing.

00:19:08 ◼   ► Come on.

00:19:09 ◼   ► Yeah, true.

00:19:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:11 ◼   ► Bulletproof vests.

00:19:12 ◼   ► They don't make battery proof vests.

00:19:17 ◼   ► Battery proof vests.

00:19:19 ◼   ► Oh, man.

00:19:20 ◼   ► You should get on that.

00:19:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:22 ◼   ► late, left early, but really, really laid into them. I don't read his tweets. My wife

00:19:28 ◼   ► for some reason does. My wife likes to get in there once a day. She's like just—

00:19:33 ◼   ► So is that how she gets to see she doesn't drink coffee?

00:19:36 ◼   ► Yeah. It's just like a once a day maintenance task, just to see what's going on.

00:19:43 ◼   ► Blood boiling.

00:19:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:45 ◼   ► I can't look at him. I can't even hear him talk on TV.

00:19:48 ◼   ► There's a lot of people who are like that.

00:19:53 ◼   ► So I'll wait for other people to…

00:19:55 ◼   ► I don't have blocks up on his tweets, so I wait for other people to retweet or something

00:19:59 ◼   ► like that.

00:20:00 ◼   ► That's the thing I do and I still get… because people screenshot it.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:04 ◼   ► And then they post it and it's like, "Oh, I didn't want to see that."

00:20:07 ◼   ► He tweeted the other night, I guess in preparation for his morning announcement that they killed

00:20:11 ◼   ► the terrorist guy, the ISIS guy.

00:20:15 ◼   ► All he tweeted…

00:20:16 ◼   ► He couldn't help himself.

00:20:17 ◼   ► tweeted, something amazing just happened, exclamation mark, and then he went to bed.

00:20:24 ◼   ► Like, you can't do that as the President of the United States. Like, he's, you know what

00:20:28 ◼   ► I mean? Like, put aside all this other stuff, like, how do you not, you know, and then he

00:20:33 ◼   ► had one up to I couldn't believe it. I honestly, God couldn't believe it is that it eventually

00:20:37 ◼   ► did delete this one. But for hours, at least half a day, he had up a tweet that consisted

00:20:43 ◼   ► of four periods and that was it. Just dot, dot, dot, dot. And that was the entire tweet.

00:20:50 ◼   ► And again, we've all, you know, sometimes, I don't know what he's, I guess he always

00:20:55 ◼   ► tweets from his phone, but you know, you can fat finger the return button on the keyboard

00:20:58 ◼   ► and you know, every once in a while you're doing something and some of these apps hit

00:21:02 ◼   ► return and he gives you a new line and sometimes it sends, right, some chats. So you know,

00:21:08 ◼   ► you can hit return on a tweet before you're done and maybe have it go out there and then

00:21:11 ◼   ► just oh any quick you know you'd go and delete it of course right like how do

00:21:15 ◼   ► you know how does it stay up for hours on it that looks like any rational anyway

00:21:20 ◼   ► like why am I arguing yeah why am I arguing it's just no point I just I

00:21:27 ◼   ► think would with other presidents while Twitter has been around so it's mostly

00:21:32 ◼   ► Obama probably yeah entirely right yeah yeah that's right yeah it is entirely I

00:21:37 ◼   ► was thinking of 2012 but yeah no I was it was 2008 well I guess although I

00:21:41 ◼   ► guess George is probably a team running that whole that whole thing you know I

00:21:45 ◼   ► mean that stuff all that stuff was probably talked about yeah and vetted

00:21:50 ◼   ► and crafted before it was published yeah none of it was coming from Obama's id I

00:22:04 ◼   ► I feel bad feel bad for the guy he got booed so sad sad yeah yeah God can you

00:22:12 ◼   ► imagine if Obama went somewhere and got booed that loudly the tweets that would

00:22:17 ◼   ► come out of this jackass celebrating it yeah like you just know it bothered him

00:22:23 ◼   ► and you knew he kind of knew it was gonna happen and I think it was worse

00:22:26 ◼   ► than he expected and like the lock him up chance there was another one like

00:22:30 ◼   ► impeach Trump impeach Trump

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00:25:08 ◼   ► I predicted that the opening bit would be 45 minutes.

00:25:11 ◼   ► I think it only took, what did it take, 20?

00:25:14 ◼   ► I'm just not sure. Yeah, I don't know if I could talk about him for 45 minutes. I'm not crazy

00:25:18 ◼   ► I do hope I hope the Nationals come back and when I'm rooting for him

00:25:24 ◼   ► I always root against whoever beats the Yankees. So the Astros beat the Yankees again

00:25:29 ◼   ► So I have to root for the Nationals maybe good for the city. Yeah, I do. It's funny. I do the opposite

00:25:35 ◼   ► You hold a parade for the team to beats the Yankees whether they go on to win or lose the world series

00:25:42 ◼   ► Yeah, you still get her.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Although, you know, I do not have a lot of love for the Astros obviously because

00:25:49 ◼   ► they moved into our division and have, you know,

00:25:52 ◼   ► completely owned the Mariners throughout their history.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Simultaneous with the move went from a historic sad sack team to the best team in baseball over the last five years.

00:26:06 ◼   ► Right. That's a tough division to be in.

00:26:09 ◼   ► But even when they were bad they were always like they always beat the Mariners

00:26:13 ◼   ► We were like we would have a you having a great year and we go to Houston

00:26:17 ◼   ► We lost three in a row in Houston

00:26:19 ◼   ► right because they did have when they first started this process like

00:26:22 ◼   ► You know the the organization that's built this team

00:26:26 ◼   ► They they were like we're gonna we got to start over and they did have a historically bad season. They lost lost 100 games

00:26:32 ◼   ► And you're saying even then they they'd go in and get oh, yeah

00:26:37 ◼   ► Maybe it's my imagination, but I I have a feeling that if I checked that they would have a strong winning record against the Mariners

00:26:43 ◼   ► We had three other, you know, from the you know, whenever these teams were founded sometime in the 70s, right? Yeah

00:26:50 ◼   ► So the big news we got big news today just dropped out of nowhere. Yeah unexpectedly on

00:26:54 ◼   ► Monday well, yeah, I mean, you know right now unexpectedly but

00:27:00 ◼   ► They were rumored to come right? Yeah air pods Pro and

00:27:04 ◼   ► There even that's even the name and there so I believe unless I'm wrong that this is the first time Apple has adopted my

00:27:11 ◼   ► beloved

00:27:14 ◼   ► plural with an S and then an adjective

00:27:17 ◼   ► construction which is grammatically correct for things like your

00:27:22 ◼   ► mothers-in-law or

00:27:25 ◼   ► holes in one a

00:27:27 ◼   ► Talented golfer might have hit three holes in attorneys general attorneys general is a famous one

00:27:33 ◼   ► Because you're not a general you you are an attorney and

00:27:37 ◼   ► Generally speaking, I guess I'm still not quite sure that I know you're not a general

00:27:42 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure where the phrase Attorney General went for came from but because general is an adjective describing the attorney who you are

00:27:49 ◼   ► You're multiple of several of you getting together

00:27:52 ◼   ► For cocktails would be attorneys general and now we have air pods Pro. I

00:27:58 ◼   ► Like it. It can be I realized today there was yeah

00:28:03 ◼   ► It could be a bit of a mouthful though. It was like AirPods Pro Earbuds and it's like

00:28:10 ◼   ► now there's two. Like I wanted to say that I was like talking about the tips, you know,

00:28:16 ◼   ► there's like three adjustable size tips you can have with them. And it just seems funny

00:28:20 ◼   ► when you go plural, adjective plural. But I'm not saying it's a bad name. I like it.

00:28:28 ◼   ► But you could say AirPod before.

00:28:32 ◼   ► I guess you could still say AirPod Pro for one of them.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Like if you take one out of your ear, it is an AirPod Pro in your hand?

00:28:40 ◼   ► I guess?

00:28:42 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:28:43 ◼   ► Yeah, because they don't do that with the iPhone Pro, right?

00:28:46 ◼   ► Or any other Pro?

00:28:47 ◼   ► No, they don't.

00:28:49 ◼   ► They go out of their way.

00:28:50 ◼   ► So it must be like pants.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a little bit like pants.

00:28:54 ◼   ► And they hit, you know, I go out of my way, I have my quirks in my writing style. I like

00:28:59 ◼   ► to say iPhones, you know, like the iPhones eight. Yeah. But like the backstory, people

00:29:06 ◼   ► often ask about that. And one of the reasons that I adopted that style, especially like

00:29:13 ◼   ► in the headlines and stuff, is that like, let's say I'm reviewing the iPhone eight and

00:29:18 ◼   ► 8 plus. You can't, it's hard to pluralize that just by adding an S because if you just

00:29:25 ◼   ► add an S and just type iPhone space 8 lowercase s. You've suddenly invented the iPhone 8S.

00:29:35 ◼   ► Right exactly. S in particular is hard to do it like that because they've, you know,

00:29:41 ◼   ► in their native never come out with an 8S although maybe that's what they'll call the

00:29:45 ◼   ► that's coming out in March. But there was no 8S. But there could have been. We didn't

00:29:50 ◼   ► know. And there was a 6S and a 5S. And did they have a 7S or no? They just went right

00:29:56 ◼   ► from 7 to 8.

00:29:57 ◼   ► No, they went 7 to 8.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:00 ◼   ► You know, they did have the 10S though. So the iPhone X, the big capital X, you couldn't

00:30:07 ◼   ► pluralize that with an S either because it would look like a 10S which you thought, "Well,

00:30:13 ◼   ► never going to name it that because they're not going to put two letters next to each

00:30:16 ◼   ► other and expect you to say one as a Roman numeral and the other one as a letter. And

00:30:21 ◼   ► so of course they did exactly that. The other thing you could do, and it is against, in

00:30:29 ◼   ► my opinion, I guess, as in all such things, there's no decider in chief, but it is sometimes

00:30:39 ◼   ► there it's a common error. People make the typographical error where they'll use an apostrophe

00:30:43 ◼   ► S to pluralize something when all you had to do is add an S. And it further confuses

00:30:50 ◼   ► people and it's a common typo that everybody makes, myself included, where you type I T

00:30:55 ◼   ► apostrophe S when you mean just I T S and or vice versa. I tried to make I tried to

00:31:02 ◼   ► even coin a term for that years ago. I called it an it so but that didn't really that didn't

00:31:07 ◼   ► catch on nearly as well as Mark down. I've tried two things in my life. I invented a

00:31:13 ◼   ► text formatting language.

00:31:14 ◼   ► I got one. I got nothing.

00:31:16 ◼   ► I tried to make it so a thing. Although every once in a while when I commit and it's so

00:31:22 ◼   ► and and use the wrong it's every once in a while a kind reader will report it to me later

00:31:29 ◼   ► by email or Twitter or something and call it and it's so and then that's when I wish

00:31:34 ◼   ► I had like a button to hit to just send a t-shirt to somebody I would like to send the daring

00:31:37 ◼   ► fireball t-shirt to anybody who calls it and it's so but anyway you could but I am not a fan of the

00:31:44 ◼   ► apostrophe s for plural I'm a fan of it when it's like like how would you spell mind your p's and q's

00:31:51 ◼   ► would you just avoid I would avoid saying that you are you would say I would say it but I wouldn't

00:32:00 ◼   ► and type it. So um, wow. Yeah, I mean, I would I would probably large P small s. Yeah, but

00:32:10 ◼   ► that kind of looks like small Photoshop, you know, but in that instance, it's not iPhones.

00:32:14 ◼   ► So well, like, I don't think anyone's gonna think that I invented the iPhone, even the

00:32:19 ◼   ► stodgy New York Times manual of style and usage, which I have a copy of, and often defer

00:32:25 ◼   ► to when I have a question about such a thing. I believe their policy is that when you're

00:32:30 ◼   ► talking about individual letters or numbers, you pluralize them by adding apostrophe s.

00:32:38 ◼   ► So you could do that, but it isn't great. It doesn't look great.

00:32:42 ◼   ► Jared Ranerelle Yeah, and I know that it's used. I just don't

00:32:46 ◼   ► like it. I'm a stickler for that and the other thing, the "I like…" in a sentence

00:32:54 ◼   ► where you're quoting something, I don't want to put the period inside the quotes.

00:32:58 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I don't like that. Yeah. Unless the period was in the original quoted material.

00:33:02 ◼   ► Yes. So I do that. That's one of those things where it's like, I've been writing Daring

00:33:05 ◼   ► Fireball for long enough where it's like, people have given up on telling me about that.

00:33:11 ◼   ► Like kind, and I do appreciate it. I, so many people, do you get this too? I'm sure you

00:33:16 ◼   ► do. Like it's such a thing online where somehow we as a culture have made it a shameful thing

00:33:23 ◼   ► tell people about their typographic errors or spelling mistakes and

00:33:27 ◼   ► That somehow in the internet that you're not supposed to correct people's mistakes and in some context

00:33:35 ◼   ► Yes, you could definitely see how that's considered rude. Like if you're in like a thread or something like that

00:33:39 ◼   ► You don't just and on Twitter. It's like you can't fix it. So right

00:33:43 ◼   ► Yeah, tell me some telling somebody about a typo is just being mean, right?

00:33:47 ◼   ► But so many times when people report my my spelling errors or typographic mistakes

00:33:52 ◼   ► They begin by apologizing and I always write back if I if I write back, you know, no apology necessary

00:33:57 ◼   ► I love typo reports and I would love to hear about the same one a hundred times then never hear about it at all

00:34:03 ◼   ► Because at all hundred people thought well, I'm sure somebody else

00:34:08 ◼   ► I'm sure it doesn't other people have have told them about it already. You don't respond to Chris Pepper anymore

00:34:13 ◼   ► They do know every once in a while. I have to

00:34:18 ◼   ► He always sends something so it's like I would be spending my entire day responding to Chris Pepper if I responded

00:34:23 ◼   ► Yeah, like my way of thanking him typically is just to fix the mistake

00:34:26 ◼   ► And then everyone's in a while I just break down and I do send him a little heartfelt

00:34:34 ◼   ► Thank you. Just to let him know, you know, like hey, I know I don't thank you every time but good God you catch these fast

00:34:40 ◼   ► Yeah

00:34:42 ◼   ► He is in he's almost always every once in a while

00:34:45 ◼   ► I quibble with something that he sends me and I don't agree with it and I don't change it, but he's usually

00:34:50 ◼   ► Even in those instances, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, even when I did I'm just being yeah, I'm being stubborn

00:34:58 ◼   ► obstinate yeah

00:35:00 ◼   ► So you can't just do well you could use apostrophes but many people would report it as a typo

00:35:07 ◼   ► Even if I did it deliberately, I don't want that email and I don't think it looks good

00:35:10 ◼   ► So I use the QT construction the iPhones 8 and I also like the way that that

00:35:16 ◼   ► When I say it though typically what I mean is both sizes so if I say the

00:35:23 ◼   ► the iPhones 11 well the iPhone 11 is a little bit even tougher because then it sort of

00:35:30 ◼   ► Encompasses both the regular iPhone 11 and the 11 Pro and the 11 Pro

00:35:35 ◼   ► max

00:35:37 ◼   ► So you could say the iPhones 11 Pro just to mean the pro and pro max

00:35:41 ◼   ► It's a I don't know

00:35:42 ◼   ► But anyway, you can tie yourself up in a knot very easily Apple goes out of its way often to avoid

00:35:47 ◼   ► Pluralizing I saw in one of the footnotes for the air pods Pro

00:35:53 ◼   ► They had a footnote they like when they talk about battery life. They always include a footnote to talk about their

00:35:58 ◼   ► methodology

00:36:01 ◼   ► And they said in the footnote that they tested them using

00:36:06 ◼   ► iPhone 11 Pro Max units, which is the sort of thing that they're probably like one half

00:36:16 ◼   ► of one. I'm not gonna even read the footnote. So you're already in like 1% territory. But

00:36:22 ◼   ► whoever it is out there at Apple who who coined that phrase, I know that whoever it was thought

00:36:27 ◼   ► very long and hard about it. Because they know they couldn't say iPhone, they used more

00:36:32 ◼   ► than one, you know, they were testing. It wasn't like, hey, let's figure out the battery

00:36:37 ◼   ► life for these things. We'll test them with one iPhone. Right. So they use several iPhone

00:36:43 ◼   ► 11 Pro Maxes, but they can't call them iPhone 11 Pro Maxes because Apple won't pluralize

00:36:48 ◼   ► it that way. So they call them units. They also can't call them phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:36:54 ◼   ► I do that. I shove another word in there. Yeah. And once you've once you've it's the

00:37:01 ◼   ► sort of thing where like you and I run into it because we're writing about this stuff

00:37:04 ◼   ► all the time and hopefully the people reading it don't notice it but then one it's one of

00:37:08 ◼   ► those things where when you're inside baseball just to go back to the baseball you notice

00:37:14 ◼   ► it in other people's sentences and footnotes and you're like oh I see what you had to do

00:37:20 ◼   ► there yeah it's one of those things where you and you don't you sympathize it's like

00:37:23 ◼   ► the way that writers always sympathize with each other because you know that whoever wrote

00:37:27 ◼   ► that got stuck there. Like that wasn't something that that wasn't when the juices were flowing.

00:37:34 ◼   ► That is like you stop, you take your hands off the keyboard and you really start thinking

00:37:38 ◼   ► about this and you start weighing your options. Do I call them devices? Do I call them units?

00:37:44 ◼   ► Anyway still haven't talked about the actual airpods.

00:37:48 ◼   ► I will often just re completely rephrase a sentence in order to avoid a tricky.

00:37:53 ◼   ► Yep, yep, yep.

00:37:54 ◼   ► - Chromatical conundrum.

00:37:57 ◼   ► - And sometimes you can tell that a sentence was,

00:38:01 ◼   ► you know, you're like, you know,

00:38:02 ◼   ► this isn't the most obvious way

00:38:03 ◼   ► to put this sentence together.

00:38:04 ◼   ► So, you know, you could tell when a sentence

00:38:07 ◼   ► was jiggered around just to get out of a plural.

00:38:11 ◼   ► But, so anyway, these things were rumored all year.

00:38:17 ◼   ► I think, you know, people have been talking about these,

00:38:20 ◼   ► say I don't know how they leaked,

00:38:21 ◼   ► but they, you know, obviously they leaked in advance.

00:38:23 ◼   ► fact that they're noise canceling and that they would be you know yeah the

00:38:28 ◼   ► pictures leaked you know the little diagram of them drawing of them leaked a

00:38:33 ◼   ► couple months ago or something yeah and I think the case leaked too and it is a

00:38:37 ◼   ► weird-looking case it is sort of like well not weird I haven't seen one in

00:38:42 ◼   ► person yet obviously but although they're having press briefings tomorrow

00:38:47 ◼   ► which I think I'm allowed to say I'm going up to New York tomorrow so that's

00:38:50 ◼   ► on Tuesday and they're doing press briefings but I didn't even find out about this till

00:38:55 ◼   ► Sunday night. It's like that's how snap of the fingers this whole thing was. It was like

00:39:02 ◼   ► Sunday night, John, are you free on Tuesday afternoon? We have a new product announcement

00:39:06 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden I wake up Monday morning and the AirPods are out. So the case

00:39:12 ◼   ► is like squatter. It's because the new AirPod Pro pods…

00:39:18 ◼   ► That worked out really well. Yeah, that's the difference between podcasting

00:39:24 ◼   ► and writing. The actual buds you put in your ear…

00:39:27 ◼   ► Just get back up and edit that. In addition to the fact that they have like

00:39:31 ◼   ► a rubber tip, or not even like a rubber tip, they have rubber tips. What would you call

00:39:37 ◼   ► the rod that comes down out of your ear is significantly shorter than the existing AirPod

00:39:44 ◼   ► buds. So they could make the case a little shorter, but they also had to make the case

00:39:50 ◼   ► wider, sort of like, you know, sort of reminds me of the fat nano, the way that, you remember

00:39:55 ◼   ► the old fat nano?

00:39:56 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, sure.

00:39:57 ◼   ► - You know, it's a sort of squatter case because these buds with, you know, the buds are bigger

00:40:04 ◼   ► because they go into your ear. So that case had to be wire.

00:40:07 ◼   ► **Matt Stauffer:** It's interesting that it's, but it has more volume though.

00:40:11 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah. Because these are headphones, I should be clear about what I'm saying is that

00:40:17 ◼   ► the case volume wise is larger than the previous generation of AirPods.

00:40:24 ◼   ► **Ezra Klein:** So what, I don't know, what do you think about?

00:40:32 ◼   ► Well, the colors are fantastic, aren't you? Don't you think? I made fun I don't know if you caught

00:40:37 ◼   ► up on there. I right before I did. That's why I mentioned it. I did think I was like, didn't I

00:40:43 ◼   ► just read it like over the weekend? And in fact, it was over the weekend. There was some Chinese

00:40:48 ◼   ► language source and you know, like, I hope it doesn't come across that I'm slagging on Mac

00:40:53 ◼   ► rumors, Mac rumors by the you know, the part of the original idea for the whole site was that they

00:40:58 ◼   ► would just publish all the rumors that come across, you know, and point you know, link to all the

00:41:02 ◼   ► the rumors they're not vouching for it they're just saying the Chinese language

00:41:06 ◼   ► site said they were gonna come in eight colors and then there was I guess that I

00:41:11 ◼   ► don't know that seemed ridiculous that and they even said that there might be

00:41:14 ◼   ► some translation issues here because it was originally in written in Chinese but

00:41:18 ◼   ► they definitely seemed to suggest that there would be black you know ones to

00:41:22 ◼   ► match all the iPhone colors or at least the iPhone Pro colors so there'd be like

00:41:25 ◼   ► a like a gold tope sort of thing gold doesn't really translate to plastic very

00:41:32 ◼   ► well. So that seemed like a red flag to me over the weekend that yeah, this doesn't seem right.

00:41:36 ◼   ► Black seems like the obvious choice for a second color of airplay.

00:41:40 ◼   ► Yeah. And they've that has been rumored for quite some time.

00:41:44 ◼   ► Right. And it just has never arrived. Just an awful lot of people just like the color black.

00:41:50 ◼   ► I think an awful lot of people would prefer that they're they'd be slightly less conspicuous.

00:41:57 ◼   ► You know, it's it's yes. I mean, yeah, I agree with people who say that air pods look goofy

00:42:02 ◼   ► They I think they do look goofy. I think they're a terrific device, but they look goofy in your ears

00:42:07 ◼   ► I see I don't see that I was just talking as I forget who was on the show recently

00:42:11 ◼   ► I have never understood that because they look exactly like the

00:42:15 ◼   ► classic wired earbuds that Apple's I think I'm missing the wires is

00:42:19 ◼   ► Makes them look odd, but doesn't it seem like it's the opposite like taking away the like a little cigarette buds sticking out

00:42:26 ◼   ► But sticking out of your ear. Yeah, but right dear you're old enough. I mean you do you remember when TV remote controls were wired? Oh

00:42:33 ◼   ► Yeah, they there was only like a very brief period of time my family never even owned one, but my uncle I still have that

00:42:40 ◼   ► You don't lose the remote

00:42:46 ◼   ► For decades for those of you don't who never lived through it

00:42:51 ◼   ► The only way to change the channel on a TV was to go up to the TV and turn a dial

00:42:55 ◼   ► Is that a real dial and they're gonna mention and there are always I don't know why this was there were always two dials and the

00:43:02 ◼   ► Second dial didn't do anything and it had a lot more

00:43:04 ◼   ► UHF right

00:43:08 ◼   ► Bevin it never worked it for me

00:43:10 ◼   ► It depended it depend on where you were. I mean every once in a while if you were in in a major metropolitan area

00:43:17 ◼   ► I think you could get a UHF station. So you'd move the the top dial to the UHF setting, right?

00:43:23 ◼   ► Which would produce static. And then the bottom one,

00:43:25 ◼   ► instead of being like having that clicky turn thing, would just be like sort of freeform like a volume

00:43:32 ◼   ► dial and then you'd you know, you'd get

00:43:34 ◼   ► the local community college or whatever.

00:43:38 ◼   ► Yeah. You'd get between two ferns from...

00:43:43 ◼   ► But that was how you had 68 you literally had to get up and go to the TV and turn a dial to change the channel

00:43:49 ◼   ► I remember playing with the UHF thing because I I would get hopelessly bored

00:43:54 ◼   ► Because it would be like, you know, yeah the same 11 channels and every day, you know

00:43:59 ◼   ► I'm watching you know, what sheckle and heckle and sheckle again your homesick and are you gonna watch heckle and sheckle again?

00:44:04 ◼   ► No, right. It's another episode of McHale's Navy

00:44:12 ◼   ► You know, there was a character named Gruber on on McHale's Navy. No, I did not remember that

00:44:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it was not it was sort of a second tier character. It wasn't it wasn't Ernest Borg 9

00:44:21 ◼   ► Yeah, like the commandant but one of the one of the one of the guys and McHale's crew was named Gruber and I believe

00:44:28 ◼   ► Inside inside family baseball, I don't I don't believe he had another name

00:44:36 ◼   ► He was only referred to by his last name and whereas the other characters on the show either had first names or Nick

00:44:42 ◼   ► names or something. And it's my belief that there's something inherent about the surname

00:44:48 ◼   ► Gruber that lends itself to people being referred to as Gruber. Like, I've talked to this

00:44:53 ◼   ► with my cousins on my dad's side, and all three—there are three boys, and well, they're

00:45:00 ◼   ► grown men now—but all of them were referred to as Gruber by their pals. And I think there's

00:45:07 ◼   ► inherent to it. But anyway, that's This Week in Famous Groupers.

00:45:11 ◼   ► You need a jingle for that.

00:45:15 ◼   ► We could just borrow the "McKell's Navy" theme song.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Yeah, sure. At this point, why not?

00:45:21 ◼   ► Anyway, I'd get hopelessly bored and I'd think, "Let me try those extra channels again." And I'd

00:45:25 ◼   ► go to the UHF and I'd start twisting and nothing. Absolutely nothing. But then another month would

00:45:31 ◼   ► go by and I'd try it again. Anyway. Yeah, but you had to—it was a combination thing, right? It was

00:45:36 ◼   ► like a magic spell because you had to move the dial and you also had to move the antenna.

00:45:41 ◼   ► And that wasn't gonna happen.

00:45:43 ◼   ► So we have not had cable in the house in, my god, a long time. Eight years probably, at least.

00:45:55 ◼   ► And my father-in-law is now living with us and has wanted to watch some sporting events, which

00:46:03 ◼   ► like I said, I've been avoiding because my favorite team is not very good. And so we've had to

00:46:10 ◼   ► figure out a way to watch some of these sporting events. And we have an antenna. We have a digital

00:46:17 ◼   ► antenna. And so I have recently been reintroduced to the process of having to reposition the aerial

00:46:24 ◼   ► in order to pick up the stations. Yeah. It's quite nostalgic and really super annoying.

00:46:32 ◼   ► I was the sort of kid who would mess with stuff I wasn't supposed to mess with if I thought I could

00:46:40 ◼   ► figure it out, but dealing with the antenna was never even tempting because my parents' home

00:46:45 ◼   ► has like an almost bizarrely sloped roof. Like, who thought that was a good... I don't see how

00:46:54 ◼   ► anybody ever went up there and did any roofing work without sliding right off to their death.

00:47:00 ◼   ► So that was it that would be you had an antenna on the roof. We had an antenna on the roof

00:47:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I think growing up. That's what I had to but this is this is just like a thing

00:47:07 ◼   ► You know connected by a cable to the TV to the HDTV, right?

00:47:11 ◼   ► No, we had it up on the roof and and there were times like I could maybe it it, you know

00:47:17 ◼   ► Just like in pop culture

00:47:19 ◼   ► History like we're all of a sudden we wouldn't get any channels and maybe like a storm

00:47:22 ◼   ► Blew it off or I guess it never blew off

00:47:25 ◼   ► but but you know something and

00:47:27 ◼   ► And my dad would have to go up there once in a while to just it and it was always it

00:47:32 ◼   ► was always a real, a real, a real production because my mom would be yelling at him that

00:47:39 ◼   ► he's going to kill himself.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Don't be careful.

00:47:45 ◼   ► If you like, yeah, just if you remember going to war, if you remember George Costanza's

00:47:50 ◼   ► parents and Seinfeld, that's really very close to my parents relationship.

00:47:56 ◼   ► And it's like, my dad is a very genial, one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. Everybody

00:48:05 ◼   ► who knows him loves him. He truly is a very, much more so than me, a very kind, friendly

00:48:14 ◼   ► human being. But he could get, you know, as a younger man, he had more of a temper. And,

00:48:20 ◼   ► you know, nobody, nobody who has to get up on a roof to do anything when you're the,

00:48:24 ◼   ► Yeah, nobody's in a good mood if you have to get up on the roof. Yeah, so he's already in a bad mood

00:48:29 ◼   ► Sure, it didn't happen all the time. But then there's my mom yelling at him Bob. You're gonna kill yourself

00:48:34 ◼   ► Very helpful, right

00:48:38 ◼   ► Or she'd you know, he'd want to fix it because he wants to watch TV right now

00:48:42 ◼   ► And she'd be like wait till tomorrow in the daytime. You'll see at night

00:48:46 ◼   ► But he you know, he's a man he wants to watch TV right now. So he's gonna go fix it

00:48:52 ◼   ► So anyway, they invented everybody realized that getting up walking across the room and flipping a dial by on the TV set was you know

00:48:59 ◼   ► Terrible everybody could imagine wouldn't it be great if we could change channels from right here. Well the first remote controls

00:49:04 ◼   ► Were were wired

00:49:07 ◼   ► There'd be a wire going from your TV over. Yeah long cable running from the TV to your couch. Yeah

00:49:12 ◼   ► I'm sure nobody ever tripped over it

00:49:14 ◼   ► You know, yeah my grant my grandfather had one like that

00:49:20 ◼   ► What an invention that's what we didn't we didn't have one we never had one like that

00:49:23 ◼   ► But I'm trying to remember if we even I don't even think we had a no actually no we did

00:49:29 ◼   ► Yeah, we had a black and white with a with a channel changer and the way that it worked

00:49:33 ◼   ► It would literally, you know, of course, it would literally change the dial. It would move the diet had

00:49:38 ◼   ► You know, you hit this button like this could junk this big metal thing and it would send an IR signal

00:49:44 ◼   ► And I'm assuming it was I think it was IR

00:49:47 ◼   ► Yeah, but I don't you know, maybe we're all getting like hand cancer and it would

00:49:52 ◼   ► physically move the the dial on the TV I

00:49:56 ◼   ► Guess I would have to yeah. Yeah, because otherwise it would be on the wrong station

00:50:02 ◼   ► Yeah, and the dial actually like changed the frequency that it was listening to yeah

00:50:06 ◼   ► Because it was a real day that TV had a real dial

00:50:09 ◼   ► I mean, I think a lot of them had like push buttons and then like a like a you know

00:50:14 ◼   ► Like a clock counter sort of thing. Yep

00:50:17 ◼   ► Yeah, that station for what station it was on. Yeah, and I remember my uncle had a remote control at one point

00:50:22 ◼   ► That was wireless and but it had buttons that like kinda they were like radio buttons

00:50:26 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, you know what? I mean?

00:50:28 ◼   ► So if you were on channel eight, like it wasn't like you would type in eight, you know

00:50:32 ◼   ► Cuz they still were only 13 channels. Yeah, they just had a button for each channel and when you pressed

00:50:37 ◼   ► Channel eight if you were had been watching channel six six would

00:50:42 ◼   ► depress when you pressed eight

00:50:45 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, people don't even remember radio buttons anymore

00:50:48 ◼   ► I have a bit of a quandary because I need to I want to set up my father-in-law

00:50:53 ◼   ► To have a TV in his in his room and be able to watch stuff like through the Apple TV on his own

00:51:00 ◼   ► But I know there's no way he's gonna be able to use the that remote. All right

00:51:03 ◼   ► So, I guess I'm gonna I think the best solution is the harmony

00:51:13 ◼   ► but I'm also like I'm also thinking about using getting out just like a a

00:51:17 ◼   ► Controller game controller. Yeah, maybe I'm not sure if that will do everything

00:51:23 ◼   ► I've never even thought about that

00:51:25 ◼   ► Like maybe just I know that you can do it

00:51:27 ◼   ► But just using it just buying another remote and putting my Apple TV remote and in the drawer

00:51:33 ◼   ► Is that the sort of thing I don't want to pry in your family life John, but is that the sort of thing where

00:51:41 ◼   ► This was something you dreaded I would imagine dreading it if my father-in-law

00:51:45 ◼   ► Moved and I got along very well with with both my father and mother-in-law to be honest

00:51:50 ◼   ► I one of the things that's very fortunate about my life is

00:51:53 ◼   ► Amy's mom and dad

00:51:56 ◼   ► Both seemed to seem to like me quite a bit

00:51:59 ◼   ► Good relationship with both, but if he moved in and I had to explain to him that I don't get

00:52:07 ◼   ► I don't get it. I think he's a little he's a little put off by that, you know, he's very easygoing

00:52:14 ◼   ► I mean, you know, I make dinner and anything that I make he's just like oh, this is fantastic

00:52:18 ◼   ► So it's been it's been actually very nice and he has taught he used to be I think I've did I explain this on this show

00:52:25 ◼   ► I've explained it on several other shows, but he was a grand. He was a well not a grandmaster. He was a chess master and in

00:52:33 ◼   ► 1962 or something beat Bobby Fischer get the hell out. I never heard this. Yeah get the hell out of here

00:52:39 ◼   ► Yeah, it was one of those games where Fischer was going around playing like 10 different people at the same time

00:52:43 ◼   ► but he

00:52:45 ◼   ► So he made his move and Fischer came back around and looked at the board and just knocked his king over

00:52:49 ◼   ► It's like Wow, that's and he said he had to run after him to get him to sign the card

00:52:54 ◼   ► Just like Fisher moved on he was like now

00:52:59 ◼   ► You lose some you're not getting away from this so easily there. Yeah, right, right

00:53:02 ◼   ► You gotta sign this card and he's noted in some some book someplace or and it's one of those, you know with chess

00:53:07 ◼   ► It's like you can practically go back and see every single game

00:53:10 ◼   ► But there's a site someplace where you can see the moves of the yeah of the game

00:53:13 ◼   ► It's fantastic. Anyway, he don't he's been very

00:53:16 ◼   ► very congenial about the whole thing and

00:53:19 ◼   ► But but I think I think there was an expression of his face, you know, we're like we don't have cable

00:53:26 ◼   ► It was like, "What the hell?

00:53:28 ◼   ► Like, you have every other electronic device in this house and you don't have cable?

00:53:32 ◼   ► What is going on here?"

00:53:34 ◼   ► It was like, you know, it was like we said we were Mennonites or something.

00:53:39 ◼   ► Right.

00:53:40 ◼   ► You've got more iPhones than you have people in the house.

00:53:44 ◼   ► Way more.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Right.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Way more.

00:53:47 ◼   ► But somehow you don't have cable.

00:53:48 ◼   ► Like, I feel like I could explain to my dad or to my father-in-law that we don't have

00:53:52 ◼   ► a landline.

00:53:53 ◼   ► My dad knows that we don't.

00:53:54 ◼   ► We in my house do not have a landline phone service.

00:53:59 ◼   ► And the jump to everybody just has their own cell phone and their own number and you just

00:54:06 ◼   ► call that way.

00:54:09 ◼   ► My dad, in fact, does not have a cell phone.

00:54:11 ◼   ► My mom does.

00:54:12 ◼   ► My dad doesn't because he probably would use it, but he just doesn't want to pay

00:54:21 ◼   ► for it.

00:54:22 ◼   ► But, you know, if he had to move in and we told him, "Here, just take this," and

00:54:30 ◼   ► now you have a cell phone, that's your phone number, he could get it.

00:54:32 ◼   ► And he uses an iPad so he'd get the interface.

00:54:36 ◼   ► The basic concepts are kind of the same, right?

00:54:39 ◼   ► You have a number, you dial the number, and then that phone rings and if the other person

00:54:46 ◼   ► picks up, then you talk.

00:54:48 ◼   ► So the landline experience and the cell phone only experience are pretty comparable.

00:54:52 ◼   ► not having cable TV is sort of a, you got to explain it. Again, I

00:54:59 ◼   ► wouldn't be that I would dread it because I would think, ah, no,

00:55:02 ◼   ► you know, my father in law hates me anymore, even more. I just

00:55:05 ◼   ► wouldn't look forward to explaining it. Right? Yeah, I

00:55:09 ◼   ► feel like people of that generation expect you to be able

00:55:12 ◼   ► to turn a TV on. And with a particularly bad when you're

00:55:15 ◼   ► explaining it, you know, as a game is starting.

00:55:22 ◼   ► Let's watch the football game. Oh, we can't watch the football game because we refuse to pay for cable

00:55:28 ◼   ► Instead I'm gonna pay for

00:55:31 ◼   ► 27 different streaming services. Do you have any of those things?

00:55:35 ◼   ► You don't have it you say you don't have the sort of thing like a YouTube TV or the PlayStation

00:55:41 ◼   ► View, I think they call it where you get like it's sort of like getting

00:55:46 ◼   ► Cable service, you know, you get like a bunch of not looked into the PlayStation thing

00:55:51 ◼   ► I would I

00:55:53 ◼   ► Probably wouldn't buy a YouTube streaming service

00:55:58 ◼   ► I

00:56:00 ◼   ► Mean I've seen that they have TV they have a TV thing, but I consider that sort of like buying cable

00:56:05 ◼   ► So it is it you know and you might save some money

00:56:09 ◼   ► It's but it still is. Yeah, it's just it

00:56:14 ◼   ► Hopefully it's you know helping overall just because it's sort of breaking the monopoly of local cable companies

00:56:21 ◼   ► that you have an option but yeah well in here in Tacoma we have a local we have

00:56:27 ◼   ► the town has cable hmm at least for the time being there they're actually it's

00:56:31 ◼   ► going through this whole reorganization thing which is I don't want to go into

00:56:35 ◼   ► at this point but the town set of cable so we get internet through the town and

00:56:39 ◼   ► you can also get TV and and that's just through that you you like right it's

00:56:44 ◼   ► like the like paying your water bill sort of it's a different you don't pay

00:56:49 ◼   ► it at the same time you don't pay it at the same but you're not paying it to a

00:56:51 ◼   ► for-profit corporation right yes somehow the internet with the internet part they

00:56:57 ◼   ► contract out to two different right now it's just two different I think when

00:57:01 ◼   ► they started out it was more but now it's gone down to two and I think

00:57:04 ◼   ► they're actually gonna go down to one and a lot of people are concerned that

00:57:08 ◼   ► it's eventually just gonna lead them to selling the cable business I'm laughing

00:57:15 ◼   ► because I live in Philadelphia. Literally, it's Capletown. Forget it, John, it's Capletown.

00:57:24 ◼   ► The odds of the city of Philadelphia ever providing Broadway. And I know Comcast, for

00:57:34 ◼   ► those of you who don't know, Comcast, which is a giant media conglomerate that owns way

00:57:40 ◼   ► more other media conglomerates than you can even keep track of. They probably just bought

00:57:45 ◼   ► another thing while we're talking. But they own, among other things, all of NBC. They

00:57:51 ◼   ► own Universal. I guess they call it NBC Universal now. But it's all owned by Comcast.

00:57:57 ◼   ► What I'm feeling particularly, I don't know, loathsome or in a bad mood or whatever,

00:58:04 ◼   ► I remind people that Gritty is owned by Comcast.

00:58:08 ◼   ► Is he? Because they own the Flyer?

00:58:10 ◼   ► because they own the team right all right i think yeah i'm pretty sure they own that team

00:58:15 ◼   ► and everybody loves gritty and i love gritty too but you know sorry he's a registered trademark

00:58:22 ◼   ► of the comcast corporation well and it's and it it's pretty you know to go back to baseball they

00:58:29 ◼   ► they don't own the phillies but they own the phillies tv rights uh and so so if you ever

00:58:36 ◼   ► wonder why you can't watch your local team on the MLB at bat app it's because

00:58:42 ◼   ► that situation is it's not true in every city but it's true in a lot of cities

00:58:46 ◼   ► where the the the people who have a say in whether or not they would be allowed

00:58:51 ◼   ► to watch your local team in this app on stream over the internet which you would

00:58:56 ◼   ► pay for is it's determined by the cable company which requires you to have a

00:59:02 ◼   ► a cable subscription to do it. The thing that doesn't make sense about it is of course

00:59:08 ◼   ► everybody knows baseball telecasts have ads between the innings. It's really sort of

00:59:12 ◼   ► a – it's like the only sport where the ads are actually – the ad breaks are actually

00:59:17 ◼   ► natural and they kind of extend them in the playoffs. But in the regular season, it doesn't

00:59:24 ◼   ► delay the game at all. It's one of the beautiful things about televised baseball. But they

00:59:32 ◼   ► They don't even do that. They don't even show the ads because they don't really care about the ads.

00:59:35 ◼   ► They just want to make sure everybody who cares about baseball in Philadelphia has a cable subscription.

00:59:39 ◼   ► Right.

00:59:41 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:59:43 ◼   ► Look out for number one.

00:59:45 ◼   ► This is an all-time great digression on this podcast because this is all related to whether or not AirPods look silly with or without wires.

00:59:53 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:59:55 ◼   ► I was trying to remember how we got into this and I couldn't.

00:59:58 ◼   ► I'm usually the first one to forget how a digression started, but I've somehow still had this in mind and

01:00:04 ◼   ► And I've been trying to tie it together with some kind of joke about cord cutters cable cutters. What do they call them?

01:00:10 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, sure because you get this you and I always wonder like are there anybody is there anybody out there?

01:00:15 ◼   ► I have always wondered this and this is why I've been wanting to make this observation for 10 minutes now is

01:00:20 ◼   ► You know that the way that air pods have become this

01:00:25 ◼   ► status symbol for some bizarre people, you know that you're you know,

01:00:29 ◼   ► you're somehow showing off if you have AirPods and that it's a sign that you're cool or whatever,

01:00:34 ◼   ► which is very alien to me. And I just wonder how many people there's got to be some people who've done it

01:00:40 ◼   ► I mean like teenagers or something who've just taken like the old AirPods and cut cords

01:00:45 ◼   ► Yeah, and then like made it look like they have AirPods

01:00:47 ◼   ► Which obviously wouldn't work at all. So they've just got them in there. It's like Merlin holding his wallet up to his ear

01:00:54 ◼   ► Pretty much exactly except harder to tell

01:00:57 ◼   ► Right, at least if you'd see Merlin holding his wallet up to his ear if you really look at it

01:01:02 ◼   ► You're gonna see that that's a that's a wallet

01:01:04 ◼   ► Whereas

01:01:07 ◼   ► You'd notice I mean you'd have to get really close but you'd have to get really uncomfortably close

01:01:13 ◼   ► What are you doing, oh, sorry, I just want to see I'm on the phone I'm on the phone

01:01:21 ◼   ► But you could you imagine going up to somebody really close to the ear and they're like, what are you doing?

01:01:25 ◼   ► And then you had to tell them I just wanted to see if you really had air pods or if you just cut the cords

01:01:31 ◼   ► off an old pair of

01:01:32 ◼   ► Well, so the new ones it'll be easier to tell. Yeah, they do look a little different

01:01:36 ◼   ► They won't like they don't like anything. I mean, you know, they look quite a bit not like the the ear pods

01:01:41 ◼   ► Do you have air pods? Oh, yeah

01:01:45 ◼   ► I saw I have to I still have my original ones and I have the second generation

01:01:49 ◼   ► One of the things that blew me away today was Dan Morin

01:01:52 ◼   ► Mutual friend it's co-host of what how many podcasts you do with Dan?

01:01:58 ◼   ► I do to that's all rebound and Biff

01:02:03 ◼   ► Biff is the one you guys talk about superheroes. Yes, is that is guy English on that? Okay, the guy English is on yes

01:02:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I

01:02:13 ◼   ► Missed guy English

01:02:15 ◼   ► You just saw guy English I didn't he was that is true he was

01:02:19 ◼   ► He did come in

01:02:22 ◼   ► Go out to dinner with me and my wife about a week and a half ago

01:02:25 ◼   ► We did delightful time took with the hospital more recently

01:02:30 ◼   ► I mean I talked to him every week, but you've seen him more recently than I have yeah

01:02:33 ◼   ► I took him to hop sing he had a great time

01:02:35 ◼   ► Where what the hell now now I've lost the thread

01:02:42 ◼   ► You're gonna talk about Dan's weird ears. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, so Dan had been a hero today that he

01:02:48 ◼   ► was really looking forward to the

01:02:51 ◼   ► the three sizes of

01:02:53 ◼   ► little rubber tips

01:02:55 ◼   ► Because he heretofore had still not purchased air pods

01:03:00 ◼   ► Which I found very you know, but he may it you say it's it's because he has unusual ears or something

01:03:07 ◼   ► Well, so this is the thing about air pods is that there's half the world thinks the other half's

01:03:13 ◼   ► Ears are weird and the other half thinks that has ears are weird because they either either fits you or they don't fit you and

01:03:21 ◼   ► They fit me great and earbuds have always fit me really well. Yeah, and I've always I've always liked earpods

01:03:27 ◼   ► Fine, you know as far as wired headphones go and I'm not like super audio quality

01:03:33 ◼   ► Concerned yeah, I'm only mildly audio quality concerned and

01:03:37 ◼   ► When I got air pods that was like this is perfect. Yeah

01:03:41 ◼   ► But they don't they don't work for him because he's his ears are different and there's a lot of people like that

01:03:46 ◼   ► Yeah, I know Marco Arment has never really been happy with any kind. Yeah, it's just it has to do

01:03:52 ◼   ► It's just you know just a shape shape. Yeah, I remember I remember when they when they debuted air pods

01:03:56 ◼   ► I believe it was in the Johnny I've narrated video that he talked about the fact that they spent

01:04:02 ◼   ► some gazillion dollars, you know 3d modeling the inner shape of

01:04:07 ◼   ► thousands of people's ears of multiple

01:04:11 ◼   ► You know

01:04:13 ◼   ► not dance

01:04:14 ◼   ► women men and children and young people and old people and you know also as many years as they could scan that they scanned them and

01:04:21 ◼   ► Tried to find this shape that was

01:04:23 ◼   ► would fit as many of them comfortably as possible and I remember then getting them and

01:04:29 ◼   ► Then looking at them and looking at the old wire

01:04:33 ◼   ► Ones right next to them and really I mean you get really really close to him

01:04:36 ◼   ► I couldn't see a damn bit of difference in the shape of the thing that goes in your ear

01:04:40 ◼   ► But I know of several people. I I can't name them off the top of my head. So call fake news if you want, but I

01:04:47 ◼   ► Maybe jow kit. I forget Daniel jow kit friend of the show

01:04:51 ◼   ► I

01:04:53 ◼   ► Could be somebody else but I know a couple people who?

01:04:56 ◼   ► who claim that the old wired ones never fit them right, would always be falling out.

01:05:00 ◼   ► And that they therefore were terrified to buy AirPods because they assumed they would fall

01:05:05 ◼   ► out as well. And when, you know, obviously AirPods falling out are A, more expensive,

01:05:10 ◼   ► and B, they're wireless, you know, they could go anywhere, right? Whereas a wired one falling out,

01:05:15 ◼   ► while it's still just dangling connected to the to the cord. But who then tried AirPods,

01:05:21 ◼   ► I get an Apple store or something and lo and behold they actually fit so there is some difference

01:05:26 ◼   ► I don't know. It's like somehow because it's just

01:05:28 ◼   ► Just it is just the cord, right?

01:05:31 ◼   ► Right that the cord actually weighs down the in your ear and pulls it out

01:05:37 ◼   ► But they claimed I do remember Apple claiming that they 3d modeled it on some kind of

01:05:42 ◼   ► You know to some kind of way to find the shape that fit as many ears as possible

01:05:47 ◼   ► But even so that doesn't fit all ears. Yeah, my concern is that Apple will now switch to this design

01:05:52 ◼   ► Which I don't like because I never liked the ones that are like plugs in your ears. Yeah

01:05:56 ◼   ► I've never I've had a number of those and they've never worked well for me and

01:06:00 ◼   ► Even when I get noise cancelling ones, I have to get the over the ear style because I can't deal with those

01:06:06 ◼   ► I had so I so I you know much much as they have gone to large phones against my wishes. I

01:06:14 ◼   ► Have a slight concern that they're gonna go to your plug type

01:06:17 ◼   ► Air pods and I forget if they're noise cancelling or not

01:06:22 ◼   ► Or if it's just the fact that they plug your ear, but I think they were noise cancelling

01:06:27 ◼   ► I had a pair of sure in ear

01:06:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I had those and maybe you got them when I were no I think they were noise cancelling

01:06:36 ◼   ► I think they were too and I got them in the goodie bag for being a speaker at Mac World Expo

01:06:43 ◼   ► I think that's where I got him too. And I

01:06:45 ◼   ► Think we're in the little like round case. Yeah. Yep, and they were black. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, so we got gray but anyway

01:06:53 ◼   ► Well, I don't know dark. Yeah

01:06:55 ◼   ► And I remember getting them and there's all sorts of stuff in that goodie bag. It was it wasn't really quite a racket

01:07:01 ◼   ► I mean that was really that was that was the time that was of the brief the brief moment in time that I

01:07:06 ◼   ► Caught that wave and then and then it went away

01:07:09 ◼   ► I mean hey that shows how long ago was because macworld Expo feels like feels like I was a kid when I went to macworld Expo

01:07:16 ◼   ► you

01:07:18 ◼   ► But I went there. I did a couple of times. I spoke I remember the one time

01:07:22 ◼   ► I did it was a really good talk

01:07:23 ◼   ► It was like and it was gonna become like an annual tradition. It was like Gruber's list

01:07:26 ◼   ► It was like my top ten issues surrounding Apple. I mean and

01:07:29 ◼   ► Specifically I think number two. I didn't want to make it number one, but it was like

01:07:33 ◼   ► Because it just seemed to I didn't know how to fit it in so I think I put it in like number two or number

01:07:39 ◼   ► number three was like Steve Jobs's health, you know, that he's singularly important to

01:07:44 ◼   ► the company. Yeah. Yeah. Just so that, you know, that just tells you how, how long ago

01:07:50 ◼   ► it was that it was, it was not just when Steve Jobs was around, but when it was still sort

01:07:54 ◼   ► of a well, what if something happened to Steve Jobs? But anyway, the goodie bag included

01:07:59 ◼   ► all this other I don't who knows how much other stuff but they had these sure. ear pods,

01:08:05 ◼   ► buds, whatever you want to call them. They're noise canceling. And I like was like, I'm

01:08:10 ◼   ► not gonna like those. I hate that anything that goes in my ear, but I guess I'll try

01:08:13 ◼   ► them and I like Google does I wonder how much these are. I bet they're like 80 or 90 bucks

01:08:17 ◼   ► and I like Google them and they were like $300 or something. I was like, holy hell,

01:08:23 ◼   ► like I better double check before I throw any of this stuff out. This is amazing. They

01:08:26 ◼   ► were like $300 headphones. And I wound up loving them. I date I never liked things that

01:08:33 ◼   ► go in my ear like that and it sealed up, but these Shores really did.

01:08:38 ◼   ► Yeah I tried those for a while and they didn't work well enough for me. So I gave them to

01:08:42 ◼   ► Karen and she enjoyed them but it didn't work for me.

01:08:45 ◼   ► That was one of the ones that I referenced today. That was one of the ones I've had,

01:08:49 ◼   ► but I've had a few others in the years since where there were earbuds that had multiple

01:08:54 ◼   ► options for the rubber part that would go in your ear. And with the Shore ones, I was

01:08:58 ◼   ► like, oh, and the Shure ones weren't just three sizes. They were like, like, you had

01:09:03 ◼   ► like, yeah, there's like six of them. And they had their own case, different types of

01:09:07 ◼   ► material. Yeah, different types of material, very different shapes. They even had it was

01:09:10 ◼   ► like, there was a case for the headphones. And there was like a case for the extra nubbins

01:09:16 ◼   ► or whatever you call it. Yeah. I just put the ones I was like, I don't even know where

01:09:20 ◼   ► to start. This seems like a lot of work. And this is the sort of thing that's going to

01:09:23 ◼   ► drive me nuts. This is this is where I'm not going to say I'm OCD. But this is where I'm

01:09:28 ◼   ► on the spectrum of OCD is it's like indecisiveness, right? Like, I'm gonna it's gonna torment me for

01:09:34 ◼   ► the rest of my life that I maybe picked the wrong ones, but I put this put the default ones in my

01:09:39 ◼   ► ear. I was like, huh, these sound these are a more comfortable than I thought. And then I was like,

01:09:43 ◼   ► these are really comfortable. And I kind of liked them. And so I never even tried the other ones

01:09:47 ◼   ► because I was like, I was afraid to. But I wound up I use those as my airplane headphones for years

01:09:54 ◼   ► and years and years and really always enjoyed them and I forget why I guess I gave them up I gave them

01:10:01 ◼   ► up to get want to go wireless a couple years ago because it's a little known fact but people a lot

01:10:08 ◼   ► of people most people didn't notice but the the iphone got rid of the headphone jack are you sure

01:10:16 ◼   ► I think I would have read about that I am absolutely are you well you would have thought it

01:10:19 ◼   ► would have been a bigger deal but I would have thought that would have been on the verge

01:10:22 ◼   ► You'd think it would be. They're very consumer-focused.

01:10:30 ◼   ► He's a very smart guy. He doesn't miss much. I would think that he would have written about it.

01:10:33 ◼   ► Well, as far as I know, he never commented. So I switched to wireless ones years ago,

01:10:38 ◼   ► and I got a pair of the Bose over-the-ear ones. Anyways, I'm curious how these AirPods are going

01:10:45 ◼   ► to work. I'm not as skeptical as I would have been if I hadn't had that very positive experience

01:10:50 ◼   ► the Shores for years and years that maybe I will like these. I don't know.

01:10:54 ◼   ► Well, and I think what's interesting about where you talked about the nubbins, so supposedly

01:10:58 ◼   ► these will use sound to figure out if you're wearing the right.

01:11:04 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what Dan linked to. Yeah, so there's some kind of way in software. I don't know where

01:11:11 ◼   ► this is. I guess it's in, it's probably one of those things I'm sure that'll be iOS only and

01:11:16 ◼   ► won't make it to the Mac. But there I guess in settings somewhere, there'll be some kind of way

01:11:22 ◼   ► that you can. It's unclear. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go up for this media briefing,

01:11:28 ◼   ► like, okay, so there's a test but how do you get to it is in the settings app? Do you just your

01:11:32 ◼   ► ear tip fit test ear tips? Yeah, your tip fit test. That sounds like one of those things that

01:11:38 ◼   ► you say like a tongue twister to get ready to go on a podcast. Your tip fit. It's pluralized ears,

01:11:43 ◼   ► tip. God damn plurals. This would all be so much easier if we as a species only had one ear.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Right in the front of our head.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Yeah, right in the forehead, right? That's the obvious.

01:12:01 ◼   ► It would have to be.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Right. Yeah, because everything else is taken, right? We only have one mouth, right? You know?

01:12:09 ◼   ► Well, maybe we would have two mouths if we only had one ear.

01:12:12 ◼   ► Yeah, there's probably a planet somewhere where everybody has all the species all the their equivalent of mammals

01:12:17 ◼   ► Everybody has two mouths, you know, because what happens what happens if you know you you get a toothache into one mouth

01:12:22 ◼   ► Well, yeah, you're the mouth to keep going

01:12:24 ◼   ► Start right. Yeah, Star Trek always went like crazy. I always thought they were going they were really going out all out on designing an

01:12:32 ◼   ► Alien when they would put like nostrils someplace other than where a human

01:12:38 ◼   ► All the aliens were just people with bumpy foreheads, right?

01:12:42 ◼   ► But then occasionally they'd put like nostrils like, you know in between the eyebrows or yeah. Yeah. No totally

01:12:49 ◼   ► Yeah, we're up on the forehead like what if instead of making a rigid forehead

01:12:54 ◼   ► We put a nose another me another mouth or an ear up there. Yeah

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01:17:51 ◼   ► Oh, Picard?

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01:17:53 ◼   ► You want to talk about Picard?

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01:17:56 ◼   ► Or should we talk about, we should maybe talk about the reviews for Apple TV Plus.

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01:18:00 ◼   ► Well, let's save those, file those away for the third segment of the show.

01:18:06 ◼   ► Let's stick to AirPods for now.

01:18:10 ◼   ► AirPods Pro.

01:18:14 ◼   ► One color, you can get them whatever color you want.

01:18:16 ◼   ► White, rumored to have come in black and midnight green just like the other phones didn't

01:18:21 ◼   ► come in that.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Why do you think they don't make colored iPods?

01:18:24 ◼   ► My theory, as I spoused on my website earlier today, is that they sort of see them as a

01:18:29 ◼   ► branding thing, that they're sort of an iconic look that dates back to the ad campaign for

01:18:35 ◼   ► iPods that lasted for years, years and years and years, those silhouette of people listening

01:18:40 ◼   ► to music and dancing.

01:18:42 ◼   ► It was a very long-running ad campaign and I feel like today's air pods still sort of carry on that like you see

01:18:50 ◼   ► People walking down the street wearing white things sticking out of their ears and you just know their air pods and that would be diluted

01:18:57 ◼   ► Even if they just added one more color like black it would dilute that to some degree

01:19:02 ◼   ► Yeah, even even though other companies make I mean in four years have made white right wired headphones

01:19:10 ◼   ► And other companies now make white we're you know knock off air pods basically, right?

01:19:15 ◼   ► It reminds you of Apple. Yeah, even if you're seeing someone who's not actually wearing their headphones

01:19:21 ◼   ► Yeah, and for some reason nobody's really come out with air pods that really look like air pods

01:19:27 ◼   ► You know like where it's you know, like the Google ones or look like

01:19:32 ◼   ► No name brand. Yeah. Yeah. No name brand has really come out with anything that really follows that that

01:19:38 ◼   ► that rod sticking out of a thing pointing down design. There's all sorts of different designs

01:19:43 ◼   ► that people have come out with for their wireless earbuds, but nobody's really copied that yet.

01:19:48 ◼   ► Whether they did it out of deference, like pride, like we're not going to copy this iconic design,

01:19:55 ◼   ► or whether there's some kind of technical reason that Apple has an ability to make them like that

01:20:00 ◼   ► and put the battery in that little rod that others technically haven't been able to copy, I don't

01:20:06 ◼   ► know but yeah I would think the battery technology would be hard to do you know

01:20:11 ◼   ► for us for a regular company to duplicate anyway you know maybe the most

01:20:16 ◼   ► the major companies could probably do it yeah but and it maybe it's just too

01:20:20 ◼   ► shameless I don't know you know like a Samsung Galaxy Note 11 came out with I

01:20:26 ◼   ► never bothered them before I that's what I think I was like I'm just kind of

01:20:29 ◼   ► Samsung is this whole my whole segment here I've been thinking about Samsung

01:20:33 ◼   ► Why hasn't Samsung made something that looks as much like AirPods as they possibly can?

01:20:37 ◼   ► I don't know. But it kind of sucks if you think about it that way, though, in a way,

01:20:43 ◼   ► because it's sort of like they're not white and only white for our benefit. It's sort of for

01:20:50 ◼   ► Apple's benefit as a branding thing. So for the people who wish that they made black ones,

01:20:59 ◼   ► sort of sucks. And I assume, I mean, we think that there will be AR glasses coming sometime,

01:21:08 ◼   ► and I would assume that because that is something that is more front and center on the face,

01:21:12 ◼   ► but it would, assuming that these things are real, that they would be more fashion oriented.

01:21:19 ◼   ► Well, look at what they've done with the watch.

01:21:21 ◼   ► And you'd be able, yeah, I mean, but still, yeah, but still, I'm trying to figure,

01:21:25 ◼   ► I'm trying to think of how they would look so that you can still make them your own statement and then

01:21:33 ◼   ► it would also say, "Hey, these are from Apple."

01:21:35 ◼   ► It's a fact. I can, you know, and that's a product that we know is in the works,

01:21:41 ◼   ► but so far has no leaks of hardware. So I, yeah, I've been thinking about that too,

01:21:50 ◼   ► because I know, and I know there was a rumor, I think it was Ming-Chi Kuo,

01:21:54 ◼   ► all the rumors are being cheek-quo really. Well, all the good ones. Yeah, all the ones from the

01:21:58 ◼   ► supply chain. But he, you know, he just, he came out a couple weeks ago, a week or two ago and said,

01:22:02 ◼   ► yeah, the glasses or goggles or whatever the hell they are coming out. He has no idea,

01:22:05 ◼   ► no idea what they look like. And I find stuff like that fascinating that, you know, he's confident

01:22:11 ◼   ► enough in his source that he's, you know, willing to put his reputation on the line by saying

01:22:17 ◼   ► definitively that Apple's currently planning to come out with them in 2020. But it has no idea

01:22:24 ◼   ► really what they look like or what they do. Really. But I've been thinking about that.

01:22:30 ◼   ► You know, this is a good aside, really, because it's like there's different ways to do glasses.

01:22:35 ◼   ► The biggest—

01:22:37 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it. There's a vast variety of glasses.

01:22:40 ◼   ► Well, and the biggest thing would be, is this something you're supposed to wear all day?

01:22:44 ◼   ► Which is what the idea behind Google Glass was, that this is something you would wake up in the

01:22:50 ◼   ► morning and put on and then you walk around all day with these things on and you yeah you would go

01:22:55 ◼   ► to dinner so you mean from like a functional standpoint right from a functional standpoint

01:23:00 ◼   ► as opposed to like i'm talking about style or is it is it more like air pods where it is a thing

01:23:05 ◼   ► that you would wear temporarily you know like you don't to do something i'm sure that i'm sure that

01:23:12 ◼   ► there's some kids who wear their air pods all day but i think there are people yeah i mean i

01:23:18 ◼   ► you know, we went out to lunch on Sunday and for dim sum and there were I saw several people wearing

01:23:25 ◼   ► AirPods at the restaurant while they were dining just like one in there one in there.

01:23:30 ◼   ► Yeah, so I you know, but but that's my thought is maybe that these don't think of it as Google

01:23:36 ◼   ► Glass, think of it as something more like AirPods for your eyes and that you'd put them on. Maybe

01:23:40 ◼   ► you're going for a walk or a run or something and you'd put them on while you're going and then you

01:23:45 ◼   ► could see your text messages or something floating in front of you, but you wouldn't

01:23:49 ◼   ► wear them all day and they wouldn't be a replacement for prescription glasses? I don't

01:23:54 ◼   ► know. It's just, you know, there's a lot, it's just very common. The watch was a little

01:23:58 ◼   ► bit like this, but the, the idea of Apple branded glasses has way more questions like

01:24:03 ◼   ► that. Like, but if they're not a replacement for prescription glasses, how does somebody

01:24:09 ◼   ► who needs glasses wear them? Right? They kind of have to be right. Like they kind of have

01:24:13 ◼   ► to be something that you could buy and then how is that going to work? Like you go to

01:24:17 ◼   ► Apple.com to pre-order them and then what? You have to take them to your optician to

01:24:22 ◼   ► get lenses put in?

01:24:23 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah.

01:24:24 ◼   ► And there's just a lot of questions. Everybody's just like, "Oh, yeah. Apple's all in on

01:24:28 ◼   ► AR and they're going to come out with glasses." But it's like there's a lot of big fundamental

01:24:34 ◼   ► questions surrounding a product like that that I don't know how they square that circle.

01:24:39 ◼   ► And the fashion angle is one too, where it's like, okay, so now everybody, half the people

01:24:43 ◼   ► in North America that I know all wear the same watch.

01:24:49 ◼   ► But right from the get-go, I mean, if anything, they might have had more variety of watch

01:24:56 ◼   ► bands at the original Apple Watch than they do now, or at least as many.

01:25:02 ◼   ► I mean, they...

01:25:03 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:25:04 ◼   ► Very, very consciously.

01:25:05 ◼   ► right from the beginning, day one, they were like, we have a zillion different watch straps

01:25:11 ◼   ► to choose from of different styles and materials, you know, rubber and leather and metal bracelets

01:25:16 ◼   ► and Milanese and now they've got the Velcro ones and all sorts of different colors and

01:25:24 ◼   ► they change them up every six months. So that's a big part of how they pulled this off. Like,

01:25:30 ◼   ► And I really firmly believe that if there were only like white, you know, like a space

01:25:36 ◼   ► gray watch with a black band and a regular aluminum one with a white band and that's

01:25:45 ◼   ► it, I don't think the Apple Watch would have taken off.

01:25:48 ◼   ► I literally think that the configurability, the ease of – and how easy it is.

01:25:54 ◼   ► It's a genius physical mechanism that they invented.

01:25:56 ◼   ► I think it's crazy that we dealt with those fiddly little prongs on watches prior to the

01:26:04 ◼   ► invention of the Apple Watch. We dealt with those things for a hundred years.

01:26:09 ◼   ► Right. It's like the easiest to change watch strap I've ever seen. And I'm a bit of a watch

01:26:14 ◼   ► nerd is nowhere near as easy to change as the Apple Watch one. And I've done it because I have

01:26:21 ◼   ► a couple of mechanical watches and I've changed the straps on them and it's terrifying.

01:26:26 ◼   ► John

01:26:28 ◼   ► Shoot across the room.

01:26:29 ◼   ► Trenton Larkin Right. And there's a little,

01:26:30 ◼   ► they're literally called spring bars and they do shoot across the room.

01:26:34 ◼   ► So you'll never find it again. But you could scratch it, you know, you have to use a tool

01:26:41 ◼   ► that you if it's, you know, most watches are made of material, even like stainless steel that could

01:26:45 ◼   ► be easily scratched, you know, you don't want to do it, but you feel like an income poop taking it

01:26:49 ◼   ► it into somebody else. I wouldn't open the case of a watch if it was a battery-open battery,

01:26:56 ◼   ► a quartz watch with a replaceable battery. If it was waterproof, I wouldn't trust myself

01:27:03 ◼   ► to do it.

01:27:04 ◼   ► I'd buy it.

01:27:05 ◼   ► I haven't had a watch with a replaceable quartz battery in a very long time. But when

01:27:09 ◼   ► I did, I always took it to a jeweler because I live here in a city where there's tons

01:27:13 ◼   ► of professional jewelers where you can take a watch. But to change a strap, I wouldn't

01:27:17 ◼   ► I feel like an income poop, but I do it myself, but it's a pain in the butt. Anyway, that's a huge

01:27:23 ◼   ► part of the Apple Watch success. I don't see how that quite translates to glasses, right? Like,

01:27:28 ◼   ► everybody has the same sort of front-facing frames, but you get to pick the side pieces

01:27:34 ◼   ► that go over your ear. You know, that does it. Right. That doesn't seem right either, right?

01:27:38 ◼   ► Yeah. Because that's the most, the front part is the most important part.

01:27:42 ◼   ► Right. And so I don't see it. I don't know. I'm looking forward to seeing what it's all about, but

01:27:47 ◼   ► But when I think about it as something you would wear all day, it just seems less and

01:27:52 ◼   ► less likely because I just don't see how they would make glasses that everyone would

01:27:55 ◼   ► want to wear without looking like you've joined some kind of sports team.

01:28:00 ◼   ► You know, like, welcome to the team.

01:28:04 ◼   ► Everybody wears the same glasses, you know.

01:28:08 ◼   ► It just seems very, very strange.

01:28:09 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:28:10 ◼   ► I can't wait to see how you do it.

01:28:13 ◼   ► But then, you know, compare and contrast the variety of watch straps that Apple alone offers,

01:28:17 ◼   ► let alone the fact that third parties are easily able to get the, you know, to make

01:28:23 ◼   ► their own watch straps for the Apple Watch with AirPods, which are white and only white.

01:28:29 ◼   ► There you go.

01:28:30 ◼   ► That was the, but that was funny because I switched sizes when I got the Apple Watch

01:28:35 ◼   ► 5, the Series 5, and needed to get all new bands.

01:28:40 ◼   ► But I don't think I ever would have done that in the past.

01:28:42 ◼   ► like when I got a new watch I would just wear the band that it came with for you know

01:28:46 ◼   ► 15 years or whatever until it fell apart and then I'd go grudgingly go to the mall and buy a new band

01:28:52 ◼   ► but because it's you know I can change the band so easily I was like oh I gotta get I gotta get

01:28:59 ◼   ► new bands so I got you know I got the one that it came with and then I got two other bands to go

01:29:05 ◼   ► with it yeah so you dropped down in size you went to yeah yeah to the 40 millimeter yeah I stuck

01:29:11 ◼   ► with the big boy watch. But it's a close call.

01:29:15 ◼   ► I mean, this is perfect for me. And yeah, I didn't want to go bigger, definitely.

01:29:19 ◼   ► Yeah, I would be curious to know how the sales break down on that, because you figure most

01:29:27 ◼   ► women are going to buy the 40 millimeter because their wrists are smaller. And you know, they've

01:29:35 ◼   ► conspicuously—another thing that's never changed with Apple watches, they've never

01:29:38 ◼   ► labeled them as men's and women's. It's always just been two sizes and then both can be dressed

01:29:45 ◼   ► up in very different ways depending simply on the strap. There has to be more people,

01:29:51 ◼   ► since they increased the size with Series 4, it has to be more people buying a 40 than ever before.

01:29:57 ◼   ► **Matt Stauffer** I would think so.

01:29:58 ◼   ► **Ezra Klein** Because I know an awful lot of men,

01:30:00 ◼   ► just on the podcast I listened to, switched to the 40 millimeter.

01:30:04 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I would think that they would they could find room for you know, another 30 36. Yeah

01:30:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I would think so too. Yeah, but maybe you know that it's already there's already enough SK use. I don't know. Yeah

01:30:18 ◼   ► What else on the airpods so we've got the the nubbins got the nubbin test the ears fit well Jesus

01:30:28 ◼   ► What is it the ears fit something?

01:30:30 ◼   ► Ear tip fit test tears ears tip. No, you forgot the plural job. I

01:30:34 ◼   ► Made that part up. I guess they could it could have been ear tips fit test though

01:30:39 ◼   ► Again, somebody at Apple probably really put some thought into that but looking forward to see how that works

01:30:45 ◼   ► it sounds to me like that fit test is a lot like a

01:30:49 ◼   ► very an ear canal

01:30:52 ◼   ► Sized version of what home pods do you know room test? Yeah, right where they it's like it's it plays sound

01:31:00 ◼   ► and then there's a microphone pointing into your ear. So in addition to the

01:31:05 ◼   ► microphone that picks up outside noise for the noise cancellation and you know

01:31:09 ◼   ► so you can make phone calls and talk to your ear pods, they now have a microphone.

01:31:14 ◼   ► The new ones have a microphone inside that points into your ear so that they

01:31:18 ◼   ► can dynamically adjust to sound better, which really is kind of amazing.

01:31:30 ◼   ► There's an interesting feature.

01:31:33 ◼   ► - I sort of feel like it's my job

01:31:37 ◼   ► mostly to complain about Apple.

01:31:39 ◼   ► That's, you know, that's what we do.

01:31:41 ◼   ► And I do feel like in a large sense that they've,

01:31:46 ◼   ► you know, I could do hours and hours and hours

01:31:49 ◼   ► talking about it and in fact have,

01:31:51 ◼   ► if you listen to the back episodes of this show,

01:31:53 ◼   ► you read my website, but that the trend, in my opinion,

01:31:57 ◼   ► has moved too much across all of Apple's products,

01:32:00 ◼   ► but like, especially with the Mac in particular,

01:32:02 ◼   ► towards encapsulating too much.

01:32:07 ◼   ► And it's like, well, we'll just make this simpler,

01:32:10 ◼   ► but it's like, they've made it too simple.

01:32:12 ◼   ► And now there's no way to do power user things.

01:32:15 ◼   ► But sometimes encapsulating the whole thing

01:32:19 ◼   ► is exactly the right thing to do.

01:32:21 ◼   ► Like the way that to get HomePods

01:32:23 ◼   ► to do their fancy, adjust their acoustic output

01:32:28 ◼   ► based on the acoustics of the room that they're in

01:32:32 ◼   ► and readjust as soon as the accelerometer in the device

01:32:36 ◼   ► can tell that it's being picked up and moved

01:32:39 ◼   ► and then, oh, I've been moved so I need to recalibrate.

01:32:42 ◼   ► But doesn't go into a test mode where it plays weird sounds.

01:32:46 ◼   ► It just plays whatever you told it to play

01:32:48 ◼   ► and initially just sort of listens

01:32:51 ◼   ► to see how it itself sounds and adjust dynamically.

01:32:55 ◼   ► And you don't have to do anything.

01:32:56 ◼   ► There's no buttons, there's nothing to do.

01:32:58 ◼   ► There is no mode to enter.

01:33:00 ◼   ► You don't have to enter a mode.

01:33:01 ◼   ► It just does it automatically.

01:33:02 ◼   ► That to me is Apple at its best.

01:33:04 ◼   ► That's something that encapsulating all the complexity

01:33:08 ◼   ► and just don't worry about it.

01:33:09 ◼   ► Just put it in your ear and we'll adjust.

01:33:12 ◼   ► We're using a little hidden microphone.

01:33:13 ◼   ► - I'll be interested to see if it can, I mean,

01:33:15 ◼   ► I'll be interested to see if it can recommend which ones.

01:33:19 ◼   ► I think that would be pretty wild.

01:33:20 ◼   ► I think it would be able to say, "Nah, these are not quite right." But if it could say, "Try this one."

01:33:25 ◼   ► I wonder if part of this, you know, so they apparently snap on and snap off. I wonder if

01:33:31 ◼   ► there's something physical. It wouldn't be electronic, but it's maybe some kind of way

01:33:38 ◼   ► that it knows which size is on. Like, would your AirPods Pro know that you have the medium tips in?

01:33:47 ◼   ► and then say, "Hey, why don't you try the larger ones?" And you're like, "I don't know where they are."

01:33:52 ◼   ► I lost them when I opened the box. I wonder how much replacement tips are going to cost.

01:33:57 ◼   ► $150. Oh, there's a Just the Tip joke. Just the Tips joke in there.

01:34:04 ◼   ► Welcome to the Apple store. What would you like? Just the tips. Just the tips.

01:34:15 ◼   ► Why do you think that they didn't announce these at the event last month?

01:34:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you speculated because they weren't quite ready, right?

01:34:25 ◼   ► And that maybe they're gun shy because of the air power.

01:34:27 ◼   ► Because of the air power. Yeah. Although, I mean, air power was, well,

01:34:33 ◼   ► it wasn't really close, right? It couldn't have been, but I think

01:34:39 ◼   ► it seems like a different situation. I mean, these things were very close to shipping.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, you know there here we are. I think it's about seven weeks later eight at the most right? It's

01:34:48 ◼   ► Seven or eight weeks later and here they are and you can pre-order them and they're going to start shipping in two days

01:34:55 ◼   ► so at that

01:34:58 ◼   ► closeness it seems to me that they should that that's within the realm of being

01:35:02 ◼   ► 99.8% certain I'm gonna I'm gonna guess it's because they didn't want to affect sales of existing air pods

01:35:10 ◼   ► Okay, so a couple people on Twitter's point

01:35:12 ◼   ► Suggested that to me as well, but yeah that that I would buy if these were

01:35:17 ◼   ► Replacements for air pods as we know them if these are the new air pods for 160 dollars

01:35:24 ◼   ► And now when you buy our pods is what you get, but they're two hundred and fifty dollars not 160 dollars

01:35:29 ◼   ► Yeah, and so it

01:35:31 ◼   ► And you know I still think it could change people's buying though

01:35:35 ◼   ► I mean, you know, particularly if you're the I mean Apple seems yes exist Apple seems by buying it by a Christmas present now, right?

01:35:43 ◼   ► Apple seems patient enough to me though that that if these are going to affect and and presumably they are going to affect sales of

01:35:52 ◼   ► the other

01:35:53 ◼   ► AirPods that there will clearly be some number and

01:35:57 ◼   ► People who would have bought regular AirPods if they were still the only AirPods

01:36:02 ◼   ► AirPods, but who will instead buy AirPods Pro because they want the noise cancellation

01:36:09 ◼   ► or whatever else. It seems to me that however big that number is of people who would have

01:36:16 ◼   ► bought them in between September the 10th or whatever day that event was and today,

01:36:24 ◼   ► that Apple is a patient enough company to say, "Okay, we'll let you wait. That's

01:36:28 ◼   ► fine with us because you're going to be spending 90 more dollars."

01:36:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:33 ◼   ► So I don't know about that.

01:36:35 ◼   ► Maybe?

01:36:36 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:36:37 ◼   ► It seems, I mean, in general, I would say that they tend to try to announce things within

01:36:41 ◼   ► like a week or so of things being available.

01:36:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:45 ◼   ► Except for…

01:36:46 ◼   ► And there are, and it doesn't, obviously it doesn't matter when it's a new category.

01:36:50 ◼   ► Right.

01:36:51 ◼   ► Because the only other, you know, you're only stealing sales from other companies,

01:36:55 ◼   ► so that's fine.

01:36:56 ◼   ► So, yeah.

01:36:57 ◼   ► in theory, they were really hoping that they would be ready to ship by the end of September,

01:37:01 ◼   ► and they could have announced them on stage, but because they weren't now, they just don't want to

01:37:06 ◼   ► get it. They just don't want to do that. And they, you know, like, and there were, like, the iPhone

01:37:11 ◼   ► 10 shipped before the iPhone 8. Is that the way it worked? But then the next year, the

01:37:23 ◼   ► 10 are shipped later than no i guess i wonder if they have people who come in and buy both

01:37:28 ◼   ► at the same time both the airpods and the airpod pro no by by an iphone and airpods oh

01:37:37 ◼   ► yeah maybe and and then and they thought well you know if like you're the kind of person who wants

01:37:43 ◼   ► airpods pro you're going to delay your iphone purchase until they come out and they didn't

01:37:47 ◼   ► want to they didn't want to set back the initial quarter sales of the new iPhones

01:37:52 ◼   ► of the new iPhone whoo I like that theory John I like you can have that

01:37:56 ◼   ► yeah I like that theory all right now I remember it's just so nobody sends in a

01:38:01 ◼   ► correction with the original iPhone 10 the 10 shipped later than the iPhone 8

01:38:06 ◼   ► and I almost suspect I almost suspect that they wanted it that way because mm-hmm

01:38:13 ◼   ► If they shipped the 10 and the 8 at the same time, all of the reviews would have been entirely about the 10.

01:38:20 ◼   ► And the 8 would have not gotten any attention.

01:38:23 ◼   ► So they shipped the 8 first so that it would get reviewed as fairly as possible.

01:38:28 ◼   ► And even so, most of the reviews, I remember noting at the time, they still all mentioned the iPhone X,

01:38:33 ◼   ► which was then coming later, and then the iPhone X shipped.

01:38:36 ◼   ► next year the XS and the XS Max shipped first and the XR shipped later.

01:38:43 ◼   ► And that might have been a delay that might not have been on purpose or strategic to stagger

01:38:49 ◼   ► the reviews.

01:38:50 ◼   ► But maybe it was because in my opinion and most other people who reviewed them's opinion,

01:38:59 ◼   ► the XR was so good that for an awful lot of people it was the right phone for them even

01:39:06 ◼   ► not even looking at the price. And they kind of wanted to get as many of the thousand dollar

01:39:13 ◼   ► phone sales as they could. But anyway, so they've done that with things other than AirPower where

01:39:19 ◼   ► they held the event and one of the big announcements wasn't coming until weeks into October.

01:39:26 ◼   ► I don't know. It's very, very strange. Well, not very strange, but it's curious.

01:39:32 ◼   ► Yeah, there's not obviously there's a lot of there's a lot of thought that goes on

01:39:36 ◼   ► and it's tough to armchair quarterback all that.

01:39:40 ◼   ► Anything else on the AirPods Pro? I don't think so.

01:39:45 ◼   ► Yeah, you're going to upgrade or no? You're going to stick with what you know?

01:39:47 ◼   ► Like I said, I don't like the plugs, the ear plug thing, so I'm good.

01:39:52 ◼   ► I wonder how they're going to do the things in the store. I don't know. What did they do now?

01:39:56 ◼   ► I don't know. I wondered that too because you know, if you wanted to come in and try them on,

01:40:01 ◼   ► They're they can't they can't reuse them and they can't

01:40:05 ◼   ► Burn one every time somebody wants to try it on. I still remember very vividly being just like i'm blown away

01:40:12 ◼   ► by

01:40:15 ◼   ► By what they were doing but then realizing well they kind of have to do that was that at the

01:40:20 ◼   ► When they introduced the original air pods

01:40:22 ◼   ► I don't know. What was that three years ago

01:40:25 ◼   ► Uh, yeah at in the hands-on area for the press after the event

01:40:31 ◼   ► they they would they come out with a tray of them it was like like being at a

01:40:37 ◼   ► cocktail party I honestly got like somebody would come out with a tray of

01:40:41 ◼   ► air pods like hors d'oeuvres you know and and you'd you you couldn't just pick

01:40:47 ◼   ► them up and and yourself because you know then you'd walk off with them but

01:40:54 ◼   ► you you would find a helpful Apple person and they would say would you like

01:40:57 ◼   ► to try AirPods and you'd say yes. And then they would have this tray and then they would

01:41:02 ◼   ► take a pair and let you try them. And then I guess they were already paired with like

01:41:06 ◼   ► their, you know, like a demo iPhone and they play a couple of songs and ask you what you

01:41:11 ◼   ► think and then you could like double tap to try all the stuff. And then you would say,

01:41:16 ◼   ► Oh, that's interesting. And then you'd hand them back to them. And then they would put

01:41:20 ◼   ► them on another tray of this already used AirPods. And there was a nonstop shuffle of

01:41:27 ◼   ► Apple employees bringing out fresh trays and taking away the trides.

01:41:33 ◼   ► They were just going in the back and turning around and coming back.

01:41:36 ◼   ► That was the joke.

01:41:37 ◼   ► Everybody was joking about that.

01:41:38 ◼   ► They're just walking behind that door and then just turning around.

01:41:45 ◼   ► I wonder what they do in the stores.

01:41:47 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:41:48 ◼   ► I actually don't know the answer to this question.

01:41:49 ◼   ► I would think that – yeah, but you can't – like dummy ones don't really help because

01:41:55 ◼   ► you can't hear anything.

01:41:56 ◼   ► Right. Right. You can feel the fit, but it doesn't. That's not enough. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah.

01:42:02 ◼   ► I don't know. Well, we'll find out. Maybe with these, they can just do the tips and

01:42:07 ◼   ► they'll just go through thousands and thousands of tips a day. I don't know.

01:42:11 ◼   ► I guess. Yeah, I guess that's true. That would be cheaper for sure.

01:42:14 ◼   ► I don't know. We'll find out. I'll file that away for future follow-up. All right. Let me take

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01:45:19 ◼   ► What about the name AirPods Pro?

01:45:23 ◼   ► I feel like that's sort of like,

01:45:24 ◼   ► oh, you thought Pro maybe wasn't applicable to the iPhone?

01:45:27 ◼   ► Hold our beer.

01:45:30 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:45:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a little odd, isn't it?

01:45:34 ◼   ► - You wanna argue about whether these are professional phones?

01:45:37 ◼   ► - Is noise cancellation a Pro feature?

01:45:39 ◼   ► Like maybe, I don't know.

01:45:41 ◼   ► - It's like I've been saying for a while,

01:45:42 ◼   ► it's Apple parlance for higher end.

01:45:45 ◼   ► It really is. And sometimes it does mean professional. The Mac Pro literally should not be purchased,

01:45:52 ◼   ► or even the iMac Pro should not be purchased by anybody who doesn't really have a professional

01:45:57 ◼   ► need for what it does above a non-Pro Mac. Although I do wonder how many people have

01:46:04 ◼   ► bought iMac Pros because they're space gray. I don't really need an iMac Pro.

01:46:09 ◼   ► I'm sure there are some.

01:46:10 ◼   ► But damn, that keyboard!

01:46:12 ◼   ► You can get the keyboard though, can't you?

01:46:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I think you can now, but when it first came out you couldn't. But it's also a

01:46:19 ◼   ► better looking iMac, if you prefer space grade to regular aluminum. Those are really pro.

01:46:27 ◼   ► MacBook Pros used to be really, really pro, but now, you know…

01:46:31 ◼   ► Time for the last three years.

01:46:33 ◼   ► Yeah, not so much. They're just sort of like the regular MacBooks, and it's the

01:46:37 ◼   ► MacBook Air that's different because it's like thinner and lighter. The only way to

01:46:41 ◼   ► get a 15-inch laptop from Apple is to get a MacBook Pro. So if you want a bigger display,

01:46:46 ◼   ► which is a very normal thing to desire, bigger displays are better. And if you're willing

01:46:53 ◼   ► to trade the extra weight and size in your backpack or whatever you carry it around in

01:46:59 ◼   ► for a bigger display, your only option is a MacBook Pro. With AirPods, I don't think

01:47:07 ◼   ► there'll ever be a better example of Apple using the word "pro" to mean higher-end or

01:47:12 ◼   ► deluxe or premium or plus or whatever you want to call it.

01:47:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it's funny. I mean, and they tried it—well, the addition was just like—that

01:47:22 ◼   ► was not the same, but there was no functionality difference.

01:47:27 ◼   ► Well, they still have addition. They still call it like the titanium and the ceramic

01:47:31 ◼   ► ones "addition," which is not a bad word. I think the original—I think it's very

01:47:36 ◼   ► cleverly used and I think now that the materials are like hundreds of dollars more expensive

01:47:42 ◼   ► as opposed to $15,000 to $20,000 more expensive, I think it works pretty well. I've got the

01:47:50 ◼   ► titanium one. I bought the titanium one.

01:47:53 ◼   ► Yeah, it's nice looking.

01:47:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I like it. I was going to talk to Rene about it last week because I know he got one

01:47:58 ◼   ► too. But I like it a lot. My short review of the titanium Series 5 Apple Watch is that

01:48:05 ◼   ► I like it a lot and I can you lift your wrist what I didn't go to that event yeah

01:48:12 ◼   ► It's heavier. It's heavier though right no because I had stainless steel before

01:48:16 ◼   ► Okay, I always had the my but I thought it was heavy. I thought it was heavier than the stainless no no it's right

01:48:22 ◼   ► Okay, it's almost exactly

01:48:24 ◼   ► Mathematically in between the weight of aluminum and stainless steel ones oh, so I got it. I got it backwards. Yeah, okay, okay?

01:48:29 ◼   ► Titanium is lighter than steel

01:48:33 ◼   ► I wasn't at that event in September, so I didn't see it and the first thing I was like, ooh

01:48:37 ◼   ► How's that titanium look I texted to Panzorino and he said it has a DeLorean look to it

01:48:42 ◼   ► And I cannot put it better than that

01:48:44 ◼   ► It's like it's just off the cusp me badgering him while he was in the hands-on area after the event

01:48:49 ◼   ► That's exactly what it looks like has sort of an 80s brushed

01:48:53 ◼   ► I mean, it's funny because the DeLorean famously was made out of stainless steel

01:48:58 ◼   ► And this is made out of titanium and the state they do have stainless steel watches, but they're polished not brushed

01:49:04 ◼   ► Anyway, I like it a lot

01:49:07 ◼   ► I would like to get a silver one, but I you know when that just looks silver

01:49:10 ◼   ► But I don't feel like the aluminum silver looks good enough. I think the black aluminum silver looks better, and I'm not paying

01:49:16 ◼   ► Which I mean because I'm gonna buy these probably every couple of years and I just I'm not gonna pay

01:49:24 ◼   ► $600 every two years to to get a watch when I you know, I used to pay $70 every two decades, right?

01:49:29 ◼   ► So now you're calling me a dummy

01:49:31 ◼   ► I feel like that's you know, I

01:49:36 ◼   ► Don't buy I've had three Apple watches. I've bought all of the odd numbered ones. That wasn't necessarily a strategic choice

01:49:44 ◼   ► It's just that series three was the first one that I felt was a compelling

01:49:49 ◼   ► Upgrade over my original. Yeah

01:49:53 ◼   ► Yeah, well I got this I had the zero and then I got the three and then the foot yeah

01:49:56 ◼   ► I guess I did have the zero well the one is weird because the one came out with the two

01:50:00 ◼   ► You know so what we call the zero is what I had

01:50:04 ◼   ► Then I skipped I skipped a generation then I bought a three then I skipped the four and I just bought a five

01:50:09 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I'm doing

01:50:12 ◼   ► But cheaper miss the other girl

01:50:14 ◼   ► What else so the

01:50:18 ◼   ► the Apple TV

01:50:20 ◼   ► Plus shows you were gonna say that came out and the review. Yeah, many of the reviews are not great for

01:50:25 ◼   ► Set for half of the shows anyway, so they the ones that I saw mostly seemed to think that

01:50:32 ◼   ► For all mankind and Dickinson were pretty we're pretty good. Yeah, and then see and the morning show or not

01:50:40 ◼   ► Yeah, although the AV the AV Club was much more favorable to the morning show and gave it a B+ hmm

01:50:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I saw the Hollywood reporters review of the morning show and they they seemed to indicate it was a very interesting review

01:50:55 ◼   ► I haven't linked to it yet

01:50:56 ◼   ► But it was an interesting way to do a review where they talked about

01:50:58 ◼   ► that if you know what to look for in a TV show you can see the seams and

01:51:02 ◼   ► It's you know, maybe a spot where the lighting is different because it was a shot it they had to pick up a shot

01:51:09 ◼   ► Weeks later we were missing a shot and they didn't get the lighting right or you pick up a shot where they call it ADR

01:51:16 ◼   ► I forget what it stands for but like where a line of dialogue is sort of

01:51:19 ◼   ► adjusted after the fact because they have to explain a plot point or something like that and

01:51:24 ◼   ► They suggested that there's an awful lot of seams in the first two episodes of the morning show

01:51:30 ◼   ► and now is that

01:51:32 ◼   ► Seeing what they want to see because they're the Hollywood reporter and they know the backstory the backstory is that the original showrunner?

01:51:42 ◼   ► Of the show got forced out and a new one was brought in and it was already in production and it led to a messy

01:51:49 ◼   ► legal fight with the I don't know what guild it is, but one of the you know, whatever the

01:51:54 ◼   ► professional organization who

01:51:57 ◼   ► Media mediates such disputes over credits, which is a huge deal in Hollywood

01:52:02 ◼   ► You know

01:52:02 ◼   ► Like I always say like once you know this you'll see you it's usually a sign of a movie that is not going to be

01:52:07 ◼   ► good is if the screenwriting credit has five names and and some of that's been passed around right

01:52:15 ◼   ► well and some of them the thing to look for is some of the names are separated by the word

01:52:19 ◼   ► a nd and some of them are separated by ampersands in the same title card it's not a mistake it

01:52:26 ◼   ► actually in the writer's guild of america there is a i don't even know what it is i forget the

01:52:31 ◼   ► difference like i think the ampersand is for like two people who work together work together and

01:52:36 ◼   ► And these other guys came in later and threw out their script

01:52:42 ◼   ► And rewrote it or they threw out large enough portions that they got to put their name in

01:52:48 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure ampersand ties you together and and is

01:52:52 ◼   ► A separation of teams and the sign of a dispute of some sort, but I could be getting it backwards

01:52:59 ◼   ► It doesn't matter but once you know that when you see an opening of a movie and there's a written by

01:53:04 ◼   ► screenplay by with four names some ampersand some walk out yeah it's probably gonna be messy but

01:53:10 ◼   ► anyway there seemed like there was a lot that according to them there's a lot of that with the

01:53:14 ◼   ► first two episodes of the morning show where it seems uneven and unsure of what what the vibe

01:53:19 ◼   ► it's going for is so anyway i'm looking forward to that show anyway but i'm not i'm just not i

01:53:25 ◼   ► was never interested in it's not the kind of thing that i generally watch i'm you know from the

01:53:30 ◼   ► beginning I was interested in For All Mankind and then I wasn't super impressed by the first trailer

01:53:35 ◼   ► but then this later one I really liked and for some reason I didn't I mean I for some reason I

01:53:43 ◼   ► found Dickinson very interesting and I don't know why I just thought it was weird looking and thought

01:53:50 ◼   ► yeah I'll try that too. I'll try all of them. My wife is not a fan of period pieces and the further

01:53:58 ◼   ► further back in time something goes, the more likely she is to reject it before we even begin

01:54:03 ◼   ► watching it. So I feel like for all mankind is a definite maybe, because the 60s aren't that

01:54:09 ◼   ► long ago. Whereas anything like a Sherlock Holmes type thing, like Victorian, forget it. She'd just

01:54:18 ◼   ► purposely fall asleep. So just be-- I showed it to Karen, and Karen is big into sewing her own

01:54:24 ◼   ► clothes and looked at the outfits and the music and thought she was right there. So she's looking

01:54:32 ◼   ► forward to that. Yeah. Do we even know yet? Are they going to do a Netflix and show them all at

01:54:38 ◼   ► once or are they going to spit these out? Yeah, they're dropped all at once, which some people

01:54:45 ◼   ► said might have been a mistake, but you don't know. I mean, because I don't know. I guess the

01:54:52 ◼   ► idea that you could retool after people have seen a couple of episodes. But most of these

01:54:59 ◼   ► things are shot well enough in advance that it's not that easy to just go back. You know,

01:55:04 ◼   ► if you watch a season of television that's a 20 episode run, yes, the tail end of that

01:55:13 ◼   ► they haven't shot. But they probably shot the first half. And I think most of these

01:55:18 ◼   ► are like 10 episodes or something, right?

01:55:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I think 10 is sort of like the new standard season

01:55:22 ◼   ► So these are all you know, these would have been shot even if it was even if they were releasing every weekend between now and right

01:55:28 ◼   ► You know January or whatever. Yeah, I'm curious to see how the signup thing goes, you know, because I bought a new iPhone already

01:55:35 ◼   ► So I should be getting a free. Yeah, but I'm looking at that today. I was thinking I haven't bought any fun anything

01:55:40 ◼   ► I should maybe I should buy something

01:55:42 ◼   ► Yeah, you know what they want me to think

01:55:48 ◼   ► Don't be an idiot don't be an idiot and spend five dollars a month to see these shows

01:55:52 ◼   ► Spend a thousand the Apple TV is the cheapest thing. I just get another Apple TV

01:55:59 ◼   ► All right, that's all I had on my agenda for the show anything else

01:56:04 ◼   ► There's always more to talk about but yes, it's no there's no use talking more about Apple TV

01:56:10 ◼   ► Plus when five days from now, I just I just hope the president goes to more baseball games

01:56:16 ◼   ► All right, John, thank you very much people can thank you for having me people can enjoy you all over the internet

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